Science in Vedas

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The core foundation of Hindu belief is that Vedas contain source of all knowledge – physical or metaphysical. However in last 100 odd years, this belief has come under scrutiny due to the advances that modern science claims to make.

An entire group of Vedic ‘experts’ have stood up to prove that Vedas contain early man theories and are not compatible with modern discoveries. These include communist historians propelled by commentaries on Vedas by western indologists like Max Muller, Griffith et al and a new breed of intellectuals who initiate all research with assumption that ‘old means defective’. However in modern era of religious marketing, another group has come up which would go to any length to discover scientific errors in Vedas. This is the group which would want 800 million Hindus to lose faith in Vedas and their religion and embrace what they believe is the final message of God. Yes I am referring to Islamic and Christian evangelists.

While both these groups of evangelists are propelled by vision of making everyone in world a follower of their respective Holy Books, the situation is even more desperate for Quran zealots. This is because a bulk of Islamic evangelists believe that Jesus will come again towards end of the world after which they would reach Paradise forever. And an important sign of Jesus’ coming is conquest of India. I do not know the original source of this superstition, but this remains a primary motivator for most Islamic evangelists today.

Thus every now and then, we would see references to ‘Scientific Errors in Vedas’. The typical pattern would be english translation of some mantra followed by a Veda Mantra reference. For example
“Earth is flat” – Yajur Ved 32.8

Often the reference and English translation are both pointing to sources best known to authors of these works. But for layman, these create a lot of confusion and doubt over relevance of Vedas. While I would shy away from thrusting my personal faith on Vedas, I would like to provide some excerpts from Vedas that provide clues to deep scientific concepts hidden within them.

Unfortunately, due to thousand years of slavery, burning of our universities and libraries by barbarians and then demands for tackling issues of survival first, there remains a lot of work to be done to rediscover the Vedic sciences. However, sufficient clues exist to justify why this rediscovery would be worthwhile. In this article, I shall provide some brief snippets of such clues.

A point of note: Vedas not being dogmatic in nature and containing eternal truths, do not try to spoon-feed us. Thus Vedas would contain seeds for all forms of knowledge and would urge humans to explore further. Because in the Vedic framework, its our efforts that can provide us bliss.

You can refer to original mantras at http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org

MOTION OF EARTH

Rig Veda 10.22.14
“This earth is devoid of hands and legs, yet it moves ahead. All the objects over the earth also move with it. It moves around the sun.

In this mantra,
Kshaa = Earth (refer Nigantu 1.1)
Ahastaa = without hands
Apadee = without legs
Vardhat = moves ahead
Shushnam Pari = Around the sun
Pradakshinit = revolves

Rig Veda 10.149.1
“The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself holding their reins.”

In this mantra,
Savita = Sun
Yantraih = through reins
Prithiveem = Earth
Aramnaat = Ties
Dyaam Andahat = Other planets in sky as well
Atoorte = Unbreakable
Baddham = Holds
Ashwam Iv Adhukshat = Like horses

GRAVITATIONAL FORCE

Rig Veda 8.12.28
“O Indra! by putting forth your mighty rays, which possess the qualities of gravitation and attraction-illumination and motion – keep up the entire universe in order through the Power of your attraction.”

Rig Veda 1.6.5, Rig Veda 8.12.30
“O God, You have created this Sun. You possess infinite power. You are upholding the sun and other spheres and render them steadfast by your power of attraction.

Yajur Veda 33.43
“The sun moves in its own orbit in space taking along with itself the mortal bodies like earth through force of attraction.”

Rig Veda 1.35.9
“The sun moves in its own orbit but holding earth and other heavenly bodies in a manner that they do not collide with each other through force of attraction.

Rig Veda 1.164.13

“Sun moves in its orbit which itself is moving. Earth and other bodies move around sun due to force of attraction, because sun is heavier than them.

Atharva Veda 4.11.1
“The sun has held the earth and other planets”

LIGHT OF MOON

Rig Veda 1.84.15
“The moving moon always receives a ray of light from sun”

Rig Veda 10.85.9
“Moon decided to marry. Day and Night attended its wedding. And sun gifted his daughter “Sun ray” to Moon.”

ECLIPSE

Rig Veda 5.40.5
“O Sun! When you are blocked by the one whom you gifted your own light (moon), then earth gets scared by sudden darkness.”

“SCIENCE OF BUILDING SHIPS AND AIRPLANES”
Swami Dayanand has detailed Mantras regarding these in his Vedic commentary and Introduction to Vedas” (1876). The scientists of IISc concluded that the mechanism of airplane as suggested by Dayanand is feasible. The first manned plane was built 20 years after death of Swami Dayanand.

The verses are difficult to translate in English here, but readers are advised to review “Introduction to Vedas” by Swami Dayanand or interpretations of following mantras: Rig Veda 1.116.3, 1.116.4, 10.62.1, 1.116.5, 1.116.6, 1.34.2, 1.34.7, 1.48.8 etc.

SCIENCE OF TELEGRAPHY

Rig Veda 1.119.10
“With the help of bipolar forces (Asvins), you should employ telegraphic apparatus made of good conductor of electricity. It is necessary for efficient military operations but should be used with caution.”

I am also attaching a few pdfs of the scientific advancements of ancient India. These are developed by Indian Institute of Scientific Heritage

I hope this would be sufficient to at least drive the need for further exploration of our scientific heritage originating from Vedas.

We claim these are indian discoveries

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  1. Poker says

    Rig Veda 1.119.10
    “With the help of bipolar forces (Asvins), you should employ telegraphic apparatus made of good conductor of electricity. It is necessary for efficient military operations but should be used with caution.”

    I don't get it ! How can we talk about electricity 6000 years BCE ?

    • Kalpit says

      How many years does it take for science to evolve. If the earth gets damaged say in some years and then humans start rebuilding it. Wont humans need to build these knowled.

      The veda also says time is never ending.

      • हवाई जहाज का आविष्कार says

        ####हवाई जहाज का आविष्कार ####
        आज राइट बंधु को हवाई जहाज के आविष्कार के लिए श्रेय दिया जाता है क्योंकि उन्होंने 17 दिसम्बर 1903 हवाई जहाज उड़ाने का प्रदर्शन किया था। किन्तु बहुत कम लोगों को इस बात की जानकारी है कि उससे लगभग 8 वर्ष पहले सन् 1895 में संस्कृत के प्रकाण्ड पण्डित शिवकर बापूजी तलपदे ने “मारुतसखा” या “मारुतशक्त ” नामक विमान का सफलतापूर्व क निर्माण कर लिया था, जो कि पूर्णतः वैदिक तकनीकी पर आधारित था। पुणे केसरी नामक समाचारपत्र के अनुसार श्री तलपदे ने सन् 1895 में एक दिन (दुर्भाग्य से से सही दिनांक की जानकारी नहीं है) बंबई वर्तमान (मुंबई) के चौपाटी समुद्रतट में उपस्थित कई जिज्ञासु व्यक्तियों ( जिनमें अनेक भारतीय न्यायविद्/ राष्ट्रवादी सर्वसाधारण जन के साथ ही महादेव गोविंद रानाडे और बड़ौदा के महाराज सायाजी राव गायकवाड़ जैसे विशिष्टजन सम्मिलित थे ) के समक्ष अपने द्वारा निर्मित “चालकविहीन ” विमान “मारुतशक्त ि” के उड़ान का प्रदर्शन किया था। वहाँ उपस्थित समस्त जन यह देखकर आश्चर्यचकि त रह गए कि टेक ऑफ करने के बाद “मारुतशक्त ि” आकाश में लगभग 1500 फुट की ऊँचाई पर चक्कर लगाने लगा था। कुछ देर आकाश में चक्कर लगाने के के पश्चात् वह विमान धरती पर गिर पड़ा था। यहाँ पर यह बताना अनुचित नहीं होगा कि राइट बंधु ने जब पहली बार अपने हवाई जहाज को उड़ाया था तो वह आकाश में मात्र 120 फुट ऊँचाई तक ही जा पाया था जबकि श्री तलपदे का विमान 1500 फुट की ऊँचाई तक पहुँचा था। दुःख की बात तो यह है कि इस घटना के विषय में विश्व की समस्त प्रमुख वैज्ञानिको ं और वैज्ञानिक संस्थाओं/संगठनों पूरी पूरी जानकारी होने के बावजूद भी आधुनिक हवाई जहाज के प्रथमनिर्माण का श्रय राईट बंधुओं को दियाजाना बदस्तूर जारी है और हमारे देश की सरकार ने कभी भी इस विषय में आवश्यक संशोधन करने/ करवाने के लिए कहीं आवाज नहीं उठाई
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        • हवाई जहाज का आविष्कार says

          Conti……..
          (हम सदा सन्तोषी और आत्ममुग्ध लोग जो है!)। कहा तो यह भी जाता है कि संस्कृत के प्रकाण्ड पण्डित एवं वैज्ञानिक तलपदे जी की यहसफलता भारत के तत्कालीन ब्रिटिश शासकों को फूटी आँख भी नहीं सुहाई थी और उन्होंने बड़ोदा के महाराज श्री गायकवाड़, जो कि श्री तलपदे के प्रयोगों के लिए आर्थिक सहायता किया करते थे, पर दबाव डालकर श्री तलपदे केप्रयोगों को अवरोधित कर दिया था। महाराज गायकवाड़ की सहायता बन्द हो जाने पर अपने प्रयोगों को जारी रखने के लिए श्री तलपदे एक प्रकार से कर्ज में डूब गए। इसी बीच दुर्भाग्य से उनकी विदुषी पत्नी, जो कि उनके प्रयोगों में उनकी सहायक होने के साथही साथ उनकी प्रेरणा भी थीं, का देहावसान हो गया और अन्ततः सन् 1916या 1917 में श्री तलपदे का भी स्वर्गवास हो गया। बताया जाता है कि श्री तलपदे के स्वर्गवास हो जाने के बाद उनके उत्तराधिका रियों ने कर्ज सेमुक्ति प्राप्त करने के उद्देश्य से “मारुतशक्त ि” के अवशेष को उसके तकनीकसहित किसी विदेशी संस्थान को बेच दिया था। श्री तलपदे का जन्म सन् 1864 में हुआ था। बाल्यकाल से ही उन्हें संस्कृत ग्रंथों, विशेषतः महर्षि भरद्वाज रचित “वैमानिक शास्त्र” (Aeronauti cal Science) में अत्यन्त रुचि रही थी। वे संस्कृतके प्रकाण्ड पण्डित थे। पश्चिम के एकप्रख्यात भारतविद् स्टीफन नैप (Stephen-K napp) श्री तलपदे के प्रयोगों को अत्यन्त महत्वपूर्ण मानते हैं। एक अन्य विद्वान श्री रत्नाकर महाजन ने श्री तलपदे के प्रयोगों पर आधारित एक पुस्तिका भी लिखी हैं। श्री तलपदे का संस्कृत अध्ययन अत्यन्त ही विस्तृत था और उनके विमान सम्बन्धित प्रयोगों के आधार निम्न ग्रंथ थेः * महर्षि भरद्वाज रचित् वृहत् वैमानिक शास्त्र * आचार्य नारायण मुन रचित विमानचन्द् रिका * महर्षि शौनिक रचित विमान यन्त्र * महर्षि गर्ग मुनि रचित यन्त्र कल्प * आचार्य वाचस्पति रचित विमान बिन्दु * महर्षि ढुण्डिराज रचित विमान ज्ञानार्क प्रकाशिका स्वामी दयानंद द्वारा वेदों में विज्ञान की अवधारणा को साक्षात् रूप से दर्शन करवाने वाले श्री तलपडे पहले व्यक्ति थे .हमारे प्राचीन ग्रंथ ज्ञान के अथाह सागर हैं किन्तु वे ग्रंथ अब लुप्तप्राय -से हो गए हैं। यदि कुछ ग्रंथ कहीं उपलब्ध भी हैं तो उनका किसी प्रकार का उपयोग ही नहीं रह गया है क्योंकि हमारी दूषित शिक्षानीति हमें अपने स्वयं की भाषा एवं संस्कृति को हेय तथा पाश्चात्य भाषा एवं संस्कृति को श्रेष्ठ समझना ही सिखाती है।
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        • Sanjeev Singhal says

          आदरनीय अग्निवीर जी,
          सादर प्रणाम ,
          आपके द्वारा उपलब्ध जानकारियों और हमारी वैज्ञानिक हिन्दू संस्कृति का ऐसा उदाहरण पहले नहीं मिला. आपसे अनुरोध है की इन सभी जान्कारिओं को युवा वर्ग तक पहुँचाया जाये.
          हिन्दू एक वैज्ञानिक जीवन पध्यती है तथा विश्व की अनेक शाक्तिया इसे मिटाने मैं लगी है , इसके लिये स्वाम हिन्दू भी उत्तरदायी हैं. अतः उन्हें और ज्यादा जाग्रत करने की आवश्यकता है.
          आपका आभारी,
          संजीव सिंघल

          • says

            संजीव सिंघल जी,

            आप भी अग्निवीर को वेद प्रचार में मदद कर सकते है|

            में अग्निवीर वेबसाईट पर प्रकाशति गुजराती लेखों को लोकल समाचार पत्रमे छपवाता हूँ|

            इस तरह हर लेख घर घर तक जाता है|

            आप भी ऐसा कुछ कर सकते है|

            रोनक

        • says

          I know our culture was great but the thing is we can not now prove that these are the inventions of Vedas although it’s true until and unless we become a nation or culture with lots of new modern inventions based on these studies. A river which flows continuously is the living river else it’s dead so is the case with all the scriptures and Vedic knowledge it’s currently dead and we have to work hard very hard to revive it to life not just by talking about it past but also look forward to add new things and dimensions to it.

    • AD says

      “With the help of bipolar forces (Asvins), you should employ telegraphic apparatus made of good conductor of electricity. It is necessary for efficient military operations but should be used with caution.”

      1. “With the help of bipolar forces” i.e magnets (you can produce electricity)
      2. Where does it ask you to use electricity? it says the telegraphic device should be made of a good conductor of electricity

    • Sudarshan Sahoo says

      There are mentions of Electricity (Bidyut)) in the Mundaka Upanishad (2:2:10) in Atharva Veda and in Swetaswatatra Upanishad (6:14) in Yajurveda. The wordings are the same in both the verses- ” Na tatra suryo bhati na chandra tarakam nema bidyuto bhanti kutoayamagnih”. See the word ‘Bidyuto’ here. These are quite as old as the Rig Veda, versed not 6000 years ago, even might be 15,000 years ago , as written by Sir Max Muller,” What ever is the date of the hymns of the Hinduism, whether 1500 BC or 15,000 BCE, they have their own unique place and stand by themselves in the literature of the world.”

      The presumption in the historic time period by Sir Max Muller shows that he was not confirmed about the antiquity of the Vedas. He is the most prominent Westerner Indologist researching on the Vedas. Then who fixed it as 6000 years old ? Madame H.P.Blavatsky, the founder of ‘International Theosophy Society’ in New York in the year 1875 has written in her immortal volume, ‘The Secret Doctrine’ ( Essence of 1200 Religion sources) that the Vedic culture flourished in the Lemuria-Atlantis which went under the oceans 8 lakh 50 thousand years ago.

      PLease go through my article in English on this. Go to google and search, ‘ODISHA REVIEW-July 2013′ Read my article,’Truth, the Divine Wonder’.

      With regards and thanks,

      -Sudarshan Sahoo

  2. Sana says

    Hi,
    The first part of my question is:
    This is with reference to the "employ telegraphic apparatus made of good conductor of electricity" claim. What are the actual Sanskrit words which have been translated into these words which were coined only in the twentieth century?
    The second part of my question is:
    Is there any difference between scientific knowledge and fantasy? Please don't get offended. I give a small but well known example of ALI BABA 40 CHOR. In this Arab story, there is a fantasy of a door which opens to "vocal password" command ( Remember? KHUL JA … SIM SIM!! ). Can an Arab claim that they had such technology several centuries before the modern world? Shall we accept their claim? Where is the demarcation between fantasy and scientific knowledge according to you?
    (Please believe me, I find your site very logical and thus I am discussing with you. Else, I am fed up of hate sites and hate mongers.)
    Yours Loving Indian Sis

    • says

      Namaste Sister

      Answer 1: The word by word translation is as follows:
      Ashvina: Bipolar forces (Ashwin are considered a duo which exist together)
      Yuvam: You both
      Pedave: That causes rapid movement
      Spridham: for military and noble purpose
      Pritanaasu: destroying armies
      Chakrityam: that causes continuous movement
      Shwetam: with utmost speed
      Puravaram: for multiple means of attaining success
      dushtaram: Which cannot be escaped
      Charshaneesaham: which is robust
      Sharyaih: which can be stopped and started again and again
      Abhidyum: charged with electricity
      Indramiv: Powerful and fast
      Tarutaram: made of metal wire and to communicate
      Duvyasthah: develop

      Very literally interpreted, it means that continuous motion between poles would create electricity that can be transmitted through metallic wire. This should have a mechanism to stop and start so as to effectively communicate.

      This is not merely extrapolation of meanings of certain words. If you read Shukraneeti, the oldest available treatise on administration, it states that there should be such a system in place in a country that it takes not more than one day to know about places as far as 20000 miles within a day. That is approximately the circumference of earth.

      Ramayan 1.56.9 mentions Valmiki teaching Ram two kinds of use of electricity (shushka and aardra).

      Nirukta 7.23 refers to transmitting electric signals through sky.

      • says

        Answer 2:
        I agree that it becomes difficult to separate tall claims from scientific truths in absence of sufficient information. The differentiation should, however be done based on one or more of following:

        a. some evidence of mechanism of action, and not merely a miraculous example. For example, this mantra of telegraph actually hints on how movement of a conductor between poles can generate electricity and help develop telegraphic apparatus.

        b. reference to other literature to find semblance. For example most ancient texts describe airplane, powerful weapons etc.

        c. there should be no contradictions or evidently unscientific fact. For example if some text claims that earth is flat or sun moves around earth, it has to be taken as false.

        Being a student of science, I can tell that none of the principles of modern science that led to development of modern day gadgets are as miraculous as to be improbable to have been discovered in such a long history of human civilization and suddenly coming out within a span of a century or so.
        In fact this seems like a great anomaly considering that even evolutionists would refuse to admit that human intelligence changed so much so suddenly!

        To me, there is nothing new that has been discovered in last century or so. At best they have been rediscovered due to lack of transfer of knowledge due to a variety of reason causing breakdown of this transfer.

        The only significant difference is that earlier, such principles were not made publicly available for fear of misuse. However in recent times, they got into public domain for commercial exploitation. And we all are facing the adverse effects of the same.

        In earlier times, knowledge was privy only of the deserving. That is why technologies for commercial and mass-scale production were never developed. Hence we see more of these toys in name of science today.

        But yes, the fundamental questions remain as unanswered as they were before this process of toy-production began in name of science.

        In earlier times, this world was believed to be a temporary abode to put efforts and reach next level. So only as much technological advancement was made as was necessary for the ultimate goal. Now, because we forgot those primary lessons, this world as lived as a first and last chance to exploit and enjoy. So we got into race of producing lots of toys to keep ourselves busy in this temporary stop.

        We are feeling the pinch of this race. And its time to get back to the source – the Vedas and take a fresh guard.

        Sorry for this digression, but vedas do provide sufficient clues to motivate us to explore the scientific truths in them.

        • Barry says

          Namaste Agniveer,
          Can you please refute Naik’s claims about flat-earth theory being propagated by VEDAS?

          And can you give us any VEDIC VERSE That says earth is *spherical* in shape?

          or can you locate “madhye samantandasya bhugolo vyomni tisthati{12th ch-32 sloka}” in vedas?? Because I couldn’t!

          • Rajanikant says

            Geography in Sanskrit is called as Bho-gol. It literally means that earth is round.

      • Ullas says

        I am really interested in ur post! i want to know the true meaning of vedas,which i think is the knowledge of nature and universe
        ….can u suggest me any book which helps me in understanding tat …. waiting for ur reply

          • Arun says

            All the translations of the Vedas there are from the late 1800s to early 1900s by Europeans from colonial powers. I would think that current translations by Indian Hindus knowledgeable in Sanksrit would be more credible.

    • Sooraj says

      The ali baba question, there were 2 guards inside the cave who only opened the door after someone told the password, thats how it is. When the story evolved, they added some fantasy to it.

    • Vaibhav Gupte says

      You cannot compare the ‘Khul Ja Sim Sim’ type of fantasy Ali Baba and Chalis Chor with the ancient scientific texts like The Vedas, which have educated the Man Kind through Millions of Years altogether. It is the saddest part of the story that today we have lost all touch and knowledge with these Ancient Scientific literature of our country. We have neglected and forgotten this eternal gift of knowledge and today are going after the Western Science, which is just re-discovering the knowledge which we have already gifted through the Vedas. Cow-Dung purifies everything – It is said in the Vedas. (Today Modern Science says – Cow Dung has the ability to kill germs and bacterias). There are references to the Solar System in the Vedas. (Today in Modern Science have proved this to be true). There are references to flying objects in Vedas and certain guidelines on how to make them.(In modern era, we see these planes being constructed). In Vedas, there is telepathy, sound effecfts – All these technologies are approved by Modern Science today. There is much more. Just study the Vedas before making any further comments.

      • surag says

        thats true vaibhav gupta ji,
        there are various evidences and various experiments which enlightens the real science of vedas, veidic pujas and veidic texts,
        even before the introduction of pole star to the world the it was already discovered earlier.

    • Sanjeev Singhal says

      Dear Sana,
      If you go to your own believe, its a truth otherwise its fake.For an example : Who tells you that the person you called father is really your father, its only the believe on your mother who tells you, or not.

      Yes of course there is my believe if anything happens in the past, it has that technology at that moment. Also in Bharat, there was so many technics founded by our Rishies (scientists) , which was lost due to in-capabilities of the powers to hold them.

  3. Sana says

    Thank you brother for caring to reply. Unfortunately I have seen it just now, I will go through it in detail and get back to you in couple of days' time. Hope it's alright. May God bless you. aameen.

    Yours Loving Indian Sister
    Sana

    • says

      Aameen! Your sisterly affection really touched me. In Vedic culture, this brother-sister relation is among the most pious and glorious. Your emphasis on Indianness was even more touching. May we live and interact like brothers and sisters with all sons and daughters of Motherland! Afterall we are one family!

  4. Sana says

    Assalamu Alaikum dear brother,
    Thank you so much brother for your affectionate response. I do know very well, the importance of this sacred relationship of brother and sister. That's precisely why I chose to call you my brother. I am proud I am your sister.
    This sisterly affection and respect comes to you without any price tag. This shall never obstruct you in the matters which you stand for. I shall never say "be soft to this or him because I am your sister". Never, insha Allah.
    I will surely send a Rakhi to you this year. Hope it will find space on your wrist :-)
    Yours Loving Indian Sis
    Sana

    • says

      I shall indeed be honored to have your rakhi. And the sisterly affection does have one price tag – a commitment and promise to protect my sister and ensure her well-being. And I would be more than happy to pay this price.
      Your honored brother!
      Agniveer

  5. Sana says

    I fully agree with these standards suggested by you:

    "I agree that it becomes difficult to separate tall claims from scientific truths in absence of sufficient information. The differentiation should, however be done based on one or more of following:
    a. some evidence of mechanism of action, and not merely a miraculous example.
    b. reference to other literature to find semblance.
    c. there should be no contradictions or evidently unscientific fact."

    Actually I am carrying out a small study about the profile of 'Ashwini" that's the cause behind delay. I may discuss about it after about 2 days.
    May Allah bless India and all innocent Indians. Aameen.

    • MAHA VISHNU says

      @SANA 2011 ISLAM TERRORIST BINLADEN KILLED 2012 ISLAM TERRORIST AJMAL KASAB HANGED 2013 MUAHAMAD AFAZL HANGED

    • Arya says

      @sana
      Namaste sister,
      We would like to have your comments on all the articles on this site and specially on two articles-"Islam and women rights" and "I am a muslim wife". Most of our muslim friends recommend us for hell but do not give replies to our questions. Sister, you look much more sensible than those.

  6. Rashmi says

    Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882) an author, essayist, lecturer, philosopher, Unitarian minister who lectured on theology at Harvard University. Emerson was born at Boston in 1803 into a distinguished family of New England Unitarian ministers. His was the eighth generation to enter the ministry in a dynasty that reached back to the earliest days of Puritan America. Despite the death of his father when Emerson was only eleven, he was able to be educated at Boston Latin School and then Harvard, from which he graduated in 1821. After several years of reluctant school teaching, he returned to the Harvard Divinity School, entering the Unitarian ministry during a period of robust ecclesiastic debate Following the death of his first wife, Ellen, his private religious doubts led him to announce his resignation to his congregation, claiming he was unable to preach a doctrine he no longer believed.

    He was becoming increasingly disillusioned with aspects of Christian teaching that just did not make sense to his active and inquiring intelligence. He was influenced by Indian Scriptures the most. His initial rebellion against Christianity in its various forms prompted him to find a ready refuge in the idealism of Hinduism. In his Journal, Emerson paid homage to Vedic thought:

    " It is sublime as night and a breathless ocean. It contains every religious sentiment, all the grand ethics which visit in turn each noble poetic mind….It is of no use to put away the book; if I trust myself in the woods or in a boat upon the pond. Nature makes a Brahmin of me presently: eternal compensation, unfathomable power, unbroken silence….This is her creed. peace, she saith to me, and purity and absolute abandonment – these panaceas expiate all sin and bring you to the beatitude of the Eight Gods."

    Mark Twain (1835-1910) also known as Samuel Clemens, one of the most widely loved and celebrated American writers since his first books were released in the late 1860s. Many of his writings have reached the pinnacles of American and world literature, including the timeless Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court and Following the Equator. Besides these easily recognizable classics, Twain wrote fascinating Travelogue detailing his experiences in Asia. "Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of human speech, grandmother of legend, great grandmother of tradition. The land that all men desire to see and having seen once even by a glimpse, would not give that glimpse for the shows of the rest of the globe combined."

    Dr. Arnold Joseph Toynbee (1889-1975) the great British historian. His massive research was published in 12 volumes between 1934 and 1961 as `A Study of History'. Author of several books, including Christianity: Among the Religions of the World and One World and India. Toynbee was a major interpreter of human civilization in the 20th century.

    "It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending if it is not to end in self-destruction of the human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in human history , the only way of salvation is the ancient Hindu way. Here we have the attitude and spirit that can make it possible for the human race to grow together in to a single family."

    Annie Besant, proponent of the philosophy of Theosophy, gave many a lecture in which she aired her views that India was a victim of the mischief wrought by Christian missionaries.

    A friend of Swami Vivekananda, Mrs. Besant was trying to lead Indians back to their own gods and arouse their sense of self-respect and pride in the greatness of their religions.

    This is what she said on India and Hinduism :

    "After a study of some forty years and more of the great religions of the world, I find none so perfect , none so scientific, none so philosophical and none so spiritual that the great religion known by the name of Hinduism. Make no mistake, without Hinduism, India has no future. Hinduism is the soil in to which India's roots are stuck and torn out of that she will inevitably wither as a tree torn out from its place. And if Hindus do not maintain Hinduism who shall save it? If India's own children do not cling to her faith who shall guard it. India alone can save India and India and Hinduism are one. "

    I have put all quotes from hindu wisdom Ms sushma londhe has laboriously collected and beautifully presented authentic information of renowned western scholars , which is a fitting tribute to yogis our sages and our philosophers of vedas all rishis

  7. Rashmi says

    Few more quotes for widening the narrow minds brain dead Indians:
    Claude Arpi ( ? ) French dentist-turned- Tibetologist, author of Fate of Tibet: When Big Insects Eat Small Insects has written:

    "Though I am still a French man, I adopted this country as my own long ago However, today, I am sad. When I left France for India, I came with a dream: I was going to the land of the Vedas, of the Buddha, a continent with an eternal religion. I thought everyone in this country was turned "inwards", seeking a higher light; I believed India would soon be able to guide the world towards a more meaningful tomorrow. Why I am sad now? I can't help feeling a terrible divide between this dream and today's reality (at least the one depicted in the English media).

    I still believe in "India of the ages", but I cannot grasp why Indians themselves still refuse to acknowledge the greatness of their culture.

    Is it not disheartening that historians base their judgment on press reports and not on their own scholarship? Then why do they spend three days discussing text-books when there are so many more important subjects related to history to be discussed?

    What about the neglected discoveries of Poompuhar or the new sites in the Gulf of Cambay?

    It is estimated that 12 million Americans are today practicing yoga and that 450 yoga centers are blossoming in the US. The same tidal wave is submerging Europe. In France alone, more than one million people are practicing Buddhist meditation.

    What is sad and shocking is that these historians, like many intellectuals in India, are not at all concerned by what has always made India great, they prefer to denigrate India. "

    (source: India of old-new dreams – by Claude Arpi – dailypioneer.com).

    257. Jean Michel Varenne ( ? ) the distinguished French Orientalist wrote in 1976:

    “The only remaining testimony to the prestigious civilization of ancient Egypt lies buried in archaeological remains; which meant that the inhabitants of the Nile valley, converted to Islam thirteen centuries ago, had to wait for Champollion to decipher the hieroglyphics before they could know anything of the beliefs of their distant ancestors. Yet during all this time Hindu families continued, and still continue today, to venerate the selfsame Vishnu who is celebrated in the archaic hymns of the Rig Veda…”

    “It would be impossible to overemphasize this exceptional durability of a civilization that is extremely difficult to conceive of as mortal. And certainly the Hindus themselves would be the last to subscribe to the notion that all cultures have a limited life-span. That is the product of Western minds trained at an early age to write essays on “The Causes of the fall of the Roman Empire,” of a Christian or a Moslem faith proud of the fact that its first believers once repudiated pagan polytheism, and therefore prone to assume that all civilizations are perishable the same way as human beings themselves. To the traditional minded Hindu, on the other hand, such revolutions are inconceivable, for him, the religion he professes has no beginning and no end; it had no founder, and it lies in no one’s power to attack or breach it. It is the eternal norm (in Sanskrit, sanatana dharma), the universal law, the supreme religion. Being absolute, it cannot be modified in any way and remains identical to itself down through the ages.”

    Traditional India knows that nothing in the universe is chance, that everything is necessity. In the infinite multiplicity of the real it reads a reference to unity, and perceives the rule of a sovereign order even where complexity seems in danger of lapsing chaos and incoherence. The All, in itself and in each of its parts, is governed by an immutable, unbreakable law that supports the world while at the same time transcending it absolutely."

    • Arun says

      It would be nice I think if Agniveer would collect all the good things people from around the world have said about Hinduism that commentors such as yourself have put up. It could be a section in the site that could continuously grow.

  8. Nilay says

    Hi Agniveer! Bro i went through the Yajurveda Adhyay 32 Mantra 7,8,9,10.. u said in the description that many western cynics of vedas have translated the verse no. 8 as Earth is Flat.. but thats rubbish!!!!!… the verse 32.8 actually tells you totally different thing.. even if not translated in english, HIndi, gujarati, arabic or any damn language.. u can see clearly what it suggests.. verse 32.8 means " All the Knowledgeable persons who have known God through their "Buddhi" (spiritual Intelligence), the whole world, sky everything finds support in him.. n during dissolution everything enters him n are manifested in varied forms during creation, with god pervading each n everything. only he is god n no one else"
    Now, where do you find "Earth is Flat" in this verse?????????????… absolute non sense!!!!!! Just because certain people want to soil vedas they can do it!!!!… There are many words used in Vedas which have more than 50 meanings.. and which meaning is intended in the given verse depends on the verses preceding n following that particular verse and of course on your perception!!.. Those who read Vedas with "CLEAR UNBIASED MIND " know in the heart of their heart that there is nothing as Authentic than Vedas n nothing worth reading after you have read Vedas!!.. Its the ULTIMATE TRUTH

    • says

      We completely agree with you! That is the problem with Western indologists. At times they would manipulate the most obvious words to mean whatever they want to propagate. The foundation of this site is that Vedas are Ultimate Truth. In forthcoming articles we shall expose such myths propagated by Western indologists in greater detail.

      Dhanyavad for your patronage

      Angira

  9. Merve says

    Hello,

    What do you think about scientific errors in Hindu scriptures? Here is just two important examples from the upanishads.

    1)

    In Prasna upanishad it is said:

    4:2 "O Gargya, just as all the rays of the setting sun become unified in this orb of light, and they disperse from the sun as it rises up again similarly all that becomes unified in the mind" (Prasna upanishad 4:2)

    • Vik says

      @Merve

      brother, only Vedas are the revealed scriptures not Upanishads or Puranas so I challenge u to show me scientific errors in those?

      • Merve says

        Wow You claim Upanishads are not revealed? How come they are "sruti" then? And by reading just 4 Veda Samhitas, what do you understand about Hinduism? Simply nothing!

        • says

          Namaste

          Upanishads are not Shruti. Only veda Samhita are revealed and Shruti.

          By reading Vedas, one would understand nothing about anything, forget about Hinduism. Because understanding Vedas demand much more than verbatim reading, unlike a Bible or Quran or books of Communism. Vedas have to be meditated upon and that is possible only after significant homework in daily living.

          Also, Hinduism is a much later dated word. By reading Vedas, you would not understand anything about many modern cults of Hinduism except that they are against principles of Vedas.

          Further to understand the Vedas, you will need to study other ancillary texts like Brahmans, Upanishads, Manu Smiriti, 6 darshans, 6 upavedas, 6 Vedangas in a holistic manner. These texts are not as authentic as Vedas and hence you would need to smartly cross-verify them to reject whatever in untruth. Needless to say, you would need to have disposition of a yogi to make sense out of it.

          For a beginning level study, we recommend Satyarth Prakash (Light of Truth) and Rigvedadibhashyabhumika (Introduction to Vedas) to be read at least once – cover to cover. That would dispel a lot of misunderstandings. You can read them online in English athttp://www.vjsingh.info/books.html but we recommend a hard copy, and preferably in Hindi, that can be obtained fromhttp://www.vedicbooks.com

          Please let us know if we can assist you in this!

          Dhanyavad
          Vayu
          Agniveer Editorial Board

          • Merve says

            Sir, I read dozens of books on Vedic religions, Hinduism and Vedas, they are written Hindus, Indian Scholars, gurus and indologists.etc They ALL say that Upanishads are shruti, they are part of Vedas.

            I'm so confused why you say "upanishads are not shruti" Can you show me some evidence that upanishads are not shruti? (Who says that) since Upanishads themselves claim They are revelations and They are shruti.

            And can you show me JUST ONE SINGLE VERSE from 4 Veda Samhitas which speaks about reincarnation or karma?

            Thanks.

          • says

            Namaste

            Kindly cite evidence from scriptures regarding Upanishads being Vedas. Rest of the evidences demanded by you are available at the link I earlier gave.

            Dhanyavad
            Vayu

          • Vinay Arya says

            Dear Agniveerji
            Are there six upavedas?I can see the names of only four upavedas.Please clear me on this.

        • krishnarao says

          For all those wondering where in the Vedas it talks about Karma based reincarnation. Please see the quote that is below:

          “O soul, God grants for thy bodies in different births, according to thy DEEDS a happy or unhappy place on this earth. May radiant beams prove helpful to thee!” (Chapter 35, verse 2) Translated by Devi Chand M.A.

          - This is very clear that the Veda is talking about Karma. The fact that the word DEEDS is a very clear indicator of it. And it also talks about different births, which is also clear about reincarnation. The whole verse is clearly about rebirth based on ones deeds.

      • says

        Namaste

        Brahmans and Aranyaks explain Vedas and are not Vedas themselves. Simple way to test this is that there are traditions of Paatha Vidhi for Vedas and not Brahmans and Aranyaks. Further only Vedas have maatra signs over them. Thirdly Vedas do not have any history as in these other texts. All scholars know that when Vedas are said, it implies Veda Samhitas. However when comprehensive study of Vedas is to be conveyed, these other texts are included because of their usefulness in understanding the Vedas.

        Dhanyavad
        Vayu

  10. says

    The concerned shloka describes function of mind. It uses an analogy of how the sun appears during sunset and sunrise. The rishi is not explaining mechanism of sunrise and sunset here, but trying to make one understand in simplified manner, how the mind functions. Indeed, just as during sunset we see that rays of sun progressively get weaker and are not able to enlighten the world around, but get limited to sun gradually, similarly as the mind sets down, all the activities of our organs also set down and are not able to function. They become one with the mind. This is a beautiful way to explain how mind is the source and organs (sensory and action) act as per drive of mind.

    Please note that the subject of Upanishads is not physical sciences(Apara Vidya), but metaphysical sciences (Para Vidya). Just as it would be foolish to try to discover theories of astronomy in books of medicine, similarly, taking a philosophical analogy of Upanishads to deduce that Rishis did not know science, would be too naive.

    If indeed you need to show ignorance of Rishis in matters of Physical sciences, kindly provide reference from Vedas – that contain source of all Para and Apara Vidya.

    Dhanyavad

    Vayu
    Agniveer Editorial Board

  11. says

    Namaste

    1. Please note that Upanishads are not final authority, especially in matters of Physical sciences. They are human-created texts to understand some philosophical aspects of Vedas. But they are not equal to Vedas in terms of authenticity.

    2. This shloka describes not the physical air, but the sookshma bhoot (elemental matter) Vayu. As per Vedic darshan, nature has 5 variants – Agni, Jal, Vayu, Akash, Prithvi (Fire, Water, Air, Earth). These are not to be confused with physical entities that we commonly know by these names. Also, in order of creation, from Akash, first Vayu is created, then from Vayu, Jal is created, from Jal, Agni is created and finally Earth is created. So ultimately Fire and Prithvi and Jal elements also merge into Vayu during dissolution. So even the sun and moon, when dissolved will become Vayu tattva as it has been in previous creation cycle.

    Dhanyavad
    Vayu
    Agniveer Editorial Board

    • Merve says

      Upanishads are called Shruti, and they are said to be "divine revelations" They are called" Vedanta" which means "end of vedas" . They are portions of Vedas.

      And Veda Samhitas (Which you call "Vedas") do not contain any philosophy (except one or two creation hymns) Bulk of Veda Samhitas are just prayers to various Gods they are primitive texts.

      If you don't believe me, you can read it for yourself:
      http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/index.htm

      And the "scientific" verses you quoted above do not exists in Veda samhitas please check:
      http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/index.htm

      • says

        Namaste

        1. Vedanta does not refer to Upanishads but to Brahma Sutras which are part of 6 Darshans. Vedanta are Vedanta because they are studied after Vedas have been understood.

        2. The links you are giving are works of ignorant western indologists like Max Muller or Wilson. Just as you do not take evidence of a street-beggar when designing economic policy, it is foolish to give reference to works of these semi-literate people in matters of Vedas. Kindly refer the texts we suggested athttp://www.vjsingh.info/books.html

        Dhanyavad
        Vayu

        • Merve says

          Max Muller's translation of Upanishads are full of wisdom. However, Veda samhitas (again, his translations) are so primitive do not contain any wisdom or any doctrine. (Except 1-2 creation Hymns) It's like 10 000 pages long and just 1 or 2 pages of 10 000 pages contain some teaching, some wisdom and philosophy. (these are creation hymns).

          If Max Muller wants to translate Veda samhitas badly so people cannot see wisdom in them, so WHY He translated upanishads so full of wisdom?

          This proves that Vedas are primitive texts, however Upanishads are full of wisdom.

          • says

            Namaste

            1. Kindly provide us with your qualifications regarding Vedas and Sanskrit so that we can assess if your statements are to be taken further seriously. You seem to be convinced about Vedas being crap, without knowing what they are or how to study them. Your sole basis seems to be Max Muller's verdict. And we know how intelligent was he.

            2. Upanishads are in fairly simple Sanskrit closer to our period. To translate Vedas is a different game altogether.

            Kindly provide your qualifications, so that we can arrange a Vedic scholar who can analyze each mantra word by word to see what it means and what max Muller wants it to mean. But for that, you would need to have some basic study of language.

            Dhanyavad
            Vayu

      • saroj says

        merve,
        you have actually misinterpreted the vedas. ………………….and so you look for such errored transs.
        also, the western scientists, great men, etc. appreciated the vedas.
        actually, they understood the real meaning of the vedas and fond it as superior to any thinking ..
        if it(vedas) had any sort of “errors”, they must have not actually appreciated them,
        but they found the vedas as a blessing to science, intelligence, wisdom,knowladge, scientists and scholars etc. visit this link:

        Alfred North Whitehead (British mathematician, logician and philosopher), who stated that: “Vedanta is the most impressive metaphysics the human mind has conceived.”

        The well-known early American writer Ralph Waldo Emerson, read the Vedas daily. Emerson wrote: “I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavat-Gita”
                Henry David Thoreau said: “In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita… in comparison with which… our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial.”
        Voltaire, (the famous French writer and philosopher) stated that “Pythagoras went to the Ganges to learn geometry.” Abraham Seidenberg, author of the authoritative “History of Mathematics,” credits the Sulba Sutras as inspiring all mathematics of the ancient world from Babylonia to Egypt to Greece.

        Vedas paint the picture of scientific religion, where religion and science clap together.  Vedas are based on religion, science and philosophy.”
        - Brown
        Hinduism is the only religion in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology. The Hindu literature is work of a GENIUS -Dr. Steinn Sigurdsson, Pennsylvania State University

        It looks like that the writers of Vedas and Puranas came from the future to deliver knowledge. The works of the Ancient Arya Sages is mind blowing. There is no doubt that Puranas and Vedas are word of God. -Scott Sandford, Space Scientist, NASA

        “How could Hindus (Aryas) have possibly known all this 6,000 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment which did not exist at that time? Such concepts were found only recently. “ -Dr. Kevin Hurley of the University of California at Berkeley

        Prof. N. Hugen used to be a great critic of the Indian Mythology. However, after investigating more into the concepts of Super Gravity and Anti Gravity, he had also accepted that these together with the hypothesis of the Black Holes could be better understood in light of the insights of Vedic Philosophy.

        “Finally we came to conclusion that Universe is shaped like a egg but this information was already present in Hindu Literature.” (Alan Kogut, NASA)

        “This is amazing to find the facts proven only in 20th century
        already present in Hindu Holy Books”.
        (D. Gubbins, University of Leeds, Department of Earth Sciences, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK)

        Erwin Schroedinger (1887-1961), Austrian theoretical physicist, best known for his discovery of wave mechanics, which won him the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1933, wished to see: “Some blood transfusion from the East to the West” to save Western science from spiritual anemia.” ”In all the world,” writes Schroedinger in his book, My View of the World (chapter iv), “there is no kind of framework within which we can find consciousness in the plural; this is simply something we construct because of the temporal plurality of individuals, but it is a false construction….The only solution to this conflict insofar as any is available to us at all lies in the ancient wisdom of the Upanishad.”

        Religious faith in the case of the Hindus has never been allowed to run counter to scientific laws, moreover the former is never made a condition for the knowledge they teach, but there are always scrupulously careful to take into consideration the possibility that by reason both the agnostic and atheist may attain truth in their own way. Such tolerance may be surprising to religious believers in the West, but it is an integral part of Vedantic belief. - Romain Rolland
        Standing outside of Cern, which houses the large Hadron collider in Geneva is a statue of the Hindu God Shiva. Shiva is the destroyer or transformer of the world, following Brahma the creator and Vishnu the preserver. Shiva’s dance is the cosmic cycle of creation and destruction, and even describes the way that particles arise and transform; a perfect analogy for what Cern is trying to accomplish— to unlock the secrets of the Universe or as a person of faith might put it, to know the mind of God, the Universe or Brahman.

        Sage Kanad (circa 600 BCE) is recognized as the founder of atomic theory, and classified all the objects of creation into nine elements (earth, water, light or fire, wind, ether, time, space, mind and soul). He stated that every object in creation is made of atoms that in turn connect with each other to form molecules nearly 2,500 years before John Dalton. Further, Kanad described the dimension and motion of atoms, and the chemical reaction with one another.
        The eminent historian, T.N. Colebrook said, “Compared to scientists of Europe, Kanad and other Indian scientists were the global masters in this field.”

        Dr. Carl Sagan, (1934-1996) famous astrophysicist, in his book, Cosmos, says: “The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology.“

        Describing the Nataraja, Lord Shiva in the form of cosmic dancer, he says: “These profound and lovely images are, I like to imagine, a kind of premonition of modern astronomical ideas.” Sagan continues, “A millennium before Europeans were willing to divest themselves of the Biblical idea that the world was a few thousand years old, the Mayans were thinking of millions and the Hindus billions.” In the television series “Cosmos”, he acknowledges that of all the world’s philosophies and religions those originating in India are remarkably consistent with contemporary scenarios of space, time and existence.

        “Amid all the beliefs of Europe, and of Asia, that of the Indian Brahmins seems to me infinitely the most alluring. And the reason why I love the Brahmin more than the other schools of Asiatic thought is because it seems to me to contain them all. Greater than all European philosophies, it is even capable of adjusting itself to the vast hypotheses of modern science. Our Christian religions have tried in vain, when there were no other choice open to them, to adapt themselves to the progress of science. But after having allowed myself to be swept away by the powerful rhythm of Brahmin thought, along the curve or life, with its movement of alternating ascent and return, I come back to my own century, and while finding therein the immense projections of a new cosmogony, offspring of the genius of Einstein, or deriving freely from the discoveries, I yet do not feel that I enter a strange land. I yet can hear resounding still the cosmic symphony of all those planets which forever succeed each other, are extinguished and once more illumined, with their living souls, their humanities, their gods – according to the laws of the eternal To Become, the Brahmin Samsara – I hear Siva dancing, dancing in the heart of the world, in my own heart.” – Romain Rolland

        more shall be shown to you
        this proves THERE ARE NO ERRORS IN THE VEDAS

  12. says

    Namaste

    Your statement on Samhitas is based on what foolish indologists having no idea of Vedas or Vedic Sanskrit have written, because they could do so since India was a slave of Britain. It is called – Jiski Laathi, uski Bhains justice. In other words, a judge said that buffalo belongs to him who has a weapon in his hand!

    Please refer the link given by us to dispel such notions.http://www.vjsingh.info/books.html

    Furthermore, Vedas are prayers to one and only one God.

    Many small children get bored when they have to study books without stories and illustrations. They enjoy only comics. That does not mean that great authors of the world were idiots or they were boring people. It simply implies that these children need to rise above comics and develop their mental faculties further to be able to enjoy such refinements.

    Dhanyavad
    Vayu

  13. Merve says

    1) Well I can find 100 plus Hindu web sites and Hindu scholars or encyclopedias for you who says Upanishads are divine revelations, they are Vedanta. Here is just one example:

    "The Upanishads have always been regarded in India as the crown of the Veda and as the end of the Veda as implied by the term vedānta"
    http://www.vedah.com/org2/literature/upanishads/i

    Do you want me to find more?

    2) Sir, do you believe reincarnation and karma?

    If yes, that's cool.

    CAN YOU JUST SHOW ME SINGLE VERSE about karma or reincarnation in Veda Samhitas?

    thanks.

    • says

      Namaste

      1. Instead of giving evidence of 100 plus Hindu sites, please provide reference from any authentic scripture. Kindly state which book, which verse states that Upanishads are part of Vedas (except Ishopanishad which is adaptation of 40th chapter of Yajurveda)

      2. Kindly refer the books I suggested. You will get several mantras regarding reincarnation and Karma from Veda Samhita.

      Dhanyavad
      Vayu

  14. Merve says

    …But you say Upanishads are not revealed or they are not shruti, so the most important thing in life like Moksha, reincarnation and karma are not found in "revealed" scriptures(veda samhitas), if upanishads are not Shruti then all of the most important teachings like reincarnation, karma and moksha and all of the beautifull mysticism about life, all of the wisdom of the Vedic Dharma are just personal opinions of upanishadic philosophers. Max muller is a Sanskrit professor so your "beggar" example doesn't apply. He translates what he reads in Sanskrit. He translated all of the veda samhitas ( Four vedas) but they are so primitive, do not contain any teaching and wisdom. It's you that push the primitive texts so hard to mean something meaningful or good. Max Muller also translated upanishads, they contain maybe the most beautiful philosophies in the world.

    What I mean is if Max Muller intended to translate Veda Samhitas this primitive way, why did he translate Upanishads so nicely that contains full of wisdom? Western philosophers also liked upanishads, Schopenhauer said about upanishads: "It has been the solace of my life, it will be the solace of my death"

    • says

      1. We did not say that Upanishads are bad. We simply said that Vedas are divine and much above Upanishads. Vedas are from Ishwar. To understand it, mere knowledge of contemporary sanskrit does not suffice because vedic sanskrit is different from sanskrit of Upanishad. Even Upanishads claim vedas to be supreme. And Max Muller was indeed a Bible monger. He cannot be taken seriously.

      Please refer the links and learn yourself. Do not tell anyone that Max Muller was a bigger scholar than Dayanand. That would be considered a joke.

      Upanishads are from Vedas, so they are also great. But your intention seems less great. because you started with condemning Upanishads. Now when we brought focus on vedas, you have suddenly started loving them and are condemning Vedas instead. In Islam this is called Taqiah. This is called Pakhand in Sanskrit and hypocrisy in English.

      Because of this, the moderators have decided to disapprove some of your posts which repeat the same thing but provide no intelligent fact or evidence.

      Finally, for general readers, western scholars could not help praise the glory of Upanishads because they are amazing. But had they been able to study vedas, they would have changed the directions of their lives! In subsequent posts we shallbe studying Vedas in detail.

      Dhanyavad
      Vayu

  15. Nilay says

    Pranam Agniveer!!
    Brother you are right!.. upanishads are great.. but VEDAS ARE ULTIMATE!. they are the "ADI" and "ANANT".. Upanishads are simplified explanations of Vedas… they are explained in forms of stories and Conversations in subtle metaphoric form for easy understanding… The form of sanskrit used in upanishads is the Colloquial one.. while the sanskrit used in Vedas is the Older form of it..
    And as far as the scientific and astronomical knowledge of the Rishis is concerned.. its idiotic.. infact insane to be cynical with them.. Their Astronomical View of the Universe was Geocentric.. and it was their VIEW that was Geocentric.. this doesnt mean they were not aware that Sun is the centre of the solar system.. Agniveer has given references of the verses from the vedas itself that suggests this thing…Rishis' geocentric view point was only used for Calculations.. and guage the effects of various Constellations, Planets and their Gravity on Human beings.. especially the MIND.. Infact their View simply HAD to be geocentric as they were concerned with the cosmic effect on the Human minds…
    Upanishads say .."Whatever is in the Body (Pind) is in the universe (Brahmand) and whatever is in the Universe (Brahmand) is in the Body (PInd)."… hence the planets, Stars, Constellational arrangements are bound to have an effect on human body and mind.. In San Fransisco.. the Police girds up for more criminal encounters than normal during the Full Moon Day.. as the Moon's Gravitational pull has direct effect on the Human mind especially in making "Decisions"…which leads to more crime during the Full Moon Day.. . the Upanishas also say that the moon has a direct effect on the "Mann"… and today the scientists say the same thing!!!… the body is made up of all the elements.. calcium, iron, magnesium, sodium, silicon, … all these elements are formed during the supernova explosion of a dying star.. as billions of degrees of temperature is required for the nuclear fusion.. thats why the scientists say "our body is nothing but just Star Dust".. ."We are all Cosmic beings".. all these modern statements conforms with the Upanishad!!!.. which stated "Whatever is in the Body (Pind) is in the universe (Brahmand) and whatever is in the Universe (Brahmand) is in the Body (PInd).".. I am doctor myself and i have put to the ultimate test, the vedas and the upanishads, and have not found anything even remotely as logically satisfying as the vedas, upanishads.
    And the so called "Mistakes in the Hindu Scriptures" is nothing but misperception of a stubborn mind.. if one doesnt wanna learn the Ultimate truth.. fine.. he/she is free to leave n follow Bibles n Qurans etc..

    • says

      Namaste,

      Thanks for a brilliant piece of writing! Its really motivating to hear such views from someone who has studied both modern science and vedic science as exhibited in Upanishads. We cannot claim that we know everything about vedic sciences and hence we know it is best. But from whatever we know, we can be assured that the treasure-house has a capacity to keep amazing our minds for millenniums. The problem comes when people start trying to understand these texts with same mindset that is udes to study a Quran or Bible. A prisoner forced to live years in pit darkness, when exposed to sunlight finds it bit too torturous. They want to explore the sunny world without going through the pain of opening their eyes! So they keep bumping here and there, and then complain that sun causes trouble!

      Dhanyavad
      Agni

    • says

      i m a layman in the field of ved so kindly accept my naive questions.
      well first of all the article written by agniveer is simply brilliant. congratulations! and of course the discussions are far far better than the article.
      @nilay i simply cant buy ur argument that full moon night is some how responsible for more number of criminal cases. can u please demonstrate it scientifically?
      as far as i know it is time and again proven that astrology is false.
      after reading about ved on net i reaffirmed my previous supposition that the rishi munis were great scientist. but again one questn reamined unanswered that
      1. was it there imagination backed by mathematical calculation or it was more of imagination less of mathematical backing. (i found the proof of speed of light but could not find others.)
      eg: like ” parmanu” of sage kanada. i could not found the various equations which we use in modern days for quantum physics used by Sage kanad. i read that that it was his imagination that smallest indivisible particle is ”parmanu”. like thinking about a vibrating string as the smallest particle is entirely a different cup of tea compared to deriving it mathematically.

      2.basically i want to say that a raw idea is different thing compared to the idea derived mathematically. i concede that our ancestors were great mathematician and scientist but arent we too much extrapolating their work?

      3. thirdly and lastly i would like to humbly request all the people that even if the western scientist are rediscovering what we already did does not make them a feeble or bad scientist. people like copernicus, keepler, galilieo, newton, schrodinger, de broglie, einstein and all are equally great like our great rishi munis.

      @agniveer i hope u will throw some light.

  16. Merve says

    "Max Muller and Griffitth and all other western peoples' translations are all trash items".

    Can you just prove your bold claim?

    "Max Muller and Griffitth and all other western peoples' translations are all trash items. "

    Again can you prove this bold claim?

  17. Merve says

    Here is an instance what I'm talking about. Please just compare those two translations and tell me what do you make of it.

    The verse: RIG VEDA 10: 126,8

    The real translation reads:

    "As in this place, O Holy Ones, ye Vasus freed even the Gaud when her feet were fettered.
    So free us now from trouble and affliction: and let our life be lengthened still, O Api."

    RIG VEDA 10: 126,8.
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10126.h

    And translations of your reformer "swamis:

    "He who has created this multiform universe, and is the cause of its sustenance as well as dissolution, the Lord of the universe in whom the whole world exists, is sustained and then resolved into elementary condition, is the Supreme Spirit. Know Him, O man, to be your God and believe in no other as the Creator of the Universe." RIG VEDA 10: 126, 8.
    http://www.vjsingh.info/chaptereight.html

    I Just CANNOT see EVEN a similarity! Can you?

    • saroj says

      merve,
      you are wrong.

      this is the correct translation:
      “He who has created this multiform universe, and is the cause of its sustenance as well as dissolution, the Lord of the universe in whom the whole world exists, is sustained and then resolved into elementary condition, is the Supreme Spirit. Know Him, O man, to be your God and believe in no other as the Creator of the Universe.” RIG VEDA 10: 126, 8.
      the other one is wrong.

  18. Vik says

    @Merve

    the proof for my bold claim are their translations itself. When u read their translations they dont make sense and hence creates errors. Now, try reading translations by Arya Samaj, they show no sign of any error or contradiction.

  19. Merve says

    Arya samaj or others only fabricated verses instead of translating like I showed you above.

    Arya Samaj or others do not actually translate, they fabricate.

    • Vik says

      But Max Muller himself was wrong in the translations, and Griffith just followed him. How can Arya Samaj fabricate verses? Go to any guru, and he will tell you the same meaning of the verse as Arya Samaj, is the matter of using the correct criteria, which muller or griffith didnt use.

    • Merve says

      How about you? Do you know Sanskrit better than Muller and Griffth? If yes, you should prove that Griffth translation is wrong.

      I already proved that Dayanand fabricates, instead of translating he rewrites Vedas! here is a good example:

      The verse: RIG VEDA 10: 126,8

      The real translation reads:

      "As in this place, O Holy Ones, ye Vasus freed even the Gaud when her feet were fettered.
      So free us now from trouble and affliction: and let our life be lengthened still, O Api."

      RIG VEDA 10: 126,8.
      http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10126.h

      And translations of Dayanand

      "He who has created this multiform universe, and is the cause of its sustenance as well as dissolution, the Lord of the universe in whom the whole world exists, is sustained and then resolved into elementary condition, is the Supreme Spirit. Know Him, O man, to be your God and believe in no other as the Creator of the Universe." RIG VEDA 10: 126, 8.
      http://www.vjsingh.info/chaptereight.html

      Now prove that Dayanand translation is better than the other!

      • says

        If you do not know anything, and yet want to thrust your conclusion, you are merely showing that your intention is to cast allegations because of your personal hatred.
        a. Provide us your qualifications, so that we can associate a scholar who can intelligently discuss the mantras. But if someone has not learned calculus, the formula for volume of a sphere cannot be explained.
        b. Instead of asking us to prove why Dayanand's translation is better, you explain why it is wrong and griffith is right. Explain which word has been translated wrongly, and why. And why should Grifith's translation be accepted.

        And if your knowledge is too limited to discuss these, please find a scholar in Sanskrit to represent you, and we would be glad to debate this publicly with him, after reviewing his qualifications. You would understand that it is impossible for us to respond to every ridiculous allegation that people may make due to their frustrations. We have to be selective in replying to hundreds of mails and comments that we receive on this site daily.

        Henceforth, for sake of maintaining the readability of the pages, if a frivolous comment is found on site, moderators would have discretion to delete the same. Subject of science in vedas can be discussed either with a scholar or a seeker of knowledge only.

        We thank you for your patronage and urge you to continue the same on the site with your valued feedback and comments.
        Dhanyavad
        Vayu
        AEB

      • saroj says

        you fool
        you have not given word to word trans
        but agniveer and dayanand has given it

        SO YOUR CLAIM THAT DAYANAND HAS NOT TRANSLATED BUT “FABRICATED” THE VERSES OF VEDAS is absolutey wrong

  20. Arya says

    @Merve
    There can not be any similarity between a wise and a fool. This is the whole point. Try to read the translation of Rishis rather than any Taantrik or indologist.

    • Vik says

      @Arya

      Namaste Brother,

      by the way, was the Vedic teachings of Sayaan different from Rishis, because I heard Max Muller followed Sayaan's formats?

  21. Nilay says

    Namaste Merve,
    You are trying to understand indian scriptures through westerners' perception??!!!… then u should ask about Bibles and Qurans n all those stuff to a Brahmin!!!… and as i said.. words in sanskrit have more than one meaning.. Just a simple word Agni has more than 50 meanings!… so even translation done by someone who doesnt understand the thing properly can go wrong… its a tragedy in your case that just like westerners who dont know the meaning intended in a particular verse.. u too are following them.. just like a blind leading a blind!!… u say arya samaj fabricates.. i say those westerners fabricate.. can u prove me wrong?? u cant because i know that the interpretation of the vedic verses is done according to the meaning of the words intended in those verses.. if western philosophers TRANSLATE the verses with an english equivalent.. then there are thousands of words in Sanskrit which doesnt have an english equivalent.. in that case.. translation of Vedas in English is almost an impossibility.. u must know the language first to understand it.. that's why The great Rishis who understood the Vedas in and out.. never tried to translate it … they only tried to explain them in as simple form as they could through Upanishads.. and thats where these westerns philosophers got stuck.. to the upanishads.. . If Vedas are wrong then.. the Upanishads, the Brahma Sutra, the Ashtanga Yog, the Bhrigu Sanhita, everything is wrong and useless.. because Vedas is their base!!… but they arent Wrong.. they are right.. because Vedas are right.. and Vedas are right because they are the words of Parmatma. .. u accept it or u dont it doesnt even matter.. infact its not even worth considering!
    Its like a situation wherein you are extremely thirsty.. almost dying of thirst and an Indian Man offers you a Glass of Water saying "Yah 'JAL' hai ise peelo" n you tell him "Oh! 'JAL' !! u r trying to burn me alive!!??.. Max Muller has told me the meaning of "JAL" in English it means "Burn" so m not drinking your Jal"… Ridiculous The Greatest Purpose of the Soul is to get emancipation through karma yog.. bring the soul in communion of "PARMATMA".. n the VEDAS are the key to it… A soul that is lay astray in this material world needs to quench its thirst of bliss through Parmatma n Parmatma only..

  22. Nilay says

    Pranam Merve.. Pranam Agniveer.

    In the hindsight it doesn't even matter what your beliefs are… only your thoughts n their translations into Actions matter in KARMA… it seems you have worked really hard in degrading Vedas.. had u spent same time and energy in learning vedas … u would have achieved Perfect bliss by now.. but anyways.. if u feel upanishads are better than Vedas.. or some other Religious books are better.. then its fine.. u can very well continue believing in them n acting accordingly.. no ones gonna stop you.. All you have to do as a human being is follow Ishwar's path Parmatma's path.. he will not punish you for not believing in Vedas.. there is no punishment or reward for not believing in something.. u do the right Karma through the 3 Modes of "Mann-Karm-Vachan".. n attain enlightment…. its perfect. U dont want to follow Vedas and want to devise your own way to enlightment.. its cool.. Jains n Buddhists have done that.. still do…n live in a fabricated world of their own..doing weird n funny things.. Getting stuck betn Previous old traditions & newly fabricated ones.. v dont stop them.. n they too do not thrust their ideas upon us…
    In any case if u feel u r on the right path n can convince us too.. then we are open for a Public debate.. even for a private debate if u wish… Agniveer has already invited you.. u just have to let us know your qualification n who is gonna debate from your side.. et al.. n thats it.. we shall have debate.. Think over it

    • Merve says

      I can't even reply, he doesn't even let me reply so what debate are we talking about? He deleted my 10 plus posts and will continue deleting. That's my last post (this will be deleted in 5 minutes too) How can we debate if you don't let me write? That's impossible…

      Thanks for your posts anyway, have a nice day.

      • says

        Your comments were deleted because you are neither providing facts, nor are ready to disclose your qualifications. You merely repeat that western indologists are best. Thus it dilutes the importance of a serious topic. If you want to debate, please tell us your qualifications, or ask a representative with appropriate qualifications to debate with us. Merely saying that Earth is flat because it is written in Bible and Bible is highest selling book of world, will not work in this forum and especially on this topic. You tell specifically which word of mantra is translated wrongly by Dayanand and rightly by Griffith and why. That would be much more meaningful.

        Dhanyavad
        Moderator

        • moonligtdriver2004 says

          Dear All,

          May i take the liberty of expressing myself, brief … crisp points

          1) Vedas do contain knowledge but are written in a sense that one has to work for it, they are thought provoking and each single line may be translated into many meanings as per the understanding of any individual, in fact if you even read a single mantra multiple times you may that very different thoughts/inspirations which is the seed for all innovations materialistic or spiritual. Why I say so is a different topic and outside the scope of this discussion but I hope you may agree.

          2) Upanishads are very well written and very often you may find that one mantra has opposite meaning of another thus forcing the mind to think this what upanishads are meant to do to force the mind of a common man to think.

          3) All this debate is good and none of you are wrong as no one can claim to be 100% accurate of vedas or upanishads.

          4) Merve & Agniveer you are very intellectual beings and have taken the first step towards understanding your self……. you have started thinking…… debating …….. this is what upanishads do they force the mind to think hence generate seeds of creation.

          5) This is not a debate my friends this is exchange of ideas & thoughts no other civilization of the world has texts or books such thought provoking which compel the reader to think.

          In my personal opinion i don’t think qualifications are necessary to hear what another human being wants to communicate !

          This is my first & last message to you all ……………. may you all be at peace.

      • Rajesh Rane says

        Hello Mr Merve and all,
        I appreciate and respect the interest you are taking in vedas and vedanta. I just posted to tell you that, Wherever text or mantra you refer to from Vedas, upanishadas … all are written with a particular intention or to be more precise to give a particular type of experience. To know this take this simple example – Sugar – when you see it when you read abt it you get a lot of knowledge abt sugar. But it is incomplete, Sugars sweetness can only be known when you taste it i.e. when you experience it.
        To understand these scriptures and mantras one has to go at its root its energy. At least one can read and understand upanishadas and some other texts to some extent by just reading and having knowledge of sanskrit. But vedas are far beyond that. If one is desperate to learn Vedas and vedanta one has to take a Shaktipat Diksha. Some even call it Shambhavi diksha. When one has this diksha his consciousness is raised and thats the moment when he starts interpreting the mantras or shrutis in the manner they are ment to be. All these books which are translations of scriptures should be refered as just guide to have the experience of the shrutis. They wont give you experience, one has to meditate and raise his consciousness himself to get the real experience, same as SUGAR.
        Posts on this forum have provided a large amount of knowledge to me for which I thank all.

        Oh, one thing I missed to tell. My guru told me If a person inrespective caste, creed and religion eats little, meditates properly and increases his consciousness to a particular limit he starts hearing, seeing the shrutis of vedas. This says it all. He says ‘The real knowledge flows from within, no one has to teach. Its within you. You r the book you r the reader.’

        Thank you Bye

  23. chandra says

    Hello agniveer,

    Is there a glitch in your comments sections or people like merve are spamming?.

    Why do you see same messages repeated about 4 or 5 times.

  24. david says

    hindu vedas contains lots of knowledge and its the word of god , many scientist suprise by vedas ,
    the knowledge what we discover in 20th century its was already in vedas 6000 bc , miracles about vedas ,puranas , brahama purana, also i read bhavishya purana , (furture book ) i was shocked , about jesus , and about demon religion islam and demon muhamad , by reading all the holy book , only one book i think (after reading hindus and non hindus ) that vedas and other hindu holy books are word of god ,

  25. says

    Hello all!
    I am an electrical engineering student at IIT bombay and was just curious to know more about the claims about scientific sanskrit texts. I think Agniveer is doint great in bringing to light such issues and debating with people who condemn these claims without having any strong knowledge and just basing themselves on western "sanskrit scholars". I know a naught about these things but I have had the opportunity of going through some shlokas which explain the construction of a voltaic cell and one where an aeroplane design was explained. And So I truly believe that there is a high possibility that the scientific concepts were known and have been merely lost in time

  26. Sooraj says

    I searched for translation and this is what i found for Rig Veda 1.119.10.
    10 A horse did ye provide for Pedu, excellent, white, O ye Aśvins, conqueror of combatants,
    Invincible in war by arrows, seeking heaven worthy of fame, like Indra, vanquisher of men.

    • Sunny Chawla says

      Bro this is the translation done by Griffith which is not correct coz he aimed to destroy our culture..!!!

  27. says

    Check out vymaanika shastra a whole book dedicated on the construction, take off , landings of these vehicles.
    It even mentions what clothes to wear and food to take!

  28. TOTAGOTO says

    Brother, vik and arya please provide me the correct translations

    FEW SCIENTIFIC ERRORS IN HINDU SCRIPTURES

    1.“He who fixed firm the earth that staggered, and set at rest the agitated mountains, who measured out the air’s wide middle region and gave the heaven support, he men is Indra.” Rig Ved: 2: 12: 2. We all know today that the earth revolves and rotates and is not fixed.

    2.“In the beginning rose Hiranyagarbha, born only Lord of all created beings. He fixed and holds up the earth and the heaven.” Rig Ved: 10: 121: 1. We all know today that the earth revolves and rotates and is not fixed.

    3.“Firm is the sky and firm is the earth and steadfast are also these hills. Steadfast is all this living world…..” Rig Ved: 10: 173: 4

    4.“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 4: 30

    5.“God has firmly fixed the earth with pegs around it.” Yajur Ved: 5: 16

    6.“ North West of the heavens.” Yajur Ved: 13: 56, 57

    7.“The sky is supported by pillars.” Yajur Ved: 4: 30

    8.“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 14:5

    • Arya says

      @TOTAGOTO

      Brother, I am giving you the translations of the relevant (which you are looking for) portions of above Mantras one by one.

      1. One who controls the moving earth, who causes cloud formation and scattering, who is the source of light, is the sun.

      2. Even before creation of the universe, There was One lord who was master of all imperishable entities. He alone is the controller of all, including earth. He alone is worthy to be worshipped.

      3. Could not see much wrong in your translation. However meaning of firm is inertia, i.e. tendency to remain in the state in which it is set. So meaning of firmness in this Mantra is the unchangeable state of earth, which is to move in a certain path.

      4. Vrishabh in this Mantra means “possessor of best qualities” and has come for Eeshvar and not for bull.

      5. God has made earth firm in its motion by Sun’s attraction.

      6. When sun appears to be in west… (where is heaven in this Mantra?)

      7. Same as 4.

      8. O! Possessor of knowledge of inner…

  29. Prakash Raja says

    Dear Friends,

    Hi 2 everyone. Im an architect. I’ve read all the posts. I always had an interest of studying vedas n keen interest on Gurukul teachings(as western education seems unsettling to me). But whenever i start reading/learning vedas, i have questions in mind. The predominent is which one to follow(whose verses), as it marks the base of the knowledge. And the other is that, as everyone knows, a word in sanskrit has lot of meanings & a line has lot of interpretations, whatever the science(astronomy, physics, maths) or knowledge that explained here is that we already have(meaning suns rotation, diameter, vimana,etc) and what about those that were’nt predicted? or the science ends here or what?(i’m not sure). If all those discovered in the recent past are there in the vedas, then it should have lot more of future discoveries. haven’t anyone found, even a single clue of it? For an amateur like me, it seems that of Nostradamus predictions(correct me if i’m wrong) said a long years before of forecoming events. Kindly guide me.

    • Arya says

      @Prakash Raja
      Namaste Brother,
      Its not that the manufacturing techniques of modern day equipments will be found in Vedas word to word. However, Vedas and knowledge (scientific, social, and political) have cause effect relation or we can say that Vedas are seed and science is a tree. Whatever growth science has seen or is going to see in future will always be because of its seeds, The Vedas. There is no example of creation of something from nothing. So we should have something which needs to start this whole process of knowledge and science, and this starting thrust is given by Vedas and then Rishis further explore the Mantras to benefit the world with the knowledge hidden in those. But understanding Vedas needs purity in Karma and soul, which can come by practicing Yam and Niyam. Understanding of Vedas increases with increase in purity of soul.

      Vedas dont predict anything. Lets take an example, Vedas gave us the numbers, 0 to 9, the techniques of addition, subtraction, multiplication, division etc. And Eeshvar has given us brain to play with these. So we can arrange these numbers and produce new numbers till infinity. Every time, one can come up with a number which has never been used before! But that does not make this number a new discovery which is not found in Vedas. Simply because if Vedas would not give us 0 to 9 numbers, how could we arrange them? Same thing happens in all science and social matters. Rishis/scientists arrange the preexisting materials and principles in different ways and get new discoveries.

      Please read Rigvedaadi Bhashya Bhumika (Introduction to Vedas) by Swami Dayanand, available in this site in Hindi or in English. Please go through it thoroughly and you will get to know a different perspective of Vedas altogether.

      Any knowledge can never end anywhere. As per Vedas, Eeshvar is the possessor of true knowledge of Vedas and Eeshvar being infinite, possesses infinite knowledge. The process of discoveries will go on till the humanity exists.

      Dhanyawad

      • says

        ” ISHA / Eeshvar /SHIVA is the possessor of true knowledge of Vedas and Eeshvar being infinite, possesses infinite knowledge. The process of discoveries will go on till the humanity exists” and YESHUA affirms this TRUTH . Afterall , SATYA MEVA JAYATE !!! HARA HARA MAHADEV !

  30. says

    I AM YEHSUA . And I AM an INDIAN – A born HINDU – who has the blood of a JEW – and will establish the church as MINE. Now will INDIANS be threatned for I AM from GOD ,to deliver the MESSAGE – in the BOOK OF LAMB – which is written and completed . “THE BOOK OF REVELATION OF JESUS” for which I AM the author. Kindly do revert for any further clarifications. GOD BLESS ALL THE 6 BILLION PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

  31. says

    Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus are studies, which originated in India.* Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to mankind. The Father of Medicine, Charaka, consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.* India was one of the richest countries till the time of British rule in the early 17th Century. Christopher Columbus, attracted by India’s wealth, had come looking for a sea route to India when he discovered America by mistake.The Art of Navigation & Navigating was born in the river Sindh over 6000 years ago. The very word Navigation is derived from the Sanskrit word ‘NAVGATIH’. The word navy is also derived from the Sanskrit word ‘Nou’.Bhaskaracharya rightly calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the Sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. According to his calculation, the time taken by the Earth to orbit the Sun was 365.258756484 days.The value of “pi” was first calculated by the Indian Mathematician Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century, long before the European mathematicians.Quadratic Equations were used by Sridharacharya in the 11th century. The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 10*53 (i.e. 10 to the power of 53) with specific names as early as 5000 B.C.during the Vedic period.Even today, the largest used number is Terra: 10*12(10 to the power of 12).Until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds in the world
    (Source: Gemological Institute of America).
    Sushruta is regarded as the Father of Surgery. Over2600 years ago Sushrata & his team conducted complicated surgeries like cataract, artificial limbs, cesareans, fractures, urinary stones, plastic surgery and brain surgeries.Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient Indian medicine. Detailed knowledge of anatomy, embryology, digestion, metabolism,physiology, etiology, genetics and immunity is also found in many ancient Indian texts.Varanasi, also known as Benaras, was called “the Ancient City” when Lord Buddha visited it in 500 B.C., and is the oldest, continuously inhabited city in the world today.
    Martial Arts were first created in India, and later spread to Asia by Buddhist missionaries.Yoga has its origins in India and has existed for over 5,000 years.

  32. Jecky says

    The fact that an ancient civilization would know that our planet didn’t have any arms and legs just completely blew. me. away.

    Even Albert Einstein didn’t incorporate this fact into his theory of relativity.

    The only possible logic explanation i can come up with is that who ever wrote this book had a direct connection with the realm of the supernatural.

    • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

      @jecky : you are pretty smart .. love your satire. but the fact remains that u are a fool who just know how to read but not to comprehend.
      so be happy :) ; do read what “even” Albert einstein wrote about “bhagvat Geeta”

  33. vasudevarao says

    Ramakrishna paramahamsa was a mystic. Not a Scholar. was he literate? I doubt. Swami Dayanand met Ramakrishna during one of his visits to Calcutta. But Paramhamsa being no Scholar could not stand to the intellectual brilliancy of Dayanand and said that statements of the latter appeared to be strange.It ought to be so, for the reason for nearly 3000 years the tradition of learning Vedas with Vedangas as the limbs had been given go by The assertion of God being formless must have sounded strange to the ears of Ramakrishna who was a worshipper of Kali.. Why even today our modern Hindu Scholars could not stomach the assertions of Dayanand on issues of God, caste system, etc. They appear to be very strange to them. But this does not mean that Dayanand spoke strange things but on the other hand he spoke Truth which was hidden to them for the past of 3000 years.

    • Aryaman says

      @vasudevarao

      Swami Dayanand was the scholar of Vedas, but Ramakrishna Paramhansa was the practitioner of Vedas in his every moment of life. The differrence between Swamiji and Paramhansaji is like the difference between “Reading Lyrics of a song” and “Enjoying the song”. Ramakrishna ji was actually in state of Turiya and enjoying every bit of Supreme Divine with constant communion with it. However, I don’t know whether Swamiji had ever experienced the divine bliss in his life (sorry to say this as I am not aware about this).
      Preaching the scriptures (Vedas, etc.) in its truest meaning is one thing and living its truest meaning is another.

      Dhanyavaad!
      Aryamaan

      • Vajra says

        Namaste Aryamaan

        1. You contradict yourself when you say- “I don’t know whether Swamiji had ever experienced the divine bliss in his life (sorry to say this as I am not aware about this).” by “The differrence between Swamiji and Paramhansaji is like the difference between “Reading Lyrics of a song” and “Enjoying the song”.”

        When you dont know about Swami Dayanand, your conclusion that he did not enjoy the song is incorrect. You are not in position to judge Dayanand against Ramkrishna.

        2. Now I ask you to read the biography of Swami Dayanand. Then you will know what Dayanand was. I do not claim that he was a Yogi because its beyond my capabilities to judge it but at the same time, you are also not in any position to conclude that Ramkrishna was a Yogi.

        3. Dont know whether you know it or not, Ramkrishna ji once saw Muhammad in his dreams and he realized Allah while practicing Islam. He believed Muhammad to be prophet/Avatar of God. But Swami Dayanand exposed this so called prophet in his book Satyarth Prakash. Now the world knows that Muhammad was a rapist, pedophile, mass murderer and what not. So I feel pity on the ignorance of Ramkrishna Ji that he even did not know the facts about Muhammad. In addition, his act of praising Muhammad would have created unnecessary sympathy among Hindus for him which could have been the reason for conversion of many.

        5. Can you compare the contributions of Ramkrishna ji and Dayanand ji to the world?

        Dhanyawad

  34. Manjunath Rao says

    The purpose of Vedic science was to take humans to a higher levels of consciousness and not to provide with gadgetary that can provide material comforts. The Vedic seers saw and experienced a higher reality that escapes the ordinary experiences of mundane existence.

    Average human being uses only 10 percent of brain capacity. Expanding the use of brain capacity can provide humans with expanded consciousness to perceive reality that is not experienced at lower brain capacity utilization. Vedic seers prescribed techniques in form of yoga and meditation that enables greater expansion of human experience.

    At the most basic level, human brain can be considered as a storehouse of energy waves, with different wavelengths providing different experiences of consciousness. Research in Transcendental Meditation has established that yogis exhibit a greater coherent brainwave pattern. Long term meditation (8 to 10) years would result in an altered state of consciousness with humans reaching higher levels of experience.

    At the highest level of experience according to Vedanta is attainment of Brahma Chitanya or Brahman consciousness where the individual feels absolute unity with the universe. An intellectual interpretation of this experience can be made thus. In the unity consciousness, the brain wave pattern merges with the fundamental wave patterns that form the unified field of the entire universe.

    Theoretical physists are exploring into unified field theory according to which all the creation springs out from a unified sub atomic field or the quantum field. This is exactly how Vedic seers describe the universe. The Eternal Brahman forms the substratum of the entire creation. Now, in unity consciousness an individual experiences that eternal brahman. In fact that individual merges with the Brahman attaining Jeevan Mukthi.

    While physists look at unified field as something inanimate, this field being the source of everything in the universe is both inanimate and animate as described by the Vedic seers. By attributing emotional qualities to this Brahman, Vedic seers describe this substratum as supreme being of paramatma. Vedic science provides a knowledge that unifies the scientific truths with religious truths or subjective religious experiences.

    A person in unity consciousness function at intuitive level and not at intellectual level. The truth that comes out of a person functioning at this level is not comprehensible by a person who has not reached that state of consciousness. Many a times such persons in higher level of consciousness may be describing functioning of a scientific law in a vague intuitive language understandable only by people at his/her level of consciousness. No wonder people reading vedas can find highly scientific principles, which at the same time may appear magical or an Arabian night story to skeptics.

    Vedic science and Vedic knowledge is not intellectual but experiential. Anybody and everybody following the path of yoga prescribed by Vedic science can attain and experience that level of consciousness which is said to be SAT CHIT ANANDA. i.e. the abode of TRUTH CONSCIOUSNESS AND BLISS or the SATYAM SHIVAM SUNDARAM i.e. TRUTH GOD AND BEAUTY. Reaching that level of consciousness is the sole objective and purpose of human life. It is sad that modern human beings are frittering away their golden opportunity in pursuit of mundane material comforts. It is a tragedy that the entire human existence has been reduced to meaningless consumerism.

    The theory of Karma, the description of birth rebirth reincarnation etc becomes most beautiful scientific theories if we view individuals as bundle of consciousness or energy particles of very intricate wavelengths that are constantly change from one form to another, acting and reacting according to the past vibrations.

    The source of any life is consciousness. The mark of consciousness is ability to think. It is the thought process that creates the entire living creation and what is the source of thought? It is that supreme being or the unified field that creates life through vibrations. The source of vibrations of that supreme being is described as SHIVA TANDAVA and the vibrations are described as the SHAKTHI. Thus it is the interplay of SHIVA AND SHAKTHI (Prakrithi and Purusha) that creates this entire creation.

    This is the heart of Vedic science and not mundane pursuits for technological expertise and engineering feats that have reduced the earth and environment to one big cesspool of pollution taking the entire creation on the trip to environmental disaster.

    It is sad that todays science students lack the breadth of thinking of the ancient Vedic seers who are being dismissed as primitive thinkers while in fact their thinking abilities transcended the boundries of time and space and their knowledge is as eternal as that supreme purusha himself.

    I hope this provides the answers to the mundane scientist who seek engineering precision in Vedas. There is in fact a very intricate design and mathematical precision present in every syllable of Vedic chant (the Chandas) but it is tragedy that the modern students of science have not developed the sensitivity to intuitively grasp the beauty and depth of this precision.

    Hari om.

  35. Prachi Arya says

    Hi Agniveer ji,
    If this much of knowledge is there in Vedas then why people don’t know or study about that………………

    • KalBhairav says

      @Prachi:

      My 2 cents…Indians are after false things these days…more money, bigger TV, bigger car, second home, third home, constant bombardment from advertisements, internet, TV, IPAD, IPHONE, Twitter, Linkedin, Facebook, youtube, etc. etc. etc.

      Bhaja Govindam puts this pretty accurately and musically and it as relevant today as it was centuries ago:

      bAlastAvatkrIDAsaktaH
      taruNastAvattaruNIsaktaH |
      vrddhastAvaccintAsaktaH
      pare brahmaNi ko.api na saktaH

      “the childhood is lost in sport and play. youth flies off in pursuits of love-
      making (passion). old age passes away on thinking over many past things and in
      worry about the security and future of one’s wife and children (pang). and there
      is hardly any time left for contemplation on god, as at no stage one is lost in
      the thoughts of parabrahman.”

      Sigh…:-(

    • pratap says

      @prachi:

      Because we are blinded by Western philosophy. Look at the irony– those westerners are looking to Indian way of life for salvation after being fed-up with their materialistic ideology and we prefer their sick life-style. Refer to a news-item published by Times of India about a month back as per which an American Man was so much infatuated by Indian philosophy that he TORE APART his American passport and announced that India shall be his Karma-bhoomi. But the sad end of the story came about when the Indian govt instead of allowing the fellow a residence in India (like it does for the 5 cr Illegal Bangladeshis who even have ration cards!!) issued search warrant against him!! Finally he self-immolated on the republic day!!!!

      There is so much of science in Veda that if “properly” explored, even the modern scientists may find an element of surprise and end up in adulation for those brilliant Rishis, like Albert Einstein realized later in his life when he went through Bhagwad Gita.

      Agniveer is a good site for those wishing to know the Vedas “as it is”. The Guys running this site are making a sincere attempt at conveying the message to the masses.

  36. Manjunath Rao says

    It is indeed sad that present day Indians are running after material pursuits forgetting all the struggles and hardships their forefathers undertook to preserve their ancient science.

    Vedic sciences survived the foreign onslaught on India, survied the destruction of temples and monestries, survived genocides and mass murders committed by invading hordes with an intention to destroy Vedic civilization once and for all.

    Seers like Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Vallabhacharya, Chitanya and countless others took great risk of opposing foreign invaders to preserve and reinterpret the Vedic science to suit the understanding capacity of the masses in the Hindu society in which they were born. But we see no such seers in the present Hindu society who has even an iota of understanding of the depths of Vedic science (barring a very few at the margin of course. Praise be on them).

    Western education and subtle invasion of Western culture has succeeded in doing what marauding horeds of invaders could not do. The western culture has destroyed Vedic thought and Hindu civilization once and for all, and I am afraid there may be no turning back.

    As is evident in many of the comments on this website by skeptics, it is obvious how shallow their knowledge is regarding vedic science. All they seek in vedas is description of spacecrafts, electricity generation, description of telegraph and other technical gadgetary, while the objective of vedas was to make ordinary humans immortal.

    TAMASO MA JYOTHIRGAMAYA
    ASATO MA SADGAMAYA
    MRITOR MA AMRTITHANGA MAYA

    • pratap says

      @manjunath

      It is said about Bhagwad Gita that every time you read it afresh you “discover” something new. Gandhiji once said –”when ever I am in a doubt, I turn to the Gita and find some or the other solution from those 700 verses.” Such is the beauty of this valuable scripture.

      I agree with you that most people are looking at Vedas as a sort of some Science treatease. Yes, Vedas do contain science but the “core” meaning is beyond materialism and into the realm of Spiritualism. For example: Consider the “Ashtanga Yoga”. It is said that when the sadhak (yogic student) establishes in the stage of dhyana (7th stage), he acquires special powers viz. increasing or decreasing body size, becoming invisible, ability to leave the body and travel et al. BUT the sadhak is cautioned not to fall prey to such powers which are the “by-products” of Yoga, because the ULTIMATE aim is to realize the truth and be ONE/unify with the God (that is the meaning of Yoga– Integrate).

      The problem with our Education system and intelligentsia is that to them the very word “Science” seems to be antithetical to the Spiritualism. It is fashion among some scientists to trash Indian Vedic philosophy as mythological and any attempt to link Vedas with science is vehemently opposed by the intelligentsia as Communalization or saffronization and “not ethical” for being taught.

      For example we still teach our children that Pythagoras theorem was a western though-over, instead of telling them that it was discovered by Baudhayana (who also discovered the value of pi). It was Varahamihira’s Surya Siddhanta that described in detail the revolution of planets around the sun, along with the estimated diameter of the planets, BUT we are still told that Copernicus was the first to conceive such theory!!!

      • Manjunath Rao says

        The problem has arisen in India because of psedo-secular psedo-socialist post independence constitution in India. With a false belief that positive science will solve all the problems in India and with a false notion of spreading “scientific” consciousness among Indians, the post-independent India has solely followed the policy of “aping” the west, with the result that our entire education system has been designed to churn out “white collared slaves” to run the wheels of western industrialists. The so called “engineers”, “MBA” s etc who are so much put on pedestal in India are nothing but west aping individuals who think anything from west is perfect. Sadly they do not realize that all they are doing is to train themselves to dance to the tunes of western masters.

        With money making as the ultimate aim in life, they slog day and night to cater to the whims of their bosses in multi national companies where they are scarcely recognized or their voices scarcely heard.

        The British education system was designed to churn out clerks and administrative workers to run the imperial machinery and it succeeded in doing that. Even today the Indians are happy to get fixed salary jobs in multinational corporations and toil for western masters.

        The English knew that the only way to enslave this great civilization was by destroying its culture. They quitely replaced Sanskrit with English and once they killed the language of the culture (Sanskrit) they destroyed the culture (Sanskrithi).

        Also by destroying the mother language, they destroyed the underlying unity of the intellectual India. Today the linguistic divide and linguistic chavanism is so great in India that it is impossible for one Indian to get along with any fellow Indian peacefully and harmoniously. You find 3 Indians and you will find 10 different classifications. Division based on geographical region, language, dialect, caste, sub caste, kula, gothra, family name etc etc. There is no end to it. It is difficult to find a “generic” Indian anywhere. When people are so divided like this, how can their culture survive?

        The psedo intellect Indian press that still clings to English, views anything connected with the tradition as “saffronization”. The psedo secularists do not realize how shallow their ideals are.

        But the intelligent Western man has realized the depths of Indian thought. Today the best place to read and understand Vedic science or learn sanskrit is in the universities of USA. Even universities like Harvard have Sanskrit deparments. Vedic sciences are studied like any other science in many universities in USA. Universities like Stanford have produced scholars who have advanced knowledge of vedic science.

        But do we have this liberal thinking in India? No absolutely not. The post independent India has divided masses on caste grounds like never before in the history. I think there is a general conspiracy by the ruling classes to curb the Brahminical learning and root out Brahminical thought once and for all from India.

        Vedic pundits are migrating to Europe and America and are are being warmly welcomed in these lands. But again Indians are losing their own respect by converting spiritualism into “god man” industry with a number of fake swamis swarming west with an objective of making quick buck. Godmen like Rajneesh and Mahesh yogi could build multibillion dollar empires by marketing vedic tantras and selling vedic mantras for money.

        May be nothing can change in India for better untill we have the next Avatara of Narayana.

        Hari Om.

        • pratap says

          @manjunath

          Very touching reply. The Condition is really dismal. Our Constitution is also guilty to a an extent because it talks about a plural society, yet opts for “reservations”. It talks of “equality”, yet mentions the provisions for “special status”. The most ambiguous term in our constitution is “Secularism”, which has now become the most abused word. The fact remains that our constitution was copied from variety of sources, of course with minor adjustments and tweaks. 60yrs of Constitution saw over 100 amendments!

          Regarding the “Churning of Clerks” from the present British system, Swami Vivekanand had warned the same some 100 yrs back. Yet our policy makers surrendered to the British Education system, the effect of which is now becoming all the more conspicuous. A whole generation has been brainwashed and made to hate anything Indian. This Generation is made to believe that 6 days Work/slavery and a “hard” party on the 7th day is what life is all about!!!

          A very convenient scale to gauge the damage is the “Bollywood”. Just scan through the chronology of Bollywood movies since it’s inception, the change in the quality & tone of movies is an approx. barometer of our changing values. And now we have another barometer–”The Idiot Box” -TV.

          The English Press is definitely the worst SLAVE of Western Masters. No other institution has abused the word “secularism” more than these puppets. As such the “ugly” truth of Media is too stinking to be discussed. It will suffice to say–Judge the Media by it’s Money source i.e. from where the Finance comes or it’s shareholders.

          Degrading Spirituality: We are also to blame for all this. It is, we, who have made spiritualism convert to a business model. I had a chat with some European. He was “all-praises” for the BUSINESS MODELS of the Indian Swamis: Little inputs and tremendous “Turn-over”!! Actually the problem starts when we compromise with our conscious i.e. to say when start believing in the adjustment that it is OK to commit Sins during day-time and revert to the Swamis/Babas in Evening or weekends for washing off the “accumulated” Sins by charity etc. (NOT all Saints are Bad, But a sizable number is not genuine, and it is they who have brought bad name to Hindus in general). It reminds me of Mahabharata when Bhisma was on the bed of arrows, suffering in pain, he asked lord Krishna the reason as to his pitiable state. Krishna replied by referring to the Sin Bhisma had committed in his 72nd birth wherein he tortured a large insect by poking needles into his body. The Moral: One should do good Karma.

          I like to share with you an Irony of the highest order:– I had a friend of mine who is an astrologer and talked very high about Indian culture and the need to spread it. Just a couple of days back he was standing in a long row to collect the form for the admission of his 4 yr old to a leading English Convent!!! (I am not against English Schools as such, but the prejudice against our culture)

          Albert Einstein had once quoted–” The world is a dangerous place, NOT because of the Evil, BUT because of those who look on and DO NOTHING”.

          regards

  37. Manjunath Rao says

    I think we should have one strategy that can take care of all the problems. I think that strategy would be to revivie sanskrit language, howsoever difficult it may be. Sanskrit shuold replace English in long run. The government will not do anything about it. It should be based on private efforts.

    Nowadays whenever anybody comes out with an idea, the first question people ask is “where is the money?”. Most people are under a fallacious belief that money can buy everything. I think in issues involving culture, language and education, what is important is involvement of people, mostly on voluntary basis.

    If existing pundits of sanskrit take it as a personal responsibility to revive that language, as a service to Hinduism, they will be doing a greatest punya karya. Evening classes can be conducted and children should become conversant in Sanskrit. How did we learn English? At the school of course. In the English medium schools, children learn English spontaneously by starting conversation in broken English. Slowly they get indoctrined into the “English Superior” complex.

    Sanskrit language can spread like candle light. One candle lights up 10 other candles, those candles light up others and so on and on till the entire environment gets lightened up.

    For people who say that all this needs money, they should remember that even spending billions of rupees may not produce any result if people are do not willingly participate in the cultural revival.

    These are some of my thoughts.

    Manjunath Rao

    • pratap says

      @manjunath

      Great Idea. Sanskrit should definitely be promoted. It is a wonderful language. I always had an inclination towards this poetic language, but unfortunately could not find the “true” master who could guide me, I had to manage with the school teachers who were more eager in completing the course than dwelling into the realms of this “classical” language. Instead of developing love for the language these teachers ended up instilling fear in their pupil. And once into my profession, I lost all touch with this Queen of Languages. I hope my children are initiated into Sanskrit right from the beginning. What we need is “appropriate” masters and a sense of respect towards the language.

      I did like to share with you what Swami Vivekananda said about a “True” teacher– “A true teacher is he who can immediately come to the level of the student, and transfer his soul to the student’s soul & see through and understand through his mind.”

      I have heard about a colony in Delhi, all of who’s residents converse in Sanskrit!!! Also as per wikipedia all the inhabitants of following areas converse only in Sanskrit– 1. Mattur (karnataka); 2. Jhiri, dist. Rajgarh, MP; 3. Bawali, District: Bagapat, Uttar Pradesh; 4. Ganoda, District: Banswada, Rajasthan; 5. Mohad, District: Narasinhpur, Madhya Pradesh.

      An interesting anecdote to share with you: “When Serial Mahabharata was beamed into Indian homes, it did a remarkable thing apart from the storyline; It affected the “vocabulary” of the Children. Words like “Pita-shri”, “mata-shri”, “pranam”, “anuj”, “acharya” etc became household words. Children by nature are very inquisitive and are deeply influenced by their surroundings and family happens to be their first school. In good olden days children were taken to temples and acquainted with the Culture. There used to be family Pujas, Yagnas, recital of mantras. But now it is the western Television with the sort of content that can put even the elders to shame.

      Researches have shown that if a child is initiated into his mother language early own INSTEAD of exposing him to foreign language, then it stimulates his Mind in a favorable way. So I think that English should be introduced only after class III, until then it should be the vernaculars.

      Before ending, I did also like to state that no doubt we should stress on sanskrit language BUT we have “adjust” to the fact that our so-called Modern society demands a good command over “ALIEN” English language, hence we have to take care of this part also. Let’s give the devil it’s due.

      Namaskar

  38. Manjunath Rao says

    Thank you Pratap. But I would like to differ on the relevance of western education to India.

    Japanes could become most advanced nation without aping west. They continued with their language and assimilated western knowledge and created something of their own. The best example is Toyota production. The TPS system was something that Japanese developed on their own after looking into weaknesses in Ford production system. Japanese could challenge the west in every way because they retained their unique Eastern method of thinking. They have emerged as leaders in quality in every aspect of life.

    Today China is emerging as next superpower. Chinese are overtaking US in every sphere. How did they attain this? Not with English education. Although Chinese are now working on learning more of English, their developement has been solely due their retention of their culture and language.

    If India has to develop and overcome its chronic poverty, it has to develop something of its own without becoming a puppet of western nations. Indians should think originally without being copy cats. Otherwise India’s fate will be soon that of Latin American countries which have suffered a lot because of their aimlessly aping USA.

    While western science provides most valuable knowledge, it should be understood and assimilated by the local populace in accordence with their own culture. Development is not mindless uprooting of tradition and transferring of alien technology. Prosperity can only arise when people can live harmoniously and flourish in their own culture. If the cultural root is destroyed, how can the society survive?

    In couple of generations from now we will have a society consisting mostly of confused individuals who will not be able to give a meaning to their lives. Thier lives will be no different from that of Native American Indians in USA or Aborigines in Australia or African Americans in USA whose cultures have been totally destroyed and who are now reduced to the marginal fringes in the society.

    On the face of it English education may be providing us with a link to “advanced” technologies of the western world, but looking at the deeper level we find that the so called educated Indians have lost their ability to think originally, and even when they think originally they are scarcely recognized. How many Indians get academic recognition? How many scientists has India produced? Indians do not receive any recognition in the universities of the West even if they are most highly qualified. I hear that Indian doctors who go abroad may have to settle down for jobs as nursing assistants or medical assistants (I may be wrong on this one)

    I have personally seen graduates from IIT and IIM in America working as third level graduate assitants or teaching assistants with nobody appreciating their level of knowledge. The credit for all the research and hard work Indian academicians do is taken by the western professors who get their works more easily published. This is a fact.

    The sorry state affairs in Indian academics would not have arisen if we had a system of education based on our lanugage. Today the education system in India is based merely on rote learning unlike in the west where the stress is on original thinking and practical education. Material in text books in India are just copied outright from the West and the Indian students memorize the contents without even questioning its relevance to the real life in India.

    Take for instance education in management institutes where students learn theories developed in Harvard or Stanford. These theories are very much relevant to America and are based on empirical investigations in America. Our so called advanced institutions of education (IIT, IIM etc) teach these theories in classrooms. When these managers go to work in the real world India, they do not find any relevance of what they study in colleges with what is found in real work situation. Naturally these frustrated students opt to go out to west to seek jobs that are more relevant to their education. At the same time they get totally alienated from their home culture.

    Once they go west, they have to settle down for lower level positions. I have personally seen highly trained Engineers slogging like slaves or living in cramped conditions of shared apartments (20 people living in a small apartment of 3 bedrooms). Highly qualified Indian engineers are reduced to the status of white collared slaves. Many a times they are forced to compromize their values and falsify resumes to get even a small time job.

    This is the direct result of our obsession with English and Western education. If we had our own system of education and our own way of managing the academia, we would have westerners thronging at our doors to seek Indian education, like they seek from Japan. Now western capitalists are directly benefitting from all the investment India makes in terms of time and money in education. How relevant is the western education to India or Indian society?

    While what I am stating above may seem irrelevant to the discussion on Vedic Science, I would like to state that this issue is closely related. If Indians were educated in Vedic Sciences, they would have sought to find the truth in Vedic Sciences in western science, instead of otherway round. Now Indians are seeking to find engineering designs for aircrafts in Vedic Science, which is totaly irrelevant to the objective of Vedic Science.

    Hari Om.

    • pratap says

      @mangunath

      Well, I appreciate your reasoning, and I hope others also benefit from your “enlightening” observations.

      I have some doubts regarding “utility” of English language in our country, I would be grateful if you clear it up:

      1. It is claimed that English is an international language and is often projected as a “connecting” Language b/w the North and south India. Is it true??
      2. English propagandists claim that South Indians are more “apprehensive” in conversing/using Hindi than the English language (Source: Debate on NDTV and internet);

      It is amusing that Hindi continues to be an “official” language of India BUT NOT A “STATE” LANGUAGE!!!

      You raised a very valid point that we are aping the Western Models of Business, whereas the Western B-Schools are reverting to India for the “basic” management fundas. For example: Mahabharata, Gita, Vedas, kautilya’s Arthshastra, Dabawallah’s of Mumbai. BUT our B-schools, including IIMs, love to blindly follow the west and their stupid Models that are now becoming reduntant.

      Another interesting anecdote on the Western influence blinding Indians: Lawyers in India are MADE to wear Coat and tie “even in the Summers”!!! And in Winters they are forced to wear “Gown” just like their western country counterparts!!! (How foolish of our system to have “ignored” a pertinent fact that the dress code suited the English and the West because of the COLD WEATHER, which is not the case in the Sub-continent which reels under warm weather most of the year!!)

      An amusing instance: The PM of India Manmohan Singh had once quoted that we must indeed be “INDEBTED” to the Britishers for the “infrastructure” developed by them, viz. the rail transportation, industries etc!!!

      namaskar

      • Arun says

        Hindi is not a unifying language for India. I can tell you many South Indians feel it imposed by the North. What is a unifying native Indian language would be Sanskrit. Sanskrit language is the inheritance of all Indians of all regions North, South, East, West, of all faiths (it is an ancient language that predates most faiths and as such Indians of all faiths can claim it as their heritage). Even Western journalist Francois Gautier thinks of all languages Sanskrit is one that has the best chance to be a universal Indian language.

  39. Manjunath Rao says

    Pratapji,

    Yes English is a connecting link between North and South India. Hindi cannot act as the bridge. I have worked as Hindi Officer for a major bank in India and I still feel that Hindi does not have the richness of an intellectual language like Sanskrit has. The official hindi is full of sanskrit words. The official Hindi is nothing but just a translation of original English documents into Hindi. There is no originality in the official Hindi.

    The problem in India is there are so many languages as rich as Hindi and even more ancient. Tamil and Kannada have more ancient literature. Compared to Tamil and Kannada, I think Hindi is a relatively new language. Dravidian languages are as ancient as Indus civilization itself. Even sanskrit has a ring of dravidianism in it. (especially the “ma” endings)

    The only Indian language that can act as a bridge and a link to all the Indian languages is Sanskrit. Even if it is dead, it has to be revived. Sanskrit only enriches all the languages and forms sort of basis for every language in India, including Tamil.

    The people who adopted Hindi as national language were colored by thier attachment to their own language without looking into our rich cultural history. For centuries before English or Urdu, Indians classified their languages as Sanskrit and Prakrit. Whereas the all the existing Indian languages fall into the category of Prakrit, it is the Sanskrit that is the language of intellectual India. Even when people want to express something profound in their mother tongue, they use Sanskrit words.

    Hindi can never be the language of everybody in India. Firstly, it has an alien taste in that it is more arabic and urdu in nature. The spoken Hindustani has more Urdu words and it is difficult to differentiate the spoken Hindi from Urdu of Pakistan. Secondly, for south indians it is difficult to understand and it does not provide the satisfaction of an intellectual language. Even Hindi speaking individuals find the Rajbhasha alien and strange.

    So for convenience of everybody in India let us adopt an Indian language which is equally difficult to everybody which is SANSKRIT. Instead of Sanskritizing Hindi and making it alien to Hindi speakers themselves, it is better to use Sanskrit in its original form.

    I am not being a chavanist but we have to appreciate the difficulty of South indians in accepting Hindi. Although I have worked as a Hindi officer, when I speak, many of the north indian friends tend to make fun of me at my grammar or mistakes regarding ling usage or my accent. I feel embarassed to speak in Hindi with them, because it tends to be more like Rajbhasha and not the spoken hindi they are accustomed to.

    We should however be aware that the fact that we do not have a common language should not be a reason for retention of English. At the extremes, it is better to support and nourish regional languages rather than stick to English. In the modern era of internet and computers, the Central Government can communicate with each State in its own language without imposing Hindi on them. The Central Government can speak Hindi, Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Assamese etc. That would be more easy than trying to educate millions of Indians in a language they are not comfortable with.

    These are my humble and sincere observations.

    • pratap says

      @manjunath

      Honest comments indeed. Well, if Sanskrit (intellectual language) can act as a connecting link b/w North and South, then let that be so. It is heartening to hear that Sanskrit has the “real” prospect of taking over the role of “Alien” English in acting as the bridging Language.

      I surfed the NET and found out some interesting facts. South India is known to produce some brilliant Sanskrit Scholars, viz.

      1. It was the minister of Vijayanagar, Sayana, who wrote commentary on all the 4 Vedas;
      2. South-Indian composer Bharavi wrote mahakavya “kiratarjuniyut”;
      3. `Adi Sankara`, a composer from Kerala had given many wonderful devotional lyrics;
      4. `Dasakumaracharita` and `Avantisundarikatha` are two Sanskrit works of Dandin,
      a south Indian genius;
      5. The 3 great propounder of Vedanta belong to South India;

      For a good analysis, please visit the following link–http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.html

      Namaskar

      • Manjunath Rao says

        Thank you Pratapji,

        Yes South India did produce Sanskrit scholars. After the Mohammedan invasion of North, when thousands of temples were destroyed in Kashi, Mathura, Agra, Orrisa. When entire North Western region got a notorias name of Hindu Kush (massacre Hindus), Hindu intellectuals fled south where they founded the kingdom of Vijayanagara.

        When Dwarka was looted, the pundits of Dwarka took care to preserve the idol worshipped by Rukmini (Krishnas wife) which was later smuggled to South India and installed at Udupi by Madhwacharya. The disciples of Madhwacharya were responsible for founding of the Vijayanagara kingdom, in the South. Vyasatheertha, Purandara Dasa, Kanaka Dasa etc propounded the Dasa cult and the famous Dasas including Kabirdas, Tulsidas, Ramdas etc belong to this school of Hindu philosophy.

        Vyasathirtha was the rajguru of Krishnadeva raya of Vijayanagara and was a follower and propounder of Madhwacharyas dwaita philosophy which stresses on the difference between Jivatma and Paramatma.

        Under the patronage of Krishnadevaraya, Hinduism and Sanskrit culture flourished in South India and thousands of temples (Kanchipuram, Mahabalipuram, Sri Rangam, Rameshwaram, Tirupathi etc) were constructed. It was the infrastructure provided by South Indian Vijayanagara dynasty that was responsible for providing strength to Hinduism in the country as a whole to withstand and resist the onslaught of Islam. Bhakthi movement in India started from the kingdom of Vijayanagara. The priests of Badrinath hail from South India.

        Vallabhacharya and Chitanya were responsible for spreading Bhakthi cult in North India. Vallabhacharya was a disciple or a contemporary of Vyasathirtha of Vijayanagara. Vallabhacharya helped Vyasathirtha and his team to win a decisive victory over Adwaitins in King Krishnadevarayas court. Vallabhacharya later migrated to north to found Shudha Adwaitha which laid foundation for Bhakthi movement and survival of Hinduism in the north. It was Vallabhacharya who reinstalled Dwarkanath in Dwarka and it is his descendants who have the custody of worship in Dwarka temple even today.

        If you go to Assam and Manipur you find a unique kind of Vaishnavism existing there which again has its origins in Chitanya Mahaprabhus teaching. Chitanya visited Udupi and took a lighted lamp from Udupi temple to spread the word of Krishna in the North. (This lighted lamp which was lit by Madhwacharya continues to burn even today and the seers (swamijis) in the Udupi mutt see to it that it never goes out).

        I am bringing out all these matters to shed light on the underlying unity that exists between North, South, East and West of India.

        It is fallacious to believe that British unified India through Railways and English language. This is what is taught in history books at schools even today. India was always united and was united through Sanskrit and Hindu culture. Acharyas travelled north, west, east and south establishing temples. Shankaracharya established peethas (or schools of learning) in all the four corners of the country including Kamarup in Assam and Srinagar in Kashmir. In fact there was an ancient peetha of Shankara called Sharadha peeta in the present Pak occupied Kashmir where Shankara defeated scholars not only from India but also scholars from abroad. It is said that the southern door of this peeta which remained closed for centuries opened up for Shankara when he visited there.

        I am bringing about all these points to hint how Sanskrit can once again reunite India and revitalize our culture.

        Hari Om.

        • pratap says

          @manjunath

          Very well said. May the “artificial” British created North-South divide vanish and India usher into a new era of Unity and brother-hood and May Sanskrit emerge as the Common mother of two Brothers –North and South.

          For this to turn into a reality, I propose the following:
          1. General public has to rise up and become self-assertive in order to preserve their unique identity and culture;
          2. Do not expect the politicians or the pseudo-intellectuals poisoned by English slavery to do something meaningful; Initiatives have to come from within the public;
          3. If we could inculcate in the younger generation the love and admiration for the “Great” culture of ours then 3/4th of the job is done;
          4. World over native people are desperately re-connecting with their roots. For example the Native Americans, who suffered greatly under the European Masters, are beginning to appreciate their once great civilization. If it can be in America then why not in India?
          5. The best way to stop a Propaganda is to launch a “Counter-Propaganda”, let this be the job of the enlightened souls;
          6. Stop tolerating the insult of Indian culture on the popular media, esp. the abusive and mischievous description of Hindu Gods and the Culture. (Lord Yamraj is depicted in a very bad humor; Some toilet brands are using the name of Hindu saints such as Parshuram). Such sinister demeaning of Hindu Gods, saints, symbols must stop;
          7. Sanskrit still continues to remain “exclusively” within the domain of the Preachers, Prohits etc; there is a need to make it the language of the masses;
          8. A “Natural” love and respect for Sanskrit, instead of fear and subjugation, has to be developed amongst the younger generation. For that “dedicated” and “humane” approach is solicited. Without this essential feature of “love” and “admiration”, mere making Sanskrit compulsory in academics will NOT do;
          9. It is necessary to dispel the false assumption that Sanskrit is all about religious verses and commentary; the poetic aspect of this “Mother of all languages” has to be made more explicit;
          10. Transformation from English to Sanskrit will take time and a lot of patience, but as they say it– A Good beginning is HALF the job done.

          Namaskar

          • Manjunath Rao says

            I agree on every point you have made. I would like to know what other members on this forum think about this.

            You have rightly pointed out the threats to our culture arising in India. While there are many threats to our culture arising within the country, there still exists an external danger of which Indians are not aware. The subtle conspiracy to uproot the Hindu ethos, culture and religion and create a void so that it becomes convenient for Christian or Islamic faith to override India.

            I fear that the subtle invasion of Western culture is part of a long term strategy to weaken Hinduism as a whole. It is sad that the younger generation is wholly lapping up the Western ideology without realizing that it might be a long term conspiracy to wipe off Hinduism from its mother land.

            India is no longer called a Hindu country, but it is a Secular republic. Hindus themselves are hesitant to call their mother country their own. If India is not the home of Hindus, I would like to know where is the home for Hindus? America!!!. Surely Israelis have no qualms of calling their land as land of Jews or Islamic nations have no hesitation in calling themselves Islamic republic.

            Now a subtle threat which Hindus are not aware of is that of false Hinduism that is being spread in the west. While we think that the Hindu Godmen are thronging west to popularize Hinduism, I see the reverse happening. Westerners are attracting Godmen with money and appealing to their greed. Once they go West, these Godmen totally switch their attitudes.

            Tantra and devotion to Shiva and Shakthi is equated with unrestricted enjoyment of lust and sex (Eg. Rajneesh. Tantra is equated with Sex. You can do a websearch on this). Way back in 1970s Hare Krishna was equated with drugs and LSD. ISKCON suffered many scandals involving guns and child abuses. (This happened because of blatant misinterpretation of Krishna leela and Bhagvata). There are countless Western gurus misinterpreting yoga, tantra, siddhi etc and using these terms as a convenience for licentious behavior and money making. Nithyananda scandal must be an eyeopener.

            Western intellectuals are taking liberties with Vedic Science and Vedic Texts. I study in America (PhD) and I have seen the misinformation that is being spread in Western universities in the name of teaching Vedic Sciences. Mantras do not represent gods but are meaningless special sounds that can help individuals “transcend” or “relax” or get good night sleep. Many westerners are accustomed to listening to Samaveda before going to bed because it helps them get good sleep without using the pills. The Devatas are not Gods but powers of nature. They are inanimate. Siddhi is a scientific technique to remove stress and experience higher states of consciousness.

            Brahman and mother Goddesses like Lakshmi, Shakthi, Saraswathi are nothing but the Unified Field of Physics. It is just an inanimate source of energy like electricity or solar power that has to be “harnessed” through yogic practices. Hindu God is nothing but something like a “rubber band” (using the logic of string theory from physics). (But this logic may not apply to Christian God because he is Jesus Christ who was a living breathing person)

            Above all they say that Hindus have misinterpreted everything for thousands of years, and it is the duty of the “enlightened” west to reinterpret Vedas and teach Hindus the truth about their own religion. India is a land of ignorance. (The same old “white mans burden” theory now being sold in new bottles). It seems to me the message from west is that while Hinduism is a primitive “science”, the only true religion is Christianity or Judaism.

            This strategem does not end in West. It is being spread in India. Youngsters are enticed to join new age religions like TM or Sahaja Yoga, or other kinds of meditation cults. Funds are flowing from West to start ashrams, meditation camps, spiritual colonies right in the heart of India where Westerners come and camp. The so called Vedic Pundits dance to the tunes of the Westerners and even take the liberties of misinterpreting Vedas to suit the temperments of moneyed clients from West.

            While Vedic Pundits in India act puritanical and refuse to teach Vedas to non brahmins or women, they have no qualms in selling Vedic Chants and Vedic Mantras to beef eating westerners and western women for money. Mantras have been branded, trade marked and marketed like Coke or Pepsi. Vedic chanting has become an industry with westerners conducting Veda reciting classes where they mispronounce and mischant the vedas and also sell CDs containing Vedic chants (Do they sell Bibles? Of course not. Bibles are not for sale. They should be distributed free. But this rule does not apply to Hindu scriptures including Bhagavad Gita).

            They say Hindus have misinterpreted everything for thousands of years. Vedic gods are nothing but forces of nature and vedic mantras are unique sounds that should be harnessed to produce benefits. Hindu mantras which were meant for spiritual upliftment are equated with spells and charms and westerners think that they can get untold wealth and benefits through these mantras. (Including ability to fly like birds). While vedas and upanishads teach renunciation as a way of life, Hindu Godmen in the West preach unbriddled materialism as a goal of happiness (Rajneesh, Mahesh Yogi).

            And sadly the younger generation Hindus think and argue that what is being said by “superior” westerners must be the truth. Totally brainwashed with western science and western ideals, they too join the band of misinterpreters and try to see western technology and western engineering in Vedic Science.

            What is Hindu India doing about this? Nothing. Hindus are still involved in their age old game of mistrust, quarrel and divisive politics. In long run, nobody in India would even know an iota of Vedic Sciences. All that would remain would be what is found in western universities. And what is found in west is gross misinterpretation.

            At the same time the western man will make billions of dollars by patenting Veda, Ayurveda and Sthapathyaveda.

            Hari Om.

          • KalBhairav says

            @Manjunath:

            I generally try to refrain calling for a “Hindu” India because it is nearly impossible to answer “Who is a Hindu?” to the satisfaction of everyone. Just see the problems countries are having that have religion as the sole raison d’etre.

            I actually LIKE true secularism (complete separation of “church/mosque/temple” and state). You are also correct that “secularism” in India = unabashed minority appeasement. That, unfortunately, is our tragedy. But here is hoping that Agniveer and other Hindu-centric forces at play can educate people about any conspiracy that may/may not be brewing up.

            Also, I think the atheists in the West are doing a fairly good and effective job at dissecting and discarding Islam/Christianity. Between themselves, Islam and Christianity will probably end up slaughtering themselves (as is happening in parts of Africa and the Middle-East). I personally feel the essence of Hinduism is quite safe and immune to various world forces. Still a lot of work needs to be done. For one, the internet is the last bastion of free speech and we must utilize it to the hilt to get across our POV.

          • pratap says

            @manjunath

            We, Hindus, ourselves are responsible for the plight that our Great Culture finds itself into. I will dwell into a few “FAULT-LINES” in a series of comments, starting from this one.

            First let me deal with the concept of “ashtanga” Yoga: The most fundamental rule of teaching Yoga is to have a “learned” Guru and a “dedicated” & “appropriate” Shishya. Let me make it very clear that the science of Yoga was NEVER meant to be a “HEALTH-PACKAGE”, as it has been made today. Yoga was always for the serious students who “truly” lived the life of a Yogi. Chapter 6 of GITA specifically deals with this form of Yoga. It lays down specific conditions for the disciple and also the master.
            BUT what is happening today: Any body with “money” can PURCHASE the Yoga postures. And the rich pseudo-Yogis, the so-called ‘Masters’, are ever ready to SELL it to all and sundry. It is a BIG SHAME and an INSULT to this ancient practice. In my opinion if Yoga is just for health benefits, then the very purpose of “Astanga” Yoga stands defeated. The very goal of Yoga is spiritualism.

            Next, Let us now deal with “Ayurveda”. We have (deliberately) forgotten the most basic law of a Vaid (The Healer). The rule was that the healer shall not ask for the financial benefits, it is left to the “discretion” of the patient after he is cured. The vaid was supposed to take the money offered by the patient as “Daana”. The Vaids frequently offered “free” services to the poor. Regarding the herbs: The herbs were collected from the virgin forests and medicines were prepared as per the specific patient and NOT Mass-production.
            BUT what is happening Today— A “Price-Tag” on every “Product”. All sorts of Chemicals are mixed and labeled “Ayurvedic” (This is a BIG scandal in Ayurveda industry). Mass-Cultivation, Mass-Production, Factory-Produce. Any one with a Diploma in Ayurveda becomes eligible to be called a “Vaid” and can get a license to open his “DUKAAN”!!! (I know some facts because my father in his childhood helped a Healer who prepared Ayurvedic medicines from herbs)
            contd…

            Namaskar

          • pratap says

            @manjunath

            The Science in Shastras: Indian Shastras contain a vast amount of science, some of which deal with the highly “advanced” levels of knowledge in all fields. Various forms of Astras and Shastras are defined, for example- Nag-Astra, Brahma-astra, Pashupat-astra, Narayan-astra, agni-astra, Vayu-astra, Varun-astra, Nag-pasha, et al.

            Then there is a mention of the science of converting Mercury into Gold through “Cold-fusion” (Though the methodology has been lost, but there are strong proofs of the existence of the sustra till the beginning of 20th Century, after which it remain untraceable).

            Plastic Surgery (Rhinoplasty) used to be performed in ancient India, Sushruta is credited with it.

            There are many many such TREASURE-MINES of Knowledge, some in the Public domain and Most remaining obscure and hidden.

            BUT What I exactly want to deal with is the reason and the “necessity” of such knowledge remaining HIDDEN. King Ashoka was amongst the first ones to realize the importance and “vulnerability” of such advance sciences. He apprehended the “real” prospect of such crucial knowledge falling into the hands of Evil (An Analogy of this is the concern of US about Atomic weapons falling into the hands of extremists, though it is a separate matter that US is the worst and the “only” abuser of the Atomic weapons in the Modern world, courtesy- Hiroshima-Nagasaki!!). It is claimed that he formed a Secret society of Nine, wherein, every individual had his area of specialization & was entrusted with collection of knowledge and further enhancement in his particular field. BUT the condition was that such knowledge SHOULD NOT fall into the hands of the “unqualified” and “Unpredictable” dangerous people with evil motives. It was remain SECRET.

            Some claims (though not substantiated) suggest that the books written by the members of society remain hidden somewhere in the Himalayas, esp in the Tibetan Plateau. Some claim that it was burnt in the arson by the communist China which destroyed the Shaolin temple. But No body knows where they are. In fact it is in the interest of the Humanity that it remains hidden. To be very frank, we, the “Modern” people DO NOT deserve those books. DO WE???

            Another instance of the Correct knowledge passing to “only” the “Correct” Pupil was the ancient Nalanda University. Whenever a student wished to join the coveted university, he had to find an appropriate answer to a question in the form of some shloka, if the reply was satisfactory, only then he was entitled to join the University. Money was NOT the criterion.
            contd…

            Namaskar

      • saroj says

        sayanas commentary on the holy sacred vedas gives an approximate value to speed of light which i have given in one of my comments down.pls see that brother/sister

  40. saroj says

    good work agniveer.
    i am a nair by birth , but intrstd in studying vedas, THE ULTIMATE TRUTH’ like brahmanan.
    i will post messages on more vedic sciences to you on this web page ?…

    • KalBhairav says

      @saroj:

      Please do not construe this as nitpicking…but I just want to quibble on a very minor point in your statement (something that I am sure you did not even think about or intend to convey)

      i am a nair by birth , but intrstd in studying vedas

      The Vedas are for everyone regardless of caste/creed/religion/nationality/tribe/race/gender. The fact that one is a Nair or Pillai or Caucasian or Chinese is irrelevant for the study of Vedas.

      Athatho Brahmajigyasa – Let us inquire into the nature of Brahman.

    • Vajra says

      saroj

      As Brother KalBhairav has already stated, its not that Brahmanas are interested in studying Vedas but those who are interested in studying Vedas are called Brahmanas.

      So you are Brahman and so is anyone who has urge to explore Vedas and knowledge irrespective of his/her birth based conditions. And similarly those born even in Brahman family, if not study Vedas and knowledge, are all Shudras.

  41. saroj says

    i am a nair by birth but wants to study the VEDAS
    “Access to the Vedas is the greatest privilege this century may claim over all previous centuries” – Robert Oppenheimer, Father of Modern Atomic Bomb
    “Amid all the beliefs of Europe, and of Asia, that of the Indian Brahmins seems to me infinitely the most alluring. And the reason why I love the Brahmin more than the other schools of Asiatic thought is because it seems to me to contain them all. Greater than all European philosophies, it is even capable of adjusting itself to the vast hypotheses of modern science. Our Christian religions have tried in vain, when there were no other choice open to them, to adapt themselves to the progress of science. But after having allowed myself to be swept away by the powerful rhythm of Brahmin thought, along the curve or life, with its movement of alternating ascent and return, I come back to my own century, and while finding therein the immense projections of a new cosmogony, offspring of the genius of Einstein, or deriving freely from the discoveries, I yet do not feel that I enter a strange land. I yet can hear resounding still the cosmic symphony of all those planets which forever succeed each other, are extinguished and once more illumined, with their living souls, their humanities, their gods – according to the laws of the eternal To Become, the Brahmin Samsara – I hear Siva dancing, dancing in the heart of the world, in my own heart.” – Romain RollandReligious faith in the case of the Hindus has never been allowed to run counter to scientific laws, moreover the former is never made a condition for the knowledge they teach, but there are always scrupulously careful to take into consideration the possibility that by reason both the agnostic and atheist may attain truth in their own way. Such tolerance may be surprising to religious believers in the West, but it is an integral part of Vedantic belief. - Romain Rolland

    “When I read the Bhagavad Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.” – Albert  Einstein
    “After the conversations about Indian philosophy (Vedas), some of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy suddenly made much more sense”. W. Heisenberg (German Physicist, 1901-1976)The Danish nuclear physicist and Nobel Prize winner Niels Bohr once wrote, “I go into the Upanishads to ask questions.”
    enough to prove vedas are the source of insiration to science
    great wisdom the vedas have…
    great intelligence the vedas have…

  42. saroj says

    @kalbhairav , thank you for your great advice
    sorry for i repeated the mistake

    what we as indian need to do is to glorify our culture
    please help me
    i feel like falling at the feet of our rishis

  43. saroj says

    the so called

    “scientific error in vedas”
    are truly:
    “misinterpretation and illogical understanding in vedas”
    VEDAS ARE THE ULTIMATE TRUTH
    HARI AUM

  44. saroj says

    namaskaaram,
    its a gud work, vajra and agniveer.
    ANOTHER SCIENTIFIC CLAIM IN VEDAS
    SPEED OF LIGHT

    The fourth verse of the Rigvedic hymn 1:50 (50th hymn in book 1 of rigveda) is as follows:
    .
    तरणिर्विश्वदर्शतो जयोतिष्क्र्दसि सूर्य |
    विश्वमा भासिरोचनम ||
    .
    taraNir vishvadarshato jyotishkrdasi surya |
    vishvamaa bhaasirochanam ||
    .
    which means “Swift and all beautiful art thou, O Surya (Surya=Sun), maker of the light,
    Illuming all the radiant realm.”
    .
    Commenting on this verse in his Rigvedic commentary, Sayana who was a minister in the court of Bukka of the great Vijayanagar Empire of Karnataka in South India (in early 14th century) says:
    .
    tatha ca smaryate yojananam. sahasre dve dve sate dve ca yojane
    ekena nimishardhena kramaman.
    .
    which means “It is remembered here that Sun (light) traverses 2,202 yojanas in half a nimisha”
    .
    .
    .
    NOTE: Nimisharda= half of a nimisha
    .
    In the vedas Yojana is a unit of distance and Nimisha is a unit of time.
    .
    .
    In this verse sun is referred to with respect saying that sunlight moves 2202 Yojans in Half Nimish. Yojan is quite a common unit in India. It means 4 KOSE, each kose measuring 8000 BRITISH YARDS AND EACH YARD MEASURING 0.9144 M.
    he Definition of time unit Nimish can be found in ShrimadhBhagwat(ii,11-3 TO 10) WHERE IT IS MENTIONED THAT 15 NIMISHAS MAKE 1 Kashta,15 kashtas make 1 laghu, 30 laghus make 1 muhurtas and 30 muhurtas make 1 Diva-ratri. A diva Ratri is day-night and 24 hours in modern language. When you convert 2202 YOJANS PER HALF NIMISH INTO SI UNITS YOU FIND IT TURNS OUT TO BE:
    .
    .
    .
    .
    15 Nimish = 1 Kashth
    30 Kashth = 1 Kaal ( 30 * 15 Nimish = 450 Nimish)
    30 Kaal = 1 Muhurt ( 450 * 30 Nimish = 13500 Nimish)
    30 Muhurt = 1 Ahoratr ( 13500 * 30 Nimish = 405000 Nimish)
    1 Ahoratr = 1 Day (24 Hours)
    .
    .
    1 Day = 24 * 60 * 60 Seconds = 86400 Seconds
    .
    86400 Seconds = 405000 Nimish
    .
    1 Second = 4.69 Nimish
    1 Nimish = .214 Second
    .
    .
    .
    If we calculate the distance in metres, from the given data, we come up with 0.9144*8000*4*2202 = 64432281.6 metres
    .
    .
    .
    3X10^8 m/s upto two significant digits a value quite accurate as we know it today
    A nimesa is therefore equal to 16/75 seconds. It does come very close to the correct figure of 186,000 miles per second.”
    REFER TO:
    “ANCIENT HINDU CIVILISATION AND MATHEMATICS-FACEBOOK”

  45. saroj says

    LORD KRISHNA
    “SARVA AKARSHATHI ITHI KRISHNAH”
    MEANS
    “THE ALL ATTRACTIVE ONE IS KRISHNA”
    Apart from spiritual meaning that connects us to lord krishna,
    it has a purely scientific and materialistic explanation.

    THE WORD KRISHNA MEANS BLACK.
    HERE IT IS REFERRED TO AS THE ALL ATTRACTIVE ONE
    MODERN SCIENCE{COSMOLOGY} SHOWS SOMETHING CALLED AS BLACK HOLE WHICH IS “ALL ATTRACTIVE”
    SO, IN SCIENTIFIC AND PHYSICAL POINT OF VIEW,

    THE ALL ATTRACTIVE NATURE OF OUR BELOVED LORD KRISHNA REFERS TO THE NATURE OF THE BLACK HOLE

    AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

  46. saroj says

    ALSO OUR CONCEPT OF THE DASHAAVATHAARA IS NO DUOBT RELATED TO THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION
    THE 10 STAGES OF LORD VISHNU AVATHAR REPRESENTS THE 10 STAGES OF DEVELOPEMENT THE COREECT ORDER. 10 AVATHAARS GIVEN IN THE SRIMAD BHAGAVATHAM….
    HARIHI AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

  47. saroj says

    was the aryan invasion theory true?
    NO NEVER NEVER
    ITS A PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC THEORY TO MAKE INDIANS FIGHT ON RACIAL BASIS
    READ:
    “Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory” By Stephen Knapp

    Death of the Aryan Invasion Theory

    By Stephen Knapp

  48. saroj says

    dear brothers / sisters,

    do u all know that sanskrith, the sacred language of hinduism and the great vedas, the best language for computer software and artificial intelligence?

    for sanskrith and artificial intelligence, visit this link:
    http://www.vedicsciences.net/articles/sanskr...

    “sanskrith is the best language for computer application and software”
    REPORT IN FORBES MAGAZINE, 1986, JULY

  49. saroj says

    here i share with you all some good useful great
    INFORMATIONS

    Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge
    by Swami Visnu

    A vast number of statements and materials presented in the ancient Vedic literatures can be shown to agree with modern scientific findings and they also reveal a highly developed scientific content in these literatures. The great cultural wealth of this knowledge is highly relevant in the modern world.

    Techniques used to show this agreement include:

    • Marine Archaeology of underwater sites (such as Dvaraka)

    • Satellite imagery of the Indus-Sarasvata River system,

    • Carbon and Thermoluminiscence Dating of archaeological artifacts

    • Scientific Verification of Scriptural statements

    • Linguistic analysis of scripts found on archaeological artifacts

    • A Study of cultural continuity in all these categories.

    Introduction
    Early indologists wished to control & convert the followers of Vedic Culture, therefore they widely propagated that the Vedas were simply mythology.

    Max Muller, perhaps the most well known early sanskritist and indologist, although later in life he glorified the Vedas, initially wrote that the “Vedas were worse than savage” and “India must be conquered again by education… it’s religion is doomed”

    Thomas Macaulay, who introduced English education into India wanted to make the residents into a race that was: “Indian in blood and color, but English in taste, in opinion, in morals, and in intellect.”

    However, the German Philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer stated that the Sanskrit understanding of these Indologists was like that of young schoolboys.

    These early Indologists:

    • Devised the Aryan Invasion theory, denying India’s Vedic past

    • They taught that the English educational system is superior

    • They intentionally misinterpreted sanskrit texts to make the Vedas look primitive.

    • And they systematically tried to make Indians ashamed of their own culture

    • Thus the actions of these indologists seems to indicate that they were motivated by a racial bias.

    Innumerable archaeological findings and their analysis have recently brought the Aryan Invasion Theory into serious question. This theory is still taught as fact in many educational systems despite much contrary evidence.

    The Aryan Invasion Theory Defined

    • Vedic Aryans entered India between 1,500 and 1,200 B.C.

    • They conquered the native Dravidian culture by virtue of their superiority due to their horses & iron weapons

    • They Imported the Vedic culture and it’s literatures.

    • This Aryan Invasion Theory, however, deprives the inhabitants of India of their Vedic heritage. The wealth of their culture came from foreign soil.

    The Aryan Invasion Theory raises an interesting dilemna called Frawleys Paradox: On the one hand we have the vast Vedic Literature without any archaeological finds associated with them and on the other hand, we have 2,500 archaeological sites from the Indus-Sarasvata civilization without any literature associated with them.

    A preponderance of contemporary evidence now seems to indicate that these are one and the same cultures. This certainly eliminates this paradox and makes perfect sense, to an unbiased researcher.

    Facts which cast serious doubt on the Aryan Invasion Theory

    • There is no evidence of an Aryan homeland outside of India mentioned anywhere in the Vedas. On the contrary, the Vedas speak of the mighty Sarasvati River and other places indigenous to India. To date, no evidence for a foreign intrusion has been found, neither archaeological, linguistic, cultural nor genetic.

    • There are more than 2,500 Archaeological sites, two-thirds of which are along the recently discovered dried up Sarasvati River bed. These sites show a cultural continuity with the Vedic literature from the early Harrapan civilization up to the present day India.

    The archaeological sites along the dried up Sarasvati River basin are represented by black dots.

    • Several independent studies of the drying up of the Sarasvati River bed, all indicate the same time period of 1,900 B.C.E.

    • The significance of establishing this date for the drying up of the Sarasvati River is, that it pushes the date for the composition of the Rig Veda back to approximately 3,000 B.C.E., as enunciated by the Vedic tradition itself.

    • The late dating of the Vedic literatures by indologists is based on speculated dates of 1,500 B.C.E. for the Aryan Invasion and 1,200 B.C.E. for the Rig Veda, both now disproved by scientific evidence.

    Max Muller, the principal architect of the Aryan Invasion theory, admitted the purely speculative nature of his Vedic chronology, and in his last work published shortly before his death, The Six Systems of Indian Philosophy, he wrote: “Whatever may be the date of the Vedic hymns, whether 15 hundred or 15,000 B.C.E., they have their own unique place and stand by themselves in the literature of the world.”

    The Vedic Culture is indigenous to India

    It can be scientifically proven that the Vedic Culture is indigenous, through archaeology, the study of cultural continuity, by linguistic analysis, and genetic research.

    For example, the language and symbolism found on the Harappan seals are very Vedic. We find the Om symbol, the leaf of the Asvatta or holy banyan tree, as well as the swastika, or sign of auspiciousness, mentioned throughout the Vedas. Om is mentioned in the Mundaka and Katha Upanisads as well as the Bhagavad Gita.

    The Holy Asvatta tree is mentioned in the Aitareya and Satapata Brahmanas as well as the Taittiriya Samhita and Katyayana Smrti.

    The pictoral script of these Harappan seals has been deciphered as consistently Vedic and termed “Proto-brahmi,” as a pre-sanskrit script.

    This piece of pottery from the lowest level of Harappan excavations with pre-harappan writing is deciphered as ila vartate vara, referring to the sacred land bounded by the Sarasvati River, described in the Rig Veda.

    Additionally, other archaeological finds are culturally consistent, such as the dancing girl, whose bracelets are similar to those worn by women of Northwest India today as well as

    the three stone Siva Lingas found in Harappa by M. S. Vats in 1940. The worship of the Siva Linga is mentioned in the Maha Narayana Upanisad of the Yajur Veda and is still ardently practiced today.

    The Vedas were maligned by early indologists because of their disagreement with their Eurocentric colonialists world view, a view which produced and depended on the Aryan Invasion Theory. The fact that the Aryan Invasion Theory has been seriously challenged recently by scholars and indologists, adds credence to the Vedas as viable, accurate and indigenous sources of information.

    Satellite imagery of the Dried Up Sarasvati River Basin

    Using modern scientific methods, such as satellite imagery and dating techniques, it can be shown that the ancient statements of the Vedas are factual, not mythical as erroneously propagated. High resolution satellite images have verified descriptions in The Rig Veda of the descent of the ancient Sarasvati River from it’s source in the Himalayas to the Arabian Sea.

    “Pure in her course from the mountains to the ocean, alone of streams Sarasvati hath listened.”

    The mighty Sarasvati River and it’s civilization are referred to in the Rig Veda more than fifty times, proving that the drying up of the Sarasvati River was subsequent to the origin of the Rig Veda, pushing this date of origin back into antiquity, casting further doubt on the imaginary date for the so-called Aryan Invasion.

    The Satellite image (above) clearly shows the Indus-Sarasvata river system extending from the Himalayas to the Arabian Sea. Here the Indus River is on the left, outlined in blue, while the Sarasvati River basin is outlined in green. The black dots are the many archeological sites or previous settlements along the banks of the now dry Sarasvati River.

    The drying up of the Sarasvati River around 1900 B.C.E. is confirmed archaeologically. Following major tectonic movements or plate shifts in the Earth’s crust, the primary cause of this drying up was due to the capture of the Sarasvati River’s main tributaries, the Sutlej River and the Drishadvati River by other rivers.

    Although early studies, based on limited archaeological evidence produced contradictory conclusions, recent independent studies, such as that of archaeologist James Shaffer in 1993, showed no evidence of a foreign invasion in the Indus Sarasvata civilization and that a cultural continuity could be traced back for millennia.

    In other words, Archaeology does not support the Aryan Invasion Theory.

    Evidence for the Ancient Port City of Dvaraka

    Marine archaeology has also been utilized in India off the coast of the ancient port city of Dvaraka in Gujarat, uncovering further evidence in support of statements in the Vedic scriptures. An entire submerged city at Dvaraka, the ancient port city of Lord Krishna with its massive fort walls, piers, warfs and jetty has been found in the ocean as described in the Mahabharata and other Vedic literatures.

    This sanskrit verse from the Mausala Parva of the Mahabharata, describes the disappearance of the city of Dvaraka into the sea.

    “After all the people had set out, the ocean flooded Dvaraka, which still teemed with wealth of every kind. Whatever portion of land was passed over, the ocean immediately flooded over with its waters.”
    Dr. S. R. Rao, formerly of the Archaeological Survey of India, has pioneered marine archaeology in India. Marine archaeological findings seem to corroborate descriptions in the Mahabharata of Dvaraka as a large, well-fortified and prosperous port city, which was built on land reclaimed from the sea, and later taken back by the sea. This lowering and raising of the sea level during these same time periods of the 15th and 16th centuries B.C.E. is also documented in historical records of the country of Bahrain.

    Amongst the extensive underwater discoveries were the massive Dvaraka city wall, a large door-socket and a bastion from the fort wall.

    Two rock-cut slipways of varying width, extending from the beach to the intertidal zone, a natural harbor, as well as a number of olden stone ship anchors were discovered, attesting to Dvaraka being an ancient port city.

    The three headed motif on this conch-shell seal (above), found in the Dvaraka excavations, corroborates the reference in the scripture Harivamsa that every citizen of Dvaraka should carry a mudra or seal of this type.

    All these underwater excavations add further credibility to the validity of the historical statements found in the Vedic literatures.

    Thirty-five Archaeological Sites in North India

    Apart from Dvaraka, more than thirty-five sites in North India have yielded archaeological evidence and have been identified as ancient cities described in the Mahabharata. Copper utensils, iron, seals, gold & silver ornaments, terracotta discs and painted grey ware pottery have all been found in these sites. Scientific dating of these artifacts corresponds to the non-aryan-invasion model of Indian antiquity.

    Furthermore, the Matsya and Vayu Puranas describe great flooding which destroyed the capital city of Hastinapur, forcing its inhabitants to relocate in Kausambi. The soil of Hastinapur reveals proof of this flooding. Archaeological evidence of the new capital of Kausambi has recently been found which has been dated to the time period just after this flood.

    Kurukshetra

    Similarly, in Kurukshetra, the scene of the great Mahabharata war, Iron arrows and spearheads have been excavated and dated by thermoluminence to 2,800 B.C.E., the approximate date of the war given within the Mahabharata itself.

    The Mahabharata also describes three cities given to the Pandavas, the heroes of the Mahabharata, after their exile:

    Paniprastha, Sonaprastha & Indraprastha, which is Delhi’s Puranaqila. These sites have been identified and yielded pottery & antiquities, which show a cultural consistency & dating consistent for the Mahabharata period, again verifying statements recorded in the Vedic literatures.

    Renowned Thinkers Who Appreciated the Vedic Literatures

    Although early indologists, in their missionary zeal, widely vilified the Vedas as primitive mythology, many of the worlds greatest thinkers admired the Vedas as great repositories of advanced knowledge and high thinking

    Arthur Schopenhauer, the famed German philosopher and writer, wrote that: I “…encounter [in the Vedas] deep, original, lofty thoughts… suffused with a high and holy seriousness.”

    The well-known early American writer Ralph Waldo Emerson, read the Vedas daily. Emerson wrote: “I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavat-Gita”

    Henry David Thoreau said: “In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita… in comparison with which… our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial.”

    So great were Emerson and Thoreau’s appreciation of Vedantic literatures that they became known as the American transcendentalists. Their writings contain many thoughts from Vedic Philosophy.

    Other famous personalities who spoke of the greatness of the Vedas were: Alfred North Whitehead (British mathematician, logician and philosopher), who stated that: “Vedanta is the most impressive metaphysics the human mind has conceived.”

    Julius Robert Oppenheimer, the principle developer of the atomic bomb, stated that “The Vedas are the greatest privilege of this century.” During the explosion of the first atomic bomb, Oppenheimer quoted several Bhagavad-gita verses from the 11th chapter, such as:

    “Death I am, cause of destruction of the worlds…”

    When Oppenheimer was asked if this is the first nuclear explosion, he significantly replied: “Yes, in modern times,” implying that ancient nuclear explosions may have previously occurred.

    Lin Yutang, Chinese scholar and author, wrote that: “India was China’s teacher in trigonometry, quadratic equations, grammar, phonetics… ” and so forth.

    Francois Voltaire stated: “… everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges.”

    From these statements we see that many renowned intellectuals believed that the Vedas provided the origin of scientific thought.

    The Iron Pillar of Delhi

    The Vedic literatures contain descriptions of advanced scientific techniques, sometimes even more sophisticated than those used in our modern technological world.

    Modern metallurgists have not been able to produce iron of comparable quality to the 22 foot high Iron Pillar of Delhi, which is the largest hand forged block of iron from antiquity.

    This pillar stands at mute testimony to the highly advanced scientific knowledge of metallurgy that was known in ancient India. Cast in approximately the 3rd century B.C., the six and a half ton pillar, over two millennia has resisted all rust and even a direct hit by the artillary of the invading army of Nadir Shah during his sacking of Delhi in 1737.

    Vedic Cosmology

    Vedic Cosmology is yet another ancient Vedic science which can be confirmed by modern scientific findings and this is acknowledged by well known scientists and authors, such as Carl Sagan and Count Maurice Maeterlinck, who recognized that the cosmology of the Vedas closely parallels modern scientific findings.

    Carl Sagan stated, “Vedic Cosmology is the only one in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology.”

    Nobel laureate Count Maurice Maeterlinck wrote of: “a Cosmogony which no European conception has ever surpassed.”

    French astronomer Jean-Claude Bailly corroborated the antiquity and accuracy of the Vedic astronomical measurements as “more ancient than those of the Greeks or Egyptians.” And that, “the movements of the stars calculated 4,500 years ago, does not differ by a minute from the tables of today.”

    The ninety foot tall astronomical instrument known as Samrat Yantra, built by the learned King Suwai Jai Singh of Jaipur, measures time to within two seconds per day.

    Cosmology and other scientific accomplishments of ancient India spread to other countries along with mercantile and cultural exchanges. There are almost one hundred references in the Rig Veda alone to the ocean and maritime activity. This is confirmed by Indian historian R. C. Majumdar, who stated that the people of the Indus-Sarasvata Civilization engaged in trade with Sooma and centers of culture in western Asia and Crete.

    The Heliodorus Column and Cultural Links to India

    An example of these exchanges is found in the inscriptions on the Heliodorus Column, erected in 113 B.C.E. by Heliodorus, a Greek ambassador to India, and convert to Vaisnavism, as well as the 2nd century B.C.E. Coins of Agathocles, showing images of Krishna and Balaram. These artifacts stand testimony that Sanatan Dharma predates Christianity.

    This also confirms the link between India and other ancient civilizations such as Greece and shows that there was a continuous exchange of culture, philosophy and scientific knowledge between India & other countries. Indeed the Greeks learned many wonderful things from India.

    Vedic Mathematics

    Voltaire, the famous French writer and philosopher) stated that “Pythagoras went to the Ganges to learn geometry.” Abraham Seidenberg, author of the authoritative “History of Mathematics,” credits the Sulba Sutras as inspiring all mathematics of the ancient world from Babylonia to Egypt to Greece.

    As Voltaire & Seidenberg have stated, many highly significant mathematical concepts have come from the Vedic culture, such as:

    The theorem bearing the name of the Greek mathematician Pythagorus is found in the Shatapatha Brahmana as well as the Sulba Sutra, the Indian mathematical treatise, written centuries before Pythagorus was born.

    The Decimal system, based on powers of ten, where the remainder is carried over to the next column, first mentioned in the Taittiriya Samhita of the Black Yajurveda.

    The Introduction of zero as both a numerical value and a place marker.

    The Concept of infinity.

    The Binary number system, essential for computers, was used in Vedic verse meters.

    A hashing technique, similar to that used by modern search algorithms, such as Googles, was used in South Indian musicology. From the name of a raga one can determine the notes of the raga from this Kathapayadi system. (See Figure at left.)

    For further reading we refer you to this excellent article on Vedic Mathematics.

    Vedic Sound and Mantras

    The Vedas however are not as well known for presenting historical and scientific knowledge as they are for expounding subtle sciences, such as the power of mantras. We all recognize the power of sound itself by it’s effects, which can be quite dramatic. Perhaps we all have seen a high-pitched frequency shatter an ordinary drinking glass. Such a demonstration shows that Loud Sounds can produce substantial reactions

    It is commonly believed that mantras can carry hidden power which can in turn produce certain effects. The ancient Vedic literatures are full of descriptions of weapons being called by mantra. For example, many weapons were invoked by mantra during the epic Kuruksetra War, wherein the Bhagavad-gita itself was spoken.

    The ancient deployment of Brahmastra weapons, equivalent to modern day nuclear weapons are described throughout the Vedic literatures. Additionally, mantras carry hidden spiritual power, which can produce significant benefits when chanted properly. Indeed, the Vedas themselves are sound vibrations in literary form and carry a profound message. Spiritual disciplines recommend meditational practices such as silent meditation, silent recitation of mantras and also the verbal repetition of specific mantras out loud.

    A Clinical Test of the Benefits of Mantra Chanting was performed on three groups of sixty-two subjects, males and females of average age 25. They chanted the Hare Krsna Maha Mantra twenty-five minutes each day under strict clinical supervision.

    Results showed that regular chanting of the Hare Krsna Maha Mantra reduces Stress and depression and helps reduce bad habits & addictions. These results formed a PhD Thesis at Florida State University.

    Spiritual practitioners claim many benefits from Mantra Meditation such as increased realization of spiritual wisdom, inner peace and a strong communion with God and the spiritual realm. These effects may be experienced by following the designated spiritual path.

    Conclusion

    Most of the evidence given in this presentation is for the apara vidya or material knowledge of the Vedic literatures. The Vedas however, are more renowned for their para vidya or spiritual knowledge. And even superior is the realized knowledge of the Vedic rsis or saints — that which is beyond the objective knowledge of modern science — knowledge of the eternal realm of sat, cit ananda, eternality, blissfullness and full knowledge.

  50. saroj says

    ONE MORE SCIENTIFIC FACT
    IN THE VEDAS

    Distance Between Sun and Earth in Rig Veda
    Yoga At The Speed Of Light And The Meaning Of 108
    by Linda Johnsen
    http://www.lovearth.net/108.htm
    It is amazing how much Western science has taught us. Today, for example, kids in grammar school learn that the sun is 93 million miles from the earth and that the speed of light is 186,000 miles per hours. Yoga may teach us about our Higher Self, but it can’t supply this kind of information about physics or astronomy.Or can it?Professor Subhash Kak of Louisiana State University recently called my attention to a remarkable statement by Sayana, a fourteenth century Indian scholar. In his commentary on a hymn in the Rig Veda, the oldest and perhaps most mystical text ever composed in India, Sayana has this to say: “With deep respect, I bow to the sun, who travels 2,202 yojanas in half a nimesha.”A yojana is about nine American miles; a nimesha is 16/75 of a second. Mathematically challenged readers, get out your calculators!2,202 yojanas x 9 miles x 75 – 8 nimeshas = 185,794 m.p.s.Basically, Sayana is saying that sunlight travels at 186,000 miles per second! How could a Vedic scholar who died in 1387 A.D. have known the correct figure for the speed of light? If this was just a wild guess it’s the most amazing coincidence in the history of science!The yoga tradition is full of such coincidences. Take for instance the mala many yoga students wear around their neck. Since these rosaries are used to keep track of the number of mantras a person is repeating, students often ask why they have 108 beads instead of 100. Part of the reason is that the mala represent the ecliptic, the path of the sun and moon across the sky. Yogis divide the ecliptic into 27 equal sections called nakshatras, and each of these into four equal sectors called padas, or “steps,” marking the 108 steps that the sun and moon take through heaven.Each is associated with a particular blessing force, with which you align yourself as you turn the beads.Traditionally, yoga students stop at the 109th “guru bead,” flip the mala around in their hand, and continue reciting their mantra as they move backward through the beads. The guru bead represents the summer and winter solstices, when the sun appears to stop in its course and reverse directions. In the yoga tradition we learn that we’re deeply interconnected with all of nature. Using a mala is a symbolic way of connecting ourselves with the cosmic cycles governing our universe.But Professor Kak points out other coincidences: The distance between the earth and the sun is approximately 108 times the sun’s diameter. The diameter of the sun is about 108 times the earth’s diameter. And the distance between the earth and the moon is 108 times the moon’s diameter.Could this be the reason the ancient sages considered 108 such a sacred number? If the microcosm (us) mirrors the macrocosm (the solar system), then maybe you could say there are 108 steps between our ordinary human awareness and the divine light at the center of our being. Each time we chant another mantra as our mala beads slip through our fingers, we are taking another step toward our own inner sun.As we read through ancient Indian texts, we find so much the sages of antiquity could not possibly have known-but did. While our European and Middle Eastern ancestors claimed that the universe was created about 6,000 years ago, the yogis have always maintained that our present cosmos is billions of years old, and that it’s just one of many such universes which have arisen and dissolved in the vastness of eternity.In fact the Puranas, encyclopedias of yogic lore thousands of years old, describe the birth of our solar system out of a “milk ocean,” the Milky Way. Through the will of the Creator, they tell us, a vortex shaped like a lotus arose from the navel of eternity. It was called Hiranya Garbha, the shining womb. It gradually coalesced into our world, but will perish some day billions of years hence when the sun expands to many times it present size, swallowing all life on earth. In the end, the Puranas say, the ashes of the earth will be blown into space by the cosmic wind. Today we known this is a scientifically accurate, if poetic, description of the fate of our planet.The Surya Siddhanta is the oldest surviving astronomical text in the Indian tradition. Some Western scholars date it to perhaps the fifth or sixth centuries A.D., though the text itself claims to represent a tradition much, much older. It explains that the earth is shaped like a ball, and states that at the very opposite side of the planet from India is a great city where the sun is rising at the same time it sets in India. In this city, the Surya Siddhanta claims, lives a race of siddhas, or advanced spiritual adepts. If you trace the globe of the earth around to the exact opposite side of India, you’ll find Mexico. Is it possible that the ancient Indians were well aware of the great sages/astronomers of Central America many centuries before Columbus discovered America?Knowing the unknowableTo us today it seems impossible that the speed of light or the fate of our solar system could be determined without advanced astronomical instruments. How could the writers of old Sanskrit texts have known the unknowable? In searching for an explanation we first need to understand that these ancient scientists were not just intellectuals, they were practicing yogis. The very first lines of the Surya Siddhanta, for of the Golden Age a great astronomer named Maya desired to learn the secrets of the heavens, so he first performed rigorous yogic practices. Then the answers to his questions appeared in his mind in an intuitive flash.Does this sound unlikely? Yoga Sutra 3:26-28 states that through, samyama (concentration, meditation, and unbroken mental absorption) on the sun, moon, and pole star, we can gain knowledge of the planets and stars. Sutra 3:33 clarifies, saying: “Through keenly developed intuition, everything can be known.” Highly developed intuition is called pratibha in yoga. It is accessible only to those who have completely stilled their mind, focusing their attention on one object with laser-like intensity. Those who have limited their mind are no longer limited to the fragments of knowledge supplied by the five senses. All knowledge becomes accessible to them.”There are [those] who would say that consciousness, acting on itself, can find universal knowledge,” Professor Kak admits. “In fact this is the traditional Indian view.”Perhaps the ancient sages didn’t need advanced astronomical instruments. After all, they had yoga.Source: http://www.yimag.org/

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  51. Indian Agnostic says

    The promise of Vedic Rituals – a promise well kept !

    Unknown to most Indians(thanks to adharmic news channels blacking out the event) , a great vedic ritual was conducted in Kerala where scientists from across the world had gathered too.

    here’s what calcuttanews reported about the promise of the e vent on 13th April ,2011

    http://www.calcuttanews.net/story/768501/ht/Age-old-Kerala-fire-ritual-a-natural-purifier

    The spotlight is on the confluence of science and the Vedas at the 4,000-year-old ritual of ‘athirathram’ - fire invocation – in the village of Panjal in Kerala’s Thrissur district. Scientists are trying to establish that the ancient Vedic ritual is a natural purifier of air, soil and micro-biological life – impacting plants, animals and man – through an extensive network of research in the lush village and in neighbouring Kochi.

    The 12-day ritual started April 4.

    The scientist is also looking into the phenomenon of ‘local rain’ that the ritual brings in its wake on the last day when the ‘marquee and the hearth’ are set on fire.

    ‘The particulate matter goes up into the atmosphere, generates convection and condenses into rain,’ he said.

    and here’s the proof of the pudding …reported on 16th april (in ablog with pics) at http://sandeepvarma.com/ ..It did rain !

    “With a few minutes to spare for the yagashala to be set on fire, there was a heavy downpour in Panjal. Lakhs of people who had gathered to witness the ritual cheered and clapped. A few minutes later, the other rites were concluded and the yagashala was set on fire.”

    “While Pyramids, temples, cathedrals and skyscrapers were built and fell into decay, languages and religions came and went, and inumerable wars were fought, the vedas and their ritual continued to be transmitted by word of mouth, from teacher to pupil, and from father to son. What a triumph of human spirit over the limitation of matter and physical body….”
    -Frits Staal, professor of philosophy and South Asian Languages at the University of California, Berkeley.

      • Indian Agnostic says

        TY, brother Roger

        thankfully , google god ;) helped in finding the picture blog of mr Sandeep Varma , where one can atleast see glimpses of the ritual.

        thanks to the internet age, we don’t have to depend entirely on mainstream media :)

          • Indian Agnostic says

            Namaste Roger bro

            they chose this village as the previous 4 atirathrams were conducted there under foreign poeple’s observation her only .as per my knowledge, Frits Staal was the person who organised the first one.

            It;s just that they change the location within the village everytime.Interestingly , the location wher the first ritual was done is FREE FROM MICROBES since the LAST 50 YEARS!! :)

  52. saroj says

    Scientists from NASA will join hands with Vedic scholars to explore mysteries of ancient Indian cosmology at a Vedic planetarium about 100 km from Kolkata, once the initiative of Alfred Brush Ford, scion of the US automobile giant Ford, bears fruit.
    Planned at Mayapur, an ancient seat of Vaishnavism and global headquarters of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), the planetarium forms part of a Rs 283- crore economic initiative by Ford, an ISKCON devotee.

    Ford’s company, ABF International, will promote the project along with a village industries park and a tourism hospitality complex at Mayapur visited by lakhs of tourists each year from India and abroad.

    “This will be unique project showcasing the scientific evidence on ancient cosmological descriptions of space. We have conducted a series of research and found that the distance between planets, as mentioned in Vedic cosmology, are profoundly accurate with the findings of modern studies,” said ABF International senior vice-president Alister Taylor recalling that Mayapur was a famous seat of scientific and cultural learning in medieval Bengal, he said, “through our research, we realised that something very interesting (cosmological studies) was happening here.”

    “At the planetarium’s research centre, we will have NASA scientists explaining the contributions of Vedic cosmology to the study of today’s space science. There will be regular symposia on the subject by astro-physicists,” Taylor said.

    Taylor said ABF International has formed three different entities to take up the Vedic planetarium, the village industries park and the tourism hospitality complex projects.

    While the 22-acre Vedic planetarium project will be undertaken by Mayapur project society, a charitable body, work for the village industries park will be taken up by Mayapur Village Industries Park Pvt Ltd. The Mayapur Tourism Development Pvt Ltd will be responsible for the tourism hospitality complex.

    According to ABF International director John Robert Sims, the 19.9-acre village industries park has been conceived as an integrated area to provide physical infrastructure, world-class engineering and technological inputs, common facilities. Human resource development and platform to all productions units.

    It will have units like local handicrafts, sculpture, terracotta manufacturing and handlooms for cotton, jute and silk products, earthen products, organic food processing zones, fruits and vegetables, milk and dairy products, chilling plants, cold storages, packaged drinking water including bottling plant, multi-commodity raw material, finished goods and warehouses.

    The hospitality tourism complex, spread over 19.2 acre, will have 700 high-end hotel rooms, 2,700 middle-standard rooms and 6,700 lower-end rooms, besides other hospitality facilities.

    “The area now has about one-and-half million visitors annually. Once the facilities come up, this will go up to three million,” Taylor said.

    http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php%3F...
    REFER TO THIS

  53. saroj says

    GOLDEN RATIO IN VEDAS
    I wanted to find out what relevance the Golden Ratio had to India and Hinduism, and I did find something interesting. Many of you would have come across the Sri Yantra, an object of meditation that finds place in Puja Rooms:

    Now, Sri Yantras are formed by 9 interlocking isoceles triangles. 4 of them point upwards and represent the female energy Shakti, while the other 5 point downwards, representing the male energy Shiva. These triangles are not ordinarily composed, but have aspects of the Golden Ratio in them. Just as we can have rectangles drawn to the specifications of the Golden Ratio, triangles too can have their properties.

    Triangles have 3 variates: The base length, the slant length and the height. The angle also plays a major role. What is amazing is that the triangle of the Yantra is a proportionate cross-section of the Giza Pyramid, incorporating both special numbers pi (3.142…) and phi (1.618…) ratio. And the base angle of the triangle in the Yantra is seen to be around 51 degrees, the same value that was attributed to the base of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

    The standard form of the Sriyantra, with the 9 interwoven triangles, constitutes a total of 43 triangles. Different versions have circles and squares surrounding the triangles, and they are said to form the boundary within which Gods residing in the intersections can stay. The centre of the Yantra has a Bindu (dot), which is the focus of the way you can meditate. You can either start from the inside and move out, or do it vice versa. The former is seen to be a constructive view, while the latter a destructive one.

    The Sriyantra might look a fairly simple design, but the construction is a highly complex affair. There are innumerous intersections that take place between the lines of the 9 triangles, and these cuts are supposed to be concurrent. Thus, changing the position of any one shape will require adjustments in all the corresponding figures. If the intersection of the lines does not happen at a particular point, the concurrency is lost, and so is the significance. There is a lot for research going on to find out the true meaning of the Sri Yantra. Some consider it the primordial source of life, and there was a finding about how it was a manifestation of the DNA form, etc. also

    Now, there is another separate reference to the Golden Ratio in connection with Kuber, the God of Wealth. It is said that Lord Kuber’s treasure, the most prized collection of wealth in the universe, is hidden inside the mystical Mt.Meru. This is guarded by Nagas, or serpents. Now, Mt.Meru is also the name given to a special triangle formed by the ancient mathematician Pingala, and is called MaatraMeru. And this triangle is today called the Pascal’s triangle, which some of you might be familiar with:

    What is of interest (as you will observe in the above figure) is that when you move diagonally upwards starting from the first digit on each line and sum the corresponding digits along each diagonal, you end up getting the numbers of the Fibonacci series, which in-turn are in the Golden ratio. Thus, it can be inferred that our ancient texts give special importance and reverence to this “divine ratio”, forming it the basis of how one reaches the treasure of the Gods.

    • says

      Dear Saroj,

      Thank you for contribution on various topic on ancient knowledge. Golden Ratio is arise from the first interaction between two elemental units in space (which is not vacuum as currant scientific understanding due to its non detectable characteristics of space in balance state) which is a first displacement & key to understand further as nature is govern through PHO state of dynamic space. Simultaneous phase of event in nature is not detectable while sequential phase is detectable and both simultaneous and sequential phase bridged by resonance . One is not authority of any kind so please investigate & explore Sankhya(logic of counting) based on numerical axioms( which can not be invented or disproved) perhaps has all that human mind can explore at deepest level. Explore numerical understanding where all values are dimensionless ratio with absolute precision at http://www.kapillavastu.com

  54. saroj says

    AIRPLANES IN VEDAS
    “The ancient Hindus could navigate the air, and not only navigate it but fight battles in it like so many war-eagles, combating for the domination of the clouds. To be so perfect in aeronautics they must have known all the arts and sciences relating to the science, including the strata and currents of the atmosphere, the relative temperature, humidity, density and specific gravity of the various gases…..” – Col. Olcott in a lecture in Allahabad in 1881.

    The Rig Veda, the oldest document of the human race includes references to the following modes of transportation: Jalayan – a vehicle designed to operate in air and water (Rig Veda 6.58.3); Kaara- a vehicle that operates on ground and in water. (Rig Veda 9.14.1); Tritala- a vehicle consisting of three stories. (Rig Veda 3.14.1); Trichakra Ratha – a three-wheeled vehicle designed to operate in the air. (Rig Veda 4.36.1); Vaayu Ratha- a gas or wind-powered chariot. (Rig Veda 5.41.6); Vidyut Ratha- a vehicle that operates on power. (Rig Veda 3.14.1).

    Ancient Sanskrit literature is full of descriptions of flying machines – Vimanas. From the many documents found it is evident that the scientist-sages Agastya and Bharadwaja had developed the lore of aircraft construction.

    The “Agastya Samhita” gives us Agastya`s descriptions of two types of aeroplanes. The first is a “chchatra” (umbrella or balloon) to be filled with hydrogen. The process of extracting hydrogen from water is described in elaborate detail and the use of electricity in achieving this is clearly stated. This was stated to be a primitive type of plane, useful only for escaping from a fort when the enemy had set fire to the jungle all around. Hence the name, “Agniyana”. The second type of aircraft mentioned is somewhat on the lines of the parachute. It could be opened and shut by operating chords. This aircraft has been described as “vimanadvigunam” i.e. of a lower order than the regular aeroplane.

    Aeronautics or Vaimaanika Shastra is a part of Yantra Sarvasva of Bharadwaja. This is also known as Brihadvimaana Shastra. Vaimaanikashastra deals about aeronautics, including the design of aircraft, the way they can be used for transportation and other applications, in detail. The knowledge of aeronautics is described in Sanskrit in 100 sections, eight chapters, 500 principles and 3000 slokas. Great sage Bharadwaja explained the construction of aircraft and way to fly it in air, on land, on water and use the same aircraft like a sub-marine. He also described the construction of war planes and fighter aircraft.

    Vaimaanika Shastra explains the metals and alloys and other required material, which can be make an aircraft imperishable in any condition. Planes which will not break (abhedya), or catch fire (adaahya) and which cannot be cut (achchedya) have been described. Along with the treatise there are diagrams of three types of aeroplanes – “Sundara”, “Shukana” and “Rukma”.

    The aircraft is classified into three types- Mantrika, Tantrika and Kritaka, to suit different yugas or eras. In kritayuga, it is said, Dharma was well established. The people of that time had the devinity to reach any place using their Ashtasiddhis. The aircraft used in Tretayuga are called Mantrikavimana, flown by the power of hymns (mantras). Twenty-five varieties of aircraft including Pushpaka Vimana belong to this era. The aircraft used in Dwaparayuga were called Tantrikavimana, flown by the power of tantras. Fifty six varieties of aircraft including Bhairava and Nandaka belong to this era. The aircraft used in Kaliyuga, the on-going yuga, are called Kritakavimana, flown by the power of engines. Twenty-five varieties of aircraft including “Sundara”, “Shukana” and “Rukma” belong to this era.

    Bharadwaja states that there are thirty-two secrets of the science of aeronautics. Of these some are astonishing and some indicate an advance even beyond our own times. For instance the secret of “para shabda graaha”, i.e. a cabin for listening to conversation in another plane, has been explained by elaborately describing an electrically worked sound-receiver that did the trick. Manufacture of different types of instruments and putting them together to form an aircraft are also described.

    It appears that aerial warfare was also not unknown, for the treatise gives the technique of “shatru vimana kampana kriya” and “shatru vimana nashana kriya” i.e. shaking and destroying enemy aircraft, as well as photographing enemy planes, rendering their occupants unconscious and making one`s own plane invisible.

    In Vastraadhikarana, the chapter describing the dress and other wear required while flying, talks in detail about the wear for both the pilot and the passenger separately.

    Ahaaraadhikarana is yet another section exclusively dealing with the food habits of a pilot. This has a variety of guidelines for pilots to keep their health through strict diet.

    Bhardwaja also provides a bibliography. He had consulted six treatises by six different authors previous to him and he gives their names and the names of their works in the following order : Vimana Chandrika by Narayanamuni; Vyoma Yana Mantrah by Shaunaka; Yantra Kalpa by Garga; Yana Bindu by Vachaspati; Kheta Yaana Pradeepika by Chaakraayani; Vyoma Yaanarka Prakasha by Dundi Natha.

    As before Bharadwaja, after him too there have been Sanskrit writers on aeronautics and there were four commentaries on his work. The names of the commentators are Bodh Deva, Lalla, Narayana Shankha and Vishwambhara.

    Evidence of existence of aircrafts are also found in the Arthasastra of Kautilya (c. 3rd century B.C.). Kautilya mentions amongst various tradesmen and technocrats the Saubhikas as `pilots conducting vehicles in the sky`. Saubha was the name of the aerial flying city of King Harishchandra and the form `Saubika` means `one who flies or knows the art of flying an aerial city`. Kautilya uses another significant word `Akasa Yodhinah`, which has been translated as `persons who are trained to fight from the sky.` The existence of aerial chariots, in whatever form it might be, was so well-known that it found a place among the royal edicts of the Emperor Asoka which were executed during his reign from 256 B.C. – 237 B. C.

    It is interesting to note that the Academy of Sanskrit Research in Melkote, near Mandya, had been commissioned by the Aeronautical Research Development Board, New Delhi, to take up a one-year study, ‘Non-conventional approach to Aeronautics’, on the basis of Vaimanika Shastra. As a result of the research, a glass-like material which cannot be detected by radar has been developed by Prof Dongre, a research scholar of Benaras Hindu University. A plane coated with this unique material cannot be detected using radar. (Did You Know this? http://www.indpride.com/didyouknow.html)

    But perhaps the most interesting thing, about the Indian science of aeronautics and Bharadwaja`s research in the field was that they were successfully tested in actual practice by an Indian over hundred years ago. In 1895, full eight years before the Wright Brothers` first flight at Kitty hawk, North Carolina, USA, Shivkar Bapuji Talpade and his wife gave a thrilling demonstration flight on the Chowpatty beach in Mumbai.

    An even more astonishing feature of Talpade’s aircraft was the power source he used- An Ion Engine. The theory of the Ion Engine has been credited to Robert Goddard, long recognized as the father of Liquid-fuel Rocketry. It is claimed that in 1906, long before Goddard launched his first modern rocket, his imagination had conceived the idea of an Ion rocket. But the fact is that not only had the idea of an Ion Engine been conceived long before Dr Goddard, it had also been materialized in the form of Talpade’s aircraft.

    Mr. Talpade, a resident of Mumbai, was an erudite scholar of Sanskrit literature, especially of the Vedas, an inventor and a teacher in the School of Arts. His deep study of the Vedas led him to construct an aeroplane in conformity with descriptions of aircraft available in the Vedas and he displayed it in an exhibition arranged by the Bombay Art Society in the Town Hall. Its proving the star attraction of the exhibition encouraged its maker to go deeper into the matter and see if the plane could be flown with the aid of mercurial pressure. For the one hundred and ninetieth “richa” (verse) of the Rig Veda and the aeronautical treatise of Bharadwaja mention that flying machines came into full operation when the power of the sun`s rays, mercury and another chemical called “Naksha rassa” were blended together. This energy was, it seems, stored in something like an accumulator or storage batteries. The Vedas refer to eight different engines in the plane and Bharadwaja adds that they are worked by electricity.

    Mr. Talpade carried on his research along these lines and constructed an aeroplane. In his experiments he was aided by his wife, also a deep scholar of the Vedic lore, and an architect friend. The plane combined the constructional characteristics of both “Pushpaka” and “Marut Sakha”, the sixth and eighth types of aircraft described by Bharadwaja. It was named “Marut Sakha” meaning “Friend of the Wind”.

    With this plane this pioneer airman of modern India gave a demonstration flight on the Chowpatty Beach in Mumbai in the year 1895. The machine attained a height of about 1500 feet and then automatically landed safely. The flight was witnessed, among many others, by Sir Sayajirao Gaekwad, the Maharaja of Baroda and Justice Govind Ranade and was reported in “The Kesari” a leading Marathi daily newspaper. They were impressed by the feat and rewarded the talented inventor.

    Unfortunately Talpade lost interest in things after his wife`s death, and after his own death in 1917 at the age of 53 his relatives sold the machine to Rally Brothers, a leading British exporting firm then operating in Mumbai. Thus the first ever attempt at flying in modern India, undertaken and made successful by an Indian, in a plane of Indian manufacture and built to Indian scientific specifications, slid into the limbo of oblivion.

  55. saroj says

    LOST GLORIUS CITY OF LORD SRI KRISHNA-THE ETERNAL BLISSFULL DWAARAKA FOUND OUT

    ONE IMPORTANT NOTE :
    ARYAN INVASION THEORY IS DEBUNKED BY STRONG EVIDENCE

    For thousands of years, we Indians have believed in the divinity of Shri Krishna. For us he was a Karmayogi par excellence who gave us action oriented philosophy of life in the form of Bhagavad Gita. But questions have constantly haunted us as to whether Shri Krishna was a historical character or is a mythical character and whether war of Mahabharata was actually fought or was it great poet Vyasa’s imagination.

    Till recent past we did not have the wherewithal to search for and establish the truth. But modern scientific tools and techniques like computers with planetarium softwares, advancements in archaeological and marine archaeological techniques, earth-sensing satellite photography and thermoluminescence dating methods, all have made it possible to establish the authenticity and dating of many events narrated in ancient texts like Mahabharata. Recent archaeo-astronomical studies, results of marine-archaeological explorations and overwhelming archaeological evidence have established the historicity and dating of many events narrated in the epic Mahabharata. These have led to the conclusion that Mahabharata War was actually fought in 1478 BC and Shri Krishna’s Dwarka City got submerged under the sea in 1443 BC.

    Astronomical Evidence – In the Mahabharata references to sequential solar and lunar eclipses as also references to some celestial observations have been made. Dr. R.N.Iyengar, the great scientist of Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore examined relevant references and searched for the compatible dates by making use of planetarium software (PVIS and EZC). He concluded that most of these references were internally consistent and that the eclipses and celestial observations of Mahabharata belong to the period 1493 BC – 1443 BC of Indian History. (refer Indian Journal of History of Science/38.2/2003/77-115).

    In the Mahabharata there are references to three sequential solar eclipses and to some other planetary positions. Reference to the first solar eclipse comes in the Sabha Parva (79.29), graphically described by Vidur when Pandavas start their journey to the forest on being banished for 12 years of life in exile and one year of life incognito after they had lost everything in the game of dice. After 13 years of exile and incognito life, Pandavas came back to Hastinapur and they demanded their kingdom back but Duryodhana refused. Several efforts to prevent war failed and war became imminent. There is a reference to the second solar eclipse in the Bhisma Parva (3.29), following a lunar eclipse occurring within the same fortnight a few days before the actual war of Mahabharata. These eclipses occurred after 14-15 years of the first solar eclipse The epic also refers to some unfavourable planetary positions between the second solar eclipse and the beginning of the war on Kartika Purnima (Bhisma Parva 3.14 to 3.19). On Kartika Krishna Ashtami, Saturn was near Rohini and Mars was between Jayestha and Anuradha. Twenty two days later, on Kartika Purnima, Saturn was near Rohini, Mars was near Jayestha, a rough planet (probably uranus) was between Citra and Swati. Another white planet (possibly Jupiter) had moved from Purva-bhadra to Uttar-bhadra. Reference to the third solar eclipse comes in the Mausala Parva (2.19 to 2.20) occurring in the 36th year of the Mahabharata War. This was visible from the city of Dwarka which is stated to have been subsequently submerged under the sea. For these observations to be internally consistent, there should had been three solar eclipses within a period of 50 years. The first one and the second one after a gap of 14-15 years should have been visible from Kurukshetra whereas the third solar eclipse should have been visible from Dwarka after 35 years of the second one.

    From references to these eclipses and celestial observations Dr. Iyengar prepared the list of compatible dates and concluded that these eclipses alongwith the stated planetary positions were observable during the period 1493 BC – 1443 BC because the planetarium software shows that:

    (i) On 19.3.1493 BC there was solar eclipse visible from Kurukshetra.

    (ii) After about 15 years, on 1st June, 1478 BC, there was a solar eclipse visible from Kurukshetra which was preceded by a lunar eclipse during the same fortnight on 16th May 1478 BC.

    (iii) About 3 months later, there was Kartika Krishna Ashtami on 20.9.1478 BC when Saturn was near Rohini (in Bhar-Kritika) and Mars was between Jayestha and Anuradha.

    (iv) Three weeks later, on 12.10.1478 BC, there was Kartika Purnima when the war actually started. On that day, Saturn was still near Rohini (as it actually moved from Bhar Kritt to Rohini between 1.6.1478 BC to 10.11.1478 BC). Mars was near Jayestha. Uranus, which probably is referred to as rough planet, was between Citra and Swati. Jupiter had moved from Purva-bhadra to Uttar-bhadra on 12.10.1478 BC.

    (v) In the 36th year after Mahabharata war in October 1478 BC, a solar eclipse could be seen from Dwarka on 7.1.1443 BC.

    Thus as per archaeo-astronomical calculations, Mahabharata War was fought in 1478 BC and Dwarka City got submerged in 1443 BC. These conclusions arrived at are corroborated by marine archeologists, archeologists as well as by the historians who have analysed the genealogy charts of rulers given in Puranas.

    Marine Archaeological explorations around Dwarka – The on-shore and off-shore explorations carried out in and around Dwarka during last 50 years have revealed that Dwarka was a prosperous city in ancient times which was destroyed and reconstructed several times. The work of great excavators like Shri Z.D.Ansari and Shri M.S.Mate and chance discovery of temples of 9th century AD and 1st century AD buried near the present Dwarkadhish Temple prompted setting of a Marine Archaeology Centre jointly by National Institute of Oceanography (NIO) and Archaeological Survey of India (ASI). A project for marine archaeological explorations in Dwarka was initiated under the dynamic leadership of great marine archaeologist Dr. S.R.Rao who has the distinction of being awarded “The World Ship Trust Award” for outstanding research done in this field.

    Dr. S.R.Rao’s team consisted of expert under-water explorers, trained diver-photographers and experienced archaeologists. The technique of geophysical survey was combined with the use of echo-sounders, mud-penetrators, sub-bottom profilers and under-water metal detectors. This team carried out twelve marine archaeological expeditions between the year 1983 to 1992 AD and articles/antiquities recovered were sent to Physical Research Laboratory for dating. By using thermoluminescence, carbon dating and other modern scientific techniques, artifacts were found to be belonging to the period 15th century BC to 18th century BC. In his great work “The Lost City of Dwarka”, Dr. S.R.Rao has given graphic and scientific details of these discoveries and artifacts. He has concluded that:

    (i) The land for building the city of Dwarka had been reclaimed from the sea between 16th to 15th century BC and a fortified city was built on boulder packing with outer gateway to the sea and inner gateway to Gomti river. This corroborates the references in the Epic Mahabharata as per which Dwarka city was built by Shri Krishna after reclaiming the land from the sea and it was built only a few years before the Game of Dice in 1493 BC.

    (ii) The thermoluminescence dating of lustrous Redware Pottery items found during explorations revealed that these were 3520 years old i.e. around 16th-15th century BC.

    (iii) The most famous rectangular seal with engraved motifs of bull, unicorn and goat found in trench UW6 in the sea bed was dated as belonging to 16th century BC. The seal corroborates the references made in the ancient manuscripts that every citizen of Dwarka was required to carry a mudra(seal) as a mark of identification.

    3 animal headed mudra, votive jar and copper bell
    (iv) A copper bell and a copper lota, brass-items including U-shaped objects with holes at both ends and a bronze bell, all were dated as belonging to 15th century BC. Stone anchors with double holes and triangular prismatic stone anchors recovered from under the sea were similar to the ones found in Lothal excavations belonging to 23rd century BC.

    (v) A votive jar with seven characters inscribed was found. Reading based on Semitic-Indus-Phonetic value revealed that script is old Indo-Aryan and similar to the other Indus seal inscriptions. The date assigned to this votive jar and inscriptions is 15th-14th century BC.

    (vi) Three iron nails and a stake, four potsherds and one small bottle of iron were dated 16th-15th century BC indicating limited use of iron.

    Thus, conclusions arrived at after carrying out these under-water archaeological explorations support and validate the dates arrived at through astronomical calculations. These also prove that the reconstructed city of Dwarka was a prosperous port town and that it was in existence for about 60-70 years in the 15th century BC before being submerged under the sea in the year 1443 BC.

    artist’s view based on marine archaeological reports and sumerged wall

    Other Archaeological excavations – Most of the cities referred to in Mahabharata e.g.Mathura, Hastinapur, Indraprastha, Kurukshetra and Dwarka were situated in the territories which are at present known as Haryana, Punjab, Delhi, UP, Rajasthan and Gujarat. Extensive excavations carried out in these areas have shown that Indus Civilization flourished in these areas between 3400-1500 BC. The excavations carried out in Lothal in Gujarat have proved the existence of very advanced civilization between 2300 BC to 1600 BC. The town was divided into the dock, the arcopolis and the industrial, commercial, residential sectors. Artifacts recovered include gold jewellery and copper utensils. Archaeological surveys at Kalibhangan in Rajasthan have identified the existence of a planned fortified city between 2500-1700 BC. Artifacts excavated include baked bricks, semi precious stones, copper and bronze articles. Photographs taken by American earth-sensing satellite known as Landsat have confirmed that the river Saraswati described in the Rigveda as flowing from the “mountain to the sea” was indeed a great river before 2000 BC. Archaeological explorations on the ancient beds of the Saraswati e.g. at Kunal near Kurukshetra and at Banawali in Punjab have confirmed the existence of highly advanced civilisation during 3400-1500 BC. Artifacts excavated include silver jewellery and articles made of copper and bronze. Taken as a whole archaeological excavations establish the continuous evolution of Sindhu-Saraswati civilisation between 3400-1500 BC culminating in the Mahabharata period. The inhabitants of all the excavated places had similar ethnic features, spoke similar languages, followed similar religious rites which were vedic in nature, knew about horse and rice, had advanced knowledge of mathematics, made extensive use of copper and had discovered the use of iron. These discoveries match with the details in the Epic as also with the belief of the historians that the use of iron was discovered in India in 16th century BC. The War of Mahabharata acted as a watershed, putting an end to the ‘copper age’ and ushering in the ‘iron age’ in 15th century BC. Archaeological excavations thus support the conclusion that Mahabharata War was fought in 1478 BC.

    Attempts have also been made to determine the year of Mahabharata War from the details available in scriptures and ancient texts which include Puranas. When events are unrecorded for quite some time and they are passed on to the succeeding generations through Shruti and Smriti traditions, the inaccuracies and myths get mixed with reality on account of differences in the perceptions of different individuals. However, it is for the objective rational individual mind to find out and differentiate facts from fictions. Important informations, including the genealogy charts of rulers after Yudhishtira, are available in Srimad Bhagvatam, Matsya Puran and Vayu Purana. On the basis of such evidence, famous historian Lord Cunningham assigned the year 1424 BC to the War of Mahabharata. Another historian Shri S.B.Roy in his work ‘Date of Mahabharata Battle’ also arrived at the same conclusion by combining the literary and the astronomical route.

    All these are very important pieces of evidence which prove that epic Mahabharata is not merely a myth but is history and its central character Shri Krishna was a man with extra-ordinary abilities, around whom legends were built over the years. The common man started having faith in the divinity of this Supreme Hero, who for them is God incarnate.

    After knowing all this, there can be no doubt in the mind of any rational person that what has been taught to us in our school history books is not all correct. As per our history books, Aryans came to India from Central Asia in their war Chariots in 15th century BC. They defeated and destroyed the natives who were “aboriginal savages” . According to this theory both the Vedas and the Sanskrit language were brought into India by these Aryan invaders. The most influential proponents of this theory were Max Muller and William Jones who were linguists and they arrived at this conclusion on being struck by the affinities between Sanskrit and European languages.This theory is not supported by any archaeological, physical or scientific evidence. When subsequently archaeological excavations at more than 1100 sites scattered all over major parts of India proved beyond doubt the existence of flourishing Indus civilization during 3400 BC to 1500 BC then the proponents of Aryan invasion theory reacted by suggesting that the invading Aryans had defeated the ‘Dravidian inhabitants’ of the Indus valley, least realising that such theoretical assumption would change the character of invading Aryans from bringers of civilisation to destroyers of great civilisation and culture developed by the native Indians.

    The four sets of evidences referred to earlier point more to the probability that nobody had come to India from Central Asia or from any other place. In fact, Indo-Aryan, kings and warriors had come to Kurukshetra in their war Chariots from all over India to participate in the Mahabharata War and that a whole lot of people got killed in that war. The killers as well as the killed, the victors as well as the vanquished, the charioteers as well as the foot soldiers, all were Indians who had already experienced thousands of years of prosperous and advanced civilisation. Archaeology also records a continuous indigenous evolution of vedic civilisation going back to 5000 BC at sites like Mehrgarh and Koldi. It is sad that, so far we have not known even a fraction about our ancient civilization and cultural achievements. Detailed factual data in our ancient texts and sanskrit manuscripts is beckoning us to carry out further researches. By making use of most modern scientific instruments and techniques we must discover the true facts about our most ancient past. If we do that, we may be able to gather supportive evidences to reassert that ours was the oldest civilisation in the world that flourished in India and that our ancestors i.e. vedic Aryans had travelled from India to various parts of Asia and Europe to spread our knowledge, civilisation and culture. When this is recorded we would be able to hold our heads higher and will be able to take on the future with greater confidence.

  56. Andracottus says

    I find this article very supportive…..But i found quite a lot of references to scientific errors in the vedas in another site…

    http://truthofhinduism.com/science/analysing-science-vedas/

    please tell me if these references to Astronomical errors are false….here are a few examples from the site

    Atharva Veda 12.1.17 Kind, ever gracious be the Earth we tread on, the firm [fixed] Earth, Prithivi, borne up by Order…
    Yajur Veda 1.17, Atharva Veda 11.5.1 Firm art thou. Make earth fix. For the foe’s slaughter I set thee on…
    Rig Veda 2.11.7, 5.58.7 …The earth hath spread herself in all her fulnes
    Rig Veda 4.17.4 Thy Father Dyaus esteemed himself a hero: most noble was the work of Indra’s Maker, His who begat the strong bolt’s Lord who roareth, immovable like earth from her foundation.
    Yajur Veda 5.g16 pastures, fair to do men service. Both these worlds, Vishnu, hast thou stayed asunder, and firmly fixed the earth with pegs around it.
    Rig Veda 3.30.4 …For him who followeth thy Law the mountains and heaven and earth stand as if firmly stablished
    Atharva Veda 20.34.2 God who have fixed the moving earth…
    Yajur Veda 23.61 I ask thee of the earth’s extremest limit (earth’s ends), where is the centre of the world, I ask thee. I ask thee of the Stallion’s genial humour, I ask of highest heaven where Speech abideth.
    62 This altar is the earth’s extremest limit; this sacrifice of ours is the world’s centre.

    I WOULD BE REALLY HAPPY IF YOU ARE CERTAIN WITH PROOF THAT THESE ARE TRANSLATIONS BY PREJUDICED EUROCENTRIC HISTORIANS OR SOME STUPID FANATICAL MUSLIM

    • sincere says

      I read the article by Rocky Razvi. After I read a couple of the passage I lost interest since I found them very juvenile and disingenuous
      - The word ‘Dradh’ meaning stable or firm is interpreted by the jihadi as ‘fixed’. eg: ‘Earth entering a stable orbit or phase is not equal to fixed earth

      Rig Veda 10.149.1
      “The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself holding their reins.”
      - Rig Veda 10.149.1 is shown with a picture of a trainer ‘leading’ a horse. Apparently RR tries to ridicule the verse by showing that ‘newly’ trained horse follows the trainer and so the conclusion is that the verse is scientifically wrong.
      However, when I looked up new horse training, a term called ‘Longeing’ came up. This is the training for new horses. This is exactly what it says- “Once your horse is old enough to start training, you must use ground work before ever attempting to ride. Longeing, or ground training with a long rope, is the first step. The longe line attaches to the horse’s halter and allows it a large circle of movement while you teach it commands.” “Longeing is performed on a large circle with the horse traveling around the outside edge of a real or imaginary ring with the trainer in the middle.”

      A lot of hindu literature is symbolic and there is freedom to interpret symbolically unlike some other religious text which are always categorical yet only when problematic verses arise do the followers try to explain the ‘problem’ away as Dr. Naik likes to say

  57. Seemagupta says

    Please sir , iam a 27 year old boy .. i have heard this human brain , meditataion has great power to achieve anything in life.. Indian saints were too much ahead of their times in their knowledge …

    Can u please please tell me vedic mantra to increase the height and how it has to be chanted please bring out the treasure of knowledge that Indian saints had

  58. prasad says

    Namaste Agniveerji,

    Nice Article.Sathyameva jayathey: only the truth / fact / essence will triumph always. That is the rule of the nature.Praapyavaraannibhodhathaa: enlighten ourselves by acquiring the knowledge from the scholars till the last breath.

    Prasad

  59. Bagyaraj says

    Scientific Explanation of Trinity Gods
    Explanation for Mahavishnu: The blue colour of Vishnu denotes the colour of the sky and ocean which means the infinity/ limitless. The serpent on which Vishnu is lying denotes the coiled structure of a galaxy. The name of the serpent anantha means limitless (infinity) the ksheera saagaram ( ocean of milk) on which Vishnu is pictured shows milky way galaxy. Anantha sayana represent the silent universe/ galaxies. Symbolically Mahalakshmi ( meaning of this word is prosperity) has been attributed the position of the wife of Mahavishnu showing that any system can smoothly exist only with prosperity.

    Explanation for Brahma: From Mahavishnu comes out through a Lotus (symbolically) the creator Lord Brahma. This symbolically presents a connection of Lord Brahma with the prapancha purhsa similar to the connection of the baby in the womb of the mother. The baby takes the energy and nutrition for growing/ cell production from the mother. Similarly Lord Brahma takes energy and material from for creation in the world. The four heads of Lord Brahma represent the four axes required for any creation: x, y, z and time axes. The Vedas (the word itself means knowledge) in the hands of Lord Brahma and the position of Saraswathy (deity of knowledge) as the wife of the creator symbolically present that for every creation knowledge/ vidya is required. The knowledge and creation (knowledge for creation) are inseparable components.

  60. Bagyaraj says

    Explanation for Shiva :Lord Siva is the deity symbolically presents the controller of death/ destruction (the destruction is for further construction). Mahavishnu and Lord Siva are said to be connected through hearts ( which only means inseparable) Vishnoasya hrudayam siva: Sivosya hrudayam vishno – says Upanishads and Yajurveda. Symbolically Lord Siva has powerful fire in the third eye, powerful water and torrential air symbolically tied in the tuft and the snake around the neck ( symbol of international medical association) and thri sool in hand. All the five respectively present destruction through fire, water (flood , etc) air ( cyclone/ tempest, etc) diseases and using weapons. Parvathy (means energy/force/sakti) is symbolically presented as the wife of Lord Siva . Through this combination of Lord Siva and Parvathy, it is shown that the destruction for construction can take place with powerful application of any one or more of the above five. (powerful fire, air, water, diseases and weapon only have the destruction capacity). Thus they become inseparable hence the concept of Ardhanaareeswara comes up. In fact the Brahma Vishnu Maheswara sankalpa and the Lakshmi Parvathy Sarswathi sankalpa are the symbolic presentation of the life cycle spiritual- social and physical level when scientifically explained. Always the Hindus consider the knowledge, prosperity and sakthi/power in feminine gender. These explanations (of the gods) are the connecting layers of Vedic and puranic concepts of gods.
    Source http://www.iish.org

    • GOD IS GREAT says

      Even ब्रह्म सत्यं जगन्मिथ्या is scientific. Actually reality isn’t what we see. We see because of 3 reasons:
      A>> We have functioning eyes
      B>> Our eyes are connected to brain via nerves
      C>> Light is incident on our eyes

      First, light is incident on our eyes; then that signal is sent to brain. Consciousness interprets that. That projected information is given to our eyes. Eyes can interpret only RGB values. So, it filters only a particular value which we call Visible spectrum. There are 6 other spectrums of EM Waves other than that. Nevertheless, what we see is only an image of truth not the truth as such. Truth is either the signal which goes inside OR consciousness. It is never what we see.
      Similarly, ears receive vibrations which is sent to brain. Again consciousness interprets that and projects it on the ears which accept values 20Hz to 20KHz. This isn’t truth – it cannot be. Similarly, what other senses show is just interpretation of reality not the reality. This is what management calls perception.

      The Vedanta statement also points an important lesson: Change the mind and world changes around you.
      Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8AjoUb8Tq8

  61. Bagyaraj says

    Some reasons why Muslims and Christians not accepting our great Heritage.
    1)Western Indologists devised the Aryan Invasion Theory denying India’s Vedic Past.
    2)They taught that English educational system is superior.
    3)They systematically tried to make Indians ashamed of their own culture.
    4)They misinterpreted and wrongly translated Vedas and other religious books of Hindus.(These books are the weapons of Christians and Muslims now a days)
    5)In the other hand Islam and Christianity developed by sword,hooks,crooks and by denigrating Indian Culture.(which teach don’t believe in any other god and any other books).
    6)Christian and Muslim Missionaries are highly paid and lot of money is flowing from Islamic and Christian Countries to convert people to Christian or Islam.They are using fake statements and fooling many.
    7)These fake scholars with the help of politicians split Indians as Hindus,Muslims and Christians and make them ashamed of their heritage and claim our heritage is utter nonsense.
    8)These fake scholars succeeded to change some % of Indians to love Saudi Arabia and Vatican more than India.They also made many to work against their motherland.
    9)All this happen in a great nation which pray Loka Samasta Sukino Bavanthu , Adithi Devo Bhava etc.But may be because of this even now this culture is existing here and is widely accepted by Americans and many others.
    10)Now it is time for all Indians to awake and to learn the great heritage of India.Don’t expect anybody to take initiative you yourself should learn and teach others about our great heritage.There are a lot of websites available now to know the heritage of our great nation.Teach all Christians and Muslims about the greatness and freedom of our culture.They will surely accept it.Let them come with their Quran,Bible,Jesus,Mohammed,Allah etc to our Dharma.We can add it to our thousand of religious books and role models.

  62. GOD IS GREAT says

    Vedic Mathematics!

    The simplest and easiest mode of calculations known till date. Though it works for special cases, if you know the working, you can easily generalize. The link given below contains some of the miracles and fast solutions of problems that cannot be done otherwise. Must read for every Indian. Answers to 45077 x 48877; 131 ^ 3; 1 / 29; solutions of equations involving 11th powers – all is there.

    http://www.mediafire.com/?qizx86uv5jc5yxb

    In the UK, the method is used by teacher Satish Sharma with students in Slough, as well as by Kenneth Williams, teacher, author and spokesman for the Maharishi School in Skelmersdale, Lancashire, both of whom claim that the methods offer significant results for their pupils. These methods have been granted 4 patents in USA alone. Similar case exists with Turmeric medicinal properties, YOGA, cow urine drugs too. The traditional knowledge of India is eligible for patents in USA. That is the biggest miracle ever known till date.

    जयतु आर्यावर्त ! जयतु भारतं ॥

  63. Bagyaraj says

    (Latest discovery by Defense Research and Development Organisation, DRDO)
    A news from the 99th Indian science congress by The Telegraph, date 06/Jan/2012
    The humble TULSI, a cure-all for generations of Indians, is set to emerge in a new avatar as a herbal radiation protector. This has been discovered by DRDO. The DRDO has applied for the patent. The organization is first in the world to come u…p with a herbal alternative to combat radiation, which has been in focus since leakage from the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan. The research is being conducted by life science and human resources division of DRDO. The chief of R&D W Selvamurthy said in the 99th Indian science congress-“The DRDO in collaboration with Professor Uma Devi of Manipal University formulated the wonder drug. This formulation has already been tested on 4000 soldiers. The DRDO research team found that extracts from TULSI can correct chromosomal aberrations.
    Thanks to science for finding and proving the ancient culture of INDIA inside the laboratory

  64. samuel says

    I just want to give you a very basic idea on what is told in the Bible and what is about to happen – The Bible tells that there will be a 10 nation union which will emerge out of Europe and from there, the Anti-Christ will appear and he will make all the countries in the world to come under him, which is in another words, One World Government. If you look in today’s headlines, you will find out that the 21 nation European nation is now going into a disorderly state – this COULD be a beginning of the formation of the refined – 10 nation union – no one knows, but every political actions point toward that.
    Another event to take place is that the 666 will come into effect very soon. As you can see even in India, a part of the government is now struggling to enforce the Adhar – which will be a very close fore-runner or the road maker toward the enforcement of 666. Even now you are dealing with this number at least more than 50 times a day!!! Small example – when you buy an item from supermarket there is a bar-code – next time observe the bar code – there will be a series of lines on it, starting with a long bar and ending with a long bar and one long bar in the center – this in computer language, is the number 666. When you visit a website or send an e-mail, the URL starts with www – again in computer language, this is the number 666 – don’t ask me why – I do not know – but today’s computers CANNOT function without this particular code embedded in it!! This is an Israeli technology that no one could every supercede till today. And as per what is written in the Bible, no one will ever supercede.
    And it causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark on their right hand, or in their foreheads, even that not any might buy or sell except those having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name. Here is the wisdom. Let him having reason count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. And its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
    -Revelation…

      • samuel says

        Try to understand what i am talking and reply to the point what i said instead of giving some web address.Why you cannot accept the truth? Here truth is in front of your eyes.

        • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

          Try to understand
          Dude! if you are talking about understanding, please use slightly simple language. Can you please explain the link between www and 666 ? WWW is an acronym which stands for World Wide Web. None refers to 666 even remotely. Computers function on Binary numbers. Assuming 666 as a decimal number, the binary equivalent is 01010011010. According to you, this is bar code? Please go through the function of a bar code. Different bar codes have different codes. That code is of 6 or 7 digits. Which bar code you find with code 666? Your language is beyond understanding & you are talking about understanding. This isn’t your fault – I know English is a defective language (but I am doubtful whether you know any other language or not). So, do one of 2 things:
          A>>> Add some summary to clear the idea.
          B>>> If possible, rewrite in simple language (valid facts which you can prove as truth – not just imagination) OR change the language to some unambiguous one; example – Sanskrit.

          reply to the point
          Your point is yet to be made clear. First clear about concept first and then speak about points.

          Why you cannot accept the truth? Here truth is in front of your eyes.
          As far as truth is concerned, I follow those aspects of Christianity which are true as per Vedas too. Other aspects of Christianity which is not matching with truth as per Vedas; that is discarded & about this, I would directly talk to GOD. You don’t need to come in between.

          • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

            Try to understand
            Dude! if you are talking about understanding, please use slightly simple language. Can you please explain the link between www and 666 ? WWW is an acronym which stands for World Wide Web. None refers to 666 even remotely. Computers function on Binary numbers. Assuming 666 as a decimal number, the binary equivalent is 01010011010. According to you, this is bar code? Please go through the function of a bar code. Different bar codes have different codes. That code is of 6 or 7 digits. Which bar code you find with code 666? Your language is beyond understanding & you are talking about understanding. This isn’t your fault – I know English is a defective language (but I am doubtful whether you know any other language or not). So, do one of 2 things:
            A>>> Add some summary to clear the idea.
            B>>> If possible, rewrite in simple language (valid facts which you can prove as truth – not just imagination) OR change the language to some unambiguous one; example – Sanskrit.

            reply to the point
            Your point is yet to be made clear. First clear about concept first and then speak about points.

            Why you cannot accept the truth? Here truth is in front of your eyes.
            As far as truth is concerned, I follow those aspects of Christianity which are true as per Vedas too (example – forgiveness with others, mercy, faith towards almighty etc.). Other aspects of Christianity which is not matching with truth as per Vedas; that is discarded & about this, I would directly talk to GOD. You don’t need to come in between.

          • samuel says

            @ VEDIC GOD IS GREAT,
            The tensions in the Middle East – especially Iran is under watchful eyes of the Christian scholars. Even after many years of study, so many prophecy verses are not clear to even the most studied Christian Scholars, but it is strongly believed that Germany will launch the Third World War. The way Germany is now ‘dressing up’ militarily; no nations expected them to reach this level, that also only within the last 8 years!
            There are too many things which are foretold in the Bible which are now happening in front of our eyes – This is why we call the Bible ‘Tomorrow’s Newspaper Today’.

          • Bagyaraj says

            Evangelical Intrusions: Tripura, A Case Study haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=11647&SKIN=I – Illegal religious conversions haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=3949&SKIN=K.Add www and paste the link to read the atricle

  65. s says

    Conversion is prostitution – To overcome the sufferings and poverty in life if somebody from the alien religion gives money to tackle and due to pressure from the alien, changing ones religion is worst than earning money by doing prostitution.

    Husband is a drunker, irresponsible fellow, torches wife by beating and abusing. The lady is struggling to lift the family and brought up the children and she was totally upset and dejected and do not find any escape rout. The adjacent neighbor knew this very well and pretended that he is honest and wanted to support her. Help her with money and other possible way. In due course one day he asked her to share the bed with him. In what category this man comes. He exploited his poverty and weakness wanted to make a gain from her by sharing the bed. He is not punishable by law since the rape is voluntary.

    So exploiting poor mans poverty and induce them with money to change the faith is as worst as prostitution. The people should understand that changing the faith one will get money for one time only but doing prostitution will yield money every time. Are they ready to do prostitution?

    Selling the soul is prostitution and selling the inner soul (Athma) is change of religion is still worst than the prostitution. Only mentally sick people will attempt this way to over come poverty.

  66. s says

    Survival of the fittest is the law which governs the animal nature prevalent in western culture.

    CONVERSION – IS PERVERSION
    CONVERSION – IS GROSS VIOLENCE
    CONVERSION – IS ERROSION OF CULTURE
    CONVERSION – IS AGGRESSION
    CONVERSION – IS INTRUSION IN ONES PRIVACY
    CONVERSION – IS DIVISION
    CONVERSION – IS INVASION
    CONVERSION – IS DESTRUCTION OF RELIGIOUS HARMONY
    CONVERSION – IS DOMINATION OF LAND AND PEOPLE
    CONVERSION – IS TERRORISM
    CONVERSION – IS PROSTITUTION

    BAN CONVERSION AND SAVE THE NATION

    • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

      Thank you s for this great comparison. Please tell the same to all terrorists in the world including Zakir Naik; Mushafiq Sultan and others. These 2 are biggest PERVERT, GROSS VIOLENT, AGGRESSORS, PRIVACY INTRUDERS, DIVIDERS, INVADERS, HARMONY DESTROYERS, TERRORISTS AND PROSTITUTES. I fully agree with your that implications.

    • shravak says

      Its easy to tell for a person(including myself) who is blessed with (not all but sufficient) resources that conversion is this…, conversion is that. These are all bookish stuff, but in reality things are different. How would you convince a person who doesn’t have food to eat or job to work?

      Missionaries are offering you money, food, shelter, better standard of living etc etc almost all the basic things a man need to survive better. and our people are busy in making glorious temples and donating more and more to a stone idol.

      Scholary work can only satisfy to a specific class people but not to a person whose stomach is empty. And we all know which class is being targeted by the missionaries.

      • s says

        THE FABRICATION OF SOUTH INDIAN HISTORY
        The fabrication of South Indian history is being carried out on an immense scale with the explicit goal of constructing a Dravidian identity that is distinct from that of the rest of India. From the 1830s onwards, this endeavor’s key milestones have claimed that south India: is linguistically separate from the rest of India; has an un-Indian culture, aesthetics and literature; has a history disconnected from India’s; is racially distinct; is religiously distinct; and, consequently, is a separate nation.
        In recent decades, however, a vast network of groups based in the West has co-opted this movement and is attempting to transform Tamil identity into the Dravidian Christianity movement premised on a fabricated racial-religious history.
        LINKING OF DRAVIDIAN & DALIT IDENTITIES:
        While Dravidian and Dalit identities were constructed separately, there is a strategy at work to link them in order to denigrate and demonize Indian classical traditions (including spiritual texts and the identities based on these) as a common enemy.
        This in turn, has been mapped on to an Afro-Dalit narrative which claims that Dalits are racially related to Africans and all other Indians are “whites.”
        Thus, Indian civilization itself is demonized as anti-humanistic and oppressive.
        This has become the playground of major foreign players, both from the evangelical right and from the academic left..
        It has opened huge career opportunities for an assortment of middlemen including NGOs, intellectuals and “champions of the oppressed.”
        While the need for relief and structural change is immense, the shortsighted selfish politics is often empowering the movements’
        FOREIGN NEXUS EXPLOITS INDIA’S FAULTLINES:
        An entity remains intact as long as the centripetal forces (those bringing its parts together) are stronger than its centrifugal forces (those pulling it apart).
        This study of a variety of organizations in USA and Europe demonstrates certain dangerous initiatives that could contribute to…

      • shiv says

        @shravak
        You are mistaken. Missionaries always target the weak (or weaker than the one converting) or people during their weakest frame of mind. So they dare not try converting Muslims, though poor and needy are many times more in Muslims than any other religion. Nor do they target strong-minded self-respecting Hindus, even if they are people. Instead they call such hindus fanatics!

        • shravak says

          Namaste Shiv

          Weak? Weak in what terms? Please clarify.

          Missionaries try everyone, Africa is a best case here. In India, recently they converted few kashmiri muslims. And they were beaten, but that’s the other thing. Imagine the daring now.

          • Bagyaraj says

            See Christian Conversion Tactics
            haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=7136&SKIN=C.
            Add www in front of the link and paste it to read the article.

          • shravak says

            See, whatever their tactics may be. but one thing is clear ‘MONEY’ plays a huge role in it, along with other things. You just can’t strike them off by saying only sick minded people get converted.

          • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

            Namaskaar Brother Shravak & others!

            I am not getting why you made this as framework to discuss Hindu Christian conversions? The article is about science in Vedas – nothing to do with Hindu Christian conversion & rivalry. So, let’s post some science here. How about this:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69J_NojooDw

          • Bagyaraj says

            @ VEDIC GOD IS GREAT,
            Yes you are correct let us post relevant comments.
            Please visit website awgp.org which give the test results of different kinds of achaaras of Hinduism.
            Many of the history mentioned in Bagavatham is approved and implemented in UGC approved history books.
            WORLD turn to Bharath(Indian) culture….!.Harvard University of America; Bhagvath Githa is a part of their M.B.A syllabus.
            Massachusetts Institute of Technology(M.I.T); Sanskrit is an essential part
            Toronto University of America teaches sanathan Dharma in different batches
            Not only that , but also in 186 American Universities are teaching Bhagvath Githa as a part of their syllabus
            17 Million people in America are daily practicing Yoga .22 percent american people are changed their food habit to pure vegetarian within the last one year.Not only in america, in every places in the world started this kind of change.

  67. hindu says

    Swatantraveer VINAYAK DAMODAR SAVARKAR HAD SAID THAT CONVERSION IS ALSO CONVERSION IS ALSO SHIFTING OF LOYALTY TOWARDS NATION IN HINDI “DHARMANTAR RASHTRANTAR HAI” and we can see that in many states today

  68. Bagyaraj says

    Prof Fritjof Capra in his book “Tao of Physics” said that the god concept of Indians are the ever best and other religious people should elevate themselves to understand this concept.

  69. Bagyaraj says

    A few Indian (daily) achaaras and its science

    1. It is advised to wake up early morning by 5.30 (In India, Indian time). This is the ideal time for keeping the brain active for the common man. For saadhakaas , it can be any time after 3.30 am as the brain is fresh to get imprinted with the saadhana message.
    2. Sit on the bed and pray for 30 seconds. An advice given by Rishies 3000 years ago and 10 years ago by the experts of WHO. This aachara gives the time gap for balancing the blood pressure and heart function when the body changes its position from horizontal to vertical level.
    3. Touching the earth ( bhoo vandana) aimed at releasing the bio static electricity through your finger, for preventing the arthritis etc affecting your leg.
    4. Avoid bed coffee to prevent the intake of the obnoxious materials from the mouth to the stomach.
    5. After preliminary morning routine, take bath for cleansing the external body. Do not walk inside your home before bath as the body odor spread in the air. After bath give a tharpanam saying maathru devo bhava for mother and pitru devo bhava for your father, if your parents are no more.
    6. Prayer in the pooja room/ prayer room for atelast 10 minutes for cleansing the mind.
    7. 10 times deep pranayaama for cleansing lungs and blood, 5 suryanamaskaras (which is now known as the king of the exercises) for smoothening movable skeletal joints, (It has 7 yoga asanaas ! 5 suryanamaskara means 35 yogaasanaas).
    8. Drink two glass of tulasi water for cleansing the blood by ‘washing’ it.
    9. Take coffee/ tea only after 10 minutes.
    10. Do not read the newspaper early morning; it gives a variety of negative news which affect your mind. The psychologists advice to read something else/ do some garden work/office work and then only read the news paper.

  70. Bagyaraj says

    Continues……………
    11. Help your children to go to school and bless them before they leave home. Go up to the gate for sending them off.
    12. Keep punctuality for doing anything. Note down the work to be done in a piece of paper. ‘X’ mark after completing that work. This method saves time and energy.
    13. Before food spend a few seconds for silent or group prayer, it activates the salivary gland and also the digestive glands.
    14. Keep a smiling face. It reduces BP, cholesterol and adrenalin in the blood.
    15. Never think that the life is always positive, it gives strength for facing any incidents. Know that the ‘Positives’ and ‘Negatives’ are temporary.
    16. Go to the office/ school/ work place with positive mind and happy mood. Return home if possible at correct time, with a smiling face. Fresh up. Sit with your family and children at least 30 minutes discussing their problems and motivate them. Do, if possible a group prayer or spend ten minutes for prayer after an evening bath. Take atleast one meal a day with all family members. It strengthen family relations give and take love and affection.
    17. Appreciate the achievements of your children when they sit for studies in the late evening.
    18. Try to go to bed in correct time, which gives the body a biopunctuality.
    19. Never keep your head towards north on the bed because the hemoglobin is a magnetic material, which gets blocked in the brain capillary when you sleep lying parallel to the magnetic meridian or earth. It creates headache, irritation, headache etc. Try to avoid south also, if you have enough space to keep your head towards east or west.
    20. Before going to bed spend few seconds for prayer on the bed.
    21. All prayer/ reading/working should be by keeping the face towards east, for improving the capacity of the brain functioning. This again helps to maintain the heart functioning smooth as the body changes its position from vertical to horizontal.
    22. Use your ears, eyes, tongue, mind and functional organs for good purposes…

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  72. Bagyaraj says

    GRAVITY
    Aakrushti sakthischa mahee thayaa yath khastham guru svaabhimukham svasakthyaa aakrushyathe thathpathatheeva bhaathi same samanthaath kva pathathyayam khe:
     
    This earth attracts whatever solid materials are in the space, by her own force of attraction towards her (earth). All those subjected to this attractional force fall, to the earth. Due to equal force of attraction among the celestial bodies, where can each among them fall? (Siddhanta siromani Bhuvanakosham 6)
    BHASKARA II SIDDHANTA SIROMANY (1114 AD)

  73. Nancy says

    I completely accpept the scientific nature in vedas. There are so many facts that we Indians are to learn from our ancestors and to be really proud of. They have put all their knowledge in these books, and we are not going to discover anything new.
    If you accept that Hinduism is full of Scientific knowledge and the rituals performed are to maintain a healthy and sound body, then you should also accept that it does not speak of GOD.

    • Bagyaraj says

      @ Nancy
      Sorry to have some objections in your comment – “If you accept that Hinduism is full of Scientific knowledge and the rituals performed are to maintain a healthy and sound body, then you should also accept that it does not speak of GOD”
      Vedas talk about eternal Ishwar and His eternal knowledge.
      Please read the following articles of Agniveer
      What are Vedas?
      Eternity of Vedas

    • GOD IS GREAT says

      Dear Nancy!

      Sorry, but I did not get your idea.

      If you accept that Hinduism is full of Scientific knowledge and the rituals performed are to maintain a healthy and sound body, then you should also accept that it does not speak of GOD.

      What do you mean? Just because it is scientific, how can it be without GOD? Today, even scientists have proved that GOD exists (with due respect). Just posting a youtube video at the very bottom link. Watch it either here OR directly on Youtube. A must watch video.

      There is a striking resemblance between the equivalence of mass and energy symbolized by Shiv’s cosmic dance and the Western theory, first expounded by Einstein, which calculates the amount of energy contained in a subatomic particle by multiplying its mass by the square of the speed of light : E=mc2.
      - Richard P Waterstone
      Creator of BBC documentary
      Source: His book, India: Living Wisdom.

      Same was views of Carl Sagan, a famous scientist, he often linked evolution with Hindu GODs. John Dobson, a researcher also agrees with these views.

      “India – the land of Vedas the remarkable works contains not only religious ideas for a perfect life but also facts which science has proved true. Electricity radium electronics airship all are known to the seers who founded the Veda.”
      - Ella Wheeler Wilcox
      Famous poet
      Her writing: Poems of pleasure

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJioWKPlBIw

  74. Nancy says

    Hey guys.. we are Indians and I consider vedas as a treasure given to us by our forefathers. When it comes to religion it is all individual decisions. you cant tell a Christian that he has no rights to the vedas, because he is not a hindu. Why confuse religion and our history? This is the only reason why we fight when others take what is needed from the vedas and go ahead putting their name on it. Lets take the pride as an Indian and not as a Hindu.. Choice of Religion is completely different. Why confuse both??? As of me, I like Vedas as a book of facts and science and I believe in the Bible as a book of faith and inner happiness.

    • Bagyaraj says

      @ Nancy
      Of course as you said all the Indian literature are not only the assets of Hindus but also for the whole Indians.
      As per religious perspective there are only two category people in India 1) Those who are Hindus 2) Those who were Hindus.
      Treating a book is up to you and your choice and one will get the fruits from those books accordingly. But it will be good if you take the messages from a book after analyzing it logically,rationally and scientifically.
      Please read the articles
      Who is Agniveer?
      What does Agniveer stand for?

      • GOD IS GREAT says

        Dear Nancy and Bagyaraj, there is one important thing which we must look at.

        GOD’s revelation is never country specific. It is for entire cosmos. Therefore, our famous Sanskrit texts say —
        अयं निजं परावैति गणना लघुचेतसां । उदार चरितानां तु वसुधैवकुटुम्बकं ॥

        (There is a conflict about the source whether it is Chanakya Neeti OR Mahabharata OR any other. Nevertheless, the Shloka is accepted as a standard.) – It clearly says that whole earth is one family for a great mind. Only inferior beings discriminate.

        Even Rev. Morris Philip accepts that Vedas are oldest book NOT only for Aryan community but for whole cosmos. Unless & Until someone wants to satisfy his foolish beliefs (like what Frederich Max Muller, Ralph Griffith, Maurice Bloomfield did), Vedas are for everyone.

        Regarding which book is to be accepted – There is goodness everywhere. Absolute good OR bad does not exists. It is always our perception which can be so. As Chanakya mentions: If you can know something worthwhile from even a low graded, you must not hesitate in that. However, in any situation, avoid blind following. For one aspect, you can follow Bible but don’t follow it for other aspect. Just make sure that violent actions mentioned therein (Especially Deuteronomy, Judges etc.) are NOT followed. Someone told me – West does not take Christianity seriously and hence they are progressing. Loopholes of Bible are examined here: http://www.evilbible.com … If you follow only good teachings of Bible OR any book, it is totally fine. After all for GOD, all are equal. Faith based discrimination is only man made.

  75. Bagyaraj says

    Namaste all,
    Recently go through an article regarding the subject “Taj Mahal was Hindu Temple “Tejo Mahalay” not built by any Muslim : 108 Proofs”
    globalhinduism.com/article/2012/01/taj-mahal-was-not-built-by-any-mugalmuslim-it-was-hindu-temple-tejo-mahalay-108-proofs/#.TyPrT4G4rGg
    This may be a new information for some of us.

  76. GOD IS GREAT says

    Must watch this:

    http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/325oldbooks.php

    The similarities are really striking. Amazing – Shocking – Thrilling. The symbols were present only few thousand years ago. This proves that Indians were transoceanic seafarers. They travelled as distant as Easter Islands (far away than any logical civilization.) and the proof is clear. We are proud to belong to that civilization which is the oldest and mother of every other civilization in the world.

  77. Sowmya says

    I’m really young to discuss these things….but i can definitely say one thing….A part of the country has woken up….A welcome change…Good website ….loved it….Born in a telugu brahmin family…seeing my cousins learn the vedas…I always wondered if they understood the real meaning and interpreted in the right way…The vedic sciences are immaterial….We can’t afford to lose them…

  78. hinduagnostic says

    very nice i heard it talks about electricity also but i have some question does the vedas talk about the big bang,spherical earth, sun being the centre of the solar system etc

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  81. Human says

    Hello,

    I liked you article, but want to know one thing. Why are people claiming that Vedas had those things, after they are discovered by Western People. If we have the Vedas with us now and they have the correct information then why don’t people claim other things written in Vedas before they are discovered by other people. I have no offence intended towards Vedas. I respect them. But had just a small doubt.

    Thank you :)

  82. Vijay says

    As per some ancient books after the death of human body, the soul of human goes into another body if it true then how the population keeps on increasing which is suppose to equal all the time

    • Aditya says

      Actually this is a cycle.More human population just means that the lower creatures are promoted to humans.Humans with bad karma end up in lower creatures.As it is very well known that the environment is degrading,so the demoted souls suffer as their habitat is lost.
      So more good karma=more humans

  83. Jay says

    Be specific on how it does not answer your question when the whole essay is on that question. All you did was repeat your same boring question. I would suggest Agniveer delete your same question that you post on several threads and leave it only on one thread. It is too ridiculous to follow everywhere.

    • Aditya says

      Well! Jay may be he thought that posting the same question many times will attract attention of agniveer.BTW what is the answer for Dara’s question.
      According to my knowledge, there are “Saptha Rishis” for every Yuga.So according to our knowledge there are 28 saptha rishis in This manvantara.But there were Rishikas also.So I am confused now.Can you please answer.
      Thanks

  84. sandeep bansal says

    I. ASTRONOMICAL SCIENCES AND THE RIG VEDA

    There are many astrological and astronomical references in the Rig Veda, that many scholars have ignored in the West. Instead, they have the view that Hindus got their idea of planets and their respective deities etc., from the Greeks, around 300BC,as per Alexander’s arrival.

    Here, we present the notion that this is entirely incorrect.

    In fact, the Rig Veda, the oldest text of Hinduism itself has many references, in relation to astrology and astronomy, as we shall show.

    Let us start off first of all by noting the Goddess Prishni, a Vedic Goddess closely associated with the later dark goddess Kali of Hinduism.

    Prishni means ‘Spotted’, and thus would refer to a star-cluster in the sky, such as the Milky Way region. Prishni is mother of the sky-gods in the Rig Veda – the Maruts (flashing ones), who are hence stars, in this relation.

    Prishni is also associated with a Cow, being mother to calves (Maruts), in this connection (Rg.X.123.1). This connects her to cow, milk etc. and hence the Milky Way region. She is also the Sky in general, being connected to Ratri (Night), another Vedic Goddess, and again to later goddess Kali.

    Another Vedic Goddess, Aditi also has a similar astronomical nature. Aditi comes from the Sanskrit root “Ad” (To Eat). Aditi is thus the “Eater” (Brihadaranyaka Upanishad.I.2.2). Aditi is thus the representative of the “Black Holes” in Space, which swallow/eat up everything that enters them. It hence shows that the Vedics knew well of Astronomical Sciences.

    Such concepts here may seem quite generalised, but are important to note that the oldest texts of the Hindus showed that they were “star-gazing” from a very early period!

    We also cite the Devas or the Vedic-Gods, meaning ‘Shining Ones’.

    This comes from the root “Div” (o Shine/illuminate). As their name suggests, and as they are Sons of Dyaus / Zeus (Sky, Illuminated), sometimes of Aditi (which also means ‘unbounded’ – the Sky). This shows that the Devas are also the Constellations orLunar Mansions (Nakshatras).

    The Krishna Yajurveda (IV.4.10) elaborates on this point, and describes them and their respective deities that govern them!

    So, such notions were in use in early Hinduism, and such sacrifices described in the Yajur-Veda to them reflect the fact that Vedic rituals were based primarily on the Stars and their Movements – thus in accordance with Astrological Time-keeping methods, only possible through the invention of Vedic-era Astrology (Jyotish).

    The Nine Planets (Nava-Grahas) also have their place in the Vedic traditions also and can be found in the earliest texts as the Rig Veda.

    The Planet Venus (Shukra, Effulgent in Sanskrit), who (secretly) appears in the Chandogya Upanishad as the teacher of the Asuras or Anti-Gods, Virochana (Greatly Effulgent), which also suggests he is Venus (As Shukra, the Shining One, since Venus is the Greatest Shining Planet and leader of the Asuras or Anti-gods and their Guru as Virochana).

    In Chandogya Upanishad, this same Virochana also fights with Indra the Self-deity, who here is Brihaspati or Guru as planet Jupiter of the Devas or the Positive Stars or Planets (MaitareyaUpanishad.VII.9). In later astrological texts, the god Indra himself is the god or ruler of Brihaspati or Jupiter, as well as Venus.

    It all shows the ancient Hindus were well-versed in Astrology and Astronomy and also shows the esoteric significance behind the stars and astrology. Shukra (Venus) also has mention in the Maitreya Upanishad (VII.9), as a form of Brihaspati or Jupiter himself. Maitreya Upanishad is long before the Greeks in India.

    This shows that the ancient Hindus knew (as they did in later times) of the two-sides of Venus (Shukra) and Jupiter (Brihaspati), as the teachers of the Demons (Asuras) and Gods (Devas) respectively.

    The Vedic King Vena (Rg.X.123) and Soma, the Moon (Rg.IX) are deities of Rig Veda that can also be compared to Venus, because of their blissful and material nature. King Vena (vs.7), is compared to a Gandharva (celestial musician of Vedic lore), on this note, and is compared to the Maruts (‘Shining Ones’ or Asuras, demons – vs.1), which connects him to the name of Asuramaya (Wise Demon), one of his famous later epithets.

    The Vedic Rishi Brighu, father of Shukra (Venus) in later times, is also said to be Venus.
    Sri (Lakshmi, goddess of wealth) also is connected to Venus and is the daughter of the Seer Bhrigu.

    These are well-known facts.

    Soma (Moon) is also Shukra (Semen) or filled with Shukra (semen) referring to Soma’s (Moon’s) more material-planet (or form), as Venus (Rg.IV.27.5). Soma is also compared to the Seer Ushanas, a later name for Venus, as the Poet (Rg.IX.87.2-3) – all these show Planet Venus in the Rg Veda, is well-documented.

    Ushanas himself descends from the Vedic Seer or Rishi, Bhrigu.

    Thus, the Vedic peoples knew well of the Stars in the Universe – they were not ignorant at all of astrology and astrological concepts.

    In fact, the 360 Day Year, with Twelve Months and Three Ascendants or Lagnas is mentioned in the Rig Veda (Rg.I.164.48):

    “Twelve are the fellies, and the wheel is single; three are the naves. What man hath understood it?
    Therein are set together spokes three hundred and sixty, which in nowise can be loosened.”

    The 360 spokes here are the 360 degrees or divisions of the Zodiac. The Twelve are the Vedic Star-Signs (called Rashis). The Three Naves are the Three Lagnas or Ascendants in the Vedic Tradition.

    These are the Ascendant-Rashi (Position of Birth-Star in the First-House); Chandra-Rashi or Lagna (Position or Chandra or the Moon in the Star-Signs) and the Surya Rashi or Lagna which is the position of the Sun in the Chart with regards to the Star-Signs.

    These three are employed in the circular Sudarshana-Chakra in later India – an astrological charting system where all three Ascendants (or Lagnas) are drawn on the Zodiac.

    It appears this Sudarshana Chakra is described in the Rig Veda!

    Hence, the Vedic people knew of the Twelve Signs of the Zodiac and also the Twelve Months.

    The Adityas (Sun-Gods) are the Twelve Months in Vedic texts (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad.II.3.9.5) – it takes little intellect to work that out, as the text mentions this!

    This is quite something, since many modern books on ‘Hindu Astrology’ state that the Hindus adopted the 12-Month Calendar of the Greeks! Are we to admit that the West’s ‘intellects’ have perhaps missed a few things out in their History of Vedic Sciences?

    In the Vedas, the Adityas (Sun-Gods; thus Devas), or the Planet-Deities, as noted are the Months also. This relates us to the sister-science of Astronomy, Astrology, and the Adityas are lead by Vishnu or the Sun-God himself, who is their Lord, the Lord of the Planets.

    We can explain these further.

    The Devas or Vedic Gods would hence be related in the same manner, as in latter times, as they are connected to such planets, as we will discuss here:-

    Deva Brihaspati is Jupiter
    Brihaspati is the later name for Jupiter. In the Vedas, he is the deity of Wisdom andinner-illumination. He is also the guide or Priest of the Devas or Gods.

    Deva Soma is the Moon (Indu), and also Venus (Vena is Venus, also Soma as Shukra)
    Soma is the Vedic deity of the Moon and Delight. Indu means a circle or drop, meaning the Moon and also the immortal elixir that Soma or the Moon represents ,on an inner level.

    Deva Bhaga (Enjoyment) and Ushanas the Seer would be more Venus, as also Pushan, forms of Venus and Soma
    Bhaga is the Vedic deity of delight, wealth and prosperity, relating to the Moon and also Venus, the more material aspect. As noted, the Seer Ushanas is also Venus in later times, as is his brother, the King Vena, noted for their materialistic and blissful outlook. Pushan is another deity like Bhaga that connects with wealth but more allied with the Moon or Soma in form.

    Deva Agni is Fiery and hence is Mars
    The Vedic deity of Fire, Agni is also the youthful warrior, called Kumara (boy) and Karttikeya (who born of the Pleiades) in Hinduism. According to the Vedas, he is the planet Mars and hence the Divine warrior, or Aries.

    Deva Rudra and Varuna as well as Yama have Dark-natures such as Death (Mrityu) and Law (Rtu) as Saturn
    Rudra is later known as Mahakala (Great Death) and the conqueror of death. He is Saturn in his transcendental aspect. Saturn is generally a death-planet and a planet of Karma and Divine Law (Dharma or Rtu). Hence he is connected to Varuna, the Vedic deity of death and judgement, and Yama, the lord of the underworld, as in later times.

    Deva Surya is obvious as the Sun
    Surya is the Vedic Sun-God, also called Savitar. He is the chief of the Adityas or Vedic Solar-Gods, as he rules them in later times. His nature is that of a King and also inner-illumination. Many Royal families in India trace their lineage from the Sun, such as Lord Rama, the hero of the Indian Epic, Ramayana.

    Vishnu, would be Budha (Mercury)
    Budha himself as the ruler of Mercury descends from the Soma-Seers, from Soma-Atreya, who is his father. The Atris or Atreyas are lauded for their wisdom in the Rig Veda for finding the Sun or the Self in the darkness of illusion of creation (Rig Veda, Book V.40). Vishnu himself is the Vedic deity of buddhi or intellect and inner-wisdo, having out-witted the King Bali and extending himself across the cosmos. In Hinduism Vishnu is the deity called upon when other deities require higher help of intellect and wit.

    The Headless Vritra would be the ‘tail of the serpent’ , or Ketu
    Vritra is the Vedic serpent-demon who was cut in two. His head became Rahu and his tail or trunk became Ketu. It relates to the Swarbhanu tale. The headless form of this demon is Ketu.

    The Head of Vritra (also Svarbhanu:-Rg.V.40) is well-known as Rahu
    As noted above with Ketu, Rahu is the head of this serpent-demon. The tale of him as Svarbhanu in the Rig Veda, where he swallows the Sun and the Moon is the origin of his later form. He is the demon of Lunar and Solar eclipses.

    The famous Svarbhanu Myth (Rg.V.40), also talks about the Solar Eclipse, which shows of the ancients and their knowledge, or rather, observation of the Stars (yet, our scholars would have them making Rock-Stoves!).

    As noted, Svarbhanu is the ancient ‘demon of darkness’ who hides the Sun.

    Later Hinduism knows of these Nava Grahas or Nine Planets that have influences over many things. They are subtly mentioned in the Rig-Veda (I.191.13, III.9.9, X.27.15, X.81.5), as also through their deity-counterparts who rule them in later times, as mentioned above through their characteristics.

    They are also the various Devas, as noted above, as the Navagrahas (Nine Planets).

    As for the astrological knowledge, the Vedic people and Seers are also said to possess flying Rathas (Chariots), which could viewed as either space-ships, or even orbital Sattelites. Each Deva(Star), meaning either a Planet-God, or planet ,possessed one.

    We see many such references of aerial crafts:

    “O Pusan, with you Golden Chariots that travel across the Ocean, in the Mid-Air,
    You go on an embassy to the Sun, tamed by love, desirous of the glory.”
    (Rg.VI.53.3)

    Perhaps such crafts were ,like UFO’s, possessed by Royalty, Kings and Gods, as In Mahabharata, and the Ramayana. Yet, there is also the possibility of a weather-balloon like device, or even satellite-technology, that they possessed, for each star, or Deva.

    Perhaps they were controlled run by mantras or sacred chants to the planets etc.

    These Rathas (Vimanas or Flying Ships), especially the Pushan or Surya Rathas, relate to the Sun. This could be seen as an ancient Solar-Powered spaceship, satellite etc., used to transverse and explore the planets.

    Such Solar-Powered devices would be similar to today’s Solar-Energy sources for heating, electricity and also Engines. It shows the ancients, being against pollution, had such devices that ran on natural energies, such as the Solar, as in the case of Pushan’s.

    Yet, these are late/advanced concepts in today’s technological world, and Scientists call this ‘evolution’ – rather, it is a sign of humanity “rediscovering” or returning to more ancient methods, employed in the Vedic Era, or Satya Yuga, the Age of Truth and Dharma (Righteousness)!

    The ancient must have had either crafts or satellite-like devices, or some kind of telescope. Otherwise, how else did they worship Mars as the God of Fire, showing Mars’s Fiery Nature, thousands of years ago? It is more than just a guess, and shows they had devices to see the planets, long before we could!

    The god Indra’s Chariot runs by mantras and has Ten Sides, showing it to be a large temple-like complex [does this not remind us of why later Hindus built in such styles, their own Mandirs or Temples?]:

    “The rich new chariot has been equipped at morning; it has four yokes, three whips, seven reins to guide it: Ten-sided, friendly to mankind, winner of light, that must be urged to speed with prayers and wishes.” (RV.II.18.1)

    This also has a subtle nature. The Ten-sides are the Ten Senses or the Body. The Four yokes are the four regions, four Vedas etc. The Three whips are the three lokas (states), and the Seven reigns are the Seven Chakras or Pranas. The Prayers are the Vedic suktas or hymns. Thus, even Chariots were made in accordance to Universal Principles, such as the Cosmic Body of Man, which is the “model” of the Universe and it’s Truths itself!

    The Vedic Ashwin gods, gods of healing and their Chariot, as we see, reach the Heavens, or the Skies, which also shows of ancient flight technology in the Vedas, undoubtedly:

    “We call the two Ashwins, the Gods borne in a noble chariot, the best
    Of charioteers, who reach the heavens.” (RV.I.22.2)

    “Prepare that [chariot] which passes thought in swiftness, that has Three Wheels and Three Seats, you mighty, whereon you seek the abode of the pious, whereon, Threefold, you fly like birds with pinions.” (RV.I.183.1)

    The Ashwins are the Twins of Heaven, the so-called ‘Ashwini Nakshatra’. These also show of not only beings living on these planets (in subtle realms), but also of their crafts. Such wisdoms are far beyond the reach of modern Science, which shows our Fathers were not mere Primitive cave-dwellers!

    Flying ‘like birds’ suggests that, like today, some Vimanas/Rathas were shaped like birds, like our present airplanes etc. These all suggest, however, that these crafts were superbly built, going places that, even today, NASA spaceships cannot go! Pushan’s going to the Sun, for example, shows of an ‘astralisation’ of the Craft and Body of the Astronauts, as not to burn on this fiery planet! Or, great tempered steel and suits were worn that would not wear in heat – as the famed Pillar at Delhi, which hasn’t rusted, shows these people had such technology!

    Perhaps it also suggests that the ancients visited such planets (grahas/nakshatras) and used such crafts to do so. In any such manner, it would show of their great knowledge of such things, such as black wholes (Aditi, mentioned above).

    The knowledge of planets is thus the knowledge of the Universe. That the Vedic Rishis has such knowledge, is also obvious by the name of their deities:- Agni Vaishvanara, the ‘Universal Being of Fire’ – Vishwakarma, the ‘Universal Worker/Creator’ or the Vishvedevas, the ‘Universal Shining Ones(deities)’ – the Stars or the Universe which is full of Devas (Deities).

    They were not limited merely to primitive deities of Earth Fire, Wind, Water as in Oceans etc.! In fact, their deities were greater higher forms of such earthly elemental principles, which are themselves, lower forms of Higher Cosmic Truths.

    Varuna, as Waters, for example, is more the Cosmic Waters, from where the Primal Egg emerged (Rg.X.121.7). Hence, the deities are not merely physical, but often Primal and Subtle Universal facts as well. Agni-Jatavedas, the ‘Fire who knows all births’, is hence the Jiva (Individual soul), that is reincarnated many times in the hearts of mortals (Rig-Veda.X.5.1).
    In a sense, Agni as the Primal Unborn Self, is also, like Hiranyagarbha (in X.121.7), also the child of the (cosmic) waters (Rig-Veda.X.5.1).

    Vedic Astronomy, then, is thus merely a small science to the Rishis, who knew the Higher Cosmic Truths of various elemental beings. If such Rishis knew theories such as the Big Bang etc. – then the Science of the Stars, to them, is merely small.

    The whole Big Bang theory, originates, like as in the Bible, from the Word in the Vedic texts (Brahmanaspati, lord of prayer or word), who created a ‘blast’ or bang (Rg.X.72.2).

    From there, the same verse mentions, that existence (or being), originated from non-existence. The whole hymn (Rg.X.72), speaks about the order of creation, from a Big bang, and also compares it as a dance of the deities (vs.6). It also mentions Surya (The Sun) emerging from Waters (vs.7). This whole Sukta (hymn), should be explored more by Scientists.

    It is hence, no wonder that ancient knowledge, extended to the bounds that it did. The story of Prajapati/Hiranyagarbha as the Primal Embryo/Egg (Rg.X.121), is also the story of the Primal Atom, and shows it can be split.

    Prajapati is the Primal Creator of all Beings and is associated with the deity Hiranyagarbha in Vedic lore, who represents the Sun. More specifically, the inner-sun. Hiranyagarbha itself means ‘Golden Orb / Egg / Womb’.

    The ‘split’ atom, may also be explained as the two ‘offspring’ or forms, of Prajapati/Hiranyagarbha (the Primal Atom), as the Devas and the Asuras (Brihadaranakya.I.3.1).

    This shows Ernest Rutherford and others discovered nothing new about the Atom, and merely ‘touched base’, on an ancient particle of the complex Vedic wisdom.

    This all shows the inter-related Sciences to Astronomy, as the Cosmic Universal Truths, the origins of the Stars themselves, from which the Hindus credit their own sciences, through their planetary rulers, the Devas or Gods (Shining Ones).

    We can even say that the whole Vedic Tradition itself is an Astrological One.

    Vedic Astronomy is thus not only not borrowed from the Greeks, but by their arrival in India – in fact several thousands of years before the Greeks in India, the Hindus knew well, not only of Astronomical Principles, but also of Universal Higher Astronomical and Philosophical Truths, that only later Westerners, such as Rutherford, could compare with!

    Now that we have given a general background of the origin of Astronomy, we now proceed to this work.

    Here, we discuss the nature of Ayurveda or Vedic Healing Science, called the “Science of Life” with relation to the Charts and Vedic Astrology (called Jyotish – the Light, having come from the Sun).

    Hopefully here we can explain the fundamental relationships between some of the Planets, their own characteristics and the Ayurvedic Astrology employed to help predict various problems and imbalances in the human body.
    Source -:
    http://satyavidya.com/AstronomicalRigVeda.htm

  85. Yogi says

    Namaste,

    I did spend lot of my time reading the whole Article and the comments. First of all i would like to appreciate the author for writing a good piece in laymen terms.

    And people who are really interested in “Science in Vedas”, please learn Sanskrit. English is NOT an appropriate language to be used to interpret the greatest knowledge acquired by human beings.

    Again, Vedas doesn’t give us straight answers to logical and illogical questions. It enables us to understand what is logical and it helps us find an appropriate answer. For eg :- Any mechanical products purchased from a hardware store comes with a ‘How to use guide’ only. We have to decide for WHAT & WHEN we use it. Similarly Vedas was and is used to enable ourselves to utilize our brains to its maximum potential to go LIMITLESS.

    For people who are just spamming the blog – Everyone of us have our own believes, if you think your religion and your scriptures are the greatest, then go study and follow them, instead of criticizing the facts that you have no idea about. First understand yourself and then your roots and then hit back at others.

    :)

  86. Nitai Chaitanya das, BSGM, BVNM says

    Yeah, I converted to Vaishnavism or Hinduism.
    Read World Vedic Heritage by P.N. Oak,
    Proof of Vedic Culture’s Global Existence by Stephen Knapp,
    Forbidden Archaeology by Michael Cremo and Richard Thomson

  87. Mahesh says

    Great work.
    As already said in this page, the purpose of vedas is not to provide worldly gadgets to human.
    But to raise the consciousness to the highest level and thereby by becoming a true “brahma gnani”

    thanks,
    Mahesh

  88. says

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  89. says

    Thanks for any other great post. Where else could anybody get that
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  90. bms says

    Please let me know, what veda says about the distance of sun and moon from the earth, is that matches with the modern science?

  91. sahil kohli says

    hey there,
    I am little bit confusing in that point where you said-“Earth is flat” – Yajur Ved 32.8. Earth is flat this said by Greek people. Our Vedas said earth is round as u written that -
    Rig Veda 10.149.1
    “The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself holding their reins.”
    if sun is round then earth is moving around it. Similarly earth is round then moon is revolving around it. If vedas can tell that moon is mving around the earth then vedas have the prove of the above line. So how can you say that vedas said that earth is flat?

  92. Mahesh khetan says

    hello Everyone,
    I simply want to tell the people who want to prove that vedas and upanishads and grantas are not good and have not come from devine spirits cause they read some articles from some gyani aur pandit on certain website and they believe on that pandits and send us the link to read it or the videos don’t you guys know we leave in India and here people can tell anything to be popular or to to be get notice if you want to argue about the the credibility of vedas simply read it and then come up with doubts and you will be explained properly. People tend to write controversial statement to get attentions believe on things that you actually read your self.
    brother agniveer doing great job simply ask for any help that we can provide to help you.

    Thanks and regard

  93. says

    Dear Agniveer,

    Thank your for your contribution on Vedic science information. Pls explore & investigate Vedic science research from Sankhya perhaps open the door for many possibilities hidden in ancient Sanskrit documents and its in depth understanding at http://www.kapillavastu.com . A small but fundamental notes from it. One would encourage every one interested to explore further as it points out all hidden/detectable spectrum of nature beyond currant understanding in science with precision.
    “Space comprises components (real elemental matter) at a critical density of 3.6 E minus 25 kgs/ cu. m. The components are in a dynamic interactive state of perpetual harmonic oscillations at a stress frequency of 2.965E +8 cycles/ sec with a1 meter wavelength. It is axiomatic and constant. When due to acceleration the stress frequency increases the formation of particles with mass occurs. At a mass of 9.5 E minus 35 kgs (Neutrino) it starts to become detectable and at 6.6 E minus 34 kgs it forms a quanta as a light and then on is visible. Light and Neutrinos are stress holograms on the basic dynamic components. That is why two opposing light waves do not collide and get destroyed/ Holograms change forms only. So a galaxy at boundary in Neutrino states and becomes light photons as density increases towards its centre (by compression) .”

  94. says

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  95. xdhruv says

    Good work !

    one thing I want to add that still we do not know exact translation of vedas. Since today we know the sanskrit is classical sanskrit but what had been written in vedas was old sanskrit and we today do not have scholars of that language for example in vedic period the custom was to explain the maximum in minimum possible words.
    first sloka of Rigveda

    Agni eelam purohitam

    here agni have different meanings Agni also means numero uno it also means God, fire.

    eelam= wake up, God, elaa was first lady of earth too

    purohitam= oldest, erudite, worshipper, God

    this was the simplest case.

    After mahabharta a new sect started known as Vaam margi, This sect was headed by Brahmins and they put concept of snatan dharma and at the same time vedic translations were quirked and manipulated and many of vedic words given the form of deities with supernatural power, and too many fantasies were created, caste system was in right light started by this sect, and in vedas we donot have caste system.

    swami dyananda tried to translate vedas but many scholars including Ram Krishanaparamhansa were not satisfied by his works as according to them the meaning of sentences were quirked by dyananda too.

  96. Rohit says

    Hi,

    Can you link me to an English translation of the Vedas, where the text you quoted has been taken from?

    And how do you suggest we can *prove* that the Vedas are false, if you can match up any sanskrit word with any meaning when needed?

  97. saroj says

    excellent wonderful
    thank you very much…………………..
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    MAY GOD ALWAYS BLESS YOU
    HARIHI OM

  98. says

    Agniveer , i want to know opinion of following article….is it perfectly translated or bit exaggerated….Why not you create an article on this.??..I think you should create because its big..
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    source :: http://ashoktiwari.tripod.com/eved.html
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    ELECTRICITY IN VEDAS
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    INTRODUCTION:

    For centuries, the history of India and in particular Hindu culture has been presented in the most distorted and falsified fashion. Most recently, Western historians and Indian historians influenced by the West, have constantly portrayed it in an absolutely erroneous manner. The most significant example of this type is the aberrant analysis has been applied to the greatest and most profound Hindu literature of all time, namely the Vedas.

    For Hindus, the Vedas are of completely divine origin. We believe that the Vedas are words of divine wisdom from the eternal source of Supreme Consciousness itself. Over many centuries, men of supremely exalted wisdom called “Rishis” compiled these eternal spiritual and natural laws into several volumes, which are called “Vedas”. However, according to self styled analysts like Max Mueller and thousands of Western as well as pseudo secular Indian historians, the Vedas are nothing but a bunch of ritualistic hymns connected with nothing more spiritual than charms and incantations. These people would have us believe that the profound heights of spiritual philosophy that are expressed in the Vedas, are nothing short of tribal superstitions upheld by a primitive people.

    Of all the Vedas, none has been more maligned than the Atharva Veda. Many historians have even gone on to say that it is nothing but “a manual of black and white magic”. Such exceptionally ignorant statements make it clear that sacred Hindu literature is being treated in the most demeaning and prejudiced way. Take for example such statements as “Above all the principal aim of the Atharva Veda is to appease the demons, to bless friends and to curse” by V.M. Apte, an Indian writer of modern times, or ” There are then numerous verses in the Atharveda, which according to their character and often also in their contents, differ just as little from the magic formulas of American Indian medicine-men and Tarter Shamans..” by Winternitz. These type of views clearly demonstrate the prejudices and biased approach that Western-educated historians bring to their analysis. Not only that, but it also shows that their views are conditioned by Western outlooks and ideals, bundled with the misgivings that the Christian viewpoint displays in dealing with anything mystical and alien to their own perception of “spiritual strictures of morality”

    While reading the Vedas, one must keep certain facts in mind:

    The Vedas are NOT historical accounts. They are not biographies of great kings and the battles they fought with demons, nor are they mythical legends about emperors and intrigues that existed long ago.
    2)The Vedas date MUCH further back than any Indus Valley Civilization. Long before the Harappans existed, these spiritual, scientific and natural laws had been collected by numerous brilliant Rishis and compiled into several unified compositions, all of which were given the general descriptive label of “Vedas”.
    3)The Vedas ARE compilations of the eternal laws governing human existence. Moreover each of the four Vedas was a treatise on particular subjects, specific only to itself. The word “Veda” itself means “sacred or pure knowledge” , having come from the root “Vid” meaning “to know”.

    Of these, the Atharvaveda consisted of nine branches or sakhas, according to sage Patanjali. These were:

    1) Paippalada

    2) Tauda

    3) Munda

    4) Saunakiya

    5) Jajala

    6) Jalada

    7) Brahmaveda

    8) Devadarsa

    9) Charanavaidya

    Of these nine, we know of only two, namely Saunaka and Paippalada branches. Even in this incomplete form, the Atharvaveda was the source of development for such immense philosophical systems as Tantra and practical systems like Ayurveda. Often, Hindu scriptures have been criticised, as being too vague and full of profoundly difficult philosophical flights and abstract concepts, that are impossible for the common reader to grasp. In fact, the Atharvaveda is a prime example of how the majority of Hindu scriptures DO delve into practical and material matters that affect everyday human life. The Vedas are a wealth of information, not only about philosophical and spiritual ideals, but also invaluable reference manuals that clearly explain the laws governing scientific phenomenon, practical applications, and the methods for utilization of awesome natural resources. Scientists, mathematicians, manufacturers, computer programmers and many others can greatly benefit from this vast repertoire of information and knowledge.

    Although most people today concentrate on significant aspects of the Atharvaveda such as medicinal plants and healing practices, many other fascinating subjects such as marriage rites, the healing properties of water, atomic and solar energy, electricity, and the states of the Supreme Consciousness are also discussed. (I will expound more on these subjects in future articles)

    One of the most exciting topics covered in the Atharvaveda is electricity and specifically, the detailed description of valuable applications that harness and utilize this immense source of energy. Some of the applications described, include important specifications for a control system that harnesses the intense power of electricity for use as a deadly weapon, utilization of hydroelectric power for manufacturing and the fission properties of electricity. These are only some of these amazing instances that clearly demonstrate how the most advanced scientific laws and phenomenons are described in the Atharvaveda.

    It will be fully apparent from the following verses that Electrical Energy and its properties were fully understood by Vedic sages. It was definitely used in everyday technological applications as much (if not more), as it is for us today. It is also clear that Vedic scientists knew far more about the properties of electricity than us. It was not till very recently, that modern day scientists discovered and began research on the potential usage of electrical energy in military science and related areas.

    What these verses clearly demonstrate to us is the fact that Vedic Society was at an extremely advanced state of technological advancement and fully utilized Electricity in innumerable productive applications

    I have followed a standard format to make identification of the verses easy. All of the verses have been taken from Kanda (Book) XX of the Atharvaveda translated by Devi Chand. The Sanskrit verses are highlighted in maroon where as their translations are highlighted in Blue. Each verse can be referenced directly in the order of Chapter (Anuvaka), Hymn (Sukta) and Verse number.

    NON-MILITARY APPLICATIONS OF ELECTRICITY:

    According to the descriptions found in Atharvaveda, electrical energy can be utilized in many useful applications such as creation of powerful engines, illumination, agricultural machinery, hydroelectric power plants, manufacturing plants, biomedical engineering, extraction of medicines, etc. and thus serve to greatly enhance the daily life of people

    Chapter 1: Hymn VII

    Verse 2: Nav Yo Navati Puro bibhed bahvotjasaa
    Ahi Cha vritrahaavadheet

    Electricity , which breaks, by the energy of its arms the 99 cities, destroys the cloud, which covers the rays of the sun, the source of all energy and power.

    This initial description describes the inherent properties of of electrical energy. Here the “arms of electricity” refers to positive and negative currents. The 99 cities refers to the 99 elements, as known to modern day scientists. In Vedic terminology, these essential elements were known as “Bhogas”.

    Verse 3: Sa na Indrah Shivah sakhashwavad gomadvavama
    Urudhaarev dohate

    That very electric power may be our peaceful friend, providing us with the horse-power to drive our machines, light to light up our houses, and power to produce grains in the fields. Let it bring on prosperity and well-being for us by flowing into numerous currents.

    These verses clearly refer to the various useful applications of electricity. The mention of horse powered driving machines is a direct reference to electronically powered vehicles like automobiles, aircraft, etc. In our times, even prototypes of electric cars are a very recent development. In the present era, Electric car prototypes were created due to the dawning realization that gasoline fuel is a perishable resource as well as polluting to the environment. It looks like thousands of years ago, our Rishis were already aware of these dangers and used electric engines in their vehicles, as one of their primary modes of transport as well as for motors, etc. for other types of machinery. This verse also clearly mentions that electricity was used to light up buildings, just as we do today. In addition there is a reference to electrically powered agricultural machines, which helped in the manufacture and processing of crops from the fields.

    Verse 4: Indra Kratuvidang sutang somang harya purushtut
    Piba vrishaswa taatripim

    Let electricity, so highly spoken of by many learned people, help extract the essence of medicines, thus produced by those, who are well-versed in manufacturing things. Let it keep safe and shower, on us the rain, satisfying all.

    In modern times, we have discovered that certain electronic devices such as centrifuges, deep refrigeration, etc. are extremely helpful in deriving medicinal extracts. Apparently our ancient scientists were well aware of these methods and perhaps even more advanced than us in their knowledge. The last sentence refers reverentially to the role of electricity, which in the form of lightning is instrumental in creating life giving rain for the entire planet. The picture that emerges from these verses is that of an extremely advanced culture, that utilized superlative technology and yet maintained an enormous respect and reverence for the ecosystem and the natural environment. The proponents of Vedic culture saw spirituality everywhere, and held sacred the power of all divine forces, from water, to electricity. Not only this, but they had analysed the properties and laws of all these natural energies and thus comprehended perfectly the best way to utilize them.

    Chapter 3 :Hymn XXXI

    Verse 1: Taa Vajrinam Mandinam Stomyam mad indram rathe vahato haryataa haree
    Purunyasmay savanaani haryata indraaya somaa harayo dadhanwire

    Those two speedily moving forces of attraction and repulsion propel the electric current, powerful like the thunderbolt, pleasant and praiseworthy, in this pleasant plane or car. Manifold are the generating powers for the refulgent electricity borne by speedy moving Somas – various kinds of liquid fuels.

    Verse 2: Arang Kaamaay Haryo dadhanwire sthiraay hinvanharayo Haree tura
    Arvadbhiyor Haribhijorshameeyate so asya kaamam harivantamaanashe

    The above mentioned speedy forces of two kinds set in motion strong currents, capable of maintaining steady progress in the attainment of one’s objective in plenty. Whatever complex is attained by these fast moving horsepowers, is enough to achieve the beautiful objective of his, the manufacturer.

    Here the principles of electromagnetic force discussed are being used to generate motion. In addition, the reference to a liquid fuel propellant, informs us that a combination of high-speed and intense electrical power was used to produce a number of favourable results like exceptionally fast vehicular modes of transportation, as well as efficient manufacturing processes. For example, extremely fast centrifugal force is used to separate genetic materials in Biomedical labs today. The combination of speed and power is certainly desirable to increase the efficiency of manufacturing plants.

    Chapter 2: Hymn XV

    Verse 2: Adha te vishwamanu haasadishtaya aapo nimneva savanaa havishmatah
    Yatparvate na samasheeta haryata indrasya vajrah shnathita hiranyayah

    Just as all productive works of the manufacturer depend upon waters flowing down with speed, so do all the desired objects of him depend upon you (Electricity), as its powerful striking force cannot be obstructed by any cloud, or mountain in the way. It smashes all impediments, with its radiant energy.

    This verse acknowledges the immense power of electricity and proves the Vedic community’s understanding of its intensity. Electricity does have the power of striking through any element. The portion about productive works depending on waters flowing with speed is an obvious reference to harnessing hydroelectric power. It is obvious from this verse that Vedic society was well aware of methods that harnessed the power of electricity through systems like hydroelectric power plants. Once harnessed, they incorporated the force to implement manufacturing concerns and power machinery.

    Verse 3: Asmay Bheemaaya namasaa samadhwara usho na shubhra aa bharaa paneeyase
    Yasya dhaam shravase naamendriyam jyotirkaari harito naayase

    O well-versed engineer make use of this terrible electric power fit to be utilized for useful purposes by controlling it, for non-violent, brilliant light like the dawn. It has the potentiality to help hearing, control energy and spread light in all quarters.

    This confirms the fact that electricity was a topic that was researched and explored in great detail. Skilled electrical engineers used to devise specific utilities and controls for electric power. Illumination was certainly one of its widely used applications. From the last line, we can also glean the information that electronic devices were used as hearing aids and sound magnifiers. Sophisticated systems for controlling electricity and measuring electricity were in place, and electronic panels that aided in controlling other forms of energy were also used.

    MILITARY USAGE OF ELECTRICITY:

    Now let’s turn to the truly amazing descriptions of electricity being utilized as a weapon in military combat. Up until very recently, modern day scientists were not even aware of this potentially devastating aspect of electricity being utilized as a weapon. It is only in the past decade or so, that scientific research has begun concentrating on the potential use of Electricity as a deadly weapon. Electrical bombs can be utilised to destroy all sorts of vital equipment and inflict massive damage. Topics like the EMP effect and the consequent possibilities of using electrical weapons, were rudimentary information to Vedic people, wheras we have barely begun our explorations on this topic.

    The ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP) effect was first observed during the early testing of high altitude airburst nuclear weapons. The effect is characterised by the production of a very short (hundreds of nanoseconds) but intense electromagnetic pulse, which propagates away from its source with ever diminishing intensity, governed by the theory of electromagnetism. The ElectroMagnetic Pulse is in effect an electromagnetic shock wave.

    This pulse of energy produces a powerful electromagnetic field, particularly within the vicinity of the weapon burst. The field can be sufficiently strong to produce short lived transient voltages of thousands of Volts (ie kiloVolts) on exposed electrical conductors, such as wires, or conductive tracks on printed circuit boards, where exposed.

    It is this aspect of the EMP effect which is of tremendous military significance, as it can result in irreversible damage to a wide range of electrical and electronic equipment, particularly computers and radio or radar receivers. Subject to the electromagnetic hardness of the electronics, a measure of the equipment’s resilience to this effect, and the intensity of the field produced by the weapon, the equipment can be irreversibly damaged or in effect destroyed. The damage inflicted would be the same as that of striking the equipment with huge bolts of lightning.

    Computers used in data processing systems, communications systems, displays, industrial control applications, including road and rail signalling, and those embedded in military equipment, such as signal processors, electronic flight controls and digital engine control systems, are especially vulnerable to the EMP effect.

    What amazes one is the fact that Vedic Rishis clearly KNEW about the EMP effect and have composed vivid descriptions of the usage of electric weapons as the verses below will demonstrate:

    Chapter 2: Hymn XV

    Verse 6: Twam tamindra parvatam mahaamurum vajrena vajrinparvshashchakartitha
    Avaasrijo nivritaah satarvaa apah satraa vishwam dadhishe kevalam sahah

    Just as the thundering electricity reduces the vast cloud to nothing by its thunderbolt, so do you, O King, equipped with piercing weapons like the thunderbolt, smash into pieces the vast armies of the enemy, consisting of various units, by your striking power like the thunderbolt. Just as the waters of the cloud released by the electricity, fall down and flow over the earth, similarly the well-equipped armies of the enemy; being subdued by the might of the king are duly regulated by him. Truly do you alone, O King, hold all the power to subdue the foes.

    The inference is quite obviously to weapons utilizing electricity. “Piercing weapons like the thunderbolt” is a clear pointer to surges of exceedingly high voltage. The lethal electric weapons are used to counter various units of the army. This is another clue, for as discussed above, the EMP effect can be used to advantage for a number of targets ranging from computers, to communication systems. Apparently electricity was employed as one of the primary weapons in military combat during the Vedic era.

    Chapter 4: Hymn XXXVIII

    Verse 5: Indra Idhyorah sacha sangmishal aa vachoyuja
    Indro vajri Hiranyah

    Electricity is well mixed up with Prana and Apana, the 2 horsepowers, yoked to power of speech. Electric power has the striking power of a deadly weapon and is full of brilliance.

    Here we find it stated starkly that electricity has the striking power of a deadly weapon. There can be no greater proof of the deployment of electrical weaponry during the Vedic era. An interesting suggestion is also made in the first line of this verse, that electrical energy is also present in the form of Prana and Apana, within the human body. “Prana” means “breath ” according to Tantra Yoga, wheras “Apana” is the Prana that exists in the area below the navel. According to Tantric thought Prana is charged with negative ions while Apana is charged with positive ions. When Prana is forced to enter through the central canal (Sushuma or Brahma Nadi) in the spinal column, the result is fusion of the negative and positive ions. This fusion generates an immense amount of energy, which awakens the dormant energy called Kundalini that lies at the base of the spine. Once Kundalini or the vital life force is awakened, it destroys the ignorance of the mind and results in enlightenment.

    We know now of course, that the cerebrospinal system is a great generator of electrical energy and has a fantastic network of nerves that serve as connectors. The cerebrum as it is called keeps on providing electrical energy. Through fine nerves, this energy is constantly supplied to the organism, providing life force. Thus we can see how these and other type of systems described in the Atharvaveda have a purely scientific basis.

    Chapter 3: Hymn XXX

    Verse 1: Pra te mahe vidathe shansisham hari pra te vanve vanusho haryatam madam
    Dhritam na yo haribhishcharu sechat aa tva vishantu harivparsang girah

    O electricity, I fully praise thy two forces of protection and destruction in this great universe, which is a great sacrificial place or battlefield of life. I highly cherish your beautiful exhilaration, destroying the evil forces of the enemy. You shower various forms of fortunes through your blessing powers of speedy action, like waters from the clouds. Let all praises find their abode in you of charming splendor.

    Here again, we find the mention of the dual nature of electrical energy. It can be destructive as in the EMP effect, and it can be protective as in the cerebrospinal system.

    Verse 3: So asya vajro harito ya aayso harinirkaamo harira gabhastyoh
    Dhumni sushipro harimanyusayaka indre ni roopa harita mimikshire

    Here is the blue-green colored thunderbolt of iron of the king. There is also the beautiful horse of iron of high speed. Here is also the horsepower of the rays of electricity. There is also the shining arrow, capable of destroying the pride of the enemy and having a very high speed. In short many kinds of weapons have been made through electric power for the king.

    These verses appear to be describing different sorts of electrical weapons. The “beautiful horse of iron of high speed” apparently refers to some type of metallic car/aircraft which can reach extremely high speeds. The horsepower for the engine for a craft or automobile of this sort was provided by electricity. The “shining arrow” can mean an exceptionally powerful ballistic missile loaded with an electric warhead. The missile was superfast and probably covered vast distances, it was apparently one of the main weapons that could be used to target the central command and control center of the enemy. Here we find a reference telling us that many advanced weapons utilizing electricity had been deployed in this era.

    Verse 4: Divi na keturadhi dhaayi haryato vivayachadvajro harito na ranghaya
    Tudadahi harishipro ya aayasah sahastrashokaa abhavadharibharah

    Like a radiant spot, it is well placed in the heavens, then with a high speed, the terribly destructive missile, made of iron, possessing speed of electric power, crushing the serpent natured enemy, becomes lit up with thousands of lights and loaded with destructive ray of various kinds.

    This makes the previous verse even more apparent. The missile being described seems to generate immense power and would be exceptionally destructive. It is possible that the electric weapons used by Vedic society may have been equivalent in destructive power to nuclear weapons, or perhaps even more lethal. They may also have been used for preliminary strikes before the actual use of nuclear weapons. A conventional electronic combat campaign, or intensive electronic combat operations, would initially concentrate on saturating the opponent’s electronic defences, denying information and inflicting maximum attrition upon electronic assets. The massed application of electromagnetic bombs in the opening phase of an electronic battle would allow much faster attainment of command as it would destroy electronic assets at a much faster rate than possible with conventional means. After this phase, it would be child’s play to completely destroy the enemy.

    Chapter 3: Hymn:XXI

    Verse 7: Yudha yudhmup ghedeshi dhrishnuya pura puram samidam hansyojasa
    Namya yadindra sakhya paraavati nibrahyo namuchi naam maayinam

    O mighty King, you can easily get at the striking power of the enemy by your overwhelming striking force. Being well-entrenched in your sheltered place of defense, you can thoroughly break the defenses of the enemy to smithereens. Completely crush the deceitful enemy, unfit to be left alive, through your faithful ally, although stationed at a distance.

    This particular reference is apparently to a remotely controlled electronic weapon system. This verse directly points to unleashing a tremendously high voltage surge that can blast into the defensive electrical equipment belonging to the enemy. The last sentence describes remote initiation of the bombing sequence, while the controller is stationed at a safe distance.

    Verse 8: Tvam karnyajmut parnayam vadhistejisthayaatithigvasya vartani
    Tvam shata vaddagridasyaabhintpuronaanudah parishuta rijishvana

    O mighty electricity, you kill the violent enemy, equipped with speedy means of communication like cars or airships, a hindrance in the way of people who are worthy of respect, cows or land by your consuming and splendorous power. You shatter the 100 forts of the adversary who obstructs your communications or breaks your regulations and does not pay tribute to you established by straightforward negotiations.

    In the case of electricity, 100 forts refers to 100 elements. It breaks all these through the power of fission, overcoming all resistances and obstructions in the way. Any trained electrical engineer must have complete knowledge of the complex laws and limitations governing electrical energy. There is an evident respect for electricity demonstrated here, for it is an awesome power indeed. Transport infrastructure can also be destroyed with the use of electromagnetic bombs. Railway and road signalling systems, where automated, are most vulnerable to electromagnetic attack on their control centres. Significantly, most modern automobiles and trucks use electronic ignition systems which are known to be vulnerable to electromagnetic weapons effects.

    Modern land warfare doctrine emphasises mobility, and manoeuvre warfare methods are typical for contemporary land warfare. Coordination and control are essential to the successful conduct of manoeuvre operations, and this provides another opportunity to apply electromagnetic weapons. Communications and command sites are key elements in the structure of such a land army, and these have concentrated communications and computer equipment. Therefore if the enemy is attacked with electromagnetic weapons, the entire command and control of land operations would be completely disrupted. Employing tactics like launching an initial attack with electromagnetic weapons would create a maximum of confusion, and if followed by an all out attack with conventional weapons would completely obliterate the enemy.

    Verse 9: Tvametam janrajyo dwidarshaabandhuna sushrvasopajagmushah
    Pashisht sahastra navati nava shruto ni chakrena rathya dushpadavrinak

    O electricity, you can by your circular motion like the wheel of a chariot, which is too powerful to be checked, well keep under control all these 20 basic elements, 6099 organic and inorganic bodies, by a single transmitter of high quality, with no other force to help it.

    In technological terms, coupling is the means to create an electric connection of two electric circuits by having a part common to both. One of the mechanisms, which can be exploited to improve coupling is the polarization of an electric weapon’s emission. Polarization simply means orienting the emission in a particular direction. If we assume that the orientations of possible coupling apertures and resonances in the target set are random in relation to the weapon’s antenna orientation, a linearly polarized emission would only exploit half of the opportunities available. A circularly polarized emission would exploit all coupling opportunities. A single transmitter of superior quality can control the entire emission.

    Verse 10: Tvamaavitha sushravasam tavotibhistava traambhirindra tuvrayaanam
    Tvamasmay kutsamatithigvamaayum mahe raagye yoone arndhanaayah

    O electricity, you keep in safety this good listening set, by your means of safety and protect the commander, with speedy mobile forces by your strong means of defense. You control the sharp weapons, equipped with the striking power of limitless time and speed for this great, youthful king.

    Other electronic devices and electrical equipment would also be destroyed by the EMP effect. Telecommunications equipment can be highly vulnerable, due to the presence of lengthy copper cables between devices. Receivers of all varieties are particularly sensitive to EMP, as highly sensitive miniature high frequency transistors and diodes in such equipment are easily destroyed by exposure to high voltage electrical transients. Therefore radar and electronic warfare equipment, satellite, microwave, UHF, VHF, HF and low band communications equipment and television equipment would all be destroyed by the EMP effect. This verse apparently refers to a defense mechanism created with the aid of electricity, which protects both the commander as well his entire system of wireless communications. It may be referring to some sort of shield which makes things unsusceptible to the emission. The advanced and deadly missiles of unlimited speed are controlled by electronic control panels.

    Chapter 4: Hymn XXXVII

    Verse 4: Tvam nibhinirmano devavitao bhooreeni vritraa haryashava hansi
    Tvam ni dasyum chumuri dhuni chasvaapyo dabhitaye suhantu

    O electrical currents of high voltage, safely carried by electric wires, you kill many enemies in the war, waged by learned persons or through the help of natural forces. To keep all the evil forces under control, you, being well-equipped with good means of destruction completely lay down to lasting sleep (death) the evil forces that rob and harass the general public.

    This verse is a simple testament to the intense power and utterly destructive force of electrical weapons

    CONCLUSION:

    There are many more such references to electrical energy in the Atharvaveda, however in the interests of keeping this article to a reasonable length, I have not reproduced every one of them. The discovery of such amazing truths in the Vedas, clearly undermines the very foundation of our smug assertions that Civilization and scientific advancement proceed forward in a linear fashion. It is high time for us to thoroughly analyse and learn from the invaluable resources that our forefathers have left us in the form of the divine Vedas and other profound Hindu literature.

    The Atharva Veda (Sanskrit Text with English Translation) translated by Devi Chand and published by Mushiram Manoharlal Publishers Pvt Ltd has been used to compose this article

  99. says

    Namaste Krishna

    In my opinion now time has come that we prove truthfulness of science in Vedas through our actions (inventions based on Vedic Mantras) and not through mere words.

    Thanks

  100. says

    i was asking why agniveer dont post an article on this,” electricity in atharvaveda ” ???..i just wanted to know is it true translation ??…can i promote it???

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