यहां प्रस्तुत सामग्री वैदिक शब्दों के आद्योपांत और वस्तुनिष्ठ विश्लेषण पर आधारित है, जिस संदर्भ में वे वैदिक शब्दकोष, शब्दशास्त्र, व्याकरण तथा वैदिक मंत्रों के यथार्थ निरूपण के लिए अति आवश्यक अन्य साधनों में प्रयुक्त हुए हैं | अतः यह शोध श्रृंखला मैक्समूलर, ग्रिफ़िथ, विल्सन, विलियम्स् तथा अन्य भारतीय विचारकों के वेद और वैदिक भाषा के कार्य  का अन्धानुकरण नहीं है | यद्यपि, पश्चिम के वर्तमान शिक्षा जगत में वे काफ़ी प्रचलित हैं, किंतु हमारे पास यह प्रमाणित करने  के पर्याप्त कारण हैं कि उनका कार्य सच्चाई से कोसों दूर है | उनके इस पहलू पर हम यहां विस्तार से प्रकाश डालेंगे |  विश्व की प्राचीनतम पुस्तक – वेद के प्रति गलत अवधारणाओं के विस्तृत विवेचन की श्रृंखला में यह प्रथम कड़ी है |

हिंदूओं के प्राथमिक पवित्र धर्म-ग्रंथ वेदों में अपवित्र बातों के भरे होने का लांछन सदियों से लगाया जा रहा है | यदि इन आक्षेपों को सही मान लिया जाए तो सम्पूर्ण हिन्दू संस्कृति, परंपराएं, मान्यताएं सिवाय वहशीपन, जंगलीयत और क्रूरता के और कुछ नहीं रह जाएंगी | वेद पृथ्वी पर ज्ञान के प्रथम स्रोत होने के अतिरिक्त हिन्दू धर्म के मूलाधार भी हैं, जो मानव मात्र के कल्याणमय जीवन जीने के लिए मार्गदर्शक हैं |

वेदों की झूठी निंदा करने की यह मुहीम उन विभिन्न तत्वों ने चला रखी है जिनके निहित स्वार्थ वेदों से कुछ चुनिंदा सन्दर्भों का हवाला देकर हिन्दुओं  को दुनिया के समक्ष नीचा दिखाना चाहते हैं | यह सब गरीब और अशिक्षित भारतियों से अपनी मान्यताओं को छुड़वाने में काफ़ी कारगर साबित होता है कि उनके मूलाधार वेदों में नारी की अवमानना, मांस- भक्षण, बहुविवाह, जातिवाद और यहां तक की गौ- मांस भक्षण जैसे सभी अमानवीय तत्व विद्यमान हैं |

वेदों में आए त्याग या दान के अनुष्ठान के सन्दर्भों में जिसे यज्ञ भी कहा गया है, लोगों ने पशुबलिदान को आरोपित कर दिया है | आश्चर्य की बात है कि भारत में जन्में, पले- बढे बुद्धिजीवियों का एक वर्ग जो प्राचीन भारत के गहन अध्ययन का दावा करता है, वेदों में इन अपवित्र तत्वों को सिद्ध करने के लिए पाश्चात्य विद्वानों का सहारा लेता है |

वेदों द्वारा गौ हत्या और गौ मांस को स्वीकृत बताना हिन्दुओं की आत्मा पर मर्मान्तक प्रहार है | गाय का सम्मान हिन्दू धर्म का केंद्र बिंदू है | जब कोई हिन्दू को उसकी मान्यताओं और मूल सिद्धांतों में दोष या खोट दिखाने में सफल हो जाए, तो उस में हीन भावना जागृत होती है और फिर वह आसानी से मार्गभ्रष्ट किया जा सकता है |  ऐसे लाखों नादान हिन्दू हैं जो इन बातों से अनजान हैं, इसलिए प्रति उत्तर देने में नाकाम होने के कारण अन्य मतावलंबियों के सामने समर्पण कर देते हैं |

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जितने भी स्थापित हित – जो वेदों को बदनाम कर रहे हैं वे केवल पाश्चात्य और भारतीय विशेषज्ञों तक ही सीमित नहीं हैं | हिन्दुओं में एक खास जमात ऐसी है जो जनसंख्या के सामाजिक और आर्थिक रूप से पिछड़ें तबकों का शोषण कर अपनी बात मानने और उस पर अमल करने को बाध्य करती है  अन्यथा दुष्परिणाम भुगतने की धमकी देती है |

वेदों के नाम पर थोपी गई इन सारी मिथ्या बातों का उत्तरदायित्व मुख्यतः मध्यकालीन वेदभाष्यकार महीधर, उव्वट और सायण द्वारा की गई व्याख्याओं पर है तथा वाम मार्गियों या तंत्र मार्गियों द्वारा वेदों के नाम से अपनी पुस्तकों में चलायी गई कुप्रथाओं पर है | एक अवधि के दौरान यह असत्यता सर्वत्र फ़ैल गई और अपनी जड़ें गहराई तक ज़माने में सफल रही, जब पाश्चात्य विद्वानों ने संस्कृत की अधकचरी जानकारी से वेदों के अनुवाद के नाम पर सायण और महीधर के वेद- भाष्य की व्याख्याओं का वैसा का वैसा अपनी लिपि में रूपांतरण कर लिया | जबकि वे वेदों के मूल अभिप्राय को समुचित रूप समझने के लिए अति आवश्यक शिक्षा (स्वर विज्ञान), व्याकरण, निरुक्त (शब्द व्युत्पत्ति शास्त्र), निघण्टु (वैदिक कोष), छंद , ज्योतिष तथा कल्प इत्यादि के ज्ञान से सर्वथा शून्य थे |

अग्निवीर के आन्दोलन का उद्देश्य वेदों के बारे में ऐसी मिथ्या धारणाओं का वास्तविक मूल्यांकन कर उनकी पवित्रता,शुद्धता,महान संकल्पना तथा मान्यता की स्थापना करना है | जो सिर्फ हिन्दुओं के लिए ही नहीं बल्कि मानव मात्र के लिए बिना किसी बंधन,पक्षपात या भेदभाव के समान रूप से उपलब्ध हैं |

.पशु-हिंसा का विरोध

यस्मिन्त्सर्वाणि  भूतान्यात्मैवाभूद्विजानत:

तत्र  को  मोहः  कः  शोक   एकत्वमनुपश्यत:

यजुर्वेद  ४०। ७

जो सभी भूतों में अपनी ही आत्मा को देखते हैं, उन्हें कहीं पर भी शोक या मोह नहीं रह जाता क्योंकि वे उनके साथ अपनेपन की अनुभूति करते हैं | जो आत्मा के नष्ट न होने में और पुनर्जन्म में विश्वास रखते हों, वे कैसे यज्ञों में पशुओं का वध करने की सोच भी सकते हैं ? वे तो अपने पिछले दिनों के प्रिय और निकटस्थ लोगों को उन जिन्दा प्राणियों में देखते हैं |

 

अनुमन्ता विशसिता निहन्ता क्रयविक्रयी

संस्कर्ता चोपहर्ता च खादकश्चेति घातकाः

मनुस्मृति ५।५१

मारने की आज्ञा देने वाला, पशु को मारने के लिए लेने वाला, बेचने वाला, पशु को मारने वाला,

मांस को खरीदने और बेचने वाला, मांस को पकाने वाला और मांस खाने वाला यह सभी हत्यारे हैं |

ब्रीहिमत्तं यवमत्तमथो माषमथो तिलम्

एष वां भागो निहितो रत्नधेयाय दान्तौ मा हिंसिष्टं पितरं मातरं च

अथर्ववेद ६।१४०।२

हे दांतों की दोनों पंक्तियों ! चावल खाओ, जौ खाओ, उड़द खाओ और तिल खाओ |

यह अनाज तुम्हारे लिए ही बनाये गए हैं | उन्हें मत मारो जो माता – पिता बनने की योग्यता रखते हैं |

 

य आमं मांसमदन्ति पौरुषेयं च ये क्रविः

गर्भान् खादन्ति केशवास्तानितो नाशयामसि

अथर्ववेद ८। ६।२३

वह लोग जो नर और मादा, भ्रूण और अंड़ों के नाश से उपलब्ध हुए मांस को कच्चा या पकाकर खातें हैं, हमें उन्हें नष्ट कर देना चाहिए |

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अनागोहत्या वै भीमा कृत्ये

मा नो गामश्वं पुरुषं वधीः

अथर्ववेद १०।१।२९

निर्दोषों को मारना निश्चित ही महा पाप है | हमारे गाय, घोड़े और पुरुषों को मत मार | वेदों में गाय और अन्य पशुओं के वध का स्पष्टतया निषेध होते हुए, इसे वेदों के नाम पर कैसे उचित ठहराया जा सकता है?

 

अघ्न्या यजमानस्य पशून्पाहि

यजुर्वेद १।१

हे मनुष्यों ! पशु अघ्न्य हैं – कभी न मारने योग्य, पशुओं की रक्षा करो |

 

पशूंस्त्रायेथां

यजुर्वेद ६।११

पशुओं का पालन करो |

 

द्विपादव चतुष्पात् पाहि

यजुर्वेद १४।८

हे मनुष्य ! दो पैर वाले की रक्षा कर और चार पैर वाले की भी रक्षा कर |

 

क्रव्य दा – क्रव्य (वध से प्राप्त मांस ) + अदा (खानेवाला) = मांस भक्षक |

पिशाच — पिशित (मांस) +अस (खानेवाला) = मांस खाने वाला |

असुत्रपा –  असू (प्राण )+त्रपा(पर तृप्त होने वाला) =   अपने भोजन के लिए दूसरों के प्राण हरने वाला |  |

गर्भ दा  और अंड़ दा = भूर्ण और अंड़े खाने वाले |

मांस दा = मांस खाने वाले |

वैदिक साहित्य में मांस भक्षकों को अत्यंत तिरस्कृत किया गया है | उन्हें राक्षस, पिशाच आदि की संज्ञा दी गई है जो दरिन्दे और हैवान माने गए हैं तथा जिन्हें सभ्य मानव समाज से बहिष्कृत समझा गया है |

 

ऊर्जं नो धेहि द्विपदे चतुष्पदे

यजुर्वेद ११।८३

सभी दो पाए और चौपाए प्राणियों को बल और पोषण प्राप्त हो |  हिन्दुओं द्वारा भोजन ग्रहण करने से पूर्व बोले जाने वाले इस मंत्र में प्रत्येक जीव के लिए पोषण उपलब्ध होने की कामना की गई है | जो दर्शन प्रत्येक प्राणी के लिए जीवन के हर क्षण में कल्याण ही चाहता हो, वह पशुओं के वध को मान्यता कैसे देगा ?

 

२.यज्ञ में हिंसा का विरोध

जैसी कुछ लोगों की प्रचलित मान्यता है कि यज्ञ में पशु वध किया जाता है, वैसा बिलकुल नहीं है | वेदों में यज्ञ को श्रेष्ठतम कर्म या एक ऐसी क्रिया कहा गया है जो वातावरण को अत्यंत शुद्ध करती है |

 

अध्वर इति यज्ञानाम  – ध्वरतिहिंसा कर्मा तत्प्रतिषेधः

निरुक्त २।७

निरुक्त या वैदिक शब्द व्युत्पत्ति शास्त्र में यास्काचार्य के अनुसार यज्ञ का एक नाम अध्वर भी है | ध्वर का मतलब है हिंसा सहित किया गया कर्म, अतः अध्वर का अर्थ हिंसा रहित कर्म है | वेदों में अध्वर के ऐसे प्रयोग प्रचुरता से पाए जाते हैं |

 

महाभारत के परवर्ती काल में वेदों के गलत अर्थ किए गए तथा अन्य कई धर्म – ग्रंथों के विविध तथ्यों को  भी प्रक्षिप्त किया गया | आचार्य शंकर वैदिक मूल्यों की पुनः स्थापना में एक सीमा तक सफल रहे | वर्तमान समय में स्वामी दयानंद सरस्वती – आधुनिक भारत के पितामह ने वेदों की व्याख्या वैदिक भाषा के सही नियमों तथा यथार्थ प्रमाणों के आधार पर की | उन्होंने वेद-भाष्य, सत्यार्थ प्रकाश, ऋग्वेदादिभाष्यभूमिका तथा अन्य ग्रंथों की रचना की | उनके इस साहित्य से वैदिक मान्यताओं पर आधारित व्यापक सामाजिक सुधारणा हुई तथा वेदों के बारे में फैली हुई भ्रांतियों का निराकरण हुआ |

 

आइए,यज्ञ के बारे में वेदों के मंतव्य को जानें –

अग्ने यं यज्ञमध्वरं विश्वत: परि भूरसि

स इद देवेषु गच्छति
ऋग्वेद   १ ।१।४

हे दैदीप्यमान प्रभु ! आप के द्वारा व्याप्त हिंसा रहित यज्ञ सभी के लिए लाभप्रद दिव्य गुणों से युक्त है तथा विद्वान मनुष्यों द्वारा स्वीकार किया गया है | ऋग्वेद में सर्वत्र यज्ञ को हिंसा रहित कहा गया है इसी तरह अन्य तीनों वेद भी वर्णित करते हैं | फिर यह कैसे माना जा सकता है कि वेदों में हिंसा या पशु वध की आज्ञा है ?

 

यज्ञों में पशु वध की अवधारणा  उनके (यज्ञों ) के विविध प्रकार के नामों के कारण आई है जैसे अश्वमेध  यज्ञ, गौमेध यज्ञ तथा नरमेध यज्ञ | किसी अतिरंजित कल्पना से भी इस संदर्भ में मेध का अर्थ वध संभव नहीं हो सकता |

 

यजुर्वेद अश्व का वर्णन करते हुए कहता  है –

इमं मा हिंसीरेकशफं पशुं कनिक्रदं वाजिनं वाजिनेषु

यजुर्वेद  १३।४८

इस एक खुर वाले, हिनहिनाने वाले तथा बहुत से पशुओं में अत्यंत वेगवान प्राणी का वध मत कर |अश्वमेध से अश्व को यज्ञ में बलि देने का तात्पर्य नहीं है इसके विपरीत यजुर्वेद में अश्व को नही मारने का स्पष्ट उल्लेख है | शतपथ में अश्व शब्द राष्ट्र या साम्राज्य के लिए आया है | मेध अर्थ वध नहीं होता | मेध शब्द बुद्धिपूर्वक किये गए कर्म को व्यक्त करता है | प्रकारांतर से उसका अर्थ मनुष्यों में संगतीकरण का भी है |  जैसा कि मेध शब्द के धातु (मूल ) मेधृ -सं -ग -मे के अर्थ से स्पष्ट होता है |

 

राष्ट्रं  वा  अश्वमेध:

अन्नं  हि  गौ:

अग्निर्वा  अश्व:

आज्यं  मेधा:

(शतपथ १३।१।६।३)

स्वामी  दयानन्द सरस्वती सत्यार्थ प्रकाश में लिखते हैं :-

राष्ट्र या साम्राज्य के वैभव, कल्याण और समृद्धि के लिए समर्पित यज्ञ ही अश्वमेध यज्ञ है |  गौ शब्द का अर्थ पृथ्वी भी है | पृथ्वी तथा पर्यावरण की शुद्धता के लिए समर्पित यज्ञ गौमेध कहलाता है | ” अन्न, इन्द्रियाँ,किरण,पृथ्वी, आदि को पवित्र रखना गोमेध |”  ” जब मनुष्य मर जाय, तब उसके शरीर का विधिपूर्वक दाह करना नरमेध कहाता है | ”

 

३.गौ – मांस का निषेध

वेदों  में पशुओं की हत्या का  विरोध तो है ही बल्कि गौ- हत्या पर तो तीव्र आपत्ति करते हुए उसे निषिद्ध माना गया है | यजुर्वेद में गाय को जीवनदायी पोषण दाता मानते हुए गौ हत्या को वर्जित किया गया है |

घृतं दुहानामदितिं जनायाग्ने  मा हिंसी:

यजुर्वेद १३।४९

सदा ही रक्षा के पात्र गाय और बैल को मत मार |

 

आरे  गोहा नृहा  वधो  वो  अस्तु

ऋग्वेद  ७ ।५६।१७

ऋग्वेद गौ- हत्या को जघन्य अपराध घोषित करते हुए मनुष्य हत्या के तुल्य मानता है और ऐसा महापाप करने वाले के लिये दण्ड का विधान करता है |

 

सूयवसाद  भगवती  हि  भूया  अथो  वयं  भगवन्तः  स्याम

अद्धि  तर्णमघ्न्ये  विश्वदानीं  पिब  शुद्धमुदकमाचरन्ती

ऋग्वेद १।१६४।४०

अघ्न्या गौ- जो किसी भी अवस्था में नहीं मारने योग्य हैं, हरी घास और शुद्ध जल के सेवन से स्वस्थ  रहें जिससे कि हम उत्तम सद् गुण,ज्ञान और ऐश्वर्य से युक्त हों |वैदिक कोष निघण्टु में गौ या गाय के पर्यायवाची शब्दों में अघ्न्या, अहि- और अदिति का भी समावेश है | निघण्टु के भाष्यकार यास्क इनकी व्याख्या में कहते हैं -अघ्न्या – जिसे कभी न मारना चाहिए | अहि – जिसका कदापि वध नहीं होना चाहिए | अदिति – जिसके खंड नहीं करने चाहिए | इन तीन शब्दों से यह भलीभांति विदित होता है कि गाय को किसी भी प्रकार से पीड़ित नहीं करना चाहिए | प्राय: वेदों में गाय इन्हीं नामों से पुकारी गई है |

 

अघ्न्येयं  सा  वर्द्धतां  महते  सौभगाय

ऋग्वेद १ ।१६४।२७

अघ्न्या गौ-  हमारे लिये आरोग्य एवं सौभाग्य लाती हैं |

 

सुप्रपाणं  भवत्वघ्न्याभ्य:

ऋग्वेद ५।८३।८

अघ्न्या गौ के लिए शुद्ध जल अति उत्तमता से उपलब्ध हो |

 

यः  पौरुषेयेण  क्रविषा  समङ्क्ते  यो  अश्व्येन  पशुना  यातुधानः

यो  अघ्न्याया  भरति  क्षीरमग्ने  तेषां  शीर्षाणि  हरसापि  वृश्च

ऋग्वेद १०।८७।१६

मनुष्य, अश्व या अन्य पशुओं के मांस से पेट भरने वाले तथा दूध देने वाली अघ्न्या गायों का विनाश करने वालों को कठोरतम दण्ड देना चाहिए |

 

विमुच्यध्वमघ्न्या देवयाना अगन्म

यजुर्वेद १२।७३

अघ्न्या गाय और बैल तुम्हें समृद्धि प्रदान करते हैं |

 

मा गामनागामदितिं  वधिष्ट

ऋग्वेद  ८।१०१।१५

गाय को मत मारो | गाय निष्पाप और अदिति – अखंडनीया है  |

 

अन्तकाय  गोघातं

यजुर्वेद ३०।१८

गौ हत्यारे का संहार किया जाये |

 

यदि  नो  गां हंसि यद्यश्वम् यदि  पूरुषं

तं  त्वा  सीसेन  विध्यामो  यथा  नो  सो  अवीरहा

अर्थववेद १।१६।४

यदि कोई हमारे गाय,घोड़े और पुरुषों की हत्या करता है, तो उसे सीसे की गोली से उड़ा दो |

 

वत्सं  जातमिवाघ्न्या

अथर्ववेद ३।३०।१

आपस में उसी प्रकार प्रेम करो, जैसे अघ्न्या – कभी न मारने योग्य गाय – अपने बछड़े से करती है |

 

धेनुं  सदनं  रयीणाम्

अथर्ववेद ११।१।४

गाय सभी ऐश्वर्यों का उद्गम है |

 

ऋग्वेद के ६ वें मंडल का सम्पूर्ण २८ वां सूक्त गाय की महिमा बखान रहा है —

१.आ  गावो अग्मन्नुत भद्रमक्रन्त्सीदन्तु

प्रत्येक जन यह सुनिश्चित करें कि गौएँ यातनाओं से दूर तथा स्वस्थ रहें |

 

२.भूयोभूयो  रयिमिदस्य  वर्धयन्नभिन्ने

गाय की  देख-भाल करने वाले को ईश्वर का आशीर्वाद प्राप्त होता है |

 

 

३.न ता नशन्ति न दभाति तस्करो नासामामित्रो व्यथिरा दधर्षति

गाय पर शत्रु भी शस्त्र  का प्रयोग न करें |

 

४. न ता अर्वा रेनुककाटो अश्नुते न संस्कृत्रमुप यन्ति ता अभि

कोइ भी गाय का वध न करे  |

 

५.गावो भगो गाव इन्द्रो मे अच्छन्

गाय बल और समृद्धि  लातीं  हैं |

 

६. यूयं गावो मेदयथा

गाय यदि स्वस्थ और प्रसन्न रहेंगी  तो पुरुष और स्त्रियाँ भी निरोग और समृद्ध होंगे |

 

७. मा वः स्तेन ईशत माघशंस:

गाय हरी घास और शुद्ध जल क सेवन करें | वे मारी न जाएं और हमारे लिए समृद्धि लायें |

 

वेदों में मात्र गाय ही नहीं  बल्कि प्रत्येक प्राणी के लिए प्रद्रर्शित उच्च भावना को समझने  के लिए और  कितने प्रमाण दिएं जाएं ? प्रस्तुत प्रमाणों से सुविज्ञ पाठक स्वयं यह निर्णय कर सकते हैं कि वेद किसी भी प्रकार कि अमानवीयता के सर्वथा ख़िलाफ़ हैं और जिस में गौ – वध तथा गौ- मांस का तो पूर्णत: निषेध है |

 

वेदों में गौ मांस का कहीं कोई विधान नहीं  है |

 

 

संदर्भ ग्रंथ सूची

१.ऋग्वेद भाष्य – स्वामी दयानंद सरस्वती

२.यजुर्वेद भाष्य -स्वामी दयानंद सरस्वती

३.No Beef in Vedas -B D Ukhul

४.वेदों का यथार्थ स्वरुप – पंडित धर्मदेव विद्यावाचस्पति

५.चारों वेद संहिता – पंडित दामोदर सातवलेकर

६. प्राचीन भारत में गौ मांस – एक समीक्षा – गीता प्रेस,गोरखपुर

७.The Myth of Holy Cow – D N Jha

८. Hymns of Atharvaveda – Griffith

९.Scared Book of the East – Max Muller

१०.Rigved Translations – Williams Jones

११.Sanskrit – English Dictionary – Moniar Williams

१२.वेद – भाष्य – दयानंद संस्थान

१३.Western Indologists – A Study of Motives – Pt.Bhagavadutt

१४.सत्यार्थ प्रकाश – स्वामी दयानंद सरस्वती

१५.ऋग्वेदादिभाष्यभूमिका – स्वामी दयानंद सरस्वती

१६.Cloud over Understanding of Vedas – B D Ukhul

१७.शतपथ ब्राहमण

१८.निरुक्त – यास्काचार्य

१९. धातुपाठ – पाणिनि

 

परिशिष्ट, १४ अप्रैल २०१०

इस लेख के पश्चात् उन विभिन्न स्रोतों से तीखी प्रतिक्रिया हुई जिनके गले से यह सच्चाई नहीं उतर सकती कि हमारे वेद और राष्ट्र की प्राचीन संस्कृति अधिक आदर्शस्वरूप हैं बनिस्पत उनकी आधुनिक साम्यवादी विचारधारा के | मुझे कई मेल प्राप्त हुए जिनमें इस लेख को झुठलाने के प्रयास में अतिरिक्त हवाले देकर गोमांस का समर्थन दिखाया गया है | जिनमें ऋग्वेद से २ मंत्र ,मनुस्मृति के कुछ श्लोक तथा कुछ अन्य उद्धरण दिए गए हैं | जिसका एक उदाहरण यहाँ अवतार गिल की टिप्पणी है | इस बारे में मैं निम्न बातें कहना चाहूंगा —

a. लेख में प्रस्तुत मनुस्मृति के साक्ष्य में वध की अनुमति देने वाले तक को हत्यारा कहा गया है | अतः यह सभी अतिरिक्त श्लोक मनुस्मृति में प्रक्षेपित ( मिलावट किये गए) हैं या इनके अर्थ को बिगाड़ कर गलत रूप में प्रस्तुत किया गया है | मैं उन्हें डा. सुरेन्द्र कुमार द्वारा भाष्य की गयी मनुस्मृति पढ़ने की सलाह दूंगा |

b. प्राचीन साहित्य में गोमांस को सिद्ध करने के उनके अड़ियल रवैये के कपट का एक प्रतीक यह है कि वह मांस शब्द का अर्थ हमेशा मीट (गोश्त) के संदर्भ में ही लेते हैं | दरअसल, मांस शब्द की परिभाषा किसी भी गूदेदार वस्तु के रूप में की जाती है | मीट को मांस कहा जाता है क्योंकि वह गूदेदार होता है | इसी से, केवल मांस शब्द के प्रयोग को देखकर ही मीट नहीं समझा जा सकता |

c. उनके द्वारा प्रस्तुत अन्य उद्धरण संदेहास्पद एवं लचर हैं जो प्रमाण नहीं माने जा सकते | उनका तरीका बहुत आसान है – संस्कृत में लिखित किसी भी वचन को धर्म के रूप में प्रतिपादित करके मन माफ़िक अर्थ किये जाएं | इसी तरह, वे हमारी पाठ्य पुस्तकों में अनर्गल अपमानजनक दावों को भरकर मूर्ख बनाते आ रहें हैं |

d. वेदों से संबंधित जिन दो मंत्रों को प्रस्तुत कर वे गोमांस भक्षण को सिद्ध मान रहे हैं, आइए उनकी पड़ताल करें –

दावा:- ऋग्वेद (१०/८५/१३) कहता है -” कन्या के विवाह अवसर पर गाय और बैल का वध किया जाए | ”

तथ्य : – मंत्र में बताया गया है कि शीत ऋतु में मद्धिम हो चुकी सूर्य किरणें पुनः वसंत ऋतु में प्रखर हो जाती हैं | यहां सूर्य -किरणों के लिए प्रयुक्त शब्द  ‘गो’ है, जिसका एक अर्थ ‘गाय’ भी होता है | और इसीलिए मंत्र का अर्थ करते समय सूर्य – किरणों के बजाये गाय को विषय रूप में लेकर भी किया जा सकता है | ‘मद्धिम’ को सूचित करने के लिए ‘हन्यते’ शब्द का प्रयोग किया गया है, जिसका मतलब हत्या भी हो सकता है | परन्तु यदि ऐसा मान भी लें, तब भी मंत्र की अगली पंक्ति (जिसका अनुवाद जानबूझ कर छोड़ा गया है)  कहती है कि -वसंत ऋतु में वे अपने वास्तविक स्वरुप को पुनः प्राप्त होती हैं | भला सर्दियों में मारी गई गाय दोबारा वसंत ऋतु में पुष्ट कैसे हो सकती है ? इस से भली प्रकार सिद्ध हो रहा है कि ज्ञान से कोरे कम्युनिस्ट किस प्रकार वेदों के साथ पक्षपात कर कलंकित करते हैं |

दावा :- ऋग्वेद (६/१७/१) का कथन है, ” इन्द्र गाय, बछड़े, घोड़े और भैंस का मांस खाया करते थे |”

तथ्य :- मंत्र में वर्णन है कि प्रतिभाशाली विद्वान, यज्ञ की अग्नि को प्रज्वलित करने वाली समिधा की भांति विश्व को दीप्तिमान कर देते हैं | अवतार गिल और उनके मित्रों को इस में इन्द्र,गाय,बछड़ा, घोड़ा और भैंस कहां से मिल गए,यह मेरी समझ से बाहर है | संक्षेप में, मैं अपनी इस प्रतिज्ञा पर दृढ़ हूँ कि वेदों में गोमांस भक्षण का समर्थक एक भी मंत्र प्रमाणित करने पर मैं हर उस मार्ग को स्वीकार करने के लिए तैयार हूँ जो मेरे लिए नियत किया जाएगा अन्यथा वे वेदों की ओर वापिस लौटें |

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  1. Faheem or uske kuch jihadi dosto ko sirf jihad or aatankwad k alawa kuch smjh nhi aata. kya kre bechro ko abbu ne bataya nhi ya fir use khud pta nhi ki uske kitne abbu hai. :p

  2. Kuch log koi bhi galat kaam karte hain aur apne neeji swaarthon ki poorti ke liye un galat kaaryon ko sahi thahraane ke liye wo dhaarmik granthon ki galat vyakhya karte hain ya unko bilkul tod-marodkar pesh karte hain. Aur kaafi log unki baaton par aasaani se vishwaas bhi kar lete hain kyonki na to unhone kabhi dharmik granthon ko dekha hota hai aur na hi kabhi unko padha hota hai. Isliye ab humein samaj mein faili huyi bhrantiyon ko tathyon ke aadhaar par dur karne ki aavashyakta hai.

  3. Vedas ya anya kisi bhi Granth mein pasuvaddh karne ki anumati nahi di gayi hai. Jab Shankaracharya apni digvijay karte huye Himachal Pradesh pahunche us samay wahan ke tantrik sampradayon mein narbali ki pratha thi aur wo usko Vedas ke anusaar bataate the. Shankaracharya ne unko shaastraarth ke liye bulaya aur unko shaastraarth mein praajit kiya aur siddh kiya ki narbali Vedas ke bilkul khilaf hai. Tantrikon ne narbali pratha ko tyaag diya aur narbela ko nadi mein visarjit kar diya.

  4. Sanjeev Ji main aapke mat se poori tarah se sahmat hoon. Ek baar bahut samay pahle mujhe bhi is vichitra sawaal ka saamna karna pada jab ek debate ke dauraan kuch logon ne kaha ki Vedas mein likha hai ki aap Gau Maans kha sakte hain. Us samay maine unke is aarop ko poori tarah se galat aur bhramak siddh kar diya tha. Kuch log aasaani se unki baaton ko maan lete hain kyonki unhone kabhi bhi Vedas ya anya granth nahi padhe hote hain. Max Muller ne Vedas ki bahut galat vyakhya ki hai.

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  6. Mr sanjeev newer
    agr aapko lgta h k aap logon ko sahi disha ki taraf le ja rahe ho to ek debate kijiye na zakir naik se.. doodh ka doodh or paani ka paani ho jaye.. ho sakta h humein bhi aapki baat samajh me aa jaye..varna hum sab log to aapko kayar hi samjhenge..

    • Hum me se kisi kobhi Zoker Naik se behes karne ki jaroorat hi nahi hai, vo bus apne Agenda ko fela raha hai, Islam me kuch batien achchi hien lekin sab batien achchi nahi hai, or Jakir bas yahi galti karta hai vo apne ko sab sahi or doosre ko sab galat ataa hai, ane valey samaya me app jese muslim bhai hi Jakir ko joota lagane vale hien, iski shuruat ho bhi chuki hai

  7. @Gulzar
    Tum kaha tak bhago ge me tumbe ek aur Quran ki ayat Deta hu jisme Muhammad kah raha ke Allah ne prithvi ko bed ki tarah banaya hai

    Yaha par iss ayaat me “mahdan” word hai jiska arbi me arth bed hota hai.

    Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-arda mahdan wajaAAala lakum feeha subulan laAAallakum tahtadoona

    Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:10)

    Who has made for you the earth like a bed, and has made for you roads therein, in order that you may find your way.

    Ab batao bed kaise gol hota hai?

    • Abdu Rasul

      check kijiye bhaag main nahin raha balki tum bhaag rahe ho baar baar topic badal badal kar .,tum har baar topic badal dete ho jab tumhare paas jawab nahin hota.,

      or aap is aayat ka matlab bhi galat nikal rahe ho., sahi matlab padiye.

      QURAN 43.10
      wah jisne tumhare liye zameen ko farsh banaya our tumhare liye us me banaye raaste taaki tum raah pao.,

      samajh to aap ki sahi nahin hai., blame dusron par madte ho.

      • @Gulzar Ansari

        Abe Arbi me padh.

        iss ayat me kahi farsh shabd hai Qya Quran 43.10. Tu mujhse jyada janta hai arbi? “Mahdan” shabd ko dekh arbi me aur iska arth check kar. Muhammad bevkoof tha aur tum uske jhuth ko sach banane me lage huye ho.
        Quran 43.10
        Allathee jaAAala lakumu al-arda “mahdan” wajaAAala lakum feeha subulan laAAallakum tahtadoona

      • tu check kar mr abdu., mahdan ke kitne meanings nikalte hain., tu to zyada padha likha hai na,. tab bhi teri samajh me is aayat ka matlab samajh ni aata., ki ye aayat kya batati hai., tu english me translate padh raha hai main arbi hindi urdu., yahi to fark hai., tu sirf kamiya nikalne ke liye padhta hai main sahi matlab samajne ko.,. tu bhi jab dil se sache man se samjhega to tujhe bhi pata lagega is aayat me quran kya kahta hai.,

  8. Kyon nahin bata raha mr abdu. Ke aakhir tu kis dharm ko maanta hai… ? Maanavta ti har dharm me hai.. hindu dharm me manavta nahin hai kya jo tu khud ko hindu bhi kahalwana nahin chahta.?

    Bta bhai agar haram ka jana nahin hai to topic bina badle bata.. tera ye manavta ka dharm kab bana hai ? Kaise bana ? Iski koi kitab hai bhi ke nahin.. ?

    Itna gyani samajhta h khud ko to bata na dharm kahte kise hain.. ??

    • @Gulzar Ansari
      Raam ka Qya dharm tha? Hanumaan ka Qya dharm tha? Krishan ka Qya dharm tha? Isha ka Qya dharm tha? Gautam ka Qya dharm tha? Mahavir ka Qya dharm Tha? Rishi Patanjali ka Qya dharm tha?

      Qya inhone kabhi kaha ham Muslim hai ya Hindu hai? Ye sab jab se chala tab se log batne lage. Hame bhi apne aap ko Hindu, Muslim aadi me baatkar manav samaj me vibhajan nahi karna chahiye.

      Ham maanva hai Achhai hamara dharm hona chahiye aur burai dusto ka dharm

      • Mr abdu yahin to teri samajh ki kami hai.. tu muslim ya hindu ka arth tak nahin jaanta.

        Tu jaanta hi nahin hai ki achhha kya hai or byra kya hai.
        Tujhe pata hai chori karne wale chor ko lagta hai ki uske liye chori karna achha hai.

        Or ek rapist ki achha lagta hai rape kaRNA. tabhi to karta hai..

        Teri problem yahi hai bina dharm ke tu jaan hi nahin payega ki achha kya hai or bura kya..h??
        Mere sawal ka jawab dene ki bajaye tu ulta mujhse hi poochh raha hai ki ram ka kya dharm tha hanuman ka kya… tune javab nahin diya mere sawal ka. Saaf zahir hota hai ki tujhe jo achha lagta hai bs vahi sahi samajh kar karta hai tu.

        Tujhe doosron ki aastha ko takleef pahunchana a hha lagta hai is liye tu aisa karta hai.. pahle jaan to le achha kya hota hai.. achhe ki defination pata hai ? Without dharm ke tu achhe ki defination tak nahin bta payega.. tu kya duniya ka koi bhi insaan without dharm ko maane achhe ki defination nahin bata sakta..bada gyani samajhta hai

        Main phir se wahi poochhta hoon himmat hai to bina topic badle jawab de..

        bata manavta ka dharm kaise bana. ?

        Kab bana? Iski kon si kitaab hai .?

        . hai bhi k nahin?

        Isme achha kya hai bura kya hai ?

        Kya hindu dharm me manavta nahin hai jo tu khud ko hindu bhi nahin kahalwana chahta??

      • @Gulzar Ansari
        Aap Muhamamd ko bachaane ki kosis qyo kar rahe ho. Yadi Aisha aapki beti hoti to qya aap muhmaad ko bachate ya safiya aapki ma hoti to aap mohammad ko bachate? Are qya koi aurat apne bacho aur pita ke hatyare se nikah kar sakti hai? Muhammad ne kewal ek balaatkari tha. Jis din Muhammad ka sach sabhi gair Muslimo ko pataa chal gaya us din Islam ka ant hai. Aaj internet iska sabse bada reason hai ki muhammad ko koi nahi chupa sakta

      • Mr. Abdul maanavta ka koi dharam nahi hota jis tarah aatankwaad ka koi dharam nahi hota lekin. Insan ko doosre insaan ki madad karna ki maanavta ka dharam hai. Aur har dharm sabse pehle maanavta ka dharm hi sikhata hai..

      • @Rahul

        Quran 9:5 – Murti poojako ko jaha pao katl kar do

        Muhammad aur uski army ne gair Muslimo ka dhan aur unki aurto ki ijjat looti qya aisa vyakti paigamber kahlane layak hai?

        Qya ye dharm hai?

      • MR ABDU

        kyon logon me galatfahmiyan faila rahe ho ., aap ko kya milega galatfahmi daal kar logon ke man me islam ke khilaf., quran 9.5 me mushrik ko katl karne ka hukm diya hai allah ne .,wo bhi jung ke maidan me.,or wo bhi jab .,jab wo sandhi tod te., matlab sulah tod de tab., or mushrik sirf hindu hi nahin hota muslim bhi bahut log mushrik hain., poora to bataya karo..uske aage bhi to batao kya likha hai., tu nahin batayega.,

      • or aage lika hai ki agar wo yani mushrik maafi mang le yani touba karle to us ko chhod do or ek mehfooz jagah le jao.,

      • @Gulzar Anszari

        Abe murkh mujhe pata hai Quran 9:5 me aage likha “agar Mushrik ( Yani Hindu, Yahudi, Ishaai and other non-muslim) Muhammad ko paigamber maan le to inhe mat maaro”.

        Lekin aaj to Mushrik Musalmaano ko maar rahe hai.

      • sanatan dharm jaisa koi dharm nahi hai jitne bhi dharm bane wah sanatan dharm se churaye gyan se bane hai

  9. Note

    Agar tu (mr abdu) hindu hai to naam muslim kyon rakh rakha hai.. hindu muslim me ladai karwane k liye na????

    Badalta kyon nahin.. kyonki tu wi hai jo khush nahin hai ki is article par sachai zahir ho…

    Isliye tumhare comment bhi ese hi hai.. gande gande… bina tameez wale.. besharmi wale..

  10. mr.. .Quran virodhi.

    aap wakai me quraan shareef ko jaanna nahin chahte isi liye aap jaan bhi nahin paate.,

    ,kahte hain insaan khud apna raasta chunta hai., aapne quraan me khamiya nikalna chuna to aap ko english translate mil gayi.,,mera aapse anurodh hai., ye dua karein ki allah, ishwar., bhagwan apko bhi or mujhe bhi., sahi raaste par chalaye., or shaitaan se bahkaawe me aane se bachaye., jo hamara khula dushman hai.

    • Quran Shaitan ka hi paigam hai. Sare ISISI ke Ladake Muslim privaro se hai. Allah = Shaitan
      Muhammad = Messenger of Shatian
      Marriage with a child girl is a act of Shaitan.
      Raping with women after killing her’s husbands, sons, father is act of Shaitan.
      Not- beliefein co-existence is an act of Shaitan.

      • Muhammad ke sath Ji lagaana manvta ka apmaan hai. Jisne na to bachi ko, naa old ledi ko aur na hi jawan mahila ko chhoda. Sabse anpni sex purti ki lekin kisi se santaan utpan nahi kar saka. Muhammad ko apni biwio par shak tha unka kisi aur ke sath chakkar hai vah unko parde me rakhta tha. Isliye vah hamesha kahta tha jo aurat dusre mardo ke sath sambandh rakhegi use jahanum milega

      • jab hamko muslim bandhuo se bat karni hoti hai tab majburan hamko “ji” lagana hota hai kyoki uske kai karodh andhvishvsi maujud hai ! vasie muhammad ke karm achhe nahi the isliye unke nam ke saath” ji “lagaana thik nahi hai ham apse sahamat bhi hai

      • apke karm bade ache hai yeh bhi hum sab log jante hai isi liye aap yaha par humko “manavta” ke path padhate huye dekhne ko miljate hai. khud ka pata nahi dusro ke bare me ‘anuman’ laga rahe hai. aplog ka akhirat ka ghar jahannum hai.

      • App kabhi Delhi Aye to Hame Jarur Bataana. Aap jaise sajjan vyakti se ham bhi milna chahenge. Vaise aap kaha rahte hai.

      • hamara dilli ana nahi hota hai ham hydarabad me rahate hai bat chit to is manch me bhi ho sakati hai

      • jaiye hokar aiye dilli kya pata waha par apko charcha karne ke liye kuch aur mudde mil jayege phir usme aapko milavat kar ke logo ke samne rakhne ka avsar bhi mil sakta hai.

      • ha ha.. yeh ache jokes lekar aye hai, kash tum me sabut dene ke bhi ‘guts’ hote.. jo ke humko kisi bhi islam virodhi me zara bhi dekhne ko nahi milte. adhura gyan ko pehle pura to kar lo phir charcha karna shuru karte hai. is se zyada sahi gyan to 5 saal ke bache ke pass hoga

      • to is me Adam As se le kar Isa AS tak sare paigambaro ki jankari kaise aayi?

        yeh koi bakvas ved aur bhagwat geeta jaisi nahi hai jo sirf bhagvano aur murtiyo ke path padne ko kehti hai na he wo fake manusmriti ki tarha milavati hai.

        jahilo ko sab jahil he nazar ate hai

      • ISISI ke ladake tumahe ghar chai pine aate hai jo tum ko unke bare me pata chala?
        You+Murtipujak=Shaitan iblees.
        Avtarvaad= Shaitan Iblees.

        Sexual morality

        In the Vedas one finds matters relating to seduction, incest, abortion, conjugal infidelity, deception, and robbery as well. Prostitution was common and the prostitutes were called warrangnas. There are some very obscene passages in the Vedas. For example in Rig Veda read the lewd conversation between Pushan and Surya (Rig Veda 10.85.37) and again a similar conversation in Ashwamedha section of Yajur Veda. We will not
        Refer to Mandal10. Puranas are full of stories depicting open sexual perversities which we cannot record here and must avoid the stink of immorality.
        go into the details of such conversations which may be offensive but we will refer to some of them here briefly. Brahma is considered to be the greatest spiritual leader of the Hindu Trinity and yet if we read Shiv Puran (Ruder Samhita 2 Sati Khand 2 Chapter 19), we find him mentioned as a cheat and a sex maniac. Even at the time of the marriage of Shiva and Parvati Brahma displayed his sexual depravity openly. In the same Granth another lewd story is recorded concerning Shiva and Parvati. Reading the Hindu Shastras and Puranas we find that relation of the sexes among the Vedic Aryans and gods was not ideal. Obviously these standards were later followed by the followers of Hinduism. More than one man shared one woman and none of them had any exclusive rights on the wife. Devas molested the wives of the Rishis or sexually attacked the wives of their colleague Devas. Rape of Ahalya, the wife of Rishi Gautama, by Indra is well known and Indra was the prominent god of the Rig Veda. In Adhyaya 100 of the Vana Parva of the Mahabharata we read that Rishi Vibhandaka cohabited with a female deer and as a result of this intercourse Rishi Shranga was born. In Adhyaya 118 of the Adi Parva of the Mahabharata Rishi Vyas gives us a similar

        The popular belief is that Lord Brahma produced the Vedas. He is said to have established sexual relationship with his daughter Saraswati

        The story is also found in Mahabharat. It may have come from Greece where goddess Medusa was similarly ravished by god Poseidon.

        story of Pandu, the father of the Pandus, who received a curse from Rishi Kadam. According to the story Rishi Kadam issued a curse because he was engaged in sexual intercourse with a deer when Pandu disturbed him. In Adhyaya 63 of the Adi Parva of the Mahabharata Rishi Parashara had sexual intercourse with Satyavati, (also called Matsya Gandha – fisherman’s girl) in public and in broad day light. In Adhyaya 104 of the Adi Parva, Rishi Dirgha is stated to have staged a similar scene in public.

        (a) Incest:-
        Father-daughter incest occurs in the story of Brahma and his daughter.

        Brahma married his own daughter Satarupa.
        “Wise, teaching, following the thought of Order, the sonless gained a grandson from his daughter”. Fain, as a sire, to see his child prolific, he sped to meet her with an eager spirit‖.

        [RigVeda III .31.1-2]. Hiranyakashpu married his daughter Rohini. Vashista married Shatrupa, Janhu married Janhavi, and Surya married Usha.

        (b)Rape
        Rape was common. Some examples are Manu-Illa, Surya raped Kunti. Vishnu raped Jalandhar‘s wife (Varinda) who later committed suicide. Love-lorn Vishnu did not even let her go after death. He bathed in her ashes, bereaved her death for days and cried loudly.

        (c) Sons married their mothers

        There are cases where father and son married the same woman; Brahma is the father of Manu. Manu married his mother
        Sharadha . Pushan too married his mother.

        (d)Marriage with sisters

        The discussion of open sex between a brother and sister (Yama and Yami in Rig Veda Mandal X) The description of sexual relationship between Yam and Yami (Brother and sister) is lewd, lascivious, and bawdy. It is a spur to carnality. They did not get married but discussed open sexual relations. From their discussion it is clear that in those days sisters could discuss sexual matters with their brothers and even marry them. Brahma had three sons Marichi, Daksha and Dharma and one daughter. Daksha is stated to have married the daughter of Brahma who was his sister (see Adi Parva of the Mahabharata). Other instances are Purukutsa and Narmada, Viprachiti and Simhika, Nahusa and Viraja, Sukra and Usanas, Amavasu and Go, Amsumat and Yasoda, Suka and Pivari.

        Pushan is the lover of his sister Achoda. “Attendant on the Blessed Dame the Blessed one hath come: the Lover followeth his Sister. [Rig Veda X.3.3]

        Agni is the lover of his own sister. ―Pūsan, who driveth goats for steeds, the strong and Mighty, who is called His Sister’s lover, will we laud‖.
        [Rig Veda VI.55.4] Ashvins were the sons of Savitar and Usha who were brother and sister. Krishna was married with his uncle’s Satrajit’s daughter and Krishna’s son Priduman was married with his matenal uncle Rukmaya’s daughter.

        (e) Selling & hiring of women:
        There is evidence that the ancient Aryans also sold their women (wives and daughters). When a daughter was sold her marriage was known as Arsha marriage. This was done through Go-Mithuna (giving away one cow and one bull to the girls‘ father as price )― When (the father) gives away his daughter according to the rule, after receiving from the bridegroom, for (the fulfillment of the sacred law, a cow and a bull or two pairs, that is named the Arsha rite”.
        (Manu Simrti 3.29)
        “Some call the cow and the bull given as on Arsha wedding ‗a gratuity‘ but that is wrong. The acceptance of the fee great or small is a sale of the daughter.” (Manu II)

        Women were also rented to others for cohabitation. In the Mahabharata we read that Madhavi was the daughter of King Yayati. Yayati made a gift of her to Galwa Rishi. Galwa rented her out to three kings one after the other. After the third, Madhavi was returned to Galwa. She was now given by Galwa to his Guru Vishvamitra. Vishvamitra kept her till he begot a son. After this he returned her to her father.

        (f) Niyoga – mistreatment of women

        Niyoga is the Aryan name for a system under which a wedded woman was legally permitted to beget a son from another person, not her husband. There was no limit to the number of men a woman could go for Niyoga. Madhuti and Ambika had one Niyoga each. Saradandayani had three. Vayusistasva was permitted to have 7 and Vali is known to have allowed as many as 17 Niyogas to one of his wives. With the consent of the husband a Niyoga could last from one night to twelve years or more. Jatila-Gautami had 7 husbands. In The Mahabharata Daropadi had five husbands and Pandu allowed his wife Kunti to have four Niyogas. Karna was the premarital first born brother of the Pandus through Nyoga.

        Abduction and disrobing of women in public is evident in the Mahabharta. Daropadi was disrobed in front of her near relatives.

        In Shiv Puran Ruder Samhita (4.12) we read that Shiva ran after the wives of the Rishis completely naked. On account of this indecency he had to lose his male organ. In the temples at Jagan Nath, Konark, and Bhuneshwar of Orissa there are statues of naked women in very objectionable poses. Similar poses are openly depicted on the outside of the temples at Khajuraho. Even Mahatma Gandhi was of the opinion that KhajurahoTemples should be demolished.
        Such stories do not lead to spiritualism or to ideal sexual behavior which is expected from religious leaders. It is for this reason that Gurbani says, “Dirty was Brahma and dirtier still was the moon. Shiva, Shankra and Mahesha too did not fare well.” (P.1158)
        (g) Gambling

        Gambling is made respectable in the Vedas. It was developed to a science by the Aryan civilization. Krita, Treta, Dwapara and Kali were the names of the dices used by the Aryans at gambling. The luckiest of the dices was called Krita and the unlucky one was called Kali. Treta and Dwapara were intermediate dices. Kingdoms and even their wives were offered by the Aryans as stakes at gambling. Their examples were later followed by the common Hindus. For example King Nala staked his kingdom and lost it. Later the Pandus staked their kingdom and their wife Daropadi and lost both.

        Manu did not approve gambling or betting. He goes against the Vedas when he says, ―gambling and betting should be suppressed.” (Manu IX 221-222)

        (h) Drinking
        All Vedic Rishis used to drink Soma and similar intoxicating drinks.

        It was a part of an Aryan’s ritual. There were numerous Soma sacrifices among the ancient Aryans. Females (Even Brahmin women) too indulged in drinking because it was a respectable practice and not regarded as a sin or a vice. Ramayana in Uttar Khand admits that Sri Ram Chander and Seeta too drank wine so did Krishna and Arjuna. The Udyoga Parva of the Mahabharata says: “Arjuna and Shri krishna drinking wine made from honey and being sweet-scented and garlanded, wearing splendid clothes and ornaments, sat on a golden throne studded with various jewels.” It had spread to all classes but Shudras were restricted from drinking Soma. They drank Sura which was an ordinary wine sold in the market. According to Rig Veda 10.86 and 13-14 Indra used to eat Meat and was also a drunkard.

      • Gulzar bhai, ye log thodi bahot milavati jankari kahi par se jama kar ke late hai aur phir us ko sacha sabit karane par tule huye rehte hai aur khud ko ‘jabrel AS’ se kam nahi samajhte. maano allah ka in se roz ka samna hota ho, aur sochte hai ke yeh jo bhi kahte hai wo he pathar ki lakir hai.

      • U are right faheem bhai..

        Par sochne wali baat ye hai ki ye log esa karte kyon hain… jahan tak mera khyal hai ye log is liye esa krte hain kyonki inka nazariya sahi pahlu ko dekhne ki bajaye galat pahlu ko dekhta hai… or inke dharm ke thekedaar inko sahi pahlu ko dekhne nahin dete. Kyonki unka business band ho jayega…

      • @disqus_Qa5yzEKTpp:disqus
        Mujhe pata hai Sabhi Muslim ISIS ke pakke samrthak hai lekin wo kewal bahar se dikhawa karte hai? Ab Visw Iss baat ko samajh raha hai Isliye USA, China Islam ko ban karne par vichar kar rahe hai.

        Murti pooja karne wala Shaitan Qyo? Tumhe Qya taklif hai jo tumhare andar itna jahar bhra hua? Kaaba ke samne hamesha sir jhukate ho wo qya hai? Qya kaaba ko Manushya hai?

        Tum hamesha Bharat ke mahapurusho ko badnaam karne me lage rahte ho aur yaha ki prachin sanskriti jo ki Murkh Arbo se Hazaro saal pahle se ho usko nicha dikhane ki kosis karte ho. Tum log Gaddar ho.

      • Abdu Abdu

        mujhe nahi pata tum kis ‘bhagwan’ me vishwas rakhte ho. jaisa ke maine kaha tumlogo ka atankvadiyo ke sath uthna baithna hoga is liye unke bare me zyada ache se tumlog bata sakte ho ke kon kya sochta aur aur kya karta hai uska.

        Murti kya “Ghanta” deti hai kisi ko jo us se kuch milne ki aas lagaye rehte wo usko banane wale bhi tumjaise insan he hote hai kehne ka matlab ye hai ke bhagwan tumhe nhi tum bhagwan ko janm dete ho. aur raha sawal kaaba ka to meherbani karke age dhyan se padhna dhyan ko idhar udhar mat bhatakne dena. Kaa’aba Sharif Ke Dakhhini Poorvi Konay Ki Deewar Me Chaandi Ke Kathde Me Ek Mubarak Pathhar Jada Hua Hai Jise Badi Aqeedat Se
        Chuma Jata Hai Or Usi Ke Saamne Tawaaf Ki Shuruaat Hoti Hai .Is Mubarak Pathhar Ko HAJR E ASWAD Kaha Jata Hai . Ye Jannati Pathhar Hai Jo Hazrat Aadam Alayhissalam Ke Saath Jannat se Zameen Par Aaya.Ye Bhi Allah Ki Beshumar Nishaniyo Me Se Ek Hai.

        ha sirf tumlog he wafadar ho is liye tumjaiso ke lash (mayyat) ko jala kar rakh kar diya jata hai aur phir usko pata nahi konse gandi nali ke pani me baha diya jata hai. aur Islam me insan marne ke bad bhi is desh ki zamin me dafan hokar apne jism ko is ki mitti ke hawale kardeta hai.

        uper dekh lo zara kitne nicchad log hinduism me apne sage sambhandhiyo se sex karte the aur wo bhi sabut ke sath diye hai tumhari tarah nahi ‘milavati’ tor par chal mujhe bata Nabi ke santane(bache) kitne the? agar jaisa ke tum bata rhe ho to us hisab se unke bache bhi zyada hone chahiye.. yar hawa me bolna chod do aur kuch logically bat karo. tum log isi tarah maroge mera gao, mera state, mera desh, mera ye mera wo, salo isi wajah se tum jaise manbuddhi logo par kayi varsho se mugalo ne aur angrezo ne hukumat ki. in sab se bahar niklo GOD kya sirf bharat me hai? saudi arabia kya usne nahi banaya hai? america, russia, Britain yeh sab allah ne nahi banaye hai? shayad jo ‘kalpit’ devi devta the wo sirf bharat ke logo ke liye aaye the is liye tumlogo ko itni mirchi lag rahi hai saudi arabia ke naam se.

      • @Faheem
        Me kisi Bhagwan me viswas rakhu ya na rakhu isse Muhammad ko aur tumhe qyo taklif hai. quo tumhra muhammad usko na manane walo ko kosta rahta hai.? Qyo muhammad apne ko paigamber sun ne ko baichen rahta hai ki vah use paigamber na maanane walo ko marne ka aadesh deta hai. Kitna ghatiya insaan tha muhammad. Ek tarf Jesus jo ek sacha saint tha. Jisne jivan kisi ke parti ghrina nahi ki.

        Aur ye to sabhi Jante hai ISIS me 99.9% ladake Muslim parivaaro se hai.

        Kaaba Ke saamne bar bar sir jhukane se qya milta hai? Murti poojne wala qya tumhari bahan ki ijjat loot raha hai jo tum usse itni ghrina karte ho.

        Aur rahi baat sex Muslamman to ye mante hai Aadam aur Hava ki santaan jo ki sage Bhai aur Bahan the unhone aapas me sex kiya. Ye kitni Ghatiya soch hai. Dhikaar hai tumhare Allah aur Murkh Muhammad par.

      • ek aurat apne bete aur bahu ke saath rehti thi – uska ek pota bhi hai. pehle vo ek khushhaal parivaar tha lekin ab vo aurat apne bete aur bahu ko kho chuki hai aur apne pote ke saath refuse camp me rehti hai. jaanta hai kyu? kyuki usne pure parivaar ke saath Islam kabul kiya aur fir uska beta aur bahu jihadi ban gaye aur maar diye gaye…ek khushhaal parivaar Islaam kabul karta hai aur barbad ho jata hai…yahi aaj ki sachchaayi hai…isliye bakwas band kar aur jo thik lage vo kar…bure ka anjaam to bura hi hoga

      • @Faheem

        Me kisi Bhagwan me viswas rakhu ya na rakhu isse Muhammad ko aur tumhe qya taklif hai? quo tumhra muhammad usko Devdoot na manane walo ko kosta rahta hai.? Qyo muhammad apne ko paigamber sun ne ko baichen rahta hai ki vah use paigamber na maanane walo ko marne ka aadesh deta hai. Kitna ghatiya insaan tha muhammad.

        Ek tarf Jesus jo ek sacha saint tha. Jisne jivan me kisi ke parti ghrina nahi ki.

        Aur ye to sabhi Jante hai ISIS me 99.9% ladake Muslim parivaaro se hai.

        Kaaba Ke saamne bar bar sir jhukane se qya milta hai? Murti poojne wala qya tumhari bahan ki ijjat loot raha hai jo tum usse itni ghrina karte ho.

        Aur rahi baat sex Muslamman to ye mante hai Aadam aur Havaa ki santaan jo ki sage Bhai aur Bahan the unhone aapas me sex kiya. Ye kitni Ghatiya soch hai. Dhikaar hai tumhare Allah aur Murkh Muhammad par.

      • Mr abdu..

        how ashamed on u…

        Aap pta h aap kya kah rahe ho.shayad nahin pata ….. aap bhagwan me maante ho ya nahin maante,is baat se kisi ko koi problem nahin h… aap murti pooja krao ya na karo is se bhi kisi ko koi problem nahin hai.. or aap isis ke rishtedaar ho shayad jo aapko uske baare me sab pata h to is se bhi kisi ko koi problem nahin h. Problem aapko ho rahi h sach ka pta lagne se ki aap ka khud ka dharm mana karta h murti puja karne se lekin aap ke dharm ke thekedaar aapko sahi granthon ko nahin bata rahe jo koi muslim chaturvedi padh kar bata deta hai…

        Or aapko batane me problem hai ki aap kis bhagwan me maante hai.. is bast se zahir hota h ki aap sharminda hain apna dharm batane ke liye… warna bta chuke hote.. how ashamed on u…

      • @Gulzar
        Muhammad who was superior to Allah. Qur’an (33.56) says, “Lo! Allah and His angels pray peace to Prophet (Muhammad).O ye who believe also shower praises on him and salute him with a worthy salutation”.

        This is the height of stupidity. Why Allah needs to pray peace to Muhammad if Muhammad is only a humble messenger? If Allah is the only God then He is praying to whom? If Allah is the only Owner of praises, then why Qur’an also instructs Muslims to salute Muhammad? This is absolutely ridiculous. In all other religions, it is man who worships God but in Islam, it is God who worships man (Muhammad). Then, who is the real God of Muslims – Allah or Muhammad? Muslim’s five times prayers are actually meant for whom – Allah or Muhammad?

        It seems that Muhammad had some extraordinary claims for himself.

        Apart from thinking that he was the anointed messenger of God and the seal of the Prophets (Q: 33.40); this megalomaniac regarded himself as Khayru-l-Khalq (the best of creation), an “excellent example” (Q: 33.21) “exalted above other Prophets in degrees” (Q: 2.253), “the preferred one” (Q: 17.55), “Mercy to the worlds” (Q: 21.107) and to have been risen “to a praised estate” (Q: 17.79).

        In Sahih Hadith Muhammad’s claims are recorded — The very first thing Allah Almighty ever created was my soul, first of all things, the Lord created my mind, I am from Allah and believers are from me, Just as Allah created me noble, he also gave me noble character. Allah very generously declared, “Were it not for you, [O Muhammad] I would not have created the universe” (Tabaqat, Vol.-1).

      • @abdu + bjp’s master minds.

        Shuruat karte hai is website ki to nihayat he ghatiya website kahi jayegi jis me unko chubne wale comments blog kiye jate hai unko post nhi kiya jata.

        Ab dhyan de kar, ankhein khol kar pado tum logo ki community ka arambh kaise hua? koi anek matra me ‘amaithuni manushya’ kaise is dharti par aye? Is bare me kisi ko ratti bhar bhi thik se pata nahi hai. Aur jinko apne purvajo ke bare me thik se jankari nhi aise logo ko kya kaha jata hai wo to har koi janta hai.

        Sex aur rape ki shuruat yahi se huyi hai khud ko bhagwan ka ansh kehlane wale log nange ghuma karte the apni beti ke sath uske pita aur putra apni mata ke sath sex kiya krte the aur inhi sab bato ki wajah se aaj bhi is desh me rape aur sexke ayedino kand hote rehte hai yaha tak ke choti bachiyo tak ko nhi bakhshte.

        Jesus (isa as) ko bhi logo ne taklif di hai unko marne tak ki sazish ki thi llekin phir bad me unko isai log apna god manne lage koi bhi paigambar ho isa as ho ya muhammad saws ho sab ki logo ne mukhalifat ki thi unki bato ka inkar kiya, chahe to taurat aur bible utha kar padh lo us me bhi quran ki tarah he adam as ke bare me bataya gya hai. Tumhare hisab se wo sab galat hai? Aur tumlogo dwara likhi gyi human philosophical books puri tarah sahi hai usko bhi thik se follow nhi karte tum log. Arre dr zakir naik ne usme bhi nabi saws ke ane ki bat ke bare me sabut diye hai.

        Tumlogo ki awkat nhi hai Nabi saws ke bare me bat karne ki.

        Dekho tumlog murti pujo, janwar pujo kutta ya billi pujo us se humlogo ko koi dikkat nhi hai ye to jiske karm uske sath wala mamla hai kiw ke tum humlogo ke sath argu. kar sakte ho par allah ke samne tumhara anjam to bura he honewala hai.

      • @faheem
        Teri Bhasha se me confirm hu tu kishi Gddaar aur kaayar Hindu ki Aulaad hai.

        Sacha Muslmaan to sidhaa paigamber Nabi ke raste par chlta hai aur Jihad karne me viswas rakhta hai takrir nahi.

      • Faheem bhai

        Maine mr abdu ke post padhe hain jisme isne khud ko ex muslim bataya h. Ye kitna bada jhoontha h isi baat se pata chalta h.. ye koi ex muslim nahin tha mujhe pakka esa lagta hai.. ye pakka jhoontha insaan hai..

      • @abdu miya.
        Aisa kis ayat me likha hai zara spasht rup se batayiye.

        Qyo ke mujhe bhi saty jan leneka avsar milega.

        Tum apni man ghadat bato ko saty ka rup dene ki koshish kar rahe ho.

      • @Gulzar
        Main apse bilkul sehmat hu. ye in logo ki sajish hai jo is tarah fake id bana kar kam kar rhe hai. mujhe nahi lagta is ne apni puri zindagi me bhi kabhi quran sharif padhi hogi.

        Usko zara pucho wo ex-muslim kiw aur kaise bana? mujhe pakka yakin hai wo asliyat chupayega.

        Koi bat nhi abhi in logo ko jo manmarzi karni hai karne do par jab injaiso par azab nazil hoga na tab wo hosh me ayenge.

      • @abdu
        Tu wo sab chod uski chinta tu mat kar kiw ke wo sab tere bas ki bat nhi hai. Par sochne wali bat yeh hai ke tu un muslims ki aulaad zarur hosakta hai jinko mughals ne mar pit karislam me convert kiya tha.

        Aur kam se kam to te yeh rehne he de ke sacha kya hai aur jhuta kya kiw ke uska to tujhe ratti bhar bhi pata nhi hai ja pehle jakar wo pata karke aa. Aur pura pata kar ke ana aise he munh utha kar mere samne na ayyo.

      • @faheem

        _______Par sochne wali bat yeh hai ke tu un muslims ki aulaad zarur hosakta hai jinko mughals ne mar pit kar islam me convert kiya tha._____

        Aapne bilkul sahi pakda hai .

        Bhai convert to sabhi ne kiya hai. Paigamber ne bhi

      • Is bat ko dekhne ke bhi do nazariye hai ek ye ke allah (supreme power) to ek he hai to uska jo basic deen/dharm bhi ek he hai na ke anek ye to insano ki meherbani hai ke aaj itne sare religions humko dekhne ko mil jate hai. Allah ka deen to adam as se he shuru hua tha aur unkee bad bhi paigamber is deen ko qayam rakhne ke liye duniya me ate rhe hai jinka silsila muhammad saws par akar ruka to bat ye hai ke nabi saws ne usi deen ko follow kiya jo allah ka batlaya hua deen hai na sirf usko apnaya balke allah ke hukm se usme aur bhi nikhar laya. Kehne ka tatparya ye hai ke sabhi paigamber ek he deen ki dawat dekar gaye hai isiliye islam ko conversion sys na bol kar usko dusre lafzo me deen me wapasi keh sakte hai.

    • adarniy ati quranbhakt ji ,
      hamn equran”nangi ankho ” se padha hai, beshak usme achhi bate bhi shamil hai

      saval to is baat ka hai ki quran ko jab allah ki kitab kaha jata hai to usme bhari galtiyo kyo hai ? kuran me kafi khamiya thi tabhi ham usko nikal sake hai

      agar dudh me pani ki milavat hogi tabhi pani niklata hai shuddh dudh me pani nahi hota hai
      rahi baat duvao ki

      agar duvao me takat hoti to muhammad ji ko chori se ,chipkar apni jan bachane ki khatir makka se madeena bhagkar nahi jana padta vah duavaye karte aur unke dsuhman past ho jate unko yuddh nahi karana padta
      muhammad ji duavyo ke davar apni choti choti santano ko bhi jivit rakh lete jo nahi kar paye
      umar ji usman ji ali ji hasan ji husaun ji garbhavati fatima ji aadi apni jam duaao ke dvara bacha lete.

      aur yahi haal raam ji krishn ji par bhi lagu hota hai raamji duvayo dvara apni sita ji ko vapas le ate krishn ji mahabharat ka yuddh rok lete duvao dvara desh ka viabhajan rok liya jata

      kai karod muslim duavaye kaarte rahe ki saddam husauin ko fansi n ho lekin yah sab duvaye kaam nahi kar saki tab hamari apki duvayo ka haal,kya hoga iska andaja kiya ja skata hai

      • Mr raj

        Ye jo aspne post kiya h .. ye baat zahir karti hai ki jo aap sochte hain wesa hona chahiye tha… jo aapko sahi lagta hai wo hona chahiye …. aapki problem yahi hai ki aap khud ko sahi samajhte hain.. jbki aap sahi or galat ki defination (paribhasha))tak nahin jaante… aapko sirf bahas chahiye.. chahe wo sahi ho ya galat .. warna aapko yaad hota ki aspne mujhse kb baat ki thi..or kitni buri tarah haar kar bhaage the…

      • Mr raj..

        Aap to refrence denge nahin.. lijiye hum aapki galatfahmi door kar dete hai…quran 8/65 or 8/66 padh lijiye.. bina wajah ke apne aap ko turram khan mat samajhiye… aap ko bimari hai khud ko achha batane ki or bina wajah islam ki burayi karne ki… aap ki poori zindagi khatm ho jayegi islam me burai dhoondhte dhoondhte mil nahin payegi.. kyonki islam hi haq h.. aap ko jhoonth bolne me koi pareshani nahin hoti hai kyonki aap jaante hi nahin h ki jhoonth bolna kitna bada gunah hai… kaash aap jaan paate…

      • Mr abdu.

        Aap apne aap ko dekho badtameez insaan.. aapko ko to sharm ke maare doob marna chahiye..

        jo insaan apne dharm ko chhupata ho usme kya eeman bacha hoga..

        are wo to eemaan ko janta bhi nahin hoga ki aakhir eemaan bhi kuchh h.
        . aapka ulta pulta bolna bina saboot ke kisi ko bhi kuchh kahna ye sab batata h aap kitne badtameez insaan hain.. sochiye zara gour kijiye .. kya aap apni kisi baat ka saboot pesh karenge…??

      • @Gulzar
        Tum Mujhe Saudi ki Sachi Aulad lagte ho ! Jehad karo, jehad
        1 Muslamman 5 Issa-iyo ya Hinduo ke brabar hai Quran 8/65.

      • Jung to pichle 1400 saal se chhidi hui hai. Muslmaano ne kaffiro ki sharan le rakhi hai.

      • me to chaahta hu ISIS bharat me Islam ki Sthapanaa kare. Yaha par shariat lage, is desh kaa naam bhi Arbi bhasha me rakhaa jaye kafiro ki bhaasha me nahi.

        Shariat ke liye jehad to karna hi padega, Jehad ke doran mujhe bhi kafiro ki biwilo ko bandi banaakar unse sex karne ka mouka mil jayega jaisa ki prophet aur unki army ne kiya tha Allah ke aadesh par. Jo muslaamn Jehad se bhagta hai wo sacha muslmaan nahi hai ye paigamber ne kaha tha.

      • @abdu
        Tumko ‘jehad’ ke definition bhi pata hai?

        Really??

        Really??

        Huzur e aala jo chiz pata na ho us par bahes kar ke kiw apni akal ki numayish kar rahe ho?

        Ab dhyan dekar padhna dhyan ko na zara bhi idhar udhar mat bhatakne dena.
        allah ki taraf se aye huye deen ko hasil kar ke uspar khud amal karna aur phir us deen ko dusro (kafiro) ki zindagi tak pahunchana usko kehte hai “jihad”.

      • mr. abdu

        aapki soch bhi ghatiya hai.

        main aapki gandi soch ki bhi alochna karta hoon.,. aapki baton se zahir hota hai aap sab logon ko milkar ek hoker rahne nahin dena chahte., ye sab baate aapki agyanta zahir karti hai.,

      • isme shak nahin ke zameen par chalne wale tamaam haiwanaat se behtar , ALLAH ke nazdeek wo bahre goonge hain, jo kuchh nahin samajhte (QURAN 8/22)

      • Aapka yah sochna galat hai.. aapko galatfahmi hai ki islam 1400 saal se hai bahut logon ko yah galatfahmi hai.. problem aapki ye hai ki aapko islam ka matla. Hi nahin pata.. or jihad ka matlab bhi nahon pata… aapki jaankari bilkul galat hai..

      • @Gulzar
        aap ko pata hai Islam fastest growing religion hai world ka? 1400 saal pahle 0 lekin ab lagbhag 200 karor muslim hai world me. Ye mujhe Islamreligiondotcom & chatislamonline website se pataa chala hai.

        Aur aap ko pataa hai sabse pahla muslim phir dusra muslim phir tisra muslim kon banaa tha?.Ye sara vigyan Hadith me hai.

      • mr abdu

        aapki jaankari bahut zyada kamzor hai., islam ke baare me., muslim 1400 saal pahle 0 nahin the., you dont know the defination of muslim, is liye esa kah rahe ho.,mohammad (SAW) 124000 pagamberon me se last pagamber the., adam (AS) muslim te., main isi liye kah raha hoon., aap jhoonnthe hain., ex muslim nahin ho sakte., na the.,.

      • @Gulzar
        Qya tum English jante ho qyoki kaffiro ki Hindi bhasha me likhna mere liye mushkil ho raha hai.Yadi ha to me aapko turant jawab deta hu.

      • ji nahin mujhe english bahut kam hi samjh aati hai.

        ., or mujhe aapke jawab ki koi zarurat nahin.

        , jo insaan apne dharm ko chhupata ho jise yahi nahi pata ho ki dharm aakhir hota kya hai., mujhe nain lagta wo insaan sach me insaan hai., mujhe wo shaitaan lagta hai., kyonki sirf dharm hi bata sakta hai ki insaan ke liye achha kya hai or bura kya hai.,. or jo dharm ko nahi jaanta wo us shaitan ki tarah hai jo chori karta hai, rape karta hai or samajhta hai ki wo sahi kar raha hai .,. aap mujhe un me se hi lag rahe ho.,.

      • @Gulzar
        English nahi aati to Qya aata hai tumhe? Arbi Aati hai? Ya wo bhi nahi aati? Kaffiro ki bhasha bolte ho aur kaffiro se hi nafrat karte ho. Wah miya kitne bade murkh ho tum.

      • Mr abdu…

        Kis baat ka gussa dikha rahe ho mere bhai.. main tumse kb kaha ki main tum jaise insaanon se nafrat krta hoon..?? Main to tum jaise logon se or zyada pyaar karta hoon . Kyonki mujhe bahut afsos hota hai jb aap jaise kisi insaan se mujhe jhoonthi or banai huyi baatein jo islam or muslims ke khilaf aap jaise log istemal karte hain bina sahi jaankari ke . To mujhe bahut zyada taras aata hai ki ye log kitni badi gumrahi me hain.. shitan ke bahkawe me apni zindagi guzar rahe hain. Gunaah kr rahe hain.. magar afsos tak nahin hai..

      • @Gulzar
        Tum koi Hindu lagte ho jo Muslim naam se comment kar raha hai. Tumhari bhasha me confirm hu tum koi Hindu ho aur mere sath maje le rahe ho

      • Jis tara se tum bat karte ho wo dekh kar mujhe lagta hai ke tum khud kisi hindu ki santan ho apne parents se confirm karo.

        Qyo ke koi bhi religion ka insan apne mazhab se hindu dharm me convert nhi ho sakta.

      • its right.,

        i am sure.,that., mr abdu abdu 100% gair muslim hai or tha., ye fake id bana kar logon ko gumraah karne ka kaam kar raa hai., warna zaroor batata apne baare baare me., ya apne dharm ke baare me., shame on u., mr. abdu.

      • @Nastik & Gulzar
        kabhi sabhi Hindu the. Makka me 100% log Muhammad se pahle Hindu hi the.

      • @disqus_caKfg0vZCB:disqus
        us se pehle bhi duniya thi abdu miya kya wo bhool gaye tum?
        kya wo log kahi par se download kiye gaye the? lolz….

      • @gulzar_ansari:disqus
        Muhammad khud Hindu tha apne jivan ke 40 Varsho tak. Agar Vaha ke Hindu Muhammad ko shuru me hi maar dete aur usko naya dharm laane ki agya nahi dete to aaj islam bhi nahi hota, Muhammad ne vaha ki democracy ka phayada uthaya aur baad me apne hee logo ka khoon kharaba kiya

      • @disqus_caKfg0vZCB:disqus

        Prophet Muhammad (s) was born in 570 CE in Makkah (Bakka, Baca,
        Mecca). His father, Abdullah, died several weeks before his birth in
        Yathrib (Medinah) where he went to visit his father’s maternal
        relatives. His mother died while on the return journey from Medinah at a
        place called ‘Abwa’ when he was six years old. He was raised by his
        paternal grandfather ‘Abd al Muttalib (Shaybah) until the age of eight,
        and after his grandfather’s death by Abu Talib, his paternal uncle. ‘Abd
        al Muttalib’s mother, Salma, was a native of Medinah and he was born
        and raised as a young boy in Medinah before his uncle Muttalib brought
        him to Makkah to succeed him. Many years before Muhammad’s birth, ‘Abd
        al Muttalib had established himself as an influential leader of the Arab
        tribe ‘Quraish’ in Makkah and took care of the Holy sanctuary ‘Ka’bah’.
        Makkah was a city state well connected to the caravan routes to Syria
        and Egypt in the north and northwest and Yemen in the south.

      • Mr abdu

        Tum hindu ki defination tak nahin jaante.. pata bhi hai aakhir hindu kahte kise hain? Nahin pata hoga pta hai to zaroor batana saboot ke saath…

        Kyonki main achhi tarah samajh gya hoon. Na tu hindu hai na muslim.. tera busness hai ye blog tu is blog ko chalane ke liye logon me galatfahmiyan bhar raha hai…

      • @gulzar_ansari:disqus

        Aapne sahi pakda hai me Hindu kahlaana pasand bhi nahi karta. Me manavta me viswas karta hu aur usi ko dharm manta hun

        Me sochta hu ki prophet muhammad ne qyo gair Muslim aurto se balaatkar ki ijaajat di apni army ke logo ko aur unhone khud bhi yahudi mahila ke sath uske bacho ko mar kar nikah me naam par balaatkar kiya. Safiya aur Juwahriay un aurto me se ek thi.

        Quran 33:50
        O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war

        Aum Shantih

      • to mr abdu.,

        achhaaaa.,,.,., to ab aap khud ko hindu bhi nahin maante., , wah kya baat hai.,.ab manavta ko dharm maante ho., tum to bhai be tali ke lote ho kabhi idhar kabhi udhar.,

        achhaa., chalo to phir ye batao ki manvta ka dharm kisne banaya., ?

        kab banaya.,?

        jahan tak main samajhta hoon manvta to har dharm me moujoood hai.,.

        or Quran 33.50 ka tarjuma jo tum todmarod ke pesh kar rahe ho .,. us aayat me ALLAH ne nabi (SAW) se bataya hai ki aap (SAW) kon kon si aurtein halal hain nikah ke liye.,

        aap ka nazariya galat hai isliye aap ki samajh galat hai., aap nahin samajh paate Quraan ko ., kami aapki hai.,. khud ko check karo.,. dusron ko nahin,.,

      • Are tu khud to chhupa raha hai apna dharm ki tu hindu hai ya kya hai… dusron ko kya bta raha hai.. teri ragon me jhoonth hi jhoonth hai .. tera eeman sirf paisa hai.. tu kya jaane deen dharm

      • @Gulzar
        Are bhai chhupane ki qya baat hai me to sweekar karta hu mere poorvaj bhi hindu the prophet muhammad ki tarah. Pahale Muslamman prophet bane ye to hadiso me bhi likha hai.

      • Bina allah kimarzi ke koi kuchh nahin kar sakta … agar insaan mo esa lagta hai ki wo karta hai.. wo bahut kuchh bana sakta hai. To bina kisi cheez ke koi ek cheez bana kr dikhaye..

        Jaise allah ne humien banaya jbki hum kuchh bhi nahin the…

      • Lagta h dil pe lag gai aapke.. shyad bhadas nikal rahe ho… koi baat nahi… halke ho jao…

        H
        Or haan hum kisi se nafrat nahin karte mere bhai. Balki nafrat to aapki baton se zahir ho rahi hai muslims ke liye… aapki baaton se lav raha h aap gair muslims ko muslims se ladwana chahte hain.. is tarah ki baatien karke…

      • Haa me nafrat karta hu muhammad se aur Allah. Ye dono Shaitan hai. par me mohbaat karta hu Hinduo se yahudiyo se aur Ishaiyo se.

      • 1. मत्स्यावतार: आर्यों के वेदों और पुराणों में वर्णित मत्स्य अवतार का गहन अध्ययन करने से और हजारों शोधों का अध्ययन करने से पता चलता है कि यह एक झूठी कहानी है। ना तो कभी मत्स्य अवतार हुआ और ना ही आज तक पूरी दुनिया में कोई ऐसा इंसान हुआ जो व्हेल मछली जैसी भीमकाय मछली को अपने वश कर सके। ब्राह्मणों ने मत्स्य अवतार बना कर पहली ईसवी से उन्नीस ईसवी तक के समय में तो मूल निवासियों को मुर्ख बना लिया लेकिन आज बीसवीईसवी में किये गए हजारों शोधों से यह बात साबित हो गई है कि मत्स्य अवतार की कथा सिर्फ एक झूठ है। तो सच क्या है?
        सच यह है कि ईसा से 3200 साल पहले यूरेशिया में एक क्रूर जाति उत्पात और विनाश मचाती रहती थी। जिस का नाम “मोगल” था। वहां के शासकों ने उस जाति के सभी आदमियों को पकड़ कर एक बड़ी नाव में बिठा कर बीच समुद्र में छोड़ दिया, और आशा की कि यह जाति समुद्र में दफ़न हो जाये। लेकिन यह भारत जिसको उस समय चमार-दीप कहा जाता था, का दुर्भाग्य था, कि मोगल जाति के लोग भारत में पहुँचे। इसी से मत्स्य अवतार का उदय हुआ। कई दिनों तक समुद्र में भटकने के बाद युरेशियनों को जमीन दिखाई दी थी। इसी से युर्शियनों ने ये कल्पना भी गढ़ी थी कि धरती पानी में स्थित है। 19वी सताब्दी तक सारे भारत के मूल निवासी यही मानते थे कि धरती पानी में है। युरेशियनों ने मत्स्य अवतार की कहानी अपने आप की श्रेठ साबित करने के लिए गढ़ी थी और अपने आपको देवता सिद्ध कर दिया था। बाद में इस कहानी को आगे पीछे कर के वेदों और पुराणों में स्थापित किया गया ताकि किसी को सच्चाई पता ही ना चले। ना तो कभी मत्स्य अवतार हुआ, और ना ही यूरेशियन देवता थे। आज ये सच्चाई साडी दुनिया जानती है।
        2. कुर्मावतार: वेदों और पुराणों में लिखी हुई कुर्मा अवतार की कहानी भी मत्स्य अवतार की तरह सिर्फ एक झूठ ही है। जब कभी समुद्र मंथन ही नहीं हुआ, तो कुर्मा अवतार कैसे हो गया? अगर कुछ लोग यहाँ सवाल करे तो उन से हमारे कुछ सवाल है: 1. क्या यूरेशियन पानी पर चलते थे? 2. यूरेशियन पानी पर चलते थे तो वह कौन सी तकनीक थी? 3. अगर असुर अर्थात राक्षस भी थे, तो असुर को पानी पर चलने की तकनीक कैसे चली? पानी पर चलने की तकनीक पर तो यूरेशियन आर्यों का एकाधिकार था। 4. अगर यूरेशियन आर्य धनवंतरी ने ही अमृत लाना था तो आर्यों ने खुद अपने आर्य भाई धनवंतरी को अमृत लेन को क्यों नहीं कहा? 5. असुरों और आर्यों ने सुमेरु पर्वत को कैसे समुद्र में स्थापित किया और सुमेरु पर्वत को वापिस उसी जगह कौन रख कर गया? 6. लक्ष्मी अपनी जवानी तक समुद्र में क्या कर रही थी? 7. युरेशियनों ने तो अमृत पिया था, तो वो मर क्यों गए? आज तक उस समय का कोई आर्य जिन्दा क्यों नहीं नहीं है? तो इन सभी सवालों का यह अर्थ निकालता है की समुद्र मंथन कभी नहीं हुआ। यह एक काल्पनिक कहानी है। असल में असुर और आर्यों के संग्राम में आर्यों को हार का मुह देखना पड़ा। सारे आर्य डर के मारे समुद्र के किनारे जा छुपे, और भारत (चमार दीप) छोड़कर भागने वाले थे। उस समय धुर्त विष्णु नाम के आर्य ने कछुए वाली निति अपनाई और कछुए के समान शांत रह कर मूल निवासियों के साथ संधि कर ली। यह संधि आर्यों के लिए अमृत के समान सिद्ध हुई, और आर्यों को भारत (चमार दीप) को नहीं छोड़ना पड़ा। यह संधि समुद्र के किनारे बहुत दिनों के विचार विमर्श के बाद हुई थी इसीलिए समुद्र के किनारे किये गए विचार विमर्श को समुद्र मंथन और उस से निकले परिणाम को आर्यों ने अमृत कहा। कुर्मा अवतार की कहानी तो बाद में युरेशियनों ने अपनी महानता सिद्ध करने के लिए गढ़ी थी। उस समय वह ना तो कोई समुद्र मंथन हुआ और ना ही कोई अमृत नाम की चीज या पेय पदार्थ निकला था। ना समुद्र मंथन हुआ, ना अमृत निकला, अपनी हार को भी इन विदेशी ब्राह्मणों ने अपनी महानता में बदल दिया।
        3. वराह अवतार: वराह अवतार की कथा भी हिन्दू पुराणों में बहुत ही गलत ढंग से बताई गई है, जिसमें बताया गया कि हिरणायक्ष ने धरती को चुरा लिया था। धरती को चुरा कर हिरणायक्ष ने पानी में छुपा दिया। विष्णु सूअर बना और हिरणायक्ष को मार कर विष्णु ने धरती को पानी से बाहर अपने दांतों पर निकला। अब यह कितना सत्य है यह तो पाठकगण पढ़ कर ही समझ गए होंगे। बिना बात को घुमाये आप लोगों को सची घटना के बारे बता देते है। असल में हुआ यूँ था की हिरणायक्ष दक्षिण भारत के प्रायद्वीपों का एक महान मूल निवासी राजा था। जिसने सभी यूरेशियन आर्यों को दक्षिण भारत में मार और डरा कर सभी द्वीपों भगा दिया था। देवताओं ने बहुत सी युक्तियाँ लगा ली थी परन्तु हिरणायक्ष एक अपराजय योद्धा था, जिसे कोई भी आर्य प्रत्यक्ष युद्ध में हरा नहीं सकता था। हिरणायक्ष ने सारी दक्षिण भारत के सभी द्वीपों पर अपना अधिपत्य स्थापित कर दिया था। दक्षिण भारत में और उसके आस

      • आस पास के द्वीप पानी में स्थित थे और आर्यों का उन द्वीपों पर से राज्य समाप्त हो गया था। तो इस घटना को पृथ्वी को पानी के अन्दर ले जा कर छुपाना प्रचारित किया गया। हिरणायक्ष को हराने के लिए एक बार फिर विष्णु ने छल कपट का सहारा लिया और हिरणायक्ष को युद्ध करने समुद्र में ललकारा। पानी में युद्ध करते समय विष्णु ने धोखे से हिरणायक्ष के सर के पीछे वार किया और हिरणायक्ष को मार दिया। हिरणायक्ष को मारने के बाद आर्यों का कुछ द्वीपों पर फिर से राज्य स्थापित हो गया। मूल निवासी कभी इस घटना की सच्चाई ना जन ले इस लिए आर्यों ने विष्णु को भगवान् और हिरणायक्ष को राक्षस या असुर बना कर आम समाज के सामने प्रस्तुत किया। अब अगर विज्ञान की ओर से भी इस घटना का विश्लेषण किया जाये तो पता चलता है कि यह घटना एक दम काल्पनिक है। क्योकि समुद्र धरती पर है ना की धरती समुद्र में। तो यहाँ प्रश्न उठता है अगर हिरणायक्ष ने धरती को समुद्र में छुपाया तो कैसे? इतना बड़ा समुद्र कहा है जिस मैं पृथ्वी समा सके? ना तो कोई विष्णु अवतार हुआ और ना ही पृथ्वी को पानी के अन्दर छुपाया गया। यह सिर्फ मूल निवासियों को मुर्ख बनाने की चाल मात्र थी।

      • @abdu abdu
        Tum muslim ke name par bahot bada dhabba ho jo hindu ko support kar raha hai.

      • “Jo admi khud apne dharm ko thik se nahi samajh paya wo dusre ko kya khak samjhayega.”
        You are an Ex_Hindu, so you must be well aware of hinduism?
        Hinduism = Purans + Rituals + ManuSmriti + Brahmin up rule?

        I’m confidant that you don’t even know a thing about Hinduism aka Sanathan Dharm except for communist & dravidian contortions of purans. FYI: who make up the theories which you post were Brahmins BTW, all top most planners in Communist movement & Indian Christian theories are them.. They are in front line of everything to fool people in all directions, they never let you get closer to the core…

        Good luck… Have some time to kill on hinduism then look into 6-Dharshans + YogaSutra + Gita + Upanishads… FYI: Atheism & Agnosticism included…

      • At one time Indra was called the supreme god (―Supreme is Indra over all” – Rig Veda X.86)

        “Indra is sovereign Lord of earth and Heaven.Indra is Lord of waters and of mountains.Indra
        is Lord of prosperers and sages. Indra must be involved in rest and
        effort (Rig Veda X 89.10) Soon after Agni began to occupy that first
        place (Brahma, the creator of the universe, is not even mentioned).
        After this Surya took away the heat from Agni and He became the supreme
        god. Yet at another place in the Rig Veda Soma is called the king of the
        universe. This place is then offered to Varuna (Rig II, 27.10) who is
        called the Lord of heaven and earth. This indicates how the relative
        importance of gods suffered vicissitudes of fortune even during the
        Vedic period.

        At one time Vishnu was connected with the
        Vedic god Sun but the devotees of Shiva later connected Vishnu with
        Agni. They applyash (Bhasma, Vibhuti) on their bodies because they
        believe that Shiva too applied it on his body. The Upanishads state
        that while applying Bhasma a devotee must recite the following
        Mrityunjaya mantra ― Tryambakam yajaamahe, Sugandhim pushtivardhanam,
        Urvaa rukamiva bhandhanaan, Mrytyor muksheeyamaa amrutaat. (“We worship
        the three-eyed Lord Shiva who nourishes and spreads fragrance in our
        lives. May He free us from the shackles of sorrow, change and death –
        effortlessly, like the fall of a ripe brinjal from its stem.”)

        Brahma is not worshipped widely these days. The main stream of the
        Hindus worships only Vishnu, Shiva, Sri Ram Chander and Sri Krishna. The
        last two (Sri Ram Chander and Sri Krishna) are not equal in status to
        the other two. They are said to be the Avatars of Vishnu hence not their
        equal. The relative position of Hindu gods to one another is rather
        confusing. One would imagine that Brahma being the creator of the
        Universe must have created the other two gods as well but that is not
        so. According to Skanda Purana Vishnu lay asleep on the bosom of Devi
        (which one?). A lotus arose from his navel. Out of this sprang Brahma.
        He imagined himself to be the first born in the world and therefore
        resolved to investigate if his claim was true. He glided down the stock
        of the lotus and found Vishnu asleep. He asked him who he was and Vishnu
        replied that he was the first born. As they were arguing Mahadev
        (Shiva) appeared and said, ―It is I who am truly the first born but I
        will offer this honour to anyone of you who reaches behind my head or
        touches the sole of my foot. Brahma played a trick. He falsely claimed
        that he had reached the head and called a cow as his witness. Shiva saw
        through his trick and did not like the false claim. Vishnu however
        truthfully acknowledged that he had not been able to see the feet of
        Mahadev. Vishnu was declared the first-born (superior) by Mahadev and he
        cut off the fifth head of Brahma to punish him for his lies. We also
        read in Bhagvad Puran that Brahma had incestuous relationship with his
        daughter in spite of being restrained by his son Marichi and was
        therefore demoted. The other two gods vied with each other for
        supremacy. The Puranas are full of rivalry between them. The followers
        of Shiva claimed that Shiva had more Avatars than Vishnu.

        They attributed the origin of river Ganges to Shiva‘s hair. Vishnu‘s
        followers claimed that the river flowed from the foot of Vishnu in
        baikunth (heaven) and fell on the head of Shiva proving that Ganges was
        not brought by Shiva and that Shiva was inferior because he received the
        water emanating from Vishnu‘s feet. When the gods and the demons
        churned the ocean using Mandara Mountain as a churn and the Shesh Naga
        as a rope, the earth began to shake violently and could have been
        destroyed. Vishnu immediately changed himself into a tortoise (Kurma)
        and held the earth on his back. Thus he did a very good job of saving
        the universe from disaster. The Shaivites however tell a slightly
        different story. According to them Vishnu‘s act resulted in the
        production of 14 things out of the ocean. One of them was poison. This
        poison could annihilate all life on earth if only Lord Shiva had not
        drunk it. Thus they proved that Vishnu instead of preserving life was in
        fact the cause of bringing it to extinction and the only compassionate
        god was Shiva who saved the earth from being poisoned to death.

        The story of Akrur is very interesting. Pleased with Akrur‘s prayers
        Vishnu blessed the demon with a boon according to which no one anywhere
        in the world could kill him. Akrur being insolent began to tease and
        oppress the gods and goddesses. The gods ran to Vishnu asking him to
        save their lives from Akrur. Vishnu was greatly perturbed at the
        malignant ingratitude of the demon but he could not take his boon back.
        When he was sitting in anger Mahadev emerged from his eyes. He requested
        Mahadev to make the boon ineffective. Mahadev agreed and saved the gods
        by making the boon ineffective. The story proves Vishnu to be a dullard
        because he failed to know if the recipient was a deserving case or not.
        Another equally interesting story is about a demon named Bhasmasura.
        Bhasmasura received a boon from Shiva by which he could burn anybody on
        whose head he placed his hand. Bhamasura threatened Shiva himself so
        Shiva ran to Vishnu who agreed to help him. Vishnu turned himself into a
        very beautiful woman and appeared before Bhasmasura. The later was
        enticed but the woman agreed to marry him only if he obeyed him in all
        respects. Bhasmasura agreed. The woman (Vishnu) told him to put his
        hands on his own head. Bhasmasura had to do what he was told to do and
        got burnt. Thus Vishnu saved Shiva from his own blunder. This story may
        have been invented to restore Vishnu‘s honour. According to Bhagvad
        Puran when Daksha entered the assembly of gods all except Brahma and
        Shiva (Daksha‘s son–in–law) rose up to show him respect. Daksha felt
        offended at the treatment he received from his own son-in-law (Shiva)
        and castigated him in public. Soon after, Daksha
        organized Vrihaspatisava sacrifice. Everybody attended it but Shiva did
        not attend it. He even advised his wife not to attend it but she did
        attend the function nevertheless. Daksha completely ignored his daughter
        at the ceremony. She felt humiliated and committed suicide. At this
        Shiva‘s army fell upon Daksha and tried to kill him but through Bhirgu‘s
        timely help Shiva was defeated. Thereupon Shiva tore a lock of hair
        from his wife‘s head which turned itself into a demon. The demon
        destroyed Daksha‘s sacrifice, attacked his guests and insulted the
        attending ladies. Shiva even plucked Bhirgu‘s beard. In the end he cut
        off Daksha‘s head. Brahma had to intervene to pacify Shiva and his men.

        Wars of the gods

        Vedic literature (especially the Brahmanas) is full of references to
        internecine wars and those against the Asuras (Demons). We do not wish
        to go into the details of these wars here. All these wars were fought by
        the male Vedic gods and the goddesses took no part in them. The
        situation however changed with the Puranic goddesses. In the Puranic
        times wars (especially with the Asuras)were left to be fought by the
        goddesses alone and the gods took no part in them.

        The internecine enmity of the gods was also
        evident even in their pets. Shiva had a snake around his neck which was
        the enemy of the mouse used by Ganesha for riding. Kartkaya rode on a
        peacock which was the enemy of Shiva‘s snake. Parvati rode on a lion
        which was the enemy of a cow ridden by Nandi. In Hinduism there are wars
        where the Asuras (demons) were routed and killed by the gods (devtas)
        and on the other hand there are also wars where the gods (devtas) are
        killed or harassed by the demons. One wonders what spiritual lessons can
        one draw from such wars fought without any aims.

      • Mahesh or Shiv :

        The third one in the trio is known as Mahesh or Shiv. Not too many incarnations are registered in his name. He is known as God of Death. All ghosts, demons, draculas and evil spirits are his followers. He is believed to be God of Shudras.

        He is the only person who could successfully challange authority of Vishnu. Some writers advance a theory that he was God of original inhibitants of India. When Aryans invaded India, he resisted their move. But ultimately, he gave up when granddaughters of Brahma became his wives. Despite being ‘Jawaeen’ i.e. son-in-law of Brahmanic Super God, their hate for him did not vanish. Tulsi made Ram to say in his Ramcharit : Shiv worshipper is my foe. As per Harivash Puran Brahma’s son Daksh gave his one daughter Sati to Mahesh. But despite that relationship, he was always kept away from family functions.

        Yags were the source of income, food, wine and even authority. Daksh did not give Shive his due share. His wife coitted suicide in the fire of yag. Infuriated over this incidence, he sent his men who destroyed the yag and killed Daksh like the animal is killed in yag. The attackers even urinated in the yag fire.

        It shows that Shiv had no respect for yags which was lifeline of Aryans. Anyhow, Shiv was presented another woman instantly. However, Shiv too was Brhamanised. Some incidents have been associated with his name also.

        In Rajasthan, when someone dies, women sing songs for whole of night. These songs are called ‘Harjas’ i.e. praise of God. One of the Harjas depicts life of Shiv. It says that when Shiv returned after meditation of 12 years, he found a nine-year-old boy guarding his abode. When Shiv tried to enter, he resisted his move. Hence, the God cut his neck.
        This story clearly states that Shiv had not fathered that boy Ganesh. Parvati produced her in his absence. The Shiv who is claimed to be Triloki-nath i.e. owner of all the three worlds and having every-moment information of the universe could not know that Ganesh was son of his wife Parvati who produced him when he was engaged in meditation.
        More important is the fact that the God was so cruel that he cut the head of a little boy. Anybody can guess what would he do after taking incarnation.
        His second action was that of running after Vishnu the Mohini to quench his lust. Fortunate was Vishnu that he could save herself from the cluches of lustful Shiv. Otherwise, how many children Vishnu would have given birth, would have been other subject matter of Purans. Perhaps due to this, Ram gifted 16 adolescent girls to his incarnation Hanuman. The Ramayan says (Uttarkand ) that the girls had just entered their youth and their genitals had just started growing hair. Nothing is left to guess what the incarnation of Shiv did of those girls.
        His third story is about worship of his penis or phallus. Once all the three Gods had a fight on the question : who is the supreme. Their fight bore no result. Ultimately, Bhrigu the Brahman was appointed the Commissioner to decide the case. He first visited the abode of Brahma who did not take care of him. The Brahman was infuriated. He cursed as he did not worship the Brahman, henceforth, nonbody would worship Brahma. Then he went to Shiv. He was engaged in sexual intercourse with his wife. He too did not take notice of the Brahman. So the Brahman commanded that as he is always engaged in sex, he become a penis. So Shiv became penis with vagina around it. Then he went to Vishnu who was sleeping. Bhrigu the Brahman kicked him. He held of brahman’s foot and asked if it has not been hurt. Brahman was pleased with his Brahman-reverence. He was thus declared supreme god
        It is simply a cock & bull story. If Shiv had turned into ‘Penis’ why the life of Shiv did not come to an end. How could Shiv exist after becoming a penis? In fact, Brahmans made him penis to provide sanction of religion to their own lustful misdeeds..

      • Their another book Ling Puran i.e. History of Penis tells another story. It says once Brahma and Vishnu were fighting over their supremacy. Suddenly a giant penis appeared between them. Both agreed whosoever would find one end of the penis, would be Supreme God. Both travelled thousands of miles but neither could find the end. Ultimately, they worshipped that penis of Shiv and named him Mahadev i.e. Supreme God.
        It appears to be a story told by sex-maniac quack who sell medicine to cure all sex-problems.

        Just think over! Whom do we call a ‘God’! It is universal acceptance that God is Father of all fathers. Then how can a ‘Father’ be a penis! How could daughters and sons worship penis of that Father. It is really a blot in the name of religion. A person who gets his penis worshipped a NEVER be a God.

        If such a person is God, then where is a need for Satan? Even Satan does not think of doing so.

      • Wow!!!!! Eye opener about your thoughts… and way of thinking….

        Stri Ling, Pu Ling, Shiv Ling…. Ling – Symbol or Sign sort of thing
        Stri Ling – Women Penis
        Pu Ling – Men Penis
        Shiv Ling – Shiv’s Penis
        Wow! Really Wow …

        Forget about Shiv its beyond your contemplation. An aghori’s thought for you… why you be pleased even okay worshiping food as god …. and not sex?
        Why sex is sinful to you? oh might be apple of garden…
        Why you are shameful or detesting sex?
        May be you are virgin birth but I’m born out of sex.. deal with it…

        Secondly; when you hate something; then you stop claiming you understand or know it because you can’t.. As you have hate glasses you can never see the truth.. even if you see you interpret in accordance to your hate.

        “If such a person is God, then where is a need for Satan”
        Exactly: there is no Satan indeed.. its our mind and egos that create rakshasas, not satan sitting in clouds like your akas or fathres say… To destroy collective egos of this evil society some one will raise again and again in different names and forms.. people call them avathars.. enjoy!!

      • @Shiva,
        I am not fluent in english so will try to speak in hindi..
        humko is ling wing se koi lena dena nahi hai yeh sirf me ne apko udharan ke tor par dikhaya tha.tumhare uttar ke bhi hum sarahna karte hai par hinduism me bahot si kamiya hai ye apko batana mera uddesh matra tha.

        Shankar agar Bhagwan tha to usne khud apne santan GANESH jisko parvati ne apne body ke mitti se janam diya tha uski hatya qyo ki? aur bad me unpe kisi pashu ka sar laga kar jivit kiya?
        kehne ka tatpary ye hai ke qyo wo itne krodhit hua karte thy?

        Ishwar ko to ahinsa pasand nahi hai usko toh na kisi ne janma hai aur na hi usko koi mar sakta hai to phir Shankar ishwar ka roop kaise??

      • Dr. Charles claims that Ramayana contains much pornographic material and cannot be read in public. He gives the following examples: Rama’s description of Sita’s beauty which is lewdly detailed (refer to C.R. Srinivasalyengar’s translation of Aranya Kandam – chapter 46).

        In Kiskind Kandam, Rama explains to Lakshmana of his sexual experience with Sita. According to Ramayana, the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor (nine different kinds), eat meat, marry many wives and prostitution was an accepted way of life amongst the priests and gods.

        Ramayana also recounts the “story of King Dasharatha who, in order to have a baby son, made a big sacrifice (yaham) of sheep, cattle, horses, birds and snakes. He then delivered his three wives Kaushaliya, Sumatirai and Kaikeyi to three priests. These holy men, having fully satisfied their carnal desire, returned the ladies to the King. By this means, the King was able to have three sons – Ram, Lakshman and Bharat (Bala Kandam, Chapter 14. For more details on yaham, refer to the book “Gnana Surian”, published by Kudi Arasu Press).

        The Ramayan tells us much about the unlawful relationship of incest but we do not feel it appropriate or decent for us to go into details. (Please refer to Aranya Kandam, chapter 45, verses 122, 123, 124 & 125).

      • Aswamedtha Yaga – Unification of kingdoms literally war to unify India…
        Dhasharatha wanted sons but waited till Ashwamedha yaga finished, did yagna for gods and had 4 sons in peace time.. Later even Ram does Aswamedha Yagna.
        Rajasuya Yagna of Yudhistir – same
        Akanda Bharath of Chanakya all same..

        If you can talk of Hanuman’s lust, and Ram giving 12 virgins to Hanuman as sex slaves (this talk is inspired from Bible or Quran). But I totally understand your state of mind..

        If you seriously want to talk about lust in purans Shiv, Mohini (as u did) or Shiv & Parvathi or Brahma & Saraswathy and Krishna with infinity or Indra would be much better.

      • @Shiva,

        Ye sare jo granth hai like: vedas, manusmriti, Srimad Bhagavad Gita wo ishwar dwara bheji gayi pustake nahi hai. yeh to swayam rishi muniyo aur kuch vidvan purusho ki khoj aur unke gyan ka lekha jokha hai aur to aur isko bad me dharm ke kuch ati gyani logo ne unme bhi apne anusar parivartan karva diye hai jis par aaj hum sab log chal rahe hai un logo ne apne milavati bate usme daal di hai jisko aajkal bade shauk se follow kiya jata hai. aur usme bhi kuch dhongi babawo ne isko dhanda (buisness) bana diya hai. wo log apko sirf wohi batein batayege jo ke logo ko pasand ayegi aur saty ko jante hue bhi apse chupakar rakha jata hai.

        Bible & Quran to God/ishwar ki taraf se bheji huyi hone ka dawa karte hai par hamare hinduism me koi bhi aisa na to dawa kar sakta hai aur na he usko sidhh kar sakta hai ke hinduism me koi pustak ishwar se prapt hui hai

      • “Bible & Quran to God/ishwar ki taraf se bheji huyi hone ka dawa karte hai”
        Dawa karne se kuch nahi hota..

        10 commandments are weak students memory of Yama + Niyama
        Seems that our Pathanjai much more greater than your God of “Books”
        As Yama-Niyama are more broader and universal unlike 10 commandments..
        Ex:
        Don’t hold false witness V/s Satya
        Don’t involve in adultery V/s Brahma Charya
        Don’t covet V/s Aparigraha
        Don’t Steal V/s Asteya
        Don’t Kill any human V/s Ahimsa

        First 5 are really silly compared to niyamas : Sauca, santosha, Tapa, Swadhyaya, Ishwara Parinidhana…

        FYI: Pathanja li yogasutra’s are much much older than moses poor kiddo..
        The God of books is very childish like if you worship me heaven else hell..
        I ll see you for 100 yr then let you have sex, wine forever if i like or burn you for ever if i don’t..
        Silly god…. and psychotic, deranged egomaniac

        It appalls me that people think, after death males will be males and have cock that will be put use 24/7 in aka’s heaven.. And these are revelations from GOD..

        An army general excited his folks by saying that the next kingdom we are going to ravage has beautiful women each of you can have like upto 72.. there is lot of wine and honey.. this is pure motivation to desert people who fought for small water wells… So use heads…

      • What is the origin of this unjustified hate and dark force?

        All the evils what we can see today are rooted in Muhammad. Muslims receive their destructive mindset from Muhammad. Muhammad had died several centuries ago but still he is very much present amongst Muslims in spirit long after he had gone to his grave.

        Do you want to say that Muhammad was a fake?

        Yes. He was not only a fake, a vulgar imposter in a divine robe but a terrorist and a criminal of worst type also. In Islam everything is fake. The founder was a fake, the message was also a fake, and the God itself is a fake. Islam is the biggest hoax mankind had ever seen.

        Fair enough. Please expand.

        The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don’t portray Muhammad a ‘superior being’ or any kind of ‘the mercy of God among mankind’. The sources reveal that he was a thief, a liar, an assassin, a pedophile, a shameless womanizer, a promiscuous husband, a rapist, a mass murderer, a desert pirate, a warmonger but a spineless coward, and a calculating and ruthless tyrant. It’s certainly not the character profile of the founder of a true religion.

      • Great…

        Apka knowledge aur IQ level kamal ki hai uski dad deni hogi..
        Tum ne islam choda qyo ke wo tumhare hisab se voilent religion hai jabke islam ka arth hota hai peace. Ishwar ne agar is ki rachna nahi ki hoti to phir ye itna kaise badhta? Qyo Muhammad (pbuh) ne khud ko he khuda bana kar pesh nahi kiya? Wo chahte to waisa kar sakte thay jabke unhone aisa kiya nahi iska kya arth hota hai ke wo ek true prophet thay jis ne ishwar ki bat logo tak pahochayi jo unko karne ko kaha gaya tha unhone ba khubi kardiya is me tumjaise bebas aur lachar log unko qyo doshi tehrate ho? Mujhe to taras aata hai tumlogo ki bato par Bachpan me jab hum chalna sikhte hai tab girte hai ladkhadate hai par us se kya humlog chalna chod dete hai? Waise he tumhare case me bhi mujhe dikhayi deta hai ke tum un logo me se ho jo girne ke bad chalna chod dete hai.

        Par ye to kuch bhi nahi hamare hindu samaj me to log avtar lekar bhi ranglaliya manate rahe hai.dacoit ban kar logo ke gharo ko ujadte rahe hai aur to aur apne he santano ka khud he khun bahate aaye hai wo bhi kis liye? Dhan, Stri, Sampatti prapt karne ke liye.even sare devi devtao ki murtiyo aur tasvero me sab ke pass weapons mojud hai to yeh bhi ek mukhya roop se is bat ka pratik hai ke terrorism ke beej to hinduwo ne he bahot pehle se bokar rakhe hai aur wo he to sab se oldest community hone ka dawa karti hai us hisab se hindu se he terrorism ka janm huwa karan chahe jo bhi ho par asliyat to yehi samne ati hai.

      • Caste (varna): Brahmin = Priest Caste; Ksatriya = Rajanya/Ruler/Warrior Caste; Vaisya = Commoner Caste; Sudra = Servant/Slave Caste; and Avarna = Outcaste/Untouchable/Dalit/Candala/Dog-eater. There are also many subsets in each caste. Dvija = twice-born (twice-born = upper 3 castes or sometimes just Brahmin caste particularly). Some Hindus have a delusion that caste is not promoted by any of their holy books. Is that really so? Let’s find out:

        “By his very birth a Brahmin is a deity even for the gods and the only authority for people in this world, for the Veda is the foundation in this matter.” — Manusmrti 11:85.

        “People here whose behaviour is pleasant can expect to enter a pleasant womb, like that of a woman of the Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya caste. But people of foul behaviour can expect to enter the foul womb, like that of a dog, a pig, or an outcaste woman.” — Chandogya Upanisad 5:10:7.

        “If a man of one birth (Sudra) hurls cruel words at one of the twice-born, his tongue should be cut out, for he was born from the rear-end. If he mentions their name or caste maliciously, a red-hot iron nail ten-fingers long should be thrust into his mouth. If he is so proud as to instruct priests about their duty, the king should have hot oil poured into his mouth and ears.” — Manusmrti 8:270-272.

        “If a man of inferior caste tries to sit down on the same seat as a man of superior caste, he should be branded on the hip and banished, or have his buttocks cut off.” — Manusmrti 8:281.

        “If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up.” — Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.

        “If someone born in a Ksatriya, Vaisya, or Sudra womb should be unable to pay his fine, he may absolve himself of the debt by labour; a Brahmin should pay little by little. The king should have women, children, madmen, and the old, the poor, and the ill chastised with a whip, a bamboo cane, a rope, and so forth.” — Manusmrti 9:229-230.

        “The Sudra’s duty and supreme good is nothing but obedience to famous Brahmin householders who know the Veda. If he is unpolluted, obedient to his superiors, gentle in his speech, without a sense of ‘I’, and always dependent on the Brahmins and the other (twice-born castes), he attains a superior birth (in the next life).” — Manusmrti 9:334-335.

        “…thereby the Ksatriya, whenever he likes, says, ‘Hello Vaisya, just bring to me what you have stored away!’ Thus he both subdues him and obtains possession of anything he wishes by dint of this very energy.” — Satapatha Brahmana 1:3:2:15.

        “One-fourth of (the punishment for) Brahmin-killing is traditionally regarded as (the punishment) for the killing of a Ksatriya, one-eighth for (killing) a Vaisya, and it should be one-sixteenth for (killing) a Sudra who knows his place.” — Manusmrti 11:127.

        “A Brahmin is a great deity whether or not he is learned, just as fire is a great deity whether or not it is brought to the altar. The purifying fire with its brilliant energy is not defiled even in cremation grounds, and when oblations of butter are placed in it at sacrifices it grows even greater. Thus Brahmins should be revered in every way, even if they engage in all kinds of undesirable actions, for this is the supreme deity. If the Ksatriyas become overbearing towards the Brahmins in any way, the Brahmins themselves should subdue them, for the Ksatriyas were born from the Brahmins.” — Manusmrti 9:317-320.

      • “A Ksatriya in adversity may also make a living by all of these (means); but he should never be so proud as to assume the livelihood of his betters. If a man of the lowest caste should, through greed, make his living by the innate activities of his superiors, the king should confiscate his wealth and banish him immediately. One’s own duty, (even) without any good qualities, is better than someone else’s duty well done; for a man who makes his living by someone else’s duty immediately falls from (his own) caste.” — Manusmrti 10:95-97.

        “With whatever limb an inferior insults or hurts his superior in caste, of that limb the king shall cause him to be deprived. If he places himself on the same seat with his superior, he shall be banished with a mark on his buttocks. If he spits on him, he shall lose both lips; If he breaks wind against him, his hindparts; If he uses abusive language, his tongue. If a (lowborn) man through pride gives instruction (to a member of the highest caste) concerning his duty, let the king order hot oil to be dropped into his mouth. If a (low-born man) mentions the name or caste of a superior revilingly, an iron pin, ten inches long, shall be thrust into his mouth (red hot).” — Visnusmrti 5:19-25.

        “His (Purusa’s) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born.” — Rig Veda 10:90:12.

        In comparison, Sudras are as low as feet & Outcastes (avarna) are even below that status of course.

        NO WONDER DALITS LOOK FOR RESPECT

        HINDUISM’S TREATMENT OF OUTCASTES (AVARNA)

        “Candalas must live out of the town, and their clothes must be the mantles of the deceased.” — Visnusmrti 16:14.

        “These (castes) should live near mounds, trees, and cremation-grounds, in mountains and in groves, recognizable and making a living by their own innate activities. But the dwellings of ‘Fierce’ Untouchables (candala) and ‘Dog-cookers’ (svapaca) should be outside the village; they must use discarded bowls, and dogs and donkeys should be their wealth. Their clothing should be the clothes of the dead, and their food should be in broken dishes; their ornaments should be made of black iron, and they should wander constantly. A man who carries out his duties should not seek contact with them; they should do business with one another and marry with those who are like them. Their food, dependent upon others, should be given to them in a broken dish, and they should not walk about in villages and cities at night.” — Manusmrti 10:50-54.

        “If one who (being a member of the Candala or some other outcaste) must not be touched, intentionally defiles by his touch one who (as a member of a twice-born caste) may be touched (by other twice-born persons only), he (or she) shall be put to death. If a woman in her courses (touches such a person), she shall be lashed with a whip.” — Visnusmrti 5:104-5.

      • CASTE IN THE GITA
        There is ample justification in the Gita alone to maintain caste divisions & oppressions; here are Lord Krsna’s words:

        “It is far better to perform one’s svadharma (prescribed duties), even though faultily, than another’s duties perfectly. Destruction in the course of performing one’s own duty is better than engaging in another’s duties, for to follow another’s path is dangerous.” — Bhagavad-Gita 3:35.

        “According to the three modes of material nature (goodness, passion, ignorance) and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society (Brahmin/Ksatriya/Vaisya/Sudra) are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the nondoer, being unchangeable.” — Bhagavad-Gita 4:13.

        “It is better to engage in one’s own svadharma (occupation), even though one may perform it imperfectly, than to accept another’s occupation and perform it perfectly. Duties prescribed according to one’s nature are never affected by sinful reactions.” — Bhagavad-Gita 18:47.

        Lord Rama (who, like Lord Krsna, is an Avatar of Lord Visnu) would be in complete accord with the above quotes; afterall, he killed an innocent Sudra, Sambuka, only because he was performing austerities which were not prescribed duties for low-castes (ref. Ramayana 7:88-89).

        LORD SIVA CONDEMNED FOR ALLOWING A LOW-CASTE (A SUDRA) TO READ VEDAS
        Women & Sudras (& outcastes) are not allowed to study the Vedas; this is one reason this “God” Siva is denounced for allowing a Sudra the Vedic teachings. Daksa’s curse is as follows:

        “The Brahmins will not sacrifice to you along with the other gods, for Siva has defiled the path followed by good men; he is impure, an abolisher of rites and demolisher of barriers, [who gives] the word of the Vedas to a Sudra. He wanders like a madman, naked, laughing, the lord of ghosts, evil-hearted. Let Siva, the lowest of the gods, obtain no share with Indra and Visnu at the sacrifice; let all the followers of Siva be heretics, opponents of the true scriptures, following the heresy whose god is the king of ghosts.” — Brahma Purana 2:13:70-73; Garuda Purana 6:19; Bhagavata Purana 4:2:10-32.

        HINDU GODS DO NOT COMMUNE WITH LOW-CASTES
        In Hinduism, it is understood that women cannot sacrifice or conduct official yajnas (nor become priests of course) because a male relative is required. However, the unfortunate news is that Hindu Gods do not talk to those detested things called ‘low-castes’ either:

        “Now the gods do not commune with everyone, but only with a Brahmin, or a Rajanya (Ksatriya), or a Vaisya; for these are able to sacrifice. Should there be occasion for him to converse with a Sudra, let him say to one of those, ‘Tell this one so and so! Tell this one so and so!’ This is the rule of conduct for the consecrated in such a case.” — Satapatha Brahmana 3:1:1:10.

        Low-castes do not need to despair; Hindu scriptures are utterly ruthless in degrading almost anyone who is Hindu (mortal or divine). Perhaps Brahmins are the exception to the rule though (not women of Brahmins however).

        LOW-CASTE WIVES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SERVE THE GUESTS
        According to the timeless Visnusmrti, only the twice-born caste wives (Brahmin wives, Ksatriya wives & Vaisya wives) of a twice-born man, but not the Sudra wife, are allowed to serve the guests during the sacrifice. He (and she) will be barred from entering heaven if he permits a low caste wife to offer such hospitalities:

        “A union of a twice-born man with a Sudra wife can never produce religious merit; it is from carnal desire only that he marries her, being blinded by lust. Men of the three first castes, who through folly marry a woman of the lowest caste, quickly degrade their families and progeny to the state of Sudras. If his oblations to the gods and manes and (his hospitable attentions) to guests are offered principally through her (a Sudra wife’s) hands, the gods and manes (and the guests) will not eat such offerings, and he will not go to CASTE IN THE GITA
        There is ample justification in the Gita alone to maintain caste divisions & oppressions; here are Lord Krsna’s words:

        “It is far better to perform one’s svadharma (prescribed duties), even though faultily, than another’s duties perfectly. Destruction in the course of performing one’s own duty is better than engaging in another’s duties, for to follow another’s path is dangerous.” — Bhagavad-Gita 3:35.

        “According to the three modes of material nature (goodness, passion, ignorance) and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society (Brahmin/Ksatriya/Vaisya/Sudra) are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the nondoer, being unchangeable.” — Bhagavad-Gita 4:13.

        “It is better to engage in one’s own svadharma (occupation), even though one may perform it imperfectly, than to accept another’s occupation and perform it perfectly. Duties prescribed according to one’s nature are never affected by sinful reactions.” — Bhagavad-Gita 18:47.

        Lord Rama (who, like Lord Krsna, is an Avatar of Lord Visnu) would be in complete accord with the above quotes; afterall, he killed an innocent Sudra, Sambuka, only because he was performing austerities which were not prescribed duties for low-castes (ref. Ramayana 7:88-89).

        LORD SIVA CONDEMNED FOR ALLOWING A LOW-CASTE (A SUDRA) TO READ VEDAS
        Women & Sudras (& outcastes) are not allowed to study the Vedas; this is one reason this “God” Siva is denounced for allowing a Sudra the Vedic teachings. Daksa’s curse is as follows:

        “The Brahmins will not sacrifice to you along with the other gods, for Siva has defiled the path followed by good men; he is impure, an abolisher of rites and demolisher of barriers, [who gives] the word of the Vedas to a Sudra. He wanders like a madman, naked, laughing, the lord of ghosts, evil-hearted. Let Siva, the lowest of the gods, obtain no share with Indra and Visnu at the sacrifice; let all the followers of Siva be heretics, opponents of the true scriptures, following the heresy whose god is the king of ghosts.” — Brahma Purana 2:13:70-73; Garuda Purana 6:19; Bhagavata Purana 4:2:10-32.

        HINDU GODS DO NOT COMMUNE WITH LOW-CASTES
        In Hinduism, it is understood that women cannot sacrifice or conduct official yajnas (nor become priests of course) because a male relative is required. However, the unfortunate news is that Hindu Gods do not talk to those detested things called ‘low-castes’ either:

        “Now the gods do not commune with everyone, but only with a Brahmin, or a Rajanya (Ksatriya), or a Vaisya; for these are able to sacrifice. Should there be occasion for him to converse with a Sudra, let him say to one of those, ‘Tell this one so and so! Tell this one so and so!’ This is the rule of conduct for the consecrated in such a case.” — Satapatha Brahmana 3:1:1:10.

        Low-castes do not need to despair; Hindu scriptures are utterly ruthless in degrading almost anyone who is Hindu (mortal or divine). Perhaps Brahmins are the exception to the rule though (not women of Brahmins however).

        LOW-CASTE WIVES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SERVE THE GUESTS
        According to the timeless Visnusmrti, only the twice-born caste wives (Brahmin wives, Ksatriya wives & Vaisya wives) of a twice-born man, but not the Sudra wife, are allowed to serve the guests during the sacrifice. He (and she) will be barred from entering heaven if he permits a low caste wife to offer such hospitalities:

        “A union of a twice-born man with a Sudra wife can never produce religious merit; it is from carnal desire only that he marries her, being blinded by lust. Men of the three first castes, who through folly marry a woman of the lowest caste, quickly degrade their families and progeny to the state of Sudras. If his oblations to the gods and manes and (his hospitable attentions) to guests are offered principally through her (a Sudra wife’s) hands, the gods and manes (and the guests) will not eat such offerings, and he will not go to heaven – Visnusmrti 26:5-7

      • “In Hinduism, it is understood that women cannot sacrifice or conduct official yajnas (nor become priests of course) because a male relative is required.”

        Half truth; have ever seen a male alone doing yagna? without wife? [yes gurus might but normal single males cant perform yagna without wife]

        And sadhakas + Gurus male or female perform yagnas visit Arya samaj.. or know about Anasuya to Ahalya Bhai holkar..
        Its only hinduism that takes women to a durga level.. even Chrislamists cry about this, funnily they don’t have mirror i guess..

        Its a communist evangelical fathomed idea to divide hindu society nothing else…
        They don’t want to improve women status they just want devide that’s all.. as they score dalit votes they don’t have any interest in making things better for them but just devide and rule nothing less nothing more..

      • Wow amazing!! really wow.. You have gathered all the knowledge you need to hate hinduism… Classic..Must appreciate you for this.

        I can prove otherwise on Gita and Chandogya verses (ambedkar also agreed, but im not sure you would) + I don’t give a damn about Ramayan later versions.. Dr. Charles who? Every poet expresses his feelings using dolls / idols / models be it Rama or the most exploited one Krishna… So keeping it aside… Let me share you a small drop of knowledge from Upanishads/Gita..

        We are like boat rower in a pond (mind) with crests & trough (waves) of Raga-Dwesha for everything… There are strong muddy in flowing streams like Kama, Krodha, Lobha, Moha, Mada and Matsarya. Basically we intend to search for pearl at bottom; but mostly we even forget why we entered the pond and end-up catching fishes in that muddy pond.

        And I guarantee if I write this in Sanskrit and ask modern scholars esp. evangelical and communist.. all that they can say is “a pirate looking for treasure lost in different streams finally becomes fisherman”..

        And later poets come and describe as how beautiful boat was and what kind of stick and strings used for fishing, color of fish and how one fish amazingly escaped…

        And finally we debate stick was of bamboo, no no no it was surely teak.. And string was of jute/silk/cotton hook was made of gold/silver/iron copper.. How silly and stupid to even enter into that debate.. So I sit and enjoy the fun of people meet along..

        All the best… And Good luck with ManuSmrithi and All Purans.. May be you enjoy criticizing Krishna for “Radha ki Lachkila kamariya ki tumka” or dare to battle with the mind and ego, what Gita is for..
        Your choice.

        FYI: who gave you all this info are also Brahmins, if you trace back the roots.. So do you want to be in their game or come out of it, kick their asses once for all…

      • @Shiva,
        Raam ko kya mana jata hai? bhagwan or Insan?
        agar tum kahoge bhagwan to ek bhagwan itna krur kaise ho sakta hai jisne chal aur dhoke se pehle sugreev ke sath dosti karke uske bhai bali ko mar diya aur phir vibhishan ke sath mitrata kar ke ravan jaise brahman ki hatya ki, kya yeh bhagwan kehlane ke yogya hai? jabke is poore khel ke piche ravan chupa hua hero tha jiska ekmatra uddesh ye tha ke wo ram ke hatho se mar kar moksha pana chahta tha isi karan usne seeta ka apharan kiya tha. kitni dukhad bat hai ye hindu samaj ke liye ke ravan jaise yodha ke liye uska dahen karke humlog har varsh ‘dashera’ bade harsh va ullhas se manate hai aur Ram jaise papi logo ke liye diwali manayi jati hai.

      • Interview
        Do you mean hate and violence are at the core of Islam?

        Yes, this is exactly what I want to say again and again. Hate is the basic tenet of Islam and violence is the conclusion. The more devoted a Muslim is, the more hateful he is. There are hundreds of Jihadi verses in Qur’an. Islam is the religion of a terrorist. A Christian or Buddhist or Hindu, with deep and sincere religious devotion can become one Mother Teresa, Dalai Lama or Gandhi. But in Islam, we see leaders like Khomeini, Laden, Ahmadinejad, Mullah Omar etc. We cannot say Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa or Gandhi was more religious and more sincere than Laden, Ahmadinejad or Mullah Omar. The argument is about something else – what are the teachings (and demands) of the religious group and its founder. Anyone who puts his blind trust on Qur’an fills up his mind with hatred for nonbelievers. So, Muslims are actually cursed human beings.

        Is that your view of Islam: that some kind of dark force is at work in Islam which compels the Muslims to become criminals and terrorists?

        Yes, you are absolutely right. Repeatedly I want to say that there is indeed a dark force which is at work that makes sane person insane. This dark force destroys all the human qualities and fills up the mind with unjustified hate. Islam is a curse on Humanity because it gives a sacred aura to crime and terrorism. Islam and terrorism are synonymous. They are two sides of the same coin. Islam cannot survive without terrorism because terrorism is the life-giving force of Islam. Terrorism is there in every cell of Islam. Islam and terrorism are blood brothers. Without terrorism Islam will suffocate and collapse. The peaceful face of Islam is the political Islam and it is the mask of violent Islam.

      • And what about Maulana Abul kalam azad…. Ashfaq ulla khan…. APJ Abdul kalam?? ye log Kya Mars par raha karte thay?

        Apjaise logo ki isi choti soch ki wajah se aaj desh aur duniya ka ye hal hai har jagah apni manmani karte ho aur phir munh ke bal ulte girte ho ya phir OSTRICH ban jate ho. Mujhe batao koi khud bolega ke me khuni hu mene hatyaye ki hai? Dusre ki aad le kar he khun karega ya phir uska arop dusre par thop dega waise he islam ki aad le kar anya log terrorism ko bada rahe hai aur unme bhi jews logo ki sankhya jyada hai tum log kabhi tauret granth bhi pad lo aur dekho usme quran me aur bilble me kitni similarities hai aur ek taraf vedas se comparison karo fark samajh me ajayega ke kon sa dharm sacha hai aur logo ko kis marg par chalna hai wo sab pata chal jayega.

      • @Nastik_ ex hinu

        Bhai tumhare raam ki ek baat achhi thi ki usne lanka ko jitne ke baad bhi vaha ki aurto ko bandi nahi banaya aur na hi unki ijat looti aur na hi lanka ki sampati looti jabki hamre muhammad ne usko paigamber na manane walo ki aurto ki ijjat looti aur unki sampati bhi loot lee.

      • @abdu,

        Wow…..

        I mean awsome knowledge u hv about islam..
        Muhammad (pbuh) ne kisi ki izzat nhi luti un ko islam apnane ki dawat di thi.

      • Mr abdu..
        Tu kitna bada haram ka jana hai.. are tu muhammad (saw) ko apna kaise kah ra hai haramkhor..

        Hum samajh rahe hain tu muslim bankar hindu or muslim me ladai karwane ke liye aisa bol raha hai..

        Asal me tera koi deen dharm nahi hai… are laanat hai tujh pe.. mout to zaroor aayegi mr abdu tujhe bhi. Us banane wale se darr tera kya hashr hoga …

      • Hypocrisy ka matlab dund lena… thum jo upar likhe ho wo exactly wahi hai..
        Agar koi Ravan ko hero bol bhi detha me samajath jatha par thu tho ajeebsa confused bandha hai..
        ” ravan chupa hua hero tha jiska ekmatra uddesh ye tha ke wo ram ke hatho se mar kar moksha pana chahta tha isi karan usne seeta ka apharan kiya tha”

        Thum Ravan ko real hero manthe ho, and Ravan Ram ko bhagwan mantha hai.. par thum Ram ko villain wow amazing…

        Chalo main Ram ki wakalath kartha hu, gamadi, maha-gnan-ki garvi Ravan ek aurath ko kidnap kiya… Wo thumhare hero bahuth si aurathonko including son’s wife.. Wo thumhare hero…
        Ram chahtha tho kam se kam 2 3 ko shadi karsaktha tha par nahi wo ek hi se shaadi kiya and one-wife thing became an ideal thing..
        Baali jisko peeche se maarne ki thum khed kartho ho wo bhi misunderstanding wajase uska bhai ko marna chah tha tha aur jab sugriv bhag gaya.. tara ko jabadasthi se rakh liya…

        Har cheej ko gumake bathane me maza haina?

        Angrazi fluently aathi nahi lekin ithna sara excellently written comments post kadiya against hinduism.. seeda sa mathlab hai kahi se utha ke paste kiya.. apni kuch nahi…

        Mujhe tho seriously patha nahi bhagawan konsa book diya ya konsa nahi..
        Par ithna tho patha hai har insan ko dimag diya, isthemal karne.. agar kuch bhi ya koi bhi bhole isko isthemal math karo tho wo 100% god ka nahi kisi dusht insaan ka hai… Tho jo kithabe dimag ko isthemal karne ki against hai tho wo sare – in my view are some evil person’s or in your aka’s words saithan’s…

        Agar god aisa hai ki 100 yrs ka test deke cororo saal thel me fry karega wo tho god nahi psycho hai.. socho tho jara.. mujhe patha hai aka ke hisab se sochna mana hai.. phir bhi ishwar dimag diya tho thoda isthemal karo…

        Ithna patha hai ki bible iswar ki nahi par, some followers versions of jesus story…
        Quran – as vivekananda said it was written by some mentally deluded philosophical conqueror.. patha nahi kithna sach hai leking uske naam se carodo sir kate aur abh bhi kat rahe hain… Peace Out!!

      • Hypocrisy!!! Wo to ajkal humare hindu samaj me bahot dekhne ko milti hai. Aur koi hamare ‘Hypocrisy’ ko exposed kare wo bhi hum log bardasht nhi karte jaise PK movie ko le kar jhamela hua tha usko abhi rehne dete hai.

        Dekho mene ravan ko chupa hua hero isliye kaha qyo ke hamare samaj me koi bhi ye bat accept nahi karta ke wo hero hai agar karta to phir dashera qyo manate? Mere kehne ka ek arth ye bhi tha ke ravan ke alawa aur bhi asuras is dharti par achuke thay jaise ke hiranyakashap, kans adi unko qyo dahen ka samman prapt nahi hai? Anyways!! Ravan ram ko bhagvan manta tha yeh gupt gyan mujhe kisi brahaman se he gyat hua hai me to raam ko bhagvan nhi manta aur ravan ne sota ka apharan qyo kiya yeh to tumko pata he hoga? Chalo koi nahi phir bhi tumko me bata deta hu Ravan ne apni bahen Shrupnaka ke apman ka badla lene ke liye sita ko kiddnap kiya mauj masti karne ke liye nahi phir bhi sita pavitra hone ke bavajud ram ne us par shak kiya aur sita ko agnipariksha se guzrna pada uske bad bhi uska man shant nahi hua aise admi ko bhagwan qyokar kaha jaye!! Jisne anginat hatyaye ki dhoke se dushmano ko mara wo kaisa bhagwan.
        Dekho tuhari bat true hai bokks me milavat hosakti hai par jo usme positive things hai usko le kar chalna chahiye aur dusre ke liye bhi wohi vyohar karo jo khud ke liye pasand aye.

        Books ke bare me bhi meri ye rai hai ke kisi bhi book ya granth par koi tippani nahi karna chahiye jab ke uska stya apko thik se pata na ho. Jaise kisi novel ya movie ko dekhne ka apna apna nazarya hai waise he grantho aur book ke bare me bhi hota hai log uski positive side ko dekhte hai ya negetive side ko dekh kar prerit hote hai ye logo par depend karta hai sadhuvo ke ghas me bhi kabhi kabi papi janm le leta hai iska matlab ye nahi ke aap sadhu ko he dosh dene lag jawo. Buddhi ka upyog karna to atyant zaruri hai qyo ki ajkal samajh me jonghat raha hai wo bhi kuch ati gyani logo ki buddhi ka mayajal hai to usko bhi samajhna avashyak hai.

      • @nastik_ex_hindu:disqus

        Hypocracy to tum me bhi hai. Tum kaffiro ke culture ko apnaate ho unki bhasha bolte ho aur unkee tarah rahte ho. Tum kaha se muslmaan ho? Kisi kaffir ko tumne maara nahi aur sochte ho Allah tumhe 72 sunder aurte dega jannat me . Prophet ne hazaaro kaffiro ko mara aur marvaaya par tumne to unse dosti kar rakhi hai, Tum kaha ke prophet ke follower ho?

      • Wow!
        True islamic knowledge & eye opening statement!!

        @abdu miya
        Kis ne tum ko kahdiya ke sirf khun bahane se he jannat aur angels milegi? Zara gaur se padho usme Namaz, Roza, Zaqat, Tauhid aise Amal mojud hai uska tumhe pata nahi Deen ka kuch Wasta nahi. Sirf Sex & War me tum ko dilchaspi hai. Uska proper gyan hasil karo pehle.

        Muhammad (pbuh) ne vidvavo se nikah kiya tha unko pane ke liye unke patiyo ko nahi mara tha. Hawa yu to humko dikhayi nhi deti par usme kisi ko sanso ke madhyam se jivan dene aur toofan aur cyclone lakar maut dene ki dono khubiya hoti hai iska arth ye nahi ke tum kehte phiro ke hawa bahot dangerous hai usko apne pass mat ane do. So enjoy till judgement day!

        Quran 33:50 ‘O Prophet! The Communicator of unseen news, We have made lawful for you those of your wives when youpay dower and the possession of your hand the slave girls whom Allah has given you as the spoils of war, andthe daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of yourmaternal uncles and aunts who have migrated with you, and the believing women if she presents herself to theprophet and the prophet desires to marry her, this provision is specially for you and not for the believing men.We know what We have appointed for them concerning their wives and the possession of their hands the slavegirls; this specialty is of your so that there may not be any hardship on you. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

      • Ramayan ki baath chodo thumari baat karthe hai..

        ” ravan chupa hua hero tha jiska ekmatra uddesh ye tha ke wo ram ke hatho se mar kar moksha pana chahta tha isi karan usne seeta ka apharan kiya tha”

        This is your statement in first comment, based on which I can assume that Ravan thought by dying at hands of Ram will emancipate him why?

        Again the following is also yours:
        “Ravan ram ko bhagvan manta tha yeh gupt gyan mujhe kisi brahaman se he gyat hua hai me to raam ko bhagvan nhi manta aur ravan ne sita ka apharan qyo kiya yeh to tumko pata he hoga?”

        “Ravan ne apni bahen Shrupnaka ke apman ka badla lene ke liye sita ka apharan kiya”

        Thumhine answer diya phir thumhi ne question kiya tho main kya karu?..
        Koi kuch bhi bole I stick to Valmiki Ramayan… For knowlege and motivation, Ram is my role model.. I don’t give much damn about Ram ka dhanush 6 foot tha ki 4..

        You get yourself strait…

        This is your statement:
        “Books ke bare me bhi meri ye rai hai ke kisi bhi book ya granth par koi tippani nahi karna chahiye jab ke uska stya apko thik se pata na ho.”

        Just think of what all you said (and your interpretations) about Ramayan; that’s what I call hypocrisy. I hope the meaning is clear..

        So are the “Books” they say non-believers will be tortured in hell, Idolators are the worst of kind.. and finally say do not judge / criticize other’s religion..
        That’s the confusion of Jesus & Mohammed.. also hypocrisy..
        And all peace followers easily say others as demon worshipers, satan worshipers; but if someone raises question against books they get to morals of saying do not judge / criticize others.. Wow!

        Any analytical guy would say its shear nonsensical.

      • Bhai Apka Gyan Mujh Se Jayada Hosakta Hai Is Bat Se Mujhe Koi Appati Nahi!!
        But The Fact Is Aaj Ke Dor Me Hamare Hinduism Me Kitni Milawati Batein Chal Rahi Hai (Ex:Ram vs Ravana) Toh Jab Itna Confusion Hai Koi Kuch Manta Hai Toh Koi Kuch Sachayi Jan ne Wale Bahot Kam Log Hai. Tum Bolte Ho Tumhe Valmiki Ki Ramayan Par Bharosa Hai Toh Mujhe Us Se Koi Appati Nahi Hai But Khud Kabhi “Valmiki” Ke Background Par Bhi Drishti Dal Kar Dekho Ke Uska Character Kaisa Tha. Anyways.. Tum Ram Ko Hero Mano Main Ravan Ko Shresht Manta Hu Apni Apni Soch Hai.

        Books Ka Udharan Mene Isliye Diya Qyo Ke Apjaise Wyakti Quran & Bible Ki Baton Par Appati Jatate Ho Par Jab Khud He Ke Grantho Ka Koi “Mazak” Udaye Yeh Humko Bardasht Nahi Hota Aisi Bhi Soch Rakhte Ho Is Liye Mene Kaha Jo Chiz Apko Apne Prati Pasand Ho Wo He Dusre Ke Prati Karo.

      • Me sirf uski saar aur neethi wa philosophy pe dyan dethe hai..

        Shiv ka thathv yahi ki na koi mahan na koi bura; Shiv ka drishti me Ram koi mahan nahi aur Ravan koi bura nahi..
        Aur Sanathan me har kisi ko unnathi ki mauke diye jathe hai naki bas corodo saal thel me fry karthe hai.. agale janm, ya isi janm me..
        Valmiki was out-casted guy a dukaith tha.. par usne sadhna karke maha rishi bana..
        Valmiki Ramayan was first and original, later versions translations, inclusions. when it gets into hands of poets romance and over-glorification will come. Ramayan ki jab bath hothi tho thum tulsi das ka ya Dr.Charles ka interpretation and extrapolation bathaya tho mai kya bolun..

        FYI: In tribal lore of ramayan, when Ram, Lakan, Sita sets up their hut in forest they get a deer and sacrifice to house.. Its mind-less to debate on this points
        Ramayan – is for Family relations (Father son, mother son, brothers, spouse), Kings duties, Fighting against immorality, injustice .. patience, struggles, separation..
        From Ravan – Don’t be proud of your strength, wealth, knowledge and power a day will come when it ends. And hold your horses of Kam, Krodh etc..
        Even Ram says to Lakshman go and learn from Ravan as he is the greatest scholar of this time.

        Forcefully enforcing caste-system on Ramayan is injustice to ramayan..
        yes if it does discard any people please lets discuss on it.. like blind books (Bible & Quran) discard all non-believer to hell forever..

      • Cast-system; untouchability, mindless ritualism, dharshan lines with price tags at big temples, and babas & gurus dramas ye sab ki kadapi defend nahi kartha hun..

        Aur ye sab insaniyath pe nahi balki Gita / Upanishadompe dabba hai… Inko har giz rokna tho padega, lekin is aad me thumjaise koi Gita ko hi mitane ki baath karetho pahale unhe rokna padega kyonki Gita, Ramayan hi humara astra hai in brahmanoke kilaf. Honestly speaking Gita wo gyan ki ganga jo har pyas ko bhuja sakthi hai aur har maile ko dho sakthi hai.. use mitaneki baath karna tho murktha hogi.

        Ye bath saaf hai ki aap Musalman hai, aur aap ne tho ramayan me wobhi ram aur hanuman pe lust wagaira ke fantasy bunake rakhe ho..

        lekin ek baar hadith, quran padke dekho, aka ke barose math rehna, padke tho dekho kya hai usme.. waha tho maha purushone lust me tho saari had paar kardiya.. Ek tribe ko tho peaceful mohamaad ne aise gnhone tharike mara ki poocho math..
        mahilaonke samne unke pita, bhai ko maar kar unhe rape karne legaye.. kahi pathi ke samne bhivi ka rape karke pathi ko mardiya..
        50 saal ka admi 6 sal ki bachi se shyadi karke usse 9 saal sex karna shuru kiya.. Abh jeevan me jo kiya wo kafi nahi abh inki jannath bhi sex se barpur hoga. Maha purush ko bahu pe nazar lag jathi hai, aur allah bhi manzoor kar detha hai.. Even ayesha doubted this, saying “it seems that allah is ever ready to legalize whatever prophet likes””
        me tho koi convoluted, baat tho nahi kar raha hu na thum jaisa…
        Seeda jo hai wo bol raha hu.. jab ye saara andhar hai thumhari najariya me tho ha..

        Jab Jab Adharm badega thab thab koi utega us adharm ko katham karne..
        Jo adharmiyonka nash karega use hum avtar kahthe hai..

        Thum kahthe ho aaj adharm bada hai? jab bharath pe musalmano ka akraman hua afganistan se purushoko kathe striyo ko rape karthe almost pura india par aisa rkshasi pravrithi kiya thab teek tha?
        Thab Sri-Krishan Devraya uta, Shivaji Maharaj uta.. isme british aagaye people tought they would be better than islamic rule.. but it was more loot.
        Bahuth sare mahan kada ho gaye.. 1857 heros + Bhagath Singh, Bose, Gandhi… Yahi insanke andhar ki ishwarathv ki prakat hai…

        If gandhi would have been in like BC’s he would have been God’s Avthar..

        The mere bhai ye Dhanavathv ki aur manavathv ki ladayi hamesha chaltha hi rahtha hai.. Jab manushya ki samarthyse samsya bad jayega thab entry hoga mere Vishnu ki…

        Corruption, loot, lust for power all these are demonic… [Like Cong. CPI/M and Karnataka BJP].. Truth Justice are daivik likes of Subramanya swamy.. Ladayi jari hai.. Jab humese se koi mahan karya (humanly impossible) karega wohi avathar keh layega..

      • Bhai Hum to Insaniyat Ke Dharm Me Bharosa Rakhte Hai Jo Koi Galat Tarike Se Kisi Ki Alochna Kar Raha Hai Usko Uski Asliyat Zarur Yad Dilate Hai, Hamara Tarika Galat Hosakta Hai Lekin Hamara Uddesh Galat Nahi Hai!

        Krishna Ko Bhi Mante Hai Muhammed (pbuh) aur Jesus Adi Ko Bhi Qyo Ke Basic Dharm to Ek He Hai Sabka Ha Jatiya Alag Alag Hosakti Hai, Pashu, Pakshiyo Me Jaat Paat Nahi Hoti, Pedh Paudo Me Nahi Hoti Surya, Chandra, Tare Adi Me Koi Bhedbhav Nahi Hota To Phir Insaniyat Me Qyo Ho Bhala?
        Sabko Ek He GOD/Allah/Ishwar Ne Banaya Hai, Sabka Malik Ek Hai To Phir Yeh Sab Haiwaniyat Ke Kaam Qyo Kar Ho.

      • Koi Jaathi/Janam se Rakshas nahi balki karmonse hotha hai.. Sathya ko sweekarne ke liye himmath ki jaroorath hai jab wo hamare kilaf hai..

        Bible & Quran are anti humanity.. and unlike hindu religion they are rigid..

        How ridiculous it would be if god says I will give you 100yrs of life, if you don’t worship me i will torture you in hell fire for ever.. And all those who don’t worship in accordance with those books are satan worshippers..

        Me tho isse kabhi bhi razi nahi ho saktha.. Muje tho sare red-Indians ki Afrikans ki aur Hindus ki torture at hands of book religions soch – soch ke taras ata hai. Africans are ashamed to even take the names by which they used to worship God…

        Before these book religions came God was god can be worshiped in any form and any ritual as their culture developed.. And all worship was to god.. When people of different cultures met they liked others mode of worship, it was never competition. My way is better or the form of god that i worship is powerful..
        But the day books enter.. all the local ways of worship become satanic and all local names of God becomes satan’s names.. what a pity.. The diversity in spirituality and worship has been completely eroded; its only Sanathan Dharm that resisted all blows and yet lives on.. The day when one more Vivekananda/Adi-Shankara like personality comes I promise all the book religions philosophy will closed for ever.

      • Check my answer to PK & OMG…

        https://www.facebook.com/Answer.to.PK.and.OMG/posts/1660568174183707

        “Wo to ajkal humare hindu samaj me bahot dekhne ko milti hai.”

        Mere bhai.. Samaj aur Ramayan & Gita are entire different aspects…

        Samaj economy ki dhum par chalthihai, brahmanone paise lootne hethu bahuth saare rasthe doond nikale Ex: Satynarayan puja and hilarious stories (The god of these stories is more like god of books than the Vishnu)..
        Likin philosophy sathya ke dhum par hi jeeyega bhale anginath varshonse.. na adhi hai aur jaan lena kithno bhi dhum lagao Sanathan ka anth bhi nahi hai..

        Vastav me thum andhakar wa anyay se ladna chahthe ho; thab Ramayan & Gita will be on your side even if brahmins are the opponents..

        OOOh! I almost forgot Ravan is Brahmin BTW..
        Dhron, Krip, Ashwathama sare brahman the… Hamesha brahman rakshasonke paksh me hi honge kyonki jo Saraswathi ko (Gyan) ko apna dasi banakar swarth purthi ke liye isthemal karega wo tho rakshas hi hoga..

      • @Shiva

        Read this interview on Faithfreedom

        And, what about the Holy Qur’an?

        Well, the Holy Qur’an was actually the Holy terrorist manual of Muhammad. No God had written this book. Today from Taliban warlords to ISIS fanatics – practically every Muslim terrorist can justify his destructive acts by citing Qur’anic verses in support of his heinous actions. Qur’an is the mother of all terrorist manuals. Present day Muslim terrorist manuals are just an annexure to Qur’an.

        Fair enough, please expand.

        There are hundreds of recorded evidences. I shall quote few of them.

        After 9/11 attack Laden claimed that the terrorist attack was in defense of own people and was the will of Allah. He called the Muslims, “to comply with God’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money, whenever and wherever they find them”. And what is God’s order? It’s all in the Qur’an.

        During 1995, The Armed Islamic Group of Algeria commented in a press release, “Everyone should know that the killing, massacring, slaughtering, expulsion, burning, taking on captives that we do, these are sacrifices for the sake of Allah”. Where from this destructive thoughts are coming? It is in the Qur’an (6.162), “Say: ‘Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds’.”

        A pan-Arab daily newspaper published an article on Feb 23/ 1998, where some advice was given to all Muslims and a Qur’anic verse were cited. So what was the advice and what was the verse? The advice was, “The ruling of killing Americans and their allies whether civilian or military is incumbent upon every Muslim who is able and in whichever country is easiest for him”. The relevant verse was, “And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah… ”.

        According to Qur’an, “when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them…” (Q: 9.5). A son of Pakistani businessman was inspired by this verse and he took an oath, “I state in the presence of God that I will slaughter the infidels my entire life… May God give me strength in fulfilling this oath”.

        Muhammad passed down these Qur’anic messages to his followers and in turn they passed down the same to the Muslims generation after generation as unquestionable word of Allah and as time passed, Muslims were found to take up these words and make them into weapons to cause injustice, oppression, and domination and for conversion by force.

        But there are Jews, Christians and Hindus who justify their violence with reference to their religion. Why you are blaming the Muslims alone?

        Yes. It is true. But you forgot to mention that Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism do not have violent organizations equaling the al-Qaida network, Hezbollah and Hamas. Do you see ‘Taliban’ and ‘ISIS fanatics’ in other religions? I do not deny that there is terrorism amongst Christians, but can a Christian terrorist quote from Bible or refer to Jesus to justify his wrongdoings? Laden could quote from Qur’an and traditions from Muhammad to justify his terrorist actions. He was following the command of Allah. The Christian terrorist is betraying the teaching of Christ and turned his back on the examples that Christ have set for them in the New Testament. So there is a clear distinction between Islam and other religions.

      • The following is the story of Safiyah Bint Huyai Ibn Akhtab, the Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops attacked Khaibar and brought her to the Prophet as part of his share of the booty. Muhammad ordered Kinana, the young husband of Safiyah to be tortured to death to make him reveal the whereabouts of the treasure of the town. On the very nigh of that murder, he took Safiyah to his bed and claimed her as his trophy. This story is reported by Tabari in detail. It can also be found in Sira of Ibn Ishaq. The following is reported in the Book of Tabaqat, compiled by Ibn Sa’d. Two years earlier, Muhammad had beheaded Huyai, the father of Safiyah along with 900 men of Bani Quraiza.

        Huyai Ibn Akhtab, father of Safiyah was the leader of the Bani Nadir, one of the Jewish tribes of Medina. Muhammad had exiled the Bani Qainuqa’, another Jewsih tribe of Medina and was coveting the wealth of the Bani Nadit. He was looking for an excuse.

        Meanwhile one of his followers, had treacherously killed two travelers and had stolen their belonging. Banditry had become the way of living for the Muslims. All trade and business in Medina had disappeared after Muhammad’s migration and the only way people could survive was through banditry.

        When this person reported his crime to Muhammad and came to pay him his 20% share, Muhammad thought of a plan. He told the man that he had make a treaty with the Bani ‘Amer to not kill them and now he has to pay the bloodwit. He then went to the Bani Nadir and said since they had a treaty with him they should pay the bloodwit. Now this was an outrageous demand. The Medinan treaty was unilateral and was imposed on the Jews. Even then it said that the Jews will fight against the invaders. There was no clause saying they are liable for the crimes committed by Muslims. Muhammad thought that for sure the Bani nadir will object to this unjust demand and he will use it as as excuse to get rid of them.

      • Cont..
        However, when he went to their quarter, accompanied by six of his close companions, the Jews were too frightened to argue and agreed to collect the money. Muhammad and his companions then sat beneath the shade of a wall while the Jews went to collect the money that he was extortioning from them. This was not what Muhammad hoped for. He had come looking for an excuse and the Jews were not giving it. So he thought of another plan. He told his companions to sit there and that he will be back soon. His companions sat and he never came. The Jews came with the money but Muhammad had already gone.

        When they went to the mosque, the saw him there. He told them that the Jews were plotting to kill him by throwing a stone on him from the top of the wall. When his companions expressed their surprise because they did not notice anything strange, he told them Gabriel had informed him.

        Anyway, using that excuse he demanded that the Bani Nadir leave, leaving all their wealth for him. He actually wanted to massacre them all, but give in to Abdullah ibn Ubay who told him he won’t let him kill his allies. The Bani Nadir were exiled and Muhammad took possession of all their wealth alone, 100% of it. He argued since Muslims did not have to fight, and the Jews surrendered all their spoils belonged to him personally.

        A year alter he fell on the Bani Quraiza, the last Jewish tribe of Medina. Huyah ibn Akhtab, the leader of the Bani Nadir was in the fortress of Bani Quraiza. Muhammad that all the men of this tribe should be beheaded and it was here that Huyay was killed along seven to nine hundred men and boy sof Bani Quraiza.

        If the Bani Nadir wanted to kill him they did not need to climb a wall to throw a stone on him. He was in their fortress. They could easily kill him. But they were afraid of him. Their story should serve as a lesson to us. Cowardice never pays.

        afiyah was seventeen and very beautiful. When Muhammad raided Khaibar. He killed the unarmed men. People were not ready for war. They were taken by surprise. Muhammad was not a warrior. He was a terrorist. His wars are called gazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack).

        Muhammad then captured Kinana and tortured him. He wanted to know where he had hidden the funds of the city. He pressed red hot iron ito his eyes and started a fire on his chest until Kinana died.

        At this moment someone seeing Dihya taking possession of Safiyah, the 17 year old Kinana’s beautiful bride, feels jealous and informs Muhammad that Kinana’s wife is very beautiful and he should take her for himself. Muhammad orders Bilal to find her and bring her.

        Bilal finds Safiyah was was with her cousin, another young woman, sister of Kinana, and brings the two women to Muhammad. Dihya also comes.

        When Kinana’s sister saw her brother’s mutilated corps, and the mutilated body of another man who was her husband she became hysterical and started shouting. Muhammad became enrages, slapped her and shouted, take this devil away from me. Moments later, he told Bilal, “don’t you have any humanity to parade women in front of the corpses of their loved ones?” Bilal responded, I did it on purpose. I wished to see their grief and anger stirred up.

        Muhammad then took Safiyah to his tent and wanted to have sex with her on that very night. She was after all his “right hand possession and as the Quran 4:24 says, she it is permissible for Muslims to rape women captured in war.

        The following is from Tabaqat.

        “Safiyah was born in Medinah. She belonged to the Jewish tribe of Banu ‘I-Nadir. When this tribe was expelled from Medinah in the year 4 A.H, Huyai was one of those who settled in the fertile colony of Khaibar together with Kinana ibn al-Rabi’ to whom Safiyah was married a little before the Muslims attacked Khaibar. She was then seventeen. She had formerly been the wife of Sallam ibn Mishkam, who divorced her. One mile from Khaibar. Here the Prophet married Safiyah. She was groomed and made-up for the Prophet by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik. They spent the night there. Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of the Prophet the whole night. When, in the early dawn, the Prophet saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: “I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account”. The Prophet prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (Ibn Hisham, p. 766) Safiyah had requested the Prophet to wait till he had gone a stage away from Khaibar. “Why?” asked the Prophet. “I was afraid for you on account of the Jews who still happened to be near at Khaibar!”

        The reason Safiyah rejected the sexual advances of Muhammad should be obvious to any thinking person. I believe most women would rather mourn than jump into bed with the killer of their father, husband and many relatives on the same day of their death. But the fact that the Prophet of Allah, this “Mercy of God to all the creation” could not contain his sexual urges for one day to let this young girl grieve, says a lot of his moral character. He was utterly bereft of conscience and empathy.

      • @nastik_ex_hindu:disqus
        What makes one a human is sympathy and empathy, the ability to feel the pains of others and the understanding that other humans have the same rights as we do. Therefore we must not do to others what we don’t like done to us. This ability which we call the Golden Rule is the distinguishing character of humanity. The Golden Rule however is entirely absent from the Muslim psyche. Muslims cannot understand and will never accept the facts that others also have equal rights. It is just beyond them. They are genuinely incapable to feel the pains of others. They actually enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on other humans.

        There is a story about Muhammad who tortured to death a young man named Kinana to force him reveal where he had hidden his treasures. While he was supervising his hapless victim’s torture, someone told him that Kinana’s wife who at that time was 17 was a beautiful woman who had been captured by another Muslim called Dihya. Muhammad ordered his black companion Bilal to bring her to him. Moments later Bilal came back accompanied by Diyha, Kinana’s wife Safiyah and his sister Another man being tortured with Kinana was this young woman’s husband.

        When she saw the mutilated corpse of her brother and husband she began screaming. This angered the Prophet who shouted, “Take this she devil away.” He then told Bilal, “Don’t you have a heart for parading these young women in front of the corpses of their loved ones.” Bilal’s response sums up the feeling that Muslims have shown to their victims for 1400 years. He said “I wanted to relish seeing their pain.”

        The Prophet who was of course full of compassion and mercy, took Safiyah to his tent to soothe her pain with some tender loving sex on that very night.

        Muslims follow this man as their perfect example.

      • Bahot badhiya!!

        Hum Ko Jara Is Bat Ka Ref. De Sakte Ho Ke Kis Hadith Me Yeh Bat Batayi Gayi Hai??

        I Dont Thing So…..

        Yeh Apni Manghadant Kahani Bayan Kar Rahe Ho Tum Is Liye Hum Kehte Hai Ke Islamic Core Philosophy Ko Padho “Milawati” Bato Se Bacho Aur Us Ko Phailana Chod Do. Asliyat Wo Nahi Hai Jo Tum Samaj Ko Dikha Rahe Ho.

        Tumhara Gyan Agar Itna Acha Hai To Qyo Nahi Kisi Islamic Site Par Debate Karne Chale Jate?? Yeh He Is Bat Ka Sab Se Bada Sabut Hai Tum Ek “Thug” Ho Jo Logon Ko Dharm Ke Naam Par Dhoka De Raha Hai.

        Muslims Ki Bat Chodo…Tum Kis Ko Follow Kar Rahe Ho RSS or BJP????

      • @nastik_ex_hindu:disqus

        Mere guru ko aaj tak koi debate me nahi hara saka hai. Unka naam sunte hi Muslim scholars ki Chaddhi gili ho jaati hai.

        Dr. Ali Sina an Ex Muslim from iran & founder of faithfreedom.org

      • Dear Abdu,

        Dr, Ali Sina Insaan Hai Koi Bhagvan Ka Avtar Nahi Hai Jo Unki Har Baat Saty Hojayegi.Har Wyakti Ko Kisi Na Kisi Profession Me Expertness (Maharat) Hoti Hai Jaise Koi Sabse Adhik Shakti Shali Wyapari Hota Hai To Koi Sabse Dabangg Wrestler Jis Ko Koi Patkhani Nahi Desakta Is Ka Arth Ye Nahi Ke Dr.Ali Sina Saint Hai.

      • Just shut up !

        Do not talk nonsense.

        Dr. Ali Sina offers $ 1,00,000 (US Dollars) if any one have guts to disprove his accusations Muhammad was a pedophile, a rapist, a mass-murder. a Mad man, a looter, a terrorist, a narcissist, a lecture, a misogynist, an assassin, a cult leader.

        If you think you have guts to disapprove Ali Sina please go and take $100000 US Dollar winning prize.

        Why Muslims failed miserably to disprove him ?

        The above challenge was issued in 2001 and it hasn’t been met yet.

        Islam is in grave danger. Never, since its inception, Islam has faced a threat as serious as this. Today, millions of ex-Muslims are questioning the claimed truth of Islam, can make their criticisms heard worldwide, and unlike before, not fear for their lives. As long as these questions are not answered, this trend is only bound to continue, until the trickle becomes a torrent and the fall of Islam becomes obvious. In the past, the critics of Islam briefly shined like lamps in darkness, only to be put out by winds of persecution. What is happening today can be likened to the break of the dawn. Darkness has no chance in front of this much light. Muslims are waking up and leaving Islam like never before. A spiritual and intellectual revolution is underway. This is the century of enlightenment of the benighted Muslims. The giant is finally awakening. The days of Islam are numbered. This demon of hate and ignorance will be slain by the hands of its own primary victims. The unity of mankind and the world peace are around the corner.

      • Lolz….

        Qyo Tumhare “Hero” Ke Bare Me Do Shadb Sach Ke Kya Boldiye Tum to Bura Man Gaye! Chalo Koi Nahi Waise Tumko Batadu Bander Ko Sunder Bol dene Se Wo ‘Sunder’ Nahi Kehlata Wo Name & Reality Se Bander He Rehta Hai Like Your Hero…….

        Ek Bar Jungle Me Circus Ke Shooting Chal Rahi Hote Hai Tab Us Me Circus Ka Sher Gayab Hojata Hai To Pure Staff Me Tension Hojati Hai Ke Bina Sher Ke Hamara Show To Jyada Nahi Chal Payega, Hamara Bahot Loss Hojayega Is Smasya Ka Smadhan Is Tarah Se Nikala Gaya Ke Lomdi (Fox) Ko Sher Ke Rang Ka Paint Mar Kar Usko Sher Bana Kar Logo Ke Samne Laya Gaya Is Tarah Se Circus Ka Show Ki Bhi Kub Sari Kamayi Huwi Aur Sher Ki Kami Bhi Puri Huwi Phir Is Bat Se Lomdi Ke Man Me Vichar Aya Are Yaha Par To Mujhe Bahot Samman Aur Adar Milta Hai Qyo Na Me Circus Se Bahar Jakar Jungle Me Bhi Sher Ban Kar Rehne Lagu Aur Bad Me Phir Wo Bhag Kar Jungle Me Rehne Lagi Aur Anya Dusre Janwaro Ko Darane Lagi Roz Unse Demands Karne Lagi Aur Is Prakar Se Wo Jungle Par “Raj” Karne Lagi,, Par Ek Din Khane Ke Bad Usko Bahot Pyas Lagi Usko Hichkiya Band Hone Ka Naam Nahi Le Rahi Thi Aur Pine Ka Pani Bhi Khatm Ho gaya Tha Sare Janwar Tension Me Agaye Ke Ab Na Jane Kya Hoga, “Fake” Sher Ki Halat Kafi Gambhir Hogayi Tab Sare Janwaro Ne Mil Kar Usko Kisi Tarah Se El Talab Ke Pass Legaye Waha Par Pahunch Kar Uska Muuh Pani Me Daal Diya…. Lolz…. Aur Uska Muun Pani Me Dalte He Uske Chehre Ka Rang Nikalne Lag Gaya Aur Sare Janwaro Ko Uski Asliyat Pata Chal Gayi Ke Wo “Fake Sher” Sher Na Hokar Asliyat Me Lomdi Hai. Aur Phir Lomdi Ke Sath Kya Huwa Yeh to Tum Sirf Kalpana He Kar Sakte Ho……. To Yaha Par Lomdi(Fox) Kon Hai Aur Uske Followers Kon Hai Is Bat Se Kuch Fark Nahi Padhta “Asliyat” Ek Na Ek Din Sab Ke Samne Akar He Rehti Hai.

        Apke Liye Ek Sher (Shayri Wala) Pesh Karta Hu…
        “Ke Sacchayi Chup Nahi Sakti Kabhi Banawat Ke Ususlo Se, Ke Khushbu Aa Nahi Sakti Kabhi Kagaz Ke Phoolon Se”

        Agey Wala Gadde Me Ja Raha Hai Yah Koi Kapde Utar Kar Nanga Nach Raha Hai To Kya Tum Bhi Waisa He Karne Lag Jaoge? Kahoge Ke Usne Kaha Ke Gadde Me Jane Se Sahi Rasta Milega Aur Kapde Utar Kar Nachne Se Zyada Paisa Milega Yeh Tark Dena Phir Uspar Tum.

        Humko Hamare Limit Pata Hai Jab Itne Muslim Vidvan Ali Sina Se Debate Me Nahi Jeet Pate Toh Hum Jaise Logo ki Unke Samne Kya Hasti Hai inshort Hum Abhi Tak Itne Dabangg Nahi Huye Hai Islamic Knowledge Me Par Jis Din Hojayege Us Din Kya Pata Wo Contest Hum He Jeet Jaye Abhi Uske Liye Bahot Time Hai. Aur Dusre Shabdo Me Kaha Jaye to Dr. Ali sina ko Terrorist & Rich Politicians ka Full Support Hai To Uske Against Directly Koi Bole To Wo Bolne Wala Bhi Mushkil Me Padsakta Hai Aur Hum To Middle Class Family Se Belong Karte Hai To Iska Sidha Arth Yeh Hoga Ke Apne Kal Ko Amantran Dena.

      • ye isliye hai ki un logon ne khuda or uske rasool ki mukhalif ki or jo shakhs kuda or uske rasool ki mukhalfat karega to yaad rahe ki khuda bada sakht azaab karne wala hai.,(QURAN 8/13)

      • @gulzar_ansari:

        Jihad ka artha hai gair Muslimo se ladna jo Muhammad ko paigamber nahi mante. Aur Jihad ka Inaam hoga 80000 nokar aur 72 sunder kanya sex karne ke liye. Qyo na Muslim Jihad kare?

        Read the Hadith

        The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]” (Sunan At-Tirmidhi, 4:21:2687)

      • mr abdu.,

        aapki ye jhoonthi baatein aapse gunaah karwa rahi hain., shaitan aap par poori tarah se haavi hai.,

        gour karke dekhiye aap khud ko kya aap kisi ko bura kahna chahte honge .,.,nahin., magar aap kah rahe hain., kyonki shaitan aapse apna kaam karwa raha hai., shaitan ko hasil hai ki wo insaan ke koon me rama ho sakta hai., lekin insan agar khud se jaddo jahad yani jihaad kare to us ke behkawe me nahin aa sakta.,

        jihad ka asli matlab hai khud ki buraiyo se ladna., khud se jiddo jahad karna., isko bada wala jihaad yani jihade asgar kaha gya hai., or jung ke douran apne dushman se ladne ko chhota jihad kaha gaya hai.,

      • @Gulzar
        Tum Mujhe Saudi ki Sachi Aulad lagte ho ! Jehad karo, jehad
        1 Muslamman 2 Issa-iyo ya Hinduo ke brabar hai Quran 8/66.

      • Wahi eeman, by hook or crook convert karne ki izaajat dethi hai tu kis eeman ki bat kartha hai…
        Ek choti si takleef hai ye kaisi pareeksha aur kyon?
        0. God has no image/form but he created human in his image? [Confused?]
        1. Different for everyone but we all start at same point, some die before starting itself.
        2. ~100 Years of test, if failed > trillions of years torture.. God must be Psycho
        3. Even after death sensual pleasures (heaven) and pains (hell)..
        4. The most important question of test is “Will you worship ME or not”. God must be Egoistic (As old testament agrees)
        5. Kahi acche hindu (any other incl. atheist) family me paida hone ka kya kusur ki wo marneke baad trillions of years ke liye torture kiya jayega. God must be Crazy..
        6. Why not kill Saitan once for all? Why God keeps him alive? Did god create him? Is he more powerful that God? For love humanity why not finish saitan once for all?

      • Hindi please… i will try to give u all ur anwer … agar aap hindi me sawal kar sake to..

      • @Shiva
        I was also an ignorant Muslim. When I read the Quran I had had to make a choice. The choice was to become a terrorist or to leave Islam. Many Muslims leave Islam after they learn the truth about it but the vast majority don’t. Instead they become radicalized. I was an intellectual but more importantly I had a very developed sense of conscience. I am essentially a good human being. I felt the pain of other even of animals from childhood. When I read the Quran my conscience overcame my faith. It took me two years but eventually I admitted that Islam is not from God and I must leave it. For this to happen one must have spiritual maturity. Most average people do not possess that. Those who leave Islam are the exception, the highly evolved souls. As the rule, the majority of Muslims become radicalized after reading their sacred book and learning about the life of their prophet.

        Bees are attracted to flower and flies to dung. Good souls get disgusted by Islam after learning the truth about it and evil souls gravitate to it.