‘वेदों में गोमांस? ‘ प्रथम भाग में हम ने वेदों पर लगाए गए गोमांसाहार और पशुबलि के आरोपों की गहराई से जाँच की और पर्याप्त प्रमाणों से यह बताया कि-

१. वेद पशुओं और निर्दोष प्राणियों की हिंसा के सख्त खिलाफ हैं.

२. वेद में यज्ञ की परिभाषा ही अहिंसा से होने वाला अनुष्ठान है और वैदिक मूल्य पशु बलि के सख्त खिलाफ हैं.

३. गोमांसाहार के विपरीत, वेद गाय की रक्षा करने और उसके हत्यारों को अत्यंत कठोर सज़ा देने के निर्देश देते हैं.

इस लेख के प्रकाशन के बाद वेदों को बदनाम करने की मुहिम पर लगाम लगी है. इसके प्रमाणों के प्रतिवाद में आज तक कोई संतोषकारी जवाब नहीं मिला.फिर भी कुछ लोग छुट- पुट आरोप लगाते रहते हैं. अपने पक्ष में यह लोग अज्ञानी और वेदों के अनुवाद में अक्षम पाश्चात्य लोगों के वैदिक साहित्य के अनुवादों से अपमानजनक और बेहूदे अवतरणों को लेकर प्रस्तुत करते रहते हैं.

यहाँ हम ऐसे ही कुछ आरोपों का जवाब देंगे ताकि आगे भी कोई गुमराह न कर सके. अधिक जानकारी के लिए लेख के प्रथम भाग में दी गयी सन्दर्भों की सूची देखें.


उत्तर :
यज्ञ शब्द ‘यज’ धातु  में ‘ नड्. प्रत्यय जोड कर बनता है. यज धातु के तीन अर्थ होते है – १. देव पूजा – आस- पास के सभी भूतों (पदार्थों) का जतन करना और यथायोग्य उपयोग लेना, ईश्वर की पूजा, माता-पिता का सम्मान, पर्यावरण को साफ़ रखना इत्यादि इस के कुछ उदाहरण हैं. २. दान. ३. संगतिकरण (एकता). वेदों के अनुसार इन में मनुष्यों के सभी कर्तव्य आ जाते हैं. इसलिए सिर्फ वेद ही नहीं बल्कि प्राचीन सारे भारतीय ग्रन्थ यज्ञ की महिमा गाते हैं.
आरोप १ : वेद में यज्ञों का बहुत गुणगान किया गया है. और यज्ञों में पशु बलि दी जाती थी, यह सभी जानते हैं. 

मुख्य बात यह है कि यज्ञ में पशु हिंसा का कहीं कोई प्रमाण नहीं मिलता. वैदिक कोष- निरुक्त २.७यज्ञ को अध्वरकहता है अर्थात हिंसा से रहित (ध्वर=हिंसा). पशु हिंसा हीक्या, यज्ञ में तो शरीर, मन, वाणी से भी की जाने वाली किसी हिंसा के लिएस्थान नहीं है. वेदों के अनेक मन्त्र यज्ञ के लिए अध्वर शब्द का प्रयोग करते हैं. उदा. ऋग्वेद – १.१.४, १.१.८, १.१४.२१, १.१२८.४, १.१९.१, अथर्ववेद- ४.२४.३, १८.२.२, १.४.२, ५.१२.२, १९.४२.४. यजुर्वेद के लगभग ४३मन्त्रों में यज्ञ के लिए अध्वर शब्द आया है. यजुर्वेद ३६.१८ तो कहता है कि ” मैं सभी प्राणियों- सर्वाणि भूतानि (केवल मनुष्यों को नहीं बल्कि जीव मात्र) को मित्र की दृष्टि से देखूं.” इस से पता चलता है कि वेद कहीं भी पशु हिंसा का समर्थन नहीं करता बल्कि उसका निषेध करता है.

भारतवर्ष के मध्य काल में वैदिक मूल्यों का पतन होने के कारण पशु हिंसा चला दी गई. इस का दोष वेदों को नहीं दिया जा सकता. जैसे, आज कई फ़िल्मी सितारे और मॉडल्स मुस्लिम हैं जो फूहड़ता और अश्लीलता परोसते हैं – इस से कुरान अश्लीलता की समर्थक कही जाएगी? इसी तरह, ईसाई देशों में विवाह पूर्व सम्बन्ध और व्याभिचार का बोलबाला है – तो बाइबिल को इस का आधार कहा जायेगा? हमारी चुनौती है उन सब को – जो यज्ञों में पशु बलि बताते हैं कि वे इस का एक भी प्रमाण वेदों से निकाल कर दिखाएँ.

आरोप : यदि ऐसा ही है तो वेदों में आए – अश्वमेध, नरमेध, अजमेध, गोमेध क्याहैं ? ‘मेधका मतलब है – ‘ मारना‘, यहाँ तक कि वेद तो नरमेध की बात भीकरते हैं?

उत्तर: इस लेख के प्रथम भाग में हम चर्चा कर चुके हैं कि ‘ मेध’ शब्द का अर्थ –  ‘ हिंसा’ ही नहीं है. ‘मेध’ शब्द- बुद्धि पूर्वक कार्य करने को प्रकट करता है. मेध- ‘ मेधृ – सं – ग – मे’ से बना है. इसलिए, इस का अर्थ –  मिलाप करना, सशक्त करना या पोषित करना भी है. (देखें – धातु पाठ)

जबयज्ञ को अध्वर अर्थात हिंसा रहितकहा गया है, तो उस के सन्दर्भ में मेधका अर्थ हिंसा क्यों लिया जाये? बुद्धिमान व्यक्ति मेधावीकहे जातेहैं और इसी तरह, लड़कियों का नाम मेधा, सुमेधा इत्यादि रखा जाता है. तो येनाम क्या उनके हिंसक होने के कारण रखे जाते हैं या बुद्धिमान होने के कारण ?

शतपथ १३.१.६.३ और १३.२.२.३ स्पष्ट कहता है कि – राष्ट्र के गौरव, कल्याण और विकास के लिए किये जाने वाले कार्य ‘अश्वमेध’ हैं. शिवाजी, राणा प्रताप, राम प्रसाद बिस्मिल, अशफाक, चन्द्र शेखर आजाद, भगत सिंह आदि हमारे महान देश भक्त, क्रांतिकारी वीरों ने राष्ट्र रक्षा के लिए अपने जीवन आहूत करके अश्वमेध यज्ञ ही किया था.

अन्न को दूषित होने से बचाना, अपनी इन्द्रियों को वश में रखना, सूर्य कीकिरणों से उचित उपयोग लेना, धरती को पवित्र या साफ़ रखना –गोमेधयज्ञ है. ‘ गो’ शब्द का एक अर्थ – ‘ पृथ्वी’  भी है. पृथ्वी और उसके पर्यावरण को स्वच्छ रखना ‘गोमेध’ है. (देखें – निघण्टू १.१, शतपथ १३.१५.३)

मनुष्य की मृत्यु के बाद, उसके शरीर का वैदिक रीति से दाह संस्कार करना –नरमेध यज्ञ है. मनुष्यों को उत्तम कार्यों के लिए प्रशिक्षित एवं संगठित करना भी नरमेध या पुरुषमेध या नृमेध यज्ञ कहलाता है.

अजकहते हैं – बीज या अनाज या धान्य को. इसलिए, कृषि की पैदावार बढ़ाना –अजमेध. सीमित अर्थों में – अग्निहोत्र में धान्य से आहुति देना. (देखें-महाभारत शांतिपर्व ३३७.४-५)

विष्णु शर्मा, सुप्रसिद्ध पचतंत्र (काकोलूकीयम्) में कहते हैं कि – जो लोग यज्ञ में हिंसा करते हैं, वे मूर्ख हैं. क्योंकि वे वेद के वास्तविक अर्थ को नहीं समझते. यदि पशुओ को मार कर स्वर्ग में जा सकते हैं, तो फ़िर नरकमें जाने का मार्ग कौन-सा है? महाभारतशांतिपर्व (२६३.६, २६५.९) के अनुसार – यज्ञ में शराब, मछली, मांस को चलानेवाले लोग धूर्त, नास्तिक और शास्त्र ज्ञान से रहित हैं. 

आरोप ३  : यजुर्वेद मन्त्र २४.२९ – हस्तिन आलम्भते ‘ – हाथियों को मारने के लिए कहता है?

उत्तर: ‘लभ्’ धातु से बनने वाला आलम्भ मारना अर्थ नहीं रखता. लभ् = अर्जित करना या पाना. हालाँकि ‘ हस्तिन’ शब्द का ‘हाथी’ से आलावा और गहन अर्थ भी निकलता है, तब भी यदि हम इस मंत्र में ‘हाथी’ अर्थ लें, तो इससे यही पता चलता है कि, राजा को अपने राज्य के विकास हेतु हाथिओं को प्राप्त करना चाहिए या अर्जित करना चाहिए. भला इसमें हिंसा कहाँ है?

आलम्भशब्द अनेकों स्थानों पर अर्जित करने या प्राप्त करने के लिए आयाहै. उदा. मनुस्मृति ब्रह्मचारियों के लिए स्त्रियों को पाने का निषेध करतेहुए कहती है: वर्जयेत स्त्रीनाम आलम्भं‘. अतः आलम्भते का अर्थ मारनापूर्णत: गलत है. जिन लोगों की जीभ को मांस खाने की लत पड़ गई है उन्हें पशुओं का उपयोग – ‘खाना’ ही समझ में आता है और इसलिए वेद मन्त्रों में ‘आलम्भते’ मतलब मारना, उन्होंने अपने मन से गढ़ लिया.

आरोप ४ : ब्राह्मण ग्रंथों और श्रौत सूत्रों में संज्ञपन शब्द आया है, जिसका मतलब बलिदान है ?

उत्तर: अथर्ववेद  ६.७४.१-२  कहता है कि हम अपने मन, शरीर और हृदयों का ‘ संज्ञपन ‘ करें. तो क्या इस से यह समझा जाये कि हम स्वयं को मार दें ! संज्ञपन का वास्तविक अर्थ है – ‘मेल करना या पोषण करना’. मन्त्र का अर्थ है – हम अपने मन, शरीर और हृदयों को बलवान बनाएं जिससे वे एक साथ मिलकर काम करें. संज्ञपन का एक अर्थ – ‘जताना ‘ भी होता है.

आरोप ५ : यजुर्वेद २५. ३४-३५ और ऋग्वेद १.१६२.११-१२ में घोड़े की बलि का स्पष्ट वर्णन है –

अग्नि से पकाए, मरे हुए तेरे अवयवों से जो मांस- रस उठताहै वह वह भूमि या घास पर न गिरे, वह चाहते हुए देवों को प्राप्त हो.” ” जोघोड़े को अग्नि में पका हुआ देखते हैं और जो कहते हैं कि इस मरे हुए घोड़ेसे बड़ी अच्छी गंध आ रही है तथा जो घोड़े के मांस की लालसा करते हैं, उनकाउद्यम हमें प्राप्त हो.”

उत्तर:  पता चल रहा है कि आपने ग्रिफिथ की नक़ल की है. पहले मन्त्र का घोड़े से कोई वास्ता नहींहै. वहां सिर्फ यह कहा गया है कि ज्वर या बुखार से पीड़ित मनुष्य को वैद्यलोग उपचार प्रदान करें.  दूसरे मन्त्र में ‘वाजिनम्’ को घोड़ा समझा गया है. वाजिनम् का अर्थ है  – शूर \ बलवान \ गतिशील \ तेज. इसीलिए घोड़ा वाजिनम् कहलाता है. इस मन्त्र के अनेक अर्थ हो सकते हैं पर कहीं से भी घोड़े की बलि का अर्थ नहीं निकलता. 

यदि वाजिनम् का अर्थ घोड़ा ही लिया जाये तब भी अर्थ होगा कि – घोड़ों ( वाजिनम् ) को मारने से रोका जाये. इन मन्त्रों के सही अर्थ जानने के लिए कृपया ऋषि दयानंद का भाष्य पढ़ें. साथ ही, पशु हिंसा निषेध और पशु हत्यारे खासकर गाय और घोड़े के हत्यारों के लिए कठोर दंड के मन्त्रों को जानने के लिए प्रथम लेख – वेदों में गोमांस? पढ़ें.

आरोप ६  : वेदों में गोघ्नया गायों के वध के संदर्भ हैं और गाय का मांस परोसने वाले को अतिथिग्वा अतिथिग्ना कहा गया है.आप इन्हें कैसे स्पष्ट करेंगे

उत्तर: लेख के प्रथम भाग में हम पर्याप्त सबूत दे चुके हैं कि वेदों में गाय को अघन्या या अदिती – अर्थात् कभी न मारने योग्य कहा गया है और गोहत्यारे के लिए अत्यंत कठोर दण्ड के विधान को भी दिखा चुके हैं. ‘गम्’ धातु का अर्थ है – ‘जाना’. इसलिए गतिशील होने के कारण ग्रहों को भी ‘गो’ कहते हैं. अतिथिग्वा \ अतिथिग्ना का अर्थ अतिथियों की तरफ़ या अतिथियों की सेवा के लिए जाने वाले है.

गोघ्नके अनेक अर्थ होते हैं. यदि गोसे मतलब गाय लिया जाए तब भी गो+ हन् ‘ = गाय के पास जाना, ऐसा अर्थ होगा. हन्धातु का अर्थ -हिंसा के अलावा गति,ज्ञानइत्यादि भी होते हैं. वेदों के कई उदाहरणों से पता चलता है कि ‘हन्’ का प्रयोग किसी के निकट जाने या पास पहुंचने के लिए भी किया जाता है. उदा. अथर्ववेद ‘हन् ‘ का प्रयोग करते हुए पति को पत्नी के पास जाने का उपदेश देता है. इसलिए, इन दावों में कोई दम नहीं है.

आरोप ७ : वेद जवान गायों को मारने केलिए नहीं कहते पर बूढ़ी, बाँझ (वशा ‘) गाय को मारने की आज्ञा देते हैं.इसी तरह, ‘ उक्षा या बैल को मारने की आज्ञा भी है. 

उत्तर:   इस मनघडंत कहानी के आधुनिक प्रचारक डी.एन झा हैं. वह गौ- मांस भक्षण के अपने दावे को वेदों से दिखाने में सफल न हो सके. क्योंकि वेदों में इस के बिलकुल विपरीत बात ही कही गयी है और गौ हत्या का सख्त निषेध मौजूद है. इसलिए इस के बचाव में उन्होंने लाल बुझक्कड़ी  कल्पना का सहारा लिया.

दरअसल उक्षा एक औषधीय पौधा है, जिसे सोम भी कहते हैं. यहाँ तककि मोनिअर विलियम्स भी अपने संस्कृत – इंग्लिश कोष में उक्षा का यही अर्थ करते हैं. ‘वशा’ का अर्थ ईश्वर की संसार को ‘ वश ‘ में रखने वाली शक्ति है. यदि ‘ वशा ‘ का मतलब बाँझ गाय कर लिया जाए तो कई वेद मन्त्र अपने अर्थ खो देंगे.

उदा. अथर्ववेद १०.१०.४ – यहाँ ‘ वशा ‘ के साथ सहस्र धारा( सहस्रों पदार्थों को धारण करने वाली ) का प्रयोग हुआ है. अन्न, दूध और जल की प्रचुरता दर्शाने वाली सहस्र धारा के साथ एक बाँझ गाय की तुलना कैसे हो सकती है? ऋग्वेद  १०.१९०.२  मेंईश्वर की नियामक शक्ति को वशी कहा गया है और प्रतिदिन दो बार की जानेवाली वैदिक संध्या में इस मन्त्र को बोला जाता है. 

अथर्ववेद २०.१०३.१५ संतान सहित उत्तमपत्नी को वशा कहता है. अन्य कुछ मन्त्रों में वशाशब्द उपजाऊ जमीनया औषधीय पौधे के लिए भी आया है. मोनिअर विलियम्स के कोष में भी ‘वशा’ औषधीय पौधे के सन्दर्भ में प्रयुक्त हुआ है.

इन लोगों ने किस आधार पर वशा का अर्थ बाँझ‘ किया है, यह समझ से परे है.

आरोप ८ : बृहदारण्यक उपनिषद  ६.४.१८के अनुसार उत्तम संतान चाहने वाले दंपत्ति को चावल में मांस मिलाकर खानाचाहिए, साथ ही बैल (अर्षभ) और बछड़े (उक्षा) के मांस का सेवन भी करनाचाहिए. 

उत्तर:  वेदों से थककर अब उपनिषदों पर आ गए. पर यदि कोई उपनिषदों में गोमांसाहार दिखा भी दे, तब भी इस से वेदों में गोमांस सिद्ध नहीं हो जाता.

१.हिन्दुओं के सभी धार्मिक ग्रन्थ वेदों को ही अपना आदि स्रोत मानते हैं. इसलिए हिन्दू धर्म में वेदों का प्रमाण ही सर्वोच्च है. पूर्व मीमांसा  १.३.३, मनुस्मृति २.१३, १२.९५, जाबालस्मृति, भविष्य पुराण इत्यादि के अनुसार वेद और अन्य ग्रंथों में मतभेद होने पर वेदों को ही सही माना जाए.

२.बृहदारण्यकोपनिषत् पर किया गया यह बेहूदा आरोप दरअसल गलत समझ का नतीजा है.

३.पहले ‘मांसौदनम्’ को लें –

यहाँ इस श्लोक से पूर्व ४ ऐसे श्लोक हैं, जिनमें बच्चों में विविध वैदिक ज्ञान पाने के लिए चावल को विशिष्ट खाद्य पदार्थों के साथ खाने के लिए कहा है. मांसोदनं के अलावा जो अन्य विशिष्ट खाद्य पदार्थ बताये गए हैं वे हैं: क्षीरोदनं (चावल के साथ दूध), दध्योदनं (चावल के साथ दही), चावल के साथ पानी और चावल के साथ तिल (दलहन). ये सब इतर वेदों में निपुणता प्राप्त करने के लिए बताये गए हैं. इस श्लोक में केवल अर्थववेद में निपुणता प्राप्त करने के लिए मांसोदनं (चावल के साथ मांस) का उल्लेख है. यहीं इस सन्दर्भ में असंगति साफ़ दिखाई देती है.

४. सच तो यह है कि वहां शब्द – माषौदनम्है, ‘मांसौदनम्नहीं. माषएक तरह की दाल है. इसलिए यहाँ मांस का तो प्रश्न ही नहींउठता. आयुर्वेद गर्भवती स्त्रियों के लिए मांसाहार को सख्त मना करता है औरउत्तम संतान पाने के लिए माषसेवन को हितकारी कहता है ( देखें -सुश्रुतसंहिता). इससे ये साफ़ है कि बृहदारण्यक भी वैसा ही मानता है जैसा सुश्रुत में है. इन दोनों में केवल माष और मांस का ही फर्क होने का कोई कारण नहीं.

५.फिर भी अगर कोई माष को मांस ही कहना चाहे, तब भी मांस तो गूदे‘ ( pulp) को भी कहते हैं सिर्फ गोश्त (meat) को ही नहीं.प्राचीन ग्रंथों में मांस अर्थात गूदा के ढेरों प्रमाण मिलते हैं – चरकसंहिता देखें, वहां शब्द हैं – आम्रमांसं = आम का गूदा,खजूरमांसं = खजूर कागूदा. तैत्तरीय संहिता २.३२.८ – दही, शहद और धान को मांस कहता है.

६. मोनिअर विलियम्स का कोष उक्षा अर्थात सोम और ऋषभ (जिससे अर्षभ शब्द बना) दोनों को औषधीय पौधा बताता है. ऋषभ का वैज्ञानिक नाम Carpopogan pruriens है. चरक संहिता १.४-१३, सुश्रुत संहिता ३.८ और भावप्रकाश पूर्ण खंड भी यही कहते हैं.

७. अर्षभ (ऋषभ) और उक्षा दोनों का अर्थ बैल है और बछड़ा नहीं. तो एक ही बात बताने के लिए पर्यायवाची शब्दों का उपयोग क्यों किया जायेगा?  (यह कहना ऐसा ही है जैसे ये कहना कि, तुम या तो चावल खाओ या भात खाओ). स्पष्ट ही दोनों शब्दों के अर्थ अलग हैं. और क्योंकि अन्य सभी श्लोक जड़ी-बूटी और दलहनों का उल्लेख करते है, ये शब्द भी इसी ओर इंगित करते हैं.

आरोप ९ : महाभारत वन पर्व २०७ में राजा रन्तिदेव के यज्ञों में बड़ी संख्या में गायों के वध का वर्णन आता है.  

उत्तर: हम पहले ही स्पष्ट कर चुके हैं कि वेद और अन्य शास्त्रों में यदि कहीं विरोध हो तो वेद ही प्रामाणिक माने जायेंगे. महाभारत मिलावटों से इतना दूषित हो चुका है कि उसे प्रमाण मानना भी मुश्किल हो गया है. और महाराजा रन्तिदेव के महलों में गोहत्या के झूठे आरोप का खंडन दशकों पहले ही कई विद्वान कर चुके हैं.

१. महाभारत के अनुशासन पर्व ११५ में राजा रन्तिदेवका नाम कभी मांस न खाने वालों राजाओं में है. यदि उनके महल गोमांस से भरेरहते थे तो उनका नाम मांस न खाने वालों में कैसे आया

२. मांस का मतलब हमेशा मीट या गोश्त ही नहीं होता – यह भी सिद्ध हो चुका है.

३. जिस श्लोक में गोमांस का आरोप लगाया गया है – उस के अनुसार प्रतिदिन २००० गौएँ मारी जाती थी, इस हिसाब से एक वर्ष में ७,२०,००० से भी अधिक गौओं का वध होता था ? क्या ऐसे श्लोक पर यकीन करना बुद्धिसंगत है?

४. महाभारत का शांति पर्व २६२.४७ – गाय या बैल के हत्यारे को महापापी घोषित करता है. एक ही पुस्तक में यह विरोधाभास कैसे?

५.  दरअसल, इन श्लोकों को भ्रष्ट करने का श्रेय राहुल सांकृतायन जैसे महापंडित को है. वे अपनी वेद निंदा के लिए जाने जाते थे. उन्होंने महाभारत द्रोणपर्व ६७ के प्रथम दो श्लोकों से सिर्फ तीन पंक्तियों को ही उद्धृत किया और जानबूझ कर एक पंक्ति छोड़ दी. द्विशतसहस्र का अर्थ उन्होंने दोहजार किया है – जो कि गलत है. इस का सही अर्थ दो सौ हजार होता है. इस सेउनके संस्कृत ज्ञान के दर्शन हो जाते हैं. 

इन में से कोई भी पंक्ति गोमांस से सम्बन्ध नहींरखती और अगर जानबूझ कर छोड़ी गयी पंक्ति भी मिला दें तो अर्थ होगा कि राजारन्तिदेव के राज्य में उत्तम भोजन पकाने वाले २००,००० रसोइये थे जोप्रतिदिन अतिथियों और विद्वानों को बढ़िया खाना ( चावल, दालें, पकवान, मिठाई इत्यादि -शाकाहारी पदार्थ ) खिलाते थे. गोमांस परक अर्थ दिखाने केलिए अगले श्लोक के माष शब्द को बदल कर मांस किया गया है. 

६. महाभारत में ही, इस के विपरीत –  हिंसा और गोमांस का निषेध करने वाले सैंकड़ों श्लोक मौजूद हैं. साथ ही, महाभारत गाय के लाभ और उसके उपकार की अत्यंत प्रशंसा भी करता है.

७. मूर्ख लोगों ने बाध्यतेका अर्थ मारना कर दिया – जो कि संस्कृतकी किसी पुस्तक या व्याकरण या प्रयोग के अनुसार नहीं है. बाध्यतेका अर्थहै – नियंत्रित करना. 

अतः: राजा रन्तिदेव के यहाँ गायों का वध होता था  – यह कहीं से भी प्रमाणित नहीं होता. अंत में हम यही कहना चाहेंगे कि विश्व की महानतम पुस्तक वेद और अन्य वैदिक ग्रंथों पर लगाये गए ऐसे कपटपूर्ण आरोपों में अपनी मनमानी थोपने में नाकाम रहे इन बुद्धि भ्रष्ट लोगों की खिसियाहट साफ़ झलकती है.

ईश्वर सबको सद् बुद्धि प्रदान करे ताकि हम सब मिलकर वेदों की आज्ञा पर चलें और संसार को सुन्दर बनाएं. 

This translation has been contributed by Aryabala. The original post in English is available at http://agniveer.com/no-beef-in-vedas-part2/

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Aap krishan ko bhagwan nai mante par unone geeta ka updesh diya jo ki bahut kuch satya hai or marag darshni hai, Or apna diya roop dikhaya o saab kya tha , Kya ek aam inshaan aisa kar sakta hai, Kya app kar sakte ho

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ham koi chij maan kar nahi chalte hai , agar shri krishn ji ishvar hote to vah mahabaharat yuddh kyo nahi rok paye in ke saath ke vyaktiyo ne kab unko ishvar kahaa hai yah sab bate baad me failayi gayi hai ! virat rup ka arth kya hai virat… Read more »
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muslim rakshs che 2018 ma rammandir banse

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agniveer tum in logo ko batao to arya egypt se aye the unhi logo ne dharm aur uske vard sab banaye.aur ek bat ye batao ki aryo me arbi bhasha ka itna bada gyata kaun ho gaya hai jo quran ki sahi ayto ka satiq vardan kar sake.mere pyare hindustani… Read more »
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Tell me what happen after death?

Give your view in the light of your religious book.

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A vain discussion……

Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni Why are u talking so stupidly? How it make difference who received first Brhama or Rishies. Veda do not force you to believe in all these things otherwise Allah will punish you eternally. Though, I think Brahma was the first man who learned Veda from Rishies. Our main motto… Read more »
anti-agni

@sanatani. why are you always in hurry to post the comment? read veda section of agniveer, he has written that first Brahma read veda and then taught to rishis is right and first rishi received then taught to Brahma also right. ie nothing is clear.

Slave of Prophet
Hey, Aryasamaji/Hindu/Cristian/Idol worshiper You are worst of people. My lord Allah will punish you in eternal hellfire for not worshiping him. Prophet came in 7th century to teach us how to live, how to worship Allah. But you people always abuse my prophet. You people can not escape from the… Read more »
anti-agni
@jay. it is proved that moolshanar has not used any authentic translation of Quran of any muslim scholar because you can’t name the translator. If moolshankar had used unauthorized translation of Quran without giving name of translator then why only Muslims are expected to use only aryasamadhis translation? islamhinduism never… Read more »
krishnarao
Anti-logic again you refuse to answer the question. Your boy refuses to debate mahendera pal arya. mahendera pal arya repeated requested to debate the retard that has pubes for a beard and he refuses. Instead he uses fake arya samaj guys that were kicked out of Arya samaj as his… Read more »
anti-agni
krishnirai, ZN is not my boy and he has said that i’ll debate with a person who can atract minimum 10000 peoples otherwise every tom dick can challenge him. aryasamaji refuse everything so no one can debate with aryasamadhi fools. you first read MP arya ko jawab at islamhinduism and… Read more »
krishnarao
anti-logic, there you go again with your utter nonsense. and I quote you, “minimum 10000 peoples otherwise every tom dick can challenge him” – This is total bullshit. THis is what you call a pussy running away. I’m sorry, but I don’t buy that fake excuse. naiks guru had already… Read more »
hinduagnostic

yes your right but i just wanted to show you the truth that abdullah tariq was not the guru of zakir naik just another speaker in the team of zakir naik annd peace tv

hinduagnostic

your right but abdullah tariq is not guru of zakir naik but just a speaker on peace tv zakir naik guru was ahmed deedat

krishnarao
Hi HInduagnostic, That might be the case, but at the end, my point still stands. mahendra pal arya has challenged the retard naik and has beaten a prominent speaker on retard naik’s tv show. And it has been shown that a false arya samaj guy fashioning himself as the president… Read more »
Jay Arya
hello anti agni i have aquestion for you did willam campell bring 10,000 people from his side? and we dont reject everything how many times do i have to tell you, why do you muslims keep repeating same lies all the time? and that islamhinduism website is nonsense you call… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma

@Anti-Agni
______________aryasamaji refuse everything so no one can debate with aryasamadhi fools_________
Are u fool? Who told you Veda follower refuse everything? They have their own ideology based on Veda.
Why not u read their article
Lets truly enjoy! – Ishopanishad Mantra 1
http://agniveer.com/ishopanishad-mantra-1/

Sanatan Dharma

@Anti-Agni
________you first read MP arya ko jawab at islamhinduism_________
This is fraud websites. They have banned me many times at least 20 times. That is the problemwith Muslims when they fail to answer logically they ban who counter their frauds.

anti-agni
@jay. i already told you that aryasamadhi is a cult or group of peoples who are working against Muslims in India so i am against them. all sin is an Iranian Christian and i have nothing to do with him but aryasamadhis copy in wholesale from ff and all sin.org.… Read more »
Jay Arya
arya samaj grew because of you muslims and christians because you were spreading hatred and lies and most hindus were not doing anything about it just like now when zakir naik,peace tv and other muslim preachers are spreading lies about hinduism and other beliefs, arya samaj has done more for… Read more »
aditya
@ Anti-Agni, You said ” regarding Vedic society is to show that veda can’t be practical solution” Well Prove it then. But remember Islam is the worst creation of Man. 1)Allah rewards his followers with 72 virgins in Heaven , Is he running a brothel? Then what about women ?… Read more »
anti-agni
@aditya. you are no less than your aryasamadhis fellow in foolishness. i have asked you to show any Vedic society which was based on Vedic principles and you were unable to show so it was proved that no society can be based on veda. in my first comment i have… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@Anti-Agni _________show any Vedic society which was based on Vedic principles_________ Every society more or less follower of Veda. Even Muslim society are follower of Veda. for Example In Muslim Society 1. Marrying with real sister not allowed in Muslims (This is based on Veda) 2. In Muslim Society God… Read more »
aditya
What is a vedic Society? A vedic society is a society which gives freedom to think and act as long as it is immoral. It is a society which does not impose anything on you .It does not punish you if you are different in your ideas. It is a… Read more »
aditya

Sorry Typo error. in the first line. iT SHOULD BE “AS LONG IT IS NOT IMMORAL”

Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni _____________what about Quran’s translation used in satyarthprakaah_________ Firstly, why are u mad for Satyarth Parkash? In this age we have much better Islamic scholar like Ali Sina who has greater knowledge about Islam even than Maharishi Dayanand & all contemporary people. We can visit alisina and faithfreedom etc. Reading… Read more »
anti-agni

@sanatani, what a foolish reply..hahahah

hatemongers have double standards, ask translators of veda from islamhinduism and ZN and helpless to identify translator for samhullash 14.

krishnarao

anti-agni = anti-reason

krishnarao

Anti-reason = anti-agni

krishnarao

Anti-logic answer a simple question: Why has your boy, foolio naik, refust to debate mahendera pal arya even when mahendera pal arya asked to debate him since 2004? Why is your boy so scared?

krishnarao

anti-agni = anti-logic

krishnarao

Anti-logic = anti-agni

krishnarao

Vedic scholar’s response to naik’s guru’s claims. Also the Vedic scholar has openly challenged naik since 2004 and there has not been a peep from naik. He keeps running away. Please see the video and it has been translated into English for everyone to read:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqeZMJyILCs

anti-agni

@krishna rao and aditya, who is ved nindak?

arysamji reject everything when debated so debating with aryasamadis will be fruitless .

Sanatan Dharma

@Anti-Agni
_____who is ved nindak___
The people are against humanity are Ved Nindak. First you should know what is Veda? Veda are eternal & universal truths. If something is not true, eternal & universal is not Veda.

Jay Arya

i have a question is mahendera pal arya a scholor or just a vedic preacher? i thought he was a vedic preacher thats it

krishnarao

Hi Jay Arya, You might be right. He might just be a Vedic preacher, but he is very knowledgeable about the Vedas and other religions as well. Lots of respect to the man. He totally crushed the guru of Naik in a debate.

Jay Arya
i think your mistaken hindu dont see the animals as god but see god in them hindu believe god is everywhere and i told you ali sina isnt a prophet santana dharma is being sarcastic he is trying to make you see reality on how can you believe an arab… Read more »
anti-agni
@sanatani. i have seen your comments at all-sin you seem to be so pathetic even all sin replied that i am not Hindus prophet, hindu believe every donkey monkey as their god. it is not good to be Indian god. hahaha aminriadh, ali, rainbow constantly challenging him to show the… Read more »
aditya
Well Anti-Agni, I asked you a question and you seem to be cornered. You said that you use the translation of a “A fellow Hindu Pundit”. I asked you what book and Author Name and you did not reply . Do you think we are fools like muslims who beleive… Read more »
anti-agni
@aditya. Can you show me where i have used any translation? i never give any example from veda because still it is not clear what is veda? i have seen at islamhinduim site that they give reference and translator name. i am not cornered you are cornered because you haven’t… Read more »
Jay Arya
islamhinduism are fantics they make stupid claims they cant prove like zakir naik they still havent approved my comment and when did we say newton got gravity from vedas? newton was not even the first to talk about gravity and you say you are here because arya samaj spread hatred… Read more »
aditya
If you don’t know what is veda , You either know about it and then debate people here or don’t come here. You don’t know what veda is and You are against Arya Samaj. It is a waste arguing with you. Read the vedas and come here. And that’s the… Read more »
anti-agni
@ankur, sorry that q was directed to aditya. @aditya. you haven’t given all answers regarding satyarth prakash and English translation. My motive behind asking the question regarding Vedic society is to show that veda can’t be practical solution . when anyone ask regarding veda and give reference from those four… Read more »
anti-agni
@ankur, any person believing in puranas can’t be aryasamaji so you are not aryasamaji. can you tell us which translator’s translation of quran dayananda had used in satyarth prakash samhullash 14(please dont say that i have nothing to do with satyarth prakash or dayanda as all aryasamaji rejects everything while… Read more »
Jay Arya

i told you dayanand saraswatis translation was similar to islamic scholors like yusuf ali and pickthall only some references were incorrect but the verses exist in the quran as for translation of vedas i answered you but you dont seem to read to my comments?

Ankur
@Anti-agni : where does Purana come into picture? what does me being an aryasamji or not have to do with anything? One of the accepted translations of the vedas is available in the agniveer store. besides why do i need a specific translation in English when i can read the… Read more »
pran

@anti agni
why don’t you use Mr.Ali Sina’s name correctly?

Ankur

The curx of the matter is not the rip apart an individuals arguments, the point is ISLAM theology should be defensible , rest all individual discourses are immaterial.

Sanatan Dharma
@Ankur/Anti-Agni Islamic theology is indefensible. When I asked to Anti-Agni Islam and Quran not from Allah because an eternal, perfect, unchangeable & universal entity (Allah) teachings must be eternal, perfect, unchangeable and universal but Quran does not stand before these conditions. Anti-Agni gets silent and tries to deviate the topic… Read more »
aditya
Yeah ! That is islam style ,change the topic when you are being defeated .Same here I asked him what translation of vedas Muslims and ZN use and he replied that “A translation from your fellow hindu Pundit ” and I asked him which book and who was the author… Read more »
Jay Arya
I agree i have realised muslims in debates speak loud and harshly when they cant answer they change topic and they also many times they agree with what quran says but then they try to deviate and say your book also says the same thing you call that refuting? but… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@Anti-Agni Have you not read, Ali Sina said Hindu are more advanced in their mental evolution than Muslims. Ali Sina words “You are a follower of Muhammad. You\’ll do anything that he said. You don\’t have an opinion contrary to his. You don\’t think for your own and if any… Read more »
Albert
CLERIC’S OPINION MUSLIM CLERIC LIKENS WOMEN TO UNCOVERED MEAT .Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation’s most senior Muslim cleric, compared unveiled women with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats. In a Ramadan sermon in a Sydney mosque, Sheik al-Hilali suggested that a… Read more »
quran is protected

@sanatani, can alu sin not write wrong statements on his web? who is Mr. bhatti? why you believe everything from alusin? you claim that you anaylyse everything and reject falsehood but why you are unable to analyse alu sin’s posts? why are you blind follower of alusin?

Sanatan Dharma
@Anti Agni/Quran is not from Allah because an eternal, perfect, unchangeable & universal entity (Allah) teachings must be eternal, perfect, unchangeable and universal but Quran does not stand before these conditions. _________can alu sin not write wrong statements on his web_________ No, he can not write wrong statement. ______why you… Read more »
anti-agni
@sanatani. Many peoples debating with alu sin on his website and as far as i know he defend Christianism and you blindly copy him .many persons refuting him daily and you are saying he is irrefutable????? if someone not accepting the view then how could you say that he is… Read more »
Jay Arya
hello anti agni first of all there is no science in quran any science you claim is not revealed scuience but stolen science if there is any and there no muslin debating with ali sina most of the people on the site are anti islam people and he isnt defending… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni ____________i also invite you to accept islam.__________ But Islam and Quran are not from Allah because an eternal, perfect, unchangeable & universal entity (Allah) teachings must be eternal, perfect, unchangeable and universal but Quran does not stand before these conditions. What is the problem you have in understanding of… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@Anti-Agni ___________how can you scientifically prove the existence of God Almighty____________ Only Vedic religion teach us science how to realize God. In Vedic religion concept of god realization inclusive while in Islam this is exclusive. This comment will clarify it more clearly “The difference is, the abrhamic view is exclusive… Read more »
anti-agni
How can you scientifically prove the existence of God Almighty? By Dr.Zakir The brother has posed a question, how can you scientifically prove the existence of God Almighty, the existence of Allah (SWT) to especially to an Atheist, who does not believe in God. The first thing I will do… Read more »
euro-diamond

Hello, I just wanted to take some time today to make a comment and say I have really enjoyed reading your blog. Thanks for all your work!

quran is protected
@krishna rao, you peoples can never understand simple things which a school going kid can understand. where i said that agniveer is saying i have debated with ZN? i wanted to say as agniveer comments on ZN articles or speeches in same way alu sin vs qadri sb’s debate is… Read more »
aditya
Dude!! See, even if Zn debated , he would be defeated badly. Just see this video ,Zakir Naik Guru Abdullah Thariq was defeated badly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zIujH5R9m0 Moreover you muslims are so stupid to believe what ZN says about Vedas. I can see a lot of misinterpretations of vedas by muslims.My point… Read more »
anti-agni
@aditya. can. you show me any translation of veda done by vedic pathshala student which is accepted by 100% Hindus and Muslim scholars using different translations? We are using translation done by ur fellow Hindus and aryasamaj is neither in majority nor it is oldest sect of Hindus . even… Read more »
Jay Arya
first understand arya samaj accept all books if it dont go against vedas or dont seem true eg we accept manusmriti and like swami dayand saraswati calculated the age of the universe using the puranas but we still believe it has been changed just like in upanishads and puranas we… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma

@anti-agni
Do you know What is Veda?

aditya
Sorry!! Do you know the meaning of dead Language ?? Sanskrit has 14,000 native speakers + many families in many Cities and Towns converse in Sanskrit. I speak sanskrit and there are more than 500 families in Chennai which speak sanskrit. Just say you don’t know the meaning of vedas.… Read more »
anti-agni
@aditya. you haven’t identfied any veda translation which is accepted by 100% Hindus???? aryasamadhis who claim to be real sanatani believe that puranas and upanishads are corrupted so your source of embryology is not authentic. whenever anyone write any translation of veda he give its source. your claim of upanishad… Read more »
aditya
Arya Samajis Reject the puranas and Upanishads as long as they contradict the vedas and There is nothing wrong with It. And speaking of Garbha Upanishad, Do you know what a upanishad is ? It means upa- (nearby), ni- (at the proper place, down) and ṣad (to sit) thus: “sitting… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@fAIZI/ANTI-AGNI/FOLLOWER OF time bound book (Quran) Can I know why do you think Ali Sina is not true prophet of Islam? When Prophet Ali Sina was invited to Mubahila by Bhatti to find out the truth. Prophet Ali Sina accepted his invitation and come out to be true. Is it… Read more »
anti-agni

@sanatano. you can post his comments but can’t understand rebuttal? if you have nothing to do with him then why you have posted his comments here.

Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni I have full faith in Islamic Prophet Ali Sina. He is greatest prophet of Islam ever born. He has much greater understanding on Quran and Hadiths even than Mohammed. Mohammad had short term memory. That is why there are many contradiction in Quran. Mohammed was not aware what he… Read more »
krishnarao

Anti-logic, you are such a fool. Clearly you have problems when you follow a religion that supports this:

Strange story of the cow in your book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iPFN9l3Us

Yup, you have to be a fool to believe this.

ONly people who close their mind can believe in such a stupid story. LMAF

Jay Arya
that shankacharya and roshanlal arya who zakir naik brought to his conference were not even arya samaj or shankacharya and the guy who zakir claimed to be president of arya samaj when really there is no president of arya samaj he is a fraud claiming to be arya samaj just… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni ___________so i am showing you how he is making you fool________ Why not post at http://alisina.org/ your disagreements with him. I can see there also. It will be interesting how Ali Sina and his fans react and respond on your comments. You can win 100000 USD dollars also if… Read more »
anti-agni

@sanatani. because you are posting alusin’s comments over here and very much impressed by him. so i am showing you how he is making you fool.

anti-agni
चतुदशिवासु गीयते चशेखरः तेन तुयो यदा िवणुः ावायदगते षिवषसहािण िवायांजायते कृ िमः अथात,चौदहिवाएँिशव कागुणगान करतीह। ज ो ि िवणु को यााक ो िशव के बराबर काबताताह ै, वह इस अपराध के कारण 60हजार वष तक टीकाकीड़ ा बनताह ै । [सौरपुराण 40/15,17] यासुदशन TV इन द ोनधमंथ परभीक ोई ोाम… Read more »
anti-agni
@jay. why should i bring islamhinduism guy? Read sanatani’s comment in which he called alu sin as prophet and what he has copy pasted fron alu sin’s website. do you think that alu sin ever accept his fallacies? have you ever accepted that dayanda was wrong in believing iblis(satan) as… Read more »
Jay Arya
This is because you support him dont you? as for santana dharma he once said ali sina is my ideal but i dont think he said ali sina is my prophet if he has please show me? and dayanand saraswati was not wrong the verse clearly says the angel was… Read more »
anti-agni
@jay. here is alu sin’s debate ss he claim with qadri sb it is same format. Ali Sina Writes: (Ali Sina) Since Dr. Naik presented 22 out of many errors of the Bible, let me present a short list of many errors of the Quran for him (or anyone) who… Read more »
Jay Arya
agniveer never said he had debate with zakir naik he wants to have debate with zakir naik even answering islam and ali sina have sent invitions for debates but zakir naik doesnt accept instead zakir naik chooses his people who knows he can beat eg ravi shankar who isnt a… Read more »
Jay Arya

also you have not answered anything and you havent told me why i could not find what you said ali sina said is not there?

Jay Arya
hello anti agni and yes finally i saw santana dharma claiming ali sina as a prophet but you need to understand he is being sarcastic he is trying to say if muslims can believe muhammed was a prophet why cant we believe ali sina is a prophet? as for ali… Read more »
anti-agni
@jay. how many times you want me to repeat the same thing? i wanted to say that as agniveer never debated with dr. zakir but he has mny dissections or analyse the zn’s articles. what he do which you can’t understand he take some lines of zn and comment according… Read more »
krishnarao
YOu are such a fool anti-agni(aka retard). Arya Samaj has requested to debate with naik the dumb ass a bunch of times, but he refuses to debate with Arya Samaj. Instead that idiot used a person who used to part of Arya Samaj and was kicked out because of gambling,… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni If you have disagreement why not refute ali Sina at his website http://alisina.org/ BTW what you think about Mubahila, Islamic way to find out the truth. Ali Sina is not wrong as it is proven to us. Allah also agree with Ali Sina views. Do you not know when… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma

@anti-agni
Why not you post all your disagreements with Ali sina at at http://alisina.org/ & show him truth. Why are u afraid posting there?.

anti-agni
Ali Sina Writes: 5. Dr. Naik said that Islam is for all mankind. I showed that in verses 6:92 and 42:7 Muhammad said that he had come for the people of Mecca and its surrounding and in verses 32:03 and 36:6 he said that he was sent to people other… Read more »
riyasat ahmad khan

brother darshan how can u say in theory and not in practice ?
if u know hindi plz reply in hindi my english is weak.

Darshan

Quran inherited many things from Vedas but only in theory and not in practice. If hindu name after Ved is Ved Prakash, Zaved and Naved are likewise inheritance from Vedas.

riyasat ahmad khan

brother darshan how can u say in theory and not in practice ?
if u know hindi plz reply in hindi my english is weak

riyasat ahmad khan
to all non muslim brothers & sisters aap sabhi ye to samaj gaye honge ki kuran shareef k mutabik kewal ek khuda ki ibaadat karni chahiye aur akhiri nabi mohammad s.a.w. ko manna chahiye aur nek kaam karne chahiye agar ab bhi aap ic se inkar karte he to kayamat… Read more »
anti-agni
@sanatani. i think you are totally out of order. why should i prove alusin wrong if he doesn’t have any faith any stand any truth? Why you want to be written thousand times. i challenge alusina or any aryasamaji to prove me wrong and condition is that i’ll play role… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni ___________is that i’ll play role of atheist__________ Who said you Islamic Prophet Ali Sina in an atheist. Islamic Prophet Ali Sina is believer in God but not believer in Allah. Here is Prophet words “Now, you can believe in God, but know that he is not sending any messages… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni Hello brother, here is offer for you Prophet Ali Sina words/Massage for the people like you “I am open for debate and I have even offered $50,K to anyone who can prove me wrong. If you are not a scholar encourage one and if he wins I give $50… Read more »
anti-agni

@sanatani. My comments are beyond your capabilities of understanding so no need to waste our time.

Sanatan Dharma

@anti-agni
Muslim are brainwashed by their Mullaz. They are not able to understand anything. They live in dreams where Jinn, angle, 72 hoors, prophets, miracle exist but in real world there is no place for such things.

anti-agni

@sanatani. aryasamajis are dumbest peoples fooled by moolshankar lcan’t understand simple things and most notorious example is you yourself .
You are so dumb that moolshankar died explaining there is no need of prophets but you say ali sinna is aryasamajis prophet? hahaha

Jay Arya
hello anti agni if you reject jesus as god according to christians you will also face hell and if they do say that they are being sarcastic do you muslims as you believe in prophets and as for arya samaj i respect all eastern beliefs they are all rational and… Read more »
Jay Arya

which arya samaji clearly said ali sina is our prophet? why you taking it literally if that ever was mentioned my friend you are not worth talking to bring your islamic scholors/apologists like the guy from answering christianity,islmhinduism,islamic awareness im happy to have a discussion with them

anti-agni
@jay. you have searched for truth and whichever religion you want to follow its your choice but i can say that islam is only true religion otherwise you have to face hell. your fellow aryasamajis regularly write prophet to agniveer and alu sin and they never say we are not… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
we didnt say ali sina was our prophet and you ask ‘why should i prove alusin wrong if he doesn’t have any faith any stand any truth?’ this is because has many claims about islam and muhammed why dont you refute him and show him his claims are wrong? as… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni Why Ali Sina can not be prophet of Islam? He deserve to be called prophet of Islam. He has better understanding of Quran, hadiths than other Islamic people like Mohammed and other scholars of Islam. He is irrefutable to till date. No Muslim scholar dare to debate with him?… Read more »
anti-agni

@krishnarao. when have no answer then you start scolding others . many aryasamaji accepted that ali sina is their prophet and you are refuting me??

krishnarao
Hi Jay, Anti-agni really is a little girl. The guy has been proven that his crazy desert religion is made up, and his religion is a joke. And now he runs around like a maniac throwing suicide temper tantrums. He needs to stop pouting when he gets demoted like the… Read more »
anti-agni

@jay. yoy just read following comment of sanatani..don’t you understand English? you can read. ” @anti agni hello .
…… propht ali sina words/message “?????

Bro these things happens when you wander in the darkness of philosophies, everything can’t be true.

anti-agni

@jay. yoy just read following comment of sanatani..don’t you understand English? you can read. ” @anti agni hello .
…… propht ali sina words/message “?????

Bro these things happens when you wonder in the darkness of philosophies, everything can’t be true.

anti-agni
@sanatani. you are unable to understand what debate is so my comments are beyond your capabilities of understanding . read first debate with shite aalim how could you say thay alusin have won? Shite aalim continually asking what is your point what you want to prove then what alusin replied?… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni//Quran is not universal book because it has history and its teaching also not universal, eternal & everlasting Can I know why you hate Prophet Ali Sina. What wrong he is supporting? Ali Sina also against rape, terrorism, looting, hate on name of believers and non-believers. When Mr. Bhatti invited… Read more »
anti-agni
@jay. good answer but i am saying that ill change my id and will pretend as atheist and reject everything like alusina then who can win debate with me? I have searched debate forum of alusin but i haven’t identified any scholar from Muslims side, how could be they renowned… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
ali sina and his group of ex muslims are not pretending they are speaking what they see as truth and they know islam more than non muslims do and if you say you can pretend to be athiest and no body can refute you why dont you leave islam and… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@Anti-Agni ___________change my id and will pretend as atheist ___________ Firstly, prophet Ali Sina nowhere said he is an atheist. He said he do not believe in Allah. Not believing in Allah does not mean atheist. _________everything like alusina then who can win debate with me________ Ali Sina does not… Read more »
quran-is-protected
@sanatani, i dont knw how could be you peoples so dumb? read your comment again “___you know debates symposium seminars discussion more_____ Criticizing Islam means calling to one’s death. Do you have guts to criticize Islam openly? Taliban and Pakistani terrorist will end your life within no seconds. People like… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@Anti-Agni/Quran is not universal book because it has history and its teaching also not universal, eternal & everlasting _______no refutation of alusin’s points from maulana’s side____ What is fault of Ali Sina in it if Moulana could not give anything From Quran and Hadiths to prove Islam true religion. It… Read more »
anti-agni
@sanathani. i am unable to understand that sudden declaration of a person that i have started reading and writing then how could it be a miracle? will you not say that he may have learn in secret? reading and writing is such a big thing? alusina is making you fool.… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)

yes but you are not athiest so you cant refute anything ali sina only has debates with scholors if you are a well known scholors he will debate you

anti-agni
@sanatani. you may think it as miracle but no one can accept except alusinna. you are unable to understand that prophet Muhammad’s mother tongue was arabic and he was un letterd. suppose if he started arabic reading and writing then will you accept it as miracle? will you not say… Read more »
Darshan
Please show miracles for peace in Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt , Somalia and elsewhere. It is the might of the State or opponents which wields the sword of strength and innocent people suffer and some have miraculous escape to migrate. Neither Allah nor God nor ishwar can come to protect… Read more »
quran-is-protected
@sanatani, will you accept that you have copy pasted from alu sina’s comment? ——-If you have never learned English how to read, write, speak & Suddenly you start to read, write and speak English. What could be the greater miracle than this?—– do you want to say any foreign language?… Read more »
aditya
Ok, what we are discussing here is about spirituality and eternal aspect of vedas. You want to know where did vedas talk about interest,political system,morals,financial….. One point should be clear is that Vedas do have a lot of morals and they lay down the various duties of every individual (Which… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
_ @Anti-Agni/Quran is not universal book because it contain history __________will you accept that you have copy pasted from alu sina’s comment_____________ Ali Sina is my ideal. He is role model for me. I am great fan. He is irrefutable scholar. Yes, I take many comments from Ali Sina. He… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni _________i am illiterate and suddenly i started reading and writing then will you not say that someone may have taught you____ If you have never learned English how to read, write, speak & Suddenly you start to read, write and speak English. What could be the greater miracle than… Read more »
Darshan

True that miracles do not happen. Magician or some self styled religious leaders like late Sai Baba learnt magic or acting to cheat people. But God is a great saviour and come rescue of good persons. I have experiences of his benevolence.

anti-agni
@sanatani. your point has no meaning. i have already told you that alu sin has posted this comment in response of zitsi. you are just defending a meaningless point. suppose i am illiterate and suddenly i started reading and writing then will you not say that someone may have taught… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
anti agni why dont you reply to any of my comments? many muslims have left islam i can you name of many muslim clerics/preachers that left islam for other religion weather it is christianity,hinduism,judaism,modern athiesm etc as for muslim websites who are against agniveer and attacking him when they can… Read more »
anti-agni
@jay. i don’t know what you want fron me? You peoples are not honest in accepting anything from Muslims point of view. you become biased and fool when talk to any muslim. Just search yusuf estates or islamtomorrow.com and you’ll know how many Muslims are leaving islam. i or we… Read more »
aditya
you can never say that Islam is convincing. actually Islam does not convince a rational mind. moreover your prophet is notorious for many acts and it is impossible that he would be God’s messenger.moreover I request you to read the article “god must be crazy ” in this website and… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
First of all you keep talking nonsense you havent answered anything second i was hinduagnostic so i was open minded i was already to stop believing in god but i wanted to see if belief system had some answers and i think the eastern beliefs are good but the thing… Read more »
PRAVEEN
There are people like Zakir Naik who proclaim Islam is the only true religions. However, worldover, muslims are being considered as nuisance.Muslim countries are the most backward and 50% of their population, i.e. women are forced to live like slaves, covered all over and are at the mercy of their… Read more »
anti-agni
@jay. islam Hinduism site contains a link as mp arya ko jawab which is an audio and in that reply islam Hinduism thoroughly refuted some points of mp including ajajeel. As i have already said you can find a video of debate between tariq sb and mp. arya in which… Read more »
pravin hindu
Ajajlil hai ya zibrail dono naam kuran me bhi ate hai aur bible me bhi…ue nam hi kuu sare nam aur kahania merry ne kuye k pami me jhank k delha aur bachcha paida ho gaya…va bhai vah pani me dekhne se ba chcha!!!!!aisi manghaxant ajube wali kahanoyo ka bhandar… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)

show me where in the video he says that im not saying your wrong but i dont remember if he acyually said ajajeel as for islamhinduism they made a video where they try to answer the questions of mp arya they didnt refute anything

anti-agni
@jay. you are totally out of order. have you listened that islamhinduism reply to mp arya? It is the problem mr. jay that without reading anything you show too much. mp arya ko jawb is not video and you are saying mp arya answered to that video? you can search… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic

yes it is video and can you show me where he says ajeel so that i can see i dont remember that?

Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)

he replied to the so called answers of the admins but i dont know if he replied to that video exactly

Sanatan Dharma

@anti-agn
Hey anti-agni please let me know why do you believe Islam is true religion. Why Mohammed used to keep sex slaves? How do you know Islam was not political agenda of Arabs to lead the world?

anti-agni
@sanatani. why you want that topic must be repeated all the time? Can you show me anyy vedic society? why we believe in agniveer samajis translation only? why we reject translation which is accepted by 99% Hindus and obviously that translation is much older than dayanda? Veda only leads to… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
You need to understand there are many fake babas who know nothing about hindu scriptures espically not vedas most hindu scholors follow many books but arya samaj scholors only follow vedas and know vedas better than hindu scholors know vedas eg hinduscholors may know more about mahabharta than arya samaj… Read more »
Darshan
Many things in Quranic ideology are from Vedic philosophy but Islam only follows Quran in theory and not in practice. In Namaj Nam is Naman or surrender to God called Aj in vedas and Aj means Ajanma God. Perhaps Haj is pilgrimage to holy Qaba where Vedik name Aj of… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma

@anti-agni
Why not you answer me why do Allah makes a lot of fuss over formless worship, Idol worship and non worship? Why did Allah send prophet in Arabia land? Why worshiping Allah not enough to get heaven? Why believing in Jinns, angles, Mohammed is compulsory for getting heaven?

Sanatan Dharma
@anti-agni ____________Why you can’t answer on veda________ You can question to me about Veda, but you should to know what is Veda? Veda are eternal, everlasting and universal truths. If any truth is not eternal, everlasting & universal that is not Veda. God is eternal & universal entity and his/her… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma

@Anti-Agni
________do you think reading and writing is miracle____
What could be greatest miracle if an illiterate man read and write?
_____am i performing a miracle____
You are not illiterate, you are educated and learned how to read and write. You can read and write there is no miracle.

anti-agni
@sanatani. what a foolish answer you have given? do you think reading and writing is miracle? am i performing a miracle? aryasamadhi minus alisuna =0……you are nothing without alusinna. we call it moajaza and moajaza means no one is able to counter so do you tjink reading and writing is… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
@Anti-Agni “Instead of directly giving his message to mankind Allah chooses and illiterate man to be his messenger, who performs all sorts of miracles but is not able to perform the most useful miracle of reading and writing. But Allah does not speak to this messenger directly. He sends another… Read more »
anti-agni
@sanatani. because how could you know that Allah exists or not? through Quran and prophet Muhammad and who brought wahi? Angel jibraeel alaihissalam and if i reject the presence of malaika then how could i believe in quran and know Allah? how could i know how to worship Allah? i… Read more »
anti-agni
@pravin. mahendra paal is deceiving you. you can see his debate with tariq Abdullah sb on you tube. he always say that Allah ordered ajajeel to bring dust?? There is no ajajeel in Quran. and it shows that he doesn’t know Quran . i don’t know in which masjid he… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
that what you muslims say your abdullah tariq from peace tv couldnt answer his questions as for that video from islamhinduism that video is complete nonsense mahendera pal arya replied back to islamhinduism admins they have not replied back publicily ever sense and you making claims we exagerate we dont… Read more »
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)
Jay Arya(hinduagnostic)

alsi show me where he says allah orded ajeel to bring dust?

pravin hindu
MahendraPalji kahi bhi aur kabhi bhi dharm charcha k liye tayyar hai. Zakir k uatad unse chacha kar k kabul kiya hai k MagendraPalji sahi hai.utna ya zakir ka gyan kya apse kum hai?challanve kabul kar k ajao.30 50 bar challamge hua unka.darppk kamjor kam buddhi wala adhure vyan me… Read more »
pravin hindu
Ek koi challange kar raha tha k charcha karo.janab ek hai aajm MahendraPal ji..jo pahle masjid me Imam tbe.Vedo ka gyan liya unhone aur Hindu dharm Sanatani bune hai.pichle 3salo se zakir nalayak ko uske ustad ko pachaso bar unhone charcha k liye kahi b karne Tayyar baithe hai.ma ka… Read more »
pravin hindu

Zakir nalyak ko desbdroh n algav vadi adharmik ishnindk k apradh me jail me bithao .varna Hinduo ki sahanshilta ko kamjori samajne wale jehad k nam ka durupyog karne walo k khilaf humko Dharm yuddha karna he padega.JAI HIND.

pravin hindu
Kuran bible la duplicate hai.christians musalman se bahot pahle aye.bible k abtahm ko ibrahim? Aur Sanatan dharm yugo se hai.hindu ya sanatan k koi granth Vedo me kuran k tarha daraya ua laluch nahi hai.kuran arbio k liye bnai gai arbi me.fir aap log q padhte ho.?kahaniyo k siwa kya… Read more »
pravin hindu
Rajkumar. Musalman kahte hai musalsal lmaan wale ko?kya innme aaj ya pahle iman tha ya aaj hai? Nahi .Q k jub hindu ka marne k bad sub parthiv panxh tatva me shamil ho jata haiuslmi lko marne pe isi dharti me gad k kabra banate hai.yani marne pe b wo… Read more »
Darshan

VANDE MAATRAM ka arth hai devotion to motherland and nothing beyond.

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