Woman – Foundation of knowledge

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The Vedic attitude towards woman is clear and unambiguous. She forms the foundation of our society. If you want to destroy the society, destroy the status, education and dignity of woman, If you want to form a society that stands up to highest benchmarks of principles and nobility, accord highest glory to woman and let her possess knowledge, dignity and leadership.

It was the greatest misfortune that befell on our nation and society when we started considering women as commodity – either for sensual pleasure or for servile jobs. This did not happen in one day. The degradation of women started around 1000 years before Mahabharat. But after the Islamic invasions in middle ages, the status kept deteriorating like anything. And in sync with that, the society started becoming more and more weak, cowardly, impotent, tortured, mutilated and devastated. The price that we paid for ignoring the Vedic advice on women has been indeed very heavy. So foolish have we been that, in name of Dharma, we allowed the undeserving among us to dictate that women do not have rights over study of Vedas or to even recite Vedic mantras.

It is indeed a matter of shame that many such anti-Vedic mindsets claim to represent so-called Hindutva or Hinduism or Vedic culture and many even revere them blindly. And this is what has been making our society even more hypocritical. Agniveer categorically states that all those people and all those texts that justify prohibition of Vedic studies or inferior rights for women are the GREATEST ENEMIES OF HINDUISM. Period.

The lessons of repression of women have been learned by us not from Vedas but from traditions of the invaders who plundered us – be it the tribals of West Asia representing so-called Islam or the British representing so-called Christianity. And of course all those bogus texts that were written to dissuade people from study of Vedas. We do not know when and till when were these texts written. (Some kept being written till printing press became popular in late 19th century!) But we are of firm opinion that any text that demeans women or provides them inferior rights or restricts them from being leaders of society should be trashed into garbage or reinterpreted in lines of Vedas. Its high time we get back directly to the Vedas to know what true Dharma is.

In this article, we shall trash the myth that women do not have right to study Vedas or perform Yajna. We shall also study what Vedas have to say about a scholarly woman.

Woman and Yajna

Rigveda 1.146.3: The Yajamaan (performer of Yajna) and his wife are two cows and the fire of Yajna is the calf.

Rigveda 1.72.5: Scholars perform Yajna with their wives and achieve bliss.

Rigveda 2.6.5: If mother and sister perform Yajna together, that brings bliss.

Rigveda 7.1.6: The young woman approaches the fire with Havi

Atharvaveda 3.28.6: O wife, you have entered the world of Yajna.

Atharvaveda 3.30.6: All the members of family should perform Yajna.

Atharvaveda 14.2.18: O woman, you should perform Yajna in Grihastha Ashram.

Atharvaveda 14.2.25: O woman, perform Yajna with bliss.

Further, there is NOT ONE SINGLE mantra in entire Vedas that prohibit Yajna for women.

Please note that Yajna here does not mean merely Agnihotra or Havan, but all kinds of noble deeds. Vedas simply do not differentiate on basis of gender or birth for conduct of any noble deed.

And when women can do Yajna, what stops her from reciting Vedic Mantras!

The restriction of women from Vedas or Yajna is an innovation of medieval age whose only contribution to our society has been disaster and slavery.

Its a matter of shame that many revered representatives of Hinduism still justify such perverted beliefs. But thanks to legends like Swami Dayanand Saraswati who gave right interpretations of Vedas, we hear Gayatri Mantra sung by women even in temples!

Here is a tip to expose black sheep among us – Ask the representative of Hinduism – be he a Shankaracharya or Mahant or Master of Sanskrit or whatever – if he can have a woman perform priestly duties, recite Vedic mantras and conduct Agnihotra. If answer is anything but an immediate and emphatic yes, he is an enemy to cause of Dharma. Reject him in same manner as one rejects a snake despite having a Mani on head.

 

Woman and Education

Swami Dayanand even went to the extent to proposing a punishment for those who do not send their children – boys and girls – to school (Satyarth Prakash Chapter 3). Here are some mantras on necessity of education for women.

Rigveda 6.44.18: The government should ensure that all boys and girls get good education, follow Brahmacharya and strengthen the society.

Yajurveda 10.7: Government should put special efforts to make all women into scholars.

Rigveda 3.1.23: Smart people should ensure that all boys and girls become scholars.

Rigveda 2.41.16: All girls should receive education from scholarly women.

Yajurveda 11.36: Parents should ensure good education of children – boys and girls – and then send them to scholars for a long period so that their enlighten the families and nation like sun.

Rigveda 1.152.6: The way mother nourishes her children with milk, scholars should nourish girls and boys with knowledge.

Yajurveda 6.14: Teachers should ensure that they inculcate noble qualities in their students (girls and boys) through dissemination of knowledge of Vedas.

Rigveda 2.41.17: All scholars should instruct their scholarly wives to educate all girls.

Yajurveda 34.40: The way dawn brings happiness among human beings, scholarly woman should bring happiness by educating girls.

Yajurveda 20.85: Scholarly woman should ensure that she educates other women and makes them also scholars.

Rigveda 1.117.24: Teachers should ensure that they train boys and girls with highest levels of noble values and educate them and then return them to their respective parents.

Rigveda 1.164.41: The woman who masters and teaches all the Vedas brings bliss in entire society.

Rigveda 7.40.7: Scholarly woman that possess noble qualities should educate all women and bring happiness everywhere.

Woman-–-Foundation-of-knowledge

Potentials of an educated woman

An educated woman can make her society a world power. She can change the course of history. She is Saraswati. Here is what Vedas have to say about an educated woman.

Yajurveda 20.84: The scholarly woman purifies our lives with her intellect. Through her actions, she purifies our actions. Through her knowledge and action, she promotes virtue and efficient management of society.

Yajurveda 20.85: Scholarly woman inspires us towards knowledge. She promotes conduct of noble acts in society.

Yajurveda 20.86: Scholarly woman rushes an exhilaration within us that comes only through knowledge. She enlightens our knowledge, applications and actions.

Rigveda 1.164.49: O scholarly woman, your knowledge provides us peace and bliss. You lead us to inculcate noble virtues. You provide us prosperity through your knowledge. May we obey your inspiration that you provide as a mother. A scholarly woman is mother of entire society.

Rigveda 2.41.16: O provider of great knowledge, O my mother through the nourishment of knowledge that you have provided, our life is scattered without you. Please provide us direction.

Rigveda 2.41.17: A scholarly woman, the entire life of society depends upon you. You provide us the right knowledge. May you bring knowledge to all segments of society.

Rigveda 6.49.7: O scholarly woman, you purify our character. You have noble characteristics. You conduct noble actions. You have noble habits. We bow to your greatness that provides bliss to all.

Rigveda 6.61.2: O scholarly woman, the way a river breaks away mightiest of hills and rocks, the scholarly woman destroys myths and hypes through her intellect alone. May we bow to women through our polite words and noble actions.

Rigveda 6.61.3: O scholarly woman, destroy the evil inside us through your knowledge and character. Gift us with knowledge of Vedas. O performer of noble actions, you provide us stream of knowledge in same manner as a river provides stream of water.

Rigveda 7.96.3: O scholarly noble woman brings only happiness in society. She makes us knowledgeable and alert. She guides us like the mantras in Yajna and teaches us use of everything in world.

Rigveda 10.17.7: Those who desire the society to become noble and powerful, they respect woman and please her. Those who desire virtues respect woman and please her. Those who respect woman obtain bliss, knowledge and happiness.

Atharvaveda 7.57.1: Whenever I am hurt by meanness of world or misunderstanding with others, a scholarly woman heals my wounds. (Because women possess the soft skills and emotional intelligence that is not naturally and easily available to men.)

May Ishwar, inspire the women of our nation and world to be examples of Vedic women. And may our society put woman and her respect at highest pedestal so that we become lighthouse of entire world.

References: Works of Swami Dayanand, Pt Ramnath Vedalankar, Pt Jaydeva Shastri, Pt Priyaratna and many other Vedic scholars. Vedic Naari by Pt Ramnath Vedalankar, Vedik Shabdarth Vichar by Pt Ramnath Vedalankar, Vedic Kosh by Pt Rajveer Shastri have been consulted primarily. All these books can be procured from www.vedicbooks.com

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Comments

  1. says

    Nice article Agniveer. Keep the good work up.

    Where can I buy the English translated Vedas translated by Swami Dayanand Saraswati? Also, get back to me regarding the Aryan Invasion Theory. Still waiting for your reply.

  2. says

    Namaste

    English translation of Swami Dayanand may be available partially at vedicbooks.com. You can also check translations by Devi Chand. But there is need to have a modern translation that is complete and contemporary.

    We have requested one of the scholars in our panel to work on Aryan Invasion Theory. This may take some time.

    Dhanyavad

    • says

      Ok, thanks for replying. Although, I am curious to know how the modern translation is going? Is it happening as we speak, or has someone still not started the initiative?

      I congratulate again for you work here. You really represent an awakening of the youth to take pride in their heritage and their historical figures.

      I mean if the French can have Napoleon, the Americans their “Founding” Fathers and Arabs their Mohammed, why can’t we be proud of our own indigenous heroes and legends like Sri Ram, Sri Krishna, Sivaji, Guru Gobind Singh etc.?

    • SS says

      Why you call something a theory where there is no evidence for, as calling it a theory only proves it correct. As the definition of theory means that no matter how much evidence you have against you cannot disapprove of it. In fact current research states that most of the Mahabharat is correct that over 1000000sq km of area the biggest find in archeology, the biggest ancient civilization call the MahaBharat, or Swarswati River civilization, or Indus Valley.But it is one of the least studied in archeology and many more sites besides these 2500 sites that have already been found are to be found. In fact it is Hindu impotence that is the main factor for it not be called the MahaBharat Civilization. Like Dwarka existing in the exact location where it is stated in Mahabharat verified by archeology.

  3. Pratap says

    Actually women are the pivotal point around which a civilization dwells. Women have a major role in the development of a sound society. She is the first teacher of her child. It is through her that the child gets his first lessons of life. Please note, we always say “Mother-tongue” and not “father-tongue”. All great men had a woman behind him. Shivaji had Jijabai (his mother) who exhorted him to FIGHT the enemies, Gandhi had Putlibai (his mother) who gave him famous “3-vows” before he left for studies in England. It changed his life for ever.
    If you read Guru Granth Sahib, there is a mention of 40 warriors who cold-shouldered Guru Govind Singh in the middle of the war and went to their village. It was their mothers and sisters who chided them for betraying the guru. And these inspired men returned to fight the moguls and all of them made the supreme sacrifice.
    Then we have the famous dialogue b/w Yamraj and Satyawati (Satyawan’s wife). This courageous Lady ,through her wit and knowledge, convinced Yamraj (God of death) to release the life of her husband. Then who can forget the the glory of Rajput women-folk, who performed jauhar (jumping into fire) before the men committed Saka (fight to the point of death) so that the men do not worry about the risk of their Muslim adversaries robing the women of their honor in case of battle-loss!!
    We also have Rani-lakshmi bai who defied all odds to fight the Britishers.
    Take our modern world, for example, ever noticed why Christian missionaries are specifically targeting women-folk?? Why stress laid on more Girls Convent schools than on co-education. The reason is implicit: They realize the importance of women-folk in propagation of their religion. If women-folk of a family are convinced of the greatness of Christ then the children in the family will definitely be influenced or at least sympathize with their cause. (Please notice the biased attitude of our English media) Sadly some of our Stubborn Dharam-Gurus are not realizing the potential of women and are hell bent in following their dogmas of confining her. Thank you Agniveer for the initiative.

    • says

      @ Pratap (and other readers)

      Thanks for your post, learnt some new things. But don’t you sometimes feel that debating with Muslims in particular is a dead end? We are constantly writing counter arguments to prove our point, but in the end, there is no change in their thinking as they will defend Islam no matter how idiotic they seem. I am currently speaking to a former Muslim from India. He left Islam despite being threated by his own friends and family! I mean the threats happen even in a liberal country like India man! I feel the problem is ingrained in our educational system.

      We must see reform in our syllabus and educate the Indian public to love our heroes and legends rather than proving which religion is right or more supreme. Obviously, the teachings of Vedas will be there as a philosophical subject and proving it’s root in all major philosophies and civilisations.

      I do love Agniveer’s work and I support it as it has its own function and objective towards our readers. However, it is up to the readers to make Agniveer’s work into action and actually change our nation for the good.

      Supporting parties like RSS and BJP and most importantly Congress will not solve the issue as they play the communal cards all too much. I have always said and stand firm that in an educated and liberal India, Islam will slowly deteriorate. The teachings and philosophies of Vedas will always be eternal no matter what but if people especially Muslims, who do constitute for the majority of poverty and illiteracy in India, do not receive proper education of Indian history, Vedic philosophy etc. how will they then feel part of India? How will they be able to better their position in India? How will they engage in the economy positively for India? Once these people are educated and provided with opportunities only then will the chains of dogmatic Islam release them. Only then will they fall into the Vedic mode of life. Only then will Mohammed and Quran seem irrelevant. But if they remain poor and illiterate, they will be under the rule of their local mullahs and imams and cling on their religion till they “explode”.

      • Pratap says

        Dear friend, I appreciate your concern. BUT then what is better than showing an arrogant– the mirror. At least it will strike him somewhere in the mind, though, he may not speak for the fear of blasphemy. We have to appreciate the fact that it is very difficult for Muslims to accept the truth of other religions. The reason is that great “apprehension” of other religions. The mullahs have firmly ingrained in them this fear. It is a self-perpetuating cycle. You see what happened in Pakistan– The liberal Governor of their Panjab was assassinated for sticking to his liberal views.
        As far as your concern regarding our “Education System” is concerned, it is very VALID. The history department of our Education system has been hijacked by Communists, who have selectively erased the glorious ancient history of our’s & inserted a distorted version of history. Many important phases of history are missing or mis-interpreted. Ex–Despite Aryan race theory being proved wrong, our history would not refresh to this fact. Please refer NCERT books and you will see the biasness of Marxists historians. You may also refer to Arun Shourie’s “The Eminent Historian” (Rupa and Co.)
        But let me make it clear that I have nothing against Islam. I have many Muslim friends who are liberal in their views and are receptive to a healthy discussion. I appreciate their attitude and only wish that there is a mutual understanding and RESPECT for each other’s faith.
        I must also state that I am against the ULTRA-ORTHODOXY of certain Hindu sects, just as I am against the violent version of Islam. Let the LIBERALS usher.

        • says

          Well, educational reform will not happen in this forum but through the action of the youth. I’m sure people like you, me and the youth around India will not sit idle when our times come. Until then, yes, perhaps you are right that one should inject some truth in their heads whether they accept it or not.

          Although, I disagree on one thing with you. I have everything against ISLAM, but nothing against the Muslim. Islam is a way of thought with very strict beliefs. If you accept these things, only then are you a Muslim:

          1) Quran as final and divine word of God.
          2) Mohammed as Last prophet.

          How can you accept a facist book as the Quran? I mean, we live in society where we should be able to scrutinize and tackle ideologies. Islam is no exception. The Muslim is simply a human being and innocent most of the times. But Islam, the ideology, is the evil and the terrorist being the purest Muslim one can be.

          Think about it? Is Communism, Nazism or Facism the problem or the people who follow it? Is the corrupted form of Hinduism the problem or the people who follow it? One can say both, but end game is that we must educate the followers the rights and the wrongs of their ideologies. So I thank Agniveer for the information he/she/they enlighten(s) us with.

  4. Pratap says

    Let me give you another interesting instance of the influence that a mother weaves on her child. This instance changed the modern world forever. We all know that Hitler was a cruel man, fanatic to the core and responsible for the biggest genocide of the modern world (just next to that of Indo-pak Partition). But do you know what made him so vengeful?? Apart from all other factors, one big factor was the Hitlor’s family himself. Alois hitler (Adolf hitler’s father) was a highly authoritarian husband. Hitler’s book “Mein Kampf” (My Struggle) gives a detailed view about the kind of physical beating his father unleashed upon him and his mother Klara. (Now this is IMPORTANT)– When young Hitler saw his mother meekly surrendering to the tortures, crying in silence and surrender, he developed a hate towards his father. He started treating his mother as akin to “Germany” (At that time Germany was facing humiliating terms of treaty of Versailles after world war-I) and his father as the “other world”. This psychology created in him a GREAT HATE and a desire to rule over the “oppressive” ‘other world’. Hence -inadvertently- Silent suffering of his mother became a “contributing” factor to Hitler’s fanatism.
    (Sorry, if I have dwelled too much on Child psychology, BUT the point was important vis-a-vis the respect of women in a family & society and the consequential positives that inures to the overall society)

  5. Harsh Vora says

    It will be a HUGE contribution to humankind to have our Vedas translated (in complete, unadulterated form) in English. I expect a lot from the Agniveer team. Also, having these (and other) articles from the website published in peer-reviewed and academic journals would amount to enormous credibility and marketing among the larger academia. It is a sure-shot way to present our claims to the scholars all around the world.

  6. Harshavardhan says

    Vande Mataram ,

    Again a great article from you , By showing this to any one they will change their mind towards woman .

    Dhanyavaad .

    Jai Hind.

  7. विवेक says

    Rigveda 1.72.5: Scholars perform Yajna with their wives and achieve bliss.

    Rigveda 2.6.5: If mother and sister perform Yajna together, that brings bliss.

    इनमे यह 2.6.5 , 1.72.5 क्या है ? कृपया इन श्लोको के नंबर लिखें

  8. subodh kumar says

    Vedas On girl child
    यत्र नार्यस्तु पूज्यन्ते रमन्ते तत्र देवता: !
    यत्रेतास्तु न पूज्यन्ते सर्वास्तत्राफला: क्रिया: !! मनु:
    Prosperity reigns supreme where women are held in high esteem. All their actions fail to bring wellbeing, where women are held in disrespect.
    This has been a uniquely Indian tradition from Vedic times, and is not found in any other world civilization.
    Modern world society seeks to draw attention to important issues, by assigning a DAY to each issue. Not inappropriately, we have a ‘Girl Child’ day also. This day should also help us to do a little introspection on the state of our society.
    Our elitist educated class in imitating the west is seeking for women in the Indian society an equal opportunity statute.
    Swami Vivekand was asked by an American in 1890, if women enjoyed status equal to men in India. Eloquent Swami ji is reported to have dumb founded Indians in his audience by saying ‘NO’, and then after a pause, ‘The women India are accorded a higher status than men.’
    In the above quote from Manu it is stated that all efforts of a society to achieve well fare for its people bear no fruit, if the women in that society are not treated with respect.
    Reflecting on the state of our Indian society today, we witness even our elected leaders, surrounded by high security, constantly living under fear of violent attacks by members of our own society. Daily violent attacks on innocent people, miseries and crimes against society fill the front page space in our media. We are witnessing hunger, poverty, social, educational inequalities. Worsening food security and food safety are of great concern. Adverse climate changes seem to be beyond our control. With all the advances of sciences and technology in the modern world, with the best of intentions, think tanks, task forces, missions and commissions, we find all our efforts slipping, in addressing these problems. Has the mankind ‘really’ made real progress?
    It may come as a surprise that description of such a society is found verbatim in Vedas.
    “Where the truth speaking learned men and honest citizens do not enjoy, free speech; Where there is no audience to hear sane voices of reason; Where members of its society are maltreated because they are poor, meek and soft; Where girl child and women are left uncared, unkempt, unsafe, and exploited; Where learning, education, knowledge and scholarship are not given due importance and Where the unborn fetuses are aborted.”
    There the king and his bejeweled consort, even under best of security feel threatened and spend sleepless nights in their chambers. High remunerations paid to the employees in administration, services and defense forces fail to ensure expected good performances.
    Where prosperity earned out of honest living is not adulated, Health from good milk giving cows, good food from fertile fields and bulls and lotus bearing ponds are missed, Strong horses are not yoked to the chariots, People plunder, exploit and shed blood of each other, Brothers cheat and kill each other, Calamities rain on the society, like thunder bolts from the sky, or rain of blazing hot lava rocks.”
    Vedas point out that this situation is brought about by not understanding the role of women in inculcating right values in the society and by the unmindful neglect of the female of the species.
    Girl child starting from her birth, growing through infancy, adolescence, puberty and marriage, performs the role of continuing the human society by giving birth to new generations.
    Mother is the first teacher to cultivate sense for aesthetics to avoid ugliness in life and cultivate the right value system for the human society by proper family upbringing of the young ones. Vedas attribute this most important role assigned by nature to the female of the species.
    Rig Veda and Atharva Veda mention the deliberation of the divine forces on this subject, when female of the species was created. Role of females in society, duties of the society in development of the full potential of female talents, and finally the consequences of abrogation and neglect by the society of its duties towards the welfare of female, are the topics covered very exhaustively in Vedas. It is left to the learned audience to judge as to how relevant and erudite are these ideas, even in the light of modern sociology.
    It may be considered inappropriate but the truth of the matter is that this present state of our Indian society is that of a ‘TALIBANISED’ society. Is it not the hall mark of most Islamic nations in which girl child and female of the species is not accorded due respect and protection, and treated as very inferior? It may not be out of place to mention that according to Christian and Islamic scriptures females did not have a soul.
    From Vedas वेदों से
    On the conceived Role of Female in building Human Society
    1-.तेS वदन् प्रथमा ब्रह्मकिल्विषे S कूपार: सलिलो मातरिश्वा ! वीडुहरास्तप उग्रं मयोभूरापो देवी: प्रथमजा: ऋतस्य !! ऋ10/109/1, अथर्व 5/17/1
    “In the beginning three devataas viz. akoopaar, salilo and matarishwa, (Solar energy, the primordial soup and the moving winds laden with microbes) – that had taken part in creation of the physical humans, te awadan- deliberated among themselves. To brahmkilvishe – plan for preventing degradation of human society by Veeduharaastapugram – defeating the fires of strong dominating commandeering forces, of ugliness, violence, gross selfishness and over confidence uncivilized behavior, by mayobhoorapo dousing these fire with cool waters. For this prathamaaja devee first born female was conceived by ritasya – by God almighty’s wisdom.
    (Invincible Samson was cooled off by Delilah in bible) Vedas are in fact giving the same allegorical interpretation, but in a more comprehensive and scientific form, as follows.
    2- सोमो राजा प्रथमो ब्रह्मजायां पुनः प्रायच्छदहृणीयमानः ।
    अन्वर्तिता वरुणो मित्र आसीदग्निर्होता हस्तगृह्या निनाय॥ ऋ10-109-2, अथर्व 5-17-2
    सोमस्य जाया प्रथमं गन्धर्वस्तेऽपरः पतिः।
    तृतीयो अग्निष्टे पतिस्तुरीयस्ते मनुष्यजाः॥ अथर्व 14-1-3, ऋ 10-85-40
    सोमो ददद्‌ गन्धर्वाय गन्धर्वो ददग्नये।
    रयिं च पुत्रश्चादादग्निर्मह्यमथो इमाम्‌॥ अथर्व14-2-4, ऋ10-85-41
    These three Ved mantras also occurring in different places explain the same three stages in the development of the female temperament.
    In the beginning is what modern science refers to the age before formation of ‘the blood brain barrier’ in the children i.e. up to about 4 years age. According to our Shastras the girl child is under the guardianship of Soma.
    Vedas elaborate on Soma as god of intellect and poetically describe Soma being the first husband of the females during their infancy.
    (Modern science tells us that that DHA (Decosa Hexaenoic Acid) and EPA (Ecosa Pentaenoic Acid) are the two fatty acids that power the human brain in all its activities related to human faculties. DHA is particularly associated with eyesight. Both DHA and EPA are made in the human body from ALA the Omega 3 fatty acids.
    In young females capacity for conversion of dietary Omega 3 to DHA is nearly 20 higher and EPA is nearly three times higher than males. Thus it is the female of the species that has been given the extra responsibility to ensure good brains, eye sight, the intellectual strength for the human progeny.
    Nature has thus provided the females with a far superior role in building a human society than men, because to start with only sharp and farsighted brains ensure a sustainable happy society.
    This fact is borne out by the observation that in modern society not only in India but even in the Ivy leage colleges in USA, girls are regularly obtaining the academic laurels far ahead of boys. This is no different from Indian experience. Girls are seen to be snatching the top scholastic positions in all examinations in India.
    This is the scientific basis of the unique Vedic Culture that addresses the girl child as an object of veneration and the females to be accorded high position and treated with respect in society.
    In the second stage till the age of puberty around 12/13 years, during adolescence the girl child is possessed by Gandharvas.
    Gandharwas represents aesthetics, all which is beautiful, delicate, sensitive, empathic and virtuous in this world. In visuals the talents for appreciation of beauty in nature, arts, physical forms, and ability to replicate the same in paintings/sculptures and such visual art forms. In audiovisual areas gandharwas, would represent good sounds, music, dance forms and drama, good vocal abilities, creative writings. Sensitivity for harmonious relations and peace loving attitudes, delicacy, creativity are the gifts to humanity of the Gandhrwas. The girl child in her teens remains preoccupied with these artistic pursuits. These natural traits of females must be given full opportunities to develop. Females thus become the embodiment of these qualities for the human race. Poetically Vedas describe the Gandhrwas as the second husbands of the females.)
    In the third stage, with development of physical body functions, in Vedic language female body is as if afire with – the flesh gets stronger – by कामाग्नि.
    Female becomes ready for taking on her role of a wife by being married to a human being. And thus bring forth good progeny for progress and continuation of human society.
    3-हस्तेनैव ग्राह्यआधिरस्या ब्रह्मजायेयमिति चेदवोचन्‌ ।
    न दूताय प्रह्ये तस्थ एषा तथा राष्ट्रं गुपितं क्षत्रियस्य॥ ऋ 10-109-3अथर्व 5-17-3
    But it is also said that at this age to prevent the young females from being led astray, they require protective hand holding, just like a nation whose safety and security is ensured by the Kshatriyas.
    4-यामाहुस्तारकैषा विकेशीति दुच्छनां ग्राममवपद्यमानाम्‌ ।
    जाया वि दुनोति राष्ट्रं यत्र प्रापादि शश उल्कुषीमान्‌ ॥ अथर्व-5-17-4
    (It is at this stage here that this first Veda mantra is added by Atharwa Veda as a further elucidation of the subject.)
    Symbolized like unkempt hair of neglected deprived women, are the grown up undisciplined-unprincipled and ignorant females. When they bear children they propagate ignorance and lack of wise counsel to their young offspring. This brings to bear upon the society as a great scourge, like the destructive thunder bolts falling from the sky.
    5-ब्रह्मचारी चरति वेविषद्विषः स-देवानां भवत्येकमङ्‌गम्‌ ।
    तेन जायामन्वविदद्‌बृहस्पतिः सोमेन नीतां जुह्वं ने देवाः ॥
    ऋ 10-109-5 अथर्व 5-17-5
    Brahmcharis the young well educated learned youth have ability to take even the fallen women and bring them to flower, their hidden potential to bear good progeny for intellectual progress of the human race as originally the Gods had desired.
    6-देवा वा एतस्यामवदन्त पूर्वे सप्तऋषयस्तपसे ये निषेदुः ।
    भीमा जाया ब्राह्मणस्योपनीता दुर्धां दधाति परमे व्योमन्‌ ॥
    On this subject, based on the observation and experience of the elders through Saptrishis –The seven observers.
    (SevenRishis are named Kashyap,Atri,Bharadwaj, Jamadagni, Gautam. The seven sensory organs two eyes, two ears, two nostrils and mouth are also described as representing these Seven Rishis) i.e. basically what could be called ‘media reports’, it was expressed that women who are led astray by kidnapping or enticing, bring to bear upon the society very heavy social calamities, and it is the duty of the media to highlight such issues.
    7- ये गर्भा अवपद्यन्ते जगद्‌ यच्चापलुप्यते।
    वीरा ये तृह्यन्ते मिथो ब्रह्मजाया हिनस्ति तान्‌॥ अथर्व 5-17-7
    Even female fetuses that are destroyed bring forth in the society an atmosphere of rampant violence where chivalrous, strong men start violence and fights among themselves. This is seen as the curse of female fetuses destroyed.
    8-उत यत्‌ पतयो दश स्त्रियाः पूर्वे अब्राह्मणाः।
    ब्रह्मा चे द्वस्तमग्रहीत्‌ स एव पतिरेकधा ॥ अथर्व-5-17-8
    But a fallen woman even if she has been exploited by tens of men, finally gets accepted in a proper marriage to a good virtuous man, she is rehabilitated as being married to one man.
    9-ब्राह्मण एव पतिर्न राजन्यो3 न वैश्यः।
    तत्‌ सूर्यः प्रब्रुवन्नेति पञ्चभ्यो मानवेभ्यः ॥ अथर्व 5-17-9
    Like the illuminating light of the sun on the entire earth, this fact should also be very well known in the world that all people must develop their intellect. Merely on the strength of acquiring a higher status of a ruler over men, or a big warrior or a big moneyed person in life, no body acquires the qualification to be a good parent to father a progeny by taking a wife.
    10-पुनर्वै देवा अददुः पुनर्मनुष्या उत । राजानः सत्यं कृण्वाना ब्रह्म जायां पुनर्ददुः ॥ ऋ 10-109-6 अथर्व 5-17-10
    In case of any female if kidnapped or exploited, it becomes the duty of the state to rescue her and rehabilitate her in the society with due respect.
    11-पुनर्दाय ब्रह्मजाया कृत्वी देवैर्निल्बिषम्‌ ।
    ऊर्जं पृथिव्या भक्तवायो रुगायमुपासते ॥ ऋ 10-109-7 अथर्व 5-17-11
    Such women are considered innocent of any crime, and if need arises their rehabilitation should be at state expense.
    12-नास्य जाया शतवाही कल्याणी तल्पमा शये ।
    यस्मिन राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-12
    Even the ruler protected/surrounded by hundreds of security force does not feel secure enough, to have a sound sleep in his chamber, in a Nation where females are commandeered/forced upon against their free will.
    13-न विकर्णः पृथुशिरास्तस्मिन्वेश्मनि जायते ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-13
    That nation/society becomes deaf/ignorant to the voice of the people and no intellectual scholars grow, where females are commandeered/forced upon against their free will.
    14-नास्य क्षत्ता निष्कग्रीवः सूनानामेत्यग्रतः ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-14
    Chivalrous strong men do not show up in nations, where females are commandeered /forced upon against their free will.
    15-नास्य श्वेतः कृष्णकर्णो धुरि युक्तो महीयते ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-15
    By not being able to mount the horses in their chariots – to perform Aswamedh yagna – That nation/state loses face and influence in the world, where females are commandeered/forced upon against their free will.
    16-नास्य क्षेत्रे पुष्करिणी नाण्डीकं जायते बिसम्‌ ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-16
    Water bodies do not sport lotus flowers and the lotus flowers do not bear seeds to propagate themselves, – The environment suffers, where females are commandeered/forced upon against their free will.
    17-नास्मै पृश्नि वे दुहन्ति ये ऽस्या दोहमुपासते ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-17
    Cows are no longer able to provide good quantities of milk, where females are commandeered /forced upon against their free will.
    18-नास्य धेनुः कल्याणी नानड्‌वान्त्सहते धुरम्‌ ।
    विजानिर्यत्र ब्राह्मणो रात्रिं वसति पापया ॥ अथर्व-5-17-18
    Neither the cows bring welfare to society nor oxen get yoked, and without active participation of the women in the society, men are given to crime in night life.

  9. विवेक says

    इस विषय की सत्यता इस लिंक पर जाकर पढ़ सकते हैं यंहा वेद मंत्रो के जीतने भी अर्थ लिखे गए हैं उनमे से एक भी सही नही है । एसा लगता है की किसी मूर्ख ने यह अर्थ निकाला है ।

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  10. विवेक says

    ॐ धूम्र केतवे नमः

    ‘ धूम्रकेतु ‘ श्री महागणेशजी का एक नाम है और धूम्रकेतु का अर्थ है धुए के समान फैले हुए अंधकार (अज्ञान ) का अंत करने वाले । मेरे इस कार्य मे भी इन्ही देव की कृपा है ।

    एक अनार्य समाज के संस्थापक ने वेद मंत्रों का अपनी ‘ असत्यार्थ प्रकाश ‘ नाम की पुस्तक मे बहुत ही दोषपूर्ण पद्धती से अर्थ निकाला है जिसका मेंने वेदों से वास्तविक अर्थ लिखा है । आप सभी जो अनार्य समाज से संबन्धित हो या न हो इसको पूरा जरूर पड़े ।

    स्त्री और यज्ञ

    // Rigveda 1.146.3: The Yajamaan (performer of Yajna) and his wife are two cows and the fire of Yajna is the calf.//

    एक ही अग्नि रूपी पुत्र को उत्पन्न करने वाली ,मार्गो को प्रकाशित करके उन्हे जाने योग्य बनाती हुयी , सभी प्रकार की ज्ञान संपदा को व्याकरण रुप मे धारण करती हुई , उत्तम दर्शन योग्य दो गौए ( अग्नि संवर्धन करने वाली यजमान दंपति रूप ) चारो और विचरण कर रही है ।

    // Rigveda 2.6.5: If mother and sister perform Yajna together, that brings bliss.//

    अन्तरिक्ष से वे अग्निदेव हमारे लिए वृष्टि करे । वे हमे श्रेष्ठ बल तथा हजारो प्रकार का अन्न प्रदान करे ।

    // Rigveda 7.1.6: The young woman approaches the fire with Havi //

    आहुती के योग्य घृत धारण करने वाली जो नित्य सम्बद्ध (यज्ञ पात्र जुहू अथवा स्थूल सूक्ष्म सामाग्री ) सुदक्ष श्रेष्ठ कुशल (यज्ञाग्नि ) के पास पहुचती है वह अपने ही धन से दीप्ति प्राप्त करती है ।

    //Atharvaveda 3.28.6: O wife, you have entered the world of Yajna.//

    जिस देश मे श्रेष्ठ हृदय वाले तथा श्रेष्ठ कर्म वाले मनुष्य अग्निहोत्र ,हवन आदि मे हवी प्रदान करने के लिए नियत रहते हैं । उस देश मे यमिनी मनुष्यो और पशुओ की हिंसा न करे

    // Atharvaveda 3.30.6: All the members of family should perform Yajna. //

    हे समानता की कामना करने वाले मनुष्यो ! आपके जल पीने के स्थान एक हो तथा अन्न का भाग साथ-साथ हो । हम आपको एक ही प्तेंपाश मे साथ-साथ बांधते हैं । जिस प्रकार पहियो के अरे नाभि के आश्रित होकर रहते हैं , उसी प्रकार आप सब भी केवल एक ही फल की कामना करते हुए अग्निदेव की उपासना करे ।

    //Atharvaveda 14.2.18: O woman, you should perform Yajna in Grihastha Ashram.//

    देवर और पति को कष्ट न पहुचाती हुई , पशुओ के लिए हितकारिणी ,श्रेष्ठ नियमो पर चलने वाली , श्रेष्ठ तेजस्विता -सम्पन्न ,संतानयुक्त वीर संतानों को जन्म देने वाली , पतिगृह मे देवर का कल्याण चाहती हुई , सुखदायिनी बनकर आप इस गार्हपत्य अग्नि की हवन द्वारा स्तुति करे

    जरा इसके पहले का श्लोक भी पढे ( 14.2 यह विवाह के समय के यज्ञ के विषय मे है )

    अथर्ववेद 14.2.17 हे वधू ! आप सुखकारिणी ,स्नेहदृष्टी से युक्त , कल्याणकारिणी , सेवा करने वाली , श्रेष्ठ नियमो पर चलने वाली ,वीर संतानों जन्म देने वाली , देवर के कल्याण की कामना करने वाली , पाती को क्षीण न करने वाली और शुभ अंतरभावना से युक्त हो , जिससे हम आपसे वृदधी को प्राप्त करे ।

    // Atharvaveda 14.2.25: O woman, perform Yajna with bliss.//

    मात्रत्व को धारण करने वाली इस स्त्री के साथ नानविध रूप वर्ण वाले ,गाय आदि पशु रहे । हे उत्तम मंगलमय स्त्री ! आप अग्निदेव के समीप बैठकर देवो को सुशोभित करे ।

    स्त्री और शिक्षा

    //Rigveda 6.44.18: The government should ensure that all boys and girls get good education, follow Brahmacharya and strengthen the society.//

    हे इंद्रदेव ! आप धनवान हैं । इन संग्रामो मे हमे सुखदाई बहुत सा धन प्राप्त कराए । आप हमे विजय प्राप्ति के योग्य सामर्थ्य प्रदान करे तथा पुत्र-पोतरों व जल वृष्टी से हमे समृद्ध बनाए ।

    // Rigveda 3.1.23: Smart people should ensure that all boys and girls become scholars.//

    हे अग्निदेव ! आप यज्ञादी कार्य के लिए अनेक सत्कर्मों के लिए और गौओ के पोषण के लिए उत्तम भूमी हमे प्रदान करे । हमारे पुत्र वंश की वृदधी करने वाले हों । आपकी वह सुमति हमे प्राप्त हो ।

    //Rigveda 2.41.16: All girls should receive education from scholarly women.//

    हे नदियो ,मात्रगणो ,देवो मे सर्वश्रेष्ठ माता सरस्वती ! हम मूर्ख बालको के समान हैं ; अतः आप हमे उत्तम ज्ञान प्रदान करे ।

    //Rigveda 1.152.6: The way mother nourishes her children with milk, scholars should nourish girls and boys with knowledge.//

    रक्षक गौए ( गाय ,वाणी , किरण ) अपने स्रोतो से ममतायुक्त उपासको को पोषण प्रदान करे । सदज्ञान के ज्ञाता आप ( मित्रा वरुण ) से उचित पोषण ( आहार व विचार ) मांगे । आपकी उपासना से साधक मृत्यु को जीत ले ।

    // Rigveda 2.41.17: All scholars should instruct their scholarly wives to educate all girls.//

    हे माता सरस्वती ! आपके तेजस्वी आश्रय मे ही सम्पूर्ण जीवन-सुख आश्रित है ,अतः हे माता ! आप पवित्र करने वाले यज्ञ मे आनंदित होकर हमे उत्तम संतति प्रदान करे ।

    // Rigveda 1.117.24: Teachers should ensure that they train boys and girls with highest levels of noble values and educate them and then return them to their respective parents.//

    हे अश्विनी कुमारों ! आप दोनों श्रेष्ठ दान दाता , औदार्यपूर्ण और नेत्रत्व क्षमता से सम्पन्न हैं । बांझ स्त्री को पुत्रदान देकर उसके हाथो को स्वर्ण संपदा को धारण करने योग्य बनाया । जो श्याव तीन स्थानो से घायलावस्था मे पड़े थे , उन्हेजीवन दान देने हेतु आप दोनों के द्वारा उत्तम ढंग से परिचर्या की गई ।

    // Rigveda 1.164.41: The woman who masters and teaches all the Vedas brings bliss in entire society. //

    गौ ( वाणी ) निश्चित ही शब्द करती हुई जलो ( रसो ) को हिलाती ( तरंगित ) है । वह गौ ( काव्यमाई वाणी ) एक ,दो ,चार, आठ, अथवा नो पदो वाले छंदो मे विभाजित होती हुई सहस्त्र अक्षरो से युक्त होकर व्यापक आकाश मे समव्याप्त हो जाती है ।

    [ इस ऋचा मे गौ का अर्थ सूर्य राशमियों से लिया जा सकता है । वे रसो को संचरित करती हुई सहस्त्र चरण वाली बनकर आकाश मे समव्याप्त होती है । ]

    // Rigveda 7.40.7: Scholarly woman that possess noble qualities should educate all women and bring happiness everywhere.//

    आप वशीष्ठों ने ध्यावा-पृथ्वी की सुनिश्चित स्त्रोतों से स्तुती की । यजन करने योग्य वरुण ,इन्द्र व अग्निदेव की भी स्तुती की गई । अन्नदाता देवता हमे पूजा ( श्रेष्ठ कार्यो ) मे प्रयुक्त किए जाने योग्य श्रेष्ठतम अन्न व धन प्रदान करे ।

    // Yajurveda 20.85: Scholarly woman should ensure that she educates other women and makes them also scholars.//

    उत्तम और सत्या वाणियो द्वारा सन्मार्ग की प्रेरणा देने वाली , कुमति को दूर कर सुमति को जगाने वाली सरस्वती देवी हमारे यज्ञ को धारण करती है ।

    // Yajurveda 34.40: The way dawn brings happiness among human beings, scholarly woman should bring happiness by educating girls.//

    अश्वो से युक्त ,गौ से युक्त ,वीर संतानों से सम्पन्न , कल्याण-स्वरूपा प्रभात वेला जिस प्रकार घृत युक्त दूध को प्रदान करती है , उसी प्रकार सम्पूर्ण दिशाओ को व्याप्त करने वाली प्रभात वेलाए ( उषाए ) हमारे अज्ञान रूप बंधनो को भी सदा हटाए । हे देवताओ ! आप सभी हमारी रक्षा करते हुए सदेव हमारा कल्याण करें ।

    //Yajurveda 6.14: Teachers should ensure that they inculcate noble qualities in their students (girls and boys) through dissemination of knowledge of Vedas.//

    हे याजक ! हम आपके प्राण ,वाणी,दृष्टी,श्रोत्र ,नाभि जनन्नेद्रिय ,गुदा आदि को शुद्ध करते हैं । इस प्रकार आपके चरित्र मे शोधन कर उसे यज्ञानुकूल बनाते हैं ।

    //Yajurveda 11.36: Parents should ensure good education of children – boys and girls – and then send them to scholars for a long period so that their enlighten the families and nation like sun.//

    देवा वाहक ,कार्यकुशल ,तेजस्वितायुक्त ,गतिशील अति तीक्षण ,मेधा-सम्पन्न ,श्रेष्ठ स्थान के निवासी ,सहसत्रों के पोषणकर्ता और अतिपावन अग्निदेव अपनी तेजस्विता को प्रगत करते हुए यज्ञवेदी पर सुशोभित होते हैं ।

    //Yajurveda 10.7: Government should put special efforts to make all women into scholars.//

    ( अकभिषेक के लिए पात्रो मे स्थापित ) यह जल आनंददायी ,येजस्वी,उत्तम कर्मा तथा पराजित न होने वाला है । यह आवास ( घर ) की तरह निवास प्रदान करने वाला , धारण करने वाला तथा माता की तरह पोषण देने वाला है । शिशुरूप यजमान आदरसहित इसे स्थापित करे

    Potentials of an educated woman

    // Rigveda 1.164.49: O scholarly woman, your knowledge provides us peace and bliss. You lead us to inculcate noble virtues. You provide us prosperity through your knowledge. May we obey your inspiration that you provide as a mother. A scholarly woman is mother of entire society.//

    हे देवी सरस्वती ! जो आपका सुखदायक ,वरन करने योग्य ,पुष्टिकारक , एश्वर्य प्रदाता ,कल्याणकारी विभूतियों को देने वाला स्तन ( स्वरूप ) है ,उसे जगत के पोषण के लिए प्रगत करे ।

    // Rigveda 2.41.16: O provider of great knowledge, O my mother through the nourishment of knowledge that you have provided, our life is scattered without you. Please provide us direction.//

    हे नदियो ,मात्रगणो ,देवो मे सर्वश्रेष्ठ माता सरस्वती ! हम मूर्ख बालको के समान हैं ; अतः आप हमे उत्तम ज्ञान प्रदान करे ।

    // Rigveda 2.41.17: A scholarly woman, the entire life of society depends upon you. You provide us the right knowledge. May you bring knowledge to all segments of society.//

    हे माता सरस्वती ! आपके तेजस्वी आश्रय मे ही सम्पूर्ण जीवन-सुख आश्रित है ,अतः हे माता ! आप पवित्र करने वाले यज्ञ मे आनंदित होकर हमे उत्तम संतति प्रदान करे ।

    // Rigveda 6.49.7: O scholarly woman, you purify our character. You have noble characteristics. You conduct noble actions. You have noble habits. We bow to your greatness that provides bliss to all.//

    जो सरस्वती देवी ,सुंदर, उत्तम आन डेबे वाली ,वीअरो का पालन करने वाली ,पवित्र करने वाली है , वे हमारे यज्ञ अनुष्ठान को धारण करे । देवांगनाओ सहित प्रसन्न होकर वे स्तोताओ को छिद्र रहित निवास प्रदान करे तथा उनका कल्याण करे ।

    //Rigveda 6.61.2: O scholarly woman, the way a river breaks away mightiest of hills and rocks, the scholarly woman destroys myths and hypes through her intellect alone. May we bow to women through our polite words and noble actions.//

    जो सरस्वती देवी अपने बलवान वेग से कमलनाल की तरह पर्वत के तटो को तोड़ देती हैं हम उन सरस्वती देवी की भक्ति करते हैं । , वे हमारी रक्षा करे ।

    // Rigveda 6.61.3: O scholarly woman, destroy the evil inside us through your knowledge and character. Gift us with knowledge of Vedas. O performer of noble actions, you provide us stream of knowledge in same manner as a river provides stream of water.//

    हे सरस्वती देवी ! आपने देवताओ की निंदा करने वाले को विनष्ट किया । आप उसी तरह कपटी-दुष्टो का नाश करे । मानवो के लाभ के लिए आपने संरक्षित भू-भाग प्रदान किए हैं । हे वाजीनिवती ! आपने ही मनुष्यो के लिए जल प्रवाहित किया है ।

    // Rigveda 7.96.3: O scholarly noble woman brings only happiness in society. She makes us knowledgeable and alert. She guides us like the mantras in Yajna and teaches us use of everything in world. //

    हितकारिणी सरस्वती देवी निश्चितरुप से कल्याण करने वाली हैं । सुंदर प्रवाहमान और अन्न देने वाली सरस्वती देवी हमे चेतन्य बनाए । आप जिस प्रकार जमदग्नि ऋषि द्वारा पूजित हुई हैं , उसी तरह आप वशिष्ठ से भी स्तुत्य हैं ।

    // Rigveda 10.17.7: Those who desire the society to become noble and powerful, they respect woman and please her. Those who desire virtues respect woman and please her. Those who respect woman obtain bliss, knowledge and happiness.//

    देवी गुणो के इच्छुक मनुष्य देवी सरस्वती का आवाहन करते हैं । यज्ञ के विस्तारित होने पर वे देवी सरस्वती की ही स्तुती करते हैं । श्रेष्ठ पुण्यात्माओ द्वारा देवी सरस्वती के आवाहन किए जाने पर , वे दानियो की आकांक्षाऑ को परिपूर्ण करती हैं ।

    //Atharvaveda 7.57.1: Whenever I am hurt by meanness of world or misunderstanding with others, a scholarly woman heals my wounds. (Because women possess the soft skills and emotional intelligence that is not naturally and easily available to men.)//

    मेरे जिन अंगो को याचित वस्तु के न प्राप्त होने से कष्ट हुआ है और इससे मुझमे जो आत्म-ग्लानि या हीनता के भाव आए , उन सबको देवी सरस्वती स्नेहपूर्वक दूर करें ।

    //Yajurveda 20.84: The scholarly woman purifies our lives with her intellect. Through her actions, she purifies our actions. Through her knowledge and action, she promotes virtue and efficient management of society.//

    सबको पवित्रता प्रदान करने वाली ,अन्न के द्वारा यज्ञादी श्रेष्ठ कर्मो को संपादित करने वाली सरस्वती देवी हमारे यज्ञ को धारण करे तथा हमे अभीष्ट वेभाव प्रदान करे ।

    //Yajurveda 20.85: Scholarly woman inspires us towards knowledge. She promotes conduct of noble acts in society.//

    उत्तम और सत्य वाणियो द्वारा सन्मार्ग की प्रेरणा देनी वाली ,कुमति को दूर कर सुमति जगाने वाली सरस्वती देवी हमारे यज्ञ को क्षारण करती हैं ।

    //Yajurveda 20.86: Scholarly woman rushes an exhilaration within us that comes only through knowledge. She enlightens our knowledge, applications and actions.//

    अनंत अन्तरिक्ष मे दिव्य रसो की वर्षा द्वारा सत्कर्म की प्रेरणा देने वाली सरस्वती देवी सभी की बुद्धियो को प्रकाशित करे ।

    इंग्लिश मे वो अर्थ जो अनार्य समाज के मूर्ख संस्थापक ने निकाला है और दूसरा सीधे वेदों से मेंने प्रभु की कृपा से निकाला है । में आशा करता हूँ की आप सभी उस अनार्य समाज के मूर्ख संस्थापक की मानसिक दशा भी सही तरीके से समझ जाएंगे । यह उसकी आर्य धर्म को दूषित करने की बहुत ही गहरी चाल थी । जिसको बागडोर कुछ मूर्ख सम्हाल कर बैठे हैं । उस अनार्य समाज के मूर्ख संस्थापक के विषय मे एक समय की घटना है जब अनार्यता का भूत उसमे जन्म ले रहा था । एक बार वो अनार्य एक राजयोग की किताब ले आया और उसमे दिए गए चक्रो के विषय मे पढ़ा और उसको उन चक्रो को शरीर मे देखने की उत्सुकता हुई । उसने नदी किनारे बहता एक मृत शरीर पकड़ा और उस लगा उसको चीर-फाड़ कर देखने । जब उसको उस किताब मे दिए चक्र उसकी मंद दृष्टी से नाही द्खाई दिए तो उसने राजयोग की महान किताब को गलत मान कर फाड़ दिया और उसी मृत शरीर के साथ बहा दिया । वो मूर्ख नही जानता था की जिन्हे चक्र कहा गया है वो शरीर मे रीड ही हड्डी से निकलने वाले ग्रंथियो के समूह ( गुच्छ ) है जो शरीर मे अलग-अलग स्थानो से निकलकर शरीर मे फ़ेल जाते हैं । इस तरह की ना जाने कितनी मूर्खता पूर्ण कार्य उस अनार्य ने किए हैं ।

    यह लिंक पर इसके प्रमाण देखें

    http://agniveer.com/3548/woman-foundation-of-knowledge/

    मेरा सवाल आप सब से यह है की क्या उस अनार्य की इस महान मूर्खता के प्रमाणित होने के बाद किसी भी तरह उसके किसी भी प्रमाण को सत्या माना जा सकता है

    यह फेसबुक की लिंक है http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created&&note_id=148624411857443

    यह सब अनुवाद मेंने वेदो से लिए हैं किसी को भी संदेह हो तो सीधे शास्त्रार्थ के लिए आमंत्रित करता हूँ ।

    • says

      1. Your language clearly shows that whatever you are writing is purely out of hatred and not out of reason.

      2. We have very clearly spelled out that we consider those who consider women to have inferior rights compared to women as greatest enemies of society. Especially if they claim to represent Hinduism today, we consider them as greatest cause of our downfall.

      3. Similarly those who justify birth-based caste system and disallow certain people from learning Vedas or having different levels of rights purely on basis of birth are a prime reason why we suffer as a society, nation and world. They are the enemies of humanity and of course Hinduism.

      This is our ideology and we have made it amply clear that we shall not entertain them on our site to spread their birth-based hatred and denigration of women.

      So, if you want to debate us first make your stand clear on these points:
      a. That you refute birth-based caste system that disallows certain people from accessing Vedas or temples or be priests etc.
      b. That you believe that women can also be priests and do ceremonies including Yajna. And that they have same rights and men to study Vedas etc.

      If this not be the case, you are yet another birth-enchanted egoist. There have been umpteen number of debates with such mindsets in past 125 years of writing of Satyarth Prakash. Due to that, already walls of casteism and women-subjugation are breaking. We do not consider debating such bigots a priority considering our other urgent goals that includes uniting all Hindus – regardless of birth – together and bringing back women to position of spiritual and intellectual leadership.

      c. As for your meanings of Veda Mantra, I don’t see how most of them refute the meaning provided by us. For example,

      //Atharvaveda 14.2.18: O woman, you should perform Yajna in Grihastha Ashram.//

      देवर और पति को कष्ट न पहुचाती हुई , पशुओ के लिए हितकारिणी ,श्रेष्ठ नियमो पर चलने वाली , श्रेष्ठ तेजस्विता -सम्पन्न ,संतानयुक्त वीर संतानों को जन्म देने वाली , पतिगृह मे देवर का कल्याण चाहती हुई , सुखदायिनी बनकर आप इस गार्हपत्य अग्नि की हवन द्वारा स्तुति करे

      You write it Garhpatya Agni Havan and we wrote it Yajna is Grihastha Ashram. Thus apart for twisting word, you have done nothing.

      Another example is use of Saraswati and Usha. We consider, among other meanings, it to mean an educated woman and enlightening woman. But you refuse to go to such meanings because you want to it mean a specific so-called goddess named Saraswati (there is no goddess Usha BTW) but do not want to extend that respect to women in general. It only exposes your hatred against women-rights.

      d. Thus the prime reason for your abusive post is your hatred against Swami Dayanand because he said that women and men have equal rights in matters of religion, society and polity and because he ripped apart birth-based discrimination.

      e. Thankfully, bulk of Hindus today, even if not Arya Samaji, vehemently support Swami Dayanand in these two aspects. VHP recently issued a statement that birth-based casteism is against Hinduism. It has started making women priests. RSS is promoting the same. Ramdev, Ravi Shankar, Gayatri Parivar, etc – all are working against these two greatest nuisances of our society.

      Thus your frustration is against equal rights for women and birth-based catseism.Thats it.

      But we shall not allow perpetration of such stupid perversion. Either clarify your stand on these or find some other location to vent your hatred. We have more pertinent things to do including COMPLETE ANNIHILATION OF CASTEISM AND BRINGING WOMEN – MATRU SHAKTI EVEN MORE AHEAD.

      f. As for your comments on veda meanings provided by Swami Dayanand, they are at best laughable. Aurobindo hailed Dayanand as the most competent person to have been able to unlock Vedic meanings even though he was not Arya Samaji. The directions given by Dayanand are the most logical ones and based on ancient Rishis’ work. The greatest Sanskrit scholars of recent times like Yudhishthir Meemansak and Brahmadutt Jigyasu have been Dayanand’s fans. Today there are hundreds of eminent Sanskrit and Vedas scholars who can debate any aspect of these translations anytime with anyone.

      All meanings in the articles of Agniveer are as per Swami Dayanand. We have also referred to works of contemporary scholars like Ramnath Vedalankar and Vidyanand Saraswati.

      g. As for your challenge for debate, well, Agniveer has other priorities than debate a casteist anti-woman person whom we consider worse than a terrorist. So kindly clear your stand first on these issues.

      Also send your qualifications and track record. We shall appoint a reputed scholar who is PhD or equivalent in Sanskrit or Veda related subject or a teacher in a gurukul or college of related subject for a face to face debate that would be recorded and then put on youtube. Also the debate would be open doors and you would be allowed to bring your video recorder as well.

      In the debate you would have to prove that Satyarth Prakash has lies in it and that is why you called in Asatyarth Prakash. If you cannot prove so, you would have to publicly apologize for your hatred.

      Please send your qualifications and contact details through contact link so that this live debate can be arranged.

      In any case, debate or no debate, we shall refuse to allow any comment from you and would even remove this one unless you clarify that you are against birth-based casteism and support women having right to study Vedas and have equal religious, social and political rights as men.

      Dhanyavad
      Admin

      • Harshavardhan says

        Vande Mataram ,

        Dhanyaavaad AgniveerJi , This guy looks so frusteted , you had made him silent .

        Btw please dont remove this comment . Let the other peoples know that they cant defete the truth. If some one calls SwamiJi bad t dosen’t mean that SwamiJi is bad .

        Let me tell one incident so that other peoples will also get to know about this guy. I had posted this in a group on facebook (coping this & making its note) . This guy replied that ‘ Please only post the things which are related to Dharma in this group . ‘ (He is the admin of that group.) So does he mean that Vedas are not releated to Dharma?

        Its an request to peoples who are like Vinek , Please keep your knowledge for your self , dont spread such a thing to make people hate/leave Hinduism .

        Dhanyavaad .

        Jai Hind.

      • Amitesh says

        This idiot is again caught translating Griffiths work.

        Here is the sample –

        He writes – Rigved 10.17.7 – देवी गुणो के इच्छुक मनुष्य देवी सरस्वती का आवाहन करते हैं । यज्ञ के विस्तारित होने पर वे देवी सरस्वती की ही स्तुती करते हैं । श्रेष्ठ पुण्यात्माओ द्वारा देवी सरस्वती के आवाहन किए जाने पर , वे दानियो की आकांक्षाऑ को परिपूर्ण करती हैं

        See what Griffith has written – The pious call Sarasvatī, they worship Sarasvatī while sacrifice proceedeth. The pious called Sarasvatī aforetime. Sarasvatī send bliss to him who giveth. Refer –
        http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10017.htm

        Now, the wise can judge what he has done !!!

    • Totagoto says

      Vinek Dubey,

      You have been exposed ! You write the Griffith’s translation in Hindi and challenge agniveer for shashtrarth. the world knows how these Missionaries like Max-Mueller, Griffith et al have wrongly translated the vedas and also given the Aryan Invasion Theory due to which we are are still divided because of those nefarious activities.

      Your shameful act is incomparable that you termed Swami Dayanand as Anarya and Griffith as Arya !!!

      Infact, now I have serious doubts if you are indeed defending hinduism or maligning it !!

      @other readers

      just a sample to see how he copy-pastes from griffith’s translation –

      He writes

      Yajurveda 34.40:
      अश्वो से युक्त ,गौ से युक्त ,वीर संतानों से सम्पन्न , कल्याण-स्वरूपा प्रभात वेला जिस प्रकार घृत युक्त दूध को प्रदान करती है , उसी प्रकार सम्पूर्ण दिशाओ को व्याप्त करने वाली प्रभात वेलाए ( उषाए ) हमारे अज्ञान रूप बंधनो को भी सदा हटाए । हे देवताओ ! आप सभी हमारी रक्षा करते हुए सदेव हमारा कल्याण करें ।

      Now see what that pervert Christian Missionary, Griffith has written –

      May friendly Mornings dawn on us for ever, with wealth of kine, of horses, and of heroes, Streaming with all abundance, pouring fatness. Preserve us evermore, ye Gods, with blessings

      You can find this perverted translation on – http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/wyv/wyvbk34.htm

  11. विवेक says

    @ सुबोध कुमार

    अथर्ववेद 5-17 ब्रह्मजाया सूक्त
    [ ऋषी- मायोभू , देवता-ब्रह्मजाया , छंद-अनुष्टुप ,1-6 त्रिष्टुप ]
    यंहा ब्रह्मजाया के विषय मे कहा गया है । इस सूक्त के देवता ब्रह्मजाया हैं । जाया का सामान्य अर्थ पत्नी से लिया जाता है , इस आधार पर अनेक आचार्यो ने इस सूक्त का अर्थ ब्राह्मण की एक निष्ठ पत्नी के संदर्भ मे किया है । यह ठीक भी है ; किन्तु मंत्रोक्त गूढ़ताओ का समाधान इतने मात्र से नाही होता , मनुस्मृती 9.8 के अनुसार जाया का अर्थ है -” जिसके माध्यम से पुनः जन्म होता है । ” ब्रह्म या ब्राह्मण का जन्म ब्रह्म विदध्या से होता है । ब्रह्म या ब्राह्मण ब्रह्म विदद्य के माध्यम से ही नव सृजन की प्रक्रिया आगे बढ़ाते हैं । अस्ति ब्रह्म जाया का अर्थ -ब्रह्म विदध्या करने से स्थूल व सूक्ष्म दोनों ही प्रकार के भाव सिद्ध होते हैं । उसी संदर्भ मे मंत्रर्थों को लिया जाना अधिक युक्ति संगत है ।

    अब इनके वास्तविक हिन्दी अर्थ देखे
    7- ये गर्भा अवपद्यन्ते जगद्‌ यच्चापलुप्यते।
    वीरा ये तृह्यन्ते मिथो ब्रह्मजाया हिनस्ति तान्‌॥ अथर्व 5-17-7
    Even female fetuses that are destroyed bring forth in the society an atmosphere of rampant violence where chivalrous, strong men start violence and fights among themselves. This is seen as the curse of female fetuses destroyed.
    जो गर्भपात ( अवांछनीय या विकासक्रम का क्षीण होना ) होते हैं । जगत मे जो उथल पुथल होती है तथा ( लोग प्रायः ) परस्पर लड़ते-भिड़ते हैं ,उन सबका यह ब्रह्मजाया ( ब्रह्मविद्धया ) नष्ट कर देती है ।

    8-उत यत्‌ पतयो दश स्त्रियाः पूर्वे अब्राह्मणाः।
    ब्रह्मा चे द्वस्तमग्रहीत्‌ स एव पतिरेकधा ॥ अथर्व-5-17-8
    But a fallen woman even if she has been exploited by tens of men, finally gets accepted in a proper marriage to a good virtuous man, she is rehabilitated as being married to one man.
    इस स्त्री ( ब्राह्मीशक्ति ) के पहले दस अब्राह्मण पति ( ब्राह्मण-संस्कारहीन रक्षक अथवा दस-प्राण दस दिक्पाल आदि ) होते हैं । किन्तु जब ब्रह्म चेतना सम्पन्न व्यक्ति ( साधक ) उसको ग्रहण करता है , तो वही उसका एक मात्र स्वामी होता है ।

    9-ब्राह्मण एव पतिर्न राजन्यो3 न वैश्यः।
    तत्‌ सूर्यः प्रब्रुवन्नेति पञ्चभ्यो मानवेभ्यः ॥ अथर्व 5-17-9
    Like the illuminating light of the sun on the entire earth, this fact should also be very well known in the world that all people must develop their intellect. Merely on the strength of acquiring a higher status of a ruler over men, or a big warrior or a big moneyed person in life, no body acquires the qualification to be a good parent to father a progeny by taking a wife.
    मनुष्यो के पांचों वर्गो ( समाज के सभी विभागो अथवा पाचो तत्वो ) से सूर्योदय यह कहते हुए विचरण करते हैं की ब्राह्मण ही इस का पति है । राजा (क्षत्रिय) तथा वेश्य (व्यापारी) इसके पति नाही हो सकते ।
    [ब्रह्म शक्ति केवल ब्रह्म निष्ठों के प्रति आकर्षित हो सकती है । उसका सामान्य प्रयोग भले ही अन्य लोग भी करते हो ]

    10-पुनर्वै देवा अददुः पुनर्मनुष्या उत । राजानः सत्यं कृण्वाना ब्रह्म जायां पुनर्ददुः ॥ ऋ 10-109-6 अथर्व 5-17-10
    In case of any female if kidnapped or exploited, it becomes the duty of the state to rescue her and rehabilitate her in the society with due respect.
    देवताओ और मनुष्यो ने बार-बार यह ब्रह्मजाया (ब्रह्मनिष्ठों) को प्रदान की है । सत्या स्वरूप राजाओ ने भी दुबारा शपथपूर्वक (संकल्पपूर्वक) इस सत्या निष्ठा को उन्हे प्रदान किया है ।
    [अन्य वर्ग उस ब्राह्मी चेतना को धारण करके उसको सुनियोजित करने मे असफल हो जाते हैं । अतः वे उसे पुनः ब्रह्मनिष्ठों को सौप देते हैं यभी उसका समुचित लाभ मिलता है ]

    11-पुनर्दाय ब्रह्मजाया कृत्वी देवैर्निल्बिषम्‌ ।
    ऊर्जं पृथिव्या भक्तवायो रुगायमुपासते ॥ ऋ 10-109-7 अथर्व 5-17-11
    Such women are considered innocent of any crime, and if need arises their rehabilitation should be at state expense.
    ब्राह्मी विद्धया को पुनः लाकर देवो ने बृहस्पति देव को दोषमुक्त किया है तत्पश्चात पृथ्वी के सारविततम अन्न (उयपाद) का विभाजन करके सभी सुखपूर्वक यज्ञीय उपासना करने लगे
    [दिव्य वाणी व यज्ञीय प्रक्रिया से भूमि पर पदार्थो के वर्गीकरण तथा सदुपयोग का क्रम चल पड़ा । यह प्रक्रिया बार-बार दुहराई जाती है ]

    12-नास्य जाया शतवाही कल्याणी तल्पमा शये ।
    यस्मिन राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-12
    Even the ruler protected/surrounded by hundreds of security force does not feel secure enough, to have a sound sleep in his chamber, in a Nation where females are commandeered/forced upon against their free will.
    जिस राष्ट्र मे इस ब्रह्मजाया (ब्रह्मविद्धया) को जड़ता पूर्वक प्रतिबंध मे डाला जाता है , उस राष्ट्र मे सैकड़ो कल्याण को धरण करने वाली जाया (विदद्या) भी सुख की शिया प्रपट नाही कर पाती (फलित होने से वंचित रह जाती है )

    13-न विकर्णः पृथुशिरास्तस्मिन्वेश्मनि जायते ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-13
    That nation/society becomes deaf/ignorant to the voice of the people and no intellectual scholars grow, where females are commandeered/forced upon against their free will.
    जिस राष्ट्र मे ब्रह्मविद्धया कोजदता पूर्वक प्रतिबंधित किया जाता है उस राष्ट्र के घरो मे बड़े कान वाले ( बहुश्रुत) तथा विशाल सिरवाले (मेघावी) पुत्र उयपन्न नाही होते ।

    14-नास्य क्षत्ता निष्कग्रीवः सूनानामेत्यग्रतः ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-14
    Chivalrous strong men do not show up in nations, where females are commandeered /forced upon against their free will.
    जिस राष्ट्र मे ब्रह्मविदद्या को अज्ञानपूर्वक प्रतिबंधित किया जाता है उस राष्ट्र के वीर गले मे स्वर्णाभूषण धारण करके ( गौरव पूर्ण ) लड़कियो अथवा सतपरम्पराओ के सामने नाही आते ।

    15-नास्य श्वेतः कृष्णकर्णो धुरि युक्तो महीयते ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-15
    By not being able to mount the horses in their chariots – to perform Aswamedh yagna – That nation/state loses face and influence in the world, where females are commandeered/forced upon against their free will.
    जिस राष्ट्र मे ब्रह्मजाया को दुराग्रह पूर्वक प्रतिबंधित किया जाता है , उस राष्ट्र मे श्यामकर्ण (श्रेष्ठ) सफ़ेद घोड़े धुरे मे नियोजित होकर भी प्रशंषित नाही होते
    [' अश्व ' शक्ति के प्रतीक हैं । ब्रह्म-विद्धया हीं समाज मे उन्हे श्रेष्ठ प्रयोजन मे नियोजित करने पर भी प्रगति नाही होती ]

    16-नास्य क्षेत्रे पुष्करिणी नाण्डीकं जायते बिसम्‌ ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-16
    Water bodies do not sport lotus flowers and the lotus flowers do not bear seeds to propagate themselves, – The environment suffers, where females are commandeered/forced upon against their free will.
    जिस राष्ट्र मे ब्रह्मविदध्या को जड़ता पूर्वक प्रतिबंधित किया जाता है , उस क्षेत्र मे कमाल के तालाब नाही होते और न ही कमाल के बीज उत्पन्न होते हैं ।
    [ससकृतनिष्ठ व्यक्तियों के लिए 'कमल' श्रेष्ठ प्रतीक है । ब्रह्मविध्या हीं समाज मे आदर्श व्यक्तियों का विकास नही होता ]

    17-नास्मै पृश्नि वे दुहन्ति ये ऽस्या दोहमुपासते ।
    यस्मिन्‌ राष्ट्रे निरुध्यते ब्रह्मजायाचित्या ॥ अथर्व 5-17-17
    Cows are no longer able to provide good quantities of milk, where females are commandeered /forced upon against their free will.
    जिस राष्ट्र मे ब्रह्मजाया को जड़ता पूर्वक प्रतिबंधित किया जाता है उस राष्ट्र मे दूध दुहने के लिए बैठने वाले मनुष्य इस गौ ( पृथ्वी ) से थोड़ा भी (निर्वाह योग्य ) दूध (पोषण) नाही निकाल पाते ।

    18-नास्य धेनुः कल्याणी नानड्‌वान्त्सहते धुरम्‌ ।
    विजानिर्यत्र ब्राह्मणो रात्रिं वसति पापया ॥ अथर्व-5-17-18
    Neither the cows bring welfare to society nor oxen get yoked, and without active participation of the women in the society, men are given to crime in night life.
    जिस राष्ट्र मे ब्राह्मण विशिष्ट ज्ञान रहित (या स्त्री रहित) होकर रात्री (अज्ञान) मे पाप बुड्ढी से निवास करते हैं उस राष्ट्र मे न तो कल्याण करने वाली धेनु (धारक क्षमताए) होती हैं और न्भार वहाँ करने मे समर्थ (राष्ट्र की गाड़ी खीचने वाले ) वृषभ उत्पान्न होते हैं ।

    यह अहि इसका सही अनुवाद गाय लिखा तो गाय पढलोगे क्या ? पत्नी लिखा तो औरत समझलोगे क्या ? मूरखों की तरह अनुवाद करते रहोगे और ब्राह्मणो को दूषित करने ल प्रयास करोगे तो क्या परिणाम होने वाला है अच्छे से पढ़ लो ।

    • Arya says

      विनेक अथवा विवेक जी
      नमस्ते. जैसे आपने वेदों के अर्थ सीधे प्यारे प्रभु धूम्रकेतु से प्राप्त किये हैं, वैसे ही उनसे पूछ कर अपना सही नाम भी बता देना. वैसे इन धूम्रकेतु नामक श्रीमहागणेश ने आप पर खूब कृपा की! जैसा कि आप लिखते हैं- “मेरे इस कार्य मे भी इन्ही देव की कृपा है”. पदे पदे दूसरे को मूर्ख लिखना और वेद मन्त्रों को श्लोक (!) लिखना इत्यादि दैवीय कृपा भी खूब रही! आप पर कृपा विद्वत्ता (!) की हो गयी और पाठकों पर हास्य रस की! अब जैसे लिखा है- “यह सब अनुवाद मेंने वेदों से लिए हैं किसी को भी संदेह हो तो सीधे शास्त्रार्थ के लिए आमंत्रित करता हूँ”, अपने आप में हास्य रस का भण्डार है. यदि अनुवाद वेदों में ही दिए होते तो आपको लेने (करने) की क्या आवश्यकता थी? यदि अनुवाद वेद में ही होता तो वह “वाद” ही रहता, “अनु” वाद न बनता! और इस पर शास्त्रार्थ का खुला आह्वान! आपकी वाणी के माधुर्य (!) और तेज के चलते कौन ऐसा नर पुंगव होगा जो आपकी इस चुनौती को स्वीकार कर सके? आपकी प्रतिक्रिया किसी विद्वान् की प्रति-प्रतिक्रिया की अपेक्षा तो नहीं रखती परन्तु और पाठकों के भ्रमोच्छेदन के निमित्त हम आपसे वार्तालाप करने को उद्यत हैं. परन्तु वार्तालाप से पहले यह अवश्य सिद्ध हो जाना चाहिए कि आप आर्य (विद्वान्) हैं अथवा दस्यु! क्योंकि विद्वान् के लिए वार्तालाप होता है और दस्यु प्रचंड बल के वेग से रौंद दिया जाता है.

      सर्वप्रथम यह स्वीकार कीजिये कि

      १. स्त्री व पुरुषों के व्यक्तिगत, सामाजिक, और आत्मिक अधिकार एक से हैं, किसी का न्यूनाधिक नहीं.
      २. मनुष्य मात्र को वेद पढने, विचारने व पढ़ाने का अधिकार है.
      ३. मनुष्य एक जाति है जिसमें वर्णों के विभाग उसके सामर्थ्य और कर्मों से होते हैं, जन्म से नहीं.
      ४. किसी भी जीव के प्रति द्वेष भाव रखना अथवा अकारण कष्ट देना धूर्तता है.
      ५. जो व्यक्ति या संस्था लिंग, वर्ण, जाति के आधार पर मनुष्यों के मौलिक अधिकारों जैसे पढना, विचरना, यज्ञ करना आदि का हनन करते हैं वे धूर्त, पाखंडी दण्डित करने योग्य हैं.

      इतना स्वीकार करने पर आपका मनुष्य होना सिद्ध होगा और तब आपसे विचार विनिमय किया जाएगा. तब आपसे कुछ दर्शन विषयक प्रश्न पूछे जायेंगे ताकि आपकी बुद्धि के स्तर का, जो अभी बहुत दयनीय अवस्था में दीख पड़ता है, मूल्यांकन किया जा सके और आपकी योग्यता के अनुरूप आपका समाधान किया जा सके. यदि उपरोक्त पांच बिंदु आपको स्वीकार्य नहीं तो आप स्वतः दस्यु सिद्ध होते हैं और मनुष्यता के विरोधी होने से दंडनीय भी. हमारा पूरा प्रयास ऐसे दस्युओं को जन साधारण के आगे हास्य व दंड का पात्र बनाना रहा है और परमेश्वर के आशीर्वाद से भविष्य में भी यही करने का निश्चय है.

      अंत में असत्यार्थ व सत्यार्थ दोनों के प्रकाशक, आर्य व अनार्य दोनों समाजों को दिशा दिखाने वाले, मूर्खों को विद्वान् बनाने वाले मन्त्रोपदेष्टा ऋषि दयानंद के शब्दों से लेख समाप्त करता हूँ-

      “मनुष्य उसी को कहना कि जो मननशील होकर स्वात्मवत अन्यों के सुख दुःख और हानि लाभ को समझे. अन्यायकारी बलवान से भी न डरे और धर्मात्मा निर्बल से भी डरता रहे. इतना ही नहीं किन्तु अपने सर्व सामर्थ्य से धर्मात्माओं-कि चाहे वे महा अनाथ, निर्बल और गुणरहित हों-उनकी रक्षा, उन्नति, प्रियाचरण, और अधर्मी चाहे चक्रवर्ती सनाथ महाबलवान और गुणवान भी हो तथापि उसका नाश, अवनति और अप्रियाचरण सदा किया करे अर्थात जहाँ तक हो सके वहां तक अन्यायकारियों के बल की हानि और न्यायकारियों के बल की उन्नति सर्वथा किया करे. इस काम में उसको चाहे कितना ही दारूण दुःख प्राप्त हो, चाहे प्राण भी भले ही जावें, परन्तु इस मनुष्यपनरूप धर्म से पृथक कभी न होवे. “

  12. विवेक says

    अग्निवीर जी आपने जो वेदों से अर्थ लिए बताए हैं वो पूरी तरह गलत है और अधूरे हैं । एक भी यदि सही है तो में आपको ही नही पूरे आर्य समाज को पूर्णतः वेदों पर आधारित शास्त्रार्थ के लिए चुनोती देता हूँ । बस इसके आगे और क्या बिलने को रह जाता है जब वास्तविक वेद सामने होंगे आपको सब समझ आ जाएगा । जनहा देवी सरस्वती लिखा है वंहा स्त्री पड़ते हैं । एक तरफ जकरिया नायक को वृषभ का अर्थ शक्तिबटाते हैं दूसरी तरफ सरस्वती का अर्थ स्त्री कहते हैं ।

    • says

      Namaste

      1. First make your stand clear on women and caste-system. Please refer previous comment by us and Arya. Only then shall we allow any future comment from you on the side.

      2. Please send us your qualifications and track record so that one can easily be convinced that you merit a serious debate. After that we shall forward it to official body of Arya Samaj – Paropkarini Sabha – so that a live debate can be arranged face to face with a scholar. We hope you also have a matching track record.

      When its a debate on technical aspects of Vedas, its meanings, roots of words etc, the scholar on both sides must be at least a PhD or equivalent in Sanskrit, who has studied 5 paaths of Panini- Ashtadhyayi, Dhatupath, Unadikosh, etc, Mahabhashya, Nirukta, Nighantu et al.

      The debate would be live and recorded for public circulation later. If you are unable to defend your claim of Arya Samaj vedic interpretation being Anarya or Satyarth Prakash being “Asatya Prakash”, you shall publicly apologize for your abusive time wasting nuisance.

      Regardless of the debate, we shall not allow any comment from you on the site till we get clarity on your views on birth-based caste system and women rights as discussed above.

      We stand by our view that Vrishabh stands for powerful/dynamic and Saraswati stands for a scholarly woman. Its a shame that some people would respect a divine goddess whom they have never ever seen as source of learning but would deny the opportunity to women in this world to master the Vedas and enlighten the world as Saraswati.

      Agniveer’s stand on these issues is very clear and we reiterate again:
      a. Women are source of all goodness and knowledge on earth. A scholarly woman is Saraswati and an enlightening woman is Usha.
      b. Woman have full rights to master all kinds of knowledge including Vedas and have full rights to conduct Yajna. Those who refuse to give woman such status today are disgrace in name of humanity and Dharma.
      c. Birth based Caste system is against Vedas. All persons become Brahmin, Kshatriya , Vaishya, Shudra as per their deeds and tendencies. Those who deny rights to so-called Shudra on basis of birth to study Vedas or become Brahmins based on their merits are greatest disgrace in name of Dharma.
      d. Agniveer is resolved to destroy the last remnant of gender and caste based discrimination on basis of birth.
      e. Whatever Agniveer is doing in this matter is based on Vedas.

      Agniveer has strong views on a large number of subjects. And we encourage debates on these. We also allow those opposing our views to share their thoughts and even condemn us.

      However caste system and gender-discrimination are two issues on which we shall not encourage even slightest deviation from our stand. We believe that supporters of these perversions are greater threats for nation, society, world and humanity in long run than all the fanatic terrorists put together. These perversions breed all the nuisance that we see in society.

      Thus, those who have views opposing our stand on these 2 issues are welcome to vent their thoughts elsewhere and not waste their time here. Thankfully the laws of most progressive countries consider speaking in support of birth-based discrimination and gender discrimination a criminal offense and we are fully in support of tightening these laws further.

      So Sri Vivek is advised to first make his stand crystal clear if he desires to share his views on Agniveer site.

      May Vedas prevail!
      Admin

      • Harshavardhan says

        Vande Mataram ,

        Vinek Ji ,

        Agniveer Ji had said ” it to mean an educated woman ” and you said that “सरस्वती का अर्थ स्त्री कहते हैं । ”
        There is difference between saying “educated woman ” and only “woman” . Everyone knows that Saraswati represents an educated woman . (Anyone who believes in existence of God or not will agree with this . )

        So your statements only shows that how good are you to play with words , to twist word.

        Please don’t spread such a thing to make people hate/leave Hinduism .

        Dhanyavaad

        Jai Hind.

  13. विवेक says

    अग्निवीर जी आपने जो वेदों से अर्थ लिए बताए हैं वो पूरी तरह गलत है और अधूरे हैं । एक भी यदि सही है तो में आपको ही नही पूरे आर्य समाज को पूर्णतः वेदों पर आधारित शास्त्रार्थ के लिए चुनोती देता हूँ । बस इसके आगे और क्या बोलने को रह जाता है जब वास्तविक वेद सामने होंगे आपको सब समझ आ जाएगा । संहिताओ की बात छोड़िए सीधे वेदो की बात कीजिए । जंहा एक अनार्य द्वारा स्थापित सस्था की लाश कंहा तक खीच कर ले जा सकते हैं देखता हूँ ।

    • says

      विवेक जी,
      आप पकडे गए . आप इसाई मिसिनरी राल्फ ग्रिफ्फित के अनुवादों को हिंदी में लिख रहे हो .
      यहाँ कोरी धमकियां मत दो , एक एक शब्द का अर्थ के साथ उसका मतलब बताओ . वैसे आपको वेद का कितना ज्ञान है ये इसी से पता चल जाता है की आप मन्त्रों को श्लोक लिख रहे हैं.
      आपको मन्त्र और श्लोक में फर्क नहीं पता और आप शाश्त्रर्थ करने चले हैं !!!

    • says

      “संहिताओ की बात छोड़िए सीधे वेदो की बात कीजिए”

      This shows that you know nothing about what is Vedas and what is not. You don’t know difference between Shloka and Mantra. You don’t know what is Samhita and what is Vedas. And you claim to be master of Vedas!

      Being abusive is not the right approach. We would request you to stop this hatred, gather humility and gain some more knowledge. Vedas are infinite ocean and there is lot for all of us to learn.

      • says

        namaste, Can your team provide word to word meaning of these slokas…i am not scholar ..i am just a student and asking because then anyone will say you all are missianaries and fanatic and showing wrong translations???….i have seen agniveer giving translation word by word in debate but not in all articles ….like this article…….

        • says

          Namaste

          Providing word by word translation increases the time for writing an article at least 10 times. We prefer to provide word by word translations only in cases where meaning implied is very deep or there is a key point for rebuttal. Because there is a lot of material to cover in future.

          No one provides word by word translation except in technical texts. For example, how many Veda translations available on net have word by word translation?

          However we do provide references. In this case, Works of Swami Dayanand, Pt Ramnath Vedalankar, Pt Jaydeva Shastri, Pt Priyaratna and many other Vedic scholars. You can review their works and check for yourself. Swami Dayanand’s translations for most Vedas are available online. Other books can be procured from vedicbooks.com. Specifically, please refer to Vedic Naari by Pt Ramnath Vedalankar.

          Please note that goal of our general articles is not to answer a court investigating a criminal case, but to provide inspiration and direction to common masses and ignite an interest towards Vedic mission. After that it is for each of us to discover and explore it further.

          We may provide word to word translations of all Vedic mantras in future if we are able to gather sufficient funds to undertake this project. But it appears to be not feasible in near term. We hope you understand our constraints and vision.

          Dhanyavad
          Admin

          • says

            ok i understand ……i found this site very useful and i hope this site can give real translations ..i will try my best to promote this site in BST group people…Why i found this site interesting is as Swami Ramdev and Shri Rajiv Dixit have always been saying that it was britishers who did all wrong translations and distorted our history and said vedas contain all basic knowledge of every field….
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    • Arya says

      अमितेश भाई ने हम सबका ध्यान इस महत्वपूर्ण तथ्य पर दिलाया कि विनेक/विवेक जी ग्रिफिथ के वेद भाष्य को हिंदी में अनुवादित कर उसे वास्तविक वेद बताते रहे! लगता है महाशय विनेक/विवेक जी के धूम्रकेतु नामक भगवान ग्रिफ्फिथ ही हैं जिनकी कृपा इन पर निरंतर बरस रही है. अब इन ग्रिफिथ रुपी धूम्रकेतु के विनेक/विवेक जी रुपी पुच्छल तारे लिखते हैं- “संहिताओ की बात छोड़िए सीधे वेदो की बात कीजिए”. पाठकवृन्द! सत्य कहना, हास्यरस का इससे बड़ा भण्डार कहीं देखा है? इन महाशय जी को यह भी नहीं पता कि वेद तो संहिताओं का ही नाम है! बाकी तो जो संहिताओं से भिन्न है वह ब्राह्मण आदि कहलाता है! यह तो ऐसा ही है जैसे कोई कहे कि अजी! जल को छोडिये, हम आज आपको पानी पिलायेंगे!

      ग्रिफिथ के अनुवाद को धूम्रकेतु नामक देव की प्रेरणा बताकर हिंदुओं को धर्मच्युत करने वाले इस ईसाई वेतनभोगी के रहस्योद्घाटन पर मैं भाई अमितेश व अग्निवीर को सब धर्मप्रेमी हिंदुओं की ओर से हार्दिक साधुवाद देता हूँ. साथ ही अग्निवीर से यह प्रार्थना करता हूँ कि वेदों पर कलंक लगाने के उद्देश्य से उनपर स्त्री उत्पीडन व जन्मना जाति व्यवस्था का ठीकरा फोड़ने वाले धूम्रकेतु ग्रिफिथ के इस मानस पुत्र पुच्छल तारे विवेक को आगे से कुछ लिखने का भी अवसर न दिया जाए जब तक कि वह जाति पाति व लिंग भेद जैसी पाशविक प्रवृत्ति से पृथक होकर सम्पूर्ण मानवता से क्षमा नहीं मांगता.

  14. says

    Comment by Vivek has been deleted. No comment from Vivek shall be allowed until he clarifies his stand on rights of women and birth-based caste system as detailed in earlier comments from Agniveer.

    Needless to say, his current comments were as illogical as his earlier ones.

    If he wants debate, we send forward his request to appropriate representatives after qualifications and contact details of debaters are made available by Contact link on site.

    But for any of his comments to be approved, he must first clarify his stand on issues discussd – women rights and birth-based caste system.

    Admin

  15. Vik says

    Namaste to All Admins and Guests

    Dear Agniveer Admin,

    please do look at the site below as one of the most important aspects of Vedic Dharma has been starting to take effect which is gain respect for women and declare all the rights they deserve. This site follows our Vedic philosophy which describes women to be the most powerful and foundation of knowledge. Lets hope everyone agrees with this site and spread the core teachings of Vedas.

    http://www.becauseIamagirl.ca

      • Vik says

        Namaste Brother Vajra,

        the link seems to open pretty well on my computer. If not, try google search, and search “because I am a girl”, when you hit search, you will see the title BECAUSE I AM A GIRL – ENPOWERING WOMEN WORLDWIDE

        hopefully it should work…and make sure it is .ca and not .com

  16. proof says

    @Agniveer

    please give scientific proofs on this you have written. It seems you always malign other religion to
    protect your own. you more like lobbyist then a messenger :D

    “It was the greatest misfortune that befell on our nation and society when we started considering women as commodity – either for sensual pleasure or for servile jobs. This did not happen in one day. The degradation of women started around 1000 years before Mahabharat. But after the Islamic invasions in middle ages, the status kept deteriorating like anything. And in sync with that, the society started becoming more and more weak, cowardly, impotent, tortured, mutilated and devastated. “

  17. proof says

    @Agniveer – looks more like fabricated text written by you. please english traslations reference with this below verses stated.

    1. Which government was running and you referring to during the time Vedas were revealed :P.

    2. How do you define smart people?

    3.” nation like sun” from Yajurveda 11.36 – What does it mean? Please explain. Mr anti-materialistic

    Rigveda 6.44.18: The government should ensure that all boys and girls get good education, follow Brahmacharya and strengthen the society.

    Yajurveda 10.7: Government should put special efforts to make all women into scholars.

    Rigveda 3.1.23: Smart people should ensure that all boys and girls become scholars.

    Rigveda 2.41.16: All girls should receive education from scholarly women.

    Yajurveda 11.36: Parents should ensure good education of children – boys and girls – and then send them to scholars for a long period so that their enlighten the families and nation like sun.

    Rigveda 1.152.6: The way mother nourishes her children with milk, scholars should nourish girls and boys with knowledge.

    Yajurveda 6.14: Teachers should ensure that they inculcate noble qualities in their students (girls and boys) through dissemination of knowledge of Vedas.

    Rigveda 2.41.17: All scholars should instruct their scholarly wives to educate all girls

    • says

      Namaste proof

      0. Scientific proof for what?

      1. Please dont compare Vedas with the history books like Quran and Hadith. Vedas talk about principles and not people. Vedas teach how to behave and not who behaved how!

      2. Smart people can mean intelligent and noble.

      3. Its not nation like sun, but it is- “they enlighten the families and nation- like sun.” So women are compared with enlightening sun that enlightens families and nation.

      • proof says

        @Vajra oops the busy body

        Q1 since you are confident to write, .so pls proof me how women are compared with sun?
        what @ man then?

        “3. Its not nation like sun, but it is- “they enlighten the families and nation- like sun.” So women are compared with enlightening sun that enlightens families and nation.”

        Q2. Scientific proof for government exists during Vedas and women status kept deteriorating after islamic invasion? What Mahabharata has got to do with Vedas?

        • says

          @proof

          ——–how women are compared with sun?———

          Just like Allah is compared with olive oil and a glass cover on a lamp in Quran :)

          ———what @ man then?———

          What is the logic behind asking about men on the page dedicated to women?

          2. Please refer point 1 of my previous comment.

          In case you again fail to understand the point, please visit http://schandgroup.com/book_cd_details.asp?Cd=11808&BC=B and do the needful.

          Dhanyawad

    • Dharma Somashekar says

      vedas were not something to be given , BY some GOD to some MESSENGER , they are realised from within and rishis who have realised this , have give this Gyan and they are called VEDAS … meaning KNOWLEDGE .
      Problem is you will not understand unless some person comes saying he is the only messenger of GOD , .This is the only book .. and quote from this only book. Tell me is god so incapacitated ,that he needs a messenger to talk to his own children? If every one are children of GOD ,why is he so partial to only one .AND again these vedas are NOT dictations , which if we do not follow, will be sent to hell or outcast .
      and if you are looking for authentic source for Gyan.. keep searching , good luck .

  18. Mohan says

    I asked a question to the author of this post whether he really knows how to interpret the Vedas and that he had ever studied Yaska’s rules of interpreting the Vedas or has he did across Shaunaka muni’s anukramAnika which aids a student in the interpretation of the Vedas. Somehow my post seem to have been deleted.

    • says

      Dear Mohan, If you review other posts in the site, you would find that anukramanika and Nairukta vedarth prakriya has been liberally used in deriving interpretations. However these are not the only methods for interpretation of Vedas. Yaska himself enlists several other methods. Adhidaivat, Adhyatm, Aarsh, Parivrajak, Adhiyajna, Nairukta, Vaiyakaran, Naidan, Aetihasik, Akhyan. There are also methods mentioned in Vedas themselves. We request you to review some books of Agniveer teachers for more on this. Vaidik Vangmaya ka Itihas by Pt Bhagvadutt and Vedbhashyakaro ki Vadarth Prakriyaen by Dr Ramnath Vedalankar. Dhanyavad. Admin

      • Mohan says

        Dear admin

        I do understand there are three different interpretations – adhyamtic, adhidaivik and adhibhautik. Arsa etc are traditions. Regarding Rg Veda mantra II.6.5 you have said that mother and daughter if performed Yajna together attain bliss. Now what method of interpretation have you used and how sure you are that yours is a correct interpretation.

        Regards
        Mohan

        • Mohan says

          My contention is, in the above mantra you have interpreted “literally” and seemed to have not followed any particular method of interpretation and have concluded yourselves that woman can perform Yajna themselves, i.e., “all” women can recite Vedic mantras. I would want to know how you can justify your “literal” interpretation and a self-derived conclusion based on that.

          • says

            Dear Mohan,
            Kindly be clear with your viewpoint. If it is that women don’t have rights to do Yajna, then you are on a wrong forum. Because we do not even entertain such anti-woman thoughts and consider it criminal. We would request you, in that case, to refrain from commenting on this site in lines with our Comment Policy. Kindly review the Comment Policy and Terms of site for further details.

            If you agree that women have rights to do Yajna, then regardless of our interpretations, we are on same path, and hence any debate is not worthwhile for us, given our priorities.

            As for this particular mantra, we have referred to Sayana’s explanation to support our view. This, though a Yajnik interpretation, is in lines with Vedic ideology that emerges from mantras in entirety.

            The first precondition of understanding Vedas is an intellectual unprejudiced mind that can rationally think. Vedas themselves say that what can Richas do for someone who has no intellect. And regardless of various methods of understanding Vedas, the bottomline is a Yogic mindset brimming with intelligence, rationality, ability to understand holistically instead of just looking at mantras in piecemeal basis etc. And most importantly, they must be in sync with own inner voice, and common sense. We interpret Vedas as per these, and they are perfectly in line with scholars and teachers who have taught us the same and are considered luminaries in this field.

            Dhanyavad
            Admin

  19. Mohan says

    Women of course have right to do Yajna and we have performed for my daughter, my wife and for other women, but it is not by reciting mantras themselves. There will be an ahgnihiotr or a udgatri priest who recites the mantras but the phala of it goes to the ones who are performing it. My point is that a woman can be a yajamana but not a hotr herself. There are issues with Sayana’s commentary on Rg Veda. And so is with Dayananda Saraswati too (I know you might not like my words). I really cannot fathom when you say that it is only for those who rationally think. While rationality on one side, if we were to interpret and follow what occurs to us intuitively or rationally, then any philosophy we derive out of such intuition becomes a personal philosophy but Vedas proclaim in unison a universal philosophy, applicable to all three periods of time.

    BTW what is agniveer’s stand on this – whether Vedas are monotheistic or polytheistic?

    • says

      As we said, we strongly not only believe that women can recite mantras, we encourage and train women to be master of Vedic mantras. We are associated with many such gurukuls and are proud of many women teachers and priests that we can suggest as wiser and more competent than most male teachers we are aware of.

      We also consider it a ridiculous thought that I eat the food, and phala goes to someone else. Needless to say, our analysis of Vedas term it blatantly anti-Vedic. We request you to review all our posts on Vedas and Women. If you agree with them, we heartily welcome you as a partner. If you disagree, we request you to ignore us.

      For us, we would utilize our energies in spreading Vedic mantras among more and more women than debate on this issue. So in lines with our zero-tolerance policy on women and caste issues, we refuse to allocate time to these discussions.

      Our view on Vedas can be found from our articles. However more than monotheism and polytheism, our focus is not social issues. We prefer to discuss monotheism or polytheism also with only those mindsets that are unprejudiced enough to encourage Vedas among women and all castes of people.

      Dhanyavad
      Admin

      • Mohan Suswaram says

        “We also consider it a ridiculous thought that I eat the food, and phala goes to someone else”

        Now you “considering” something ridiculous or not is no arbiter that what you are saying is a truth. When my baby falls sick, I recite mantras and do a japa for her to get well. My baby is not reciting any mantra but it is me who does it and she gets well. Now tell me that when I am doing somthing and my baby gets its phala, how can this be ridiculous?

        “We are associated with many such gurukuls and are proud of many women teachers and priests that we can suggest as wiser and more competent than most male teachers we are aware of.”

        Competency is not the question here. A woman might be competent at cooking but a male cook can out do her. That’s not a point to discuss at all. Of the gurukuls that you have mentioned where the female teachers and students recite vedic mantras, do they follow the rajaswala dharma? What do they do during those 3 days of the month? Continue their vedic recitation and teaching or will give a break? In Vedic times, girls do not go to school those 3 days. How about these modern gurukuls? Generally following rajaswala dharma is mandatory for a girl just like it is mandatory for us to perform yearly ceremony for the dead ones. I am very curious to know about what women do in these gurukuls during that period.

        And still, you have not answered my query on the Rg Veda mantra which you have only interpreted “literally” and concluded yourselves that women can be a hotr too. I would like to see some
        unambiguous (niravakAsa) statements from Vedas themselves which say that they can be a “hotr”. Do not quote me some xyz’s book, which can very well be author’s own (sometimes baseless) opinions. Show me from the Vedas themselves that a woman wears a darbha grass and acts a hotr.

        • Sanatan Dharma says

          @Mohan Suswaram
          ________I recite mantras and do a japa for her to get well. My baby is not reciting any mantra but it is me who does it and she gets well___________
          There is no need of doctor and Medicines if baby can be cured by reciting mantra. Though it is different matter if vibration of Mantra can have some impact on mind on child. If it can happen it is scientific thing.
          ____do they follow the rajaswala dharma? What do they do during those 3 days of the month____

          This is a lie women were not allowed to go in Gurukul due to impurity during periods. Many women were preacher and priest who used to live in Gurukul all the time like Gargi.
          _________I would like to see some
          unambiguous (niravakAsa) statements from Vedas themselves which say that they can be a “hotr”____
          In Veda there is no statement where women were refused to be Hotra. Can you give me any reference/Mantra.

          • says

            Thanks for the reply brother. We are however banning Sri Mohan because some of his future comments are full of unimaginable superstitious prejudice against women. We, as per our zero tolerance policy towards denigration of women, cannot allow discussions on this any further. Any discussions with prejudiced minds, that denigrate women as such inferiors, is futile. For Agniveer, we don’t mind much if someone questions our theological beliefs. But our religion lies in respect and equal social, political and religious rights for women. So anyone invading our site, despite clear instructions in Comment Policy and Terms of site, and insulting women amounts to gross insult of our religious sentiments. Such people, who consider that women have inferior rights compared to men, are requested to showcase their views, that we term extremely prejudiced and perverted, elsewhere and respect our right to express our views on our own site.

            To reiterate for everyone who may consider our stand a bit restrictive, please note that Agniveer welcomes differences in viewpoints and rarely moderates comments etc. But on matters of discrimination on basis of gender, birth, race, personal faith in spheres of social, political, religious and spiritual rights, we have a policy of zero tolerance. To us, these prejudices are equivalent to crimes of terrorists and even more dangerous, because such prejudices breed the conditions that give rise to terrorism. And just as you do not debate or discuss with terrorists, we adopt the same policy with regards to this form of intellectual terrorism.

            Each time we come across a Damini being raped, or Ajmal attacking Mumbai, or stories of how a Ghazni could loot India and capture our women 17 times, we can relate to how this prejudiced mindset led to downfall of this great society and made it so vulnerable. Agniveer stands for total annihilation of gender-based, caste-based and faith-based discrimination so as to restore the original glory of this great nation. Those who support us are most welcome. Those who do not, are requested to find a different site to counter us, than spam our territory.

            A society that does not respect and provides due rights to its women is a haven of scoundrels – Manu.

            Admin

          • dogra says

            Agniveer, no doubt your team is doing a fantastic job, but at times in order for us ‘humble’ foot soldiers to spread the message of one caste: human , clear gender equality, dignity of labour to all functions, we will require verses numbered and translated in English from the sanskrit shown as well, to show the full facts to the doubters

            Thanks

          • says

            Dear Brother, We are working on that as well. For example, in each article, we give English translation with references. But making translation for each word would be an ambitious task. We do aspire to take it in near future when we have more resources.

  20. dogra says

    Agniveerji, there was discusion on BBC ASIAN NETWORK, as regards women not allowed in temples during their periods-menstrual cycle, is there scriptural verses that support this or not
    thanks

    • says

      Not in Vedas for sure. In earlier era, during periods there was health and hygiene issues with regards to women for obvious reasons. Hence it was strongly recommended that women stay away from heavy work and take rest. It was not the era of sanitary napkins, modular kitchen, automotive, gas and lighter etc. Life was tough for most women during menses. Hence the recommendations. Vedas are beyond such time bound recommendations and give generic rules applicable at all times. Hence they do not contain such things.

    • Hrishi says

      @Dogra ji

      The reason comes in SriMadBhagavatam. The 3 days is for the fact that they are effected by BrahmaHatya Dosha; hence they should desist from any spiritual errands.

      There is absolutely no link to physical hygiene as propagated by “buddhi jeevis” :)

      • Ankur says

        @Hrishi : what is brahma hatya dosh and how does a dosh appear our of nowhere and for no reason and goes off after three days?

  21. Hrishi says

    Namaste,

    It’s been 3 days since I put up an response to the main article; it’s not been approved.
    Could you please check it.

    • says

      Dear Hrishi, The response was considered as a justification for denial of rights of women to study Vedas. This being against the core ideology of Agniveer, the moderators decided to not approve the comment. Please note that on topics of rights to vedas for women and those born in any caste, Agniveer has an uncompromising stand in favor of equality and justice. We take special initiatives to break barriers of caste and gender in social, religious, political and spiritual matters and disallow promotion of any ideology contrary to this. We hope you understand our sentiments in this matter. Thanks.

      • Jay Arya says

        why not address his question agniveer it will help hindus know the truth and teach them t defend hinduism and vedas

        • says

          Dear Jay, We would write specially on this. We have also addressed it in several articles. Debating on such obviously wrong issues starts creating more confusion. Please note that Agniveer is not here to prove its point, but to go a step ahead and implement the change.

          • Ankur says

            @Hrishi: Women achieve the same Moksha without reading Vedas. While dwijas have to do adhyayana and elaborate pooje; women get the same merits of the pooja by helping out for the pooja.
            Please give the reference for this from the veda. or is it too from the glorious bhagvatam.

        • Hrishi says

          @Jay,

          This site believes in information suppression, a small excerpt of the article is below.

          Oppression accussation is a very narrow minded approach focussed on just the fact the women should not read Vedas. Oppression would have been true; if women would not have been any knowledge and there is a condition that without knowledge there is no moksha. Also if they had forbidden women without alternative paths; that would have been oppression.

          Oppression case is null and void; because
          1. Women get Moksha
          2. Women have better facilities for Sadhana
          3. Women have their own syllabus.

          • Hrishi says

            One more excerpt …

            “Before shouting “discrimination” for the fact that women cannot read Vedas;
            let us take a step back; the main purpose of Vedas and pooja is getting Moksha. Now women have never been denied moksha; hence the concept of discrimination does not apply here. Women achieve the same Moksha without reading Vedas. While dwijas have to do adhyayana and elaborate pooje; women get the same merits of the pooja by helping out for the pooja.”

          • says

            This is indeed such flawed logic. Let us see the loopholes:
            1. Who came and did Akashwani that women have a different syllabus than men and need not read Vedas for Moksha? If indeed God wanted to prohibit Vedas for women, he would have made women blind if they read them or dumb if they hear a mantra. But nothing of that sort happens. Hence this belief that Vedas are not required by women is itself created by some man. There is no proof that it is divine. Why should we believe it?

            2. The issue is not about whether women have a easier and better syllabus or not. The issue is whether women even have a choice, if we were to believe in these syllabi of superstitious forces? By this logic, one can even claim that women do not even need to read or write as they will get Moksha without study.

            3. When vedas are the best creation of God, why deny women from them? I may claim that all people who call themselves Hrishi should be banned from internet because they will get Moksha even without that. So we have easier syllabus for them that does not require them to use technology.

            4. There is a very simple benchmark-set about finding if something is Vedic or not. A. that claim must be in Vedas themselves and not from some other book.
            B. the claim must be intuitive and logical. If anything defies logic, that means you are not thinking rational enough to understand Vedas.

            Read our articles on Vedas and Women. Vedas clearly proclaim that women are the best creation of God and vedas are the best creation of God. When women study and teach Vedas, there is bliss and prosperity. When women are denied Vedas, the society becomes foolish and is infiltrated by terrorists, criminals and invaders and becomes a Hell. Look at the history of India, and one would understand what it implies.
            If Hinduism has to survive and become strong, it has 2 throw 2 vices into dustbin without any soft-corner. 1. Casteism on basis of birth 2. Differential rights on basis of gender.

            Throw away these foolishnesses and unleash the legend within. Else keep shouting about discrimination against Hinduism, atrocities of last 1000 years, conspiracy against Hinduism etc, and nothing will happen. If you really want to be strong, throw the cause that brings AIDS in your body. Casteism and Gender discrimination are worse than AIDS.

          • Mohan Suswaram says

            “There is a very simple benchmark-set about finding if something is Vedic or not. A. that claim must be in Vedas themselves and not from some other book.
            B. the claim must be intuitive and logical. If anything defies logic, that means you are not thinking rational enough to understand Vedas. ”

            Two questions Sri Agniveer:

            1. Can you show FROM the Vedas where it is written that there is such a benchmark?
            2. Can you show FROM the Vedas where it is said that to understand them one has
            to be intuitive and logical?

            Please be true to your name “agni-veer” and respond to this. Do not censor this citing your preset terms and conditions.

            Cheers
            Mohan Suswaram

          • says

            Nice joke. So you imply that illogical minds can understand Vedas? Your questions themselves validate our point.

            1. If there is no such mention in Vedas, how you can claim that a particular thing is in Vedas? For example, if someone claims that Einstein said speed of light is less than speed of sound, then obviously he should eb able to show that this claim exists in any work of Einstein. Else you ignore it as frivolous.

            2. Why Vedas? To understand anything, one has to be logical and intuitive. But for more dogmatic minds, refer Yajurved 34.5 that says all vedas are embedded in our mind in same manner as spokes around center of wheel. So Vedas are within you and not a knowledge poured from outside. Then refer Yastanna Ved Kim Richa Karishyati. I dont recall the verse number. It means, if you dont have intellect, what use is Ved Mantras.

          • Ankur says

            @Mohan : that’s the point mere chanting and reciting the richas of the veda dont help anyone, it has to be assimilated in ones being and that being is neither male nor female.
            Aum

        • Ankur says

          @Hrishi,
          I have read your first comment, the only thing you say is “As per Bhagvat….” i could read that, but could you explain the logic behind the same?

          • Ankur says

            @Hrishi: Is this the insanity you are referring to from glorious bhagvatam.(6.9.4 – 6.9.9)
            1) Viswaroopa the son of Thwashta was recruited as the ‘guru’(priest) fore the gods in place of Bruhaspathi, when Bruhaspathi was hidden himself because of the insult made by the Indra. Viswaroopa was killed by Indra in a cheating war, then the Indra was attacked by the Brahma-hathya Dosha’.

            So now indra was suffering from the ‘brahma-hathya Dosha’. After some time he asks Bruhaspathi for solution, then Bruhaspathi said ‘if there is any body to share that, then you’ll be relieved and you should give some boons to the person’

            The following shared the Brahma-hathya Dosha of indra in the following manner.
            1. Earth (prithvy)
            2. Trees (vriksha)
            3. Sea (samudra)
            4. Ladies (sthree)

            Earth shared the sin and releases the sin in the form of “fuller’s earth (choudu mritthika)” and got the boon that the earth will be filled or become closed even after the excavations.

            Trees shared the sin and releases the sin in the form of ‘gum’ and got the boon that they can grow even they cut.

            Sea shared the sin and released the sin in the form of ‘foam/froth’ and got the boon the at the sea cannot cross the sea shore (generally, not in some cases).

            Ladies shared the sin and releases the sin in the form of ‘menstruation’ every month and got the boon that they can give birth to children from menstruation.

          • Ankur says

            do you sincerely believe that before this event the reproductive cycle of women was different?Come on brother wake up and read the Veda in the true sense and stop insulting intelligence, sanity and Hinduism as a whole.

  22. Mohan Suswaram says

    “Please note that Agniveer is not here to prove its point, but to go a step ahead and implement the change.”

    But how do you know that what you are going ahead with is correct. It may be correct to you but not for others who also vouch by the Vedas. You have not even started debating but make a statement about going ahead and changing. This is not a level playing field.

    • says

      Dear Mohan, We have already debated, analyzed and formed our opinion. Now is the time to bring change. We choose to focus our energies there. Time is limited, resources are limited, energies are limited, so we have to prioritize. In same manner as you do not debate on whether you should give the paper or not, while in middle of your 3 hour final exam. But yes, we do encourage those who differ from our stand – that women and people from all castes based on birth have same political, social, religious and spiritual rights & opportunities – to refute us or write against us or counter us freely anywhere in cyberspace or even beyond it. We strongly encourage counterviews in public domain. You may start a new site, debate on various discussion groups, publish in magazines, etc to find loopholes in our stand and offer alternate explanations. We fully support and endorse such criticisms. And if we find something relevant to revise our stand, we will do so by all means. But indulging in debates on such topics is no more our agenda, given our list of priorities currently. We would prefer to use this time to destroy the very roots that give rise to such debates on matters of equality and respect for women and humans from all births. Dhanyavad.

  23. zalak bhavsar says

    Dear Agniveer,
    May God bless your entire team for the efforts you are making. Your comments are succinct, and very powerful. I am taking your Sanskrit lessons (inspired to read the vedas myself one day), only one request to make: is it possible for your team to provide a pronunciation key?

  24. prof N.M.KHANDELWAL says

    agniveerji i need your help. i am doing research on foundations of knowledge society in rigveda. i need relevant verses from rigveda with complete reference. may i presume the prayer to scholarly woman is prayer to goddess SARASWATI?prof. n m khandelwal, academic director, nathdwara group of institutions, nathdwara, india.

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