Women in Vedas

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Women are accorded the greatest respect in Vedas. Still, ignorant semi-literate communists keep propagating the false propaganda that Vedas demean women. Presented here are verses from Vedas obtained from texts of most learned scholars in this field to establish the truth.

Atharva Ved

Atharva 11.5.18

In this mantra of Brahmcharya Sukta, it is emphasized that girls too should train themselves as students and only then enter into married life. The Sukta specifically emphasizes that girls should receive the same level of training as boys.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 8

Girls should train themselves to become complete scholars and youthful through Brahmcharya and then enter married life.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya, Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 413-414)

Atharva 14.1.6

Parents should gift their daughter intellectuality and power of knowledge when she leaves for husband’s home. They should give her a dowry of knowledge.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 8,9

When girls ignore external objects and develops foresight and vibrant attitude through power of knowledge, she becomes provider of wealths of skies and earth. Then she should marry an eligible husband.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya, Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 654)

Atharva 14.1.20

Oh wife! Give us discourse of knowledge

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

The bride may please everyone at her husband’s home through her knowledge and noble qualities.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 660)

Atharva 7.46.3

Teach the husband ways of earning wealth

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

Protector of children, having definite knowledge, worth thousands of prayers and impressing all directions, O women, you accept prosperity. O wife of desrving husband, teach your husband to enhance wealth.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 804)

Similar meaning

(Book: Atharvaved ka subodh bhashya (7-10 chapters), Author: Sripad Damodar Satvalekar, Page 97)

Atharva 7.47.1

Oh woman! You are the keeper of knowledge of all types of actions (karma).

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

O woman, you provide us wealth and prosperity.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 804)

Similar meaning:

(Book: Atharvaved ka subodh bhashya (7-10 chapters), Author: Sripad Damodar Satvalekar, Page 98)

Atharva 7.47.2

Oh woman! You know everything. Please provide us strength of prosperity and wealth

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

O woman! You enhance our wealth and prosperity

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 805)

Similar meaning:

(Book: Atharvaved ka subodh bhashya (7-10 chapters), Author: Sripad Damodar Satvalekar, Page 98)

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Atharva 7.48.2

Oh woman! Please provide us with wealth through your intellect

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

Scholarly, respectful, thoughtful, happy wife protects and enhances wealth and bring happiness in home.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 806)

Similar meaning:

(Book: Atharvaved ka subodh bhashya (7-10 chapters), Author: Sripad Damodar Satvalekar, Page 99)

Atharva 14.1.64

Oh woman! Utilize your vedic intellect in all directions of our home!

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

O bride! Reach the home of scholars and bring bliss and happiness by ruling your home

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 678)

Atharva 2:36:5

Oh bride! Step into the boat of prosperity and take your husband beyond the ocean of worldy troubles into realms of success

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 12, 13

O bride! Step into the indestructible boat of prosperity and take your husband to shores of success.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 219)

Atharva 1.14.3

Oh groom! This bride will protect your entire family

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13

O groom! This bride is protector of your entire family. May she dwell in your home for a period and sow seeds of intellect.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 80-81)

Atharva 2.36.3

May this bride become the queen of the house of her husband and enlighten all.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13

Similar meaning as above

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 218)

Atharva 11.1.17

These women are pure, sacred and yajniya (as respected as yajna); they provide us with subjects, animals and food

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13

These women are pure, sacred, worth being worship, worth being served, of great character, scholarly. They have given subjects, animals and happiness to the entire society.

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 352)

Atharva 12.1.25

Oh motherland! Give us that aura which is present in girls

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13

May we have the same aura and prosperity as in women!

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 480)

Atharva 12.2.31

Ensure that these women never weep out of sorrow. Keep them free from all diseases and give them ornaments and jewels to wear.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 13-14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 507)

Atharva 14.1.20

Hey wife! Become the queen and manager of everyone in the family of your husband.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 660)

Atharva 14.1.50

Hey wife! I am holding your hand for prosperity

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 672)

Atharva 14.1.61

Hey bride! You shall bring bliss to all and direct our homes towards our purpose of living

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 677)

Atharva 14.2.71

Hey wife! I am knowledgeable and you are also knowledgeable. If I am Samved then you are Rigved.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 708)

Atharva 14.2.74

This bride is illuminating. She has conquered everyone’s hearts!

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 14

May the bride be victorious and prosperous!

Similar meaning

(Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi, Page 709)

Women-in-Hinduism

Atharva 7.38.4and 12.3.52

Women should take part in the legislative chambers and put their views on forefront.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 23

Rigved

Rig 10.85.7

Parents should gift their daughter intellectuality and power of knowledge when she leaves for husband’s home. They should give her a dowry of knowledge.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 9

Rig 3.31.1

The right is equal in the fathers property for both son and daughter

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 21

Rig 10.159

A women speaks after waking up in morning, “My destiny is as glorious as the rising sun. I am the flag of my home and society. I am also their head. I can give impressive discourses. My sons conquer enemies. My daughter illuminates the whole world. I myself am winner of enemies. My husband has infinite glory. I have made those sacrifices which make a king successful. I have also been successful. I have destroyed my enemies.”

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 24

The sun has gone up; my prosperity and happiness also have mounted high. Quite sure, I have regained the love of my husband, triumphing over my rivals.

I am the emblem, I am the head, I am supreme and now I dictate; my husband must conform to my will; rivals now I have none.

My sons are destroyers of my enemies; my daughter is a queen; and I am victorious. My and my husband’s love has a wide reputation.

O enlightened, I have offered that oblation which has been offered by the one, the most illustrious and thus I have become renowned and most powerful; I have freed myself from my rival damsels.

I am free from rivals; I am now the destructress of rivals, victorious and triumphant; I have seized other’s glory as if it were the wealth of weaker dames, who do not endure long. I have gained victory over these my rivals, so that I have my imperial sway over this hero and his people.

(Book: Rgveda Samhita, Vol XIII, Author: Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati & Satyakam Vidyalankar, Ved Pratishthana, New Delhi) Page 4697

Appendix to above hymn (Page 4813) of same book:

Saci is the Rsi as well as the devata of the hymn. Saci is the Queen-Empress of the State or the Queen on her own accounts in a democratic state (the lady-President, or the Lady-Prime Minister of the State). Her sons and daughters are also dedicated to the State.

Rig ved 1.164.41

One ved, two ved, or four ved along with ayurved, dhanurved, gandharved, aarthved etc in addition with education, kalp, grammar, nirukt, astrology, meters i.e the six vedaang should be attained by the clear-minded woman, which is equivalent to the crystal-clear water and spread this diversified knowledge among the people.

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)

O men and women! A scholarly woman who has practiced or teaches one, two or four Vedas or four Vedas and four upavedas, along with grammar, etymology etc and spreads knowledge to whole world and removes ignorance of people is source of happiness for entire world. A woman who studies and teaches all parts of Vedas brings progress to all human beings

(Book: Rigveda Bhashyam, Part III, Author: Dayanand Saraswati,Vedic Yantralaya, Page 382,383)

Rig ved 10.85.46

Like wise in so many other mantras a woman has been presented to play an essential role in family and as wife. Similarly she has been given the lead stage in society works, in governmental organizations, and for ruling the nation is also mentioned inVedas.

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)

 

Rigevda contains several Suktas containing description of Usha as a God. This Usha is representation of an ideal woman. Please refer “Usha Devata” by Pt Sri Pad Damodar Satvalekar as part of “Simple Translation of Rigveda (Rigved ka subodh bhashya)”. Page 121 to 147 for summary of all such verses spread across entire Rigveda. In summary:

  1. Women should be brave (Page 122, 128)
  2. Women should be expert (Page 122)
  3. Women should earn fame (Page 123)
  4. Women should ride on chariots (Page 123)
  5. Women should be scholars (Page 123)
  6. Women should be prosperous and wealth (Page 125)
  7. Women should be intelligent and knowledgeable (Page 126)
  8. Women should be protector of family and society and get in army(Page 134, 136)
  9. Women should be illuminating (Page 137)
  10. Women should be provider of wealth, food and prosperity (Page 141- 146)

Yajurved

Yajur 20.9

There are equal rights for men and women to get appointed as ruler.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Chapter 1: Women in Vedic Dharma, Page 24

Yajur 31.11

In this mantra the Brahman, kshatriya, vaishya and shudra are there in each human body. Brahmin from the head, king from the shoulders, vaishya from the thigh, and shudra by feet. The progeny of the shudra through his karma(actions) can grow to be a Brahman.

(Book: Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavrat Vedavachaspati, Gurukul Kangri University)

Yajur 16.44

There should me a women army. Let the women be encouraged to participate in war.

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)

Yajur ved 10.26

In this mantra it is enforced that the wife of ruler should give education of politics to the others. Likewise the king do justice for the people, the queen should also justify her role.

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)

Yajur ved 30.15

(Book: Vagambhraniya, Author: Dr Priyamvada Vedbharti)

Bibliography

  1. Mera Dharma, Author: Priyavart Vedavachaspati (Hindi)
    Publisher: Prakashan Mandir, Gurukul Kangri University, Haridwar
  2. Book: Rgveda Samhita, Vol XIII, Author: Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati & Satyakam Vidyalankar, Ved Pratishthana, New Delhi
  3. “Usha Devata” by Pt Sri Pad Damodar Satvalekar as part of “Simple Translation of Rigveda (Rigved ka subodh bhashya)”, Swadhyaya Mandal,, Aundh
  4. Atharvaveda-Hindi Bhashya Part 1 and 2, Author: Kshemkarandas Trivedi, Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, Delhi
  5. Atharvaved ka subodh bhashya (7-10 chapters), Author: Sripad Damodar Satvalekar

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  1. suparswa chakraborty says

    I was not aware of such rich thoughts in our criptures being a teacher I am going to put this in the university notice board.

    • deepak says

      @agniveer sir i have a question about women in vedas
      :MANU SMRITI (BIBLE OF HINDU RELIGION ABOUT WOMEN)
      Inequality and degradation of women are sanctified in the Hindu religion. Manu Smriti
      says:
      Never trust a women
      Never sit along with the women Even if it is your mother
      She may tempt you.
      Do not sit alone with your daughter,
      She may temp you.
      Do not sit alone with your sister
      She may tempt you.
      (If you are a good Brahmin, you must read this to your mother sister and daughter).
      Again the same Manu Smiriti continues
      ‘Nothing to be given to your mother
      and everything to be given to your wife”
      (Can’t you realize tat today’s “WIFE” is tomorrows “MOTHER”?)

        • deepak says

          and sir tell me which manu smriti is right?
          every comming year our vedas are changing(editing) by hindu scholar i have seen there are many people saying that aur vedas are edited by hindu scholar so it means that hidu dharma is becomming man made?

          • says

            It seems you have not read carefully. And which scholar changed Vedas, we are not aware of. The vedas that we know are same for last whatever years humanity can think of. A more specific reference would help, else it appears like a fake profile trying to spam.

          • Raj says

            Hinduism has not grown like tree but a forest. If you don’t like one scripture for example “Manu Smriti”, disregard it completely and throw it into dustbin.

            There are a lot many scriptures, vedas, upanishads etc. read them and you’ll learn a lot.

            here’s formal course in university on religion, explanation. I hope it’ll help.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eV93Ii7xVI

            “Do not be led by others; awaken your own reason; amass your own experience; and decide for yourself your own path.”
            ~ Atharva Veda

  2. says

    I dont know whether this has been written or not
    But honestly feel this is how it should be

    Then why in history we have not seen any significant contribution from the part of women be it philosophy,science,literature,politics,music,art

  3. K says

    I’m overwhelmed! Such respect to women? One can easily note that the Vedas clearly consider women to be more intelligent, capable and responsible. Salutations!
    Today’s Hindus, including me can only bang their heads with disappointment of making a mess of such a rich great tradition.
    Thanks Agniveer for enlightening me. Honestly, I was completely unaware of all this.
    But this book ‘Mera Dharma’. Um…. is it in anyway a translation of the Vedas?

    • says

      Mera Dharma is currently out of print. The book summarizes various aspects of Vedic Dharma, backing them up with evidences from Vedas. This material, as in the article, was part of a case prepared for Delhi High Court against Delhi University. The university had a course for BA students called Gender Studies where they alleged that Vedas denigrated the status of women. But before we could reach the court, Delhi University, whom a notice was served with this material as annexure, quickly changed the course completely removing all references to Vedas and Ancient History. The Allied Publishers stopped publication of the book and the authors, supposedly famed indologists, apologised for the content.

      The case was not a victory, but a matter of shame that we were so irresponsible to have completely ignored the great treasures of our ancestors. And continue to ignore it despite suffering tremendous troubles and ignominy of all sorts!

      One of the prime reasons for our downfall was ignoring the Vedic advice for treating women. We either treated them as inferior or objects of pleasure. And until we rightly bring them to level of respect, dignity and leadership, no society can be blissful.

      • VikramAditya says

        Dear Agniveerji,

        “”One of the prime reasons for our downfall was ignoring the Vedic advice for treating women. We either treated them as inferior or objects of pleasure. And until we rightly bring them to level of respect, dignity and leadership, no society can be blissful.””

        Very true.

        But I would like to raise a question here; there must be some code of practice for women as well for men, in Vedas?

        For example, In recent times to abolish dowery practice, govenment put in place strict laws, majority in favour of women. But there had been way to many reported cases, where such rights were (are) abused by women.

        The idea of respect, dignity and equality is very nobel and must be taught and practiced in all quarters of the society, both by men and women. However, it must be ensured no one abuses their rights and the one found guilty must be penalised, be it men or women. Are there any verses in Vedas pertaining to the Ideal code of Conduct for men and women??
        Just out of curosity, please answer at your own time, Agniveerji.

        Thanks,
        Dhanyawad

      • deepak says

        i have read these line from internet .how can you explain this to me
        Brahmas daughter Sarasvati- (Brhadaranyaka)
        Brahmas daughter Sarasvati said to herself, After begetting me from his own body, how could he copulate with me? I know — Ill hide myself. So she became a cow. But he became a bull and copulated with her. From their union cattle were born. Then she became a mare, and he a stallion; she became a female donkey, and he, a male donkey. And again he copulated with her, and from their union one-hoofed animals were born. Then she became a female goat, and he, a male goat; she became an ewe, and he, a ram. And again he copulated with her, and from their union goats and sheep were born. In this way he created every male and female pair that exists, down to the very ants. Then he churned like this and, using his hands, produced fire from his mouth as from a vagina. As a result the inner sides of both these — the hands and the mouth — are without hair, for the inside of the vagina is without hair.—

        • himanshu says

          Secondly, Saraswati is not Brahma’s daughter.But, yes Brahma did create a wife out of his own self for his 10 sons, Prajaptis.

        • sreejith says

          As per Quran, Allah created everything. Adam and Eve were his creations. that means Adam and eve are his son and daughter. So they became brother and sister. This pair did commit incest and for their children Adam was their father and uncle at the same time And Eve was their mother and Aunt at the same time!!!. These children had sex between them. Complete brother-sister incest.. Allah created their children too. that means he was their grandfather and father at the same time!!! So as per Quran whole world is incest-ridden And Allah is committing highest number of incests.. Dont u agree?

          • anil says

            Bro seerjit as I am a student of comparative religion there is not a single verse of Qur’an who tells that Adam is god’s son….
            And its the last word one lord who has written vedas ,upnishad,god of guru nanak dev hi,and all the religious book that has ever reveled till the send day….

  4. Sanjay says

    All delusion of ill educated society. Anyone with access to Swami Dayanand translation of Vedas knows that one can easily dispose that the Vedas contain nothing denigrating to women. In fact the vedic culture is first to say women should be educated , and women are knowledge, they are strength and they should fight, as we can see the Durga Mata, to Swarswati Mata . But this country is made of criminal with poor education who only give illiterate opinions without any reference. As today we are still struggling with dark ages where destruction of educational system and law order people don't read nor they care to find things from the source.

    I was very troubled by reading some books of general knowledge about Vedic Age first they said that Soma was a alcoholic drink and insult all Hindus as the implication they were drunkards, those very people who practiced self-controlled, but just reading simple Charak Samitha about Soma you find it is a plant that is well described and that from its juice Soma is made that gives some medical benefits to those who drink like better vision, long life, good youthful looks, akin to the fountain of youth. But it is for them to qoute a westerner and that too a christian and criticize Hindu dharma without reading any further for it was Max Mullier who said and so it be according to fanatic christian no matter what great people have said and what other literature says insult education because there is lack of libraries and the reading habit is non-existent to look up and find weather such degrading insult to Hindu dharma are true Indian learns a trade as Indian is very streamlined person, and Indian education does not teach how a person should prove that what he says is true.

    Now according to Hindus Sata Yuga started around 3.8 million years, . with the first Man named Manu and his progeny was named after him as we see in every language that man is named after manu proving his decent like in English man, and similarly in other languages too..
    The joke of the must be said when a concocted statement is accepted as fact ignore the Hindu time line which states that humans have been living for millions of years. That the Ramayana which list the place of Ram Sethu is the exact same spot which it exist today, and MahaBharat which talks of Mythical Dwarka is under the sea at the exact place where it speaks. Such coincidence including science and scientific proof that man has been living on earth for millions of years show this fanatical time line that is traced to the religions of Christian/Muslims that the world is five thousand years old and the earth is flat mentality speaks ill when we cant believe what our ancestor thought but believe in genociders thieves and rascals.

    Such is the state of culture that we regard to thieves and barbarians like the British till this day don't of regular bathing, who destroyed the remnant education system, and made a streamline education that denigrates Hindus and since they know nothing but a trade even after studying in college they are passive and cant read and are illiterate that they pay more for basic things then first world countries(USA) like petrol, and electricity and get less service then Afro-countries, and they can do nothing because of poor quality of education that thought them only a trade. As British was thief as Mangal Pande had to pay Bribe to secure his post in the British government and from there we paying a bribe for position,and a bribe for marriage. such is the backwardness of this country.That we st

    They forget how British genocide over 3.5 million people called the artificial Bengal Famine for power. People forget how they used kill revolt and burn their village with people in it. They forget how they destroyed the British historical village of Indraprast, and Harpana. All things to British were secondary for lust of power. they made Indians beggars and did everything to denigrate them.They destroyed Indian Industries cut the hands of weavers so they could make simple cloth. Even to pass a exam a student must degrade Hindu Dharm. More Strange of civil service exam such question as to who were the Vice Roy of India as if we have yet not won Independence. Yet.people regard them for teaching how to steal, to teaching how to pay a bribe for position, and last creating an unnatural dowry system where a women buys a husband. We still are ran by the last remainder of British empire that is Nehru dynasty and Babus.

    • shweta says

      i completely agree with each word you have written, but not many of Indians today know it or either realise it, even if they realise, they don’t bother to create awareness…..but the big question in my mind is ,how??

    • dharmendra singh rana says

      There is no conclusive proof that the underwater remains found are actuallythe dwarka of krishna. And ramasethu is a natural formation not man made.
      “Now according to Hindus Sata Yuga started around 3.8 million years” – this flies at the face of the facts. If satyuga started at 3.8 million years ago, then it implies there were humans dwelling on earth at that time who incidentally as per the descriptions of yuga were very virtuous. But if had taken little pains to investigate, the huans have been on this planets only for last 200,000 years.

      And as to good references as well as bad references to women in vedas, at best you can say that the texts are inconsistent and contradictory about position of women.
      The great ancient hindu society is a delusion. You may want to cook up as many stories as you want but the truth remains that those societies in ancient times were more or less as good as any other contemporary societies. You can find advances philisophies in west too during the duration when vedas and purana were written.

  5. says

    Dear Merve,

    Two days ago you were claiming to be great fan of Upanishads and have now started quoting adversely from them! That reveals your true intent. Coupled with the fact that your knowledge of Sanskrit is non-existent, you merely try to showcase the translations of western indologists which is not more than crap. Coming to your current set of evidences, the first point is that for us only Vedas are evidence. That is why the title of the article is "Women in Vedas". Kindly cite even one verse in all 4 Vedas which denigrate women. Please do not provide Griffith translations anymore, by the way.

    We are honest enough to proclaim that if in all scriptures, anything is found to be against Vedas, we believe it to be worth outright rejection. This proclamation is valid for all scriptures on earth. We go a step ahead and state that if you can cite even one verse in Vedas that denigrate women, or propose inequality among people, or condemn people because of their birth, or contains things against established science, or are contradictory, we are willing to even reject the Vedas. Can you dare to make the same proclamation for Quran? Can you proclaim that you shall reject Quran because it considers a woman to be half as intelligent than man?

    By the way, the translations produced by you are completely erroneous by the way. You have misinterpreted "Sasrije" to mean create. In reality, this is also used for "to bring in order". The Hindi word "Sajavat" is sourced from it. The first shloka says that during initial stages of civilization, women got civilized first and hence they formed the foundation of civilization. Thus one should revere or respect the women.

    The second verse is in Putramanthakarma Brahman or section specifically dealing with child-production. The context of the shloka, as well as meaning of the words are completely opposite to whatever you have copied from a western indologists. There is no concept of beating involved here. Because as per Vedic culture, both wife and husband should be happy during this process to produce healthy children.

    Any further discussions can happen only when you agree that if Quran or Hadiths show that women are inferior, anywhere, you would at least reject that particular verse as adulteration. We agree to reject entire Vedas, if you can show the same in Vedas.

    Dhanyavad
    Aditya
    AEB

  6. says

    Namaste

    Let us not discuss Satapatha here. That is not subject matter of this article nor we claim that Satapatha is divine. (This does not mean that Satapatha means what you want to imply) but just that this would cause unnecessary digression. For us only Vedas are the final authority. So let us discuss the mantra you have quoted from Rig veda.

    The mantra means totally the opposite and states that Mind of women is very dynamic and one should not attempt to control it forcefully. So in reality, this mantra is the mantra for women liberation movement. Vedas state that one should not try to control women the way Quran or Bible does or even Hindus do due to bad habits inherited from Muslim rule. The meaning given by you is imaginary and seems to come from a believer in Bible or Quran.

    Aditya
    AEB

  7. Jagdish says

    Agniveerji, In bangladesh some so called 'Hindu' reformists are saying Giving father's property to Daughter is Anti-vedic.
    How can i counter them? It is really disgusting when Govt. Is planning to make a law which will give equal portion of property to man and woman Islamic terrorists say it is anti Quran and hence equal right to woman will let them to hell.

  8. Merve says

    Agniveer,

    I admit that there is wife beating in Quran. But there is wife beating in Upanishads also. Here is different translations BY HINDU SWAMIS (Not western indologists)

    "VI-iv-7: If she is not willing, he should buy her over; and if she is still unyielding, he should strike her with a stick or with the hand and proceed, uttering the following Mantra, 'I take away your reputation’, etc. She is then actually discarded." (Swami Madhavananda)
    http://www.astrojyoti.com/brihadaranyakaupanishad

    • Merve says

      Here is another translation by another Swami:

      "If she does not willingly yield her body to him, he should buy her with presents. If she is still unyielding, he should strike her with a stick or with his hand and overcome her, repeating the following mantra:
      "With power and glory I take away your glory."
      Thus she becomes discredited" (Swami Nikhilananda)
      http://sanatan.intnet.mu/upanishads/brihadaranyak

      So everbody from indologists to Hindu swamis, translate this verse as "beat her/hit her/strike her". Do you have Dayanand's translation of this? If you don't I would like to see your own translation ofthis verse if you don't accept all of the translations I showed you

      • says

        Refer the previous comment. There is no need for us to search for translations because we are allied to Vedas and Vedas alone, and not to any other text. So kindly bring evidence from Vedas alone. Not the Upanishads whom we ourselves claim to be true only to extent that they comply with Vedas.

        Aditya

    • says

      Namaste

      So you agree that Quran has wife-beating. Can you proclaim that you reject the Quran because it supports wife-beating?

      As for your translation of Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. first thing is that for us only Vedas are evidence. Other texts including Brahmans, Upanishads, Ramayan, Mahabharat, whatever are evidence only if they comply with Vedas. Hence,
      a. We disagree with the translation provided by whatever Swami name you have provided. Madhavananda or Nikhilananda, whosoever he may be, it is evident from the original shloka text that the translation is blatantly wrong and the translator has poor understanding of Vedic concepts and language.
      b. In the event that any Upanishad does indeed contain any material against Vedas, we clearly proclaim that we reject those verses as trash. For us anything is acceptable only if it is as per Vedas.

      So in summary, we reject these verses/meaning as trash and challenge you to provide a single evidence from Veda Samhitas that denigrates women. Further, we would want you to proclaim clearly that you also reject the Quran and Bible in same manner as we reject the Brihadaranyak Upanishad, if it contains wife-beating or any other episode of women-denigration. This would be necessary to take discussions ahead, as you have claimed allegiance to Islam and started the discussions by praising Upanishads.

      Dhanyavad
      Aditya
      AEB

      • Vimal Rathinasamy says

        Agniveer,
        I am aware that the Vedic scriptures are classified into Shruti & Smriti, in which Shruti is the Original and Authentic. If so then both Vedas & Upanishads come under Shruti only. Can we believe in Upanishads, being from Shruti canon?
        Kindly explain me what exactly is the difference between Vedas and Upanishads and if we can follow Upanishads or not.

        Vimal.

  9. Amit says

    Merve is a Fundamentalist Christian who's only intent is to degrade the great Vedas. It is not unsual to see Christians making such proposterous claims while they don't read the Bible and see what kind of things the Bible writes about women.

  10. says

    Good points about ‘women in Vedas’ have been raised in this articles, but some more work is required. Today also, several people are misquoting several things from Vedas on the basis of rejected translations.

  11. redterror says

    What about Niyog ? I have heard in many parts of India ,The Muslims are converting Hindus ,By spreading Misconceptions about Niyog…….Kindly Enlighten

      • redterror says

        Niyog ::::::: One system claiming Ved as Vulgar !

        Respected Sir,

        My real name is Dalit Khan ,But U can call me redterror

        I hv been in debate with my Hindu Brothers & sisters & all of them could not reply to my single question leaving me winner !

        So,to end my winning streak I hv come to u …hope u would answer my question

        The topic is Niyog :::::

        Rig Veda Defining Niyog ::::

        _______________________________________________________________________________
        If a husband is not capable to produce sperms (i.e. Impotent) ,then he have the right to order his wife

        To copulate with other man to beget a child [RigVed Mantra 10 Sutra 10)

        _______________________________________________________________________________

        Now my Questions ::

        Question 1 ::Isnt it true ??? Called As Niyog Pratha ??

        Question 2::Is this what “MANTRA 10 SUTRA 10 ” says ??

        Question 3 :: Like “Ram” means Sun & Moon(Ra + Ma) Doesnt Niyog means ” Wife Exchanging Rituals” ? Yes or No ??

        Question 4 ::If not what does it mean ??

        _______________________________________________________________________________

        Plz dont take me to a vulgar whimp

        Do answer AGNI sir,

        Dont stay Locked & Blocked ,Fire & Fleet ……

        • says

          Answer 1: This is not true.
          First there is no concept of order in marital relations in Vedas.
          Second, Niyog was a social custom for an emergency situation which was applicable only when all other options of getting a child – including adoption – had been exhausted and getting a child was necessary for couple for any valid reason.
          Third, it could happen only if the society permits this. This cannot be independent decision of couple alone.
          Fourth, this is exactly that was practiced in all societies of world including Islam. For example, Hazrat Ismail was born when Hazrat Ibrahim impregnated his slave. Hazrat Muhammad got his son from Maria who was his slave and not one of his multiple wives.

          Answer 2: No, the mantra only says that if someone does not consider himself to be able to perform his duties in a dual relation, he should allow the other person to seek other partner. This is a very broad principle that can apply in all situations of life – business partnership, master-servant, king-subject or marital relationship etc. Earlier people have tried to interpret this to justify Niyog and avoid prostitution. But Vedas do not get into such details.

          Answer 3: Vedas do not have any word like Niyog. Niyog was a social custom invented for those times where people wanted a child to protect their property, have safety in old age etc but were unable to get a child due to some reason. Niyog literally means a union. It is understood to mean a temporary appointment. This is social custom and not a word from Vedas.

          Answer 4: In any case, even the social custom of Niyog was to PROHIBIT wife exchanging and hence means exactly opposite of what you seem to perceive.

          In today’s society, when variety of new methods of fertility as well as options for adoption exists and the concept of patriarchal kingdoms has vanished, Niyog is not more applicable even as a social concept, in same manner as one need not wear dress of hide-skins when you live near a tailor shop and have money to by dresses.

          • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

            @Redterror : Besides , the Rik Veda also say that if at all the women has taken a second man as the new husband(under the condition of first husband being impotent), her first husband cannot have any physical relation with her and he acts as her brother in relation.

          • redterror says

            Ur Reply :::: *)

            No, the mantra only says that if someone does not consider himself to be able to perform his duties in a dual relation, he should allow the other person to seek other partner. This is a very broad principle that can apply in all situations of life – business partnership, master-servant, king-subject or marital relationship etc. Earlier people have tried to interpret this to justify Niyog and avoid prostitution. But Vedas do not get into such details.

            My Doubts::::*)
            Can u plz post the Shlok ??

            Ur Reply::: *)In any case, even the social custom of Niyog was to PROHIBIT wife exchanging

            My Enquiry ::::

            “No, the mantra only says that if someone does not consider himself to be able to perform his duties in a dual relation he should allow the other person to seek other partner”

            Sir I m still under some doubts

            Lets take the maritial aspects into account while discussing this lines

            So if the husband is finding himself incapable ,Then will he divorce his wife to free his wife or Divorce is not essential ???

          • says

            1. You have raised the doubt so you must know the mantra (not shloka). Otherwise what is the purpose of this discussion

            2. Vedas will not talk about things like divorce and khula and coming back to old husband after accidental talaq once a woman had sex with another husband. Vedas give broad principles and urge you to follow them to extent that you find it appealing to your conscience as per prevailing situations. Please do not bracket Vedas in league of Quran that was applicable only to a tribal Arabic society.

            3. I fail to understand what makes you focus on something that is neither advocated by Agniveer, nor practiced by anyone following Vedas nor considered essential to achieve any Heaven by anyone? Did you find Agniveer demanding you to do Niyog? Since your doubt relates to a concept that is not relevant today, the only way for you to get the answer is by discussing with those who still live in that society.

          • says

            Please note that this site is not about discussing non-existent social customs. I believe you are in wrong place to discuss this topic. Agniveer has clearly mentioned that Vedas are beyond social customs and rituals. If, however, you find a significant number of people practicing Niyog or polygamy or sex-slavery in name of Hinduism or Islam, then perhaps it becomes a valid point of discussion.

          • redterror says

            Respected Sir,

            My real name is AgniRaj Chatterjee,I live In Assam,Gauhati..There is a very deep reason why i came here with a Muslim name as Dalit Khan

            Few days ago,I saw one guy(Muslim) spreading vulgarity about our Vedic Culture
            I cudnt stop my anger & started abusing him & his religion(Islam) too…

            Then during that vulgar debate or abusive war of words he suddenly came with the topic Niyog

            “If a husband is not capable to produce sperms (i.e. Impotent) ,then he have the right to order his wife

            To copulate with other man to beget a child [RigVed Mantra 10 Sutra 10)”

            He typed the above post

            After that,I thought within myself ,can this be true ?? How can the most sceintific culture of this humanity hv such kinds of law ???THe culture that is the most legally applicable in
            human society can hv such kinds of law ???

            This point started to demoralise me & i thought of converting to other religion & leaving
            our Vedic warrior Culture

            I thought now which religion to embrace ?? Islam ??? Islam is more perversive ,
            Christianity ??? I hated Christian ideology

            Then i thought to embrace Buddhism…For two days,48 hrs My mind splitted up in two parts ….

            One was saying “Quit Hinduism,Embrace Buddhism”

            And the other was saying “How can u leave the Culture of Warrior Ram ?”

            At last moment ,One idea came to my mind ..Why dont I confirm it from Agniveerji ?? If I hv to
            leave the Ved Sanskriti ,whats so early ? I can embrace Buddhism even the next day …

            THen i posted my 1 reply on November 16, 2010 at 10:50 AM
            “What about Niyog ? I have heard in many parts of India ,The Muslims are converting Hindus ,By spreading Misconceptions about Niyog…….Kindly Enlighten”

            Vajraji wrote : Its nothing but Re-marriage
            But i was not satisfied with his answer

            Then i thought of keeping my point in such a manner,that will angry Agniveerji in such a
            manner that he will prove that Niyog is not what that Devotee of Joker Naik told me

            And then i disguised myself as Dalit Khan and kept my point

            And I bow to U all ,For exposing the Truth !

            Namoh Nama ! To Purushottam Sir,Aryavrathasth Ji For showing me the truth

            I bow out of respect to the great minds who scripted Vedas !
            I bow out of respect to Agniveer ji !
            I bow out of respect to Purushottam sir !
            I bow out of respect to Aryavrathasthji !

          • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

            @redterror : bow to none but the Eshwar and learn more about the veda (translations from aryasamaj)
            we are just doing our part to make the vedic fold strong,
            you too do yours,Make your faith strong and belive me there is nothing against logic and morality in Veda.
            I went through the same agony as you have when some Muslim claimed that vedic people ate beef and Rama ate beef, my faith shook , but i thank those muslims as a result of which i am so much instilled in vedic belief system as i am now.
            There is nothing belive me nothing above the veda on the basis of spirituality, morality,science and human welfare.
            And there is no faith as confused and aginst Humanity as is ISLAM and this i say on the basis of the quran, hadidth and autobiography of Muhammad(ibn ishaq)

          • says

            Namaste

            Thanks for letting know your intent. Let me try to detail it even further with few points:

            a. Understand that Vedas differ from other texts in the sense that Vedas would provide principles and guidelines but not force specific applications. That is why Vedas are relevant to all locations and times. For example, Vedas would say that a couple should be monogamous and not even think of any other partner. But whether you solemnize such commitment through a Hindu style marriage or a Nikah or through what specific mantras or through a written contract etc is not domain of Vedas.

            That is why words in Vedic mantras have broad based meanings.

            b. Niyog is a social phenomenon and NOT specific order of Vedas. There is no word like Niyog in Vedas. People, given their social conditions where widows were forced to turn prostitutes, or childless couple were forced to remain unattended in old age, or not be able to maintain their property etc, chose to interpret Vedic mantras to justify Niyog within their social context. Since we do not live in that society, it is difficult to assess its relevance then. But one thing is sure – In today’s social context, there is no reason to justify Niyog.

            c. This is difference between Vedas and other texts like Quran. Quran followers would try to justify sex-slavery etc, polygamy because Quran is final word for them to be followed letter by letter.
            Vedas followers would interpret mantras to their current context, and follow them to extent it is in sync with their own conscience. So instead of being a dictatorial order, Vedas are supportive guidelines to strengthen one’s own inner voice. Because Vedas themselves state that one should follow only what appeals to one’s conscience, and not go after letter of the word.

            d. Coming to current mantra 10.10.10 of Rigveda, it says:
            Anyam – someone else
            Ichhasva – desire
            Subhage – one desiring happiness
            Patim – Leader
            Mat – Apart from me

            Now Pati is a broad term – king is a pati, general is a pati, employer is a pati, parents are pati. Anyone who is supposed to take responsibility is a Pati.

            The mantra says that if one is not able to assure happiness for his dependent, he should voluntarily allow the person to seek someone else as responsibility-taker. This mantra forms the reason why in Bharat, kings, when they got old, used to appoint a new ruler. Dont you think its the most ideal and noble concept?

            e. Muslims have no right to even condemn social practice of Niyog. Because they go to extent to justifying even sex-slavery and polygamy. And their prophets have got children from slave-girls. A Muslim can keep 4 wives and as many concubines as he pleases.

            f. Even in social practice of Niyog, following were preconditions:
            - should have permission of society
            - should happen only for procreation.
            - should happen with only one person on specific times only.
            - should only happen in emergency situation when all other options have been exhausted.
            So even the social custom is not what Zakir et al may proclaim. But in any case, they can no way assert this to be a Vedic order.

          • redterror says

            Purushottam Sir,

            I hv seen so many sites that is spreading lies about Hinduism ,Cant we file cases upon them

            Bcoz Anti-Islamist website are maximum designed & operated by Jewish & Christians

            We hv done nothing aginst them,But still they continue to create all meaningless website about our
            about our belief & thinking

  12. Amit says

    Sir your effort is commendable. But see how our people are suffering the Seventh Century Middle Eastern point of view towards women. Do you think with the kind of education we get any positive change is possible in the society? We just run behind money and lust. Nobody works for passion in India. Money is everything. I salute you for your great work.

    • Jason R Prasad says

      @prasad says:
      November 30, 2011 at 6:22 pm
      Quote: Can anybody explain why sexual postures are projected in the pillars and walls of temples ?

      What temples do you go to, don’t call your self Prasad if you don’t understand your own culture, change it to “slave of Islam” or “Jesus loves boys” or something., stop asking stupid questions and behave like a true Prasad.

      OM TAT SAT

      • prasad says

        Namaste Jason,

        It is a common doubt to many hindus like me who doesn’t have much knowledge in the scriptures and who are stupids as per your view.So if you know the answer please share it or let someone else who have knowledge do it.

        Prasad

        • Bagyaraj says

          @ Namaste Prasad,Shravak,Jason

          I will add a point of view of a scholar on this – All the spirituality/ pilgrimage /temple visit / is for the mind. Mind is resting on body. All that are present in the body are part and parcel of spirituality. How ever in big/great temples, the postures of animal and human beings are demonstrated with a precise aim. Temple is the place where your mental attention is diverted from worldly luxuries to divinity. This cannot be done within a few days or few visits. It is a continuous process as told by Maharshi Patnjali Abhyaasa vairaaghyaabhyaam tannirodha only through practice and detachment this is achieved. Through bhajans, good pictures/ odor / prasadam/ touch/ contact/ etc the attention of sensory organs can be diverted. But the attraction towards sex is not easy to divert. To make it sure that THE ATTRACTION TOWARDS SEX IS also diverted, ONLY possible method is present it in the natural form or the form the artist feel. Remember it works /worked. You can see in Mahakshetraas people do not get attracted towards these. These are only casual things for them.

          • Dharma Somashekar says

             The strongest emotion that binds Man to the materialistic and emotional world is SEX. and when one embarks on the path of spirituality one needs to discard this .
            This is the message the erotic figures found on the temple exterior r trying to…say leave these thoughts outside before u enter the inside .If you observe , in all ancient temples you will find these on the EXTERIOR of the temple and It is a MUST in temple architecture
            having said that
            (Hinduism) being a FREE school of thought , all kinds of explanations are allowed to BE. however derogatory.. It has NEVER taken it as an offence. BUT tolerated it as an Individual s approach.,( for, one, sees only what, ones mind reflects.) people with the same bent of mind will opt to learn from it.
            thats the reason even Khajuraho temples still exist ( product of some hippi culture at , some point of time)
            Just shows the FREEDOM of expression that exists in the culture.

    • shravak says

      Namaste Prasad

      Are you talking of khajuraho likes? Then i think this post will clarify your doubt.

      Hindu temples are not just places of meditation and solemn rituals. Temples have historically (and even today) been one of the important centres of social and cultural activity in any village, town or city. This is important so that one can understand the context and appreciate that not every sculpture or icon in a temple belongs to a diety.

      The Khajuraho sculptures that people routinely refer to, are not those of Gods and Goddesses but of courtiers, courtesans, royals and ordinary mortals. Please go and visit if you have not done so far (or if you do not believe me).

      Bear in mind also that the Khajuraho tyemples were built by Chandela kings who were heavily influenced by (and were followers of) the Tantric cult. This is not the best place to get into the complexities of that belief system (and it is widely mis-understood) but that partially explains the sexual postures on the outside of temples.

      Yet, to be clear, the temples do not contain sexual themes inside the Temple premises or near the deity(-ies).

      The erotic carvings themselves are a small proportion of the overall art (they obviously get disproportionate attention) and the idols of Shiva, Durga and Vishnu avatar are clothed.

      http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/05/10/husain-khajuraho-moral-policing/

    • shravak says

      Another interesting point.

      The statues and carvings of Khajuraho

      The Khajuraho temples do not contain sexual or erotic art inside the temple or near the deities; however, some external carvings bear erotic art. Also, some of the temples that have two layers of walls have small erotic carvings on the outside of the inner wall.

      There are many interpretations of the erotic carvings. They portray that, for seeing the deity, one must leave his or her sexual desires outside the temple. They also show that divinity, such as the deities of the temples, is pure like the atman, which is not affected by sexual desires and other characteristics of the physical body. It has been suggested that these suggest tantric sexual practices.

      Meanwhile, the external curvature and carvings of the temples depict humans, human bodies, and the changes that occur in human bodies, as well as facts of life. Some 10% of the carvings contain sexual themes; those reportedly do not show deities, they show sexual activities between people.

      The rest depict the everyday life of the common Indian of the time when the carvings were made, and of various activities of other beings. For example, those depictions show women putting on makeup, musicians, potters, farmers, and other folks. Those mundane scenes are all at some distance from the temple deities.

      A common misconception is that, since the old structures with carvings in Khajuraho are temples, the carvings depict sex between deities.

      Source:
      http://www.liveindia.com/khajuraho/index.html

      • Prasad says

        @ Sharvak,
        Thank You for the explanation.I really appreciate you by clearing my doubts and make me “tamasooma jyothirgamaya”.

        Prasad

      • hyder says

        In olden days sex is permitted in side Temples .This is why various acharyas for eg: osho promoted sex in their asramas. Even in stories of puranaas sex of shiva and parvathy is mentioned. If you got to shiva temple you can see Shiva linga which really means Shiva’s Penis which come out from Vulva .Let come out from such erotic signs and worships and attain the light of truth – Islam.

        From the Kurma Purana: In the Pine Forest , Shiva seduces the wives of the sages, so the sages curse him for this immoral behavior:
        “When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, ‘Tear out your linga.’ The great yogi said to them, ‘I will do it, if you hate my linga’, and he tore it out and vanished.” — Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41; cf. Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a. 14. [O'Flaherty, Wendy D. Siva: The Erotic Ascetic. Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. p.132].

        From the Bhavisya Purana — In another version, Shiva (and the other two deities of the Trimurti) rape the sage Atri’s wife and are punished:

        “One day when the sage Atri was performing asceticism with his wife Anasuya, Brahma, Visnu and Siva came to him and offered him a boon. When Atri continued to meditate, the three gods went to Anasuya; Siva had his linga in his hand, Vishnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma, beside himself with desire, said, ‘Make love to me or I will die.’ When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But the three gods were overcome by delusion, and they raped her by force. Then she became angry, and she cursed Siva to be worshipped as a linga, Brahma to be worshipped as a head, and Visnu to be worshipped as feet, in order to ridicule them all, and she cursed them all to be reborn as her sons. Because of this, Siva was born as Durvasas.” — Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78. [O’Flaherty, Wendy D. The Origins of Evil in Hindu Mythology.? Pub.: University of California Press. ISBN
        0-520-04098-8. pp…

        • SDC says

          Abbe condom, yeh use-and-throw mentality se bahar niklega toh kuch samjhega na. Sex was never considered as a vile act, only certain preconditions were prescribed. But, why do you even bother when Muhammad chacha himself was so fond of it and went to great lengths to lend credence to even non-consensual forms of sex.

        • Gurudev says

          Do not write nonsense. Have you read the scriptures ?Why are you quoting idiots like O’Flaherty, Wendy D who are unable to comprehend that such a great religion as Hinduism could have existed centuries before Christ appeared in the world.They have mischevious intent and progate falsehood in the same way as Zakir Naik. If you are a truth seeker read the vedas and upanishads, if not then you are nothing more than a gas balloon.
          Dear muslim brothers most of you are descendents of people who were converted to islam by force. Why do you support this barbaric religion which either killed or converted Hindus? It is only right that you come back to the religion of your forefathers rather than follow someone born in a foreign country.

    • himanshu says

      Yes, they are depicted to simply showcase the routine events that took place in a person’s life with due courseof time. I can only point out that you shall also notice other depictions in the painting showing brith of child, marriage samskara, gurukul samskara and not just the sexual intercourse. There is nothing wrong about it as it is a natural course of action between various species on the earth.

  13. hyder says

    Status & Responsibility of Women in Islam
    Islam enjoins morality in behavior and appearance. Fashions that reduce women to sex objects are not acceptable.
    Islam gave women the right of inheritance and independent ownership.
    Women can seek employment. Muhammad’s first wife was a successful business woman.
    Protection of Women’s Honor: “…who launch a charge against women…produce four witnesses…” (Quran 24:4).
    Muhammad said: “…treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers”.
    “The best of you are those who are kindest with your wives”
    “….generous who are good to women, and…wicked who insults them”.
    Status of Mother: “A man asked Muhammad: ‘Whom should I honor most?’ The Prophet replied: ‘Your mother’. ‘And who comes next?’ asked the man. The Prophet replied: ‘Your mother’. ‘And who comes next?’ asked the man. The Prophet replied: ‘Your mother!’ ‘And who comes next?’ asked the man. The Prophet replied: ‘Your father’”
    Marriage: “…He created for you mates from among yourselves… dwell in tranquility with them and He has put love and mercy between your hearts…” (Quran 30:21).
    Independent Identity: A married woman in Islam retains her independent legal personality and her family name. She is not the property of her husband in any way!

    • sreejith says

      You are the biggest deceiver. Saying false information about islam. Please read http://www.wikiislam.net. It shows true nature of muhammad. Let me refute your bogus claims. If Islam was to show so much regard to morality, it should first stop the practice of misyar marriage among sunnis and nikah mutah or temporary marriage among shias. Islam is considering women as only sex objects. By not allowing them to wear fashionable dress. Men cannot control their lust? Why only women have to control their dressing habbits? And not the lust of men?In west, women wear whatever they want. They have sex with their consent only. Unlike in Arab states where unveiled women are tricked and raped at every possible chance.
      your second claim is also fraudulent. That islam gave women right of property owneship and inheritance. This was practiced in Pre-islamic arabia, Muhammad simply followed this tradition of jews and christians. Nothing new about it. In fact Islam reduced woman’s share of inheritance from that of equal to men to just 1 third that of men.
      your third claim that Muhammad’s first wife Khadijah was a successful businesswoman is deception. Because Khadijah was the daughter of a rich merchant and upon his death she inherited his property. She was married twice before marriage with Muhammad. Twice divorced rich widow was attracted to 25 year old Muhammad who was an illiterate boy at that time. Khadija had two children in her previous marriages. Muhammad married this rich widow at that time he did not claim prohethood. 15 years after their marriage, when he was 40, he claimed prophethood. That means It was NOT islam which allowed Khadija to become businesswoman. Muhammad wanted her wealth only.
      If somebody rapes a woman, she had to bring 4 muslim eyewitnesses or twice the number of women eyewitnesses. Since woman testimony is only half that of man. If she did not bring 4 eyewitnesses, she would be charged with adultery and stoned to death. This made punishment impossible for rapists and often the victim was stoned to death. The victims were forced not to complain .Since 4 eyewitnesses were hard to find.All other are bogus claimswithout references from Either hadiths or Quran

  14. hyder says

    Wife’s Property: From the 7th century, a woman does not need to present gifts (dowry) to attract potential husband.
    The groom must present the bride with a marriage gift. The bride retains her marriage gift even if she is later divorced.
    She is never obliged to act as a co-provider for the family unless she herself voluntarily chooses to do so.
    Divorce: Islam discourages divorce, yet recognizes the rights of both partners to end their matrimonial relationship.
    “Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity…” (Quran 4:19).
    “A believing man must not hate a believing woman. If he dislikes one of her traits he will be pleased with another”. (Muhammad).
    The Veil: “O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies so that they should be known and not molested” (Quran 33:59).
    Islamic veil is a means of protection from unwanted attention.
    Polygamy
    Polygamy in the West: Serial polygamy: marriage, divorce, marriage, divorce, etc; a married man with one or more girlfriends; an unmarried man with a number of girlfriends.
    Polygamy addresses orphans and widows in society.
    Billy Graham, the Evangelist said: “Islam has permitted polygamy as a solution to social ills… Christian countries make a great show of monogamy, but actually they practice polygamy.… Islam is a fundamentally honest religion…”
    Many non-Muslim and Muslim countries have outlawed polygamy. Cheating on the wife or using women without taking responsibility are common.
    Is the law designed to reward deception and punish honesty?
    Nearly 4 out of 5 who accepted Islam in the USA are Women.

    • sreejith says

      Dowry is still given in muslim communities from bride to groom . The groom gives her mahr which is like a wedding gift. But this is like a fees given to a prostitute to have sex with her. Muhammad has clearly mentioned in hadiths about this matter. If a man has children with her and divorces her, she has to support the child. Quran 65:4 clearly says about having sex with children who have not yet menstruated and to the old women who stopped their menstruation.
      The verse about hijab came only after Muhammad’s wives went to open toilet and one of his friends came there and made his presence felt. It was only after his wife told him that his friend was around their open defeacating place, He revealed that verse. There is no relation with the chastity of women. you talk about only polygamy for men.Why not polyandry for women? your claim about polygamy is like making robbery legal so that there are no thieves. About the multiple girlfriends in west, they dont marry until they find right person for them. till then they date with their boyfriends. because its ultimately their pleasure that matters. your knowledge about west is very shallow.

  15. hyder says

    Some Famous Quotes About Muhammad
    Bernard Shaw (British philosopher): “… the Savior of Humanity…..if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems…” (The Genuine Islam).
    Gandhi: “…it was not the sword that won a place for Islam.. It was the rigid simplicity… his absolute trust in God and in his own mission..” (Young India)
    Michael Hart: “My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons…he was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.” (The 100: A Ranking Of The Most Influential Persons In History).
    The Rational Choice
    Study different religions, compare them, and then make a rational choice.
    Islam is the final religion of mankind till the last day of this world. God says: “We have sent you (Muhammad) as a mercy for all nations” (Quran 21:107).
    “I (God) have perfected your religion for you…have chosen for you Islam as your religion” (Quran 5:3).
    People often say that Islam spread by ‘the sword’. This is not true. There is no mention of the word ‘SWORD’ in the whole Quran. Only a few preachers went to Indonesia. Today it is the largest Muslim country.
    There is not a single TV, Radio Station or a national newspaper owned or controlled by the Muslims in the USA. Islam is still the fastest growing religion in USA & Europe.
    Those who accept Islam include priests, bishops, doctors, engineers, businessmen, writers, scientists, scholars, celebrities, inmates, and ‘ordinary’ people including a large percentage of women.
    Muslim communities are growing in every city with over 4,000 mosques in USA and Canada alone.

    • sreejith says

      Islam spread by violence only. Moreover Apostacy is punishable by death in Islam. About the fastest growing religion claim, it is mere propaganda work. Agnosticism is growing fastest. Millions coverted from islam o christianity. 6 million in africa alone. Many Australian muslims give up islam after 1 year , realising it is not compatible.

  16. hyder says

    Women are fickle minded. Never believe them. Friendship with women is just like friendship with a wolf. (Rig-Veda 8-33-7)
    A virtuous woman is one who dies on the funeral pyre of her dead husband and avails the privilege of serving her husband in the other world. (Atharva Veda 18-3-1)
    Woman is the source of sorrow. At birth she makes her mother weep. At the time of the puberty she makes her parents weep. At the time of the marriage she makes all her family members and relatives weep. In youth she commits lot of blunders and brings bad name to the entire family, relatives and Varna . She tortures the hearts of her parents, husband and other family members. She is called ‘DARIKA’ because she is source of sorrow to all. (Aithareya Brahmana)

    • Vinay Arya says

      HYder

      Wo can be a big fool than you?I think nobody.You are the most jungali man of the worldWhy are you hinding the true meaning of the Vedic mantras.

      Rigveda 8.33.7 says
      ek shurveer vyakti brahmacharya va pran sanchay se balwan banata hai.

      hahahahahahahahaa

      And what are you saying?

      hahahahahahahaha

      HYder do not hide the true meaning.

    • Vinay Arya says

      Hyder

      You are a big fool.Atharvaved 18.3.1 talks about niyog.It says” a wife whose husband is dead and wants to have child,she can have from a man whose wife is dead”.

      So,you can see the true meaning.

      • GOD IS GREAT says

        विनय आर्य!
        नमस्कार भ्राता!

        आप समझने का प्रयास नही कर रहे है। हैदर जैसे प्राणी सत्य नही जानते। Ralph Griffith, Max Muller, Maurice Bloomfield जैसे कुछ प्राणियो ने स्वयं को पंडित कहा। उन्होने वेदो का अर्थ निकाला ताकि उनके पाश्चात्य मापदंड न बिगडे। उन्होने वेदो पर भाष्य लिखे। अब हैदर जैसो को वह भाष्य मिल जाते हे। वह भाष्य में लिखित commentary निकालकर अपने मतलब का अर्थ ले लेते है। ऐसे ही कुछ मुल्लो ने अथर्ववेद 12.5.54 खोला जिसपर दयानन्द सरस्वती का भाष्य है – वेदानुयायी सत्यवीर पुरुष नास्तिकों का नाश करें। उन मूर्खो ने कहा – वेद नास्तिको के विरुद्ध है। हमें देखना पडेगा कि भाष्य तो commentary होते है जिसमें लेखक के अपने विचार देखे जाते है – प्रत्यक्ष सत्य नही। मूलत: उस संस्कृत के श्लोक में लिखा है – ओषंति समोषंति ब्रह्मनो वज्रः । इसका सम्बन्ध किसी नास्तिक से नही। (यह अलग बात है कि स्वामी दयानन्द सरस्वती का नास्तिक क़ुरान अथवा अन्य पुस्तक का नास्तिक नही। वह तो अत्याचारी तथा आततायी शासक है।)

        हैदर जैसे प्राणियो को मात्र एक चुनौती दे दी जाए – ऍ हैदरो सुनो! अब जब भी वेदो का श्लोक कह रहे हो तब मूल संस्कृत श्लोक सुनाओ – किसी का कहा हुआ बकवास भाष्य नही। हमे मात्र संस्कृत श्लोक का शब्दार्थ निकालना है जो इन मूर्खो का मुख सदा के लिए बन्द कर देगा। Hyders, quote Vedas in Sanskrit only. Don’t quote Vedas in Hindi OR English OR any other language.

    • Vinay Arya says

      Hyder

      Do not use your stupid mind on Vedas.You are suffering from Pchizophrenia.Ask a doctor for the treatment.Also,you are having some mental problem also.In Jaipur(Rajasthan),there are many hospitals for you.You can ask them.

      • Hyder says

        Tvam Hi nah pitha vasothavm maatha shathakratho babhooveetha| Ada the sumnaheemahe” Hey the omniscient God! You are our real father. You are our holy mother. Hence we take shelter into Thee!
        Same sentiments are expressed in another Mantra which says “Yo nah pitha janitha yo vidhatha dhamaani veda bhuvanani Vishwa [Rigveda 10.83.3] meaning that who gives us birth and nourishes us knows all. Thus, Veda likens the relationship man and God to that of a son and father. Hence, no agent is necessary for His realisation.

        As per the above verses from the Vedas, relationship between man and God is to that of a son and father and God gives them birth and nourishes them. Just like Christian belief, there they have only one begotten son Jesus Christ for God although they say our father is in heaven. Here all are sons and daughters of the real father God.
        Quran says
        “Say: He is Allah, The one; Allah, the eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like into Him” (112: 1-4)
        Analyze, think and utilize intelligence.

        uttamas cintatam kuryat
        prokta-kari tu madhyamah
        adhamo ‘sraddhaya kuryad
        akartoccharitam pituh
        A son who acts by anticipating what his father wants him to do is first class, one who acts upon receiving his father’s order is second class, and one who executes his father’s order irreverently is third class. But a son who refuses his father’s order is like his father’s stool.
        So my dear friends Be careful not to become the last one as per your Vedas.

        • Hyder says

          1) In Hindu dharma there exists the ultimate one and only one god. But to attain that one, you can have different pathways and worship of different deities. The relationship of man and God is to that of a son and father. In Hinduism, forms of Ishvara (i.e., the supreme God) such as Brahma (The creator) Vishnu (The preserver) and Shiva (The destroyer) are viewed as taking incarnations (Avatars, usually as a human) and coming down to the earth to bless humanity and rid the world of sins. Rama and Krishna are two of the most famous avatars of Vishnu and are highly popular among the Hindu masses. Hindus worship the same one God under different forms and even through icons. Shaivas (who identify God with Shiva) believe their God Shiva has 11 avatars, wives Sati and Parvati and Sons Ganesha and Karthikeya. Lord Shiva is conceived in his unborn, invisible form as the Shiva Lingam. The Lingam represents the male creative energy of Shiva. This main symbol of Shiva is worshipped in every Shaiva Hindu temple and home. Through it Shiva is worshipped as the supreme consciousness. Embracing the base of the linga is the yoni, the female organ, as the universal energy, as Shakti, Shiva’s spouse.”
          2) In Christianity, God exists as three persons but is one God, meaning that God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have exactly the same nature or being as God the Father in every way. Whatever attributes and power God the Father has, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have as well. “Thus, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are also eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, infinitely wise, infinitely holy, infinitely loving, and omniscient.”
          3) In Islam there is no God worthy of worship except the almighty single God Allah. Islam follows a monotheistic view. Attribution of divinity to a created entity, shirk (polytheism), is considered as a denial of the truth of God and thus a major sin. Allah neither takes incarnations, nor has wives, Sons or daughters. He is One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He…

          • Slim Shaik says

            @All
            Islam is the best religion where you need to recite only two names e.i. Allah & Mohamad (PBUH) in Shahada/Kalma. Hey, Hinduo Why do not you leave Hinduism? In HInduism you have to recite many names but in Islam just two names enough to get eternal heaven. Hey kaffiro dont leave the opportunity & accept Islam.

          • Slim Shaik says

            @Kaffirs
            Hey Kaffiro why do you all bow down before many stones? Allah himself said to us do not bow down before stones except Kaba. If anybody bows down other Kaba is doing greatest kufra. So, stop bowing before shivalinga or other stones except Kaba e.i. House of Allah.

          • GOD IS GREAT says

            Mr. Hyder, What problem you have in assuming that GOD is our core father if you yourself believe that GOD is only creator? And most important – why you make Quran as standard to test Bible OR Vedas. If GOD creates no mistake, how can he create Shaitan?

            Leave that. Answer this: Is it possible for a human to know GOD completely? Many scientist claim of energy but none can measure universal energy completely. Allah is eternal while Humans are not. Allah is almighty while we are not. So, Hinduism and Christianity simplify by making humans worship on specific aspects. Brahma – omniscient. Vishnu – omnipotent. Shiv – benevolent. Ram – omnipresent. Krishna – the attractor. These are aspects of same GOD – what makes you conclude that these are different GODs? In Islam, there are 73 sects. Then why only 1 goes to Heaven? Read: http://www.answeringislam.org/Shamoun/filial_terms.htm

            There is mother of Quran – ommu alkitabi / ommi alkitabi. (3.7; 13.39 and 43.4)
            Quran is revelation by GOD – but it has mother. This implies that GOD has wife. Why you follow that book which is self contradictory?

          • adolf says

            @hyder,@Slim Shaik,
            Come to adolfism, you dont need to recite any names, you dont need to fight anyone , all are granted place in heaven and hell according to their deeds and judged when they die rather than on some far ahead judgement day.

          • Slim Shaik says

            @adolf
            _______you dont need to recite any names____________
            If you do not have any knowledge don’t write you nonsense stuff here. Allah made us to worship him.
            _________all are granted place in heaven and hell according to their deeds __
            Just good deed is useless if we dont worship Allah. Our main aim to come on this earth is to worship Allah not doing deeds. Deeds are not as important as worship of Allah to please him.

          • adolf says

            @Slim Shaik:
            >>Our main aim to come on this earth is to worship Allah not doing deeds.
            Well in religion called adolfism god BHAKWAS is not a egoistic god. he is not at all interested in his children praising him, he is only interested in his children treating, helping one other.
            So you see how adolfism is simple not unlike islam where people have to bend five time in the direction of a stone.

            Hail adolfism and prophet adolf.

        • Slim Shaik says

          @Hindu/Kaffirs
          Hey Kaffiro, Why do you follow such verses of Veda which does insult of God. God is in dirty things as per below verse of Veda. Quran clearly mentions Allah reside above the sky. Look at this word for God in the verse “(Vitatum) exists everywhere”.

          Pavitram Te Vitatum Brahmannaspatey Prabhurgatranni Puryeshi Vishwatah,
          Ataptatanoorna Tadaamo Ashnutey Shritaas Idvahantaha Sum Tadaashat.”

          (Samved mantra 565)

          (Brahmannaspatey) Oh! Lord of Brahma, here Brahma means Shabda Brahma i.e., for Vedas, so the mantra states Oh! Lord of Vedas i.e., God (Te) your (Pavitram) purity (Vitatum) exists everywhere (Prabhuhu) Oh! Master/Ruler, You (Paryeshi) reside (Sarvatah) everywhere i.e., in every part of (Gatranni) our body. But (Ataptatanuhu) persons who are devoid of austerity i.e., lack Tapasya (Aamaha) are unripened (Tat Na Ashnutey) are not liable to attain purity. Only (shritaasaha) the ripened (tapasvi) dignitaries (Sum Aashat) very well attain (Tat) the purity.

          Meaning:-Oh! Lord of Brahma, here Brahma means Shabda Brahma i.e., four Vedas, so the mantra states Oh! Lord of Vedas, i.e., God Your purity exists everywhere. Oh! Master/Ruler, You reside everywhere (being Omnipresent) i.e., in every part of our body. But, persons who are devoid of austerity (lack Tapasya) are unripened, so they are not liable to attain purity. Only the ripened dignitaries (tapasvis) very well attain the purity.

          • MOHAMMED = SATAN. says

            Mohammedans / jokers

            O Jokers! why do you refer a book which is against science? Proof: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/index.htm

            Answering the Head of all jokers known as Slim Shaikh, You quote a shloka: Purity is everywhere and purity cannot be attained without being ripen through austerity. Good, you yourself agree that you can not attain purity. Hence your argument can be discarded as impure argument. Now, going further. YES, Vedas conclude that GOD is everywhere. Science calls – Energy is everywhere. It is so vast that it can create everything and everything can be dissolved into it: E = mc^2; Energy is so small to be distributed into atoms. Don’t you realize the basic idea that Vedic science has given the base for modern science. Genius scientists & thinkers like Albert Einstein, Nicholas Tesla, Arthur Schopenhauer, Francois Voltaire, Werner Heisenberg, Julius Robert Oppenheimer, Carl Sagan, Will Durant, Jean Sylvian Belly bow before Vedic science. We even have scientists to support us. Who will support you other than a terrorist? HAHAHA
            अब उल्लू को दिन में नही दिखे तो बेचारे सूर्य की क्या गलती है? Dear owl, enjoy your owlhood till the day you realize the truth.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Slim Shaikh

            God is everywhere.It is in latrine.It is in urine.But as it is not made up of matter it does not react with latrine and remain.So he maintains his purity.

          • himanshu says

            @Shaik- I fail to understand only one thing , do you think you have enough intellect to rationally prove everything that Quran, as noted by Allah, is correct. Do you also think you have been given enough authority from a intellectual standpoint to call people names such as Kaafir. If Islam was the ultimate religion in the world, why do so many people in all Islam- dominant country living in absolute ruins and abject poor conditions of Life. I am talking of fundamental economics here, in case you understand. Secondly, why do you / people of Islamic origin try and convert people or kill them if they do not abide by what your profess. Thirdly, you claim that Allah is the only true God, then tell me why did he not punish Muhammad for claiming his adopted son’s wife Zainab, why was he not admonished for claiming life of innocent people in his spree to convert folks to his professy.Fourthly, if Allah is true God, why does Islam give a message that whosoever does not abide by islam and does not pray Allad will suffer in hell. This goes on to prove that Allad desires attention and sheer majority of folks on it’s side to maintain his stature. Ideally, GOD shall be selfless and devoid of any emotions/ feelings based on what the orientation of a person is- be it theistic, non- believer agnostic etc. This is what ideally Ved’s tell us- GOD does not get biased by whether you believe in its existence or you don’t. Your life and afterlife is only governed by what you do- your deeds-Karma.

            Answer these questions in detail if you can.

            Lastly, start finding better aspects in religion, be it any, Islam, Vedic dharm, Christianity etc. and rationally question what your religion teaches you is JUSTIFIED from a logical perspective.

            Everything in Ved’s can be rationally analysed and proven. Can you prove the same in your Principal Religion or philosophy.

            Before you answer, find out CHild Thighing, real arabic meaning of the word’ Nikah’ and its origin.

            And my humble request, that you be gentle and use dignified langugage while debating on this forum. No one has the right ot intrude dignity of any other being for no reason.

    • Aditya says

      What is your qualification to interpret the vedas? Are you a Bachelor or masters or even a Ph.D in sanskrit?Even if you were one,one should learn Vedic sanskrit and not classical sanskrit.Arabic is a language that any one can learn.But sanskrit is not like that.According to me only people who have studied in Veda Patashala or Hold a Ph.D in sanskrit can only intepret the vedas.

      • Dharma Somashekar says

        A sanskrit scholar or phd in sanskrit just means a person well versed in the language,It does not capacitate him mastery over the vedas , he could maximum translate them .. . .It does not take much to memorize a few verses and parrot them like Dr zakir .
        It takes a” gyani” to interpret the them.

  17. hyder says

    Tvam Hi nah pitha vasothavm maatha shathakratho babhooveetha| Ada the sumnaheemahe” Hey the omniscient God! You are our real father. You are our holy mother. Hence we take shelter into Thee!
    Same sentiments are expressed in another Mantra which says “Yo nah pitha janitha yo vidhatha dhamaani veda bhuvanani Vishwa [Rigveda 10.83.3] meaning that who gives us birth and nourishes us knows all. Thus, Veda likens the relationship man and God to that of a son and father. Hence, no agent is necessary for His realisation.

    As per the above verses from the Vedas, relationship between man and God is to that of a son and father and God gives them birth and nourishes them. Just like Christian belief, there they have only one begotten son Jesus Christ for God although they say our father is in heaven. Here all are sons and daughters of the real father God.
    Quran says
    “Say: He is Allah, The one; Allah, the eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like into Him” (112: 1-4)
    Analyze, think and utilize intelligence.

    • Slim Shaik says

      @All/Kafiro
      What nonsense this mantra where God is friends. How can God be friend?
      Rigveda mantra, Mandal 10, Sukta 42, is as under:

      Mantra 4:- God preaches that when an aspirant follows the true path of Vedas to praise God (Stuti) etc., then naturally so many may be against him and obstacles therefore are to be faced. In this way, God always remains friend of a true aspirant. The aspirant who has surrendered himself or does worship, praise and prayer to God is then protected by God Himself.

  18. hyder says

    Hahaha Look what your vedas says
    uttamas cintatam kuryat
    prokta-kari tu madhyamah
    adhamo ‘sraddhaya kuryad
    akartoccharitam pituh
    A son who acts by anticipating what his father wants him to do is first class, one who acts upon receiving his father’s order is second class, and one who executes his father’s order irreverently is third class. But a son who refuses his father’s order is like his father’s stool.
    So my dear friends Be careful not to become the last one as per your Vedas.

    • Aryavratst says

      @hyder : Ha ha ha i too find it funny , can you site the actual sanskrit text along with the verse and chapter Number

    • Truth Seeker says

      @hyder / Slim Shaikh
      Correct brothers Vedic God is like our father. This mantra also saying the same.
      Rigveda mantra 1/1/9 states “Sa Nah Pitev…” i.e., God is like our Pita(father). The complete meaning is God is like our father. The full meaning of whole of mantra, God is like our father who provides us with all the necessities which we use to live upon- like air, water, earth, sunlight, food crops etc., which the present parents cannot make, but provide the same for their children after giving them birth. So, the original word in Vedas – shastras is Pita, the meaning of which is He Who nurses and one who is our protector. So, we the Hindus always address Him as our father, mother, brother, sister, friend etc.

      • hyder says

        “If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up.” — Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.

      • hyder says

        “Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man.” — Krsna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6:5:8:2.

        “Lord Indra himself has said, ‘The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.’ ” — Rig Veda 8:33:17.

        “A discarded wife is one who has no son. For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity).” — Satapatha Brahmana 5:3:1:13.

      • hyder says

        The following quote from the Atharvaveda samhita appears to be another
        sanction of niyoga:”Agni the heat gives bride to him who is her husband,
        with splendour and long life. May her husband enjoying lengthened life
        live hundred autumns. O bride! At first you are the wife of Soma, the
        most powerful force of the child-hood, Gandharva, the force working in
        the body in the age when menstruation begins and desire of being in
        house-hold life takes its initiation, is the next husband of yours, the
        third husband of yours is Agni, the heat of the body and fourth is your
        husband who is born amongst men. Whom the Soma hands over to the
        Gandharva, it gives to her to Agni and consequently Agni gives this
        bride, wealth, and sons to me, the husband, O bride.” — Atharva Veda
        14:2:2-4.
        What about these mantras you aryaas .Do you have any justification???

          • shravak says

            Everybody is trying their bit to get the things into your thick skull. But it seems nothing can get pass through it.

          • hyder says

            @ Vinay Arya,
            Accept the mistake and come to the true religion Islam.The quotes are from your Vedas and not from any other books.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Mr. Blind HydeR
            CaN’T YOU READ MY POSTS CLEARLY?cAN’T YOU SEE SOMETHING?i AM CRYING FROM PAST FOUR DAYS THAT YOU ARE MISINTERPRETATING THE vEDAS.tHE QUOTES WHICH YOU HAVE MENTIONED DO NOT HAVE THE MEANING WHICH YOU HAVE SAID.SO YOU COULDN’T PROVE vEDAS TO BE FALSE.

          • Vinay Arya says

            HYder
            This is secnd and the last time I am rewriting the real meaning.And also,I do not consider Krisna Yajurved to be right.I consider only Yajurved to be right.I just have Yajurved Samhita and there is not Krisn Yajurved.

            Atharvaved 18.3.1 talks about niyog.It says” a wife whose husband is dead and wants to have child,she can have from a man whose wife is dead”.

            Rigveda 8.33.7:ek shurveer brahmacharya va pran sanchay se balwan banata hai.

          • Vinay Arya says

            HYder
            Atharvaved 14.2.1:anadi paramatma ki upasana karake vidwan log gunavati kanya ko yautik adi ke sath patikul me anad se rahane ke liye ashirvad deve

            Atharvaved 14.2.2:jis parameshwar ke anugrah se ayushmati punyavati vadhu prapt hui hai,us paramatma se buddiman log prarthana kare ki usaka pati bhi yash aur kirti ko prapt howe.

            Atharvaved 14.2.3brahmacharya purvak acharyakul me padhakar kanya vedadi shastra padhakr kisi brahmachari se hi vivah kare anya se nahi.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Atharvaved 14.2.4:jab kanya mata pita acharya se susikshit hokar yuvati ho jave vaisi stri se hi koi brahmachari vivah karake dhanvan va putravan bane.

          • hyder says

            So you don’t have answers to these hymns and you are saying that it is your last time – no more questions.Please clarify the statements clearly and then claim vedas are best.
            “If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up.” — Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.
            “Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man.” — Krsna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6:5:8:2.
            “A discarded wife is one who has no son. For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity).” — Satapatha Brahmana 5:3:1:13.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Mr. Hyder
            I never said that it was my last and the final reply.It is your foolishness to say this.I said that I am rewriting the last time.It means that I won’t rewrite the same thing and again.I never said that I won’t write anything.Can’t you understand such a simple language?

            Also,I said that Krishna Yajurved is not a proof to us.You can quote only from Yajurved.Did you hear that or not?

            Also,we are discussing about Vedas then why are you quoting shlokas from Satpath Brahmana.For your information,Satpath Brahmana is not any Vedas but rather an explanation of Vedas written and thought by Rishi-MUnis.So I can’t write its meaning here.However,your translation is completely wrong.

            I have written down the translation of six mantras which you quoted from the true Vedas.Please see my previous post to see the translation.Next time,you again quoted Mantras from Krishna Yajurved.I had already told to not to quote from that.Quote from Yajurved.

            This time,I can see that you have quoted only two mantras from the Vedas i.e. Atharv. 5.17.8-9.Other mantras that you have quoted are from Krishna Yajurved which we do not take as Vedas.SO below is my translation of the two mantras:

            Atharvaved 5.17.8:jo aurat garbhpat karati hai aur jagat me jitane bhi bure karm hote hai ve sab brahma vidya na hone ki vajaha se hote hai.

            Atharvaved5.17.9:brahmana hi sabake rakshak hai.

            Brahmans are those who have knowledge
            Kshtriyas are those who are soldiers
            Vaishya are those who sell their products in the market.
            Shudras are those who are iiliterated.

            So,only Brahman can save us not others.Because knolwedge is a boon to us.

            So your

          • hyder says

            Mr.Vinay Arya,
            Give the explanations in English instead of Hindi.I don’t know your Hindi so explain it in English.Just by avoiding the quotes krsihna yajurveda and Satapatha Brahmana you are trying to escape.Please explain those hymns.

            Woman is the source of sorrow. At birth she makes her mother weep. At the time of the puberty she makes her parents weep. At the time of the marriage she makes all her family members and relatives weep. In youth she commits lot of blunders and brings bad name to the entire family, relatives and Varna . She tortures the hearts of her parents, husband and other family members. She is called ‘DARIKA’ because she is source of sorrow to all. (Aithareya Brahmana)

          • Vinay Arya says

            Mr. Hyder

            Atharv. 15.17.8:The woman who kill the child before the birth is punished by the God.All of the bad works that are happening in the world are due to ignorance.People do not know Vedas.

            Atharv 15.7.9:It is only Brahman(not God) which can save humanity.No other varna can save the humanity.Because knowledge shows the right path.

            Atharv,14,2,4:This mantras explains the eligibility of a woman to marry.Only those woman should marry who have complete their education.They must have remained celibate.They should have never leaked her semen even in her dreams.This kind of purest woman should marry only to a celibate.It means that male should also be a celibate.He must also have completed his education.Otherwise no one is marrigeable.

            Atharv 14.2.3:A woman should study in school the whole Vedas being a celibate.She should study th Vedas and the true science thoroughly with proof.

            Atharv 14.2.2:The celibate very well educated should marry to a great celibate and scholar only.The man to which the woman is married should do hard work to earn money,feed children,giving education to the children etc.

            Atharv 14.4.1:The parents of the woman should let her live the marrigeable life happily.They should not be the obstacle in her happiness.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Rigveda 33.8.7:A soldier should be a celibate.He should not waste his semen.He should eat health food.He should do daily useful exerise which strengthens the body.He should save the country from the evil.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Mr.HYder

            You have talked to a boy called “Vinay Arya”.Get ready.I am coming to change your life.You will accept my religion.Here,go I

            Yajurved :20.17:No human being should commit any sin.If they commit then they should say to the king that they have done a sin and the king should give him punishment as much as he can.,

            Mr.Hyder
            Why are you misinterpretating this mantra.You have misinterpreted all the mantras.You should know that I will not let you post on this forum.Your hanbds will not be able to type out here.WHat have you thought of your self.Would you and your fool Muhammad be able to destroy aryas.No No No.You will be destroyed first then your complete cult.Mr.,. Hyder this should be the last time you are misinterpretating the Vedas.If you would do it next time,I would go to supreme court and would file a case against you.There are many lawyers who are my best friend in the court.Beware of m,you will not be forgiven.Either you will have a death sentence or you will speand your remaining time badly in the jail.

            And then ext time,my reply would be of threats.If you would agains say the same thing,I would not say by the words but I would say with hands,stick,mguns and bombs with police.

          • mohammed says

            Vinay – You are telling some blunders.You are caught here.Please see the article vedas and shudra and see this mantra there.So you should register case against the website.Either you or Agniveer is wrong.Tell us the truth.

  19. mohammed says

    You are telling some blunders.You are caught here.Please see the article vedas and shudra and see this mantra there.So you should register case against the website.Either you or Agniveer is wrong.Tell us the truth.

    • Vinay Arya says

      A case is registered against frauds not against good.Agniveer might have done some mitake because the translation given by me is of Dayanand Saraswati.Not of mine.Hyder was mins-translating the mantras since several days.So,his intention was not good.In order to change his intention I have taken the step.Ask your brother Hyder to tell his complete name,address and phone number so that police can reach him with me in coming two days.

      • mohammed says

        Hahaha So agniveer is wrong. You accepted that.So Mr.Vinay i am the same hyder but i changed my web address name for commenting in this website because Agniveer blocked me because i had shown a mistake in his article.!!!!!!!!!Shame on you guys!!!!!!!!

        • Vinay Arya says

          See,this is not very big mistake.The problem is not with Agniveer.The problem is with the non-sense written by you.You just want to destroy the Vedic religion.You say that Vedas are not divine which has no proof.Earlier you tried to mis-translate.But I tried to say to you the real meaning.I think at least 8 mantras were corrected by me i.e. I told you the real meaning.But,you did not look at tthem and tried to put one more non-sense.Your aim is to defame the Vedas.That’s why you are wrong.
          See,Hyder
          We should always accept the truth and decline the false.We would say that we are wrong if you would be able to prove that we are wrong.But if you are not able to prove then why should we accept ourselves to be false.But if we are able to prove you to be false then it must be your duty to accept the truth.If both the Hindus and Muslims(there is no Arya in t he world,even I am not) would accept the truth and decline the false then there can be complete peace established.Your claim is that Islma means peace then why can’t you join with us instead of saying false.We say that our puranas are false.We say our 99 upanishadas are false.We say that many kalp srciptures are false.Then why can’t you accept the bible to be false.You should be free of making decision rather than blindly taking one’s side.

        • Slim Shaikh says

          @mohammed
          __________Hahaha So agniveer is wrong____________
          Not Agniveer but all people are wrong who do not believe in Quran & Prophet words. Brother Hyder I have defeated all the patrons of Agniveer. They always run away when I come here to post comment. They have no proof Quran is wrong book. Their prophet (Dayanand) himself said if any book contain a single error book can not be divine. Quran is only book in world which is free from errors. You will not find even a single error in Quran. That is the proof of Quran’s divinity.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Mr. SLim Shaik
            Your statement is that prophet Dayanand said something.It is to be noted that Dayanand Saraswati was not any prophet.Prophets exist only in Islam.But there is not Prophet in Vedic religion.WHy are you using the word “Prophet” again and again?

            Your statement is that you defeated all the patrons of Agniveer.Can you make a more big joke than this?Whom did you defeat?Rather you were defeated by many of us.

            Your statement is that we always run away when you come to post.Are we able to see you when you come to post so that we run away whenever we see you?Who runs away?It is you.You cannot talk with with logics.But if you really want to defeat anyone then please talk with logics.

            How can you say Quran is free of errors?Was it revealed by the GodIf yes then please prove it?

          • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

            Quran is a man made bogus book. All those who disagree with this well established fact are simply followers of Satan. Why not. Satanic Verses exist in Quran. This proves that Quran is revelation by Satan.

            Satan created Mohammed and Mohammed is prophet of Islam. This is for jokers like Slim Shaikh who know NOT EVEN 0.0000001% of truth. http://www.1000mistakes.com/CorrectingRefuting.html

            Slim Shaikh is biggest kaffir bcoz the book he follows is Satanic.

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Vinay
            But I feel prophet means who preach truth based on science & logic. All the people who propagates truth are prophets like Agniveer.

          • ashraya says

            i can feel ur blood poisoned such that the intellect is completely covered with mind which is completely dominated by ur senses, u will not understand this ofcourse but maybe u will understand this- proof of idiotic divinity of quran is 1)because it says it is divine 2)god made the earth flat 3)muhamed split the moon, yet it is one piece, or forgot to fuse it back , their is no scar in the moon of being half 4) women r pollution 5) god created non-muslims so that muslims would torture, kill them and even after death they will burn in hell eternally 5)embryology is bullshit 6th century concepts says first bone then muscle etc… no they all develop simultaneously with a complex plethora of cellular signalling 6) mUhamed enlightment state is typical symptoms of epileptic syndromes. 7)muhamed was illiterate, why wud god choose him? so he choose his own god 8)formless god worship requires 2 things- mecca and muhamed mandatory 9)religion spread through war and bloodshed 10)women are in hijab assuming that all men are perverts and all women deserve no identity, honour, respect – this is the pakistani mind(75%)

        • ashraya says

          even the most religious muslims Love eating meat(cow, mutton, chicken) and thus their minds are very unstable. Meat products are very rich in cholesterol, larger the animal more it is, and cholesterol is the source of all sterols in the body(hormones), but the command to produce comes from the brain(hypothalamus), which can be blocked, more the hormones, stronger will be your behavior, emotions, motivations. more is the happiness and sorrow, anger and love, distraction of mind, unable to concentrate or study with reasoning so just rattafy and the secret poison of desire n lust(exact opposite of BG) in addition to CardioVasDis. Veg diet if of few varieties do not cause vit B6/12 deficiency as meat eaters claim. i am a live evidence as well as a witness of this.

  20. samuel says

    “ Hiranyagarbha: samavarthathagre Bhuuthasya jaatha: pathireka aaseeth Sadaadhaara Prudhwivivim dyaamuthemam Kasmai devaaya havisha vidhemam.” ( Rigveda X : 121, 1 )

    “ Sa eekshatheeme nu loka Lokaa Paalaanusruja ithi Sodbhaaya eva purusham Samudruthya moorcchayaat” (Aithreyopanishad 1: 1: 3 )

    “ Thsmaad viraada jaayatha viraajo adhi purusha : sajaatho athyarichyatha paschaad bhoomimadhopura:” ( Rig veda X : 90 : 5 )

    “ Purusha evedam sarvam Yadhbutham yachabhavyam Uthaamruthathwasya eesana
    Yadaannenathirohathi” ( Rig veda X : 90: 2 )

    “ Thaam yajnam barhishi proukshan Pusham jaathamagratha Thena deva ayjantha
    Saadhya rushaschaye” ( Rigveda X: 90: 7 )

    “ Thamevam Vidwaanamrutha iha bhavathy Naanya pandha ayanaaya vidyathe” ( Rigveda X: 90: 16)

    All these hymns are about Jesus.So Jesus is only the pathway.

    • GOD IS GREAT says

      Again you proved that Christianity is a stolen concept and exact idea is Vedas. Good, every christian must switch to Vedas and Vedas foretold what even Bible cannot. This proves that India is greatest land ever and the West (including Christianity) is a thief. As per any law, thieves get the punishment and hence TRUTH (VEDAS) are proven true. Bible is stolen idea from many pagan concepts. Therefore, Bible is not genuine. Vedas being the oldest knowledge ever known to mankind, they are definitely original. Biblical myths can be happily rejected if truth is to be accepted.

      • says

        Is Bible not genuine AND WHAT IS THE MYTHS IN IT? Can YOU PROVE IT? LIKE, HOW YOU ARE GIVING EVIDENCES FOR ISLAM AND from the Quran in order to prove. In the same way? WHY DO NOT SHARE WITH PROOFS and evidences? Other wise, your are boosting that you and Vedas are the only best. Let other religious faith(Christians, Muslim) people see that your defense is moderated. what you say? why you say?

        • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

          Bram Nathan Sir,
          There are many myths in Christianity as well. In fact, Islam is a stolen concept from Christianity. If Islam has 1000 errors, Christianity would have at least 50. The detailed analysis is here: http://alturl.com/gofv8. Since there are many versions, let’s take KJ version. I will just pose errors related to 10 commandments here (I mean Exodus 20:1 – 17)

          Commandment 1 speaks about monotheism.
          If Christianity is monotheism – why Bible has 3 GOD concept? This was given to Moses much b4 birth of Jesus. This implies GOD later on changed his idea & made Jesus his equivalent. Is GOD imperfect to change his ideas?

          Commandment 2 gives ban on even serving an image or likeness of anything.
          Most importantly, GOD calls himself jealous. GOD says that hater’s punishment is given to children unto 3rd / 4th generation. WOW! GOD is cruel tyrant too. GOD will show mercy on those who loves him. GOD is egoistic also.

          Commandment 3 is beyond understanding. GOD wants us to not to take his name in vain. GOD is so pissed up that he wants people to remember him in success times only (in other words, give him credit for all success they get, not the vain). This proves how Selfish GOD is.

          • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

            Commandment 4 speaks about Holy Sabbath Day.
            GOD tells us not to work at all on that day. GOD was idle before creation and he rested for 1 day after creating for 6 days. This implies that GOD supports idleness. This Sabbath day is holy. This implies that all other days are that of Satan. What pleasure does GOD gets in making everyone idle for entire day? Is this holy?

            Commandment 5 is funniest. GOD tells to honor parents.
            Good but what about orphans? How will you honor whom you don’t know?

            Commandment 6 is a ban on killing.
            A straight outright ban – wow GOD is self confused because if Anti Christian attacks us, we won’t kill. And yes – what about those micro organisms whom we killed unknowingly? It seemed that GOD had nothing to say so he said this commandment.

            Commandment 7 is a ban on adultery.
            Quran gives straight outright ban on alcohol despite the established fact that alcohol is of medicinal value provided taken in right amount. GOD must have prescribed an amount not the ban. Stupid religion has stupid concept. Bible GOD did the same with adultery. A straight ban despite the fact that adultery is must for creation, provided in right manner. How can you get birth if your parents did no sex. Does GOD wants everybody to come like Jesus ??? And what about Judges 21:10 – 24; Deuteronomy 20:10 – 14 which promote rape and slavery. Is GOD lunatic to let all that happen?

          • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

            A detailed analysis of Commandment 7 is: http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

            Commandment 8 is ban on stealing.
            Why Bible was stolen from Judaism? Why Jesus history was stolen concept from Egyptian and Krishna tales? Bible itself is guilty of stealing major concepts from Pagan GODs. GOD supporting that religion which is full of thieves. What a psychopath.

            Commandment 9 is ban on bearing false witness about neighbor.
            Are we GOD to know which witness is false and which isn’t? Why GOD is narrow minded to only include neighbors here? So, we can bear false witness against those who aren’t neighbors.

            Commandment 10 is ban on coveting anything of neighbors.
            Again the same narrow mindedness. I guess that this GOD is definitely of Christian community only. Their GOD isn’t universal. How can he be? He is biased with Christianity. GOD is jealous as per commandment 2 – the typical characteristic of every Christian.

            All this proves that like Quran, Bible also is an Anti GOD scripture. I challenge any Christian to answer all of the questions (related to 10 commandments & that of websites mentioned as well). They will answer like coward Mohammedans – scripture is wrongly interpreted. If this be the case, let them give proper interpretation (No Mohammedan ever did that). Christians say that Hindus are guilty on 2 commandments. Let’s see which commandment a Christian isn’t guilty?

          • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

            Bible was criticized not only by me or some fellow Indians but also by Nobel Laureate / Oscar winner like George Bernard Shaw. He called Bible a collection of fairy tales and Jesus a hypocrite.

            If a person speaks too high level things, which has nothing to do with reality, in Hindi, this is called – लम्बी लम्बी फेंकना । Read verses by Jesus. Details are here: http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm

            When Jesus tells us to pray, he bluffs. According to him, by praying a Christian can throw mountain into sea by merely saying. If Jesus words be true; a Christian would have changed the functioning of humans but Alas! Christians contributed by Crusades i.e. destroying lives. It seems that a Christian can make Sun move around Earth. (Bible is geocentric book) or even get diseases cured by a priest (Bible says disease caused by Satan). Let me see which Christian can do so. If a GOD cannot teach anything valuable, what is the use?

            Nothing against Christians but the foundation of Christianity is based on imaginary fiction. It is good sign that majority of Christians don’t take Bible and Christianity seriously. This has been the reason for progress of West in last couple of centuries.

        • says

          BRAM NATHAN

          Bible itself is a myth..
          Read critically the Genesis –

          1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
          Heavens ? How many heavens ?
          Where is the Hell ? Is it in the earth or in the heaven ??

          2. And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

          Darkness ?? Was not there the Sun ?
          Spirit of God ?
          Water ? where from the water came ?

          • says

            3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

            4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

            5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

            Ok.. Light means day….. So what is that which emits when we switch on the bulb ? Is it day too ??

            6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

            To divide waters from waters ?? Why such a division at all ?

            7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

            8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

            Ok… So the firmament that separated the waters is Heaven.. So First the earth was created.. Then Light… Then Light became day and darkness night…. Then the firmament (the heaven) was created….

            Wait… Read the Gen:1:1 again…
            God created the Heavens and Earth….
            If the Heaven is already created.. What the Hell God did now ??

            Is he mad ? or he just forgot that he had already created the Heaven.

          • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

            Akhila Padhi Sir,

            Please read Holy Bible Exodus 20 . 5
            You would be shocked. GOD calls himself jealous. Tyrant too bcoz he charges father’s mistake onto children of 3rd / 4th generation & egoistic too bcoz criteria is hatred. This GOD is worse than a man.

            10 commandments are proven false here: http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

            Deuteronomy 13:13-19 shows how evil GOD is who wants entire village to be killed if 1 man is polytheist. Deuteronomy 22:20 speaks of death penalty to those lose virgnity. GOD himself forgets about his 10 commandments. Genesis mentions that light was created earlier and Sun / stars were created on 4th Day. GOD created light before its source. Interestingly, number of days were calculated in absence of Sun.

            What a funny Belief!

        • says

          9 And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

          10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

          Oh Common… Not again… God again forgot that the earth is already created by him at Gen:1:1… What is he doing ??

          11 And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so.

          12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good.

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          13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.

          14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:

          Let there be lights ?? Did not God say the same at Gen:1:4 earlier ? And called the Light as day and Darkness as Night at Gen:1:5
          What he did now ? Now why at all he need light again to mark day and night ? There was morning, evening at night for last three days… Why at all a light needed ? Ok lets proceed…

          • says

            15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

            First created light – saw it was Good – named the Light as Day – and darkness as Night – Then created Light again to separate day and nights – (Surely he forgets what he did just a day earlier)

            16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

            Greater Light to Rule the day – Which One ?
            Lesser Light to Rule the night -Which one ?
            17 And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth,

            Ok… The Lights are fixed in the Firmament of Heaven… Those Greater Light and Lesser Light… There is water above the Firmament (See Gen:1:6-8).. So Water beyond the Greater Light….

            By the way, a new doubt arised… How there used to be Morning, Evening, Night for last three days ??

            Without the Greater Light ?????????

          • samuel says

            The world as you know is heading into more and more unstable condition, in every means – which means, it is not in any better condition than it was a few years ago and this is a one way journey, with increasing instability in the world as exactly told by Jesus Christ some 2000 years ago. I thought about quoting from the Bible so that it is not my version, but purely from the Bible – quoting as follows:
            And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled, for all these things must occur; but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines and pestilences and earthquakes in different places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then they will deliver you up to be afflicted and will kill you. And you will be hated of all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, and will betray one another, and will hate one another.
            -Matthew 24:6-10
            Christ said that these are just the beginnings and end (of the age) is not yet. Christ also said that in His name, a lot of Christians will be killed and people will betray one another and will hate each other – these are just beginning to happen now.
            Jesus continues saying as follows:
            The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels of Heaven, but only My Father. But as the days of Noah were, so shall be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered into the ark. And they did not know until the flood came and took them all away. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Therefore watch; for you do not know what hour your Lord comes.
            -Matthew 24:35-42

          • samuel says

            Another verse from Thessalonians records as follows:
            For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.
            -1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
            In Matthew 24: 35-42 you may notice here that all are not taken! While some are taken, the others are left behind! Who will be taken? The Bible says as follows:
            Mat_7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven.
            -Matthew 7:21
            Mar_8:38 Therefore whoever shall be ashamed of Me and of My Words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man shall also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.
            -Matthew 8:38
            You may ask when this would happen – Christ says as follows:
            The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels of Heaven, but only My Father. But as the days of Noah were, so shall be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered into the ark. And they did not know until the flood came and took them all away. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
            -Matthew 24:35-39
            You may wonder why Christians are going around the world to preach the Living Word of God and trying to get them to Christ – following is one of the main reasons for this, among many other equally important reasons (Following is the instruction by Jesus Christ, just before He ascended to Heaven):
            Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days…

          • samuel says

            Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen.
            -Matthew 28:19-20
            This above event is termed as the ‘Rapture’, by Christians. As told by Christ, no one knows the exact date of time of the rapture so all what we could do is to be ready anytime. That does not mean that it would happen today or tomorrow – no – there are some other prophecies also to be fulfilled before this would take place. (due to time constraints, I cannot describe all here now)
            Once the Rapture takes place, exactly in seven years, Christ will return again, this time to rule the earth – these are all vast topics and cannot just limit the descriptions in one or two paragraphs.
            There are lots of scriptures on the Judgment, but following is a part Scripture on the Judgment:
            And the Devil who deceived them was cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet were . And he will be tormented day and night forever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and Him sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And a place was not found for them. And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death. And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.
            -Revelation 20:10-15
            As I told you in my previous message, I can only guide you to the Light but it is entirely up to you to accept this or reject this. God has given us all a free…

          • samuel says

            Mr Akila Padhi and others,
            Did all run away from here.At least you understand the correct pathway now follow it and come near to Jesus.He will forgive your sins.

          • GOD IS GREAT says

            Samuel;
            I asked you some questions. You don’t know the answer so you decided to deviate from the topic. Why are you behaving the way Mohammedans do???

            Leave it, coming to your response. What you quoted is about some day of judgement. First you proved that Bible is a stolen book from Vedas. Now, you proved that Jesus is stolen from Krishna. The symptoms of Universal dissolution are proven true as per Krishna. Jesus tells the same (sentences changed to avoid plagiarism getting caught.) Same is the rule in Hadiths. This proves that you Abrahamics are nothing but biggest thieves. Coming to Jesus. Look, he is a confused man.

            http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm

            Even if doomsday is near, we are happy with our Sanaatan Dharma because for us, the standard is Vedas – neither the BIBLE nor the QURAN nor the HINDU PURAN. Vedas say that you get birth after your death & this continues till you get salvation. So, the hour or day of judgement is for a Christian only NOT for rest of the world.

  21. hindu says

    Excellent work Agniveerji.
    And one more thing this person Hyder says he cannot understand hindi Which Shri vinay ji has written and he is giving translation of Vedas as if he is a Sanskrit Pandit, he is definately a fraud who is using Zakker Naiks work to critise our Religion.
    I would like to ask all those critcs of Vedas here like Samuel or hyder that they are using Vedic hymns to show that teachings of Mumhammed or Jesus and vedas were same then why dont these people accept a simple tenet that all forms of worship can lead to supreme being and just it is “Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha Vadanti”, and like these people ask us to accept I slam or christianity if they belive god is one then why dont these accept hindu gods

    • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

      What are you speaking Hindu brother? You think that these will learn? There are numerous species of beast. Only 1 is leader – Lion. Why can’t a jackal convert into lion? There are 2 jackals like Hyder and Samuel (in addition to thousand others). Let all of them travel on wrong path and go to hell. :-D We belong to only sect which is true religion of peace. (Scientists & historians were shocked when they discovered that only 1 nation which never invaded any other nation in past 10,000 years is India. No other nation even stands in front of India when this particular criteria is considered. Yet India has one of biggest defense force. This proves that only a Hindu Nation believes in peace and all others are full of criminals.) We are proud of our sophisticated lineage because we know who they were & how we represent them.

      We always supported what’s right UNLIKE Christians and Mohammedans who only know how to steal & copy from others. 2 biggest people who lack originality are Christians & Mohammedans. So, I don’t think that these will learn at all. That’s like telling a newborn baby to lift a mountain: TOTAL STUPIDITY. They say that we hate them but the truth is that they actually deserve all that. Leave them on their fate & let’s tell the greatness of ancient India to rest of the world. What do you say?

  22. Damoder says

    Sir,
    I have read some verses on which some people are discussing that “Hinduism is against women”
    these are the verses…………

    “Almighty God, you have created this womb. Women may be born somewhere else but sons should be born from this womb” – Atharva Veda 6/11/3

    “O Husband protect the son to be born. Do not make him a woman” – Atharva Veda 2/3/23

    ‘A virtuous woman is one who dies on the funeral pyre of her dead husband’ -this one?’ –Atharva Veda (18-3-1)

    “Lord Indra himself has said that a woman has very little intelligence. She cannot be taught” – Rig Veda 8/33/17

    “There cannot be any friendship with a women. Her heart is more cruel than hyena” – Rig Veda 10/95/15.

    ”Women are without energy. They should not get a share in property. Even to the wicked they speak in feeble manner” – Yajur Veda 6/5/8/2

    ‘…but woman, the Sûdra(untouchable), the dog, and the black bird (the crow), are untruth: he should not look at these, lest he should mingle excellence and sin, light and darkness, truth and untruth’ –Satapatha Brahmana 14:1:1:31

    ’There is no creature more sinful than women; women are blazing fire; they are poison; they are snake; they are living lies..’ Mahabharata, 13:40

    ‘“Men must keep their women dependent day and night, and keep under their own control those who are attached to sensory objects. Her father guards her in childhood, her husband guards her in youth, and her sons guard her in old age. A woman is never fit for independence!’‘ –Manusmrti 7:149-150

  23. Ashish says

    Agnveer ji aapke website par ek sawal par itnesare javab milte hain ki confusion hota hai pls. Aap ek aisa jawab dijie ki mai khud ko satisfy kar saku aur simple ho.
    Here r my few ques.

    1.jab parshuram ne 21 bar kshtriyo ka naash kar diya tha to unka vansh aage kaise badha.Maine google pe padha tha ki kshatriyo ki vidhvao ne rishiyo se najayaz sambandh banaye the kya ye sach hai?
    2.kya sare purana vedvyas ne likhe the?
    3.maine google pe padha tha ki vedvyas ne ek stri ko santaan dene k liye usse najayaz sambhandh banaye the is it true?
    4.aapne woman in hinduism me likha tha ki vedon me niyog ka mention hi nahi hai to fir har koi alag ved k alag mantra suna kar ye kyon kehta hai ki ved me niyog hai.maine apna ek ques. Aapki site par dala tha niyog k upar jiska javab mujhe Dara singh ji ne dete hue likha ki “niyog ek vidhi hai jisme woman artificial tarike se garbh dharad karti thi jaise ki aaj Dr. Karte hai. “kya ye sach hai.
    5.aap kehte ki vedo me niyog hai hi nahi par aap ki website se maine rigvedadibhashasbhumika naam ki book download ki thi usme to niyog karne ki izazat hai usme to men aur women dono ko apne pati/patni k elawa santaan prapti k liye 11-11 bar niyog karne ko kaha gaya hai aur aap to kehte ki intercourse before marriage and after marriage other than husband/wife is against vedas aur maine ramcharitmanas bhi padha hai jisme likha hai ki “pati chahe jitna bhi garib ho,jitna bhi rogi ho,jitna bhi heen ho patni ko kabhi bhi pati ka saath nahi chhodna chahiye yaha tak ki kisi aur purush k bare me sochna ya uske saath rati karna ek patni k liye sabse bada paap hai ek patni ko hamesha har haalat me apne pati k saath rehna chahiye use apna patni dharm nahi bhulna chahiye” ab aap iske baare clear ans. Dijie.
    6.aapke article me ek prostitute ka zikr hai jiska naam JABLA tha agar vedic kaal me aurto ki izzat hoti thi to jabla prostitute kaise bani?
    7.JAB BHI KISI BURI PRATHA KE BARE ME DISCUSSION HOTA HAI TAB INDIA KA NAAM PEHLE KYU AATA HAI?
    8.kya sharab aur jua ki shuruat india me hui thi?
    9.hamare sabhayata me rishto ka bada importance hai .jaise bhabhi aur devar ka rishta maa bete ka rishta hota to fir kuch use dusra pati kyo kehte hai aur uske saath santan k liye niyog karne kn kyu kaha gaya hai?

    • sreejith says

      answer to your first question:
      1. Lord Parashuram desroyed the Kshatriya clan many times. In ancient times the castes brahman, Kshatriya, vaishya and sudra were determined by not being born in a family of that caste, but as per his/her qualities and actions.. Thats why bhagavad Gita says Chaturvarnyam maya srishtam Guna karma vibhagasha:. So when Parashuram destroyed kshatriyas, new kshatriyas evolved from the existing population. Those who were interesed in Politics and Administration, became new kshatriyas. Not the children of wives of former kshatriyas who were destroyed by Parashuram .In ancient times a brahman can become a sudra and viceversa depending on their qualities and actions.
      2.. for your second question, whether veda vyasa compiled all puranas, the answer is not. It was written by many maharishis.
      3.Jaayaz ya naajayaz depends on the context. If a childless couple in which a man is infertile, and they want to beget children, maharishis helped them by giving blessings to them. ved vyaasji has helped the couple to get children since the man was infertile and approached him for is anugrahas. Nowadays the same happens in infertility clinics to get babies, the semen of a sperm donor is used by doctors.
      4.. for your 4th question, the answer is yes.
      5. for your question about niyoga, the practice can be used with the consent of husband only. If husband permits and the couple are intensely desirous of begetting a child, then the wife can approach another man for his sperms. If she does not concieve, then its she who is infertile. In that occassion, they can think about adoption. But as per hindu dharma , nothing is done by force. Its by wilfull acceptance by both parties, any tradition can be followed.
      6.It was Jabla’s choice to become a prostitute. Just like Nikah-mutah or temporary marriage of Shia muslims and Misyar marriage of sunni muslims. Even if whole society makes stringent laws against prostitution, if a lady wants to be a whore, she can find many loopholes. In muslim countries of Saudi arabia, pakistan, etc, although there are laws against prostitution, still they exist secretly. Jabla maybe one of such kind. Many men in Saudi arabia marry 3 women at a time and divorce them by saying talaq, talaq talaq, soon another 3 replaces the former. This can be done indefinitely… Similarly Muhammad ordered war against kaffirs and after killing all males, all the women and children were enslaved. Quran clearly orders muslims to have illegal sex with captive women. they call them right-hand possession.
      7. India’s name does not come when discussing about any bad issues. Its the name of Islamic countries especially pakistan comes first. (like terrorism is the synonym with Pakistan and afghanistan.)
      8. your question about orijin of jua (gambling) :Many popular games played in modern casinos originate from Europe and China.Games such as craps, baccarat, roulette, and blackjack originate from different areas of Europe. A version of keno, an ancient Chinese lottery game, is played in casinos around the world. In addition, pai gow poker, a hybrid between pai gow and poker is also played. Alcohol consumption started from China.
      9.pls tell me the reference for your question number 9 from vedas.

  24. dipshikha says

    your topic on women is very encouraging, it have solved many of my problem.but can you say what have been written in veda for working women,can a woman work in company and simultaneously look after the house?

    • says

      Why not? Vedas encourage women to contribute to society through economic activities, military, politics, science, technology, research, education. In fact Vedas assert that unless women take serious leadership role in all crucial activities of human civilization, there would be anarchy and misery.

  25. dogra says

    There is a saying here:
    http://www.facebook.com/SaveHinduDharma/posts/395671717175173
    Sayanacharya, the 14th Century Vedic scholar from India, comments on Rig Veda (5.61.8-9) that the wife and husband are equal halves of one substance. Therefore both should join and take equal parts in all religious and day-to-day work. Pious couples are recommended to pray to Goddess Gayatri to beget courageous children.

    Is this verse number incorrect, as Griffiths 5.61.8 says:

    7 She who discerns the weak and worn, the man who thirsts and is in want
    She sets her mind upon the Gods.
    8 And yet full many a one, unpraised, mean niggard, is entitled man:
    Only in weregild is he such.
    9 And she, the young, the joyous-spirited, divulged the path to Śyāva, yea, to me.
    Two red steeds carried me to Purumīlha’s side, that sage of far-extended fame,

    Can someone provide correct verse number that we can use when defending sanatan dharma, of has griffith got it completely wrong,

    Thanks

  26. Chinmaya says

    Namaste.

    The world of interpreatation is driving me crazy. I do neither have access to any vedic resource nor do have much available time to understand the reality of Vedic literature.

    “”…Rape was given the dignity of a male fundamental right in Vedic literature where any woman was required to submit to the desire of a satyr of Vedic society. She should be thrashed by hand or stick if she refuses a man’s desire and should …be subjected to brutality of rape as a punishment for refusing the man, says the seventh hymn of the 4th Brahmana under the sixth chapter of Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. It says, if a woman refuses the man, then the refused satyr shall have the liberty to allure her into sex by offering her ornaments and other gifts. If she still refuses, the man, affected by being thus rejected, shall have the right to beat her down in hand or by a club in order to render her incapable for resisting…” – Subhas Chandra Pattanayak’s critical analysis of how rape is sanctioned by the holy scriptures-

    Here is a link. I would appreciate to have your comment on this. It may help the many confused for an answer.

    http://orissamatters.com/2013/01/24/rape-was-sanctioned-by-holy-scriptures-in-bhagawats-bharat-too/

    Thanks.
    Regards,
    Chinmaya..

    • Ankur says

      @Chinmaya,
      This is the response i posted there..
      As preposterous and insane at it gets with lying and manipulation of the illiteracy of the masses, with a malicious intent!!!
      1) there is no “sixth chapter of Brihadaranyaka Upanishad”!!!
      2) Anything written in Samskrit does not mean its form the veda/upnishad, so when quoting please refer the exact verse number and book.
      3) what is “Taittiriya Samhita ” are you referring to “Yajurved” ?? besides “Udgittha” means “gith of Om” i.e chanting of “OM” as per the yogic sutras.
      4) who is “R.E.Hume” whose interpretations you seem to be referring to .. is/was he a vedic scholar and which methodology did he use for the translations ? nirukta?

      to end with , this is the most STUPID and IGNORANT and MALIGNING articles that i have come across , that too not being in the british era.. and Mr Pattanaik is a person who is just pathetic.

      I am sure the author will not allow the comment to be posted, as the comment is under moderation.

  27. Keshav says

    Thank you Agniveer for showing us the truth of what is in the Vedas. It is a great shame that some people are so determined to show the Vedas in a bad way that they are misinterpreting but more importantly, mistranslating the oldest literature given by God. After all, we are living in Kali Yuga and the level of adharma is only going to increase more.

    Below is a website that will hopefully reinforce what Agniveer has given and further clear anyones doubts about how women lived in the Vedic period.
    http://www.stephen-knapp.com/women_in_vedic_culture.htm

    Although what will be mentioned in these further paragraphs will have nothing to do with ‘women in Vedas’, it is timely and appropriate to mention these statements here. It is important for people from all religions (whether they be Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jew etc…) to realise that there are many paths to reach God. Whether we call God’s name as Jesus, Allah, Vishnu, Jehovah, Waheguru etc… :all will lead to God.

    No single path is better than the other. These different paths are best for different people which lead to the same God.

    It saddens me that there are some people who criticise (whether it be directly or indirectly) other religions and say, ‘Islam is the best religion’, ‘accept Islam’, ‘stop bowing before shivalinga’, ‘Jesus is only the pathway’, ‘Bible is not genuine’, ‘Bible itself is a myth’.

    At the start of this comment I mentioned that it is a shame that there are some people who are insulting the Vedas, but it is also pitiful that some people are criticising other Holy Texts that are also divine in nature.

    Do people think that God will mind how we worship Him; whether it be worshipping God as formless or as a Shivalinga or as Jesus. All are Divine.

    ॐ नमः शिवाय
    ॐ तत् सत्

  28. Sneha says

    I don’t think so all this reasoning is of any use. The world sees the country through today’s lenses and with women being oppressed they will only believe what you claim are adulterated and fake parts of smritis and other texts. We cannot blame them. If the vedas were so good, Where are we wrong ? Why did the country become like this ? What about sati ?

    • says

      Shena
      We have lenses of ignorance and that’s why you don’t see the reasoning of any use. We are in this miserable state because we did not follow Vedas in our actions. If you ignore maths, then it doesn’t make the maths of no use. Same way we ignore to follow Vedas, that doesn’t mean Vedas are of no use.
      So lack of the application of Vedic principles in life is the cause of all misery.
      For Sati read this article
      http://agniveer.com/women-in-hinduism/

  29. jennifer says

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  30. Arya Veer says

    agniveer ji i love articles and what vedas say about women and their hard work towards humanity but i came to this verse and i was shocked please can you explain me this verse > Atharvaveda mantra 7/37/1- husband should never think about females other than his wives and wife should dress up decently and sensibly covering all body parts. >”covering all body parts.” you mean she should wear a burqa ?? and why should she cover her full body i mean what for ?? plz can give me the source of this reference is this from agniveer’s version of vedas or any western translated version because i never heard this before vedas talks about equality then how come they say “covering all body parts.” its so orthodox belief

  31. Rudra says

    but agniveer what about this verses they are anti-women and many are irrational if they are not correct translation then provide the correct translation for each —

    Atharvaveda mantra 3/25/6 – wife should discover so much love and affection in her husband’s house that she should not remember her parent’s house at all.( why she should not remember her parent’s house at all ?

    Atharvaveda mantra 4/38/1-main qualities of wife (a) Should have conquered sensuality ( conquered sensuality? why?)

    Atharvaveda mantra 6/8/1 – wife should be dependent on husband just as a creeper completely depends on the tree. (why wife should be dependent on husband?)

    Atharvaveda mantra 7/47/2- wife should remain healthy, possess expertise in household jobs, should be God fearing and remember God’s name and possessing divine qualities.(God fearing? why?)

    Atharvaveda mantra 7/37/1- husband should never think about females other than his wives and wife should dress up decently and sensibly covering all body parts.( covering all body parts?)

    • Ankur says

      @Rudra the al-taqyi slave .

      atharva Ved 3/25/6 is like this.
      व्यस्ये मित्रवरुनौ ह्रिदश्चित्तन्यस्यतम
      अथैनाम्क्रतुम कृत्वा ममैव कृनुतुम वशे

      which means that the humans should have victory over their pran and apan thus controlling and having victory over their mind achieve higher knowledge and consciousness.

      so go home and don’t spread lies under sharia your hands will be cut off.

  32. Rudra says

    al-taqyi slave ? idiot so you think i am a katua aka muslim ?
    i am have this doubts so i asked this questions to agniveer because i saw this verses in some vedic sites and forums ….and i am following this site since 2 years and i didn’t find any anti-women verse in vedas but i saw this verses and i found this irrational so i want agniveer to clear this if its correct translation or not because all this irrational and anti-women can be found in garbage book like quran and its pedo Muhammad’s stories …BTW you answered just one here is link of this verses >> vedmandir(dot)com/content/duties-wife-and-husband

    • Ankur says

      unfortunate thing is that in India anyone can become a vedic scholar without knowing anything and from the website you quote, i can make out that its run by illiterate thug.

    • Ankur says

      i missed the idiot word :) but that OK i don’t mind that coming to me, lot of people who get their answers tend to call the answering person an idiot.

  33. Rudra says

    but ankur or anybody can provide the correct translational of this verses so nobody will get misguided like me
    Atharvaveda mantra 3/25/6
    Atharvaveda mantra 4/38/1
    Atharvaveda mantra 6/8/1
    Atharvaveda mantra 7/47/2-
    Atharvaveda mantra 7/37/1-

    • Chetan says

      Dogra, Thanks for the link. The first thing I looked at is the references used in the paper. All but one reference is from Western authors, as if the Westerners have a better eye in interpreting the Vedas.
      Witzel is a professional Hindu hater. I remember at the time of California textbook controversy Witzel (backed by Romila Thapar) attacked the Hindu groups proposing changes, calling them as Hindu nationalists and fanatics. And when he was invited by the local authorities to rationally prove his claims that proposed changes are incorrect, he did not have any explanation and blamed the Californian authorities. Refer the complete interview is on http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/30inter1.htm

      • dogra says

        Chetan, yes this Witzel chappie is just another hater. Glad he was responded to by Hindu groups, as we must defend beautiful faith of sanatan dharma

  34. agniveer says

    1. In vedic times, the situation was different. A large number of Vedic rishis are women. Rishis are those scientists who could understand meaning of vedic mantras and explain the same to rest of the world.

    2. In our country, already the number of evidences that we have from ancient times of scholarly and scientific works is quite limited. And most of them are anonymous – like the upanishads. Thus it would be incorrect to say that women lagged behind in contribution.

    3. In medieval times, whose records are available from history, already the situation of women had denigrated significantly. This is true across all leading civilizations of world. And hence we do not see any significant contributions that could get widely publicised.

    4. But if you read ancient texts, you do find references of women being leaders, even in wars. A large number of exponents in traditional music and art are women, even today.

    Hence it is unreasonable to say that contribution of women is limited

  35. ashish says

    agniveer ji kya apsara swarg ki vaishyaa kahi jati hai ye mujhe mere ek christian dost ne muhse kahi agar aisa hai to swarg lok ko pavitr kaise maan sakte hai aur lord mahadev e kaha tha ki swarg prithvi lok k lie udahrad ka kaam karta hai fir to vedo k artho kaanarth ho jayega aise prostitution legal mana ja sakta hai jab ki ye to hamare hindu dharm k khilaf hai .sir mai ilzaam nai laga raha bas confusion dur karna chahta hu

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