Women in Vedas

I dont know where you read these. Almost 50% of existing Manusmriti comprises fake verses not part of original. You can review more on this here: http://agniveer.com/series/manu-smriti/

sir but the meaning is showing same as above there

Deepak ji in the starting of Manu smriti there is written that if any of the verses of this book does not match with the Vedas then simply think someone has mixed something…. so if u have read the vedas then there is nothing like what u have mentioned. In vedas there is equal right for male and female

and sir tell me which manu smriti is right?
every comming year our vedas are changing(editing) by hindu scholar i have seen there are many people saying that aur vedas are edited by hindu scholar so it means that hidu dharma is becomming man made?

It seems you have not read carefully. And which scholar changed Vedas, we are not aware of. The vedas that we know are same for last whatever years humanity can think of. A more specific reference would help, else it appears like a fake profile trying to spam.

Hinduism has not grown like tree but a forest. If you don’t like one scripture for example “Manu Smriti”, disregard it completely and throw it into dustbin.
There are a lot many scriptures, vedas, upanishads etc. read them and you’ll learn a lot.
here’s formal course in university on religion, explanation. I hope it’ll help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eV93Ii7xVI
“Do not be led by others; awaken your own reason; amass your own experience; and decide for yourself your own path.”
~ Atharva Veda

Watch this video on fake manusmriti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URzpJSmDFaI
Watch this video from around 3.50 or 4.0 to hear fake manusmriti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_CLzk0XD6g

Dear Agniveerji,
“”One of the prime reasons for our downfall was ignoring the Vedic advice for treating women. We either treated them as inferior or objects of pleasure. And until we rightly bring them to level of respect, dignity and leadership, no society can be blissful.””
Very true.
But I would like to raise a question here; there must be some code of practice for women as well for men, in Vedas?
For example, In recent times to abolish dowery practice, govenment put in place strict laws, majority in favour of women. But there had been way to many reported cases, where such rights were (are) abused by women.
The idea of respect, dignity and equality is very nobel and must be taught and practiced in all quarters of the society, both by men and women. However, it must be ensured no one abuses their rights and the one found guilty must be penalised, be it men or women. Are there any verses in Vedas pertaining to the Ideal code of Conduct for men and women??
Just out of curosity, please answer at your own time, Agniveerji.
Thanks,
Dhanyawad

yes,vikramditya there is detail code of conduct for both men,women,teacher ,king and every individual of society and also that of husband and wife..u can read yajurved bhasya by dayanda sarawati and atharved bhasya by pt vishwanath available at vedicbooks.com…and u r right vedas are not placing womanto be more intelligent,capable or responsible..its that they are also praised and asked to get briliant education especialy that of medicine and millitary skills are very much recommended..but they also have code of conduct ,as the man has..now i would recommend u just to ead these books i mentioned tolearnhow the society should be..if u r looking forsomething like politicalcorrectness,that willnotbefound in vedas..for exampleas u sated many laws ae anti men today,and radicalfeminists claim that marriage is also an oppression for woman,they want woman tobe like savita bhabhi , a sexually libeated woman..nowif u give them vedas they willsay that vedas are denigrating woman,because vedas alsolays great duties on wife (and husband also)..sovedas are a kind of their own,neitheir they are feminist ,menist,leftist rightist..they have their own unique ideology .isee some fools commenting,they are contradictry ..this isbecuse they dont have balanced mind..vedas have indepedence with restrictions..rights with duties so its a unique phylosophy whichwontget into minds of liberals or fanatics..so nevr view vedas by todays lens they are very special ..a perfectly balancedsociety has been represented..for eg vedas ask girls tobe very educated even they ask woman toget millitary skillsbut also ask her to be very dedicated to household asking is dedicatedtohiskingdom..she is asked to bemistressofherhouse..at sametime askedtobeknowledgable and teacher of girlstudents..uknow seprate teachers maleforboys and female for girls have beenasked..evenfemale judge for women matters has been asked..now u may ask how toimplement this today have a look at this vide

this was implemented in beautiful way ancient india ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SVh5I5d4Ts..,,
trust me vedas only lays duties for everyone,there is freedom for nobleand positive things like freedom of education for girls to learn and serve her society ,home and bringing up noble children,not freedom to indulge in promiscuity(so is restriction for man also),nor there is freeedom for woman to commit abortion after indulging in promiscuity or adultery..which modern feminist wouldfind oppressive..
yes there is punishmet for both man and woman..take example in india a man can be jailed if he indulges in adultery but woman cannot..
clearly a biased law..
but vedas in yajurved 23.21 states king shall punish both man and woman whosover indulges in fornication or adultery in a strict manner (read yajurved bhasya by dayanda) irrespective of gender..now its a broad concept.strict punishment can be anything,not neccesarry stonning to death or capital punishment..exactly what kind of punishment for such crime has not been mentioned..it can be out casting also or jail of long term..and so on,depending upon time and scenario..yeah but broad idea is it should be punished and not to be taken casually..like society is doing today..
another biased law against men is regarding custody of childen (watch movie akele hum akele tum,geat movie which has addressedthis issue
),which is also a gift of feminists..but vedas has no such discrimatory law..
both woman and man can leave his/her spouse in case of adultery..
woman who abide by the rules of vedas are said to be eqivalent to god .not like like those of kind which u mentioned.those kind of woman have been condemmned severly in vedas..
and plz no where it has been mentioned in vedas that woman are more intelligent ,capable and responsible than men..neither does agniveer says it

problem is ppl take things literally.when sir agniveer eplained what indra meant,fools over here started commneting that woman are more intelligent without understanding its essence,i asked him he told me that its related to EQ not IQ..due to this her loving ,emotional and sacrificing nature,her motherly love for all even her husband ..has been praised and set as ideal womanhood in vedas..this doesn’t mean vedas said men are idiots or less capable than woman..both are creations of ishwar and have their strenghts and weaknesses..and has been asssigned duties accordingly..
so relax vedas arenot antimen like modern laws and dont develop hatered forvedas..vedas knows no gender..thats y its ishwar vaani. there is diffrention not discrimination..
and never ,ever try to look vedas by lens of what modern ppl are thinking today..what is oppression for these feminsts or menists .that keeps changing ,according totheir wishes and desires and times also..but vedas are timeless..eternal .society has to be in accordance with,them ,vedas are notgoingtobe according to society…

and in case u r anyway offended that y vedas are not praising men..men have been praised in vedas in numerous verses..or u feeling offended y girl child is prayed by vedas..first ofall do u think any holy text in this world will do so..obivously no ,girl child has been prayed for , but that is halfinformation..boy child hasalsobeenprayed andin same vese of yajurveda .for entirely different roles for example
yajurved 22.22- says hey iswar sab guno se vyapt stree utpaan ho..
rath par sthir hone tatha shatruon kojitne waala unhe mitaane waala purush utpann ho..
iska arth hai ki samaj main purn vidya waaley purush va aisi hi stree utpan ho..
from above it is quite clear man ‘ role has nowhere sidelined or declared as less intelligent or .incapable than woman..
take this poison out from your heart right now that vedas are feminazi..i knw by some fools commenting here ,will try to makeitlook like that but that was never an inteionofvedas nor that of agniveer..infact ifany book doesthat should bevabondened ,,but thankfully vedas dont ..

i have read these line from internet .how can you explain this to me
Brahmas daughter Sarasvati- (Brhadaranyaka)
Brahmas daughter Sarasvati said to herself, After begetting me from his own body, how could he copulate with me? I know — Ill hide myself. So she became a cow. But he became a bull and copulated with her. From their union cattle were born. Then she became a mare, and he a stallion; she became a female donkey, and he, a male donkey. And again he copulated with her, and from their union one-hoofed animals were born. Then she became a female goat, and he, a male goat; she became an ewe, and he, a ram. And again he copulated with her, and from their union goats and sheep were born. In this way he created every male and female pair that exists, down to the very ants. Then he churned like this and, using his hands, produced fire from his mouth as from a vagina. As a result the inner sides of both these — the hands and the mouth — are without hair, for the inside of the vagina is without hair.—

We did not read this anywhere. Must be a fake source. And we reject it totally.

Secondly, Saraswati is not Brahma’s daughter.But, yes Brahma did create a wife out of his own self for his 10 sons, Prajaptis.

As per Quran, Allah created everything. Adam and Eve were his creations. that means Adam and eve are his son and daughter. So they became brother and sister. This pair did commit incest and for their children Adam was their father and uncle at the same time And Eve was their mother and Aunt at the same time!!!. These children had sex between them. Complete brother-sister incest.. Allah created their children too. that means he was their grandfather and father at the same time!!! So as per Quran whole world is incest-ridden And Allah is committing highest number of incests.. Dont u agree?

Bro seerjit as I am a student of comparative religion there is not a single verse of Qur’an who tells that Adam is god’s son….
And its the last word one lord who has written vedas ,upnishad,god of guru nanak dev hi,and all the religious book that has ever reveled till the send day….

harsh,
Thanks for bringing that up. And no it is not Vedic duty. No where does it say women leave their home for the man. Or is it true the other way around. It says both should come together. Whether it is in the woman’s or man’s house.
Krishnarao

SORRY SIR I DIDNT MEANT TO OFFEND U ..BUT U ARE WRONG..I CONFIRMED FROMMANY SOURCES AND MANY TEACHERS IT IS VEDIC DUTY OF WOAMN AS CLEAR BY THESE HYMNS..
Atharvaveda mantra 1/14/1 – A good wife should establish herself permanently in her husband’s house just as mountain firmly establishes itself on ground.
Atharvaveda mantra 3/25/6 – wife should discover so much love and affection in her husband’s house that she should not remember her parent’s house at all.(here means that its duty of in laws and husband to love and care so much the newly wed bride so that she doent feel sad and alienated for being away from parentalhome.) now these are verses that appear itself in above article..
Atharva 14.1.6
Parents should gift their daughter intellectuality and power of knowledge when she leaves for husband’s home. They should give her a dowry of knowledge.
and many more such veses are present in above article…plz dharma should be adopted as it is not toplease any gender ,views or political thought..present vedas as it is with both rights and duties not as a modern pro feminist religion ..where modern feminismis just about lusty and unethical carvings inname of feminism..

Refer the previous comment. There is no need for us to search for translations because we are allied to Vedas and Vedas alone, and not to any other text. So kindly bring evidence from Vedas alone. Not the Upanishads whom we ourselves claim to be true only to extent that they comply with Vedas.
Aditya

Agniveer,
I am aware that the Vedic scriptures are classified into Shruti & Smriti, in which Shruti is the Original and Authentic. If so then both Vedas & Upanishads come under Shruti only. Can we believe in Upanishads, being from Shruti canon?
Kindly explain me what exactly is the difference between Vedas and Upanishads and if we can follow Upanishads or not.
Vimal.

Dear Vimal,
Shruti refer only to Veda Samhitas. No other text is part of it. Everything else is Smriti. Among Upanishads, only Ishopanishad is part of Vedas (Chapter 40 of yajurveda) and hence is Shruti. Everything else is Smriti.

how can any upanishad be sruti?

Niyog ::::::: One system claiming Ved as Vulgar !
Respected Sir,
My real name is Dalit Khan ,But U can call me redterror
I hv been in debate with my Hindu Brothers & sisters & all of them could not reply to my single question leaving me winner !
So,to end my winning streak I hv come to u …hope u would answer my question
The topic is Niyog :::::
Rig Veda Defining Niyog ::::
_______________________________________________________________________________
If a husband is not capable to produce sperms (i.e. Impotent) ,then he have the right to order his wife
To copulate with other man to beget a child [RigVed Mantra 10 Sutra 10)
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Now my Questions ::
Question 1 ::Isnt it true ??? Called As Niyog Pratha ??
Question 2::Is this what “MANTRA 10 SUTRA 10 ” says ??
Question 3 :: Like “Ram” means Sun & Moon(Ra + Ma) Doesnt Niyog means ” Wife Exchanging Rituals” ? Yes or No ??
Question 4 ::If not what does it mean ??
_______________________________________________________________________________
Plz dont take me to a vulgar whimp
Do answer AGNI sir,
Dont stay Locked & Blocked ,Fire & Fleet ……

Answer 1: This is not true.
First there is no concept of order in marital relations in Vedas.
Second, Niyog was a social custom for an emergency situation which was applicable only when all other options of getting a child – including adoption – had been exhausted and getting a child was necessary for couple for any valid reason.
Third, it could happen only if the society permits this. This cannot be independent decision of couple alone.
Fourth, this is exactly that was practiced in all societies of world including Islam. For example, Hazrat Ismail was born when Hazrat Ibrahim impregnated his slave. Hazrat Muhammad got his son from Maria who was his slave and not one of his multiple wives.
Answer 2: No, the mantra only says that if someone does not consider himself to be able to perform his duties in a dual relation, he should allow the other person to seek other partner. This is a very broad principle that can apply in all situations of life – business partnership, master-servant, king-subject or marital relationship etc. Earlier people have tried to interpret this to justify Niyog and avoid prostitution. But Vedas do not get into such details.
Answer 3: Vedas do not have any word like Niyog. Niyog was a social custom invented for those times where people wanted a child to protect their property, have safety in old age etc but were unable to get a child due to some reason. Niyog literally means a union. It is understood to mean a temporary appointment. This is social custom and not a word from Vedas.
Answer 4: In any case, even the social custom of Niyog was to PROHIBIT wife exchanging and hence means exactly opposite of what you seem to perceive.
In today’s society, when variety of new methods of fertility as well as options for adoption exists and the concept of patriarchal kingdoms has vanished, Niyog is not more applicable even as a social concept, in same manner as one need not wear dress of hide-skins when you live near a tailor shop and have money to by dresses.

@Redterror : Besides , the Rik Veda also say that if at all the women has taken a second man as the new husband(under the condition of first husband being impotent), her first husband cannot have any physical relation with her and he acts as her brother in relation.

Ur Reply :::: *)
No, the mantra only says that if someone does not consider himself to be able to perform his duties in a dual relation, he should allow the other person to seek other partner. This is a very broad principle that can apply in all situations of life – business partnership, master-servant, king-subject or marital relationship etc. Earlier people have tried to interpret this to justify Niyog and avoid prostitution. But Vedas do not get into such details.
My Doubts::::*)
Can u plz post the Shlok ??
Ur Reply::: *)In any case, even the social custom of Niyog was to PROHIBIT wife exchanging
My Enquiry ::::
“No, the mantra only says that if someone does not consider himself to be able to perform his duties in a dual relation he should allow the other person to seek other partner”
Sir I m still under some doubts
Lets take the maritial aspects into account while discussing this lines
So if the husband is finding himself incapable ,Then will he divorce his wife to free his wife or Divorce is not essential ???

1. You have raised the doubt so you must know the mantra (not shloka). Otherwise what is the purpose of this discussion
2. Vedas will not talk about things like divorce and khula and coming back to old husband after accidental talaq once a woman had sex with another husband. Vedas give broad principles and urge you to follow them to extent that you find it appealing to your conscience as per prevailing situations. Please do not bracket Vedas in league of Quran that was applicable only to a tribal Arabic society.
3. I fail to understand what makes you focus on something that is neither advocated by Agniveer, nor practiced by anyone following Vedas nor considered essential to achieve any Heaven by anyone? Did you find Agniveer demanding you to do Niyog? Since your doubt relates to a concept that is not relevant today, the only way for you to get the answer is by discussing with those who still live in that society.

Please note that this site is not about discussing non-existent social customs. I believe you are in wrong place to discuss this topic. Agniveer has clearly mentioned that Vedas are beyond social customs and rituals. If, however, you find a significant number of people practicing Niyog or polygamy or sex-slavery in name of Hinduism or Islam, then perhaps it becomes a valid point of discussion.

Respected Sir,
My real name is AgniRaj Chatterjee,I live In Assam,Gauhati..There is a very deep reason why i came here with a Muslim name as Dalit Khan
Few days ago,I saw one guy(Muslim) spreading vulgarity about our Vedic Culture
I cudnt stop my anger & started abusing him & his religion(Islam) too…
Then during that vulgar debate or abusive war of words he suddenly came with the topic Niyog
“If a husband is not capable to produce sperms (i.e. Impotent) ,then he have the right to order his wife
To copulate with other man to beget a child [RigVed Mantra 10 Sutra 10)”
He typed the above post
After that,I thought within myself ,can this be true ?? How can the most sceintific culture of this humanity hv such kinds of law ???THe culture that is the most legally applicable in
human society can hv such kinds of law ???
This point started to demoralise me & i thought of converting to other religion & leaving
our Vedic warrior Culture
I thought now which religion to embrace ?? Islam ??? Islam is more perversive ,
Christianity ??? I hated Christian ideology
Then i thought to embrace Buddhism…For two days,48 hrs My mind splitted up in two parts ….
One was saying “Quit Hinduism,Embrace Buddhism”
And the other was saying “How can u leave the Culture of Warrior Ram ?”
At last moment ,One idea came to my mind ..Why dont I confirm it from Agniveerji ?? If I hv to
leave the Ved Sanskriti ,whats so early ? I can embrace Buddhism even the next day …
THen i posted my 1 reply on November 16, 2010 at 10:50 AM
“What about Niyog ? I have heard in many parts of India ,The Muslims are converting Hindus ,By spreading Misconceptions about Niyog…….Kindly Enlighten”
Vajraji wrote : Its nothing but Re-marriage
But i was not satisfied with his answer
Then i thought of keeping my point in such a manner,that will angry Agniveerji in such a
manner that he will prove that Niyog is not what that Devotee of Joker Naik told me
And then i disguised myself as Dalit Khan and kept my point
And I bow to U all ,For exposing the Truth !
Namoh Nama ! To Purushottam Sir,Aryavrathasth Ji For showing me the truth
I bow out of respect to the great minds who scripted Vedas !
I bow out of respect to Agniveer ji !
I bow out of respect to Purushottam sir !
I bow out of respect to Aryavrathasthji !

I am a guwahatian too!

@redterror : bow to none but the Eshwar and learn more about the veda (translations from aryasamaj)
we are just doing our part to make the vedic fold strong,
you too do yours,Make your faith strong and belive me there is nothing against logic and morality in Veda.
I went through the same agony as you have when some Muslim claimed that vedic people ate beef and Rama ate beef, my faith shook , but i thank those muslims as a result of which i am so much instilled in vedic belief system as i am now.
There is nothing belive me nothing above the veda on the basis of spirituality, morality,science and human welfare.
And there is no faith as confused and aginst Humanity as is ISLAM and this i say on the basis of the quran, hadidth and autobiography of Muhammad(ibn ishaq)

Namaste
Thanks for letting know your intent. Let me try to detail it even further with few points:
a. Understand that Vedas differ from other texts in the sense that Vedas would provide principles and guidelines but not force specific applications. That is why Vedas are relevant to all locations and times. For example, Vedas would say that a couple should be monogamous and not even think of any other partner. But whether you solemnize such commitment through a Hindu style marriage or a Nikah or through what specific mantras or through a written contract etc is not domain of Vedas.
That is why words in Vedic mantras have broad based meanings.
b. Niyog is a social phenomenon and NOT specific order of Vedas. There is no word like Niyog in Vedas. People, given their social conditions where widows were forced to turn prostitutes, or childless couple were forced to remain unattended in old age, or not be able to maintain their property etc, chose to interpret Vedic mantras to justify Niyog within their social context. Since we do not live in that society, it is difficult to assess its relevance then. But one thing is sure – In today’s social context, there is no reason to justify Niyog.
c. This is difference between Vedas and other texts like Quran. Quran followers would try to justify sex-slavery etc, polygamy because Quran is final word for them to be followed letter by letter.
Vedas followers would interpret mantras to their current context, and follow them to extent it is in sync with their own conscience. So instead of being a dictatorial order, Vedas are supportive guidelines to strengthen one’s own inner voice. Because Vedas themselves state that one should follow only what appeals to one’s conscience, and not go after letter of the word.
d. Coming to current mantra 10.10.10 of Rigveda, it says:
Anyam – someone else
Ichhasva – desire
Subhage – one desiring happiness
Patim – Leader
Mat – Apart from me
Now Pati is a broad term – king is a pati, general is a pati, employer is a pati, parents are pati. Anyone who is supposed to take responsibility is a Pati.
The mantra says that if one is not able to assure happiness for his dependent, he should voluntarily allow the person to seek someone else as responsibility-taker. This mantra forms the reason why in Bharat, kings, when they got old, used to appoint a new ruler. Dont you think its the most ideal and noble concept?
e. Muslims have no right to even condemn social practice of Niyog. Because they go to extent to justifying even sex-slavery and polygamy. And their prophets have got children from slave-girls. A Muslim can keep 4 wives and as many concubines as he pleases.
f. Even in social practice of Niyog, following were preconditions:
– should have permission of society
– should happen only for procreation.
– should happen with only one person on specific times only.
– should only happen in emergency situation when all other options have been exhausted.
So even the social custom is not what Zakir et al may proclaim. But in any case, they can no way assert this to be a Vedic order.

There were 7 VERSIONS OF KORAN UTHMAN KEPT ONE KORAN BURNED THE REST OF KORAN WHO KNOWS WHICH ONE IS TRUE
http://answer-islam.org/uthman.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/father-zakaria-botros-on-cairs-radar.html

Agni Raj Brother Raju Maliger has exposed the Niyog, Sati Propaganda of Muslims see this website
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nn_ztILFxEYJ:www.lulu.com/content/content_download_redirect.php%3FmetaId%3D2732056+Atharva+Veda+20/96/15&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in

excellent article by Raju Mallinger

Agni Raj the brahmastra to silence muslim is to give articles of Ex Muslim Zakaria Botros the number 1 enemy of Islam they are more aftraid of Zakaria botros than Ali Sina see this link
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/father-zakaria-botros-on-cairs-radar.html

Purushottam Sir,
I hv seen so many sites that is spreading lies about Hinduism ,Cant we file cases upon them
Bcoz Anti-Islamist website are maximum designed & operated by Jewish & Christians
We hv done nothing aginst them,But still they continue to create all meaningless website about our
about our belief & thinking

And great points : Purusuttam Sir (about The meaning of the Shlok)

Namaste Jason,
It is a common doubt to many hindus like me who doesn’t have much knowledge in the scriptures and who are stupids as per your view.So if you know the answer please share it or let someone else who have knowledge do it.
Prasad

@ Namaste Prasad,Shravak,Jason
I will add a point of view of a scholar on this – All the spirituality/ pilgrimage /temple visit / is for the mind. Mind is resting on body. All that are present in the body are part and parcel of spirituality. How ever in big/great temples, the postures of animal and human beings are demonstrated with a precise aim. Temple is the place where your mental attention is diverted from worldly luxuries to divinity. This cannot be done within a few days or few visits. It is a continuous process as told by Maharshi Patnjali Abhyaasa vairaaghyaabhyaam tannirodha only through practice and detachment this is achieved. Through bhajans, good pictures/ odor / prasadam/ touch/ contact/ etc the attention of sensory organs can be diverted. But the attraction towards sex is not easy to divert. To make it sure that THE ATTRACTION TOWARDS SEX IS also diverted, ONLY possible method is present it in the natural form or the form the artist feel. Remember it works /worked. You can see in Mahakshetraas people do not get attracted towards these. These are only casual things for them.

 The strongest emotion that binds Man to the materialistic and emotional world is SEX. and when one embarks on the path of spirituality one needs to discard this .
This is the message the erotic figures found on the temple exterior r trying to…say leave these thoughts outside before u enter the inside .If you observe , in all ancient temples you will find these on the EXTERIOR of the temple and It is a MUST in temple architecture
having said that
(Hinduism) being a FREE school of thought , all kinds of explanations are allowed to BE. however derogatory.. It has NEVER taken it as an offence. BUT tolerated it as an Individual s approach.,( for, one, sees only what, ones mind reflects.) people with the same bent of mind will opt to learn from it.
thats the reason even Khajuraho temples still exist ( product of some hippi culture at , some point of time)
Just shows the FREEDOM of expression that exists in the culture.

@ Sharvak,
Thank You for the explanation.I really appreciate you by clearing my doubts and make me “tamasooma jyothirgamaya”.
Prasad

In olden days sex is permitted in side Temples .This is why various acharyas for eg: osho promoted sex in their asramas. Even in stories of puranaas sex of shiva and parvathy is mentioned. If you got to shiva temple you can see Shiva linga which really means Shiva’s Penis which come out from Vulva .Let come out from such erotic signs and worships and attain the light of truth – Islam.
From the Kurma Purana: In the Pine Forest , Shiva seduces the wives of the sages, so the sages curse him for this immoral behavior:
“When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, ‘Tear out your linga.’ The great yogi said to them, ‘I will do it, if you hate my linga’, and he tore it out and vanished.” — Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41; cf. Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a. 14. [O’Flaherty, Wendy D. Siva: The Erotic Ascetic. Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. p.132].
From the Bhavisya Purana — In another version, Shiva (and the other two deities of the Trimurti) rape the sage Atri’s wife and are punished:
“One day when the sage Atri was performing asceticism with his wife Anasuya, Brahma, Visnu and Siva came to him and offered him a boon. When Atri continued to meditate, the three gods went to Anasuya; Siva had his linga in his hand, Vishnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma, beside himself with desire, said, ‘Make love to me or I will die.’ When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But the three gods were overcome by delusion, and they raped her by force. Then she became angry, and she cursed Siva to be worshipped as a linga, Brahma to be worshipped as a head, and Visnu to be worshipped as feet, in order to ridicule them all, and she cursed them all to be reborn as her sons. Because of this, Siva was born as Durvasas.” — Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78. [O’Flaherty, Wendy D. The Origins of Evil in Hindu Mythology.? Pub.: University of California Press. ISBN
0-520-04098-8. pp…

Abbe condom, yeh use-and-throw mentality se bahar niklega toh kuch samjhega na. Sex was never considered as a vile act, only certain preconditions were prescribed. But, why do you even bother when Muhammad chacha himself was so fond of it and went to great lengths to lend credence to even non-consensual forms of sex.

Do not write nonsense. Have you read the scriptures ?Why are you quoting idiots like O’Flaherty, Wendy D who are unable to comprehend that such a great religion as Hinduism could have existed centuries before Christ appeared in the world.They have mischevious intent and progate falsehood in the same way as Zakir Naik. If you are a truth seeker read the vedas and upanishads, if not then you are nothing more than a gas balloon.
Dear muslim brothers most of you are descendents of people who were converted to islam by force. Why do you support this barbaric religion which either killed or converted Hindus? It is only right that you come back to the religion of your forefathers rather than follow someone born in a foreign country.

Shiva linga means symbol of Shiva. Not Penis. Penis is called shishna in sanskrit. The sign of man is Pullinga. Sign of a woman i s sthreelinga. Does that mean woman has penis?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linga

विनय आर्य!
नमस्कार भ्राता!
आप समझने का प्रयास नही कर रहे है। हैदर जैसे प्राणी सत्य नही जानते। Ralph Griffith, Max Muller, Maurice Bloomfield जैसे कुछ प्राणियो ने स्वयं को पंडित कहा। उन्होने वेदो का अर्थ निकाला ताकि उनके पाश्चात्य मापदंड न बिगडे। उन्होने वेदो पर भाष्य लिखे। अब हैदर जैसो को वह भाष्य मिल जाते हे। वह भाष्य में लिखित commentary निकालकर अपने मतलब का अर्थ ले लेते है। ऐसे ही कुछ मुल्लो ने अथर्ववेद 12.5.54 खोला जिसपर दयानन्द सरस्वती का भाष्य है – वेदानुयायी सत्यवीर पुरुष नास्तिकों का नाश करें। उन मूर्खो ने कहा – वेद नास्तिको के विरुद्ध है। हमें देखना पडेगा कि भाष्य तो commentary होते है जिसमें लेखक के अपने विचार देखे जाते है – प्रत्यक्ष सत्य नही। मूलत: उस संस्कृत के श्लोक में लिखा है – ओषंति समोषंति ब्रह्मनो वज्रः । इसका सम्बन्ध किसी नास्तिक से नही। (यह अलग बात है कि स्वामी दयानन्द सरस्वती का नास्तिक क़ुरान अथवा अन्य पुस्तक का नास्तिक नही। वह तो अत्याचारी तथा आततायी शासक है।)
हैदर जैसे प्राणियो को मात्र एक चुनौती दे दी जाए – ऍ हैदरो सुनो! अब जब भी वेदो का श्लोक कह रहे हो तब मूल संस्कृत श्लोक सुनाओ – किसी का कहा हुआ बकवास भाष्य नही। हमे मात्र संस्कृत श्लोक का शब्दार्थ निकालना है जो इन मूर्खो का मुख सदा के लिए बन्द कर देगा। Hyders, quote Vedas in Sanskrit only. Don’t quote Vedas in Hindi OR English OR any other language.

Meaning of Nastik: THOSE WHO DO NOT FOLLOW VEDAS.
In this way almost 90% hindus are Nastik even those who visits temple weekly, because they are unaware of Vedas and just blindly following Puranik literature of which most are against vedas.

Tvam Hi nah pitha vasothavm maatha shathakratho babhooveetha| Ada the sumnaheemahe” Hey the omniscient God! You are our real father. You are our holy mother. Hence we take shelter into Thee!
Same sentiments are expressed in another Mantra which says “Yo nah pitha janitha yo vidhatha dhamaani veda bhuvanani Vishwa [Rigveda 10.83.3] meaning that who gives us birth and nourishes us knows all. Thus, Veda likens the relationship man and God to that of a son and father. Hence, no agent is necessary for His realisation.
As per the above verses from the Vedas, relationship between man and God is to that of a son and father and God gives them birth and nourishes them. Just like Christian belief, there they have only one begotten son Jesus Christ for God although they say our father is in heaven. Here all are sons and daughters of the real father God.
Quran says
“Say: He is Allah, The one; Allah, the eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like into Him” (112: 1-4)
Analyze, think and utilize intelligence.
uttamas cintatam kuryat
prokta-kari tu madhyamah
adhamo ‘sraddhaya kuryad
akartoccharitam pituh
A son who acts by anticipating what his father wants him to do is first class, one who acts upon receiving his father’s order is second class, and one who executes his father’s order irreverently is third class. But a son who refuses his father’s order is like his father’s stool.
So my dear friends Be careful not to become the last one as per your Vedas.

1) In Hindu dharma there exists the ultimate one and only one god. But to attain that one, you can have different pathways and worship of different deities. The relationship of man and God is to that of a son and father. In Hinduism, forms of Ishvara (i.e., the supreme God) such as Brahma (The creator) Vishnu (The preserver) and Shiva (The destroyer) are viewed as taking incarnations (Avatars, usually as a human) and coming down to the earth to bless humanity and rid the world of sins. Rama and Krishna are two of the most famous avatars of Vishnu and are highly popular among the Hindu masses. Hindus worship the same one God under different forms and even through icons. Shaivas (who identify God with Shiva) believe their God Shiva has 11 avatars, wives Sati and Parvati and Sons Ganesha and Karthikeya. Lord Shiva is conceived in his unborn, invisible form as the Shiva Lingam. The Lingam represents the male creative energy of Shiva. This main symbol of Shiva is worshipped in every Shaiva Hindu temple and home. Through it Shiva is worshipped as the supreme consciousness. Embracing the base of the linga is the yoni, the female organ, as the universal energy, as Shakti, Shiva’s spouse.”
2) In Christianity, God exists as three persons but is one God, meaning that God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have exactly the same nature or being as God the Father in every way. Whatever attributes and power God the Father has, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have as well. “Thus, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are also eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, infinitely wise, infinitely holy, infinitely loving, and omniscient.”
3) In Islam there is no God worthy of worship except the almighty single God Allah. Islam follows a monotheistic view. Attribution of divinity to a created entity, shirk (polytheism), is considered as a denial of the truth of God and thus a major sin. Allah neither takes incarnations, nor has wives, Sons or daughters. He is One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He…

@All
Islam is the best religion where you need to recite only two names e.i. Allah & Mohamad (PBUH) in Shahada/Kalma. Hey, Hinduo Why do not you leave Hinduism? In HInduism you have to recite many names but in Islam just two names enough to get eternal heaven. Hey kaffiro dont leave the opportunity & accept Islam.

@Kaffirs
Hey Kaffiro why do you all bow down before many stones? Allah himself said to us do not bow down before stones except Kaba. If anybody bows down other Kaba is doing greatest kufra. So, stop bowing before shivalinga or other stones except Kaba e.i. House of Allah.

Mr. Hyder, What problem you have in assuming that GOD is our core father if you yourself believe that GOD is only creator? And most important – why you make Quran as standard to test Bible OR Vedas. If GOD creates no mistake, how can he create Shaitan?
Leave that. Answer this: Is it possible for a human to know GOD completely? Many scientist claim of energy but none can measure universal energy completely. Allah is eternal while Humans are not. Allah is almighty while we are not. So, Hinduism and Christianity simplify by making humans worship on specific aspects. Brahma – omniscient. Vishnu – omnipotent. Shiv – benevolent. Ram – omnipresent. Krishna – the attractor. These are aspects of same GOD – what makes you conclude that these are different GODs? In Islam, there are 73 sects. Then why only 1 goes to Heaven? Read: http://www.answeringislam.org/Shamoun/filial_terms.htm
There is mother of Quran – ommu alkitabi / ommi alkitabi. (3.7; 13.39 and 43.4)
Quran is revelation by GOD – but it has mother. This implies that GOD has wife. Why you follow that book which is self contradictory?

@hyder,@Slim Shaik,
Come to adolfism, you dont need to recite any names, you dont need to fight anyone , all are granted place in heaven and hell according to their deeds and judged when they die rather than on some far ahead judgement day.

@adolf
_______you dont need to recite any names____________
If you do not have any knowledge don’t write you nonsense stuff here. Allah made us to worship him.
_________all are granted place in heaven and hell according to their deeds __
Just good deed is useless if we dont worship Allah. Our main aim to come on this earth is to worship Allah not doing deeds. Deeds are not as important as worship of Allah to please him.

@Slim Shaik:
>>Our main aim to come on this earth is to worship Allah not doing deeds.
Well in religion called adolfism god BHAKWAS is not a egoistic god. he is not at all interested in his children praising him, he is only interested in his children treating, helping one other.
So you see how adolfism is simple not unlike islam where people have to bend five time in the direction of a stone.
Hail adolfism and prophet adolf.

@Hindu/Kaffirs
Hey Kaffiro, Why do you follow such verses of Veda which does insult of God. God is in dirty things as per below verse of Veda. Quran clearly mentions Allah reside above the sky. Look at this word for God in the verse “(Vitatum) exists everywhere”.
Pavitram Te Vitatum Brahmannaspatey Prabhurgatranni Puryeshi Vishwatah,
Ataptatanoorna Tadaamo Ashnutey Shritaas Idvahantaha Sum Tadaashat.”
(Samved mantra 565)
(Brahmannaspatey) Oh! Lord of Brahma, here Brahma means Shabda Brahma i.e., for Vedas, so the mantra states Oh! Lord of Vedas i.e., God (Te) your (Pavitram) purity (Vitatum) exists everywhere (Prabhuhu) Oh! Master/Ruler, You (Paryeshi) reside (Sarvatah) everywhere i.e., in every part of (Gatranni) our body. But (Ataptatanuhu) persons who are devoid of austerity i.e., lack Tapasya (Aamaha) are unripened (Tat Na Ashnutey) are not liable to attain purity. Only (shritaasaha) the ripened (tapasvi) dignitaries (Sum Aashat) very well attain (Tat) the purity.
Meaning:-Oh! Lord of Brahma, here Brahma means Shabda Brahma i.e., four Vedas, so the mantra states Oh! Lord of Vedas, i.e., God Your purity exists everywhere. Oh! Master/Ruler, You reside everywhere (being Omnipresent) i.e., in every part of our body. But, persons who are devoid of austerity (lack Tapasya) are unripened, so they are not liable to attain purity. Only the ripened dignitaries (tapasvis) very well attain the purity.

Mohammedans / jokers
O Jokers! why do you refer a book which is against science? Proof: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/index.htm
Answering the Head of all jokers known as Slim Shaikh, You quote a shloka: Purity is everywhere and purity cannot be attained without being ripen through austerity. Good, you yourself agree that you can not attain purity. Hence your argument can be discarded as impure argument. Now, going further. YES, Vedas conclude that GOD is everywhere. Science calls – Energy is everywhere. It is so vast that it can create everything and everything can be dissolved into it: E = mc^2; Energy is so small to be distributed into atoms. Don’t you realize the basic idea that Vedic science has given the base for modern science. Genius scientists & thinkers like Albert Einstein, Nicholas Tesla, Arthur Schopenhauer, Francois Voltaire, Werner Heisenberg, Julius Robert Oppenheimer, Carl Sagan, Will Durant, Jean Sylvian Belly bow before Vedic science. We even have scientists to support us. Who will support you other than a terrorist? HAHAHA
अब उल्लू को दिन में नही दिखे तो बेचारे सूर्य की क्या गलती है? Dear owl, enjoy your owlhood till the day you realize the truth.

Slim Shaikh
God is everywhere.It is in latrine.It is in urine.But as it is not made up of matter it does not react with latrine and remain.So he maintains his purity.

@Shaik- I fail to understand only one thing , do you think you have enough intellect to rationally prove everything that Quran, as noted by Allah, is correct. Do you also think you have been given enough authority from a intellectual standpoint to call people names such as Kaafir. If Islam was the ultimate religion in the world, why do so many people in all Islam- dominant country living in absolute ruins and abject poor conditions of Life. I am talking of fundamental economics here, in case you understand. Secondly, why do you / people of Islamic origin try and convert people or kill them if they do not abide by what your profess. Thirdly, you claim that Allah is the only true God, then tell me why did he not punish Muhammad for claiming his adopted son’s wife Zainab, why was he not admonished for claiming life of innocent people in his spree to convert folks to his professy.Fourthly, if Allah is true God, why does Islam give a message that whosoever does not abide by islam and does not pray Allad will suffer in hell. This goes on to prove that Allad desires attention and sheer majority of folks on it’s side to maintain his stature. Ideally, GOD shall be selfless and devoid of any emotions/ feelings based on what the orientation of a person is- be it theistic, non- believer agnostic etc. This is what ideally Ved’s tell us- GOD does not get biased by whether you believe in its existence or you don’t. Your life and afterlife is only governed by what you do- your deeds-Karma.
Answer these questions in detail if you can.
Lastly, start finding better aspects in religion, be it any, Islam, Vedic dharm, Christianity etc. and rationally question what your religion teaches you is JUSTIFIED from a logical perspective.
Everything in Ved’s can be rationally analysed and proven. Can you prove the same in your Principal Religion or philosophy.
Before you answer, find out CHild Thighing, real arabic meaning of the word’ Nikah’ and its origin.
And my humble request, that you be gentle and use dignified langugage while debating on this forum. No one has the right ot intrude dignity of any other being for no reason.

A sanskrit scholar or phd in sanskrit just means a person well versed in the language,It does not capacitate him mastery over the vedas , he could maximum translate them .. . .It does not take much to memorize a few verses and parrot them like Dr zakir .
It takes a” gyani” to interpret the them.

“If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up.” — Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.

“Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man.” — Krsna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6:5:8:2.
“Lord Indra himself has said, ‘The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.’ ” — Rig Veda 8:33:17.
“A discarded wife is one who has no son. For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity).” — Satapatha Brahmana 5:3:1:13.

The following quote from the Atharvaveda samhita appears to be another
sanction of niyoga:”Agni the heat gives bride to him who is her husband,
with splendour and long life. May her husband enjoying lengthened life
live hundred autumns. O bride! At first you are the wife of Soma, the
most powerful force of the child-hood, Gandharva, the force working in
the body in the age when menstruation begins and desire of being in
house-hold life takes its initiation, is the next husband of yours, the
third husband of yours is Agni, the heat of the body and fourth is your
husband who is born amongst men. Whom the Soma hands over to the
Gandharva, it gives to her to Agni and consequently Agni gives this
bride, wealth, and sons to me, the husband, O bride.” — Atharva Veda
14:2:2-4.
What about these mantras you aryaas .Do you have any justification???

@hyder
<<<>>>>
Yeah we do have one, its like ‘bandar(hyder) ke haath mein ustra(shlokas)’. Hope, you get it.

If there is no answer you always say these.Accept that this is the mistake in vedas.

Everybody is trying their bit to get the things into your thick skull. But it seems nothing can get pass through it.

Kyo mantro ke arth ka anarth karate ho?

@ Vinay Arya,
Accept the mistake and come to the true religion Islam.The quotes are from your Vedas and not from any other books.

Mr. Blind HydeR
CaN’T YOU READ MY POSTS CLEARLY?cAN’T YOU SEE SOMETHING?i AM CRYING FROM PAST FOUR DAYS THAT YOU ARE MISINTERPRETATING THE vEDAS.tHE QUOTES WHICH YOU HAVE MENTIONED DO NOT HAVE THE MEANING WHICH YOU HAVE SAID.SO YOU COULDN’T PROVE vEDAS TO BE FALSE.

@ Fraud Vinay Arya,
Instead of crying please quote the correct meaning and thus prove the quotes are wrong.

HYder
This is secnd and the last time I am rewriting the real meaning.And also,I do not consider Krisna Yajurved to be right.I consider only Yajurved to be right.I just have Yajurved Samhita and there is not Krisn Yajurved.
Atharvaved 18.3.1 talks about niyog.It says” a wife whose husband is dead and wants to have child,she can have from a man whose wife is dead”.
Rigveda 8.33.7:ek shurveer brahmacharya va pran sanchay se balwan banata hai.

HYder
Atharvaved 14.2.1:anadi paramatma ki upasana karake vidwan log gunavati kanya ko yautik adi ke sath patikul me anad se rahane ke liye ashirvad deve
Atharvaved 14.2.2:jis parameshwar ke anugrah se ayushmati punyavati vadhu prapt hui hai,us paramatma se buddiman log prarthana kare ki usaka pati bhi yash aur kirti ko prapt howe.
Atharvaved 14.2.3brahmacharya purvak acharyakul me padhakar kanya vedadi shastra padhakr kisi brahmachari se hi vivah kare anya se nahi.

Atharvaved 14.2.4:jab kanya mata pita acharya se susikshit hokar yuvati ho jave vaisi stri se hi koi brahmachari vivah karake dhanvan va putravan bane.

So you don’t have answers to these hymns and you are saying that it is your last time – no more questions.Please clarify the statements clearly and then claim vedas are best.
“If in the process of negotiating betrothal there are first ten suitors of the non-Brahmana varna for a woman (the marriageable girl), all of them lose their claims of marriage and, only the Brahmin, the learned one, if he grasps her hand would be her husband and only he. Not even the man of Ksatriya varna and not even the man of Vaisya varna but only the Brahmin is the husband of the bride in such cases of claimants of betrothal, and the sun, as it appears, revealing this fact to the people of five classes (4 varnas and the fifth avarna) rises up.” — Atharva Veda 5:17:8-9.
“Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man.” — Krsna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6:5:8:2.
“A discarded wife is one who has no son. For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity).” — Satapatha Brahmana 5:3:1:13.

Mr. Hyder
I never said that it was my last and the final reply.It is your foolishness to say this.I said that I am rewriting the last time.It means that I won’t rewrite the same thing and again.I never said that I won’t write anything.Can’t you understand such a simple language?
Also,I said that Krishna Yajurved is not a proof to us.You can quote only from Yajurved.Did you hear that or not?
Also,we are discussing about Vedas then why are you quoting shlokas from Satpath Brahmana.For your information,Satpath Brahmana is not any Vedas but rather an explanation of Vedas written and thought by Rishi-MUnis.So I can’t write its meaning here.However,your translation is completely wrong.
I have written down the translation of six mantras which you quoted from the true Vedas.Please see my previous post to see the translation.Next time,you again quoted Mantras from Krishna Yajurved.I had already told to not to quote from that.Quote from Yajurved.
This time,I can see that you have quoted only two mantras from the Vedas i.e. Atharv. 5.17.8-9.Other mantras that you have quoted are from Krishna Yajurved which we do not take as Vedas.SO below is my translation of the two mantras:
Atharvaved 5.17.8:jo aurat garbhpat karati hai aur jagat me jitane bhi bure karm hote hai ve sab brahma vidya na hone ki vajaha se hote hai.
Atharvaved5.17.9:brahmana hi sabake rakshak hai.
Brahmans are those who have knowledge
Kshtriyas are those who are soldiers
Vaishya are those who sell their products in the market.
Shudras are those who are iiliterated.
So,only Brahman can save us not others.Because knolwedge is a boon to us.
So your

Mr.Vinay Arya,
Give the explanations in English instead of Hindi.I don’t know your Hindi so explain it in English.Just by avoiding the quotes krsihna yajurveda and Satapatha Brahmana you are trying to escape.Please explain those hymns.
Woman is the source of sorrow. At birth she makes her mother weep. At the time of the puberty she makes her parents weep. At the time of the marriage she makes all her family members and relatives weep. In youth she commits lot of blunders and brings bad name to the entire family, relatives and Varna . She tortures the hearts of her parents, husband and other family members. She is called ‘DARIKA’ because she is source of sorrow to all. (Aithareya Brahmana)

Mr. Hyder
Atharv. 15.17.8:The woman who kill the child before the birth is punished by the God.All of the bad works that are happening in the world are due to ignorance.People do not know Vedas.
Atharv 15.7.9:It is only Brahman(not God) which can save humanity.No other varna can save the humanity.Because knowledge shows the right path.
Atharv,14,2,4:This mantras explains the eligibility of a woman to marry.Only those woman should marry who have complete their education.They must have remained celibate.They should have never leaked her semen even in her dreams.This kind of purest woman should marry only to a celibate.It means that male should also be a celibate.He must also have completed his education.Otherwise no one is marrigeable.
Atharv 14.2.3:A woman should study in school the whole Vedas being a celibate.She should study th Vedas and the true science thoroughly with proof.
Atharv 14.2.2:The celibate very well educated should marry to a great celibate and scholar only.The man to which the woman is married should do hard work to earn money,feed children,giving education to the children etc.
Atharv 14.4.1:The parents of the woman should let her live the marrigeable life happily.They should not be the obstacle in her happiness.

Rigveda 33.8.7:A soldier should be a celibate.He should not waste his semen.He should eat health food.He should do daily useful exerise which strengthens the body.He should save the country from the evil.

Mr.HYder
You have talked to a boy called “Vinay Arya”.Get ready.I am coming to change your life.You will accept my religion.Here,go I
Yajurved :20.17:No human being should commit any sin.If they commit then they should say to the king that they have done a sin and the king should give him punishment as much as he can.,
Mr.Hyder
Why are you misinterpretating this mantra.You have misinterpreted all the mantras.You should know that I will not let you post on this forum.Your hanbds will not be able to type out here.WHat have you thought of your self.Would you and your fool Muhammad be able to destroy aryas.No No No.You will be destroyed first then your complete cult.Mr.,. Hyder this should be the last time you are misinterpretating the Vedas.If you would do it next time,I would go to supreme court and would file a case against you.There are many lawyers who are my best friend in the court.Beware of m,you will not be forgiven.Either you will have a death sentence or you will speand your remaining time badly in the jail.
And then ext time,my reply would be of threats.If you would agains say the same thing,I would not say by the words but I would say with hands,stick,mguns and bombs with police.

Vinay – You are telling some blunders.You are caught here.Please see the article vedas and shudra and see this mantra there.So you should register case against the website.Either you or Agniveer is wrong.Tell us the truth.

Hahaha So agniveer is wrong. You accepted that.So Mr.Vinay i am the same hyder but i changed my web address name for commenting in this website because Agniveer blocked me because i had shown a mistake in his article.!!!!!!!!!Shame on you guys!!!!!!!!

See,this is not very big mistake.The problem is not with Agniveer.The problem is with the non-sense written by you.You just want to destroy the Vedic religion.You say that Vedas are not divine which has no proof.Earlier you tried to mis-translate.But I tried to say to you the real meaning.I think at least 8 mantras were corrected by me i.e. I told you the real meaning.But,you did not look at tthem and tried to put one more non-sense.Your aim is to defame the Vedas.That’s why you are wrong.
See,Hyder
We should always accept the truth and decline the false.We would say that we are wrong if you would be able to prove that we are wrong.But if you are not able to prove then why should we accept ourselves to be false.But if we are able to prove you to be false then it must be your duty to accept the truth.If both the Hindus and Muslims(there is no Arya in t he world,even I am not) would accept the truth and decline the false then there can be complete peace established.Your claim is that Islma means peace then why can’t you join with us instead of saying false.We say that our puranas are false.We say our 99 upanishadas are false.We say that many kalp srciptures are false.Then why can’t you accept the bible to be false.You should be free of making decision rather than blindly taking one’s side.

Vinay brother, please go through this especially the last paragraph.
http://daretoreason.blogspot.com/2007/11/islam-means-peace.html
Scholarly works are full of researches debunking the myths that Islam is religion of peace.

@mohammed
__________Hahaha So agniveer is wrong____________
Not Agniveer but all people are wrong who do not believe in Quran & Prophet words. Brother Hyder I have defeated all the patrons of Agniveer. They always run away when I come here to post comment. They have no proof Quran is wrong book. Their prophet (Dayanand) himself said if any book contain a single error book can not be divine. Quran is only book in world which is free from errors. You will not find even a single error in Quran. That is the proof of Quran’s divinity.

Mr. SLim Shaik
Your statement is that prophet Dayanand said something.It is to be noted that Dayanand Saraswati was not any prophet.Prophets exist only in Islam.But there is not Prophet in Vedic religion.WHy are you using the word “Prophet” again and again?
Your statement is that you defeated all the patrons of Agniveer.Can you make a more big joke than this?Whom did you defeat?Rather you were defeated by many of us.
Your statement is that we always run away when you come to post.Are we able to see you when you come to post so that we run away whenever we see you?Who runs away?It is you.You cannot talk with with logics.But if you really want to defeat anyone then please talk with logics.
How can you say Quran is free of errors?Was it revealed by the GodIf yes then please prove it?

Quran is a man made bogus book. All those who disagree with this well established fact are simply followers of Satan. Why not. Satanic Verses exist in Quran. This proves that Quran is revelation by Satan.
Satan created Mohammed and Mohammed is prophet of Islam. This is for jokers like Slim Shaikh who know NOT EVEN 0.0000001% of truth. http://www.1000mistakes.com/CorrectingRefuting.html
Slim Shaikh is biggest kaffir bcoz the book he follows is Satanic.

@Vinay
But I feel prophet means who preach truth based on science & logic. All the people who propagates truth are prophets like Agniveer.

i can feel ur blood poisoned such that the intellect is completely covered with mind which is completely dominated by ur senses, u will not understand this ofcourse but maybe u will understand this- proof of idiotic divinity of quran is 1)because it says it is divine 2)god made the earth flat 3)muhamed split the moon, yet it is one piece, or forgot to fuse it back , their is no scar in the moon of being half 4) women r pollution 5) god created non-muslims so that muslims would torture, kill them and even after death they will burn in hell eternally 5)embryology is bullshit 6th century concepts says first bone then muscle etc… no they all develop simultaneously with a complex plethora of cellular signalling 6) mUhamed enlightment state is typical symptoms of epileptic syndromes. 7)muhamed was illiterate, why wud god choose him? so he choose his own god 8)formless god worship requires 2 things- mecca and muhamed mandatory 9)religion spread through war and bloodshed 10)women are in hijab assuming that all men are perverts and all women deserve no identity, honour, respect – this is the pakistani mind(75%)

even the most religious muslims Love eating meat(cow, mutton, chicken) and thus their minds are very unstable. Meat products are very rich in cholesterol, larger the animal more it is, and cholesterol is the source of all sterols in the body(hormones), but the command to produce comes from the brain(hypothalamus), which can be blocked, more the hormones, stronger will be your behavior, emotions, motivations. more is the happiness and sorrow, anger and love, distraction of mind, unable to concentrate or study with reasoning so just rattafy and the secret poison of desire n lust(exact opposite of BG) in addition to CardioVasDis. Veg diet if of few varieties do not cause vit B6/12 deficiency as meat eaters claim. i am a live evidence as well as a witness of this.

Is Bible not genuine AND WHAT IS THE MYTHS IN IT? Can YOU PROVE IT? LIKE, HOW YOU ARE GIVING EVIDENCES FOR ISLAM AND from the Quran in order to prove. In the same way? WHY DO NOT SHARE WITH PROOFS and evidences? Other wise, your are boosting that you and Vedas are the only best. Let other religious faith(Christians, Muslim) people see that your defense is moderated. what you say? why you say?

Bram Nathan Sir,
There are many myths in Christianity as well. In fact, Islam is a stolen concept from Christianity. If Islam has 1000 errors, Christianity would have at least 50. The detailed analysis is here: http://alturl.com/gofv8. Since there are many versions, let’s take KJ version. I will just pose errors related to 10 commandments here (I mean Exodus 20:1 – 17)
Commandment 1 speaks about monotheism.
If Christianity is monotheism – why Bible has 3 GOD concept? This was given to Moses much b4 birth of Jesus. This implies GOD later on changed his idea & made Jesus his equivalent. Is GOD imperfect to change his ideas?
Commandment 2 gives ban on even serving an image or likeness of anything.
Most importantly, GOD calls himself jealous. GOD says that hater’s punishment is given to children unto 3rd / 4th generation. WOW! GOD is cruel tyrant too. GOD will show mercy on those who loves him. GOD is egoistic also.
Commandment 3 is beyond understanding. GOD wants us to not to take his name in vain. GOD is so pissed up that he wants people to remember him in success times only (in other words, give him credit for all success they get, not the vain). This proves how Selfish GOD is.

Commandment 4 speaks about Holy Sabbath Day.
GOD tells us not to work at all on that day. GOD was idle before creation and he rested for 1 day after creating for 6 days. This implies that GOD supports idleness. This Sabbath day is holy. This implies that all other days are that of Satan. What pleasure does GOD gets in making everyone idle for entire day? Is this holy?
Commandment 5 is funniest. GOD tells to honor parents.
Good but what about orphans? How will you honor whom you don’t know?
Commandment 6 is a ban on killing.
A straight outright ban – wow GOD is self confused because if Anti Christian attacks us, we won’t kill. And yes – what about those micro organisms whom we killed unknowingly? It seemed that GOD had nothing to say so he said this commandment.
Commandment 7 is a ban on adultery.
Quran gives straight outright ban on alcohol despite the established fact that alcohol is of medicinal value provided taken in right amount. GOD must have prescribed an amount not the ban. Stupid religion has stupid concept. Bible GOD did the same with adultery. A straight ban despite the fact that adultery is must for creation, provided in right manner. How can you get birth if your parents did no sex. Does GOD wants everybody to come like Jesus ??? And what about Judges 21:10 – 24; Deuteronomy 20:10 – 14 which promote rape and slavery. Is GOD lunatic to let all that happen?

A detailed analysis of Commandment 7 is: http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
Commandment 8 is ban on stealing.
Why Bible was stolen from Judaism? Why Jesus history was stolen concept from Egyptian and Krishna tales? Bible itself is guilty of stealing major concepts from Pagan GODs. GOD supporting that religion which is full of thieves. What a psychopath.
Commandment 9 is ban on bearing false witness about neighbor.
Are we GOD to know which witness is false and which isn’t? Why GOD is narrow minded to only include neighbors here? So, we can bear false witness against those who aren’t neighbors.
Commandment 10 is ban on coveting anything of neighbors.
Again the same narrow mindedness. I guess that this GOD is definitely of Christian community only. Their GOD isn’t universal. How can he be? He is biased with Christianity. GOD is jealous as per commandment 2 – the typical characteristic of every Christian.
All this proves that like Quran, Bible also is an Anti GOD scripture. I challenge any Christian to answer all of the questions (related to 10 commandments & that of websites mentioned as well). They will answer like coward Mohammedans – scripture is wrongly interpreted. If this be the case, let them give proper interpretation (No Mohammedan ever did that). Christians say that Hindus are guilty on 2 commandments. Let’s see which commandment a Christian isn’t guilty?

Bible was criticized not only by me or some fellow Indians but also by Nobel Laureate / Oscar winner like George Bernard Shaw. He called Bible a collection of fairy tales and Jesus a hypocrite.
If a person speaks too high level things, which has nothing to do with reality, in Hindi, this is called – लम्बी लम्बी फेंकना । Read verses by Jesus. Details are here: http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm
When Jesus tells us to pray, he bluffs. According to him, by praying a Christian can throw mountain into sea by merely saying. If Jesus words be true; a Christian would have changed the functioning of humans but Alas! Christians contributed by Crusades i.e. destroying lives. It seems that a Christian can make Sun move around Earth. (Bible is geocentric book) or even get diseases cured by a priest (Bible says disease caused by Satan). Let me see which Christian can do so. If a GOD cannot teach anything valuable, what is the use?
Nothing against Christians but the foundation of Christianity is based on imaginary fiction. It is good sign that majority of Christians don’t take Bible and Christianity seriously. This has been the reason for progress of West in last couple of centuries.

BRAM NATHAN
Bible itself is a myth..
Read critically the Genesis –
1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Heavens ? How many heavens ?
Where is the Hell ? Is it in the earth or in the heaven ??
2. And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Darkness ?? Was not there the Sun ?
Spirit of God ?
Water ? where from the water came ?

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Ok.. Light means day….. So what is that which emits when we switch on the bulb ? Is it day too ??
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
To divide waters from waters ?? Why such a division at all ?
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
Ok… So the firmament that separated the waters is Heaven.. So First the earth was created.. Then Light… Then Light became day and darkness night…. Then the firmament (the heaven) was created….
Wait… Read the Gen:1:1 again…
God created the Heavens and Earth….
If the Heaven is already created.. What the Hell God did now ??
Is he mad ? or he just forgot that he had already created the Heaven.

Akhila Padhi Sir,
Please read Holy Bible Exodus 20 . 5
You would be shocked. GOD calls himself jealous. Tyrant too bcoz he charges father’s mistake onto children of 3rd / 4th generation & egoistic too bcoz criteria is hatred. This GOD is worse than a man.
10 commandments are proven false here: http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
Deuteronomy 13:13-19 shows how evil GOD is who wants entire village to be killed if 1 man is polytheist. Deuteronomy 22:20 speaks of death penalty to those lose virgnity. GOD himself forgets about his 10 commandments. Genesis mentions that light was created earlier and Sun / stars were created on 4th Day. GOD created light before its source. Interestingly, number of days were calculated in absence of Sun.
What a funny Belief!

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Oh Common… Not again… God again forgot that the earth is already created by him at Gen:1:1… What is he doing ??
11 And God said, Let the earth put forth grass, herbs yielding seed, and fruit-trees bearing fruit after their kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, herbs yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after their kind: and God saw that it was good.
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13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:
Let there be lights ?? Did not God say the same at Gen:1:4 earlier ? And called the Light as day and Darkness as Night at Gen:1:5
What he did now ? Now why at all he need light again to mark day and night ? There was morning, evening at night for last three days… Why at all a light needed ? Ok lets proceed…

15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
First created light – saw it was Good – named the Light as Day – and darkness as Night – Then created Light again to separate day and nights – (Surely he forgets what he did just a day earlier)
16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Greater Light to Rule the day – Which One ?
Lesser Light to Rule the night -Which one ?
17 And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth,
Ok… The Lights are fixed in the Firmament of Heaven… Those Greater Light and Lesser Light… There is water above the Firmament (See Gen:1:6-8).. So Water beyond the Greater Light….
By the way, a new doubt arised… How there used to be Morning, Evening, Night for last three days ??
Without the Greater Light ?????????

The world as you know is heading into more and more unstable condition, in every means – which means, it is not in any better condition than it was a few years ago and this is a one way journey, with increasing instability in the world as exactly told by Jesus Christ some 2000 years ago. I thought about quoting from the Bible so that it is not my version, but purely from the Bible – quoting as follows:
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled, for all these things must occur; but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines and pestilences and earthquakes in different places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then they will deliver you up to be afflicted and will kill you. And you will be hated of all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, and will betray one another, and will hate one another.
-Matthew 24:6-10
Christ said that these are just the beginnings and end (of the age) is not yet. Christ also said that in His name, a lot of Christians will be killed and people will betray one another and will hate each other – these are just beginning to happen now.
Jesus continues saying as follows:
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels of Heaven, but only My Father. But as the days of Noah were, so shall be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered into the ark. And they did not know until the flood came and took them all away. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Therefore watch; for you do not know what hour your Lord comes.
-Matthew 24:35-42

Another verse from Thessalonians records as follows:
For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.
-1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
In Matthew 24: 35-42 you may notice here that all are not taken! While some are taken, the others are left behind! Who will be taken? The Bible says as follows:
Mat_7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven.
-Matthew 7:21
Mar_8:38 Therefore whoever shall be ashamed of Me and of My Words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man shall also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.
-Matthew 8:38
You may ask when this would happen – Christ says as follows:
The heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels of Heaven, but only My Father. But as the days of Noah were, so shall be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered into the ark. And they did not know until the flood came and took them all away. So also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
-Matthew 24:35-39
You may wonder why Christians are going around the world to preach the Living Word of God and trying to get them to Christ – following is one of the main reasons for this, among many other equally important reasons (Following is the instruction by Jesus Christ, just before He ascended to Heaven):
Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days…

Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen.
-Matthew 28:19-20
This above event is termed as the ‘Rapture’, by Christians. As told by Christ, no one knows the exact date of time of the rapture so all what we could do is to be ready anytime. That does not mean that it would happen today or tomorrow – no – there are some other prophecies also to be fulfilled before this would take place. (due to time constraints, I cannot describe all here now)
Once the Rapture takes place, exactly in seven years, Christ will return again, this time to rule the earth – these are all vast topics and cannot just limit the descriptions in one or two paragraphs.
There are lots of scriptures on the Judgment, but following is a part Scripture on the Judgment:
And the Devil who deceived them was cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet were . And he will be tormented day and night forever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and Him sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And a place was not found for them. And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death. And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.
-Revelation 20:10-15
As I told you in my previous message, I can only guide you to the Light but it is entirely up to you to accept this or reject this. God has given us all a free…

Mr Akila Padhi and others,
Did all run away from here.At least you understand the correct pathway now follow it and come near to Jesus.He will forgive your sins.

Samuel;
I asked you some questions. You don’t know the answer so you decided to deviate from the topic. Why are you behaving the way Mohammedans do???
Leave it, coming to your response. What you quoted is about some day of judgement. First you proved that Bible is a stolen book from Vedas. Now, you proved that Jesus is stolen from Krishna. The symptoms of Universal dissolution are proven true as per Krishna. Jesus tells the same (sentences changed to avoid plagiarism getting caught.) Same is the rule in Hadiths. This proves that you Abrahamics are nothing but biggest thieves. Coming to Jesus. Look, he is a confused man.
http://www.evilbible.com/jesus_false.htm
Even if doomsday is near, we are happy with our Sanaatan Dharma because for us, the standard is Vedas – neither the BIBLE nor the QURAN nor the HINDU PURAN. Vedas say that you get birth after your death & this continues till you get salvation. So, the hour or day of judgement is for a Christian only NOT for rest of the world.

sir igot the true meaning of niyog that is order ,function ,duty and not like physical relationships

not to transgress; the translation is done by an illiterate thug.

Hi Ankur,
Had you gone to the website and read his explaination? how did you dicided him to be a illiterate thug. I am follower of Vedas, means also Agniveer fan. Please go through it and if possible and understood then explain the mantras in a right manner. I read the same verse and explanation from dayanand’s book and translated to english by ( forgot the name). He is the knowledgable person of 4 vedas ( including aparavidya). Please can you take back those comments. visit that website and read his history, if possible visit him and ask questions to know very well. Please do not be angry with me, Once again i request to read his articles and answers on his website and if you do not agree let me know. Sorry for suggesting you. I reject the false and accept the truth and THE TRUTH ONLY….