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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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The last 2 months have been among the most eventful in history of Indian news. India seems to have finally woken up to the cause of elimination of corruption. Each day in last 2 months was like a new twist in the novel. And yet Agniveer site was oddly completely silent during this entire period.

There have been speculations and concerns regarding Agniveer’s silence. We are indeed thankful to all our patrons for their affection. We want to announce that Agniveer is back in visible action.

The apparent break of last two months had several compelling reasons. The first and foremost was the need to perform a self-audit. Often we get swayed in preaching others and lose track of the proportion of that preach which translates into our own way of life. It is easy to get distracted and transform oneself into yet another showman who may earn a lot of reputation and respect, but lags far behind in genuine action and own spiritual development.

We believe in Vedic philosophy of knowledge-action-contemplation triad in order to achieve the Supreme – the ultimate goal of our life. In the last 2 months, we were performing an alignment between the three with specific focus on the third leg. And we return much more invigorated and clear of our future directions. Much more humble, much more honest and much more aware of our own follies. We return much more surer that our efforts would be much more genuine and intentions even nobler.

A second purpose – which was in reality an extension of the previous reason – was to pave foundation for ground-level concrete actions for Vedic transformation of society. Internet is truly an effective medium but there is a huge world beyond internet that also deserves our focus. To reach out to the masses, we need system, processes, resources and work plan. We do not want to reach out as yet another organization that starts with a noble purpose and then becomes a prisoner of its own cage. For various reasons, the original vision is lost, short term profits and fame become primary goal, you gradually get more and more distracted and soon what is left is a caricature of the original mission. This is the irony affecting almost all large social/ spiritual organizations of today. The goal of Agniveer is not to create yet another structure with similar destiny. Its purpose is to permeate across all structures like Agni and perform the Ahuti that brings bliss to all.

All this requires significant planning, especially in earlier stages. To grow big and powerful is not difficult. To ensure that Vedic vision gets more and more clear in this growth is the real challenge. This was an underlying theme of our activities of last 2 months.

Of course Agniveer team could not have remained passive in the last 2 months of crusade against corruption. This also took significant time and energy specially because our overriding priorities dictated us to do so silently considering the larger goals.

The results of this 2 months of Tapasya have been very encouraging. There is still some basic homework to complete before mission proceeds in a streamlined fashion. However we want to assure our patrons that we are very much in action and much more prepared to achieve our collective goal.

We shall be resuming content generation in next few days. And very soon we shall be working in full throttle on internet as well as among masses. We would be soon sharing our plans and activities to enhance the throttle further through your proactive participation.

We thank you all for your blessings.

O Lord of the Universe! May all vices be eradicated and we achieve whatever is noble and pure!

Read Post Disclaimer

It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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  2. Pranam Agniveerji. We all are agniveer. The intellectual against all devil is agniveer. Rejecting falsehood and accepting truth is agniveer. Dhanyawad.

  3. Great to see Agniveer/Satyagni back…Let Truth triumph and falsehood perish! Lets reestablish the Vedic homeland all the way from Kanyakumari to Kashmir and beyond!

  7. who according to u is god and why (according to vedas)?
    What should be the ultimate goal of humanbeings? Agniveer pls explain me this i need to know this very desperatly.still their are many qustion in my mind. u can send me email to [email protected]

  8. it seems that this site (owner) has studied only 4 vedas…what about 108 upanishadas, 16 puranas out of which Bhagwat puran which was wrote in the last by Vyasdev as a conclusion of the whole Vedantasutra as instructed by his spritual master Naradmuni. I don’t want to hert any body but we can’t just leave them as they are also as authorised as the 4 vedas.

    • @Vishal

      dear brother,

      no hindu scripture even comes par with the Vedas, I know you want to give importance to other scriptures like upanishads and puranas, but if you read upanishads and puranas, they themselves declare Vedas to be ultimate, so if you look closely, we are giving the primary focus to Vedas as agreed by all other hindu scriptures. I suggest you read some articles on this site, as they would be helpful in answering your questions.

  9. Pranam Brother Vishal. Vedic God is ultimate. Some noble persons such as Swami Dayanand described Him as formless and some great souls such as Pravupada described as an formful (i.e. KRISHNA). In Bhagvad Gita Lord narrates, ‘It doesnot matter whether you are worshiping formless God or formful God. Ultimately you are worshiping me’. Now there you will get some interesting verdict. Some would say that Krishna was a great soul but not God. Some would say Krishna is the supreme (i.e. God). I (personally) assume God is both formless and formful as He is omnipotent. Dhanyawad.

  10. pranam sprit u seem to be intellengent in understant the vedantasutra. i also agree that god is formless and formful but to whom we should worship and how.
    We cant concentrate on omnipresent formless god then how to meditate upon him… its difficult.

    • @vishal:

      The Vedantasutras need to be studied consistently with the Upanishads by the same author. Regardless of the Darshana one follows – Karma, Bhakti or Jnana, all of them eventually lead to the same goal.

      • That being said, IMO, this website’s purpose is NOT to discuss differences between different Darshanas. It distracts from the main goal which is to purge India of West Asian/Middle Eastern death cults!

    • Dear Vishal jee,

      In short, the shlokas 45 to 48 of chapter 18 in the Geeta answers your questions in brief. It’s hard to understand with these shlokas only but still one can have a good idea of how to worship the Ishwar. To know completely, read all the Geeta many times with the commentary of Shree Adi Shankaracharya and swami Ramsukhdas. A company of honest Sanyasi can help you a long way.

      Om shanti Om.

  12. Pranam Brother Vishal
    Perhaps you are searching the easiest way to worship God. You will get this explained from Srimad Bhagvad Gita. The lord has said that it is easy to worship Him as a formful (ie Krishna Himself) rather than formless. It is same thing whether you worship shapeless God or Shapely God. But asking about meditation I am not sure that it is possible of meditation in space (of formless God). But I, myself, have tried it. I found a lot easier to meditate in Him when He was a shapely. Whenever I tried to attend in formless God my mind started wending. But when I gave Him a structure my mind just got paused and was successful in meditation.
    That was my experience. But it may vary for person to person.
    You can question about my structure worshiping. But it is not that I am worshiping that structure. My ultimate aim is God not that structure. The is helpful for my mind (because it keeps going here and there).
    Dhanyawad

  13. Pranam Brother Vishal
    Perhaps you are searching the easiest way to worship God. You will get this explained from Srimad Bhagvad Gita. The lord has said that it is easy to worship Him as a formful (ie Krishna Himself) rather than formless. It is same thing whether you worship shapeless God or Shapeful God. But asking about meditation I am not sure that it is possible of meditation in space (of formless God). But I, myself, have tried it. I found a lot easier to meditate in Him when He was a shapeful. Whenever I tried to attend in formless God my mind started wending. But when I gave Him a structure my mind just got paused and was successful in meditation.
    That was my experience. But it may vary for person to person.
    You can question about my structure worshiping. But it is not that I am worshiping that structure. My ultimate aim is God not that structure. The is helpful for my mind (because it keeps going here and there).
    Dhanyawad

  14. Pranam Brother Krishna Arya. I was shocked when u said meditation is removing of all senses. But a question arises there. What causes you to switch back from meditation to ur normal position? It cant b senses as u already lost them. Therefore, I hav another meaning of it and slightly differ with you. DHANYAWAD

    • actually i could not get correct english words to explain what i tended to say!

      but ya i gave a link and i am sure you would have checked it!
      if you still differ from my view there’s no problem!

      🙂

      but just don’t take those words literally actually i wished something else… which you can infer from the book correctly!!
      🙂

    • @ Spirit /krishna
      This is part of Article from http://satyavidya.org/
      Dhyna nirvishyam manah|
      This is an axiom of Sankya Darshan. Dhyan is the state of mind in which it is devoid of all thoughts and fluctuations. Seeing, hearing,smelling,tasting, and touching are the fives senses. When the mind keeps away from these senses, it is a state of Dhyan. Seeing idol with eyes does not constitute Dhayan. When the soul is disconnected itself from outside world of action of seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling and touching and engrosses itself in the meditation of God who is truth-consciousness bliss, and All pervading, it is in the state of Dhyan. God is all bliss: the soul which is eternal and conscious, can enjoy bliss when it comes into contact with Him. Idol is inanimate. That is why the Muslim invaders could break and destroy the idols of Somanath and Vishwanath of Kashi.

      • “Dhyan is the state of mind in which it is devoid of all thoughts and fluctuations. Seeing, hearing,smelling,tasting, and touching are the fives senses. When the mind keeps away from these senses, it is a state of Dhyan.”

        exactly gave words to what i wished to say!! and ‘lol’ i used wrong terminology by saying “stop the senses”! stupid me !! 😀

  15. Pranam Agniveerji good to to see you back.

    We are really missing your new articles and looking forward for your new articles, Dhanyawad.

  16. Pranam Brother Truthseeker

    There is no problem if you have the different definition of meditation with me. You think that when the mind keeps away from these 5 senses, it is a state of Dhyan. But what then your mind do?

    I have my own definition. Meditation means to achieve a state in which the mind is saturated with God consciousness. And in that situation I don’t need to open my eyes or something to see God. I just feel Him and His transcendental spiritual appearance. In my way God is not impersonal.

    The rays coming from your all body is hurting my eyes and thus I see you. Now question is there. What I see? I don’t see you. I see your rays. So is it wise enough to say that you are nothing but rays? Yes, your rays are impersonal but you are personal.
    Thus the impersonal Brahman is the ray of Personal God. Brother, it doesn’t matter whether you believe it or not but the truth will remain all the same.
    The Supreme Lord who is eternally blissful is considered as having a spiritual body with personality, qualities and attributes. So whenever I meditate (Dhyan), I am actually meditating in Him. What is the word ”I” here?
    ”I” is not the physical body, it is a transcendental, eternal spirit or soul whatever you say. ”I” is not judged by the body. ”I” is the spark and the God is the fire. Both the fire and the spark are fire, but one is big and the other is very small. Unlike the relationship between the spark and the fire, however, our relationship with God is eternal.
    Another thing I am not an idol worshiper. I am worshiper of personal, attributed, transcendental, spiritual God (ie Krishna)
    Dhanyawad

  17. i completly agree with u sprit. God is personal. Just as sunrays come to earth this does not mean that only truth is sunrays. It comes from sun which has form that is truth. Similarly God has form and the light about which the impersonalist talk about is the effulgence coming out of God(krishna) it is called Bramhajoti. After death they go in bramhajoti and again come to this material world because they were worshiping that light.

  18. Really its great to see agniveer site back. Expecting to read more articles on vedic dharma and to realize the self
    Dhanyavad

  19. नेह नानास्ति किञ्चन, सर्व खलु इदं ब्रह्म
    Diffrent religions r personal experiences n thoughts of different persons so it is unscientific to follow them. Choose ur way 4 personal experience

  21. pranam.
    Adi Shankaracharya is a known incarnation of lord shiva and his work was to establish vedas as they were denied by lord Buddha. Lord Buddha did so b’coz as the start the bramhan class of men started to degred and were using vedas for their own benifit and sensegratification n they use to do animal sacrifice by help of vedas. To do animal sacrifice the bramhan need to be having very bramhinical qualities. So lord buddha discarded knowledge of vedas althoug he is lord vishnu from whom all the vedas have came from.

    • Namaste Vishal

      With all due respect I would say that your theory does not offer satisfactory solutions to the questions below

      1. Why not Buddha taught the right meanings of Vedas to the masses as Shankar (assuming he understood Vedas correctly) did? Why he chose to deny his very work?

      2. Why so much difference b/w the approaches of two incarnations, one believed in correcting and other in denying?

      3. Do you find it logical to believe in multiple Gods or you mean Vishnu and Shiva are Devas but not Eeshvar?

      4. What was the purpose of whole creation?

    • @vishal:

      First of all, this is completely unrelated to the thread in question. Yet, I am not very particular about maintaining thread purity although I would prefer if it is adhered to.

      Now, coming to Buddha, he was no doubt a great philosopher and personality. There WAS perversion within Hinduism during his time – such as mindless pursuit of rituals, caste system, etc. and he set out to correct these.

      But Buddha himself took recourse to the Upanishads to frame his theory of Dukkha, etc. The idea that everything in the outside world is temporary preceded Buddha and can be found in many Upanishads that pre-date him. Buddha himself wouldnt deny the existence or non-existence of the soul. It was his followers who embraced nihilism because they did not want to associate themselves with Vedanta.

      You earlier said:

      ok brother my mistake. Actually i din’t know the purpose ok of this site. I will try to ask relavant qustions.

      Why exactly do you want to bring in Buddhist discussion on this thread? Search the site for an article related to Buddhism and post your questions there.

  22. Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.24
    ” tatah kalau sampravritte sammohaya sura-dvisham buddho namnanjana-sutah kikateshu bhavishyati”
    SYNONYMS: tatah — thereafter; kalau — the age of Kali; sampravritte — having ensued; sammohaya — for the purpose of deluding; sura — the theists; dvisham — those who are envious; buddhah — Lord Buddha; namna — of the name; anjana- sutah — whose mother was Anjana; kikateshu — in the province of Gaya (Bihar); bhavishyati — will take place.
    TRANSLATION: Then, in the beginning of Kali-yuga, the Lord will appear as Lord Buddha, the son of Anjana, in the province of Gaya, just for the purpose of deluding those who are envious of the faithful theist.
    PURPORT: Lord Buddha, a powerful incarnation of the Personality of Godhead, appeared in the province of Gaya (Bihar) as the son of Anjana, and he preached his own conception of nonviolence and deprecated even the animal sacrifices sanctioned in the Vedas. At the time when Lord Buddha appeared, the people in general were atheistic and preferred animal flesh to anything else. On the plea of Vedic sacrifice, every place was practically turned into a slaughterhouse, and animal-killing was indulged in unrestrictedly. Lord Buddha preached nonviolence, taking pity on the poor animals. He preached that he did not believe in the tenets of the Vedas and stressed the adverse psychological effects incurred by animal-killing. Less intelligent men of the age of
    Kali, who had no faith in God, followed his principle, and for the time being they were trained in moral discipline and nonviolence, the
    preliminary steps for proceeding further on the path of God realization. He deluded the atheists because such atheists who followed his principles did not believe in God, but they kept their absolute faith in Lord Buddha, who himself was the incarnation of God. Thus the faithless people were made to believe in God in the form of Lord Buddha. That was the mercy of Lord Buddha: he made the faithless faithful to him. Killing of animals before the advent…

  23. Pranam Brother Vajra

    I am really a great fan of yours and your comments. I love to see your coments and get appreciated with your efforts.

    1. Mentioned in Brother’s Vishal’s comnts. And respected Adi Shankaracharya preached the mayavad illusion where there is no distinction bw God and souls. Do you agree with that theory???

    2. why there is difference bw approaches??? Brother vishal has mentioned.

    3. Brother I don’t kno whether u intentionaly raised this point. why you think that we are polytheists. we are monotheist and believe in Bhagvan (Eshvar for you). And asking about Shiva, Brahma , Indra,……. they are demigods and all are worshiper of God….supreme God is Lord Narayana.

    4. You know brother wat was the intention bhind the creation.

    Dhanyawad

  25. @vraja
    Brother the god has a master plan for the peopel of kaliyuga. Their are thre typs of peopel Athists, Mayavadis and Sakarwadi. The plan is that god has to take peopel of kaliyuga from athist to mayavdi and then to sakarwadi(peopel beliving in formful god krishna). Athist peopel cant understand directly the sakarwad so go first sent Sankarcharya to preach mayawad and then after few hundred years Madhvacharya came and preached sakarwad and told god is one and only one that is krishna and all other demigod are his expansion to run this world just like the cabinet ministers of any country.
    Thus by the conclusion of all vedantsutra it is reveled that KRISHNA IS THE SUPREM PERSONALITY OF GOHEAD. Even sankarchary in his last days used to say his dicipels”bhaja govinda bhaja govinda”

    • Brothers Spirit and Vishal

      My basic question was why the two incarnations chose DIFFERENT approach in the SAME situation? And whose approach you find better and why? Concept of Kaliyug as you mentioned is again not very convincing. I can ask why God created Kaliyug to be necessarily sin dominated? It violates the Law of Karma.

      ———-Lord Buddha, a powerful incarnation of the Personality of Godhead,———

      Why does God need incarnation?

      Brother Spirit..

      Purpose of creation for Vishal is not the same as for us. His theory is based on different assumptions than us. So there is difference. But anyway I would not go deep into this discussion. Just follow what you find most logical and moral. I saw somewhere that you believe Eeshvar is omnipotent and thus He is both formless and with form. IMO this kind of omnipotence is more of a weakness than strength. Because with this model of God, you can never establish truth against falsehood. Someone can very innocently ask you, cant God, being omnipotent, be on the side of falsehood instead of Truth?

  26. @vajra
    God means he is suprem powerful, suprem beutiful….and everything suprem. He is god he is omnipotent still he maintains his medium size body. He is not under laws of nature. He can take birth as he wants when he wants i which form he wants.
    Eg. Narshinga dev he was born from pillars and he was not a child when he was born, but a large size half man half lion form. So this shows that he can do whatever he thinks bcoz whole world only belongs to him. Ur qustion that why god created this world…their is also answer for this and not only this but to ur every qustion u have.
    Even Bramha the creator of universe did not understand God(Krishna) what to speak of us. God can be understoon only by the process of bhakti by serving him and his devotees and not by just our interpretation of by appling the rules of this world. He is above all this laws.

  27. Pranam Brother Vajra. I m realy delighted dat u responded. Brother, u said ‘why difernt aproach in da same situation?’. Brother cud i ask how da situation is same. The Krsna situation had been abt 50 centuries ago. And buddha was abt 2600 yrs ago (atheistic dominated era). So da situations differ……….. Kalyuga is not sumthng where God predestines sin doing for w/men. It is general dat people in dis yug start cheating, etc. etc. And brother it doesnt violate da law of karma. Coz u vl stil get result out of ur karma. You cant say dat people dont rebirth in this yug, can you? So the law of karma is intect………………….. SimadBhagvad Gita (ch. 4 v. 7-8) ‘ yada yada hi dharmasya glanirvawati bharat . Ovutthyanam adharmasya tadatmanam srijayhmaham. Paritranaya sadhunam binashaya cha dushkritam. Dharma sansthapanarthaya sambhawami yoge yoge.’ do u deny the verses? …………..if sum1 innocently asks me, ‘can God b in side of falsehood?’ i ud also ask him, ‘ can a just ruler b in da falsehood side?’. So brother u see both the questions r sign of foolishness. Nevetheless, I vl follow my dear brother Vajra. Dhanyawad brother

    • Bro Spirit

      1. I asked about Buddha and Shankar and not Krishna and Shankar.
      2. Why is the change from Dwapar to Kaliyug so discrete? What happens at the interface? You will end up denying Law of Karma I know it. Think over it calmly.
      3. Shri Krishna as a soul desired to destroy evil again and again and so do I. Does that make me God?
      4. So you agree that Eeshvar cant do injustice! So how can He change His property of being formless or possess contradictory traits?

      Thanks for showing me respect. But you should follow truth (that looks reasonable to you) alone irrespective of what any Vajra says.

      Dhanyawad

      • Pranam Brother Vajra,

        1. I said about Buddha and Krishna not about Krishna and Shankar. Krsna and Buddha are both incarnation of Lord Vishnu..
        Now coming to your Adi Shankaracharya and Lord Buddha. Why Lord Buddha preached this atheism is explained above by Brother Vishal. Adi Shankaracharya is the incarnation of Sri Shiva not Lord Narayana. He preached the advaita mayawad illusion. But in his last few days he taught his disciples, Bhaja Govinda Bhaja Govinda. Now you can ask why Shiva went opposite to Lord Vishnu. It is also described in scriptures. Shiva narrates to Parvati, ” I will incarnate as Shankar very soon and preach the mayavad theory as it is ordered by Lord.”

        2. Brother have you performed the calculus? Have you done the differentiation? If you did differentiation you must have noticed that the thing change dramatically with respect to the variable. For instance sinx differs as the value/magnitude of cosx. Moreover, it happens only respect to variable “x”. And brother you are talking about change of Yugs. Think differently. Brother I shall never deny the law of Karma. Bhagvan or Eshvar is not under the nature. But as He the greatest, He never breaks His rules of Karma. He also brings Himself under the laws of Karma when He incarnates.

        3. Brother could I ask you a thing? Have you ever gone through Srimad Bhagvad Gita? If you have gone through you must have seen there wherever Sri Krishna narrates it is said as ” Sri Bhagvan Uvaca”. Now brother can you please tell me what is the meaning of “Bhagvan”? And you said somewhere that “—Sri Krishna as a soul”—- How could He say this as a soul? A soul is eternal but not all knowing and not as affirmative as He. Is a soul so strong, determined as Lord to narrate “yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati Bharata…..”?

        4. I never said anywhere in my post that ” God cant do injustice”. If I say that it makes my Lord accused of not being Lord. I said ,” He never does injustice”. What is greatness? One is great who has every potent to…

      • do everything but never does any injustice to anyone. There lies the greatness of Lord. Sri Krishna is not impersonal, He is personal. He is not formless. He has a divine form not the shit form as we have.
        Plz brother don’t mind if I have done anything silly. I am always ready to accept the truth and reject the falsehood what is the slogan of Agniveer. But I won’t accept any blatant.
        Dhanyawad

  28. Pranam Brother Vajra i can disprove. But not today, tomorrow. Coz i m in journey now and vl reach home late night. Dhanyawad

  29. yes i can disprove that.
    Ask agniveer or any person who claims to be god to LIFT A MOUNTAIN ON HIS LEFT HAND LITTLE FINGURE FOR SEVEN DAYS AND SEVEN NIGHT.
    Ask him to touch his tongue to his elbow thats it… If he can do any of this then he is God.
    Bro.their is detail discription of every incarnation that have appere and that which will apper in the world with their Name Time Place and Activities that will be doen by them in shrmad bhagwatam and other puranas.

    • Brother Vishal

      1. Shri Krishna lifted mountain cant be proved logically. Textual proofs wont work here because I dont believe in Puranas. Can you tell me why should I believe in Puranas and not in Quran or Hadith?

      2. A man with twisted bones at elbow can easily pass your test to become God 🙂

  30. Pranam Brother Vajra. I shal try to respons ur 4 or 5 points next day surely. And a thing which i must say now is i don’t respect u for ur name ‘vajra’ but i respect u for ur valuabl and informativ cmnts. I respect u for ur sincerety which i hav been witnesing for so many dayz. When u said god is omnipresnt, omnipotent , etc i agreed but god is not formless brother. I shal discus it nxt tym brother. I m on mobil phn. Dhanyawad.

  31. @vajra.
    Why not U should belive i Quran, Bibak, Gurugrantha Sahib and all the scripture writen by vyasdev.
    Listen friend whatever i speak is TOP think. Quran and bibel are authentic but not complet. Jegus crist told to his dicipal that i have very much to tell u but u cant understand. Mohmad paigamber also told same to his dicipals.
    If u don’t accept puranas than u should not accept other vedas and upnishadas aswell because they are all return by same author Vyasdev.
    About that touching toung to elbow…god does not get fracture hands and twisted hand he is suprem beutiful suprem powerful.
    I have proved that Agniveer is not god. Look friend if u try to understand than it is very logical and easy. It is said that understanding god is simpel for the simpel and complex for the complex.

    • @vishal:

      If u don’t accept puranas than u should not accept other vedas and upnishadas aswell because they are all return by same author Vyasdev.

      The Vedas and Upanishads were composed by Vyasadev? I just pinched myself and it pained so I am not experiencing a dream for sure!

    • @vishal/Spirit
      1. If we believe Rama/Krishna were almighty God Then it is against God’s attributes that
      God is Ajanma (unborn), we can not say God is Ajanma. Because taking birth means to get body. If we say God is Ajanma that means God never incarnate. All scripture are agree God is Ajanma. & Krishna says in Shloka 3/15 Veda directly emanate from Parbarham (Almighty ) why not he declared Veda emanates from him. Even Krishna gave authority to Veda here.
      2. How can 700 Shloka can be preached when War were just about to start. Can a person talk of Yoga, what food to be eaten by one etc in the field of war.
      3. All Purans are against each- other. Shiva Puran says, Shiva is almighty & gave birth to Vishnu & Brahma. Vishnu Puran says Vishnu is almighty & gave birth to Shiva & Brahma. Devi Puran says, Devi gave birth to all & she is almighty. That is enough evidence Puran were not written by Veda-Vyas but written by Brahmans or Brahman corrupted them.

      Oh I forgot, you must read this article of Agniveer to understand things in batter way.
      http://agniveer.com/2728/god-vedas-hinduism/

  33. In ancient days we had the technology of making stones weightless..which we can understand frm ramayanam..where they build a bridge across the ocean..and later it submerged..so i think its not a fake thing to say that lord krishna lifted up the mountain on his little finger..and also we were aware of siddhis in yoga..

    There is the concept of the Ashta Siddhi (eight siddhis) in Hinduism. These are:

    Aṇimā: reducing one’s body even to the size of an atom
    Mahima: expanding one’s body to an infinitely large size
    Garima: becoming infinitely heavy
    Laghima: becoming almost weightless
    Prāpti: having unrestricted access to all places
    Prākāmya: realizing whatever one desires
    Iṣṭva: possessing absolute lordship;
    Vaśtva: the power to subjugate all.
    Ten Secondary Siddhis

    In the Bhagavata Purana, Lord Krishna describes the Ten Secondary Siddhis as:

    anūrmi-mattvam: Being undisturbed by hunger, thirst, and other bodily disturbances
    dūra-śravaṇa: Hearing things far away
    dūra-darśanam: Seeing things far away
    manaḥ-javah: Moving the body wherever thought goes (teleportation)
    kāma-rūpam: Assuming any form desired
    para-kāya praveśanam: Entering the bodies of others
    sva-chanda mṛtyuh: Dying when one desires
    devānām saha krīḍā anudarśanam: Witnessing and participating in the pastimes of the Gods.
    yathā sańkalpa saḿsiddhiḥ: Perfect accomplishment of one’s determination
    ājñā apratihatā gatiḥ: Orders or Commands being unimpeded .

  35. @truth seekar
    Krishna appeared not born. born means taking birth through a sex activity.
    both nanda maharaj and yasoda , vasudev and
    devaki didn’t concive krishna through sex.
    krishna appeared through their womb.

    • @vishal
      But Krishna said here
      3/15
      “Be it known to you that action arose from the Ved and the Ved from the indestructible Supreme Spirit, so that the all-pervasive, imperishable God is ever present in yagya”

      Here he had given authority to Veda.
      the way Krishna addressing makes clear supreme spirit is different from him.
      & You will notice only Vedic text/stuff/verse called mantra. You will never find Geeta Shaloka recited in Yajan/Haven etc. & considered as mantra.

      • Pranam Brother Truth seeker
        You have sought truth but preaching falsehood.
        Let’s see the verse below:
        Karma brahmodbhavam viddhi brahmaksara-samudbhavam
        Tasmat sarva-gatam brahma nityam yajne pratisthitam
        Meaning: One should understand that actions originate from the Vedic scriptures, the Vedic scriptures originate directly from the Supreme Lord; therefore the all pervading Ultimate Truth is established eternally in performing sacrifice unto the Supreme Lord.
        So what is problem there to accept Lord Krishna? It is explained very clearly that actions originate from the prescribed instructions of the Vedic injunctions and these actions put forth to accomplish these actions are called yagna or worship and appeasement. Brahman directly refers to the Vedas. Lord Krishna by stating the Brahman wants to emphasize the all-pervading substratum of all existence that is revealed by the Vedas and transforming from the mantras of the Vedas, the actions prescribed by the Vedas, the forces of nature, sun and clouds and rain, food and living beings. He Vedas as has been described earlier emanated from the imperishable Supreme Brahman, Lord Krishna. This is indicative of the Supreme Brahman as well as the soul within every living entity. The soul is known to be indestructible and all pervading. Through the auspices of the soul the body gets foods…..etc etc…..and performs things authorized by the Vedas. Therefore the all pervading and indestructible atma or soul utilizes a physical body which is its substratum in the same way as the material nature to perform actions and that without a physical body performing the activities prescribed in the Vedas, then yagna or worship is not possible.

        Now you will ask why Krishna referred to the Supreme authority not himself. Brother, it is all the same if He says, “Follow me” of “follow the Supreme”. For instance you have put your user name as “truth seeker” here but you have another real name (let say X). Isn’t it all the same if I address you as brother truth…

      • Pranam Brother Truth seeker
        You have sought truth but preaching falsehood.
        Let’s see the verse below:
        Karma brahmodbhavam viddhi brahmaksara-samudbhavam
        Tasmat sarva-gatam brahma nityam yajne pratisthitam
        Meaning: One should understand that actions originate from the Vedic scriptures, the Vedic scriptures originate directly from the Supreme Lord; therefore the all pervading Ultimate Truth is established eternally in performing sacrifice unto the Supreme Lord.
        So what is problem there to accept Lord Krishna? It is explained very clearly that actions originate from the prescribed instructions of the Vedic injunctions and these actions put forth to accomplish these actions are called yagna or worship and appeasement. Brahman directly refers to the Vedas. Lord Krishna by stating the Brahman wants to emphasize the all-pervading substratum of all existence that is revealed by the Vedas and transforming from the mantras of the Vedas, the actions prescribed by the Vedas, the forces of nature, sun and clouds and rain, food and living beings. He Vedas as has been described earlier emanated from the imperishable Supreme Brahman, Lord Krishna. This is indicative of the Supreme Brahman as well as the soul within every living entity. The soul is known to be indestructible and all pervading. Through the auspices of the soul the body gets foods…..etc etc…..and performs things authorized by the Vedas. Therefore the all pervading and indestructible atma or soul utilizes a physical body which is its substratum in the same way as the material nature to perform actions and that without a physical body performing the activities prescribed in the Vedas, then yagna or worship is not possible.

        Now you will ask why Krishna referred to the Supreme authority not himself. Brother, it is all the same if He says, “Follow me” of “follow the Supreme”. For instance you have put your username as “truth seeker” here but you have another real name (let say X). Isn’t it all the same if I address you as brother truth…

      • Brother Truth seeker

        I am not here to probe that you are wrong. You are the son of Eshvar so is I. So we are brothers.
        We should worship Him with the greatest efforts. That is my motto of saying. You can worship Him as formless no problem. I donot condemn your feelings. But at the same time you need to accept the truth. I will not force you to take it. But the fact is God is not formless only. He has a divine, transcendental form.

        Brothers whether you accept Lord Sri Krishna as Eshvar or not lets take oath that we will always remain brother and be preaching the Vedic religion.

        Dhanyawad

  36. @true seekar
    One should read bhagwatgeeta very scrutinizingly.
    He said in BhagwataGeeta”Janma karma ca me divyam”
    His birth and activities are wounderful
    beyond the human intelligence
    becuase he is God .
    If he come as God, showing all His
    potencies…etc….He cant perform His sweetest lilas as child, cowherd….etc

  38. When krishna appered in this world he appeare in deviki’s womb not by sexual activity. When he appeared in this world he was a four handed child with Shanka,Chakara,Gadha,Padma in his four hand and told them he have appered in this four handed form to tell u that i am not an ordinary child but the Suprem Personality of Godhead himself who have appeared to answer the prayers of demigod.

  39. u said only vedas were created by vyasdev. This is absolutly wrong . He also created Puranas and Upnishadas. U can read even in wikipedia. This fact is known to majority of hindu.

  40. @vishal
    All Purans are against each- other. Shiva Puran says, Shiva is almighty & gave birth to Vishnu & Brahma. Vishnu Puran says Vishnu is almighty & gave birth to Shiva & Brahma. Devi Puran says, Devi gave birth to all & she is almighty. That is enough evidence Purans were not written by Veda-Vyas but written by Brahmans or Brahmans corrupted them. Which Puran is ture?

    Vyas Was a great scholar, so puran is not written by Vyas Ji Maharah. Read below link given article before posting next comment.
    सनातन धर्म में सनातन क्या है ?
    http://letusthinkagain.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_12.html

  42. even Agniveer belives in Krishna to be Suprem Personality of Godhead. We had a long discussion on this.
    He don’t tell that becoz most peopel will not belive in it.
    He says that first peopel should raise their faith on hindu scripture and then after they will understand the higher thing. He regularly visits to krishna tempel.

    • @All

      This Vishal seems to be a Jihadi in Hindu disguise. He is excellent at Taqiyya.

      @Vishal

      1. Give us the link of this “long discussion” where Agniveer called Shri Krishna as God.
      2. I also want to see Agniveer. In which temple you saw them?

  43. @vishal
    I also believe Krishna was a greatest soul ever take birth. He was legend. I also fill with energy when think about him & he inspire us to go ahead on the path of truth. But that does not he was almighty. Because if God takes birth at a particular place, he/she should be considered partial. Why God does not take birth out of India? Why God taken birth only in India? By taking birth God has to be limited/finite you can measure in him width & heights. But God can not be measured.

    • Pranam Brother Truth seeker

      Your claim is baseless :). really.
      God is partial?????
      can you do a favor by telling how?
      For the fact: Why god incarnated in india????

      Brother, When (about 50000) yrs ago the world was known as “Bharatbarsha”…….more ago it was known as “ilabritabarsha”. so you can see the world was dominated by bharatiyas (ie arayans). and most of the population of the world lived in Bharat then and they were also civilized.So is it useful to incarnate in the dark forests of south africa? ;)……….. by now you would starting to ask how is it moral to leave away those 5-10% of population of africa??? are you asking that question?

      Dhanyawad.

  44. @vishal/sprite

    Rigveda mantra 6/50/14 states that God is ‘Ajah Ekpaat” (Aj= A +Ja) where “A” means ‘not’ and “Ja” means ‘birth’ i.e., God never takes birth or Avtar. ‘ Ekpaat’ means from His only one divine power, [Chaturansh in Yajurveda mantra 31/3 ] the world is created but God remains ever unchangeable. So, He was formless, is formless and will ever remain formless. His form is ever unchangeable and unchallengeable
    Yajurveda mantra 32/3 states “Na tasya Pratima Asti” i.e., Almighty God can never be measured.
    As in Yajurveda mantra 2/26, so is in Shwetashwataropnishad shlok 6/8 wherein it is mentioned that there is no reason to form a God and thus God is also formless i.e., nobody can make God but God creates universe from non-alive prakriti. Secondly the said Upnishad says that the deeds of God of creation, nursing, and destruction of universe are eternal, natural, and automatic. So naturally God needs no avtar to destroy Kalyug, earth, or devils etc., being Almighty i.e., God has all powers and is independent. Not God but only His powers are enough to control, create, nurse, destroy the universe. That is why Upnishad says that God has no desire to create etc., but it is eternal and natural and this sort of desire is named “IKSHAN” and not desire to create etc.

    To know more read Agniveer Article
    http://agniveer.com/2728/god-vedas-hinduism/

  45. @truth seeker
    What u said from rigveda is correct that god never take birth but he appers.
    His birth is not like ours or urs birth it is divine.
    U said that he is formless thats true but he is also formful and thats complet understanding of vedantsutra mens thats by reading vedas, puranas, and upnishadas, and not just vedas.
    If u tell that he can’t take form then u r limiting the power of the almighty. He can do anything, anything means anything ,he can be formless or formful both at a time ,but true understanding is that he is formful.

  46. Pranam Brother truthseeker

    Atharvaveda (7/3/2/1)

    tadvishno paramang padang sada pashyanti suraya:
    dibeeb chashuratatam

    translation : the scholars always see the limbs of Vishnu which is as spread as the eyes of divine (holy transcendetal place)

    Shwetashwatar Upanishad (3/16)

    Sarbat: panipadantat
    sarbtOrkshishirOmkham .
    sarbat: shrutimolloke
    sarbmabritya tishthoti .

    Do you need translation of that??

    Now your claim:
    Rigveda mantra 6/50/14 states that God is ‘Ajah Ekpaat” (Aj= A +Ja) where “A” means ‘not’ and “Ja” means ‘birth’ i.e., God never takes birth or Avtar. ‘ Ekpaat’ means from His only one divine power, [Chaturansh in Yajurveda mantra 31/3 ] the world is created but God remains ever unchangeable.

    I agree………
    But God is not formless……..Brother do you need explanation of my saying?

    Dhanyawad

    • @Spirit/Vishal
      God is formless as Yajurveda 40/8, Read word by word translation & response me again.

      “SA PRAYYAGAACHHUKRAMKAYAMVRANNAMSNAVIRAM SHUDHAMPAAPVIDHAM.
      KAVIRMANISHI PARIBHUHU SWAYAMBHURYATHATATHYATOARTHAN VYADDHACHHSHVATIBHYAHA SAMAABHYAHA”

      Yajurveda mantra 40/8 states that God is “SHUKRAM” Almighty, “AKAYAM” i.e., bodiless, so does not take birth, “AVRANNAM” hole less and can not be converted into any part, so soul is also not a part of God, “ASNAVIRAM” i.e., without nervous system, etc., “APAAPVIDHAM” sinless and does not love to those who are sinners, “PARI + AGAAT i.e., omnipresent, “KAVIHI” omniscient, “MANISHIHI” knows thoughts of every soul “PARIBHUHU” who keeps behind the culprits/sinners “SWAYAMBHUHU” who is eternal/beyond death and birth/has no father, mother etc.,

      • So brother truthseeker what conclusion shud i cum 2? God formless? How many times i refuted ur all suspects abt god not being formless. Do u agree that whatever we get is from god? The God has six opulences unendingly that none has? Do u agree the unverse belongs to god? Plz brother u r seeking truth but preaching falsehood. 🙁 dhanyawad.

  47. read completly ….

    suppose u have heard about some personality like say kapildev. So then u know that their is some person named kapildev. But that is not the complete knowledge about him we dont know what he does how he looks how he smiles what is his age what are his likes and dislikes. This all about him can be known by his friend relativis or the peopel who are in close contact with them. Similarly formless god this concept is also true but not complet . When u read upnishad and puranas specialy the Bhagwat puran(bhagwan means Suprem personality of god head or God…so Bhagwat geeta means songs of God and Bhagwat puran means all about God) then u will know that he also has beutiful form not comparabel with beauty any of the women in this world. Bhagwat puran is all about Krishna.
    U can find verses describing Krishna as suprem personality of god head. No other purana or veda or upnishada says any other to be suprem but only bhagwat puran and it is called paramam amalam means esscence of all puranas.

  48. Bhagwat puran is esccence of all the vedantsutra that is vedas upnishadas puranas samhitas. Bhagwat puran was writeen in the last and by simpel logic one should take the last things as it is the conclusion of the whole.
    Just like in 1st std they teach 2+3=5 but don’t tell them 2-3=-1 bcoz they dont understand that and this is teached in 5th or 7th std .

      • Pranam Brother KalBhairav

        You don’t emphasis the importance of Bhagwat Puran. Why Brother? Isn’t it something that completing everything well prepared and in last second saying hay sasura goli lana bhol gaye 😉

      • @Spirit:

        This discussion is meaningless unless you guys Spirit/Vishal clarify WHICH version of Vedantasutras you are referring to? Which commentary? There are multiple commentaries on it. Depending on the Acharya in question, the pramanas [epistemology] differs.

      • KalBhai

        ys we folow vedantasutra .
        There are two schools of Vedanta sutras. They are 1. Impersonalists (You) 2. Personalists(us).

        We believe in Bhakti and u bielive in Knolege. Most people thnk the us(devotees of Lord) r devoid of knolege. But it is simply untrue.
        Rather, knolege at its highest level culminates in devotion.This is confirmed in Sri-gita, whch gives d esence of d Upanishads, whch in turn 4m d basis of jnana- kanda. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate: Aftr many births and deaths, the real jnani surrenders to Vasudeva, Lord Sri Krishna (Bg. 7.19)
        In the twelfth chapter of Bhagavad-gita, Arjuna asks wich path is better: the impersonal or the personal. Lord Krishna answers unambgsly dat d personal path is better.

        Vedanta is simply the study of the Supreme Brahman. That Supreme can b studied by either the monists or d Vaishnavas. Otherwise, how is it that great Vaishnava acaryas have written commentaries on the Vedanta-sutra?

        Do you want to know more about us?

    • @vishal:

      if i were a jihadi then i would support formless god.

      Oh, you mean the formless God that ascends and sits on the throne and keeps Lohe Mehfooz underneath? You mean the formelss god around which all Momins will bow down in submission on the Day of Resurrection. Allah is NOT a formless God 🙂

    • Vishal

      You did not show the discussion where Agniveer accepted Shri Krishna to be Brahman/Eeshvar. Also you did not give me the address of the temple Agniveer visit for worshipping Krishna 🙂

  50. Pranam Brother Truthseeker

    Yajur Veda 32/3

    Na Tasya Pratimasthi.

    Your explanation : Almighty does not have any form. His form is unchangeable and unchallengeable. So He was formless, is formless and will be remain formless.

    My thougts: Point well taken brother.
    “Na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no likeness of Him.”
    or you can say that there is no image of Him.
    Does the verse say anywhere near about the shape of God????? How did you come to the conclusion of that He is formless?? There is no likeness of Him. I really abide by it. There is no image of Him. It means the same. God is purely transcendental and divine. No material image can describe Him. That is the meaning of the mantra.
    A question arises, ” If no material image can describe Lord so why you worship His murtis?”

    I just want to say that I don’t worship that murti. I worship Lord. My every salute, every devotion, every sankirtan, every worship is dedicated to Him not to that murti. Murti is essential for my concentration.

    So you see there is no obligation of God’s formlessness.

    Dhanyawad

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