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- Punishment for Blasphemy
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Zakir Bhai MBBS has been among the most hated public figures of today. Deoband recently issued a fatwa against him. There is no doubt that Zakir Bhai is among the most smartly marketed religious celebrity of last few years. He claims to represent and propagate Islam. He considers himself a servant of Muhammad (PBUH). Yet it is the Muslims and Islamic clerics who hate Zakir Naik the most. In this chapter, we shall briefly list out reasons why Muslims hate Zakir Naik so much that many claim that he would be the first person to enter Dozakh (Islamic hell).
Background – 72 Muslim sects
Let us provide a brief background. Most people consider Islam to be the religion propagated by Prophet Muhammad and narrated in Quran. On the surface, it appears all so simple. Quran proclaims that one who submits to the word of final messenger of Allah shall achieve Heaven. But things are not so simple for a layman, and even a scholar. Because while there is only one Quran and one Prophet Muhammad, there is tremendous variety in the types of interpretations that so-called Muslims make out of this book and this great social- reformer.
In short, Islam is not as monolithic as it appears to be. The number of sects in Islam is more than 72, and they are as different from each other as dry is from wet and cold is from hot. All these sects have different customs, different levels of tolerances for non-Muslims, different food habits, different interpretations of Quran, different level of importance given to Muhammad and his associates and different descriptions of Heaven and Hell. The Shia-Sunni war is clearly known.
What makes the things even more confusing is the belief of these more than 72 Sects. Only one is on the path of truth and hence only one will go to Heaven. Rest of the sects will go to Hell. Thus, it is not sufficient to just be a Muslim to achieve Heaven; you need to follow only the right sect. Now each sect fights to prove that they are the genuine sect. Some sects are liberal enough to allow even non-Muslims to Heaven. Some Muslims are even promoters of vegetarianism. Some consider nation ahead of everything else. But there are some who believe that all except those who fully believe in their sect and its practices without questioning anything, alone will go to Heaven. Rest of all will be in Hell forever.
Zakir Naik’s Wahabi sect – The most fanatic
Among the most fanatic of these cults is the Wahabi cult. This is supposed to be the producer of the largest number of terrorists including ISIS, Osama, Al Qaeda since its inception in the 18th century and has been a cause of disgrace for rest of the peace-loving Muslims. Zakir Naik belongs to this Wahabi cult, believes that only this Wahabi version of Islam can bring anyone close to Heaven, and rest of all will go to Hell. And things are not as simple. Further, he mixes his Wahabism with material from other scholars of different sects to create his own Zakirism that in the process blatantly insults and disgraces the vision of Islam as per other sects, including the more tolerant ones.
Zakir Naik humiliated Wahabis
Zakirism goes to such extent that he does not even spare Wahabis from humiliations. Zakir Naik claims to be an expert on comparative religions. In his site, he has put lots of articles on comparative religions under his name. But in reality, they are merely a word to word copy of texts from Qadiyani/Ahmadiyya sources. So what is wrong if one refers to Qadiyani or Ahmadiyya sources? Perhaps nothing, except that:
Qadiyanis/ Ahmadiyyas are considered Kafirs and they are prosecuted by most Muslims for their radical beliefs.
Wahabis have been greatest enemies of Qadiyanis
The content of the Qadiyani writings that Zakir Naik has swindled under his own name are blatantly against core beliefs of rest of the Muslims including Wahabis.
For example, Zakir Bhai MBBS tries to prove that Vedas prophesize about Muhammad. (This has been completely refuted by Agniveer) Now this belief gels with the Qadiyani belief that Vedas were also revelations. But Wahabis and other sects refuse to believe so. Hence even Zakir Bhai MBBS writes in another article that he is not sure if Vedas are revelations. He conveniently forgets that he himself has proved that Vedas reveal Muhammad in another article! (Perhaps because he forgot to read it before asking his henchmen to copy from Qadiyani book and paste under his name on his site and in books.)
In summary, Zakir Bhai continues to use Qadiyani sources to show his scholarly capabilities but refuses to accept Qadiyanis as Muslims because he claims to be Wahabi and is funded by Wahabi militants. Or is he a Qadiyani spy in Wahabi disguise? Only Zakir Bhai knows the reality, but his acts suffice to invite hatred of Qadiyanis as well as other Muslim sects.
Progressive Muslims hate Zakir Naik
Zakir Bhai justifies non-vegetarianism as a scientific Islamic trait. While he does acknowledge that even a Muslim can be vegetarian, he attempts to justify meat-eating on crazy arguments including research by some farmers. (Agniveer has already busted this lie). This catches ire of several progressive Muslims, who refuse to believe that meat-eating has any association with religion. Many progressive Muslims have even started a Muslim Vegetarian Society that is among the most powerful protagonists of Vegetarianism and opponents of Halal meat. They have severely condemned Zakir Naik and his spurious research for disgracing Islam to justify the lust of his own tongue.
Deoband issued a fatwa against Zakir Naik
Being a Wahabi he has a soft corner for Osama Bin Laden. When someone questioned him on his views on Osama, he replied that he admires him because he has terrorized America! He shied away from criticizing terrorist activities of Osama.
Deoband even issued a Fatwa against him probably because his use of literature of Qadiyani sect – considered worst by Deoband – to further Islamic cause.
Reason why Zakir supports Osama is – the money that funds Osama and money that funds Zakir Bhai have allegedly the same sources. Many terrorists caught in recent times involving the ones of Dhaka attacks, Chief of Hyderabad ISIS Module, first Indian ISIS fighter have allegedly accredited Zakir Naik to be their inspiration.
Devout Muslim hates Zakir Naik for wearing Kafir dress code
While on the surface, he claims to be a conservative Muslim; he wears a non-Islamic dress which as per Islamic hadiths would lead one to be treated as a non-Muslim during Judgment Day. Many devout Muslims thus consider their dress very seriously and hate Dr. Zakir Naik for setting wrong examples by wearing Kafir dress of tie, suit, and coat. Zakir Naik teaches fanaticism to others but himself adopts conveniences as per his own will.
Sufis and graves worshippers hate Zakir Naik
Wahabis have destroyed many Sufi shrines and the even house of Prophet Muhammad because they believe these to be signs of idol worship. They killed many Muslim men, women, and children in their campaigns to destroy tombs and holy places. In the same footsteps, Zakir Naik severely condemns these practices to be anti-Muslim and hence is hated by those who worship graves, Sufis and tombs.
Shias hate Zakir Naik
Shias obviously have a reason to hate Zakir Bhai MBBS because of his staunch anti-Shia stance, being a Wahabi. But his admiration of Yazeed, considered to be the culprit for the massacre of Prophet’s family in Karbala has been a strong point of contention for other Muslims. So much is the hatred against Yazeed that many people curse by the name of Yazeed. But Zakir Naik respects Yazeed in similar way as Prophet Muhammad by stating ‘Peace be Upon Him’ or something similar after his name. This PBUH/similar words are restricted only for the most revered people in Islam.
Progressive Muslims hates Zakir Naik for his ultra-fanaticism
Zakir justifies the ban on the worship of other religions in Muslim countries. He however also justifies that Muslims should be allowed in other countries to promote their religion. The logic is curious — as per Zakir Bhai, in matters of religion, Muslims are the best. So they should be allowed everywhere — Muslim or non-Muslim countries. But non-Muslims should not be allowed to build places of worship in Muslim countries because their religions are inferior to Islam!
Such ultra-fanaticism irks the most progressive Muslims, who want to integrate with rest of the world and rise above religious dogmas and hatred.
Muslims hate him for being ultra-conservative
Being an ultra-conservative, he propagates that despite a person being as much good or noble, unless they unconditionally accept his version of Islam, they will go to Hell and Hell alone and forever. This goes against beliefs of more progressive Muslims, who believe that all who act with genuineness, regardless of their religion will go to Heaven and not Hell.
Muslim women hate Zakir Naik
Muslim women obviously have all the reasons to hate Zakir Bhai because in the name of pseudo-science he is simply restricting their freedom that has been ordained by the Creator. For example, he states that Muslim women should always wear Hijab and Burqa and cover their entire body always. Medical researchers are worried that such unreasonable practices cause dreaded diseases due to lack of Vitamin D in Muslim countries which enforce such beliefs on women. More liberal Muslims see such insistence as dangerous dogma harming the cause of Muslims and Human Rights.
He further states that Muslim women should not work in offices because they may have a chance to be alone with men even for a second. The only men that a woman is allowed to be alone with are her husband and those who have suckled her. Taking this crazy dogma of Zakir Bhai further, the Head of Hadith Department of the most reputed university of Islam in the world recently issued a fatwa that Muslim women should allow their male colleagues to suckle their breasts five times. This will allow them to work with these men, even when alone. Because after this, they will be like mothers to them!
Zakir Bhai debars women from being any doctor except gynecologists because that is haram as per his version of Islam. Women should not take part in sports as well!
He further defends polygamy by furnishing false data on population but disallows polyandry.
He justifies the belief that women are less intelligent than men, and hence evidence of two women equals that of one man!
He thus also justifies that women cannot inherit equally to their male counterparts!
He also believes that majority of hell dwellers will be women.
No wonder, he agrees to the dogma that to prove rape, a woman should bring an ample number of witnesses who have witnessed actual penetration!
Wahabis calls Zakir Naik a Shaitan
The list of people who hate Zakir Naik can go on and on. So much that now even Wahabis have started calling Zakir Bhai a Shaitan.
Other sects who do not receive as much funding as Osama or Zakir Naik try tooth and nail to debunk his fraud through all means.
They are even more upset by the fact that Zakir Naik does not even know how to read Arabic and merely imitates Ahmed Deedat, another preacher considered deviant by many scholars.
Conclusion
The process of seeking truth demands process of elimination. One may not be sure and continue to debate on which of the 72 or more sects of Islam would lead one to Heaven, or whether Quran itself is the authentic Quran and not the new Quran as created recently. One may not be sure whether a permanent Hell or Heaven or Angels or Genies exist in first place. One may doubt if Muhammad was a great non-divine social -reformer or actually a Messenger of Allah’s word. One can debate if Quran deserves to be the final word of Allah and what should be its interpretation. Or what new good concept Quran provides that was not present in previous books.
But one fact is sure. There is not even a scope for debate – Certain persons should be out-rightly banished to Hell or hell-like place for the benefit of rest of the peaceful, civilized society. They include:
• people who dare not condemn terrorists like Osama Bin Laden. And instead say “Every Muslim should be a terrorist”. “Every Muslim must terrorize America.”
• people who consider that all except their sect will burn in permanent Hell despite how-so-much good they do in their lives
• people who cannot tolerate others but want themselves to be tolerated everywhere
• people who believe that women are inferior or bereft of intelligence
• people who justify inferior rights and curtailment of freedom for women
• people who refuse to change their stands despite the presence of factual information proving the opposite
• people who do not clear their stand and purely use material prepared by someone else to claim scholar status for self and yet condemn the source
Such terrorism sympathizers are a threat to any civilized society. Progressive and even conservative Muslims have shown the right way by criticizing Zakir Naik so severely. The first and foremost religion of humans is humanity. The way noble-minded Muslims have shown courage and mettle to condemn the dangerous frauds of Zakir Naik that are detrimental to entire humanity is warmly welcomed. Such steps in right direction pave the way for right direction for seekers of true knowledge.
This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/3293/hate-zakir-hi/
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You say I should mind my own religion. This statement has big flaws.
1. Zakir claims that everyone is born Muslim. Thus every human should have right to analyze and comment on Islam.
2. If indeed one should believe in policy of non-interference, then likes of Zakir Naik should first withdraw all the material and video with reference to other religions. Practice before preach. The problem is that likes of Zakir et al have been historically trying to attack other religions, and that is how Islam has got so big following, and that is why bulk of terrorists claim to be Muslims. But when someone questions them, they would suddenly start preaching non-interference.
3. You say people need food and not theology. By that logic, likes of Zakir Naik should be cut to size who only provide theology and no food at all. I would appreciate if you could be vocal about your dissension against deeds of Zakir Naik and appeal for fatwa against him.
4. The animosity is not at this side. It is at that side which claims that only their book is true and all who do not believe in it and its author will burn in hell forever.
Let that chickenheart first accept the debate and not bury his head in the sand
Mr. Ben who is not the rabble rouser, trouble seeker and maker, the one who accepts his shit without questioning, then yes were are the very same hindus
Dear Agniveer Bhaiya, Namaste
I had never imagined that the foundation of islam is so weak. None of the muslims has been able to give any logical explanation to the anomalies pointed by you on this site. All they say is …Allah will punish you on the judgement day and all that shit. I am dying for that day when that Parrot Nayak will have the Guts to have a debate with you.
Great great job Brother.
We are always there with you.
You really Rock!!!
Let the Truth Prevail!!!
salaam bro aman:
ur so insensible. dr. naik does nt want 2 waste tym on debating vd any1 or evry1. mind u he's zakir naik nt "agniveer" who dosnt hav any othr thng 2 do. i hav gvn u al enuf logical answers vd proofs. if u arent blind n illiterate thn go read al my comments. its me whose questions r un-answered n ur so-called hindu brothrs cant answer me….shame on u al. if ur brothrs hav guts thn ask thm 2 answr me. im sure they wont. v believers dontgt afraid of answering bt u al js run away vdout answering
Maria , now i really feel pity on you. All your answers are devoid of any logic and base and you are simply repeating what that parrot nayak keeps on saying.
sister why do u undermine urself, i mean why have u based ur life on the mercy of men? i think you completely agree with the fact that intelligence of two (muslim) women is equivalent to that of a man, as told by ur beloved prophet!!
moreover u didn't answer my query that If allah gifts the male believers( those who believe in allah and his prophet) with 72 virgins in heaven, what has he in store for women believers…………Of course if he doesn't feed these women to those men.
Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things
Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual.
A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense.
‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.
Hijaab for men
People usually only discuss ‘hijaab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijaab’ for men before ‘hijaab’ for the women. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Noor:
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: t
The next verse of Surah Noor, says:
" And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons…" [Al-Qur’an 24:31]
3. Six criteria for Hijaab.[/n]
According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijaab:
1.Extent:
The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijaab’.
All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.
2.The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.
3.The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them.
4.The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.
5.The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.
6.The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.
Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things
Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual.
A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense.
‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.
The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."[Al-Qur’an 33:59]
The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested
@Maria
Dear sister Maria, sorry to say, but this 2 twin girls, one in hijab and one not, doenst make sense anymore. U are reinforcing zakir naik's arguments here which are nonsense themselves. Maria, sister, today, the times are so bad, and rapists are so lustfull that it doesnt matter if a woman is wearing a hijab or not, still she is endangered to get raped. So even the hijab woman will get teased by the hooligan. I agree even the miniskirt one will get teased, but also the hijab one. For a rapist or hooligan, women are like walking food, whom he must pounce on regardless of her covering or not. I agree rapists should be given the most brutal punishments, but giving an apostle death, just because he left islam, is pure stupidity. This is the greatness of hindus, that in a hindu country like india, zakir can open his mouth against vedic dharma and even convert others. If we were like u, zakir would have been torchered and ended by now.
@Maria
Namaste Dear Sister Maria,
Maria, just like how we only give prooofs from the quran and hadiths, u are required to give proofs from Vedas only. All other books are fake, and only use arya translations of Vedas since the other translaitons are fake and not authentic.
salaam bro VIK:
who said i hav 2 gv proofs 4m d vedas?? sory 2 say bt m nt lyk Ahmed Pandit who uses vedas 2 undrstand quran!!!
@Maria
Namaste sister Maria,
I am glad ur not like ahmed pandit who is an all time fake. He knows nothing of Vedas. He wanted to be muslim now therefore hes talking crap about Vedas. I would really love to debate him and strip him offf of his dignity. All I want is a 10 minute debate with him to show him his worth, if he defeats me, I will accept islam, if I defeat him, he will be humiliated like a dog, who will no longer remain muslim, nor hindu. May peace be upon u sister.
You seem to be representing the Muslims. If that be so, it highlights the typical mentality that many Muslims have towards women. For a typical Hindu, every women, apart from legally wedded one single wife, is akin to mother. But for those who blindly believe in popular stories of founders of Islam, women are just objects to satisfy lust. That is why you could shamelessly say that : "Boys in India just don't have the balls 🙂 to handle a single woman". It may be fine for you because in popular Islam, every woman except few close relatives, is a potential gratification-toy.
Regardless of what differences you have with Indians and Hindus, from an Indian/ Hindu mindset, you have severely disgraced a chaste lady in a most shameless manner. Boys in India consider women like maria as their sisters. But what your version of Islam considers them is amply evident from your writing. Instead of providing facts and evidences, you preferred to denigrate your sister. May Ishwar help all noble women unfortunately born in such lustful society to rise up and get rid of the filth around.
Tera Baap is a typical muslim who believes he can tackle more than 1 women, and of course boys in India do have balls but they are a bit more polite than u muslims. As for Maria, she has nothing more to say, just blabbering nonsense and nothing else. She would be better off being one of the four wives of male muslim chauvinists like Tera Baap
I am absolutely in sync with you, Brother SDC
Exactly Sister Maria. this is what We want you to do!! Apply your senses!!!! why do you believe that God would distinguish b/w his Children and tell one to kill the other, as is said in Quran( w.r.t non-believers)? why wud God allow that women be kept as sex-slaves?why would God give different set of Brains to men & women? Why wud God send Revised Editions of his Commands? Is He confused, about His creation?
salaam bro aman:
as it seems dat u hav greatr knowledge of islam than muslims, so plz brothr refer me d verse whr its writtn dat "god allowd women 2 b kpt as sex-slaves". i wud desperately wait 4 ur rply
@Maria
Namaste Sister Maria,
The problem is that u cannot defend this claim of sex slaves by arabs. Even if it occured 1400 years ago, u tell me sister, would GOD recommend such sick practice like this? Our Vedas are much older than 1400 years ago, and Vedas do not sanction such disgusting act? Maria, please, try to understand Quran is pure shit and it is not the word of GOD, otherwise every woman deserves respect whehter she is a slave or a mother. Maria, ur a woman, and I cant believe it, u have no compassion for other women, when ur stupid religion sanctions female sex slavery. Ok let me agree with u, that islam treats women and men equally, then why does quran permit sex slaves to men only, why not females allowed to have male sex slaves? Is that equal, looks like ur Allah is weak in mathematics. So please do not defame GOD's pious and pure name by associating it with islam.
@Maria
That means you agree that the teachings of quran & preachings of Muhammad is simply Null & Void in the present Day!!! In that case, Why hasn't Allah provided us(YOU People) with a new & revised edition!!! I guess here has been some printing – delay or it is still in its final stage of editing..
In the meantime, it won't be a bad idea to follow the Vedas, coz' its still as relevant as it was earlier, coz' we simply can't afford to wait any longer as already there is a lot of mayhem on this planet!!!!!!!
@ Maria
Moreover, Muhammad did all these deeds which the foolish Arabs did 1400yrs back, so why call Him a prophet ????????????????????
@Agniveer@vik@Arya@SDC@All the Truth Seekers,
I have been following the discussions-turned-arguements on this site since last 1-2 months.
Can't say about you people, but as far as I am concerned, now I am in a position wherein I fully empathize with Sri Sri Ravishankar that why he chose to remain silent in that dialogue-turned-debate with that Parrot!!
I couldn't find, one single, logical point against the anomalies pointed by Agniveerji on this site vis-a-vis Islam!! How can You have a discussion with these people, who have swore to remain Ignorant??
The scenario is quite similar to Teaching The Theory Of Quantum Mechanics To A Slum-Dwellar!!!!!
@Aman
brother Aman, I been debating all these muslims too, all they are doing is propagating the same crap by zakir naik without doing any research. I proved to waqas many times that plants dont have souls, otherwise if they did, wont they be classified under Animalia as animals and humans, rather than Plantae. Plantae and Animalia are 2 different classes. Anamalia means anything with a soul (humans,animals). I know its crazy to argue with these people, but we have to, to defend the truth of Vedas.
@maria
Dear sister maria, namaste
1) Can you prove that plants feel pain? Just for the sake of argument even if we assign a probability of 50-50% that a plant can/can not feel pain then also we should choose veg food because killing animals includes 100% surety of giving them pain. If we have to choose between the two acts(one may or may not be violent but the other is definitely violent) , then we should choose the one which is less probabilistic in terms of suffering.
Sister, go and get some knowledge about cows. They do not feel pain while milking, in fact they feel pain when they are not milked on time.
2) Sister, when we talk about positive or negative, we talk about the net result. A surgery is not said to be violent though it includes bloodshed because we are getting a net positive out of it.
@Maria
namaste sister Maria,
Who told u that we hindus worship multiple Gods? Sister, according to Vedas, there is only ONE GOD, that we all hindus worship. AND we worship ONLY one supreme GOD whose name is Ishwar. Today, u see idols of many differnt deities is because all these deities represent some quality of Ishwar (same one GOD) whom people worship them. But again Idolatry, is against the Vedas. But we hindus worship the real Acutal GOD, and U worship Allah which doesnt look like a GOD. U guys gave GOD a bad name.
Has Maria able to refute the so many charges made against Islam by FFI?
Freedom faith international eagerly awaits self appointed islamic scholars and apologetics since its inception and wikipedia notes that till now only a grand Ayotellah and a Paki Scholar had responded to the challenge.
The transcripts are available for download and u can see even the basic questions raised are not adequately addressed or refuted.
Instead people like Maria keep ranting on the same non-sequitors and illogicities or else rain abuses and damnation for questioners.
If they really want Islam from being discredited as a religion, then they should make a clear and logical presentation.
Every single inanity such as 'miracles of islam', 'koran has no contradictions' 'prophet mohamad is the best of men ever' are still to be logically proved in the FFi debate forum.
Instead marias come on board other sites and repeat the same illogical statements.
There were poets, leaders of tribes and even generals who were women in pre islamic times, and not as propogandised like muslim scholars that they treated women as inferiors.
The practice of veiling itslef the hadith says was suggested by a human and prophet then cameup with an endorsement from Allah which is ridiculous and also proves Allah was suggestible.
About the science is koran just read FFi's refutation and how absurd it is.
Was jihad a defensive doctrine, or was it an aggressive and unilateral violence is clear at FFI.
For all that irrefutable logic, mulsims so far just come up with curses and more curses and more illogicity.
Muslims never had this situation before when they were asked top debate freely and prove Islam is right.
imagine this is how they have been converting Islam-
Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’
Ishaq 327
shouldnt that be
Gods bless you!!!!!
🙂 lol
bro vik:
salaam….
1400 yrs ago, d definition of slaves ws diffrnt. nt only d muslims exercisd sex slaves bt ppl of othr faiths also did d same!!! actually slaves wer dos ppl who got defeatd during a war. wen women wer left n nt takn as slaves, they wer eithr raped, some tuk prostitution, some suicided cz their husbands, fathers, brothrs n their caretakers died during the war!!! thr wer no othr option left than 2 take dese women as slaves. ppl who tuk thm as slaves, provided d women vd shelter, food, clothng & provided thm vd evrythng dey needed. they usd 2 hlp thm n take care of thm js as a husband does 4 his wife so he had d right 2 hav sex vd hr bt again al did nt do dis. some left thm independent also
@Maria,
Sister, Muslims r not permitted 2 hav sex slaves…….. dis is utter nonsense spread by enemies of Islam about sex slaves…..
@maria
They will never believe you i also have been debating with them on other page dr zakir fraud exposed and i have been debating with 3 of them. all of them have lost the debate but they are still barking because they just dont wanna lose this debate. they are taking out if context hadnith and quranic verses from the books which are written against Islam and thats how they are fighting. it does not matter how convincing answer you give to them, they will never be conviced.
@Waqas
U said all of us lost, Waqas, listen u called agniveer liar since u didnt bleev that Arya samaj beat the allies of zakir naik in debate, now wot do u want to say about that? Waqas, our debate of sex slaves is still not done brother, I am still awaiting for a moral justification. Brother bleev me, If u provide me with a moral justification I will happily accept defeat and announce u as the winner, but brother u are ruunnning away which is not expected.
What really boggles me the most is How Can Maria Justify The Keeping Of Women As Sex-Slaves & Polygamy !!!!! How Can A Woman Even Imagine Sharing Her Spouse With Other(S).???????????????? I Tell You There Is A Big Technical Fault !!!! God Has Indeed Made Some Mistake !!!!!!!!!
bro aman:
salaam……
i blv evrythng dat has reasn n logic, bth polygamy n sex slaves hav genuine reasn dats y i blv bth of thm
@ maria
1.so what exactly is the logic to indulge in polygamy?
2.would you allow your husband to share his body with other women as per the tenets of islam?
3.Is keeping sex-slaves relevant in the 21st century?
@ bro arya:
god has provided ppl vd dat mch sense dat they can undrstand wen n whr 2 use their knowledge. i gav u a rsn y sex-slavery is nt relevent nw!! dat tym prophet Muhammad ws alive n he usd 2 gt revelations bt nw he is dead!!
@Aman
Namaste Aman
Aman, i been debating muslims for years but no one has given me moral justification on sex slavery or apostles, now all their logic deoesnt sound normal and doesnt form any basis for humanity. Islam is just a religion about sex, and brutality.
@vik
Brother you haven' got any moral justification coz' its simply not there!!
Even if you keep All the Scriptures of the world at bay and think like a normal human being, you wud find it impossible to justify these Disgusting Deeds.
Moreover, these people have swore to remain ignorant and continue practicing those Barbaric & senseless customs.!!! When all over the world we are talking about the uplifting of women, Maria has been justifying Sex-Slavery & Polygamy, since last couple of months! No wonder, Shah-Bano couldn't get justice!!!!!
I can understand that Muhammad easily fooled those illeterate Arabs 1400 yrs back & justified all his Lustful acts by saying that its Allah's dictat for me to do this!! But how can literate people who have all the knowledge of the world at the click of a button, follow this Blind Cult??????
Have these people ceased to be Humans that they can't even analyze b/w right & wrong???
@Aman
Brother very well said, I agree with u. The funny thing is that nor Waqas or Maria were able to give me any justifications on these sick deeds. I feel sorry for these muslims, I mean, how can muslims be clean and moral people when their religion is full of lust. On earth, the permision to have sex slaves, and in heaven, 72 virgins. Here muslim women wear their hijabs to prevent anyone looking at them when they themselves follow a relgion that authenticates sex in every manner. Think of child sex. Prophet had sex with a girl his grand daughter's age, I mean people think twice before having sex with someone ur daughters age, but prophet had no problem with a granddaughter age………wow. Finally, I agree, they cant justify these sick deeds, because wrong things cannot be justified. Aman, if all these things can be jusitified, then me killing thousands of innocent humans can also be justified with their logic LOL. As for Maria, I did not expect this from her, despite being a woman, I thot only a woman can understand woman, and even she supports sex slavery. She is really lucky that she is not born in those times, otherwise I would really ask her then, hey Maria, do u still support sex slavery?
@Aman
yes, your right, i dont know why muslims defend such things, I mean Aman, i hope u been watching my debate with Waqas, look at the stupid logics hes presenting, I mean muslims who validate pedophillia and sex slaves…………….no hope brother……………
@vik
why do you waste your energy for these idiots!!! we can channelize our positive energy for other good purposes instead of teaching these fools, who hv swore to remain ignorant!
for waqas, i agree why he defends islam!! afterall islam is the only religion where lust is given so much importance… waqas would definitely want to follow the footsteps of muhammad so that he can get loads of women to hv sex with, all in the name of allah!!!
but its the attitude of maria that has really shook me from inside… sometimes i feel somebody is playing counter-taqia with these people by posing as maria coz' any sensible or even most illeterate women won't agree with this these inhuman & disgusting things, unlike maria !!!! i doubt if maria is really a muslim!!! i mean, everyone knows about his/her weakness & strength… and a sensible person would definetely not hv discussion when he knows that he is on the wrong side!!!
even zakir nayak is that much sensible and that is the reason he is avoiding Agniveerji!!!!!
@Maria
Namaste Respected Sister,
I think no body in the world would agree that islam is a religion of peace, since that is no less than any joke.
Brother, I worship the one and only Paramatma who has various beautiful names. He is formless and omnipresent. He is beginningless and endless. He is all powerfull.
bro waqas:
assalaam-u-alaikum wr wb…….
u'r right evn iv gvn thm so many reasns bt they ntrpret d quranic verses as wel!!!! dey blv dat only d vedas n agniveer r d most honest thngs on earth!!!
@Maria
Namaste beloved sister Maria,
Maria, dear, how can u even think and justify that female sex slavery is right? Maria no matter how good or noble or genuine the reason is, do u think its right to keep female slaves, I mean every female slave must be someones daughter or sister, Maria its shameful that ur a wooman, and u think this way. U r lucky that ur not born in those days, otherwise GOD forbid that u might become a slave oneday too and u cant do anything since its order from ur quran. Maria, now u realized, that quran is not GOD's word, otherwise, why would GOD consider sex slaves, killings of apostles, 72 hookers in heavven, etc. Maria, Vedas, do not contain such sick desiires, I recommend return to ur ancestrral roots, Vedas. Ur fellow brother Waqas, couldnt even justify sex slavss and apostels, no muslim can ever justify these things, because wrong things can never me justified. We make fun of ur prophet and quran because we are 100% sure that they are fake, and fakes dont deserve respect.
@ Maria
Dear, are you done with your research to answer Brother Arya's questions?????????
@Waqas
Waqas, brother, I can say the same for zakir naik. The problem is that ali sina refused for a live debate due to insecurity and zakir naik refused for a written debate……………Now who will u blame? Ali sina says for a live debate, firsts off he doesnt want to come in public due to the fear of islamic terrorists, secondly he said we cannot debate much in a span of 3 hours. Now, u tell me, how would u get these 2 to debate when they are both different debaters. But we Arya Samajis, challenged Zakir on any kind of debate either open house live debate or written debate, but he is still refusing. What does that tell u about zakir? Brother, look at all the debates zakir had so far, no one challenged him, but he challenged or asked for a debate. Ravi Shankar didnt challenge zakir naik, it was zakir naik who challenged him. Now we all know, Ravi Shankar is not an Arya Samaj scholar, hes a y
oga expert on art of living, now why would zakir challenge him, why not an Arya Samaji? Answer me brother, Zakir very well knows only Arya Samajis are Vedic experts, but tell me, why did he choose not to have a dialogue with them?
@ TO ALL ZAKIR LOVERS
look at ur zakir naik getting knocked out by NDTV host Barka Dutt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBBJdN1NmHI
vik bhai why not aagniveer cum up and openly debate with zakir on ndtv or wat ever atleast we muslims will cum to know abt the false concept abt zakir.it is abvious we muslims vil follow zakir untill not proven liar….that is y i want agniveer to cum up and tell us the actual truth so that we can remove zakir bahi….but problem is no one dares to talk in front of him……reply vik bhai?
Dear Brother Basit,
Herein i am putting up the links on which u can yourself view the correspondence b/w zakir nayak and arya samaj.
Since , he never agreed for a debate , arya samaj had no option than to put up the invitation on the web, so that everyone can see the false propagated by him.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8142696/Official-Challe…
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aryasamajonline/mes…
to the one who askd me y muslims dont respect women n they kill female child n al:
1stly i wud lyk 2 say dat only 12% of india's population r muslims n evryday 300 female foetus r killd n aborted in hospitals n at homes. so wat do u ahv 2 say abt dat?? if d population of muslims is js 12% thn it is impossible 4 muslims 2 kill n abort 300 female child n foetuses!! dis simply proves dat ppl of othr faith r indulgd in dis activity!! u ppl accuse ISLAM of permittng child marriage, y dont u al thnk abt d remote areas of tamil nadu, rajasthan, assam n nagaland whr child marriage, aborting n killing female child n foetus, sati, burning women alive 4 dowry etc r stil in practice!!
@Maria
Well said SDC. Maria look at the book and not at the people's practice; Zakir MBBS always use this statement in his live Q&A sessions. So if you support him you better follow his guidelines too.
SDC can definitely educate other people against the ill of child marriage , but its really impossible to educate islamic followers who consider a paedophile as a prophet.
Dear Sister, instead of such digressions aimed at personal level, why not simply provide objective answers to questions discussed in article. For example you gave justification of sex-slavery and polygamy and inferior rights to women by stating that sex-slavery enhances status of women, polygamy brings dignity to women and that women are inferior to men in intellect. We are compiling your views to showcase to world how Islam affects the mindsets of its women-followers. Kindly provide such insights on other points as well.
@maria
Namaste didi.
Yes, we acknowledge that this was and still is happening in some part of India. But we all are working to eradicate these in humane practices by educating people.
We never recognize them as a religious thing. Please try to understand.
We are next to those crazy psycho's who don't believe Qoran is God's word
oh ya, Bechara prophet muhammed has came to India and copied vedas which were in sanskrit. or don't you think he learnt Sanskrit and translated them into Arabi? Yeah, you can even prove that.
@maria
Namaste sister maria,
we dont judge the nature of other human beings, they are free to do wotever they wish, its GOD who will make their souls pay for their evil or wrong doings. But atlease our religion doesnt tell them to kill or execute gays or lesbians for such stupid reasons?
Y dont u look at the insane things done in saudi arabia,,,,,,,,,,,where a woman is given 100 lashes if she commits a sin. An average woman can die after 30 lashes and yet ur stupid law demands for 100>>>>>
@maria
namaste sister
Quran hardly contains good things, its more of a sexual reliigion, sex slaves on earth, and virgins in heaven…..indeed looks like the authors of quran were very lustfull.
@maria
namaste sister,
I challenge you to give a single verse from Quran, which you think is unmatched by any verse of Vedas. If you could do so, I shall leave Vedas. If you agree, I shall give you the verses from Vedas which I feel are unmatched by any verse of Quran. If I could do so, you will leave Quran. Do you accept the challenge?
Dear Maria, Please refer the articles on this site on Vedic view on gay-lesbian. The law got passed because we are being governed by short-sighted materialistic people with uncontrollable instincts. India unfortunately is not being governed by Vedic principles. This is one issue where we both have same viewpoint, but perhaps for different reasons. Same is true for other issues like vulgarity, nude depiction of women, betting cartels like IPL etc etc. We appreciate one thing in Muslim countries – that women are not highlighted by media as objects for pleasure. That is not so in India. The same Muslims in India become tools of sexual exploitation from both side – actors like so many Khans that rule Bollywood, heroines like the Zeenat Amans and Shabana Azmis, story writers like Salims and Javed Akhtars, producers like Nadiadwalas and Durranis etc etc. Not that Hindus are not involved in Bollywood. In fact we believe that all persons relating to film industry of this sort are disgrace in name of humanity. No word mincing about that. But its unfortunate that Bollywood in India is dominated by Muslims and still among most vulgar industries. I would have expected that positive aspects of Islam are brought to fore at least in this realm.
So dont worry, we are all against such stupidities and do our best to combat these. Perhaps the reasons differ.
@truthseeker
brother, Vedas believe in reincarnation. Thus anyone born with defect, did something in his past life/lives, due to which, he is punished. Same applies for innocent people.
That's a very strange concept. Are there any proofs to support this theory?
Without learning or understanding the theory, I don't want to jump into finding flaws. I would like to know it from Vedas as well as from the logical point of view. If you have it explained elsewhere, links would be sufficient.
@truthseeker
Read Satyarth Prakash and rigvedadi bhashya bhoomika by Swami Dayanand on http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org
Dear truthseeker,
Namaste.
It seems to be a strange concept for the Abrahmic faith followers, but in Vedic Dharma, it has a very special status and required to understand the very basic questions of life like Who I am?, Why I am here?, What happens when one die? etc etc… It is not just a belief system, but, a complete science which remarkably explains why there are geniouses? Child Prodigy, Phobias etc etc.
A tremendous amount of research has been done (still going on) on the theory of Reincarnation in University of Virginia, by Prof. Ian Stevenson and his team. Please see the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson .
Please go through the you tube videos (1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EWwzFwUOxA&fe…
(2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5965wcH2Kx0&fe…
(3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSrzpLoODo&fe…
(watch all the 5 parts)
@Arya
So, that essentially means, people born with defects and those who are suffering more than what they really deserve have done sins in their past life. But, at the same time, the person/soul doesn't know what was its past life and what sins it committed then. So, isn't it really painful for them when they feel that they are being punished without knowing what was the crime that they did?
@truthseeker
brother, ur fate in islam is far more painful since allah has randomly written our fate and we cant do anything about it, at least in this religion, we can work for the betterment of our status in next life.
Allah has written my fate since he knew what I would do in this world with the limited free will that he has given me. Allah is All-knowing and hence he knows what I would do or not do. I don’t understand what is painful here.
@truthseeker
No its not the case brother. Refer to Quran [32:13], which says-
If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, “I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together”
When I have destined to fulfill Allah’s writing, how do I have free will? And what was the need of writing all these stuff in Lohe Mehfooz? Was not Allah confident on His memory??? If you dont see any problem in this, you certainly have problem within yourself!
The problem is certainly with your understanding. See the commentary of the verse [32:13] by Yusuf Ali : “If it had been His Will and Plan, He could have created a world in which there would
have been no choice or will in any of His creatures. But that was not His Will and
Plan. In the world as we see it, man has a certain amount of choice and free will.
That being so, He has provided Signs and means of instruction for man, in order
that man’s will may be straight and pure. A necessary corollary will be Punishment
for the infractions of His Law. That Punishment must come to pass, for Allah’s
Word is true and must be fulfilled”
But Allah has willed that men shall be free especially in regard to matters of belief and disbelief. Allah Almighty says, “Say: The truth is from your Lord; so let whosoever will believe, and let whosoever will disbelieve.” (Al-Kahf: 29)
Why LoheMahfooz?
Belief in Qadar makes a person persist in his adherence to the straight path, so that he is not reckless at times of ease, and does not fall into despair when calamity strikes, for he knows that everything good that happens to him comes from Allah, and is not because of his intelligence or good planning.
And when trials and tribulations befall a person, he knows that this is happening by the decree of Allah, as a test from Him, so he does not panic or despair, rather he seeks the reward of Allah and bears it with patience, and this faith brings contentment and tranquility to the heart of the believer.
@truthseeker
What is Alla’s word? He will fill the hell with Jinns and men together! What do you say about that? When the verse clearly says that Allah did not show everyone, the right path, how is free will coming into the picture? It is evident that some have been guided and some are strayed, here is the proof
Quran[16:93]-If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases.
What do you say now?
If Allah set us free in the matters of belief then why are there verses in Quran talking of fighting by sword until Islam is accepted by everyone?
Why Lohe Mehfooz?
Read Quran [32:13] and [16:93] and then talk of any free will. And I asked about need of writing Lohe Mehfooz, not why should we believe in it!
Questions are many. Why did Allah create us? Why did He change his nature of being alone? Islam can not answer these questions brother.
Come to Vedic Dharm of your ancestors.
It means the evildoers and evil jinns will certainly be put to hell.
Whether FreeWill exists or not?
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In various verses of the Quran a phrase “yahdee man yashao” or “yahdee man yureedu” (22:16) appears which is commonly translated as “He (Allah) guides those whom He Wills” [2:142, 2:213; 2:272, 6:88, 10:25, 14:4, 16:93, 24:46, 28:56, 35:8, 39:23, 74:31].This begets confusions in many minds that if guidance depends upon Allah’s Will, then there is nothing one can do about it. There is no use of making any effort to attain guidance- When Allah shall Will, we will be guided. If Allah shall not Will, we cannot attain guidance no matter how much we strive for it.
Although the phrase “yahdee man yashao” is usually translated as “He guides those whom He Wills”, it is perfectly correct, according to the Arabic Grammar, to translate this phrase as “He guides those who will (to be guided)”. eg: translation by Muhammad Asad “(16:93) For, had God so willed, He could surely have made you all one single community; however, He lets go astray him that wills [to go astray], and guides aright him that wills [to be guided];”.
In our daily life, we make friends whom we will, we go to places where we will, we read books which we will and so on and so forth. When we make such statements or implicitly have such things in mind, does that mean we make such choices randomly or blindly. Certainly not, in our usual practice. Although we do whatever we will, but there are always some inexplicit criteria in our minds which governs our choice.
Now what about Allah; when He says in the Quran “He guides whom He wills”. Are there any principles, laws, rules or criteria according to which Allah guides or there is no such thing? If there are some criteria, are they explicitly told by Allah so that we could fulfill those criteria to attain guidance or has He kept these criteria inexplicit? If these are inexplicit, then again there is nothing that we can do; we shall have to wait passively until Allah Wills to guide us.
When we see, in the Quran, the verses related about the guidance (huda), we come to know that there are, in fact, some criteria explicitly given in the Quran according to which Allah guides. These criteria are given in the following:
Allah guides unto Himself who turns to Him (time after time, time and time again) [42:13]
Allah guides all who seek His approval to ways of peace and safety [5:16]
Those who believe, and work righteousness, – their Lord will guide them because of their faith [10:9]
…Allah does not let go people astray except those who themselves depart from the right way ( Fasiqeen) [2:26]
How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? …[3:86]
If you call them to guidance, they will not obey: For you it is the same whether you call them or you hold your peace! [7/193]
…Allah does not guide those who do not put things in the right perspective (Zaalimeen).[3/86]
“So when they turned away (from the Path of Allah) Allah turned their hearts away (from the Right Path) and Allah guides not the people who are fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).” [16:35]
So we see that Allah misguides those wrongdoers who are truly misguided by their own actions that they willingly chose to commit. Allah is omniscient and therefore knows in advance what their FREE WILLED actions will be.
These verses are also a reminder to the Muslims that it was Allah(swt) who guides them and they should not be overcome by arrogance/proud of being in the true path and should not look down upon non Muslims (since they might also be guided by Allah(swt) in future).
Pls mention the verse where one should fight by sword until Islam is accepted.
I read somewhere that LoheMahfooz contains the instructions to the angels (ie the angels carry out the orders of Allah (swt) from LoheMahfooz) as well as the original copies of the revealed texts as well. Do you think Lohe Mehfooz is a writing like our textbooks? Why do you want to condemn it?
I cannot answer the remaining questions. The purpose of our creation and the way to live is clearly explained. Also,do you think we will be able to understand the divine wisdom of Allah (swt). Why should Allah (swt) reveal all his wisdom to humans ? And I cannot answer on behalf of Allah(swt). Allah (swt) knows best.
@truthseeker
Brother, if you take the above meanings of those verses then that is fine. But can you show any such meanings of these verses in any Tafsir before 100-150 years from now? Can you also tell me that how could a former Austrian Jew Muhammad Asad, find such new meanings of Arabic verses, which were hidden for almost 1400 years? Was he an Arabic expert more than the Arabs themselves?
Quran [8:39]-“And fight them until sedition, idolatry, is, exists, no more and religion is all for God, alone, none other being worshipped; then if they desist, from unbelief, surely God sees what they do, and will requite them for it”
Islam believes in the concept of “Taqdeer”. Please ask your scholars about it. In short, Allah has written everyone’s fate in a gigantic book called Lohe Mehfooz, and we act as per these writings. No one can go against Lohe Mehfooz. I just want to know that what was the need of writing it? Why did Allah not write all good for everyone so that nobody could commit sins?
Remaining questions can be answered by Vedic philosophy. I am not asking you to answer on behalf of Allah! But just like you tried to answer the other questions, why dont you think for these questions too? Or you even need not to give answer to any of my question by your logic of “I cant answer on behalf of Allah”, because whatever I asked, it was on Quran and for you Quran is from Allah. You could have simply said, I cant answer on behalf of Allah regarding His book!
Vedas say that souls and matter were never created. Thus there are three eternal entities which exist are God, soul, and matter. The purpose of God is to give souls, the opportunities to work such that they can achieve Him, which is the source of ultimate bliss. Eeshvar never changes His nature because He is perfect and there cant be any change possible in a perfect being. He has been creating the universe from beginningless time and will continue to do so for eternity.
Please think about it brother. May Eeshvar show us right path.
@truthseeker
brother, u dont get the point, Allah has willed for me to become a kafir and to fill up men like me in hell so i cannot do anything about it, this makes allah biased towards me. Brother, take my advice, reject this false scripture called the Quran. It is nothing but a manual of lust and terrorism.
Had it been a manual of ‘lust and terrorism’, I would have rejected it for sure. But, if you understand properly, Quran is against those.
@truthseeker
You even justified sex with slaves. Muhammad justified rape of women by his men. You have a different level of morality than your ancestors. That is why you are defending the religion of those invaders, who took away your ancestors as slaves, raped them and made you so dumb to even justify the rape and loot of his own mothers and motherland.
@ Arya,
I do justify sex with slaves but not rape. Relax brother. Who told you that my ancestors were taken as slaves and raped them? I am from Kerala. Please show me which ruler did all this to the people of Kerala. Islam in Kerala started in the 7th century itself. Have you heard of Chakravarthi Farmas (aka Cheraman Perumal ) who became Muslim. He is also said to have witnessed the splitting of the moon. The Cheraman perumal juma masjid is the oldest mosque in India.
I don’t understand how can conversions happen through sword and rape. Such actions only create more hatred in the people towards the religion and the converts would only be outwardly following that religion. They will never follow the religion by heart nor would they try to spread the religion to others. The moment sword is lifted, they convert back for sure. I am sure that my great grand fathers reverted wholeheartedly, coz they were very pious indeed.
Also I don’t justify if any Muslim rulers have looted or raped anywhere. I don’t know whether such stories are either true or not.
@truthseeker
Brother I wrote that Muhammad justified rape, not you.
Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3373:
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported: We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl (coitus interruptus) with them. We then asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born.
In the above hadith, Muhammad clearly allows his men to rape the captive women. And he himself raped Rehana when she refused to become his wife. what do you say about these incidents?
OK. So this was not happened with Keralites. Do you know about Moplah rebellion? If not read about it carefully and then ask yourself what happened to Keralites. Anyway, even if it did not happen to the people of Kerela, it happened to rest of the subcontinent. Were not those Hindus your brothers and their mothers like your mothers?
I would suggest you to read Babarnaama, written by Mughal king Babar, in which he proudly proclaims that he wiped off Kufra from so and so lands with his sword. Today’s Pakistan, Afganistan are the places where Muslim rulers dominated the most. Jijiya was yet another reason for the conversion. Dont forget about the assassination of Guru Arjan Dev Ji, Guru Teg Bahadur Ji, Bhai Mati Das Ji, Bhai Sati Das Ji, Banda Vairagi and many more such religious leaders of Hindu communities. Those rulers even killed the boys of 10 or 12 like sons of Guru Govind Singh Ji and Hakikat Rai, for their refusal to accept Islam.
I ask you, if in Muslim rule, religious leaders of other faiths were killed with such brutality, how could the common people remain safe?
“I don’t know whether such stories are either true or not.” Now u amaze me. Have u not heard of muslim conquistadors Timur the lane, Nadir Shah, Ahmad Shah Durrani, etc. who only looted, plundered, murdered, caused mayhem and destruction whereever they went. U are at liberty not to believe in these stories, coz I understand the embarassment it will cause u.
The underlying meaning is that allah is not being just as he is displaying a certain degree of partiality.
@truthseeker
namaste brother,
Please compare Islamic philosophy and Vedic philosophy on this issue. Vedas say that whatever one gets, whether joy or sorrow, is always due to his own deeds. But Islam says, one gets happiness and sorrow because Allah has written it in Lohe Mehfooz and He has created some, to kill and some to be killed. Now you compare which one is more painful? I may not remember the deed, but certainly, by seeing effect, I shall think of a cause because Eeshvar is just. It is same as if some insect bites me while sleeping, and when I wake up, I find some rashes on the skin or feel pain but no insect. But certainly, I know that someone has bitten me even if I did not see the insect. This is known as cause effect relationship in Vedic philosophy, in which, effect tells you about the cause.
You are welcome to discuss more on this issue brother.
In Islam , the life on earth(which is less than 0.001% of the life in hereafter) is a test. When you see someone in sorrow and others in joy, it doesn’t mean that Allah has favoured one over the other. They are being tested. Suppose I am a righteous person and still if I’m experiencing many hardships, I don’t have to think that I did some wrong in the past life, rather I should know that Allah is testing me temporarily and if I show patience, he shall reward me in the Hereafter.
In reincarnation, you have to assume that you have done some wrong. In the insect example you showed, you are able to use your intellect to find the reason for the same. But, how do you find the wrongs that you have done in the past life? This is punishment without showing the cause. There is clear lack of natural justice. Also, doesn’t it giv the license for rich people to believe that the poor and destitute were some sort of criminals in their past life. IF so, why should I help them?
@truthseeker
Brother go and get some basics of maths clear before writing about %age! Muslims claim hell or heaven is forever and hence for infinite time! So, how does the concept of 0.001% come into the picture? Dont you know that any finite number has no significance in comparison to infinity? Or you accept that heaven or hell are not forever? If so, you are no longer a Muslim!
I could not understand who is being tested in this whole process? Is not Allah confident about his own writing? If he has already decided our fate, where is the test? Rather it is the test of Allah, whether His writing is fulfilled or not!
Can you talk about justice or injustice till you believe a God who has created us with no purpose? Why did he create us? You see lack of justice in reincarnation, which says that whatever you get, its all due to your own deeds and you claim your judgment perfect in which Allah randomly chose some to send to hell so that He can fill the hell! (See Quran 32:13 to know more).
You yourself accept cause effect relationship between deeds and fruits and that is why Quran recommends hell for wrong doers and heaven for the nobles. Then why do you deny the fruits of present as the effect of past deeds?
I said “LESS than 0.001%”. I know we can’t compare infinity to any number, but you know what I tried to imply.
Allah has pre knowledge doesn’t mean that we are not tested. Are you saying that God doesn’t have knowledge of what a soul would or would not do?
Who said we are not created without purpose? The purpose of our creation is to do “Ibadah” or worship. This does not mean prayers alone. It means obedience to God that encompass every human action.
Please refer to my previous post as to why I cannot believe in reincarnation.
Also, I heard that Vedas don’t say anything about reincarnation. If so, from where did you get this concept?
@truthseeker
No I dont know what did you try to imply. Get it clear first then try to explain me. If you actually say this time of world as Zero in comparison to hereafter, which certainly is, this is biggest unjust to give infinite punishment for no deeds!
I know Eeshvar knows, what can we do. But in my thinking, He only knows, he has not forced me to do the things as per his knowledge. Quran tells Allah as the One, whose will is behind every act, which is evident from Quran [32:13] and [16:93].
I asked about purpose of Allah behind the creation, not of us! When we were not there at all, who needed Ibadah? Why did not create Allah before?
This is the problem that you have heard only. You should read Vedas yourself and then make conclusions. I proved in my previous replies that you have no logic to discard reincarnation. Vedas clearly talk about reincarnation. Do you want proofs?
I don’t think disbelief in Allah is a finite sin. If suppose you were to live on earth eternally, would you still believe in Allah (swt). ?
I don’t understand your questions..Too philosophical it seems. Don’t expect me to answer on behalf of Allah (swt).
Please take your own time and bring all the sufficient proofs from Vedas.
@truthseeker
Dont non Muslims convert to Islam? If disbelief is an infinite sin, how can a non Muslim (who has been committing infinite sins for years) even after converting to Islam can go to heaven?
Suppose there were two atheists, who used to criticize Islam. One day, one of them died. So he would go to hell as per Quran. Now after one year, the second one, through some incident suddenly realized that God exists and then he converted to Islam. It happens many a times, we all witness such changes in our lives. Now he follows Islam completely and shall go to heaven as per Quran.
In the above example, second atheist got opportunity because he lived more. Dont you think that if we get another chance, we will have more opportunity to understand the truth?
What will you do if I show the proofs of reincarnation from Vedas?
@truthseeker
Jhatka style is least painful, as it takes hardly a moment to kill an animal. Instead of believing Zakir in these issues, go to any doctor and ask him.
@truthseeker
Brother, I wrote only about pain, as you said that halal is least painful. Halal is the most torturing style of slaughtering, and Zakir Naik just fools the muslims by these lies.
Dear brother, new researches have disproven this. Please visit site of islamveg.com
@truthseeker
if indeed the halal slaughter is not painful according to u or zakr naik "so called doctor" , at times i heard people say the animal moans in pain while being slaughtered, the why does the animal moan? The sad part is u do this in the name of religoin, u proudly chant allah's name as if ur doing a great deed by killing an innocent animal and moreover u do these things infront of little kids and allow them to watch this graphical disturbance. No, wonder when muslim kids grow up, they dont hesistate to kill especailly when they become jihadis.
@truthseeker
many times the translators misinterpret the text, but anyway, I dont want to comment on the shloka, until I see it.
@truthseeker
you did not tell that why do you need to bow to an omnipresent God when He is also in your heart?
There is no concept of omnipresent God in Islam. Bowing down is one of the best ways to show submission. How do you explain omnipresence of God? Does it mean that God occupies all the space except the matter. There are many filthy things on Earth, does God exist there also?
@truthseeker
God is omnipresent like space. Please remember, this space is not “Aasmaan”of Quran, which is made firm on pillars, rather it is the free place where all other objects reside. This space is omnipresent and lives inside everything. Same is the case with God. And He can not get impure by any “filthy” thing just like there is no effect on space of any dirtiness whatsoever.
Anyway, brother, if Gos is not omnipresent, He is confined within some boundaries. Do you think it is good to worship a “confined” God? And what is the problem if God is omnipresent? Do you think “filth” for us is “filth” for God too? Is He afraid of getting filthy? Can anyone make God impure? If that be so, why did He create filth?
And ur mentor, Zakir Naik has problems with hindus who indulge in idol worship. In the same breath, it can be said that u will never accept our ideology no matter how logical it may sound.
@truthseeker
Moreover, Swami Dayanand did not hammer any idol or praise any terrorist for doing so. He advised people to think rationally, but he neither heart the sentiments of people by breaking the idols nor he killed the idol worshipers. But Zakir defends those invaders, who broke idols and also he is a supporter of Talibans, who blew out the Buddha idols.
@truthseeker
then why are Zakir Naik and other mullahs taking shelter of science to prove Quran best? Why every scientific fact is discovered by Zakir and co. in Quran?
@truthseeker
this mathematics has nothing to do with book of God. Many mathematician do form such puzzles and entertain the readers. You were asked to show the verses which talks about spherical shape of earth and its revolution around sun, which you have not yet given!
@truthseeker
There is no such verse in Vedas that authenticates a woman to be thrown in fire or to remain unmarried forever. In fact, Vedas command the woman to live life again with a new partner. All this crap is made up by muslims do defame Vedas.
Name a few countries where women outnumber men?
i can send u the stats of each country where majority of the countries or almost all of them have more men, so dont u think polyandry would be a better option?
if polyandry is socially unfit, then so is polygamy, how would u react if ur dad had multiple wives besides ur mother and ask ur mother how would she feel?
Brother, I did not say Vedas authenticated it. The issues which widows faced like sati, prohibition of remarriage were all present in Hindu society. From which scriptures did Hindus got such practices (maybe Puranas or Upanishads)? If a girl doesn't want her husband to have multiple wives, she has the option of mentioning it in the marriage contract. If a man is going to marry a second time against the wish of his first wife, then I'm against it, but if his first wife agrees to it, then I don't see any problem.
@truthseeker
Brother, just because a woman agrees to let her husband marry another woman, doesnt mean its right. Nowadays, some women who are too modern wont even mind if her husband is having an affair, now u tell me since she doesnt mind, is it morally right?
Having an external affair is a totally different case and hence not allowed. Whereas in a marriage, there is protection, sustenance, rights etc given to women. There is nothing immoral here.
@truthseeker
Brother, please go through the following articles on this site and find the protection and rights given to women. http://agniveer.com/muslim-wife-concubine/ http://agniveer.com/islam-and-women-rights/ http://agniveer.com/i-am-a-muslim-woman/
@truthseeker
There are very few places where women have outnumbered men. Allah should have given guidelines for the situation which remains most of the time and not for the rare situation. What about those countries (including Pak, Saudi Arabia) in which men are more?
If you accept polygamy, why not polyandry? I know the reasons for immorality of both polygamy and polyandry. One marriage at a time is the best solution to all problems. In vedas, re marriage is allowed for those, who have lost their partners, and one widow and one widower can chose each other for this purpose.
@truthseeker
so your logic is that whatever is being followed/reached by majority, is from God. Then non muslims are more than muslims and they do not follow Quran, it means that Quran can not be God's revelation. By the way, how many muslims know arabic and can read Quran?
There are 99% people in the world who dont speak truth, dont do noble deeds, it means 1% truthful people are wrong!
@truthseeker
1)brother, If Allah is all knowing and everywhere, why does he want u to follow a certain direction, is he not powerfull enought to detect ur prayers from any corner of the earth? When we meditate, we dont require any direction like the kaaba to face, because we know Ishwar is everywhere and all knowing.
2)If salaat is still vaild, then what is the need for Kaaba? Will Allah be extra pleased if u look towards the black stone?
3)brother, all i have to say, as long as the kaaba is associated in ur salaats, for wotever reason whether its concentration, whether is for direction, whether its to please Allah, U will remain Idolators. Because Even an average hindu doesnt consider his idols GOD, and he tells us that he only uses it for concentration. Even sikhs are idolators when they bow before their Guru Granth Sahib. My point is that everyone is an idolator in one way or the other, but u guys just prefer ur way of idol worship. Only Vedic Followers are true Idolators because we meditate by a scientific process called yoga to align our mind, body and sould
4)Brohter, bowing down can only be done to concrete things like kings humans emperors. But ur allah is claimed to be formless, so how can u bow to him? U guys bow before the Kaaba hence its idol worship again because u need a solid depictoin to bow down before something and u use the kaaba for it. Brother, a formless GOD can only be meditated upon, now bowed. I hope I made myself clear.
@truthseeker
1. We muslims! Brother, I think you are an Indian, and definitely share common ancestors with us. Which centuries are you talking about? Your ancestors were Vedic followers and not Arabs, please remember that.
2. Brother think again why do you bow? To show respect. To whom? To the one, who is in front of you, is not it? Now tell me when God is omnipresent, then He is inside you as well, then how can you bow in front of him? Moreover, when you bow, you actually insult God by showing your back to God, since he is present in the back side also!
In case of Vedas, we dont need to bow down to any direction because Eeshvar is present everywhere and we need not to show respect to just one part (which is in front of us) of Him.
Please think logically before commenting on it brother.
@truthseeker
Did Aisha has option to write anything in the marriage contract? Question is not here what do you support or reject. Question is that Quran and Hadith allow sex slavery which is definitely against the will of girl.
No, we believe Allah is perfect. He knows what is best at different points of time. The scriptures that came after Quran are all man made. But, that's not the case with Quran.
Now, why should I disprove Vedas from being a divine revelation?. Even, if its a divine revelation, it doesn't contradict anything. Becoz Quran says messengers of Allah were send to every nation and scriptures were send to them.
Please tell me why shouldn't Allah create an immortal soul ?
In all the revelations, the basic message has always been the same. But the scriptures got corrupted by time. Just, look at one of the later revelations, the Bible itself has got contradictions and man made laws.
@truthseeker
can u tell me what was the first revelation sent by Allah? I mean at the time of Adam or Noah???? Torah was sent at Musa, so Torah cant be the first, so can u kindly tell me what was the first??
Even Quran has contradictions but u just dont accept them.
We don't know what was the first revelation. That's not important here. We know that the core message has always been the same in all revelations.
There are many verses in the Quran which are relevant to the context. Once you understand the context well, you don't see anything wrong.
Please read the following verses from Surah Aal Imran .
3:7] It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muúammad], the Book;
in it are verses [that are] precise – they are the foundation of the
Book – and others unspecific.98 As for those in whose hearts is
deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific,
seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them].
And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those
firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our
Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding,
3:8]. [Who say], "Our Lord, let not our hearts deviate after You have
guided us and grant us from Yourself mercy. Indeed, You are
the Bestower.
@truthseeker
Why did Allah create us? And why did not Allah protect his previous revelations from getting corrupted? If his previous revelations were corrupted, then why can not Quran be corrupted? Is Quran Allah's favorite book? Why did Allah write everything in Loh e Mehfooz? What was the need? Why did he write sorrow in some people's fate and joy for others?
1. Not as much as men. Not even 10 %
2. Have you heard of situations where men are finding no girls to marry?
3. Polygamy is feasible, and like the analogy I made, it is to be practiced ONLY WHEN REQUIRED, when no other solution exists.
4. Revelations were send before Quran.
Revelations were sent before the Quran, but why not the Quran in the first place? Was Allah compiling the Quran all this while?
And have u heard of situations where women have found no men to marry? If I could be enlightened in this respect.
Yes, the verse of polygamy was revealed after the Uhud invasion. Many women lost their husbands in the Uhud war. And the number of Muslim men were only few in number.
Other situation is that which prevailed in Germany and other European countries after the Second World War. Hope this is enough
@truthseeker
And what to do when men are more than women, which is the case with almost every country of the world and almost for every times? Why does not Quran solve this problem, when it provides the solution for the rare cases like of Uhud war, which occur once in hundreds of years?
Not even 10% of men, maybe in some smaller wars, but what about the major wars, viz. the American Civil War, the Chinese Civil War, World Wars 1 and 2, the Vietnam War, Partition of India-Pakistan, Ugandan Civil War, Afghanistan conflict, Arab-Israeli conflict, etc. (the list is very long, btw). If u could shed some light here as well?
Thats why I said the permission of the first wife should be taken before marrying the second. And also it should be practiced only when necessary. For eg: when one has a sick or infertile wife, he can chose to marry a second keeping the first wife as well.
@truthseeker
Were the wives also asked before keeping sex slaves? Please go to the articles related to Women in Islam on the site and discover the true Islam through Quran, hadith, and Seerat.
@truthseeker
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Would u also support a lady having a sick or infertile husband to marry a second husband keeping the first husband as well??????????
@truthseeker
Does it imply that whatever you have not heard can not be better?
The first time I heard the statement "Islam is the only religion which shows how to kill an animal by giving it the least pain" was from a Hindu prof. Ramaswamy during an award function. That was when I was in 10th. Now, the above statemnt have been said by many others as well. Has anyone scientifically proved Jhatka is better? Now, lets assume Jhatka is slightly less painful than Halal slaughter. Still then, it is unhygienic. So the best method goes to the Halal way.
@truthseeker
You would like to go through the site below, run by muslims only, and discover, what many muslims have to say about non veg and halal! http://www.islamveg.com/
By the way, you first claimed halaal to be least painful as Zakir Bhai MBBS says and now you have changed your stand!
A true GOD NEVER NEEDS PROPHETS. ALL MIS-ARGUMENTS BY MARIA SHOWS SHE IS HIGHLY BRAIN-WASHED. Wish her a good life where she could think freely & independently with need of any Prophet of God. GOD & GOD's KNOWLEDGE IS FREE of so called prophetical interpretations like M's.
As you are a truthseeker, please search more on this topic by yourself, and do not belive whatever one says. In a Vedic Dharma, you are allowed to challenge evrything and if it fits to your rationality, then and then accept it. There are many videos about Reincarnation out there.
You can also search on Near Death Experience on internet.
I think this must be sufficient for initiation.
I know it goes against your faith, but, truth is truth. Please open your mind with the light of truth.
Then say watever u wanna say on this forum
@gopal….
m i brain-washed or r u?? thnk twice!!!!!!!!!!
suno suno baba , Maria behen bolee hain…
Sister, we were missing u ! Pls give us ur insights on other articles as well. don't limit urself to zakir naik page
@Maria
namaste sister,
I am waiting for the replies to my questions asked way back. That time you wrote that you are doing research to find the answers. Just asking sister, are you done with your research? If yes, then please enlighten us with that too, as brother Aman said, we are waiting for your comments!
I am also waiting for Sister Maria's comment.
I like the way she reply to these comments.
Please sister, reply soon.
I have no knowledge of Vedas. I will try to learn from this site. My sister is an Ayurvedic student and she speaks highly of Vedas.
@truthseeker
Brother, you can start reading about Vedas from a book called "Rigvedadi Bhashya Bhumika" by Swami Dayanand on the following link- http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/
@truthseeker
1. And brother, who made this society not the same all time? It is again Allah, who has written our faiths even before our creation! So, He wanted half of the people to enter heaven and half to hell. He gave his books only to those, whom he wanted to send to paradise.
2. Muhammad was a prophet and he should be directed by Allah such that he could be the role model of people of all time. But from your words, it is proved that Muhammad could be the prophet of the Arabs of 1400 years ago, who were fools and low in character. But now, Muhammad is no more than a pedophile.
1. It has to be understood in the way that Allah knows what our fate will be. He has definitely given us the free will. Just think the various things that you do everyday. Is it God making you do it or is it by ur will?
2. The outlook of the society changes with time. That doesn't necessarily mean one is right and the other is wrong.
Now you are accusing our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Do you know that at the age of 25 he married a widow of the age 40 ? And he shared a very happy 25 years of his blessed life with Hadrath Khadija. This fact is alone enough for us to believe that he is innocent of all the scandals that you accuse him of.
@truthseeker
1. No, it is not just Allah knows, but He has written our fates way before our creation. Why did He write that some people will do kufra and some will be muslims? Why did He not write that all will be muslims?
2. Do you know, who was Rehana? She was a Jewish woman, whose husband was killed in front of her in the presence of Muhammad and then just after seeing her husband died, she was proposed by Muhammad to become his wife! When she refused, Muhammad forcefully took her away as his sex slave. If you still believe Muhammad to be innocent, you are a mincer of truth and not a seeker.
@truthseeker
1)Nope, u are wrong, according to islam, nothing is done with our free will, for example, look at ur self, everything u have done was already predecided by allah and written in Lohe Mahfooz, so u think its ur free will but its not. Only in Vedas, a human has free will. I suggest u read the articles "helpless destiny in islam" and "God must be crazy" on this site and u will realize that Islam is utter nonsense.
2)We dont abuse ur prophet, we are reading from the hadiths, now if u havent read ur hadiths thats not our problem, if u have, either u are too ashamed to admit or u feel those hadiths have been corrupted.
@truthseeker
1. Allah in quran says that he has given quran in your own language. This is the biggest proof of Quran to be sent for Arabs only! Forget about whole mankind.
2. How many of muslims know Arabic and the meaning of Quran outside Arabia? Do you know Arabic? Is not the knowledge of Quran confined to those, who know Arabic?
3. Quran can not be compared by Vedas because Quran was not in existence before 1400 years ago, but Vedas were existent much before Quran and do exist today also. So, Quran is definitely proved for a specific period, since it was not present before 1400 years ago!
4. Brother, Vedas are not the property of anyone. You can read it whenever you want, nobody can stop you. To know more, go through the article-"There is no cast system in Vedas".
1. Thats not a proof at all. Arabic was the language of the people where it was revealed. Arabic is still a living language whereas Sanskrit , the language of Vedas has almost died.
2. To my knowldge, all the Imams of the local mosques know Arabic well. And common Muslims like me are taught Arabic atleast to read and right as well as the meanings of that which is recited in prayers, dhikr etc. The knowledge in the Quran is known to others through the translations.
3. The essential message of the Quran was there right from the first revelation. Quran is in confirmity with the earlier scriptures.
4. But, then why only Brahmins had authority over Vedas earlier?
@truthseeker
1. The verse of Quran is applicable to those only, who know Arabic. Hence Quran can not be the book at all for Non Arabs. By the way, can you tell me the percentage of people, who know Arabic?
2. So count the no of Imams of local mosques, who will be no more than few Lakhs. And if you are OK with translations, why do you ask about Vedas all the time? Why dont you read the translation of Vedas by Swami Dayanand?
3. I talked about Vedas. Do you accept Vedas as first revelation?
4. Why do muslims worship graves? Is it in accordance with Quran? If not then why do you connect Vedas with the deeds of some so called Brahmins? Brother, simply see, what Vedas say and not what people say.
I don't understand your logic. Quran was in Arabic since it was the language of the people WHERE IT WAS REVEALED. Almost all Muslims know to read and write Arabic. Arabic is spoken by a significant portion of the population in more than 20 countries in Middle East and N.Africa. How many people speak Sanskrit?
Regarding Vedas as first revelation, I can only say once I study it. That takes time.
As I have said earlier, majority Muslims go to graves for 'tawassul' or intercession. It's the ignorant ones who do Shirk there.
@truthseeker
brother, listen, i will give u a logical explanation that why Quran cannot be the word of GOD. Brother, when we buy any machine or any car, it always comes with an owner manual that the user or customer must read in order to learn about the features of his her car or machine. We are given that owner manual at the same time we purchase. It is not that we get the owner manual 1 year or multiple years after in mail after our purchase. So similarly, when this universe was made, earth was made, GOD had to send his first revelation at the inception of human civilization, and those were the Vedas. Earth is the machine, Vedas are the owner manual. Now, if Quran were the owner manual, it should have been sent at the very beginning, why was it sent in between? If Quran contained any new message, even our manufactures, when we buy a machine, they never send a new updated version of an owner manual, because they know all the features very well so that is why they send the manual in one go. Same thing GOD has done, although there is a difference between GOD and humans and the difference is that GOD is perfect. If GOD is perfect, his knowledge should be perfect and understandable by people of every era. Tell me 10 things that are in the Quran, that couldnt have been understood by people in the earlier eras? All humans have many things in common regardless of eras, eat, sleep, talk, cry, laugh, now u tell me how are the humans different today that they require a newer revelation. As far as sanskrit goes, let me tell there are two types of sanskrits, Vedic Sanskrit and Conventional Sanskrit, the reason India has dropped in sanskrit is because u know very well India had many invasions in which we lost some quantities of our culture and civilization. Speaking sanskrit and communicating thru it was one of them, but in temples even today, all the prayers are done with Vedas and sanskrit. In temples, all our hymns are from the Vedas.
@truthseeker
how will this verse of Quran be applicable to non Arabs then? In whole Quran, in most places, Allah talks to Arabs or people of Israel. Why did not Allah say even a single word to the people of China, India, America, Australia, UK, EU, where more than 95% of total population live?
@truthseeker
1)for a book to be revealed for all humanity, it should be in a language that is not a native language of any country, or a language that is the mother of all the languages we see today, so far only Sanskrit satisfies this criteria. U may have heard sanskrit is the mother of all languages u see today, so if Quran were for whole humanity, it should have been revealed in sanskrit. I agree sanskrit is very less spoken today, but the thing is all these scriptures have been translated in hindi, so that is why people started to read them in hindi instead. But all hindu preists speak sanskrit, I mean when u go to temples, all the rituals/mantras are chanted in sanskrit.
2)all the Imams that reverted to Vedic Dharma also knew arabic very well, so that is why they understood the true nature of islam, so they left it.
3)but why did Quran's message change from time to time? Believing in one GOD is ok, but today u have to attach muhummads name, and if u dont, u burn in hell, so what was the kalima back then? Even Vedas tells us to have a belief in ONE supreme GOD, but it doesnt tell us to believe in any messengers or prophets because there is no such thing. We are all prophets of GOD, because we know his message.
4)thats a misconception, Vedas are for everyone to read, the brahmins were specialists and anyone is free to become a brahmin and become a specialist, remmember no one is born brahmin or kshatriya or vaishya, everyone is born shudra, so it is the job of a shudra to become a brahmin and propagate Vedas, or it is the job of a shudra to become a kshatriya and so on. These are all just professions not castes. The biggest downfall of our community is that people due to ignorance have transformed these professions into a caste system. Caste system is wrong and is no where in Vedas.
truthseeker & Maria,
Read this
http://www.islam-watch.org/AnwarSheikh/Islam-Arab…
ACCORDING TO KORAN ZAKIR NAIK WILL GO TO HELL. According to the literal Arabic translation of Sura 3:106, 107, on Judgment Day, only people with white faces will be saved. People with black and brown faces will be damned that is white Arab will only go to Heaven. So our Hero Zakir Naik have no chance to going to Muslim heaven. Now Muslims don't tell that is mistranslation, this sura is given in many islamic websites.