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There is no Beef in Vedas

Sanjeev Newar
By Sanjeev Newar
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अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

This entry is part [part not set] of 8 in the series Vedas - Myths and Reality

Vedas - Myths and Reality

The material presented here is based on a thorough and objective analysis of roots of Vedic words, the context in which they appear, Vedic Vocabulary,  Philology, Grammar and other tools critical for correct interpretation of the Vedic mantras. Thus this research series does not merely rely on blind reproduction of works of Max Muller, Griffith, Wilson, Williams and other indologists on Vedas and Vedic language. While they are more popular in contemporary western academia, we have objective reasons to conclude that their works are far from authoritative. We shall explore this facet in more detail in this research series.
Welcome to this first part of the research series on critical evaluation of Misconceptions surrounding the Vedas – the first books of knowledge on earth.
For centuries aspersions have been cast upon the Vedas; the primary holy scriptures of the Hindus of having unholy contents. If one really started believing in those aspersions, the entire Hindu philosophy, culture, and traditions would reduce to nothing but savagery, barbarism and cannibalism.
The Vedas – the very roots of Hinduism, rather the first source of knowledge on earth – are meant for guiding the actions of human being in order to lead a blissful life.
This slanderous campaign has been unleashed by different vested interests to embarrass Hindus around the world citing specific references from the Vedas.
This also comes handy in convincing poor and illiterate Indians to give up their faith on the grounds that their fundamental holy books – the Vedas – contain all the inhuman elements like denigration of women, meat-eating, polygamy, casteism and above all – beef eating.
The Vedas are also accused of animal sacrifice in sacrificial ceremonies popularly known as the YAJNA. Interestingly a section of home-bred intellectuals claiming to have deep study of ancient India has also come up, who cite references from works of western indologists to prove such unholy content in the Vedas.
Saying that the Vedas permit beef-eating and cow-slaughter amounts to striking a lethal blow to a Hindu’s soul. Respect for cow forms a core tenet of Hinduism. Once you are able to convince him of flaws in the foundation of this core tenet and make him feel guilty, he becomes an easy prey for the predator faiths. There are millions of ill-informed Hindus who are not empowered to counter argue and hence quietly surrender.
The vested interests that malign the Vedas are not confined to foreign and home-bred indologists alone. A certain class among Hindus exploited the rest of the population including the socially and economically weaker sections by forcing them to believe and follow what they said in the name of Vedas or else face the wrath.
All the slanders heaped upon the Vedas can be attributed mainly to the interpretations of commentaries written by Mahidhar, Uvat and Saayan in the medieval times; and to what Vam-margis or the Tantra cult propagated in their books in the name of the Vedas.
In due course the falsehood spread far and wide and they became even more deep rooted when western scholars with their half baked knowledge of Sanskrit transliterated these interpretations of commentaries of Sayan and Mahidhar, in the name of translating the Vedas.
However, they lacked the pre-requisite understanding of Shiksha (Phonetics), Vyakarana (Grammar), Nirukta (Philology), Nighantu (Vocabulary), Chhanda (Prosody), Jyotish (Astronomy), Kalpa and so on that are critical for correct interpretation of the Vedas.
The purpose behind Agniveer movement is to objectively evaluate all such misconceptions about the Vedas – the foundation of human knowledge and establish their piety, sanctity, great ideals and philosophy that cater not only to Hindus but to every human being without bars, bias or discrimination of any kind.
Section 1: No  violence against animals
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Yasmintsarvaani bhutaanyaatmaivaabhuudvijaanatah
Tatra ko mohah kah shokah ekatvamanupasyatah
Yajurveda 40.7
“Those who see all beings as souls do not feel infatuation or anguish at their sight, for they experience oneness with them”.
How could people who believed in the doctrines of indestructibility, transmigration  dare to kill living animals in yajnas? They might be seeing the souls of their own near and dear ones of bygone days residing in those living beings.
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Anumantaa vishasitaa nihantaa krayavikrayee
Samskartaa chopahartaa cha khadakashcheti ghaatakaah
Manusmrithi 5.51
Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that
meat and those who eat are all murderers.
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Breehimattam yavamattamatho maashamatho tilam
Esha vaam bhaago nihito ratnadheyaaya dantau maa hinsishtam pitaram maataram cha
Atharvaveda 6.140.2
O teeth! You eat rice, you eat barley, you gram and you eat sesame. These cereals are specifically meant for you. Do not kill those who are capable of being fathers and mothers.
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Ya aamam maansamadanti paurusheyam cha ye kravih
Garbhaan khaadanti keshavaastaanito naashayaamasi
Atharvaveda 8.6.23

We ought to destroy those who eat cooked as well as uncooked meat, meat involving destruction of males and females, foetus and eggs.
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Anago hatya vai bheema kritye
Maa no gaamashvam purusham vadheeh
Atharvaveda 10.1.29

It is definitely a great sin to kill innocents. Do not kill our cows, horses and people.
How could there be justification of cow and other animals being killed when killing is so clearly prohibited in the Vedas?
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Aghnyaa yajamaanasya pashoonpahi
Yajurveda 1.1
“O human! animals are Aghnya – not to be killed. Protect the animals”
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Pashunstraayethaam
Yajurveda 6.11
Protect the animals.
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Dwipaadava Chatushpaatpaahi
Yajurveda 14.8
Protect the bipeds and quadrupeds!
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Kravy da –kravya[ meat obtained from slaughter] + Ada [ the eater]—the meat eater.
Pisacha — pisita [meat] +asa [eater]—the meat eater.
Asutrpa — Asu [breath of life] + trpa [one who satisfies himself on]—one who takes others life for his meals.
Garba da and Anda da – the foetus and egg eaters.
Mans da – the meat eaters
Meat eaters have always been looked down in Vedic literature. They have been known as Rakshasas, Pisacha and so on….All these words are synonyms of demons or devils that have been out-cast from the civilized human society.
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Urjam no dhehi dwipade chatushpade
Yajurveda 11.83
“May all bipeds and quadrupeds gain strength and nourishment”
This mantra is recited by Hindus before every meal. How could the same philosophy which prays for well-being of every soul in every moment of life, approve of killing animals?
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Section 2: No  violence in Yajna

Yajna never meant animal sacrifice in the sense popularly understood. Yajna in the Vedas meant a noble deed or the highest purifying action.
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Adhvara iti Yajnanaama – Dhvaratihimsaakarmaa tatpratishedhah
Nirukta 2.7
According to Yaaska Acharya, one of the synonyms of Yajna in Nirukta or the Vedic philology is Adhvara.
Dhvara means an act with himsa or violence. And therefore a-dhvara means an act involving no himsa or no violence. There are a large number of such usage of Adhvara in the Vedas.
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In the post-Mahabharata period, misinterpretation of the Vedas and interpolations in other scriptures took place at various points intime. Acharya Shankar reestablished the Vedic values to an extent.
In the more recent times, Swami Dayanand Saraswati – known as the grandfather of modern India – interpreted the Vedas as per thecorrect rules of the language and authentic evidences. His literature, which includes commentary on the Vedas, Satyarth Prakash loosely translated as Light of Truth, An Introduction to the Vedas and other texts led to widespread social reformation based on Vedic philosophy and dispelling of myths surrounding the Vedas.
Let us discover what the Vedas have to say on Yajna.
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Agne yam yagnamadhvaram vishwatah pari bhuurasi
Sa id deveshu gacchati
Rigveda 1.1.4
O lord of effulgence! The non-violent Yajna, you prescribe from all sides, is beneficial for all, touches divine proportions and is accepted by noble souls.
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The Rigveda describes Yajna as Adhvara  or non violent throughout. Same is the case with all the other Vedas. How can it be then concluded that the Vedas permit violence or slaughter of animals?
The biggest accusation of cattle and cow slaughter comes in the context of the Yajnas that derived their names from different cattle like the Ashwamedh Yajna, the Gomedha Yajna and the Nar-medh Yajna. Even by the wildest stretch of the imagination the word Medha would not mean slaughter in this context.
It’s interesting to note what Yajurveda says about a horse
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Imam ma himsirekashafam pashum kanikradam vaajinam vaajineshu
Yajurveda 13.48
Do not slaughter this one hoofed animal that neighs and who goes with a speed faster than most of the animals.
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Aswamedha does not mean horse sacrifice at Yajna. Instead the Yajurveda clearly mentions that a horse ought not to be slaughtered.
In Shathapatha, Ashwa is a word for the nation or empire
The word medha does not mean slaughter. It denotes an act done in accordance to the intellect Alternatively it could mean consolidation, as evident from the root meaning of medha i.e. medhru san-ga-me
Raashtram vaa ashwamedhah
Annam hi gau
Agnirvaa ashwah
Aajyam medhah
(Shatpath 13.1.6.3)
Swami Dayananda Saraswati wrote in his Light of Truth:
A Yajna dedicated to the glory, wellbeing and prosperity of the Rashtra the nation or empire is known as the Ashwamedh yajna.
“To keep the food pure or to keep the senses under control, or to make the food pure or to make a good use of the rays of Sun or keep the earth free from impurities[clean] is called Gomedha Yajna”.
“The word Gau also means the Earth and the yajna dedicated to keep the Earth the environment clean is called Gomedha Yajna”
“The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna”.
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Section 3: No beef in Vedas

Not only the Vedas are against animal slaughter but also vehemently oppose and prohibit cow slaughter.Yajurveda forbids killing of cows, for they provide energizing food for human beings
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Ghrtam duhaanaamaditim janaayaagne maa himsiheeh
Yajurveda 13.49
Do not kill cows and bulls who always deserve to be protected.
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Aare gohaa nrhaa vadho vo astu
Rigveda 7.56.17
In Rigveda cow slaughter has been declared a heinous crime equivalent to human murder and it has been said that those who commits this crime should be punished.
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Sooyavasaad bhagavatee hi bhooyaa atho vayam bhagvantah syaama
Addhi trnamaghnye vishwadaaneem piba shuddhamudakamaacharantee
Rigveda 1.164.40 or Atharv 7.73.11 or Atharv 9.10.20
The Aghnya cows – which are not to be killed under any circumstances– may keep themselves healthy by use of pure water and green grass, so that we may be endowed with virtues, knowledge and wealth.
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The Vedic Lexicon, Nighantu, gives amongst other synonyms of Gau[ or cow] the words Aghnya. Ahi, and Aditi. Yaska the commentator on Nighantu, defines these as-
Aghnya the one that ought not to be killed
Ahi the one that must not be slaughtered.
Aditi the one that ought not to be cut into pieces.
These three names of cow signify that the animal ought not to be put to tortures. These words appear frequently throughout the Vedas in context of the cow.
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Aghnyeyam saa vardhataam mahate soubhagaaya
Rigveda 1.164.27
Cow – The aghnya – brings us health and prosperity
Suprapaanam Bhavatvaghnyaayaah
Rigveda 5.83.8
There should be excellent facility for pure water for Aghnya Cow
Yah paurusheyena kravishaa samankte yo ashwena pashunaa yaatudhaanah
Yo aghnyaayaa bharati ksheeramagne teshaam sheershaani harasaapi vrishcha
Rigveda 10.87.16
Those who feed on human, horse or animal flesh and those who destroy milk-giving Aghnya cows should be severely punished.
Vimucchyadhvamaghnyaa devayaanaa aganma
Yajurveda 12.73
The Aghnya cows and bulls bring you prosperity
Maa gaamanaagaamaditim vadhishta
Rigveda 8.101.15
Do not kill the cow. Cow is innocent and aditi – that ought not to be cut into pieces
Antakaaya goghaatam
Yajurveda 30.18
Destroy those who kill cows
Yadi no gaam hansi yadyashwam yadi poorusham
Tam tvaa seesena vidhyaamo yatha no so aveeraha
Atharvaveda 1.16.4
If someone destroys our cows, horses or people, kill him with a bullet of lead.
Vatsam jaatamivaaghnyaa
Atharvaveda 3.30.1
Love each other as the Aghnya – non-killable cow – loves its calf
Dhenu sadanam rayeenaam
Atharvaveda 11.1.34
Cow is fountainhead of all bounties
The entire 28th Sukta or Hymn of 6th Mandal of Rigveda sings the glory of cow.
Aa gaavo agnamannuta bhadramakrantseedantu
Bhooyobhooyo rayimidasya vardhayannabhinne
Na taa nashanti na dabhaati taskaro naasaamamitro vyathiraa dadharshati

Na taa arvaa renukakaato ashnute na samskritramupa yanti taa abhi

Gaavo bhago gaava indro me achhaan

Yooyam gaavo medayathaa

Maa vah stena eeshata maaghanshasah
1. Everyone should ensure that cows are free from miseries and kept healthy.
2. God blesses those who take care of cows.
3. Even the enemies should not use any weapon on cows
4. No one should slaughter the cow
5. Cow brings prosperity and strength
6. If cows keep healthy and happy, men and women shall also keep disease free and prosperous
7. May the cow eat green grass and pure water. May they not be killed and bring prosperity to us.
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What more proofs does one need to understand the high esteem in whichnot only the cow but each living being is held in the Vedas.
The learned audience can decide for themselves from these evidences that the Vedas are completely against any inhuman practice… to top it all the Beef and Cow slaughter.

There is no Beef in Vedas.

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Bibliography:
1.    Rigveda Bhashya – Commentary on Rigveda by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
2.    Yajurveda Bhashya – Commentary on Yajurveda by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
3.    No Beef in Vedas by BD Ukhul
4.    Vedon ka Yatharth Swaroop (True nature of Vedas) by Pt Dharmadeva Vidyavachaspati
5.    All 4 Veda Samhita by Pt Damodar Satvalekar
6.    Pracheen Bharat me Gomamsa – Ek Sameeksha (Beef in Ancient India – an analysis) by Geeta Press, Gorakhpur
7.    The Myth of Holy Cow – by DN Jha
8.    Hymns of Atharvaveda – Griffith
9.    Scared Books of the east – Max Muller
10.    Rigveda translations by Williams/Jones
11.    Sanskrit English Dictionary – Monier Williams
12.    Commentary on Vedas by Dayanand Sansthan
13.    Western Indologists – a study of motives by Pt Bhagvadutt
14.     Satyarth Prakash by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
15.     Introduction to Vedas by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
16.     Cloud over understanding of Vedas by BD Ukhul
17.    Shathpath Brahman
18.     Nirukta – Yaska Acharya
19.     Dhatupath – Panini
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Addendum on 14 April 2010:
After this article, there was severe reaction from various sources who cannot live with the fact that Vedas and ancient culture of our nation could have been more ideal than their current communistic ideals. I received several mails that tried to refute the articles by citing additional references that support beef-eating. These include 2 mantras from Rigveda, and some Shlokas from Manu Smriti and a few other texts. An example is the comment from Avtar Gill on this page itself. On these, I have to say the following:
a. The article has given evidence from Manu Smriti itself which states that even one who permits killing is a murderer. Thus all these additional shlokas are either from adulterated Manu Smriti or misinterpreted by twisting of words. I recommend them to read Manu Smriti by Dr Surendra Kumar.
b. A typical example of foul play by those hell-bent on justifying their obsession with beef in ancient texts, is to translate Mansa as ‘meat’. In reality, ‘Mansa’ is a generic word used to denote pulp. Meat is called ‘Mansa’ because it is pulpy. So mere presence of ‘Mansa’ does not mean it refers to meat.
c. The other texts referred by them are among dubious ones not considered authoritative evidence. Their modus operandi is simple – state anything written in Sanskrit as Dharma and translate the way they want to prove whatever they want. This is how they have been fooling us all by filling our textbooks with all unverified demeaning claims.
d. With regards to Vedas, they could come up with two mantras that supposedly justify beef eating. Let us evaluate them:
Claim: Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
Fact: The mantra states that in winter, the rays of sun get weakened and then get strong again in spring. The word used for sun-rays in ‘Go’ which also means cow and hence the mantra can also be translated by making ‘cow’ and not ‘sun-rays’ as the subject. The word used for ‘weakened’ is ‘Hanyate’ which can also mean killing. But if that be so, why would the mantra go further and state in next line (which is deliberately not translated) that in spring, they start regaining their original form.
How can a cow killed in winter regain its health in spring? This amply proves how ignorant and biased communists malign Vedas.
Claim: Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
Fact: The mantra states that brilliant scholars enlighten the world in the manner that wood enhances the fire of Yajna. I fail to understand from where did Avtar Gill and his friends discover Indra, cow, calf, horse and buffalo in this mantra!
In summary, I continue the challenge to everyone – cite one single mantra from Vedas that justify beef-eating and I shall be eager to embrace any faith that he or she may decide for me. If not, they should agree to revert back to the Vedas.
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अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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Sanjeev Newar
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Sanjeev Newar is an eminent data scientist, entrepreneur, best-selling author, and speaker with expertise in Vedas and Sanskrit. He is an alumnus of IIT Guwahati and IIM Calcutta. He quit the corporate world to work for social inclusion and the protection of the vulnerable. For his work on Dalit inclusion and empowerment, he received the Neelkantha Award in 2019. He founded the Sewa Nyaya Utthan Foundation to make quality education accessible to vulnerable groups and marginalised communities.

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    • You people tend to be right and the others wrong!!
      The next day another tom, dick and harry will say that I’ve done a thorough research and which is better than this one and then you people will even believe that as for now you’re believing this! 🙂

      • And you didn’t mention that to which GOD you’re asking to bless him as you have somewhat like more than 9 to 10 major “BHAGANBANS” including that BIRSA MUNDA!

      • Ayub ansari it is you people who think you are right and others wrong!!!
        How come you accuse hindus of that,saints in hinduism never proclaimed that our way is the only way to reach god.Hindus see god in all creatures so innumerable numbers of higher beings claim that they are not different from brahman.Hindu god ishwar accepts all prayers as he resides in all beings as awareness.
        Comming from a background of gods who terrorize i doubt you understand what i said.
        Better try to understand what Ana al Haq means and submit yourself to god (that is the meaning of islam) rather than making fun of other religions which you cant understand.

      • @Sridhar: First thing coming first!
        1. I’m straight forward and not like “others” who turn even the straightest locus of a talk!
        2. See directly or indirectly one has to be right and the other to be wrong and I don’t think that the saints and whatever of yours didn’t say that what I’m doing is not right because no one on this planet would do anything wrong!
        3. See a very basic difference between Hinduism and Islam is that of a simple ” ‘ “. Did you notice that? Well, that was an apostrophe i.e., you say everything is GOD whether it be cow, Sun, Tree or anything whereas we the people say everything’s GOD’s i.e.. the Sun’s created by the almighty who’s undoubtedly one according to all religions of the world, the cow’s created by the almighty “ALLAH” and the list goes on.
        4. I Doubt whether you’re a Hindu! I mean people like you make fun of your religion “Comming from a background of gods who terrorize” what did you mean by this sentence? I was confused but now am sure of that you’re not a practicing Hindu!
        Neither you’ve read the VEDAS(4) nor any epic story thoroughly! I assure you as it is clearly mentioned in [Yajurveda 32:3] “Na tasya Pratima asti”
        “There is no image of Him.” And [Bhagavad Gita 7:20] “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
        Though these facts are given in your book in the initial stage even then you’re mistaken!
        None of the religion says that there is more than one GOD, so this proves you’re not a practicing Hindu! Moreover the job you’re doing is completely immoral! It’s almost like a sin because you make people see what you want them to see!
        I pray to the almighty that you come to the right path and one last thing for you i.e., go at least once through the holy books you challenge to have gone through which includes Vedas not only Rig but all the 4 and your epic stories and the Glorious Qur’an!
        5. I got to know about your personality by the way you kept your views in front of the people Better try to understand what na tasya pratima asti means i.e., there is no image of the almighty (which is the teaching of Vedas) rather than making fun of other religions which you cant understand i.e., ISLAM! Well, I’ll make you go through a short story which begins now: There were two best friends, one day friend A raped the sister of friend B but friend B said nothing and later the same was done by friend B to the sister of friend A! So, does the friend A has the right to say his friend that you did wrong? The answer is a simple one i.e., NO! Same here you made and are continuing to make fun of ISLAM! It wasn’t me who said that “while our skins are roasted in the Hell they(Muslims) would be enjoying Virgins in the Paradise(Jannat) or it wasn’t me that somebody’s there who’s sponsoring Osama and Zakir for the message of ISLAM to be spread over! I never made fun but you’re doing so just for a couple of pennies (PAYPAL donations)!!
        I would like you not to see Dr.Zakir Naik or Sheikh Ahmed Deedat or anyone else as they’re zero but go to Qur’an! Go through it thoroughly and then say whatever you want to!
        Moreover we never said that you guys prepare the bodies of your goddesses even the parts which are not to be seen(breasts) though you’re not allowed to create or worship idols as mentioned in VEDAS and we never shouted…!
        And yeah you talk about crimes, don’t you? So, I’ll make you go through a happening of a recent time! The day starts here:
        A bright sun took its place on the top of everyone’s head and……
        VHP(Viswa Hindu Parisad) and BJP (Bharatiya Janta Party) leaders and supporters in Gujarat searched every possible corner and murdered tenths of thousands of peoples and “”””””raped””””” thousands of sisters and mothers! And the best part was that all who were murdered and “raped” were MUSLIMS and all who did were of your caste as it was a riot in which a minister of VHP raped a girl who was 15!
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        So, just imagine (Main dua karoonga aisa kabhi ho na) but in the place of that MUSLIMS if one of them were you and a person in front of your eyes raped your 15 year old sister and mother and killed your father and brother! How would’ve you felt?!
        At the end of the day, I wanna make you know a lesson of moral value which is not from any holy book but everyone’s believed and yeah the fact i.e., there are some negative side of everything and the same is with the people from any caste maybe Hindu, Sikh or Muslim”!
        Stop this non-sense!
        You’ve got only one life as mentioned in the Vedas, so live it so that the coming generation remembers you as a good person rather than…! In the meanwhile stop this blogsite! I firmly believe that you’ll delete it but if you don’t then it’s of no doubt clear to me that you’re doing it for your livelihood same as Taslima Nasreen, Arun Shoori and many more!
        At least don’t talk bad of anything if you can’t talk good about “any thing”!
        Please stop it! I wouldn’t stuck to this site as I’ve my whole life to take care of so it’s your will but please as it feels pain when someone talks the wrong about anything which’s related to you! It’s neither a debate nor a game but an advice!
        Yours’ goodwisher,
        Mohammad Ayub Ansari.

      • 3. See a very basic difference between Hinduism and Islam is that of a simple ” ‘ “. Did you notice that? Well, that was an apostrophe i.e., you say everything is GOD whether it be cow, Sun, Tree or anything whereas we the people say everything’s God’s i.e.. The Sun’s created by the almighty who’s undoubtedly one according to all religions of the world, the cow’s created by the almighty “ALLAH” and the list goes on.
        >>> This means you are saying that the creation is different from the creator. Hinduism says that the entire creation is filled with God’s power and there is now wrong in worshipping sun, cow or whatever as god will understand your intention to pray and takes no fault in it. However this is not what current version of Islam preaches.
        4-1. I Doubt whether you’re a Hindu! I mean people like you make fun of your religion “Comming from a background of gods who terrorize” what did you mean by this sentence? I was confused but now am sure of that you’re not a practicing Hindu!
        >>> I am that I AM. “I” can only be described mostly as not this, not that. All Gods work by creating fear in humans. Proofs – eternal hell in Islam and Christianity, Rudra in Rig-Veda.
        4-2.Neither you’ve read the VEDAS(4) nor any epic story thoroughly! I assure you as it is clearly mentioned in [Yajurveda 32:3] “Na tasya Pratima asti”
        “There is no image of Him.” And [Bhagavad Gita 7:20] “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
        >>> I haven’t read any vedas. “There is no image of Him” doesn’t mean destroy all images and kill people who worship images.
        Vedas clearly has mention of different GODS.
        Why do you take the portions of Vedas which is in agreement with you and not the portions which is not.
        The same Krishna mentioned “aham atma gudakesa sarva-bhutasaya-sthitah aham adis ca madhyam ca bhutanam anta eva ca” the translation literally means he resides in every living being.
        4-3.Though these facts are given in your book in the initial stage even then you’re mistaken!
        None of the religion says that there is more than one GOD, so this proves you’re not a practicing Hindu!
        >>> GOD is one according to religions which believe in GOD. There is no need to declare “there is no GOD but SOMENAME” as each language/people has got different names to indicate GOD. Here intention matters not the name (Don’t downgrade GOD to a person who likes one name more than the other, such a GOD is worthless to the post of GOD).
        4-4.Moreover the job you’re doing is completely immoral! It’s almost like a sin because you make people see what you want them to see!
        I pray to the almighty that you come to the right path and one last thing for you i.e., go at least once through the holy books you challenge to have gone through which includes Vedas not only Rig but all the 4 and your epic stories and the Glorious Qur’an!
        >>> You contradict your own words i.e. Point 2 “no one on this planet would do anything wrong!”
        All paths are right as they are all laid by GOD. No need to go through sets of books the arguments on this site proves of deficiencies in Quran as well as arguments on other sites proves the deficiencies in Vedas or bible. Problem with most of the people is to take the words in books literally, while many books are just pointing to a state which cannot be described.
        5-1. I got to know about your personality by the way you kept your views in front of the people
        Better try to understand what na tasya pratima asti means i.e., there is no image of the almighty (which is the teaching of Vedas)
        rather than making fun of other religions which you cant understand i.e., ISLAM!
        Well, I’ll make you go through a short story which begins now: There were two best friends, one day friend A raped the sister of friend B but friend B said nothing and later the same was done by friend B to the sister of friend A! So, does the friend A has the right to say his friend that you did wrong? The answer is a simple one i.e., NO! Same here you made and are continuing to make fun of ISLAM! It wasn’t me who said that “while our skins are roasted in the Hell they(Muslims) would be enjoying Virgins in the Paradise(Jannat) or it wasn’t me that somebody’s there who’s sponsoring Osama and Zakir for the message of ISLAM to be spread over! I never made fun but you’re doing so just for a couple of pennies (PAYPAL donations)!!
        I would like you not to see Dr.Zakir Naik or Sheikh Ahmed Deedat or anyone else as they’re zero but go to Qur’an! Go through it thoroughly and then say whatever you want to!
        >>>
        I don’t have any problem with parts of Quran which are peaceful and indicates submission to GOD as it is one of the many ways to get atma jnana.
        According to Quran what ever happens is because of the will of ALLAH. If it is written in “Lohe Mahfooz” that this site needs to be created who am i to ask the administrators to stop this site?
        5-2.
        Moreover we never said that you guys prepare the bodies of your goddesses even the parts which are not to be seen(breasts) though you’re not allowed to create or worship idols as mentioned in VEDAS and we never shouted…!
        >>> The breasts of a goddess indicate the ability to feed the children and there is nothing wrong mentioning breasts of goddesses. It is indeed a great sight to see a woman feeding a young child with her breast, what else we require to prove the protectiveness of god for his children. There is nothing wrong with idol worship as people who worship knew that idol is not the only GOD and the power of GOD (i.e. GOD) is also present in the idol.
        6. Stop this non-sense!
        You’ve got only one life as mentioned in the Vedas, so live it so that the coming generation remembers you as a good person rather than…! In the meanwhile stop this blogsite! I firmly believe that you’ll delete it but if you don’t then it’s of no doubt clear to me that you’re doing it for your livelihood same as Taslima Nasreen, Arun Shoori and many more!
        >>> Lot of Vedic references are given in this site indicating the birth cycle of jivas. Stop reporting only the verses in Vedas which are in accordance with your views. Either denounce Vedas fully or try explaining the other sutras in Vedas which indicate multiple gods. This site denounces violence in hadiths and not whole of Quran. And as I replied in 5-1 the existence of this site is because ALLAH willed so. May be some day Agniveer will proclaim he is the last messenger and some people might believe him.
        I denounce all forms of violence and people who killed innocent Muslims will definitely go to hell as per Vedas unfortunately no concession is given for wrong doing in Vedas otherwise the world would have been lot violent now.
        My comment to you came as an answer to the comment you made about different number of GODS. The truth of different gods is in the present working of democracies’. I don’t go to a government doctor to complain about house burglary. I go to police station. The officers themselves are representatives of government. Same is the case with higher agents though the power in those higher agents as well as me is GOD.
        you follow your path i.e submit yourselves to GOD ( ISLAM).
        I will follow my path i.e Discrimination between real and non real ( for that i require a healthy discussion and this site provides more insight into all religions.
        Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

      • Dear Shri Ayub
        At the outset you seem to be a good man. Since you have adopted the method of answering point by point, I will also provide my thoughts in the same manner:
        1) You said “I’m straight forward ..talk”
        Ans: Good, I like that attitude. I only hope and pray that what you say in true.
        2) You said “See directly ….anything wrong!”
        Ans: Excellent, I like that attitude too. Once again, I hope and pray what you are saying is true. This attitude, ideally, should make a person open minded. I will wait to see if you are really one.
        3) You said “See a very basic difference between Hinduism and Islam is …cow’s created by the almighty “ALLAH” and the list goes on.”
        Ans: Well, that is certainly NOT the main difference. That is just one of the differences between the 2 religions. There are other differences too. The fundamental differences between Hinduism and any other organized religions are – the concept of Karma and the concept of cycles of births and deaths in order to relieve ourselves from the bonds of Karma. Now .. what is karma? By and large, if you read commentaries by great saints, you will realize that anything that has a consequence is karma. It basically comprises of 4 factors (Read this carefully – action, inaction, thought and thoughtlessness). Frankly, I cannot think of any other factor that could possibly have a consequence in anybody’s life. Every aspect of human life is just a consequence of one’s karma (wrt the factors mentioned). It is for the living creatures to understand this (and not just believe this) and work (FREE WILL) towards liberating oneself from the bonds of karma and merge with the Supreme Consciousness (which we call God) to attain a state called Moksha which is described as a state when one has exhausted all his karmic duties and does not have to take birth anymore. Hinduism also states that God omnipresent. He pervades everything in the universe. He is present everywhere and in everyone as awareness. It is just the vasanas due to ones karma that a person associated him/herself with something perishable like the BODY. So, when a person, out of aberration, thinks he is the BODY and not the consciousness, that is when irrationality sets in and people do things that harm other life forms in the world. It will require some effort and meditation to understand this. You are most welcome to go to any Vedic ashram to understand this if you truly want. Hope you will make an attempt to understand this with an open mind.
        4) You said “I Doubt whether you’re a Hindu! …. Glorious Qur’an!”
        Ans: You are correct. I am not here to criticize any religion. I am only requesting you to think. You will just have to understand yourself out of your religion. It is certainly possible. You quoted the Vedas by saying “na tasya prathima asti”. You are right. Based on point ‘3’, how can He have an image when he pervades everything? But does it say “You do have any right to perceive Him as an image”? CERTAINLY NOT . If God pervades in to each and everything in the universe, what is wrong is perceiving Him in the form of something that he pervades? If someone is able to elevate ones consciousness by perceiving him as anything, what is wrong ?
        You also quoted Gita by saying “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures”. You are right once again. But did you care to read the next verse? Let me quote it for you. It says “According to whichever demigod representing a form of Me a particular devotee desires to worship faithfully, I, as the Supersoul dwelling within his heart, make his faith strong for the deity of his choice.” This is THE MOST beautiful verse. It says “It does not matter in which form of Mine you pray to. If you do so with FAITH, I will reaffirm your faith in that particular form of Mine”. This encompasses the humanity in its entirety. This statement is the most BEAUTIFUL and the MOST SECULAR statement one can ever come across. This is so very different from what organized religions that say “I am the ONLY way”. Let me ask you a question.
        Let me ask you a few questions. Please give honest answers.
        a) I assume you are Indian. Have you not seen Hindus and Christians who are happy, healthy, cheerful successful etc and are living life with so much vigor, helping others?
        Ans: A truthful answer would be ‘Yes’.
        b) Now please ask the question “WHY”. If ALLAH is the only true god, and if people are praying to different gods other than allah, why whould they get happiness, success, health etc?
        A typical muslim answer: Even if they pray to other Gods, it is only allah who gives them all these. They are happy only in this life. They will burn in hell fire after they die.
        Response: As a rational human being, pls see if this makes sense. Allah bestows happiness, health, success to everybody in this world eventhough they don’t pray to allah. That way, allah is putting them under a delusion that they are praying to the ‘true’ god only to burn them in hell fire after they die? I leave it to you to judge if this makes sense.
        Another typical muslim answer: Allah knows the past present and future of all his creations(Since Islam believes in predestination). He guides whom he pleases and does guide who he does not want to guide.
        Response: So allah decided to guide people whom he chooses and misguide the rest? So if allah has decided to misguide 70% of the world population, whose fault is it? Is it not allah’s? After He chose to misguide 70% of the population, why should these 70% of the folks burn in hell fire for no fault of theirs?
        Another typical muslim answer: Allah only chooses to guide them, but it is Satan who misguides them.
        Response: So we have Satan who has the power to defies allah’s will? If that is the case it is only the satan who should be punished and no the person .. right? And WHO created the satan  ? Should he also not be punished?
        When you quote from the Vedas or the Gita, I request you to please try to understand the essence before you start commenting on them.
        So by now, I assume you would have insights about the REAL differences between Hinduism and other religions. Please pursue truthfully to understand vedic essence and FEEL the change that KNOWLEDGE brings to you.
        5) You said “I got to know … VEDAS and we never shouted”
        Ans: By now, you must have understood the concept of how we can perceive God in anything. So even though I agree God cannot be an idol, there is nothing wrong in perc eiving God in anything and as anything. You gave an example of a girl getting raped. Not let me ask you a question. If a girl gets gang raped, please tell me why did it happen? Did it happen because allah willed it? Or did it happen because 4 mad men willed it.
        Typical muslim answer: Allah did not will it. It was the 4 madmen who willed it
        Response: So are you saying the will of the 4 madmen is greater than the will of allh(the creator of the universe)?
        Another muslim answer: allah willed it(sic)
        Respose: If allah can will such a dreadful act, why do you call allah merciful? Since according to islam, everything (past, present and future) is known to allah, why did he not prevent it? He need not created there 4 people. At least he could ensured that they don’t think of committing such a beastly act. But still lots of such incidents happen all around. So is ALLAH merciful? Any rational minded person would say “NO”. God is merciful. So what is wrong here? The CONCEPT of God present in quran is wrong? Don’t u think so?
        6) You said “Hindus killed muslims in Gujrat…”
        Ans: Yes, there was communal violence. It was really sad to see that innocents were killed. I am sure you know who started the violence. Am I correct? Let us not go deep in to it. The figures that you have presented is incorrect. If you read the Nanavati commission report(available online), you will see that about 900 people were killed out of which some 250 were Hindus(30%). Please don’t think I am justifying violence. I agree more Muslims were killed, but why did they instigate it in the first place? Also PLEASE BE HONEST. If this had happened in a country which had been Muslim majority, would ANYBODY from minority community have survived? In India (being truly secular), see the amount of rights muslims enjoy. Also so you know MUSLIMS in GUJRAT voted en mass for Narendra Modi in the Khatlal by elections and corporation elections? The muslims of Gujrat are voting for development now. My dear friend, only the media and congress keep this communal fire alive. “A 15 year old minor girl was gang raped” – This is not true. This statement was given by Teesta Setalvad which even the supreme court rejected.
        My dear friend, we could go on and on. If you want to understand the truth, let us all pursue it with honesty and integrity. Let rationality prevail. As Adi Sankara said “Knowledge alone liberates”. As Jiddu Krishnamurthy said “Truth is a pathless land”. You will have to think you way out of your religion. It is only OUR country that realized the concept that “It is FAITH alone that matters and not the object of worship”. This truth was realized by OUR forefathers(it includes my forefathers and YOUR forefathers as well). You may have changed your religion sometime in the past, but we are all branches of the big BANYAN TREE called Hinduism. Make a choice now. Come back to our roots, Come back to rationality. Come back to Truth. We don’t need anybody from Arabia to teach us religion. You and I should be teaching our religion to the rest of the world.
        Peace
        Aman Garg

      • Mohammed Ansari says :
        And you didn’t mention that to which GOD you’re asking to bless him as you have somewhat like more than 9 to 10 major “BHAGANBANS” including that BIRSA MUNDA!
        My Reply :
        I think u sud know little about Islam before uttering any sentence about hinduism.
        now Mohammed died saying that “there wont be any more PROPHETS” but QUADIYANIS [a large no of Muslims] strongly believe that moahmmed was not correct and infact, Mirza gulam Quadiyani was the last prophet.
        So, next time onwards in ur life when u discuss Islam, Quran and Prophet dont forget to mention that u believe in which PROPHET; i e; Quadiyani Prophet or non quadiyani prophet.
        i hope and believe that u will understand this much. thanx

      • http://www.mahabharataonline.com/translation/mahabharata_13b053.php
        “Yudhishthira said, ‘O thou of great puissance, tell me what that object is which, if dedicated to the Pitris, becomes inexhaustible! What Havi, again, (if offered) lasts for all time? What, indeed, is that which (if presented) becomes eternal?'”
        “Bhishma said, ‘Listen to me, O Yudhishthira, what those Havis are which persons conversant with the ritual of the Sraddha regard as suitable in view of the Sraddha and what the fruits are that attach to each. With sesame seeds and rice and barley and Masha and water and roots and fruits, if given at Sraddhas, the Pitris, O king, remain gratified for the period of a month. 1 Manu has said that if a Sraddha is performed with a copious measure of sesame, such Sraddha becomes inexhaustible. Of all kinds of food, sesame seeds are regarded as the best. With fishes offered at Sraddhas, the Pitris remain gratified for a period of two months. With mutton they remain gratified for three months and with the flesh of the hare for four. With the flesh of the goat, O king, they remain gratified for five months, with bacon for six months, and with the flesh of birds for seven. With venison obtained from those deer that are called Prishata, they remain gratified for eight months, and with that obtained from the Ruru for nine months, and with the meat of the Gavaya for ten months.
        p. 145
        [paragraph continues] With the meat of the buffalo their gratification lasts for eleven months. With beef presented at the Sraddha, their gratification, it is said, lasts for a full year. Payasa mixed with ghee is as much acceptable to the Pitris as beef. With the meat of the Vadhrinasa the gratification of the Pitris lasts for twelve years. 1 The flesh of the rhinoceros, offered to the Pitris on the anniversaries of the lunar days on which they died, becomes inexhaustible. The potherb called Kalasaka, the petals of the Kanchana flower, and meat of the goat also, thus offered, prove inexhaustible. 2 In this connection,…

      • Qadiyanis are also MUSLIMS…..common agniveer get some refresher course in religious studies or shut down your site

      • @Mohammad Ayub Ansari
        [You people tend to be right and the others wrong!!
        The next day another tom, dick and harry will say that I’ve done a thorough research and which is better than this one and then you people will even believe that as for now you’re believing this!]
        ha ha ha……. look whos talkin hi hi hi……. as you said the next day another tom dick and harry will say that i have done a better job than this n you will beleive it ha ha ha…… just like you believe in the final revelation of allah? do you mean that? ha ha ha…… i guess another tom ,dick and harry may write another revelation from allah n might say this is better than the previous one and thus NOW this ONE is “THE FINAL REVELATION OF ALLAH” grow up tom, dick n harry’s grow up……. final revelation ha ha ha which really means that allah was no better than Tom, dick n harry who then thought of making another revelation better than the previous one n so that became the final revelation ha ha ha….. poor tom’s n dick’ and harry’s ha ha ha……..i cant stop laughing…..hi hi hi hi……..

      • @Mohammad Ayub Ansari
        what the hell mate……its simple logic…mothers give you milk, cows give milk – you dont kill mothers, you dont kill cows…whats so difficult to understand.

      • nature gives u life n ur mother give u life… u dont kill mothers, u dont kill nature… dont eat vegtables… whatz so diffcult 2 undrstnd?

      • Dear HArd core Hindu…. your dad married your mom and you were procreated..so let your dad marry an cow and see if someone like you is born or not! It will be a great discovery for science using your very own logic!

      • @All Hindu
        Why do you believe unscientific & illogical verse of Veda?
        “Gauh Vishwasya Matraha” i.e., Cow is the mother of entire universe and we have to serve the cow in all respects.

      • @Agniveer
        Why have you made site too slow? It takes much times to publish comment. Earlier this problem was not happening. Satyagni working well.

      • @MOHAMMED = SATAN/ TS/ Agniveer/All Kaffirs/Vajra/SDC
        I know sanskrit much batter than you. If you have guts refute me. Dayanand/Moolshankar objected on the starting of Quran and said writer of Quran is human not Allah because in starting writer has said “I am starting the book with the name of Allah”. That means writer is not Allah but someone else. Look at this Very first mantra of Rigveda which proves Veda are man made. This translation from Arya Samaj not from me.
        Rigveda 1/1/1—
        “AGNIM EDE PUROHITAM YAJESYA DEVAM RITVIJAM HOTARAM RATANDHATMAM”
        First mantra of Rigveda states that we must have extreme and firm desire to realize God. AGNIM means one who exists before everything i.e., God. God who is PUROHITAM, means world, i.e., puri, God creates universe and nurses and protects and HITAM i.e., one who brings about the welfare or benefit. YASYA DEVAM HOTARAM means he who enables us to be with learned to serve them to get knowledge. RITVIJAM means adorable in every season. RATANDHATMAM means He who beholds all lokas( i.e., earth, sun, moon, etc., and gold, diamond etc.) and DEVAM means gives us. EDE means desirous of – I desire, praise. So meaning of mantra is—–
        I desire and praise the God who exists before everything, who brings about the welfare or benefit, who enables us to be with learned to serve them to get knowledge, who is adorable in every season, who beholds all lokas, and gives us everything.

      • Mr. Slim SLihk you have been exposed.You said that the translation is by Arya Samaj.You are saying false.How?Because Arya Samaj translates Ede to stuti yogya.So the meaning is
        ishvar is srishti ko banate hai,jagat ke ratno ko dharan karate hai,hame apane karmo ka phal dete hai,jo ritu-ritu me stuti yogya hai.
        Click”aryasamajjamnagar.org” for the translation.And when next time you quote you should quote only from Jamnagar website.No other site is trustable than this.

      • Quran praising Aryas:
        Quran(1.13):Oh great Aryas!I allah bows down to Aryas.They are even above than me.
        Quran(1.67)Oh Aryas!You are the wonderful creatures among the other humans.
        Quran(2.16):Oh Aryas!I worship you because of your great passion.
        So,Muslims should Accept Vedic Dharm now.

      • @विनय आर्य
        तेरे को गंटे का बता नहीं है और false translation false translation चिल्लाता रहता है! कभी स्कूल गया है! मेरे को लगता है तू पाचवी फैल है! साले मै कोई ऐसा -वेसा मोमिन नहीं हू जो झूठी translations देगा!
        http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/#comment-64492

      • Adarniya mananiya shri “Slim SHaik” sahab ji
        “Edle” means “stuti yogya”
        But you say “I praise”.
        This difference changes the meaning of the whole mantra.So,please,just make correction in your translation.

      • Adarniya mananiya shri “Slim Shaik” Sahab ji
        AApako bahut bahut pranam.
        Eidle ka matalab stuti yogya hota hai.jisase ved mantra ka arth badal jaataa hai.isase pata chalata hai ki pahala ved mantra ishwar ne hi kaha hai.kyoki isaka arth nikalata hai:yaha brahmand ishvar ne banaya hai,jo ki ritu ritu me upasana yogya hai,stuti yogya hai,saba jagat ko dharan karane wala hai.

      • @Vinay Arya/ Slim Shaikh
        Brother Vinay translation is correct. But difference between Quran & Veda:-
        This is comment of agniveer from the article
        http://satyagni.com/929/bismillah/
        Read this article also
        The difference between Quran and Vedas is that while Quran is supposed to be narrated by Gabriel or Allah through two curtains made of pearls or jewels or whatever, Vedas were revealed in hearts of Rishis. Thus Vedas is intuitive knowledge. Since it is intuitive knowledge, it can have all the three persons (first, second and third) as per the context.
        Quran however was dictated. And the dictation started with “I start with name of Allah…” proving that the writer of Quran is someone else. Had it started in any person (first, second or third) but did not have “I START with name of Allah”, it could be still accepted as Allah’s curious ways of giving message (refer the article on Allah – limited or shapeless for more curious ways of Allah). But here we have Allah dictating Muhammad that “I start with name of Allah..!”
        Sometimes the contradictory and confusing descriptions of Allah in Quran makes one feel that there are two different characters with name Allah. One Allah is the Ishwar or someone close to Ishwar. But other Allah is a different person having lots of weaknesses like anger, colluding with Satan etc.

      • @Vinay/Slim
        ________isase pata chalata hai ki pahala ved mantra ishwar ne hi kaha hai_____
        पहला ही नहीं सारे वेद मंत्र ईशवर से निकले है! कृपया इसे पढिये! ये आपकी सारी शंकाओ का समाधान करेगा
        http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/#comment-64543

      • Mananiya shri Slim Shaik Saheb ji
        Edle=stuti yogya
        This changes the meaning of complete mantra.So there is no “I” here.

      • Dear Truth Seeker
        Yes,all Ved mantras were directly emanated from the God in t he heart of the four Rishis ie Agnive,Vayu,Aditya,Angira.
        Thank you very much for the elucidation!

      • Hey Smital, its not about Tom, Dick and Hary !! Its about the truthfulness, and the facts, that can be or are proved based on the scientific facts or reasons… !! please go thru the article on why VEG and NON-VEG (only herbivorous) … go thru the article in the end (page down) dated same today… Today’s world is about science, internet is available to get every piece of information. Yesterdays vedas or todays Quran or anyother holy book u say.. should stand by the scientific facts, and not by means of what we just feel.. because we are just human beings.. we believe in what we see !! and the real creator knows the real working principles behind this !! and lets follow what we feel the best is correct !!

      • Mr. Najmuddin,
        i hope that we carry a decent and fruitful discussion.
        u said :-
        “Hey Smital, its not about Tom, Dick and Hary !! Its about the truthfulness, and the facts, that can be or are proved based on the scientific facts or reasons… !!”
        If v talk about science than why to limit application of science of Veg / no veg and why not to take it to the next level of judging the correctness of Quran / Vedas etc etc.
        If u agree than tell me :-
        1. Can u prove by science that Mohammed flew “AL- burqua” 1400 years back ?
        2. Can u prove by science that stone ran away with the clothes of Soloman ?
        3. Can u prove by science that Mohammed divided moon into two parts while he was running for his life from his enemies and had migrated to MECCA ?
        4. Can u prove by science that how Mohammed’s saliva, spit, urine had magical powers of healing people ?
        5. if yes, than why he couldnt save his only son from death and why didnt allah save his son.
        Dear Najmuddin, u can not be choosy in application of science to suit ur convenience.
        Hope, u give a logical answer.

      • Khurshid, Tahrir al-wasilah is a result of a lot of research in this regard. Kindly go through it to understand more.

      • Dear mohammed ansari
        people like u have no answers to the article. i think it is beyond ur reach to understand the article. This is not new research but correct english translation of vedic scriptures.
        as far as research is concerned that is the EXPERTISE of islam. Islamic Allha is in habit of sending improvised versions of QURAN from to time that too without conducting any research. Vedic god is not like Islamic Allah and he is perfect.
        Ur inability to give any useful comments on the article further prove that u, urself r a ‘ TOM, DICK AND HARRY”.
        This being an intelligent article, u r not EXPECTED to offer any valuable comment but at least u can make a feeble effort.
        Better luck next time.

      • You are very shallow….if you have time to find fault in other religions it is because you see that fault in your own. This life is a mirror…what you see outside is a reflection of what is in you. SO please take this time to quiet your mind and look within

      • Fools like you will always speak out like this.
        The fact is that – A Donkey never gets the taste of Sugar.
        Fate of you people is like the Donkey.

      • The mullas whining on this page, can you please clarify why your so called self-proclaimed Prophet Mohammed used to THIGH a 6 year old girl Ayesha and then HAVE SEX with her when she was 9?
        You guys would go ahead and justify it rather than reject it, but you feel all the good things in the world are false just because they don’t belong to Islam. You mulla pigs are useless parasites.

      • Ok.. It means you understands everything and knows everything about other religion..great ! If you know nothing.. then should keep mouth shut !

    • Thank you for your accurate account of the Vedas on this topic. Please keep up the great work. I ‘ve read some great misinterpretations of our Vedas.

  2. Let me tell you . All of you guys are giving arguments without any solid proof. Vedic religon was full of voilence and sacrifice. It was created to fullfill the lust of few manipulators called Brahmins who could not do any hard work and have not much intelligence and will to do any productive work.
    So they started fraud and created vedas.

    • i cnt understand if peoples are unaware then why do they say anything. you must know that when the caste system was made the most intelligent ones were given the caste of brahmin, and it was not a group of manipulators, they were the one who made rules and following which the aryas became one of the successful societies in ancient time. every king in india had one brahmin, who use to guide them, if they were not intelligent how come every one believed so much on them. some of the most intelligent ones like aryabhatta, chanakya, dronacharya, sapt rishi and many more every one was brahmin. even the person who predicted that gautam will become mahatma buddha was also a brahmin. if he was also a useless fellow how did he came to know about that.

      • @Nikhil & Other Kaffirs
        You are making issue over a small thing to humiliate me. Brother, I am not a momin who can be defeated by you. I am not Allah Miya or prophet Mohamad who can not do mistakes.

      • @Friends
        assalamualaikum
        If you cut the animals in Islamic way then no sin will accrue on you. AS it is a scientific way of cutting the animals. Almighty Allah himself taught this way to us through holy Quran. Allah has given us all these species of animals, flora n fauna so that we can consume them & get energy to worship him (Allah) lord of All. If someone do not eat meat he can not worship Allah in a batter way. I think everyone should consume meat. It will be the right use/respect of Allah’s mercy by which we have got so much species on earth to consume them. If anybody do not respect this & follow one’s own man made way deserve for punishment by Allah. It anybody objects on meat eating that means he has objected on Prophet Mohamad (PBUH) because prophet himself ordered/sanctioned us to consume meat & he himself consumed meat to guide us.

      • @ Slim shaikh..
        Why there will be no sin on me if i cut an animal in an islamic way?? and what is the islamic way btw? what is so scientific about it? what kind of strength is required to “Worship”Allah?? what kind of worship is it what requires strength from meat eating?? Zakir naik says one can be a Vegetarian and still be a good muslim! so according you you Zakir is wrong??

      • @Atman / Agniveer
        ______Zakir naik says one can be a Vegetarian and still be a good muslim! so according you you Zakir is wrong??___________
        Zakir Ji is correct. But if you make objection for meat eating that means you have objected on Prophet (PBUH) & Allah teaching. Allah allowed us to eat meat in holy Quran & prophet also consumed meat. So, I mean to say Agniveer objection for meat eating is Kufra & Agniveer is preaching against Holy Quran. Agniveer deserve to be punished in Islamic court.
        http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/#comment-63421

      • @slim shaikh:
        Namaste brother.. you said “Zakir Ji is correct. But if you make objection for meat eating that means you have objected on Prophet (PBUH) & Allah teaching.”
        Well Brother.. if a Muslim doesnt eat meat thinking that Meat eating is not Good or that it is IMMORAL that means .. he is making something “Haram” which allah has made “Halal” 🙁 so that means he is going against allah and mohammad any which way… even if it is for himself!… for eg. APJ Abul kalam.. he is a Vegetarian 🙁 ..
        And you did not answer… What kind of strength is required to worship Allah that has to be obtained by eating Animals??.. and Why cutting animal in an “Islamic” way is Scientific?? How cutting an animal to eat its flesh can be scientific??

      • @Atman
        assalamualaikum Brother
        _________Namaste brother____________
        Firstly, Do not use word “Namaste” to greet Muslims. It is Kufra. You can say assalamualaikum.
        _________if a Muslim doesnt eat meat thinking that Meat eating is not Good or that it is IMMORAL that means—————–
        He/She is doing kufra. Like if you do not like to eat apple, no Problem but if you objects for apple eating by others that means you are wrong. If you do not like apple it is your personal matter.
        ________so that means he is going against allah and mohammad any which way… even if it is for himself!… for eg. APJ Abul kalam.. he is a Vegetarian————
        If he objects for meat eating. He acts against Islam.
        __________What kind of strength is required to worship Allah__________
        Meat makes body strong. Mind gets sharp by meat eating. Having Good mind & body is compulsory to worship Allah attentively or with concentration.
        _______and Why cutting animal in an “Islamic” way is Scientific__________
        How can you object on Allah & Prophet teaching. Do you have no faith in Allah’s words?

      • @Slim Shaikh
        Namaste Brother..
        ____Firstly, Do not use word “Namaste” to greet Muslims. It is Kufra. You can say assalamualaikum.______
        Firstly Just saying Namaste is no Kufra son! It is the most humble & warm way of greeting a Human being. and why allah is allergic to such minor things?? there are other things to worry about.. I am not abusing you by saying namaste!!
        _____He/She is doing kufra. Like if you do not like to eat apple, no Problem but if you objects for apple eating by others that means you are wrong. If you do not like apple it is your personal matter.____
        If I DONT like what allah has made Halal then is it not kufra, even if its personal. are you sure?? so APJ Abdul kalam who doesnt like meat and feels its immoral to eat is doing kufra??…so where the great man will go hell or heaven??
        _______Meat makes body strong. Mind gets sharp by meat eating. Having Good mind & body is compulsory to worship Allah attentively or with concentration_____
        hmmm! so eating meat makes mind sharp, somehow Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientists, doesnt agree to this!.. how stupid he is!!
        ______How can you object on Allah & Prophet teaching. Do you have no faith in Allah’s words?______
        I can object because they are utter nonsense!.. you tell me how can you and why do you accept such teaching?? what’s the basis of your belief?.. and I dont have faith in Allah.. i have faith only in things that make sense. Period. Now you tell me.. they say Allah had sent some 124000 prophets & books before Muhammad :D.. and all of them were corrupted by Humans so this time Allah sent a Final Prophet and a Book which he promised to protect!.. It took Allah 124000 Mistakes to learn!!! :(.. he is even slower than a child with Cerebral Palsy 🙁

  3. Hindu religon is full of contradictions . People worship Devis and burn their daughter -in-laws, they kill girl child and but do navratra pujas .
    They say we are against nudity and sex but they worship linga and do tantra activities.
    Action shows the reality not the manipulated words and sentences.
    If you all guys are really interested in makeing revival of Hindusism pls stop praseing hindusism and start promoteing Buddhism . Because of Buddhism India is known all over the world and seen with respect. Because of hindusim everywhere people are suffering

    • hey cms, your all allegations are foul. you must know that there is no nudity in hinduism. you said we offer prayer to linga, but you must know that linga to which we pray is a vedic word and it means the symbol of the supreme god, and not what you are thinking in nude sense. even in tantra activity there is no sexuality, but some kukarmi started it to fulfill there sexual desires and said it is a tantra activity. and even mahatma buddha was a hindu and he was never against hindus. give me one example in which country hindus are seen with insult.

    • Fool Linga is not what ur interpreting in a language u know.Lingam in sanskrit means an endless infinite pwer (Shiva).Linga doesn’t mean a sex organ.Sex organ in sanskrit is “Shashnam”.Things are to be read in Sanskrit not in a language u speak everyday.U ignorant fool.Vedas never asked ppl to kill women, never asked women to be subjugated.PPl did it and they r wrong.
      Why blme religion for it.

    • LINGAM IS NOT PHALLIC SYMBOL that is clearly mentioned in the LINGA PURANA AND SKANDA PURANA.
      he Lingam Purana states:
      प्रधानं प्रकृतिर यदाहुर्लिगंउत्तम ।
      गंध-वर्ण-रसहिंनं शब्द-स्पर्शादिवर्जितं ॥
      meaning:
      the foremost Lingam which is devoid of colour, taste, hearing, touch etc is spoken of as Prakriti or nature.
      The nature itself is a Lingam (or symbol) of Shiva. When we see nature, we infer the presence of its creator – Shiva. Shiva Lingam is the mark of Shiva the creator, Shiva the sustainer and Shiva the destructor. It also dispels another myth in which Shiva is considered only as a destructor.
      Another authentic reference comes from Skanda Purana where lingam is clearly indicated as the supreme Shiva from where the whole universe is created and where it finally submerge.
      आकाशं लिंगमित्याहु: पृथ्वी तस्य पीठिका।
      आलय: सर्व देवानां लयनार्लिंगमुच्यते ॥
      (स्कन्द पुराण)
      meaning
      The endless sky (that great void which contains the entire universe) is the Linga, the Earth is its base. At the end of time the entire universe and all the Gods finally emerge in the Linga itself.
      Now this should clarify the settle the doubts once and forever.

    • @ cms
      every religion evolves. there are many ill-actions that have been eradicated in Hinduism. Sati, women rights, women position & stake in society has improved.
      Can you name a few from your religion?

    • as you may know dont judge the car with its driver… ya we believe in devi… but do you think being a hindu we support killing daughter in laws??? i think these type of events are beyond religion. this is mentality of human being. you can find these type of behavior even in muslims. being a doctor, i have seen lots of burn patients from both communities.
      one more thing, hindus are never against sex. we have Kamsutra, which gives you many information about healthy sex. it is against perversion, it is against sexual malpractice. without sex how can you expect that you could have born?? sex, which is worship in Hinduism is a healthy sexual practice. so first clear your concept then try to prove one wrong.

  4. Great yaar, You made some really good points. I myself a Hindu Brahmin but most of the people have distorted the actual form of religion and always pointing that Brahmins were cruel and bad.
    I am a brahmin, teetotaler and vegetarian by birth. Nobody in my family stops me from being non-vegetarian of drinking liquor but i just follow my heart.
    Most of the people are unaware that we become Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Sudra by our duties not by other surname.
    A sudra who really cares about religion and is a great human being is brahmin but a brahmin who is full of sins is a sudra.
    For example: Agastya Rishi and Shabri were sudra but were given and treated with high regards while Ravana was a brahmin but Still Lord Rama killed him because his deeds were not of brahmin.
    Hope people understand this simple thing..

    • People definitely understand. After all it is quite logical, intuitive and rational, apart from being vetted by Shastras. However false ego and perverted priorities make them pretend as if they do not understand.

      • dear brother agniveer,m a brahmin from ayodhya currently residing in usa.i do eat seafood and chicken and pork.i consume alchohal on some occasions,but i condemn cow slaughtering or eating beef.i dont worship any particular hindu deiti but worship asupreme power.so am i deviated from a path of hinduism?

      • Dear Deepesh Mishra,
        I am a Cannibal from(it doesn’t matter). I eat all kinds of flesh mostly of Humans. I too dont worship any particular Hindu deity but worship a supreme power. So am i deviated from a path of hinduism?

      • Listen brother dont go judgin all the way ,i served in indian army for 6 years ,thus servin my country and hinduism.i have also worked for red cross.i asked guidance from the agniveer dude coz he seemed to have a depth in hinduism. Cannibal piece of crap

      • —Listen brother dont go judgin all the way —
        I am not judging anything.
        — served in indian army for 6 years ,thus servin my country and hinduism. i have also worked for red cross.—
        Appreciate, but what its got to do with eating meat?
        —i asked guidance from the agniveer dude coz he seemed to have a depth in hinduism.—
        If you believe that he has immense knowledge you might be knowing his/vedic stance on Animal rights? do you?
        —Cannibal piece of crap—
        hmm, it seems i striked the right chord? Why do you got irritated? What’s the difference between eating an animal’s flesh or eating a human’s flesh?

      • You must not eat meats, more better to say any sort of rajas or tamas food because it is forbidden in our all books because it creates passion and darkness in our mind, where passion and darkness are rajas and tamas. And for drinking, it is both rajas and tamas and Garuda Purana states that “he who consumes alcohol and makes others to the same, is bound to drink fire (lava) in hell.

      • You are not working as a priest though Brahmin, so I would not necessarily expect you to be a vegetarian in your current profession. There are Hindus who eat meat other than beef. Beef Hindus avoid even those who eat meat avoid beef in the same way Jews and Muslims do not eat pork. Not all Hindu jatis abstain from meat. There has always been a dietary range. You are within the Hindu diaspora. There are many Hindus (non-priest profession) who eat fish, chicken and lamb who are very devout, pray every day, devoted to God, etc…

  5. The person who posted against brahmin and says support Buddhism is a Dalit fool who has been raised with venom against brahmins.They belong to Ambedkar sect and little do they know that Babasaheb Rao Ambedkar himself adopted a brahmin surname "Ambedkar" when one Marathi brahmin by name "Ambedkar" helped him in every way and fed him.These ungrateful people are real vermins in India and Vedic warriors like Agniveer should quell their evil.

  7. Dear Agni, as much as I was relief to read your article on 'no' animal sacrifices in the vedas, i have questions which i hope you can enlighten me. My knowledge is not that good so please pardon my ignorance.
    Am i right to say that the vedas was revealed to many Rishis from all over and the message received was the same? I learnt that about 420 rishis heard 'God's' words (vibrations). That is why hindus took the vedas as the final scripture because it was consistent and true?
    I had asked a scholar the question on animal sacrifice in the vedas and his reply was the following;
    "The vedas was revealed to not one but a few hundred 'rishis' or scholars. So how can these few hundred scholars unanimously state the same thing if it wasn't the truth? The information was consistent from all over. Which indicates that yes animal sacrifice is permitted in the vedas provided on how the ritual was carried on. There is even the mantras to chant to relieve the animal from it's state to a better birth after it's death.
    If it was just revealed to one man, then we can assume that his lineage had probably misinterpreted it wrongly.
    But the fact that few hundred scholars received the same message, so how do we deny that animal sacrifice is not stated in the vedas? Wasn't it documented later but practised earlier on?
    How did the Ashvamedha sacrifice happen in Ramayana?
    Did they got it all wrong too?
    I know the oldest veda is the Rig Veda. How many Rishis actually came up with the Yajur veda, especially on the animal sacrifice bit?
    Please advise. Would really want to have your views on it. It would be really helpful to my fellow friends who are faithfully holding on to knowledge passed on. I guess in religion, logic does not play a part in it.

    • Dear Raveena,
      Am glad that you have such curiosity about Vedas. Here are brief answers to your questions (for further details, kindly mail me at [email protected])
      1. As per evidence from Shatpath Brahman and Manu Smriti, the 4 Vedas were initially revealed to 4 Rishis – Agni, Vayu, Aditya and Angira. Each Rishi received revelation of 1 Ved each. These Rishis then transmitted this knowledge to other Rishis. These Rishis then devised a method of Path so that even till this date Vedas are available in exactly same form as during inception of civilization. To know more on this, please read: <a href="http://www.satyavidya.org/must-read/unchangeable-…” target=”_blank”>http://www.satyavidya.org/must-read/unchangeable-…
      2. No mantra in Vedas refer to any form of animal sacrifice. All those mantras which are alleged to have animal sacrifice, can be easily proved to mean something else, if we look at context and root meanings of the words, as used in ancient texts of grammar and vocabulary. Many of these come from misinterpretation from translations of Sayana and Mahidhar who were born in around 15th century. These translations were then publicized by western indologists. But if you look at ancient translations, and references in other books like Shatpath, Nirukta, Nighantu etc, one can easily understand the truth.
      3. Please read my post, Ashwamedha means efforts to make nation better and has nothing to do with horse.
      4. The Ramayan we get today is a much interpolated text. Many verses have been added later on and that can be checked with a close scrutiny. In fact, except Vedas, there are hardly an texts which can be claimed to be available in same original form, thanks to thousand years of darkness, misrule and foreign invasions. So Ramayana and Mahabharat are not to be considered final authority in matters of Dharma. The Uttar Ramayan, which contains the reference to Ashwamedha, can be proved to be a later addition by even a layman.
      That is why I specifically focused only on Vedas. My challenge is open to everyone – cite me one single mantra from Vedas that justify animal-killing. Most people merely give a set of english translations from Griffith or Max Muller. But that is not sufficient. Let us instead check out each word of mantra and find out the logical meaning, instead of assuming that any translator of Vedas is a Rishi.

      • Pranam Agniveer JI,
        First of all thankful greetings about enlightening people on Vedas and clearing doubts on Vedic Scriptures.
        This is regarding Animal Sacrifice it is very much correct as per Srimad Bhagvatam, According to Srimad Bhagvatam animal Sacrifice was meant to check up the sacrifice is going correct or not and animals use to sacrifice immdiately they promoted to heavenly planets or new body but it was helping and promote them for higher life. But not for eating or any selfish manner. But all this was happening for welfare of citizne so that they get regular supply from responsible demigods.
        There are so many instance Prithu Maharaj or Yudhistir Maharaj and so many.
        But it was allowed only for certain yugas but not for Kalyuga because to perform all this yagna to require great qualification.

    • Dear Raveena, Am glad that you have such curiosity about Vedas. Here are brief answers to your questions (for further details, kindly mail me at [email protected]) 1. As per evidence from Shatpath Brahman and Manu Smriti, the 4 Vedas were initially revealed to 4 Rishis – Agni, Vayu, Aditya and Angira. Each Rishi received revelation of 1 Ved each. These Rishis then transmitted this knowledge to other Rishis. These Rishis then devised a method of Path so that even till this date Vedas are available in exactly same form as during inception of civilization. To know more on this, please read: http://www.satyavidya.org/must-read/unchangeable-… 2. No mantra in Vedas refer to any form of animal sacrifice. All those mantras which are alleged to have animal sacrifice, can be easily proved to mean something else, if we look at context and root meanings of the words, as used in ancient texts of grammar and vocabulary. Many of these come from misinterpretation from translations of Sayana and Mahidhar who were born in around 15th century. These translations were then publicized by western indologists. But if you look at ancient translations, and references in other books like Shatpath, Nirukta, Nighantu etc, one can easily understand the truth. 3. Please read my post, Ashwamedha means efforts to make nation better and has nothing to do with horse. 4. The Ramayan we get today is a much interpolated text. Many verses have been added later on and that can be checked with a close scrutiny. In fact, except Vedas, there are hardly an texts which can be claimed to be available in same original form, thanks to thousand years of darkness, misrule and foreign invasions. So Ramayana and Mahabharat are not to be considered final authority in matters of Dharma. The Uttar Ramayan, which contains the reference to Ashwamedha, can be proved to be a later addition by even a layman. That is why I specifically focused only on Vedas. My challenge is open to everyone – cite me one single mantra from Vedas that justify animal-killing. Most people merely give a set of english translations from Griffith or Max Muller. But that is not sufficient. Let us instead check out each word of mantra and find out the logical meaning, instead of assuming that any translator of Vedas is a Rishi.

      • Thank you so much Agni. Your information is very enlightening. I can't understand why people are still holding on to such myth and claim that those who oppose their view are considered the 'new age' hindus. I am glad that there are scholars like you who are revealing the truth to the public. I am glad that you are on facebook. At least your messages can reach far and wide about the myth of the vedas. God Bless!

  10. Hi Agniveer,
    I feel offended on talks about hinduism by Dr.Zakir Naik in youtube. I couldn't find any rebuttals on his claims in youtube. Is it possible to load rebuttal clips on youtube base on his talk. This will help us to see what the vedas actually means from the point of a practitioner.

  11. Rigveda, Manusmiriti sanction beef-eating
    A recent photograph of some Hindu protesters demanding a ban on non-vegetarian food in restaurants and government canteens in India made me sit up and take notice. I believe that these protesters are ignorant of what their religion preaches. They are simply going against their own religious scriptures.
    Most of the world religions sanctify offering of animals in sacrifice including Hinduism. Hindu scriptures are witnesses to such sacrifices and killings of animals for consumption. References of such commands are replete in Hindu scriptures like Manusmriti, Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmins, Grihsutras, Dharmasutras and others.
    This column would not suffice for quoting all such references but a few from different scriptures are imperative to bring home the point and clear the misconceptions:
    Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”
    Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.
    Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.”
    Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”
    Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
    Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
    Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.”
    Also, comments of some great scholars of Hinduism are also worth noting:
    • Hinduism’s greatest propagator Swami Vivekanand said thus: “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”. (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanand, vol.3, p. 536).
    • Mukandilal writes in his book ‘Cow Slaughter – Horns of a Dilemma’, page 18: “In ancient India, cow-slaughter was considered auspicious on the occasions of some ceremonies. Bride and groom used to sit on the hide of a red ox in front of the ‘Vedi’ (alter).”
    • A renowned scholar of scriptures Dr. Pandurang Vaman Kane says, “Bajsancyi Samhita sanctifies beef-eating because of its purity”. (Dharmashastra Vichar Marathi, page 180)
    • Adi Shankaracharya’ commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : ‘Odan’ (rice) mixed with meat is called ‘Mansodan’. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers ‘Uksha’. ‘Uksha’ is used for an ox, which is capable to produce semen.
    • The book ‘The History and Culture of the Indian People’, published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Bombay and edited by renowned historian R.C.Majumdar (Vol.2, page 578) says: “this is said in the Mahabharat that King Rantidev used to kill two thousand other animals in addition to two thousand cows daily in order to give their meat in charity”.
    It seems a great majority of the followers of Hinduism are not in contact with their religious scriptures thus falling an easy prey to the fascist forces like the Sangh Parivar who have nothing to offer to the Indian society save hatred. And all Indians know where these hatred-mongers are taking India to?
    ¯ Avtar Gill
    [email protected]

    • Dear Friend, You are in fools paradise. Proof from ManuSmriti is already provided in the article. Proofs from Vedas also are there. You are quoting either from translations of western indologists or interpolated shlokas of Smriti and other texts. Perhaps you are copy-pasting from some Dr Naik site. We shall reply to this nonsense soon in future. Meanwhile you can read 4 Vedas with translations at <a href="http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/” target=”_blank”>http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/
      Further, Maansa means pulp and not necessarily meat. Aamra Mansam means pulp of mango. Or do you think Mango is a meat?
      The Rantidev story is completely misinterpreted. The final authority in Dharma is 4 Vedas. And as proved in article, there is punishment upto death for those killing cow!

      • Mr. Anand go to http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_3/vol_3_frame.htm ——>’Lectures from Colombo to Almora’—->’Reply to the Address of Welcome at Madura’ there u will find Mr. Vivekananda’s comments on beef eating.
        “There was a time in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin could remain a Brahmin; you read in the Vedas how, when a Sannyasin, a king, or a great man came into a house, the best bullock was killed “-Vivekananda

      • Swami Vivekananda did not knew much about Vedas. Actually, during his time, Max Muller was considered base. So, Vivekananda was moved by his works. Since, he was under favour of Western indologists, he thought Vedas to be beef supporter. Vivekananda was actual supporter of Upanishads. By Vedic teaching, he meant Upanishads. He did not quote from 4 Veda Samhitas but quoted from many Upanishads though; which he called Vedanta. In one of his books, he mentions Anta means ultimate. Vedanta is ultimate book of Vedas. He repeatedly says Upanishads much superior to Vedas. He gave credits to 4 fundamental Advaita statements: तत्त्वमसि, सर्व खल्विदं ब्रह्म, अयं आत्मा ब्रह्म, प्रज्ञानं ब्रह्म। He misinterpretted Upanishads as Vedas many times which is clearly seen. Why only Vivekanand, works of Shankaracharya and Manu Smriti too were interpolated to indicate beef. Nevertheless, Vedas do not promote beef eating. Those who think that Vedas promote beef does not know the truth.

      • Vedas seem generic bcoz many people quote Shlokas from some other book and call them Vedic.
        Example: ISKON & Brahmakumaris are 2 brands in India. They both refer some other books and conclude that as Vedic teaching. There is a video by Prabhupaad (who arrogantly calls himself BhaktiVedanta Swami) & his followers who say that Vedas promote geocentric views. They even show scientists proving – Sun moves around earth; quote Shlokas (which they called Vedic) to prove that eclipses r formed by some Rahu demon. Interestingly, these Shlokas are from Bhagwat Puran NOT from Vedas. They quoted another Shloka and showed its resemblance with geography – that was Mahabharata. I don’t know what has Mahabharata and Bhagwat Puran to do with Vedic Shlokas. They add that modern science won’t match with Vedas bcoz Vedas were written 3000 year ago & modern science is recent evolved. Only Puranas were written 3000 years ago NOT Vedas. The video is on youtube. You can see that. Brahmakumaris (who arrogantly call themselves Prajaapita) quote from Linga Puran and say – GOD is phallus. They say – this is Vedic view. Then they quote from Bible and Quran concluding GOD resides in sky. They even said – Vedas agree with this. There are many such jokers. These 2 did gr8 job by spreading Indian culture to rest of the world though but many things said by them are Non Vedic.

    • There are many who specialise in distorting Hindu scriptures. Many muslims, Christians and anti-Hindus fill the web with their lies. You quote yajnavalkya but the passage clearly says cows etc should not be kiiled eaten etc!! Yajnavalkya says the opposite, why? That is the question. Not that it is allowed!
      Many other verses you quote are distorted too. Manu and other smirithis forbid killing animals to eat but as part of yajna (worship only) if offered it tis wrong to refuse to eat. That is not to fill the stomah for hunger! That is forbidden. There is a difference between yajna offering and killing for dinner! Usually people do not follow this big difference and write books ignorantly!
      Hindus scriptures forbid killing for hunger if one wants to follow a higher satvic life. Eating animals carries demerit for all except in yajna offerings. Even that is not done nowadays!

      • @Madhu
        namaste sister,
        sister, I disagree with u partly there, u said animal killing is forbidden for eating, that is true, but u said animal killing is allowed for yajna, that is false. Under any circumstances, Vedas calls for compassion on all animals, so u cannot kill any animal regardless for food or yajna sacrifice.

      • @Madhu
        Sister, give proofs from Vedas in your support. And if you want to sacrifice, why dont you kill your own son/daughter or yourself? When eating flesh leads human to lower Tamasik states, then how can such a Tamasik food be offered in Yajna?

      • Namaste Brother Om Jai Jagdish
        They are those who learn their history from the Griffiths and Mullers, and who prefer to call their ancestors as looters, rapists, and invaders (Aryan Invasion). In fact they like to hate everything belonging to their culture and sometimes refuse to accept the existence of their own ancestors (Ram and Krishna). This way, you have rightly answered yourself that they are …. who dont want to be called as legitimate!

      • @Madhu
        One of the synonyms of Yajna as in Nirukta is Adhwara – Dhwara means an act involving Himsa. Adhwara means an act without any Himsa. Adhwara has been used in all the 4 Vedas several times. So Yajna should be free from any violence as per Vedas. Sister, we have already degraded our beautiful Dharm to the lowest level due to our ignorance. Lets now lift it up rather than sticking to these foolish and barbaric customs.

      • @Arya
        thanks brother Arya, lets all continue to educate each other, and hopefully we will be able to enlighten the world with the light of the Vedas.

      • @Vik
        Namaste brother,
        Brother, this is all wisdom of Rishis, nothing from my side. Agniveerji has cleared many such doubts of our minds. So all credit goes to him.
        By the way, dont you think we all should be in touch with each other 24X7. We all- Vik, SDC, Aman, Jagdish, Satya Sanatan, Vande Matram, Proud Kafir, RH, Siva, Anand, Dharma, Arya, and all such brothers, who are active here to defend Vedic Dharm, can contact Agniveerji through email and help him turn this one man show into a full fledged movement.

      • @Arya
        Namaste Brother;
        Sure, this would be an excellent idea, we should all defend our holy Vedas against threats of evil cults. I am surely with you on this one.

    • Dear really you need to read scritpures carefully.
      According to Bhagvatam Rantidev was not taking his meal before feed to anyone. In one pastime he was about to die but he was ready to offer his food (Offered Veg Food) to Candala (Dog eater). He was great devotee of Lord and where you saying that he was offering meat of cow to everyone.
      See Sanskrit word have lots of meaning and you should follow proper teacher who guide you well!
      Like if you are studying 1 st standared and want to understand 10th Subject you have to wait for your turn with proper teacher.
      Again those who are writing are fools and hypocrite and don’t understand the meaning of sastra. because of this Lord Budhha appeared and stop all this misconception of killing animals.

  12. Great Articles from Agniveer.
    I have seen people commenting in abusive language without identifying themselves. Isn't that enough to understand their class!
    Carry on Agniveer, Godspeed!

  14. Hi Agniveer,
    I have read most of your posts and started reading satyartha prakash.
    But I have one doubt.
    It is stated that Vedas are apourusheya(not created by man)!! Then the question is who created Vedas???
    In his writings Dr.Ambedkar has stated that there are multiple answers available as to who created Vedas(somewhere its stated as Agni, somewhere Skhamba, in Satapatha Brahmana its prajapathi, in Vedas its Indra who created Vedas!!!).. I am very much confused!!!
    The link for Ambedkars Riddle(2-6) is:
    http://www.ambedkar.org/riddleinhinduism/21A1.Rid…
    Can you please answer this riddle????

    • No discussion on Vedic knowledge is complete without reference to Bhagvad-gita and Srimad-bhagvatam. While Bhagvad-gita was spoken by Lord Krsna on the battlefield of Kurukshetra and Srimad-bhagvtam was compiled by Vyasadev about 5000 years ago. The source of Vedas and purpose of Vedas is mentioned in these scriptures. The first verse of Srimad-bhagvatam states the origin of Vedic knowledge as reproduced below:

      • O my Lord, Sri Krsna, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Sri Krsna because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmäjé, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Sri Krsna, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth – Srimad Bhagvatam 1.1.1

    • Namaste
      I would try to answer the confusions presented by Dr Ambedkar in a subsequent post. But in summary, his views are based on shallow writings of western indologists coupled with a general hatred towards a caste-dominated society. Dr Ambedkar had his political stand based on hatred against Brahmins and thus at times he deliberated ignored to highlight the fact that birth-based caste discrimination is a recent distortion and not as per original Vedic teachings. Thus it served his purpose to cast unnecessary doubts on origin of Vedas. But fact is that Vedas are the only texts available without distortions and predating every other literature.

    • Dear brother, namaste
      According to Vedas themselves, the knowledge, which Eeshvar possesses is vedas. In the starting of a new Srishti (universe), Eeshvar enlightens the souls of some purest of the people with his knowledge. These enlightened souls are the first rishis which propagate this knowledge further. According to Brahman granthas, Manusmriti, and Swami Dayanand, the four rishis in the starting of this present universe were-Agni, Vayu, Aditya, and Angira. Thus these four rishis were receiver and propagator of Vedas but not the creator.
      As far as the question of creation of Vedas is concerned, it is clear that Vedas are nitya (eternal), and have not been created by anyone. But of course it is a property of Eeshvar. As there is no starting or creation of Eeshvar, there is no starting or creation of Vedas. In the words of Vedic Philosophy, Knowledge is a Guna (property) and Eeshvar is its Guni(the one which owns the property). Hence Eeshvar along with his property Knowledge(Vedas) is eternal. However some places we find Eeshvar as the creator of Vedas, is only from soul's point of view. Because in our frame of reference it seems that Vedas are created in the beginning of universe. But it is actually the enlightenment of Vedas for us and not the creation.
      As you said you have started reading Satyarth Prakash, then you must be knowing that Agni, Indra, Prajapati, etc have also been used for Eeshvar and hence there is no contradiction.
      Hope it will help you get out of the confusion brother.

  15. With regard to consumption of meat following is mentioned in the Bhagavad-gita:
    Even the food each person prefers is of three kinds, according to the three modes of material nature. The same is true of sacrifices, austerities and charity. Now hear of the distinctions between them.
    Foods dear to those in the mode of goodness increase the duration of life, purify one’s existence and give strength, health, happiness and satisfaction. Such foods are juicy, fatty, wholesome, and pleasing to the heart.
    Foods that are too bitter, too sour, salty, hot, pungent, dry and burning are dear to those in the mode of passion. Such foods cause distress, misery and disease.
    Food prepared more than three hours before being eaten, food that is tasteless, decomposed and putrid, and food consisting of remnants and untouchable things is dear to those in the mode of darkness.Bhagvad-gita 17-7-10
    Since the Vedic knowledge is holistic in nature it caters to the requirement of all the human beings governed by the three modes of material nature – goodness, passion and ignorance.

  16. You write "the Vedas – contain all the inhuman elements like denigration of women, meat-eating, polygamy, casteism and above all – beef eating."
    This seems to say that beef eating is worse than the denigration of women. I know beef eating is terrible but we shouldn't try yo make it look as though cows are more important than women. The subjugation of women in any society is a terrible crime and insinuating that beef eating is worse does not come across well to many people.

    • Dear Sister, Refer to the article on Women in Vedas. As per Vedas, women are in fact more important than men in society.
      The purpose of my sentence was not with reference to comparison between the various inhuman elements. Instead, the purpose of sentence is elaborated a pare below – that 'no-beef' is a unique characteristic of Hindu/ vedic dharma. Thus attacking this characteristic strikes strongest blow to identity of a Hindu. I am referring to intent of those who create such mispropaganda.
      Coming to your point on women and cow, let me make very clear – Vedas regard Cow as animal, and not a divine representation. The reason Vedas prohibit cow slaughter is out of compassion for all living beings. The reason why specific focus is put on cow is its health, economic and environmental value that is unmatched.
      As for women, Vedas consider them more important than every other living creature on earth. Because human is the best creation and women are better among humans. The reason for this is not a bias towards women, but based on facts – that women sustain the society and create legends out of ordinary humans. Women are first teachers and women exhibit highest levels of tolerance that is so critical for survival of civilization. A society where women are educated becomes strong. A women where women are uneducated becomes barbaric. If all men die suddenly, still society would survive because many women would have children in their wombs. If all women die suddenly, the world would perish.
      Thus a Veda follower can no way even imagine subjugation of women or considering them lower than anything in world.
      The limited point of my words in article was that beef-eating is most important differentiator for contemporary Hindus and hence antagonists try to prove beef in Vedas among other bad things.

  18. @CMS…
    You said: "They say we are against nudity and sex but they worship linga and do tantra activities. …
    pls stop praseing hindusism and start promoteing Buddhism . …"
    I guess you are thinking that buddhism is full of good things and even Ambedkar when talking about buddhism only considers good part of Buddhism , but while talking about Hinduism he refers to unauthentic books like tantras , upapuranas..etc..
    Now please do some research on Vajrayana Buddhism…
    Many buddhists(vajrayana) are claiming that Tantra started from Buddhism.. If that is true then
    what all you talk on hinduism considering Tantra is the fault of buddhists..
    It means that these buddhists are the culprits who brought all these…
    The vajrayana(Buddhism) includes the consumption of meat and alchohol, and ‘sexuality’
    http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art20763.asp.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra_techniques_(V…

  20. You say that In Vedic ritual of Ashvamedha yagna, Horses were not sacrified ..
    But dr. Shekar in the below link has provided full details about the whole rituals which take place during the Ashwamedha Yagna..and how dogs and horses were offered in the yagna..
    Its a shame that we dont accept our ancestors faults..
    http://dmrsekhar.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/as…

  21. Hi All,
    Agniveer says In Vedic ritual of Ashvamedha yagna, Horses were not sacrified ..
    But dr. Shekar in the below link has provided full details about the whole rituals which take place during the Ashwamedha Yagna..and how dogs and horses were offered in th yagna..
    Its a shame that we dont accept our ancestors faults..
    http://dmrsekhar.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/as…
    –Madhu (Speak the truth,even if it hurts)

    • @Slave for Islam
      kid, let me tell you one bitter truth. We are the true muslims not you, and you are the real KAFIR. Inshallah, you will accept the true ISLAM one day. For now, go do some research you ignorant KAFIR.

  22. Hi All,
    Agniveer says In Vedic ritual of Ashvamedha yagna, Horses were not sacrified ..
    But dr. Shekar in the below link has provided full details about the whole rituals which take place during the Ashwamedha Yagna..and how dogs and horses were offered in th yagna..
    Its a shame that we dont accept our ancestors faults..
    http://dmrsekhar.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/as…
    –Madhu (Speak the truth,even if it hurts)

  23. Hi All, Agniveer says In Vedic ritual of Ashvamedha yagna, Horses were not sacrified .. But dr. Shekar in the below link has provided full details about the whole rituals which take place during the Ashwamedha Yagna..and how dogs and horses were offered in th yagna.. Its a shame that we dont accept our ancestors faults.. http://dmrsekhar.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/as… –Madhu (Speak the truth,even if it hurts)

  24. @Madhu
    Copy-Pasting the same content won't solve any purpose. Kindly go through all the comments & explanations to clear your doubts!!!!
    And beware of self-declared Vedic-Experts who merely base their work on the Western-Indologists . Even I came through one similar article in The Hindustan Times in 2002 or so, written by some D.N Jha , a DU professor in history

  26. There is some great misunderstanding being propogated by the enthusiasm of Mr. Angniveer and some of his detractors like this Avtar Gill.
    First of all it's idiotic to compare Hinduism with any other religion,let alone prosetelyzing religions like Buddhism, Christianity and Islam.
    This was the fundamental mistake made by all our saints in 13th century onwards while going into a dialogue with experts of other ( mainly prosetelyzing and aggressive ones) religions.
    Hinduism's scriptures are not like Bible or Koran. Or like Ten commandments. They are not prescriptive, but are descriptive.
    If there are few verses which tell us about cow slaughter, they do not become a commandment for the Hindu people.

    • @Anand
      There is not even a single verse of cow slaughter, forget cows, not even animals. Vedas call for compassion on all animals.

    • @Anand
      Brother, its sad to read your comment. This is the problem with most of hindus that they are ready to accept anything in the name of religion even if it is a self contradictory scripture or full of errors. Can you tell me what misunderstanding has been propagated by Agniveerji? Can you provide even a single mantra from vedas which allows animal slaughter forget about cow? Why do you think that Vedas should contain both types of mantras? Should false be also included with truth in order to call a book complete?
      What do you mean by Hinduism books? Except some books, they contain all types of errors. Only Vedas can be considered as free from errors. Vedas are prescriptive when they say, do not kill animals and they are descriptive when they say why should you not kill. Vedas are indeed the commandments for the people and you can not question it until you come up with any mistake in those.

  27. People like Avtar Gill will not like to look thousands of Shlokas suggesting us to not to kill animals, but will dance with joy with fringe ones which he mentions. Why? The reason is obvious. His target is not Mr. Agniveer, but RSS. And why? No reason at all. Just because RSS exists, Mr. Gill is against it. He thinks that Hindu's have no right to unify. He thinks that organizing Hindu people is a crime. He is quick to brand them Fascist. I do not know whether Mr. Gill even knows what that term means.
    If people belonging to a non prosetelyzing, non aggressive culture want to unite to address their own issues, what is Mr. Gill's problem? Hindu's are not going to attack any other nation or religion. History books are filled with the horrific atrocities Hindu's have faced with the hands of foreign invaders. May be Mr. Gill should shed his pseudo Marxist crap, understand that there is no Berlin wall and stop Hindu hating.

    • I am absolutely in sync with Anand.
      If you abuse and condemn the hindu(read:vedic) faith you become progressive.. and if you defend this beautiful and tolerant faith, you are termed as communal and fascist.
      Actually this is how the brand of politics propagated by these Pseudo-Secularists, has flourished. And innocent people have fallen prey to it.

  29. I am well aware that all the Hindus of Kerala except Brahmin's eat Beef, and beef was eaten by Dravidian too; I had to search the basic Hindu religious book to find the following:
    Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”
    Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.
    Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.”
    Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”
    Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
    Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
    Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.”
    Also, comments of some great scholars of Hinduism are also worth noting:
    · Hinduism’s greatest propagator Swami Vivekanand said thus: “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”. (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanand, vol.3, p. 536).
    · Mukandilal writes in his book ‘Cow Slaughter – Horns of a Dilemma’, page 18: “In ancient India, cow-slaughter was considered auspicious on the occasions of some ceremonies. Bride and groom used to sit on the hide of a red ox in front of the ‘Vedi’ (alter).”
    · A renowned scholar of scriptures Dr. Pandurang Vaman Kane says, “Bajsancyi Samhita sanctifies beef-eating because of its purity”. (Dharmashastra Vichar Marathi, page 180)
    · Adi Shankaracharya’ commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : ‘Odan’ (rice) mixed with meat is called ‘Mansodan’. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers ‘Uksha’. ‘Uksha’ is used for an ox, which is capable to produce semen.
    · The book ‘The History and Culture of the Indian People’, published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Bombay and edited by renowned historian R.C.Majumdar (Vol.2, page 578) says: “this is said in the Mahabharat that King Rantidev used to kill two thousand other animals in addition to two thousand cows daily in order to give their meat in charity”.

    • @Balamurali
      Seems you were so busy with your Murali that you did not even read the page, which you are commenting on. Read, what has been written above-
      Claim: Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
      Fact: The mantra states that in winter, the rays of sun get weakened and then get strong again in spring. The word used for sun-rays in ‘Go’ which also means cow and hence the mantra can also be translated by making ‘cow’ and not ‘sun-rays’ as the subject. The word used for ‘weakened’ is ‘Hanyate’ which can also mean killing. But if that be so, why would the mantra go further and state in next line (which is deliberately not translated) that in spring, they start regaining their original form.
      How can a cow killed in winter regain its health in spring? This amply proves how ignorant and biased communists malign Vedas.
      Regarding Rig 6/17/1, there is the word "Gavyam", which are five in numbers according to Aayurved-cow's milk, curd, butter, Mutra and Apashisht. Where does the flesh come into the picture Bala Saheb? Mantra clearly says that the king should be well built through Saatvik bhojan like Ghrit, so that he can defend his country and kill the monsters.
      And you forgot that the title of the article is "there is no beef in VEDAS". Why are you talking of Manu, Yajnavalkya etc? And giving quotes of the likes of Vivekanand about Vedas are as useless as the comment given by a fool, on a page, which he has never read!

  30. Dear Agniveer,
    Is this correct ? Is there animal sacrifice in Vedas?. , Please write the verse and its correct translation.
    The Rig Veda has several very clear references to animal sacrifices.
    In a reference to the sacrifice of a goat it says (1.162.2) “The dappled goat goes straight to heaven, bleating to the place dear to Indra and to Pusan.”
    In one of the hymns to the horse (1.162.9-11) it says,
    “What part of the steed’s flesh the fly does not eat or is left sticking to the post or hatchet, or to the slayer’s

      • Thanks Brother,
        I am a Tamilian, SO Hindi/Sanskrit are far away from me. ( I am learning Sanskrit Now (Self)).
        is it possible for you to translate those 2 versus for me . — Please ..

      • @sss
        Brother, will definitely give the translation but for now being, just want to tell you that the Sukta 162 contains Ashva Vidya (knowledge of horses, how to train and care them) and this is also known as "Ashva Medh". This word has been mistranslated by Christian translators deliberately. In Brahmin text, "Ashva Medh" has been explained as care for animals. Mantra 12 and 13 of the same sukta strictly prohibit meat eating. Hence there can not be any Mantra what so ever to suggest killing horses or others.

      • @sss
        Rigved 1/162/9
        O intellectuals! Kravishah- the one who tread systematically (horse)
        ashvasya- of that horse
        yat- for
        riptam- the dung
        makshika aash- which Fly eats,
        yat swadhitou swarou- which makes the horse feel uncomfort
        shamituh- who does Yajna (yajna means any act which is done for others and not for self)
        Hastayoh- in his hands
        nakheshu asti- also in his nails
        taa sarva- all that knowledge which he possesses of keeping clean and training the horses
        deveshu api astu- this knowledge should be possessed by all noble people too.
        So the message of the Mantra is- "All the people should keep their horses clean from any impurity so that insects like Flies dont annoy them and they serve you better"
        I want to ask you, which word in this Mantra means flesh and which means slayer?
        Regarding 1/162/2, which word in it gives the meaning goat?
        Brother, all the translations of Maxmuller, Griffith, Mcdonald, Wilson, are based on either Saayan or Mahidhar. Mahidhar was the first person to invent the custom of animal sacrifice in Vedas. He translated Yajna as a place of sacrifice without any reason. Any ancient Rishi has never translated it like this. This is opposite to grammar too. Yajna means the act, which is done for the betterment of others. There is no place whatsoever for such barbaric rituals in Yajna.
        I request you to read Satyarth Prakash and Rigvedaadi Bhaashya Bhoomika by Swami Dayanand and discover the real Vedas.

      • @Slave of Allah
        yes, we are poor, we do not get terrorist funds like you and Zakir Naik that use it to mislead people. Quran, wether in English, Arabic, Urdu, or any other language, it will always have errors and stupid contradictions.

      • vik @
        u people willl always blame ur decline on Muslim funds.
        u stupid “Idol worshipper”, ever muslims gives “zakat” but Kaafirs dont give.
        m sure that u also dont give single penny to this BHIKARI AGNIVEER.
        U R POOR, WILL BE POOR ONLY. HA HA HA
        IF U HAVE GUTS THAN PAY FROM UR POCKET AND SHOW ME “SATYARTH PRAKSH” IN TAMIL IN ONE YEAR. if u can show than i will become Kaafir or u become Momin / true human being ?
        do u hv guts to accept my challenge ?

      • Hahaha,,,,, A Slave Calling free people (vedics, Dharmics) for a challege…how hilarious, free ur self and ur mind first my friend, get out of been a slave to the arabs,, then come and challenge our Dharma. Muslims can give all they like in “zakat”, but look at Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, Libya, bangladesh, somalia and many moore,,,, all majority muslim countries all giving “zakat”,,, yet all of these countries are considered third world and some of the most pooorest places on this planet.. where is the “zakat” going,,, i know to al quaida…. stupid muslim slaves…
        OM TAT SAT

      • Jason :-
        ur name suggests that u r “chisrtian” and not a vedic dharmi. u left Hindu religion because it was bad.
        i feel pride to say that i m “slave of islam” and i m a muslim. what about u ?
        u r a chrisitian and u can never follow vedas.u r lying. if that is so change ur name .
        why r u avoiding the main issue.
        CHALLENGE TO ALL FOLLOWER OF VEDAS :-
        ALL OF U TOGETHER ALSO CAN NOT PRODUCE COPY OF UR BIBLE “SATYARTH PRAKSH” IN ONE YEAR.
        Accept the challenge if u have guts. u hindus are without spine.
        i can produce Quran in any language that too for free to u.
        hahahahaha
        allah is all powerful

      • @arabic_ass
        ———“ab yeh ishwar ke hi haath main hai” what is hand of ishwar?———
        Good, now read this
        “ab ye arabic_ass ke parents ke hath mein tha ki vo bachcha paida karen.”
        It means that you did not come from your mother’s womb but hands 🙂

      • @atish, abe ulluh tujhe pata bhi hai ki baat kahan ki chal rahi hai? waise hi kood para? jab tera abba pagal power puch raha tha to kiya so raha tha? jab aryasamaji puchein to thik par jab hum tumhare guru ghantalon ke reference dein to ghalat? ullu tune aisi language boli warna main aisi language use nai karta par main parh chuka hun tere pehle comments aur main jaan gaya hun tu kitna zehrila hai? abe agni ke meaning pata hain tujhe ya wahan jakar hi samjhega?

      • arabic_ass
        I did not interrupt Pagan Power because of following Quranic verse. And BTW I did not use any bad language. You wrote KalBhairav as Kallu and Pagan Power as Pagal Power, so it was just to give you taste of your own medicine. I will change your name once you apologize to them.
        Ab dekh Allah Taala ne kya farmaya hai tere liye 🙂
        Quran [3:7]- “He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental; they are the foundation of the Book: OTHERS ARE ALLEGORICAL. BUT THOSE IN WHOSE HEARTS IS PERVERSITY FOLLOW THE PART THEREOF THAT IS ALLEGORICAL, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:” and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.”
        This verse clearly says that Quran has to be taken literally. And those who interpret it are deceivers 🙁

      • सारे के सारे लोग सुन लो
        अल्लाह हो अकबर.
        इस्लाम का परचम फिर से हिन्दोस्तान पर लहराएगा. तुम काफिर कुछ भी नहीं कर पाओगे.
        क्या कर लिया था तुमने जब हमारे गाजियों ने सोमनाथ के मंदिर को लूटा था. हा हा हा.
        तुम हिन्दुओं की जात ही डरपोक है. इंडियन अज एक सच्चा मुसलमान है. अल्लाह का हाथ है उसके ऊपर.
        अल्लाह उसके साथ है. तुम काफिर उसका कुछ भी नहीं बिगाड़ सकते.
        अल्लाह हो अकबर.
        अल्लाह हो अकबर.
        अल्लाह हो अकबर.

      • Hay Slave, stop praising your master here, if ur alla is so great then he can come and convert me now,,,,im waiting,,,still nothing,,,,still waiting………nothing…what happen, where is he, is he enjoying the 72 virgins all on his own in Jannat, i feel sorry for you all the slaves only gets allas left overs..hahah.lol, come on man, open ur eyes to the real world, what has Islam contributed to this world,,,nothing,,, what will islam give in the future,,,nothing,,what has islam done for mankind…nothing. NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM HERE HAS PROOVED HIS ISLAM TO BE TRUE…none till date,,u had 1000 years,, i give you another 1000 years, tell ur alla to come and convert me, this a challage to alla, what can he do……..nothing…
        OM TAT SAT

      • Brother, vedas is 4 times bigger than Quran.. I would suggest you read through your scriptures before you comment on other scriptures…
        As vedas is 4 times bigger than Quran.. it is not so easy to read through it and understand the ancient sanscrit… Hence I suggest you many scholars have already done the comparitive study on the major religions on earth… whichever religion you feel like is genuine based on your study and analysis, will help you understand… But take time to learn the scriptures.. atleast comparitive study !!
        For us Muslims, it is mandatory to read Quran.. but still its not easy for me to completely understand the entire QUran with the busy daily activities for people like you and me…
        But atleast I spare time to read and understand through it.. I have many non-muslim friends who dont even have a scriptures(vedas or bhagwad gita) at their home.. then forget about reading thru it..
        Iam muslim because my parents are Muslims, and you are because your parents following that religion.. But for us all God is one… Hence we should try to follow the message he has sent to us.. instead fighting here without any knowledge…
        So quicky goto google and do comparitive study by both the Hindu and Muslim scholars..and try to find the commanality and the message from the both the studies…
        I hope this helps.. May Allah grant you guidance !! Ameen !!

      • ” I am convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganga (Ganges), – astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc.” – Voltaire
        “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.” – Einstein
        Brown, the Western scholar, opines : “Vedas paint the picture of scientific religion,
        where religion and science clap together. Vedas are based on religion, science and philosophy.” – Brown
        Mrs. Wheeler Willax, an eminent American writer, states: “We have all heard and read about the ancient religion of India. It is the land of the great Vedas, the most remarkable works containing not only religious ideals for a perfect life, but also facts which all the science has since proved true. Electricity, Radium, Electrons, Airships, all seem
        to be known to the seers who found the Vedas.” – Mrs. Wheeler Willax
        Professor Greenish of the London School of Pharmacy rightly remarked, “India, owing to the remarkable variations she possesses of climate, attitude and soil, is in a position to produce successfully every variety of medical herbs required by Europe.”
        Joccolliot, the famous writer of the West, opines candidly “Astonishing fact. The Hindu Revelation (the Veda) is of all revelations the only one whose ideas are in perfect harmony with modern science.” – Joccolliot

      • Adding some points to what Bagyaraj Sir said:
        “Access to the Vedas is the greatest privilege this century may claim over all previous centuries.”
        – Julius Robert Openheimer
        American Nuclear Physicist
        “Never compare East (India) and West (other world). East will be east always and west will be west always. West cannot match the divinity East has.”
        – Mark Twain
        American Author
        “It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending, if it is not to end in the self-destruction of the human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in human history, the only way of salvation for mankind
        is the Indian way.”
        – Arnold Joseph Toynbee
        British Author
        “India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe’s languages; she was the mother of our philosophy; …”
        Prof. Will Durant
        American Historian
        “In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and so elevating as that of the Upanishads. It has been the solace of my life – it will be the solace of my death.”
        – Arthur Schopenhauer
        German philosopher

      • Continued
        “…Whenever I have read any part of the Vedas, I have felt that some unearthly and unknown light illuminated me. In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no touch of the sectarianism. ”
        – Henry David Thoreau
        American thinker
        “…The Hindu systems of astronomy are by far the oldest and that from which the Egyptians, Greek, Romans and – even the Jews derived from the Hindus their knowledge.”
        – Jean Sylvian Belly
        French astronomer
        “The Indian way of life provides the vision of the natural, real way of life. We veil ourselves with unnatural masks in west. ”
        – Goerge Bernard Shaw
        Oscar winner Noble Laureate
        “After a study of some forty years and more of the great religions of the world,
        I find none so perfect, none so scientific, none so philosophical and none so spiritual than the great religion known by the name of Hinduism.”
        – Annie Wood Beasant
        British theosophical society
        “Vedanta teaches that consciousness is singular, all happenings are played out in one universal consciousness and there is no multiplicity of selves.”
        – Erwin Schroedinger
        Father of Quantum Physics
        “It will no longer remain to be doubted that the priests of Egypt and the sages of Greece have drawn directly from the original well of India.”
        Friedrich Mejer (English statesman)

      • Continued…
        “Where can we look for sages like those whose systems of philosophy were prototypes of those of Greece: to whose works Plato, Thales and Pythagorus were disciples? Where do I find astronomers whose knowledge of planetary systems yet excites wonder in Europe as well as the architects and sculptors whose works claim our admiration, and the musicians who could make the mind oscillate from joy to sorrow, from tears to smile with the change of modes and varied intonation?”
        -Colonel James Todd (American pioneer)
        “The Vedas are noble documents, documents not only of value and pride to India but to the entire humanity, because in them we see man attempting to lift himself above the earthly existence.”
        – Prot Pall Thema
        “India, according to the concurrent opinion of all writers, is the most agreeable abode on earth and the most pleasant quarter of the world. Its dust is purer than air and its air is purer than purity itself.”
        Wassaf Abdulla (Muslim historian)
        “Mankind together with all sciences must have originated on the roof of the world i.e., the Himalayas”
        Immanuel Kant (German philosopher)
        “What is found in Vedas, exists nowhere else.”
        Lord Morley
        “After the latest researches into history and chronology of books of old Testaments, we may safely call the Rig Veda as the oldest book, not only of the Aryan humanity but of the whole world.”
        Rev. Morris Phillip

      • Prasad Sir,
        These slaves and asses are true jokers. Their names suits them: Ass by thinking and slave by actions.
        Let’s read this:
        “Our present knowledge of the nervous system fits in so accurately with the internal description of the human body given in the Vedas. Then the question arises whether the Vedas are really religious books or books on anatomy of the nervous system and medicine.”
        – Rele (Jewish writer)
        “I would like to believe that Hinduism is too valuable for humanity, and sacred Indian books contain too much precious and unique knowledge that it will not sink in oblivion. It’s my deep belief that without India the world will sink in spiritual darkness and ignorance.”
        – Alexander Zinovieu (Russian sociologist)
        “They were very advanced Hindu astronomers in 6000 BCE. Vedas contain an account of the dimension of Earth, Sun, Moon, Planets and Galaxies”
        Emmelien Plumret
        Most important is this:
        Islam is so unreformed there have been no real advances in art, literature, science or technology in the Muslim world in 500 years, Lord Tebbit says.
        – Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4163484.stm
        Now, can a donkey ever become horse? Can these Jokers accept truth? DEFINITELY, NEVER.

      • @ Indian_AZ: Your question a joke… Ishwar is one of the many PERSONAL names of the IMPERSONAL “THAT” which is beyond time, space, conception and gender. I can quote verses from Rig Veda supporting this. What now?

      • @apolloreach, y aryasamajis always asked this question from muslims that if Allah has no image y there is reference of Allah’s hands in quran? when we say that allah has no hands, any thing which u can compare with anything is not ALLAH, reference of Allah’s hands is an analogy, then ur brothers say no no it is Allah’s hands and it proves that Allah has hands. why you peoples have double standards? your brother pagal power is saying that y u use “he” for Allah? when i showed him from vedmandir.com using “he” for ishwar then pagal power is sleeping. you aryasamajis always play with the words.

      • @indian_az
        _____y u call ishwar as he______
        No matter, we can say she. He/She is does not make much difference but difference here of ideology.
        1. Why Should I believe in A Allah who is changeable?
        2. Why should I believe in A Allah who created Shaitan to misguide the people?
        3. Why should I believe in a Allah who need to speak “Kun” to do anything. Roughly saying whose will is not enough to happen any thing like Vedic God.
        4. Why should I believe in Allah who was sitting idly before this universe creation?
        5. Why should I believe in Allah who makes the people handicapped, poor etc. from their birth without any fault of their.
        Rest is here
        http://agniveer.com/5936/were-buddhists-persecuted-by-hindus/#comment-52864

      • T-S, ur answer is a joke.. hahaha.
        when we say that “he Allah is one and only” then u say that y u are using HE. when i showed u from ur link then u r playing with the words. see what KB has written in the matter of maryam alaihissalam, how could u use theses kind of words for Allah? you are leaders of agniveer’saryasamaj and using such filthy and dirty language for Allah. ask forgiveness otherwise hell fire is waiting.
        “Indeed, We have warned you of a near punishment on the Day when a man will observe what his hands have put forth and the disbeliever will say, “Oh, I wish that I were dust!” http://www.quran.com/78/40
        truth siker why are u not explaining about lauh-e-mahfooz? u always say that allah is sitting on lauh e mahfooz and i have given u example where lauh e mahfooz term is used, now show me where is that verse which u always refer? also explain what do u understand by lauh-e-mahfooz?

      • why do you believe in 100 (hundredss) thousands or even lakhs of Gods and even Godessess …. Can those Gods and Godessess have answer to you…
        Allah is All knowing, Life is the test… Rest is the Heaven or Hell..
        Allah says he has not given the burden or stress on any person that he cannot tolerate.
        Everything either poor or rich or handicapped ..All are equal before Allah…
        All other answers what was he doing before everything was not created or there… No one knows, probably you can ask him, when you meet him.. But not to forget he would have done with all reasons .. He is the All Knowing

      • @Najmuddin
        ____________do you believe in 100 (hundredss) thousands or even lakhs of Gods and even Godessess___________
        Whatever I believe what problem do you have! Its my personal matter.

      • @Najmuddin
        __________Everything either poor or rich or handicapped ..All are equal before Allah…___________
        If They are equal before Allah Why do Allah make someone poor/handicapped and others healthy & rich. Your Modern Quran Allah is partial.
        ____________He is the All Knowing___________
        If Allah is all knowing what kind of test he is taking? Will an interviewer ask question if he knows ones’ ability? No? There is no requirement of test.

      • Truth Seeker
        नमस्कार आर्य!
        मैं समझ नही पा रहा हु कि आप चाहते क्या है? एक बार अकबर ने बीरबल को पूछा – कोई तरीका बताओ जिससे कि एक मुसलमान वैदिक ब्राह्मण बन सके। बीरबल ने कहा – कल करते है। आजका मुहूर्त सही नही। अगले दिन अकबर को बीरबल ने एक कुम्हार दिखाया जो कि गधे को नहला रहा था तथा उसकी आरती उतार रहा था। अकबर ने पूछा – ऐ कुम्हार ये क्या करते हो। कुम्हार बोला – गधे को घोडा बनाता हुँ । अकबर ने पूछा – क्या यह मुमकिन है? बीरबल बोला – क्यो नही! एक मुसलमान वैदिक ब्राह्मण हो जाए तो क्या गधा घोडा नही हो सकता? अकबर ने कहा – तुम सच कहते हो। कहाँ मुसलमान और कहाँ वेद? ( अकबर जितना बुरा था उससे 1000 गुणा अधिक बुरा होता यदि उसे बीरबल न मिलता। जितना बीरबल सुधार सकता था – उसने किया – अब वह भी एक मुसलमान को पूरा नही सुधार सकता। )
        अब आप बताए कि आप अपनी उर्जा क्यो व्यर्थ करते है? पंचतंत्र क्यो नही पढते? उसमें लिखा है – उपदेशाहि मूर्खाणां प्रकोपाय न शांतते। Slave / Hyder / Zakir Naik / Sultan / Momins etc. सुधरेंगे ? आपने यह सोचा भी कैसे? आप गधो को घोडा बनाने में अपनी शक्ति तथा समय न गवाँए! यही शक्ति सामर्थ्य शेष मनुष्यो को एक करने में लगाए। जो न तो सुधरना चाहते है न ही सुधरने वाले है उनको उपदेश क्यो? हमारा सहयोग अग्निवीर आर्य के साथ है और सदा ही रहेगा। आओ भ्राताओ, समाज को धर्म, जाति, वर्ण इत्यादि जंजीरो से मुक्ति दे और अन्धश्रद्धा, अन्धविश्वास जैसे कुरीतियो को ज्ञानाग्नि से भस्म कर दे।
        जयतु आर्यावर्त !

      • Dear Brahmit
        You are great.Please tell us “what is your true name?”.
        Maharshi Manu’s advice”Let a wise man not to speak to a man who just want to disturb you or does not want to know the truth,a man who does not know his language but even then he tries to do debate with him etc. etc.But let him speak to ignorants without asking.
        Hindi:vidwan ko uchit hai ki vaha aise vyaktiyo ke prashno ka uttar kabhi na de jo apako tang karane ke liye puchata ho,jo satya jaana te hue bhi asatya sikarata ho,jo satya ka parityag aur asatya ka grahan karata ho,jisaka uddeshya matra haani karana ho bina karan ke.kintu vidwan unhe bina bole hi sabakuch batayein jo satya janana chahate ho.
        Please do read my following expereience:
        I tried to do debate with a Pandit in my village.I am just 16 and half.At that time i were complete 16.I asked him if there one god or two?He sadi”humans can worship as many gods as they want”.I agains asked “sir i do not want to know that but i want to ask” how many gods are there?”He replied with anger and hatred “he is having multiple forms”. Iasked “What proof?He said nothing.Then I made him agree that there is just one God.Then I asked “if there is one God why do people worsip so many”.He replied “people can worship as many as he want”.I asked “Why?”.He said”different people have different minds”.I asked “should we not get united?”He said “we already are”.I said “we hindus are fighting with each other,many are having many devtas,so how are we one”.He said “you are just a stupid”.I asked “Please provide the proof”He went away from that place”.
        Actually,the Shastrarth took 2 hours nearly as far as iremember.I can’t write the complete one here nor i remember too much.But it looked like he was not going to agree with “We should all worship one God”.He said “your are the biggest idiot,you do not have mid,you are out of control etc. etc. etc…)Similar Guys are these(Slave,Atoze etc.)
        Then I asked a poor farmer (he was not any pandit)”How many Gods are…

      • Then I asked a poor farmer (he was not any pandit)”How many Gods are there”?
        He said”i do not know”.I said “this is the proof and there is only one God”.it took just two minutes.And he said yes I want to be an Arya.
        Compare the two time limits
        2 minutes vs two hours i.e.pandit took 60 times more time than the poor one.So I would have converted 60 more persons if I had not destroyed my time with the Pandit.

      • @भ्रमित
        Namaste brother you are correct, Today when I posted comments at IH as rebuttals of their new article “Agniveer/ Satyagni or Deceiver”. They had deleted my all comments. In which one was like this:-
        “@Musfique/Others misguided by Shaitan
        You are wrong completely & have no basis of article. Agniveer & Satyagni are true Momins aka great scholars of Islam. Agniveer/Satyagni doing great service for Islam. Have u ever looked Great Fatwas issued by Great Satyagni? For EX.
        Q. can women still be right hand possessions or willing slaves?
        Fatwa: ” Salam. Lahaul wila Kuvvat illa billa. Who is this person inspired by Satan to ask this? Women were never to be made slaves or concubines. Anyone who advocated so was himself Satan. Prophet Rehman (SAW) writes in his Hadith Noor e Haq (Light of Truth) that every woman other than your wife is like your mother. Then who the hell someone make other women as slaves? Where is it written? All those books and perverts that suggest slavery of women deserve to be burnt in public. Allah will show His wrath on those who even think of such heinous crimes. Fear Allah and repent for that how you even thought of asking such disgusting question. Repent before it is late and Allah is most merciful. And Allah knows the best! “
        http://satyagni.com/fatwa-online/

      • Truth Seeker
        नमस्कार भ्राता !
        आपको islamhinduism ही मिला था क्या अपना मत कहने के लिए? वह तो आपको Untruth Seeker ऐसा कहता है। चाहे तो आप भी उसके नाम का अपशब्द बना सकते है किंतु उससे कुछ होगा नही। मैने दो अन्य अंतर्जाल्यक्षेत्र देख लिए है जिन्होने मुसलमानो को इस्लाम की बुराइयो से अवगत कराया है। यद्यपि यह दोनो ईसाइयो के बनाए है परंतु निष्पक्ष रुप से कुरीतियो पर प्रहार किया है। आज विश्व का प्रत्येक धर्म सुधार (reform) हो चुका है। — मुसलमानो का धर्म छोडकर – कहते है प्रत्यक्ष को प्रमाण नही चाहिए। दुनिया का कोई वैज्ञानिक, दार्शनिक, विचारवान क़ुरान के आधार पर नही चलता। कुछ मूर्ख अवश्य अग्निवीर को गलत कहेंगे परंतु सत्य परमेश्वर से नही छिपा है। आप कृप्या इतिहास पढ ले – कौन से सत्यवान को अपना मत कहने के लिए अवसर दिया गया?
        Vedas spoke of Heliocentric model but when Aryabhata propagated the same – he was criticized by his own friends including Varahamihir. Even later propagators like Galileo and Copernicus were punished. Jesus was put to cross just because Satan did not like: Love thy neighbor. All truth speakers are criticized. Same is happening with Agniveer OR Satyagni. Now, 2 sites mentioned above are wiki islam & answering islam. When ZN was asked whether he can refute them – he said that we will fight. ZN wants to raise a war. All scholars comment that for Islam – peace comes ONLY as a consequence of war. ZN himself proved that they are true. OK, leave that, Let’s unite Indians and support Shuddhi. Leave Sultans on their fate and read this:::
        http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_the_Noteworthy
        जयतु आर्यावर्त !

      • Let me say the definition of Tap(complete)
        sardi,garmi,bhukh,pyas,sukh,dukh,hani,labh,man,apaman ko ek hi samajhana.
        arthat chahe aapaka koi kitana hi samman kare ya to ap hanso ya fir udasin bano.yadi ap apane samman pe hansate ho to ap apane apaman par bhi hanso arthat ek se bane raho.vaise shri krishna or dayanand ke anusar in sab sansarik sukho dukho ke samane udasin bane raho.
        mahabharat nahi padhi hai..kintu dayanand ji ka charitra padha hai.kuch aavashyak baat kahata hai :
        ek baar swamiji paidal chal rahe the.unake saamane se ek vyakti aya.usane swamiji ko aneka galiya di.unhe thug,mahathug,chor,daku,nich,kutta,ityadi kaha gayaetc.swamiji sun rahe the.bich me kuch bhi bole nahi.ve muskurakar chal diya apane niwas sthan par.kintu vah vyakti bhi unake saath chala gaya unake piche piche.aur niwas sthan par jaake baith gaye.vaha vyakti bhi vaha pahunchkar unhe galiya dene laga.fir bhi swamiji prasann the.vaha vyakti bichara itanaa adhik bola ki bolata bolata thak gayaa.fir swamiji ne ruakane ke baad kaha ki aao isa aaasan par baitho.to vaha baith gayaa.swamiji ko kisi ne chawal diye the.swamiji ne usa din kuch na khaya tha.us din ke liye unake paas kewal vahi bhjan tha.aur swamiji ne un chawalo ko us gali waale ko de diye.aisa hote hi gali dene waale ki aankho me aansu aa gaye aur swamiji se kshma maangi.
        kuch samajhe!

      • Indian Az and slaves idiots. You are living on money of dead beings. Why not? Your holy books promote war as mechanism of peace. Forget those questions,
        Rather read: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Science
        Ishvar is he because of errors and flaws in English language. In original Sanskrit language, there is no such error. Ishvar cannot be bound in gender considerations. Regarding hands, it means powers. This is in GOD’s hands – does not imply that GOD has hands but GOD has power to do so. The questions which you have asked have everything to do with errors in languages & nothing to do with errors with Ishvar. Don’t you fools get such a basic idea?? Forget it, is it possible to convert a donkey to a horse? After a donkey is converted to horse, a Momin will accept truth (ask even a Christian / Jew – Quran derived teachings from them and yet they hate Quran – sufficient to conclude that Quran is a bogus book). Leave it, rather read the link for your enlightenment and illumination. HAHAHA

      • Slave,
        I have pride to use my original name here, read my full name, sorry i dont have a slave name like urs..lol.. I am proud for what I stand for and what i follow, i try to live by my ancestors original dharma. Proove to me that hinduism is bad,, dont just state something without proof, and for your information i was never a christian, i dont believe in that stupid ideology, i only know my original dharma, i have in the process of reading the vedas, and am currently taking lessons in Sanskrit, and don’t assume my background based on my name only, as i have said before that all india muslims are slaves and have slave mentality only, they are slaves to the arabs,,, but not me i can change my name if i want to because im free, im free to worship, im free to be human, because im a i follow Sanatana Dharma (Universal Righteousness). im not at slave to anyone, because my Atma is eternal it does not fear Ishvar, because Om is all love and my Atma does not fear love. but what about u Slave, do you have any love from ur arab master,, are u free to be human, i would ask u to come back to ur original dharma,, but i dont went to waste much of my time trying to convince u. and i have a very simple question for you slave,, please give me one verse from the Koran that has the same meaning as Vasudev Kutumbakam, (the whole world is like one family).
        OM TAT SAT

  31. @sss
    Brother, I know you are with us. You please start reading the above books in English. And one more thing, ask for some aayats from Bella immediately on the article Contradictions in Quran. Some Mujaahideens of Muhammad have appeared there!

  32. Hey Agni,
    Good work. I have a suggestion.
    Why not make a list of all prominent people that point to beef and animal slaughter in Hindu scriptures taking the likes of Zakir Naik and communists. Within this quote all their references, mantras, verses and stories which these people use to prove their allegation that ancient aryans were meat eaters.
    Then with your knowledge of ancient sanskrit language and grammar provide the correct translations of these mantras (that are used against Hinduism), thereby illustrating that their works are slanderous campaign on Hinduism.
    This will really make them speechless and every lay person can counter these people.
    Reading this article any sensible person is convinced that there is no beef eating in the 4 Vedas. However, you have to extend this work for other scriptures that our quoted by likes of Zakir Naik and communists– Mahabharata etc.
    I know your viewpoint that anything other than Vedas are adulterated text, however, to the extent possible give the correct and unbiased translations of these texts (especially the controversial verses). Though adulterated these texts have now become part of Hindusim and must be aligned with the Vedas to the extent possible.
    Best of luck.

  33. great work …What is the source of your translations..Are you sanskrit scholar or you read vedas from arya samaj by dayanand saraswati ….But vedas from arya samaj jamnagar is only in hindi and that too not very clear because fonts are small and hence difficult…….

  34. Dear Frnds,
    It is true, their is no version in telugu available from Swami Dhayandha sarawathi but you can find other authors which has been translated in telugu.
    Please visit any Arya samaj in AP (mostly in Hyd and Warangal) you can get the telugu version for all Vedas.
    My brothers,
    Please don’t go with other then Vedas. If you need Perfect 100% truth.
    After 500o years later (after Mahabharath Yudha) the Hinduism when to Wrong steps, Swami Dhayandha Gi taken back to the path of Vedas to the Humanity.
    Hope It can help you.

    • santosh,
      i have explained above that AGNIVEER is a POOR KAAFIR with POOREST FOLLOWERS.
      if u want Holy Quran in tamil gve me ur address and i wl get it delivered.
      i challenge u that if show me that book “satyarth prakash” in Tamil in ONE YEAR.
      u people cant do anyhting.
      POOR AGNIVEER JUST CAN CRY.
      keep crying and we will ENJOY YOUR TEARS.
      read Holy Quran and other islamic books they are available in Tamil also.
      come and join islam and have glory in this world and next world

    • Agniveer Ji,
      Whats your take on Honey? Do you think that consuming ‘Honey’ is not a sin?
      Because i think its a sin. It is produced out of their destruction and incessantly innumerable Jivas are born it. As far as i know you people
      honey is made by bees. the bees collect the nectar from the flowers. this is the food of the bees. as the flowers do not bloom all round the year the bees store the nectar in the beehive and this is used by them as food in the remaining part of the year.
      so bassically this is the food of bees and hence we must not eat it. further, if the honey is collected by us all the bees eventually die with the lack of food. the beehive is than used to make wax.
      indirectly, we are having our hands in something very wrong happening. hence, we must not eat honey. if we will not eat honey, than indirectly many beautiful small creatures can be saved. every small effort counts.

    • @roger
      Namaste Brother,
      For large scale production, as far as I know, honey is collected in a smart way. There are wooden boxes of certain height and bees collect their honey inside it. As soon as level of honey reaches the height of box, it starts flowing down through the outer wall of box and is collected. So you see, only extra honey, which was not essential for bees is collected and thus it can be consumed.
      Anyone who knows better can throw more light on this. But Brother, one thing we should keep in mind that anything is consumable if it fulfills two criteria
      1. It causes no/minimum harm/pain to others.
      2. It does not affect your body negatively.
      Dhanyawad

  38. Dear Agniveer Team (Arya Samaj)
    I have been following your every article and every comments and replies among the members. (kudos to the efforts of “Indian Agnostic, Arya, Vajra and others)
    My first obligation will be to thank you for your untiring efforts to kill the dangerous spiders of corruption and greed which have spun numerous cobwebs of misinformation and blatant lies around the pure books of knowledge and enlightenment.
    And as a truth seeker, my second obligation will be to go further and research more on vedas and inspire more people.
    Well …… but I have a doubt if anybody can help me!
    If we keep aside the morality and long term side-effects of non-vegetarian food for once and just look at it from the angle of only digestion process. I fail to understand how humans can digest meat. The presence of the enzymes necessary for digesting meat itself raises the question of its/their purpose.
    See, I view the vedas as the books having answers to all the doubts be it morals, science or whatever, your work and source of inspiration has reinforced this belief of mine.
    If possible, kindly shed light on above otherwise I dont know how much time it will take for me to unearth the answer.
    Thank you 🙂

    • Namaste @Truth Seeker
      If i had to quickly resolve this , i’d refer to the fact that even cows were able to digest meat when fed to them in europe..but the long term impact had to happen and you had the mad cow disease as a result.
      also if you look at our digestive tract , it is not meant for meat .it’s 3 times longer than the carnivores and hence meat stays stuck in it for 3-4 days causing all kinds of health problems.so you see that we are not designed to be carnivores .
      please visit http://agniveer.com/3149/id-mubarak/ and read the article and comments..you’ll have all the answers hopefully
      Dhanyavad

      • Brother Indian Agnostic,
        Thank you for your time and effort for the quick resolve. Though the answer I found was not entirely convincing to me, you need not be bothered as I’ll myself try to find it out.
        You see, humans are bracketed among the omnivores (as what modern science tell), my layman observations towards distribution of lifestyle diseases between vegetarians and non-vegetarians also do not point to the obvious so thats why the answer will require some research, will take time. So I’ll do it myself….. you use your precious time and energy towards convincing our long lost brothers who I found are too much mired by the indoctrination in imperfect way of life.
        Dhanyawad

    • @ truth seeker
      Ram Ram brother……..
      as far as i understand…the lining of mucus(an enzyme in stomach) secreted prevents the digestion of our body meat..but that lining do not protect anything eaten ..because if it starts protecting the eaten things..then by law of nature veg and non veg both will get protected as this mucus will forming coating on both layers…
      as far as the omnivorous digestive system is concerned…….our canine teeths are not like that of DOG or lion or any other meat eaters…….the digestion capacity we exhibit shall be gifted to us so that any accidental consumption of meat can be tackled………..
      our canine teeths are to cut the fruits and not meat ……………
      but even if we have the capacity to digest…we shall remember that we are given hands but not to steal……we are given brains..but not for destruction

  41. Dear Friends,
    Why should one think the killing in vedas was importent. We know here killing goes on daily.Millions of animals are killed daily just because they cant oppose and to fulfil our desire. If animal killing was real in vedas then it would be few animals less than 10.000(if not then?).
    If you really woried about animals then stop eating non veg.I was a non vegitarian, that teached me to eat fish and chickens, eggs.But today I understand that it is painfull killing them for taste,even an ant feels a pain when we hurt them. Now I stopped eating chickens and fish,avoid as much as possible when my relatives and friends force me. if we understand what really we are doing ,forgetting our past forefathers have done we can surely become sinless. One might eat non veg because he or she is following the family tradition.And they will not feel it wrong but again we humans have the understanding of others pain.We can think on any matter deeply and understand them and realize tham.
    We know there is so much of knowledge in vades.It is like a mine, we can choose what we want from this knowledge.It also explains about medicines, havens etc.Vedas are fault less and cannot be understood even one tenth of it by people of this age.Those who know a bit are respectible.
    God gives the freedom to us.If we misuse them dont you think he can take it back, just like the cattels or sheeps who cannot have the freedom under we humans.

  42. dear terrorist aiyub ansari,
    in 2001 in bangladesh,mullah govt. came into the power.they killed thousands of hindus,raped them,burnt some alive.a girl of 10 years of age got raped by 30 people.her mom said “please,do not kill her.she’s just 10.please go one by one.at least let her live”.
    even a crippled woman was raped!
    11 people were burnt alive because they were hindu!
    in 1971,paki soldiers killed 2.5 million(2,50,000) hindu.the world’s greatest genocide.
    dr.abul barakat,ho is a muslim,dean of economics of DHAKA UNIVERSITY reported that 2045 hindus are missing in every month.
    in 1971,about 32 million(32,00000) hindus were present in bangladesh.now its close to 12 million !
    only one(1) babri mosque was demolished,muslims destroyed 3700 temples in bangladesh in response of that!
    this is the real face of muslims!!

  43. It is sad to read that people believe that vedic text brief about animal killing.Should any Hindu believe it? Non of indian saints preached violence. Few years back in 1950’s and earlier there were no sloughter houses in or near the towns( was different in cities ).People were scared to eat chicken inside house.
    Even after so many muslim kings tried to destroy the nation and its religion,it still stands straight. there are so many stone carvings in different part of india none shows meat eating. Even in goa there are around 3000 temples out of which more than 1000 is destroyed by muslim kings ( but people see goa as bikni Destination because of portugal british rule -Most of them forget that Goa was once a very religious place. People forget their own reality with time.
    .Muslim kings tried to convert hindu and forced them to eat meat( only akber and one more king did not force).Even after many forign envasion indians are following the vedic way where ever possible.It is shameful for hindu to eat meat and follow alian religion.

  44. Mere pyaare bengali brahmin bhai,
    assalam-o-walekumwarahmatullah-e-wa-barakatuho! May Almighty bless you, keeps you safe and gives you hidayat!
    Well, waise aapke sabse priya bhagwan kaun hain!
    1. Kya aapko apne Shiv jee ke “Shiv Ling aur Char Dhaam” ka history maalom hai and if not then apni kitaab mein dekh lijiyega ki unka “ling*” ko char part me kyon kata gaya tha! Ling=Penis!
    2. The greatest rapes that took place was in Bangladesh is correct but the other’s not i.e., it was done by our honourable “BSF” i.e., Border Security Force Jawaans or for that time I may call “Border Sex Force” who raped tenths of thousands before they finally assasinated them!
    And yeah I’m honoured that you called me a terrorist because I’m glad that for you i.e., a non-hindu I’m a terrorist because you yourself don’t know that:-
    “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
    [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]
    i. “Ekam evadvitiyam”
    “He is One only without a second.”
    [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]
    ii. “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
    “Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]
    iii. “Na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no likeness of Him.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]
    iv. The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
    “Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”
    “His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]
    “Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan”
    “There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit.”
    Refer to it in your Brahma Sutra!
    Okay!
    Once again for my brother bengali brahman,
    Mere pyaare bengali brahmin bhai,
    assalam-o-walekumwarahmatullah-e-wa-barakatuho! May Almighty bless you, keeps you safe and gives you hidayat!

    • Dear Shri Ayub
      As usual let me answer point by point
      1) Kya aapko apne Shiv jee ….Not worth giving an answer
      2) The greatest rapes that took place was in Bangladesh is correct but the other’s not i.e., it was
      done by our honourable “BSF” …
      Ans: I agree Indian army is not perfect.Well, do yourself a favor. Please google for Yahya Khan, and Tikka Khan, the butcher of Bangladesh. You will realize how much not just the Hindus, but even the Bengali Muslims hate him
      3) You stated all traits of Gods
      Ans: All the traits described in the Hindu scriptures is correct. I have explained in one of my previous posts to you about how humans can perceive God. If your quest if true, please try it with sincerity and honesty.
      Peace
      Aman Garg

  45. Aur haan Brother aap kis waale god mein maante ho hum unka bhi history de denge as I’ve gone through Vedas and not like you who’s feeling pride just because he has born in a Brahmin family!
    I mean Ganesh, Shiv aur anyone else! For your help I’m always there!! 🙂
    And Yeah aapko Brahmin ka matlab bataate hue jaate hain:
    A member of a cultural and social elite, especially of that formed by descendants of old New England families: a Boston Brahmin.
    Okay! Aur haan time mile toh charon veda padhne ke baad humse miliyega my younger brother! 🙂

    • Ayub Ansari Miyanji before telling us history you should have known history of your Mohammad and Kaaba do you know at least 5-6 haddiths tell Mohammad is necrophilic and had sex with his mother fatima’s dead body see this website
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/father-zakaria-botros-on-cairs-radar.html
      Do you know black stone of Kaaba is vagina cum URINAL the black stone with silver casing was used by pagan arabs as vagina of Al Uzza who pagans arabs believed that kissing it gives sexual power of numerous men and that is why mohammad uses to kiss it and the myth of Mohammad’s sexual power equivalent to several men.
      Ansari Ji Muslims muslims don’t know that black stone that they kisses were destroyed to pieces by invading army and urinated by them so muslims are really kissing a URINAL and bowing 5 times a day to a urinal see this link.
      http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TBSVI2ATUB7E7MS0H

      • Ansari Miyan it is because of Indian Army that is why Bangladeshi today are free country otherwise today Bangladesh would big Haram for Pakistani Punjabi Army and would be daily raping Bangladeshi woman and creating bastards and there are many videos regarding Mohammad and Kaaba in this site so you should check it out

      • Dear Shri Blade
        Please dont hate them. If you abuse muslims, the purpose of this mission would be lost. The more you abuse them, the further will be the rift. They needs help. We all should do our bit by helping them to think their way out.
        If you observe all Hindu bashers, they only take up stories from puranas to bash Hinduism. They dont make an attempt to understand the concepts of Karma and the cycle of rebirths. Vedantas are the the ones that have true Hindu philosophy. That must be made aware to everybody(both Hindus and Muslims). We all should endeavor for the same. We will face stiff opposition from everywhere. If a change happens, opposition to change will also happen. It is natural. We must not loose heart.
        Peace
        Aman Garg

      • Aman Garg Ji I am only drawing the line for healthy debate so that they don’t come here abuse to us if they can hit us we can hit them harder, give respect and get respect. If you want Healthy debate we are more than ready for it but if you abuse us then we will you give shock treatment, but by the way what I have told is 100% true it is not a slander.

      • My dear Shri Blade ji Sir
        I agree that a healthy debate is the only way to open up their minds. If they abuse us, please don’t abuse them back. Just highlight to them why they are wrong. Only that will bring more and more muslims to this site who want to seek the truth. They need help. And Loving them making them think is the only way out to bring them out of the shell. The intent is not to create a rift, but to make them think and bring them out of the shell they have put themselves in.
        As I stated, the most obvious mistake made by muslims about Hinduism(as you also would have realized by now) is they use Puranas as the reference point and relate those stories to abuse Hinduism. Let us make them understand that Vedantas contain the REAL Hindu philosophy and NOT the puranas.
        If they find issues with Vedas, we have a very good team here(including your good self) who can make them understand where and how they have misunderstood. If they still choose to remain ignorant, God bless them, they are just going through the consequence of their karma.
        Our mission is to spread the words of vedas in the correct perspective to the whole of humanity..irrespective of caste, creed or religion-especially the muslims of this sub-continent.
        Sir, I dont think we must take our discussion any further since your mission and mine are the same. We will work towards it together.
        Peace
        Aman
        Peace
        Aman

      • Dear Aman
        There is no way you can bring those people into thinking and correcting themselves! They have proved this time and again! throughout for a 1000 years of our history! there maybe one or two good Muslims but they have stopped thinking with their intelligence or brains but think only according to their faith and their faith doesn’t contain even one good thing! Even our ancestors showed them pity and gave them a welcoming hand but they in turn attacked and upsurged our bharata destroyed temples raped women and and established Muslim rule! Obviously there were traitors on our side too! Such was the terror they had created. So complacence can lead to destruction! And now our own people have left our faith and are joining hands with them! This happened in the past too and it is happening again. Remember it is a sin to sit quiet in the face of injustice, those fight against injustice follow dharma!

    • who told you this meaning of Bramhin man??
      you said you have read Veda… then you must know Bramhin is one who has the Bramha Gyan… please search…
      now another thing. do you admire hazrat mohammad and love allah at the same time?? why??? just like that if you clear your mind you can understand one thing. we believe in PARAM BRAMHA (not BRAHAA, these are two different concept). we also believe in lord shiva, lord gansha etc. but let me to make one thing clear its BRAMHA (Param Bramha) is one and only one. you can consider it as an eternal energy. this concept is not much different from E=mc2… so sont misunderstant.. lord shiva, lord ganesha were like leaders and reformer of society. i dont know who they really were. but we can see one thing that they have some contribution to this society. so please dont misunderstand Hinduism, if you are a Muslim truly you are also a Hindu by your natural birth.

  46. Aman Garg Ji is correct, the purpose of the site is to discuss something good. World is full of ignorence and if one is stuck at ignorence and try to misguide and abuse other it is better to leave at that point.Knowledge cannot be erased by abuse or violence.It remains with us, cast and creed does not hert when ones aim is to know the real truth using whichever religious texts.It is in Hindu texts and vedas that written by Sri.Veda vyasa has vast knowledge that non can comment on it unless he go through it. If one comments and misguides then it is like pissing in the ocean to compare which is salty.

  47. Human conscience will tell every time that blood, gore, hate and killing anything are bad. Even a butcher knows it but he does it. I think only solution to all people who are so hell bent on bad mouthing Vedas should be eliminated because this is Kali Yuga. people are fools, everyone has a demonic mind! as you can see in Mahabharata Krishna used every means of friendship, advice, intelligent talk for kauravas but they were hell bent in not giving pandavas the kingdom, so Krishna resorted to war and prepared pandavas to finish them off ! But only a person who does not have “DEHA BHAVA” or the feeling that he/she is the body, will not get the karma or sin of killing. so ultimately, normal spiritual gurus or many avatars of various gods shall not kill anyone but Yuga prurushas like krishna and rama do it ! So god willing, if there has to be no poison on earth, then there has to be no poisonous plants for that all seeds of poison should be eliminated, otherwise some or the other time those plants will come up again! There is no option else! This is pure law of karma and no one can deny it ! What are Muslims doing here???? Trying to eliminate even the remaining flashes of our dharma from the minds of ignorant Hindus?? You attack everywhere and here too! Just see the aggressiveness of them! If they want to believe that allah is almighty believe let them believe, but not force it upon us here We don’t want them here…Moderator do you hear me??

  48. I consider the translation of the Vedas by Acharya Sayan, Mahidhar, Bhattacharya, Prof. Max Muller, Ralph TGH Griffith, Monier Williams, Maurice Bloomfield and other like minded scholars to be incorrect and misleading. Below is an example of a prejudiced translation from Wikipedia (on line encyclopaedia):
    The Rigveda (8.48.3, tr. Griffith) states,
    a ápāma sómam amŕtā abhūmâganma jyótir ávidāma devân c kíṃ nūnám asmân kṛṇavad árātiḥ kím u dhūrtír amṛta mártyasya
    We have drunk Soma and become immortal; we have attained the light, the Gods discovered. Now what may foeman’s malice do to harm us? What, O Immortal, mortal man’s deception?
    The Ninth Mandala of the Rigveda is known as the Soma Mandala. It consists entirely of hymns addressed to Soma Pavamana (“purified Soma”).
    Let’s see the correct translation as per the Rishis:
    Nirukta (the greatest authority on the translation of the Vedas) 4/3/13/44 has described the Soma as medicine promoting long life and youthful strength. The colour of Soma has been said of Harit Varna or green colour (yellow or tawny as per Wikipedia).
    Sushrut (termed as father of Ayurveda medicine and surgery) in his Chikitsa Sthanvarti Chapter 8 has given 24 divisions of Soma. He has also termed Soma as the destroyer of old age and death (etymologically meaning promoting long life and youthful strength).
    Nirukta Bhashya 5/1/3/13 and Rig Veda 10/89/6 have described Soma as a peaceful natured Soul.
    Nirukta Bhashya 5/1/3/13 and Rig Veda 9/107/9 have described Soma as cow’s milk.
    Similarly, Nirukta Bhashya 11/1/10/7 describes Soma as moon.
    Now let’s see the translation of the above mantra as per Maharishi Dayanand Saraswati in line with Nirukta Bhashya. This mantra describes the advantages of grain eating.
    “(Soma) Oh Lord! (apam) We drink the juice of the grain. (amritah abhum) We become amrit i.e. have long life; (jyotih aganm) we strive to achieve bodily strength and eternal glow; (avidaam) may we achieve (devaan) the strength of our senses; (kin krinvat) what can (asman) our (aratih) internal enemies do to us (noonam) in this condition? (amrit) Oh deathless Ish or God! (kim) what can (dhurtih) violent and (martasya) murderous people do to me?”
    The ninth Mandala of Rig Veda describes the peaceful qualities of the almighty and not as stated by Griffith.

  49. bahut hi badhiya article hai aasha karta hu yeh hamare hindu bhaiyon ke liye margdarshan kaa kaam karega, yeh sab zombies ko samjh nahi aayega kyun ki kisi bhi cheez ko samjhne ke liye brain kaa hona zaruri hai or zombies ke pass woh nahi hota . ;))

  50. if eating non veg is prohibited in vedas..even the plants have life..how can we eat them? and there are many microorganisms we are inhaling and killing…how can we justify it?

    • @prakash
      Sharing with you a counter-argument which was presented by bro Vik while debating a muslim lady on a same thing. She yet to reply him.
      1) So what? So you got to understand that this is a major DIFERENCE BETWEEN PLANTS AND ANIMALS
      Plants do not have blood nervous system, moreover they can regrow, whereas animals dont. By your logic, even a computer, table, metal feel pain, now you tell me, can these things have souls within them???? Scienfific life is based on chemical reactions, not the conciouss life. Science itself is unable to explain the origin of concsiousnes so how will it tell who feels pain in a consciouss state and who doesnt????????? ”
      2) Plants do not repel, do you ever see them repel while you slaughter them??? When you slaughter a chicken, you can feel that chicken resisting you trying to escape, this proves that the chicken has a concious soul that makes it feel “I am a chicken”, whereas when I chop a carrot, I do not see a carrot resisting away from me. Plants do not have concious souls in them that say “I am a carrot” or “I am a mango tree”. When we say things have life it simply means chemical reactions. Yes, plants and organisms have life, not in the sense of humans and animals, but in the sense of chemical reactions. By the scientific defintion of life, even a computer, metal, and a pencil have a life too.

      • ok…if u say that since plants are not resisting away when u cut them and so they do not have consciousness and hence we can eat them..then the same thing should apply for an egg..how can u say that it is non veg? and eating egg is also prohibited in vedas. if u say that soul exists only in the beings which resist others, then egg shouldnt have a soul yet..and scientifically the presecence of soul is not proven..so how can u say microbes dont hav soul and insects or birds have it??

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