- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – An analysis (Part 1)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Bhavishya Puran (Part 2)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Vedas (Part 3)
- Introduction to Hinduism (edited with comments)
- ‘Concept of God in Hinduism’
- FAQ on Hinduism – IITian thrashes Zakir Naik
- Polygamy in Hinduism
- Sita’s Agnipariksha in Ramayan
Immediately after I published my analysis of Dr Zakir Naik’s views on Hinduism, I started receiving hate mails. However I also received a soft-copy of another book of his “Answers to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions about Islam”. This is another masterpiece of his sophism. I have already glimpsed through videos of his lectures where he recites this book line by line. Many rebuttals of this book are already available.
However what perturbed me, was another set of misconceptions he attempts to breed regarding Hinduism through his self-proclaimed research. I can understand why Dr Zakir Naik has to spend so much space discussing Hinduism in an article on Muslims, and so much space discussing Islam in an article on Hinduism (See in FAQ on Hinduism)! This apparent confusion emerges from the fact that in current political, social and cultural situation, 80 crore Hindus form the most ideal conversion ground for Islamic Research Foundation. Peace TV managed by Dr Zakir Naik even announced this a few months ago that they would make Hindustan a Darul-Islam in next 5 years.
Further, many Muslims believe in a prophecy that once India is conquered, only then would Jesus Christ come again and will bring end of the world. After that, Judgment Day would happen and they will go to Paradise to have their virgins and luxuries forever! The lure is too tempting for the uncultivated mind to drop all sense of reasoning!
In this article, I shall cover the first question he addresses – POLYGAMY.
Dr Zakir Naik has tried to prove that Hinduism is inherently a polygamous religion. He states on Page 4 of the book:
“The Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.
Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives.”
He continues giving some census data from sources best known to him alone that polygamy is more popular among Hindus than Muslims.
I shall not dwell into what Polygamy means in Islam of Zakir Naik – whether marrying 4 wives in total in entire life, or keeping the total number of existing wives at 4 by divorcing old ones as one marries new ones, or having special provision of 9/11/16/++ for those having revelations, or permitting marriage with babies, or whether keeping unlimited slaves and not counting them as legal wives and thus skewing census data. These issues have been dealt with by a large number of people including women-rights organizations, Muslim reformers and ex-Muslims worldwide. Internet lists a large number of such reference sources that you can google upon.
The focus of this article would be explode the myth that “according to Hindu scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes.”
POLYGAMY IN VEDAS
We start with the Vedas because Vedas are considered the foremost authority in matters of Dharma.
1. There is no single mantra in the entire 4 Vedas that even give a hint of supporting more than one wife or more than one husband.
2. Three mantras of Rig Veda, 1.124.7, 4.3.2 and 10.71.4 contain “Jaayeva Patya Ushatee Suvaasaah”. This means that knowledge comes to the scholar in same manner as a dedicated joyous wife comes only to her husband. “Jaaya” means wife and “Pati” means husband. Both appearing in singular implies that only one husband-one wife relation is considered ideal.
3. Rigveda 1.3.3 states that God is like a dedicated wife with high character and purity. This also implies that monogamy alone is considered ideal.
4. Rigveda 10.149.4 compares love between God and devotee like that between dedicated wife and husband. Both “Jaaya” meaning wife and “Patim” meaning husband are used in singular number implying strict monogamy.
5. Rigveda 10.85.20 appeals a bride to expand happiness for her husband. Again both husband and wife are referred in singular.
6. Rigveda 10.85.23 appeals to wife and husband to always have self-control. Its obvious from reference to self-control and singular numbers for both wife and husband that monogamy alone is recommended.
7. All mantras relating to marriage are addressed in dual number to a couple of husband-wife implying one wife for husband and one husband for wife. Some examples are Rig Veda 10.85.24, 10.85.42, 10.85.47 and almost entire 14th Chapter of Atharva Veda which deals with subject of marriage. Most mantras pray for faithful relation for entire life-time.
Please note that Sanskrit has a dual number apart from singular and plural, specifically to remove this confusion that people may have.
8. In Atharva Veda 7.35.4 both husband and wife state that, “You establish me in your heart so that our minds become one and same.”
9. In Atharva Veda 7.38.4, wife says that “You should only be mine. You should not even discuss about other women.” What can be a more clear prohibition of polygamy than this!
10. Atharva Ved 3.30.2 and 14.2.64 also appeal husband and wife to be devoted and faithful to each other.
11. Perhaps Veda provider Ishwar knew that despite all this, some self-proclaimed experts may still find reasons to justify polygamy. Thus certain mantras in Vedas describe demerits of Polygamy.
– Rig Veda 10.105.8 compares existence of multiple wives with multiple worldly miseries.
– Rig Veda 10.101.11 states that a man with two wives is pressed from both sides and weeps like a horse that neighs when pressed from both sides by spokes while driving a chariot.
– Rig Veda 10.101.11 state that two wives make life aimless.
– Atharva Veda 3.18.2 prays that may a woman never face threat of another co-wife.
12. The only mantra that skeptics try to give in favor of polygamy in Vedas is Rig Veda 8.19.36 that contains “Vadhoonaam” and “Satpati” words. However, “Vadhoo” does not mean bride here and instead means powers that provide happiness. “Satpati” means protector of good, just as “Bhoopati” means protector of earth. This is also evident from the Devata or Key subject of the Sukta in which this mantra comes – prayers for charity and donation (Daanastuti). The mantra means that Ishwar gives variety of powers to those who protect truth and good.
POLYGAMY IN RAMAYAN
While it is admitted that Dashrath practiced polygamy, but the essence of entire Ramayan is that polygamy leads to troubles. The polygamy of Dashrath is considered to be the cause of trouble and grief that everyone faced. Ram is considered “Maryada Purushottam” or the “Ideal Man” because he re-established the Vedic norm of monogamy. Same was followed by all his brothers.
POLYGAMY IN MAHABHARAT
By the time of Mahabharat, the moral values of society had declined a lot. Thus none of the characters, apart from Krishna, is considered exemplary in Mahabharat. And that is exactly the reason why Krishna has been targeted the most for character assassination by a variety of forces.
Mahabharat is an extremely adulterated text and is not taken as authentic in totality. The original text was much smaller and over a period of time it expanded to include a lot of things. Unlike Vedas, there was no mechanism to stop adulterations from it. However a close analysis easily exposes that certain popular stories in Mahabharat are pure myths. I give a list here:
a. Krishna was wedded to none except Rukmini. The myth of 16000 wives came from a story where he liberated 16000 captive girls from Narkasur. The story itself is questionable. Further the story never states that Krishna married 16000 girls. It says he protected them, which is true if story is correct. had Krishna married 16000 of them, it would have taken him more than 10 years even at rate of 4 marriages a day as per the prevailing rituals!
b. Krishna was so strictly disciplined that he observed complete Brahmacharya for 12 years before planning to be a father. That is why Krishna is such a role model for entire society. The narrator of Geeta had no time for anything except nation-building in those testing periods.
c. Krishna never had any love-games with any Gopi. These are figments of imaginations which got popular during dark age of foreign rule when rulers of small states indulged in wasteful enjoyments after accepting supremacy of foreign rulers. Further the whole story of Radha is a figment of imagination. It exists only in Brahma Vaivart Puran which is another unscrupulous book like Bhavishya Puran that insults legends like Krishna and Ram. The concept of Radha grew popular only in very recent times during dark age of India when rulers of princely states were busy only in considering themselves Krishna incarnate and indulging into lustful activities by demeaning just a legendary Brahmachari character! Mahabharat does not contain these.
Please read this excellent article by Dr Satya Pal Singh, Police Commissioner of Police, Pune: Lord Krishna – Lord Krishna – an enlightening personality
POLYGAMY IN GENERAL
While polygamy was practiced by certain rulers at various points in time, it was restricted only to ruling class and never became a mainstream in larger population. That is why Hindus had no discomfort or objection to formal introduction of monogamy as a law after independence.
All the great legends of Hinduism, whom many consider to be near God, were purely monogamous or brahmachari- Vishnu, Shankar, Ram, Lakshman, Bharat, Shatrughna, Hanuman and Krishna.
Thus it is a gross myth that Hinduism accepts Polygamy.
On contrary, Vedas are unambiguous over recommendation of monogamy alone. The same has been the trend for general population and our role models.
If there is any philosophy that condemns polygamy and specifically demands monogamy, it is the Hindu Dharma based on noble precepts of Vedas.
Addendum:
On an additional note, I would like to address a few sophism that Dr Zakir Naik indulges into to justify polygamy:
1. Naik – Average life span of women is more than that of men.
By this logic, polyandry (one wife- multiple husband) should be allowed. Because, on average, one wife would require more than 1 husband to cover her entire life!
2. Naik – World female population is more than world male population.
This contradicts previous point. If one looks at 2008 data of World Population as published by UN Statistics Division, there are 2% more males than females in the world! The same is also true for marriageable age discarding children and elders. Does he recommend Polyandry now?
3. Before we get further, let us also look at the countries with worst gender ratio. You can view the list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio
The table has facility to sort by fields. What we observe is that the top 9 countries with more men than women are all Muslim countries. Stricter the Islamic Law, more adverse the gender ratio. There are 2.74 times more men in UAE and 2.46 times in Qatar. India and Pakistan are also is not far off with their significant Muslim population!
4. Naik – Muslim women in due faith could bear a small personal loss to prevent a greater loss of letting other Muslim sisters becoming ‘public properties’.
We just saw the data above. Does Dr Naik recommend the inverse now?
5. In civilized societies like Vedic Dharma, each women apart from one’s wife is viewed as mother, by default. The basic rule is “Matrivat Paradaareshu – All except wife are like my mother”. That is why the question of someone becoming public property does not arise. In wars, legends like Shivaji would bow to imprisoned women and call them mother! And in a society that respects women, the question of adverse gender ratio does not arise as is happening in conservative Muslim countries.
6. What is important is use of word “property” for women. Dr Naik recommends that polygamy enables women to be private property rather than “public property” at small personal loss. This small loss is a great insult to entire womanhood. If sharing of husbands is haram, why is sharing of wife merely a small personal loss? Vedas do not discriminate at all between men and women and provide them equal rights and privileges in all matters including marriage.
Next he lists 4 reasons why polygamy is permitted but polyandry is not permitted:
a. This will help identify father of the child!
(But now we have DNA testing available!)
b. Man by nature is more polygamous!
(What is the proof for this except that polyandry is stoned to death? Is this not a ploy to insult entire womanhood by justifying polygamy?)
c. It is biologically difficult for women to be polyandrous and rear children!
(This is again another shameless reason to justify keeping multiple wives and concubines, in name of religion and social service!)
d. High chance of acquiring sexual disease!
(On contrary, medical science proves that it is women who are more susceptible to contract such diseases from polygamous men than vice versa. Being a medical student sometime, Dr Naik should have verified at least this much before publication. Or perhaps he never got a chance to practice or get back to medical books!)
Wise can decide themselves the mentality of this admirer of Osama bin Laden.
In summary, Polygamy is a malpractice, quite aptly condemned by the Vedas. Hinduism guided by Vedas and its role models has always emphasized on monogamy and self-control as the only way for humans.
Efforts to justify polygamy, through whatever reasons, is an insult to entire womanhood.
May such deviant minds introspect and come into the shade of Vedas. May they inculcate feeling of respect for entire Matru-Shakti.
This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/4982/polygamy-hinduism-hi/
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Thanks! The mistake is now corrected!
Dear Read the below commenTs
now To all The people in The world Why you choose IslaM? pls mere Hindu bhaioun bura nhn manyega mgr such yahi hy apkhud compare krlenyar–for any answer [email protected].
1)–The onlY Religion Who Teaches to respect women and ask women to Hijab that’s why They protect their selves from Bad ones–
Hinduism:–
In the Rigveda, there are numerous places where gifts of beautiful girls as salves are made to saintly persons. For example, Rigveda 6/27/8 mentions Abhyavarti, son of Chayaman, presenting a gift of slave girls stuffed in two big wagons to Rishi Bhardavaj.
The Mahabharat (Adiparv 220) also reveals that slaves, especially women, were given as a part of the dowry to the bridegroom. Krishna, in his sister Subhadra’s dowry gave along with other objects, “one thousand fair complexioned, charming damsels with lustrous hair and adorned with gold and who were good at serving.” These beautiful women were to be treated as slaves or even as harlots. Mahabharata narrates an incident in which Rishi Galav goes to king Yayati and asks for 800 horses as he had to give them to his guru, Rishi Vishwamitra. King Yayati does not give horses but offers his daughter and says:
“She is my daughter. She is extremely beautiful and virtuous. She is desired by every male in three worlds. She can charm any Sur, Asur, Aryan or non-Aryan. I offer my daughter to you. You can sell her to any king and manage to have your gurudakhshina.” (Udyog Parv, section 115).
Realy if you know such things and still following Hinduism Than think where you stand brotherz:( plssss think and rectify your selve.
2).–The onlY religion which Teaches to be good with slaves our nabi Never Refused or beat any of his slave iF anyone give me one instanCe of his this deed I WILL LEAVE ISLAM– Hamare Nabipak S.A.W.S ki waja se islam ka ruTba sab se buland Hy..
Hinduism–
Even Rama received such slaves as wedding gifts from King Janak when he married Sita. This is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan, Baal Kaand, Sarg 74, shloka 5…
Muhammed was a slaver. Slavery is not abolished in Islam, it at best is regulated, and slavery is limited to enslaving non-Muslims but not other Muslims. Muslims raided and enslaved Europeans, Africans and Asian non-Muslims. People do not realize that white people were themselves enslaved just like blacks by Muslims. To read more about slavery in Islam google Princeton Professor Bernard Lewis Race and Slavery in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia abolished slavery in 1962 at the pressure of US President JFK. Slavery is still in Muslim countries. Learn also about the real Mohammed “The Truth About Mohammed” http://www.thecrescentorthecross.com/Robert%20Spencer%20-%20The%20Truth%20About%20Muhammad.pdf
Under Mohammed there were 82 raids and wars against non-Muslims and he and his followers took the non-Muslim women and children as slaves. Mohammed allowed his men permission to have sex not only with their wives but with their female non-Muslim slaves. In one war Mohammed enslaved 1200 women and children after executing 800 of boys and men over puberty. http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=672
these were given for the SEVA and not only girls but boys were also given.
Agniveer ji,
i have doubt on my mind that if there is one god in vedas than what about ganpati bappa and ohter demi gods
plz rply 2 this bcoz i m confused…………….
No where in the vedas it is mentioned in a verse that “There is only one god”. There are several verses which say stuff like “he has no image or he is one without a second” – these verses are about Brahman. Morons like Zakir Nayak don’t know anything about the Brahman & Atman and try to fool Hindus. Read the wikipedia on Brahman to get some idea. We are Hindus we are the Aryans – the best race of humans on earth not like the mlechhas! A mlechha can never be capable of understanding the Brahman. The Brahman is eternal. Heaven, hell and the entire Universe gets destroyed at sometime but the Brahman remains forever, so does the Atman. In the Rig Veda it is clearly said in a verse – “Indeed great are the devas who sprung out from the Brahman”. Hence this verse ensures all the devtas are indeed Gods. The Trinity was the first devas to have come out of the Brahman. Then Brahma created the Universe, Vishnu is the sustainer of the Universe and Shiva will someday destroy the Universe.
Arya is about character – about being noble. It is not about race. The idea that arya is racial came about with 19th century Europeans and it was wrong. Max Mueller who first linked commonalities with languages between Europe and India said “an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_M%C3%BCller
i will make a video on this text .Sir if all texts have been corrupted by invaders(muslim terrorists) Should we loose hope….wat is left behind are ashes….wat is it that which takes birth from ashes….? absolutely nothing…
Thank you for taking up this matter. This shrewd person(Zakir Naik) has gone too far in misguiding innocent minds and is a threat to the unity of India. I appraise your efforts.
Dont think that there are no other people with you. There are many patriotic Indians uniting to remove all evils from India(the movement name is Bharat Swabhiman ). This also includes fragmentation of Indian society.
@Ritesh Swami
Brother first i would request you to disclose your proper identity for further conversation and its obvious that you don’t belong to a hindu family or sanatana dharma .
Quote ” You are so misguided yourself. How come your religion teaches to gamble and use your brothers wife as a bet and then your own cousins in the game perform a disgusting and inhumane act of taking her clothes off ? (sita as a gambling bet ?) this is an insult to all women.” Unquote
Give me above reference please and let me tell you that nowhere in any vedas or our scripts your so called story of your dirty mind is present .
The story you taking about is from MAHABHARATA in which Pandavas used their Wife Draupadi as ambling bet when asked to bet her by Evil kauravas and it was lord SRI KRISNA who saved her and increased her sari length so that no one can take that off, this means he protected her ..
Pandavas faught their own cousins because they were evil and this is why MAHABHARATA is famous for , Plz XXXX Khan , Ali , Ahmad etc clear your concept and don’t try to spread hatred for aour own hindu brothers and you can’t prove by writing even thousand times hinduism ( my own religion )
This shows what you got as god gifted nature and intellect of hatred and cheating from Moham MAD whoz only desire was of loot , rape , and voilent and these are the basic pillars of islam ( EVIL and FALSE religion )
gOD is great I don’t know your name But Dear now todaY I will cleaR all the Thnigs pls Don’t be hurt as I will not adopt the way of talking like u talk…. FirsT of All our ISLAM gives us a way to live all the islamic values are awesome go to the google and see by yourselve how many people are getting muslim DAYBYDAY why? bcz Islam has a total followable life of prophet S.A.W.S who spent a generous life really now tell me Stupidman? how many of you HINDUS follow your RAM, laxma, or hANUMAN what are there teachings? is there anything they left from the help of it you spent your life? I know what they gave to u or u adopt by urselve…
pls don’t liE Afraid of Allah or your GOD these all things are 100% truth what I am saying..
HINDU dharam yes hy…pls naraz nhn hoiega Islam in tamam batoun ki mukhalfat opposite hy.
1–)NUDITY–as mention and shows in your Dramas, films, clearly.
2–)sexual language as mention in Murder2, dirty picture etc these are the things u are conveying to your new generation..SHAME on U.
3–)NEW Bhagwans Sachin tendulkar, Amitab bachan etc..Lanat hy ese mazhab pe jisme 1 khuda na ho HAD hy.
4–)worship of many GODs for sex also like Yoni and shive :/ is this justifieD…
5–)even you can check in your history about multi worshipings of your Bhagwans… so you asking me to follow which REligion which donot have a appropriate GOD or Creator and leAVe my only Allah– so Hear The Quran says And The Mighty Allah creates all the things instead the many idols they worship doesnot Create a single Bee.
6–)will I worship which religion which tells a lot of corruption in the olden days about Caste and religion not talking about present..if such problems are solve Greatly at present so whay about the pasT..
7–)The fact is fact the Slaves of young girls and other man behaved like animal is the history of hinduism.
All you are saying is fake. The only truth is that Muhammad was a pedophile, rapist , mass-murdered and looter of caravans. Muhammad banged a 9year old little girl called Aisha. Islam is a religion of Kali Yuga created by demon Muhammad, Hinduism is from Satya Yuga.
Dear Read that then decide who is FAke and who is Sincere
hmmhmmh dear mR. Agniveer sir anD all the otherz I m Sajid [A musl1m] u have said Zakir bha1 is a Fraud — Dear He is not a Fraud pls Don’t take it bad dEar I think u are a Fraud u have mulTiples God to worship Brother V have only one– Dear the mosT prominent Thing in islam I Tell u[[[ IT is PARDA[Hijab] Islam strictly prohibiTed MEN to see Unknown women widout any proper reason Islam boosT up the status of women By saying –Heaven is Beyond the feet of a mother– Dear Is anyof your bo0k ask the women for Hijab? Dear u talking about your HInDuism so let u know U cReates vulGur deamas , films on your GOdz Bhagwan—- Is this your Religion says to make fun of your Bhagwans oR it is written in your books? sory If any of my talk HurTs u Regars.
Ok Bro…..Do you have any justification for the rapes of women forceful conversions after rape which was done during the muslim invasion era and (to some extent still present in various parts of Indian Sub contnent (specially Pakistan and Bangladesh).
Shouting Allah ho Akbar and raping women of other faiths looks to be a genuine teaching of Koran and Allah…….
Dear ganesh pls think Dear as i said u know how u make fun of your religion by making vulGur Drama’s ,cartoons of your lorDs–Dear pls just think all your lords are the human which Allah Creates dear he is the Sustainer who creates everyone everything –He is beyond concepT–why Believe on Allah??
Answer:
yeah just the way hindus gang raped girls and women at godhra kaand and cut off their breasts in fields and streets after screaming jai sri raam…
same logic.
perhaps ur veda “rigged vedas” and un”holy” books taught u this…
same kind of answer for same stupid question ass ‘ole
—–Islam boosT up the status of women By saying –Heaven is Beyond the feet of a mother——
where does this boosting up of woman goes when mohammad declares shamelessly that in heaven each men would get 72 virgins to enjoy?
what would women get in heaven ? will they also get 72 virgins? or they would get 72 men ??
show from quran!!
krishna good question as i say in Quran Allahpak means HOOR which Allahpak creates and we dont know how are theY how they look not 72 girls..
now To all The people in The world Why you choose IslaM? pls mere Hindu bhaioun bura nhn manyega mgr such yahi hy apkhud compare krlenyar–for any answer [email protected].
1)–The onlY Religion Who Teaches to respect women and ask women to Hijab that’s why They protect their selves from Bad ones–
Hinduism:–
In the Rigveda, there are numerous places where gifts of beautiful girls as salves are made to saintly persons. For example, Rigveda 6/27/8 mentions Abhyavarti, son of Chayaman, presenting a gift of slave girls stuffed in two big wagons to Rishi Bhardavaj.
The Mahabharat (Adiparv 220) also reveals that slaves, especially women, were given as a part of the dowry to the bridegroom. Krishna, in his sister Subhadra’s dowry gave along with other objects, “one thousand fair complexioned, charming damsels with lustrous hair and adorned with gold and who were good at serving.” These beautiful women were to be treated as slaves or even as harlots. Mahabharata narrates an incident in which Rishi Galav goes to king Yayati and asks for 800 horses as he had to give them to his guru, Rishi Vishwamitra. King Yayati does not give horses but offers his daughter and says:
“She is my daughter. She is extremely beautiful and virtuous. She is desired by every male in three worlds. She can charm any Sur, Asur, Aryan or non-Aryan. I offer my daughter to you. You can sell her to any king and manage to have your gurudakhshina.” (Udyog Parv, section 115).
Realy if you know such things and still following Hinduism Than think where you stand brotherz:( plssss think and rectify your selve.
2).–The onlY religion which Teaches to be good with slaves our nabi Never Refused or beat any of his slave iF anyone give me one instanCe of his this deed I WILL LEAVE ISLAM– Hamare Nabipak S.A.W.S ki waja se islam ka ruTba sab se buland Hy..
Hinduism–
Even Rama…
Mr. / Mrs. (whatever) skphero,
Before making any lie about Mohammed, read this: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_the_Noteworthy
Islam is a religion which was accepted by no valuable man till date. Many scientists like Albert Einstein, Carl Sagan, Nicholas Tesla, even Erwin Schroedinger etc. praised Vedas. Think before you insult them. You explained history in Vedas. This shows your utter ignorance about Vedas. Do recheck your translations. Sorry, but I am unable to find any scientist / philosopher worshipping Quran. If you know, just quote what they said. Then only, Islam’s greatness will be accepted.
Regarding purity of women, You know – Mohammed married to Aisha – 6 year old girl and raped her at age of 9. Sahih Muslim 8.33.10 says that. He married to 11 others. Reply if you think that this shall be accepted. Also reply what science says about 12 marriages. Mohammed was one who started slavery in Africa. Check details online. Pls crosscheck your sources at least 111 times before making any comment.
May Allah bestow you peace.
Dear frnd Realy THe God is great:–
According to many Ahadith in Bukhari, it is believed Aisha participated in the both of Badr and Uhud battles. Furthermore, in Bukhari’s Kitabu’l-Maghazi, Ibn `Umar states: “The Prophet did not permit me to participate in Uhud battle, as at that time, I was 14 years old. But on the day of Khandaq battle, when I was 15 years old, the Prophet permitted my participation”. So, since it was not allowed for Muslims younger than 15 years old to participate in Uhud battle, Aisha, who participated in Uhud, must have been at least 15 years old in those battles; thus her age was at least 13 to 14 at the time of her marriage…this is the fact dear..and at that time your Hindu maharajas mariied to unlimited wifes what about that?? hear when The quranic verse arived that muslimz are allowed to marry 4 times only at that time the prophet already married 12times..but remember None of his wife had a single complain about him Can u tell me a complain?? who says slavery in africa pls dont say lie HE was a man who forgives his deadly enemies at FATAH e Mecca u say to him likethis… Fear from Allah and pls accept islam dear or i will not or anyone will not save u from the fire :/
@Sajid
No, you dont. Islam doesnt believe in ONE GOD. You have many gods. Besides Allah, you have to believe in Mohammad as well. The status of Mohammad is that of a god. Tell me, can you believe in Allah alone without believing in Mohammad??
vik Dear i onlY Belv in one Allah Dear– Muhammad S.A.W.S is The prophet of Allah We donoT worship Him dear we oNly oBey h1m — I swear That Frndz– we Follow The TeachiNgz of muhammad S.A.W.S and HIS teching is to worship The only one AlmiGhty Allah— pls U to believe only at one Allah This Definately makes u feel Glad And Summarise all of your Troublez
@Sajid
my dear, many places of the Quran are present where Allah says, obey ME AND MY SLAVE (MESSENGER = Mohammad), so why not obey Allah alone???? When Allah is telling you to believe in Him and his rasool, then he is forcing you to commit shirk Himself. Ok, tell me, will you go to heaven if you believe in Allah but no prophets??
Why you choose IslaM? pls mere Hindu bhaioun bura nhn manyega mgr such yahi hy apkhud compare krlenyar–for any answer [email protected].
1)–The onlY Religion Who Teaches to respect women and ask women to Hijab that’s why They protect their selves from Bad ones–
Hinduism:–
In the Rigveda, there are numerous places where gifts of beautiful girls as salves are made to saintly persons. For example, Rigveda 6/27/8 mentions Abhyavarti, son of Chayaman, presenting a gift of slave girls stuffed in two big wagons to Rishi Bhardavaj.
The Mahabharat (Adiparv 220) also reveals that slaves, especially women, were given as a part of the dowry to the bridegroom. Krishna, in his sister Subhadra’s dowry gave along with other objects, “one thousand fair complexioned, charming damsels with lustrous hair and adorned with gold and who were good at serving.” These beautiful women were to be treated as slaves or even as harlots. Mahabharata narrates an incident in which Rishi Galav goes to king Yayati and asks for 800 horses as he had to give them to his guru, Rishi Vishwamitra. King Yayati does not give horses but offers his daughter and says:
“She is my daughter. She is extremely beautiful and virtuous. She is desired by every male in three worlds. She can charm any Sur, Asur, Aryan or non-Aryan. I offer my daughter to you. You can sell her to any king and manage to have your gurudakhshina.” (Udyog Parv, section 115).
Realy if you know such things and still following Hinduism Than think where you stand brotherz:( plssss think and rectify your selve.
2).–The onlY religion which Teaches to be good with slaves our nabi Never Refused or beat any of his slave iF anyone give me one instanCe of his this deed I WILL LEAVE ISLAM– Hamare Nabipak S.A.W.S ki waja se islam ka ruTba sab se buland Hy..
Hinduism–
Even Rama received such slaves as wedding gifts from King Janak when he married Sita. This is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan, Baal Kaand, Sarg 74, shloka 5. The duty-conscious (maryada…
@ skphero,
Let us examine your so called holy book – quran
Homosexuality was and is widely practiced in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them per-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get “rewarded” by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.
Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.
Instructions to Muslims about Unbelievers
Koran 9:29
Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.
So here Prophet Mohammed is instructing a true Muslim to fight people of other religions until the unbelievers debase themselves and pay tax for their existence. So the greatness of Islam is revealed only when follwers of other religions are humiliated.
Koran 8:12
Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them.”
Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture and kill Kafirs if they don’t follow Islam.
Koran 9:5
“Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers to kill the idolators in any brutal way possible until the idolators submit themselves to Islam. Allah is indeed merciful !!
God regards women as inferior to men
• 37:149-155 Now ask them their opinion: Is it that thy Lord has (only) daughters, and they have sons?- Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? Is it not that they say, from their own invention, “God has begotten children”? but they are liars! Did He (then) choose daughters rather than sons? What is the matter with you? How judge ye?
Will ye not then receive admonition?
Stay away from menstruating women
• 2:222 They ask thee concerning women’s courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by God. For God loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
Women are sexual objects
• 2:223 Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;
Women have less rights, lower legal status than men
• 2:228 And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise.
• 2:282 get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.
• 4:11 God (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females
• 4:176 They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. … if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female.
Men can marry up to four women if they treat them equally; unlimited forcible concubines permitted
In Islam, not only are men allowed to practice polygamy, but they may also capture women in war and use them as sex slaves. This is considered morally legitimate according to the Quran. In other words, non-Muslim women have no right to be free from the horror of slavery and serial rape by Muslim military men.
• 4:3 Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
• 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess
• 4:25 If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess
• 23:1,5-6 The believers …. abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
• 70:29-30,35 And those who guard their chastity, Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed, … Such will be the honoured ones in the Gardens (of Bliss).
Muhammad can go beyond the four-wife restriction, can treat his own wives and sex slaves unequally
• 33:50-52 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only
for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. Thou mayest defer (the turn of) any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose (turn) thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to
the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction – that of all of them – with that which thou hast to give them: and God knows (all) that is in your hearts: and God is All-Knowing, Most Forbearing. It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things.
Nobody can marry Muhammad’s widows after he is dead
• 33:53 And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen:that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should… marry his [Muhammad’s] widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in God’s sight an enormity.
Muhammad’s wives should stay in their houses
• 33:32-33 O Consorts of the Prophet! … stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; Muhammad decides to marry his adopted son’s wife, despite objections The prophet Muhammad forced his adopted son, Zaid, to divorce his wife so that Muhammad could marry her. This was scandalous for the community, but Muhammad claimed he did this because God told him to, and he told the Muslims they had no right to question his decisions. Most people thought the real reason was because Muhammad lusted after a married woman and used his authority over the community to do whatever he desired, which seems like a more likely
explanation.
• 33:36-39 It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of God and thy favour: “Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear God.” But thou didst hide in thy heart that which God was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear God. Then when Zaid had
dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee [Muhammad]: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And God’s command must be fulfilled. There can be no difficulty to the…
There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in what God has indicated to him as a
duty. It was the practice (approved) of God amongst those of old that have passed away.And the command of God is a decree determined. (It is the practice of those) who preach the Messages of God, and fear Him, and fear none but God. And enough is God to call (men) to account.
Muhammad can divorce his wives whenever he wants and get new ones who are more submissive
• 66:1-5 O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which God has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. God has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and God is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom. When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another),
and God made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, “Who told thee this? “He said, “He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things).” If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly God is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels – will back (him) up. It may be, if he divorced you (all), that God will give him in exchange
consorts better than you,- who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to God in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or virgins.
Mr.skphero,
Your Comment – “Rigveda 6/27/8 mentions Abhyavarti, son of Chayaman, presenting a gift of slave girls stuffed in two big wagons to Rishi Bhardavaj.”
You are misguided by some fake scholars – Rigveda 6/27/8 does not have even a far related meaning as you explained.Please quote the mantra in Sanskrit.
Your quote from Mahabharata and Ramayana :-
Before commenting on these books you should first know what is the purpose of these books.Indian itihasas (epics) give events in the life of individuals, family and society. They give ‘if something is done in such and such ways what will happen ‘. The analyses of adopting the messages from these events should be done by the reader and take whatever messages are relevant in individual/ family /social / national life. In short read the events and take the messages. Why such events are written ? The answer is we do not have enough time in our life to experience and experiment all the events, find out the good and bad and then take the selected good only. So the alternative method is to analyze the good and bad events in the life of ideal persons/ family / society and then take the good from there. That is what is done in the two itihasas Valmiki Ramayana and Vyasa Bharata.
Conclusion – There are a lot of fake religious scholars now a days who are intended to denigrate our heritage and books.Before following blindly these fake scholars i request you to go through the Sanskrit slokas/mantras and clear your doubts from a Sanskrit scholar and then publish it or come for a debate.
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@ Skphero
Please read the above quotes from Qur’an. You can find the adulterated Itihassa and Purana are far better than your unchanged Qur’an.
skphero,
I have nothing against you but against evil factors shaping your perception. Quran is a fake book. After Mohammed’s death, Satan wrote Quran. That is truth which you won’t understand. Anyways, read this:
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_the_Noteworthy
Abandon stupid cults like Islam. Don’t show us idiot websites like your favourite islamic city. That is only made by fanatic idiots whom the world calls Muslim / Momin. This is not my voice alone but those of world’s greatest scholars. They are not against any religion but against Islam. How many mouths will you shut? Go go go… You Momins are definitely, psychopaths as you boast about quantity. Oh Muslim – do your body checkup === Family suffers from AIDS (hell lot of homosexuality) + ill intentions. A momin enters paradise after sending everyone else to hell. I challenge YOU – can you speak of QUALITY? How many scientists Quran generated? – 0. How many technological innovations (other than atom bombs) take place in Muslim dominated nations? – 0. How many valuable minds Islam generated? – 0. (These are words by Lord Tabbit, not by me. Check bbc news for details.) I can count 200 NON Muslims from each of category – can you count 70 from each? Sorry if you feel offended but just getting curious. This is the challenge no Muslim ever cleared. Since you are knowledgeable, please shut my mouth & clear the challenge. Else. see you at the day of judgement.
To praSad—-your stupid theme 4 sexual object women this Reflects ur evil thinking u fakeman Quran only boost up the character of women not Down Read quran u definately know and also HADITH shreef… First of all prasaD let i tell u Tell me “”CAn u DEliver a chilD””????tell me as u mention a Quranic verse 228:2 which ?Allahpak says Man are superior than women.. now tell me is u are beaten by ur wife?? is u have a weak character and other things which women have??? anY one in the islam Gives equal right to women Dear NOT LIKE hinduism which Delivers Devil act like SATTI and other corruption with women>>>> ShodaR women are treaTed how U know that Dont tell Quran Wrong or u definately be punishEd now to my muslims womens all Dears if u want ur rights and 1 GOD sustainer come to islam…
@skphero ,
Don’t loose your temper.What i wrote is from quran.Try to accept it or write the quotes from your quran against all my quotes one by one and prove my claims are wrong.
Instead of shouting what public or a society did show the verses from authentic books and come for a debate else shut up and listen what we wrote.
nabi ko jo chahen khudaa kar dikhayen! imamon ka rutbaa nabi se badhaaen!!
sadaa khaankahon pe chadar chadaen! majaaron se din raat mangen duaaen!
tauheed mein kuch khalal isse naa aae!!
na eemaan bigde na islaam jaye!
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agniveer ur all arguments are wrong and i can refute all if u allow me and also tell me aryasamajis are vegan if they take milk, cheese etc? allow me i can give u nice response.
@ Milk is not Veg:
If Milk is Non veg, Salt is also non veg.. so???… Humans come under “Mammals”.. mammals have Mammae (Breasts).. Males have rudimentary mammae and females have fully developed lactating mammae… and Lactation is Naturally Meant for Mammals… so we are naturally entitled to drink Milk.. and when it comes to eat food we should eat Plant food.. We are naturally plant eaters and milk drinkers.. Drink Milk and Eat Plant food… no need to Slaughter animals for food!.. Simple!! 🙂
@atman, @ Milk is not Veg:
If Milk is Non veg, Salt is also non veg.. so???… Humans come under “Mammals”.. mammals have Mammae (Breasts).. Males have rudimentary mammae and females have fully developed lactating mammae… and Lactation is Naturally Meant for Mammals… so we are naturally entitled to drink Milk.. and when it comes to eat food we should eat Plant food.. We are naturally plant eaters and milk drinkers.. Drink Milk and Eat Plant food… no need to Slaughter animals for food!.. Simple!!
ANSWER:would u like to talk what we can have naturally? go to vedas promote hatred and crime II i have given sufficient arguments. first try to answer them and if u want fresh then ask agniveer to allow. brother it means u are not vegetarian. if u agree that what u can eat u should then u will run from here. hahaha no need to salughter ok i agree, so brother u can eat meat it is natural and yes no need to slaughter, u are too humble to animal, then u can eat dead animals meat???????
@milk is not veg
Human can no claim themselves Veg perfectly. But We should try our best to avoid non-Veg because
http://agniveer.com/621/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-39302
As we tried our best not to commit mistake but mistakes happen. That does not mean we should not try to do perfectly the things.
@ Milk is not Veg:
I am a Vegetarian.. i eat Plant food and I am a Mammal too so i drink Milk.. We can have discussion on Forum.. if you want we can discuss there.. and brother eating meat is not Natural.. i dont NEED to eat meat in the first place brother.. so where does the question of eating Meat slaughtering an animal or of a dead animal arise?..
@atman, now u switched to NEED? hahaha. how could u say it is not natura? and even a dog puppy suck milk because he is mammal then later he eat meat so where is ur mammal and natural theory hahaha. u r kis. go and play anywhere else. you drink milk because u r mammal but u cant eat meat because u r ????? what about dog mammal puppy???
@ Milk is Not Veg:
Mind your language Brother… I am talking to you nicely so you too talk in the same vein ok… Tujhe Achha admi samajh kar baat kar raha hun to tu bhi theek se baat kar samjha na! You give example of a dog.. Even cow is a mammal and it eats only Plants even after growing up… so why should humans eat meat??.. Being Mammal doesnt mean humans are Meat eaters.. We drink Milk because we are mammals and we cannot eat meat because we are not Carnivorous.. We are LactoHerbivores!! If you are trying to prove that Humans are Omnivorous then again you are wrong… Omnivores like Cats Dogs Pigs eat dead animals too… then why u being an Omnivore can’t eat dead animal’s meat like cats and Stray Dogs??? Stray dogs are omnivorous and Pigs (naturally omnivores) ..they even eat shit and they can digest it too… Why dont you try that being an Omnivore?? Cats and Dogs are said to be Naturally Carnivorous but because they can eat Veg food they are now being called Omnivores but that is not true because Natural Anatomy says they are Carnivores.. Similarly just because humans can eat meat doesnt make us Omnivores.. If you smoke occasionally you will not harm your lungs at all .. that doesnt mean lungs are meant naturally for smoking…we are naturally herbivorous and being Mammals, relationship to lactation is natural… and how can you say Humans are Natural Meat eaters??? Please prove! Go and refer Human Physiology books of Medical students… you can read this too for comparison http://www.earthsave.ca/files/anatomy.pdf
@atman, i have not abused u, then what is the problem? If any of my comment hurt u then i am sorry. I again say that i have given sufficient examples in veda promote hatred 2, first read them, i have given examples from text books. U may be a student of art but u cnt be student of biology. See what u are saying that u are lacto herbivore, no aryasamji accepted here even apoloreach. U are mammal so u drink milk and u r not carnivorous so u cnt eat meat? Brother mammals are both carni and herbi even omnivorous then y u dnt drink milk assuming urself mammal and eat meat assuming urself carnivorous? You cn see naturally no mammal take milk when it is mature and it is only human who steal other species milk. You try to give milk to a mature mammal and see which mammal wil drink it, Carnivorous mammal or herbi mammal and let us knw. U said u r herbi, do u knw who is herbi? A herbi mammal eat gras and digest it can u digest grass? And who said that u cant eat dead animal? Even i always say to aryasamajis that no need to kill animal simply eat dead animal. First read what agniveer has writn in dr zakir and halal meat and my cmnts in veda promote hatred 2 , then cmnt here. I want to talk on polygamy in hinduism.
@atman, now u switched to NEED? hahaha. how could u say it is not natural? and even a dog puppy suck milk because he is mammal then later he eat meat so where is ur mammal and natural theory hahaha. u r a kid. go and play anywhere else. you drink milk because u r mammal but u cant eat meat because u r ????? what about dog mammal puppy???
Few months before in PAKISTAN a leopard came into a village of Khanpur and attacked and killed 2 kids and eat them and Paki Muslims of that village killed the leopard. As per MUSLIM LOGIC the LEOPARD WAS HAVING HIS PROTEINS AS ALLAH HAS GIVEN HIM PERMISSION TO HAVE HUMANS (LOL). I think ZAKIR NAIK will not have problem when his kids are eaten by animals they are just having their proteins.
@sameer, u have written, Few months before in PAKISTAN a leopard came into a village of Khanpur and attacked and killed 2 kids and eat them and Paki Muslims of that village killed the leopard.
REPLY: it is ur pseudo vegan diet which makes u so much fool, see few months back a tiger killed and ate many women in corbett tiger reserve park in India. The humble veg eaters who can not kill any animal to eat even they eat plant because it regrows and most of the time they pluck only fruits without harming the tree, you know what they did with an animal? you may be thinking that they have left the tiger to live his life?? no u are wrong buddy what they did they killed that tiger with stones when it was captured by forest guards. Even they beat tigers dead body with slippers would you like to see the pics?LOL…hahaha
@milk is not veg, I think eating camel’s meat had made your brain think like camel. Villagers of Corbett park had their maths right as they are vegans they know that eating flesh and that to of womans is barbaric so they killed the tiger. They did not think anybody is having protein by eating others.
Whereas the pakis of Khanpur justified their animal slaughter for food by saying that they are having their protein content but is not ready to see that the wild animal is also applying the same logic of having his protein so whereas the difference between man and wild animal.
@sajmeer,@milk is not veg, I think eating camel’s meat had made your brain think like camel. Villagers of Corbett park had their maths right as they are vegans they know that eating flesh and that to of womans is barbaric so they killed the tiger. They did not think anybody is having protein by eating others.Whereas the pakis of Khanpur justified their animal slaughter for food by saying that they are having their protein content but is not ready to see that the wild animal is also applying the same logic of having his protein so whereas the difference between man and wild animal.
REPLY: you know brother there are wild animals who are pure vegans then what is the difference you and wild animal? can u tell me any pure vegan? if u say that i dont take meat then its ok but when u say that human cant have meat and i am vegan and veda promotes vegan, human is vegan by nature then u are wrong. if are afraid of killing and u are too humble then u can eat dead animals. i have many arguments in veda promotes hatred and crime II first refute them. also clear ur stand first, i know aryasamajis can deny anything. you may say anything to prove urself right. u know many peoples are taking shradhs and they stop eating brinjal, cauliflower, tomato do u know why? because in some vegan there are non veg larvae which they can see so it is ie meat eating not allowed in shradhs. it means in normal days in the name of vegan u are eating non veg? so where is pure vegan.
@sameer. you filthiness is also can be proved that s per MUSLIM LOGIC the LEOPARD WAS HAVING HIS PROTEINS AS ALLAH HAS GIVEN HIM PERMISSION TO HAVE HUMANS (LOL)
answer me from where you have got that Allah given permission to have humans. you are group of liars, u can say any thing.
@Hey Milk Ha Ha Ha “BEER is best omnivorous animal” you made BEAR a beverage BEER (NICE LOGIC). Milk, if anybody thinks Cow’s milk is non veg then he can drink Soy Milk, anyway today’s packaged milk is mostly Soy Milk. TEETH is determining factor then muslims diet should be similar dogs and one of the most IMPORTANT POINT WHICH BROKE THE ZAKIR NAIK CANINE THEORY:
THERE ARE MANY HERBIVOROUS ANIMALS LIKE HORSES, WHICH HAVE BIGGER CANINE TEETH THAN HUMANS BUT ARE PLANT EATERS.
@Hey Milk I will give you a VERY GOOD SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE, which shows ALLAH HAS MADE HUMANS AS NATURAL VEGANS.
http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html
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Benoor,
Jaise johri hi sone ki parakh kar sakta hai, waise ek gadha dusre bada gadhe ko samajh sakta hai be gadhe. Aur waise uska toh band bajaa baraat hum nikal hi rahe hai gadhe, angrezi samajh nahi aati toh hindi section jaake padh gadhe sab samajh jayega
mnniy noor ji , hamne kuch prashn zakir ji se quran ke vishay me “e mail ” ke madhyam se puche the unhone aaj tak koi javab nahi diya ! tab vah matr ap jaise andhvishvasi muslimo se “dhan sangrah ” kar sakte hai ! bas yahi unka “priy shagal ” hai ! vah kuran ke achhe vakeel ho sakte hai, lekin satyvad ke pujari nahi hai ? yad rakhiye, vakeel jhuth ka sahara bhi liya karte hai !
“Atharva Ved 3.30.2 and Rig Veda 14.2.64 also appeal husband and wife to be devoted and faithful to each other.”
Dear Agniveerji,
Rig Veda 14.2.64 is incorrect citation. Rig Veda has only 10 Mandalas.
Regards
Namaste
I corrected it. It was Atharva Veda and not Rig Veda. I apologise for the typo.
Great work Agniveerji. Hats off to u. Only please check certain citations like Rig Veda 14.2.64, Rig Veda 10.185.20/10.185.23/10.185.47. Rig Veda 10.185 has only three mantras.
Thanks for pointing that out. I mistakenly put 85th sukta as 185. 14.2.64 refers to Atharva veda and not Rigveda. Dhanyavad
Dear Agniveerji,
Namaste.
I think Rig Veda 10.33.2 also condemns polygamy. The verse says "My ribs pain me on both sides , like rival wives:disease, nakedness, hunger, afflict me: my mind flutters like a bird'
Regards
Namaste,
Thanks for pointing that out. This clearly illustrates the perils of polygamy.
Exactly. Also almost all conjugal mantras are in dual-verb. You seem to be very knowledgeable. If you are keen, you could open an account on <a href="http://satyavidya.org” target=”_blank”>http://satyavidya.org and post your articles. We would be glad to publish and promote them.
Respected Agniveer jee,
Thanks for highlighting monogamous relationship ordained in the Vedas. However, in comparing the status of the women in the Vedas vis a vis in the Quran we should not miss other important issues such as pointed out below:
1. There are various Brahmavadinis in the Vedas against no female Pagamber or Rasool out of
124,000 Prophets sent on the earth.
2.Historically, virtually no -entry of females in Mosques against the majority of females’ presence in
Hindu temples throughout the history.
3. Absence of any female Maulvi Hafeez or fakir in Islam against their counterparts such as Gargi,
Ubhaya Bharati etc.
4. No presence of female courtiers in Muslim Badshah’ courts against almost the presence of queen
by the side of the male hindu kings.
5. The presence of such a heart renting custom as female genital mutilation to devoid the female of
her sexual pleasure against nothing like this to the Hindu girls.
6. The less highlighted point in Islamic marriage is its contractual nature against the total merger of
hearts in the case of Hindus. After marriage, the couple is supposed to participate in all the rituals
together to consummate it. The metaphors such as Ardhnareeshwar and ardhanganees speak a
lot about it.
7. Existence of only angels(I don’t know their genders) against the devis and devtas.
8. Birth of Role models such as Ram, Krishna and also, Durga, Sita, Savitri, Damayanti etc. who won
their glories by gaining divine powers. In some cases their husbands are known due to their wives’
fame.
10. A strict dress code for the Muslimas.
I would like to stress a a very important message to the Hindu sisters intending to marry Muslim guys. Nay it should be circulated to them with the above mentioned issues. They have been brainwashed that it’s not going to happen in India. However, they should be made to understand that as the population demography will be more and more tilting towards the Muslims, the above features are bound to be more and more pronounced. If the girl who is marrying today, is not undergoing thro’ these miseries, their sons/daughters or their progenies will have to face it. Will they be able to see the female genital mutilation of their daughters or the circumcision of their sons or their sons turning terrorists ? If they see it, it’s due to their folly today and of course the today’s Hindus in general. So, let’s wake up. It’s never too late and do the needful.
OM Shantih, Shantih, Shantihi.
I think, there should come up a few more articles on the status of women compares with that in the Vedas. Just one cannot accommodate all the comparisons as the issues are too many and varied.
agni ji,
there are few misconceptions mentioned here by satyen which i wud like to clear it up…again, plz think over these without prejudices,lets not harbor ill will….
1.yes there has been no mention of female paigambar or messenger…but we must also understand the times wen messengers were sent.wen the teachings of our most respected messenger, muhammed pbuh were disgraced and rebuked by the people of his times, he was tortured physically and had to live in abject poverty becoz his own people rejected him…do u think a woman cud had the courage to endure this?wud a woman’s message, which asked the people to leave their sinful ways be taken seriously??
2. we hav mosques which hav separate prayer hall for women..why, the biggest mosques of the world in makkah and madinah hav both men and women praying together…u can countercheck it…
3. yes there r no female maulvi but noone is discouraging them to rise to tht level…again there are female hafiz (one who knws the quran by heart)
4. that sir is a cultural aspect…islam does not prohibit women in big positions in society….its the society of tht times which discouraged and unfortunately it has stuck with islam.
5. sir thts the most obnoxious lie i hav ever heard…no female genital mutilation is practised in islam.
6. closeness and total merging of the hearts is the foundation of marriage..y shud islam prohibit it?
7. muslims believe tht besides us humans and animals, allah has also created beings which we huimans cannot see—they r the angels and jinns…they r only mentioned briefly in the quran and we do believe their existence, just like the excistence of omnipotent god..if these beings r not humans thn y shud we catogorize thm into men and women???is everything classified in to men and women–even something so powerful as god??y??
8.the prophets and their wives r our role models…prophet muhammed and wife khadijah, his daughter ayesha, prophet ibrahim and wife hajera…u can check their biographies on wikipedia.
9..dress code for both males and females in islam exists.but if its hindering in ur day to day activities u r free to alter thm to ur convenience..for eg..if a girl is having problem driving wearing a burqa, she can wear an overcoat or jacket and wear a head scarf..
sir, i request u and everyone to make this a peaceful and healthy platform for discussion and not resort to blind prejudices…islam is a peaceful religion, we r not barbarians…a few misguided muslims donot represent the whole religion..
peace to all.
@sona:
islam is a peaceful religion, we r not barbarians…a few misguided muslims donot represent the whole religion..
Sorry. You can bend backwards, jump up and down, scream at the top of your voice, etc. etc. but Islam and peace are as different as light and day. See the 7 sequences of videos beginning here, especially the 7th and final video where the audience votes on whether Islam is a religion of peace or not. Sorry, the results dont look good for you 🙁
Unless, unless of course, you have your own definition of the word “peace”. Please define it.
sir, there hav been recent news reports on human sacrifice by some hindu fanatics.but i dont think all hindus are like tht…they are peace loving and sane hindus too…
thn there was infamous swami nityanand…
wudnt it b absolutely wrong of me to say tht all hindus are crazy…????? becoz it wil only prove tht im an idiot if im judging the whole community on the the acts of such people….
plz try to understand my point of view..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE22jU3c9wQ&feature=related
@sona
point # 5, female genital mutilation IS practised even today in egypt and sudan, and it was captured on camera and shown on CNN. The labia major and the clitoris is cut , very barbarically by a barber (hajaam) and is considered a sign on adulthood in women. And it is done with specific purpose of denying pleasure to women during sex, so it is just mechanical activity for them not pleasurable. Please your denials cant hide FACTS.
There have been recent reports of human sacrifices by hindu fanatics. Well…..where did you get this info from? well….. I would personally LIKE to committ human sacrifices in front of kaali temple of all jihadi terrorists in India like ajmal kasab, afzal guru and assorted separatists in kashmir like geelani etc.
As an observer, I would agree upon the so called facts to all of us. I think the problem is with realizing the fact if there is any. The intension of revealing any holy verses by God, has probably been to guide and/or help the people.
I may be wrong in here and these are my mere thoughts:
There have been many differences between all the holy books and the followed religions – except for the FACT that all call for peace and harmony at its core. Everyone knows that simple Satwik approach will not help any society to survive but all the three ‘Gunas’.
Any textual study of any scriptures will not bring any changes to anyone but realizing by oneself. A story narrated by a story teller has an imagination and the audience will have their own imaginations of the same story and same word told by the same story teller. In this case, neither the preacher nor audience has the same picture created in mind. But how about a movie is shown to a group of people? All see the same pictures, colors, events etc – everything is same though their interests and understanding levels could be different. However, the movie director or story writer might have had different imaginations in their minds and what they could display on the screen is closer to their imagination as much possible and within their limit. Now, how about one shows his/her own thought and pass it on to another person to see it mentally – ie if we could see others’ thought and feel others’ feeling? Definitely that could be a fiction for common man at this point in time but at times we do really think that we feel others’ feelings as well. There comes the meaning for Guru and Shishya relationship and practice of Vedas (Veda-Vid-Vision-the insight).
Guru is not just a pandit or teacher, Guru even can be an illiterate in terms of academic studies but the person who knows his ‘self’ and God. Guru must be able to show the ‘vision’ to the Shishya.
We don’t even understand what our brain knows and what it communicates with all body parts. But it controls everything…
@Sona
Who is a Muslim?
Ans.The one who believes in Kuran or Allah or Muhammad
What does Kuran say?
Ans.Do free sex with any one,kill those who are nt muslims i.e. kafirs etc.
Is it bad?
Ans.Yes it is bad.
So every real Muslim is a bad one?
Ans.Yes, he is.
A big kafir Here name prasaD I don’t know why thisman says LIe about koran the best book and unchanged in the world..for all The Readers here I am so sad about this act of Vulgurness Dear prasad kindly request u why u did thaT say a ton of lies abt koran..is your religion teach u this..Shame on U.. u are misguiding hindu Brothers about koran..Afraid of Allah u lieR… your first Claim..Answer one:/
where u read homesex and other rape in quran Tell me..
as u first mention in surah Toor 52:24 young boys(which Allah creates separetly just for serving the JAnnaTis) will definately serve them… why not as Muslims avoid Sins in their lives so we will be awarded Dear.. AS Quran Says tell Them is GOOD and BAD equal? looklike u are jealous or u are a gay? don’t take it! hmmhmh
answer2: as u mention in 9:29 Definately Allahpak asking prophet to kill Non-muslims at thaT time who are really hurting theM by all means, 4 example killing Sahabas, throwing stones on prophet, etc Thatwhy Allahpak ask them to kill but That order was for that time? and it is aplicable onlY if the Kuufars are hurting u.
THIS IS ISLAMIC LAW HEAR ALL—
“If [non-Muslims] withdraw from you and do not war against you and offer you peace, God alloweth you no way to [to war] against them.” (Quran 4:90)…quran ask for peace my brothers as mention:–“Whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as though he had killed all of mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.” (Qur’an 5:32).in Hadith book prophet says “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person in ware.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).. This is islam not my frnd PRASAD’S one.. conT..
Read about Polygamy in Hinduism http://agniveer.com/polygamy/
Sir,
With all due respect I would like to know your opinion on the two wives of sage Yajnavalkya from Brihadaranyaka Upanishad.
Its described that he had two wives named Maitreyi and Katyayani.
i have read that he had to marry twice due to ‘certain reasons’ .
i did not find the reasons any where , yet.
further, one wife policy is upheld in the vedas, and to err is human. so we follow rishi yagnavalkya in acquiring vedic knowledge , but do not emulate his double marriage.
similiarly don’t emulate gambling by yudhishthira, etc
http://agniveer.com/polygamy/ http://bit.ly/d230z7
Dear Agniveer,
Just read this time of India article..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Women-outnumber-men-in-Kerala/articleshow/7844167.cms
Womens are outnumber men in Kerala..
The similar situation is prevaling whole of Europe,America .. Just google it.
First of put in your shit Mind… Pologomy is not complusory in Islam , its only a conditional…
But if the womens population outnumber mens then this is a practical solution…
Because creator knows the best…Not even your father can control this..
So stop blaming Islam and learn some thing…
Hamdam,
As per your instruction, I googled and this is what I found –
Countries Sex Ratio in few muslim countries
Afghanistan 1.049 male(s)/ female
Kuwait 1.526 male(s)/ female
Bangladesh 1.052 male(s)/ female
Malaysia 1.012 male(s)/ female
Egypt 1.017 male(s)/ female
Pakistan 1.045 male(s)/ female
Indonesia 1.001 male(s)/ female
Saudi Arabia 1.196 male(s)/ female
Iran 1.026 male(s)/ female
Syria 1.049 male(s)/ female
Iraq 1.024 male(s)/ female
Turkey 1.019 male(s)/ female
Jordan 1.102 male(s)/ female
UAE 2.19 male(s)/ female
Yemen 1.034 male(s)/ female
Source – http://www.fitnessfinger.com/Article/countries-sex-ratio-in-few-muslim-countries-235.aspx
So, the creator knows the best ! Can your father stop it…
@amitesh,see the list where men are more than women and use ur brain y? these are countries where peoples specially men go for job. also in iraq and afghanistan war is continue and as u know that in war men are main target how could there men be more than women as shown by u? are ur brothers killing only muslim women? is this not enough to show that the which u r refering is wrong? ok see the list … Saudi Arabia 85 Oman 82
Bahrain 81
Maldives 69
Kuwait 65 Qatar 50
United Arab Emirates 46
source http://ngureco.hubpages.com/hub/Countries-with-More-Women-than-Men-List-Of-Countries-by-Sex-Ratio-and-24-Million-Chinese-Facing-Singledom also u can see in this site that in rest of the countrries woman and man ratio is almost same ie 100:100/99/98.
Namaste Hamdhan
Please visit http://satyagni.com/4131/zakir-naik-on-polygamy/
Hope you will learn something …
Dear MOHAMMED = …
Please change your name. Name on your earlier comments would appear as MOHAMMED henceforth.
Thanks
AryaMusafir Sir,
Well, I have a doubt. The word Arya is a Sanskrit word while Musafir is an Urdu word. So, are you Hindu OR Muslim?
Anyway, please forgive me if you were offended by my previous title – I did not mean that. My goal was to educate Mohammedans. I know that the approach was offensive but definitely less offensive compared to Quranic views on a Kaafir.
I believe that terrorism is nowhere permitted in Islam. It is Mohammed who legalized it. So, terrorism owes its origin to Mohammedanism. And why only me – Christians call Mohammed a false prophet and Jews don’t consider him any prophet. I have a different approach and call him prophet of Satan. Even Ali Sina agrees that Mohammed was an evil pedophile. The book on Satan’s trinity by C H Martel is very famous. Many Muslims quit Islam worldwide because they are good and cannot handle criticisms they face due to evil Mohammed.
Frankly speaking, I don’t believe in any Allah but do respect humanity a lot. So, I attacked on terrorism. Sorry, if you feel offended.
Dear Indian Atheist
1. I am follower of Vedas. I chose this pen name after the Legendary Arya Musafir Pandit Lekhram, one of the founding fathers of Shuddhi movement in India, who was stabbed by fanatics in 1897, in undivided India’s Lahore. He used to travel a lot for Shuddhi Programs and thus earned this title of “Musafir- The Traveler” in those days when Urdu was popular in India.
2. You did not offend me at all. It is all due to the strict guidelines for all website owners to remove any ‘objectionable’ content to any group. And of course, we can educate people in better ways.
3. We hold the opinion that Muhammad was a noble person but later his followers hijacked his peaceful doctrine to turn it into terror breeding cult. Violent verses of Quran and Hadith are all later day inventions of war mongers. So its high time that we educate our Muslim friends to follow True Muhammad by following humanity.
Thanks
Dear Aryas,
Polygamy in Vedas – Clear Evidences.
As yearning wives cleave to their yearning husband, so cleave our hymns to you, O Lord most potent. Rigveda 1/62/11
For like a King among his wives you dwell with your glories, as a Sage, surround and help us. – Rigveda 7/18/2
Indra has taken and possessed all castles, like as one common husband does his spouses. – Rigveda 7/26/3
“Boneless, pure, cleansed with the wind, brilliant, they go to a brilliant world. The fire does not burn their male organ. In Swarga they get plenty of women.” [Atharvaved 4:34:2]
“If Agni Jātavedas, as he bore you hence to the Fathers’ world, had left one single limb of your bodies, here do I restore it. Fathers, rejoice in heaven with all your organs!” [Atharvaveda 16:4:64]
Swami Dayanand also in his Yajurveda Bhashya of 28/32 gives the following advice to Vedic followers
“Like a bull impregnates the cows thus increasing the cattle, men also should impregnate women to increase the population.”
This means like one bull impregnates many cows to produce more cattle, similarly, a Vedic man should impregnate many women regardless of their number to increase the population of Vedic followers. This analogy also proves that polygamy is permitted in the Vedic religion.
Don’t run away my dear Aryaas by seeing this.More and more evidences are there.
See this too.
Brother, before challenging beliefs of someone else, why not see loopholes in your own belief first?
At least no other scripture contains grammatical errors.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20170899/Grammatical-Errors-in-Quran
Can you tell me why your Islam is so violent that you issue death threats to a prestigious award winning author who wanted to sell his novel, just because the book is named as Satanic Verses? Even today, it is banned. If you think that the book is wrong, why can’t you rationally refute it?
See, I can refute your all claims, but I am not interested in doing that. One thing I would like to say that get out of mentality of criticizing beliefs of others.
I request you not to waste your time in finding loopholes with other beliefs, rather spend your precious time to pray to Allah & support humanity. Thanks
@mohammed
Masha Allah brother, very good. Keep enlightening the kaffirs like this. Islam needs the person like you. Women are the property of Muslims not kaffirs. Only MUslim can produce noble children by doing sex with kaffirs women. They(Hindu) are kaffirs & they can produce only shatain aka kaffirs. Prophet (PBUH) also did the same. That’s why Prophet for giving good children to society did sex with women of kaffirs. That is a scientific way to control the population of kaffirs. If kaffirs population increase Islam may be get in danger.
Finally I pray to Allah all Muslim be united to make true the Hadith perdition of Gazwa-e-Hind.
Namaskaar AryaMusafir Achaarya!
Thank you Sir for initiating the Shuddhi movement and support humanity. One request, I would like to make here. do this in South too and educate everyone about Vedic humanity. And please answer this question too:
http://agniveer.com/3617/ishopanishad-mantra-3/#comment-67963
It is major confusion in this era. Please reply. If you can, please convey about the same to Agniveer Sir. Thanks
I think Dr.Naik should visit Saudi Arabia where almost every Saudi (Muslim) has more than 1 wife and atleast a mistress.
one saudi, 4 wives, 15 kids, 2 maids, 3 sheep, all in one vehicle. GMC suburban. General motors.
This is good, I always did wonder why Ram’s father had three wives, yet he had one. And those stories about the 16000 wives, they used to disgust me as a kid, until a cousin told me the same story as yours, of them girls being slaves.
At least Hinduism is so vague and everything you can’t make rules out of it and justify polygamy. There is the Manu Smriti though, and I think that scripture is pretty biased against women, but then again, I’ll haven’t read them yet, just quotes. Either way, its pretty disgusting how religion is used to justify vile practices in this world.
The population of women is definitely lower than men, whoever wrote that book needs to check up the facts.
Kudos for writing this.=)
@Liana
Namaste Sister,
Sister, only Vedas are to be followed as per hinduism and Vedas in no way discriminate against women or any other humans. Vedas promote equality of all human beings. As far as Manu Smriti goes, many verses have been adulterated and interpolated. SO all the verses that torment or abuse women or biased towards women are fake. As a true hindu (Arya), we should reject such scriptures.
All these stories of Shri Krishna having 16 000 wives are crap, hoax. Sister, logically think about it, Shri Krishna was a human just like me and you, do u think logically anyone can have 16 000 wives???
forget 16 000, no body can even have 1000 wives. These silly stories are all propagated by muslim fanatics like zakir naik, which proves that something called logic dont exist in their brains.
Lol, true, logically, 16 000 wives is pretty impossible, but don’t many hindu people believe that anyway? There are all those prayers about Radha and Krishna too, aren’t there? And that’s kind of wrong isn’t it, since he’s already married?
I suppose, though, through the ages, these stories get blown out of proportions, and people imagine them as they want it to be. And these days, what people practice can be the exact opposite of what they say they believe in, pray to, sing about etc.
Thanks for replying.=D
Many people believe in many silly things that are against Vedic principles.
Let me summarize the truth.
Shri Ram and Shri Krishna are our noble role models. They each had ONE wife. Please study MahaBharat to know the true reality of Shri Krishna, not Bhagavat Purana (this book has been badly corrupted and should be rejected whenever it denigrates or goes against Vedic principles).
There is no such thing as a “caste system” in Vedas. It was all man made crap as time progressed. Vedas promote equality of all humans.
Women are given the highest respect as per Vedas. Remarriage is only possible if any woman or man have lost a spouse. Not like islam where u can have a collection of women in ur house.
Vedas declare that there is only ONE GOD (ISHWAR), so all the claims of 33 crore gods or polytheism is a huge myth and hoax.
-“Marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one or one that your right hands possess. That will be
more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.”
That’s the quote from the Quran about marriage, and it is, at least to me, rather vague. Its how people choose to intepret it, and thus fight over it.
To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure I like the way, as a female, how religion has been used through the ages to supress women. Every single religious scripture in the world, at least the holiest ones now, is addressed to a man, telling him what to do with a woman.
Perhaps Hindusim long ago has been based on equal rights and such, but these days, people don’t practice it for sure.
I’m interested in the gods though. I had always supposed these 33 million (or was it billion?) gods were higher forms of people, more enlightened beings, in different planets, like Indra’s material heavan or Brahmaloka. At least, that’s what I was told growing up.
And above all these gods was the one God, Brahman. Hmm.
@Liana
Namaste Sister,
I suggest you read the article women in Vedas, which is also posted on this site. No religion in the world gives the best rights to a woman other than Vedas. Only Vedas tell us to treat women highly.
The hinduism you see today as been corrupted with the passage of time. Not only corrupted by hindus itself, but its even inspired by islam, christ, bhudd, and other cults.
To know the true hinduism, please explore Vedas, they are the only ultimate reality.
As far as multiple wives are concerned, it is a sick concept. How would you feel, if your father had wives beside your mother??? Most importantly, how would your mother feel, if her husband is being shared??
It is a good thing to support other women, but what is the need to marry them, cannot we help them as sisters and mothers???
We can even help those women get married, we can fulfil the duty of a brother.
As far as God goes, there is only ONE GOD, and that is it. Devi Devtas do not mean GOD. THis is a bad translation.
Devta means any entity we humans benefit from. Calling them helpers would be the best translations. And Devtas are never to be worshipped only respected, and their teachings should be used by us.
The living devtas are mother, father, spous, guru, and teacher. The non living devtas are fire, water, etc.
Of course polygamy is horrible thing, but you can’t deny that even people who called themselves Hindoo’s used to practice it. But yes, I do understand what you’re saying about true Hinduism.
Or you can help them as friends. I certainly do not understand the need to marry women to protect them too. We humans can really dream up vile concepts.
I read some of Mr Naik’s answers to why monogamy isn’t ‘practical’. Its pretty amusing. It seems that since america has more women than men, and supposedly 25 million men are gay, it’d be unfair for the extra women to have no husbands.
Well, he forgot the lesbians. =) And I quite doubt so many women are willing to marry non-americans in the middle east.
Well, I’m pretty sure Sikism expressively declares women as having equal rights, though that too, is corrupt nowadays, and Sikism did indeed originate from Hinduism.
Thank you so much for your answers, about the devtas.=) I’m definitely interested in reading further on about that, and about women in the Vedas. Are there any scriptures in Hindusim, addressed to women, about God and living life?
@Liana : Not sure if there are specific books on women. but you may look into vedicbook.com for vedas in full are avilable there with both English/Hindi translation.
Besides you may looks into the charactes on great Indian spiritual Women like Gargi,Lalleshwari and how they were revevred for their knowledge.
@Liana
here’s an artcile that i had bookmarked as it provides rig vedic references on the status of women as per vedas
http://ssubbanna.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/10/rig-veda-position-of-women-2-2.htm
hope it helps!
@Liana
Namaste sister,
Historically, yes, I agree even some ignorant hindus have committed polygamy, but again, hindus today do alot of things that are against the Vedas. Let us not judge religion by actions of people, but by scriptures. The biggest problem is that hindus today hardly follow Vedic teachings. For example, a stupid caste system, idol worship, denigrating women status, and many other things that are blatently against Vedas.
Over the years, we have all seen how good is Zakir’s research, it all his lectures are no less than any comic stage shows. It is a fact that there are greater number of men in this world than women, so should not Zakir recommend polyandry instead of polygamy????
Zakir says only countries like india have greater male population. But Zakir Naik has forgotten that UAE is an islamic zone, and its male population is triple compared to the women population, now you tell me, how can polygamy be followed in an islamic zone like this where there is greater male population????
I respect the idea of supporting divorced or other women, but what is the need to marry them???? Muslims are lustful, that is it. There is no sister mother relation in islam. Look at the history of Prophet Mohammad. Mohammad’s first wife was the age of his mother, and yet why did he choose to marry her????
Sikhism may give equal rights to a woman, but Vedic Dharma promises to give greater rights to women over men. Vedas consider women so pious and precious. There is nothing new any in religion including Sikhism that Vedas does not teach. The sad part is people stopped following Vedas and this lead the downfall of our hindu religion today.
I suggest you read Satyarth Prakash by Swami Dayanand and Intro to RigVeda by Swami Dayanand.
All other books of hinduism like Puranas, Ramayana, Manu Smriti have been subjected to many interpolations, so that is why is better not to read them because they might contain stories that denigrate women, which is strongly against Vedas. Only Vedas give a women the highest respect. In the Vedic times, there were many female rishis known as rishikas, who shared their Vedic wisdom with others.
Thank you for all the recommendations, I did read the article on women’s status in the Rig veda. However, if you look back till those times, even the Celts in Northern Ireland, the women there had comparitively equal rights. And going a even further back, the Spartans gave women a lot of freedom. So this was all pre-Islam and Christianity.
I still don’t think the position of women in the Rig Veda is that high. the still get a lower share of the family property, there was still the concept of dowry, in a way, and sons still seemed to be more valuable. Though, I suppose I can understand that if its an agricultural society, and stronger hands are needed.
Still, its 2010 now, its time women around the world get back for what they’ve suffered through the ages.
Thank you for taking all that time to explain and talk to me.=)
@Liana
if you would have read the 1st part of the article …it says the same in unequivocal terms
no matter what society you pick …it’s never been an entirely fair game
the MCP within me says that it’s probably because women are the creators and men the created ..so the responsibility of the creator is much more than the created 🙁
before you hit back..i would apprise you that the MCP has been shot dead by the end of this post
liana forget marriage lets meet and have a good sex.
@Liana I suggest you read this entire section by Agniveer to dispel this false notion that women aren’t treated that high in Vedic society:-
http://agniveer.com/category/objectives/woman/
Also, read this particular article of the above section to finally get get rid of any wrong ideas abt. the lower (or not so high) status of women:-
http://agniveer.com/1291/women-in-vedas/
@ Vik:
Don’t blame muslims for those scriptures…Its our own scriptures who have written this…
First accept the truth…and don’t blame others at any cost…!!!
@SSS
Who are you to decide which are “our own scriptures” and which are not? Those false scriptures may be followed by you but dont put us with your “our”. We are not part of your “our”. Anything immoral cant be the part of our Dharm. Any book going against humanity is never Dharmik. And whatever wrong is found in any of the book, we reject that.
@SSS
we only follow Vedas, and there is no such thing as polygamy. Vedas strictly promote that every man should only have one woman.
These crappy stories are from Puranas whom we reject when they oppose Vedic principles
Peace be upon everyone in the world and why only to Mr Muhammad.
Namaste
Am from Kerala. i Didint read any of our scriptures or Holy Books and i dont know my wordings are correct what i know am saying it. My grandpa used to read Ramayana for us when i was small boy. From that what i understood is King Dashrat, Married 4 wifes because, on his first marriage he dosint have child. for his kingship to carry on to next generation he married one more, but no luck likewise next two wifes also. at last he consulted with a priest and made Yaga somthing. (sorry i dont know how to say). after that only he got 4 children’s.
Now about Lord Krishna
His 16000 wifes. Its not actually his wifes, they are fully time devotes of Krishna. (For Eg : Nuns Sisters And Mother In Christian Church. The Oath they are taking at the beginning when the became full time devoties of Jesus Christ) thats what i am think about this matter
As salaamu Alainkum,
agniveer, can you tell what is shivlingam and is a part of your religion,Is kamasutra part of your religion.
Can i print books under your name educating idiot hindus that idol worshipping is against hinduism and remove all idols from temples and wash and clean the temples as it has become impure by idols..
educate hindus on what is shivlingam and what is kamasutra ..
So that India can become and advanced country as becoz of all nonsense worshipping has put India on back foot.
All other religious countries area all clean and quality of life is very good except India.
India is only religious country where people are senselesss and backwqrd..
@Muinz
Walaikum as salam
Can you tell me, why is Kaba in a shape of vagina? Is vagina worship part of your religion?
Before printing books for hinduism, first educate idiot Muslims that worshipping Kaba and Muhammad is against Islam and remove the idol of Kaba from Mecca and remove name of Muhammad from Quran as Mecca became dirty by Kaba idol and Quran and Kalma got impure by Muhammad’s name. Educate Muslims on what is Kaba vagina and what are hadith of Muhammad fondling his wives during their menses and how to keep 11 wives and go to them to have sex in the same night. Nothing can be more educative about Kamasutra than Muhammad’s life, I guess.
So that Islamic countries can become advanced as because of all nonsense vagina worship and Muhammad worship, they are still in 6th century.
U fool we never worship kaaba its our direction or kiblah and from hadees calipha umar standed on the kaaba and gave azaan and told this can never harm me or wil benfit me its just a stone which was built by prophet Abraham now will u stand on any of ur gods idol and sing the bhajan and if u say that we worship kaaba and it has idols inside then u r a ideal example of foolishness and i being a doctor recommends u 4 eye check up or u need a serious mental treatment ,u fool illetrate will u prove me that there is idol in kabah so apologise for it because if i abuse u in ignorance u will abuse my god because we muslims love our god and can give life 4 islam
@Md Afaque Ahsan,
you idiot, kaaba is the biggest idol of Mecca. Any object people bow towards while praying becomes idolatry. Muslims just show double standards by not considering it idolatry. I dont care if Kaaba is your direction, that is your excuse, even buddhists have their excuse to bow before an idol, every idolator has some sort of excuse to bow towards their idol, and yours is direction.
Standing on an idol is not a big deal, I stood on an idol too, moreover, some hindus can break their own idols, can you muslims do that????
Ok fine, I agree, you do not worship the kaaba, now please prove it to me, the only way of proving it is to go and hammer the kaaba into pieces, now tell me can you accept this challenge or not???
If you cant accept this challenge, then go label yourself as an idolator. Just as arabs destroyed many idols of pagans, you should be able to break the kaaba into pieces, so please go on.
My sweet brother all it depends upon ur niyat u before an idol have a niyat that this is a god and we in namaz say direction towards kiblah for eg.if u r giving alms 2 poor in the name of lord rama and u have niyat to show ur richness to others will lord rama except it ?no .The same applies with us we know in our heart that its a kiblah my honourable dear brother for eg. if u want to go to banglore from kashmir and train moves towards and train moves towards east continously will u ever reach bangalore ??and u know before kiblah was baitul muqaddas in bani israel that is a simple masjid u can look for it._And u know surah ikhlaas which is known as touchstone of theology by many non muslims religious expert it meaning is Kaho ki allah ek hai,allah eternal or absolute uska koi shareek nahi hai ,woh na kisi ko janta hai na kisi se janaa hai ,uske jaisa koi nahi !bye brother take care
@Md Afaque Ahsan
my dear brother, when did I say that I do not accept your reason of Kaaba being a direction or Qiblah, I agree with that, All I am saying brother, that regardless whatever reason you hold behind bowing towards Kaaba, you are still an idolator. Every hindu who bows before the statue of Ram, does NOT consider that statue to be Ram, but instead he/she is using it to simulate the real Ram. Although this is a Vedic site and we are against idol worship but I am just saying, that any idol worshipper u see, whether its a buddhist or ignorant hindu, they all in their niyats know that this statue is NOT GOD, but just using it to concentrate and impress the REAL GOD. Now the only difference is, that muslims say that Kaaba is for direction and buddhist and jains say that their idol is for concentration, both of you have different reasons, but ultimately and logically both of you are idolators. Brother, you have got to understand that idol is any physical object that we can touch and see, for example, picture, statue, mosque, mandir, house etc. So as long as one bows towards these idols, he/she is considered an idolator. Anyone whether its muslims, hindus, jains, budd, jews, sikhs, and christians, who bows before a physical object while they pray no matter what their niyat is is considered an idolator. Dear brother, I appreciate your politeness, and please do not get hurt by anything I say. I am just trying to prove my point.
Asalaam alaikum my muslim brothers and sister, just to make you clear the concept that we muslims just pray in the direction of kabba ,we dont worship Kabba ,instead we worship for ALLAH(S.W.T), if you are still not clear , only a mental hospital can help you better. 🙂
Look brother if its an idol it should be present in every masjid not only in arab It should be in every muslim house U can go and verify it .muinz is a bloody fool i know he herted ur religious sentiments.Actually mecca lies in the centre of the world so its a sign of unity That square solid rock is the sign to offer mamaz in a system and group that this direction u have to bow ur head even ur dharmguru acknowledged isjam and testify that this religion is on truth i have 2 respect that rock because its a holy rock buijt by abraham even in bible it is mentioned about that holy rock the kiblah of abraham and ismaij and why nt u quote the verses of veda where it is written about the coming of prophet muhammad which was even supported by shankaracharaya
@Md Afaque ahsan
brother, whether idol is located at one place or in every house, it doesnt matter. We are talking about quality here, NOT QUANTITY. For your information some muslims have the picture of kaaba in their living rooms. But again as I said, its about quality, whether you bow before one idol or ten million idols, idolatry is idolatry.
Direction and unity are just excuses, bowing before an idol is considered idolatry, whether you bow before kaaba in the name of Allah or you bow before Buddha statue in the name of Gautam Buddha, I hope you get my point. Your dharmgurus you are talking about are all fakes enslaved by Naik. And there is no mention of Mohammad in Vedas, search this site you will find an article debunking this myth.
All I know a true idolator will never break his idol, now my challenge still stands out clear, can you go and break the kaaba into pieces to prove to the world your not an idolator??? It doesnt matter whether it was built by Ibrahim or Ismayal, all i know it is an idol, and it should face the same consequences as the idols of the pagans did when they try to do idol worship. Until you do not go and break the kaaba, I cannot accept you as an NON idolator, it is simple as that!!
Quote ” agniveer, can you tell what is shivlingam and is a part of your religion,Is kamasutra part of your religion.” Unquote
Shivlingam appeared for the first time when lord vishnu said Lord Bramha his son and Lord Bramha denied to accept him as his father so they turned to fight each other and due to the immense power of their fight Shivlingam appeared , refer any of Puranas in creation part …..
Quote “Can i print books under your name educating idiot hindus that idol worshipping is against hinduism and remove all idols from temples and wash and clean the temples as it has become impure by idols” Unquote
No, you can print any book for educating hindus anything , if you want you can print a book named Islam stands for PISSSS, and educate your own muslim brothers to worship ALLAH in his true form which means that Allah is having a form and a figure as it is stated at several place is Quran that Allah has a Body …. specially idols are nothing but a rock whom we consider god just to concentrate but please be pure by washing away the bloods of all poor helpless animals and people whom you kill as kafir or for your taste …..
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Quote “So that India can become and advanced country as becoz of all nonsense worshipping has put India on back foot.
All other religious countries area all clean and quality of life is very good except India.” Unquote
Can you please name me few Islamic countries who are highly developed , but i can name you some who are ruined now a days like Pakistan , Afghanistan , Iran , Iraq , Indonesia etc .. These countries are highly under developed and needs to grow and refuse Quran as their signs and science and then you people will develop a lot …
Now coming to India , you must be aware that it has produced a benchmark in every field like Amitabh Bachan , Sachin tendulkar , Aryabhatta , APJ Kalam , Atal Bihari vajpayi and great scientist and scholars to today like ram Dev Baba whom whole world is folling for yoga … i hope you got ur answers and u must be peaceful now and more after following Vedas ……. Gud luck ///
@Rj3865,
Can you tell me where in Quran it is written “Allah is having a form and a figure as it is stated at several place is Quran that Allah has a Body”,if you guys dont know anything about ISLAM donot spread wrong rumours “.
@samantha francis
For Idol worship
http://satyagni.com/5062/islam-and-idol-worship/
Muinz,
To know more about Shiva linga visit here:
http://agrasen.blogspot.com/2006/11/truth-on-kaba.html
Instead of educating Hindus by books, try to educate Muslims with this book:
http://www.islammonitor.org/uploads/docs/unmaskingmuhammad.pdf
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Agniveer if u r a man and a legal son of ur parents then u should go for a debate to Dr zakir naik.If u r so knowledgeble then why r u here limited 2 a website not even known i accidently met u go and call Dr zakir naik for a debate infront of lakhs of people and u know my Friends younger brother 8 yrs old his name is Nischal know dr naik
@Md Afaque Ahsan
MR. Ahsan,
if you are a true follower of islam, then go tell that coward terrorist Zakir Naik to accept the challenge of Arya Samaj which has been pending since 2004. Why dont you google search “Zakir Naik challenged by Arya”, and see how Naik is scared to accept our challenge, till then do not show your face to us, until you get Naik to debate us
Why ur dharmguru acknowledged islam why he a fundamentalist hindu said that this is the religion on truth .why thousands of hindus are accepting islam and can u produce ur proof that a muslim convert to a hindu but there can be exception may be most of the muslims r nt fundamentalist .My friend manoj a hindu converted to a muslim and islam never allows terrorism this is only religion with humanity and i can prove i am nt gning tn abuse u as islam never permits it u are giving reference from quran out of context my brother u try to read quran positively and i wil cal u a brother whether u abuse me but dnt speak ill about allah if have problem u can speak ill to me
@Md afaque ahsan
have you heard of Anwar Sheikh and Maulana Mehboob Ali?? They were muslims then they accepted Vedic Dharma. Conversion does not justify truthfullness, many people are converting out of ignorance. Many people in arab countries want to convert to other religoins, but they are given the fear of execution since islam orders to kill apostates under the law of sharia if they leave islam and propagate other religions.
I can also accept some points of ved if its matches with quran and if u r telling that arab peoples wants conversion some of them they have not concrete imaan u test quran and some distinguished persona in 20th century fundamentalist were used 2 define christains but now muslims and the practising muslims are the most in the whole world may be with sheikh anwar falls in love with anybndy or may he was interacted with luxury and islam is not denoted by sheikh anwar he is zern in islam even i dr zakir naik is zero .Allah does not need our to superceed his deen he is alone enough we are doing this 4 our own reward and we want to save u to save ourselves so that u ppl will not say that nobody warned me and if i dnt say to any non muslim the haq then i am neglecting ur haq and i will also go to hell with u all
@Md Afaque Ahsan
dear brother,
there is no such thing as hell which will burn you. Allah or Ishwar are great, they only judge one by the deeds. Continue to love and respect all humanity, and always think good for everyone including nonmuslims, you will attain heaven over here on earth, because the real heaven is here brother. All your knowledge about islam is from the Quran which is fake. Brother, tell me one thing, did Prophet Mohammad compile the Quran?? Do not forget that Quran was compiled after Mohammad left this world and at the same time there were riots going on, so how can you trust such book to be authentic? Maybe arabs wrote all this stuff to scare people and gain power. Brother, just listen to your heart, and you will attain the reall Allah, the true Allah, the Allah whom Mohammad believed in.
The quran is preserved as it is 1400 yrs before and will be preserved forever allah says in surah fussilat ch 41,v 41 Verily ,those who disbelieved in the reminder (i.e the quran)when it came to them and verily it is an honourable book and allah took it s responsiblity to protect it from corruption .now just think scientifically 1400 yrs ago science was not advance it was limited 2 architecture only .Quran told that earth rotates it says that moon has not its own light it says about big bang theory it says about our body biology it say about galaxy It says abt stars it says atoms and many other scientific terms u can read surah al ambiya which prove and u can match quran 1400 years ago and today in many musuem and i dnt know frm where u get all these wrong references even 80%of scholars of religion ,and science consider it as allah’s book even research is taking place and alhamdurillah dr adam pelsin says “To adam be a sincere that pepole who worry that one day nucleary weaponry will fall in the hands of arab they say to realise that the islamic bomb has alredy been dropped it fell the day prophet muhammad was born” ….even i have a 150 yrs old quran and global warming and moon coming closer are discovered a few dacades ago ..i think U consider u better scholar than all but so sorry 2 say i have never heard abt u as Vik a scholar of hindu religion .science without religion is incomplete and religion without quran is laime islam is the religion in which peple are getting more than any religion in nearly every part of the world Because islam is logic islam is wisdom it is humanity just dnt test peple test quran and read it just as a book and u wil get the result nearly every educated person and logical person acknowledge islam i wnt 2 end my conversation }……lailaha illallah no can be worshipped except allah …..this dot before and after means allah mean is only one and alone master of the world
@Md Afaque Ahsan
Quran is preserved? How do you know that? Just because a bunch of mullahs have been shouting off of their lungs that Quran is preserved?
Do you have the very first written and compiled Quran??????
Were you there when Quran was being dictated by Mohammad?
Did you see it getting writtten and compiled?
Did you compare each verse or ayat to see if its changed or not???
By your logic, even Bible and Torah are still preserved today. No christian will ever say Bible is corrupted and no Jewish will ever say Torah is corrupted. Everybody will point fingers at one another to gain supremacy. If you show scientific errors in their book, they will show scientific errors in your book and you will keep saying that they are misinterpreting the verses and the debate will keep going on. Brother, its better if we compare each religion in terms of LOGIC.
As far as science goes, Vedas contain more science than Quran, what have you got to say about that? As per your claim, if Quran talks about earth revolving, then I would like to tell you that Vedas talk about all 9 planets orbiting the sun, any reply?????????
Vedas talk about construction of aircrafts and boats, Vedas talk about electromagnetism, and even Quantum physics, now you tell me which Scripture is more scientific???
Yes, your right, only Ishwar is worthy to be worshipped, but islam orders you people to associate Mohammad’s name along with worship which I cannot do. I only worship Allah/Ishwar but I do not want to take Mohammad’s name along with Allah otherwise this is shirk as per Vedas. Only Ishwar alone is to be remembered at all times without associating any prophet or rishi’s name.
So now you tell me, who is worshipping God alone? Me or you?
You take Mohammad’s name along with Allah’ name, but I only take Ishwar’s name at all times for example, I always say only Ishwar is to be worshipped, but you say none is worthy of worship except Allah AND MOHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER. See the difference, I cannot say the Mohammad part. I can respect him as a prophet but taking his name along with Allah goes against my will.
Namaste MD Afaque Ahsan
These two for you
http://satyagni.com/3118/miracle-islam/
http://agniveer.com/3902/science-zakir/
To prove Quran is the word of GOD:
Very interesting findings of Dr. Tariq Al Swaidan might grasp your attention:
Dr.Tariq l Swaidan discovered some verses in the Holy Qur’an That mention one thing is equal to another,i.e. men are equal to women.
Although this makes sense grammatically, the astonishing fact is that the number of times the word man appears in the Holy Qur’an is 24 and number of times the word woman appears is also 24, therefore not only is this phrase correct in the grammatical sense but also true mathematically, i.e. 24 = 24.
Upon further analysis of various verses, he discovered that this is consistent throughout the whole Holy Qur’an where it says one thing is like another.
See below for astonishing result of the words mentioned number of times in Arabic
Holy Qur’an Dunia (one name for life) 115.
Aakhirat (one name for the life after this world) 115 Malaika (Angels) 88 . Shayteen (Satan) 88 Life 145 …… Death 145 Benefit 50 . Corrupt 50 People 50 .. Messengers 50 Eblees (king of devils) 11 . Seek refuge from Eblees 11 Museebah (calamity) 75 . Thanks 75
Spending (Sadaqah) 73 . Satisfaction 73 People who are mislead 17 . Dead people 17
Muslimeen 41 . Jihad 41 Gold 8 . Easy life 8 Magic 60 . Fitnah (dissuasion, misleading) 60
Zakat (Taxes Muslims pay to the poor) 32 ……. Barakah (Increasing or blessings of wealth) 32 Mind 49 . Noor 49 Tongue 25 . Sermon 25 Desite 8 . Fear 8 Speaking publicly 18 . Publicising 18 Hardship 114 …. Patience 114 Muhammed 4 . Sharee’ah (Muhammed’s teachings) 4 Man 24. Woman 24 And amazingly enough have a look how many times
the following words appear: Salat 5, Month 12, Day 365, Sea 32, Land 13 Sea + land =
32+ 13= 45 Sea = 32/45*100q.=71.11111111% Land = 13/45*100 = 28.88888889%
Sea + land 100.00% Modern science has only recently proven that the water covers
71.111% of the earth, while the land covers 28.889%. Is this a coincidence? Question is that Who taught Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) all this?
Reply automatically comes in mind that ALMIGHTY ALLAH taught him.
Namaste @wellsaid
if this guys maths is right than 1 mans witness = 2 women’s witness is wrong
1 husband = 4 wives is wrong , law of inheritance is wrong
so many wrongs 🙁
@vik,
brother u say tht quran is corrupted and is not the direct word of god…yes we hav not seen it being gifted to the prophet nor do we hav any proof of it besides the mention in the quran itself.we blindly believe in the all powerful and omnipotent god nd if he mentions in quran tht he has taken the responsibility of prserving it for eternity.after all evn u believe in one god right? if He has proclaimed it who r we to doubt it? afterall god is powerful and all knowing..isnt tht wat vedas also say?
brother, i absolutely agree tht vedas is true as compared to the blind belief and faith followed in the name of hinduism.but y has the true message of vedas been distorted now?true idol worship is not mentioned in veda bt y isnt the true essence of such great scriptures been conveyed to the ignorant?brother, i also wud like to ask wat makes us so sure tht the vedas r not corrupted or adulterated? afterall they r older thn quran itself, and unlike quran vedas were only to byhearted by brahmins…so brother logically if quran is likely to b adulterated so is vedas, right? plz forgiv me if i hav sounded rude bt plz take this in a positive light.
and brother, its a misconception tht the kaaba is shaped like vagina..its a cube…i dnt see any similarity there..u cn read its dimensions on wikipedia…and brother the kaaba has been destroyed and changed number of times during the course of history..before it was only a smaal rectangular wall but now its a cube…i dont knw how to convince u tht its not an object of worship for us…it only represents direction…for eg…wen i pray at home i turn towards the position of kaaba, and , suppose there is bed in frnt of me or a chair or anything, it dosent mean im worshipping tht object…
u say tht if its not idol we shud destroy it as u wud destroy ur idol…but brother, the quran has clearly shown us wat has happenend to the people who tried to do tht thousands of years ago…evn after knwing tht its the gods house and is under the protection of god, how can i or any other muslim hav the courage to even think of doing such a thing??again im giving this line of reason soley thinking tht god is all powerful and we ordinary humans can never do anything to displease him….if we do so we wil suffer…isnt tht wat is called karma? again, i cud giv u these explanations only believing tht evn u r a true believer of god’s strength and oneness of ishwara…
plz do think abt it with an open mind and not restrict ourselves to prejudices…vedic religion is truth, so is islam…
thnk u…plz do reply brother.
@Md Afaque Ahsan
Proof on Qur’an has been distorted, perverted, revised :
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/ancient-qur%E2%80%99anic-manuscripts-of-sana%E2%80%99a-and-divine-downfall/
@ wellsaid
I suggest you to re-check Dr. Tariq Al Swaidan questionable finding at:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/op-ed/statistical-miracles-of-the-qur-an/
@Vik,
You consider yourself to be arya samaji, then for the sake of promoting your relegion why do you use the principles of Swami Dayanand ? just take a simple book with pages inside it and promote it.
what is the ideology of aryasamaj, is it just based upon criticising other relegions, let i be HINDUISM , ISLAM,CHRISTANITY,SIKHISIM etc and you think the relegion that was born just 100 years ago will overthrough the old relegions which are even 1000 years old,we are in one country so we have to show patience to other relegions, each and every person have there own beliefs,so just leave it upon them .
And Ms. Samantha that applies to the missionaries who are aggressively pursuing their surreptitious “harvesting of souls” agenda by playing the caste card to denigrate the hindu faith, and also the muslims who are also busy giving impetus to their “darul islam” movement.
@SDC,
please make it correct ,for ur kind information i am not bothered about what happens in missioneries as i am a muslim, that implies to you people also , who take the photos of swami dayanand and compare it with the lord rama and krishna which i saw with my eyes in small villages around delhi and also could you xplain that from where arya samaj has evolved it has evolved from hinduism rit , swami dayand was a hindu and he did nt formed up a relegion , he was a social reformer, it was you guys who made it a relegion, like you people are doin your work in promoting vedic relegion similarly darul ISLAM movements are doing there work, then why are you bothered about them.
Then at least do not use deceptive names, this gives out a false impression. But then why blame you, your religion legitimizes the use of treachery and violence for the propagation of the faith. And yes Dayanand was a hindu. Arya Samaj was only formed to go back to the roots of the faith, i.e. the vedas and to shield it from the attacks of the christians and muslims and also to stem the rot that was threatening the very existence of the faith itself which it succeeded in doing.
@ samantha :
“And even if we take your concept of father and son, if a son disobeys and disrespect his father for his whole life, will father love him or hate him?”
> Tricky. A lot of fathers will still love him as a son and would want him to improve his morals and be a better man no matter what. Many fathers won’t and would want him to burn in hell. Whose love is greater?
> “disobeys and disrespect the father: again tricky. what if in reality the son and his morals are correct? the father wants the son to act just like him, pray just like him all in the name of the family brotherhood? the son is okay with the idea of brotherhood, but he beleives that real brotherhood is in the mind and he can worship his God the way he wants without causing harm to others. But father says no. You have to be in the sitting room, you have to bow down 5 times a day, you have to face the TV or else it is tantamount to disrespecting me. Son asks, father I love you and God as well, so y all this show? Cant I sit in a corner and pray without bowing in TVs direction? nope-thats insulting me,says father. You will burn in eternal hellfire. Your skin will be roasted and replenished everytime.Your brother wil get a lot of virgins in heaven though. Think about this, son. and pass the message to rest of the family too.
Got it samantha?
@SDS,@Ashwin@ and my dear mr @aryavasrat
Look i got to know one thing that there is no point in making you guys understand what is right and what is wrong u be busy with your life and please dont give everyone a wrong preception about or lovely relegion,let you say anything abt our Prophet(S.A.W) or to our Allaha(S.W.T), you will suffer it one or the other day.by the why first correct editions of manusmriti , Mahabrata and all those relegious book then comment on our Holy Quran,first clear your concepts about relegion then try and make us understand.
And byt the way how suddenly vedic relegion came in to picture.acoording to you ISLAM, Hinduism, Buddism,jainism, chritianity, sikhism , all the relegions are bad, the best is your relegion :(,let mt tel you the concept of you relegion, if you will pick up one book of arya samaj, which are being circulated in the small towns of northern areas , Arya samaj has nothing on their own rather then criticising other relegion, because of your these habits your putting degrace to the Great personality like Swami Dayanand.
And to you mister ashwin make this thing clear that you are just a man and stands nowhere in front of our beloved Prophet (S.A.W ) and how can you even think of that, for you i have in Quran in Surah Baqurah 2:79
So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say, “This is from Allah ,” in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
Actually there is not point in discussing with you guys, you are just deaf and dumb people, who dont know about there own relegion but have to comment on other relegions.
And regarding my name you dont have to bother much, it’s my name and i will change it when my situation demands i dont have to ask ur permission for it from anyone,
And for the person who is Unleshing the legend within him i just have a big laugh 🙂
Agniveer
unleash the legend within
🙂
@samantha francis
If Vik & Arya Samaji protecting the humanity by opposing the ideology of (1)making women sex slave, (2) Killing of apostate (3) Marriage between fifty years old man & 6 years old child (4) Cursing the idolater & praying hell for them (5) Killing of beneficial animals for tongue test (6) Ideology that Allah lives on 7th sky if you say he was omnipresent (7) Consider woman half intelligent than Man (8) Gender discrimination by supporting of polygamy (9) Miracles & superstitions (10) Rituals like Kissing of black stone, make round 7 times of Kaba (11)Believe Allah is worship desirous 12)Ideology Allah is cruel enough to send to his children in eternal hell 13)Killing of fellow brother Shiya & Ahamadiya etc due to caste differences (14)Supporter of terrorist like Osama 15) Allah is weak enough could not protect his previous revelations 16)Ideology of not allowing good/noble people to enter into Kaba.
Brother We must oppose all of above said if we want to protect truth, Dharma & humanity.What u say?
@True Seek
It is not written anywhere in ISLAM to have women sex slaves, I don’t agree, if you have it anywhere written then please let we muslims also know.
Before describing the rationale behind this married relation, let it be known that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) married Sayyida Aisha not of his own desire rather it was a Divine inspiration. Read the following Hadith;
Narrated ‘Aisha:
That the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.”
{Bukhari :: Volume 5 :: Book 58 :: Hadith 235}
2-It was not out of his physical desires:
The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) did not marry Sayyidah Aisha out of his physical desires. One need to note that for first 54 years of his life he had only one wife. His only wife till 50th year of his life was Sayyida Khadija. He spent his entire youth with her and she was a two time widowed woman, 15 years elder to him.
The fact that it was a completely acceptable thing can also be seen from the response of the pagans at that time. No Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet’s marriage was:1-People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.2-Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many non-Muslim and Muslim countries
Sayyida Aisha never showed her displeasure:
Another striking thing to observe is that among hundreds of her narrations there is not even a single one showing her displeasure about this marriage. Hence, she had no problem with…
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Hence, she had no problem with this relation. Infect it is manifest from several traditions that she loved the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) too much and even felt some sort of jealousy when she found others around him. Does this not prove that she was extremely happy about this marriage? So, when she herself had no problem at all then what’s the matter of concern for others?
What you guys are doing you are also cursing Idolaters rite nothing different ? just bother about your religion rather than pointing at others
We guys are given omnivorous set of teeth by our Almighty to have non veg and veg as per our convenience , nowhere it is written in ISLAM to eat non veg only a person can be a good muslim even if he is a vegetarian and our digestive system can digest both veg and non veg not like herbivorous or carnivorous animals, which can only digest only there type of food and it is mentioned in Manusmirtit Ch5 V 30 and 31, that if you are killing any animal for a sacrifice it is not a sin, as Allah himself have created some animals to be sacrificed.
Mahabrata Anushasan parva ch88 where bhismapitamaah sys to yudhishtra “if you give herbs and sherbs the ancestors they will be able to survive for 1 month but if you will give red meat of goat or meat of rhinoceros they will have no limits they will be fully satisfied”
Considering GOD as Omnipresent is considered in ISLAM, if he is Omnipresent then only he can see his each and every living being and there deeds, if it is not considered in your religion then this not our problem.
@truth seeker
The Messenger of Allah once said to a group of women: O Women, give charity. I see the majority of those in hellfire to be women. They said: why is it so, O Messenger of Allah? He said: You rebuke a lot and you are disobedient towards your husbands. I have not seen any one who has more influence on an intelligent and sensible man, than you, although you are deficient in intellect and religion. A cautious, sensible man can easily be led astray by you. The women asked: O Allah’s Messenger, what is deficient in our intellect and religion? He said: Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man? They replied in the affirmative. He said: This is the deficiency in your intelligence’… ‘Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menstruation? The women replied in the affirmative. He said: This is the deficiency in your religion.”
They give the following explanation to the above hadith
In this narrative of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, according to a normal principle of the classical Arabic language, some words have been suppressed. The words “Naqisa’tul-`aql wal-deen” translated as: “deficient in intellect and religion” have the noun “umu’r” suppressed. The complete phrase is: “Naqisa’tu umu’ril-`aql wal-di’n” or “Naqisa’t fi’ umu’ril-`aql wal-di’n” i.e. “deficient in responsibility in matters pertaining to intellect and religion.
If I being a girl has not much problem what is your problem ?
The Quran says marry women of your choice one or two , three or four but donot marry if you cannot do justice between them marry only one, there is no other book on earth that specifically says that marry only one
If every women in america gets married still there won’t be another 8 million who would be husband, what is the better solution to give them a good husband rather than being treated wrong by other men
For the question of we muslims kissing black stone in kabba.
People use to kiss black stone The reason is as…
For your question to Allah sending is children to eternal hell.
Allah has no brother no son, no daughter no father for your kind information , by saying this even you became an idolater which you say you are not as according to you GOD should have sons and daughter , please clear your concepts about the Vedic religion then be the one to comment on ISLAM.
And even if we take your concept of father and son, if a son disobeys and disrespect his father for his whole life, will father love him or hate him ?
No true muslim will support terrorists who are killing innocent people .
Allah is not weak enough to preserve revelations is absolutely false , he did that because his people should accept his ne rule rather than following his old rules, tell me one thing do you still have the book of the nursery class in which you wrote ABC , because you were been taught newer and newer things that doesn’t mean that you will forget the older parts but you will upgrade them with newere thought and will eliminate those which are newer
And regarding the noble people like you entering kabba : If you are interested in ALLAH and his thoughts and are being disrespectful to him why are you interested in entering his holy place. If you are his men then only you are allowed to enter kabba, like for eg you are allowed to enter specific areas of Army only if you are an army men .
And your name is really suits You dear true seeker first seek true knowledge then comment on other religions
This is the height of idiocy or dhimmitude, whatever you would like to call it. You as a girl have no problems with polygamy and the onus of being loyal in a relationship rests entirely on the shoulders of the women folk and the men are given a free hand with lollipops such as sex slaves, multiple wives, muta marriages, easy divorces, and this seems to go well with you. I wonder if you really are a woman or not, and in case, you are, I am truly amazed at the kind of indoctrination that has rendered you deficient in intelligence. Well, I do not blame you entirely bcoz the religion that you practice really seems to have an deleterious effect on one’s intellect. And by the way, your opinion is not reflective of all the women folk. There is divergence of opinion in this regard. There are free thinkers unlike you who seems to be of a sadistic kind. You are well within your rights to be a slave, you do not have to thrust such degrading and depraving practices onto others.
Seems not Momins have to pose under western names and enforce Zakir ideology.. “Army Areas..” 🙂 pathetic.
@ Samantha : Actually I am a paedo. I saw your 6 year old daughter the other day in the children’s park . Lo & Behold : The All- Merciful has given me a divine revelation that it is all right to marry her and satisfy my urges !! Now dont question me y Allah didnt reveal this to you too. Revelations are meant only for the special like me. So you have to accept this. Who are you to question the Almighty’s decisions? I told you I got the revelation didnt I? That should suffice as an explanation. So will you arrange for the marriage or should I take the initiative?
@ Samatha,
I congratulate you for having stepped up to live with the following –
Islam Permits Sex with One-Year-Old Girls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsExiAbCk1A&feature=fvw
Dr. Ahmad Al-Mub’i, a ‘Saudi Marriage Officiate’: “It is allowed to marry any girl at the age of one. The Prophet Muhammad, whose model we follow, married ‘Ayesha when she was six”.
Coitus Interruptus (Al-Azl)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACp9xHs8jl0
Allah’s ways for expanding the Islamic population 🙂
QURAN 4:34 – “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, send them to their beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely Allah is high, supreme.” Well said Allah a.k.a Muhammad. The spirit of typical tribal Arab male chauvinism …
Muhammad cares two hoots about enslaved women getting forcefully penetrated but deals with coitus interruptus (withdrawing the penis before ejaculation) & judgement day. He condones enslavement, women as booty and rape.
Sahih Bukhari Vol. 7-#137 Narrated Abu al-Khudri: “We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah’s messenger about it and he said, “Do you really do that?” repeating the question thrice, “There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.””
Concubines are halal based on this verse – Qur’an (33:50) – “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee”
Although Muslims are limited to four wives, but they may also have sex with an unlimited number of slaves, as long as they are obtained in Jihad.
Qur’an (23:5-6) – “…
contd., (for Samantha Fox)
Qur’an (23:5-6) – “..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess…” This verse allows the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.
Muslims will constantly say that these verses are taken out of context, but then they will never explain the context to a non-Muslim woman. Instead, they will make these verses sound righteous and also diss the non-Muslim woman’s social customs. Call it the ZN school of graduation 🙂
Samantha, I can add more and more evidences from Sunna and Quran and Hadiths but what’s the point. Your heart is sealed to accept the “noble” deeds enlisted in the “noble” book 🙂
good knowledgeable bytes wasted on half intelligent creature.
Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301, Sahih Bukhari 2:24:541, Sahih Bukhari 3:48:826, Qur’an 2:282
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYoNDgB-jDU&feature=player_embedded
@sona:
vedic religion is truth, so is islam…
Unless you believe in subjective reality, this is false. I thought you Muslims held that there is but one objective truth/reality out there. I thought the Quran had the entire truth for all of mankind for all times to come. Am I wrong?
@sona:
becoz it wil only prove tht im an idiot if im judging the whole community on the the acts of such people….
plz try to understand my point of view..
The actions of Muslims will speak louder than your words or Allah’s words for that matter. Did you even care to go through the videos I linked to? The debate is about an hour long. Spend some time there first.
Great Work.Keep go on.Unmask naik.
Zakir Naik exposed by Satyagni on Polygamy and sex-slavery. Excellent article to read and share:
http://satyagni.com/4131/zakir-naik-on-polygamy/
Shame on those who support polygamy and sex-slavery in name of religion and insult women.
WHY ISLAM PERMITTING POLYGAMY:
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When we speak of polygamy the first thing that is to be
understood is the fact that it was never an institution that was introduced
by the Qur’an or Islam. It was an institution that generally prevailed in
ancient cultures. Look at what the Encyclopedia Britannica writes: “It
may be seen that in most of the ancient cultures either polygamy or
the tradition of keeping concubines existed. In China, where there
existed the above practices apart from the lawfully permitted wife, it
was never seen to be against the moral code or decency. The tradition
of maintaining concubines existed in Japan up to 1880. Even though
polygamy was accepted in ancient Egypt, it was not commonplace.
However amongst the royal families it was common.” (Vol. xviii, p.188)
It may be recalled that except for a particular period, polytheism
was common in all the ancient communities among the Romans. In
certain communities of central Africa and Australia the rich would
even compete with one another inthe matter of number of wives, they
made of young girls who could not be married off by their parents.. It
is further given to understand that the young men in such communities
thus finding it difficult to marry and that many amongst them would
then take in marriage the widows of their fathers after their father’s
death.. It is even said that the Monomattawo Kings of Zimbabwe had
as many as three thousand wives. `The Guinnes Book of World
Records’ has recorded the head of the Batuba, Bakethe races of Zaire
as possessing the most number of wives. They are said to have had
many hundreds of wives!
Many of the Prophets in the Old Testament of the Bible had
more than one wife. The Book of Genesis makes it quite clear that
Abraham, who is described as the ideological father of the Jewish
community, had two wives in Sarah and Hagar (16:1-3). It can also be
seen from the Bible that after the death of Sarah, he married a woman
named Kedura and that besides this, he mad many other wives as well
(Genesis 25:1-6)
Jacob, who was the father of the tribe of Israel had four wives
named Leya (Genesis 29:21), Laban (29:29), Bilha (30:4) and Silha
(30:9). As for David who is known as the author of the Psalms, it can
be seen that he had besides the wives Meekal (1 Samuel 18:29) Batt
Sheba (2 Samuel 11:27), Abeenovam (2 Samuel 3:3), Abeegayal, Maky,
Hageethi, Abeethal, Eggai (2 Samuel 3:4-5), had many other as well.
His son Solomon, who is known as author of the Proverbs had seven
hundred wives and three hundred concubines! (1 King 11:3) Indeed,
as a token of the greatness of many individuals, the Old Testament
cites that ‘they had many wives and sons! (I Chronicles 7:3). These
instances are reffered only to show that Polytheism was commonplace
during the times of the Old Testament.
There is a little evidence in the earliest sources to show that the
Christian religion which came as the successor of the Jewish one, had
held polygamy as abominable. There is not a single statement which
prohibits polygamy anywhere in the gospels, the book of acts, the book
of revelation, the apostelic writings or even in the letters of Paul. But
the writings of Paul have discouraged even the very act of marriage
itself. The disciples of Paul who were taught that ‘it is best not to
marry’ (1 Corithians 7:38) were inclined towards ascertism and as for
those who could not manage that came to the stand that one, and only
one, wife may be taken.
However, there have also been moves adopted against this stand
within the Christian community itself. The Mormons of America were
a people who advocated the cause of polygamy. They claimed that
Jesus Christ had married and that he had many wives as well. They
contended that since Christ had appeared to Mary Magdalene, Solomi
and other women after his resurrection…
This has been mentioned in the Encyclopedia Britannica. “Polytheism
was recognised by Christian Church during the middle ages. It existed
in its own right. Indeed, as it was permitted both by the Church and
Nation it existed legally in many places right up to the middle of the
sixteenth century.” (Vol XIV, p.950)
As for India, it may be seen that there existed the tradition of
taking more than one women as wives right from the time of the Rig
Veda. It is further given to understand that Indra, the most important
god in the Rig Veda, himself had more than one wife. There is a verse
(or Sukta) attribute to Indrani, the most important of all in the wives
of Indra (Rig Veda, Mandal 10, Sukta 17). The main focus of this
verse is on a formula to harass the co-wives. It is a formula by means
of which the attraction of the King towards a co-wife may be eliminated
and his love be made to flow towards herself instead. From this it may
be understood that polygamy prevailed universally during the period of
the Vedas.
polygamy existed even during the classical period. It is well
known that Dasharat, the father of Shri Ram who is the hero of the
Ramayan, had the wives Kausalya, Kaikeyi and Sumithra. As for Shri
Krishna, the hero of the Mahabharath, the Puranas report that he had
as many as sixteen thousand and eight wives. These wives of Shri
Krishna included eight in Rukmini, Jambavathi, Sathyabama, Kalindi,
Mithravandha, Saraswathy Kaikeyi and Laxmana along with the ten
thousand daughters of Narakasura.
By the time age of the Smrithi had commenced, the tradition of
polygamy also became based on the caste system. The law of the
Yajnavalkya Smrithi decreed that the Brahiman was to have three
wives the Kshatriya two and the vaishya and the Shudra were to have
one each.
Thissovarname poorvyana two thathika yathakramam
Brahman Kshathriya visham barya swa shudrajanmana
(Yajnavalkyasmrithi 1:57)
“In accordance with the caste order the Brahman may three
wives, the Kshatriya two and the vaishya one. The shudra can marry
only from his own caste”.
Even in modern societies in which fidelity to one wife is claimed
it is a fact the practice of having sexual relations with more than one
woman is quite common. The only difference being that it has been
referred to by different pet names. While the rich man fulfills his sexual
desire in the call girl engaged in ‘Public’ relations, the ordinary man
seeks gratification at the brothels. Studies have shown that those who
have not approached the prostitute, called by different names, even
once are very few indeed. Modern society can hardly seen it as a
crime. In addition to this, statistics reveal that sexual perversions a like
wife swapping and group sex are on the increase among the elite in
society. In reality, many of those who strongly speak out against
polygamy are themselves slave to such sexual misconducts..
It is an incorrect approach to consider as mere coincidence the
sexual relationship which Marx maintained with his concubine Helena
besides his relation with his wife concubine Helena besides his relation
with his wife Jenny. It is pointless to turn one’s face away from the
lesson provided by bare facts like the atheist ideologue, Bertrand Russell,
having four wives and of his having, in addition, relationship with the
wife of his own son as well as with many other women. We must be
able to deal constructively and impartially with the reality which they
prove.It will then be understood that monogamy is a tradition that cannot,
at least for some individuals, satisfy the very natural longings that run
deep within them. It is futile, therefore, to engage in a critical discussion
of polytheism while closing our eyes to this reality.
The Qur’an does permit polygamy. The verse which provides
this permission is as follows: “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to
deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or
three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to…
societies. In this matter, unrestricted freedom prevailed in Arabia.
The Qur’an brought about a regulation in these practice and restricted
the number of wives to four. That many prophets themselves possessed
numerous wives before their attaining prophethood makes it clear
that in Arabia there existed no restriction, whatsoever, in the number
of wives. Ameerathul Asad had eight wives while Noufal bin
Muawiyya Daylami had five. At the time of their embracing Islam,
the Prophet had asked them to maintain four wives of their own choosing
and to divorce the rest. In short, therefore, it was in a society where
there was unrestricted freedom to take any number of wives that the
law was enforced that four wives may be taken if it is possible to
show justice to each and if this is not possible, then to have just one.
The Qur’an does provide the permission to marry four wives, if
it is deemed necessary, subject to the condition that all be treated
impartially.
Moder age has established the practice of marrying not more
than one wife. However, while it restricts legal marriage to just one
wife, it does not see anything abhorrent in entertaining relationships
with call- girls and others of their like.
Which, then, is the more conducive code for woman ?
Islam does not recognize any extra-marital affairs no matter
what the name with which it is called. It is on the basis of this fact of
Islam being averse to all such relationships that this problem has to be
analyzed. In a country that is ruled by Islamic rule – adulterers, if their
guilt is proven, by the testimony of four eyewitnesses – will be subject
to a hundred lashes if they be unmarried and to death by stoning if
they are married. Indeed, the degree of abhorrence shown by Islamic
law towards these crimes is made manifest in these punishments. From
the view point of Islam, adultery becomes the very cause of the breakup
of the family, the which is the fundamental unit of the society, and
through this of the basis of all norms of morality…
What is the basic difference between marrying more than once and visiting call girls? In fact, in case of call girls, although undoubtedly there is a breach of trust, but still things can be patched if the wife is generous and willing to forgive her hubby who may have succumbed to the weakness of the flesh, but in case of a second marriage or more marriages, things get very complicated with the change in familial setup, which is bound to cause more friction and jealousy in the wives resulting in increment of stress levels.
Well, talking of the twisted islamic morality, what is your take on the idea of sex-slaves that your prophet mentions in his much-touted book?
Do you consider it moral enough to continue to adhere to such degrading practices or think of some reformation?
So, you will judge the adulteration of a practice in accordance with the precepts of the quran?
must also be provisions that provide for the gratification of desires in a
manner compatible to human nature. Indeed, it is here that the wisdom
of Islam in permitting polygamy may be truly appreciated.
There are situations wherein polygamy becomes inevitable at
the personal as well as the social level within a society entrenched in
righteousness. Personal circumstances may be summarized as follows:
One: Man’s sexual urge. It is an uncontested fact that at least
in the case of some men, there are instances where sexual gratification
is hardly achieved through one woman alone. After all, sexual
relations are not possible with women during their periods of
menstruations, pregnancy and the like. During all such periods, there
may be men who cannot control their sexual urge. Before these men
there are but two options: Polygamy or adultery.
Two: Sexual impotence of the wife. Sometimes impotence in
women cannot be rectified through treatment. It is but natural that the
man will, however, need to have the means of fulfilling his desires
during such periods of inability of his wife. There can only be the
option of either Polygamy or adultery or else it must be divorce. These
are the only three ways out for the man. Adultery is, doubtless, immoral.
As for divorce, though permitted it must be avoidedas much as
possible. In such a context, polygamy becomes the best alternative.
Three: Barrenness of the wife. If the wife is barren, there are
three options before the man: (1) To live a life without having any off
spring. (2) To divorce the barren woman and to marry another. (3) To
marry another woman while maintaining the first wife.
The first option will be an act of cruelty to one’s self. The second
will be cruelty to the wife. After all, it was not her fault that she
ended up being barren. It is the third option which is humane. Through
it, the barren wife may find joy in looking after, and bringing up, the
children of her husband as her own. She is also thus enabled in fulfilling
her…
The author of this post is guided by certain preconceived notions. He assumes that men have a superior sexual prowess than women, that women can be barren or sexually impotent, but not men, that male sexual adventurism is right and not the other way round. Probably, he needs some deconditioning. The quran seems to have instilled in him a deep sense of male chauvinism.
of women with such disorders to do? There may also be those who
struggle to even perform the household chores due to such unending
health disorders. In all these cases the remedy often resorted to is
either adultery, divorce or polygamy. In divorcing a woman afflicted
with a permanent disorder, she is actually being forced into the street.
Here, too, the only humane solution to the problem is polygamy.
Certain religious texts prescribe divorce in all the aforementioned
circumstances. Look at the commandment of the Manusmrithi:
Vandhyashda methi Vedyabde
Deshamethu mruthapraja
Ekadashi Sthree janani
Sathyasthapriya vadinee (Manu Smrithi 9:81)
“A baran life may be superseded in the eighth year; one whose
children have died, in the tenth; one who bears (only) daughters, in the
eleventh; but one who says unpleasant things (may be superseded)
immediately”
The remedy prescribed by Atheists for such problems is also
divorce. Look at the solution prescribed by Bertrand Russell, the greatest
proponent of Atheism:
“Where a marriage is childless divorce may be often the right
solution even when both parties are doing their best to behave decently”
(Marriage and Morals, P.96)
In such instances, which option would a woman prefer for her
husband: polygamy, divorce or adultery? A woman imbued with righteousness
and love will definitely yearn for polygamy. Indeed, Islam
has permitted polygamy considering the security of the woman as
well. Here, we realize that the Qur’anic vision is, indeed, a humane
one.
There are also instances wherein polygamy becomes a social
necessity. These can be enumerated as follows:
One: The disparity in man-woman population ratio. This can
So, sometimes you are stuck with the quran, and sometimes you sway towards what Russell had to say since that fits into your scheme of things, but you are unable to look beyond that, because you are too rooted into those malpractices that you will even quote an atheist, who is wajibul qatl (fit to be killed) to give some basis to your beliefs.
And also, male have the right to be an adulterer, but the females have to be righteous. Under no circumstance are they to err. Good logic.
take place in two ways. As a natural phenomenon and as a result of
war. An understanding of history brings forth a certain reality before
us. It is the fact that in all societies – in all ages – the population of
women have surpassed that of men. Modern science does offer an
explanation for this state of affairs. Although the genetic code in humans
is so constituted that the differences of the sexes is almost in
proportionate measure, out of the off – springs born, the female ones
will be more in number than the male ones since the defense mechanism
of the female foetus against infections and diseases is much
more vigorous than in the case of the male. It is seen that this disparity
in numbers stand to the tune of one thousand male for every one
thousand and ten female children born.
The situation that manifests itself after a war is another such
instance. Naturally, it is overwhelmingly the male population that actively
takes part in war. Thus, there comes about a substantial disparity
in the male-female ratio. In the Second World War, fifty lakhs of
Germany’s male population lost their lives while the male-female ratio
before the war stood on a proportional basis there, after the war the
ratio was set off balance by an excess of five hundred thousand woman.
Woman in Japan and Germany resorted to staging demonstrations to
meet their demand for husbands. Boards reading ‘Wanted: an evening
guest’ appeared in front of their homes. This is, however, restricted by
no means to the case of Germany alone. This is, indeed, the natural
course in any country coming out of the ravages of war.
Whenever the female population in a country exceeds the number
of males in it, the society may resort to three options: 1 . E a c h
male is to marry one woman alone. The remaining women are to live
suppressing their sexual longings. 2. Each man is to take one woman
in marriage. The remaining women may resort to adultery. 3. Men,
with the financial capability as well as the conviction that they will…
So, you will talk of the Uhud war, the World Wars, but will refrain from talking of the present-day situation where the skewed sex ratio has reached alarming proportions such that even the excess females of the west will not be enough to cater to the sexual needs of Indian men who outnumber the women by a huge, huge margin. You will dwell in the past, but refuse to accept the realities of the present. And you do all this lend credence to your firm belief in polygamy. Okay, fine, I am all for polygamy, but why this cap on the number of wives? Why only have 4 wives? If I can satisfy say 4 or may be more wives, why cannot I have more than 4 wives? If my sexual vigor can gratify the physical needs of more than 4 women, then I should have more than 4 wives, is not it? But twisted as it may sound, I can marry more than 4 times, but I cannot have more than 4 wives, I will divorce a few of them to ensure that at any given point in time I have not more than 4 wives. I am still trying to understand this obsession with the number 4.
your creater can understan brother how the depth of u’r sexual desire?
Well, to say the least, a twisted reply in defense of a twisted stance. The creator knows the depth of my sexual desire, and I am so bloody oblivious of it. How more farcical can it get than this? Do you have anything solid than this in your defense, or this is the best you can manage?
will, doubtless, serve only to destroy all morality and society itself. It is
the third option, and the third option alone, which those desirous of a
morally upright and progressive society will choose to adopt. It was,
after all, for this very reason that the World Youth Organization that
gathered in Munich in 1948 recommended polygamy as a viable solution
for the woes of Germany. Indeed, this has been the solution recommended
by Islam all along. How is it then that the same solution
when declared by the World Youth Organization is found to be humane
but repulsive when declared by Islam?
What is the solution, which can be offered by the Christian
church, which holds that the Holy Spirit guides unto all truth for this
problem? What do they say should be the condition of those women
who come in excess? Does the church per chance think that they can
all be made nuns by enticing their minds within the myth that they are
the brides of the lord? Or will it be that the Church will support them in
their bid to trespass the boundaries of morality and engage in adultery?
In truth, it is a fact that those who boast that their religion recommends
monogamy have no idea, whatsoever, of the stance they
are to adopt with regard to the social situation where the number of
women are on the rise.
For the atheists who consider polygamy an abomination the only
solution for this social problem is recourse to adultery. Adultery, which
is accompanied by the unrestricted use of all means of abortion:
Bertrand Russell writes: “In view of the above circumstances it is
evident that so long as many men for ecnomic reasons find early marriage
impossible, while many women cannot marry at all equality as
between men and women demands a relaxation in the traditional standards
of feminine virtue. If men are allowed prenupital intercourse (as
in fact they are) women must be allowed to it also. And in all countries
where there is an excess of women it is an obvious injustice that women
who by arithmetical necessity…
female sex” (Marriage and morals, p.59)
It is Russell’s recommendation that in a society where free sex
is permitted child rearing must be restricted to married couples and
that all extra marital sexual relations must involve the use of the viable
methods of contraception.
Which then is the more humane recommendation: is it the
Qur’anic one which asks men to take up more than one woman in
marriage and to maintain strict equality between them in social circumstances
wherein there is a disparity in the male-female ratio or is
it the atheistic recommendation which suggests that women who come
in excess must take to adultery?
It is clear that, in reality, the woman is subject to the most cruel
treachery in the form of such extra-marital relationships. She can be
thrown out at any moment . She has no right, whatsoever, to associate
the child born off such relationships with its father for no method of
contraception is one hundred percent fool-proof. Furthermore, from
the time that her flesh begins to sag and the wrinkles to appear there
will be none to even consider her predicament. Which, indeed, is the
more honourable position: is it the status of a legally married wife who
has her own rights or is it the label of a prostitute? From the viewpoint
of Islam, any woman is entitled to her status as legally married wife
and to her own sovereign rights no matter whether she be the first or
the fourth wife. Which then is the more suitable option for the women:
to live as co-wife and to claim for herself and her children all the rights
that are due unto them and to become entitled to shares in the wealth
of the husband after his death or to live as a whore, as one without any
privileges, whatsoever, and to die miserably as a burden to society
itself?
Two: Protection of the widows and the orphans: It is the primary
duty of the society to protect the widows and the orphans. It
may be seen that Polygamy, at times, becomes expedient in satisfactorily
fulfilling this duty. For, it is the men who…
Protection of the widows can hardly be conceived to be complete
by merely providing for food and shelter. Indeed, in many instances,
it is the young women who are destined to end up as widows.
Even if they have two or three children, as human beings endowed
with carnal desires, they will be subject to the desire to have sex.
Sexual desires cannot be fulfilled by receiving food, clothing and shelter.
To let them off in such fashion will ultimately serve only to force
them to take up unrighteous, immoral practices. Indeed, such a course
of action can serve only to disrupt all morality in society. They must,
therefore, be remarried. That is the right way of protecting the interests
of widows.
Who would come forward to marry the widows, especially
when they are widows with one or two children. Men could, in general,
hesitate to have widows as their first wives. As this hesitation is
but natural it is not fair that they should be criticized for it. It is here
that polygamy comes to the aid of the widows. If she is willing to be
the second or the third wife of a man, she is enabled to satisfy all the
rights that she is entitled to as a human being.
For the orphans, too, their mother’s re-marriage will provide
them with relief and security. Whatever the provisions available at an
orphanage, it can never have the homely atmosphere of a family. It is
in no insignificant way that the trauma of having been torn off from
their mother and placed in an orphanage affects the mind of such
children. At a time when they should be caressed and brought up in
their mother’s lap they should be there and there alone. They must be
provided the opportunity to live within the atmosphere of a family. The
re-marriage of the widow sets up the right opportunity for this to take
place. If the new husband of their mother is a man of righteousness
and religiosity, the orphans receive the same treatment as that from a
father along with a most satisfying family atmosphere. In truth, therefore,
this is, by far, a more…
Aa Suthr maranalkshantha niyatha brahmacharini
Yodharmeka patninam kamkshanthi Thamanuthamam
(5:158)
“She should be long- suffering until death, self- restrained, and
chased, striving (to fulfil) the unsurpassed duty of women who have
one husband.”
It is from such legal prescriptions that, in due course of time,
the system of Sati that asks for the wife to die at the pyre of her
husband originated. Islam, on the other hand, understands the problems
of the widows and prescribes the apt solutions as well. It never
asks anybody to assume that there never is a problem while they are
in the very midst of such problems – problems which can be very well
be resolved through the option of polygamy. In such circumstances, it
gives the permission to take up more than one wife. Indeed, it is a
provision that provides for the security of the widows and the orphans.
It is for the same reason that in many such circumstances we
find polygamy coming to the aid of the woman.
It is clear here that the allegation that by allowing polygamy
Islam has degraded women is utterly baseless. Indeed, as far as anyone
seeking a recourse to a social system founded in righteousness is
concerned, they can, in no wise, push aside the merits of polygamy.
@shabeer
As there are less number of females in india will islam allow polyandry?
Why does the Qur’an, which allows polygamy for men, disallow
polyandry for women?
It is true that polyandry existed in many primitive communities.
In Tibet, Ceylon, Siberia and other lands polyandry prevailed in one
form or the other. In the case of India, it has been given to understand
that this custom existed right from the Medieval Age. There are no
indications, however, that polyandry existed during the Vedic age. The
fact that there exists no reference, whatsoever, to polyandry even
when there are references to polygamy in the Aithreya Brahmana
and the Thirirthrya samhithi makes it clear that that custom never
existed during the Vedic age. However, from the story of Panchaali
mentioned in the Mahabharath it may be understood that the custom
@shabeer
A challenge to you, your mentor Zakir Naik, all Mullahs and Jihadi scientists
http://satyagni.com/4131/zakir-naik-on-polygamy/
And also do you even know that Sati practice was later labelled as a social evil and was subsequently abolished. Likewise, the devdasi system was also abolished as these systems were cruel, bigoted, and were against against the basic tenets of humanity.
@shabeer
Is it obligatory for Muslims:-
1 to believe in foreigners to be Muslim?
2. to believe Allah is confined entity?
3. to believe Allah is real culprit behind all stories of incest/crimes/ terrorism/killing in newspapers, because it is Allah’s creation Shaitan who is corrupting the mind of people?
4. to believe Allah was sitting idly before this universe creation.
5. to believe only Allah name recital & doing good deeds consistently for the welfare of all is not enough to get heaven.
n Islam 25% of the Higher caste Muslims (Ashraf) in India plundered the 85% Pasmanda or lower caste Muslims (Ajlaf, Low category of Muslims and Arzal, Marginalised or degraded Muslims). The Higher caste Muslims Ashraf never allowed to grow Pasmanda (lower caste) Muslims and cunningly blamed all their miseries on Hindus. They brainwashed them that in Hindu majority India they will never get development and all poverty of theirs were due to Hindus when in fact the higher caste Ashraf Muslims are responsible for their poverty because Ashraf Muslims are always afraid that they will lose power over Ajlaf and Arzal Muslims.
SEE BELOW LINK A MUST READ FOR MUSLIMS AND NON MUSLIMS ALIKE:
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers47%5Cpaper4622.html
@agniveer
where is my last day 5 post about (Why does the Qur’an, which allows polygamy for men, disallow
polyandry for women?) plz allow the post here,its a replay of adofl.
plz allow to discuss the people about my comments in postive way.
Shabeer
This is a comments section not a copy-paste section ! Hope you understand the difference.
Would request you to not humiliate yourself further by copy-pasting from the already maligned IRF madarsa website.
@shabeer,
>> On historic justification for polygamy.
Just because slaves are traded from pre historic times , we dont need to trade slaves today. Similarly just because polyagamy is there in practice at upanishad times it doesnt mean we have to follow them.
>>On other justifications for polygamy
My question is about islam permitting polyandry. Not about your justification for polygamy(which you might have copy pasted and the post got deleted).
A female mating with a male of her choice and raise her progeny(just like animals do) is as old as human civilization. Vedic rishis knew well what are the benefits/deficiencies of polygamy/polyandry/free form relations .
Thats why they always insist on love, bondage and maintaining one relationship
over the life time as it causes harmony, thus preventing fighting between humans.
Sorry to say but , accepting girls as slaves in war booty and maintaining right hand posessions is not all prophetic.
Also please stop copy pasting as i am bored reading various justifications of a desire craving lustful mind. Given a chance a murderer or rapist will give the same type of justifications and i (we hindus ) wont accept anything which does not treat equal beings as equal.
bible which u claim to b words bof god contains pronography………wat u say abt this?????????a book frm god which is revised by scholars of highest eminent of 32 countries and make it rsv ????why u people just cry and spread message of trinity which is removed frm bible in chapter of epistle as a concoction an interploration as a fabrications if u cal ur selves a follower of jesus christ(pbuh) then we muslims r better christains than u because we follow our jesus more than all the christains
brother amithesh
How can explain the religious things especially complicated subject from 1 or two line?
This is my way of posting; I am posting the things for common people misunderstood the
Polygamy, I never compel to u read the entire topics.
It my way, if u like it ,read it, or shut up…..
Can any Momin play good gymnastics and explain as to why Allah would permit more than one wife per man when Allah himself points out in Quran 4:129 “And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging.”
What kind of sadist is your Allah, Momins…saying it is ok to marry more than one woman when one of them cannot be treated equal to another?
@KB
If two verses given below have to be true at the same time, Momins are bound to practice monogamy and polygyny is Haraam.
[Quran 4:3]- “IF ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly [with them], then marry only one…”
[Quran 4:129]- And you will NEVER be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so] …
brother some people miused the law that they marry more than one wife and they coinsider only specific wife,allha point out like this,if anyone marry more than one wife,they must keep the equality between their wifes.
@Shabeer
__________if anyone marry more than one wife,they must keep the equality between their wifes____________
If one is not able to keep equality between wives, then what can be done? Can wife go to other person to fulfill her sexual desires. Is there any law in Kuran in support of wife in this matter.
what a foolish questions r u talking to me?
when someone need to polygamy,god says they must keep the equality towards his wife’s.
If one is not able to keep equality between wives, then what can be done?
brother the Allah talking to the believers,they can keep the equality between their wife’s.lot of example we can saw from the prophet and his followers.
if someone has more than one wife,he can’t keep the equality of his wife’s,he never been consider as a Muslim,his wife;s can does divorce and marry real believer.
@shabeer
You are a Kafir. Everyone please ignore this fool. He thinks that Allah is the biggest idiot when He says in Quran
[Quran 4:129]- And you will NEVER be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]…
@shabeer:
TS took the words from my mouth…
But your very own Allah himself says in 4:129 that you guys can NEVER treat two wives with equality. Is Allah wrong? What about the unequal wives? Given that you guys dont allow for reincarnation, the unequal wives souls are just completely ruined in this one single solitary shot at life they have serving a man who cannot treat them with equality 🙁
don’t deviated the subject to unrelated topics,
@shabeer:
Run along kiddo…you lost this one…better luck next time. As Aatish asks, what the heck does Allah say in 4:129?
@Shabeer
You are Kaffir if you doubts in Allah’s wisdom/saying 4:129 that you guys can NEVER treat two wives with equality. Is Allah wrong?
@aatish a haq & kal bharav……… r u guys……DONKEY…. QUARAN Say in ch 4v129…
if u can…….. dont marry more than 1 wife…….. coz u can’nt treat two wives with equality……… i’ll give u example > a husband can’t make his wife & mother happy together in a one time afterall one is his mother & another one is his wife…… how could u thought 2 wife frm different family will be happy…….use ur common seance bro…….ya dimag may chemical locha hua_hay to show mistake in quaran……try until u die but can’t prove any thing wrong in quaran….. Allha Knoweth all things………ALLHA HU AKBAR
@Noor:
r u guys……DONKEY….
No…I am not Buraq the donkey that lifted old Mo to hell…I mean heaven.
Explain 4:129 in your own words. What the heck does Allah mean there?
@ kal bherav gadho ko kya samjana ………………….. din var ramayan padaya aur saam ko pucha sita kis ka biwi? bachha bola sita hanuman ka biwi….. a murkh uppar ka example nahi pada… gandu kahi_ka …………
LOL. Good one. Enjoy your fairy tales bro. After all if it gives you good sleep at night, who am I to disturb your apple cart? Just keep the sh!t in your own home and dont form countries based on unverifiable belief on unprovable hatemongering Gods. Chao.
@Noor
———-how could u thought 2 wife frm different family will be happy———-
So you agree Allah erred while allowing polygamy?
Allah ke dimaag mein chemical locha hua tha kya 🙂
@advice to noor
please don’t behave like that,we must keep the calm,especialy during the ramadan,
what ever they says,ignore them,prophet got millions times more than it,pry to
allha for us and them to get good knowlede and better life.
@aatish tum gadha ka gadha hi ray gay..tum example ko nahi samaj saktay kya religious baat khak samjo k…bawakuf! ……….har ak baat ko ulta he samjo kya……….gadha…….. Allha hamay sha sahi tha sahi hay aur sahi hoga lakin tumara dimag ka ilaz karna paray ga…………..bawa_kuf read my comment once again & comment …………………….
thanks shabeer 4 a aadvice happy ramdan…………
Benoor,
“gadho ko kya samjana ………………….. din var ramayan padaya aur saam ko pucha sita kis ka biwi? bachha bola sita hanuman ka biwi….. a murkh uppar ka example nahi pada… gandu kahi_ka”
Sahi bhi hai, tum jaise gadho ko kya samjhana, tum to bewkoof hi paida hua aur bewkoof his maroge. Abbe gadhe biwi aur maa kya saman hoti hai kya be? Ya phir allah miyan se koi naya hukm huwa hai.
kalbhairav..ki ho??pura jahil hai ka be…
@Farhan Maw’ali’
Nahi, jahil to tu hai ‘Mawali’.
vik come i am ready for debate that idoltary is forbidden hinduism……….come i am waiting………..
@Farhan
why debate, I know idolatry is against the Vedas, so why should we debate on something we both agree on?
On contrary I challenge you to debate me on kaaba and islam. Before thinking about my challenge, read the article which I authored over here:
http://satyagni.com/5062/islam-and-idol-worship/
tell me if you can refute it?
Surah R’ad 13:16:
“Say: “Who is the Lord and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth?” Say: “(It is) Allah.” Say: “Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him, such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?” Say: “Are the blind equal with those who see? Or the depths of darkness equal with light?” Or do they assign to Allah partners who have created (anything) as He has created, so that the creation seemed to them similar? Say: “Allah is the Creator of all things: He is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible.”
Surah Anbiya 21:66:
“(Abraham) said, “Do ye then worship, besides Allah, things that can neither be of any good to you nor do you harm?”
Surah Furqan 25:55:
“Yet do they worship, besides God, things that can neither profit them nor harm them: and the Misbeliever is a helper (of Evil), against his own Lord!”
The black stone; the Kaaba is a creation which according to the Quran no Muslim can worship. It does no harm to us, neither can it benefit us, which means we cannot worship it. Hence, the Quran refutes the allegation by explicitly condemning the worship of created things. It is direction for unity. If there was no direction, then if Muslims want to offer prayer, it is possible that some may wish to face north, while some may wish to face south. In order to unite Muslims in their worship of only one God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only 1 direction towards the Kaaba. If a Muslim lives in the west of the Kaaba he/she should face the east, those in the east face towards the west, and you get the picture.
2) It is a direction organizing the prayer, because if Muslims faced anywhere they wanted in the mosque, no-one would prayer properly, and people would bump around if there wasn’t a direction. For example, certain stances we Muslims adopt in prayer like: bowing down, prostrate on the ground, standing back up, etc. If there wasn’t 1 direction for Muslims to face, Muslims would face wherever they want to, then those bowing down in different directions would bump and fall all over the mosque. The direction appointed by Allah prevents this, and increases the unity in the Muslim nation.
3) When the Muslims go to Masjid-e-Haram (the Sacred Mosque) in Mecca, they perform circumambulation round the Kaaba. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of 1 God, since, just as every circle has 1 centre.
There are authentic hadiths which says the following:
Sahih Bukhari, Book 26, Number 675:
“Narrated By Zaid bin Aslam : From his father who said: “Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it and said, ‘There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.’ ‘Umar added, ‘(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).”
Sahih Bukhari, Book 26, Number 667:
“Narrated By ‘Abis bin Rabia : ‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said “No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.”
Hence, the Kaaba is not a “god” for us Muslims. It is simply a way to uniting the Muslims and a method of making of organization of the prayer. The Hadiths above are enough to refute the claim that Muslims worship the Kaaba.
4) In addition, at the time of Prophet Muhammad, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the the call to prayer. Which idol worshiper stands on the idol he worships? NONE, proving we don’t worship Kaaba. Also, people can go into the Kaaba and pray to God there. NO idol worshiper can ever go to into his own idol, to worship it, which proves Muslims DO NOT worship Kaaba.
5) I) Skeptics may also claim that Muslims do idol worship by bowing down towards the Kaaba. For an idol worshiper, if an idol breaks he has to go and get a new one to worship. When the Kaaba was attacked and destroyed by forces in the past, worship did NOT stop, which proves Muslims do not worship the Kaaba.
II) In addition, an idol worshipper cannot go inside the idol he or she worships. In contrast, Muslims can go inside the Kaaba and worship Allah. Even in the past, Muslims had the right to worship Allah while inside the Kaaba. We shall now read:
Yusuf Ali Commentary – Surah Hajj 22:40:
“To allow a righteous people to fight against a ferocious and mischief-loving people was fully justified. But the justification was far greater here, when the little Muslim community was not only fighting for its own existence against the Makkan Quraish, but for the very existence of the Faith in the One True God. They had as much right to be in Makkah and worship in the Ka’ba as the other Quraish; yet they were exiled for their Faith. It affected not the faith of one peculiar people. The principle involved was that of all worship, Jewish or Christian as well as Muslim, and of all foundations built for pious uses.”
Muslims can worship Allah inside the Kaaba. It is clearly apparent from this fact that Muslims do NOT worship the Kaaba, but rather someone else, which is: Allah. An idol worshipper would NEVER go into the idol to worship it, which shows that the criteria for the Kaaba to be the thing that Muslims worships, it fails.
6) Also, the Jews directly face the “wailing wall” when praying. Does this make them idol worshippers? NO!…
Psalm 5:7:
“But I, by your great mercy, will come into your house; in reverence will I bow down toward your holy temple.”
Psalm 138:2:
“I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.”
Here, David clearly said that he will bow down toward the holy temple. If Christians assert that Islam teaches Muslims to worship the Kaaba, just because the authentic Hadiths tell us to bow TOWARDS the Kaaba, according to the same standards that means they also have to agree that their Bible teaches you to worship the holy temple. Anyone who has a little bit of common sense would know that neither the Bible teaches you to worship the prayer direction, neither does the Quran & Hadiths.
7) Moreover, any monotheist (i.e. Christian, Jew, Sikh, Hindu, etc) that prays to God (if he/she prays to God at all), no-one can tell me that you don’t face a direction when you pray to God. Regardless what religion a believer of God is, if you pray to God, there is bound to be a direction you face. For Christians (for example), they may face whichever direction they want to pray to God. For instance, a Christian may sit on a chair towards a wall, or towards the window and pray to God. Does that mean the person is worshipping the wall/window? NO. Similarly, in Islam we do NOT worship the Kaaba, since it is a direction to organize the prayer. The difference between the Muslims and Christians is that Christians don’t face towards the holy temple as the Bible teaches, yet the Muslims face towards the Kaaba.
To conclude, Islam does not condone you to worship the Kaaba, neither does Islam allow you to worship created beings. Anyone who worships the Kaaba or any created being, he is not a Muslim. The only one we are supposed to worship is Allah.
@Shabeer Bro YOU HAVE GIVEN ANSWERS TO YOUR OWN QUESTION KABA IS TEMPLE LIKEWISE HINDUS ALSO STAND ON THEIR TEMPLES TO PUT MIKE OR OTHER THINGS, WILL ANY MUSLIM STAND ON HAJRE ASWAD STONE NO AND EARLIER IF IT WAS DESTROYED YOU CAN EASILY PLACE OTHER STONE AS IT WAS JUST ONLY A DIRECTION ANY STONE CAN ACT AS DIRECTION (Qibla).
MUSLIMS WORSHIP AT LEAST 3 STONES (SAFA, MARWAH AND HAJRE ASWAD STONES) AND LAKHS OF GRAVES AND STILL TELL THEY ARE FOLLOWING TAUHEED LOL. KORAN clearly states that ONLY ALLAH’S SYMBOLS(IDOLS) SHOULD BE CIRCUMBULATED so SAFA, MARWAH AND HAJRE ASWAD ARE SYMBOLS OR IDOLS OF ALLAH. Muslims say they stand on kaba so kaba is not an idol likewise Hindus also stand on their temples to put flags and other things as Koran says kaba is the house (temple) of allah and the idol is hajre aswad. WILL A MUSLIM STAND ON HAJRE ASWAD INSTEAD OF KISSING IT, THE ANSWER IS NO.
MUSLIM CONSIDER HAJRE ASWAD AS SYMBOL OR IDOL OF ALLAH THAT IS WHY MUSLIM CIRCUMBULATE AND BOW THEIR HEAD BEFORE IT EVERY FRIDAY IF THIS NOT THE CASE THEN MUSLIMS ARE DOING SHIRK BY CIRCUMBULATING KABA OR HAJRE ASWAD.
Shabeer bro QIBLA is not Muslim term it is Zoroastrian or Persian term. When Zoroasterian were accused of worshiping fire they said Fire is their Qibla this was copy pasted by Muslims.
@Shabeer
Your arguments are thoroughly refuted by Brother Vik here.
http://satyagni.com/5062/islam-and-idol-worship/
——the Kaaba is a creation which according to the Quran no Muslim can worship. It does no harm to us, neither can it benefit us, which means we cannot worship it. Hence, the Quran refutes the allegation by explicitly condemning the worship of created things. It is direction for unity.—–
Oh! I wonder how do our Jihadi friends kiss the “direction” and then circumambulate it Question is why you bow towards Kaba? What is the logic other than Allah has commanded this? If commandment of Allah is enough then why this drama of giving arguments to prove that you are not idolater? Simply say we are not idolater because Allah says so! And Non Muslims are idolaters because Allah says so. Game is over! Why need arguments then? And have you ever imagined what will happen if Non Muslims start saying that their idol worship is commanded by their God and thus they do it. What answer do you have for it? The moment you ask for logic, they will ask logic behind direction of worship!
@agniveer, y u are allowing here debate on idolworsip in islam? Here topic is polygamy. You have blocked and stopd me 2 times when i was asking aryasamajis view on vegan. Also like u have read babarnama of englands library i have also read a moolshankarnama present in istambol’s library. I want to show some references from moolshankarnama. Will u allow me?
@indian muslim Aka Slave of Arabs
Get a copy and read it by yourself
http://www.archive.org/details/baburnama017152mbp
Author- Zahiruddin Muhammad Babur Padshah Ghazi
@indian muslim/Faizi
Brother, causes of avoiding meat eating:-
1. We generally looks in our around whoever are spreading terrorism, planting Bombs/killing the innocent people are meat eaters. Meat eating makes them dumb & high chances to become terrorist by consuming meat.
2. Whoever supporting incest & Sex with child or does sex with a child are meat eaters.
3. Meat eating makes one cruel that he can kill his brothers/fellows just for small issues/differences. Like we see in Pakistan/Irak/Afganistan/Somaliya, Muslims are killing Muslims.
4. Most of beneficial & innocent animal killer are meat eater.
5. Meat eaters can not control their sensual desires & they are high chances of their to be lustful. If we look Inspirational epic like Ramayan there is Ram who never look to any woman with lustful desire. There is Laxman & Hanuman etc. who maintained Brahmcharya by virtue of taking Satvik Food. Meat eating corrupts the mind & divert the mind from concentrate on Allah. That is why yogi always avoid meat eating to concentrate on Allah.
6. Most of the crimes like kidnapping, killing, sexual abuse etc., rape are done by meat eaters.
Their are many other reasons. It will be a good sign if universities/Governments/other institutions promote vegetarianism to stop all above said.
And sorry Agniveer Ji, I posted the comment on wrong place.
@shravak, u saidOh! I wonder how do our Jihadi friends kiss the “direction” and then circumambulate it Question is why you bow towards Kaba? What is the logic other than Allah has commanded this? If commandment of Allah is enough then why this drama of giving arguments to prove that you are not idolater? Simply say we are not idolater because Allah says so! And Non Muslims are idolaters because Allah says so. Game is over!
REPLY:u always say that kaba is idol and if muslims stands on kaba’s roof than hindu’s also stands on temple’s roof. here ur analogy is wrong because idol is not temple but idols are in the temple and u are saying kaba is idol?
@minv aka STBAGM aka faizi aka phew…
Your whole reply was out of context and i am not going to waste my time in arguing with a stubborn kid like you.
there is a whole article over there, http://satyagni.com/5062/islam-and-idol-worship/
Try refuting this one, lets see how much strenght you got.
@shravak, i have seen ur whole replies on veg & non veg topic and also in gurukul kangris topic. you first go to veda promotes hatred and crime II and try to give my answers if u r so big name. yes i am a kid, see a muslim kid make speechless, ur all big names is speechless on veg vs non veg. see the remaining arguments of ur boss truth siker, the big name of agniveer teem http://agniveer.com/621/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-39302, read what arguments he is giving. i want to talk on polygamy in hinduism. is here any aryasamaji?
What we are is not the issue here omni or carni or alien, what can benefit us is the topic, veg more suits us, environment, animals etc.
you got me wrong, i am no big name but i am also not a fanatic like you. I have unbiased approach. Agniveer and others are not interested in replying your childish/repeated arguments which have been addressed here several times. Truth Seeker as my boss is zillion times better than your Arabian aaqas which treat you as 2nd class(mawali). The recent comment of yours regarding krishna having thousand wives etc expose your knowledge and understanding about Hinduism.
So, better get some knowledge on Hinduism first. And then post comment here.
@all aryasamajis hindus, i am unable to understand the hindus point of view on polygamy? it is well established that according to islam a man can have 4 wives at a time and if he want five it is not allowed, it is sin and punishable in hereafter, same case with a woman she cant have more than one husband at a time. but when u talk about hindus what if a hindu marry more than one wife at a time? it is hindu marriage act in india which allow divorce to hindus and prohibit marrying more than one wife but it is applicable only if a woman report it otherwise practically in india hindus are ahead having more than one wife at a time. what is the religious point of view ie if a man marry more than one he will simply go to next (bad) yoni? what is the punishment? ant is really it is not allowed? what about raja dashrath father of raja ram(noblest man) having more than one wife? funniest thing is it is the only religion which allows polyandry ie a female having more than one husband at a time? polygyny is not allowed but prostitution and fornication having more than 16000 girlfriends allowed. please strictly answer on what is punishment and religious point of view on polygamy.
Vedic view is that polygamy is not justifiable. As for punishments, Vedas do not suggest punishments guidelines except for most inhuman crimes like terrorism, rape, murder etc. For rest, it extols the people to adopt the appropriate legal system as per prevailing situations. That is why vedas are timeless unlike Quran and Bible which are time and geography specific. And that is why Hindus had no objection in accepting the law against polygamy. And tomorrow, if the law of further tightened, they would still accept it.
Further going to bad yoni is not a simple thing. That is a natural punishment which you cannot escape even if you escape human punishment.
As for Dashrath, he is not a role model for us. Ramayan tells us about problems of polygamy and that is why Ram – our role model – was monogamous.
As for Krishna having 16000 wives and Pandavas sharing one wife, they are bogus stories based on naughty interpolations in Mahabharat. Anyone who has read actual Mahabharat can eliminate these bogus verses immediately.
These are just like the Hadiths which term the great Muhammad as rapist, chidl molester etc. We believe that these Hadiths are bogus, as explained by revered ghulam jilani saheb. But idiots refuse to reject such Hadiths and continue to insult Prophet Muhammad.
@amitesh, here is another list see can ur father stop it and moreover yes in quwait, qatar, saudi arabia & UAE, bahrain there are more men u know y BECAUSE MANY MEN GO THERE FOR JOB…. so that does not show that it is natural….. man goes to job there ..ountries with More Women than Men – Table 1
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Anguilla106 Antigua and Barbuda110 Argentina103 Armenia112 Aruba111 Austria105 Azerbaijan103 Bahamas, The104 Bangladesh108 Barbados106 Belarus115 Belgium104 Bermuda106Bosnia and Herzegovina103 Bulgaria109 Cambodia104 Cape Verde105 Cayman Islands104 Chad109 Colombia104 Croatia108 Czech Republic105 El Salvador105 Estonia119 Ethiopia103 European Union109 Finland104 France104 Georgia110 Germany103 Greece104 Guatemala103 Guernsey106 Guinea-Bissau105Hong Kong105 Hungary110 Isle of Man104 Italy104 Japan105 Jersey103 Kazakhstan108 Korea, North105 Kyrgyzstan104 soure http://ngureco.hubpages.com/hub/Countries-with-More-Women-than-Men-List-Of-Countries-by-Sex-Ratio-and-24-Million-Chinese-Facing-Singledom
@all aryasamajis, is there nobody who can answer my questions regarding the punishment of polygamy in hinduism? what punishment u have given to 5 pandavas who were sharing same women dropadi? in hinduism polyandry allowed? here is my complete question.. http://agniveer.com/621/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-39310 answer me.
I have already replied that your Question in itself is wrong.
@sameer, can u talk on polygamy? otherwise agniveer block me again. i want to discuss on polygamy. can u tell me what are you ie herbivorous animal or carnivorous animal by nature & by veda?
@sameer, can u talk on polygamy? otherwise agniveer block me again. i want to discuss on polygamy except one question that what are you ie herbivorous or carnivorous by nature & by veda?
@all aryasamajis,can anybiody answer my questions regarding the punishment of polygamy in hinduism? what punishment u have given to 5 pandavas who were sharing same women dropadi? is poly andry allowed in hinduis? suppose if a hindu marrying more than one wife at a time and he is out of india where polygamy is allowed then what punishment he will get according to hindu religion? here is my complete question.. http://agniveer.com/621/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-39310 answer me.
OM Ji
Who said Pandavas were married to One women,Panchali was daughter of Panchal Naresh and that is why she was called panchali,She was married to Yudhistra and in serials and other places she is depicted wrong.Arjun wife was ulupi,Bhiman was married to hidambi,Nakul was married to Karenumati and Sehadeva to Vijaya.
This is pure lie among Hindus and Muslims that Draupadi was married to five of them.
———— First u are interfering in nature by female foeticide and making male sex ratio higher in ur society like in haryana and Punjab ————-
lol! what makes you feel like agniveer is doing that?
—————-First follow islamamic teachings, which do not allow u to abort female fetus ———
and what makes you feel that any hindu literature alllows so? (authoriative) ??
————————– If women ratio is equal then marry only one. IF U ASKING THE SOLUTION FOR A SOCIETY WHICH HAS HIGHER MALE SEX RATIO THEN ISLAMIC ANSWER IS NOT POLYANDRY BUT ISLAMIC ANSWER IS STOP ABORTION OF FEMALE CHILD.—–
here can you still not see your oppresion of women in islam?
women equal –marry one.
women more — marry two.
women still more— marry three , marry four
and what if
women less — START SHOUTING “”hey stop female foeticide”” !!!! 😀
why do you take double stands ?Just to preserve the falseness of quran???
@Faizi/Milk/Starving to be traitor
______you are making fool to moolshankars blind followers from both the sides_____
Brother you are true, we should follow to Great Mohmad & should do sex with child & daughters & with many women. & Moolashanker was against all these.
_______by nature female ratio should be high_______
How many Eve was created by Allah for Aadam?
_______as u can see ur every god/role model is married ie brahma, shiva, Krishna, rama, _______
Braham had only one wife. Shiva had only one wife at one time, he married again when his first wife got to death. Rama had only one wife Sita, Krishna had only one wife Rukmani.
_______ISLAMIC ANSWER IS NOT POLYANDRY_______
Why not equal laws for man & woman? Why Islam differentiate between Man & Woman?
How many wives were expected by your mother for your father? Ask your mother.
How many wives expected by your sister for her Husband?Ask your sister.
Why not u think same for all as you want for yourself.
A seperate rule for the prophet and for the rest of the muslims! Sometimes I wonder whether muhammad thought himself to be a human prophet or an avatar of God.
as for your comments on dasartatha, brother, the whole story of ramayana arises out of the problem polygamy caused. 🙂
Have you read the whole mahabharata? Because you keep on commenting on krishna’s 16K girlfriends/ wives. Agniveer himself has pointed out that it is an extremely adulterated text and most of such leelas arise from folk tales in villages. Anway, here is a hindu saying this unequivocally : IF KRISHNA WAS MARRIED TO 16000 GIRLS/ WAS FOOLING AROUND OBSCENELY WITH THEM, HIS MORAL CHARACTER WAS POOR AND NOT AN IDEAL MAN TO FOLLOW. Kindly reiterate this from your end when authentic hadiths shows him keeping sex slaves, raping a woman on the night her husband and fellow tribesmen were murdered, etc. Do you have the guts my muslim friend?
@Vajra
Namaste brother Vajra,
great to seee you back in action……how have you been all these days??
Namaste Brother Vik
Was outside for some work, couldn’t get time to access net. But now have joined the party 🙂
Hope you and all our friends here are in the best of health and enjoying..
yes, we are good, and welcome back
Namaste Vajra, Vik and Indian Agnostic Bros, good to see you all back in action.
Thanks Brother Sameer
Its great to be back to our Agniveer family after many days.
@Sameer
Namaste Sameer
It is great to hear from all of you, and the best part of mission Agniveer is that we are growing and growing into a big family, and now we are more than enough to tackle down terrorist mindsets like Naik and his stooges.