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हिन्दुत्व पर डा.जाकिर नाइक के इरादों को लेकर प्रकाशित हमारे विश्लेषण के तुरंत बाद कई ज़हर भरे सन्देश आए, साथ ही उनकी किताब “Answers to Non- Muslims’ Common Questions about Islam” की एक प्रति भी मिली, जो उनके छली तर्कों का एक और बेहतरीन नमूना पेश करती है | हम उनके भाषणों की झलक भी देख चुके हैं, जिन में वे अपनी किताब का पाठ करते नजर आते हैं| वैसे इस किताब के कई खंडन पहले ही उपलब्ध हैं |
हिंदुत्व के प्रति मिथ्या अवधारणाओं में बढ़ोतरी करने की उनकी इस स्वयं घोषित शोध की साज़िश से हमें आपत्ति है | मुस्लिमों के लिए लिखे गये उनके लेख में हिंदुत्व की अधिक चर्चा रहती है तथा हिंदुत्व के लेख में इस्लाम का ज्यादा बख़ान होता है ( देखें FAQ on Hinduism)| मैं समझ सकता हूं कि उस की इस चकराहट का असल तथ्य वर्तमान की राजनितिक, सामाजिक और सांस्कृतिक परिस्थितियां हैं जो ८० करोड़ हिन्दुओं के धर्मान्तरण का आसान आधार उपलब्ध कराती हैं | जिसके लिए डा. जाकिर नाइक द्वारा संचालित इस्लामिक रिसर्च फाउंडेशन और पीस टी.वी प्रयत्नशील हैं और कुछ महीनों पहले ऐलान भी कर चुके हैं कि वे आगामी पांच वर्षों में हिंदुस्तान को दारुल- इस्लाम बनाएंगे|
इसके अलावा, बहुत से भटकों को इस भविष्यवाणी पर विश्वास है कि भारत को पराजित करने पर ही ईसा मसीह फिर से आ पाएंगे और इस दुनिया का अंत होगा, जिस के बाद कयामत के दिन उन्हें जन्नत मिलेगी जहां वो अपनी हूरों के साथ भोग – विलास में हमेशा रहेंगे | संस्कार रहित अविकसित मन और मस्तिष्क के लिए यह प्रलोभन बड़ा ही लुभावना है, जो उनके कुछ सोचने – समझने की क्षमता को भी कुंठित कर देता है | इस लेख में, हम उनके प्रथम प्रश्न – बहुविवाह प्रथा का विश्लेषण करेंगे |
डा. जाकिर नाइक यह दिखाने की कोशिश कर रहे हैं कि हिन्दू धर्म मूलतः ही बहुविवाह वादी है | अपनी किताब के पृष्ठ ४ पर वह कहते हैं -
“इस पृथ्वी पर स्पष्टतः कुरान ही एक मात्र धार्मिक पुस्तक है जो कहती है कि ‘ सिर्फ एक से शादी करो ‘ | कोई और धार्मिक पुस्तक ऐसी नहीं जिसमें पुरुषों को सिर्फ एक ही पत्नी की आज्ञा हो | कुछ अन्य धर्म ग्रंथों में चाहे वो वेद हों, रामायण, महाभारत, गीता, या बाइबिल हो क्या पत्नियों की संख्या पर कोई प्रतिबन्ध है ? इन धर्म ग्रंथों के अनुसार कोई व्यक्ति जितनी चाहे शादियां कर सकता है | यह तो बाद में ही, हिन्दू धर्माचार्यों ने और ईसाई चर्च ने पत्नियों की संख्या को एक तक सीमित किया | कई हिन्दू धार्मिक व्यक्तित्व उनके धर्म ग्रंथों के अनुसार अनेक पत्नियां रखते थे | राम के पिता राजा दशरथ की एक से ज्यादा पत्नियां थीं | कृष्ण की अनेक पत्नियां थीं | ” आगे उन्होंने जनगणना के ऐसे आंकड़े दिए हैं जिनके स्रोत सिर्फ वही जानते हैं और जिनके मुताबिक हिन्दुओं में बहुविवाह अधिक प्रचलित है बजाए मुस्लिमों के |“
जाकिर नाइक के इस्लाम में बहुपत्नीत्व के वास्तव में मायने क्या हैं ? पूरी उम्र के दौरान कुल मिलाकर चार बीवियों से शादी करना या बीवियों की कुल संख्या को एक समय में चार तक ही बनाए रखना और उस के लिए पुरानी बीवी / बीवियों को तलाक देते जाना और नई शादियां करते जाना या जिन पर इलहाम हुआ हो उनके लिए ९, ११, १६ या उस से भी ज्यादा बीवियों का खास प्रावधान होना या कम उम्र की बच्चियों तक से शादी करना या फिर ऐसी अमर्यादित संख्या में बांदियाँ रखना – जिन्हें कानूनन बीवियों में शुमार न किया जा सके और जनगणना के साथ भी छलावा किया जा सके ?
हम इस पर चर्चा नहीं करेंगे | यह मुद्दे बहुत अधिक संख्या में लोगों द्वारा जिन में महिला अधिकार संगठन और मुस्लिम भी शामिल हैं, तमाम दुनिया में उठाये जा रहे हैं | इन्टरनेट पर इन सन्दर्भों की लंबी फ़हरिस्त मौजूद है | हमारे लेख का मकसद इस मिथक को नष्ट करना है कि ” हिन्दू धर्म ग्रंथों के अनुसार कोई व्यक्ति जितनी चाहे शादियां कर सकता है | “
आइए, शुरुआत वेदों से करें क्योंकि हिन्दू धर्म में वेदों की मान्यता सर्वोपरि है —-
१.समग्र वेदों में एक भी मंत्र ऐसा नहीं है, जिस में एक से अधिक पत्नी या पति के समर्थन का ज़रा संकेत भी हो |
२. ऋग्वेद के तीनों मंत्र ( १।१२४।७, ४।३।२ तथा १०।७१।४) वर्णित करते हैं – ‘ जाया पत्य उशासी सुवासा ‘ अर्थात विद्या विद्वानों के पास उसी प्रकार आती है जैसे एक समर्पित हर्षदायिनी पत्नी सिर्फ अपने पति को ही प्राप्त होती है| ‘ जाया’ तथा ‘ पत्य’ क्रमशः पत्नी तथा पति का अर्थ रखते हैं | यह दोनों शब्द एकवचन में प्रयुक्त हुए हैं, जो सिर्फ एक पति और एक पत्नी के आदर्श रिश्ते को प्रस्तुत करते हैं |
३. ऋग्वेद १। ३ ।३ में परमात्मा को पवित्र और उच्च आचरण वाली समर्पित पत्नी की उपमा दी गई है, जिस में एक पत्नीत्व का आदर्श भी अन्तर्निहित है |
४. ऋग्वेद का मंत्र १०। १४९। ४ भगवन और भक्त के मध्य प्रेम की तुलना समार्पित पत्नी और पति के प्रेम से करता है | यहां ‘ जाया’ अर्थात पत्नी और ‘ पतिम’ अर्थात पति दोनों ही शब्दों का प्रयोग एकल संख्या में हुआ है, जो स्पष्टतः एक विवाह को सुनिश्चित करता है |
५. ऋग्वेद १०।८५।२० में वधू के लिए निर्देश है कि वह अपने पति के लिए सुख की वृद्धि करे, यहां भी पति और पत्नी दोनों का उल्लेख एकवचन में हुआ है |
६.ऋग्वेद १०।८५।२३ पत्नी और पति को सदैव आत्म- संयम के पालन की शिक्षा देता है | यहां प्रत्यक्षतः दोनों के लिए आत्म- संयम का उल्लेख है और पत्नी और पति दोनों शब्दों का प्रयोग एकल संख्या में हुआ है जो केवल एक विवाह की सिफ़ारिश करता है |
७.विवाह से संबंधित सभी मंत्र द्विवचन सूचक शब्द दंपत्ति को संबोधित करते हैं, जो एक ही पत्नी और एक ही पति के रिश्ते को व्यक्त करता है | जिस के कुछ उदाहरण ऋग्वेद १०।८५।२४, १०।८५।४२ तथा १०।८५।४७ हैं , अथर्ववेद के लगभग सम्पूर्ण १४ वें कांड में विवाह विषयक वर्णन में इसका उपयोग हुआ है | प्रायः मंत्रों में जीवन पर्यंत एकनिष्ठ सम्बन्ध की प्रार्थना की गई है |
कृपया ध्यान दें, संस्कृत में एकवचन और बहुवचन से पृथक द्विवचन का प्रयोग है, ताकि किसी भ्रम की गुंजाइश ना रहे |
८. अथर्ववेद ७।३६।१ में पति – पत्नी परस्पर कामना करते हैं – ” मुझ को ह्रदय में स्थान दो,जिस से हम दोनों का मन भी सदा साथ रहे | ”
९. अथर्ववेद ७।३८।४ में पत्नी की यह हार्दिक अभिलाषा व्यक्त की गई है कि ” तुम केवल मेरे हो अन्य स्त्रियों की चर्चा भी न करो | ” इससे अधिक बहुपत्नीत्व का निषेध क्या होगा ?
१०. अथर्ववेद ३।३०।२ तथा १४।२।६४ पति और पत्नी को परस्पर समर्पित तथा एकनिष्ठ रहने की हिदायत देते हैं |
११. संभवतः वेदों के ज्ञान प्रदाता परम पिता परमात्मा को भी इस बात का अंदेशा था कि कुछ बन बैठे विशेषज्ञ इस सब की भी अवज्ञा कर के बहुविवाह का औचित्य सिद्ध करने की कोशिश करेंगे, अतः वेदों के कुछ मंत्रों में बहुविवाह के दुष्परिणामों का वर्णन आया है |
a. ऋग्वेद १०। १०५।८ एक से अधिक पत्नीयों की मौजूदगी को अनेक सांसारिक आपदाओं के सादृश्य कहता है |
b. ऋग्वेद १०। १०१ ।११ कहता है – दो पत्नियों वाला व्यक्ति उसी प्रकार दोनों तरफ़ से दबाया हुआ विलाप करता है, जैसे रथ हांकते समय उस के अरों से दोनों ओर जकड़ा हुआ घोड़ा हिनहिनाता है |
c. ऋग्वेद १०। १०१ । ११ के अनुसार दो पत्नियां जीवन को निरुदेश्य बना देती हैं |
d. अथर्ववेद ३ । १८।२ में प्रार्थना है - कोई भी स्त्री सह – पत्नी के भय का कभी सामना न करे |
e. वेदों में बहुविवाह का आरोप लगने वाले अक्सर ऋग्वेद के मंत्र ८। १९ ।३६ का सहारा लेते हैं | ऋग्वेद का यह मंत्र ” वधूनाम” तथा “सतपति” शब्दों को समाहित करता है, परन्तु यहां ‘वधू’ से तात्पर्य दुल्हन से न हो कर सुख प्रदान करने के सामर्थ्य से है और “सतपति” का अर्थ सज्जनों का पालक है जैसे “भूपति” अर्थात पृथ्वी का पालक होता है | जिस सूक्त में यह मंत्र आया है उसके देवता अथवा मूल भाव से भी व्यक्त होता है कि यह परोपकार तथा दान (दान- स्तुति) से संबंधित है | मंत्र का अर्थ है कि ईश्वर सत्य और भलाई की रक्षा करने वालों को विविध सामर्थ्य प्रदान करता है |
रामायण में बहुविवाह -
यद्यपि यह सही है कि महाराजा दशरथ ने एक से अधिक विवाह किये थे, परन्तु सम्पूर्ण रामायण सार रूप में उनके बहु पत्नी विवाह से उत्पन्न क्लेशों को प्रस्तुत करता है | राजा दशरथ का बहुविवाह करना ही प्रत्येक के लिए कष्टों और विपत्तियों का कारण बना | श्रीराम ” मर्यादा पुरुषोत्तम ” या “आदर्श पुरुष ” माने जाते हैं क्योंकि उन्होंने एक पत्नीव्रत के वैदिक आदर्श को पुनः स्थापित किया और यही अनुकरण उनके भाइयों ने भी किया | हिन्दू धर्म की खूबी ही यही है कि उसका आधार इतिहास नहीं किन्तु सिद्धांत है| हिन्दू धर्म में मात्र किसी ऐतिहासिक व्यक्ति के करने मात्र से कोई कृत्य आदर्श नहीं बन जाता| इसलिए हिन्दू निःसंकोच कह सकता है कि यदि दशरथ ने ३ विवाह किये तो यह उसकी कमजोरी थी, धर्म का आदर्श नहीं. और राम ने एक पत्नीव्रत का पालन किया, अपने पिता के गलत उदहारण के बावजूद, इसलिए वो हमारे लिए मर्यादा पुरुषोत्तम धर्म ज्योति हैं. बाकी मत वाले भी धर्म का आधार इतिहास न बनाकर सिद्धांत बना लें , तो संसार कितना सुखी हो जाये!
महाभारत में बहुविवाह -
महाभारत काल तक समाज में नैतिक मूल्यों का अत्यंत ह्रास हो चुका था, अतः श्रीकृष्ण के अतिरिक्त महाभारत में ऐसा कोई पात्र नहीं है जिसे आदर्श माना गया हो | अनेक विध ताकतों से श्रीकृष्ण को निशाना बनाकर उनका चरित्र हनन करने के पीछे मूलतः यही कारण है | महाभारत अत्यधिक प्रक्षेपित साहित्य है तथा उसे पूर्णतः प्रमाणिक नहीं माना जा सकता है | मूल ग्रंथ काफ़ी छोटा था जिसमें समय के साथ विस्तार होता गया और बहुत सी चीजें सम्मिलित की जाती रहीं | महाभारत में प्रक्षेपण को रोकने की कोई कारगर विधि नहीं है, जैसी की वेदों में पाई जाती है | फिर भी बारीकी से विश्लेषण द्वारा महाभारत की कुछ प्रचलित कथाओं का मिथ्यत्व आसानी से प्रकट किया जा सकता है, जिसकी सूची मैं यहां दे रहा हूं -
a .श्रीकृष्ण का विवाह केवल रुक्मिणी से हुआ था – श्रीकृष्ण की १६००० पत्नियों की मिथ्या अवधारणा का आधार उस कथा से है जिस में उन्होंने नरकासुर के चंगुल से १६००० कन्याओं को मुक्त किया है | यह कथा अपने आप में संदिग्ध है | इसके अलावा, कथा में यह चर्चा कहीं नहीं है कि श्रीकृष्ण ने १६००० कन्याओं से विवाह किया था, वहां श्रीकृष्ण द्वारा १६००० कन्याओं की रक्षा का उल्लेख है, जिसे सच माना जा सकता है यदि यह कथा सही हो तो | यदि श्रीकृष्ण ने उन सब से विवाह किया होता तो, प्रचलित विधि को संपन्न करके प्रतिदिन अधिक से अधिक चार विवाह ही किये जा सकते थे और इसे देखें तो उन्हें १० वर्ष से भी अधिक समय सिर्फ शादियां करते हुए ही बिताना पड़ता !
b . श्रीकृष्ण ने पिता बनने से पूर्व १२ वर्ष पर्यंत पूर्ण ब्रह्मचर्य की कठोर तपस्या की, इसीलिए तो श्रीकृष्ण सम्पूर्ण मानव समाज के लिए आदर्श महापुरुष हैं | इस परिक्षण काल में गीता के उपदेशक का सम्पूर्ण ध्यान केवल मात्र राष्ट्र – निर्माण पर ही केन्द्रित था |
c . श्रीकृष्ण ने गोपियों के संग कभी कोई रास – लीला नहीं रचाई | यह सब मनगढंत कल्पनाओं के चमत्कार हैं जो विदेशी दासता के अंध कल में प्रचलित हो गये, जब संघ राज्यों के शासकों ने विदेशियों के प्रभुत्व को स्वीकार कर लिया और स्वयं विलासिता में ड़ूब गये | इसके अतिरिक्त, राधा की सम्पूर्ण कथा ही कपोल- कल्पित है जो सिर्फ ब्रम्हवैवर्त पुराण में ही पाई जाती है जो की भविष्य पुराण की ही भांति एक और अप्रामाणिक पोथी है जिस में श्रीराम और श्रीकृष्ण जैसे आदर्शों को कलंकित किया गया है | राधा का विचार अभी- अभी के समय में खासकर भारतवर्ष के अंधकार के युग में पनपा है, जब रजवाड़ों के शासक अपने – आप को भगवान श्रीकृष्ण के अवतार मानने और मनवाने पर तुले हुए थे और परंपरागत ब्रह्मचारी के चरित्र को नीचा दिखाकर कामुक गतिविधियों में लिप्त होनें में ही अपना गौरव समझते थे! महाभारत में कहीं पर भी इन सब का उल्लेख नहीं है | कृपया हमारे परम मित्र डा.सत्यपाल सिंह, पुलीस कमिश्नर, पूना द्वारा लिखित अति उत्तम लेख - Lord Krishna – an enlighiening personality अवश्य पढ़ें |
सामान्य जीवन में बहुविवाह –
यद्यपि इतिहास के कालखंडों में कुछ शासकों द्वारा बहुविवाह किया गया है परन्तु वह शासक वर्ग तक ही सीमित रह पाया और जनसंख्या की विस्तृत मुख्य धारा में नहीं अपनाया गया है | इसीलिए आज़ादी के बाद एक विवाह के औपचारिक प्रस्तुतीकरण को कानून के रूप में हिन्दू समाज द्वारा बेहिचक अपनाया गया है | हिन्दू धर्म के सभी महापुरुष जो अधिकतर भगवान के बराबर समझे जाते हैं, एक पत्नीव्रती या ब्रम्हचारी ही थे - विष्णु,शंकर,राम,लक्ष्मण,भरत,शत्रुघ्न,हनुमान तथा कृष्ण | अतः यह पूर्णरूपेण मिथ्या है कि हिंदुत्व में बहुविवाह को स्वीकृति दी गई है | इसके विपरीत, वेद स्पष्टतः सिर्फ एक विवाह का ही समर्थन करते हैं, जिसकी प्रवृत्ति समान रूप से जन साधारण तथा हमारे आदर्श पुरुषों में दिखाई देती है |
वेदों के श्रेष्ठ मूल्यों पर आधारित हिन्दू दर्शन में ही खास तौर से एक विवाह की अपेक्षा की गई है और बहुविवाह को त्याज्य समझा गया है |
परिशिष्ट :
इस अतिरिक्त टिप्पणी में हम बहुविवाह की स्वीकृति में डा.जाकिर नाइक द्वारा प्रस्तुत कुछ हेत्वाभासों के बारे में चर्चा करेंगे –
१. नाइक – औरत की औसत जिंदगी मर्द से ज्यादा होती है |
- इस कथन के अनुसार तो बहुपतित्व ( एक पत्नी- अनेक पति ) को मान्यता मिलनी चाहिए, क्योंकि औसत रूप से एक औरत एक से ज्यादा पति रखना चाहेगी अपनी पूरी जिंदगी के निभाव के लिए |
२. नाइक- विश्व में महिलाओं की जनसंख्या पुरुषों की वैश्विक जनसंख्या से ज्यादा है |
-यह पूर्वोक्त कथन को काटता है, यदि हम संयुक्त राष्ट्र संघ के सांख्यिकी विभाग द्वारा प्रकाशित विश्व जनसंख्या के २००८ के आंकड़ों पर नजर डालें तो हम पाएंगे कि विश्व में पुरुष महिलाओं से २ % ज्यादा हैं | बच्चों और वृद्धों को छोड़कर विवाह योग्य आयु वालों पर भी यही बात लागू है, तो क्या अब वो बहुपतित्व की वकालत करेगा ?
३. आइए, आगे बढ़ने से पहले सबसे ख़राब लिंग अनुपात के देशों की सूची को देखें http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio
यहां इस तालिका ( टेबल ) में आप क्षेत्रों के अनुसार छांट सकते हैं – यहां मौजूद शीर्ष ९ देश जिन में पुरुषों की संख्या महिलाओं से ज्यादा है, सभी मुस्लिम राष्ट्र हैं | जहां जितना ज्यादा इस्लामिक कानून सख्त है – वहीं ज्यादा विषम लिंग अनुपात है | सउदी अरब अमीरात में मर्द २.७४ गुना ज्यादा हैं औरतों से और क़तर में यह संख्या २.४६ गुना है | भारत और पाकिस्तान भी अपनी मुस्लिम बहुल जनसंख्या के कारण इस सूची में नजदीक का स्थान रखते हैं |
४. नाइक- श्रद्धालु मुस्लिम औरतों को अपनी अन्य मुस्लिम बहनों को सांझी संपत्ति बनने के बड़े नुकसान से बचाने के लिए थोडा सा व्यक्तिगत नुकसान बरदाश्त करना चाहिए |
- हम अभी ऊपर आंकड़ें देख चुके हैं – क्या अब डा.नाइक इससे उलट की सलाह देंगे ?
- वैदिक सभ्य समाज में पत्नी के अतिरिक्त प्रत्येक स्त्री को माँ के रूप में ही देखा जाता है | जिसका मूलतत्व ‘ मातृवत् परदारेषु ‘ की भावना है – अर्थात् पत्नी के अतिरिक्त सभी स्त्रियां मेरी मां हैं, इसीलिए किसी के सांझी संपत्ति बनने का प्रश्न ही नहीं उठता | शिवाजी जैसे आदर्श पुरुष, युद्ध बंधक स्त्रियों को भी सम्मान देने के लिए सिर झुका कर उन्हें मां कहते थे ! और ऐसे समाज में जहां स्त्रियों को पूज्य माना जाता हो , विषम लिंग अनुपात का सवाल ही नहीं आता जैसा की मुस्लिम कट्टरपंथी देशों में पाया जाता है |
- महत्त्व कि बात स्त्रियों को संपत्ति कि तरह इस्तेमाल करने की है | डा. नाइक कहता है कि बहुपत्नीत्व, स्त्रियों को सांझी संपत्ति के बजाए थोड़े से व्यक्तिगत नुकसान के साथ, निजी संपत्ति की हैसियत से इस्तेमाल करने की इजाजत देता है, यह थोड़ा सा नुकसान पूरी स्त्री जाति के लिए बहुत बड़ा अपमान है | यदि, आपस में पतियों को बांटना हराम है, तो फिर स्त्री को बाँटना क्यों छोटा सा निजी नुकसान गिना जाए ? वेद स्त्री और पुरुष में कोई फर्क नही रखते और विवाह सहित सभी बातों में समान अधिकार और स्वातंत्र्य देते हैं |
आगे वह ऐसे चार कारण देता है जिनके मुताबिक बहुपत्नीत्व की आज्ञा क्यों दी गई है तथा बहुपतित्व की आज्ञा क्यों नहीं है -
a .इस से बच्चे के पिता की पहचान होती है |
- (यह तो अब डी एन ए DNA परीक्षण से भी संभव है ! )
b .मनुष्य स्वाभाव से ही बहुपत्नीत्वशील है |
-(बहुपतित्व की दोषी स्त्री को पत्थर मारकर मृत्युदंड दिया जाता है – इस के अलावा इसका कोई प्रमाण है ? क्या बहुपत्नीत्व का समर्थन करके पूरी स्त्रीजाति को अपमानित करने की यह बेहद घटिया और शर्मनाक साज़िश नहीं है ? )
c .शारीरिक रचना के तौर पर किसी स्त्री के लिए एक से अधिक पति रखना तथा बच्चों को पालना संभव नहीं है |
- ( धर्म और समाज सेवा के नाम पर एक से अधिक पत्नियों और रखैलों को रखने की एक और बेशर्म दलील है ! )
d . यौन व्याधियों का अधिक खतरा होना |
- ( इसके विपरीत चिकित्सा विज्ञान के अनुसार महिलाओं को एक से अधिक पत्नियां रखने वाले पुरुषों से यौन रोगों के संक्रमण की अधिक संभावना है | कभी चिकित्सा विज्ञान के विद्यार्थी रह चुके डा. नाइक को प्रकाशित करने से पहले कम से कम इस की प्रमाणिकता तो जांच लेनी चाहिए थी, हो सकता है कि शायद उन्हें कभी अभ्यास करने का या पुस्तकें खंगालने का मौका ही ना मिला हो ! )
बुद्धिमान स्वयं ओसामा बिन लादेन के इस प्रशंसक की मनोवृत्ति को समझ सकते हैं | संक्षेप में, बहुपत्नीत्व अनाचार है, जिसे वेदों द्वारा पूर्णतः निन्दित माना गया है | यह स्त्री का अपमान है| आज के युग में इसका समर्थन करना, वो भी एक पढ़े लिखे तथाकथिक डॉक्टर द्वारा, और ऐसे बेशर्म तर्कों द्वारा, मनुष्य के सोच का इस से अधिक पतन का और क्या उदहारण हो सकता है?
वेदों और आदर्श पुरुषों द्वारा निर्देशित हिन्दू धर्म में हमेशा एक विवाह की अवधारणा और आत्म- संयम को ही मनुष्यों का एक मात्र मार्ग माना गया है | बहुविवाह को किसी भी हेतु से उचित ठहराने की कोशिश सम्पूर्ण नारीत्व का तिरस्कार है | ईश्वर ऐसे विकृत दिमागों में सद् बुद्धि प्रदान करे ताकि वे भी वेदों की शीतल छाया के नीचे आ सकें और उनके मन में मातृशक्ति के सम्मान की भावना जागृत हो सके |
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Ved mandir/masjid banane ko nahi kahte hai aur Na hi Kabe ki aur sir jhukana/kale pathar ko chumna/kabe ke charo aur chakkar lagana/kabro ko pujna. Ved in pakhando ko nahi kahta hai.
mere mai is baat ko manta hoon .ke ho sakta hai hamare purkhoon ke purkhoon ke purkhoon ke……..jab sri ram ji the.us waqt ke logon ka kam tha ki unki baaton ko mane
quran me likha hai (kullo azrin kitab) matlab bhagwan kahte hain ki hum ne har dour me kitabon ko bheja aor uska paigam us waqt ke logon ke liye tha. aaj baat manna hai to wo hai prophet mohammad.kiya aap kabhi apne swami ji poochte hain .atharva ved ke 20ven khand me likha hai ki koi bhi pandit tab tak nahi mrna chahta jab tak wo apne bete ko .la ilaha il allah hardain papan parapem il allah matlabki bhi us bhagwan ke seva koi doosra poojane layak nahi. aor likha hai aage agar too swarg chahta hai to jape naam mohammad matlab tere sare paap mit jayenge mere bhai agar aap ko koi baat galat lgta hai to us ka proof dijiye wo bhi us dher ki badi kitabon se aisa nahi ki kahin sun liya aor ugal diya.
——————atharva ved ke 20ven khand me likha hai ki koi bhi pandit tab tak nahi mrna chahta jab tak wo apne bete ko “”"la ilaha il allah”"” hardain papan parapem il allah matlabki bhi us bhagwan ke seva koi doosra poojane layak nahi. aor likha hai aage agar too swarg chahta hai to “”"jape naam mohammad “”"”matlab tere sare paap mit jayenge——————–
HaHaHHaaaHaHaHHaaaaaaa!!!
LOL!!
ye “quranic ved ” khaan par milte hai hume bhi btaiye !!! kya kya pdate hai aapke madarso mein???
yeh baat khaa se utha li!!
iska hum uttar dein ya has kar aagey nikal jayein???
——————”atharva ved ke 20ven khand me” likha hai ki koi bhi pandit tab tak nahi mrna chahta jab tak wo apne bete ko “”"la ilaha il allah”"” hardain papan parapem il allah matlabki bhi us bhagwan ke seva koi doosra poojane layak nahi. aor likha hai aage agar too swarg chahta hai to “”"jape naam mohammad “”"”matlab tere sare paap mit jayenge——————–
HaHaHHaaaHaHaHHaaaaaaa!!!
LOL!!
ye “quranic ved ” khaan par milte hai hume bhi btaiye !!! kya kya pdate hai aapke madarso mein???
yeh baat khaa se utha li!!
iska hum uttar dein ya has kar aagey nikal jayein???
par quran to ye bhi kehta hai ki kuran keval arbon ke liye hai isliye use arabi main utara gaya hai
irfan ji apne yah to batlaya nahi ki yah athrvved ke kis mantr me likha hai / isliye apki bat puri tarah se galat hai athrvved kya kisi bhi ved me muhammad ji ka jikar bhi nahi hai ! baki bate to fijul ki hai !
I am an revert to islam and i love islam. Your Hinduism has betrayed me – You worshipers of cow and cat and rat and dog . why dont you worship one god -allah . Why you worship dogs and animals like COW ?
it is very sad to listen that you went to the irrational , barbaric religion of islam.
but you must know that all that you say the worship of cow ,rat ,dogs yes they are absolutely wrong but anything that people do in name of hinduism is not sanatana dharma.
Hinduism is the only perfect religion had you got time to read articles on agniveer you would not have taken that decison..
please contact me at my email…
awakingyou@gmail.com
and i assure you that i would surely prove it to you that your decison to opt for islam was wrong though you are always welcome to get into the sanatan vedic religion!!
I am an revert from Hinduism to Islam . This below should answer all your questions.
http://truthofhinduism.com/
Namaste Timmanna Ji
We dont have any questions in first place
We are here to help you understand true Islam. And I request you to stop playing Taqiyya here. We will help you even if you are a born Muslim.
BTW may I know, why Muhammad thought of you women as half intelligent and deficient in religion?
forget that site dear!!
i asked him a simple question on his article “rebuttal — was allah sitting idle before creation??”
in the article he had everything but not answer to that question!!
i asked where is the answer to question that “was allah sitting idle before creation??”
and the admin was on his feet for three days and then said it is a copied topic so he doesn’t knowS.
see the sense of stupidity!!
http://truthofhinduism.com/rebuttals/answering-satyarthprakash/allah-sitting-idle-before-creation/
check what i say in above link!!
they have deleted this page dear
Thank GOD, they deleted the page. The common excuse which every Mohammed follower has is to delete the comment. If a Mohammed follower does not know the answer, he will surely delete the comment to hide himself. But now, they deleted entire page.
If all this continues, soon entire website will be deleted and then truth will prevail. Let’s debunk those jokers.
aapne hinduism ko sahi nhi pehchna, hinduism is not religion its a culture to raise urself to reach to the one source of energy, god is one, and murti puja have its own meanig, that to scientific, u have changed ur religion, wat else i can say. need is to understand n interpret the hinduism ina scietific look. muslims talks about PROOF. somthings r there proof cant be explianed, llik a nursery student cant understand trignometry or science. so study n learn urself, experience it , it will take time . be petient. no religion is bad, understand it correctly.
Namaste Ramu
Why did you care what others do? If you wanted to worship one God, did anyone stop you in Hinduism? Did anyone threaten to kill you and force you to worship dog?
Muslims too are Kaba and grave worshippers. Many Muslims are terrorists, thiefs and rapists too! So by your logic, you should leave Islam too.
Vedas believe in One God. Come back to Vedas.
@Timmanna
________am an revert from Hinduism to Islam______
May I know Why you converted from Veda to Islam. What special you find in Islam which was not in Veda, I also would like to know. I think Islam is not more than incest by support sex with mother, sisters, daughter, bowing head before stone Kaba, Killing of beneficial animals, support keeping sex slaves, believe in miracles. All such nonsense things are against Veda & I think if I am not wrong only getting support to have sex with mother, daughter, sister you would have converted to Islam so that you can claim that you have got Allah revelation/sanctioned to have sex with sister, mother, daughter & want to make them pregnant as Aadam & Mohamad did by claiming they got revelation/sanctioned from Allah.
true said vajra ji I believe in sanatan-dharam and arya samaj but i believe kuran is a man made book on the name of allah to scare people of his time they can never answer u as zakir says that islam ko kuran se pehchano aur musalmano se nahi isi tarah hum kehte hai ki hindu dharam ko vedas se jano kuch hindu logo se nahi jo galat hai
ye to aisa kagta hai ki jaise science ke student ko science samajh na aane par vo arts le leta hai apne fayade ke liye isi ta se rah ye log hindu dharam ko samjhe bina muslim ban jate h to reap the benifits to have sex with sister , mother, daughter and daughters in law because islam legilize it
hi…
i m roaming around the site for last few months……and decided to follow the path shown by veda….it’s superb…bt in my country, there is no1 follower of veda…..so how to convert into vedic follower?? i think conversion not required, rt?? suggestion of Vajra $ IA of any vedic scholar requested……….
Namaste Brother nafees
Welcome to Vedic Dharma dear Brother.
One converts to Vedic Dharma the day he/she starts thinking rationally. You dont need to change your name or do any ritual for conversion. Its just soul which converts and that has already converted! Congratulations!
If you want, you may write here the meaning of Gayatri Mantra as symbol of entering Vedic Dharma in the reply of this comment which I give below.
Om Bhurbhuvah swah tát savitúr váreṇyaṃ bhárgo devásya dhīmahi dhíyo yó naḥ pracodáyāt
Meaning:
O One and Only One Ultimate Omnipotent Omniscient Ishwar!
You are Bhoo – the foundation of life in entire universe and unborn! You are dearer than life because life is sustained by you!
You are Buvah – completely devoid of sorrow. When we achieve you, all our sorrows vanish away.
You are Swah – the sustainer and maintainer of entire world and provider of all the bliss.
You are Savituh – the creator of entire world and provide us all the prosperities
You are Devah – who only gives and gives and never takes anything. Who is desired by all. Who is Brilliant, Who is enlightening!
Varenyam – You alone are worth being accepted. There is nothing except you that is worthwhile. When you are achieved, everything is achieved. And when you are not achieved, nothing is achieved. Because you are the source of everything.
Bhargah – You are pure and without any imperfections. You are the ultimate cleanser. Nothing unclean remains when one achieves you. You represent the most perfect state of purity!
Tat – Such are your characteristics that nothing else apart from you is worthwhile.
Dheemahi – We only accept you through our intellect. We utilize our power of thinking to think of you alone.
Dhiyo Yo Nah Prachodayat – Because it is you who has and who will enlighten our intellect. It is only you who will lead us from wrong towards right, from miseries towards bliss, from impurity towards purity, from Adharma towards Dharma, from hatred towards love, from evil deeds towards noble efforts.
May Eeshvar give strength to everyone to accept the truth and reject the falsehood!
With best wishes
your Brother
Vajra
@nafees
Congratulations on leaving the cult of islam. welcome to the religion of humanity.
@vajra
what a beautiful way of explaining gayatri mantra! keep rocking, brother.
Namaste Brother roger
Credit goes to Agniveer! I just pasted the explanation of Gayatri Mantra from an article on Gayatri
@nafees welcome back to your en-sister’s dharam
Brother Nafees
And I request you to contact Agniveer by email at- agniveer[at]gmail[dot]com.
Please use @ in place of [at] and . in place of [dot]
thanks
Hi Nafees Ji,
Vedas are how you live your life and letting others to live. Being a rational human-being you are free to accept any faith. Vedas are not constraining anyone in any vicious circle or asking anyone to surrender.
You can still use your Surnames[Lastnames] and First names. Just by changing your ideology to “Humanitarian” would itself make you to be a believer of Vedas.
Last but not the least, do not take any decision in a hurry to change your faith in front of these conservative and tribal muslims. Even if you would give them the hint of choosing the right faith, you would be threatened to be killed or would be killed even.
Anyways, I welcome you to be part of rational thinkers. I know that most of the forcibly converted muslim brothers & sisters would come back to their original roots. Perhaps, it is the same Indian hereditary which is prompting you for this come-back.
It is very difficult to live in a place where people issue fatwas.
Regards,
Satyendra
thx Vajra for your valuable suggestion…the above Gayatri Mantra is gr8….let me know the meaning of Gayatri Mantra (the name “Gayatri Mantra”)…it sounds gr8 (meaning)….i am from Iran….may be in few months, i ll be in Nebraska, US for my higher study…..i ll join you people over there…..i ll mail to agniveer after reaching there…..
…i am irritated by religious people over here….thx once again for your valuable suggestion to show me the path “the Perfect” which is for rational minds………
Brother nafees
Any Vedic verse is called “Mantra” and the word “Gayatri” refers to the Chhanda or prosody or the way it can be pronounced. Vedic mantras have a variety of Chhandas and the name Gayatri is derived from there.
And nice decision of not contacting Agniveer while being in your country. We will surely wait for your mail as you reach US.
all the best
Brother Nafees Noshadi
To be born as a Human is nafees (precious) because we have been blessed with the gifts of intellect , self-inquiry and an inner voice that constantly reminds us of our goal to be individually and collectively naushad (happy) both from within and without.
In short ..Nafees Noshadi bro ..welcome back to the true meaning of your name , which is also the essence of the Vedic path !
As brother Vajra pointed out, no need to change your beautiful name and no need to change your attire, just change the attitude : Follow things which are a) rational, b) have the sanction of your inner voice, c) inclined towards truth & against falsity and d) do unto others as you would have them do unto you
Conceptually it’s as simple as that but in practice it will depend on how much compassion I have for humanity, how much respect do i give to my inner voice and how many truths i can face that are against my own self and others.
Well the above points are the secular dimension of following the vedas.On the spiritual dimension, the vedic seeker searches for the eternal truths ( like our true imperishable self and the notion of godhood ) by subjecting scriptural messages to introspection, reflection and contemplation through a rational and unbiased inquiry.
If your rationality attests that there is an imperishable SELF, then your spiritual search “WHO AM I” begins.once you are established in the true self, the notion of godhood can be explored.
Agniveer has beautifully explained these concepts in these 14 articles: http://agniveer.com/349/introduction/ I would request you to introspect on these if time permits
I am sorry i can’t give you a grand party like the muslims do when a non-muslim converts to Islam.But I wish from my heart for the secular and spiritual happiness of you and your family and all humanity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXmQ3-Vg1Lo
Welcome home once again
your brother
nafees
welcome to the great vedic dharma .
the most important teching of vedic dharma is that it promotes humans to live like humans.
vedic dharma do not divide brother from brother on basis of religion and sects.
vedic dharma promotes true brotherhood among us and promotes for noble actions may any one be born as a muslim or christian or hindu or sikh.
ramu and timanna
when you showed this article to your book zakir bhai MBBS and others in IRF
what was their comments?
Namaste aryan soldier
Zakir is further grilled here http://satyagni.com/4131/zakir-naik-on-polygamy/
ye zakir bhai mbbs kya hai brothers (hahhahahahahah)
thx………….Vajra & IA ………..
@ IA: how can i know the meaning of the video u provided?? ….. i can’t understand except OM………. it sounds pleasing…………thx !!!!!!
hii nafees !!
if you could provide your experience of beautiful change i you, your beliefs etc.. in the experience section of agniveer forum it would be very beneficial and encouraging!!
http://agniveer.com/forum/Forum-Agniveer-Experience
http://agniveer.com/forum/index.php
Nafees, this one is with subtitles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywdlxIIKiU4
that my friend is the message of the vedas for ALL humanity
thx IA ….sounds pleasing wid great message for human being and all around……..i ve one question to you…….the snaps showed in the video except the person on meditation (shadowed), do they exist?? i asked u a lot questions….dun mind……now and later i ll try to find the answers myself…if confused…..i ll catch you…..TC !!!!
Nafees ..they are an assortment of theological/nature pictures by some US follower .They aren’t real
Nice article brother, but dont be too selective in interpretation of facts.TOO FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES IS MEDANTORY FOR ALL EVEN FOR RAM JI.. . .
Namaste Dr Khan
No one interpreted facts. Dashrath married more than one, he did WRONG, Shri Ram married once and did right. Where was selective interpretation?
This might be interesting read for you http://satyagni.com/4131/zakir-naik-on-polygamy/
Whether Hanumanji also got married ?
You have mentioned in above article pl.
Where did we state so? We have referred Hanumanji as a Brahmachari.
Admin
Very nice and learned article. We need more of such articles to spread true facts about Hinduism.
1) It is clear that Hinduism and the Vedas don’t want people to marry more than one woman as wives. Polygamy was restricted to kings and rulers because of practical reasons of getting a child as successor.
2) Krishna had only one wife – Rukmini. Radha was an imaginative character created for Bhakti marg devotees. Nothing wrong in her imagination if we think of her relation with Krishna as pure and of divine love.
3) I have myself deconstructed the logic of Z.N. and I find him illogical many times. Let us not give him too much publicity by quoting his name in our articles. We can write same articles without mentioning his name.
Thanks a ton for this article. Please keep continued. Also please keep copies of your learned articles, and let us share it with maximum possible.
great answer ! multi mari is allowed for kings to give successors ..
Every Hindu must read this wonderful article about our own scripture specially about the Vedas which give us a pride being the oldest wisdom source and knowledge of Adhyatma. Pandit Vats aka Ravinder Nath Watts, San Lorenzo, California USA.
In the event of any contradiction coming in up
in Shruti, Smriti, Puranas, only the Veda’s instructions will prevail. No other person other than a Hindu has any right to contradict and find faults without becoming a Hindu.
Hence the Western scholars or any Muslim scholars has no rith to interfere in our Dharma and translating wrongly the Richas for defaming Hinduism or Vedic Santan Dharma. Already for the last centuries mush damage has been done. They have nothing to do with Hindu culture otherwise it would tantamount to blasphemy. Theirs own books are filled with a number of discrpencies like sura 2.3, 3.10, 3.116 of Koran orders to burn alive the non believers. How far is it fair? It is only Vedic Sanatan Dharma that allows even an athiest to live as a Human being.
@Agniveer
_______हिन्दू धर्म के सभी महापुरुष जो अधिकतर भगवान के बराबर समझे जाते हैं, एक पत्नीव्रती या ब्रम्हचारी ही थे – विष्णु,शंकर,राम,लक्ष्मण,भरत,शत्रुघ्न,हनुमान तथा कृष्ण_______(Part of Article)
Agniveer this sentence has confused many & I had to face debate on this in my locality because you have mentioned name of Hanuman. Many people could not take sentence in right way they understood Agniveer has mentioned Hanuman also had a wife. But I make them understand here is word Brahmchari also mentioned for Hanuman.
vakya bilkul saral he.
hindu dharm me bhagwan ke bababar mane jane wale sabhi mahapurush brhamchari ya 1 patnivrati he!!!!!!
bhagwanhanuman ko brahmchari shabd ke pariprekshya me hi samaj me aa raha he.
sabhi jante he ki vo brahmchari hi he…….
VIVAD ki gunjaish na rakh kar samajne ka prayatna kare…..
@Truth Seeker
Good job brother, you’re doing it very patiently.
I am really glad and am proud to be a hindu and living here in pakistan restricted us to follow the True path(VEDIC DHARAM) at home only. There are no any vidya shala or Vedic School so we or our generation could be better hindu and solve the problems of the other hindus and confining them not to convert to islam and other religion…. BTW I m really happy have been here on AGNIVEER and A.veer has benefited me alot…and hav done superb job by giving or showing the right path to the people which we cann’t do here…
hare krishna…..
Hats off Brother Arjun..
May Eeshvar protect you.
BTW is any Indian Jihadi around who thinks Agniveer or Hindus abuse/suppress Muslims? Is there one who has guts to say sorry to Arjun for the oppression of Hindus by their fastest growing Jihadi brotherens in Pakistan?
Ye sab log kya bakwas kar rahe hai, Ye Zakir Naiyak ne kya kaha hai main nahi janta, lekin agniveer name ka ye lekhak jo islam ke khilaf mangadhant kahaniya likh raha hai ye bilkul galat bat hai, tark ka abhaw hai aur kalpanick tark de raha hai, Shadiyan app jitani chahe utani bar kar sakte hai lekin dharmik riti riwaj ke daiyere me rahkar, Kewall shadiya Aiyyashi ke liye hi nahi ki jati , ab mujhe samjhane ke liye vivaha ke bare me batlana hoga, 2 ya 2 se adhik shadi karne ka ye log galat matlab nikal rahe hai…… Raja Dasharath ki 3 raniya thi, Bhagwan Krishan ki bhi Radha, Rukmani, gopiyan thi, shadi kab kyon aur kisase aur kaise ki ja sakti hai ye Kuran me likha hua hai, Kuran Allah (God) ki pankatiya hai muhammad SW ki nahi………..
Sayed apne wo uttar nhi padha jis me Krishna ki bahu patnivad ka khandan kiya gya he. Me ye nhi kehna chahta hi k koran me kya likha he. Me bs itna kehta hu k Hindu dharm me bahu vivah ko galat mana gya he. Jo kartey he wo galat kartey he. Praman k swarup kuch vedic slok upar diye gye he.
manniy A.H. ji ,raja dashrath ji hamare adarsh kabhi nahi rahe krishn ji ne “agar” kuch galat bhi kya hai to hame unka yah adarsh nahi manna 1 ham shreshth vyakti ke achhe vichar hi manna chahate hai![ sab nahi ] kyoki koi bi manushy ho, kitna bhia achha kyo n ho ? usme koi n koi galti bhi sambhav hai ! is sansar me ,asiya me, saudee arab me, pqkistan me, afagan me ,bangladesh adi anek muslim desho me ,bharat me purush ke mukable mahilaye kam hai tab kaise koi ek se jyada vivah karne ki “mansikta” bana sakta hai ? fir bhi agar koi dusra vivah karta hai to vah apne bhai ka hi adhikar[ haq] marta hai ! jab kisi ko kanyaye nahi milegi tab vah chori chipe kisi mahila se avaidh sambandh bhi banayega ! samany purush bagair sex[vivah] ke kaise rah sakta hai ? isliye dusra vivah ki bat ghor apatti janak hai ! quran ki ek se jyada nikah ki bat is samay jhuthi siddh hoti hai ! ab rahi bat islam ki alochna ki ! kya islam alochna se pare hai ? kyaa muhammad ji ke samay me unki alochna nahi hui thi ? kya muhammad ji ko apni jan bachakar chori se madeena nahi bhagna pada? agniveer ji ne kaun si alochna manghadant ki jara yah bhi to batlaiye ? agar quran allah ji ki kitab hoti to vah “betarteeb ” nahi hoti virodha bhashi bate nahi hoti, usme krodh nahi hota, badla nahi hota ,” vajebulkatl” nahi hota manushyo me bhed bhav ki bat nahi hoti ! qurqn muhammad ji ki ho ya unke sahabi ki ho uske jimmedar muhammad ji hi hai ! jaise anna ji ne anshan kiya , sath me unke sathi buddhijivi , kanoon ke jankar, pulis ke jankar adi bhi shamil the , tab bhi mukhiya anna ji hi the ! vaise hi mukhy bhumika muhammad ji ki kahalayegi allah adi ki nahi,! vah matr sahayak kahalaye jayenge !
Aapko itna samjhane par bhi samajh nahi aaya A. H. sahab. Aap kyon faltoo me apne ko sahi siddh karne me lage ho kyoki aisa nahi ki humme se kisi ne kuran nahi padhi. Aap kah rahe hai ki ek se jyada biviya rakhne ka matlab aiyyashi karna nahi. Main maan bhi jaati hoon unko unki raksha ke liye nikah kiya jata hai to kya kis ko bahan beti or maa maan kar uski raksha nahi ki ja sakti. Mohammad sahab ki biviyo me vraddha bhi thi or unke apne bete ki unki putri jaisi bahu bhi. Kya yahi hai unki raksha karne se matlab. Yadi aaj koi muslim apne bete ki patni ko aise hi rakhega to kya aap use sahi thahrayenge?
ansari ji aankhey kholkar upar ka article bhi padh lo
कहते हैं की कृष्ण जी की १६ हजार गोपिकाएं थी. यह तो सच है की उनके द्वारा १६ हज़ार गोपिकाएं थी किन्तु हमने इसका अर्थ ठीक तरह से समझा नहीं और जीवन के हर मोड़ पर अनुसरण करने योग्य श्री कृष्ण के चरित्र पर दाग लगा दिया और बाद में उसे सही सिद्ध करने के लिए तरह तरह की कहानिया बना ली. सोचिये जो आज के युग में भी पाप समझा जाता है क्या वह योगेश्वर कृष्ण कर सकते हैं. कभी नहीं. वास्तव में गोपी शब्द का अर्थ होता है वेद के मन्त्र. गोपिकाए, गोपाल अर्थात गौ पालने वाले पुरुष की स्त्री को भी कहते है किन्तु यह सोचिये क्या किसी भी स्त्री के लिए अपने पति के अतिरिक्त किसी अन्य पुरुष का ध्यान उचित है? ऐसा करने से समाज में कितनी भयानक निम्नता आ जाएगी आज के समाज से बढ़कर कोई और उदाहरण नहीं हो सकता. तो मै कह रही थी गोपी का अर्थ होता है वेद के मन्त्र. तथ्य यह है की श्री कृष्ण को १६ हज़ार वेद मन्त्र सिद्ध थे १६ हज़ार गोपिय(स्त्रिया) नहीं. आइये सत्य की खोज कर अपना व आर्यत्व का सम्मान बढाये.
जय भारत
Gitanjaly Sharma ji
please read
पुराणों के कृष्ण बनाम महाभारत के कृष्ण
in following link
http://agniveerfans.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/krishna/
The case of Shri Krishna didn’t have more than one wife. This is clearly mentioned in the Srimadbhagvad puran. The greatest problem is hardly anybody reads it himself/herself. Here is the incident which happened as written below:
Once Narad jee wondered how Shri Krishna lives with his so many wives and did justice with them. With this thought in mind, he proceeded to Dwarkapuri. There, he visited to the residences of all the residences one by one where Shri Krishna’s queens used to live. He was bewildered to see him in all the palaces of all the queens at the same time (Narad jee had the power to move as fast as mind). Somewhere, he was busy with playing dice while other place he was eating. Other place he was joking with his consort and so forth. Being bewildered, Naradjee started praising him for his impartiality and his justice toward creating as many physical bodies as the numbers of the queens. So, in effect, every queen without exception, had her husbannd not shared by some other woman.
Some people will doubt on the impossible phenomena. To them, I would like to counter argue that if Shri Krishna could marry 16008 wives in one day, he can also have those many physical bodies as he was yogishwar. Both of the acts are impossible for an average person but possible for a yogi. Now its on the reader to consider Shri Krishna as an average person or an incarnation. But either way his monogamy is confirmed.
All the incarnations of Lord Vishnu were either a Brahmachari or Monogamous. So, ideally, one should have only one wife or he should be a Brahmachari. In exceptional cases, there could be more than one wife. Can Jakir Bhai give a single Khalifa (who is supposed to follow the Quran ‘Marry only once’with only one wife?
I request Agniveer team to come up an article on Polygamous Muslims and the Taqiyya ‘Marry only once’ quote of Quran to show clearly the myth of this Quranic verse. BTY, how many wives has our Jakir Bhai have? Did he marry only once?If not, forget preaching it.
Om Shanti…
I am sorry about the grammatical mistakes committed in the above article as I was in hurry to post my comment. Still the highly educated readers will grasp the gist of my above comment.
Some of the corrected lines are as given below:
There, he visited to the residences, one by one where Shri Krishna’s queens used to live.
Being bewildered, Naradjee started praising him for his impartiality and his justice toward his wives by creating as many physical bodies as the numbers of the queens.
Satyen
can tell me any body about sanatan dharm
Namaste Brother israr
Here is what you are looking for http://agniveer.com/5095/what-is-vedic-religion/
Kick that Zakir Naik on his ass and throw him out this country for writing all false things regarding hindu religion.
Ahmad Husain Shaikh ji, ek se jyada marriage ye social evil hai aur hame dharm ko bich me na late hue pesonally ye sochna chahiye ke kya ham dusri wife karke apni first wife ko chot to nahi pahucha rahe na? kisi bhi peson ko chahe wo aurat ho ya mard par uska life parnter ke sath koi aur soye ye kaise bardast kar sakta hai??? muje yakin hai ke aap bhi bardast nahi kar sakoge… me fir aap ko yaad dila du ke me yahi kisi bhi dharm ki aur se nahi bol raha…
Ahmad Husain Shaikh ji, ek se jyada marriage ye social evil hai aur hame dharm ko bich me na late hue pesonally ye sochna chahiye ke kya ham dusri wife karke apni first wife ko chot to nahi pahucha rahe na? kisi bhi peson ko chahe wo aurat ho ya mard par uska life parnter ke sath koi aur soye ye kaise bardast kar sakta hai??? muje yakin hai ke aap bhi bardast nahi kar sakoge… me fir aap ko yaad dila du ke me yahi kisi bhi dharm ki aur se nahi bol raha…
Ahmad Husain Shaikh ji, ek se jyada marriage ye social evil hai aur hame dharm ko bich me na late hue pesonally ye sochna chahiye ke kya ham dusri wife karke apni first wife ko chot to nahi pahucha rahe na? kisi bhi peson ko chahe wo aurat ho ya mard par uska life parnter ke sath koi aur soye ye kaise bardast kar sakta hai??? muje yakin hai ke aap bhi bardast nahi kar sakoge… me fir aap ko yaad dila du ke me yahi kisi bhi dharm ki aur se nahi bol raha…
“Agniveer, hindustan ki sabse badi adalat ne “live-in-relation” ko manzoori de di hai. To kya aap kanoon ko bhi galat kahoge ? Kanoon se oopar kuch bhi nahi hai ?”
Kanoon to sharab peene ki bhi ijazat deta he,kanoon to jua khelne ji bhi ijazat deta he…yeh dunya ka kanoon he EEshwar ka nahi.
mohamad adil nomani kanoon aap k islam se upaar hoga kanoon ko insaan ne banaya hai ishwar ne ni
“Agniveer, hindustan ki sabse badi adalat ne “live-in-relation” ko manzoori de di hai. To kya aap kanoon ko bhi galat kahoge ? Kanoon se oopar kuch bhi nahi hai ?”
Kanoon to sharab peene ki bhi ijazat deta he,kanoon to jua khelne ji bhi ijazat deta he…yeh dunya ka kanoon he EEshwar ka nahi.
mohamad adil nomani kanoon aap k islam se upaar hoga kanoon ko insaan ne banaya hai ishwar ne ni
“Agniveer, hindustan ki sabse badi adalat ne “live-in-relation” ko manzoori de di hai. To kya aap kanoon ko bhi galat kahoge ? Kanoon se oopar kuch bhi nahi hai ?”
Kanoon to sharab peene ki bhi ijazat deta he,kanoon to jua khelne ji bhi ijazat deta he…yeh dunya ka kanoon he EEshwar ka nahi.
mohamad adil nomani kanoon aap k islam se upaar hoga kanoon ko insaan ne banaya hai ishwar ne ni
saumil@ sach hai par ye kab kia jaye iske bare me jano pahle sab k gharme to 4 bivia nahi hai par kuch hai jinke pas hai
saumil@ sach hai par ye kab kia jaye iske bare me jano pahle sab k gharme to 4 bivia nahi hai par kuch hai jinke pas hai
saumil@ sach hai par ye kab kia jaye iske bare me jano pahle sab k gharme to 4 bivia nahi hai par kuch hai jinke pas hai
@vajra:correct brother,but beyind a point we shouldn’t be wasting our time and energy correcting people talking out of context.
Once or twice is ok but we should ignore them and carry on the discussion not just on polygamy but on the given article.
So here goes,I think the best thing you learn from the ramayan,and i don’t like some characters in it who are anti-vedic,but even they are not half as bad as people today. Dashrath,ravan degraded women and paid the price.
Btw i’m forgetting didn’t baali have more than 1 wife?
Mohd Adil Nomani Bhai, kya hua? Quran nahi mil rahi hai kya? [4:129] to quote kar dijiye!
@vajra:correct brother,but beyind a point we shouldn’t be wasting our time and energy correcting people talking out of context.
Once or twice is ok but we should ignore them and carry on the discussion not just on polygamy but on the given article.
So here goes,I think the best thing you learn from the ramayan,and i don’t like some characters in it who are anti-vedic,but even they are not half as bad as people today. Dashrath,ravan degraded women and paid the price.
Btw i’m forgetting didn’t baali have more than 1 wife?
Mohd Adil Nomani Bhai, kya hua? Quran nahi mil rahi hai kya? [4:129] to quote kar dijiye!
@vajra:correct brother,but beyind a point we shouldn’t be wasting our time and energy correcting people talking out of context.
Once or twice is ok but we should ignore them and carry on the discussion not just on polygamy but on the given article.
So here goes,I think the best thing you learn from the ramayan,and i don’t like some characters in it who are anti-vedic,but even they are not half as bad as people today. Dashrath,ravan degraded women and paid the price.
Btw i’m forgetting didn’t baali have more than 1 wife?
Mohd Adil Nomani Bhai, kya hua? Quran nahi mil rahi hai kya? [4:129] to quote kar dijiye!
Ahmad Husain Shaikh ji, kiske ghar me kya hai ye bhi point nahi hai, point to ye hai ke ham isko kya maane, good ya bad???
vajra ji aap ki comment ki bhasa aysi hoti hai ki wo kisi ek dharam k logo ki or ishara karti hai is liye maine kaha ki yeha par h/m ki baat bana dety hai wyse jo galat kaam hai wo hindu kary ya musalman galat to galat hi hota hai mai aap ko samjha to nahi paunga kiu ki aap samajhna hi nahi chahty aur mai agar jada kuch bolunga to turant block kar dia jaunga
Ahmad Husain Shaikh ji, kiske ghar me kya hai ye bhi point nahi hai, point to ye hai ke ham isko kya maane, good ya bad???
vajra ji aap ki comment ki bhasa aysi hoti hai ki wo kisi ek dharam k logo ki or ishara karti hai is liye maine kaha ki yeha par h/m ki baat bana dety hai wyse jo galat kaam hai wo hindu kary ya musalman galat to galat hi hota hai mai aap ko samjha to nahi paunga kiu ki aap samajhna hi nahi chahty aur mai agar jada kuch bolunga to turant block kar dia jaunga
Ahmad Husain Shaikh ji, kiske ghar me kya hai ye bhi point nahi hai, point to ye hai ke ham isko kya maane, good ya bad???
vajra ji aap ki comment ki bhasa aysi hoti hai ki wo kisi ek dharam k logo ki or ishara karti hai is liye maine kaha ki yeha par h/m ki baat bana dety hai wyse jo galat kaam hai wo hindu kary ya musalman galat to galat hi hota hai mai aap ko samjha to nahi paunga kiu ki aap samajhna hi nahi chahty aur mai agar jada kuch bolunga to turant block kar dia jaunga
@ahmad:sahi kaha,sabke ghar me char biwiya nahi hai.
Aapki bhi nahi hai.
Yaa hai?
Mujhe nahi lagta hai. To phir aap ko bhala hamare anti-polygamy stand se kya aitraaz hai?
Agar yeh hai ke quraan me likha hai ki allowed hai to kuch ghalat nahi hai to hum smajhgaye hai
let us agree to disagree and move on with life.
Shukriya bhai
@ahmad:sahi kaha,sabke ghar me char biwiya nahi hai.
Aapki bhi nahi hai.
Yaa hai?
Mujhe nahi lagta hai. To phir aap ko bhala hamare anti-polygamy stand se kya aitraaz hai?
Agar yeh hai ke quraan me likha hai ki allowed hai to kuch ghalat nahi hai to hum smajhgaye hai
let us agree to disagree and move on with life.
Shukriya bhai
@ahmad:sahi kaha,sabke ghar me char biwiya nahi hai.
Aapki bhi nahi hai.
Yaa hai?
Mujhe nahi lagta hai. To phir aap ko bhala hamare anti-polygamy stand se kya aitraaz hai?
Agar yeh hai ke quraan me likha hai ki allowed hai to kuch ghalat nahi hai to hum smajhgaye hai
let us agree to disagree and move on with life.
Shukriya bhai
ahmed shaiek aap insan hai ki kya aap bahana mat banaeye block ka dar k mare aap kuch ni bolenge
aadith g @ isse aap ko kya farak padta hai ki hamari 4 bivia hai 1 ye sab aap ke liye to kaha nahi gya ki aap aysa karo to iska tension aap sab log kiu lety hai jisky k liye hai wo dekhyga ki kya krna kya nahi agar ye aap par thopa jaye to galat hai
ahmed shaiek aap insan hai ki kya aap bahana mat banaeye block ka dar k mare aap kuch ni bolenge
aadith g @ isse aap ko kya farak padta hai ki hamari 4 bivia hai 1 ye sab aap ke liye to kaha nahi gya ki aap aysa karo to iska tension aap sab log kiu lety hai jisky k liye hai wo dekhyga ki kya krna kya nahi agar ye aap par thopa jaye to galat hai
ahmed shaiek aap insan hai ki kya aap bahana mat banaeye block ka dar k mare aap kuch ni bolenge
aadith g @ isse aap ko kya farak padta hai ki hamari 4 bivia hai 1 ye sab aap ke liye to kaha nahi gya ki aap aysa karo to iska tension aap sab log kiu lety hai jisky k liye hai wo dekhyga ki kya krna kya nahi agar ye aap par thopa jaye to galat hai
ye islam ke khilaf hai
@ahmad:hume to fark padega kyunki hum ved dharm me maante hai.
Ab koi anti-vedic kaam jallkarega to uska hum samarthan to nahi karnege.
Our stand is clear. We are anti-polygamy or polyandry.
Your stand is also clear ,you are not anti-polygamy but don’t mind because it is allowed as per quraan.
Now what is the problem when we have both understood each others stands and agreed to disagree.
Aap humarii bahut aadato ki ninda karte ho,hume bhi poora haq hai aapse disagree karne ka.
Kaun aap par kuch thop raha hai. Koi aapke ghar aa raha hai kya?
Tumhe karna hai to 4 nikaah karo,hum nahi rokenge lekin hum isko support bhi nahi karenge.
All right.
Bye
ye islam ke khilaf hai
@ahmad:hume to fark padega kyunki hum ved dharm me maante hai.
Ab koi anti-vedic kaam jallkarega to uska hum samarthan to nahi karnege.
Our stand is clear. We are anti-polygamy or polyandry.
Your stand is also clear ,you are not anti-polygamy but don’t mind because it is allowed as per quraan.
Now what is the problem when we have both understood each others stands and agreed to disagree.
Aap humarii bahut aadato ki ninda karte ho,hume bhi poora haq hai aapse disagree karne ka.
Kaun aap par kuch thop raha hai. Koi aapke ghar aa raha hai kya?
Tumhe karna hai to 4 nikaah karo,hum nahi rokenge lekin hum isko support bhi nahi karenge.
All right.
Bye
ye islam ke khilaf hai
@ahmad:hume to fark padega kyunki hum ved dharm me maante hai.
Ab koi anti-vedic kaam jallkarega to uska hum samarthan to nahi karnege.
Our stand is clear. We are anti-polygamy or polyandry.
Your stand is also clear ,you are not anti-polygamy but don’t mind because it is allowed as per quraan.
Now what is the problem when we have both understood each others stands and agreed to disagree.
Aap humarii bahut aadato ki ninda karte ho,hume bhi poora haq hai aapse disagree karne ka.
Kaun aap par kuch thop raha hai. Koi aapke ghar aa raha hai kya?
Tumhe karna hai to 4 nikaah karo,hum nahi rokenge lekin hum isko support bhi nahi karenge.
All right.
Bye
vajra ji meine to aap ka jawab de diya 4:129 ke ref se….phir yeh ilzam kyun??
agniveeerji aap ki bahut meherbani hogi agar aap is sawal ka jawab de man mein badi vyakulta he.abhi tak aap ne jawab nahi diya.
agniveerji kuch law ka siidhant hota he “there are rule & there are exception to rule” to kripa kerke aap yeh bataye ki aap ne jo Rigveda ka mantra bataya he..woh har samay/har haal /har paristhiti mein lagu hoga ya…uska kuch exception bhi he…mera mutlub kya is rule ko kabhi bhi BEND KIYA JA SAKTA HE..ya yeh rule ek iswarwad ke siddhant ki tarah he..only one GOD no two.
vajra ji meine to aap ka jawab de diya 4:129 ke ref se….phir yeh ilzam kyun??
agniveeerji aap ki bahut meherbani hogi agar aap is sawal ka jawab de man mein badi vyakulta he.abhi tak aap ne jawab nahi diya.
agniveerji kuch law ka siidhant hota he “there are rule & there are exception to rule” to kripa kerke aap yeh bataye ki aap ne jo Rigveda ka mantra bataya he..woh har samay/har haal /har paristhiti mein lagu hoga ya…uska kuch exception bhi he…mera mutlub kya is rule ko kabhi bhi BEND KIYA JA SAKTA HE..ya yeh rule ek iswarwad ke siddhant ki tarah he..only one GOD no two.
vajra ji meine to aap ka jawab de diya 4:129 ke ref se….phir yeh ilzam kyun??
agniveeerji aap ki bahut meherbani hogi agar aap is sawal ka jawab de man mein badi vyakulta he.abhi tak aap ne jawab nahi diya.
agniveerji kuch law ka siidhant hota he “there are rule & there are exception to rule” to kripa kerke aap yeh bataye ki aap ne jo Rigveda ka mantra bataya he..woh har samay/har haal /har paristhiti mein lagu hoga ya…uska kuch exception bhi he…mera mutlub kya is rule ko kabhi bhi BEND KIYA JA SAKTA HE..ya yeh rule ek iswarwad ke siddhant ki tarah he..only one GOD no two.
mohd adil nomani aap ne to kanoon ko bhi sabse uppar kaha tha
aadith @ thanxx par yeha par ham kiu matha pachchi karty hai agar kisi baat ka hamko bahas karna hai to manch par dono dharm ki kitabo ko rakhkar baat kary taki ham ko ye malum ho ki jo baat ham kah rahe hai ved usky bary me kya kahta hai aur jo ved kah raha hai islam ki books usky bary me kya kahta hai aur wahi par ved aur islam k jankar bhi ho yeha ham ved k bary me kuch nahi janty aap islam k bary me kuch nahi janty aur ham baat kart karty kuch aysa bol jart hai ki dusry ka dil dukhta hai aur holy books ki beyijjti ho jati hai aysa nahi hona chahiye ……….. byeeeeee brother
mohd adil nomani aap ne to kanoon ko bhi sabse uppar kaha tha
aadith @ thanxx par yeha par ham kiu matha pachchi karty hai agar kisi baat ka hamko bahas karna hai to manch par dono dharm ki kitabo ko rakhkar baat kary taki ham ko ye malum ho ki jo baat ham kah rahe hai ved usky bary me kya kahta hai aur jo ved kah raha hai islam ki books usky bary me kya kahta hai aur wahi par ved aur islam k jankar bhi ho yeha ham ved k bary me kuch nahi janty aap islam k bary me kuch nahi janty aur ham baat kart karty kuch aysa bol jart hai ki dusry ka dil dukhta hai aur holy books ki beyijjti ho jati hai aysa nahi hona chahiye ……….. byeeeeee brother
mohd adil nomani aap ne to kanoon ko bhi sabse uppar kaha tha
aadith @ thanxx par yeha par ham kiu matha pachchi karty hai agar kisi baat ka hamko bahas karna hai to manch par dono dharm ki kitabo ko rakhkar baat kary taki ham ko ye malum ho ki jo baat ham kah rahe hai ved usky bary me kya kahta hai aur jo ved kah raha hai islam ki books usky bary me kya kahta hai aur wahi par ved aur islam k jankar bhi ho yeha ham ved k bary me kuch nahi janty aap islam k bary me kuch nahi janty aur ham baat kart karty kuch aysa bol jart hai ki dusry ka dil dukhta hai aur holy books ki beyijjti ho jati hai aysa nahi hona chahiye ……….. byeeeeee brother
polygamy kyu nahi karni chahiye????
@ahmad:sahih kaha.
Lekin iske liye hee to yeh website banaya gaya hai.
Ved dharm ko samjhane ke liye.
Aap zaroor website pe jaiye aapko saare references milenge.
Is article me kai mantra nai jo vedic dharm ke anti-polygamy stance ko saabit karte hai..aisa aap nahi kah sakte ke hum islam ke baare me kuch nahi jaante.
Hum me se kuch hai ko pahle quran ko maante the aur ab ved ko maante hai. Aapka internet connection mobile se hai ya pc/laptop se.
Agar pc /laptop se hai to mai aapko youtube par quran vs vedas debate dikha sakkta hu jaha par ex-muslim mp arya ek quranic scholar se debate kar rahe hai aur aage ek aur debate hai abdullah tariq ka to naam aapne suna hi hoga unke saath hai.
Kaho to link bhej doo?
polygamy kyu nahi karni chahiye????
@ahmad:sahih kaha.
Lekin iske liye hee to yeh website banaya gaya hai.
Ved dharm ko samjhane ke liye.
Aap zaroor website pe jaiye aapko saare references milenge.
Is article me kai mantra nai jo vedic dharm ke anti-polygamy stance ko saabit karte hai..aisa aap nahi kah sakte ke hum islam ke baare me kuch nahi jaante.
Hum me se kuch hai ko pahle quran ko maante the aur ab ved ko maante hai. Aapka internet connection mobile se hai ya pc/laptop se.
Agar pc /laptop se hai to mai aapko youtube par quran vs vedas debate dikha sakkta hu jaha par ex-muslim mp arya ek quranic scholar se debate kar rahe hai aur aage ek aur debate hai abdullah tariq ka to naam aapne suna hi hoga unke saath hai.
Kaho to link bhej doo?
polygamy kyu nahi karni chahiye????
@ahmad:sahih kaha.
Lekin iske liye hee to yeh website banaya gaya hai.
Ved dharm ko samjhane ke liye.
Aap zaroor website pe jaiye aapko saare references milenge.
Is article me kai mantra nai jo vedic dharm ke anti-polygamy stance ko saabit karte hai..aisa aap nahi kah sakte ke hum islam ke baare me kuch nahi jaante.
Hum me se kuch hai ko pahle quran ko maante the aur ab ved ko maante hai. Aapka internet connection mobile se hai ya pc/laptop se.
Agar pc /laptop se hai to mai aapko youtube par quran vs vedas debate dikha sakkta hu jaha par ex-muslim mp arya ek quranic scholar se debate kar rahe hai aur aage ek aur debate hai abdullah tariq ka to naam aapne suna hi hoga unke saath hai.
Kaho to link bhej doo?
aadith@ kuch nahi janty ka mera matlab hai nim hakim khatry jan …
yeha ham kisi bhi holy book k bary me puri tarah se nahi janty uski barikiyo ko nahi samajh sakty hai mai yeh kahna chahta tha jab dharm guru chahe aap k ho ya hamary sath me ek manch par ho to wo samjha sakty hai apne dharam ya ved kuran k bary me ham ek dusry k bary me jankari jo rakhty hai aadhi adhuri hai jiki bina par ham kisi ko galat sahi nahi kah sakty aap ka ved bahu patni prta ko nahi manta magar islam manta hai par kuch sharto par wo sharty kya hai usko dekho aap ki kya un sharto par vichar kia jana chahiye ya nahi
aadith@ kuch nahi janty ka mera matlab hai nim hakim khatry jan …
yeha ham kisi bhi holy book k bary me puri tarah se nahi janty uski barikiyo ko nahi samajh sakty hai mai yeh kahna chahta tha jab dharm guru chahe aap k ho ya hamary sath me ek manch par ho to wo samjha sakty hai apne dharam ya ved kuran k bary me ham ek dusry k bary me jankari jo rakhty hai aadhi adhuri hai jiki bina par ham kisi ko galat sahi nahi kah sakty aap ka ved bahu patni prta ko nahi manta magar islam manta hai par kuch sharto par wo sharty kya hai usko dekho aap ki kya un sharto par vichar kia jana chahiye ya nahi
aadith@ kuch nahi janty ka mera matlab hai nim hakim khatry jan …
yeha ham kisi bhi holy book k bary me puri tarah se nahi janty uski barikiyo ko nahi samajh sakty hai mai yeh kahna chahta tha jab dharm guru chahe aap k ho ya hamary sath me ek manch par ho to wo samjha sakty hai apne dharam ya ved kuran k bary me ham ek dusry k bary me jankari jo rakhty hai aadhi adhuri hai jiki bina par ham kisi ko galat sahi nahi kah sakty aap ka ved bahu patni prta ko nahi manta magar islam manta hai par kuch sharto par wo sharty kya hai usko dekho aap ki kya un sharto par vichar kia jana chahiye ya nahi
Main samajh nahi paa raha ki polygamy ke vishay me mazhabi jhagda kaise shuru ho gaya. Yahan women rights ki baat hai, Hindu -Muslim ki nahin. Agar aap Hindu kitaab me bhi polygamy dikhaoge to hum usko bhi reject kar denge. Ek samay me do patni rakhna aaj ki 21vi shatabdi me to sharm ki hi baat hai. Itihas aur mazhab ka is se koi lena dena nahi hai.
@ahmad:hume un sharto ka ilm hai aur hume nahi lagta ke koi mard ka baccha un sharto ko poora kar sakta hai.
Koi superman ya spiderman he hoga jo 2 se zyaada patni ke saath insaaf kar sakta hai.
Main samajh nahi paa raha ki polygamy ke vishay me mazhabi jhagda kaise shuru ho gaya. Yahan women rights ki baat hai, Hindu -Muslim ki nahin. Agar aap Hindu kitaab me bhi polygamy dikhaoge to hum usko bhi reject kar denge. Ek samay me do patni rakhna aaj ki 21vi shatabdi me to sharm ki hi baat hai. Itihas aur mazhab ka is se koi lena dena nahi hai.
@ahmad:hume un sharto ka ilm hai aur hume nahi lagta ke koi mard ka baccha un sharto ko poora kar sakta hai.
Koi superman ya spiderman he hoga jo 2 se zyaada patni ke saath insaaf kar sakta hai.
Main samajh nahi paa raha ki polygamy ke vishay me mazhabi jhagda kaise shuru ho gaya. Yahan women rights ki baat hai, Hindu -Muslim ki nahin. Agar aap Hindu kitaab me bhi polygamy dikhaoge to hum usko bhi reject kar denge. Ek samay me do patni rakhna aaj ki 21vi shatabdi me to sharm ki hi baat hai. Itihas aur mazhab ka is se koi lena dena nahi hai.
@ahmad:hume un sharto ka ilm hai aur hume nahi lagta ke koi mard ka baccha un sharto ko poora kar sakta hai.
Koi superman ya spiderman he hoga jo 2 se zyaada patni ke saath insaaf kar sakta hai.
agnivveer ji:”Ek samay me do patni rakhna aaj ki 21vi shatabdi me to sharm ki hi baat hai. Itihas aur mazhab ka is se koi lena dena nahi hai.”
yeh aap ka mut he…….24 shatabdi mein agar ek patni rakhna bhi gunah hoga to aap kahenge 24 shatabdi mein vivah ka koi mahatv nahi he.
@nomani:interesting.
agnivveer ji:”Ek samay me do patni rakhna aaj ki 21vi shatabdi me to sharm ki hi baat hai. Itihas aur mazhab ka is se koi lena dena nahi hai.”
yeh aap ka mut he…….24 shatabdi mein agar ek patni rakhna bhi gunah hoga to aap kahenge 24 shatabdi mein vivah ka koi mahatv nahi he.
@nomani:interesting.
agnivveer ji:”Ek samay me do patni rakhna aaj ki 21vi shatabdi me to sharm ki hi baat hai. Itihas aur mazhab ka is se koi lena dena nahi hai.”
yeh aap ka mut he…….24 shatabdi mein agar ek patni rakhna bhi gunah hoga to aap kahenge 24 shatabdi mein vivah ka koi mahatv nahi he.
@nomani:interesting.
Ahmad Husain Ji …Islam to slave gairls rakhne ki bhi izaazat deta hai ..par ye hindustan hai ..saudi arabia nahi ..agar yahaan chahe wo Islam ho ya hindu ho ..jo bhi insaaniyat ke khilaaf koi cheez allow karta hai to uska virodh karna chahiye har insaan ko
insaan se mera matlab dono stree aur purush se hai
“Agar aap Hindu kitaab me bhi polygamy dikhaoge to hum usko bhi reject kar denge”
yaane aap ne sweekar kiya ki Hindu kitaab mein polygamy ka zikr he.
ab yeh aap ki murzi ki aap use sweekare ya na sweekare.this is your free will
Isi tarah aap 28 shatabdi mein kahenge ki agar aap hindu kitab mein VIVAH ka concept batayenge to bhi hum use reject karenge
Ahmad Husain Ji …Islam to slave gairls rakhne ki bhi izaazat deta hai ..par ye hindustan hai ..saudi arabia nahi ..agar yahaan chahe wo Islam ho ya hindu ho ..jo bhi insaaniyat ke khilaaf koi cheez allow karta hai to uska virodh karna chahiye har insaan ko
insaan se mera matlab dono stree aur purush se hai
“Agar aap Hindu kitaab me bhi polygamy dikhaoge to hum usko bhi reject kar denge”
yaane aap ne sweekar kiya ki Hindu kitaab mein polygamy ka zikr he.
ab yeh aap ki murzi ki aap use sweekare ya na sweekare.this is your free will
Isi tarah aap 28 shatabdi mein kahenge ki agar aap hindu kitab mein VIVAH ka concept batayenge to bhi hum use reject karenge
Ahmad Husain Ji …Islam to slave gairls rakhne ki bhi izaazat deta hai ..par ye hindustan hai ..saudi arabia nahi ..agar yahaan chahe wo Islam ho ya hindu ho ..jo bhi insaaniyat ke khilaaf koi cheez allow karta hai to uska virodh karna chahiye har insaan ko
insaan se mera matlab dono stree aur purush se hai
“Agar aap Hindu kitaab me bhi polygamy dikhaoge to hum usko bhi reject kar denge”
yaane aap ne sweekar kiya ki Hindu kitaab mein polygamy ka zikr he.
ab yeh aap ki murzi ki aap use sweekare ya na sweekare.this is your free will
Isi tarah aap 28 shatabdi mein kahenge ki agar aap hindu kitab mein VIVAH ka concept batayenge to bhi hum use reject karenge
agniveer@ dharam aur ved ya kuran 21vi sadi me nahi bana hai wo jab bana tha tab bana tha .
koran to 28/21/24/40 shatabdi ..jab tak yeh dunya he rule yahi rahege…Ha manne wale kum zyada ho sakte he.
agniveer@ dharam aur ved ya kuran 21vi sadi me nahi bana hai wo jab bana tha tab bana tha .
koran to 28/21/24/40 shatabdi ..jab tak yeh dunya he rule yahi rahege…Ha manne wale kum zyada ho sakte he.
agniveer@ dharam aur ved ya kuran 21vi sadi me nahi bana hai wo jab bana tha tab bana tha .
koran to 28/21/24/40 shatabdi ..jab tak yeh dunya he rule yahi rahege…Ha manne wale kum zyada ho sakte he.
@Ahmad ..aap chaahe ye na chaahein ..ab aap 21vi shatabdi mein hain ..ab laundiyan rakhna, kisi ghair mazhabi ke saaman aur biwi bacche loot lena ..ye sab gunahe azeem maane jaate hain
agar aap gadhe pe baith kar bhi office jaana shuru kar dein to samaj aapko iski izazat nahi dega ki aap jo kuch 7vi shtabdi mein kar sakte the wo aaj bhi alllowed hai
7vi sadi ke bewkoofana aur ghinone riwazon ki 21vi sadi mein koi jagah nahi hai
@nomani:’yaane aap ne sweekar kiya ki hindu kitaab mein polygamy ka zikr he.’
iska matlab aapne diya gaya link ka upyog nahi kiya.
Zikr hai,dashrat ek hai.
Aur bhi hai. Uska matlab ye nahi hai ke recommended hai. Ise galat bataya gaya hai aur kai mantra ved se aapko yeh darshane ke liye chaant ke rakhe gae hai..kitne sare mantra hai jo iske against hai.
Also free will exists for everything in pretty much every religion. As in,you can kill your parents for fun,but you will pay for it in different ways according to different religions.
Vedas are eternal,to hazaaro saal pahle jo kahte the,ab bhi wohi kah rahe hai. Essence is the same.
@Ahmad ..aap chaahe ye na chaahein ..ab aap 21vi shatabdi mein hain ..ab laundiyan rakhna, kisi ghair mazhabi ke saaman aur biwi bacche loot lena ..ye sab gunahe azeem maane jaate hain
agar aap gadhe pe baith kar bhi office jaana shuru kar dein to samaj aapko iski izazat nahi dega ki aap jo kuch 7vi shtabdi mein kar sakte the wo aaj bhi alllowed hai
7vi sadi ke bewkoofana aur ghinone riwazon ki 21vi sadi mein koi jagah nahi hai
@nomani:’yaane aap ne sweekar kiya ki hindu kitaab mein polygamy ka zikr he.’
iska matlab aapne diya gaya link ka upyog nahi kiya.
Zikr hai,dashrat ek hai.
Aur bhi hai. Uska matlab ye nahi hai ke recommended hai. Ise galat bataya gaya hai aur kai mantra ved se aapko yeh darshane ke liye chaant ke rakhe gae hai..kitne sare mantra hai jo iske against hai.
Also free will exists for everything in pretty much every religion. As in,you can kill your parents for fun,but you will pay for it in different ways according to different religions.
Vedas are eternal,to hazaaro saal pahle jo kahte the,ab bhi wohi kah rahe hai. Essence is the same.
@Ahmad ..aap chaahe ye na chaahein ..ab aap 21vi shatabdi mein hain ..ab laundiyan rakhna, kisi ghair mazhabi ke saaman aur biwi bacche loot lena ..ye sab gunahe azeem maane jaate hain
agar aap gadhe pe baith kar bhi office jaana shuru kar dein to samaj aapko iski izazat nahi dega ki aap jo kuch 7vi shtabdi mein kar sakte the wo aaj bhi alllowed hai
7vi sadi ke bewkoofana aur ghinone riwazon ki 21vi sadi mein koi jagah nahi hai
@nomani:’yaane aap ne sweekar kiya ki hindu kitaab mein polygamy ka zikr he.’
iska matlab aapne diya gaya link ka upyog nahi kiya.
Zikr hai,dashrat ek hai.
Aur bhi hai. Uska matlab ye nahi hai ke recommended hai. Ise galat bataya gaya hai aur kai mantra ved se aapko yeh darshane ke liye chaant ke rakhe gae hai..kitne sare mantra hai jo iske against hai.
Also free will exists for everything in pretty much every religion. As in,you can kill your parents for fun,but you will pay for it in different ways according to different religions.
Vedas are eternal,to hazaaro saal pahle jo kahte the,ab bhi wohi kah rahe hai. Essence is the same.
kalki brother ko gussa jaldi aata hai
lekin yeh bhi sach hai ke quran aur vedas ke baare me unse zyaada janne waale bahut kam honge.
Mohd Nomani ji …
Quran to sex-slaves rakhne ki bhi izaazat deta hai ..agar aap usay follow kijiyega to jail jaiega seedhe ..ye saudi nahi hai saahab..Hindustan hai ..agar koi bhi dharm ho uski dakiyanoosi aur insaaniyat ke khilaaf banay gaye riwaaz ka virodh aur paabandi kanooni aur saamajic taur par hoti rahi hai ..hoti rahegi
kalki brother ko gussa jaldi aata hai
lekin yeh bhi sach hai ke quran aur vedas ke baare me unse zyaada janne waale bahut kam honge.
Mohd Nomani ji …
Quran to sex-slaves rakhne ki bhi izaazat deta hai ..agar aap usay follow kijiyega to jail jaiega seedhe ..ye saudi nahi hai saahab..Hindustan hai ..agar koi bhi dharm ho uski dakiyanoosi aur insaaniyat ke khilaaf banay gaye riwaaz ka virodh aur paabandi kanooni aur saamajic taur par hoti rahi hai ..hoti rahegi
Kalki ji- now you state what you dont know, can you tell which verse of Quran allows to keep sex-slaves???? There is none. Without marriage sex is Haraam and a SIN. After marriage sex is HAQ “right”.
@shafaq
There is nothing wrong keeping sex slaves. Quran permits it. Look at here.
Qur’an (33:50) – “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee” This is one of several personal-sounding verses “from Allah” narrated by Muhammad – in this case allowing himself a virtually unlimited supply of sex partners. Others are restrained to four wives, but may also have sex with any number of slaves, as the following verse make clear:
yeah bro- this is what you churned out from the verses- and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee”
this clearly meant that those prisoners had no where else to go, were insecure. so if they want -Prophet can marry them and provide proper shelter.
Why were they made slaves in the first place? Wars have been fought in India as well for centuries. Have not heard of the concept of sexual slavery.
Does the prophet even have to marry those who are his daughter’s age? Did the slaves ask for sexual exploitation/gratification? Surely, there were other means of providing them succor if at all they asked for any. Nobody out of his/her own volition would accept slavery. And you call yourself a human. What an irony!
SDC Sir,
You are missing out a very important rule. Arab was a fan for sex. That’s why Mohammed showed them dreams of some divine sexual empowered heaven. NOW, rule says that if you are NOT managing certain things on Earth, you can’t manage that in the hereafter. In Heavens, Muslims shall have 72 hoories. If you are a male, can you do sex with 72 female virgins without any practice of the same? Definitely NOT. So, Muslims here practice sex. Suppose: Allah tells them to do sex with 72 virgins and they say – I don’t know ??? These jokers don’t know that heaven is supposed to contain spiritual benefits rather than sexual.
Regarding the above commenter, he seems mentally tortured. The truth is that every sensible human knows that humanity and Muslim are just opposite poles. They won’t match at all. So, he is indirectly insulting humanity by his comments. We Hindus are ready to accept that Islam means peace but Muslims want 9/11 history to be repeated. Who is better now?
kalki brother ko gussa jaldi aata hai
lekin yeh bhi sach hai ke quran aur vedas ke baare me unse zyaada janne waale bahut kam honge.
Mohd Nomani ji …
Quran to sex-slaves rakhne ki bhi izaazat deta hai ..agar aap usay follow kijiyega to jail jaiega seedhe ..ye saudi nahi hai saahab..Hindustan hai ..agar koi bhi dharm ho uski dakiyanoosi aur insaaniyat ke khilaaf banay gaye riwaaz ka virodh aur paabandi kanooni aur saamajic taur par hoti rahi hai ..hoti rahegi
I fully agree with ur observation on Kalki sharma……he is very knowledgeable person………aaj tak mujpe to gussa nahi hue.
aaj hua hoon Mohd Adil Nomani ji ..aapne polygamy ko support kyun kiya ..aapse ye ummed nahi thi
I fully agree with ur observation on Kalki sharma……he is very knowledgeable person………aaj tak mujpe to gussa nahi hue.
aaj hua hoon Mohd Adil Nomani ji ..aapne polygamy ko support kyun kiya ..aapse ye ummed nahi thi
I fully agree with ur observation on Kalki sharma……he is very knowledgeable person………aaj tak mujpe to gussa nahi hue.
aaj hua hoon Mohd Adil Nomani ji ..aapne polygamy ko support kyun kiya ..aapse ye ummed nahi thi
@kalki sharma:your favourite cricketer is virender sehwag and definitely not poor rahul’the wall’ dravid.
Rofl
hahaha
kalkiji…aap to mujhe jaante he ki mein ek muslim hu aur koran ka har shabd mere liye eeshwar wani he…….FINAL CIRCULAR FOR MANKIND…..to kya mein ya koi aur eeshwar ki baat radd ker sakta he.aaap ke liye koi aur granth eeshwar wani ho sakti he mujhe koi apatti nahi he..ab ap jisi bhi granthko aap eeshwar wani maante he to usme har ek baatko manenge ki nahi.agar nahi maante to mere anusar aap use eeshwar granth nahi maante ya thoda hissa maante he (apni marzi/vivek/suvidha) ke anusar.
Rahi baat merit aur demerit of bahu vivah pratha i support it under the condition which GOD has prescribed in holy Koran.
@kalki sharma:your favourite cricketer is virender sehwag and definitely not poor rahul’the wall’ dravid.
Rofl
hahaha
kalkiji…aap to mujhe jaante he ki mein ek muslim hu aur koran ka har shabd mere liye eeshwar wani he…….FINAL CIRCULAR FOR MANKIND…..to kya mein ya koi aur eeshwar ki baat radd ker sakta he.aaap ke liye koi aur granth eeshwar wani ho sakti he mujhe koi apatti nahi he..ab ap jisi bhi granthko aap eeshwar wani maante he to usme har ek baatko manenge ki nahi.agar nahi maante to mere anusar aap use eeshwar granth nahi maante ya thoda hissa maante he (apni marzi/vivek/suvidha) ke anusar.
Rahi baat merit aur demerit of bahu vivah pratha i support it under the condition which GOD has prescribed in holy Koran.
@kalki sharma:your favourite cricketer is virender sehwag and definitely not poor rahul’the wall’ dravid.
Rofl
hahaha
kalkiji…aap to mujhe jaante he ki mein ek muslim hu aur koran ka har shabd mere liye eeshwar wani he…….FINAL CIRCULAR FOR MANKIND…..to kya mein ya koi aur eeshwar ki baat radd ker sakta he.aaap ke liye koi aur granth eeshwar wani ho sakti he mujhe koi apatti nahi he..ab ap jisi bhi granthko aap eeshwar wani maante he to usme har ek baatko manenge ki nahi.agar nahi maante to mere anusar aap use eeshwar granth nahi maante ya thoda hissa maante he (apni marzi/vivek/suvidha) ke anusar.
Rahi baat merit aur demerit of bahu vivah pratha i support it under the condition which GOD has prescribed in holy Koran.
for me Koran is parameter,for some Bible,for some Geeta/Veda
ab kuch ghante baad shayad aao post kerne nahi to kal agar eeshwar ne chaha to
for me Koran is parameter,for some Bible,for some Geeta/Veda
ab kuch ghante baad shayad aao post kerne nahi to kal agar eeshwar ne chaha to
for me Koran is parameter,for some Bible,for some Geeta/Veda
ab kuch ghante baad shayad aao post kerne nahi to kal agar eeshwar ne chaha to
@nomani:’ab ap jisi bhi granthko aap eshwar wani maante he to usme har ek baatko manenge ki nahi’.
You have asked perhaps the most relevant question today.
I know my answer and i’m sure kalki has an even better answer.
Hope agniveer gets the last word on this question.
Do you have to believe and follow everything a or b book?
ek kaun sa dang se jine deti hai…
@nomani:’ab ap jisi bhi granthko aap eshwar wani maante he to usme har ek baatko manenge ki nahi’.
You have asked perhaps the most relevant question today.
I know my answer and i’m sure kalki has an even better answer.
Hope agniveer gets the last word on this question.
Do you have to believe and follow everything a or b book?
ek kaun sa dang se jine deti hai…
@nomani:’ab ap jisi bhi granthko aap eshwar wani maante he to usme har ek baatko manenge ki nahi’.
You have asked perhaps the most relevant question today.
I know my answer and i’m sure kalki has an even better answer.
Hope agniveer gets the last word on this question.
Do you have to believe and follow everything a or b book?
ek kaun sa dang se jine deti hai…
finaly the zakir naik is win ..
finaly the zakir naik is win ..
finaly the zakir naik is win ..
@adil …thankfully India is not a sharia republic (and will never be) ..so we are saved from literal commandments of Islam
rahi baat lakeer ki tarah kisi qitab ke aadesh har aane waale time tak maanne ki ..to uska aap bhi paalan nahi kar sakte …kuran icecream, mobile phone , facebook ke baare mein kya kehta tha 7th century mein? Muhammad saahab ne ford ,toyota mein se kaunsi car halaal maani hai ? agar apartments mein rehna hai to qibla ki tarah to toilet ka face ho hi jayega ..uske liye quran mein multistoreyed buildings ke liye kya hidayat hai ?
kya aap aaj bhi eent pathar se cleanse hote hain ?
kai biwian rakha , sex-slaves rakhna suvidha nahi hai ..aur uska virodh karna suvidha hai aapke hisaab se ..wah ! …
asia dharm to mafia don ka bhi hota hai janaab
kalki,odd number ya even number of stones?
@adil …thankfully India is not a sharia republic (and will never be) ..so we are saved from literal commandments of Islam
rahi baat lakeer ki tarah kisi qitab ke aadesh har aane waale time tak maanne ki ..to uska aap bhi paalan nahi kar sakte …kuran icecream, mobile phone , facebook ke baare mein kya kehta tha 7th century mein? Muhammad saahab ne ford ,toyota mein se kaunsi car halaal maani hai ? agar apartments mein rehna hai to qibla ki tarah to toilet ka face ho hi jayega ..uske liye quran mein multistoreyed buildings ke liye kya hidayat hai ?
kya aap aaj bhi eent pathar se cleanse hote hain ?
kai biwian rakha , sex-slaves rakhna suvidha nahi hai ..aur uska virodh karna suvidha hai aapke hisaab se ..wah ! …
asia dharm to mafia don ka bhi hota hai janaab
kalki,odd number ya even number of stones?
@adil …thankfully India is not a sharia republic (and will never be) ..so we are saved from literal commandments of Islam
rahi baat lakeer ki tarah kisi qitab ke aadesh har aane waale time tak maanne ki ..to uska aap bhi paalan nahi kar sakte …kuran icecream, mobile phone , facebook ke baare mein kya kehta tha 7th century mein? Muhammad saahab ne ford ,toyota mein se kaunsi car halaal maani hai ? agar apartments mein rehna hai to qibla ki tarah to toilet ka face ho hi jayega ..uske liye quran mein multistoreyed buildings ke liye kya hidayat hai ?
kya aap aaj bhi eent pathar se cleanse hote hain ?
kai biwian rakha , sex-slaves rakhna suvidha nahi hai ..aur uska virodh karna suvidha hai aapke hisaab se ..wah ! …
asia dharm to mafia don ka bhi hota hai janaab
kalki,odd number ya even number of stones?
lolz aadith ..odd number ..and camel bones and dung is to be avoided because it is the food of a momin’s brother – the jinn
*literally speaking
@srq islam:?
lolz aadith ..odd number ..and camel bones and dung is to be avoided because it is the food of a momin’s brother – the jinn
*literally speaking
@srq islam:?
lolz aadith ..odd number ..and camel bones and dung is to be avoided because it is the food of a momin’s brother – the jinn
*literally speaking
@srq islam:?
kya koi aisa muslim h jiske purvaj hindu ni the?????????
kya koi aisa muslim h jiske purvaj hindu ni the?????????
kya koi aisa muslim h jiske purvaj hindu ni the?????????
@ Arun: you must know that Hindu is the name given by the Britishers on the name Indus civilization. there was sanatan dharma. So don’t say it that proudly.
And as Shankaracharye speaks in the following video- Sanatan dharma asks to worship one GOD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nw-_YmNwJQ
If you follow the concerned contents of Veda, you are ultimately following Quran.
Mr. Shafaq!
I agree with you. Islam indeed means peace by submission of will to GOD. Same is “Sharanagati” concept in Hinduism. If I am NOT wrong about Islam, it too demands to get rid of ego. Islam actually is NOT a different religion. It is same as following your own religions in the extreme manner. That’s why Muslims are always perceived as extremists. Islam (just like Hinduism OR any other religion) is a way of reaching same GOD. No one hates Islam (i.e., Submission of will to GOD and peace) here but every sensible being hates a Muslim who is extremist.
We are followers of humanity here & criticize Islamic followers. If Muslims promise to behave peacefully eliminating these 3 barriers:
A> RELIGIOUS — No Muslim and NON Muslim rivalry can take place
B> GENDER — No beating of wives by husbands
C> OTHERs — Any other hindrance to universal brotherhood
Then rarely any Hindu will think against a Muslim. But the problem is: Who will guarantee such a promise?
bhai,,,2 wife nae rakh sakte par 2-3 g,f to rakh hi sakte hai?
bhai,,,2 wife nae rakh sakte par 2-3 g,f to rakh hi sakte hai?
bhai,,,2 wife nae rakh sakte par 2-3 g,f to rakh hi sakte hai?
Z.Nayak is alway right…
Z.Nayak is alway right…
Z.Nayak is alway right…
‘ab ap jisi bhi granthko aap eshwar wani maante he to usme har ek baatko manenge ki nahi’
aapke maanne se koi granth ishwariy nahi ho jaata ..ussay bhi badi pareshani ye hai ki usay EXACTLY follow karna aap ke liye IMPOSSIBLE bhi ho sakta hai
misaal ke taur pe Inheritance Law in Islam ..koi mai kal laal is tatakathit ishwaiy vaani ko KAI SAARE cases mein follow nahi kar sakta kyunki wo FLAWED hai
ab Ishwar agar maths mein kamzor ho ..aur galat formula bhi de ..aur oopar se ye bhi kahe ki isay 100% follow karo .to ho gaya bantaadhaar
‘ab ap jisi bhi granthko aap eshwar wani maante he to usme har ek baatko manenge ki nahi’
aapke maanne se koi granth ishwariy nahi ho jaata ..ussay bhi badi pareshani ye hai ki usay EXACTLY follow karna aap ke liye IMPOSSIBLE bhi ho sakta hai
misaal ke taur pe Inheritance Law in Islam ..koi mai kal laal is tatakathit ishwaiy vaani ko KAI SAARE cases mein follow nahi kar sakta kyunki wo FLAWED hai
ab Ishwar agar maths mein kamzor ho ..aur galat formula bhi de ..aur oopar se ye bhi kahe ki isay 100% follow karo .to ho gaya bantaadhaar
‘ab ap jisi bhi granthko aap eshwar wani maante he to usme har ek baatko manenge ki nahi’
aapke maanne se koi granth ishwariy nahi ho jaata ..ussay bhi badi pareshani ye hai ki usay EXACTLY follow karna aap ke liye IMPOSSIBLE bhi ho sakta hai
misaal ke taur pe Inheritance Law in Islam ..koi mai kal laal is tatakathit ishwaiy vaani ko KAI SAARE cases mein follow nahi kar sakta kyunki wo FLAWED hai
ab Ishwar agar maths mein kamzor ho ..aur galat formula bhi de ..aur oopar se ye bhi kahe ki isay 100% follow karo .to ho gaya bantaadhaar
pab me 4 ya 6 ladkiyo se masti bhi kar sakty ho ya ladkiya 4 ya 6 ladko se masti kar sakti hai jiski jeb me jitna mall hai utni ladki ya ladka use kar sakty hai par bivi rakhna maha paap hai isse bachna chahiye …………
pab me 4 ya 6 ladkiyo se masti bhi kar sakty ho ya ladkiya 4 ya 6 ladko se masti kar sakti hai jiski jeb me jitna mall hai utni ladki ya ladka use kar sakty hai par bivi rakhna maha paap hai isse bachna chahiye …………
@Ahmad … do galtiyan milkar ek sahi nahi ban jaati
do biwian rakhna agar jaazyaz hai to do mian rakhna bhi ho jaana chahiye – ye hai ek galat se doosre galat ko justify karna
par aisi baatein sirf apni apni charpai ke neeche kuda sametne waali batein hain ..gandgi to wahin ki wahin rahi
aurat bhi insaan hai ..ab ye har aadmi ko maanna padega ..koj zuroorat nahi hai 7vi sadi ke dakiyanoosi soch ki jahaan bakrion aur auraton mein farq na ho
@Ahmad … do galtiyan milkar ek sahi nahi ban jaati
do biwian rakhna agar jaazyaz hai to do mian rakhna bhi ho jaana chahiye – ye hai ek galat se doosre galat ko justify karna
par aisi baatein sirf apni apni charpai ke neeche kuda sametne waali batein hain ..gandgi to wahin ki wahin rahi
aurat bhi insaan hai ..ab ye har aadmi ko maanna padega ..koj zuroorat nahi hai 7vi sadi ke dakiyanoosi soch ki jahaan bakrion aur auraton mein farq na ho
@Md Shahnawaz Hussain ..If you believe that Dr. Naik is always right ..then you are insulting your prophet
kalki g ham yeha par faltu ki baato me apna waqt jaya kar rahe hai samaj me itni burayia ho rahi hai us par kisi ka dhyan nahi ja raha hai shrab aur baar jua khane daru ki bhattiya aur na jane kitne ayse kam ho rahe hai jo pure hindustan ko barbad kar rahe hai har dharam k log barbad ho rahe hai uspar kisi ka dhyan akrshit karne k bajay dharm aur ved puran ki bato ko ched rahe hai hai is 21vi sadi ki jo burayiya hai usko khatam karne k bajaye aap ved pura aur kuran ki baato ko aap 21vii sadi se mach karna chah rahe hai aap
@Md Shahnawaz Hussain ..If you believe that Dr. Naik is always right ..then you are insulting your prophet
kalki g ham yeha par faltu ki baato me apna waqt jaya kar rahe hai samaj me itni burayia ho rahi hai us par kisi ka dhyan nahi ja raha hai shrab aur baar jua khane daru ki bhattiya aur na jane kitne ayse kam ho rahe hai jo pure hindustan ko barbad kar rahe hai har dharam k log barbad ho rahe hai uspar kisi ka dhyan akrshit karne k bajay dharm aur ved puran ki bato ko ched rahe hai hai is 21vi sadi ki jo burayiya hai usko khatam karne k bajaye aap ved pura aur kuran ki baato ko aap 21vii sadi se mach karna chah rahe hai aap
kalki 7 bv compalsury to islam ne ki nhi aur kon sa muslim aj k dor m 7bv ap muje 1 ka nam batiye. auat ki izat krna islam ne hi sikaya hmre nabi k ane s phle aurt ka istml kevl sex k lye kya jta tha nabi n aurtko br
kalki 7 bv compalsury to islam ne ki nhi aur kon sa muslim aj k dor m 7bv ap muje 1 ka nam batiye. auat ki izat krna islam ne hi sikaya hmre nabi k ane s phle aurt ka istml kevl sex k lye kya jta tha nabi n aurtko br
Ahmad g ..maine kahin par bhi ved ya kuran ko literally follow karne ki waqalat nahi ki
aap sahi keh rahe hain ki 21vi sadi ki kai aur problems bhi hain ..lekin ye Agniveer ka page rational humanism, spirituality ke topic ko dhyan mein rakhkar banaya gaya hai ..right ? agniveer site mein ye saaf saaf likha hua hai ..isliye yahaan is topic par main bhi apne comments post kar raha hun
insaan 21vi sadi mein bi dono aspects par nirbhar hai : spiritual aur secular .To jo hamari secular problems hain uske liye kai aur pages bhi hain jahan ham is par discuss kar sakte hain ..is page par hum spirituality aur humanism pe discuss kar sakte hain as far as i understand
Hindustan mein black money ka issue bhi hai , child labor ka issue bhi hai aur kai hazaar samasyaein hain ..lekin ham ek hi manch par sab to nahi discuss kar sakte na ..aapki kya rai hai ?
Ahmad g ..maine kahin par bhi ved ya kuran ko literally follow karne ki waqalat nahi ki
aap sahi keh rahe hain ki 21vi sadi ki kai aur problems bhi hain ..lekin ye Agniveer ka page rational humanism, spirituality ke topic ko dhyan mein rakhkar banaya gaya hai ..right ? agniveer site mein ye saaf saaf likha hua hai ..isliye yahaan is topic par main bhi apne comments post kar raha hun
insaan 21vi sadi mein bi dono aspects par nirbhar hai : spiritual aur secular .To jo hamari secular problems hain uske liye kai aur pages bhi hain jahan ham is par discuss kar sakte hain ..is page par hum spirituality aur humanism pe discuss kar sakte hain as far as i understand
Hindustan mein black money ka issue bhi hai , child labor ka issue bhi hai aur kai hazaar samasyaein hain ..lekin ham ek hi manch par sab to nahi discuss kar sakte na ..aapki kya rai hai ?
Mukhtar Ahamad ji ..7vi sadi ..matlab 7th century na ke 7vi biwi ..aap galat samjh baithe ..lol
Mukhtar Ahamad ji ..7vi sadi ..matlab 7th century na ke 7vi biwi ..aap galat samjh baithe ..lol
sahi kaha aap ne yeha par ham dusri samsyao k bare me baat nahi kar sakty thik hai fir aap wahi kijiye jo aap kar rahe hai sorry agar aap ko taklif hiyi ya agniveer ko koyi taklif huyi ho hamari baat ka
Ahmad Husain Shaikh Hum sab ek hi parivar ke bhai bandhu hain. Takleef kaisi? Aapka apna ghar hai.
sahi kaha aap ne yeha par ham dusri samsyao k bare me baat nahi kar sakty thik hai fir aap wahi kijiye jo aap kar rahe hai sorry agar aap ko taklif hiyi ya agniveer ko koyi taklif huyi ho hamari baat ka
Ahmad Husain Shaikh Hum sab ek hi parivar ke bhai bandhu hain. Takleef kaisi? Aapka apna ghar hai.
Ahmad ji …baat ye nahi hai doosri samasyaein na discuss ki jaen ..baat ye hai ki spirituality, humanism ko bhi nakara na jaay
aapne to wo waali baat kar di
dil bhi ik zid pe ada hai kisi bacche ki tarah
ya to sab kuch hi isay chaahiye ya kuch bhi nahi
accha aap batein is topic pe kaun si aur baat ki jaa sakti hai
Ahmad ji …baat ye nahi hai doosri samasyaein na discuss ki jaen ..baat ye hai ki spirituality, humanism ko bhi nakara na jaay
aapne to wo waali baat kar di
dil bhi ik zid pe ada hai kisi bacche ki tarah
ya to sab kuch hi isay chaahiye ya kuch bhi nahi
accha aap batein is topic pe kaun si aur baat ki jaa sakti hai
agniveer g fir ham kiu ek dusry par kichd uchal rahe hai ham kiu na apne apne marg ko majbuti se pakad kar chale aur kisi k marg ko galat na kahe
agniveer g fir ham kiu ek dusry par kichd uchal rahe hai ham kiu na apne apne marg ko majbuti se pakad kar chale aur kisi k marg ko galat na kahe
kalki j mai to chahta hu ki ham kahi bhi koi bhi baat jo dharam ko bich me lati hai na kare aur kam se kam jo bate sab dharm me ek ho usko logo ko bataye aur bhai chara badhaye wyse aap ki jysi marji
Ahmad ji ..yahaan main aapki rai se poori tarah se ittefaq nahi rakhta ..kai baar dharm (chahe wo hinduism ho, islam ho) insaaniyat ke raaste mein aa jata hai
aisay maslon par humko zuroor discuss karna chahiye ..agar hum apne apne dhadon mein insaaniyat ka khoon karte rehenge to ek din saari insaaniyat ka hi qatl ho jayega
haan ..ye surror hai ki hum respect aur compassion ke saath discuss karein
kalki j mai to chahta hu ki ham kahi bhi koi bhi baat jo dharam ko bich me lati hai na kare aur kam se kam jo bate sab dharm me ek ho usko logo ko bataye aur bhai chara badhaye wyse aap ki jysi marji
Ahmad ji ..yahaan main aapki rai se poori tarah se ittefaq nahi rakhta ..kai baar dharm (chahe wo hinduism ho, islam ho) insaaniyat ke raaste mein aa jata hai
aisay maslon par humko zuroor discuss karna chahiye ..agar hum apne apne dhadon mein insaaniyat ka khoon karte rehenge to ek din saari insaaniyat ka hi qatl ho jayega
haan ..ye surror hai ki hum respect aur compassion ke saath discuss karein
jakir naik sharm karo
kalki g allah ka shukar hai ki kuch to ittefaq kai aur allah kare ki ham dono ek dusre se pur tarah sei ittefaq kary chaliye ummid nahi chorna chahiye ummid par hi dunia kayem hai byeeeee allah hafiz .
jakir naik sharm karo
kalki g allah ka shukar hai ki kuch to ittefaq kai aur allah kare ki ham dono ek dusre se pur tarah sei ittefaq kary chaliye ummid nahi chorna chahiye ummid par hi dunia kayem hai byeeeee allah hafiz .
Ahmad ji jab lautiyega to is video ko zuroor dekhiyega
tab aap bhi kahenge ki mera poori tarah se ittefaq nahi kr paunga
topic ko chhod kar , mulla ji ki last wali baat suniyega ..hamari guftgu bhi kuch isi tarah ki thi ..main sahafi ki tarah insaaniyat pe tawajjo chahta hun, aap mulla ji ki tarah usay nakar dete the
ummeed hai hum khul ke har topic pe baat karenge ..clip ko otherwise mat lijiyega pls
Ahmad ji jab lautiyega to is video ko zuroor dekhiyega
tab aap bhi kahenge ki mera poori tarah se ittefaq nahi kr paunga
topic ko chhod kar , mulla ji ki last wali baat suniyega ..hamari guftgu bhi kuch isi tarah ki thi ..main sahafi ki tarah insaaniyat pe tawajjo chahta hun, aap mulla ji ki tarah usay nakar dete the
ummeed hai hum khul ke har topic pe baat karenge ..clip ko otherwise mat lijiyega pls
What about Arjuna- one f the brother of Pandava who had many wives. It is acceptable to have one wife for many brothers? You know its better to make a womend your wife inspite of having extra marital affairs to make the soceity clean. And give the woman an honour and name in the socity. The problem with you people is that you change your religion as per your comfort level.
Namste Mohammad Nafis ..Arjuna is no role model on this account ..Mahabharat depicts the evil and virtuous sides of these characters ..the lesson is to pick the virtues and not the vices
and the biggest thing is to respect women as equal human beings …just as you would noit like to be second husband to a women ..she would not like to be second wife of yours ..golden rule my friend ..thats all
What about Arjuna- one f the brother of Pandava who had many wives. It is acceptable to have one wife for many brothers? You know its better to make a womend your wife inspite of having extra marital affairs to make the soceity clean. And give the woman an honour and name in the socity. The problem with you people is that you change your religion as per your comfort level.
Namste Mohammad Nafis ..Arjuna is no role model on this account ..Mahabharat depicts the evil and virtuous sides of these characters ..the lesson is to pick the virtues and not the vices
and the biggest thing is to respect women as equal human beings …just as you would noit like to be second husband to a women ..she would not like to be second wife of yours ..golden rule my friend ..thats all
Mohammad Nafis
//The problem with you people is that you change your religion as per your comfort level//
FYI on comfort level ….living as per our animal instincts is more comfortable than resisting the animal within
chimpanzees and zebras keep harems..thats pure comfortable animal instinct…is that hard to figure out?
lets be human pls
Mohammad Nafis
//The problem with you people is that you change your religion as per your comfort level//
FYI on comfort level ….living as per our animal instincts is more comfortable than resisting the animal within
chimpanzees and zebras keep harems..thats pure comfortable animal instinct…is that hard to figure out?
lets be human pls
Kalki, islam kisi saudi amerzadi ke nikaah aur baaki cheezo se upar hai. Agar sachhe islam ko jan-na chahte ho to imaan ke saath Quran padho. Phir dekho aapki jindagi mei kitna badlaaw aata hai
@Kalkiji..accha laga aap ne yeh prashn uthaya..jo ki ek natural qsn he har insan ke liye jo “criticaly” sochta he.AAp ne jo prashn uthaye he
1)Kuran Icecream/facebook/ toyota car ke baare mein kya kehta he?
a1)Koran/hadees/fiqh isme bhi rehnumai kerta he..for example koran kehta he Halal cheez khao aur haram se bacho..to agar mujhe koi banda Ice cream khilaye aur kahe ki meine yeh ice cream dukan se chori ker ke layi he to woh ice cream mere liye HARAM ho jaye gi.Agar AAP JAISE SAJJAN PURUSH mujhe ice cream khilate he to wahi ice cream mere liye HALAL ho jayegi.
a2)Facebook is communication of medium…like PEN..to agar mein FB ka upyog AAP JAISE sajjan purush se GYAN lene liye kerta hu to FB HALAL he..aur agar mein FB ka upyog NANGAPAN aur other immoral act ke liye kerta hu to HARAM he…Isi tarah PEN ka upyog agar sacchai ke liye he to halal he..agar logon mein durbhavna phailane ke liye he to haram he…Per se FB/Ice crem is not haram but how one use it will make it haram/halal.
baaki prashn ka jawab mein nahi doonga ki mujhe poora yakeen he ki aap jaise gyani aadmi ke liye 2 example is enough…any how agar tab bhi aap ke man me kuch prashn he to aap bina jhijhak pooch le.
Kalki, islam kisi saudi amerzadi ke nikaah aur baaki cheezo se upar hai. Agar sachhe islam ko jan-na chahte ho to imaan ke saath Quran padho. Phir dekho aapki jindagi mei kitna badlaaw aata hai
@Kalkiji..accha laga aap ne yeh prashn uthaya..jo ki ek natural qsn he har insan ke liye jo “criticaly” sochta he.AAp ne jo prashn uthaye he
1)Kuran Icecream/facebook/ toyota car ke baare mein kya kehta he?
a1)Koran/hadees/fiqh isme bhi rehnumai kerta he..for example koran kehta he Halal cheez khao aur haram se bacho..to agar mujhe koi banda Ice cream khilaye aur kahe ki meine yeh ice cream dukan se chori ker ke layi he to woh ice cream mere liye HARAM ho jaye gi.Agar AAP JAISE SAJJAN PURUSH mujhe ice cream khilate he to wahi ice cream mere liye HALAL ho jayegi.
a2)Facebook is communication of medium…like PEN..to agar mein FB ka upyog AAP JAISE sajjan purush se GYAN lene liye kerta hu to FB HALAL he..aur agar mein FB ka upyog NANGAPAN aur other immoral act ke liye kerta hu to HARAM he…Isi tarah PEN ka upyog agar sacchai ke liye he to halal he..agar logon mein durbhavna phailane ke liye he to haram he…Per se FB/Ice crem is not haram but how one use it will make it haram/halal.
baaki prashn ka jawab mein nahi doonga ki mujhe poora yakeen he ki aap jaise gyani aadmi ke liye 2 example is enough…any how agar tab bhi aap ke man me kuch prashn he to aap bina jhijhak pooch le.
kaliki ji bhai m ap ka koi vdo aur n hi ap se kuch bahes krna chahta hoon bhas krna haram h ap ne insaniat ki bat ki h isliye m ap ko batana chahta hun jo insan nahi wo muslim nahi muslim bnne k liye insan hona zaroori h ap muje bol rahe ho ap ne 1 hi topic pakri hui h nahi aisa nahi h sharma ji ap keval islam k topik utha rahe ho bahu sadi ki bat apne hi ki thi sarma ji mai b humaniti ki taraf hun lekin humanity ayegi kaise apne logo ko usi topic p bat krna chaiye n ki kisi k dharm par kicher uvhar kr aj america urop humenity ki baat kr rahe h lkin sabse jyada balatkar ayiyasi jua sarab whan choro apne idhar dekho cort aise casses se bhare pare h koi b larki jab apne ghar se nikalti to man bap uske baa issat lotne ki dua krte h hame bhresta char k liye andolan krna padraha h ye sab kiyuon ho raha h aur ye kaise mitega apne socha kabhi sharma ji agar hr dharm k log apne2 dharm ka mazbooti se follow karen ye sab atometic mit jaye ga n ki 1 dusre k dharm p kicher uchalne se rahi baat aurat ki to ap log islam par kiyoun sabal utha rahe h hamare nbi k ane s pahle aurat ka istamal sex k liye kiya jata tha hamare nabi n aurat ko brabar ka hak diya aur aurat ki izzat krna sikhaya kal ap ka 1 topic nonvege ka tha main apse poochna chahta hoon ki dunia m kya islam hi only nonnegotiable h duniya k aur dharm muslim se zyada non vege khane wale aur bahut khate h ap log unko q nahi blte america urop china muslim se zyada non veg khate h kal ap ki isi sid p musalmano k des bhakt p sawal uthaya bhai mere ap kabhi andaza nahi laga sakte ki ham apne watan se kitna pyar krte h watanse nafrat to wo log krte h jinke swis bnk m acount h aur wo log jo yahan par rajnit k liye gareebo ka gala ghot rahe main hi nahi hamare poorwaj apne watan se bahut pyar krte the history gawah h ki unhone watan ki khatir jane luta di shrma ji apko agar kuch galat laga ho uske liye sorry mere khayal se kisi b dharm m na jakar samaj m jo burai faili h us p bat kro acha h koi dharm paap krne k liye nahi kahta sab agar apne2 dharm ka sachai se paln kren dunia m jitne b pap ho rahe h atometic khatm ho jaynge allah hafiz
kaliki ji bhai m ap ka koi vdo aur n hi ap se kuch bahes krna chahta hoon bhas krna haram h ap ne insaniat ki bat ki h isliye m ap ko batana chahta hun jo insan nahi wo muslim nahi muslim bnne k liye insan hona zaroori h ap muje bol rahe ho ap ne 1 hi topic pakri hui h nahi aisa nahi h sharma ji ap keval islam k topik utha rahe ho bahu sadi ki bat apne hi ki thi sarma ji mai b humaniti ki taraf hun lekin humanity ayegi kaise apne logo ko usi topic p bat krna chaiye n ki kisi k dharm par kicher uvhar kr aj america urop humenity ki baat kr rahe h lkin sabse jyada balatkar ayiyasi jua sarab whan choro apne idhar dekho cort aise casses se bhare pare h koi b larki jab apne ghar se nikalti to man bap uske baa issat lotne ki dua krte h hame bhresta char k liye andolan krna padraha h ye sab kiyuon ho raha h aur ye kaise mitega apne socha kabhi sharma ji agar hr dharm k log apne2 dharm ka mazbooti se follow karen ye sab atometic mit jaye ga n ki 1 dusre k dharm p kicher uchalne se rahi baat aurat ki to ap log islam par kiyoun sabal utha rahe h hamare nbi k ane s pahle aurat ka istamal sex k liye kiya jata tha hamare nabi n aurat ko brabar ka hak diya aur aurat ki izzat krna sikhaya kal ap ka 1 topic nonvege ka tha main apse poochna chahta hoon ki dunia m kya islam hi only nonnegotiable h duniya k aur dharm muslim se zyada non vege khane wale aur bahut khate h ap log unko q nahi blte america urop china muslim se zyada non veg khate h kal ap ki isi sid p musalmano k des bhakt p sawal uthaya bhai mere ap kabhi andaza nahi laga sakte ki ham apne watan se kitna pyar krte h watanse nafrat to wo log krte h jinke swis bnk m acount h aur wo log jo yahan par rajnit k liye gareebo ka gala ghot rahe main hi nahi hamare poorwaj apne watan se bahut pyar krte the history gawah h ki unhone watan ki khatir jane luta di shrma ji apko agar kuch galat laga ho uske liye sorry mere khayal se kisi b dharm m na jakar samaj m jo burai faili h us p bat kro acha h koi dharm paap krne k liye nahi kahta sab agar apne2 dharm ka sachai se paln kren dunia m jitne b pap ho rahe h atometic khatm ho jaynge allah hafiz
jaate jate shayad meine jo ooper baat kahi he use yeh skit bata de go..enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4QEqF1d7QE&feature=related
Mod Adil Nomani ji ..aapki meri guftgu offline bhi hoti rehti hai ..bas ek point par aapki tawajjo chahunga ..wo hai inheritance law …gar usay literally follow karein to wo galat ho jaata hai
baaki examples bhi isi liye diye ki hum samjh sakein ki literally to kisi qitaab ko follow hi nahi kiya jaa sakta ..
na hum us zamaane ke riwax hi follow kar sakte hain aur kuch to hamaara zameer hi gawara na kare aaj ke daur mein..kissa mukhtsar
jaate jate shayad meine jo ooper baat kahi he use yeh skit bata de go..enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4QEqF1d7QE&feature=related
Mod Adil Nomani ji ..aapki meri guftgu offline bhi hoti rehti hai ..bas ek point par aapki tawajjo chahunga ..wo hai inheritance law …gar usay literally follow karein to wo galat ho jaata hai
baaki examples bhi isi liye diye ki hum samjh sakein ki literally to kisi qitaab ko follow hi nahi kiya jaa sakta ..
na hum us zamaane ke riwax hi follow kar sakte hain aur kuch to hamaara zameer hi gawara na kare aaj ke daur mein..kissa mukhtsar
whats the discussion all about?
mujhe inheritence law pe aap ka objection (prashn) kya he..woh bataye aap ne in general likha he ….kindly elaborate.
whats the discussion all about?
mujhe inheritence law pe aap ka objection (prashn) kya he..woh bataye aap ne in general likha he ….kindly elaborate.
Mukhtar Ahamad ji
khuda ke waaste ye na sochien ke main kisi bhi Indian Muslim ko shaq ki nigah se dekhta hun ..gara aapko meri koi bhi post aisi nazar aayi ho to batein warna is tarah ka ilzaam na lagaein
aapse bhi main yahi kehna chahunga ki polygamy ya aurat ko hume us purani nazar se nahi dekhna chahiye
na to aap religious text ko aaj literally follow kar sakte hain , aur na hi un cheezon ko follow lkarna chahiye jo insaniyat ya equality ke khilaaf hon ..chahe wo hinduism mein hin , ya islam mein hon
non-veg ki baat aaapne ki ..to maine hamesha kaha ki non-veg logically, environmentally, healthiwse and economically ek galat decision hai ..maine koi fatwa thode hi diya hai ke kal se koi na khaay ..main to insaaniyat ke hawale se aap se darkhwast hi kar sakta hun wo maine ki ..saath hi scientifc facts bhi shre kiye ..agar aapko un sacchiyon ne nahi hilaya to theek hai ..par kuch logon ke zameer ko wo baat kachotegi aur wo sahi cheez apna lenge ..aur isme to humne hindu-muslim discuss hi nahi kiya
baaki pls ye jaan lijiye ke mujhe Indian muslims pe garv hai jo galat hawaon ke behkaawe mein nahi aate jaisa baaki jagahon par hota hai ..kabhi dobara ye shuba na takhiyega pls
Somil we are discussing if literally following religious injunctions/text is right or wrong ?
Mukhtar Ahamad ji
khuda ke waaste ye na sochien ke main kisi bhi Indian Muslim ko shaq ki nigah se dekhta hun ..gara aapko meri koi bhi post aisi nazar aayi ho to batein warna is tarah ka ilzaam na lagaein
aapse bhi main yahi kehna chahunga ki polygamy ya aurat ko hume us purani nazar se nahi dekhna chahiye
na to aap religious text ko aaj literally follow kar sakte hain , aur na hi un cheezon ko follow lkarna chahiye jo insaniyat ya equality ke khilaaf hon ..chahe wo hinduism mein hin , ya islam mein hon
non-veg ki baat aaapne ki ..to maine hamesha kaha ki non-veg logically, environmentally, healthiwse and economically ek galat decision hai ..maine koi fatwa thode hi diya hai ke kal se koi na khaay ..main to insaaniyat ke hawale se aap se darkhwast hi kar sakta hun wo maine ki ..saath hi scientifc facts bhi shre kiye ..agar aapko un sacchiyon ne nahi hilaya to theek hai ..par kuch logon ke zameer ko wo baat kachotegi aur wo sahi cheez apna lenge ..aur isme to humne hindu-muslim discuss hi nahi kiya
baaki pls ye jaan lijiye ke mujhe Indian muslims pe garv hai jo galat hawaon ke behkaawe mein nahi aate jaisa baaki jagahon par hota hai ..kabhi dobara ye shuba na takhiyega pls
Somil we are discussing if literally following religious injunctions/text is right or wrong ?
i am of the view that we cant follow all things literally for all times to come ..its neither possible nor aligned with humanity
i am of the view that we cant follow all things literally for all times to come ..its neither possible nor aligned with humanity
WRONG! it would be insane actually. we need to analyse every thing and accept good & reject the evil and illogics from it.
WRONG! it would be insane actually. we need to analyse every thing and accept good & reject the evil and illogics from it.
“na hum us zamaane ke riwax hi follow kar sakte hain aur kuch to hamaara zameer hi gawara na kare aaj ke daur mein..kissa mukhtsar”
samj ke reeti riwaj aur soch badal rahi he yeh mein bhi manta hu mein ek baat apko hypothetical example de ker samjhata hu.
Door bhavishya mein kabhi chaliye samj evolve hota he aur samaj ko lage ki “bahu vivah” pratha is natural so laws comes into picture that bahu vivah is mandatory & man can have maximum10 wife..tab bhi Koran yehi kahega OK bahu vivah tk to theek he lekin not more than 4 at a time..laws are universaly applicable.
Ab door kyun jaate he western society mein to vivah ki paribhasha hi badal di he..ab ek stri/stri se purush/purush se” shadi “ker sakta he Koran tab yeh rehnumai kerta hei its unnatural etc.To is yug mein bhi koran ne rasta dikhaya.
for a joke shayad aap muskra de kya gay marriage me bahu vivah(pati??patni) rakhna western kanoon ijazat deta he???
“na hum us zamaane ke riwax hi follow kar sakte hain aur kuch to hamaara zameer hi gawara na kare aaj ke daur mein..kissa mukhtsar”
samj ke reeti riwaj aur soch badal rahi he yeh mein bhi manta hu mein ek baat apko hypothetical example de ker samjhata hu.
Door bhavishya mein kabhi chaliye samj evolve hota he aur samaj ko lage ki “bahu vivah” pratha is natural so laws comes into picture that bahu vivah is mandatory & man can have maximum10 wife..tab bhi Koran yehi kahega OK bahu vivah tk to theek he lekin not more than 4 at a time..laws are universaly applicable.
Ab door kyun jaate he western society mein to vivah ki paribhasha hi badal di he..ab ek stri/stri se purush/purush se” shadi “ker sakta he Koran tab yeh rehnumai kerta hei its unnatural etc.To is yug mein bhi koran ne rasta dikhaya.
for a joke shayad aap muskra de kya gay marriage me bahu vivah(pati??patni) rakhna western kanoon ijazat deta he???
Adil ji .. inheritance law ko kai conditions mein insani dakhal ke baad sahi kiya jaata hai …wo directly apply nahi ki jaa sakti
aur saahab ..na to pehle ke zamane mein aur na hi aaj hi aurat /aadmi ka ration 4:1 raha hai ..jab se gina gaya hai almost 1:1 raha hai
ye hai country wise ratio :
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2018.html
aur aapke joke pe ek counter joke
..agar aap dekhein to silamic countries mein men ka ration womens say kam hai (both ways total and marriageable) ..to kya wahaan polyandry ki kanoon izazat de de ?
rahi aapki baat ek fixed number ki ..to aaj kal ke halat mein jo shaqs 4 biwian karta hai wo kareeb 6 logon ka haq cheen leta hai ..to ye logically bhi zyadati hai
Adil ji .. inheritance law ko kai conditions mein insani dakhal ke baad sahi kiya jaata hai …wo directly apply nahi ki jaa sakti
aur saahab ..na to pehle ke zamane mein aur na hi aaj hi aurat /aadmi ka ration 4:1 raha hai ..jab se gina gaya hai almost 1:1 raha hai
ye hai country wise ratio :
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2018.html
aur aapke joke pe ek counter joke
..agar aap dekhein to silamic countries mein men ka ration womens say kam hai (both ways total and marriageable) ..to kya wahaan polyandry ki kanoon izazat de de ?
rahi aapki baat ek fixed number ki ..to aaj kal ke halat mein jo shaqs 4 biwian karta hai wo kareeb 6 logon ka haq cheen leta hai ..to ye logically bhi zyadati hai
agar purush ko bahuvivah ka adhikar doge to fir Striyon ko bhi do
agar purush ko bahuvivah ka adhikar doge to fir Striyon ko bhi do
Scientifically dekha jay to kewal ek stri k sath hi aajivan sambhog karne wale purush k mukable me bahu stri k sath sambhog karne wale k umar kam pai gai he
i general avoid using net link to cut & paste..just see the view of Annie Beasant.The quote is with ref to western society…but u will agree that India is also embracing few western civilisation trait.
“There is pretended monogamy in the West, but there is really polygamy without responsibility; the mistress is cast off when the man is weary of her, and sinks gradually to the ‘woman of the street, for the first lover has no responsibility for her future and she is a hundred times worse off than the sheltered wife and mother in the polygamous home. When we see thousands of miserable women who crowd the streets of Western towns during the night, we must surely feel that it does not lie within western mouth to reproach Islam for polygamy. It is better for woman, happier for woman, more respectable for woman, to live in polygamy, united to one man only with the legitimate child in her arms, and surrounded with respect, than to be seduced, cast out in the Street – perhaps with an illegitimate child outside the pale of the law -unsheltered and uncared for, to become the victim of any passerby, night after night, rendered incapable of motherhood despised by all.” — Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras, 1932, p.3.
Source:http://www.twf.org/Library/Polygamy.html
Scientifically dekha jay to kewal ek stri k sath hi aajivan sambhog karne wale purush k mukable me bahu stri k sath sambhog karne wale k umar kam pai gai he
i general avoid using net link to cut & paste..just see the view of Annie Beasant.The quote is with ref to western society…but u will agree that India is also embracing few western civilisation trait.
“There is pretended monogamy in the West, but there is really polygamy without responsibility; the mistress is cast off when the man is weary of her, and sinks gradually to the ‘woman of the street, for the first lover has no responsibility for her future and she is a hundred times worse off than the sheltered wife and mother in the polygamous home. When we see thousands of miserable women who crowd the streets of Western towns during the night, we must surely feel that it does not lie within western mouth to reproach Islam for polygamy. It is better for woman, happier for woman, more respectable for woman, to live in polygamy, united to one man only with the legitimate child in her arms, and surrounded with respect, than to be seduced, cast out in the Street – perhaps with an illegitimate child outside the pale of the law -unsheltered and uncared for, to become the victim of any passerby, night after night, rendered incapable of motherhood despised by all.” — Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras, 1932, p.3.
Source:http://www.twf.org/Library/Polygamy.html
Good better best…..padhaya tha teacher ne Monogamy is best….Polygamy is good.
Good better best…..padhaya tha teacher ne Monogamy is best….Polygamy is good.
Kyo bhai aap ko zakir naik ki bate ghtiya lagti hai kya?………. aap last statement m kya likha hai
Kyo bhai aap ko zakir naik ki bate ghtiya lagti hai kya?………. aap last statement m kya likha hai
meine kabhi apna paksh population /ratio ke adahr pe nahi rakha…..to yeh argument to aap pe lagu ho sakta he u oppose polygamy so what is the solution for humanity if there are more woman then men or VV.
“rahi aapki baat ek fixed number ki ..to aaj kal ke halat mein jo shaqs 4 biwian karta hai wo kareeb 6 logon ka haq cheen leta hai ..to ye logically bhi zyadati hai
”
aap ka yeh logic samajh nahi aaya khul ke bataye…raha inheritence ki baat to woh bhi elaborate kare do not be vague pl
meine kabhi apna paksh population /ratio ke adahr pe nahi rakha…..to yeh argument to aap pe lagu ho sakta he u oppose polygamy so what is the solution for humanity if there are more woman then men or VV.
“rahi aapki baat ek fixed number ki ..to aaj kal ke halat mein jo shaqs 4 biwian karta hai wo kareeb 6 logon ka haq cheen leta hai ..to ye logically bhi zyadati hai
”
aap ka yeh logic samajh nahi aaya khul ke bataye…raha inheritence ki baat to woh bhi elaborate kare do not be vague pl
any how signing off for the day.i would like to thanks almighty than Agniveer for giving me & others platform for such a lively discussion.May peace be upon all of u.shabba kher
any how signing off for the day.i would like to thanks almighty than Agniveer for giving me & others platform for such a lively discussion.May peace be upon all of u.shabba kher
Mohd Nomani ji ..see you tomorrow
meanwhile my reply :
see inheritance law is to be adjusted by humans ..by Quran it becomes impossible to apply ..take a single widower that leaves a daughter behind ..she gets half ..wher does the rest go ?
aur apne statistics nahi dekhe ..the ratio is almost equal to 1 worldwide and also country wise ..so monogamy is the best solution logically too while polygamy is the worst solution ..its best verses ugly and not best versus good
again , on annei besant’s comment ..we have to look at her times …she in the theosophical soceity and men of those times had mistresses ..but she did not know that polygamous muslims till those time still kept “right hand possessions” – mistresses
so what did we have legally polygamous muslisms with mistresses and legally monogamous christains and hindus with mistresses ..so polygamy was no solution at all ..why? because of the root of the evil – and the root of the evil is treating men as animals and women as sex objects and unequal – this needs to go sir ..again the comparions is not good versus best ..but best versus ugly
hope to catch up with you tomorrow evening
Mohd Nomani ji ..see you tomorrow
meanwhile my reply :
see inheritance law is to be adjusted by humans ..by Quran it becomes impossible to apply ..take a single widower that leaves a daughter behind ..she gets half ..wher does the rest go ?
aur apne statistics nahi dekhe ..the ratio is almost equal to 1 worldwide and also country wise ..so monogamy is the best solution logically too while polygamy is the worst solution ..its best verses ugly and not best versus good
again , on annei besant’s comment ..we have to look at her times …she in the theosophical soceity and men of those times had mistresses ..but she did not know that polygamous muslims till those time still kept “right hand possessions” – mistresses
so what did we have legally polygamous muslisms with mistresses and legally monogamous christains and hindus with mistresses ..so polygamy was no solution at all ..why? because of the root of the evil – and the root of the evil is treating men as animals and women as sex objects and unequal – this needs to go sir ..again the comparions is not good versus best ..but best versus ugly
hope to catch up with you tomorrow evening
Parm-atma apko hume our sb ko sat budhi de bahas na krne k ur sty ka sth dene k smaj m apas m foot na dalne ki
Parm-atma apko hume our sb ko sat budhi de bahas na krne k ur sty ka sth dene k smaj m apas m foot na dalne ki
vedo mai aik ,aik baat 100% sahi hai.
vedo mai aik ,aik baat 100% sahi hai.
Dear ,mr.Agniveer I just ca’nt recall how i incidently started getting shares/links to ur website.I don’t have any intrest in entering into a fruitless discoures with somebody nurturing deep rooted prejudice .I like my other fellow muslim have always tried hard to ensure :
1) an amicable good working relation-ship with the followers of brahaminical or other Indian sects of belief.
2) to avoid anything that may adversely affect this peaceful co-existence.
But,befor we part I may draw ur attention towards a few things that u and ur web site want to convey:
1)Islam is bad and muslims are invaders.
2)Brahamnical Hinduism is the only and oldest religon of the world.
3)Muslims are polygamists,ease loving,fanatical war mongers.
4)Brahamins are a peaceful innocent lot,totally non-violent,who eat only things like milk,honey and vegetables.
5)They neither wage a war nor ever had any idea about it.
6)Islam,their prophet,their belief,their culture,their book and all its followers are bad despisable people who deserve not only to be destroyed by all possible Overt/covert means but may be -like Hitler’s -sent to gas chamber. My dear this facade of injured innocence had been worn by HINDU FASCISTS since long.U have told me nothing that surprises me.We always knew it. Keep worshipping everything on hand except ALLAH the original and thhe ONly creator.By violating ALLAH the due recognition of HIS power,Might and creation.U r commiting a sin,unforgivable.May Allah give u enlightenment,and Deliver u from the IGNORANCE,HATRED,and FALSE-HOOD.
1) presenting Islam as a threat to Hi
Brother!
If you are really peaceful & non discriminator with others (Unlike other Muslim commentors on this website), then congratulations !!! You are not a threat.
One thing I am not able to get! Why NO ONE reads what does Agniveer stands for ? See that link at very top of this comment. From there, you will recall, who actually agniveer is.
From your post, it was clear that you are a Muslim. So, you could be knowing that majority of terrorists are Muslims. Agniveer attacks only those who support a terrorist. I believe that because of terrorists only, even good muslims are insulted. Islam is indeed a religion of peace PROVIDED terrorism is eliminated. Providing another link which will help you know what does Agniveer actually wants: agniveer.com/2623/islam-peace/
& agniveer.com/2668/good-muslims/
Hope you just think over it before giving any judgement. Let the peace prevail.
t add a few more things about the FALLACIES u believe and hence base ur propganda of communal hatred are:
1) Muslims produce more children and hence have increased the Population of the country.
Answer:China and India are the Worlds two largest populus countries and 85% of this population is NOT muslim.
2)All/Majority of Muslims are Polygamists and there population rate increase very rapidly.
ANSWER:The Arab Countries are 95% Muslim but are neither the worlds most Poulus countries,nor they are SEEKING for Jobs in other countries.By ur calculations If Hundered years ago MUSLIMs were popualated this chunk of land they must by now have required DOUBLE the land or may be more.
3) HINDU are the ONLY IDOL worshippers, and Only people who can CLAIM of any ANCIENT civilization.
REPLY: EGYPTIAN/MESPOTAMIAN/PALESTINIAN/IRANIAN/ROMAN/GREEK and even many other cultures like MAYANS of South America all are ANCIENT civilizations ,and they all had worshipped some sort of IDOLS in past but later realised the futility and Embraced ISLAM.
4) CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM OR together call semitic religons are the ONLY other religons apart from BRAHAMANISM.
REPLY: Chinese TAOISM/CONFUSCISM ,Japanese SHINTO and not to speak of Various shades of BUDDHISM/JAINISM are also ritualistic and nature worshippers BUT disagree with many BRAHMINICAL beliefs.
Brother!
Agniveer has repeatedly mentioned that it has highest respect for good Muslims. That’s why they consider Ashfaqullah Khan a noble person and even their role model. Their logic is simple: A true Muslim is he who does not aspire for “Jannat” but wants to come back to serve his motherland again & again. I don’t think there is anything wrong in this logic…
Please read this link http://agniveer.com/4002/live-and-let-live/
Your some points are logical (I don’t know how people of Arabs live as I don’t have that knowledge) but ancient Egyptian – Sumerian & Mayan civilizations are almost dead. Palestenian & Mesopotamian is now only a minority. Ancient Indian civilization survives even today. There are roughly 800 million Hindus today (among top 5 faiths in the world).
Anyways brother! Before defining any perception, please go through the links which were given. Thanks…
polygamy is practised more by arabs than by south asians.
Indian muslims are consciously or unintentionally following vedic dharma.
polygamy is practised more by arabs than by south asians.
Indian muslims are consciously or unintentionally following vedic dharma.
Thanks for view kalki…i respect your sentiment not your view.
Additional Info:
1)In the rajasthan,Up border ares there are families who are sharing one wife among brothers.
2)There is acute shortage of girl in Punjab now many girls from kerela are being married to punjabis.
Thanks for view kalki…i respect your sentiment not your view.
Additional Info:
1)In the rajasthan,Up border ares there are families who are sharing one wife among brothers.
2)There is acute shortage of girl in Punjab now many girls from kerela are being married to punjabis.
polygamous muslisms with mistresses…How can be second wife mistress??
polygamous muslisms with mistresses…How can be second wife mistress??
what is ur view on niyog vivah?
what is ur view on niyog vivah?
FYI what is your solution in following case.
In the United States today, there is a severe gender crisis in the black community. One out of every twenty young black males may die before reaching the age of 21. For those between 20 and 35 years of age, homicide is the leading cause of death. 65 Besides, many young black males are unemployed, in jail, or on dope. 66 As a result, one in four black women, at age 40, has never married, as compared with one in ten white women. 67 Moreover, many young black females become single mothers before the age of 20 and find themselves in need of providers. The end result of these tragic circumstances is that an increasing number of black women are engaged in what is called ‘man-sharing’. 68 That is, many of these hapless single black women are involved in affairs with married men. The wives are often unaware of the fact that other women are ‘sharing’ their husbands with them. Some observers of the crisis of man-sharing in the African American community strongly recommend consensual polygamy as a temporary answer to the shortage of black males until more comprehensive reforms in the American society at large are undertaken. 69 By consensual polygamy they mean a polygamy that is sanctioned by the community and to which all the parties involved have agreed, as opposed to the usually secret man-sharing which is detrimental both to the wife and to the community in general. The problem of man-sharing in the African American community was the topic of a panel discussion held at Temple University in Philadelphia on January 27, 1993. 70 Some of the speakers recommended polygamy as one potential remedy for the crisis. They also suggested that polygamy should not be banned by law, particularly in a society that tolerates prostitution and mistresses. The comment of one woman from the audience that African Americans needed to learn from Africa where polygamy was responsibly practiced elicited enthusiastic applause.
Philip Kilbride, an American anthropologist of Roman Catholic heritage, in his provocative book, Plural marriage for our time, proposes polygamy as a solution to some of the ills of the American society at large. He argues that plural marriage may serve as a potential alternative for divorce in many cases in order to obviate the damaging impact of divorce on many children. He maintains that many divorces are caused by the rampant extramarital affairs in the American society. According to Kilbride, ending an extramarital affair in a polygamous marriage, rather than in a divorce, is better for the children, “Children would be better served if family augmentation rather than only separation and dissolution were seen as options.” Moreover, he suggests that other groups will also benefit from plural marriage such as: elderly women who face a chronic shortage of men and the African Americans who are involved in man-sharing.
FYI what is your solution in following case.
In the United States today, there is a severe gender crisis in the black community. One out of every twenty young black males may die before reaching the age of 21. For those between 20 and 35 years of age, homicide is the leading cause of death. 65 Besides, many young black males are unemployed, in jail, or on dope. 66 As a result, one in four black women, at age 40, has never married, as compared with one in ten white women. 67 Moreover, many young black females become single mothers before the age of 20 and find themselves in need of providers. The end result of these tragic circumstances is that an increasing number of black women are engaged in what is called ‘man-sharing’. 68 That is, many of these hapless single black women are involved in affairs with married men. The wives are often unaware of the fact that other women are ‘sharing’ their husbands with them. Some observers of the crisis of man-sharing in the African American community strongly recommend consensual polygamy as a temporary answer to the shortage of black males until more comprehensive reforms in the American society at large are undertaken. 69 By consensual polygamy they mean a polygamy that is sanctioned by the community and to which all the parties involved have agreed, as opposed to the usually secret man-sharing which is detrimental both to the wife and to the community in general. The problem of man-sharing in the African American community was the topic of a panel discussion held at Temple University in Philadelphia on January 27, 1993. 70 Some of the speakers recommended polygamy as one potential remedy for the crisis. They also suggested that polygamy should not be banned by law, particularly in a society that tolerates prostitution and mistresses. The comment of one woman from the audience that African Americans needed to learn from Africa where polygamy was responsibly practiced elicited enthusiastic applause.
Philip Kilbride, an American anthropologist of Roman Catholic heritage, in his provocative book, Plural marriage for our time, proposes polygamy as a solution to some of the ills of the American society at large. He argues that plural marriage may serve as a potential alternative for divorce in many cases in order to obviate the damaging impact of divorce on many children. He maintains that many divorces are caused by the rampant extramarital affairs in the American society. According to Kilbride, ending an extramarital affair in a polygamous marriage, rather than in a divorce, is better for the children, “Children would be better served if family augmentation rather than only separation and dissolution were seen as options.” Moreover, he suggests that other groups will also benefit from plural marriage such as: elderly women who face a chronic shortage of men and the African Americans who are involved in man-sharing.
Billy Graham, the eminent Christian evangelist has recognized this fact: “Christianity cannot compromise on the question of polygamy. If present-day Christianity cannot do so, it is to its own detriment. Islam has permitted polygamy as a solution to social ills and has allowed a certain degree of latitude to human nature but only within the strictly defined framework of the law. Christian countries make a great show of monogamy, but actually they practice polygamy. No one is unaware of the part mistresses play in Western society. In this respect Islam is a fundamentally honest religion, and permits a Muslim to marry a second wife if he must, but strictly forbids all clandestine amatory associations in order to safeguard the moral probity of the community.” 75
Billy Graham, the eminent Christian evangelist has recognized this fact: “Christianity cannot compromise on the question of polygamy. If present-day Christianity cannot do so, it is to its own detriment. Islam has permitted polygamy as a solution to social ills and has allowed a certain degree of latitude to human nature but only within the strictly defined framework of the law. Christian countries make a great show of monogamy, but actually they practice polygamy. No one is unaware of the part mistresses play in Western society. In this respect Islam is a fundamentally honest religion, and permits a Muslim to marry a second wife if he must, but strictly forbids all clandestine amatory associations in order to safeguard the moral probity of the community.” 75
Coming to polygamy, i wonder if Krishna married 16108 wives, why Swami Dyananad and it’s ilks have likeness for it?
Coming to polygamy, i wonder if Krishna married 16108 wives, why Swami Dyananad and it’s ilks have likeness for it?
kalki ji ke us comment ka ans. dena chahoonga ke agar aadami 2 shadiyan kar sakta hai to aurat do shadi kyoun nahi kar sakti wo kehte hain ki aurat mard barabar hain to kalki ji dr. se ilna padega aap ko kyonki phir ek bacchha aap ki patni paida kare aur ek aap paida kariye aur yahi nahi agar vistrit jaankari chahte hai to kahiye bataoonga ki aurat mard ko exactly equal karne ke liye aap ko kitni kurbaani deni hogi yaar sirf bacchoon wali baatein karna jante ho aap?
kalki ji ke us comment ka ans. dena chahoonga ke agar aadami 2 shadiyan kar sakta hai to aurat do shadi kyoun nahi kar sakti wo kehte hain ki aurat mard barabar hain to kalki ji dr. se ilna padega aap ko kyonki phir ek bacchha aap ki patni paida kare aur ek aap paida kariye aur yahi nahi agar vistrit jaankari chahte hai to kahiye bataoonga ki aurat mard ko exactly equal karne ke liye aap ko kitni kurbaani deni hogi yaar sirf bacchoon wali baatein karna jante ho aap?
ye log apne dharam ka to satyanaas kar chuke hai is liye chahte hai ki koi b apne dharm ki izzat na kare , jaise ye nahi karte …. ye log sach nahi dekh sakte …… waise ram ke pita ki 4 biwiya thi…..
ye log apne dharam ka to satyanaas kar chuke hai is liye chahte hai ki koi b apne dharm ki izzat na kare , jaise ye nahi karte …. ye log sach nahi dekh sakte …… waise ram ke pita ki 4 biwiya thi…..
dr.zakir nayak nabiyo k raste par hai…or hamare nabi ka rasta kabhi galat nai ho sakta…kya muje koi ye batayega ki bhagwan krishan ki kitni patniya thi wo to bhagwan hai apke??or koi ye bataye ki dropti ke kitne pati they???being a muslim lady hame pata hai ki kis condition m 4 shadi jayaz hai…so stop discussion rubbish…or bhi gham hai zamane main…aap kare to bhagwan ham kare to morcha?????
dr.zakir nayak nabiyo k raste par hai…or hamare nabi ka rasta kabhi galat nai ho sakta…kya muje koi ye batayega ki bhagwan krishan ki kitni patniya thi wo to bhagwan hai apke??or koi ye bataye ki dropti ke kitne pati they???being a muslim lady hame pata hai ki kis condition m 4 shadi jayaz hai…so stop discussion rubbish…or bhi gham hai zamane main…aap kare to bhagwan ham kare to morcha?????
Mohd Adil Nomani ji
maine to socha tha ki aap maan gaye sahi baat ..abhi dekhta hun aapne kai posts kiye hain par wo sabhi mere points ka answer nahi dete
you don’t have to respect my sentiments or views ..you just have to respect the facts …because those who deny the facts are denied by facts sooner or later
a) i showed you that Quran cannot be followed literally by quoting the inheritance example .you know you cannot so you went silent on that rather than admitting my point that human beings should use their brains ..god has not given it for nothing – we must choose the right thing and reject the ambiguous or invalid thing.
b)polygamy
polygamy is an insult to women as equal individuals ..it also destroys families and society as has been reported in many research reports done on Saudis and Yemenis
a recent example is the shariazation that is happening in the new libya .. here is the voice of women and what they feel in response to polygamy resurfacing in libya
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/world/africa/libyan-leaders-remark-favoring-polygamy-stirs-anger.html?_r=2&ref=adamnossiter
“All the girls are mad that he said that,” said Bushra ben Omran, a 20-year-old English student. “I don’t want to marry somebody who is already married.”
“He should not have said this in his speech,” Ms. Omran added. “He didn’t focus on all the injured people” from the revolution, she said. “I didn’t expect this.”
Rehab Zehany, 20, who said Mr. Abdel-Jalil was merely following the dictates of the Koran, added, when asked if she would accept her husband taking a second wife: “Of course not! I would kill him!”
polygyny is nothing but pampering and condoning the animal lust within man.If you tell a man its right to be an animal , he takes the lessons elsewhere also …see how polygamous muslims exploit the social security system in uk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041244/Polygamy-Investigation-Muslim-men-exploit-UK-benefits-system.html
“The social workers said the multiple marriages are encouraged by a welfare system which allows a second, third or fourth wife to be treated as a single mother who gets a house and an array of other state payments for herself and her children.
Controversially, it means that a man can take a new spouse (from anywhere in the world), sire any number of children with her, and yet have no responsibility for this family’s upkeep or care.”
Mohd Adil Nomani ji
maine to socha tha ki aap maan gaye sahi baat ..abhi dekhta hun aapne kai posts kiye hain par wo sabhi mere points ka answer nahi dete
you don’t have to respect my sentiments or views ..you just have to respect the facts …because those who deny the facts are denied by facts sooner or later
a) i showed you that Quran cannot be followed literally by quoting the inheritance example .you know you cannot so you went silent on that rather than admitting my point that human beings should use their brains ..god has not given it for nothing – we must choose the right thing and reject the ambiguous or invalid thing.
b)polygamy
polygamy is an insult to women as equal individuals ..it also destroys families and society as has been reported in many research reports done on Saudis and Yemenis
a recent example is the shariazation that is happening in the new libya .. here is the voice of women and what they feel in response to polygamy resurfacing in libya
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/world/africa/libyan-leaders-remark-favoring-polygamy-stirs-anger.html?_r=2&ref=adamnossiter
“All the girls are mad that he said that,” said Bushra ben Omran, a 20-year-old English student. “I don’t want to marry somebody who is already married.”
“He should not have said this in his speech,” Ms. Omran added. “He didn’t focus on all the injured people” from the revolution, she said. “I didn’t expect this.”
Rehab Zehany, 20, who said Mr. Abdel-Jalil was merely following the dictates of the Koran, added, when asked if she would accept her husband taking a second wife: “Of course not! I would kill him!”
polygyny is nothing but pampering and condoning the animal lust within man.If you tell a man its right to be an animal , he takes the lessons elsewhere also …see how polygamous muslims exploit the social security system in uk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041244/Polygamy-Investigation-Muslim-men-exploit-UK-benefits-system.html
“The social workers said the multiple marriages are encouraged by a welfare system which allows a second, third or fourth wife to be treated as a single mother who gets a house and an array of other state payments for herself and her children.
Controversially, it means that a man can take a new spouse (from anywhere in the world), sire any number of children with her, and yet have no responsibility for this family’s upkeep or care.”
//polygamous muslisms with mistresses…How can be second wife mistress??//
my friend Nomani ji ..do you know of “right hand possessions” ..right hand possesions are captured or bought sex slaves – yes they are not mistresses ..they are in a worse situation than mistresses
//polygamous muslisms with mistresses…How can be second wife mistress??//
my friend Nomani ji ..do you know of “right hand possessions” ..right hand possesions are captured or bought sex slaves – yes they are not mistresses ..they are in a worse situation than mistresses
//FYI what is your solution in following case.
In the United States today, there is a severe gender crisis in the black community//
there is no solution ..because it is not a problem at all
embrace knowledge dispel ignorance
http://racerelations.about.com/od/diversitymatters/a/Four-Myths-About-Black-Marriage.htm
//FYI what is your solution in following case.
In the United States today, there is a severe gender crisis in the black community//
there is no solution ..because it is not a problem at all
embrace knowledge dispel ignorance
http://racerelations.about.com/od/diversitymatters/a/Four-Myths-About-Black-Marriage.htm
and billy graham is a joke in america …as i have argued earlier …polygamy does not arrest the animal in a man ..it rather abets it ..as is well nown from the case of Saudis visiting hyderabad for marrying child brides and then divorcing them to join their polygamous families
Parwaan ansari ji …aap baat ko samajh nahi paay … polygamy ka arth apne aap mein hi polygyny(bahu patni) aur polyandry(bahu pati) ko samte huye hai ..mai dono ko hi galat janta hun
rahi baat kaun kiska beta hai ..to saahab ye maa ke alaawa koi nahi bata sakta ..chahe ek pati ho ya kai pati hon ..ya phir doctor bata sakta hai dna report se ..to appki problem to science hi solve kar deti hai
mujhe pata hai ki har cheez mein equality nahi hoti ..par kai cheezon mein hoti hai ..shaadi do parivaron ka bandhan hota hai ..do logon ka nahi …aur dono parivaron men mard auratein dono hote hain …is lihaaj se equality dekhi jaa sakti hai agar scoh dakiyanoosi bhi ho
polygamy ne kai problems past mein khade kiye hain aur present mein bhi karte hai ..sociolists ne isay gehrai se study kiya hai aur iska dushparinam batay hai
acchi baat pe amal kijiye, buri pe nahi danyawad
and billy graham is a joke in america …as i have argued earlier …polygamy does not arrest the animal in a man ..it rather abets it ..as is well nown from the case of Saudis visiting hyderabad for marrying child brides and then divorcing them to join their polygamous families
Parwaan ansari ji …aap baat ko samajh nahi paay … polygamy ka arth apne aap mein hi polygyny(bahu patni) aur polyandry(bahu pati) ko samte huye hai ..mai dono ko hi galat janta hun
rahi baat kaun kiska beta hai ..to saahab ye maa ke alaawa koi nahi bata sakta ..chahe ek pati ho ya kai pati hon ..ya phir doctor bata sakta hai dna report se ..to appki problem to science hi solve kar deti hai
mujhe pata hai ki har cheez mein equality nahi hoti ..par kai cheezon mein hoti hai ..shaadi do parivaron ka bandhan hota hai ..do logon ka nahi …aur dono parivaron men mard auratein dono hote hain …is lihaaj se equality dekhi jaa sakti hai agar scoh dakiyanoosi bhi ho
polygamy ne kai problems past mein khade kiye hain aur present mein bhi karte hai ..sociolists ne isay gehrai se study kiya hai aur iska dushparinam batay hai
acchi baat pe amal kijiye, buri pe nahi danyawad
Mohd Fahad ..kai biwian rakha dharma nahi hai ..agar isi ko dharm maante ho to zebra aur chimpanzee isay aapse badhiya nibhate hain ..insaan kyunkar hain aap ..zara sochiye!
Mohd Fahad ..kai biwian rakha dharma nahi hai ..agar isi ko dharm maante ho to zebra aur chimpanzee isay aapse badhiya nibhate hain ..insaan kyunkar hain aap ..zara sochiye!
Namste Nadiya Parveen ..Dr. Naik to Nabi ko bhavishya puran mein batate hain ..aap manti hain unki baat?
khair chhodiye ..us khuda ko jaaniye jo aapki nafz se bhi zyaada kareeb hai aapke ..kya Wo sirf sunne ki taaqat rakhta hai ..bolne ki nahi ? agar rakhta hai to usay sunne ki koshish kijiye
Namste Nadiya Parveen ..Dr. Naik to Nabi ko bhavishya puran mein batate hain ..aap manti hain unki baat?
khair chhodiye ..us khuda ko jaaniye jo aapki nafz se bhi zyaada kareeb hai aapke ..kya Wo sirf sunne ki taaqat rakhta hai ..bolne ki nahi ? agar rakhta hai to usay sunne ki koshish kijiye
aur Nomani ji oopar kisi ne ye post kiya hai ..dekhiye kis tarah polygamous muslim kuwaitis apni hawas ko rok nahi paa rahe ..ghulam laundiya khareedne ki sifarish kar rahi hain wahaan ki political activist
saahab animal behiavior ko muaf karke usay dabay nahi jaa sakta ..wo to badhta hi hai
aur Nomani ji oopar kisi ne ye post kiya hai ..dekhiye kis tarah polygamous muslim kuwaitis apni hawas ko rok nahi paa rahe ..ghulam laundiya khareedne ki sifarish kar rahi hain wahaan ki political activist
saahab animal behiavior ko muaf karke usay dabay nahi jaa sakta ..wo to badhta hi hai
check this on polygamy
We all know Taj-Mahal as a symbol of true love right?
but the other lesser known facts
1. Mumtaj was shahjahan’s 4th wife out of his seven wives
2. shahjhan killed mumtaj’s husband to marry her
3. Mumtaj died during her 14th delivery
4. shahjhan then married mumtaj’s sister
where the hell is love here and please also get concerned about women status in islam 14 children lols
Dude!
We don’t hold stupid view that Taj Mahal was made by a Muslim ruler. We solely believe that is a Vedic temple distorted by Shah Jehan. Shah Jehan and love ???? That is never possible.
http://desertrosepost.blogspot.in/2011/05/taj-mahal-epic-manipulated.html
Actually in 3 parts. Worth watching.
I am not a scholar but i would like to say that some of the Muslim brothers have missed the point in the article.
) ?? Comparing different religions make someone a scholar?
Its Mr Zakir Naik who points to Vedas… to prove his 2+2=4 kind of theories. Agniveer ji is here just reveal the right Vedas.
Mr zakir naik says he is the student of comparative religion.
A comparative religion ?? what the hell (actually there is no hell
Seems like there are too many who are expressing their anger via this Blog, especially Mr. Agniveer. One way he tells that Islam is terrific religion, the other way he himself translates gayatri mantra giving a brief of one and complete GOD. A guy asked a qwestion whether GOD was sitting idle before the creation of this world ?? My qwestion is what was Bramha or whoever they think a creator (becoz there are so many even animals also) was doing before the creation of this world? Lol– such foolish question including mine also, and there ae so many fools to apprecitae such questions also.
@GOD IS GREAT (tell us which one ) & AOGOI : You keep singing, all the mosques were temples, Lol..go on keep doing the politicians work, kill a particular community, even the media will backup you, even if you blast,, you know a muslim will be blamed and verdict-ed…great going Indian politics….keep it up…AOGOI– why don’t you ask Zakir Nayak about your questions…you cant bcoz he gave the answers along with proofs. But I suppose you cant take the truth…its OK… there are so many websites like this one where you ppl can spilt all the filth from your mouth…Ask Agni veer what does Ved describes about GOD, Ok lemme tell you “Parmeshwar ek hai, Parmeshwar nirakaar hai”. even Agniveer cannot except the truth.
@Kalki Sharma : A question to you- How many wives does you Bhagwan Krishna had? Ok let me tell you…
According to some texts, Krishna had 16,108 wives, of which eight were chief – including Rukmini, Satyabhama and Jambavati. Krishna’s other 16,100 wives were previously being held in captivity by Narakasura, untill Krishna killed him and released them all.
Krishna had 16,108 wives. Krishna married Rukmini, daughter of King Bhishmaka of Vidarbha. He also married Mitrabinda, Satyabhama, Jambavati and others, winning each by great deeds; and another time, when a demon named Bhaumasura carried off and concealed many thousand princesses, Krishna pursued and slew him, and received these also into his house. Each of his wives had ten sons and one daughter. While Krishna was ruling at Dwaraka, Duryodhana was oppressing the Pandavas at Hastinapur and sought to compass their death. Krishna and Balarama went to give them help, and it was while Krishna was the Pandavas’ guest that he married Kalindi, daughter of Sun.
@ Kalki- How many wives does Lord Shiva had??
Shiva’s first wife was Sati and his second wife was Parvati. I hope this is not polygamy, but some kind of chamatkaar…isn’nt it….
Ok- how many wives did Shivaji had ??? Let me tell you, he had 8 as follows:-
Wives:
Sai bai (Nimbalkar)
Soyarabai (Mohite)
Putalabai (Palkar)
Laxmibai (Vichare)
Kashibai (Jadhav)
Sagunabai (Shirke)
Gunvantibai (Ingale)
Sakavaarbai (Gaikwad)[3][4]
Offspring
Sambhaji, Rajaram, and six daughters Sakhubai Nimbalkar, Ranubai Jadhav, Ambikabai Mahadik, Deepabai, Rajkunvarbai Shirke, Kamlabai Palkar.
@Kalki— will you follow what your Bhagwaan Krishna did, I suppose you cannot describe his deeds as wrong, if he was right then you must stop singing against polygamy or otherwise you must put your own deities in question???
Mr. Shafaq!
Answer to your question is here.
http://agniveerfans.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/krishna/
Sorry! The answer is in Hindi. So, get some translator in case you don’t know Hindi. Coming to polygamy case, Allah said to everyone to have 4 wives maximum. Why Mohammed had 12 then? One of them was a baby Aisha. Mohammed married her and …
Krishna nowhere said to emulate himself but Mohammed wanted everyone to emulate himself. You know why Muslims are circumcised? It is medically proven to reduce the probability of AIDS. Now, it indirectly gives license to rape. It does not matter as to how many you rape – 10, 100, 1000, 10,000, infinite; rarely you will suffer from AIDS. WOW! Muslims are indeed fortunate to enjoy rape legally & medically.