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HomeMyth BustersZakir Naik on Hinduism

Polygamy in Hinduism

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Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

This entry is part 7 of 8 in the series Myths on Hinduism

Myths on Hinduism

Immediately after I published my analysis of Dr Zakir Naik’s views on Hinduism, I started receiving hate mails. However I also received a soft-copy of another book of his “Answers to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions about Islam”. This is another masterpiece of his sophism. I have already glimpsed through videos of his lectures where he recites this book line by line. Many rebuttals of this book are already available.

However what perturbed me, was another set of misconceptions he attempts to breed regarding Hinduism through his self-proclaimed research. I can understand why Dr Zakir Naik has to spend so much space discussing Hinduism in an article on Muslims, and so much space discussing Islam in an article on Hinduism (See in FAQ on Hinduism)! This apparent confusion emerges from the fact that in current political, social and cultural situation, 80 crore Hindus form the most ideal conversion ground for Islamic Research Foundation. Peace TV managed by Dr Zakir Naik even announced this a few months ago that they would make Hindustan a Darul-Islam in next 5 years.

Further, many Muslims believe in a prophecy that once India is conquered, only then would Jesus Christ come again and will bring end of the world. After that, Judgment Day would happen and they will go to Paradise to have their virgins and luxuries forever! The lure is too tempting for the uncultivated mind to drop all sense of reasoning!

In this article, I shall cover the first question he addresses – POLYGAMY.

Dr Zakir Naik has tried to prove that Hinduism is inherently a polygamous religion. He states on Page 4 of the book:
“The Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives.”

He continues giving some census data from sources best known to him alone that polygamy is more popular among Hindus than Muslims.

I shall not dwell into what Polygamy means in Islam of Zakir Naik – whether marrying 4 wives in total in entire life, or keeping the total number of existing wives at 4 by divorcing old ones as one marries new ones, or having special provision of 9/11/16/++ for those having revelations, or permitting marriage with babies, or whether keeping unlimited slaves and not counting them as legal wives and thus skewing census data. These issues have been dealt with by a large number of people including women-rights organizations, Muslim reformers and ex-Muslims worldwide. Internet lists a large number of such reference sources that you can google upon.


The focus of this article would be explode the myth that “according to Hindu scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes.”

POLYGAMY IN VEDAS
We start with the Vedas because Vedas are considered the foremost authority in matters of Dharma.
1. There is no single mantra in the entire 4 Vedas that even give a hint of supporting more than one wife or more than one husband.

2. Three mantras of Rig Veda, 1.124.7, 4.3.2 and 10.71.4 contain “Jaayeva Patya Ushatee Suvaasaah”. This means that knowledge comes to the scholar in same manner as a dedicated joyous wife comes only to her husband. “Jaaya” means wife and “Pati” means husband. Both appearing in singular implies that only one husband-one wife relation is considered ideal.

3. Rigveda 1.3.3 states that God is like a dedicated wife with high character and purity. This also implies that monogamy alone is considered ideal.

4. Rigveda 10.149.4 compares love between God and devotee like that between dedicated wife and husband. Both “Jaaya” meaning wife and “Patim” meaning husband are used in singular number implying strict monogamy.

5. Rigveda 10.85.20 appeals a bride to expand happiness for her husband. Again both husband and wife are referred in singular.

6. Rigveda 10.85.23 appeals to wife and husband to always have self-control. Its obvious from reference to self-control and singular numbers for both wife and husband that monogamy alone is recommended.

7. All mantras relating to marriage are addressed in dual number to a couple of husband-wife implying one wife for husband and one husband for wife. Some examples are Rig Veda 10.85.24, 10.85.42, 10.85.47 and almost entire 14th Chapter of Atharva Veda which deals with subject of marriage. Most mantras pray for faithful relation for entire life-time.
Please note that Sanskrit has a dual number apart from singular and plural, specifically to remove this confusion that people may have.

8. In Atharva Veda 7.35.4 both husband and wife state that, “You establish me in your heart so that our minds become one and same.”

9. In Atharva Veda 7.38.4, wife says that “You should only be mine. You should not even discuss about other women.” What can be a more clear prohibition of polygamy than this!

10. Atharva Ved 3.30.2 and 14.2.64 also appeal husband and wife to be devoted and faithful to each other.

11. Perhaps Veda provider Ishwar knew that despite all this, some self-proclaimed experts may still find reasons to justify polygamy. Thus certain mantras in Vedas describe demerits of Polygamy.

– Rig Veda 10.105.8 compares existence of multiple wives with multiple worldly miseries.

– Rig Veda 10.101.11 states that a man with two wives is pressed from both sides and weeps like a horse that neighs when pressed from both sides by spokes while driving a chariot.

– Rig Veda 10.101.11 state that two wives make life aimless.

– Atharva Veda 3.18.2 prays that may a woman never face threat of another co-wife.

12. The only mantra that skeptics try to give in favor of polygamy in Vedas is Rig Veda 8.19.36 that contains “Vadhoonaam” and “Satpati” words. However, “Vadhoo” does not mean bride here and instead means powers that provide happiness. “Satpati” means protector of good, just as “Bhoopati” means protector of earth. This is also evident from the Devata or Key subject of the Sukta in which this mantra comes – prayers for charity and donation (Daanastuti). The mantra means that Ishwar gives variety of powers to those who protect truth and good.

POLYGAMY IN RAMAYAN

While it is admitted that Dashrath practiced polygamy, but the essence of entire Ramayan is that polygamy leads to troubles. The polygamy of Dashrath is considered to be the cause of trouble and grief that everyone faced. Ram is considered “Maryada Purushottam” or the “Ideal Man” because he re-established the Vedic norm of monogamy. Same was followed by all his brothers.

POLYGAMY IN MAHABHARAT

By the time of Mahabharat, the moral values of society had declined a lot. Thus none of the characters, apart from Krishna, is considered exemplary in Mahabharat. And that is exactly the reason why Krishna has been targeted the most for character assassination by a variety of forces.

Mahabharat is an extremely adulterated text and is not taken as authentic in totality. The original text was much smaller and over a period of time it expanded to include a lot of things. Unlike Vedas, there was no mechanism to stop adulterations from it. However a close analysis easily exposes that certain popular stories in Mahabharat are pure myths. I give a list here:

a. Krishna was wedded to none except Rukmini. The myth of 16000 wives came from a story where he liberated 16000 captive girls from Narkasur. The story itself is questionable. Further the story never states that Krishna married 16000 girls. It says he protected them, which is true if story is correct. had Krishna married 16000 of them, it would have taken him more than 10 years even at rate of 4 marriages a day as per the prevailing rituals!

b. Krishna was so strictly disciplined that he observed complete Brahmacharya for 12 years before planning to be a father. That is why Krishna is such a role model for entire society. The narrator of Geeta had no time for anything except nation-building in those testing periods.

c. Krishna never had any love-games with any Gopi. These are figments of imaginations which got popular during dark age of foreign rule when rulers of small states indulged in wasteful enjoyments after accepting supremacy of foreign rulers. Further the whole story of Radha is a figment of imagination. It exists only in Brahma Vaivart Puran which is another unscrupulous book like Bhavishya Puran that insults legends like Krishna and Ram. The concept of Radha grew popular only in very recent times during dark age of India when rulers of princely states were busy only in considering themselves Krishna incarnate and indulging into lustful activities by demeaning just a legendary Brahmachari character! Mahabharat does not contain these.
Please read this excellent article by Dr Satya Pal Singh, Police Commissioner of Police, Pune: Lord Krishna – Lord Krishna – an enlightening personality


POLYGAMY IN GENERAL
While polygamy was practiced by certain rulers at various points in time, it was restricted only to ruling class and never became a mainstream in larger population. That is why Hindus had no discomfort or objection to formal introduction of monogamy as a law after independence.

All the great legends of Hinduism, whom many consider to be near God, were purely monogamous or brahmachari- Vishnu, Shankar, Ram, Lakshman, Bharat, Shatrughna, Hanuman and Krishna.

Thus it is a gross myth that Hinduism accepts Polygamy.

On contrary, Vedas are unambiguous over recommendation of monogamy alone. The same has been the trend for general population and our role models.

If there is any philosophy that condemns polygamy and specifically demands monogamy, it is the Hindu Dharma based on noble precepts of Vedas.

Addendum:
On an additional note, I would like to address a few sophism that Dr Zakir Naik indulges into to justify polygamy:

1. Naik – Average life span of women is more than that of men.
By this logic, polyandry (one wife- multiple husband) should be allowed. Because, on average, one wife would require more than 1 husband to cover her entire life!

2. Naik – World female population is more than world male population.
This contradicts previous point. If one looks at 2008 data of World Population as published by UN Statistics Division, there are 2% more males than females in the world! The same is also true for marriageable age discarding children and elders. Does he recommend Polyandry now?

3. Before we get further, let us also look at the countries with worst gender ratio. You can view the list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio
The table has facility to sort by fields. What we observe is that the top 9 countries with more men than women are all Muslim countries. Stricter the Islamic Law, more adverse the gender ratio. There are 2.74 times more men in UAE and 2.46 times in Qatar. India and Pakistan are also is not far off with their significant Muslim population!

4. Naik – Muslim women in due faith could bear a small personal loss to prevent a greater loss of letting other Muslim sisters becoming ‘public properties’.
We just saw the data above. Does Dr Naik recommend the inverse now?

5. In civilized societies like Vedic Dharma, each women apart from one’s wife is viewed as mother, by default. The basic rule is “Matrivat Paradaareshu – All except wife are like my mother”. That is why the question of someone becoming public property does not arise. In wars, legends like Shivaji would bow to imprisoned women and call them mother! And in a society that respects women, the question of adverse gender ratio does not arise as is happening in conservative Muslim countries.

6. What is important is use of word “property” for women. Dr Naik recommends that polygamy enables women to be private property rather than “public property” at small personal loss. This small loss is a great insult to entire womanhood. If sharing of husbands is haram, why is sharing of wife merely a small personal loss? Vedas do not discriminate at all between men and women and provide them equal rights and privileges in all matters including marriage.

Next he lists 4 reasons why polygamy is permitted but polyandry is not permitted:
a. This will help identify father of the child!
(But now we have DNA testing available!)
b. Man by nature is more polygamous!
(What is the proof for this except that polyandry is stoned to death? Is this not a ploy to insult entire womanhood by justifying polygamy?)
c. It is biologically difficult for women to be polyandrous and rear children!
(This is again another shameless reason to justify keeping multiple wives and concubines, in name of religion and social service!)
d. High chance of acquiring sexual disease!
(On contrary, medical science proves that it is women who are more susceptible to contract such diseases from polygamous men than vice versa. Being a medical student sometime, Dr Naik should have verified at least this much before publication. Or perhaps he never got a chance to practice or get back to medical books!)

Wise can decide themselves the mentality of this admirer of Osama bin Laden.

In summary, Polygamy is a malpractice, quite aptly condemned by the Vedas. Hinduism guided by Vedas and its role models has always emphasized on monogamy and self-control as the only way for humans.

Efforts to justify polygamy, through whatever reasons, is an insult to entire womanhood.

May such deviant minds introspect and come into the shade of Vedas. May they inculcate feeling of respect for entire Matru-Shakti.

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/4982/polygamy-hinduism-hi/

 

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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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  1. @vajra, i have been banned so many times that i have to change my name, so never comment about it. why u just pointing some link and not giving the answer pointwise? if agniveer is deleting my comment modifying it and banning me then what should i do? you can see whatever truthsicker or KB write he never bann them when their comments also not on the topic. also when we show you your role model life like rama the noblest man ever born or krishna who is lord, then u simply say that it is bogus, i dont believe it, it is adulterated. how could u believe rest of the things from that bogus, out dated, adulterated, increasing day by day scriptures? we never think that quran can be adulterated,itis protected and a man can have 4 wives is allowed in quran and i believe in it firmly. regardingo hazrat muhammad’s wives, all of them are respected one and hazrat muhammad married because of Allah’s order which is in quran. i and no any muslim will ever condemn it. you cant see any other thing. what is the age when prophet married second one and except hazrat ayesha every wife was either widow or divorce and every marriage has special context.

    • @indian or sam or milk veg etc etc: The purpose of banning you is that you do not express your views on Agniveer site. By creating fake profiles again and again, you are wasting your own valuable time that better be used to worship the Supreme, and also creating nuisance here. While we allow free discussions and criticism, your approach is too coarse and unfit for the site. We thus request you to share your views on other debating and discussions platforms like facebook/ orkut etc or create a new blog for yourself. Your way of communication spews venom of hatred and derides majority of Muslims whom you claim to represent. Several Muslim friends have mailed us that we ban you for spreading confusion regarding Islam and distracting the discussions to low levels which insult the Muslims as a whole. Eventually all your comments would be deleted. You are free to question or condemn us on some other domain. But we request you to adhere to the very basic etiquettes of internet communications and stop making further comments on this site. This very mindset of intruding and invading speaks volumes of the true ideology one represents. Thanks for your cooperation.

      Admin

  2. @indian aka Satvan Aasmaan aka MIVCIT

    ———i have been banned so many times———

    Getting the taste of banning! What about Non Muslims of the world who have been banned (in terms of preaching and open practicing their religion) in Muslim countries like Saudi Arab for last 1400 years?

    ———a man can have 4 wives is allowed in quran and i believe in it firmly. ——

    You are free to believe firmly in anything right from flying donkeys to talking ants/stones and sex slavery. Problem comes when you start getting the taste of your own medicine. If someone keeps a Momins’ mother and sisters as sex slaves after winning them in war, it should not be the big deal for him then. Are you ready to be one? Why not?

    • @ Assalamualaikum, sajiD Bhai
      Bhai Jan you are doing great service to Islam by defeating Kaffirs intellectually. Good, carry on like this, I also follow you as & when I get time. I think we (all momins) should be united & give harsh rebuttal to Agniveer & Co. I appealed to all my momins brothers dont loos heart; we will succeed finally. Our religion is only true religion. Allah is just testing us how we fight/ response to Kaffirs. I appealed to all momins brothers to come here & defeat Agnveer & co. by their logics. Agniveer & co. can not stand before us much time. Agniveer is just like moon light of few days like its prophet Dayanand.

      • @krishna
        I do not want indulge myself to answer your irrelevant questions. What have you to do with Questions like What was Allah doing before universe creation? How such nonsense questions relevant to you? Why do not you follow the Allah’s commands as noted down in Holy Quran?
        अल्लाह नाम की लूट है लूट सके तो लूट
        अंत समय पछतायेगा जब प्राण जायेंगे छूट
        Allah nam ki loot hai loot sake to loot
        Ant samay pachhtayega jab pran jayege chhoot.

      • अल्लाह नाम की लूट नहीं ,
        कहो अल्लाह के नाम पे लूट ,
        कुरान का सीधा आदेश है …
        गैर मुस्लिम जहां मिले उसे लूट सके तो लूट ||

      • @Juber
        लगता है कुरान की आएते कम pad गई इसलिए अब तुलसीदास आदि संतो के दोहे चुरा रहे हो .
        राम नाम की लूट है लूट सके तो लूट
        अंत समय पछतायेगा जब प्राण जायेंगे छूट

  3. @ satyaaasman, Japanese who are meat eaters said to have long life, this is not true. Japanese island of Okinawa which is one of the states which has maximum number of centenarians, approximately 1000. Studies show they are vegans and their diet consist of anti-oxidants like Fruits, vegetables, tofu and Soya.

    Tortoise is the creature which is said to have the most lifespan on earth and they are mostly herbivorous and another thing is there are some carnivorous tortoise but their lifespan is not equal to their herbivorous counterpart.

    IF ALLAH HAS MADE HUMAN BEINGS AS MEAT EATER, THEN WHY DID HE GIVE HUMAN BEINGS DIGESTION AS THAT OF HERBIVOROUS BECAUSE THE STOMACH ACIDITY OF HUMAN BEINGS MATCHES THAT OF HERBIVOROUS IT IS NEITHER LIKE OF OMNIVOROUS OR CARNIVOROUS.

  4. EVE IS NOT FIRST WOMAN OR WIFE OF ADAM CREATED BY ABRAHMIC GOD. CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS THINK EVE IS FIRST WOMAN CREATED BY GOD AND EVE IS FIRST WIFE OF ADAM. THIS IS A BIG MISCONCEPTION OF BOTH MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS. KORAN AND BIBLE HAS INCOMPLETE STORY OF ADAM. THE COMPLETE STORY IS GIVEN IN JEWISH SCRIPTURE TALMUD, IT SAYS THAT “LILITH” IS THE FIRST WOMAN AND FIRST WIFE CREATED BY ABRAHMIC GOD THERE IS 1 OR 2 VERSE IN BIBLE THAT DESCRIBES LILITH.

    COMPLETE STORY GIVEN IN JEWISH TALMUD IS AS FOLLOWS:

    ABRAHMIC GOD CREATED FIRST MAN AND FIRST WOMAN ADAM AND LILITH FROM MUD BUT LATER ON LILITH REFUSED TO BE UNDER ADAM AND REBELLED AGAINST ADAM AND ABRAHMIC GOD DUE TO THIS ABRAHMIC GOD CAST HER OUT OF HIS LEAGUE AND THEN TOOK A PIECE OF BONE FROM ADAM’S RIB AND CREATED EVE SO THAT THE NEW WOMAN CREATED CANNOT REBEL AGAINST ADAM OR ABRAHMIC GOD (THIS IS THE COMPLETE STORY).

    FEMINIST MOVEMENT OF WORLD ESPECIALLY THAT OF JEWISH WOMAN CONSIDER LILITH AS THEIR ROLE MODEL.

  5. @Vinay

    ——–Dayanand has said that if mother is wrong then it is not necessary to obey her.——-

    No. Abuse your mother in public and call her Pakhandi like you are doing with Nanak. If you dont want to do that with mom then please keep your mouth shut in case of Nanak also.

    • Dear Vajra
      If my mother is wrong then I should say my mother is wrong.If Nanak is wrong then I should say Nanak is wrong.If my mother is wrong then I should not say that my mother is right.If Nanak is wrong then I should not say that Nanak is right.Truth should be said as truth and the untruth should be called and pronounced as :untruth:
      If I am wrong then I should say I am wrong.If I am wrong then I should not say that I am right.

      • Dear Vinay

        ———If my mother is wrong then I should not say that my mother is right.——–

        You have another option to keep quite because you can always do better things than calling your mother wrong!

        I advise you to think again on your priority list. Abusing Nanak or your mother is of no use. There are more evils in the society that need our focus rather than Nanak’s poor knowledge of Sanskrit or superstition of his disciples. Start from yourself. You should improve your analytic skills, knowledge of Maths and physical science (Padaarth Vidya) and engineering etc that Rishi Dayanand emphasized the most in order to understand Vedas. Read 3rd chapter of Satyarth Prakash.

        Once you become master in Apara Vidya (Maths, science, engineering etc) then only the doors of Para Vidya will open for you. Then you can think of being judgmental about Nanak or Dayanand or your mother.

        Read the books of H.C. Verma, Ajoy Ghatak, Resnick, Arthur Beiser etc to understand basics of Physics. Do practice the unsolved problems of Verma and I.E. Irodov. And remember, dont see the answers before solving the problems.

      • There are religions more bad than Sikh religion.But is does not mean that Sikh religion is not refutable.If required we should refute it.I am not respecting any other religion by refuting Sikhs.And I am not making Joke of Nanak.I am not from those persons who have found one’s mistake and will tell to whole of the world.If required I will tell otherwise not.
        For example,you did not write “my” bu t you wrote “mi” then should I keep on lecturing on this mistake.If you ould be having pride,you will be fooling people,showing yourself great,worshipping you then I will tell how small mistake you have done and you are considering yourself as God.But befre that occasion it is useless.
        Most of books you have told me have been already read very deeply.But a few books remaining I would read.
        Actually,Iwere an atheist before 1 year.I did not use to believe in idol worshipping,tilak dharan etc. and I did not believe in God.But fortunately I took science as my subject with mathematics.IITians taught me it very deeply.I wee amazed at their teaching.So they had more strangthened my view of non-existence of the God.I did not use to perfor mhavan sandhya even if my father used to perform.
        But again fortunately I was given Satyartha Prakash from my father.As my habit,I started reading it with logics.After reading it I found the new definition of God completely different.So I had to believe in it.There I saw absolutely logical things in Satyarth Praksh.
        Now,I laugh on those atheists.What kind of non-sense is of them.Atheisms is so senseless.I am now firm theist believing in one God(not just beleving but proving the existence of the God) doing Sandhya,Havan,Readng Vedas etc.
        I read few mantras of Vedas applied physics chemistry there and I found them to be true.
        I read other books on religions.Read just one paragraph and threw to dustbin.
        SP is the most enlightening book.

  7. PANCHALI- a model woman in hindu scriptures.
    Five brothers were married to the same women, Panchali. This is known as polyandry.
    Even in the most perverted forma of vice in the West, polyandry is never heard of Supposing achild was birth to this lady, who would become its legitimate father? Will any Hindu live with his brother’s wife OR will any Hindu woman have sex with her in laws as Panchali did?

    Who is the real father of Panchali’s children?

    Dr. Charles says you will find many instances of incest in Hinduism if you go through

    its scriptures.

  8. The Guys who says against krishna….

    Please refine your knowledge with truth. Shri Krishna married only one woman, Rukmani. An Arya man (true Follower of Vedas), can not marry more then one woman (Although, some exceptions of it are in Vedas but these are fully logical. For detailed information, please explore Vedas).

    To know the truth about Shri Krishna, Please follow the link:

    http://www.satyavidya.org/component/content/article/50-awakening-of-nation/159-lord-krishna-an-enlightening-personality

    Shri Krishna is considered as Avatar. Avatar, as a material, is a human body used by God to publish some of his unlimited powers to re-establish truthful knowledge among the human beings. Avatar is supposed to teach humans the ideal way of leaving and hence, is worth of much respect. Avatar is a physical expression of Almighty, One, and unseen God.
    And even after this explanation, if someone is considering Avatar as a born of God Himself in a body like an ordinary man, then one needs deep meditation before understanding almighty Gods’ power . Don’t say to me that the greatest creator God is not able to create an Avatar body to reveal his powers and he can only insert a soul in a human body. (If you don’t know the difference between God and souls, please read Gita in the light of Vedas.)

    One Obvious Question: If Vedas are considered as the source of true knowledge why don’t they tell about Avatars (Like Shri ram and Shri Krishna) directly?
    Answer:
    1. Vedas are very first books which are reveled for human being before any Avatar.
    2. These books are supposed to provide true knowledge about Almighty God and the way to get His all blessings only.
    3. Future can be predicted but can not be confirmed as it depends on your Karmas. If God had written the information about Avtars in Vedas, it would be against His philosophy about future.

    All information about Shri Krishna (or any Other Avatar) which are against Vedas must be rejected forcefully.

    Vedas are the basics of our religious and social values…

  9. —-continued from previous part of post.
    Every statement from our Religious books must be justified from Vedas values. If it is contradictory to Vedas then it must be rejected. We all know, Indian religious books had been modified at many places by many anti-Hindus and many idiot illiterate pundits even. And, that false knowledge had been circulated since middle age (or may be before of that, if someone has some research on this, please share with me. Thanks in advance!!!). I don’t oppose any book completely, but I reject every statement in any book which is against Vedas. Even we know, in Vedas also, a few statements had added. Many thanks to Scholar Dayanand Saraswati, who found them and rejected on the basis of Sanskrit grammar and logical grounds (Please read his literatures for those logics) .At least, it is a common sense if some sentence is opposite to other sentences which already have been proven logically then that sentence must be wrong. (FYI. I am not his blind follower. Again, Vedas don’t allow following any one blindly!!!).

    As per Mahabharata, as we know, there is nothing about Radha. And if Radha had been at that time and she had had one sided love with Shri Krishna and had accepted Him as Her Husband by heart (the same way as Savitri accepted Satyavan as her Husband just after having conversations with him) what’s wrong if she remained unmarried whole life with this strong believe that she can’t accept any other man as she already considered Herself for Shri Krishna. This only gives us the proof of Her pure feelings and thus must be highly respectable among all human kinds. Avatars are such ideal personally, anyone with pure heart will affectionate with them, so someone, how lived with them… how could be they be an exception!!!

  10. Dear friends,
    I am hindu, because my parents were hindu, and i love my religion,
    my religion doesnt tell us,or to force someone to change there believes, and say anything bad about thier culture, inspite of arguing or blaming each others culture and religion, why cant we think to keep both religions together, if any one says any thing wrong about hinduism or islam , i think we dont have rite to say, worship the god in which form you want to do, allah wished to have hinduism in the world thats why its exists, and bhagwan wants islam in this world,
    bhai pyar se and bhai chare ke sath raho………

  11. Dear friends
    i am muslim, but my parents never got time to tech me about islam, so i have very less knowledge about it, and i feel my self lucky about it, you know mere muslim bhaiyo please bura mat maniyega, bachpan se hum logo ka mind wash kiya jata hai, allah ko le kar koi bhi khuda ya khuda ka banda aurto ka respect hi karega,mein ek english medium school mein padha hun, and i found compare to any muslim girl hindu girls enjoyed more freedom, yeh parda system and all keeping our ladies backward, and just a reson for keeping this system is ki kisi ladke ki buri nazar ladki pe na pade, common bhaiyon, ladkiyan bhi toh ladko ko buri nazar se dekh sakti hai, toh ladko ko bhi burqa pehana chahiye
    hindu dodh pilane wali gaye ko bhi mata bolte hai, this king of respect i dont think we will ever happen to see in other religion,
    aap jara sochiye, aaj jitane bhi terrorist duniya mein hai woh sare islam ke naam pe innocents ko mad rahe hai, khudA ishka bura kyun nahin maan raha
    agar khuda kisi begunah ko marne ka aadesh deta hai toh mein ushe khuda manane se inkar karta hun, jindagi jiyo aur jine do ka naam hai
    mujhe bhi nahin pata ki meri soch other musalmano ki tarah kyun nahin hai, may be becoz mein bachpan se hinduo ke sath raha hun, toh may be mein unki tarah ban gaya hun,
    but mein chijo ko logic ke according dekhata hun na ki kisi bhi chij ke according
    aaj duniya mein terroristo ne itane be guanho ko islam ke naam pe maar dala hai ki, i hope ki duniya mein kabhi islam aata hi nahin,
    and please frnd see the fact and take the examples of any country jaha musalmanaurto ka rutba men ke equal hai, i dont think u will find any country, abhi tak toh kayi muslim countries mein muslin mahilao ko vote dena ka bhi haq nahin hai,
    shirf hindustan and other western countries mein muslim aurto ko equally treat kiya jata hai, thanks to hindus, we learned somthing from them

  12. mera best friend ek hindu hai, woh mera frnd hai y shld i call him kafir and all, dusro ko bhi islamic banao, mein kyun kisi ke believe ko chot pahuchaun , woh log toh mujhe aa kar nahin bolte ki mein mein hinduo ki tarah unke believe pe believe karun, mujhe apne upar sharmindagi feel hota hai, but mein kisi pe ungli uthane se pehale khud pe ungli uthana chata hun, mere musalman bhaiyo, please allah ke naam pe kuch mat karo agar karna hai toh huminity ke naam pe kuch bhi karo, hamein lagta hai hum sahi hai unhe lagta hai woh sahi hai, sahi koi bhi ho please islam ka majak mat banao,
    allah ko kahi rakhana hai toh dil mein rakho, aalah ke liye 5 bar namaz padhane ki jarrorat nahin hai, bas ek bar hi ushe din mein sache dil se yaad kar lo kafi hai

    and mere hindu bhaiayo aapse bhi ek request hai please islam ke bare mein koi rumour mat pehlayiye

  13. Hello,i want to answer the first question which mr krishna posted here. you said something about “Islam boosT up the status of women By saying –Heaven is Beyond the feet of a mother”. theres something you should know is that there are many sayings which you read which are not true about islam. this one i dont know where you got that from is one of fake sayings. you’ll be able to differentiate between authentic and fake only if you study about islam. as for the verse which you came with is a REAL PROOF from the quran. u rightly said about men benefitting with virgins. if u use some of your brain, u’ll understand that men prefer sex over everything,its men nature,thats why my Lord has promised to reward men with virgins,it encourages men to do good deeds when we come to know of all those beautiful rewards. as for the women, you don’t need to worry about their jealousy or not benefitting with virgins because we will be preoccupied with other most important things. women shall be rewarded with all kinds of jewelleries such as pearls and diamonds as women are very fond of these stuffs. and theres nothing about it which u can call shame because in islam,men are allowed to marry 4 women if they can treat them equally in terms of their necessities,.i would be glad to hear from any of you concerning any topics which bother you. i will reply if i have all the answers.

  14. one of you also said that we worship the kaaba etc. hey that means you talk whatever comes in you mind or what? this shows that you dont have a good knowledge about islam ! ! ! before you put post here, just try to search why we exactly goes around the kaaba,u should know your facts before you taunt..i’ll give you the answer no worries..Circumambulating the Kaaba represents the idea of oneness. Its meaning regarding the social life is not to leave unity and to try to maintain this unity. well theres lots more behind circulating the kaaba, but its far from worhipping other things than my Lord. My lord orders unity and theres nowhere in the Quran where He contradicts Himself.

  15. @Shafinaz:
    mere bhai mujhe ek baat batao, sare mard duniya mein sex ko prefer nahin karte,
    they may also like children, and if some girls prefer sex before children , then???????/
    bhai bura mat manana mein bas apna knwledge badhana chahata hun,
    kya tumhe nahin lagta ki agar ladko ko virgin mil rahe hai toh ladkiyon ko bhi virgin hi milana chahiye, we are here talking about equality , please let me know even in your home, is your sisters and brothers are enjoying same freedom?
    bhai tum yeh ishliye bol rahe ho kyo ki tumhe bachpan se yahi sikhaya gaya hai,
    but i need answer on the basis of logic………

  16. Yes Ankur, i went through the verses and i do not see any contradictions…first of all you didn’t tell me where you are having problems in understanding such a simple verse. anyways i’ll tell you what it talks about. Verse 2:136 – Say (oh muslims), “we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim, Ismail, Ishaque, Yaqub and to Al-Asbuat and that which has been given to Musa and Isa, and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and to Him we have submitted.”

    Allah directed His believing servants to believe in what He sent down to them through His Messenger Muhammad and in what was revealed to the previous Prophets in general.
    Some Prophets Allah mentioned by name, while He did not mention the names of many others.
    Allah directed the believers to refrain from differentiating between the Prophets and to believe in them all. The pillar of Islam is Imaan (oneness of God- Allah) and the articles of Imaan is that we believe in Allah, His Angels, His books, His Prophets, The day of Judgement and the premeasurement.

    i guess you got the answer to your first question.

    And as for the verse 5:51 again you didn’t tell me which part you are having problems in understanding..but will explain it to you.

    O you who believe! Do not take friends from the Jews and the Christians, as they are but friends of each other.

    Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them.

    Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this,

    And if any among you befriends them, then surely he is one of them.

    bn Abi Hatim recorded that;

    Umar ordered Abu Musa Al-Ashari to send him on one sheet of balance the count of what he took in and what he spent. Abu Musa then had a Christian scribe, and he was able to comply with Omar’s demand.

    Umar liked what he saw and exclaimed, “This scribe is proficient. Would you read in the Masjid a letter that came to us from Ash-Sham?”

    Abu Musa said, `He cannot.”

    Umar said, “Is he not pure?”

    Abu Musa said, “No, but he is Christian.”

    Abu Musa said, “So `Umar admonished me and poked my thigh (with his finger), saying, `Drive him out (from Al-Madinah).’

    He then recited O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends…”

    I’ll tell you one more time that i didnt quite understand your question, but i explained the verses. i am sorry if my explanation were irrelevant to your question.

    • @Shafinaz
      very well,
      so the first verse(2:136) says that there is no distinction exists for a beleiving muslim in any of the revelations for jews & christians(& others) and Islam
      (5:51) forbids the same beleiving muslim not to take jews and christians(who ufortunately believe in the revelations to which a beleiving muslims must make not distinction as per 2:136) as friend as they are enemies of Islam(because they are christians & Jews as they belive in the earlier revelations of Allah) and are cursed?

      You are unable to see any contradictions..??

  17. @ Rehan: i do not understand much hindi but i try answer it anyway. in an example i’ll explain it to you. Suppose you have two small babies, one a baby girl and the other a baby boy. when you dress them, do you dress them the same way? do you buy them the same gifts or to you differentiate with their gender? i dont think you’ll buy dolls for your baby boy. in the same way Allah knows our taste. And in islam a men can marry up to 4 women,likewise in jannah these virgins. And when we women never saw a problem in that, then why are you so bothered about equality??? i guess you are just finding excuses to ignore the logic dude..

    • What do you mean by “we women”? Are you referring to muslim women only or women in general? The analogy that you present is not at all appropriate as it talks of quality and not quantity. Will you buy for the male child 4 times the dresses you will buy for the girl child? Will you feed the male child 4 times more than the girl child?

      So, you are not bothered about equality, and you concede that Allah views males as being superior to females. Fine. Let the women folk come out and answer you.

      Also, why is it that you have to even debate with us because according to Islam, women are half as intelligent as men. So, you will in any case be defeated theoretically.

    • @Shafinaz: sorry dude, i didn’t knw that u dont knw hindi nyway,
      plz dont feel bad, here we are talking about freedom and equality, it’s cool if boy doesn’t like doll it’s there choice, so if u want to correct ur boy, will you offer him some virgin as rewards, be on logic, i respect ur dedication towards islam, but wat is wrong in it we can not ignore that, and please we are talking about virgins, either a man or female, both enjoys sex in the same way, then why there is no virgins for girls to enjoy,
      in non of the islamic countries women is enjoying same freedom as man, and its true..
      they are treated as slave,
      my friend our religion keepng them back, anyway thanks for discussion…..

  18. @Shafinaz:
    you are male or female
    if you are male then its good no objection but if you are female, then please open your eyes and fight for equality its ur rite,

  19. @ SDC
    “we women” i meant muslim women as i said islam allows a man to marry up to 4 women. i meant to say if we can allow our husband to marry other women while we still share a matrimonial relationship with him, so the question of jealousy or equality doesnt rise at all when Allah rewards them with virgins.
    i feel that you are deviating the subject. Here i am talking about the rewards that Allah reserved for us and you are talking about equality?? i’ll ask you something, when you hear girls talk about women accessories, lipstick, eyeshadows, eyeliners,do you feel exited to know more about these products?

    and if you want to talk about equality, you just say it…

    • Are you the mouthpiece of the all muslim women in the world? You referred to an analogy, and I pointed out to the logical fallacy inherent in it. I am sure you will make a very docile wife but I don’t care two hoots how many women you share your husband with. It’s your call after all.

      No, darling, I am still on track: I am trying to prove that Allah views males as superiors to females. Talking about rewards, we know what males will get; would like to know from you as to what is in store for docile women like you in jannah.

      Well, to be frank, they do not mean a thing to me; but, why bring this up. What are you trying to prove/convey?

      Should we not talk of equality then?

  20. @ Rehan : talking about equality reminds me of something, its true like you said both enjoy sex the same way…but then tell me, can a man gets pregnant? or is it only women can give birth? then how do you see this??? equality??? or do you not agree with the fact that men cannot conceive? you are comparing other cultures to islam??? loll my dear islam is a religion, the mode of life,and it doesnt change with the modern times boy…you’ve got the wrong conception about islam.

    • When we talk of equality, we talk of equality in opportunities and rights. Of course, there are
      physiological differences between men and women, and they will have to play different roles in societal development. By simply using this logic, you cannot go on to limit the scope and role of women rights and status in society. Do you intend to punish the womenfolk for their ability to give birth? This is a retrograde step and will have serious repercussions. I wonder if you are genuinely a woman or an impostor.

    • @Shafinaz:
      Dear your question is
      can a man gets pregnant? or is it only women can give birth? then how do you see this??? equality???
      so do you meant that if a girl is giving birth to a chidl she is inferior than man?????, really dude becoz of you guys islam is loosing his shine, if girl is giving birth then her value should be more than boy, but no islam has made them inferior
      your another question is
      you are comparing other cultures to islam???
      really dude believe me i am not comparing any thing from other culture, but i am just saying what really islam prove here,,

      and again i am telling you if you are a girl fight for equality……………………

  21. @ SDC : will you show me where i said that women is inferior to men?
    and you said “according to Islam, women are half as intelligent as men. So, you will in any case be defeated theoretically.” show me proof in the Quran where it shows women are half intelligent than men? well i’ve never come across to that one loll,will you show me where you got that?

    • That was an inference that I drew from your comments.

      Check them out:

      Qur’an (2:282) – (Court testimony) “And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.”

      Qur’an (2:228) – “and the men are a degree above them [women].”

      Also, check out the following ahadiths: Bukhari (6:301) – Bukhari (2:28) Bukhari (6:301). Probably, you are not conversant with the teachings of your own prophet. LOL.

  22. @ Ankur…you’re right, i still see no contradictions, the first one talks about believing in the revealed books sent down to the jews and the cristians in which all muslims should bring faith that these books were indeed revealed but later was falsified… it didint talk about the people damn it. it clearly says “there is no distinction exists for a believing muslim in any of the REVELATIONS for jews & christians.”
    i explained it to you why we do not believe in the scriptures or you didnt care read it? i’ll again say it.. WE BELIEVE IN WHAT ALLAH HAS SENT DOWN(BOOKS AND PROPHETS) TO THESE NATIONS BUT WE DO NOT TAKE THESE BOOKS AS REFERENCES BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN FALSIFIED, WE TAKE ONLY THE QURAN AND THE SUNNAH TO SEARCH FOR GUIDANCE ! ! !. We do not befriend the jews and the christians because they ignored the book sent down to them and on the top of that they falsified it. i bet its enough for a clear explanation, i dont know how to put it in more simpler words.

    • @shafinaz
      you said “WE BELIEVE IN WHAT ALLAH HAS SENT DOWN(BOOKS AND PROPHETS) TO THESE NATIONS(you forgot to say the people are named) BUT WE DO NOT TAKE THESE BOOKS AS REFERENCES BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN FALSIFIED”

      first you Believe in the books and prophets and then you say they have been falsified, are you a sane person ; i serously have started to doubt it..now, did you not know jews and christians existed before the quran was written by Uthman, how could they believe in something that did not exist and why would they believe all the earlier revelations (what they had been believing and following for generations just got falsified) because one man said so..? when he himself says and accepts that they are from Allah? on top of that for this logical choice they get to be on the wrong side of Muslims who themselves believe in what was revealed to them (Jews and Christians)

      BTW how have they been falsified? My question is not what you as an individual believe in i am questioning the entire illogical theology of Islam, so please give your arguments for ISLAM and not what you believe in (e.g. there are people who believe that Muhammad split the moon with his finger, as illogical it may sound , hope you are not one of them,just wondering even if he did that why did he not turn the arid desert into a Greenland at least it would have been a great blessing and jannah would not have remained a dream,just wondering…)

    • @Shafinaz
      First you said that : Quote

      Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them.

      Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this,

      Then you Said : Quote

      it didint talk about the people damn it.

      I am now beginning to belive that you are knowingly or unknowking using al-taqqiya or Quran is confusing you too, as expected…

  24. @ SDC (READ IT COMPLETELY)
    Does it bother you if I talk on the behalf of muslim women? Yeah you are right, when my religion allowed plygamy, so why should I object in sharing my husband? And you said something about you don’t care “how many women you share your husband with” you do not have to bother about that, he won’t be committing sins in any way, he will bind her in a matrimonial relationship and that too with the consent of his first wife. Frankly I would prefer that cause I wouldn’t like it if someday I come to know that my husband is in a relationship with an other women in discreet.
    You know why you have a problem in understanding that? Its because you’ve never seen around you a man living with more than 1 woman. It’s the same in my country, but that doesn’t mean I reject what has been ordered by my Lord.

    As for the rewards, so you want to know about the rewards but at the same time pretending that you are the least bothered.
    The Quran and hadith fact that men will get virgin girls is because men are more sexually active and therefore are facing a lot of difficulty (especially in the teenage years) to remain chaste. There are a lot of temptations in this world. That is why that Allah keeps promising these virgin girls. That way, this motivates the unmarried men to remain chaste and be patient because they know they have something better waiting for them in the next life.
    These are some verses that show the equality that men and women receive when it comes to attaining the rewards of paradise.

    (4:194) And whoever does good deeds whether male or female and he (or she) is a believer — these shall enter the garden, and they shall not be dealt with a jot unjustly.
    (16:97) Whoever does good whether male or female and he is a believer, We will most certainly make him live a happy life, and We will most certainly give them their reward for the best of what they did.
    (39:34) They will have with their Lord whatever they desire; that is the reward of those who good.
    Well now that you’ve got proofs,,you can from your own deduction ( maybe the women also can get virgins) :p like my Lord said that He shall give me whatever I desire  happy now Am really enjoying this one LOL

    • @Shafinaz (Comprehend it completely)

      Well, is a spokesman/spokeswoman appointed just like that, arbitrarily, no notifications whatsoever? Fine. So, you are indeed the self-appointed spokeswoman of muslim women.

      The point is why allow polygamy for only one-half of the population. If it is indeed worthy of practice, why are the women are debarred from practicing it? What is the basic difference between your husband having more wives (besides you of course) and him having extramarital affairs with other women?

      Inquiring and being bothered are probably different, what say you? So, women are less sexually active than men, and how do you know? Let me guess: Quran says so, am I right? See, it is very hard to debate with nutcases, they come up with ridiculous “facts” that they invent in their spare time. BTW, you probably are not aware of impotency in men, is it not? I thought so.

      Anyways, you will go trumpeting about the importance of modesty but will brazenly talk of virgins, pearly bottomed boys of heaven as rewards. Why will it be a sin if somebody decides to enjoy in this very life? In any case, unmarried men do not have to remain chaste and patient: They already have effective tools at their disposal viz, polygamy, sex slaves, ghanimah (war booty), etc. to enjoy life to the fullest (ordered by your prophet).

      So, you are definitely not averse to the idea of enjoying in your after-life.

    • Dear you don’ t have problem if your husband share girls more than one, i really feel you must be shame or you die somewhere,
      because your this thought only millions of girls are are abused, your these thought makes man to do more sin, islam allow a man to keep how many whore he wants,
      really your brain has nicely washed,
      and please open your eyes and see the fact which is mean to me, you are such kind of girls who never want to have freedom, because since chilhood your mind are wahsed nicely, your type girls rtealy shame for the society………
      and i am sure even after death you will not be happy, do not believe any thing blindly,

  25. @ SDC
    And yeah chapter 2:228 “and the men are a degree above them [women].” This superiority is in the forms of responsibility, like in your house, your dad sits at the edge of the table and acts as a leader,,its in the same way, this verse is referring,,,day to day life :p
    If you read the verse completely, you should have understood because it talks completely upon the rights of a wife over her husband and vice versa. So obviously it would never talk on “intelligence” as you thought :p

    As for 2:282. This is not because women are inferior, but because this responsibility is not very suited to their temperament and general sphere of interests and the environment they are used to. verse shows that women are easy tempted by tears, women are known for their fragility, emotional feelings. So when you should summon for witnesses, follow the verse.

    • Are not women equally responsible? If they are, why should men be a degree above them? And, you accused me of trying to “show women’s inferiority.” What an irony!

      So, in this 21st century, you are implying that women’s responsibilities and spheres of interests are limited, and that women are fragile but men are not. Have you by any chance heard of women like Rani Jhansi, Indira Gandhi, Kiran Bedi, etc.? I sincerely doubt it. Thankfully, sharia law is not admissible in India at least.

  26. @ Rehan: lol..fight for equality..ohhhh cut the crap please !
    hey man when i said about women giving birth etc, i tried to show you the fact that you enjoy sex doesnt mean you reap the same fruits…ohh God Help me !
    you know what, i posted a verse in my previous comment about equality in rewards…just check it out please.

    • What was so fascinating about the crap that you posted? Why only dream of equality in rewards in an unseen, unknown world, why not in opportunities and rights, moron? Why do you dream of a perfect, equitable after-life? Why not strive for equity here and now?

    • I am sure god will, not help you , i have asked you so many questions but you answer for non of them,you are a big shame, even if your religion allow you to sleep with some one i am sure you say ya lord permitting me to sleep, i reaaly dont want to discuss morer with moron like you………….

  27. @ SDC
    And the way you pointed out that am disregarding the ability of women, that was a cunning way trying to interprete my example in your own wrong way. .You and I knows it well that I never showed women inferiority in any comments. But on the contrary its been you since long trying to show women’s inferiority. What I said was only an example to show that women has its own capabilities while men has others. They can never be equal I agree, but its not the way you presented it,,as if women are inferior and cannot debate with men bla bla bla. I proved you wrong since am the only girl here debating with 3 boys and this didn’t affect me in the least way.
    And the one about being a woman or an imposter, you can think as you like.

    • So, you are deliberately trying to read evil in my comment on the issue of equality. Why? Was it too hot for you to handle ? Or possibly, I hit the nail on the head: You are an impostor, right. But, on the other hand, you could also be one of those loonies who are incorrigibly indoctrinated.

      In any case, I see a sinister attempt on your part to denigrate the status and role of women. If only you cared to read my comment, you would know I was all the while trying to defend the standing of women in society that you were so zealously trying to relegate to a low-priority status with your trite insinuations.

    • you first decide yourself , a man and woman are equal or not in the society, its not about how they look physically, i am asking about there role?
      first you confirm this and then procced, please dont say whatever is coming in your mind, be logical. i really feel shame because of girls like you, muslim womans are not able to enjoy there life………..

  28. @ SDC
    Ohhh…..wow, how you play such moves !
    You know what, you’ve got more to do to get on my nerves,.i don’t lose my temper so easily,. You’ve lost it.. you wanted to criticize that islam considers women as inferior. I was the one to denigrate the female gender???Here it is…
    “Also, why is it that you have to even debate with us because according to Islam, women are half as intelligent as men. So, you will in any case be defeated theoretically.” (your words)
    And when I tried to show you the contrary, you instantly deviate the subject. Read here, I bet u still remember what you wrote.
    “I am trying to prove that Allah views males as superiors to females.”
    When I showed you proof on the contrary, you start putting the blame on me that am the one to disregard women??? Ohh get a grip dude. Or is it that you can’t stand your defeat?
    And I’ll keep on repeating whatever I said earlier because fools like you do not understand simple things straightaway.

    • Darling, do not get unduly worked up. I was simply reminding you of the teachings of your beloved prophet: that women are inferior to men.

      I did not digress, lady. It is you who keep on doing these gymnastics. BTW, you showed nothing substantial. If you think you can get away with a play of words, then I am not the one to let you off the hook.

      Did you mention the word defeat? And you defeated me. When? In your dreams probably. Indeed, self-flattery knows no limits.

      Please do repeat you hackneyed logic. I will put a hole through it every time you dare to come up with it.

  29. @ SDC
    Ahhhh now I see other questions follow up??? Never mind, one true believer (man or woman) Is enough to defend her/his religion.
    I didn’t quite understand what you meant by” allow polygamy for only one-half of the population”
    Then you want to know the difference between wives and mistress I bet? So you can’t differentiate between these two? I do not know for your religion but in my religion, a relationship outside Nikah is Haraam. And like I told you instead of a discreet haraam relationship, with polygamy it can convert into a lawful relationship.
    Also you’ve been insisting on the fact that who is more sexually active, the scientists have proven this fact, ScienceDaily (Mar. 9, 2010) — At age 55, men can expect another 15 years of sexual activity, but women that age should expect less than 11 years, I can even give you an example..Rape, pedophillis-, ever heard a woman did that to a man?
    Impotency in men,,I don’t know whats that got to do in this discussion??? Or perhaps you are wondering how these men would satisfy their wives? Maybe? And that one also should I explain it to you?
    Like you said its not a sin to enjoy in this life but to the limit. Maybe this life means enjoyment to you, that’s what your religion taught you, that’s your belief. But my religion taught me that this life is a test, which all the answers I’ve been given, I only have to follow the orders and pleases my Lord. if I pass this test, I will be rewarded jannah.
    You are just finding excuses to ignore the fact, you want proofs and when it is shown to you, you start avoiding it..
    “ Unmarried men do not have to remain chaste and patient: They already have effective tools at their disposal viz, polygamy, sex slaves, ghanimah (war booty), etc. to enjoy life to the fullest (ordered by your prophet). “
    I want proofs boy so that I can show you the contrary.
    This conversation is getting us nowhere, you’re are just avoiding the truth because you don’t know your facts..huhh how pathetic

    • By one-half of the population, I was referring to the men who are allowed to practice polygamy.

      Aw, you are so innocent. You probably have never heard of sex slaves that your prophet was so fond of. In fact, he had an inflated harem full of them. BTW, I asked you to explain the “difference between your husband having more wives (besides you of course) and him having extramarital affairs with other women.” Your comprehensive abilities are in serious doubt.

      The best solution to that problem would be simple: The husband needs to be at least 4 years older than the wife. That is it. You do not need to marry again at the age of 55, do you? What do you suggest? Females cannot rape males because penetration is a factor. Also, males tend to be a bit more physically stronger than females. Try to be a bit more comprehensible; I did not understand the last part.

      I am disgusted with you and your eccentric beliefs. What proofs are you talking of? Elucidate.

      And what proofs do you need?

      It is definitely getting us somewhere: I am able to drive home my point: Islam is a toxic philosophy. It destabilizes the minds of its followers.

  30. @ SDC
    Fight for equity? I do not have to, in fact I never got any chance to complain that islam is discriminating between the genders. Like you thought in these verses my Lord were showing that women are inferior, I showed you that the meaning was something else.
    I dream of a perfect after-life because am sure about it. My Lord has showed me great signs which I see happening now, and you want me to reject message?
    My lord showed me in the qur’an the formation of a foetus in the mothers womb, and now science prove it with “new researches”, and you think I believe in the message blindly?
    He Who has created all things in the best possible way. He commenced the creation of man from clay; then He made his progeny from an extract of discarded fluid. (Qur’an, 32:7-8)
    “We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance).( 23:12-14) and still you do not believe. Then I must say you are bloody arrogant
    My Lord showed me how the night turns dark, how the sun runs on its orbit and you said I believe blindly? (36:37,38)
    My Lord informed me long ago of many things which now science proves the same, and you still want me not to believe?
    Its you who are blind folded, and you do not want to hear about the the truth, you ignore everything which proves you wrong in the end. Look SDC or whatever your name, I never criticized your religion the way you did to my religion. I would appreciate if you mind your words, it may be crap to you but it’s the most precious to me and I bet you wouldn’t like it if I criticize yours. The same way you should learn to respect my religion the way I respect yours.

    • Look at the context in which I said that. You pointed out to me that your Allah guarantees you equality in the enjoyment of pleasures of heaven. You showed nothing except more gibberish. Please enlighten me on the “great signs.”

      You will need to acquaint yourself with Hippocratic, Aristotelian and Galenic embryology. You will also be glad to know that even ancient Indians knew a lot of rudimentary embryology. There are articles in the net refuting this claim. BTW, how much of embryology do you understand?

      The most important point is why were the muslims still riding on camels, living as nomads in Muhammad’s time. Your Allah could have directly passed on the scientific knowledge for the betterment of the nomadic Arabs and made their lives prosperous and comfortable. But, alas! He chose the infidels to be granted this knowledge. Why did Allah do this?

      Truth! What truth are you talking of?. You did not criticize but there are others who do. And, you do not respect my religion for the simple reason that you believe in the concept of dawah.

  31. @ SDC
    Ohhh now I showed nothing substancial? Hey I must appreciate your guts. you know what, you are bent on discussing on things which you pretend you do not give a damn. Lol tell you what, when you believe that a religion is based on false beliefs and all, then why do you care discussing about it? or is it that deep in you you recognize the truth but your arrogance wouldn’t let you accept it?
    Cause as far as am concerned, when somebody have disgust for something, he keeps a mile distant from it. That’s y I wonder how you seem to have so much references about the quranic verses. Or is it that to prove us wrong in every way possible?
    Talking about defeat, yes it was a victory for me to show you how wrong you were about my beloved Prophet. But if you didn’t take it as a defeat, well good for you. You see it as hackneyed logic??? Loll then you do you insist in discussing these topics with me? If you do not believe in any of my words, you should leave the discussion. If you see my logics as “hackneyed”, then you should have long ago left this conversation..but to my surprise you see to appreciate it. And what about the verses on equality in rewards? I didn’t notice your comments about it?

    • I did not want to extend this meaningless tirade but for your bullheadedness. Well, as I might have told you there is nothing in Quran that is worthy of emulation in as far as I am concerned.

      Mindless verbiage apart, I did respond to your “verses on equality in rewards.” I think it is time now for a visit to the eye doctor, darling. Or, maybe, you deliberately ignored it. LOL.

  32. @ SDC
    Do not change the topic, I asked you about proofs and you seems to repeat the same question? Show me proofs about sex slaves etc. I know damn well about sex slaves and all but I want you to show me the exact wording of the ahadith cause who knows where you can change its exact meaning.
    Again I ask you to mind your language, don’t start something which you’ll regret later when I start searching faults. And just because you point out one or two verses of the Quran made you think that you know all of the message? Get a life, you are only running from the truth. When I clear things for you, you search for other reasons to prove me wrong. Hats off to you.

    Islam allows polygamy to reduce adultery, but far from eradicating it completely, but it surely helps in reduces it. logic behind is if after his first nikah he is temted by another beauty, islam allows for a second marriage, due to this act, he is saved from sins
    Secondly the population of women is greater than men.
    Thirdly to increase the population, he marries up to 4 women and can have children with each.
    Fourthly like as said men more sexually active and he can satisfy him with other wives if one of his wife cannot pleases him due to health problems.
    Fifthly if his wife cannot bear children, he still has the chances with other nikah.

    Well now you’ll see this one as “hackneyed” logic, but nothing can be expected from you, your objective is to prove me wrong which will never succeed.
    Like you said islam destabilizes the mind of the follower, loll did I heard right?you claimed yourself to be a follower or I heard it wrong? A true muslim will never say such a phrase, so do not bother about the followers of islam ok? Loll yes maybe you are right about my comprehensive abilities, but then I must say you are a real genius to ask a person of low intelligence to clear things for you.
    Wow so you live in India? I read an article about its overpopulation, illiteracy, poverty, unemployment in addition to nepotism, corruption, caste system, religion, regionalism and irresponsible citizens, so I guess its obvious when they can’t handle their own country, how can the handle the laws of my Lord.
    And don’t mess SDC, don’t talk about shariah. I read many articles on india and its inhabitants, do not put words in my mouth.

    • Okay, here they are: Sura 4:24, Sura 23:5-6, Sura 33:50–52, Sura 70:30, etc.

      Also, these hadiths: Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 718, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 459, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 506, etc.

      You are probably inspired by the woman in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ek3xKKnKvQ

      Well, if you do find out faults, I will be gracious enough to acknowledge them and try to rectify them in my personal capacity and not gloss over them or brush them under the carpet. BTW, your explanations on the questions raised are not satisfactory. Will leave the rest to the discretion of the reader.

      Then, why do you need to stone to death female adulterers? Why Allah failed to find a peaceful solution for them?

      Here comes another oft-repeated Islamic factoid: The population of women is greater than that of men.

      When population explosion is already putting enormous strain on the already existing infrastructure, you will go on to further aggravate the situation.

      Factoid #2: Men are more sexually active. Also, what happens when a man falls ill and is unable to sexually satisfy his wife? Does the wife have the liberty to seek the services of other men?

      What if a man is sterile? Can his wife engage the services of virile men to bear children?

      Yes, India is plagued with various problems, and we are happy about it. BTW, which country do you belong to? I would like to know more about the education system of that country that produces incorrigible fools.

  33. @ Rehan
    Ohhh..so you mean that I should have a problem in sharing my husband with lawful girls(in marriage)? And what do you think of those relationships where a husband commits adultery. I presume from your opinions that’s ok to have sex with other girls but it is a “shame” to share a husband with co-wives?
    Ohhh that’s really fantastic..you know what you can shove it off !
    Why do you so worry about my freedom??? You don’t have to, ok? Ohhh how am touched to see people like you worry about girl’s freedom. Rare species hun.
    Talking about believing blindly, then let me ask you something…do you see air? But yet you believe its around you..then how would you explain this to me. You do not feel nor see it but you believe its here?
    And yeah, I didn’t answer your questions because I already repeated them somewhere in my comments. Ohhh perhaps its because you do not know how to read between lines..ohh so sorry, can’t help you !

    • By lawful, you obviously mean legitimized by Quran. Quran also legitimizes sexual slavery. Will you allow your husband to have sex slaves?

      Why will a man commit adultery when he can marry more than once and buy sex slaves? In fact, the ceiling on 4 marriages is rendered ineffective with the provision of easy divorce: triple talaq.

      BTW, Rehan is definitely a rare species. He has got the stomach to digest the truth: Islam is a dehumanizing and toxic philosophy.

      Fools do drag you down to their level. I at least do feel the presence of air. Now, do not tell me that you feel the presence of Allah.

  34. ohhhh please, you don’t have to come in between the conversations and give your point of views everytime. it was between me and Rehan. how can you be so mean. yes i do feel the presence of Allah in His Creatures, infact every believer feels His presence. i bet that one was new for you.

    • Why not? This is an open forum and everyone has the right to air his views and opinions.

      Take a bow! We have a mystic amongst us. BTW, how does it feel like?

    • darling, you can feel presence of Allah in His Creatures,
      i just want to correct your line here say you can feel the presensce of god in every creature,

      please learn to accept fact, got will never want to have partiality among Men and women, but hope someday you will open your eyes…..

  35. @ SDC
    I showed nothing except gibberish..ohhh please! What did you expect I would show you?. Lol I just can’t digest that, you find my logic insensible and now my proofs as nonsense. Your confusing yourself in search of greater explanations and greater proofs. its damn true about what I said earlier, you know islam is the true call, but you want to prove yourself wrong.
    First it was question about equality in men and women,
    then in rewards,
    then about women inferior to women, t
    hen finding faults in polygamy,
    then pointing out your opinions that islam prevents from enjoying life,
    and at the same time question me about my belief in after-life
    GET A GRIP LOL

    Loll now you want to know about muslim riding camel…then after answering that one, you’ll follow up with another rubbish one that why we drive cars, HE could have given us wings to move easily. Then why the apple is red and not blue,
    Then why did Allah do this and that, why this and that, why the Prophet said this and that.
    Yeah you’re right, I need an optician. And you should visit the mental asylum maybe.
    And yeah I do not criticize, but I show proofs. you have to knock other doors to hear criticism.
    And when did I say that I do not respect your religion? On the contrary I was the one who never badmouth about your religion bozo LOL. Hang loose and stay cool LOL.. Oh dear, I pray for your peace of mind.
    You did not want to extend this meaningless tirade but for my bullheadedness. But it seems so opposite to me.

    Hear me now, its useless to answer your questions when they are not meeting your so called expectations. Like you want clarifications but do not pay attention to proofs..strange ! what a pain in the neck !
    “There is nothing in Quran that is worthy of emulation in as far as I am concerned.”
    Then you should not trouble yourself with issues in the Qu’ran..why do you bother to ask for clarifications? Loll..you are a bit of a mystery, no I correct, COMPLETELY. Mentally retarded is the most appropriate one.

    • And, lo and behold, more gibberish! Well, I am at least not a pervert. so, you do not need to draw unnecessary inferences.

      Your tactic is really simple: Being deliberately verbose to obfuscate the issues discussed as you have no plausible answers for the questions raised. BTW, apples are not always red, they are sometimes green as well in case the Quran does not contain this scientific truth.

      Don’t worry, darling. I will definitely pay you a courtesy visit while you cool your heels in the mental asylum.

      You see you will have to do better than those invented facts. Well, as for my religious beliefs, I am more than willing to face criticism.

      When people like you come to forums such as this and try to do dawah, then it is my concern to see them sent packing.

      Baby, I may be mentally retarded (at least, I will understand something) but you are gone case.

  36. loll you still want an explanation for these verses, gona try to give you a detailed explanation, i might even consult the encyclopedia if the need arises as mr genius sees my logics as nonsense.

  37. 1– A man can marry with more than one (maximum 4) women. (Qur’an 4:3).
    2– For a man it’s neither obligatory nor prohibited to marry more than one.
    3– If someone want he can, no one can restrict him.
    4– And if someone doesn’t wanna marry more than one , no one can force him.
    5– So marring with more than one women is a choice.
    6– If someone wanna marry with more than one, he should be just with all (Qur’an 4:129).
    7– If he can’t be just then he should marry with only one. (Qur’an 4:3)
    So what is wrong with Non-Muslims?

  39. @ Shafinaz
    I really appreciated the way you defending the true religion but somewhere I find that you cannot give the opponent a befitting reply.

    First of all you should never have put yourself in this trouble, trying to sort out their doubts, after all this message are not to be delivered to hypocrites.
    What the point in explaining things to assholes when in the end they are showing their disagreements (all pretense). No wonder their country are in great development with these narrow-minded inhabitants. You got that one damn right “when they cannot handle their own country, how do you expect them to handle (understand) the laws of the shariah”

    When you have spare time, you read their questions once again and you will see all the mix up they come with, shucks. Their comments only served to confuse the issue further.

    Also do not disclose your identity or nationality, please, you cannot expect anything from these perverts.
    They are like mere fire crackers which explodes into loud noise but inside burn itself into ashes.
    Do not give further explanations on new verses brought up; they will ultimately find other excuses and faults. Besides, you already know their aim.

    When shaitan[devil] was expelled from Jannah[Heaven], he challenged Allah[swt]. shaitan said “I swear by Your Honor, I swear by You, Allah. I will misguide each & everyone of them as long as they have a spirit within their bodies, this will be my duty & this will be what I want to do” Allah responded “& I swear by My OWN Honor that I will continue FORGIVING them, as long as they have repentance.”

  40. @ SDC

    Commenting upon the video you gave link – many videos on the net which invents false information only to deceive or upset the viewers. Now if you still think that this video is not a fabricated one, then the characters in this video surely does not conform with the true teachings of islam.

    BTW your ways are indeed cunning, discussing on issues of controversies to prove yourself right. You will fall flat on your face each time you try to misguide a believer.
    What a pity, we have come to know about your sadistic and barbaric nature. But then what can be expected from the citizens of India; that’s their true nature. A piece of advice, its either accepted or rejected- you should try to solve the embarrassing situations in your country rather than pointing out baseless faults and accusations on islam. That’s not your cup tea,

  42. i do not understand dear muslim brothers and sisters, when you know that other religion beside Islam is fake, better not indulge in their arguments.. le chien aboie, la caravan passe…those who can understand its better hehehe

  45. @ SDC
    lol, fools do say stupid things to have their own way. its clear that you know nothing about ‘shared/open’ accounts?1! loll those types of accounts where only registered users have access to it-many users occupying an account.

  46. @ SDC
    you can try your best to get rid of whatever you want, but you wont be able to remove islam in the heart of the muslim big Daddy.

  47. @ shafinaz
    i know about these types of accounts, used to share files and videos..
    and do not worry about his words, thats plain chatter. he’s been like a real pest. this is the point at which he has to meet his waterloo..but he just does not show any sighs of despair, as expected.

    • can you please tell me if you were not be muslim or you were be from any other religion, then also coukd you keep the same point of view for islam
      y al d terrorist in the world are follower of islam, are they not muslims,
      reply with logic

  48. @ Noor
    he is not at fault poor daddy, he’s trying to get rid of islam in his dreams LOL, you should not dissapoint him. you should respect the views and opinions of elders LOL

    • can you please tell me if you were not be muslim or you were be from any other religion, then also coukd you keep the same point of view for islam
      y al d terrorist in the world are follower of islam, are they not muslims,
      reply with logic

      i need your point of view and ya, while answering keep humanity also in your mind,
      islam says evn a single inosnce should not die
      but due to islam countless inosence had lost thier life, how do you see this fact?

  49. hello guysss…thats cool the way you giving them a dose of their own medicine.
    some people sees themselves as strong enough to bring down islam…totally pathetic.
    Live Islam.

    • can you please tell me if you were not be muslim or you were be from any other religion, then also coukd you keep the same point of view for islam
      y al d terrorist in the world are follower of islam, are they not muslims,

  50. Hey shafinaz, I can lay a bet, if you continue giving answers to old daddy, he gonna ask you why Allah didn’t mention the name of all the fruits in the qur’an which grows on earth, all the animals, the dangerous and the docile one,,in that case, the revelation of the qur’an would never have come to an. Hey he does all possible ways to talk his nonsense. What is his age? 70?

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