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Hinduism – an obscene religion?- Know Vedas

Sanjeev Newar
By Sanjeev Newar
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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

India today has become the center-stage of conversion virus. China and countries beyond China are too unapproachable for this virus. And in rest of the world on west of India, already whatever conversion had to happen has happened. Now its only a game of jumping from one branch aka Christianity to another aka Islam and its minute sub-branches in those locations.

But in India, there a good match of Hindu and non-Hindu population so as to offer both an attractive number of potential followers, as well a large number of agents and support-base to carry on the mission of Allah or God. And most importantly, just as India is known to have produced the greatest legends of history, the soil is also very fertile for birth and nurture of traitors who take pride in self-immolation. What else could have ensured that destruction of a symbol of shame erected by a compulsive homosexual pedophile mass murderer and drug-addict called Babur becomes such a great issue in this country instead of being an event of pride! And then the impotent leadership coupled with loose controls ensure that any other Ajmal or Afzal can easily siphon in men, money, RDX and everything else needed to reduce proportion of Hindus, very easily. I can keep adding one reason after another. But that is not the purpose of this article.

To summarize, India offers the best climate to grow new followers for any foreign religion. Now religious Conversion is a very smart game. A large number of strategies are used with varied combination to achieve the goal of only one religion. One of the greatest ploys used these days for mass-level conversion activities is to showcase that Hinduism is the most obscene religion in world. Not that this ploy was not being used so far. But in recent times, this particular tactic has become much more prominent for a variety of reasons which are not relevant to be discussed here for sake of brevity.

But this is a very serious issue today. Huge number of Hindus, ignorant of their true Dharma, and duped by internal as well as external frauds, eventually end up starting to hate Hinduism due to this false propaganda. For them Hinduism is nothing more than vulgar love-making scenes between Radha and Krishna, worship of male organ in form of Shiva Linga, Vishnu and Shiva raping women, Mohini seducing Shiva, Brahma having relation with her daughter Saraswati etc etc. We have come across pamphlets being circulated these days across India showcasing these obscenities in Hinduism and appealing Hindus to embrace foreign religions to worship Only true God and achieve true salvation. More and more Hindus are starting to hate their foundations and even those who love Hinduism are not sure as how to explain these stories and defend their Dharma. And existence of communist sickulars only adds to this mess.

1. The very first point to ascertained even before delving into each allegation of obscenity is whether that comes under the purview of Dharma in first place? The concept of Dharma in Hinduism is completely different from blind belief system of Quran or Bible. The universal definition of Dharma accepted across ALL sections of Hinduism is the 11 fold path as propounded in Manu Smriti 6.92: Non-violence, Patience, Forgiving, Self-control, Non-Stealing, Purity, Control of Sense and Work organs, Intellect, Knowledge seeking, Truthfulness, Non-Anger.
The objective of this article is to put all these allegations in right perspective and offer a toolkit to all Dharma lovers to be able to defend the truth and counter the false propaganda.

ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT TRANSGRESSES OR VIOLATES THIS 11 FOLD PATH IS NOT HINDU DHARMA OR HINDUISM.

2. The second touchstone of Dharma is Vedas. All Hindu texts very clearly and unambiguously mention that Vedas are the ultimate evidence. So ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AGAINST VEDAS IS NOT DHARMA.

Basically the above two touchstones are one and same but from slightly different perspectives.

3. The same touchstone is elaborated in a slightly different manner in Yam and Niyam of Yoga Darshan:
Yam – Non-violence, Truth, Non-Stealing, Brahmacharya (Self-control and NON-obscenity), Non-Hoarding

Niyam – Purity, Contentment, Putting strong efforts, Self-study or self-evaluation, Dedication to All Supreme.

So again, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AGAINST YAM AND NIYAM IS NOT DHARMA.

4. Having defined these basic touchstones, which are accepted by all sections of Hinduism, answering these allegations become much simpler. Because now our stand is very clear – We do not defend them, we simply REJECT them.

Q: How do you then explain the vulgar stories in our texts as alleged by these conversion activists and sickulars?

A:

1. None of these stories appear in Vedas which form the foundation of Hindu Dharma.

2. Most of these stories appear in Purans or Ramayan or Mahabharat. Now except Vedas, NO OTHER book is considered to be divine in Hinduism. Further all these Purans or Ramayan or Mahabharat are NOT spared from adulterations in last 1000 years of foreign rule by perverts who had the singular agenda of destroying the cultural foundations of this country. So these texts can be taken authentic ONLY to extent they agree with Vedas. Rest is simply adulteration and has to be rejected. And it is ACTUALLY rejected by Hindus in practice.

Q: Can you explain how you claim that these texts have been subject to adulterations?

A: There are several evidences. For example:

1. Bhavishya Puran contains stories of Akbar, Victoria, Muhammad, Jesus etc. It has shlokas talking of Sunday, Monday etc. However these stories stop in late 19th century when printing became popular. This very clearly shows that shlokas continued to be added in this book.

2. Geeta Press Gorakhpur publishes Ramayan and Mahabharat and has marked a large number of shlokas as adulterated because they appear clearly out of context.

3. Interestingly Mahabharat 265.9.4 Shantiparva even claims that fraud people have added verses that talk of wine, meat-eating, vulgarity to demean the vedic religion.

4. Garud Puran Brahmakand 1.59 states that Mahabharat is being distorted to show vulgarity in Vedic Dharma.

etc etc.

Even a cursory reading of these texts is sufficient to make us realize the amount of adulterations that these books have been subject to. Further many of these stories have been mistranslated to suit the designs of fraud conversion viruses and their carriers.

Q: How can you claim that these texts do not form part of our Dharma?

A: I did not say that these texts do not form part of our Dharma. I said that they form part of our Dharma ONLY to extent that they agree with Vedas. The evidence is in society itself:

1. No one takes the new unabridged Purans seriously (except a very few people who have nothing to do with Hinduism and only want to showcase their supremacy on basis of a fake birth-based caste system. Actually these people are biggest hands-in-glove partners of conversion viruses who destroy from inside). The mainstream Hindu population or even their leaders do not even know the name of all Purans. It is difficult to get complete versions of Purans etc today.

ONLY ABRIDGED VERSIONS or SELECT PASSAGES from these books are available for mainstream population. So ask for Ramayan, and most Hindus will give you Ramcharitmanas. Ask for Mahabharat, and they will give you Geeta. Ask for Purans, and they will at best give you compilations of moral stories from these books. Which means that Hindus agree to these books ONLY to extent that they are moral and as per Vedas.

They may make mistakes due to ignorance, but goal is always to preach and practice within ambit of Vedic religion.

Q: Then why do Hindus worship Radha-Krishna and Shiva Linga if they reject the vulgar stories behind them?

A: No, Hindus don’t worship these entities in the sense that conversion viruses want us to interpret.

1. Hindus are basically simple people who easily trust others. That is why they got fooled by foreign invaders for centuries. So, the first instinct of a typical Hindu is to trust others. Unlike a typical Zakir-type Muslim who is trained to mistrust people unless they follow Quran and Rasul and nomadic Arabic traditions, a typical Hindu would trust any other person merely because he or she is a human being. This trustworthiness is a great strength but also a great weakness, especially when you are living in an area where there are too many mosquitoes flying around spreading dengue and malaria.

So like Agniveer site, Hinduism has been quite vulnerable to hacking and virus attacks. It is time that instead of trying to maintain the same site that has become prone to future virus attacks, we rebuild it from scratch keeping the same content but hardening the security policies to defend ourselves from future attacks and eradicate existing viruses.

2. Due to simple nature of Hinduism, Hindus have traditionally not been over-critical. They adopted and adapted worship methods over a period of time to seek goodness from everywhere. It is a different matter that they did not even realize that in the process they have drifted so far from original source and have become virus prone.

3. Radha means Success. There is a mantra in Yajurveda 1.5 that seeks Radha or Success from Ishwar to be able to stay resolved in accepting truth and rejecting false. Now Krishna was an icon of such a resolve in his life. Someone somewhere down the line symbolized this Radha (or success) in form of idols. The goal was noble, but in process we drifted from core foundations of Ishwar worship. Soon creativity kept being added, the Radha became a woman, stories were written to demean Krishna with a non-wife woman and the game continued. Simple Hindus continue to worship Radha Krishna even today with same pure feeling, completely unaware of the distortions that have happened in the process. Ask any Hindu about the scripture which talks of Radha and he will become silent. Hardly any Hindu knows about it. Now Radha does not appear in either Mahabharat or Harivansh or Bhagwat or any other authoritative text, to cite an example.

To a typical Hindu, Radha is symbol of purity even though he does not know why and how. Had Radha-Krishna relation been obscene in minds of Hindus, that obscenity would have been reflected in lives of Radha worshippers. But Krishna worshippers are monogamous, often Brahmacharis and avoid free mingling with opposite gender. Thus, for all practical matters, HINDUS REJECT ALL FALSE STORIES AND ALL FALSE BOOKS ON RADHA AND KRISHNA.

4. Shiva Linga means Sign of Purity. It started with an attempt to create idol of a Deepak. Now many Hatha Yogi practice concentration on tip of Deepak flame. The flame flickers due to wind. Hence an idol was created to practice concentration. Then some pervert imagined reproductive organs in the idol and created false stories. Gullible Hindus started worshipping this idol as symbol of purity completely unaware of mystery behind. A typical Hindu is not interested to know why and how. He simply accepts things at face value and tries to accept goodness from everywhere. No Hindu has ever read Shiva Puran and other texts associated with Shiva Linga. He simply goes to Shiva temple to offer his pure feelings to Ishwar. Period. Thus, for all practical matters, HINDUS REJECT ALL FALSE STORIES AND ALL FALSE BOOKS ON SHIVA LINGA.

5. Hindus basically believe that same truth is approached by different scholars in different manners. They thus easily admit anyone as scholar and start following him as well in illusion that they are only seeking goodness. So we have Hindus going to Ajmer Sharif to worship even a traitor who sided with Muhammad Ghori to defeat Prithviraj Chauhan. They would worship grave of Afzal Khan who was killed by Shivaji, the Great for his loots and rapes. The basic drive that propels Hindus to every form of worship is very honorable – to seek goodness from all side.

But as I said, unless you apply medical ointment, take pills and carry all precautions of not eating and drinking without being careful, it is very easy to catch Dengue in New Delhi today. The Commonwealth drama is not going to help and in fact make situations worse due to dug-up roads, congestion and dirty-water accumulation. Similarly, despite the hype that variety of small and big cults create, unless we stick to our basics of Vedas, take strong measures, and be careful it is easy to be infected the way Hindu society has become today.

In summary, Hindus worship only goodness. They seek this goodness in whatever form of worship it comes. They do not care about stories behind it. They do not bother about genesis and conspiracies behind these modes of worship, and simply seek goodness. Hence while Hindus should be very careful, it is also true that these stories and these books DO NOT FORM PART OF PRACTICAL OR THEORITICAL HINDUISM.

Q: What about stories of Brahma having relation with his daughter and Shiva running after Mohini?

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It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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  3. I guess the answer to all the confusion is ignorance. I will not defend Islam, however I shall defend the books from God be it the bible, quran and vedas. All the books talks about the religion of God, however it is the enemy of God that separate all these books according to a different religion. As such, all the religions actually do not follow the teaching of the books. Al quran is not about Islam as the quran told us to follow the religion of Abraham and you need to trust all other books sent prior to the revelation of Quran. Why? Because al quran alone is not complete and it is a book of corrections. Only people that read the quran and follow the commandments will try to understand the quran, bible and vedas. To know the history of abraham religion and the law, you will have to read the old testaments. To know about the angels and the kingdom of God you need to read the new testaments. To understand the spiritual knowledge and the concept of soul you will need the Vedas and finally to know the language of heaven and also the religious ritual that have been lost, you will need the quran. As I said, did any of us push aside our ignorance and just follow what is commanded by God? I will defend the books and seek knowledge from all the books and i will not defend any religion as there is only one religion of God. I shall preach each and everyone using the books that they trust and will fill in the Gap for any lost knowledge so that man will once again gain their greatness in the religion of God.

    • @ mahadaya

      Could you please elaborate on language of heaven and also the religious ritual that have been lost that is explained in the quran.

      Thank you

    • who is this idiot.. who gives contradicting statement..

      you say i will not defend ISLAM and next line you say i will;; defend books from GOD bible,vedas and quran.. this is a height of stupidity…
      How can all books from GOD??? It is only QURAN not your vedas who teaches you tell lie ,KAMASUTRA,IDOL worshipping, porn movies, adultery is fine as there is no punishment,homosexuality is fine as there is no hell ,rape is fine as thre is no hell for rapist what a religion you have brought for humna kind..YOU ARE A SHAME TO MANKIND…

      • @Muinz

        wow, Quran teaches you all these things like kama sutra, idol worshipping. You are right, looks like you wanted to say all these allegations on Vedas, but you mistakenly said it for Quran. Thats ok, truth always jumps out regardless how much you try to surpress it.

        You are right Quran teaches idol worship,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this is why millions of muslims bow towards the kaaba the biggest idol of all idolatry.

        you are right Quran teaches you kama sutra…………this is why verses 23.6 and verses 33.50 talk about keeping sex slaves.

        you are right Quran teaches you adultery, this is why Aisha had affairs with other men.

        you are right, Quran even talks of pornography, this is why Mohammad saw his own daughter in law naked and told his son to divorce her so he can marry her. Moreover, the paradise full of virgins, this authenticates your point of pornograpy

      • VIK BROTHER BULL’S EYE YOU SAID IT

        FREUDIAN SLIP OF TONGUE from inside he knows truth but he does not want to accept the truth what Koran really is (book of green snakes).

      • Hellooo,,
        You first answer my questions it may be a typo error..but that does not proves your religion is the only way of living..
        Answer my questions..

        1)Shatter the KAABA? This is the mentality of a terrorist..You are a terrorrist .You want to see KAABA being brought down .You yourself cannot do it so you are finding other ways to do it.It wll never happen my friend..Your foolish dream will never come true..So keep dreaming…
        When we break Idols we are actually following Vedas as you claim VeDAS are against IDOL worshipping IDOLS..So you must thank us…
        2)99%muslims do not understand ARABIC???Hello get your facts correct.Everyone in Gulf speak and understand ARABIC..Infact no one knows SANSKRIT.and no one is interested in learning SANSKRIT.
        3)Again lies…where in Quran it is written to practice lewedness??/You are again telling lies may be you are following your vedas to fabricate lies…Check your KHAJURAO temples where your EESHWAr is having sex with slave women and is complete nude…
        4)Again you are talking out of context.Quran clearly says Life is sacred and killing an inncocent is like killing a humanity..Read QURAN properly …Also you people kll muslims in the name of DHARMA..See Hindus like SIvSena,BJP,RSS,baj rang dal are doing in the name of hinduism…building rtemples in Ayoudhya for Idlol worshippng, inciting riots, legalising porn movies,protecting khajurao temples etc…its a long list…you should be ashamed of being a hindu..
        5)India is remberd by Americans ???for what??? its becoz of KAMASUTRA,POVERTY,STUPIDITY OF HINDUS,IDOL WORSHIPPIN,INFANT KILLING,SATI,SELLING OF WOMAN,NUDITY IN FILSMS ETC…and you are proud that americans remember india…
        6)Arya samaaj is practising secretly and hhidingly….No hindu knows about you people you ar e a history.You people do not meet modern standards..I have not seen anything openly declaring and edcating idiot hindus about vedas and prohibition of Idol worshippping nota a single statement in any newspaper or news channel.i challenge if you are ready to openly annoubnce to all hindus that IDOL worshippping is againt you r relgion and destroy all idols in temples in siddhivinayak , all idls of GANPATI , i am ready to bear all the expenses??/Come one let see your IMAN .Are you ready i awill bear all expenses .You just come in a news channel abour=t you rvedas.
        ..Are you ready for the challenge..
        7)Again all lies.Show me wher ein quran it is written to kill innocent people.Agaian you are following your religion whcih tals to fabricate lies..No wonder you people are not respected by your own hindus…What a shame on your life…As is said beofre Quran clearly says Life is sacred) Al-Anaam 6:151) ,(Isra17:33).read it by yourself and also let me know any verse from Vedas which says LIFE IS SACRED…
        8)What is the need of unity??what nonsense you are talking…Allah listens to our prayer even when we pray alone.We unite to show brotherhood and in gathering in speeches we talk about oneness of ALLAH and teach what is Haraam and Halaal, ,what is ISLAm the real peace.I pray you tooo come to rel peace ISLAm and not the duplicate VEDAS…
        again..Shatter the KAABA? This is the mentality of a terrorist..You are a terrorrist .You want to see KAABA being brought down .You yourself cannot do it so you are finding other ways to do it.It wll never happen my friend..Your foolish dream will never come true..So keep dreaming…
        When we break Idols we are actually following Vedas as you claim VeDAS are against IDOL worshipping IDOLS..So you must thank us…

      • MUINZ, LUST PROPHET OF ISLAM PROHET MOHAM-MAD PISS BE UPON HIM PUT KAMASUTRA TO SHAME HE TRIED KAMASUTRA POSE ON HIS ADOPTED MOTHER’S FATIMA’S DEAD BODY, ON MOTHER OF MOMINS, MOHAMMAD’S OWN DAUGHTER AND ALI’S CHILDREN AND HIS ADOPTED SONS WIFE. KAMASUTRA IS NOTHING COMPARED TO YOUR ALLAH’S AND MOHM-MAD TEACHINGS

      • Your language shows your teachings from your religion.
        May be you have learnt this from vedas..
        Again tell me where in Quran it is written WHAT you have said..
        SO YOU AGREE KAMASUTRA IS A PART OF YOUR VEDAS JUST TO ARGUE WITH MUSLIMS YOU WANT TO GET RID OFF IT…

      • MUINZ before talking about kamasutra read your Hadith which clearly says that Prophet Muhammad was necrophilia who had sex with his adopted mother’s dead body.

        PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A NECROPHILIA ACCORDING TO MUSLIMS OWN HOLY SCRIPTURES. SEE THIS VIDEO

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwf2_RNejv0&feature=related

        Even AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI did not find anything wrong in this he said If JESUS could spend three days in a tomb what’s wrong with the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) just staying overnight now and again?

        I don’t see it causing any grave problems. Besides, it’s a cultural thing, so who are you to criticise?

      • @KATIYAR

        WHILE QUOTING STATEMENTS STATE FROM THE AUTHENTIC SOURCES AND AUTHENTIC HADITH——-

        DON’T USE DAYANAND SARAWATI STRATEGY TO QUOTE WHICH IS NOT SAHIH AS SAHIH–

        JUST QUOTING STATEMENTS FROM HADITHS WHICH ARE NOT AUTHENTIC—-DOES NOT FULLFILL U’R CLAIM

        AND HADEES IS A BOOK WHICH IS AN CLOLLECTION OF HADITHS——-A

        AND THAT HADITH ARE FURHTER CLASSIFIED AS—SAHIH,WEAK,WAHID,ETC

        AS QURAN IS THE WORD OF GOD–U CAN QUOTE ANY STATEMENT WITH CONTEXT–WE WILL ANSWER—AND FROM HADITH WHICH IS SAID AS SAHIH

        LET’S SEE WHAT U’R WORD OF GOD VEDA’S SAY—-
        PORNOGRAPHY IN VEDAS

        Incest : The Father Commits Incest With His DaughterThis is a concept of creation which appears in Rig-Veda and remains through later Hindu mythology. It contains an idea of primeval Incest. Explicitly there is no single hymn which tells this story, but references are scattered around to give a summary of the incestuous event. This story never actually tells the name of the father and the daughter .Let’s read the Rid-Vedic hymns about this incest act of creation.
        From the Rig-Veda 10.61.5-7, 1.71.5 , 1.71.8 , 1.164.33

        When you will look for the Verses 5-7 in Rig-Veda book 10 hymn 61 present online-to hide reality , but truth cannot be hidden as we will be providing you with the translated verses.
        Rig-Veda 10.61.5-7, 1.71.5 , 1.71.8 , 1.164.33

        As his penis was stretched out in eagerness for the act of a man, the manly one pulled back. He drew back again from the maiden, his daughter, that tireless phallus which had been thrust in. As they were in the midst of the very act of union, when the father was satisfying his desire for the younger girl, the two of them left a little of the out-flowing seed shed upon the back of the earth in the womb of good deeds. When the father shed his seed in his own daughter, he split his seed on the earth as he united with her. The benevolent gods created sacred speech and fashioned Rudra Vastospati, the protector of sacred rites….. As Agni made the seed for the great father, heaven , he entered into the womb, having noticed that she was inclined to him. The hunter shot an arrow at him boldly. The god satisfied his lust in his own daughter….As the heat of passion came to the king for his enjoyment, heaven laid aside on the ground the seed that had been spilt. Agni caused to be born the blameless benevolent group of youth and made them great…. Heaven is my father, the engenderer, the navel here. My mother is this wide earth , my close kin , Between these two outstretched bowls is the womb (it is translated as womb literally Vagina-yoni ) in it the father placed his daughter’s embryo. [Translated by Wendy Doniger in her Book Hindu Myths on page 26 )

        Rig Veda 1.116.19 The Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who is their sister
        Rig Veda 1.91.7 Agni is the son of his father and his sister

        “After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: ‘O Horse, i extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception’” – Yajur Veda 23/20.

        The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu(priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: “This horse may release semen in me.” -Yajur Veda 23/20.

        WHILE REFUTIN U’R CLAIM—DON’T CLAIM THAT TRANSLATION IS WROMG—–

        AND IF THE TRANSLATION IS WRONG,,THEN PROVIDE U’R WORD TO WORD TRANSLATION WITH SANSKRIT TEXT–IF U R TRUTHFUL

        U QUOTED FROM AN HADITH WHICH IS NOT AN AUTHENTIC AND DO NOT BELIEVE AS WORD OF GOD

        AND I HAD QUOTED FROM U’R WOR OF GOD–THAT WHICH U BELIEVE—-THERE IS MANY MORE FROM OTHER SCRIPTURE,–BUT WHEN QUOTED U SAY IT IS NOT WORD OF GOD,BUT VEDAS ARE WORD OF GOD ACCORDING TO U –SO REFUTE

      • truefriend of zakir naik
        Scientific errors in Quran:

        Quran [2:1] says that Allah is not one!
        Quran [13:1] says that Muhammad is not the final Rasul!
        Quran [29:1] says that Quran is the work of Satan and not Allah!
        Quran [10:1] says dont follow Muhammad.
        Quran [10:2] says that all Muslims will go to hell.
        Quran [10:3] says that Muhammad will be the first man to enter the hell.
        Quran [10:4] says that Allah put seal in the heart of Muhammad so that he could not understand the truth and Allah made him illiterate.
        Quran [10:5] ….

        [TRANSLATED BY GREAT ISLAMIC SCHOLAR VAJRA]

        Incest in Islam:

        Adam and Eve was a single pair. They fathered many children and those children, who were brothers and sisters mutually, married each other! So all Muslims are the result of incest!

        Regarding your errors in Vedas, read the translation by Swami Dayanand. And if you find some error there, we can discuss that. And dont expect from us to give you word to word translation from already available sources. visit http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org and read yourself.

      • @VAJRA

        Frustration speaks—DON’T FRUSTRATE—SAME QUESTION REPEATED–HAPPENS—-REGARDING ERRORS IN VEDAS—GIVE WORD TO WORD TRANSLATION OF THE CLAIMED ERRORS IN VEDAS–IF U R TRUTHFUL

        ANSWER
        Quran [2:1] says that Allah is not one!
        ANSWER:- ARABIC WILL BE POSTED IN TRANSLITERATION FORM
        CH2 V-1-‘Alif-Lām-Mīm-TRANSLITERATION
        THE MEANING OF THE VERSES IS NOT TRANSLATED BY ANYONE & THESE ARE THE ALPHABETS IN ARBIC FOR e.g. IN ENGLISH SUCH AS A,B,C & NOT AN WORD.
        MAY BE U HAVE GOT THE TRANSLATION FROM DAYANAND SARASWATI.

        Quran [13:1] says that Muhammad is not the final Rasul!
        ANSWER:-
        CH-13 V-1- These are the signs (or verses) of the Book: that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is the Truth; but most men believe not.

        WHERE DOES THE ABOVE VERSE SAY THAT THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD(SAW) IS NOT THE FINAL RASOOL, THE VERSE DOESN’T TALK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
        HE IS THE LAST PROPHET IT IS MENTIONED IN
        Al-Ahzab, Chapter33 Verse40 -Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the SEAL of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

        Quran [29:1] says that Quran is the work of Satan and not Allah!
        ANSWER:- ‘Alif-Lām-Mīm-TRANSLITERATION
        THE MEANING OF THE VERSES IS NOT TRANSLATED BY ANYONE & THESE ARE THE ALPHABETS IN ARBIC FOR e.g. IN ENGLISH SUCH AS A,B,C & NOT AN WORD.
        MAY BE U HAVE GOT THE TRANSLATION FROM DAYANAND SARASWATI.

        Quran [1:1] says dont follow impotent Muhammad.
        ANSWER:-
        CH-1 V-1(1) In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
        WHERE DOES THE ABOVE VERSE SAY THIS,NOWHERE THE VERSE DOES TALK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

        Quran [1:2] says that all Muslims will go to hell.—
        ANSWER:- Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;-
        READ WHAT THE VEDAS SAY SOEWHAT SIMILAR IN RIGVED 5-81-1
        WHERE DOES THE ABOVE VERSE SAY THIS,NOWHERE THE VERSE DOES TALK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
        Quran [1:3] says that Muhammad will be the first man to enter the hell.
        ANSWER:- Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
        WHERE DOES THE ABOVE VERSE SAY THIS,NOWHERE THE VERSE DOES TALK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

        Quran [1:4] says that Allah put seal in the heart of Muhammad so that he could not understand the truth and Allah made him impotent.
        ANSWER:- Master of the Day of Judgment.
        FRUSTRATION AND FALSE PREACHING FAILS
        QURAN SAYS IN CH-17 V81- (81) And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”

      • @VAJRA

        WHEN ERRORS ARE POSTED FROM VEDAS–U DO NTO ANSWER THEM——AND JUST SAY READ THE TRANSLATION FROM U’R JAMNAGAR SITE

        SEE IF U WANT TO REFUTE THE CLAIMS —REFUTE AS I HAD REFUTE– WORD TO WORD—AND DON’T SAY JUST READ THE TRANSLATION FROM U’R VERSION

        IT NEETS GUTS,FAITHFULNESS–TO REFUTE WITH PROOF–NOT JUST-BY SAYING READ THIS AND THAT- TRANSLATION—–

        -IT MEANS THAT U U’R SELF DON’T KNOW WHAT IS IN VEDAS–AND CAN’T REFUTE

      • HA HA HA you made mockery of yourself by quoting these verses, these verses have been rebutted by us earlier these verses are translated by ABUL KASAM who writes articles in http://www.islam-watch.org exposing islam, if you believe these verses as true that you have given to us then believe what is written in http://www.islam-watch.org Father-Daughter Incest and Horse-Queen Incest are already rebutted by Raju Maliger see the below article. You are new this site I think that is why you have copy pasted from Truthofhinduism.com but now author of this site is not coming to us for debate. If you check their website Truthofhinduism.com they have given reference from Bhavishya puran so the author of this site has accepted it as a authentic book so if he has accepted this as an authentic book then must also have accepted Mohammad as Demon Tripurasur and MUSLIMS ARE DEMON WORSHIPERS.

        See below website for the rebuttal

        http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nn_ztILFxEYJ:www.lulu.com/content/content_download_redirect.php%3FmetaId%3D2732056+Atharva+Veda+20/96/15&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in

        TRUEFRIEND111111 if this hadith is weak then why did not MUSLIM SCHOLAR AYOTALLAH KHOMEINI did not say this hadith as weak and why AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI did not find anything wrong in this he said If JESUS could spend three days in a tomb what’s wrong with the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) just staying overnight now and again?

        I don’t see it causing any grave problems. Besides, it’s a cultural thing, so who are you to criticise?

        EX MUSLIM ZAKARIA BOTROS called Mohammad a necrophilia and challenged all Muslim Scholars to prove him wrong but no MUSLIM SCHOLARS DARED TO ACCEPT HIS CHALLENGE INCLUDING YOUR ZAKIR NAIK instead Muslim countries declared him NO1 ENEMY OF ISLAM and Al qaeda put 60 MILLION DOLLARS ON HIS HEAD. TRUEFRIEND111111 if Mohammad is not a necrophilia why did not Muslim scholars like Zakir Naik debate with Zakaria Botros and prove him wrong then he will not come to challenge muslims. Islamic scholars are more terrified with ZAKARIA BOTROS than they are with ALI SINA

      • @KATIYAR

        THEN POST THE TRANSLATION WORD TO WORD IN THE COMMENTS SECTION—IF U R TRUTHFUL

        PROVIDE WORD TO WORD TRANSLATION ON THIS SITE—–AND FINISH THE PROBLEM

        REGARDING THE HADITH IF ONE PERSON CLAIMS THAT IT IS SAHIH—IT DOESN’T MEAN SAHIH

        FOR e.g.

        THERE ARE MANY HINDU PRIESTS SUCH AS VED PRAKAASH,CHATURVEDI,AHMED PANDIT AND MANY MORE CONVERTED TO ISLAM—

        BUT I DO NOT USE THAT AS A BASE U TO CONVERT TO ISLAM——-SO BASED ON AN SINGLE VIEW –U CANNOT PROOVE ANYTHING TRUE

        REGARDING THE CHALLENGES—-ON THE SITE THEY CLAIM THAT THEY CHALLENGED ZAKIR NAIK

        I TOO CAN OPEN A SITE AND CHALLENGE ANYONE—IT IS AN OLD TRICK

        THE GUTS IS TO COME FORWARD AND CHALLENGE—COME ON 29 OCTOBER,2010 IN MUMBAI SOMAIYA GROUND FOR THE IRF CONFERENCE AND CHALLENGE –IF U HAVE GUTS

        COWARDS CHALLENGE SITTING AT HOME–

        ANY QUESTIONS ON SAHIH HADITH AND QURAN U CAN POST–BUT JUST DON’T SAY THAT VISIT THAT SITE OR LIKE THAT —POST IT–IT WILL BE REFUTED

        AND WHAT ABUT VEDAS–WILL U REFUTE—WITH WORD TO WORD TRANSLATION——IF YES THEN REPLY–

        AND WHEN QUESTIONS REGARDING VEDAS ARE POSTED –DON’T DELETE IT IF U DON’T HAVE ANSWERS TO IT–TRY TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH

      • TRUEFRIEND111111 I THINK YOU HAVE NOT READ MY COMMENT PROPERLY THE LINK WHICH I HAVE GIVEN GIVE ANSWERS TO ALL YOUR QUERIES STILL IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT THEN YOU HAVE ACCEPTED ABUL KASEM AND http://www.islam-watch.org AS TRUE SOURCE OF INFORMATION AND IF YOU HAVE ACCEPTED ABUL KASEM AND http://www.islam-watch.org as TRUE then you also must have accepted Koran and Shahi Hadith as false because they are quoting from them.

        NOW WHY DIDN’T YOU TELL US WHY AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI DIDN’T DENY MUHAMMAD AS NECROPHILIC AND WHY ISLAMIC SCHOLARS ARE AFRAID TO DEBATE ZAKRIA BOTROS

        YOU TALKED ABOUT VED PRAKAASH,CHATURVEDI, AHMED PANDIT WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM WHO ARE THEY NO BODY KNOWS THEM BUT THE MOST BRILLIANT MUSLIM APJ ABDUL KALAM WHO EVERYBODY KNOWS HAS CONVERTED TO HINDUISM RECENTLY JULIA ROBERTS CONVERTED TO HINDUISM THE ONLY RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURES EINSTEIN BELIEVED WERE GITA AND VEDAS.

        WHY ZAKIR NAIK NEVER CHALLENGED RSS, VHP SCHOLARS THEY CAN EASILY GATHER CRORES OF PEOPLE, ON THEIR ONE CALL EVERY HINDU WILL COME TO ANY PLACE DOES YOUR ZAKIR ONLY DEBATE WITH YOGA OR PT TEACHER.

      • AYATOLLAH KHOMENI ALSO SAYS YOUR RELIGION IS A FAKE AND KAMSUTRA,IDOL WORSHIPPING ,PORNOGRAPHY, INCEST IS A PART OF VEDAS AND HE ADVISES TO FOLLOW HIS RELIGION SHIA..SO YOU AGREE WITH HIM AND WILL FOLLOW SHIA RELIGION NOW…

      • ZAKIR NAIK OPENLY ADMITS MUSLIMS AS DEMON WORSHIPERS AND MOHAMMAD AS A DEMON. In his Dawah and public speaking he quotes from Bhavishya Puran and definitely he must have read the whole book of Bhavishya Puran and definitely he did not find anything wrong when Bhavishya Puran states that Prophet Mohammad is Demon Tripurasura and Muslims as DEMON WORSHIPERS. ZAKIR NAIK HAS ADMITTED THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS ARE DEMON WORSHIPERS. MUSLIM CLAPPED AT HIS PUBLIC SPEAKING WHEN HE SAID PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS MENTIONED IN BHAVISHYA PURAN WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HE WANT TO TELL.

      • AYATOLLAH KHOMENI also said MOTHER OF MOMINS AYESHA DID KAMSUTRA, ,PORNOGRAPHY, INCEST WITH MOMINS LIKE ABU BAKR AND UMER AND POISONED HIS HUSBAND PROPHET MOHAMMAD AND SENT HIM TO ALLAH.

  4. Allah is human-shaped; He looks like Adam:
    Adam was shaped completely like Allah; Adam was 60 cubits (30m) in height…(Sahih Bukhari, 8.74.246)

    Volume 8, Book 74, Number 246:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    The Prophet said, “Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), “Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring.” Adam (went and) said, ‘As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).’ They replied, ‘AsSalamu-‘Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah’s Mercy be on you). So they increased ‘Wa Rahmatullah’ The Prophet added ‘So whoever will enter Paradise , will be of the shape and form of Adam. Since then the creation of Adam’s (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) to the present time.”

    In Sahih Muslim we read:

    Adam is the image of Allah… (Sahih Muslim, 32.6325)

    Book 032, Number 6325:

    This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abu Huraira and in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Ibn Hatim Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) is reported to have said: When any one of you fights with his brother, he should avoid his face for Allah created Adam in His own image.

    Allah has arms, legs and ears :
    in the Qur’an we read that Allah has eyes and ears…(42:11).

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    YUSUFALI: (He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things).

    Allah has hands; He created Adam with His own hands…(38:75, 48:10).

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    YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: “O Iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?”
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    YUSUFALI: Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to Allah: the Hand of Allah is over their hands: then any one who violates his oath, does so to the harm of his own soul, and any one who fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah,- Allah will soon grant him a great Reward.
    Allah will hold the whole earth and roll all the heavens up in his right hand…(Sahih Bukhari, 6.60.336)

    Volume 6, Book 60, Number 336:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “Allah will hold the whole earth, and roll all the heavens up in His Right Hand, and then He will say, ‘I am the King; where are the kings of the earth?”‘

    Allah has huge feet. He puts His foot over hell–fire. That’s right. Commenting on verse 50:30, Sahih Bukhari says exactly this. Let us first read verse 50:30.

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    YUSUFALI: One Day We will ask Hell, “Art thou filled to the full?” It will say, “Are there any more (to come)?”

    Here are the ahadith from Sahih Bukhari:

    50:30 Allah puts his foot over hell fire…(Sahih Bukhari, 6.60.371, 373)

    Volume 6, Book 60, Number 371:

    Narrated Anas:

    The Prophet said, “The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say: “Are there any more (to come)?’ (50.30) till Allah puts His Foot over it and it will say, ‘Qati! Qati! (Enough Enough!)'”

    Volume 6, Book 60, Number 373:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    The Prophet said, ” Paradise and the Fire (Hell) argued, and the Fire (Hell) said, “I have been given the privilege of receiving the arrogant and the tyrants.’ Paradise said, ‘What is the matter with me? Why do only the weak and the humble among the people enter me?’ On that, Allah said to Paradise . ‘You are My Mercy which I bestow on whoever I wish of my servants.’ Then Allah said to the (Hell) Fire, ‘You are my (means of) punishment by which I punish whoever I wish of my slaves. And each of you will have its fill.’ As for the Fire (Hell), it will not be filled till Allah puts His Foot over it whereupon it will say, ‘Qati! Qati!’ At that time it will be filled, and its different parts will come closer to each other; and Allah will not wrong any of His created beings. As regards Paradise , Allah will create a new creation to fill it with.”

    Muhammad was adamant that his Allah was for real; that is, Allah does have physical limbs. To strengthen his claim he compared the eye of Dajjal (anti‑Christ) to that of Allah. He claimed that Dajjal is one-eyed, but Allah is not. Here is a hadith from Sahih Bukhari:

    Dajjal is one-eyed but Allah is not…(Sahih Bukhari, 4.55.553)

    Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553:

    Narrated Ibn Umar:

    Once Allah’s Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, “l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed.”

    Sahih Muslim writes that Allah is not deaf; He can talk and listen and he is really an entity—a physical entity, to be precise, just the likes of a human being.

    Let us read this hadith from Sahih Muslim:

    Allah is not deaf or absent; the treasure of Paradise is reciting ‘there is no might and no power but that of Allah’…(Sahih Muslim, 35.6528)

    Book 035, Number 6528:

    Abu Musa reported that he (and his other companions) were climbing upon the hillock along with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and when any person climbed up, he pronounced (loudly):” There is no god but Allah, Allah is the Greatest.” Thereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Verily, you are not supplicating One Who is deaf or absent. He said: Abu Musa or Abdullah b Qais, should I not direct you to the words (which form) the treasure of Paradise ? I said: Allah’s Messenger, what are these? He said:” There is no might and no power but that of Allah.”

    Allah will shake hands. Yes, that’s correct. Allah does have arms to shake hands with the His ardent faithful followers.

    Here is a hadith from Sunann ibn Majah:

    Sunaan ibn Majah, Vol. I Hadith Nnumber 104:

    ‘Ubayy b. Ka’b (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him said, “The first person with whom Allah will shake hands (on the Day of Judgment), will be ‘Umar and he will be the first man to whom Allah will pay salutation (say: Assalamu ‘alaika) and he will be the first man whom he will hold with his Hand and make him enter the Paradise.

    Allah’s two hands are outstretched:

    This claim of Allah’s two physical hands has been recorded in the Quran:

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    YUSUFALI: The Jews say: “Allah’s hand is tied up.” Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief.

    With His own two outstretched hands Allah created Adam. Having done so, Allah was greatly dismayed that Iblis, the Satan, refrained from worshipping His own hands’ creation, Adam. The holy Qur’an confirms that Allah indeed created Adam with His own two hands.

    Let us read verse 38:75:

    PICKTHAL: He said: O Iblis! What hindereth thee from falling prostrate before that which I have created with both My hands? Art thou too proud or art thou of the high exalted?

    Not only that the holy Qur’an confirms the two physical hands for Allah, it also says that Allah will use His two outstretched hands to fold up the heavens (universe)—much like a person who folds a piece of mat or rug with his two hands. After folding up the heavens with His two outstretched hands, He will then hold them (the universe) in His right hand!

    Here is the Qur’an talking about Allah’s Hand.

    On the resurrection day, the whole earth will be within the fistful of Allah; He will fold up the heavens (universe) inside His right hand (39:67).

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    YUSUFALI: No just estimate have they made of Allah, such as is due to Him: On the Day of Judgment the whole of the earth will be but His handful, and the heavens will be rolled up in His right hand: Glory to Him! High is He above the Partners they attribute to Him!

    Verse 68:42 of the holy Qur’an says that on the resurrection day Allah will lay bare His shin for the unbelievers to prostrate; but they will fail to do so.

    Let us read verse 68:42

    YUSUFALI: The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to bow in adoration, but they shall not be able,-

    A hadith in Sahih Bukhari says that Allah will, indeed, open His Shin to the unbelievers. This hadith is very long; I shall quote only the relevant part:

    Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:

    Narrated Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri:

    …Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, ‘I am your Lord,’ and they will say, ‘You are not our Lord.’ And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, ‘Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?’ They will say. ‘The Shin,’ and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation. These people will try to prostrate but their backs will be rigid like one piece of a wood (and they will not be able to prostrate). Then the bridge will be laid across Hell.” We, the companions of the Prophet said, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is the bridge?…

    The above hadith says quite unmistakably that on the Resurrection Day there will be no problem in seeing Allah in His physical form; He will be recognized by His shin.

    Allah has a very noble, handsome face:
    Let us read verse 55:26–27.

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    YUSUFALI: All that is on earth will perish:
    055.027
    YUSUFALI: But will abide (for ever) the Face of thy Lord,- full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.

    Let us read another verse. This verse confirms that Allah holds His bounties in His hand.

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    YUSUFALI: “And believe no one unless he follows your religion.” Say: “True guidance is the Guidance of Allah: (Fear ye) Lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) Like unto that which was sent unto you? or that those (Receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?” Say: “All bounties are in the hand of Allah: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: And Allah careth for all, and He knoweth all things.”

    Allah is seated on a Throne with His angels guarding Him.
    When we read the Qur’an describing the attributes of Allah, we are amazed that Muhammad had taken extreme care to describe his Allah. He compared Allah to a human king—just like the kings in many countries, seated on a huge throne and conducting His affairs from this throne (more on Allah’s throne in a later part of this essay). The Qur’an even tells us that Allah created His throne and then He walked to it and rose over it to take His seat. Read the following verses from the Qur’an.

    Allah created the heavens (first) and (then) the earth in six days then he rose over His throne…7:54

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    YUSUFALI: Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o’er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!

    Allah created the heavens (first) and (then) the earth in six days and (then) He firmly established himself on His throne (i.e. He moved to His throne from somewhere else)…57:4

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    YUSUFALI: He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do.

    The angels (eight) will be by the side of Allah’s throne (octagonal in shape?) …69:17

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    YUSUFALI: And the angels will be on its sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the Throne of thy Lord above them.

    Witnessing a physical Allah is as certain as the observation of the sun and the moon.

    There are many ahadith which tell us very clearly that Allah is a visible being, though one has to die to see Allah. Here are summaries of a few such ahadith. Readers are requested to verify these ahadith either with the online version of these ahadith or with the print version. Please note that there is no online version of Ibn Majah (or at least, I am yet to see one) and not all ahadith of Sunaan Abu Dawud are available on line. These ahadith, I have quoted in full.

    On the resurrection day you will see Allah like you see the sun or the moon on a clear sky …(Sahih Bukhari, 6.60.105)

    People will see Allah like a moon…(Sahih Bukhari, 9.93.529)

    Background to 50:39: when Muhammad looked at the full moon and said that you would see Allah just like you see the full moon…(Sahih Bukhari, 1.10.529, 547)

    You will see Allah as clearly as you see the moon and the sun; hooks will be used to punish the unbelievers; Muhammad, along with his followers will be the first to cross the bridge of hell; some sinners will stay in hell temporarily, some forever … (Sahih Bukhari, 1.12.770)

    Sunaan ibn Majah, volume 1, hadith number 178

    Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Do you crowd (and push one another) to see the moon of the night of the full moon?” they (the audience) said, “No,” whereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said, “Similarly, you will not crowd to see your Lord on the Day of Resurrection.”

    • Agaian all lies…Quran clearly says verese 112:
      ALLAHU AHAD —ALLAH is ONE.
      ALLAHUs SAMAD – -ALLAH IS ETERNAL.
      LAM YALID WALAMYULAD — HE BEGETHS NOT NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN.
      WALAM YAKULLAHU KUFUWAN AHAD.. THERE IS NONE LIKE HIM..

      • QURAN IS NOT A LIE ITS A TRUE BOOK OF EESHWAR WHICH IS READ BY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE..
        YOUR VEDAS ARE REJECTED BY YOUR OWN PEOPLE..90 CRORES OF HINDUS DO NOT FOLLOW VEDAS AND YOU CLAIM ITS A RELIGION OF EESHWAR . I FEEL SAD FOR YOU PEOPLE AS YOUR OWN PEOPLE DO NOT FOLLOW YOU AND YOU ARE IN HIDING…

        VEDAS ARE HISTORY…

    • @OM JAI JAGDISH @VAJRA

      I REALL THANY YOU FOR SUCH AN RESEARCH—ACTUALLY IT WAS DONE TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE HADITH WHICH CONTRADICTS WITH QURAN

      AND WE MUSLIM’S KNOW—-SO WHENEVER WE–TELL TO READ HADITH WE SAY AS FOLLOW SAHIH HADITH

      AND HADEES IS A BOOK WHICH IS AN CLOLLECTION OF THOUSANDS OF HADITHS——-A

      AND THAT HADITH ARE FURHTER CLASSIFIED AS—SAHIH,WEAK,WAHID,ETC

      AS QURAN IS THE WORD OF GOD–U CAN QUOTE ANY STATEMENT WITH CONTEXT–WE WILL ANSWER—AND FROM HADITH WHICH IS SAID AS SAHIH

      SEE @VAJRA THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HADITH AND QURAN—–HADITH WHICH CONTRADICT WITH QURAN ARE REGARDED AS WEAK HADITH

    • I shall describe the Islamic Paradise or Jannat which was invented by Prophet Mohammed to bribe the Arabs into committing hedious crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn’t obtain in the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.

      To prove my point I have taken verses from the Koran and quotes from the Hadiths.

      VIRGINS (HOURIS)

      Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his “high” opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with ‘Houris’ (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

      The relevant verses from the Koran are:

      Koran 78:31
      As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

      Koran 37:40-48
      …They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

      Koran 44:51-55
      …Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

      Koran 52:17-20
      …They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them…

      Koran 55:56-57
      In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?”

      Koran 55:57-58
      Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?”

      Koran 56:7-40
      …We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. “

      Koran 55:70-77
      “In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair… Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..

      In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.

      • @OM JAI JAGDISH

        WHAT THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE SEXUAL PARTNERS IN HEAVEN AS QURAN SAYS–

        U FATHER AND MOTHER WERE MARRIED AND HAD SEXUAL RELATIONS THEN U WERE BORN——–

        –IT IS COMMON——-SO IS THE CASE WITH EVERYONE THAT EVERYONE HAS SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP ON THE EARTH

        SO IF IN PARADISE IF THERE ARE SEXUAL PARTNERS THEN WHY DO FEEL ASHAMED OR BLASPHEME

        —————–I THINK U DON’T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL PARTNERS——————————

        BUT THERE ARE GOOD DOCTORS WHER U CAN SHOW URSELF IF U DON’T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL PARTNERS

        —————WHAT ABOUT VEDAS PORNOGRAPHY–THAT TOO ON EARTH AND PARADISE—–
        Incest : The Father Commits Incest With His DaughterThis is a concept of creation which appears in Rig-Veda and remains through later Hindu mythology. It contains an idea of primeval Incest. Explicitly there is no single hymn which tells this story, but references are scattered around to give a summary of the incestuous event. This story never actually tells the name of the father and the daughter .Let’s read the Rid-Vedic hymns about this incest act of creation.
        From the Rig-Veda 10.61.5-7, 1.71.5 , 1.71.8 , 1.164.33
        When you will look for the Verses 5-7 in Rig-Veda book 10 hymn 61 present online-to hide reality , but truth cannot be hidden as we will be providing you with the translated verses.
        Rig-Veda 10.61.5-7, 1.71.5 , 1.71.8 , 1.164.33
        As his penis was stretched out in eagerness for the act of a man, the manly one pulled back. He drew back again from the maiden, his daughter, that tireless phallus which had been thrust in. As they were in the midst of the very act of union, when the father was satisfying his desire for the younger girl, the two of them left a little of the out-flowing seed shed upon the back of the earth in the womb of good deeds. When the father shed his seed in his own daughter, he split his seed on the earth as he united with her. The benevolent gods created sacred speech and fashioned Rudra Vastospati, the protector of sacred rites….. As Agni made the seed for the great father, heaven , he entered into the womb, having noticed that she was inclined to him. The hunter shot an arrow at him boldly. The god satisfied his lust in his own daughter….As the heat of passion came to the king for his enjoyment, heaven laid aside on the ground the seed that had been spilt. Agni caused to be born the blameless benevolent group of youth and made them great…. Heaven is my father, the engenderer, the navel here. My mother is this wide earth , my close kin , Between these two outstretched bowls is the womb (it is translated as womb literally Vagina-yoni ) in it the father placed his daughter’s embryo. [Translated by Wendy Doniger in her Book Hindu Myths on page 26 )
        Rig Veda 1.116.19 The Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who is their sister
        Rig Veda 1.91.7 Agni is the son of his father and his sister
        “After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: ‘O Horse, i extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception’” – Yajur Veda 23/20.
        The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu(priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: “This horse may release semen in me.” -Yajur Veda 23/20.

      • It is the X rated paradise of Islam which mohammad created to attarct pervents like you.
        ISLAMIC HEAVEN IS NOTHING BUT A BIG BROTHEL.

        AND DO NOT PROVIDE GRIFITH TRANSLATION.

      • //BUT THERE ARE GOOD DOCTORS WHER U CAN SHOW URSELF IF U DON’T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL PARTNERS//

        BUT 72 PROSTITUTES FOR EVER LASTING LIFE????????????????????

        Brain washed like you can believe in such fairy tales

      • I think vajra,agniveer,om jai jagdis,lkaafir 786 , indian agnostic do not like to have sex.. so i wonder how do they satify their sexual desire??may be they have brought sex toys and they help each other
        in sodomy..
        How these people population increases; their wives take the help of other men to get themselves satisfied . so these people marry and their wives take the help of other men to get fucked and impregnate them…

        keep it up … let other men enjoy your wives..

      • @Muinz

        There is an essential difference between a sex driven beast and human love making.

        what @muinz’s is allowed to do by his book falls under the beast sex category ..ever seen chimps taking over a harem violently ..and killing the babies ?

        this is what you are taught:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3amUhalXd8

        you would not understand the difference between love making and sex ..you have not evolved as yet 🙂

      • Hey they are your ancestors…Nice to see you people after all you people were jumping on this site too..
        nice to meet you all.

      • @Muinz ..while science says that these are everybody’s ancestors …and it can be debated.

        the one thing which cannot be debated that your hadits clearly states that your prophet and sahabas were not an iota different from these marauding primates

        the above video could be titled ..the raid of the prophet on Bani Mustaliq

        http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4292
        Book 019, Number 4292:
        Ibn ‘Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi’ inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before m”. ing them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The MESSENGER OF ALLAH (may peace be upon him) MADE A RAID upon Banu Mustaliq WHILE THEY WERE UNAWARE and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. ON THAT VERY DAY, HE CAPTURED JUWAIRIYA bint al-Harith. Nafi’ said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.

  7. What vedas say..THE REAL STPIDITY OF EESHWAR AS PER VEDAS..

    Rig-Veda , Book Number 10 , Hymn Number 90 known as Purusa.

    1. A THOUSAND heads hath Purusa, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet.
    On every side pervading earth he fills a space ten fingers wide.

    2 This Purusa is all that yet hath been and all that is to be;
    The Lord of Immortality which waxes greater still by food.

    3 So mighty is his greatness; yea, greater than this is Purusa.
    All creatures are one-fourth of him, three-fourths eternal life in heaven.

    4 With three-fourths Purusa went up: one-fourth of him again was here.
    Thence he strode out to every side over what cats not and what cats.

    5 From him Viraj was born; again Purusa from Viraj was born.
    As soon as he was born he spread eastward and westward o’er the earth.

    6 When Gods prepared the sacrifice with Purusa as their offering,
    Its oil was spring, the holy gift was autumn; summer was the wood.

    7 They balmed as victim on the grass Purusa born in earliest time.
    With him the Deities and all Sadhyas and ??is sacrificed.

    8 From that great general sacrifice the dripping fat was gathered up.
    He formed the creatures of-the air, and animals both wild and tame.

    9 From that great general sacrifice ?cas and S?ma-hymns were born:
    Therefrom were spells and charms produced; the Yajus had its birth from it.

    10 From it were horses born, from it all cattle with two rows of teeth:
    From it were generated kine, from it the goats and sheep were born.

    11 When they divided Purusa how many portions did they make?
    What do they call his mouth, his arms? What do they call his thighs and feet?

    12 The Brahman was his mouth, of both his arms was the Rajanya (Warriors = ksatriyas) made.
    His thighs became the Vaisya, from his feet the shudra was produced.

    13 The Moon was born from his mind, and from his eye the Sun had birth;
    Indra and Agni from his mouth were born, and Vayu from his breath.

    14 From from his navel came mid-air the sky was fashioned from his head
    Earth from his feet, and from his car the regions. Thus they formed the worlds.

    15 Seven fencing-sticks had he, thrice seven layers of fuel were prepared,
    When the Gods, offering sacrifice, bound, as their victim, Puru?a.

    16 Gods, sacrificing, sacrificed the victim these were the earliest holy ordinances.
    The Mighty Ones attained the height of heaven, there where the Sadhyas, Gods of old, are dwelling.

    [Translation taken from Wendy Doniger’s Book Rigveda : An Anthopology ]

    This literally is the great sciences of Hinduism on Creation , as we said earlier their are many more stories regarding Creation in the Rig-Veda , one of them Holds that Creation came into existence due to Incest between father and daughter. We will be discussing it also in future on truthofhinduism.com .

    Those Hindu fanatics like Agniveer who are keen on saying their is no caste system in Vedas , might have forgotten to read verse no 12 of this Hymn which clearly shows that Shudra are born from feet , severe discrimination.

    Now look at verses from number 10 which gives a broader view of Creation according to Rig Veda. Lets summarize this in points.

    1. The horses , all cattle , kine, goats, sheep and all animals are born from this sacrifice of the primeval man.

    2. The moon is born from his mind, sun is born from his eyes , Indra & agni (two of vedic gods) came from his mouth and from his breath wind (vayu) was born . Can you believe these fantasy stories of creation in Vedas , moreover some fanatics (agniveer) say their are no stories in Hinduism. This is simply against the established theory of science on creation attributed as Big Bang.

    3. From the Navel of this Man came the space , from his head the sky was evolved , from his feet earth was generated and quarters of sky from his ear. The verse at last says ” thus they set the worlds in order ” , they is being referred to the Gods. You have to Digest this fantasy story that the supreme gods did this to create this universe, they had to sacrifice a primeval man , How foolish is this , you need to think.

    In future we will be looking at more creation stories in the Vedas .

    May truth prevail as Allah says in the Quran , falsehood will always perish as it is bound to be perished.

  8. wOMAN STATUS IN vedas..
    Taking cue from the ‘Vedas’ authors of subsequent religious scriptures referred to women in more contemptuous form.

    ‘Sati pratha’ (custom of burning the widow with the body of her husband), ‘
    Dasi Pratha’ (keeping the slave girls), ‘
    Niyog Pratha’ (ancient aryan custom of childless widow or women having sexual intercoutrse with a man other than husband to beget child), were among cruel customa responsible for the plight of the women.

    Naturally, seeking shelter under such religious sanctions, unscrupulous women disgraced women to the maximuim possible extent and made them means of satisfying their lust.

  9. STUPIDITY OF vedas..

    No one wanted a daughter :
    As a result; female infant came to be considered unwanted. No one wanted a daughter. Everyone was interested in having a son. The birth of the son was celebrated, but the birth of the daughter plunged family into gloom.

    This attitude still persists, even though certain other customs have undergone changes.

    ‘Rig Veda’ itself says that a women should beget sons. The newly married wife is blessed so that she could have 10 sons.

    So much so, that for begetting a son, ‘Vedas’ prescribe a special ritual called ‘Punsawan sanskar’ (a ceremony performed during third month of pregnancy). During the ceremony it is prayed:

    “Almighty God, you have created this womb. Women may be born somewhere else but sons should be born from this womb” – Atharva Ved 6/11/3

    “O Husband protect the son to be born. Do not make him a women” – Atharva Ved 2/3/23

    In ‘Shatpath Puran (shatpath Brahman)’ a sonless women has been termed as unfortunate.

    ‘Rig Veda’ censures women by saying:

    “Lord Indra himself has said that women has very little intelligence. She cannot be thaught” – Rig Ved 8/33/17

    At another place it is written:

    “There cannot be any friendship with a women. Her heart is more cruel than heyna” – Rig Ved 10/95/15.

    ‘Yajur Ved (Taitriya Sanhita)’m- “Womns code says that the women are withouth energy. They should not get a share in property. Even to the wicked they speak in feeble manner” – Yajur Ved 6/5/8/2

    Shatpath Puran, preachings of the ‘Yajur Veda’ clubs women, ‘shudras’ (untouchables), doga, crows together and says falsehood, sin and gloom remain integrated in them. (14/1/1/31)

    In ‘Aiterey Puran’, preaching of the ‘Rig Veda’ in harsih chandra -Narad dialogue, Narad says:

    “The daughter causes pain”

  10. Stupidity of Vedas..
    Women sex object in Vedas..

    Adultery and Fornication:
    Intercourse withouth marriage

    A slave girl was called ‘Vadhu’ (wife), with whom sexual intercourse could be performed witouth any kind of marriage ceremony.

    These girls belonged to the men who snatched them from the enemies, or who had received them in dowry, or as gifts. Only the men to whom they belonged could have sexual intercourse with them.

    But some slave girls were kept as joint property of the tribe or the village. Any man could have sexual rlations with them. These girls became the prostitutes.

    The ‘Vedas’ also talk about ‘Niyog’, the custom of childless, widow or woman having sexual intercourse with a person other than her husband to beget a child.

    In simple words ‘Niyog’ means sending a married woman or a widow to a particular man for sexual intercourse so that she gets a son. Indication of this custom is available in ‘Rig Veda’

    In ‘Aadiparva’ of ‘Mahabharata’ (chap. 95 and 103), it is mentioned that Satywati had appointed her son to bestow sons to the queens of Vichitrvirya, the younger brother of Bhishma, as a result of which Dhratrashtra and Pandu were born.

    Pandu himself has asked his wife, Kunti, to have sexual intercourse with a brahmin to get a son (Aadi Parva, chapters 120 to 123).

  11. why hindus do not follow vedas??/why hindus are more interesetd in learning English then Sanskrit.
    why hindus are interested in reading novel and harry porter books then vedas.

    becoz of STUPIDITY OF VEDAS and its teaching..

    ISLAM-MEVA-JAYATE…

  12. Muinz, great analysis and befitting replies to false allegations from Agniveer. Keep up good job. Brother zakir always brings commonalities between religions to bring Hindus & Muslims together but Agniveer due to envy with Zakir bhai, does the reverse and trying to bring hatred & division between Hindu brothers and Muslims & defame zakir. I am sure even if Zakir debates, Agniveer will with his violent, poisonous, heinous mentality will only bring deviation & rifts between followers of two religion. You have exposed about vedas that not even the followers of vedas know. I know ur intention is not to hurt our other hindu brothers, you are only trying to counter argue with the new god of hinduism i.e. Agniveer for his false allegations that he is picking up from anti-islam websites.

    • @Person

      you are the one who has the most disgusting and anti-humanity posts on this site

      you just forgot that they are permanent posts.

      Zakir is a banned wahhabi hate preacher and his support for terrorists, his holding the view for killing of people who leave the cult of Islam and his saudi funded Islamic View of not allowing any other religion to co-exist in muslim majority regions is on YOUTUBE for everybody to see.

      Agniveer is trying to bring our sane and educated muslims and hindus to the original path of dharma ..which is every Indian’s right to know.

      And i am sure that the Agniveer team would not let some foriegn funded jihadi preacher to have a free run selling his fake quran based on fake hadits.

      for the moderate muslim to reclaim the original Muhammad & Quran ..the arab wahhabis and their puppets like Zakir bjhai MBBS have to be disowned by them …and thankfully many of them are realizing this now.

      The political ambitions of Uthmans and Umars and the sheikhs of Saudi will never come true ..not in India by any chance ..We were,are and will remain superior to those dabka dancers as long as we are on the path of human compassion and unity

  14. Being a hindu i dont agree wid u on so many points, its not that i disagree coz i am a muslims or a christian but u have failed to give the proper answer to all the questions mate, the problem wid we hindus are that we dont have a deep insight to our own religion, honestly its hard explaining hinduism to other people but we can wid a deep knowledge involved

  16. CONTRADICTION ABOUT HISTORY OF VEDA:

    We can never saw a unity about Veda by Veda pundit. That how many branches and how many verses contain each branch? Some of them include below

    Rig-Veda

    1) 21 branches (dyananda saraswathy)
    2) 61 braches (skanthaka puran)
    3) Veda pundit hasn’t unity that how many verses and its branches?
    4) We can never found the orginal verses today from part of rig veda like mudgal shaga,shalva shaga,shliya shaga,valsia shaga,shishri shaga,boudhya shaga,agnimadara shaga,parashara shaga,jathu karnya shaga,ashwalayana shaga,shangayana shagakowshithaki shaka.

    Which is true?
    What a Hindu follow from it?
    How can we say that the existing verses divine?
    How can the verses or branches of Veda missed?

    Adarva veda

    1) 150 branches (mukthiko upanishid)
    2) 86 branches (charanya vyuha)
    3) 101(pathnjali)
    4) But we can only get the verses from five branches, what happened to the rest of them?
    5) Today contradiction is there in different Veda pundit even the number of ‘mantra’.Narendra bushan says
    1500 mantra (Narendra bushan: history of vidika sahithya page 99) and parameswer says 1900 mantra (Parmeswar pilla: introduction to Hindu dharma page 182)

    How many branch us believed?
    Who hide the manthra?

    ——————————————————————————–

    Sama veda

    1) Different opinion is there in the branches of sama Veda (1000,1065,1080)
    2) Today Only three branches available (koudamiyam,ranayaniyam,jimaniyam)
    what happened to the rest of them?

    Adarv veda

    1) what hapend to the braches of adarv veda (thowdam,moudam,jajakam,jaladam,brahma padam,deva dhrshnam)

    2) contradiction is there in the number of mantra(5987 or 6000)

    The description from the Veda we can understand the following things:

    1) Most of the verses we can’t saw who the person god introduced it?

    2) Today the contradiction exist the creator of Veda. Branches of Veda and number of mantra in available in each branches.

    3) Today The Veda related…

  17. The description from the Veda we can understand the following things:

    1) Most of the verses we can’t saw who the person god introduced it?

    2) Today the contradiction exist the creator of Veda. Branches of Veda and number of mantra in available in each branches.

    3) Today The Veda related scripture never available, so
    How can we say that Veda completed (sampurna) and contains all the knowledge?

    4) We can saw different superstition from the Veda that people believed in the period of Veda. It indicate people life Influence the verses. (Rig-Veda mandalam 1:50, 10:40, saptha kandam 76:1-5, adarva Veda yekonavimsha 9:10).

    5) From the Veda we can understand that by mantra, yanjna, yaga, puja we can controlled by nature, devans and even gods, that indicated that the weak knowledge of Veda pundits from the period of Veda.

    • @Shabeer (Basic Differences between Veda & Kuran)
      1. Veda preach God is one & all-powerful does not require help of any prophet to maintain his creation but Kuran preach God is not all-powerful & require prophet’s help.
      2. Veda preach we should not worship any human or recited humans name in God’s prayer but Kuran preach we should worship/recited human name in God prayer.
      3. Veda preach we should not bow head before any stone, & God is omnipresent, you need not to follow rituals, God is everywhere but Kuran preach we should bow head before stone Kaba & Allah is limited to just his throne on 7th sky.
      4. Veda preach we should not kill any innocent, who is not doing harm of anyone. If some ignorance/superstitions like bowing head before any stone like Kaba, or any other idol have taken place in society need to be removed through spread of Veda knowledge, not by killing them but Kuran preach kill the idolater/polytheist.
      5.Veda preach we should not kill beneficial animals like cow, Bull, goat, buffalo, dog etc for tongue test but Kuran preach kill the animals for tongue test.
      6. Veda preach incest is a greatest sin we should not sex with our sisters. But unfortunately fake Islam is promoting concept of sex with sister by supporting fake stories of Aadam & Eve.
      7. Veda preach Allah creates thousand of men & women in the inception of universe, does not force anyone for incest but But Kuran support incest ideology.
      8. Veda preach Allah knowledge is eternal & perfect, there is no change in his knowledge. Allah never sends different scripture but Kuran preach Allah is changeable & moody person.
      9. Veda preach you do not need to go on 7th sky in search of Allah like fool Mohamad, but Allah is within you. By meditation/Yoga you can realize him. kabir Das also says: Moko Kaha Dunde Bande, Mai to tere pass mai.(Where are u searching me, I am within you.)
      10. Veda preach cycle of universe creation/destruction eternal There are many universe creation have taken place before this creation. Allah never sited idly as…

      • Continued
        Kuran says Allah was sited idly before this universe creation & he suddenly got the idea of universe creation.
        11. Veda Preach there is no eternal hell or heaven. Because result of limited/finite deed can not be infinite.
        12. Veda preach God is impartial & just. He gives you birth as per your previous birth deeds.
        13. Veda preach whenever you realize God/achieved God, there remains nothing to be achieved. God himself all bliss full. No requirement of heaven’s hoors to get enjoyment. Vedic God never depends on hoors to give enjoyment to his devotee.
        14. Veda preach we should not sex with children like fool Mohamad, this is greatest sin of mankind. There is a death sentence for this heinous crime. Fortunately Mohmad was not borne in Vedic period.
        15. Veda preach we should have the same feeling for the others as we think for ourselves. suppose If I expect faithfulness/loyalty from wife, I also should not have a lustful look towards other women but feeling of sisters for them. But Kuran is against this ideology.

      • @Truth Seeker

        “1. Veda preach God is one & all-powerful does not require help of any prophet to maintain his creation but Kuran preach God is not all-powerful & require prophet’s help.”

        “Veda preach you do not need to go on 7th sky in search of Allah like fool Mohamad, but Allah is within you. By meditation/Yoga you can realize him. kabir Das also says: Moko Kaha Dunde Bande, Mai to tere pass mai.(Where are u searching me, I am within you.)”

        What @ Rishis then? Where do they drop from sky? Where do they got knowledge from? So God only speaks sanskrit
        how come Vedas written in Sanskrit and how does Rishis learn Sanskrit. please explain in details further.

      • @hey
        ___________What @ Rishis then? Where do they drop from sky? Where do they got knowledge from? So God only speaks sanskrit
        how come Vedas written in Sanskrit and how does Rishis learn Sanskrit. please explain in details further______________
        Response
        Click on link Read this attentively
        http://vedmandir.com/node/98

      • who says that ” God is not all-powerful & require prophet’s help.”
        can you prove with evidence?

        evidence from Veda support polytheism

        VEDA PROMOTES WORSHIPING NATURAL POWERS:
        1) Agni

        Support to pray to sun:

        “Oh! thejomaya! You create ever existed sun; you give the light for human, oh! Jothirmaya! You are the light of human. We declare you are superior, please give the peace, please give me the power” (Rig-Veda 10:150:5)

        Like (Rig-Veda 10:70:17-10:7:4, 28 – 7:15:2- 4:1:9-31:7- 3:5:1-10:37:4)

        The most of the above verses introduce Agni become a god, but we can saw Agni the mediator between human and divan’s from Rig-Veda 10:7:4

        Its came from the fear of fire (Rig-Veda 2:4:15-18)

        2) Sun and Light

        Veda explains the power and characteristics of sun and light (Rig-Veda 1:92:14)

        Promote pray to sun:

        “Hai! Sun! You remove the dark and spread the light; from your light you remove our starvation, selfishness, knowledge, nightmare and all pain,” (Rig-Veda 10:37:4)

        3) soma(alcohol)

        Veda introduce soma the powerful alcohol (Rig-Veda 8:48 36.)

        Detail description about after effect of soma (shukla yejur veda shabada brahmana 7:3:2:1-3)

        Veda describes how to prepare powerful soma (shukla yejur veda shabada brahmana 12:8:2:8-10)

        Indran drinks alcohol, effect of alcohol he killed the innocent vrithyan (Rig-Veda 2:15:4)

        But we can saw the same Veda promoting soma as a god:

        “Soma raja and varuna, all the karma belong to you. Your glory was powerful and expandable .soma like mithra and sun “(Rig-Veda 1:91:17.)

        “King soma! God, please protect us from the self desire, you and like your are eternal “
        “Soma common and receive our puja and yoga, please give us better life “

        “Soma! Increase our economic status, relief our pain, give us the whelth, make us good people” (Rig-Veda 1:91)

        Historian criticize how Hindu belief of natural power as god?
        · Whitny: Journel of American Oriental Society-iii:292.)
        · Dr. S. Radhakrishnan: Indian Philosophy Vol I page 62.)
        · H.D…

  18. we never believe Allah every were.he told to his quran ,he above the 7th sky.but his power exiting each atom to entire universe.

    quran never says kill the idolater
    read……
    http://agniveer.com/forum/Thread-The-Qur-an-And-Non-Muslims

    what you eat today,some vegetable ,yes? is it non-living?

    thousand of year all the people(christian,muslim,jew,93% of hindu,etc) eat meat,any things hap-end to them?
    modern doctor says,we must ete,meat,fish,egg
    which world are you lived?

    only 5%of brahmin never eat meat.
    (my wedding day 100 of brahmin attend the party(me and my father friends) only 10 of them eat vegetarian,rest of them eat meat….
    )
    who believe your impracticable story?

    • @shabeer,
      >> only 5%of brahmin never eat meat.
      Those are not brahmins then, a brahmin is by nature not by birth.
      >>thousand of year all the people(christian,muslim,jew,93% of hindu,etc) eat meat,any things hap-end to them?
      Thousands of years we are doing idolatory any thing happened to us?
      >>what you eat today,some vegetable ,yes? is it non-living?
      Then why are you sparing some animals eat them too?
      Eating vegetables/fruits which dont kill the tree or eating vegetables which are not perennial is not harmful to the plants.
      >>we never believe Allah every were.he told to his quran ,he above the 7th sky.
      Yes he is a gas confined to a chamber in 7th heaven.
      >>but his power exiting each atom to entire universe.
      He cant even control satan, what use of boasting about his non existing powers

      >>quran never says kill the idolater
      It says punishment for atheists(they deny god), christians ( as they dont believe prophethood of muhammad) , hindus(they take midway and do not give any importance to either moses or muhammad)
      Foolish judge called allah punishing a person for his beliefs rather than a persons deeds, what more do you expect from a tribal god, all prejudices of their tribal mind will be attributed to god.

      >>regarding worship of nature
      Yes we worship gods power to sustain the mankind, HE as surya is the sole cause of all life forms on earth, HE as digestive power in our body is the maintainer of life, What is wrong in prasing HIM?
      Even by atheist standard it is better to praise nature rather than to believe in 7th heaven gas.

      • Thousands of years we are doing idolatory any thing happened to us?
        i says there health condition,not un-physical things my brother.
        so u suport idolatory,that menas u r not the member of arya samaj.2 moth i serching this site i can’t find the non-araya samaj member.ok lot of question u have to answer here about upanishid,aranya,brahmana,bagavath geetha,purana and ethihasa, r u ready?

        He cant even control satan, what use of boasting about his non existing powers.
        100 replay to this questions to u’r friends.he create satan,for tesing human,whether who is being ideal or not,at the end of day,god capture him and put to the hell,with his friends.

      • @shabeer
        >>so u suport idolatory,that means u r not the member of arya samaj
        I dont support or oppose idolatory.
        It is just an answer to your meaningless statement arguing that millions eat meat…nothing bad happened.
        Nothing bad happens even if people do idolatory, idol is less harmful than red meat which you crave for.

        >>he create satan,for tesing human,whether who is being ideal or not,at the end of day,god capture him and put to the hell,with his friends.
        What test? Why should god create and test? Can I test god? God himself never took any test why shall i take any test?
        Cruel god punishing persons for infinite time just because a person has committed crime once or twice in his hundred year life span. To hell with such type of hypocrite god. I will better not live in such a persons company.

      • @Shabeer

        Just one query

        What was Allah doing before this universe creation? What suddenly happened to Allah he got the idea of universe creation? Please answer me of this & please remember do not copy paste or write lengthy in response of this simple question.

      • @Shabber
        What is mean of idolatry? I think bowing before a limited things which can be measured is idolatry. Then, Why Muslim bow head before Kaba becuase Kaba is the biggest idol of world & why do you kiss black stone? Please answer me just to the point, do not copy paste.

  19. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTRADICTION IN QURAN IS THAT IT STATES IT IS PURELY ARABIC IN NATURE BUT THE WORD “SURAH” ITSELF IS NON-ARABIC SYRIAN WORD.

    It was said that the quran was written is a clear Arabic tongue.

    “We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran” Joseph chapter (Surat Yusuf) 2

    Actually there are 9 quran verses saying that the quran was written is a clear Arabic
    tongue.

    As in the chapters of: Joseph (Surat Yusuf), Ta-Ha (Surat Ta-Ha), the bees (Surat An-Nahl), The Poets (Surat Ash-Shu’ara’), distinguished (Surat Fussilat), Consultation (Surat Ash-Shura), The Gold Adornments (Surat Az-Zukhruf), The Curved Sand-hills (Surat Al-Ahqaf) and The Groups, (Surat Az-Zumar) All The annotators are saying that “a clear Arabic tongue” means the most fluent Arabic tongue

    It was found that the quran contained 275 non-Arabic words, intruded into the quran from
    foreign languages present at that time.

    The Islamic encyclopedia, part 26, and page 8222, 8223 said:” the annotators found no
    embarrassment to commit that there are many non- Arabic words intruded into the quran
    text from languages as: Hebrew, Indian, Persian, Ethiopian, Barbarian, Romanian, Coptic,
    Greek, and Syrian”

    In “the relic” book narrated Ibn Abbas:” they were showing a great interest in the origin
    of those words and their meanings”

    Al-Syouty, in his book “the perfection in quran’ sciences” wrote a special chapter for
    those big number of foreign non-Arabic words saying that there are 275 non Arabic
    words in the quran, and those words can’t be connected by any mean to the Arabic
    language.

    Al- Motawakely also made a special study on those words.

    Another study was made by Sheikh Ibrahim Al-Ibiary in his book “history making of the
    quran” Ta’rikh Al-Quran” published in Cairo in 1981 by the house of Arabic book
    Of these words:

    – “Tafaq’a ” is a Romanian word means” intended to do”, as in The Heights chapter
    (Surat Al-A’raf) 22.
    – “Al-toar “is a Syrian word means “the mountain”, as in the Cow chapter (Surat Al-
    Baqarah)…

  20. Origin of a Genocidal Religion and its effects
    ————————————————————————
    It is true that the ancient Hebrews invented Religious Genocide, which is the killing of other peoples for having a different religion than the killers’ own. They did this by murdering the priestesses and priests of the competing deities worshiped within their own population, then the competing clergy of all the local tribes. For good measure, they also killed the conquered tribe’s adults and boys, keeping only the little girls whom they could then rape and brainwash into the new religion of Yahweh-ism and their new roles as slaves to men (“Old Testament” is filled with plenty of examples). Jeremiah and his revisionist followers did their worst to remove the evidence of Yahweh’s wife Tiamat, and demoted the other deities to “Angels.” The history of what then became known as Judaism is, if we are to believe the Biblical tales, in large part one of sanctimonious religious terrorism — practiced right up to the time when their weapons were physically taken away from them. Islam & Christianity are offspring of a Genocidal Religion continue to doing the similar bad things forever to the mankind.

  21. adolf traped:
    what u says we can pray to natural power,is it.

    answer one by one the following,don’t miss any veres,is it?

    lets start.

    1) According to Hindu Veda who created the universe?

    One god was the reason for all the creation. His existence was above the sky (hrid Veda 10:129:1,-2 – 0:129:6, 7)

    First of all hernias (one god) only existing here, he create all things in our universe. Universe follows his rules and regulation. he has many sense organ, he saw all the things alone (hrid Veda 10:121:1) (Shwethashathora Upanishad 3:3,4)

    What are the basic things of creation of this universe? .one god creates universe by his own power (shuklaya yejur Veda 17:-18)

    All the Planet and all the stars are depends to one god (Adarva Veda 13:-5 to 22)
    He (one god) created and protects universe, earth, sky and space between sky and earth (Adarva Veda 7:26:4)

    Movement of air, sun rises, fire and all things are due to his power (Shwethashathora Upanishath 2:8:1) (Mundako Upanishath 2:2:11)

    He controlled the entire world, he is alone. He (Greatness) looking (Vivacious) his creation (hrid Veda 8:25:16) (Shwethashathora Upanishath 16:17)

    • @shabeer,
      >> One god was the reason for all the creation. His existence was above the sky.
      Give me the correct sloka, dont copy paste from some sites.
      God in hinduism never confined to a place. He is said to be beyond universe and also said to be every where, which actually means we should not make any assumptions that he is limited to one place.
      Please see the meaning of a description of – Brahmanda vyapta dEhaa

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      • contradiction about your comments

        first u says i pray to sun(it any relation with below statement)

        second u says “God in hinduism never confined to a place. He is said to be beyond universe and also said to be every where, which actually means we should not make any assumptions that he is limited to one place.”

      • When we offer salutations to the sun, we offer gratitude to that source of energy that has made life on earth possible. So, you have to understand things in a proper context. And yes, do not forget the sun is not bereft of the universal consciousness that is all-pervading. And also teach yourself about the difference between devis and devatas and paramatma.

      • @shabeer
        __________second u says “God in hinduism never confined to a place. He is said to be beyond universe and also said to be every where, which actually means we should not make any assumptions that he is limited to one place.”____________

        God is everywhere means God is different/separate from all. Like as I say Shabeer shirt is not shabeer because shirt is separate from Shabeer. & in same sense like Shabber lives in a house but house is different from Shabeer, you can not say house is shabeer As God is omnipresent, God is even within you but God is different from you. For more ex. Fish lives in water/pond but fish is different from water, you can not say water is fish or fish is water both are separate. Thus, God is everywhere but different from nature & souls.

      • that means the follwing veres are wrong?

        One god creates all the matters in our universe, Deity, paradise and earth. He is the source of all the good things so we pray to him only.
        (Rig-Veda 10:-81:-1.)

        is it?

      • @shabeer
        If you read my comments all i said is “HE as surya is the sole cause of all life forms on earth, HE as digestive power in our body is the maintainer of life, What is wrong in prasing HIM?”

        To whom are we praying by parying to sun? We are praying to HIM and wondering about the power of HIM.
        Surya is called pratyaksham brahma, what does that mean it just means gods power is manifest as surya and we are respecting god by praising surya.

        If muslims can make up something great of a stone, then why cannot we praise gods power manifesting as sun?

        As a simple anology you can take the power by which a prime minister/minister/village panachayat president rules in a democratic country. The power to rule is the actual god called brahman, the other persons considered are just dummies without the power, but people still respect the persons because the power has chosen them as representatives in the country.

        Of course you can always respect/pray to the power, but to call that people praying to prime minister goes to hell is plaim stupidity.

      • @adolf
        “If muslims can make up something great of a stone”.oh! i already says that its the object,it hasn’t atleast .infinity 1 power of god.

        One god creates all the matters in our universe, Deity, paradise and earth. He is the source of all the good things so we pray to him only.
        (Hrid Veda 10:-81:-1.)
        (Shwethashathora Upanishath 3:1)

        here veda says ” pray to him only”
        whats the meaning of it?

      • @shabeer:
        >>here veda says ” pray to him only”
        Typical quranic mindset. I dont have the mantra so that i can understand.
        But going by your translation it just say we are praying to HIM who is the source of all good things. The only indicates we are actually praying to HIM. It is not an instruction to pray unmanifested brahman only, it is just a pointer indicating we are actually praying to HIM irrespective of names and forms to which we pray.

      • All the Planet and all the stars are depends to one god (Adarva Veda 13:-5 to 22)
        how can sun become a god?

        the above verses indicate beyond the sun,one super power existing is it?

        but why my 99% of hindu pray to created things like sun,siva,sai,snake,swami,etc?

        answer expecting verse by verse………..(4 day passed)

      • @shabeer:

        answer expecting verse by verse………..(4 day passed)

        Keep waiting. Answering you to your satisfaction and standards is not how things work. You cannot impose your standard of judgement based on your conditioning of the Quran and then go about proclaiming every other form of spirituality is bogus because it is not allowed in the Quran. It is like saying, “Look, sphere is the most perfect shape. Look it looks the same from all sides. But why your home is like rectangular blocks” or “Look, integers are perfect numbers. They are countably infinite. So, real numbers are flawed because they are not countably infinite”.

        Grow up and dont be a frog in the well.

      • Brother Shabeer, I am going to take a census. I will go around asking 99 % ofthe hindus, only some 80 million in number, why they worship sun,moon etc. I will prepare a pie chart and present it before you. You can analyse and give your valuable comments then.Okay?

        > Why is it so difficult for yo to understand that the way in which one tries to connect to God is not significant as long as he pursues noble selfless acts? I know God is formless. Kindly explain logically why would God punish me when after knowing his formlessness I pray to an idol as long as I am a good person at heart.WHY would God get offended/angered/insulted?

  22. 2) According to Hindu Veda who was a Hindu to do worship?

    According to Hindu believes Primitive Hindus pray to one god ‘ohm’.

    If someone preys to immortal things, they reach to hell. If someone unbelief the god they go to the hell. (Eshavaswa Upanishath 12, 13)

    One god creates all the matters in our universe, Deity, paradise and earth. He is the source of all the good things so we pray to him only.
    (Hrid Veda 10:-81:-1.)
    (Shwethashathora Upanishath 3:1)

    We Obeisance to one god for the creation of the entire universe.
    (Krishna yejur Veda 4:-6 to 9)
    (Shwethashathora Upanishath 6:16 to 17)

    • @shabeer
      >>Eshavaswa Upanishath 12, 13
      See the discussion about this in india divine website. The mantras discuss about avidya and going to darkness. They never say anything about permanenet hell.

      I dont why you are quoting the remaining mantras.

    • @shabeer,
      >>According to Hindu Veda who was a Hindu to do worship
      Define worship before asking who to worship
      Any way hindu god has no name and many names. So it is permitted to worship any god.
      In general hindus worhip many god knowing very well that all forms and names are of HIM.

  23. 3) According to Hindu Veda how many gods are there?

    Primitive Hindus pray to one god ‘ohm’

    One god was the reason for all the creation. His existence was above the sky (hrid Veda 10:129:1,-2 – 0:129:6, 7)

    First of all hernias (one god) only existing here he create all things in our universe. Universe follows his rules and regulation (hrid Veda 10:121:1) (Shwethashathora Upanishad 3:4)

    What are the basic things of creation of this universe? .one god creates universe by his own power (shuklaya yejur Veda 17:-18)

    All the Planet and all the stars are depends to one god (Adarva Veda 13:5 to 22)

    “Thamitham nikitham sahas’a yeshaka yekavritheka yeka yekatham devameka vritham Veda sarve asmin deva yekavritho bavathi”

    He is alone (one). Believe he ever exists alone. There are no two gods (Adarva Veda 13-5-20, 21)

    Nothing equal to him (one god) .His Reputation was truthful and Greatness (yejur Veda 32:3)

    He was powerful than anything’s. He was powerful than Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu, divan’s, and all Vedas. He Slaughter the entire universe. Prey to him alone (sharabo Upanishath 2, 3)

    He controlled the entire world, he is alone. He (Greatness) looking (Vivacious) his creation (hrid Veda 8:25:16) (Shwethashathora Upanishath 16:17)

    If one man is trustful (real believer) he knows his god is one. He (god) never been say one, two, three……he is alone and high powerful. All the things are concentrated and united belongs to him. (Adarva Veda 13:5:1 to 21)

    How can sun ray fall in all the direction? Like that you understand that god reach all were alone. (Keno Upanishath 1:8)

    Indram, brhma, Vishnu these devans are created and controlled them by god (thithariyo Upanishath 4:12)

    • >>According to Hindu Veda how many gods are there?
      Why are you giving both questions and answers.
      There is only one GOD and all hindus are worshipping only one GOD.

      A hindu can go to gurdwara/church/masjid and pray because he truly believes that there is only one god. But see muslims or christians by denying hindu god they are accepting muliplicity of god, i.e hindu god is false god and abrahamic god is true god, which makes the number of gods to two which is polytheism.

  24. 4) According to Hindu Veda can we see the god from our naked eye?

    We can’t saw the god from our naked eye. We can’t saw him as an object. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 4:20)

    He saw without eye, he hearing without ear. He knows all things, but few of them are knows to him. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 3:19)

    He was beyond our sense, our word, and our brain (kado Upanishath 1:2:23)

    Our ancestor believes that, we can’t understand the god from our eye, ear and our brain. We can’t explain the structure of god. We can’t hear from other person the structure of god. Because it is beyond our sense.
    (Keno Upanishath 1:3).

    What is the matter we can’t understand from our sense? .but it is the source of all the power. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).

    What is the power we can’t saw from our naked eye? But it gives the sight to the eye. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).

    What is the power we can’t hear from our naked ear? But it gives the hearing to the ear. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).

    What is the power we can’t understand from our soul? But it gives all the power of soul. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
    (Keno Upanishath 1:4, 5, 6, 7).

    How can sun ray fall all the direction? Like that you understand that god reach all where alone. (Keno Upanishath 1:8)

    If someone doesn’t know about truth of god. He can’t understand and not useful the Veda perfectly. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 4:8)

    If someone understand the god perfectly he being always unhappy or he always sadness. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 3:10)

    Most of the above god we can saw from the temple, photos, statue, Symbol, etc then what Veda says ‘We can’t saw him as an object’ (Shwethashathora Upanishath 4:20) and we can’t understand the god from our eye, ear and our brain. We can’t explain the structure of god. We can’t hear from other person the structure of god. Because it is beyond our sense. (Keno Upanishath 1:3).

    • >>According to Hindu Veda can we see the god from our naked eye?
      Simple question can you see the light with naked eye? Answer will be Yes and No.
      It is the light which enables you to see and at the same time you cannot deny that you saw light with your eye.

      The same is with god, he as brahman enables us to see, and as a manifested god allows us to see with eye.

      By the way learn islam first rather than telling us what we already knew.

      • we can saw the beam of sunlight from diffrent instrument adofl.
        its a object,we can felt hot and more
        99% of hindu god are object.
        why veda says we can’t saw them as an object?

      • You are talking in literal terms. Understand this, your parents are also objects of flesh and blood; so, do you respect them or not for what they have done for you? The sun may not be a direct benefactor, but do you underestimate the importance of the sun in your life?

      • @shabeer,
        >>we can saw the beam of sunlight from diffrent instrument adofl.
        To see means your brian cell are activated by light. Tha light can be any light (not only sun).
        The question of using other instrument fades away when you realize that to use the instrument you need light.
        God can be compared to that light which is enabling you to see.

        >>99% of hindu god are object.
        Even allah is an object. Hasnt quran compared allah with light tied to a date tree?

        >>why veda says we can’t saw them as an object?
        This you will understand only when you understand ana al haq, and what is the haq which mansoor al hallaj is talking about.

    • @shabeer
      I replied all your question in just a day.
      Now please spare us from copy pasting and telling us what we already knew.

      Also if possible plese explain to me how quran compares god with a light inside a lamp tied to a date tree.

  26. You all are marketing agents who malign each others product to keep up in the market 🙂

    Christians market for Bible,
    Muslims market for Quran
    Sikhs market for Adi Granth
    Hindus market for Vedas
    Jews market for Torah.

    Have anyone of you have ever really following the path of religion.

    • @marketingagents

      ________You all are marketing agents who malign each others product to keep up in the market___________

      What “Who are you means”?
      _______marketingagents_______

      and for whom you are marketing?
      ______Have anyone of you have ever really following the path of religion_______
      Do you ownself follow path of religion before pointing finger to others & What is the path of religion explain?

      What you find immoral in Veda teaching which is being pressurized to follow by others. Please explain me also.

      • Why are you so sensitive, if Vedas belongs to everyone I can say whateva i like you marketing agent :P, bcoz of people like you
        people tend to leave religion.

      • @marketingagents

        Where we have forced the people to leave their religion? If we request the people to stop the satanic ideology killing of apostate/idolater, stop the ideology making woman sex slaves, stop the killing of innocent animals for tongue test, Give equal right to woman, stop the punishment stoning to death for woman, stop the killing of fellow brothers for not believing in Kuran & Mohamad blindly, stop the ideology of killing who do not believe in miracles. Then what you find wrong in ours (Followers of Veda), if we are doing this.

      • I am not following any religion so do not include me in your sales team you marketing agent. Stop marketing your product
        to me. 😛

      • @marketingagen

        First of all, I am individually commenting here not on behalf of any religious institutions & I have no connection with any sales team or institution. & You First of all commenting on religion you should get aware what is religion & one can refuse to believe in 4 Vedas and yet be follower of Vedic religion if one follows these characteristics of religion:
        Non-violence, Patience, Forgiving, Self-control, Non-Stealing, Purity, Brahmacharya (Self-control and NON-obscenity), Intellect, Knowledge seeking, Truthfulness, Non-Anger, Putting strong efforts, Self-study or self-evaluation.
        To know more read this
        http://agniveer.com/5132/common-questions-vedic-religion/

    • @marketingagents
      Simple answer is who landed here, did agniveer site send you a mail to join here or you yourself came here to call us marketing agents? You can only label agniveer site as marketing agent if you came here because of emails/pamplets from this site, other wise i ask you to please ……….

      thanks

  27. @marketingagent:

    I am not following any religion so do not include me in your sales team you marketing agent. Stop marketing your product to me.

    Umm…this is a website where we defend our POV. Remind me again who is forcing you to buy whatever we are “marketing”?

      • losers? Let’s see who is having a last laugh here. 😀

        Periyardasan, an atheist and a rationalist has embraced Islam. he said “I was thinking there was no god and no life after death but recently I feared what would happen to me if there is God and the hereafter as Quran says. So I decided to convert to Islam.”

        “Afraid of afterlife” lol

      • @marketingagent
        Didnt you notice that you have been infected by one of the main trait of islam, i.e claiming victory when lost. You do not have words to defend your statment and calling us losers, get a life learn some meditation you will definitely find cure for this virus.

    • @Dogra
      Isin’t fighting against ‘adharma’ is one of the tenet of Santan Dharma? Agniveer has started this campaign only after other faiths started maliging SD, don’t you know about “dharmo rakshati rakshitaha” ?

  29. Yajur Veda 15.15 says Sûrya is God

    Yajur Veda 32.1,13.24 2.28, Atharva Veda 7.53.2 God is Agni being Self-refulgent;

    Rig Veda 2.28.3 says Varuna is God

    Yajur Veda 14.14 says Vayu is God

    Rig Veda 4:30:16 says Indra is Lord of heroes
    The term devata or Dev means God But according Dayanand Saraswati the term Devata has this meaning

    2. What is meant by the mention of various devatas (Gods) in the Vedas then?
    A. Whatsoever or whosoever possesses useful and brilliant qualities is called a
    devata, as the earth for instance; but it is nowhere said that it is God or is the
    object of our adoration. Even in the above mantra it is said that He, who is the
    sustainer of all devatas, is the adorable God, and is worthy of of being sought
    after, They are greatly mistaken who take the word “devata” to mean God. [Satyarth Prakash Ch 7, pg # 203]

    The objection here is not about the meaning of Devta, but it’s about Does the Vedas endorse Polytheism? If yes then there would be no use to argue about the term Devata, So let’s analyse

    उपासना= Worship

    आराधना= Worship

    अर्चन= Worship

    पूजा= Worship

    पूजन= Worship

    प्रार्थना= Prayer, Worship

    आवाहन= Invoke

    Yajur Veda 40.8 He (Ishwar) alone should be worshipped.

    This is the famous verse quoted by small community of monotheistic Hindu sect to show there is only one god and he alone should be worshiped although there are 33 gods mentioned in Vedas and now that community explains it in a twisting manner, now let us read the next verse

    Atharva Veda 2.2.1-2 Lord of the World, divine Gandharva, only he should be honoured in the Tribes and worshipped…the friendly god who only must be worshipped.

    And now this Atharva Veda verse says to pray only to the Gandharva and only Gadharva should be honoured (and not Ishwar).

    Atharva Veda 20.85.1 Glorify naught besides, O friends; so shall no sorrow trouble you. Praise only mighty Indra when the juice is shed, and say your lauds repeatedly:

    Rig Veda 6.47.17 He…

  30. (Indra) loves no more the men he loved aforetime: he (Indra) turns and moves away allied with others who. Rejecting those disregard his worship

    This Verse refers to the Brahman Indra the Hindu God. This verse says Indra does not love the men and moves away from the men who does not worship him, Now isn’t it very confusing to whom we should worship? If you read Yajur Veda 40.8 and Rig Veda 6.47.17 they sounds like they cannot tolerate each other, these verses from Vedas contradicts themselves, one verse says Ishwar alone should be worshiped and another says Indra does not love the men who does not worship him (which means Indra should also be worshiped and only he should be praised). Some Hindus have problem with Muslims paying high respect to Prophet S.A.W and call it Muslims worships Prophet Muhammad so what about the Vedas which clearly commands to praise many Gods and Godesses. The Vedas says to worship Indra clearly in many verses

    Rig Veda 3.32.7 With reverence let us worship mighty Indra, great and sublime, eternal, everyouthful…

    Rig Veda 4.17.18 Be helping Friend of those who seek thy friendship . give life, when lauded, Indra, to the singer. For, Indra, we the priests have paid thee worship, exalting thee with these sacrifices.

    The Vedas not just says to worship Indra but they also command to worship Agni

    Yajur Veda 27.15 Let him pay worship to this Agni’s greatness[Agni] …

    Rig Veda 3.9.9 Three times a hundred Gods and thrice a thousand, and three times ten and nine have worshipped Agni, For him spread sacred grass, with oil bedewed him, and stablished him as Priest and Sacrificer.

    Rig Veda 2.3.3 Adored in heart, as is thy right, O Agni, serve the Gods first to-day before the mortal. Bring thou the Marut host. Ye men do worship to Indra seated on the grass, eternal.

    • pls read my comments below and read all these verses in that context.
      rig veda1.164.46:
      “They call him Indra, Mitra, Varuṇa, Agni, and he is heavenly nobly-winged Garutmān.
      To what is One, sages give many a title — they call it Agni, Yama, Mātariśvan.”
      so one good invoked in many names. and many forms.

      also note that in sanskrit,the same worrd is used in many meanings in many contexts.but wen a specific name/form is invked as alone(especially,as the supreme),then that name refers to that one God alone.

      that nis y u talk of “one god worshipping another” in the below verses.

  31. Worshiping the God is ok but God worshiping God is very shocking, Agni who is a God according to Veda also worships other Gods

    Rig Veda 6.16.2 So with thy joyous tongues for us sacrifice nobly in this rite. Bring thou (Agni) the Gods and worship them.

    The Vedas also says to Worship both Indra and Agni

    Rig Veda 6.60.1. He slays the foe and wins the spoil who worships Indra and Agni, strong and mighty Heroes, Who rule as Sovrans over ample riches, victorious, showing forth their power in conquest.

    Rig Veda 5.45.4 With hymns and God-loved words will I invoke you, Indra and Agni, to obtain your favour,For verily sages, skilled in sacrificing, worship the Maruts and with lauds invite them.

    Holy Trinity: We had only knew one trinity Jesus, Mary and Yahwey, But there is worshiping of 3 Gods even in the Vedas

    Yajur Veda 3.60 Tryambaka we worship, sweet augmenter of prosperity…

    Tryambaka is not a name of God but according to Shri Ram Acharya it includes the Gods like Vishnu, Brahma, Mahesh

    Rig Veda 7.59.12 Tryambaka we worship, sweet augmenter of prosperity…

    Ram Acharya states: ‘’According to Acharyas the term ‘’Tryambaka’’ means three Gods- Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh…’’
    It has not yet finished the Vedas also says to pray to three more things Heaven, Earth and Agni

    Rig Veda 1.112.1 To give first thought to them, I worship Heaven and Earth, and Agni, fair bright glow, to hasten their approach.

    Rig Veda 10.17.7, Atharva Veda 18.1.41 The pious call Sarasvati, they worship Sarasvati while sacrifice proceedeth….

  32. Worshiping many Gods is supported in Vedas and there are 33 Gods in the Vedas

    Rig Veda 8.31.16, 8.44.6 Ne’er are ye injured, worshipper, presser of juice, or pious man. The man who, sacrificing, strives to win the heart of Deities will conquer those who worship not.

    The Hindi term above is ‘’Devo’’ which is the plural for Dev which means God or Deity, Thus Worshiping multiple Gods is supported in Vedas
    Aatharva Veda 19.27.10 With friendly thoughts the Deities, three-and thirty, and three great Powers preserved it in the Waters. He made heroic powers with the gold that lies upon this Moon.
    Rig Veda 1.45.2 Agni, the Gods who understand give ear unto the worshipper: Lord of Red Steeds, who lovest song, bring thou those Three-and-Thirty Gods.
    Rig Veda 8.30.2 Thus be ye lauded, ye destroyers of the foe, ye Three-and-Thirty Deities, The Gods of man, the Holy Ones.

    There are many verses which talks about worshippers of Indra and Agni, Varuna, Visvedeva, Prana, Maruts etc etc[1], thus it is evident that they were worshiped and had worshipers, so how can few Hindu claims there is only one God in Vedas, moreover they talks about one formless God, everyone knows Purusha Sukta which says God has thousand heads, and has hands, feets, thighs, chest, eyes, mouth etc etc. So there cannot be one formless God in Vedas, As far as the verse Yajur Veda 40.8 is concerned, It’s nothing more than just a contradicting verse, if a book like Vedas written by man (mostly copied) will tend to have more contradictions and errors. Some Hindus might quote Rig Veda 1.164.46 and then say ‘’All those verses are referred to Ishwar but as the Vedas says One God is known by many names those verses refers to Ishwar only but with many other names’’ one of their objection of Bismillah is ‘’Why would Allah praise himself’’ so my counter response would be similar, Why would Ishwar worship himself?

    [1] Rig Veda 1.1.6, 1.97.4, 1.57.5, 7.32.1, Atharva Veda 11.4.11, 20.135.9, Yajur Veda 22.58, 7.33

    • @shabeer:

      Depending on the relationship between people, the same person can simultaneously be a father, son, husband, grand father, uncle, teacher, friend, enemy, employer, employee, etc. etc. etc. Does this compute?

      On a different note, without taking recourse to scriptures, can you establish why nature worship, paganism or polytheism are bad?

      • the above post cantain full of polytheism it completly contradiction to my comments(once of god) 25763,64,65,66.

        my question to all my brothers that.

        what a common hindu people follow from it? adhyotham or dhyotham.

        why hinduism hsan’t unity atleast the basment of religion ‘concept of god’?

      • @shabeer:

        I asked you to show me without taking recourse to scriptures why nature worship, paganism, idol worship or polytheism are bad. Can you answer this?

        It is not adhyotham or dhyotham. It is Advaita and Dvaita. Educate yourself first before trying to engage in debate. Now, Hindus dont go around proclaiming they are Advaita followers or Dvaita followers. They do not form separate countries on the basis of “Advaitic Republic of Maharashtra” or “Dvaitic Republic of Haryana”, etc. The difference between the two schools is…ahh…waste of time explaining all this to an IRF copy paste junkie like you.

      • THEN WHY R VEDA SAYS LIKE THAT

        If one man is trustful (real believer) he knows his god is one. He (god) never been say one, two, three……he is alone and high powerful. All the things are concentrated and united belongs to him. (Adarva Veda 13:5:1 to 21)

        We can’t saw the god from our naked eye. We can’t saw him as an object. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 4:20)
        What is the matter we can’t understand from our sense? .but it is the source of all the power. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).

        What is the power we can’t saw from our naked eye? But it gives the sight to the eye. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).

        What is the power we can’t hear from our naked ear? But it gives the hearing to the ear. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).

        What is the power we can’t understand from our soul? But it gives all the power of soul. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
        (Keno Upanishath 1:4, 5, 6, 7).

        ITS COMPLETLY CONTRADICTION TO U’R BELIVES,FROM IT WHAT A BELIVER UNDERSTAND MR.KALABAHW?

        PRAY TO 33 CORES OF GODS? IS IT?

      • one god in many forms and many names.that is hinduism.
        then why one god worshipping aniother one.
        the reason is that each word takes different meanings in different contexts. since god is all pervasive, he has various qualities of everything in this universe.but thee qualities he posses are of infinity. in this way,he can be refered to as any of these names of the objects in the universe depending on the context.
        for example,in contexts where we describe him in terms of his lustre,his powers,etc. we refer to him as agni,surya,varuna etc.especially in hymns which lauds these deities as the supreme.thus here in these verses the words agni,varuna,etc. refers to god in those qualities of the objects relevant to the context.
        but wen we have “one god worshipping another”,the context is different.there it is not refering to god as i explained above, it refers to the objects,or to something else based on the qualities they have.

        hope that sheds some light.
        now interpret the verses in this light and consult me if u have doubts.
        ill try my level best to help.
        by discussing them i shall have even more practice in understanding the vedas which would help me.
        i am here as a sincere student so to foster my study help me by asking questions,but the questions are to be sensible and should be asked not in an arrogant manner with filthy language .

    • muslims should stop worshipping kaabaa,graves , and WALLS of masjids…Destroy masjids…Allah is unseen and he is in heaven experiencing orgasms….So why worshipping and bowing in front of WALLS of masjids…Allah is not present there to bow before him…:D.
      .

      • all my brothers

        ” i declare you have a chance to win 1 core rupees ”

        game is

        bring only one verses from quran that it allow the polytheism

        chaleenge to all people.

        can u do it?

      • @shabeer

        That depends on how you define polytheism. For you, remembering Muhammad in prayers along with Allah is monotheism but praying One Eeshvar without reciting Muhammad’s name is polytheism 🙁

        Otherwise, if logical way is chosen to judge polytheism, Islam is polytheistic religion. All the verses of Quran could not be revealed if Muhammad would have not been prophet! Moreover even if you accept all the Quranic verses divine but refuse to accept prophesy of Muhammad, your monotheism goes for a toss! So this way, you should be ready with Rs 6666 crores for all the polytheistic verses of Quran 🙂

        And BTW dont forget about Satanic verses of Quran that, if taken seriously, clearly advocate polytheism. So anyway, 2 crore for me now, what say?

      • misunderstanding the concept of god in islam

        brother athish

        go to top of this site

        click discussion forum

        click islam

        click my thread ‘concept of god in islam’

        read it carefully 2 or 3 times and come to discuss with me…………………..

      • @shabeer
        Choose which is monotheism between two, rest will be considered polytheism. Its just simple. Both can not be true.
        _____________That depends on how you define polytheism. 1. For you, remembering Muhammad in prayers along with Allah is monotheism but 2. praying One Eeshvar without reciting Muhammad’s name is polytheism :____________

      • @shabeer

        Another gem! Have a look

        [Quran 4:150,151]- Those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and WISH TO MAKE DISTINCTION BETWEEN ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGERS…. They are in truth disbelievers; and we have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment.

        So if you think Allah and His prophets are different then you are preparing yourself for hell 🙁 IS this what you call monotheism? Because if this is monotheism then I will remain polytheist to my last breath INSHALLAH.

      • Aatish
        You are Kaffir. This is not word from God. Your quote is from man made book. I already declared any book which contain miracle stories must be treated as man made book. Do you understand. Immediately Reject the book from where you have cited the quote. Otherwise hell is waiting for you. I am Allah. You surrender yourself only to me. Never include any human in my worship.

      • oh what a miracle discovery?

        brother i send this sentance with the apllication of nobel price to authority of nebel price .may be u got nobel next year.

        1) what the orginal verses?

        Indeed, those who “”disbelieve”” in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, “We believe in some and disbelieve in others,” and wish to adopt a way in between.Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.(holy quran 4:150,151)

        any word here to says worship to u’r prophet?

        who r u teach english ?

        i think u/him had mistaken the difrrece between the word “worship” and “belive”

        whats my question?

        if islam and quran promote to worship any things other than allha?

        time is there,try it ,but not commic like this……………………….

      • 2) according to islamic theory,a verses explain,what r the situation it reveled.

        the above verses indicate during the period of prophet(s.a),the people of makha never belive the prophet(sa),at the same time they belive allah.so god critizise them says (“discriminate between Allah and His messengers “).the verses indicate belive not for worship never

      • @Shabeer
        ____________people of makha never belive the prophet(sa),at the same time they belive allah.so god critizise them says (“discriminate between Allah and His messengers “).the verses indicate belive not for worship never______________

        Allah ordered to only people of Makha why not others ? Why did Allah not order to people of USA, India, China to believe in Mohamad that time. That means Kuran only for the people of Makha. I think if allah wanted people of China, India believe in Mohamad he would have come to China & India to give them order to believe in Mohamd. But Allah never came in India & China to order to the people of there to believe in Mohamad.

      • Allah introduce prophet Muhammad(sa) to all mankind between ad year 610 to end of day.before him he send different prophet send to different region for bring back the people to their eternal salvation.prophet Muhammad(sa) god introduce to all people.

      • how many time i answered it?

        what the topic we discussion here,polygamy?

        @truth seeker

        first post verses completly,

        And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging. And if you amend [your affairs] and fear Allah – then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.(holy quran4:129)

        this is god advice to beliver that,if we marry more than two wife’s,we must keep the equality between them.why r u cut the second sentance fron the quran,it cantaned u’r answer.’do not incline completely(towards one)’.

        how to this sentance prophet and his follower(when the verses came,they divorce their wife?,is it happend?)
        no,from the verses on wards they keep equality between their wife’s strognly.

      • @Shabeer
        _____________this is god advice to beliver that,if we marry more than two wife’s,we must keep the equality between them_______

        But Allah says
        4:129 that you guys can NEVER treat two wives with equality. Is Allah wrong? (Contradiction in Kuran)

      • अल्लाह का भी अल्लाह है !?

        किसी काम के होने के बारे में ,यदि कोई आपसे यह कहे कि ,राम कहते है ,यदि राम की कृपा हो जाए ,ईसा मसीह कहते हैं ,यदि ईसा मसीह की अनुकम्पा हो ,और खुद इश्वर कहता है ,ईश्वर की इच्छा हो ,तो यह काम हो सकता .तो आपको उस व्यक्ति की यह बातें उसी तरह मूर्खता पूर्ण लगेंगी ,जैसे कोई यह कहे की मैं अपने ही कन्धों पर बैठता हूँ .
        लेकिन जब आपको बताया जाये कि अल्लाह खुद कहता है “यदि अल्लाह चाहे (إن شاء الله” (अरबी में “इंशा अल्लाह ) तो सोचेंगे कि अल्लाह “मैं चाहूँ “की जगह यदि अल्लाह चाहे क्यों कह रहा है .फिर दूसरा अल्लाह कौन है ?
        इस पहेली को हल करने के लिए आपको पहले इस्लाम में अल्लाह और कुरान के बारे में जो मान्यताएं है ,उनकी जानकारी देना जरूरी है .मुसलमान कुरान को अल्लाह के वचन मानते हैं ,जिसमे कोई परिवर्तन नहीं हुआ है ,और न होगा .इस विषय को स्पष्ट करने के लिए आपको कुरान से हवाले दिए जा रहे हैं .फिर लेख पढ़ने के बाद निर्णय आपको करना होगा .देखिये –

        1-कुरान अल्लाह की वाणी है
        अल्लाह खुद कुरान को अपना उपदेश ,अपना कथन कहता है ,बल्कि एक एक शब्द अपने द्वारा कहा हुआ बताता है ,जैसे
        “हे लोगो तुम्हारे पास यह अल्लाह का उपदेश ( कुरान )आगया है ” सूरा-यूनुस 10 :57
        “यह मानव के लिए अल्लाह का साफ साफ आदेश है ,और इसलिए भेजा गया है की इस से लोगों को सचेत किया जाये “सूरा .इब्राहिम 13 :52 ”
        “यह अलह की सर्वोत्तम बातें हैं ,जिसके सभी हिस्से आपस में परस्पर मिले हुए हैं ,और बार बार दुहराए गए हैं “सूरा -अज जुमुर 39 :23
        2 -कुरान कितने लोगों पर उतरा गया था ?
        मुसलमान यह दावा करते है कि अल्लाह ने कुरान सिर्फ मुहम्मद के ऊपर ही नाजिल की थी .लेकिन हम दी गयी आयत को ध्यान से पढ़ें तो ,पता चलता है कि .अल्लाह ने कुरान को कई लोगों पर नाजिल किया था .देखिये
        “वह अत्यंत बरकत वाला है ,जिसने यह फुरकान (कुरान ) अपने बन्दों पर उतारा है ,ताकि वह संसार के लिए सचेत वाला हो ”
        सूरा -फुरकान .25 :1
        3 -अल्लाह कौनसे अल्लाह की तारीफ करने को कहता है .
        कुरान में अल्लाह अक्सर ” मेरी “की जगह “उस “अल्लाह की तारीफ करने को कहता है ,ऐसा लगता है जैसे कोई दूसरा भी अल्लाह है .देखिये
        “प्रशंसा तो “उस “अल्लाह के लिए है “जो ” हर चीज का मालिक है ,जो आसमान और जमीन में है “सूरा -सबा 34 :1
        “प्रशंसा “उस “अल्लाह के लिए है…

      • @truthseeker

        what a miracle contradiction my friend discover from quran?,a average sensual person can understand,what the verses indicate from it.

        i ask u a common sensual questions,

        ” u never keep the equality[as a feeling] between u’r children,so u never inclined towards one of them,u must keep equality between them ”

        what a common people understand from it?

        is more than two children is a sinned things? is it?

        this is against the word permitting more than two children? is it?

        i think u has some biggest problem how to understand a sentence.

      • @shabeer

        First of All, think my dear friend Allah made one Eve for Aadam. If Allah wants many wives of Aadam he would have made many eves. But Allah made only one Eve. That means Allah always wants we should practice monogamy in our life. Allah never wants polygamy. This quote of your “we must keep equality among wives” rejected by this logic. Polygamy & Polyandry both are nonsense/immoral practice in society & against Veda.

      • क्या ऐसा अल्लाह भी ,ईश्वर हो सकता है .इसे गौर से पढ़िए –

        1-अल्लाह ने जन्नत उँगलियों पर उठा रखी है

        Allah is holding the earth and heaven on his fingers
        हमारा ईमान है कि अल्लाह लोगों के बीच में उनके दिल आपस में बदलता रहता है .और अपनी एक उंगली से प्रथ्वी को और दूसरी से स्वर्ग को उठाये रखता है .

        We read in Al-Tauhfa al-Madania by Hamad bin Nassir al-Mu’amar, page 131:

        وندين أن الله تعالى مقلب القلوب وأن القلوب بين إصبعين من أصابعه وأنه يضع السموات على أصبع والأرضين على أصبع

        “We believe that Allah almighty changes the hearts and the hearts are between two of his (Allah) fingers and he put the heavens on a finger and the earth on another finger”

        2-अल्लाह मच्छर पर सवारी करता है
        Allah travel over a mosquito
        पता चला कि जब फ़रिश्ते उस तख़्त को उठाने में नाकाम हो गए ,जिस पर अल्लाह अपनी शानो शौकत से बैठता है ,तो उन्होंने झुक कर कहा इस भारी तख़्त को जमीन से उठाकर स्वर्ग तक लेजाने की ताकत हमारे अन्दर नहीं ,और सिवाय अल्लाह के कोई दूसरा इसे नहीं उठा सकता .तब अल्लाह एक मच्छर पर सवार हो गया ,जो उसे तख़्त के साथ उठाकर सातों आसमानों तक घुमाकर ले गया .तख़्त कितना भारी होगा

        Imam Darami records in his book Aqa’id al-Salaf, page 443:

        وقد بلغنا أنـهم -الملائكة- حين حملوا العرش وفــوقــه الجــبار في عزته وبـهائه ، ضعفوا عن حمله واستكانوا وحنوا على ركبهم حتى لقنوا ( لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله ) فاستقلوا به بقدرة الله وإرادته ، ولولا ذلك ما استقل به العرش ، ولا الحملة ولا السماوات ولا الأرض ولا من فيهن . ولو قد شاء لاستقر على ظهر بعوضة فاستقلت به بقدرته ولطف ربوبيته ، فكيف على عرش عظيم أكبر من السماوات السبع ؟

        “It has reached us that when the Angels lifted the throne while the almighty is on top of it in his might and glory, they were weak in lifting it, and they rested and bent onto their knees until they said (there is no might or power except with Allah) but they lifted it with His power and will, and if it wasn’t for it (His power and will), it would not have been possible for the throne, or those that carry it or the skies or the earth or whoever is inside it. And if he so…

      • 3-अल्लाह को मोटापे की बीमारी है
        Allah suffers from weight gain
        खालिद बिन मदान ने कहा जब से दुनिया बनी है,तख़्त पर अल्लाह का वजन बढ़ता जा रहा है .और उसे मोटापे की बीमारी हो गयी है

        We read in Al-Sunnah by Abdullah Ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, page 161:

        خالد بن معدان انه كان يقول أن الرحمن ليثقل على حملة العرش من أول النهار

        Khalid bin Madaan said: ‘Allah’s weight becomes heavy on the throne in the beginning of the day’
        4-अल्लाह जहन्नम में रह चुका है
        Allah is in hell
        रसूल ने कहा कि जब लोगों को जहन्नम की आग में झोंका जायेगा तो ,आग कहेगी क्या अभी और लोग भी आने वाले हैं .लेकिन जब अल्लाह जैसे ही अपना पैर उस जहन्नम की आग में रखेगा तो वह कहेगी बस ,बस ,काफी हो गया .
        ( उस दिन जहन्नम से पूछा कि क्या तू भर गयी है ?वह बोली अभी कुछ और लोग चाहिए .कुरआन .सूरा -काफ 50 :30 )

        We read in Sahih Bukhari that the Prophet (saws) said:
        ” “سيتم يكب الناس في النار (جهنم)، وسوف يقول :” هل هناك أي أكثر (في المستقبل(50:30) حتى يضع الله قدمه عليها، وسوف يقول “القات القات!” (كفى! كى!) ” ”

        “The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say: ‘Are there any more (to come)?(50:30) till Allah puts his foot over it and it will say ‘Qat! Qat!” (Enough! Enough!)”
        Sahih Bukhari Arabic-English Volume 6 hadith number 371 translated by Dr Muhsin Khan
        5-अल्लाह चकित हो जाता है

        Allah wonders
        आश्चर्यचकित होजाना अल्लाह की विशेषता है ,जो कुरान और हदीसों से साबित है.

        We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 58:

        التَّعَجُّبُ صفةٌ فعليَّةٌ خبريَّةٌ ثابتةٌ لله عَزَّ وجَلَّ بالكتاب والسنة.

        “Wondering is a quality of Allah proven by Quran and Sunnah”
        6-अल्लाह को शर्म आती है
        Allah possesses shy qualities
        शर्मा जाना (लज्जित होजाना )अल्लाह की विशेषता है ,जो कुरान और हदीसों से साबित है

        We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 86:

        الْحَيَاءُ وَالاسْتِحْيَاءُ صفةٌ خبريَّةٌ ثابتةٌ لله عَزَّ وجَلَّ بالكتاب والسنة

        “Shyness is a quality of Allah proven by the Quran and Sunnah”.
        7-अल्लाह एक वस्तु और एक व्यक्ति है
        Allah is a ‘thing’ and a…

      • Allah wonders
        आश्चर्यचकित होजाना अल्लाह की विशेषता है ,जो कुरान और हदीसों से साबित है.

        We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 58:

        التَّعَجُّبُ صفةٌ فعليَّةٌ خبريَّةٌ ثابتةٌ لله عَزَّ وجَلَّ بالكتاب والسنة.

        “Wondering is a quality of Allah proven by Quran and Sunnah”
        6-अल्लाह को शर्म आती है
        Allah possesses shy qualities
        शर्मा जाना (लज्जित होजाना )अल्लाह की विशेषता है ,जो कुरान और हदीसों से साबित है

        We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 86:

        الْحَيَاءُ وَالاسْتِحْيَاءُ صفةٌ خبريَّةٌ ثابتةٌ لله عَزَّ وجَلَّ بالكتاب والسنة

        “Shyness is a quality of Allah proven by the Quran and Sunnah”.
        7-अल्लाह एक वस्तु और एक व्यक्ति है
        Allah is a ‘thing’ and a ‘person’
        अल्लाह को व्यक्ति या “शख्स “कहने की अनुमति है .

        We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 125:

        يجوز إطلاق لفظة (شخص) على الله عَزَّ وجَلَّ

        “It is permissible to use the word (person) for Allah almighty”
        अल्लाह को एक चीज “शय “कहने की अनुमति है ,यह अल्लाह का गुण है

        On page 130, we read:

        يصح إطلاق لفظة (شيء) على الله عَزَّ وجَلَّ

        “It is permissible to use the word (a thing) to qualify Allah almighty.”
        8-अल्लाह हरेक बुराई की जड़ है
        Allah is the root source of acts of polytheism, fornication and homosexuality
        इमाम अबू हनीफा ने अपनी मसनद में लिखा है कि फ़रिश्ते ,नबी ,किताबें अच्छाइयां और बुराइयां सब अल्लाह भेजता है .और शिर्क ,व्यभिचार और समलैंगिकता की जड़ अल्लाह ही है .

        In the recognized Ahl’ul Sunnah work Musnad Abu Hanifa, page 152 we read:

        الإيمان بالله وملائكته وكتبه ورسله والقدر خيره وشره من الله

        “Iman is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, qadr, the good and the evil is all from Allah”
        Musnad Abu Hanifa, page 152
        इब्ने उमर ने कहा ,एक आदमी अबू बकर के पास गया और बोला ,क्या आप मानते हैं की व्यभिचार भी अल्लाह के आदेश से होता है .अबूबकर ने कहा ,हाँ ,तब वह बोला अब मैं देखता हूँ कि तुम मुझे सजा क्यों देते हो .अबू बकर ने कहा खेना के बेटे एक आदमी मेरे साथ है ,जो तेरी नाक तोड़ देगा .

        Similarly Allamah…

  33. INDIA’S FIRST EDUCATION MINISTER WAS A WAHABI MAULANA (Maulana abul kalam azad) WHO INJECTED MUSLIM FANTASIES IN INDIAN EDUCATION SYSTEM LIKE BABUR GIVING HIS LIFE AS BONUS TO HUMAYUN, MUSLIMS INVADERS CONQUERING INDIA WITHOUT MUCH STRUGGLE AND IMPOSITION OF SECULARISM ONLY ON HINDUS.

    Maulana abul kalam azad was wahabi of afghan origin and greatly influenced by SHAH WALI ULLAH’S POLITICAL THOUGHT i.e Muslims should get all the benefits and Hindus should be secondary citizen living as slaves to muslims. SHAH WALI ULLAH was the TRAITOR who invited ABDALI from Afghanistan to attack India and make Hindus as slaves of Muslim (LOL Indian Muslim patriotism).

    SO FROM THE DAY OF INDEPENDENCE THERE WAS A GREAT CONSPIRACY GOING ON TO MAKE HINDUS SECONDARY CITIZEN AND MAKING MUSLIMS THE LANDLORDS OF INDIA.

    http://www.saag.org/common/uploaded_files/paper629.html

  34. again job is to defend SD, attacking other faiths is not what we should do, as Sanatan Dharma teaches there are many paths to God.

    Sanatan Dharma there is only one god, but many manifestations:

    http://www.satyavidya.org/component/content/article/53-vedic-vitamins/126-there-is-only-one-god
    “All doubts about the correctness of the unequivocal statement that the Vedas uphold only monotheism and not Polytheism are set at rest when we consider

    Yo na pitah janitha vidhata dhamani veda bhuvanani vishwa|

    Yo devaanam namadha yeka yeva tam samprashnam bhuvanam yantyanya||

    Rigveda 10.82.3

    All these several worlds, find ultimate refuge, in that curiosity-provoking, thought –arousing Lord who is our father and creator, who is , the maker of sacred injunctions and Knows all the abodes and worlds and finally who is only one assuming the names of different divinities.

    Vedas describe only One God at all places. The advice is He alone should be praised and worshipped. He alone is the emperor of the Universe.

    Yekho Vishwasya bhuvanasya rajah Rig-Veda 6.36.4

    The Lord of the entire universe is one and one only.

    “

    • I agreed, but do you believe that immoral acts(like pedophilia, murder, loot, rape, slavery, incest, killing of Apostates, sacrificing animals..etc etc ) will lead you to the God?

      Didn’t exposing and fighting against those barbaric cults is an essential part of SD?

  35. @shabeer:

    ITS COMPLETLY CONTRADICTION TO U’R BELIVES,FROM IT WHAT A BELIVER UNDERSTAND MR.KALABAHW?

    I asked you to establish what is wrong with idol worship, polytheism, atheism, paganism, nature worship, etc. this without taking recourse to scriptures. You couldnt. So, the question is still open to be answered by other Momins. I have lost hope in you because of the multiple attempts I have given you and your stubborn refusal to use these to swing the argument in your favour.

    Now, regarding these quotations from the Scriptures, keep in mind that what they are saying is that the ultimate reality is ONE BRAHMAN. It is the sole independent entity in existence. Every thing else is either super imposed on it OR is dependent on it. So, the only absolute ultimate reality is Brahman. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

    All of the Upanishads, Gita, Brahmasutras and the Vedas point out this truth alone.

    And stop deluding yourself that the one God mentioned in the Upanishads is Allah. Allah is a tyrranical hater monger. Brahman is full of bliss and doesnt need to test souls arbitrarily.

    • @kalabw

      broth detail description requred

      go to top of this site

      click discussion forum

      click islam

      click my thread ‘concept of og in islam’(it include some problem of polythesm)

      read it carefully 2 or 3 times and come to discuss with me…………………..

      • @shabeer:

        Read commentary of Upanishads/Brahmasutras/Gita by either Shankaracharya, Madhavacharya or Ramanuja. Understand them first and if there are doubts post questions here. All details reside there. Sorry, cant educate you over the internet. You need to put in some effort on your own too.

  36. Indian Institute Of Scientific Heritage(iish.org) is an organization formed by Dr.S.Radhkrishnan who is a scientist…its aim is to make every indian proud of our culture and learn it scientifically…….

    He has made a great lecture on texts of hinduism…
    He said divide hindu texts into 3..
    1)Ethihasas – learn and practice the moral from these stories
    2)Purnas – These are experience of other people…Learn them and try not to make such mistaked
    3)Vedas – learn direct messages from it………..

  37. An excellent and an insightful article! It cleared some of my doubts regarding the inconsistencies between the Hindu Religion and the Hindu Mythology. Also, after going through this article I clearly understood why the people of the totalitarian ideologies always aimed at the political conquests to spread their religion. We all or at least some of us Indians know that the Congress party is nothing but a continuation of the half-bred Mughal dynasty. When Rajiv married Maino it has even became one representation of two deadly totalitarian ideologies who’s primary focus is to debase the Indians off their culture and make them morally corrupt and make them hate their own religion and then sell their product!
    What else is the best way to achieve this than gaining the political power and controlling the Media, the Education Policies! This is not an invention of Congress party but its just a continuation of the policies of the totalitarians who ruled our country for so many years. For example, the 2002 gujarat violence became all important to the media than the Jihad in Kashmir or the 1984 anti-Sikh riots. Syed Sha Geelani, a fanatic leader in Kashmir used to openly give a call to muslims to reject the concept of secularism and follow only the strict Islam during the Jihadi days. No media has reported this. He is still respected by the Indian media and the so called educated people, who were educated follow secularism only if they are Hindus. If the Congress party is so successful in its campaign against the indigenous culture even in the democratic environment just think how successful the Islamic Ghazis who ruled India like dictators at the times when democracy was unheard of and there was absolutely no transparency in their regimes! How tactfully the British must have manipulated the remaining Indian culture, the history and its religion to suit their needs!
    Really the task that the people like Agniveer have taken are praiseworthy. It certainly can spread awareness among the…

  38. @Agniveer
    Are Yam & Niyam (Non-violence, Patience, Forgiving, Self-control, Non-Stealing, Purity, Control of Sense and Work organs, Intellect, Knowledge seeking, Truthfulness, Non-Anger) part of Yog & compulsory to follow to realize God.

      • @Bro Vajra:

        Yes, it will be a fresh new start to world civilization if such conversations can happen without fear in Saudi Arabia. Here’s hoping it will happen in our lifetimes. But the Momins sometimes seem beyond redemption that it may be a futile hope. 🙁

        In any case, we should continue to expose the “eternal hellfire for you infidel kufrs” hate speakers. A good start would be to ban the Quran from India. Make every Momin read the Satanic Verses instead of the Quran in every mosque.

  42. agniveer

    please write a detail article on the topic ” radha is fictional character” using information from bankim chadnra’s krishna charitra and book of other sanskrit scholars..

    than it will b easier to spread the information all over n make people aware

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