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India today has become the center-stage of conversion virus. China and countries beyond China are too unapproachable for this virus. And in rest of the world on west of India, already whatever conversion had to happen has happened. Now its only a game of jumping from one branch aka Christianity to another aka Islam and its minute sub-branches in those locations.
But in India, there a good match of Hindu and non-Hindu population so as to offer both an attractive number of potential followers, as well a large number of agents and support-base to carry on the mission of Allah or God. And most importantly, just as India is known to have produced the greatest legends of history, the soil is also very fertile for birth and nurture of traitors who take pride in self-immolation. What else could have ensured that destruction of a symbol of shame erected by a compulsive homosexual pedophile mass murderer and drug-addict called Babur becomes such a great issue in this country instead of being an event of pride! Refer Babri Masjid demolition. And then the impotent leadership coupled with loose controls ensure that any other Ajmal or Afzal can easily siphon in men, money, RDX and everything else needed to reduce proportion of Hindus, very easily. I can keep adding one reason after another. But that is not the purpose of this article.
To summarize, India offers the best climate to grow new followers for any foreign religion. Now religious Conversion is a very smart game. A large number of strategies are used with varied combination to achieve the goal of only one religion. One of the greatest ploys used these days for mass-level conversion activities by those wanting all Hindus to embrace only Bible or only Quran is to showcase that Hinduism is the most obscene religion in world. Not that this ploy was not being used so far. But in recent times, this particular tactic has become much more prominent for a variety of reasons which are not relevant to be discussed here for sake of brevity.
Now when a lover of Bible or ‘Quran+Hadiths combo’ alleges that Hinduism is full of obscenities, nothing can be more laughable! Because if one has to rate the most vulgar books being seriously followed to last letter, these two are bound to take the top two positions. One can browse through countless articles on these topics on sites like jesusallah.wordpress.com and many other sites to know more on this. But shameless as they are, these conversion viruses would not even wink an eye in duping masses in the delusion that if they bring more and more followers by hook or crook, they would get more and more luxuries/ virgins in Paradise.
But this is a very serious issue today. Huge number of Hindus, ignorant of their true Dharma, and duped by internal as well as external frauds, eventually end up starting to hate Hinduism due to this false propaganda. For them Hinduism is nothing more than vulgar love-making scenes between Radha and Krishna, worship of male organ in form of Shiva Linga, Vishnu and Shiva raping women, Mohini seducing Shiva, Brahma having relation with her daughter Saraswati etc etc. We have come across pamphlets being circulated these days across India showcasing these obscenities in Hinduism and appealing Hindus to embrace foreign religions to worship Only true God and achieve true salvation. More and more Hindus are starting to hate their foundations and even those who love Hinduism are not sure as how to explain these stories and defend their Dharma. And existence of communist sickulars only adds to this mess.
The objective of this article is to put all these allegations in right perspective and offer a toolkit to all Dharma lovers to be able to defend the truth and counter the false propaganda.
1. The very first point to ascertained even before delving into each allegation of obscenity is whether that comes under the purview of Dharma in first place? The concept of Dharma in Hinduism is completely different from blind belief system of Quran or Bible. The universal definition of Dharma accepted across ALL sections of Hinduism is the 11 fold path as propounded in Manu Smriti 6.92: Non-violence, Patience, Forgiving, Self-control, Non-Stealing, Purity, Control of Sense and Work organs, Intellect, Knowledge seeking, Truthfulness, Non-Anger. This has been further elaborated in Vedic Religion in Brief.
ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT TRANSGRESSES OR VIOLATES THIS 11 FOLD PATH IS NOT HINDU DHARMA OR HINDUISM.
2. The second touchstone of Dharma is Vedas. All Hindu texts very clearly and unambiguously mention that Vedas are the ultimate evidence. So ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AGAINST VEDAS IS NOT DHARMA.
Basically the above two touchstones are one and same but from slightly different perspectives.
3. The same touchstone is elaborated in a slightly different manner in Yam and Niyam of Yoga Darshan:
Yam – Non-violence, Truth, Non-Stealing, Brahmacharya (Self-control and NON-obscenity), Non-Hoarding
Niyam – Purity, Contentment, Putting strong efforts, Self-study or self-evaluation, Dedication to All Supreme.
So again, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AGAINST YAM AND NIYAM IS NOT DHARMA.
4. Having defined these basic touchstones, which are accepted by all sections of Hinduism, answering these allegations become much simpler. Because now our stand is very clear – We do not defend them, we simply REJECT them.
Q: How do you then explain the vulgar stories in our texts as alleged by these conversion activists and sickulars?
A:
1. None of these stories appear in Vedas which form the foundation of Hindu Dharma.
2. Most of these stories appear in Purans or Ramayan or Mahabharat. Now except Vedas, NO OTHER book is considered to be divine in Hinduism. Further all these Purans or Ramayan or Mahabharat are NOT spared from adulterations in last 1000 years of foreign rule by perverts who had the singular agenda of destroying the cultural foundations of this country. So these texts can be taken authentic ONLY to extent they agree with Vedas. Rest is simply adulteration and has to be rejected. And it is ACTUALLY rejected by Hindus in practice.
Q: Can you explain how you claim that these texts have been subject to adulterations?
A: There are several evidences. For example:
1. Bhavishya Puran contains stories of Akbar, Victoria, Muhammad, Jesus etc. It has shlokas talking of Sunday, Monday etc. However these stories stop in late 19th century when printing became popular. This very clearly shows that shlokas continued to be added in this book.
2. Geeta Press Gorakhpur publishes Ramayan and Mahabharat and has marked a large number of shlokas as adulterated because they appear clearly out of context.
3. Interestingly Mahabharat 265.9.4 Shantiparva even claims that fraud people have added verses that talk of wine, meat-eating, vulgarity to demean the vedic religion.
4. Garud Puran Brahmakand 1.59 states that Mahabharat is being distorted to show vulgarity in Vedic Dharma.
etc etc.
Even a cursory reading of these texts is sufficient to make us realize the amount of adulterations that these books have been subject to. Further many of these stories have been mistranslated to suit the designs of fraud conversion viruses and their carriers.
Q: How can you claim that these texts do not form part of our Dharma?
A: I did not say that these texts do not form part of our Dharma. I said that they form part of our Dharma ONLY to extent that they agree with Vedas. The evidence is in society itself:
1. No one takes the new unabridged Purans seriously (except a very few people who have nothing to do with Hinduism and only want to showcase their supremacy on basis of a fake birth-based caste system. Actually these people are biggest hands-in-glove partners of conversion viruses who destroy from inside). The mainstream Hindu population or even their leaders do not even know the name of all Purans. It is difficult to get complete versions of Purans etc today.
ONLY ABRIDGED VERSIONS or SELECT PASSAGES from these books are available for mainstream population. So ask for Ramayan, and most Hindus will give you Ramcharitmanas. Ask for Mahabharat, and they will give you Geeta. Ask for Purans, and they will at best give you compilations of moral stories from these books. Which means that Hindus agree to these books ONLY to extent that they are moral and as per Vedas.
They may make mistakes due to ignorance, but goal is always to preach and practice within ambit of Vedic religion.
Q: Then why do Hindus worship Radha-Krishna and Shiva Linga if they reject the vulgar stories behind them?
A: No, Hindus don’t worship these entities in the sense that conversion viruses want us to interpret.
1. Hindus are basically simple people who easily trust others. That is why they got fooled by foreign invaders for centuries. So, the first instinct of a typical Hindu is to trust others. Unlike a typical Zakir-type Muslim who is trained to mistrust people unless they follow Quran and Rasul and nomadic Arabic traditions, a typical Hindu would trust any other person merely because he or she is a human being. This trustworthiness is a great strength but also a great weakness, especially when you are living in an area where there are too many mosquitoes flying around spreading dengue and malaria.
So like Agniveer site, Hinduism has been quite vulnerable to hacking and virus attacks. It is time that instead of trying to maintain the same site that has become prone to future virus attacks, we rebuild it from scratch keeping the same content but hardening the security policies to defend ourselves from future attacks and eradicate existing viruses.
2. Due to simple nature of Hinduism, Hindus have traditionally not been over-critical. They adopted and adapted worship methods over a period of time to seek goodness from everywhere. It is a different matter that they did not even realize that in the process they have drifted so far from original source and have become virus prone.
3. Radha means Success. There is a mantra in Yajurveda 1.5 that seeks Radha or Success from Ishwar to be able to stay resolved in accepting truth and rejecting false. Now Krishna was an icon of such a resolve in his life. Someone somewhere down the line symbolized this Radha (or success) in form of idols. The goal was noble, but in process we drifted from core foundations of Ishwar worship. Soon creativity kept being added, the Radha became a woman, stories were written to demean Krishna with a non-wife woman and the game continued. Simple Hindus continue to worship Radha Krishna even today with same pure feeling, completely unaware of the distortions that have happened in the process. Ask any Hindu about the scripture which talks of Radha and he will become silent. Hardly any Hindu knows about it. Now Radha does not appear in either Mahabharat or Harivansh or Bhagwat or any other authoritative text, to cite an example.
To a typical Hindu, Radha is symbol of purity even though he does not know why and how. Had Radha-Krishna relation been obscene in minds of Hindus, that obscenity would have been reflected in lives of Radha worshippers. But Krishna worshippers are monogamous, often Brahmacharis and avoid free mingling with opposite gender. Thus, for all practical matters, HINDUS REJECT ALL FALSE STORIES AND ALL FALSE BOOKS ON RADHA AND KRISHNA.
4. Shiva Linga means Sign of Purity. It started with an attempt to create idol of a Deepak. Now many Hatha Yogi practice concentration on tip of Deepak flame. The flame flickers due to wind. Hence an idol was created to practice concentration. Then some pervert imagined reproductive organs in the idol and created false stories. Gullible Hindus started worshipping this idol as symbol of purity completely unaware of mystery behind. A typical Hindu is not interested to know why and how. He simply accepts things at face value and tries to accept goodness from everywhere. No Hindu has ever read Shiva Puran and other texts associated with Shiva Linga. He simply goes to Shiva temple to offer his pure feelings to Ishwar. Period. Thus, for all practical matters, HINDUS REJECT ALL FALSE STORIES AND ALL FALSE BOOKS ON SHIVA LINGA.
5. Hindus basically believe that same truth is approached by different scholars in different manners. They thus easily admit anyone as scholar and start following him as well in illusion that they are only seeking goodness. So we have Hindus going to Ajmer Sharif to worship even a traitor who sided with Muhammad Ghori to defeat Prithviraj Chauhan. They would worship grave of Afzal Khan who was killed by Shivaji, the Great for his loots and rapes. The basic drive that propels Hindus to every form of worship is very honorable – to seek goodness from all side.
But as I said, unless you apply medical ointment, take pills and carry all precautions of not eating and drinking without being careful, it is very easy to catch Dengue in New Delhi today. The Commonwealth drama is not going to help and in fact make situations worse due to dug-up roads, congestion and dirty-water accumulation. Similarly, despite the hype that variety of small and big cults create, unless we stick to our basics of Vedas, take strong measures, and be careful it is easy to be infected the way Hindu society has become today.
In summary, Hindus worship only goodness. They seek this goodness in whatever form of worship it comes. They do not care about stories behind it. They do not bother about genesis and conspiracies behind these modes of worship, and simply seek goodness. Hence while Hindus should be very careful, it is also true that these stories and these books DO NOT FORM PART OF PRACTICAL OR THEORITICAL HINDUISM.
Q: What about stories of Brahma having relation with his daughter and Shiva running after Mohini?
A: Again, the answer is same. These are NOT part of Hinduism. They appear in no Vedas. In fact there are no stories in Vedas of this nature. And unlike Islam and Christianity, Hindu Dharma has NO place for stories. Hindu Dharma is based ONLY on concepts and ideas. Stories keep changing from time to time, they may get changed, manipulated, distorted, forgotten, rewritten or whatever. But Dharma is SANATAN which means ETERNAL. It was same always in past and remain so in future.
Q: So you mean Ram, Krishna, Vishnu do not form Hinduism?
A: Ram, Krishna, Vishnu, Shankar, Brahma etc are not Hindu Dharma. They were instead FOLLOWERS of Vedic Dharma. They were legends and role models. We admire them because they exhibited great examples worth being followed. They exemplified Vedas in action. Such role models are necessary to inspire and instill direction in masses. But Dharma is eternal, as explained earlier. Billions of years from now, there may be another set of role models being followed. Before Krishna or Ram took birth, there would have been another set of role models and no one knew about Ram or Krishna. But Dharma was STILL existing. This eternal Vedic Dharma is Hinduism. And because Ram, Krishna, Vishnu followed this Vedic Dharma to perfection, they are integral part of our culture, inspiration, thoughts and resolutions.
Q: You are being tactful. I thought you would analyze each story of obscenity and explain why it is not obscene. You are instead refusing to even accept that these form part of Hinduism.
A: I am simply being honest. And Hinduism is not like Islam where a false Quran that contains stories of personal matters of Muhammad are also to be justified. Quran and Hadiths contain stories on why Muhammad married Aisha when she was kid, why he desired to marry his daughter-in-law and in fact had relation with him without marrying (claiming that marriage happened in heaven), why there are special rights for Prophet to marry more than normal Muslim etc etc. Neither are these stories relevant till end of the world to justify being part of what is touted as final book of Allah, nor they contain noble examples. But instead of rejecting these verses as falsehood to safeguard the character of Muhammad, fanatic Muslims try to justify these vulgar verses and in process demean the noble character of Muhammad.
Similarly Christians instead of agreeing that Bible contains fake stories, would justify why Jesus alone is savior of world.
Hinduism is based on much stronger foundations that cannot be shaken by petty stories. Instead of showing us false stories which we already have rejected, show us what is wrong in Vedic Religion in brief
You cannot show anything wrong, and that is why we claim that Vedic Religion or Hinduism is the only worthwhile religion to be embraced.
Its a pity that despite all this, those justifying every letter of vulgar texts like false Quran and fake Bible are brazen enough to point fingers on eternal Sanatan Vedic Hindu Dharma.
Q: What about vulgarity in Vedas?
A: Show me a single vulgar verse in Vedas? Show me one single episode of obscenity in all the 4 Vedas. Now don’t start citing translations of Griffith or Max Muller who were basically conversion ‘viruses’. Explain with word meanings why any verse in Vedas is to be considered Vulgar. No one has dared to showcase a single verse so far. At best people have copy-pasted some crazy translation by some pervert without going further to explain how they came to such ridiculous meanings!
For clarity of all, there is absolutely no vulgarity or nothing unscientific or nothing irrational in all the 4 vedas.
Q: But Hindus follow festivals from Purans associated with these vulgar stories. How can then to dissociate Hinduism from these vulgar stories?
A: Again a childish argument. Festivals is a social phenomenon inspired from Dharma and not Dharma themselves. Festivals and their methods change in every 2 kilometers in India and in fact this diversity is encouraged so far it is as per Vedas. Hindus follow festivals as social events to showcase respect to great role models and resolve to do good. The form of festival observance has always varied from time to time, place to place and society to society. At times they have even got distorted. But this has nothing to do with Dharma which remains eternal.
When we celebrate festivals, we do not recite any of these vulgar stories. We on contrary to this, observe much more self-control on these days to shower our respect and commitment.
Q: But then why are these stories part of your culture then?
A: Who said that these stories are part of our culture? Now traditionally birth-based Brahmins have been closest to religious texts. So if these stories were to be integral part of our culture, how can anyone explain that:
1. These Brahmins (I am referring to birth-based Brahmins here and subsequently in this part of article) have been the most monogamous community of not only India but world.
2. These Brahmins have observed celibacy and self-control to levels that are considered abnormal by Arabic mindsets.
3. No Brahmin ever conducted a single Yajna in Kashi or Mathura that is vulgar, violent or obscene.
4. No Brahmin has kept concubines or performed incest as claimed in these false stories.
Instead these stories have either been rejected, or ignored, or interpreted allegorically within purview of Vedic Dharma as described in first 4 points.
Q: But so many news come of fraud gurus in sex-scandal?
A: Had all this nonsense been part of Hindu Dharma, these news would not have been called scandals. The moment a guru is exposed in such deeds, he is subject to harshest condemnation by society as is case with any criminal. If Hindu dharma was or is obscene, then these news would not have hit headlines and would have been most rampant in society!. For example, it does not make a news when an Imam in Iran does Mutah or temporary marriage because Mutah is integral part of the religion there.
Just as one cannot say that Islam justifies women participating in bikini show merely because one Arabic women won Miss America this year, similarly deeds of a fake guru have nothing to do with Hindu Dharma. On contrary, the fact that he is condemned for his misdeeds show that Hindu Dharma has nothing to do with this perversion.
Q: But Muslims also do not follow all that you condemn in your site. Why do you follow double standards then?
A: Kindly read my articles carefully. I have never ever condemned Muslims in general or Muhammad. I have only condemned the new Quran and Hadiths. And I condemn those clergies or fanatics who claim that each letter of this new Quran and Hadiths is final and perfect. If these fanatics, instead state that all those verses in Quran or Hadiths which are found to be objectionable (obscene, demeaning to Muhammad, justify sex-slavery, call women as half-intelligent, say that non-Muslims will go to Hell, justify marriage with a woman with whose daughter one had physical relation, do not outrightly ban slavery etc etc) are NOT part of Islam and worth being rejected, then there is absolutely no objection to Islam. In fact, it becomes a branch of Vedic Dharma if all the Hadiths and objectionable Quranic verses are rejected.
Q: Your theory is strange. You justify whatever Hindus do and yet reject all these stories that form basis of what Hindus do.
A:
1. I do not justify whatever Hindus do. Had there been no loopholes in practices of Hindus in general, how could barbaric foreign cults have dared to enter Bharat. Certainly there were gaps between the actual Hindu Dharma of Vedas and what we started following out of ignorance.
2. But these gaps point at faults of the followers and not the Hindu Dharma itself. I agree with Zakir Naik on one point – do not judge a car by its driver but its engine. Similarly, judge Hinduism by Vedas and its core tenets and not its followers in general or fake stories invented later.
3. Yes, there are loopholes in practices of Hindus (in general) today considering the prevailing situations. Some of them are
- birth-based caste system in whatever broken form it is
- neglect of Vedas and Vedic Dharma which is our foundation
- tendency to take everyone at face value and trusting them too easily
- tendency to shirk away from fighting falsehood with iron hand
- passive attitude towards rising menace like Love Jehad, conversion virus, sickular mindsets etc
- not spending much time in trying to discover the roots of our Dharma and its essence
etc
We definitely strive to get rid of these to safeguard our religion from virus attacks and approach of Vedic ideals.
4. BUT, regardless of these, one point is clear – THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO VULGARITY IN HINDU DHARMA or even mindsets of Hindus when they observe Dharma in whatever way they do. They may be misled, they may be ignorant, they may be gullible, they may not be overtly critical, they may be bit too straight but THEY ARE NOT OBSCENE. THEY ARE NOT VULGAR in matters of Dharma.
There may be people who get into obscenities – like film stars or their bhakts – but there is nothing Hindu about it.
The challenge from Agniveer to all those who want to showcase obscenity in Hinduism is to prove that Vedas are obscene. Or the characteristics of Dharma listed in very first 3 points of article are obscene. Trying to highlight isolated stories from obscure texts that no Hindu takes seriously will not work. Because Hinduism itself rejects anything that is vulgar regardless of its source or origin. So these promoters of false propaganda should shut down baseless sites and instead create list of passages from their own religious texts (that they consider to be full and final to last letter) which should be rejected so as to claim their religion as “not obscene”.
Q: Vedas, Vedas, Vedas. You seem to be obsessed with Vedas. What about those cults who do not consider Vedas to be divine. And what about Geeta and Upanishads?
A:
1. Please review the Vedic Religion in Brief. And also review the 11 fold Dharma mentioned earlier. These are adopted by everyone including those cults who do not consider Vedas to be divine.
2. Even the cults whom you would claim to apparently reject Vedas were actually following Vedas by rejecting malpractices in name of Vedas and not Vedas themselves.
3. Vedas themselves do not force, like Quran or Bible, to consider them as divine texts to achieve some fictitious paradise. All they say is that one should accept truth and reject false and through this process truth will continue to become clearer. I consider Vedas to be divine because I have reasons and justifications for that. But someone who does not believe so is also following Vedas, if he does so to best of his understanding and intentions and free from prejudices.
4. Geeta and Upanishads are marvelous texts. Geeta is basically elaboration of 40th Chapter of Yajurved. The 11 major Upanishads are tonic for intellectual mind. So are 6 darshans and host of other scriptures. We admire them because, and only to extent they comply with Vedas. For example, Allopanishad is considered a fraud Upanishad designed by some conversion virus.
5. In any case, what is obscene that you find about Geeta and Upanishads? Instead of wasting time in proving obscenity in Hinduism someway or the other, study Chapter 2 and 3 of Geeta or 17 mantras of Ishopanishad and you will attain true Paradise here itself. Become Vedic because Vedas alone is Dharma.
As for Hindus, I repeat the cornerstone of Hinduism: ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT IS AGAINST VEDAS IS NOT DHARMA.
Hence, Hinduism stands for morality, purity and character alone.
All partiotic Hindus should promote this Vedic foundation of Hinduism far and wide so that we can effectively combat the threats of conversion viruses.
Agniveer site was hacked. But we can’t afford to have our Dharma hacked by perverts of foreign crap of intolerance and deceit which was never part of our culture.
Nanyah Panthah Vidyate Anayaya (Yajurved 31.18)
There is no other way!
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who so ever you are its better to stop these kind of articles …. you are creating more confusion among readers. please for God sake don’t defend on illogical reasoning. your intention of defending hindu dharma is understandable but don’t over do things . If you wana do something just stop misguiding people and teach whats good and don’t compare or write anything about other faiths . If you will behave like a hindu fanatic people will call you Sickular . hindu dharma believes in sarva dharma sambhav and vasudeva kutumbhkam . that should be the aim of every hindu follower.
by keeping a feeling of hatred towards other faith you are deviating from the path of dharma . We all know there are 109 verses in quran written against infidels but that doesn’t mean we harm the message of other verses. we must fight ruthlessly against people who follow hatred and we must defend our religion and culture but we must not start criticizing people as a whole .
Just ignoring people who spread these kinds of vulgar things about our divine religion is what we must aim at.. don’t start looking and searching for text with by which you can defend yourself … hinduism is a great religion which has given numerous other faiths like budhism , jainism , Sikhism etc.
our victory is in following our own faith and religion with truthfulness and devotion. we must not get intimidated by people who say bad words about our faith. we must be firm followers our own faith that is what we must aim at . when it comes to fighting for righteousness we must unite and fight a fearsome battle to defend our faith. but don’t create stories own your own to defend our religion you are harming it more than others.
I hope you understand what i am talking about and you will withdraw this article
OM NAMAH SHIVAYA
@ravi kumar upta
“We all know there are 109 verses in quran written against infidels but that doesn’t mean we harm the message of other verses”
Same way, you can ignore those stories, which (I could not find any though), you feel are not relevant for you, but that does not mean you should harm the other messages of the article by giving the suggestion of removing it!
@ravi kumar upta
❶Dharma is about accepting Truth and rejecting Falsity..It’s not about APPEASEMENT or sweeping the dirt inside the carpet
❷Those 119 verses of quran which you are treating as a joke have cost the lives of 80 million hindus in the past and is the reason why Kashmiri Hindus live in refugee camps in their own country even today
❸TOLERANCE is NOT about tolerating intolerance
❹ Nobody can deny the destruction of tens of thousands of Hindu temples at the hands of Islamic Ghazis ..Have you FOUND a SINGLE MUSLIM who is ashamed of this historical fact ..you would only find muslims praying for babri masjid to be again built as a symbol of pride !
❺This site is dedicated to fearless analysis of the ills of religions ..HINDUISM INCLUDED!
❻What is your specific objection to this article apart from the fact that it states a bitter Truth? Islam has cost us 60,000 lives in recent times ..and here you are telling us that it’s improper to investigate this doctrine ..but why am i telling you this ..you seem to be so comfortable with those verses which ask a muslim to hate ,slay and harm the non-muslims..and since you are both …an accidental hindu and a non-victim of those verses ..you are game with such billegernt hatred that even goes against our constitution.
BY THE WAY HAVE YOU AS A HINDU CONVEYED THE SAME SENTIMENTS TO ZAKIR NAIK (irf) WHO STARTED THIS COMPARISION IN THE FIRST PLACE ..I BET NOT!
the 80 millions hindus u r talking about is written by k.s lal, if any muslim/christian write a book today saying hindus killed 1 billion people will you agree with that, your own rulers were cruel to lower caste.
read the book haqeeqat by m.g matthew
@yeah me
since you have surrendered you morals to a barbarian ideology, you miss the point altogether.
forget K.S.Lal, here’s what Will Durant the great historian of his times writes about the Islamic Ghazis in his ‘Story of Civilization)
“The Mahammedan conquest of India was probably the BLOODIEST story in histoty.”
and he sums up the Impact of barbarian cults on a peaceful civilization is the best way
‘It is a discouraging tale for the evident moral is that civilisalion is a precarious thing whose- delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace, may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or MULTIPLYING WITHIN.”
source:http://www.archive.org/stream/indiaundermuslin00vasuuoft#page/n14/mode/1up/search/bloodiest
The fact that you have become insensitive to the atrocities committed on our people by Islamic Ghazis tells a lot about the impact of Islam on the human mind and morals and compassion.
So the invasion is well over ..but the multiplying within HAS NOT.
@Yeah me,
the facts of the atrocities of Islamic Ghazis is documented not by any christian or hindu or jew..they are documented by the Ghazis or their muslim chroniclers themselves.. from Tarikh-Yemeni of Utbi to the anecdotes of aurangzeb.
Anyways , i would still request you to search the rational mind within you …you cling on to this forced religion by giving up THIS? :
“In religion, India is the only millionaire – the One land that all men desire to see, and having seen once, by even a glimpse, would not give that glimpse for all the shows of all the rest of the globe combined” – Mark Twain
“In India, I found a race of mortals living upon the Earth, but not adhering to it, inhabiting cities, but not being fixed to them, possessing everything, but possessed by nothing” – Apollonius Tynaeus
OR DO YOU KNOW HOW TO SPREAD MORALS AND VALUES TO THE WORLD ?
“India Conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries WITHOUT ever having to send A SINGLE SOLDIER across her border”-Hu Shih
This rich culture belongs to YOU(assuming you are an Indian) ..some Saudi nuts( who by the way treat you like trash in their own countries) have done a marvelous job of creating this zombie out of you who has forgettten his great culture, forgotten the barbarian way an alien faith was forced upon us and is now hell bent on opposing whatever remains of that great culture.
WILL DURANT WAS VERY CORRECT WITH HIS OBSERVATION..that civilizations are destroyed by barbarians invading from without AND MULTIPLYING FROM WITHIN.
wake up bro ..the world praises our culture and history and philosophy …it respects us for never being marauders and looters and inhuman towards others …and you are giving up all this just because you are ill-read on the history of islam in India?
that’s no excuse bro..may you come back to the right path ..not of RELIGION but of HUMANITY and SPRITUALITY
regards
Hey! Brother
One must accept that there is for a simple logic that we must understand behind what agniveer says:
Who told you that Indians that we were cruel to lower castes because of our dharma
We knew that whoever is in power now exploit poor
As politician make fool out of poor people
This system was actually aimed for to strengthen the society and unity all over Bharatavarsha
But then the powerful one misinterpreted this and started caste system to it’s mayhem
Didn’t muslim divided in over 100 shia sunni quaddani sufi.wahhabi..and so sos
Even they kill each other
Then you should check what Muhammad did himself he raped kid deceit and violence were his instruments to establish Islam.
And this is after we knew that there is no change in Islamic texts till now
Whereas Hindu texts were distorted till 20th century
Either way if you say they were not then in those literature’s there is mention of mohammad as a demon.
Will you except that
The vedas indicate that the language of the scriptures are of three types: samadhi – which means that they are de facto explanations of what happened: kind of like a raw news feed, or a historical explanation that one deems is as factual as is possible.
The second is guhya bhasha – allegorical language whose real meaning is hidden though it is in plain sight. So as to ensure that philosophical insights go only to those who are interested, and are inquisitive, guhya bhAsha is used – the others, who are content with only the story-telling part of it, are also entertained, going back home after being entertained. When presented with a deeper meaning, the latter go either “lolwut” or “shuryukan” and move on. The former, however, dig deeper and find a treasure trove of psychological and sociological insights.
I know that this sounds sketchy unless I give you an example. Consider the Pandavas: five brothers. Allegorically, they represent the five aspects of consciousness: manas (desire), buddhi (intellect), ahankAra (ego), chitta (memory), chetana (higher-memory…this is a whole another book if I start to explain, but these two memories are like the RAM and the ROM of the computer…the RAM has information of one lifetime, and the ROM, of all lifetimes). Yudhistira represents the ego, Bhimasena the intellect, Arjuna, the desire (or heart), Nakula the memory, and sahadeva, the higher-memory.
So taking those completely true will be stupidity
As they were for to explain the same way we are told of story of good person to indict moral values in children
Similarly Muhammad as per what he did could not be a messenger of god
Why Mohammed was not a prophet:
One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He raped kid and slave.He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. The prophet Muhammad sanctioned a temporary marriage—sigheh in Iran and muta’a in Iraq— which can provide a legitimizing cover
Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty.
Our Muslim brethren say that the eloquence of the Qur’an, the supremacy of its language and the beauty of its expression are conclusive evidence that the Qur’an is the Word of God because the inimitability of the Qur’an lies in its beautiful style of the Arabic language. We acknowledge that the Qur’an (in some of its parts and chapters) has been written in an eloquent style and impressive words. This fact is beyond any doubt and anyone who denies that does not have any taste for the Arabic language. Yet, on the other hand, we say that there are many clear language errors in other parts of the Qur’an pertaining to the simplest principles of style, literary expression and the well-known grammatical rules of the Arabic language and its expression.
We even find in the Qur’an many words which do not have any meaning and are not found in any language. There is also a great deal of vocabulary which no one can understand. Muhammad’s companions themselves have acknowledged that, as we will see, but before we examine all these issues, I would like to clarify two important points.
First, from a linguistic point of view, the eloquence of any book cannot be an evidence of the greatness of the book and proof that it was revealed by God, because what is important to God is not to manifest His power in the eloquence of style and the expressive forcefulness of the classical Arabic language, but rather to embody His power in the sublime spiritual meaning contained in that book which will lead the people to a high spiritual level which enables them to live together in peace and love. It helps them to enjoy an internal profound joy and spiritual, psychological fullness—abundant life. God does not care to teach the people of the Earth the rules and the principles of the Arabic language. God is not a teacher of a fading classical Arabic language, but the true living God is our spiritual leader in life of love and joy.
Is the content of the Qur’an properly fit to be ascribed to God? All that we intend to do here is to determine that eloquence of style is not always an evidence that the words uttered come from heaven or that the one who has spoken them is a prophet. The German poet Schiller is not a prophet, and the Iliad and the Odessa are not composed by a prophet but rather by a Greek poet. The masterpieces of Shakespeare’s poems and plays in English literature which are translated and published more than the Qur’an by ten fold have not compelled the British to say that the angel Gabriel is the one who revealed them to Shakespeare.
The second very significant point is that the eloquence of the Qur’an and the supremacy of the classical Arabic language in which the Qur’an is written have created difficulty in reading and understanding, even for the Arabs themselves. So what would we say about the non-Arabs even if they learn the Arabic language? The Qur’an will continue to be a problem for them because it is not sufficient for a person to learn the Arabic language to be able to read the Qur’an. He also has to study the literature of the Arabic language thoroughly. Thus, we find that the majority of Arabs themselves do not understand the classical language of the Qur’an which contains hundreds of words which confused Muhammad’s companions who mastered the language but failed to explain their meanings, along with many other words which even Muhammad’s companions could not comprehend.
and so more of it
I could just say that why was not allah revealed to all other portion of world
Adam eve al are rejected by science
We know that civilization is 10000 yrs old so how can be world created 6000 yrs ago
how can sun revolve around earth when we all knew what is true
In heart we all know the truth that religion is false
Vedas for sure if understood correctly guide us in true direction but we can create our own way and direction to be a good human
I reject kuran bible for their contents
I admire jesus as a person but than that’s it all those stories i don’t believe in
So better to understand and keep yourself out of islam and barrier of religion instead call humanity as your religion and have your name from any part you like
God didn’t created religion
But man did
So, defy religion
But never defy God
Thanks yaar
@ravi kumar upta
dear brother,
we cannot simply just ignore all these foolish stories propagated by muslims. Our ignorance will simply give them more strength. Thats like saying, our website is being hacked, so lets not take further steps and simply ignore those hacks. Later on, our site will lose all its data and everything else will be destroyed. So have you seen where you logic leads you to? Its our job to clarify all these misconceptions and propagate truth to these ignorant people who talk stories without any basis. Any vulgarity associated with any portion of hinduism should be rejected on the spot, we cannot accept anything that does not follow Vedic principles as moral.
Dear TOTAGATO,
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Agnivesh is just opposite of Agniveerji. Agnivesh is a new avtar of ‘Jaychand’.
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OM.
SUPERB article.
I have no words to describe the brilliance of this article — basic, and simple facts that ANYONE can understand. The one thing that stands out is that there is no bitterness or sense of antagonism towards other faiths… instead, simply the facts about the SANATAN DHARMA are being stated.
What’s beautiful is the point that followers of SANATAN DHARMA do NOT look to justify the unjustifiable — instead, we REJECT IT OUTRIGHT. I think that sums up things nicely.
I thank the Agniveer team for helping me to (re)discover of the truth. Upon the Agniveer ji’s recommendation (in other articles), I have ordered many books from http://www.vedicbooks.net — and my life is increasingly getting better by the day. Desire and greed for money has vanished, but by simply doing my best to follow the PERFECT principles of the Vedas, everything seems to be automatically improving for me — money, family unity, good results in all things, and basically, everything.
The Vedas are absolutely perfect, and obscenity is out of the question. As Agniveer said, all detractors are challenged to find just ONE example of obscenity in the Vedas! The Vedas are the original source of knowledge and DHARMA, and that is why I choose SANATAN DHARMA as how I want to live my life.
May the Eternal Truth continue to purify our minds! OM.
Namaste
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Dear brother we all know it is kali yug, i think it is our exam time. We should be careful so that we may not get trapped by 6 ripus (kam, krodh, lov, moho, mad, matsarya). We should believe only true vedic religion. We must win, our condition will be the best. If you carefully analize islam & cristianity you notice islam & cristianity anyhow justify those 6 ripus so people attracted those false religion because in that religion they can fulfill their bad desire. But truth is truth, it is harsh it does not give any false assurance to us. So greedy people leave vedic religion. We know truth shall prevail. Islam & cristianity must be wiped out from the world in the passage of time. only vedic religion will win. So don’t be trapped try to know about our vedic religion. We must win, we must win
Namaste agniveer Ji … Great article once again …
Would they ship the books to Australia if I buy it from http://www.vedicbooks.com ?
@Sunny
Yes brother, they will send you the books. Just send them an email and get it confirmed.
lol this seems to be a frustration when cannot answer anything, the only answer agniveer wrote is ”its not part of hinduism” anyone can say that to escape the topic why dont you debate truthofhinduism.com team or any of the author of that site. the hindu scripture allows a brahmin to have sex with any woman without marriage so don’t try to put your dirt into other religions
and this is also a good trick, and i see some comments of chamchas saying ”wah wah” on this baseless article, agniveer why did u post this article on the day of muslim festival is it because they will be busy and they will not read this article, if i refute any claim my comment will be deleted and then you will claim you won the debate.
WHICH IS MORE EVIL TO BURN A RELIGIOUS BOOK OR TO COMMAND THE BURNING AND SLAUGHTER OF THE FOLLOWERS OF OTHER RELIGIONS?
The prophet Muhammad is known for his hatred towards Christians and Jews. He called them apes and pigs and ordered their slaughter and in one case he commaded his Mujahideen fighters to burn them with fire.
While Osama bin Zayd, preparing his troops to invade the Christian lands, the prophet Muhammad commanded him saying, “attack them in the darkness of the dawn and fall on them killing and burn them with fire and invade them and return with the booty.” Those words of the prophet Muhammad could be found in the most authentic Islamic books which are known as the Mothers of the Islamic Books and approved by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif University. Just to mention few of them (Ibn Habib in al-Mahabir p 117, Ibn Kathir in al-Bedaiah wa al-Nihaiah p 139, 143, Ibn Said al-Nas in ‘Auion al-Atharig p 145, al-Suhili in Rawd Alanif p 24, Ibn Hisham p 245, and al-Tabari in Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Milook p 156).
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jiziyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low” [Another translation says] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
Bukhari: V5 hadith no. 727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘that is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”
The Slaughter of the Jewish tribe of Bani Qurizah,
Muhammad: Oh brothers of monkeys and pigs
The trembling Jews replied: Oh Abu al-Qasim, you have not been a bad man!! (Ibid; 392, quoting from Ibn Kathir, al-Bedayia p. 120).
The prophet called out to them: Oh brothers of monkeys. Does Allah disappointed you and send on you his curse?
The Qurizah understood the message and replied in fear: Oh Abi al-Qasim, you have not been an ignorant man (Ibid, quoting from al-Bihaqi, al-Tarikh p. 582).
The Jews of Qurizah continued to plead with Muhammad `and beg him to send to them one of their allies, a man by the name of Abi Libabah bin Abd al-Nuziar al-Awasi.
When Abi Libabah entered their garrison, the men rose, the women wept, and the children cried to him. When he saw them he had pity on them.
They said to him: oh Abi Libabah, do you think we should go out for the judgment of Muhammad?
He said, yes, and then he passed his finger across his neck, which means, the slaughter.
Then their leader, Ka’ab bin Asaad said to his people: Let us follow Muhammad and believe in him.
They replied: We will not leave the judgment of the Torah forever.
He said to them: Then let us kill our children and women and go out to Muhammad.
They said: Shall we kill these harmless children and women? What is the good of life after them? (Al-Qimni 2004: 393-394, quoting from al-Tabari p. 583).
Finally the men of Bani Qurizah decided to go out and meet Muhammad hoping that the other Medinian tribes would intercede with the Prophet and request him to send them with their women and children out of Yathrib as he did before with the other two Jewish tribes. As soon as the Jewish men emerged out of their garrison, the prophet ordered his men to bind them with ropes and march them in a long queue (Ibid: 394, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 583). Then the prophet asked his men to dig many ditches inside the city (Ibid). After so many pleadings from the leaders of the Medinian tribes of al-Khaziriq and al-Awas, Muhammad agreed that Sa’ad bin Mu’aaz should decide the fate of the Jews (Ibid, quoting from al-Tabari p. 586).
Al-Tabari narrated that Sa’ad bin Mu’aaz was dying. During the siege of the city, an arrow hit his hand and caused a cut on one of his nerves. The prophet tried to heal him by heating a nail and burning the nerve. In doing that Muhammad thought the bleeding would stop. However, the burning nail worsened the cut and caused the nerve to swell. When the Prophet repeated the same treatment the nerve exploded (Ibid: 395). In his dying state Sa’ad was carried to the Prophet. When Muhammad saw him he ordered the Jews to stand to their Master. “When Sa’ad was put down by his carriers the prophet asked him to judge on them. He said, I judge on them that the men should be put to death, their wealth divided, and their women distributed as jawari among the Muslims. The prophet said to him, you have judged on them with the judgment of Allah that has been given to you from seven heavens” (Ibid: 395, quoting al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 586).
The horrifying slaughter was described by al-Tabari as follows:
They brought first the enemy of Allah, Huaya bin Akhatab, while his hands were bound to his neck by a rope. (Huaya was the father of Safiya bint Huaya whom the Prophet killed her husband and brother and took her as his wife). When Huaya saw the Messenger of Allah, he said to him, I swear by God, I have never blamed myself for your enmity. Then, Huaya turned to the people and said, oh people there is no fear from the judgment and the Book of God, it is an honor written by God to the children of Israel to die as martyrs. Then, he sat down and his neck was beheaded… Ali bin Talib and al-Zibiar continued to strike their necks… It is assumed that their blood reached the oilstones that are at the market (Ibid: 396, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh pp. 588-589).
The narrators of the sira differed in the number of the Jewish men who were killed on that fateful day. Some said six hundred, some seven hundred, some eight hundred, and some nine hundred (Ibid: 396). Al-Qimni states, “And we learn from our heritage a new thing happened in that slaughter. The slaughter was not restricted to men only, but included little boys too” (Ibid: 398 referring to al-Tabari p. 591). Then the victims were buried in those big holes or ditches that the Muslims dug.
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arya has not yet approved my comment, but if you read your scriptures you will know hinduism cannot tolerate itself read this http://truthofhinduism.com/general/hinduism-is-a-false-religion/
@yeah me
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this is a vedic forum. hinduism is based on vedas. anything outside which contradicts with moral will be considered as a trash. QOUTE FROM VEDAS.
@yeah me
Truthofhinduism is a Qadiyani group and they dont believe Ahadith to be authentic. Qadiyanis are not given any response even by Muslims then why do you expect any response from Hindus? You could not give any Mantra of Vedas which supports your claim regarding Brahmin. However I will give you verse from Sunni Quran because I dont have its Qadiyani version, sorry for that. But am sure such verses will be common in both because your last prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani and second last prophet Muhammad possessed almost similar character especially in the matter of Marriage and sex.
Sunni Quran [33:50]- “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid
their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated [from Makka] with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers [at large]; We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful”
Below is the most divine part of this verse
“this only for thee (for Muhammad), and not for the Believers”
Now lets look at those Ahadith, in which, Muhammad allowed his Mujahideen to rape women of enemies
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-’azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
Book 008, Number 3373:
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported: We took women captives, and we wanted to do ‘azl (coitus interruptus) with them. We then asked Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born.
Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah’s Apostle about it and he said, “Do you really do that?” repeating the question thrice, “There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.”
Regarding deletion of comments, do you know that I, in my previous births, convinced your second last prophet Muhammad and most importantly, your last prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani about the truth of Vedas? And they converted to Vedic Dharm. But their Sahaba deleted those hadiths, which were the proof of their conversion! And now you people say that both of them did not convert to Vedic Dharm!
YEAH ME you do not have RAMZAN OR ID or you have pledged that instead of SEEING MOON YOU WOULD SEE AGNIVEER SITE AND BREAK THE ROJA
Hey @Yeah Me
long time no see?
be happy bro ..agniveer has promoted your site ..that’s your Eidi ..
But you will have to work hard on that site ..seriously ..i went there and was dismayed by the lack of depth in the rebuttals..
As it is you are a Qadiyani ..that’s a BIG MINUS and on top of it you just slander and offer nothing concrete
miles to go bro …
//the hindu scripture allows a brahmin to have sex with any woman without marriage//
WHICH TEXT?
Islamic teaching allow Muslim men to keep women as sex slaves?
Summary Answer:
Far from ignoring or condemning slavery, Islam condones the horrible institution like no other religion.
Muslims are encouraged to live in the way of Muhammad, who was a slave owner and trader. He captured slaves in battle. He had sex with his slaves. And he instructed his men to do the same. The Qur’an actually devotes more verses to making sure that Muslim men know they can keep women as sex slaves than it does to telling them to pray five times a day.
The Qur’an:
Qur’an (33:50) – “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee” This is a special command that Muhammad handed down to himself, allowing himself virtually unlimited sex. Others are limited to four wives, but may also have sex with an unlimited number of slaves, as the following verse make clear:
Qur’an (23:5-6) – “..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess…” This verse allows the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur’an (70:29-30).
Qur’an (4:24) – “And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Qur’an (8:69) – “But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good” A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his “catch” because (according to verse 71) “Allah gave you mastery over them.”
Qur’an (24:32) – “And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves…” Breeding slaves based on fitness.
Qur’an (2:178) – “O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female.” The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans are not created equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman’s worth is also distinguished from that of a man’s).
Qur’an (16:75) – “Allah sets forth the Parable (of two men: one) a slave under the dominion of another; He has no power of any sort; and (the other) a man on whom We have bestowed goodly favours from Ourselves, and he spends thereof (freely), privately and publicly: are the two equal? (By no means;) praise be to Allah.” Yet another confirmation that the slave is is not equal to the master. In this case it is plain that the slave owes his status to Allah’s will. (According to 16:71, the owner should be careful about insulting Allah by bestowing Allah’s gifts on slaves – those whom the god of Islam has not favored).
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (80:753) – “The Prophet said, ‘The freed slave belongs to the people who have freed him.’”
Bukhari (52:255) – The slave who accepts Islam and continues serving his Muslim master will receive a double reward in heaven.
Bukhari (41.598) – Slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but rather used to pay off the debt.
Bukhari (62:137) – An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad’s men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad’s approval.
Bukhari (34:432) – Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad’s approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus.
Bukhari (47.765) – A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).
Bukhari (34:351) – Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
Bukhari (72:734) – Some contemporary Muslims in the West, where slavery is believed to be a horrible crime, are reluctant to believe that Muhammad owned slaves. This is just one of many places in the Hadith where a reference is made to a human being owned by Muhammad. In this case, the slave is of African descent.
Muslim 3901 – Muhammad trades away two black slaves for one Muslim slave.
Muslim 4112 – A man freed six slaves on the event of his death, but Muhammad reversed the emancipation and kept four in slavery to himself. He cast lots to determine which two to free.
Bukhari (47:743) – Muhammad’s own pulpit – from which he preached Islam – was built with slave labor on his command.
Bukhari (59:637) – “The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, ‘Don’t you see this (i.e. Ali)?’ When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, ‘O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?’ I said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.’” Muhammad approved of his men having sex with slaves, as this episode involving his son-in-law, Ali, clearly proves. This hadith refutes the modern apologists who pretend that slaves were really “wives,” since Muhammad had forbidden Ali from marrying another woman as long as Fatima (his favorite daughter) was living.
Abu Dawud (2150) – “The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Qur’an 4:24) ‘And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.’” This is the background for verse 4:24 of the Qur’an. Not only does Allah grant permission for women to be captured and raped, but allows it to even be done in front of their husbands.
Ibn Ishaq (734) – A slave girl is given a “violent beating” by Ali in the presence of Muhammad, who does nothing about it.
Ibn Ishaq (693) – “Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu’l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons.” Muhammad trades away women captured from the Banu Qurayza tribe to non-Muslim slave traders for property. (Their men had been executed after surrendering peacefully without a fight).
Umdat al-Salik (Reliance of the Traveller) (o9.13) – According to Sharia, when a child or woman is taken captive by Muslims, they become slaves by the fact of their capture. A captured woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.
Additional Notes:
Slavery is deeply embedded in Islamic law and tradition. Although a slave-owner is cautioned against treating slaves harshly, basic human rights are not obliged. The very fact that only non-Muslims may be taken as slaves is evidence of Islam’s supremacist doctrine.
Of the five references to freeing a slave in the Qur’an, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin, and limits the emancipation to just a single slave. Another (24:33) appears to allow a slave to buy their freedom if they are “good.” (This is consistent with the traditional Islamic practice of wealth-building through the taking and ransoming of hostages, which began under Muhammad).
A tiny verse in one of the earliest verses 90:13 does say that freeing a slave is good, however, this was “revealed” at a time when the Muslim community was miniscule and several of their new and potential recruits were either actual slaves or newly freed slaves. Many of these same people, and Muhammad himself, later went on to become owners and traders of slaves, both male and female, as they acquired the power to do so. The language of the Qur’an changed to accommodate slavery, which is why this early verse has had negligible impact on slavery in the Islamic world.
Contrary to popular belief, converting to Islam does not automatically earn a slave his freedom, although doing so is said to increase a slave master’s heavenly reward (Muslim slaves are implied in Qur’an (4:92)). As far as the Islamic courts are concerned, a master may treat his slaves however he chooses without fear of punishment.
By contrast, Christianity was a major impetus in the movement to abolish the age-old institution of slavery. Yet, abolition had to be imposed on the Islamic world by the West.
Given that there was no abolitionary movement within the Islamic world, it is astonishing to see contemporary Muslims write their religion into the history of abolition. The lie – that the eradication of slavery had anything to do with Islam – has been repeated so often that even those who may parrot it are blissfully ignorant of its lack of factual foundation.
There was no William Wilberforce or Bartoleme de las Casas in Islam. As mentioned, Muhammad, the most revered figure in the religion, practiced and approved of slavery. Even his own pulpit was built with slave labor. The second caliph, a companion of the prophet, was stabbed to death by a slave whose liberty he refused to grant. Caliphs since have had harems of hundreds, sometimes thousands of young girls and women brought from Christian lands and other places to service the desires of Islam’s religious equivalent of the pope in the most demeaning fashion.
One of the myths about Islamic slavery is that it was not race-based, but in fact it was. Muhammad’s father-in-law, Umar, in his role as caliph, declared that Arabs could not be taken as slaves and even had all Arab slaves freed on his deathbed. This helped propel the vast Islamic campaign to capture slaves in Africa, Europe and Asia for importing into the Middle East.
Literally millions of Christians were captured into slavery during the many centuries of Jihad against the West. So pervasive were the incursions by the Turks into Eastern Europe, that the English word for slave is based on Slav. Muslim slave raiders even operated as far north as England. In 1631, a French cleric in Algiers observed the sale of nearly 300 men, women and children, taken from a peaceful English fishing village:
“It was a pitiful sight to see them exposed in the market…Women were separated from their husbands and the children from their fathers…on one side a husband was sold; on the other his wife; and her daughter was torn from her arms without the hope that they’d ever see each other again.” (from the book, White Gold, which also details the story of English slave, Thomas Pellow, who was beaten, starved and tortured into embracing Islam).
The Indian and Persian people suffered mightily as well – as did Africans. At least 17 million slaves (mostly black women and children) were brought out of Africa by Islamic traders – far more than the 11 million that were taken by the Europeans. However, these were only the survivors. As many as 85 million other Africans were thought to have died en route.
Most telling, perhaps, is that slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other corners of the Muslim world – and you won’t see any of those Muslim apologists (who shamelessly repeat the lie that Islam abolished slavery) doing or saying anything about it!
Since Muhammad was a slave owner and slavery is permitted by the Qur’an, the Muslim world has never apologized for this dehumanizing practice. Even Muslims in the West will often try to justify slavery under Islam, since it is a part of the Qur’an.
im not gonna answer to all your copy pasted job but i will show you some thing
[016:075] Allah sets forth a parable: (consider) a slave, the property of another, (who) has no power over anything, and one whom We have granted from Ourselves a goodly sustenance so he spends from it secretly and openly; are the two alike? (All) praise is due to Allah! Nay, most of them do not know.
the hadith u have mentioned means the person who have freed the slave should look after him and the second hadith is
sahih bukhari Book 52, Number 255: Narrated Abu Burda’s father:
The Prophet said, “Three persons will get their reward twice. (One is) a person who has a slave girl and he educates her properly and teaches her good manners properly (without violence) and then manumits and marries her. Such a person will get a double reward. (Another is) a believer from the people of the scriptures who has been a true believer and then he believes in the Prophet (Muhammad). Such a person will get a double reward. (The third is) a slave who observes Allah’s Rights and Obligations and is sincere to his master.”
a ex hindu has found slavery in hinduism http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/avijit/slavery_hinduism.htm, islam did not start slavery nor encouraged it, you people are following your religion too blindly you need to study.the quran commands to free slaves and sex with slaves is banned, religions like hinduism and christianity allows sex with slaves but islam ended it http://www.submission.org/women/care.html
lol im not a author of truthofhinduism.com nor im chamcha like you have here, you got one misconception that whoever rejects fabricated hadiths is a qadiyani go and ask your swami again about it if he does not know then ask any muslim, all the muslims living on the earth today rejects fabricated hadiths
and someone asked me about brahmin can have sex with any women
A Brahmin male by virtue of his birth becomes the first husband of all
women in the universe. (Manu III. 14)
as usual when i asked something the copy pasting job was started and done, and see your hindus only few hindus comment in truthofhinduism.com because they can answer nothing and who answers, makes fools of themselves and the hindu who comments in truthofhinduism.com does the same that is copying from sites.
Yeah me I have crushed the author of this website truthofHinduism.com Steve in the article Zakir Naik fraud exposed you can see that after that he did not dare to debate with us in this site. Even if he is debating he has changed his name and the coward does not have the guts to use his original name Steve and debate with us.
Yeah me if you really have guts then read all the articles given below with illustrated examples.]
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/42435
http://chriswillard.multiply.com/journal/item/279/?&item_id=279&view:replies=reverse
http://therr9.wordpress.com/tag/theology/
when arya deletes the comments and 5-10 hindus argue with one single muslim and when you cannot understand you declare you won.
lol i saw just now and steve answered you people in awesome way and you people’s reply was ”western translator western translator western translator” thats it, so how did u crushed him when none of you could answer him.
@yeah me
When Sahaba of Muhammad deleted the Hadith of conversion of Muhammad to Vedic Dharm by me in my previous birth and Islamic rapists and killers beheaded unarmed innocents and forced them to become Muslim, Muslims declared that Muhammad is the final prophet (for you Qadiyanis, he is second last though!) and their religion is best because it is fastest growing religion!
making and deleting hadiths are haram, many hadiths were fabricated by other peoples, if you have guts then why dont u debate with any of the author of truthofhinduism.com rather calling them ”qadiyani” to escape the debate, are you people really sure you wants to debate dr.zakir naik when you people are scared to debate the authors of truthofhinduism.com
@yeah me
People in the past have been Muslims irrespective of being gay, drinker and haram meat eaters. Read about Babur. So, even if something is Haram, Muslims can afford to do it and Sahab did that.
When you say us idol worshipper and in your rebuttals, hundreds of such stories, which we dont believe in, why are you so sad about I calling you Qadiyani when your members actually admitted that they dont believe Hadith to be authentic?
Come for debate right now, I can sit upto 11:50 pm IST. Lets decide here itself. Looser will reject his faith, do you agree?
We will talk on Vedas, Quran and Ahadith only. I shall give you translation of Yusuf Ali or Jalalayn or you can suggest if you have some specific choice. You should produce proof of Vedas translated by any Rishi.
I will accept Islam if you defeat me. And if you are defeated, you accept Vedic Dharm….
lol, are you serious, i think you wants to loose your vedic dharma, AND ARYA HAS NOT YET APPROVED MY COMMENT, i have defeated you many times and you have deleted my comments my times and from many days you are not even approving my comments.
see how much he is scared he is saying to bring translation of rishi everyone knows rishis cannot speak english then how can they translate vedas, how about using hindi translations from your own official arya samaj website
and let this debate be gita+vedas vs quran+hadiths
im read to debate with you come and comment in any article of truthofhinduism.com
coz i dont want my comments to be deleted after i defeat you
i repeat once more I ACCEPT YOUR CHALLENGE, COME NOW START COMMENTING IN TRUTHOFHINDUISM.COM
you call yourself a scholar when you dont even know about fabricated hadiths. im repeating once more for you i accept your challenge for the debate on gita+vedas vs quran+hadiths
@yeah me
By translation of Rishi, I meant interpretation of any Rishi translated in English by any scholar or by you. But since, you have not even heard the name of any Rishi, it will be difficult to expect any proof of Vedas from your side. You can use Translation by Rishi Dayanand, which is whole of Yajurved and 6 Mandals of Rigved, available on http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org. Try to get Mantras from this portion, since rest others works on Vedas by Rishis are in Sanskrit and I doubt you know Sanskrit!
Why Geeta? Should it not me, who will decide what should be my book? If you want to put away Ahadith in the same manner, you will not remain Muslim as per Darul Uloom and thats why you have to accept Hadith. And BTW, are there fabricated hadith in Sahih Ahadith too? If yes, name them “Galat” rather than Sahih!
Lets debate here because I dont want my comments do be deleted on truthofhinduism just like deleted hadith talking about Muhammad’s conversion to Vedic Dharm by me in my previous birth!
@yeah me
“the authors of truthhinduism”?
Maybe you might know, that many of the articles on that site are written by Mushafiq Sultan, now, I have had a debate with him on this site, you can see the “kaba or idol worship page”
and we even continued the debate later on, and your so called author who runs http://www.theintellectual.info ran away from me in the debate after he could not refute me on my claims of muslims being idol worshippers.
I have the entire transcript of our debate that took place, I can send it to you as a proof if you doubtful.
Now, what do you have to say about that? If you say Mushafiq had no knowledge, then why are you posting his articles on you site? If you agree he was knowledgeable, then you have to accept the fact even he could not refute my claims, and the truth is before you.
many muslims have already answered you, we cannot strike our head on the wall to make your tiny brain understand things, i showed kaba is not a idol and it cannot be worshiped as a idol both in islamic and hinduism way, i dont know whther my comment still exists there or not, and you people continued to show your stupidity, read all the comments again, they have proved muslims does not worship kaba. earth is very big and if you a arya samaji is bowing, does that mean you are worshiping something as earth has many things on it, many muslims bow towards the kaba across the world and they dont keep kaba in front of them while worshiping as u put your idol, we dont put the model of kaba in front of us when we worship. and as far as im concerned about your claims you people start abusing when a muslim exposes hinduism and you never refutes his claim, and the comments of muslims here i have seen they have answered all of you, its not mushafiq sultan’s problem if you jump from one topic to another and he has answered all the commenters here there are over 5 active people who comment here. and you people cannot even answer 1 single muslim and see how a muslim answers you 5-10 people. but we see no hindu refuting a single claim in truthofhinduism.com
@yeah me
Can you debate here, now? Could you refute any of the argument on Kaba or idol worship article?
why here coz u can easily delete my comment when u r defeated, why not in truthofhinduism.com they dont delete the comment unless you use vulgur language after u r defeated. i have accepted your challenge to debate now its upto whether you wants to debate with me in truthofhinduism.com on vedas+gita vs quran+ hadith and i have also given you options if u want u can choose quran vs vedas.
@yeah me
Are you sure that Qadiyanis dont delete comments just like Muslim Sahaba deleted Hadith of Muhammad’s conversion to Vedic Dharm by me in my previous birth?
I can debate Vedas vs Quran, but problem is that debate will be then Vedic vs Qadiyani and not Vedic vs Islam!
@yeah me
And yeah me, dont forget that there is just one cult Islam, which is so scared of other religions that it does not allow others to preach their religion in Islamic countries. So people of truthofhinduism are also carrying the genes of this cowardliness though they are Qadiyanis, but still muslims! When you are so scared of us, why should I believe that you will not delete my comments? And when you are allowed to do Taqiya, i.e. you can lie with non muslim, how can your assurance be taken seriously? Whats the proof that you are not doing Taqiya?
Anyway, if you are keen to debate, tell me, why did Allah create us?
@arya you ve showed how scared you are from debating me, u dont even know what is a debate, anyways u r very scared to debate about quran so lets take it to vedas, the topic will be are vedas word of god, come and debate me in truthofhinduism.com and u dont even know qadiyanis dont reject hadiths, u just wanna run from debating me and calling me a qadiyani coz u r scared, 99% of hindus call gita as word of god and only your small community calls gita as corrupted, go and ask any muslim about weak hadith now.
IM CHALLENGING YOU AGAIN TO DEBATE ME IN TRUTHOFHINDUISM.COM
YOU EITHER ACCEPT IT OR ADMIT YOUR DEFEAT
@ yeah me
You were asked to debate on Why did Allah create us. Just reply for this debate. Then what is the point in challenging again ?
Dear brother, you are so scared that you are not talking to the point and making round and round. Now decide who is on the path of defeat ?
Just stick to the last question you were asked to reply.
Dhanyawaad
@yeah me
in order to understand if your an idolator or not, we first have to understand what idolatry is. Idolatry is any object or statue to whom a person bows down before his prayers regardless of whatever reason (concentration, direction, etc). So when muslims bow towards the kaaba, they are also classified as idolators. Now, when a person constantly bows towards the same idol, that stamps him or her as an idolator. Muslims always bow towards kaaba, so bowing consistently makes them an idolator. Who told you arya samaj bows in their prayers?
If u want to bow before allah, why not simply look up and pray since according to u, hes sitting up there on is “throne”.
Speaking of putting idols before you, I agree hindus do this, but the difference is muslims bow before on big idol whereas hindus bow before many smaller idols. But listen, this debate is about quality not quantity. It doesnt matter whether you bow before one idol or many, what matters is that are you bowing before an idol?
It is like saying, suppose there are two men, Man A commits one sin and Man B, commits 12 sins, now, B is a greater sinner than A, but ultimately both men are sinners since they both committed a minimum of one sin.
The same is the case with muslims, they bow before one idol and ignorant hindus and buddists bow before many idols but in both cases they are idolators.
Whenever I tell a muslim, to go break the kaaba, they get nervous and start abusing me, this is another proof that they are idolators.
I am pretty sure, we can worship Allah without facing or bowing towards the kaaba. Look at Arya Samaj, do they associate any idol in worshipping Ishwar?? If we, the Vedic followers can worship God, without facing any idol, why cannot you??
Why cannot you get this fact straight through your mind that you are an idolator, otherwise go break the kaaba into pieces, only then I will call you a non idolator
And another point I would like to make is that since Allah is against shirk, why does he not make you bow towards Him rather than the kaaba? We all know He doesnt live in the kaaba.
@yeah me
Mushafiq Sultan, whom your a great admirer of, even he failed to refute my claims of him being an idolator in our debate. So, all I have to say not only you, but even Mushafiq, Zakir , or any muslim on earth cannot refute the claim that they are idolators. The day they break the kaaba and worship Allah without associating any idol in their prayers, only then they can be classified as idolators.
and i have commented here and its awaiting moderation i hope your boss will approve it
@yeah me
Comments on this site are not moderated before publishing. Try to get some logic brother Yeah me. If your team has defeated us here, you can ask them to do it again, or you yourself do it instead of making stories of comment deletion. To debate us officially, get a recommendation letter from Darul Uloom Deoband that You, a Qadiyani, can represent Islam in debate with us. Or, try to get a Fatwa issued by them stating that Ahadith are not authentic.
All the best!
Murthy pooja is another Vedic practice that have wrougt havoc on Hindus. The temples were and are centres of treasures and these was repeatedly looted and still being looted of course now by Govt in the name of governing temples. The proceeds of Temples which are treated as revenue is being used to fund Churches and Mosques, payment of salaries for Christian priests and Mullahas. And these men make no stone unturned in attacking Hinduism and employing all methods both fair and foul in seducing the Hindus to their fold. The Murthy pooja is also being attacked by men Specially Christians and Hindus are getting divided because of this UNVEDIC method of worship. Hindus who are disenchanted with Murthy worship join Christian faith. But the efforts being made to wean away the Hindus from this habit is getting nowhere and new and newer Moorthies, their worship are getting popular. ISCON IS ONE SUCH EXAMPLE. I am really sad about this and where this habit leads Hindus God only knows. Agniveer, kindly point out some remedies for Hindus to revert to Vedic worship.
By ovesight murthy pooja is mentioned as Vedic practice. It is not and on the contrary it is Unvedic practice.
Why should any one think that Hinduism is an obscene religion? Hindu gods do not preach obscenity. They preach self-restraint. No doubt there are certain drawbacks in it like casteism and divisons of Hindu society which has resulted in Hindus being the longest suffering part of Humanity under the heel of fascist Slave Dynasty and the encroaching Mughals. But now things are changing.
A.l.Rawal
Why should any one think that Hinduism is an obscene religion. Obscenity does not live for long in a religion. Hindu gods like Ram preached and practised restraint. He went to the forest and lived there for 14 long years with his wife. If he wanted he could have fathered as many children during this period as they would have desired. But he practised self-restraint in youth in the forest. This is supreme example of self-sacrifice.
Agniveerji …….
Very good Article…….
Dhanyavad..
Hare krishna!!
baba agniveer jai ho. sorry i can’t keep my words for not blogging here but seriously i can’t stop myself after visting the site TOH. Great going man….. these mullas r good 4 nothing.neither they r muslims nor indian. anyway this article may help them understand hinduism more clearly.
Pranam Agniveer ji,
In this dirty effort the fitly misinterpreters like Steve, Rocky and Razvi who know nothing about the Holy Sanatana Dharma simply propagating lies regarding it these are the barking dogs engineered by Dr. Zakir Nalayak, immature offshoots of his poisonous thoughts and deeds.
Anyhow these weeds should be rooted out by the logic and truth, for this work there is no person better than you, we the “Seekers of Truth” and the “Ardent Admirers of Hinduism” are with you lift your Sword of Knowledge and Rationality on these filthiest pigs and eradicate these obnoxious weeds by yours Jejus and Rajus. We are with you, “Krinvantu Vishwamaryam”.
Vedas is the central scripture in our Hindu dharma however you shouldnt be-little or critisize the other scriptures, they all form part of our faith. I applaud you for raising this topipc but your explanation is very poor, instead of discussing the points that anti-hindu people are exploiting, you just dismiss these pointc completely without giving real explanations. Jai Hind.
Agniveer well written article. I too now follow vedas, yoga, unadulterated version of Geeta, Ramayana, and mahabharat. Agniveer i would quote from autobiography of yogi – by swami paramhanas yogananda to support you (this book is the reference book of metaphysics in many foreign universities) He has said in the conclusion “TRUTH IS NO THEORY, NO SPECULATIVE SYSTEM OF PHILOSOPHY, NO INTELLECTUAL INSIGHT, TRUTH IS EXACT CORRESPONDENCE WITH REALITY. FOR MAN TRUTH IS AN UNSHAKABLE KNOWLEDGE OF HIS REAL NATURE.
THE WISDOM GARNERED BY INDIA THE ELDEST BROTHER AMONG NATIONS IS A HERITAGE OF ALL MANKIND. VEDIC TRUTH AS ALL TRUTHS BELONGS TO THE ALMIGHTY AND NOT TO INDIA.
THE RISHIS WHOSE MINDS WERE PURE RECEPTACLES TO RECEIVE THE DIVINE PROFOUNDITIES OF THE VEDAS WERE THE MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE, BORN ON THIS EARTH, RATHER THAN SOME OTHER, TO SERVE HUMANITY AS A WHOLE.
DISTINCTION BY RACE OR NATION ARE MEANINGLESS IN REALM TRUTH WHERE THE ONLY QUALIFICATION IS THE SPIRITUAL FITNESS TO RECEIVE.
SO EVERY ORDINARY MAN MUST MAKE A SPIRITUAL START SOMEWHERE, SOMETIME.
AS SAGE LAO TZU, A CHINESE MYSTIC SAID
“A JOURNEY OF THOUSAND MILE STARTS WITH A SINGLE STEP”
I hope this suffice, many intellectuals, scientist and men/women have read this book, but the insight which He and all other yogis who have achieved samadhi have given is a testimony to many generations to come in solving the human mystery of existence, creation, aim and achieving such a aim of self realisation , which every Rishi who has dharm megh samadhi has stated. No scientist has unravelled in my view what vedas say, and a yogi who has achieved samadhi has stated with experience of ultimate reality. False knowledge i.e avidya only gives, arrogance and foolish pride as today visible in the rhetoric of Z -Nayak and many bible and Quran preachers.
@Agniveer…
So what needs to be followed???
Either Vedas alone or Vedas with Mahabharatha and Ramayana and Puranas???
Ramayana and Mahabarata must be interprited according to the line of vedas.
I wanted to know , Ramayana dictates Our Great Lord Ram & hanuman. Gita shows Lord Krishna. But you saying believe only vedas . So Ram & krishna are fake. Please clarify
No, Ram and Krishna were real. Vedas are non changed. Ramayana and Mahabarata must be interprited according to the line of vedas.
1. Sanatan Dharma means Eternal Dharma. This should exist at all times – before Ramayan and Mahabharat and millions of years after it. This is the Dharma of Vedas. If Ramayan and Mahabharat be eternal Dharma, then what was the Dharma in Satyuga?
2. Even Ramayan and Mahabharat announce vociferously that Vedas are the supreme.
3. Ramayan and Mahabharat are historical texts – unfortunately plagued with lots of interpolations done in years of slavery. So these are to be interpreted as per Vedas. Only Vedas are the texts in the world which have a mechanism to ensure that not even a word can change.
4. Ram, Krishna, Hanuman are our role models. They exemplified Vedas through their actions. This exactly should be our goal – to recreate their magic and transform the world. This would be their true worship as per their Vedas.
The touchstone of Vedas is necessary because conversion viruses will keep bringing hundreds of references from scriptures that bring allegation of obscenity etc. Our job should be simple – instead of wasting time trying to justify them, we simply announce that if it is against Vedas, we reject it. If it can interpreted as per Vedas, we are fine with it.
Nice comment sir.
Looking at thw website http://truthofhinduism.com, I find it amusing that the purpose of that site states that some members of the 2 premier Abrahamic faiths have joined hands to take on websites like agniveer.
Before the brain behind the site can talk about Hinduism, the Muslims gotta fundamentally resolve the following.
Christians are categorical (based on the Quran) that Muhammad’s geneaology does not tie him to Abraham at all. Ismail,, through whom Muhammad is “supposedly” tied to Abraham never gave rise to any Arab offsprings in the vicinity of Mecca. And no connections existed between Ismail and the Arabs. So, the authenticity of the Quranic verses in tis regard and the claim that Abraham and Islamil built the Kaaba have been thrown out of the window,long back. Abraham never visited Mecca . So the Quranic verses on Muhammad’s geneaology are a lie. And it simply means that Islam is a fake cult.
mate Mohammad [pbuh] is desendant of Ibrahim [pbuh]
the world is basically run by ppl of the abramatic faith & not bu indian or chinese faiths.
wnna knw wats religion in india ??
its somethin like chinese irregilious or unknown. it was a muslim scholar who unified various sects of relgions in India so that it cud b easy for him to understand ur religious beliefs b/c basially india never was a united country as opposed to china. ibn sina was the guy’s name. & guess wat most of ur pre islamic history’s study is based on his analysis.
@younib
OK. So concept of nation was given by those who were accustomed of eating without washing their hands after coming out of lavatory! [Muslim 3:725]
Are you an Indian or Arab? Shame on you if you are an Indian, you feel proud to be called as Arab even if your forefathers were Indians.
And it is funny that those Muslims who could do zilch about Ali Sina are investing time on attacking Hinduism. Islam and the Quran have simply been unclothed by Ali Sina’s FFI. And forget the corner house Mullahs, even someone of the caliber of Ahmad Ghamiddi lost it when he crossed swords w/ Ali Sina. I respect Ghammidi, who is trying to fight the taliban mindset in his country but he was unable to hold the fort against Ali Sina on Quran.
Dear readers ,,
please read this rediff article
http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/sep/07/slide-show-1-are-pakistans-youth-giving-up-islam.htm#contentTop
Did you ever here…an Emperor staying in a small house (a length of 10×6) ???
Did you ever hear an Emperor saying…don’t praise me…????
Did you ever hear a religion preacher saying “I am a slave to God…”…
Did you ever hear…that a person who totally changed the lives of ppl and eradicated poverty for ever…???
Did you ever hear an emperor saying….Don’t bow before me…???
Did you ever hear….ppl scolding an emperor before him and was allowed to live in the same empire….???
Did you ever hear a King lending money from others (Jews) and getting scoldings from them….while as an emperor…..???
Just because u have stated the hadith….u cannot say truth is in hell…his life was really beautiful…???
Truth always wins…Mohammed was a great emperor as well as a religious preacher, a great warrior, a great ruler, a great thinker, a great lover of the human society, a person who is known for his qualities, a person who makes the change in the world, a person…
Please analyze Sir…I really love Mohammed because of his great qualities…
His way of life is practical and he changed the lives of so many ppl…even now as a slave of God…
SSS
Did you ever hear an emperor …..going to his eleven wives one after another in the same small house of (10×6)???
Did you ever hear an emperor saying….. even God praises me just like common people do???
[Quran 33:56 ]
Did you ever hear an emperor saying……. believing in me is equally important than believing in God???
Did you ever hear an emperor whose name is the source of inspiration for most of the suicide bombers and mass murderers even today???
Did you ever hear an emperor who beheaded 900 unarmed Jews (Bani Qureza) and took their women as slaves, one of whom (Rehana) was raped by him the very night her husband was butchered??? [Ibn Ishak]
Did you even hear an emperor who married a child of 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9?
Did you even hear an emperor who married his daughter in law???
His life was really beautiful???
Please analyze sir…..If you still love him then you yourself are a threat to humanity! Leave Islam and come to Vedic Dharm.
@Shourya:
Adey…..Punnakku mandaiyaa…..Puththiya vachchi nallapadiyaaa use pannu…..ippadi kutharkkama ninaikkathae…..ippadi iruntha…nee un pondattiyavae…santhekappaduva da mollamaari….karumam pudichchavanae….
If his character happens to be like that….think if anybody would have followed him….think logically…any ladies would have liked him…
I am ready to answer your one question….”Did you ever hear an emperor whose name is the source of inspiration for most of the suicide bombers and mass murderers even today???”…
Ans: Since bcoz of some stupid is doing that…it is not what he said…it is not what he asked to do to others…??? I think you need to learn much…..
Rest other questions, you use your brain to understand…imagine the life of ppl at that time and how he would have changed it…
His life was really beautiful and I also love Mohammed…since it has meaning….he changed the lives of ppl…Go and read the full life history of him and then quote Sir…..
I dont want ppl to quote…Don’t do wrong things…try to prove as Mohammed has proved over his lifetime…in making the change over the life of the ppl…
People at his time are not mad to blindly accept a concept, loved him and followed him…which he proposed at that time…since bcoz his personal and official life was beautiful…ppl loved him that much…
Just think Sir….Don’t say what other say….God has given brain to think…just use it for sometime…
Truth will not fail…It will succeed definitely…I consider his life is full of faith and truth….as his enemies called him…he is a trustable person but gone mad…even enemies praised him as trustable person…
His two friends ‘Abubakr’ and ‘Omar’…they were the remarkable persons in the world history…Their ruling is too good as it was appreciated by Jews and Christians at that time…
They hate Mohammed not bcoz of his character….but bcoz of his principles…just read some more…Sir…
I really admired by his preachings and his way of life which he left it as an example of everyone to follow…Really he was too good, beautiful….interesting guy…he touched my heart by his character…
SSS
Laa Haul Valaa Kuvvat Illah Billah!
So you mean Quran and Sahih Hadith are wrong! Every point that I made is either taken from Quran or Sahih Ahadith and Seerat. Now after denying divinity of Quran and Ahadith you are no more a Muslim my friend.
I invite you to Vedic Dharm of your ancestors.
@Shourya:
This was the last statement to his fellow rulers..by Umar….who is the follower and friend of Mohammed…
Be kind and generous to the Muhajirun and the Ansar. Those out of them who are good, be good to them; those who are bad overlook their lapses. Be good to the people of the conquered lands. They are the outer line of our defense; they are the target of the anger and distress of our enemies. They contribute to our revenues. They should be taxed only on their surplus wealth. Be gracious to the Bedouins as they are the backbone of the Arab nation. I instruct you to be good to the Dhimmis for they are your responsibility. Do not tax them beyond their capacity. Ensure that they pay the Jizya without undue inconvenience. Fear God, and in all that you do keep His pleasure in view. In the matter of people fear God, and in the matter of Allah do not be afraid of the people. With regard to the people, I enjoin upon you to administer justice with an even hand. See that all the legitimate requirements of the people are met. Be concerned for their welfare. Ensure the safety of their person and property. See that the frontiers of our domains are not violated. Take strong steps to guard the frontiers. In the matter of administration do not prefer the rich to the poor. Be hard against those who violate the law. Show them no mercy. Do not rest content until you have brought the miscreants to book. Treat all the people as equal. Be a pillar of strength for those who are weak and oppressed. Those who are strong but do wrong, make them pay for their wrong-doings. In the distribution of booty and other matters be above nepotism. Let no consideration of relationship or selfish interest weigh with you. The Satan is at large; it may tempt you. Rise above all temptations and perform your duties in accordance with the injunctions of Islam. Get guidance from the Holy Quran and Sunnah. Freely consult the wise men around you. Apply your own mind in difficult cases, and seek light from God. Be simple in your living and your habits. Let there be no show or ostentation about you. Lead life as a model Muslim. As you are the leader of the Muslims, justify your leadership by being the best among them all. May God bless you.
Just apply your mind before saying anything….If you are not good…will your friend follow you…???
Mohammed’s life was really beautiful and he made wonderful leaders….he really changed the lives of the ppl at his lifetime….I really love Mohammed bcoz of his qualities…
God gave the mind for analyzing…don’t say anything before analyzing….
@Shourya:
Please read the below verses….when Mohammed died…his fellow friends…how they behaved…
When Muhammad died Muslims gathered in Al-Masjid al-Nabawi and there were suppressed sobs and sighs. Abu Bakr came from his house at As-Sunh (a village) on a horse where he had been with his new wife. He dismounted and entered the Prophet’s Mosque, but did not speak to anyone until he entered upon ‘Aa’isha. In Sunni accounts he went straight to Muhammad who was covered with Hibra cloth (a kind of Yemenite cloth). He then uncovered Muhammad’s face and bowed over him and kissed him and wept, saying,
Let my father and mother be sacrificed for you. By Allah, Allah will never cause you to die twice. As for the death which was written for you, has come upon you
‘Umar was making a sermon to the people saying,
By Allah, he is not dead but has gone to his Lord as Musa ibn Imran went and remained hidden from his people for forty days. Musa returned after it was said that he had died. By Allah, the Messenger of Allah will come back and he will cut off the hands and legs of those who claim his death.”
Abu Bakr arrived and said,
Sit down, O ‘Umar!
But ‘Umar refused to sit down. So the people came to Abu Bakr and left Umar. Abu Bakr said,
To proceed, if anyone amongst you used to worship Muhammad , then Muhammad is dead, but if (anyone of) you used to worship Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die. Allah said, “And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels!s, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful.” (3.144)
‘Umar said,
By Allah, when I heard Abu Bakr reciting it, my legs could not support me and I fell down at the very moment of hearing him reciting it, declaring that the Prophet had died.
Don’t you think…will you friends be saying like this…when you are dead…
They might be dancing before your body…when you are dead…!!!
Think Sir…this can’t happen in anyone’s life…unless his life is too perfect…
God has given brain to think…not to oppose any one with simply some words without analysis…
@SSS
Please give reply to my comment instead of telling stories.
Mohammed’s life is true…and its not story…its the thing which happened in his life and after death…
Then what you want…first turn around and look your friends near…you can learn about you…
This is what…the truth…
I said clearly…na…I am not a muslim…what u want tell me…???
I dont need hadith to look back to his life…even though they are true…
There ll be always enemies like you for a good person..who can quote his life in a wrong way…so it doesn’t mean that…its truth…
If he was not good…he would have been thrown out by his friends itself…this has not happened…why???…..and this one is the only proof for me to prove….he lead a wonderful life….
As I said, truth always wins….I am the lawyer for him…try to argue…more…
I am expecting a lot from you…!!!
Since bcoz somebody has written a book wrongly against you…doesn’t mean that…you are too bad…
It means that…in his perspective you are his enemy and he is writing wrong about you…it is a simple psychology….
Ok…Writing stories…doesn’t need to help you out….my answers are below…
I am not a muslim…But still the life of Mohammed was beautiful one…bcoz too much controversies can’t come in his life…he was too good…he lead a perfect life…
SSS BROTHER for your kind information ISLAM WAS BORN BECAUSE OF POLITICS OF VATICAN. KHADIJA IS VATICAN SPY AND PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS VATICAN FRANKENSTEIN this was exposed by a Ex Catholic Priest Alberto Rivera in his book “THE PROPHET” this exposure caused a stir in islamic and catholic countries and many of the islamic and catholic countries banned this book in their country and the writer of this book Alberto Rivera was finally MURDERED after many unsuccessful attempts. The author exposes that Vatican wanted holy city of Jerusalem from Jews very badly for that it needed the help of Arabs so Vatican used Khadija, who also was an ex-nun to trap an Arab and use him for their dirty works. Mohammad was chosen for this Khadija convinced Mohammad that Allah\Nimrod\Oisiris\God of New Testament are one god and they should unite and fight and eliminate Jews, but later on like Frankenstein Mohammad turned against his Masters the Vatican and Pope. VATICAN IS THE CREATOR OF ISLAM read this website for reference:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1157986/pg1
and here is the ONLINE GRAPHIC BOOK WHICH EXPOSES ISLAM
http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0117/0117_allinone.asp
Sir…
Please learn the history of Vatican…don’t quote from any books…
I can also write something about you and get printed the next day…
Can you quote from the same book…that “I am bad bcoz this book quoted like this”…
@SSS
Where from did you learn the history of Vatican ?? Had a ride on buraq, the other night ?? or some epilleptic attack?
@SSS
Now, you don’t want to learn history from “any books”!.. Why don’t you look for some camel bones to learn history ! Since you are such a big fan of an illeterate paedophile, that media would be best suited for you
@ Proud To be Kafir:
Sir…you are saying as though…you have seen the things with your eyes…
So you have been living for 1400 years…u r that much old ah….???
Sorry my old fellow man…ur brain might be not in a position to understand things…
@SSS
Why don’t you question yourself this, before writing about your “sage” muhammad !!
By the way , I’ve been following your comments for a while but I haven’t seen you quoting any facts whatsoever. On the contrary, wen you are countered with facts, you either run away or stsrt giving hyperboles !!
Seems like you are under severe epilleptic attack, hence ur brain might not be in a position to understand things !
@ Proud to be Kafir:
What fact you have shown and I ran away…Sir…
You are showing from one book….I can show from 1000 books that…Mohammed was good at this life time…Does it matter….???
The point here is analysis…what you analyze and what you propose…???
I can also show 1000 links and books to read….!!! Do you want me to do that….???
Think before you say something to others…!!!
Sorry…a much old brain understands it very slowly…I am not responsible for that….!!!
@SSS
What books are you talking about ? All the books on muhammad invariably say that -
1. He married a six-year old girl.
2. He kept women as sex-slaves after slaying their husbands ( rehana)
3. He advocated his gang of butchers to rape women after killing their husbands as a war-booty.
4. He married 11 women himself and didn’t even leave his daughter-in-law, when it came for his sexual raunches
We shall proceed with that later. But before that, sice you are such a big fan of muhammad, kindly let us know if :
a. A 53 year old man comes to you and asks you to give your 6 yr old sister ( or daughter), to have sex with. Would you oblige ????
b. What will be your reaction if the same old man kills your father and forces himself upon your mother, the same night that he kills your father, just like what muhammad did to rehana !!
c. How will you classify a Gang of butchers and his head who come to your house, kill you and your Dad and then while having sex with your wife and mother, ask this old man wheather to do Coitus interruptus or ejaculate inside.. An this old man tells them to ejaculate inside !!!
d. what if your wife or sister end up being one of the eleven wives of this Tharki. :-> :-> :->
@other readers
sorry for this dirty comment,
@SSS
What books are you talking about ? All the books on muhammad invariably say that –
1. He married a six-year old girl.
2. He kept women as sex-slaves after slaying their husbands ( rehana)
3. He advocated his gang of butchers to rape women after killing their husbands as a war-booty.
4. He married 11 women himself and didn’t even leave his daughter-in-law, when it came for his sexual raunches
We shall proceed with his other deeds later. But before that, sice you are such a big fan of muhammad, kindly let us know, what if :
a. A 53 year old man comes to you and asks you to give your 6 yr old sister ( or daughter), to have sex with. Would you oblige ????
b. What will be your reaction if the same old man kills your father and forces himself upon your mother, the same night that he kills your father, just like what muhammad did to rehana !!
c. How will you classify a Gang of butchers and his head who come to your house, kill you and your Dad and then while having sex with your wife and mother, ask this old man wheather to do Coitus interruptus or ejaculate inside.. An this old man tells them to ejaculate inside !!!
d. what if your wife or sister end up being one of the eleven wives of this Tharki. :
Pls share views on this before we further explore the life of your role model !!
@other readers
sorry for this dirty comment,
Sir,
a. A 53 year old man comes to you and asks you to give your 6 yr old sister ( or daughter), to have sex with. Would you oblige ????
b. What will be your reaction if the same old man kills your father and forces himself upon your mother, the same night that he kills your father, just like what muhammad did to rehana !!
c. How will you classify a Gang of butchers and his head who come to your house, kill you and your Dad and then while having sex with your wife and mother, ask this old man wheather to do Coitus interruptus or ejaculate inside.. An this old man tells them to ejaculate inside !!!
d. what if your wife or sister end up being one of the eleven wives of this Tharki. :
Can you answer…what will you do..if it happens to you…???
You first ready with the answers…and i ll reply on them after your reply…
Again…do you remember…Newton’s third law…??? thats this…!!!
I said na….you guys are really dirty….sorry brahmins…who try to ask questions this way…???
While marriage you used to repeat the mantra na…Your wife is not a wife of you…but also a wife of………!!!…”Mangalyam thanthuna nena….”…so obviously you ll ask the questions…
@SSS
There you are!! This is what I said, you shift gears wen questioned? wen I asked you questions about the deeds of the man you idealise so much, you r answer is – “Can you answer…what will you do..if it happens to you…???”
then you shift to brahmin and other topics !! By the way i am not a brahmin !
nor do i believe in birth-based caste system.
Keep mocking muhammad this way. We need people like you !!
@ Proud to be A Kafir:
You asked me a question and I am also asking you the same question to you for answering….??? Wats wrong in this…???
Based on your answer…i ll comment on that…
You wont believe caste system…but in your blood its there…thats why you have asked those dirty questions…!!!
BTW….can u translate the mantra….recited for marriages…let everyone know whats there…???
If he was not good…he would have been thrown out by his friends itself…this has not happened…why???…..and this one is the only proof for me to prove….he lead a wonderful life….
Dear SSS,
by this logic Adolf hitler is also very holy, Auranzeb, Timur, genghis khan, our khasya, Ravana……etc..
If you think they r not then i think ur biased against them………….
Adolf hitler is also very holy, Auranzeb, Timur, genghis khan, our khasya…etc..
Did any of their friends followed them as Mohammed’s friends followed him and they were then the great leaders…!!!
Please have an analysis before quoting….
I don’t know if Ravana was good or not…sorry to say…he is a proper dravidian..and so he should be a good person…but why Ram killed him…i don’t know…???
@SSS everyone know why Ram ji killed Ravan.
Ravan raped Sita every night, thats why Ram killed him.
Otherwise Ram has forgive him.
@ RamRam:
Stupid…!!! Have you seen that with your naked eye…!!!
Mind your words before speaking…!!!
Ravan was a wonderful person by his nature…!!!
Even Ram doesn’t have a proper reason to kill him…
@SS
All of the above persons freinds didnt follow them because they lost the battle.When Hitler was alive german people use to love him. Was mad behind him. If he wouldnt have lost then he might be the Role model for Europe. And the people like u would have praised him like any thing. He would be Europes Muhammed. And mind u hitler was pure vegetarian,Non-alcholic, patriotic and also devoted to his people and country.
And freinds of Auranzeb,timur etc were following Auranzebs role model i.e, ur beloved muhammad.
@ ganya:
I dont want you to tell me the history of Hitler…I know it better…
Its called by the name racism…a separate races they emerged into picture…as the Brahmins did earlier and doing silently now…
Hitler was pure vegetarian,Non-alcholic, patriotic and also devoted to his people and country.
Being Pure Vegetarian doesn’t mean that he should be good…being alcoholic is a disease…being patriotic depends on the person…and these things doesn’t make a person good…
I would not agree on the word…”devoted to his people and country”…Jews whom he killed were German origins…
Did you noticed…Does any of the Hitler’s friends were noted in the history as great leaders…???
Ans: No
But in case of Mohammed friends, they were noted as an example of great leaders…thats why I asked the comment on Gandhiji’s statement about Mohammed…
Sir…nobody knows ocean…we know only a drop…think in multiple views…make your cup empty…you will get lot of knowledge…
Please have an analysis before quoting……
..Brahmin is not a race….
What ever u call him or hate him, one thing u cannot question is his”PATRIOTISM”
For ur kind info Jews settled in germany after they were kicked out by their home land Israel.Jews were not greman origin.
When Hitler shoot himself his close friend Geobbles and his family also commit suicide because they dont want to live without him. This means according to u a sign of great person…
“Did you noticed…Does any of the Hitler’s friends were noted in the history as great leaders…???
Ans: No”
Ans: It is not recognised because history is written by victor……
Dont take Gandhiji comment on Muhammad seriously….. He was master appeaser of muslim.
Ghandhiji use to propogate about Ram Raj.. and not mohammad raj..
Sir…nobody knows ocean…we know only a drop…think in multiple views…make your cup empty…you will get lot of knowledge…
The muslim view is ripped after seeing all the comments
@Shourya….
Thambi…Nalla keluppaa…..
Did I say anywhere I am a muslim…..??? Dont imagine the things…you ppl have lot of imagination but no analytical thinking….Just analyze…you ppl have very less analyzing capacity….Better to increase them and talk with me…
See the text below….
According to Watt and Richard Bell, recent writers have generally dismissed the idea that Muhammad deliberately deceived his followers, arguing that Muhammad “was absolutely sincere and acted in complete good faith”. Modern secular historians generally decline to address the question of whether the messages Muhammad reported being revealed to him were from “his unconscious, the collective unconscious functioning in him, or from some divine source”, but they acknowledge that the material came from “beyond his conscious mind.”Watt says that sincerity does not directly imply correctness: In contemporary terms, Muhammad might have mistaken for divine revelation his own unconscious. William Montgomery Watt states:
“ Only a profound belief in himself and his mission explains Muhammad’s readiness to endure hardship and persecution during the Meccan period when from a secular point of view there was no prospect of success. Without sincerity how could he have won the allegiance and even devotion of men of strong and upright character like Abu-Bakr and ‘Umar ? … There is thus a strong case for holding that Muhammad was sincere. If in some respects he was mistaken, his mistakes were not due to deliberate lying or imposture ….the important point is that the message was not the product of Muhammad’s conscious mind. He believed that he could easily distinguish between his own thinking and these revelations. His sincerity in this belief must be accepted by the modern historian, for this alone makes credible the development of a great religion. The further question, however, whether the messages came from Muhammad’s unconscious, or the collective unconscious functioning in him, or from some divine source, is beyond the competence of the historian.”
Rudi Paret agrees, writing that “Muhammad was not a deceptor,” and Welch also holds that “the really powerful factor in Muhammad’s life and the essential clue to his extraordinary success was his unshakable belief from beginning to end that he had been called by God. A conviction such as this, which, once firmly established, does not admit of the slightest doubt, exercises an incalculable influence on others. The certainty with which he came forward as the executor of God’s will gave his words and ordinances an authority that proved finally compelling.”
Bernard Lewis, another modern historian, commenting on the common western Medieval view of Muhammad as a self-seeking impostor, states that
“ The modern historian will not readily believe that so great and significant a movement was started by a self-seeking impostor. Nor will he be satisfied with a purely supernatural explanation, whether it postulates aid of divine of diabolical origin; rather, like Gibbon, will he seek ‘with becoming submission, to ask not indeed what were the first, but what were the secondary causes of the rapid growth’ of the new faith ”
Watt rejects the idea of Muhammad’s moral failures from Meccan period to Medinian one and contends that such views has no solid grounds. He argues that “it is based on too facile a use of the principle that all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Watt interprets incidents in the Medinan period in such a way that they mark “no failure in Muhammad to live to his ideals and no lapse from his moral principles.”
Boss….before speaking anything…just analyze…just bcoz you are quoting from something…don’t say thats right….
Just have a proper analysis and say…its true or not…I also know all the above things you said…just quoting the things and speaking vulgarity….won’t help in a long extent…
As I said, Truth always wins…I am supporting Islam bcoz I love Mohammed as a person… but I hate Muslims bcoz they are not behaving in a proper way as said by Islam…don’t misinterpret the things…as though you know everything in the world…
Everyone knows only a drop…not an ocean…with this you cannot say he is a criminal or not…
If Mohammed is a criminal…i am the lawyer for him…you counter argue…but mind your words while arguing….better avoid vulgarity…
@SSS,
It’s funny that you call for reason and blunder thereafter in the same response.
appeal to authority is a logical blunder ..and you do what? ..you bring in watt to put across a viewpoint.
We don;t need watt to test Muhammad against the morals of 7th century arabs..it’s well documented in the history of islam and arabs.
was treating an adopted son like one’s own son prevalent in Muhammad’s time: YES
did Muhammad fail on this moral? YES
‘was marrying your daughterin law moral in Muhammad’s time? NO!
what’s more, the people confronted Muhammad who could find no excuse but to say that Allah has ordered him to marry his daughter-in-law
was marrying you best friend’s daughter the moral norm in Muhammad’s times? No!
so much so ..that when Muhammad said (again) that Allah has asked him to marry his friends 6 year old kid ..Abu Bakr reminded him that he was like a broither to HIM ..But Muhammad would not listten!!
now that’s how one puts one’s case forward..not by quoting some bull from some 1930s book funded by saudi money
Sir…@Indian Agnoustic
This I got from Wikipedia…which most of you ppl refer….
I don’t need any books to refer the life of Mohammed….just thinking would help you a lot to predict…how his life would be…???
Still if it is the way..you think…ok…carry on with your thinking…
All the Best…………!!!!!
Sir @SSS
Wikipedia is not the right place for authentic references…so i stay from quoting from such places
The best resource for Islam is the Sirat, Sahih Hadit and Quran along with other histories documented by the persians and arabs of those times.
you’d find that most of my references on this site are hyperlinks which anybody can corroborate themselves for authenticity.
Also, it’s very ironic that you first started with a heavy emphasis on ‘analysis’ as a tool to find truth ..and now in this post you’ve taken a sharp U turn ….you have come down to hallucination ..you say “Thinking about Muhammad is enough for you” ..to heck with analysis!!
All the best to you sir ..you need it more than me
Best Regards
Sir @Indian Agnostic:
If I am writing about you…that you are bad….does it mean really you are bad…???
Just have a common sense…I can also quote from hadith and Quran…but i dont need to fill the comments section with all those…
How come one hadith says….He was too good and one says bad….???
A baby can understand what the truth behind this….
Still I am saying you “Analyze and think”….I am saying you both….”Analyze” and “Think” again…
Sir @SSS
it’s high time you heed to own advise : Analyze and Think !
Think about what is good/bad according to Islam and what is good/bad according to humanity/science/sociology whateva.
Now lets analyze:
Is it Good to marry your daughter-in-law ?
commonsense and human morality says NO!
Islam says : Yes! it’s Divine! Allah wants that!
Is it Good to sleep with a 9 year old kid?
every sane human being would say NO! it’s disgusting and beastly!
Islam says : Voila It’s great!
Is it good to veil a women ?
science and research says NO! it causes serious vitamin, deficiencies
Islam says : It’s Great!
i can go on and on and on ..but the point is this:
Islam through Muhammad’s example (sunnah) has marked many bads as good.
and that is the reason why you don;t find his example bad ..his sleeping with captive women after killing their husbands on that very day, his marrying his own daughterinlaw, his sleeping with his friends 9 year old daughter ..ALL SEEM TO BE GOOD TO YOUR INDOCTRINATED MIND
and it doesn’t take deep analysis or thinking ..just commonsense to see that all that he did was not good at all ..rather it’s very disturbing detail about someone you call the messenger of God
The child molesters..the rapists ..they must be potential messengers by your argument ..that’s what the analysis breaks down to.
Best regards
@ Indian Agnoustic:
Coming back to your point as ,,,,,….if you are doing all these things.,,…as a friend…do I follow you…
Ans: NO!!!
why? I am doing a wrong thing,,,..which I can understand it by human sense…
Mohammed does all these things…still his friends followed him…!!!
Why? ____________ i leave this place for you to answer….
And they are the great followers of Mohammed….they were the great leaders of the world history…how???
Will anyone even if he is a friend do that…???
Even if he does…what is there for them to do…???
For these I don’t find any answers….???…they are impressed by the way…Mohammed lived…thats the reason…they were the great leaders….
if Mohammed was injustice to Jews…why Umar…ever in the world history…allowed Jews to live and pray in their own place after 500 years of rejection of their own land…
Since bcoz of quoting some hadith…i can’t say he was bad…..better judge from the results….
Still more points…I can also give….about the rulings of Mohammed friends…which Gandhiji stated…in an interview with ‘Young India’ – “I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind… I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life.”
If I say this….then you will say….”Gandhiji as……..”, so I leave it to you…..for further analysis…
Gandhiji stated…in an interview with ‘Young India’ – “I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind… I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life.”
I follow you…,,,,,,,,,
Ans: NO!!!
why? I am doing a wrong thing..which I can understand it by human sense…
Mohammed does all these things…still his friends followed him…!!!
Why? ……………………i leave this place for you to answer….
And they are the great followers of Mohammed….they were the great leaders of the world history…how???
Will anyone even if he is a friend do that…???
Even if he does…what is there for them to do…???
For these I don’t find any answers….???…they are impressed by the way…Mohammed lived…thats the reason…they were the great leaders….
if Mohammed was injustice to Jews…why Umar…ever in the world history…allowed Jews to live and pray in their own place after 500 years of rejection of their own land…
Since bcoz of quoting some hadith…i can’t say he was bad…..better judge from the results….
Coming back to your point….if you are doing all these things…as a friend…do
I follow you…
Ans: NO!!!
why? I am doing a wrong thing..which I can understand it by human sense…
……….please add these words before the comment given above…..
@SSS
Your whole love for Muhammad seems to be due to his friends rather than his own doings! Anyway, I fill up the blank which you asked to fill
Muhammad did all these things, still his friends followed him….. because his friends were equally immoral and fond of lust like him.
Believing in one just because his friends believed in him is stupidity of utmost level. Hope you will come out of it soon brother….
@Arya:
You didn’t reply about Gandhiji’s…!!!
If you call me….utmost stupidity….then what you will say about Gandhiji ….???
Please fill this gap as well….!!!
May God makes the truth to win…!!!
Truth always wins…!!! It will take time….but truth always wins…!!! Hope you will soon identify the truth…!!!
“God! There is no deity except He, the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His throne extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great…..”
SSS BROTHER EVEN ALLAH MADE FUN OF MOHAMMAD IN KORAN
SEE THIS VERSE
“The story of the she-camel who leapt out of a rock and became a prophet was known long before Muhammad” (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29).
NOW DON’T TELL THIS IS ALSO A LIE BECAUSE I AM GIVING THE ARABIC TRANSLATION ALSO IF IT IS NOT IN YOUR KORAN THEN YOUR READING EDITED KORAN SEE BELOW
Kisah unta betina yang jadi nabi telah lama dikenal sebelum Muhammad mengumumkan dirinya sebagai nabi (Suras 7:73-77,85; 91:14; 54:29).
This also explains Muhammad love for camels.
@kaffir786,
Sir….I am asking about Gandhiji’s statement….You are telling something weird….
BTW…I dont know if you have read the verses fully…first read the verses fully…that itself explains you a lot…I dont think…you need a lecture on that…you are pretty much brilliant in understanding the things…
Empty your cup…then knowledge comes inside…My cup is always empty and I am learning lot of things every day…using this website…
SSS BROTHER NOT ONLY YOUR CUP IS EMPTY BUT YOUR BRAIN IS ALSO EMPTY. BY THE WAY TELL THE FULL VERSE OF THIS VERSE. WHY ARE YOU QUOTING GANDHIJI HALF STATEMENT.
Gandhiji also stated that I have read every religious scripture but non is like Vedas and Gita and India does need any other religion other than Sanatan Dharam and he has written letters to Einstein due to which Einstein was greatly impressed with Indian Culture and Indian Scriptures. Einstein believed Abrahamic religions Christanity and Islam as bullshit..
SSS INDIA’S MOST BRILLIANT MUSLIM APJ KALAM HAS CONVERTED TO VEDIC DHARMA FROM ISLAM.
@ Kaffir786:
I didn’t say anything on vedas…!!! Do I…???
I am saying Gandhiji has stated about Mohammed…!!!
Why your brain is not able to accept others…I don’t know…if your brain could be full empty…???
Shouting at others won’t make sense…!!! Cool down first….analyze and then identify the things…Sir…!!!
@SS
Dont take Gandhijiwords seriously.. He was master Muslim appeaser.
Have a look what B.R.Ambedkar has quoted for Ghandhiji
Dr B R Ambedkar paid his tribute to the Muslim Appeasement Bible of Moulana Mahatma Gandhi in these brilliant words: ‘Gandhi has never called the Muslims to account even when they have been guilty of gross crimes against Hindus. It is a notorious fact that many prominent Hindus who had offended the religious susceptibilities of the Muslims either by their writings or by their part in the Shudhi Movement have been murdered by some fanatic Musalmans. The leading Muslims never condemned these criminals. On the contrary, they were hailed as religious martyrs…. This attitude of the Muslims is understandable. What is not understandable is the attitude of Mr. Gandhi.’
if u want more jst visit this link http://www.boloji.com/analysis2/0164.htm
SSS BROTHER if you believe Gandhiji more than Koran and Shahi Hadith then why don’t you worship Gandhiji instead of Mohammad. I do not believe in the Aryan Dravidian or Caste shit so I am using your own logic Ravan was not Dravidian as you proudly state his father was Brahmin or Kshatriya. So by your own logic Ravan was not Dravidian. Aryan Dravidian shit was created so that handful of Britishers can rule large population of Indians Britishers worst nightmare was that when North Indians and South Indians Unite they can in one month overthrow British Raj. So for this reason they created Aryan and Dravidian Bullshit.
Arey Kaffir786:
You will say all these things…as though you are a great judge…!!!
You should not ask me to worship Gandhiji…which Gandhiji himself not allowed…!!!
Ohoo….hehehe….you are saying British has taken advantage over Aryan-Dravidian Bullshit…!!!
Who are there with British guys…till the end of the freedom….you Brahmin stupids…!!!
Don’t blame British…bcoz they ruled us for only 200 years…you made the ppl to be slaves more than centuries…now you are coming and say…I dont believe Bulllshit…!!!
Arey…what I am saying is…this dominancy is on your blood and you won’t accept the things also…
Ask your fellow mates about Brahmin…they will say more about you…!!!
If you are dare enough….say why Ram killed Ravan…???
I think you are Sri Lankan agent who is supporting Lankan Ravan so much you forgot how Sri Lankan army are raping Tamil Hindu womans now do not tell Sri Lankans cannot this because they are your Ravan’s children. IF SOMEBODY TRIED TO RAPE OR KIDNAP YOUR WIFE WHAT WILL YOU DO SAME THING LORD RAM DID.
SSS PAKISTANI IT IS YOU PEOPLE WHO BETRAYED THE COUNTRY BY PARTITIONING THE COUNTRY WITH BRITISH THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS IT.
Adey Pannippayalae…!!!
Which Pakistani will speak Tamil…??? You stupid Brahmin…
This is how you created the partitions of India between Hindus, Christians and Muslims…Still doing the same…Stupid Brahmin…!!! We are aware of your faces…!!!
In the above context…Will you accept…Ravan really had affair with Sita…??? thats the reason Ram killed him…!!!
Stupid Brahmin…!!!…first answer this…
Nice to see your showoff mask of secularism slipping out and you’re dirty mind is coming forward and your fascination for rapist and child molesters are coming forward you are great fan of rapists like Mohammad, Ravan, Abu Bakr and Umer that only show your pervert mind.
SSS PAKISTANI I THINK YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER WHAT ABOUT YOUR COOL ATTITUDE TALIBAN INSIDE YOU WANTS TO COME OUT HA HA HA
I THINK YOU HAVE A FASCINATION FOR PERIYAR YOUR PERIYAR HIMSELF HAS SAID THAT MUSLIMS SHOULD BE CHASED OUT OF INDIA OTHERWISE THEY WILL OCCUPY JOBS AND BETRAY THE COUNTRY WITHOUT HESITATION SEE THE ARTICLE OF PERIYAR BELOW IN HIS ARTICLE “MINORITY COMMUNITY” (see ‘Periyar EVR Sinthanaigal’ Vol. 1, page 46; all subsequent references to Periyar are from Vol. 1, Vol. 2 and Vol. 3 of this work edited by Anaimuthu). Says Periyar:
“Under any definition of nationality, in any nation, if people who are a minority in terms of population, in terms of religion or in terms of culture, control power and wield authority, it will be disastrous for the wellbeing and development of that nation. The brahmins and their womenfolk who constitute 3 per cent of our population, without contributing one bit for common societal good, and by commanding us ‘Stay away, don’t come in contact with me’, are leading a luxurious life. The Muslims, who comprise 6 per cent of the population, without doing any coolie work or labour that involves the flexing of bodies, do not let our gaze fall on their women even if these women belong to families that beg for a living, are also enjoying a good life in this country.”
“If these be their religious dharma and their religious practice, in whose nation? Amidst which people? Whose religious dharma? Whose religious practice? And who is being insulted by this?
“The products of such minority-appeasing privileges will be ‘betrayal’ and ‘blatant betrayal’. And this is already happening. In our country, selfish irresponsible people who work against the society’s interests use these minorities as a support base and can stoop to do anything. We feared the brahmin, and yielded extra space for the Muslims. We are facing the consequences today. It’s like that old proverb: fearing the dung, we have stepped on shit.
“Why did the Muslims betray? The Muslims must give a satisfactory explanation to the people,” wrote Periyar in 1962. But even in 1954 his position was similar. He referred to Tamil Nadu’s Christians and Muslims as ‘non-Tamils’:
“In Tamil Nadu’s entire population it seems the brahmins are 2.75 per cent, the Christians 4 per cent, the Muslims about 5 per cent, the Malayalis 8 per cent, those from Karnataka are it seems 5 per cent – if we combine these, it emerges that the non-Tamils in Tamil Nadu constitute 25 per cent of the population. However, in employment these non-Tamils hold 75 per cent of the top posts. Not just that, the reason why the Tamils are suffering is because the brahmins, Christians, Muslims and others claim themselves to be Tamil.”
Adey Pannippayalae…!!!
Which Pakistani will speak Tamil…??? You stupid Brahmin…
Periyar…was a good person…and a bad person to Brahmins…not to Christians and Muslims…Don’t tell me the story of Periyar…
How he was angry with Brahmins…we know…!!!
Just because you have written something…whatever you said is not correct…!!!
You are really a stupid brahmin to say these things…
Which Tamilian is suffering now…??? We are good in India and outside…!!!
You dominating guys…all ways do the fox works to create hatred among the people…!!!
This article is true brother it came in Outlook magazine Periyar said that Muslims are more dangerous than Brahmins so according to Periyar himself Muslims are more dangerous than Snakes, your denial attitude will not change the truth Pakistani, many ISI agents and terrorist were caught in Tamil Nadu who knew Tamil very nicely Sinhalese also know tamil nicely. I have told I am not a Brahmin then also you are after it when you have nothing to say you bring caste system the truth is Muslim have 10000 times more powerful caste system see below.
BRAHMIN=MULLAHS
KSHATRIYA=AMIR/SHEIKHS
VAISHAYAS=MUSLIM BUISNESS CLASS
SHUDRAS=POOR MUSLIMS, WOMANS, NON-WAHABIS LIKE SUFIS AHMADIYAS AND NON-MUSLIMS.
@ Ajay aka Kaffir786:
Adey Ajay payalae…!!!
One of the sayings of Periyar in tamil…
“Paappanayum paambaiyum paarththaal…paambai vittu vidu aana paapaanai vidaathey…ivan athai vida kodiyavan…”
means in English….
“If you happen to see a Brahmin and a Snake…leave Snake and kill Brahmin…because Brahmin is worst and poisonous than a Snake…!!!”
Namma kittayae vaa…!!! Thambi alanthu pesuppaa….!!!
@SSS the word Dravid itself was first used by Adi Shankar which has the root in “Dravya” (liquid) and “idh”(wothy of priase/praise) i.e the people who hold the liquid(probably water) as sacred i.e the people of the indian penunsula are called dravid by Adi shankar and the same appears in the national Anthem “Dravid uthkal banga” Veda no where mentiones dravid, it the indologist who matched dasya/dasa with dravid whic makes no sense to the informed mind and one who is versed with the veda..
@ आर्यव्रतस्थ:
Now you will say…”Dravid was formed by Adishankar….”, then you will say…Adishankar as God…
Stupid…!!! Go and read the histories and identify…
Dravidians are pure in their worship…till Aryans came into picture…and you Aryans made all the bullshit…!!!
i would not say that Adishankar is/was god but from your view point and understanding he was a dravidian and thus whatever he said was true and as he held veda the highest and foremost so aryans are the best !!!??? .. what do you say bout this circular logic.(even though i dont believe in that)
anyways can you refer to me what histories should i read to get the correct picture of the PURE DRAVIDIAN( thought Dravidian is not a word in any langueage but english)
@ आर्यव्रतस्थ:
Go and read the stories…how aryans invaded India…!!!
are you talking about NCERT and school books? , and the aryan invasion theory is proved false and around 1990′s
Muslims have done so much atrocities on us I wonder why are we allowing them to live with us we should chase them to Pakistan each one of them. In Pakistan and Bangladesh Hindus are harassed daily either they are forced to leave the country or converted to Islam. In Malaysia 10000 Hindu temples were destroyed with idols in it. So this is the real nature of Muslims do to them what they do us. We should make Muslims lives hell here so that leave our country and our country becomes clean from these scum.
Sandeep Bro,
The problem is not humans but their misguided adamant ignorance.
Indian muslims are no different than any other Indian.It’s just that a significant number of these muslims are ignorant of the conditions which led our ancestors to succumb to Islam, neither do they know that the Islamic doctrine is not logically tenable and unfortunately they are unaware of the sheer hatred the quran teaches against non-muslims
The moderate muslim is a seasonal creature ..He would pop up after each terror attack to teach us that Islam means ‘peace’ ..He would be invisible for the rest of the times
But then again sir, Indian muslims are our brothers ..We need to make them aware of the reality of Islam ..i guess nothing more than that should be thought about.
and believe me , knowledge is much much more powerful tool to bring any indoctrinated mind to humanity and compassion ..at least on an internet forum
Swami Vivekananda (1863-1902), Indian spiritualist
On 9/11/1893 at World Parliament of Religions, Chicago he said to the gathering
“We who had come from the east have sat here day after day and have been told in a patronizing way that we ought to accept Christianity because Christian nations are the most prosperous. We look about us and we see England the most prosperous Christian nation in the world, with her foot upon the neck of 250,000,000 Asiatics. We look back into history and see that the prosperity of Christian Europe begin with Spain. Spain’s prosperity began with the invasion of Mexico. Christianity wins its prosperity by cutting the throats of its fellow men. At such a price the Hindoo will not have prosperity.
They come to my country and abuse my forefathers, my religion, and everything; they walk near a temple and say ‘you idolators, you will go to hell’, but they dare not do this to the Mohammedans of India, for the sword will be out, but the Hindu is too mild.
And may I ask you, Europeans, what country you have ever raised to better conditions? Wherever you have found weaker races, you have exterminated them by the roots, as it were. You have settled on their lands, and they are gone for ever. What is the history of your America, your Australia, and New Zealand, your Pacific Islands and South Africa? Where are the aboriginal races there today? They have all been exterminated, you have killed them outright, as if they were wild beasts. It is only where you have not the power to do so, and there only, that other nations are still alive.
If Christianity is a saving power in itself, why has it not saved the Ethiopians, the Abyssinians?”
The brahmins and oother upper castes would be happy if they are made SC/STs in today’s India for getting reservation benefits. Even the Dalit Christians and Dalit Muslims want reservation benefits!!
Mughalistan (or Mughalstan) is the name of an independent homeland proposed for the Muslims of India. This Mughal-Muslim state in the Indian subcontinent will include all of North India and Eastern India, and will be formed by merging Pakistan and Bangladesh through a large corridor of land running across the Indo-Gangetic plain, the heartland of India. This Mughalistan corridor will comprise Muslim-majority areas of Northern India and eastern India that will be partitioned for the second time in history.
The comprehensive plan for a second partition of India was first developed by the Mughalstan Research Institute (MRI) of Jahangir Nagar University (Bangladesh) under the patronage of the two intelligence agencies, Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and Bangladesh’s Director General of Forces Intelligence, DGFI. The “Mughalistan Reaserch Institute of Bangladesh” has released a map where a Muslim corridor named “Mughalistan” connects Pakistan and Bangladesh via India.
The Pakistani Punjabi-dominated ISI’s influence on MRI is evident even in the Punjabi-centric pronunciation of the word ‘Mughalstan’ (without the “i”), instead of the typical Urdu pronunciation (Mughalistan). Islamic Jihadis in India have been well-armed and well-funded by the neighbouring Islamic regimes, as part of Operation Topac – the late Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq’s grandiose plot to balkanize India.
Not surprisingly, Osama Bin Laden has thrown his support behind the concept and creation of this Greater Pakistan to “liberate” the Muslims of India from the Hindus. The Mumbai underworld (led by Karachi-based don Dawood Ibrahim who executed the gruesome 1993 Mumbai bombings), Jamaat-e-Islami, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Hizbul Mujahideen have declared their unified support for creating this undivided Islamic nation in the Indian subcontinent. The Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and Indian Mujahideen are working in tandem with the aforementioned organizations to waged Jihad against the Hindus of India.
It is important to note that in its “holy war” against India, the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba has openly declared Hindus to be the “enemies of Islam” who should all be converted or killed. The Lashkar-e-Tayyaba group has repeatedly claimed through its journals and websites that its main aim is to destroy the Indian republic and to annihilate Hinduism. Jaish-e-Mohammed has vowed to “liberate” not just Kashmir, but also to hoist the Islamic flag atop the historic Red Fort after capturing New Delhi and the rest of India.
SIMI has championed the “liberation of India through Islam” and aim to restore the supremacy of Islam through the resurrection of the Khilafat (Islamic Caliphate), emphasis on the Muslim Ummah (Islamic) and the waging of Jihad on the Indian state, secularism, democracy and nationalism – the basic keystones of the Indian Constitution – as these concepts are antithetical to Islam. The Indian Mujahideen have sent several emails claiming responsibility for several bombings in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad (in Uttar Pradesh), Bangalore, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and New Delhi in 2007 and 2008. The emails refer to notorious Islamic conquerors of India (Mohammed bin Qasim, Mohammad Ghauri and Mahmud Ghaznawi) as their role-models, refer to Hindu blood as “blood to be the cheapest of all mankind” and taunt Hindus that their “[Hindu] history is full of subjugation, humiliation, and insult [at the hands of Islamic conquerors]“.
The Indian Mujahideen’s emails warn the Hindus to “Accept Islam and save yourselves” and or else face a horrible fate: – “Hindus! O disbelieving faithless Indians! Haven’t you still realized that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of ram, krishna and hanuman are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah, from being slaughtered by our [Muslim] hands?”
I AM GREATER THAN YOU ALL… BECAUSE MY RELIGION IS HIGH ABOVE AND IT IS BEYOND YOUR REACH…..IT IS MORE SPIRITUAL AND DIVINE….
MY RELIGION NAME IS ‘HUMANITY’…:)
LOVE YOU ALL…
EXPECTING YOU ALL TO BECOME ‘HUMAN’ AS SOON AS POSSIBLE…
I AM GREATER THAN YOU ALL… BECAUSE MY RELIGION IS HIGH ABOVE AND IT IS BEYOND YOUR REACH…..IT IS MORE SPIRITUAL AND DIVINE….
MY RELIGION NAME IS ‘HUMANITY’…:)
LOVE YOU ALL…
WAITING FOR YOU ALL TO BECOME ‘A HUMAN’ AS SOON AS POSSIBLE…
WITH REGARDS,
ONLY FOR HUMANS
Great message but with a single flaw
say ..i am EQUAL to you all ..rather than i am GREATER than you all
with regards
for humans and wannabe humans
@HUMAN
This will help you further dear. http://agniveer.com/1634/vedic-religion/
@arya and @indian agnoist
i am not equal to all of you…
u all are talking and criticizing each others religion…
have you noticed that you are going through each others religion for any reason…either to criticize or to pull leg or etc…
but this shows that u all are taking the name of each others god unintentionally… n this proves that u all are somehow remembering the divine power .. HINDU RECALLING ALLAH …AND…MUSLIM RECALLING RAM…
but what god thinks… what are we offering to our beautiful nature…???
a simple thing…HUMANS ARE THE WASTE MATERIALS THAT WERE EXCRETED AT THE WRONG PLACE… AND NOW NEEDS TO BE FLUSHED OUT… so what our nature is doing…
ishwar allah tere naam ….
sabko sanmatti de bhagwaan…
with regards,
only for those who actually are humans…
and not religious material…
love you all…
@Human
unfortunately, by your very own standard of believing that ‘humans are waste materials’ you lose the right to call yourself one!
Real humans discard all religions in favoir of humanity ..and that is what Arya and I do ..it’s just that your ‘waste material’ was not smart enough to capture that sentiment in all our posts.
also visit this sites ‘test of secularism section’ ..it talks about ishwar alla tero naam to be sung by BOTH hindus and muslims ..only if it is possible for the muslim brothers to say that ishvar and allah are the same ..i by the way care for none
love all of humanity including the ones who consider themselves waste materials
i am a firm believer in recycling
@HUMAN
I pray my dear brother, you will understand the difference between criticism and discussion some day. But anyway, whatever you have written here, can also be said as our criticism, which you have unintentionally done! But there is nothing for us to get disheartened with that. Because for us, it is just another viewpoint, which give us opportunity to look at ourselves and helps us getting better.
Thanks a lot for loving us! We love you too…
i remebered a case where….a muslim family helped hindu and a hindu helped a muslim family….during the time of riots on 6 dec 1992…
case- there was a hindu old lady who was alone at her home was being beaten up harshly by a group of muslim young ones… the muslim family next door protest and managed to make her escape…she went off… few days after … the very young boy of this family was lost…
waiting for months,all lost their hopes… right in the midnight there was a knock …they opened and found their child standing with the same old lady holding her hand…
what had happened actually???
this old lady was a servant at mr . x house who was unfortunately a muslim and was a cousin of the same fellow…mr. x took an advantage of the riots between hindu and muslim and kidnapped their child in order to make him a slave…mr. x was a rich man, though both belonged to a same family had a dispute on a property matter , in which mr. x have all in his possesion…and this gentle and humble family believed that hindus must have killed their son. the old lady,recognised the child…she wait for a safe sight and not losing a chance, added sleeping pills to their food and managed to get the boy out from there… there are ‘n’ no. of such cases where there is a situational fault and a dirty politics.
now just tell me one thing where was ALLAH and RAM at that moment???
they may have signalled these fellows to help each other…
this means they both don’t fight atleast to help their fellow beings…
@Human
This is exactly what i am also talking about ..No matter how much force religion exerts on individuals ..the innate HUMANITY of a few can never be suppressed.
and in the light of the same ..i keep asking my fellow Indians to scrutinize their religious dogmas..as a catalyst i am just sharing with them the realities of their doctrines ..the end goal being for THEM to decide if they place humanity over religion or not
i am doing a thankless job and you are welcome to be 1+ in the count that that finds my job futile
Sarvesham Sukhinah Bhavatu
@ arya and @ indian agnoist
it is great that you all use synonms for criticism…
as concerned as my right to call my self human…it is bound with the actions of each ones action together…
whereas waste material is concerned…it is our behaviour that is making our presence look like a waste material…
i ll keep loving u and even those who love waste materials but aren’t trying the same…
@agnoist: i agree u on the point ishwar allah…
it is mr . zakir naik one amongst the politicians who is willing to mislead our muslim brothers…only to have his own position in his own society..
SITES LIKE TRUTHOFHINDUISM.COM AND OTHER PAKISTANI SITES WHICH PROMOTE LIES AGAINST HINDUISM USES THE ARTICLES OF ABUL KASEM WITHOUT KNOWING THAT HE WAS BRUTALLY CRUSHED BY RAJU MALIGER SEE THIS REBUTTAL OF RAJU MALIGER
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nn_ztILFxEYJ:www.lulu.com/content/content_download_redirect.php%3FmetaId%3D2732056+Atharva+Veda+20/96/15&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in
Hey Kafir , do you know Agniveer posted Anti-Islamic articles of same abul kasem in muhammad as per islamic text article. If raju maliger defeated him than his anti -islamics articles are also a lie otherwise you are a double standard fanatic.
Brother Steve,
This is the problem with most of our Muslim brothers that they think of humans like binary number system. You think that either any person is one (perfect) or zero (nothing). The first type is called prophet in Islamic terms and second type constitute common people (Although this second type has further divisions, but lets leave it for now). But reality is quite different. Everyone lies between zero and one. No one is absolute zero or absolute one. For you, an idol worshipper will go to hell for sure even if he is a noble person in most of other activities. Allah assigns him zero regardless of his positive deeds. On the other hand a rapist, pedophile, invader will go to heaven regardless of his bad deeds because Allah is oft forgiving most merciful.
But brother, logic says otherwise. Islam believes one person as perfect and then each command and act of this “perfect” person is accepted as perfect without an error and then starts the dirty game of defending sick practices like pedophilia, abduction, loot, and even rape. But logic says that a person is perfect (not in absolute terms) if his/her deeds are perfect. This is the way rational people think because there is no blind faith involved in this mechanism.
We dont accept/reject anything just because that has been said by a prophet or Satan. Because we dont believe in prophets and Satan in first place. Rather we judge every act or claim of someone on moral and logical ground and then we decide whether something is worth accepting or rejecting. We dont reject the claim of anyone just because some Mantra has been quoted from Anti Hindu sites, rather we analyze the Mantra and try to give the true meaning of Mantra as per best of our knowledge. Similarly we dont accept everything written by Swami Dayanand just because he was a Rishi or scholar. We can differ with him at many places. We dont consider anyone other than Eeshvar to be perfect.
But since you believe in this mechanism of binary number systems, I ask you, when it is proven that Zakir Naik has copied all the portion regarding prophecy of Muhammad in Hindu scriptures (please visit http://agniveer.com/645/naikexposed/ to read more) from Qadiyani Maulana Abdul Haque, why dont you ask the same question to Zakir Naik that why does he copy paste from Qadiyani sources? Does he accept that Qadiyani ideology is correct? And you have problems with Agniveer who has acknowledged the author of the work which he presented, but Zakir did not even do that! He simply acted like a thief!
Anyway brother, hope you will think whatever I have said and will give logic some more importance in whatever work you do.
Best regards
Steve Brother,that is the point I want to tell brother, you and other muslims friends being muslims themselves give reference from anti-islamic sites and anti-muslim people like Abul Kasem but accuses us of copy pasting from anti-islamic sites that is sheer hypocrisy. Here 90%-95% of the Muslims give translations from Abul Kasem, your so called “anti-islamic guy” to put mud on Vedas your Yeahme aka Pinku is overenthusiastic to give translations from Abul Kasem. If you felt that we are giving reference from Abul Kasem why didn’t you tell us at that time this shows your own hypocrisy because that will expose your own lies that you yourself are copying and pasting from anti-Islamic and anti-Muslim person like Abul Kasem, which you yourself don’t trust and believe.
As we all know that Islam has many fallacies, but can we summarise all into just few points lets say five or ten points? That too not in deep, because many of them are not scholars but still they want to debate with us. After giving them a few set of questions and let him/her to research on them. Is it possible?
Few from my side, please correct me if i am wrong.
1) If Islam preaches peace then why half of the world is suffering from ISLAMIC terrorism? why they are bombing on their own sects and on the other faith people.
2) If Islam preaches tolerance then why people of the other faiths(in Islamic country) are not allowed to spread their religion?
3) If Islam suits science then why most of the inventors are non-muslims, on contrary muslims didn’t invented a thing which can help to humanity.
4) …
Likewise
Thanks
What muslims invented. in which world you are living..
visit 1001inventions.com. a complete list of muslims inventions..
Algebra was invenetd by Muslims
Camera was invented by muslims,
Surgical instruments were invented by Muslims,
Shirt and pants were invented by Muslims and many more…
Get yourself updated ..
@Muinz
Interesting to see
1. inventors of Algebra inviting civil Engineers of west to construct buildings in Saudi
2. inventors of camera becoming non Muslims as any picture, painting is Haram as per islam,
3. inventors of surgical instruments going to west for surgery
4. and last but not the least, inventors of shirt and pants, wearing Pajama themselves!
Who needs updation Brother?
Have you visited the link 1001inventions.com you will find the complete list.
what you people have invented .. except KAMASUTRA…
@Muinz
And moreover, Zakir Naik himself said muslims are not the best in science and construction. He admits when it comes to technology, they happily invite others from the west, which shows muslims are zero in technology.
Muslims invented algebra???? Wow, this means Sir Isaac Newton, (the inventor of calculus) had to rely on muslims to make his theory of derivatives.
Listen please come to this site only if you want to debate regarding religious issues, by posting comic comments and making us laugh is not going to help you.
you can crack jokes by saying your so called religion is the way of life and then say there is no hell and heaven?? what a joke .
Also just visit the link 1001inventions.com and you will be educated.
Vvisit miraclesofthequran.com you will come to know the truth which you are unaware of..
Can you tell me what you people invented except KAMASUTRA,BROTHELS<PORN mOVIES..
This is a response to all Manusmriti lovers
Manu Smriti: Interpolation A Detailed Analysis
(Manu 2/8. But a learned man after fully scrutinising all this with the eye of knowledge, should, in accordance with the authority of the revealed texts, be intent on the performance of his duties.)
Manu himself says that all learned persons after fully testifying with the eyes of knowledge and in accordance with authority tests the Vedas perform our duties. So acceptance of Manu smriti or rejection of Manu smriti must be defined after throughout analysis .My attempt to write this article is based on these assumptions only. Rest the readers will decide after going through it.
Manusmriti is one of the religious texts commonly known not for its Vedic concepts but a text which supports castism, inferior status of women, meat eating etc. The book is considered by a good fraction of society as a biased book used by bunch of upper castes to prove that castism was prevalent in Vedic times. Most of us will also reach same impression if we read it throughout and will not accept it as religious text to be followed.
Swami Dayanand great Vedic scholar writes in his famous magnum opus satyarth prakash that I believe in that part of Manu smriti which is not interpolated and is in accordance with the Vedas.
After going through various religious texts from Vedas to Manu smriti he founded that what Manu smriti we reads today is not the original ideas of Swayambhu Manu , the first king of this life circle. He founded these texts as heavily interpolated, self contradicting, against Vedas, injudicious. He was pioneer in establishing the concept of interpolations in Manu smriti thus justifying not even with the name of Maharishi Manu but also with the millions of so called dalits who faced caste based discrimination due to interpolations. Swami Dayanand also contributed to upliftment of womanhood by rejecting those shaloks of Manu smriti which tries to frame inferior status of womanhood in society.
We will understand the interpolations in better way after analysing the shaloks of Manu smriti.
Manu And Shudra
Manu maharishi was not biased and promoter of castism.
He propagated varn vyastha which was based on merits not on basis of birth. In later times some ignorant Brahmins for fulfilling their wicked desires, to secure advantage over others framed interpolations in Manu smriti to prove castism based on birth.
Following are the shaloks from Manu smriti which promotes varn vyastha based on merits.
2/157. As an elephant made of wood, as an antelope made of leather, such is an unlearned Brahmana; those three have nothing but the names (of their kind).
2/28. By the study of the Veda, by vows, by burnt oblations, by (the recitation of) sacred texts, by the (acquisition of the) threefold sacred science, by offering (to the gods, Rishis, and manes), by (the procreation of) sons, by the great sacrifices, and by (Srauta) rites this (human) body is made fit for (union with) Brahman.
(The above shalok proves that by great dedication and works only a person can become Brahmin not by merely taking birth to a Brahmin father )
The varn of a person was decided after completion of his education. Two births were considered for a person in Vedic period. First was when he was born to his parents second was after completing his education. It was after second birth (twice born) varn of person was decided. The following shalok from Manu smriti proves this concept.
2/148. But that birth which a teacher acquainted with the whole Veda, in accordance with the law, procures for him through the Savitri, is real, exempt from age and death.
2/146. Of him who gives natural birth and him who gives (the knowledge of) the Veda, the giver of the Veda is the more venerable father; for the birth for the sake of the Veda (ensures) eternal (rewards) both in this (life) and after death.
(The second birth after education is considered as more important than the first birth)
A person who remained uneducated with the knowledge of Vedas was considered a Sudra. Sudra varn was not based on birth but on merits.
10/4. Brahmana, the Kshatriya, and the Vaisya castes (Varna) are the twice-born (educated) ones, but the fourth, the Sudra, has one birth only; there is no fifth (caste).
2/172. He who has not been initiated with teaching of the Vedas is like a Sudra.
Manu also advised not to insult person of lower Varna.
4/141. Let him not insult those who have redundant limbs or are deficient in limbs, nor those destitute of knowledge, nor very aged men, nor those who have no beauty or wealth, nor those who are of low birth.
Why Manu started varn vyastha?
1/31. But for the sake of the prosperity of the worlds he caused the Brahmana, the Kshatriya, the Vaisya, and the Sudra varn origin in form of body of society as its mouth, its arms, its thighs, and its feet.
(Few ignorant considers sudras origin from feet of god which is totally wrong as god is considered as formless in Vedas so from where feet’s or head of formless god will originate)
Then god prescribed different occupations for different Varna.
1/87. But in order to protect this universe He, the most resplendent one, assigned separate (duties and) occupations to those as done in a body by mouth, arms, thighs, and feet.
1/88. To Brahmanas he assigned teaching and studying (the Veda), sacrificing for their own benefit and for others, giving and accepting (of alms).
1/89. The Kshatriya he commanded to protect the people, to bestow gifts, to offer sacrifices, to study (the Veda), and to abstain from attaching himself to sensual pleasures;
1/90. The Vaisya to tend cattle, to bestow gifts, to offer sacrifices, to study (the Veda), to trade, to lend money, and to cultivate land.
1/91. One occupation only the lord prescribed to the Sudra, to serve these (other) three castes.
(Manu considered anyone who is quality less as a Sudra so any uneducated person is fit only for service work for others so Manu advised service work for sudras.)
Manu also advised changing of allotted Varna in Manu smriti. This option proves that varn vyastha was changeable and not based on birth but on merits.
10/65. (Thus) a Sudra attains the rank of a Brahmana, and (in a similar manner) a Brahmana sinks to the level of a Sudra; but know that it is the same with the offspring of a Kshatriya or of a Vaisya.
9/335. (A Sudra who is) pure, accompanies betters, gentle in his speech, and free from pride, and always seeks a refuge with Brahmanas, attains a higher Varna (Brahmana, Kshatriya or Vaisya) based on his qualities.
4/245. A Brahmana who always connects himself with the most excellent (ones), and shuns all inferior ones, (himself) becomes most distinguished; by an opposite conduct he becomes a Sudra.
(There is English proverb that company makes a man better) it seems that Manu smriti is origin of this proverb.
2/103. But he who does not worships in morning, nor in the evening, is like a Sudra and he shall be excluded, just like a Sudra, from all the duties and rights of an Aryan.
2/168. A twice-born man who, not having studied the Veda, applies himself to other (and worldly study), soon falls, even while living, to the condition of a Sudra and his descendants (after him).
2/126. A Brahmana who does not know the form of returning a salutation, they must not be saluted by a learned man; they must be considered as a Sudra.
Any Sudra can teach the other castes also
2/238. He who possesses faith may receive pure learning even from a man of lower caste (Sudra), the highest law even from the lowest, and an excellent wife even from a base family.
2/241. It is prescribed that in times of distress (a student) may learn (the Veda) from one who is not a Brahmana; and that he shall walk behind and serve (such a) teacher, as long as the instruction lasts
Superior Rights given by Manu to sudras
2/136. Wealth, kindred, age, (the due performance of) rites, and, fifthly, sacred learning are titles to respect; but each later-named (cause) is more weighty (than the preceding ones).
2/137. Whatever man of the three (highest) castes possesses most of those five, both in number and degree, that man is worthy of honour among them; and (so is) also a Sudra who has entered the tenth (decade of his life).
(In above shalok Manu gives respect to any Sudra who is in tenth decade of life.)
3/116. After the Brahmanas, the kinsmen, and the servants have dined, the householder and his wife may afterwards eat what remains.
(House holders are advised by Manu to dine after sudras or servants)
8/335. Neither a father, nor a teacher, nor a friend, nor a mother, nor a wife, nor a son, nor a domestic priest must be left unpunished by a king, if they do not keep within their duty.
8/336. Where another common man would be fined one karshapana, the king shall be fined one thousand; that is the settled rule.
8/337. In (a case of) theft the guilt of a Sudra shall be eightfold, that of a Vaisya sixteen fold, that of a Kshatriya two-and-thirtyfold,
8/338. That of a Brahmana sixty-fourfold, or quite a hundredfold, or (even) twice four-and-sixtyfold; (each of them) knowing the nature of the offence.
(Manu advises strict punishment for a higher varn Brahman than a lower varn Sudra. The above shaloks proves that Manu was not biased for sudras. He considered sin as bigger one for learned one than for ignorant one)
Following are the examples of changing of varn vyastha in past.
Rishi Brahma son Manu swayambhu himself born to a Brahman became Kshatriya king.
Manu eldest son Priyavrat became king, a Kshatriya. Out of his ten sons seven became kings while three became Brahman. Their names were Mahavir, Kavi and Savan. (Ref bhagwat puran chap.5)
Kavash –ailush was born to a Sudra and attained varn of a Rishi. He became mantra-drashta to numerous Vedic mantras in Rig-Veda 10th Mandal.
Jabala’s son Satyakaam born from unknown father became Rishi by his qualities.
In similar way son of a Dasi (maid) Kanav became a Rishi.
Matang became a Rishi after his birth in low Varna.
Maharishi Valmiki was born in inferior Varna and became Rishi.
Mahatma Vidur was born to a Dasi (maid) and became prime minister of Dhritrasthra.
Raja Vishavnath a Kshatriya became a Brahman Rishi Vishwamitra
There are many examples of varn vyastha to inferior level.
Ravan king of Lanka was son of a Brahmin Rishi Pultasya.
Shri Ram ancestor Raja Raghu’s son Pravidh was declared inferior varn due to lack of qualities.
Shri ram ancestor Raja Samar’s son Asmanjhas was declared Sudra due to his bad qualities.
Now compare the above shaloks with the below ones from Manu smriti
9/317. A Brahmana, be he ignorant or learned, is a great divinity, just as the fire, whether carried forth (for the performance of a burnt-oblation) or not carried forth, is a great divinity.
9/319. Thus, though Brahmanas employ themselves in all (sorts of) mean (inferior)
Occupations, they must be honoured in every way; for (each of) them is a very great deity.
8/20. A Brahmana who subsists only by the name of his caste (gati), or one who merely calls himself a Brahmana (though his origin be uncertain), may, at the king’s pleasure, interpret the law to him, but never a Sudra.
8/21. The kingdom of that monarch, who looks on while a Sudra settles the law, will sink (low), like a cow in a morass.
8/270. A once-born man (a Sudra), who insults a twice-born man with gross invective, shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin.
8/271. If he mentions the names and castes (gati) of the (twice-born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red-hot into his mouth.
8/272. If he arrogantly teaches Brahmanas their duty, the king shall cause hot oil to be poured into his mouth and into his ears.
8/417. A Brahmana may confidently seize the goods of (his) Sudra (slave); for, as that (slave) can have no property, his master may take his possessions.
3/156. He who teaches for a stipulated fee and he who is taught on that condition, he who instructs Sudra pupils and he whose teacher is a Sudra, he who speaks rudely, the son of an adulteress, and the son of a widow,
4/80. Let him not give to a Sudra advice, nor the remnants (of his meal), nor food offered to the gods; nor let him explain the sacred law (to such a man), nor impose (upon him) a penance.
4/81. For he who explains the sacred law (to a Sudra) or dictates to him a penance, will sink together with that (man) into the hell (called) Asamvrita.
4/99. Let him not recite (the texts) indistinctly, nor in the presence of Sudras; nor let him, if in the latter part of the night he is tired with reciting the Veda, go again to sleep.
The above examples proves that interpolations had been done in Manu smriti and if in a single book two different self contradicting statements are given then it’s definite that the unacceptable one of them is false. Manu smriti advices sudras based on merits not on basis of birth, varn decided after completion of studies, right of change of Varna’s, stricter punishment for upper non sudras. Thus how can we blame Manu smriti of biased towards sudras. It is interpolations which are responsible for such heinous crime and to be rejected.
Manu And Woman
Stand of Manu smriti on womanhood must be analysed by unbiased way. The ignorant group of Brahmans tried to frame superiority of man over women and interpolated many shaloks in Manu smriti. We will understand this foul play by reading following shaloks.
Women are given preference ahead of others.
3/56. Where women are honoured, there the gods are pleased; but where they are not honoured, no sacred rite yields rewards.
9/26. Those wives or striyah who bears children, who secure many blessings, who are worthy of worship and who irradiate (their) dwellings by prosperity, there is no difference between them and goddesses of fortune.
2/ 138. Way must be made for a man in a carriage, for one who is above ninety years old, for one diseased, for the carrier of a burden, for a woman, for a Snataka(educated), for the king, and for a bridegroom.
3/114. Without hesitation he may give food, even before his guests, to the following persons, (viz.) to newly-married women, to infants, to the sick, and to pregnant women.
Women are ranked important in family.
3/60. In that family, where the husband is pleased with his wife and the wife with her husband, happiness will assuredly be lasting.
3/62. If the wife is radiant with happiness, the whole house is heaven; but if she is destitute of happiness, all will appear hell.
3/59. Hence men, who seek (their own) welfare, should always honour women on holidays and festivals with (gifts of) ornaments, clothes, and (dainty) food.
3/55. Women must be honoured and adorned by their fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law, who desire (their own) welfare.
9/13. Drinking (spirituous liquor), associating with wicked people, separation from the husband, rambling abroad, sleeping (at unseasonable hours), and dwelling in other men’s houses, are the six causes of the ruin of women.
If women are not happy in family that family is perished.
3/57. Where the female relations live in grief, the family soon wholly perishes; but that family where they are not unhappy ever prospers.
3/58. The houses, on which female relations, not being duly honoured, pronounce a curse, perish completely, as if destroyed by magic.
Women are the source of happiness in a family.
9/28. Offspring’s, the due performance on religious rites, faithful service, highest conjugal happiness and heavenly bliss for the ancestors and oneself, depend on one’s wife alone.
Never quarrel with your wife.
4/180. With his father and his mother, with female relatives, with a brother, with his son and his wife, with his daughter and with his servants, let him not have quarrels.
No one should leave their wives.
8/389. Neither a mother, nor a father, nor a wife, nor a son shall be cast off; he who casts them off, unless guilty of a crime causing loss of caste, shall be fined six hundred (panas).
Son and daughter are equal as per Manu smriti.
9/130. A son is even (as) oneself, (such) a daughter is equal to a son; how can another (heir) take the estate, while such (an appointed daughter who is even) oneself, lives?
9/131. But whatever may be the separate property of the mother, that is the share of the unmarried daughter alone; and the son of an (appointed) daughter shall take the whole estate of (his maternal grandfather) who leaves no son.
9/192. But when the mother has died, all the uterine brothers and the uterine sisters shall equally divide the mother’s estate.
9/212. His uterine brothers, having assembled together, shall equally divide it, and those brothers who were reunited (with him) and the uterine sisters.
Remarriage allowed in Manu smriti.
9/176. If she be (still) a virgin, or one who returned (to her first husband) after leaving him, she is worthy to again perform with her second (or first deserted) husband the (nuptial) ceremony.
Women should beget husband of her choice and good qualities.
9/90. Three years let a damsel wait, though she is marriageable; but after that time let her choose for herself a bridegroom of her choice.
9/89. (But) the maiden, though marriageable, should rather stop in (the father’s) house until death, than that he should ever give her to a man destitute of good qualities.
Care of alone women prescribed by government in Manu smriti and any one depending on women is consider as sinner.
8/28. In like manner care must be taken of barren women, of those who have no sons, of those whose family is extinct, of wives and widows faithful to their lords, and of women afflicted with diseases.
8/29. A righteous king must punish like thieves those relatives who appropriate the property of such females during their lifetime.
3/52. But those (male) relations, who, in their folly, live on the separate property of women, (e.g. appropriate) the beasts of burden, carriages, and clothes of women, commit sin and will sink into hell.
Hard punishment for crime against womanhood
8/367. But if any man through insolence forcibly contaminates a maiden, two of his fingers shall be instantly cut off, and he shall pay a fine of six hundred (panas).
8/323. For stealing men of noble family and especially women and the most precious gems, (the offender) deserves corporal (or capital) punishment.
8/352. Men who commit adultery with the wives of others, the king shall cause to be marked by punishments which cause terror, and afterwards banish.
9/232. Forgers of royal edicts, those who corrupt his ministers, those who slay women, infants, or Brahmanas, and those who serve his enemies, the king shall put to death.
Lastly all religious rituals are ordered by Manu to not to complete without wife.
9/96. To be mothers were women created, and to be fathers men; religious rites, therefore, are ordained in the Veda to be performed (by the husband) together with the wife.
Women are advised not to live alone in view of danger.
4/149. She must not seek to separate herself from her father, husband, or sons; by leaving them she would make both (her own and her husband’s) families contemptible
Now read these few shaloks which are from interpolated Manu smriti.
2/213. It is the nature of women to seduce men in this (world); for that reason the wise are never unguarded in (the company of) females.
5/ 154. Though destitute of virtue, or seeking pleasure (elsewhere), or devoid of good qualities, (yet) a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a faithful wife.
5/ 157. At her pleasure let her emaciate her body by (living on) pure flowers, roots, and fruit; but she must never even mention the name of another man after her husband has died.
9/ 17. (When creating them) Manu allotted to women (a love of their) bed, (of their) seat and (of) ornament, impure desires, wrath, dishonesty, malice, and bad conduct.
The above examples proves that interpolations had been done in Manu smriti and if in a single book two different self contradicting statements are given then it’s definite that the unacceptable one of them is false. Manu smriti mentions equal status, good conduct, equal rights, right to remarriage for womanhood while the interpolations mentions totally wrong.
So interpolations are to be rejected.
agniveer team you should publish it
There is no such thing as hell or heaven in your religion.???
So a person does bomb blast there is no punishment in hell.A person who rapes a girl there is no punishment in hell, a person who do good deeds there is no reward for him.
A person who gives charity there is no reward for him.
All underworld dons who killed so many people all those who incited riots and walking free in India there is no punishment in the hell.
So i as a muslim can eat beef its fine as eating beef is prohibited in your so called religion.
If a person cheats and indulge in adultery is fine as there is no punishment for him
No wonder you idiot hindus are seen in brothels,films porn movies as there is no punishment
So we can do whatever we want there is no rule of life..
i HAVE ANSWERED YOU IN ANOTHER TOPIC
He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always.
He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)
Oh God! what ia m asking you and what are you answering??
Read my questions properly…
//No wonder you idiot hindus are seen in brothels,films porn movies as there is no punishment
So we can do whatever we want there is no rule of life..//
yOUR RAPIST PROPHET WILL BE SEEN IN ALLAH`S BROTHEL
Hey agniveer,
You are not posting my comments ?
i have not used any bad words nor any foul languaues.This shows you are backing out..
So it has proven Islam-meve -Jayate…
You have not posted all my comments it is hald whree are the full comments…..
Here we go the clear winner is ISLAM -The truth…
Islamic paradise and hell. This has been elaborated in detail in many sites and books, so we shall keep it brief here.
Islamic Paradise
1. In Paradise, no one has to put efforts and no one gets tired. One gets bliss without efforts and forever.
2. There are water-streams below the Paradise and they shall live their forever who obey the Allah and Muhammad.
3. The lucky ones shall live in Paradise till sky and earth remain. (Surate Hud 107)
But as we saw in Judgment Day, the sky and earth have already been destroyed. Thus either this is a blatant contradiction or a subtle hint that all these hoax of Paradise is hoax indeed!
Also when enjoyment is forever, what was the point of Allah doubling the rewards? Perhaps Prophet did not know maths.
4. There are gardens, dry fruits, drinks and beautiful boys with drooping eyes (Surate Saad 50-52)
5. Surate Wakiya also states that there would be boys who shall carry drinks. They would get dry fruits and meat. They will get women who are fair, big-eyed like hidden pearls, luxurious beds and these women would be of your age.
6. Surate Kahaf 30 states that there shall be streams of water, they shall wear jewels, thin green muslin and relax!
7. Surate Sukhan says that these virgins shall be married to them. Surate Dahar says that young boys shall also remain around.
Some doubts:
a. What more is great about Paradise except that which is available to wealthy Sheikhs of Arab? Wine, women, clothes, beds, boys etc?
b. What about excretory system of body. With so much food and drink, how will that be ejaculated from system? And without efforts, why should it not lead to diseases?
c. If someone says that there would be no urine and shit in Paradise, then will the wine evaporate after touching the tongue? Can one explain the mechanism
d. What about women? What will they enjoy? Will they remain virgin or will be married?
Will they marry their old husbands or new ones? What if their old husbands went to Hell?
e. What will be age of people in Paradise? What about those who died in wombs?
f. And what about animals, insects, reptiles, birds, fish etc? Will they become human or will have different Heaven?
g. What if people in Paradise start doing evil acts like fighting with each other? If one says that this will not happen because Allah will make their minds pure, then why not also make minds of Kafir pure and put them in Paradise as well?
8. What about those celibate people who are not interested in wine and women? Will they live as Brahmcharis?
9. From where will these boys and virgins come in Paradise? Are they already there? Each Momin (good Muslim) is promised 72 virgins!
10. I fail to understand why the Paradise contains no latest gadgets and means of entertainment that were discovered after Muhammad’s death? For example, cars, computers, electricity, cinema, ipods, air conditioners, internet, blue films and food items like pizza, burger, ice creams etc etc? Is it that construction of Paradise completed 1400 years ago and Allah decided to give no one the contract of up-gradation of facilities?
Is it a Paradise or an antique sex-Haven? Because a modern Sheikh can avail better enjoyments today than what Allah promises! Friends, it is obvious that Quran only promises what was known 1400 years ago to the tribes of Arab. What more is required to prove that there is not even an element of divinity about Quran! When it fails to mention what humans have created merely 1400 years after Quran and hence details such an oldie Paradise, how can one expect it to be last word of Allah forever till end of the world!
In Vedas, concept of Paradise is different. Good act is Paradise in itself because it leads to bliss. As a soul improves its deeds, its ignorance is removed. When all ignorance is removed, it is able to understand Ishwar and its relation with Ishwar properly and reaches a state of bliss. This is Moksha or salvation.
In Vedic salvation, lust of wine, women, sex etc are considered obstacles because they increase the ignorance and hence grief. The key of ultimate bliss is ultimate self-control and rise above these basal animal instincts and lusts.
May our Muslim brothers and sisters seek this true Paradise!
Islamic Hell
Let us also briefly understand the Islamic Hell.
1. Islamic Hell is basically a big fireplace. Bad people or those whom Allah has destined shall be thrown into this fire.
2. No recommendation for relief shall be accepted. (It shows that recommendations were quite popular in Muhammad’s times to avoid punishment)
3. Kafirs shall not be helped in any manner. Why? Are they not creations of Allah? Who put veil on their hearts than Allah as per Quran?
4. Kafirs will have to feed themselves with boiling water and stay thirsty like camel.
5. Hell gets angry when Kafirs shout in pain. Hell has 70,000 gardens where Kafirs are dragged by Angels.
Doubt – what about angels? Will they keep dragging Kafirs like bonded labors for eternity?
6. Kafirs shall remain in Hell forever. Then what is the point of doubling their griefs, as promised by Quran? Can eternity be double of any number?
7. Is it not gravest injustice that the result of limited acts is unlimited troubles?
@Muinz
Visit http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/ and first make your stand clear on 10 points raised there. This will help us know whether you are a good Muslim or the supporter of terrorist Zakir like many others on the site.
agniveer you did not answer all my questions??WHY??
I repeat Is it a must to folllow hinduism.
If a person do not beleiev in Hinduism is it fine…
Can a person follow Islam or not.
Also you said there is only ONE eshwar and 33 crores devtas.Can you tell me wha is bhagwan??
I want to know what trick you use to answer this..
//Also you said there is only ONE eshwar and 33 crores devtas.Can you tell me wha is bhagwan??
I want to know what trick you use to answer this..//
Read satyarth Prakash chapter 7
http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/chapterseven.htm#1
Also you did not answer can i print books under your name to educate hindus thet Idol worshipping is against your religion so remove all idols from the temples and wash nad clean .
Should i print educating hindus that what is SHIVLINGAM??
Is KAMASUTRA part of religion whay you avoided thes questions??????
I HAVE ANSWERED YOU IN ANOTHER TOPIC
@Muinz
Visit http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/ and first make your stand clear on 10 points raised there. This will help us know whether you are a good Muslim or the supporter of terrorist Zakir like many others on the site
mUNIZ READ THIS LINK TO UNDERSTAND REAL iSHWER
http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/chapterseven.htm#1
1. “lingam” is one of the most misunderstood motifs of Hinduism. It has been subject to such a bad smear campaigning by Westerners, especially missionaries, that even Merriam-Webster dictionary defines it as a stylized phallic symbol (whatever that might mean!). Linga actually means a “mark” in Sanskrit, is one of the few examples of an aniconic motif in Hinduism. (more accurately, a differentiating mark…It is a symbol that points to an inference. The Linga is only the outward symbol of the formless being, Lord Siva) .Also, many of these smear campaigners take their views from the obscure left hand tantric sects to make fun of lingam. It is as if taking the views of the obscure Church of Satan, who reversed certain verses of Bible, and showing them to be equivalent of mainstream christian beliefs.
Monier Williams, a professor of Sanskrit at Oxford University, who initially believed it to be a symbol of Phallic worship, later said that before Western invasion of India, “the symbol of linga, is “never in the mind of a Saiva ( or Siva-worshipper) connected with indecent ideas, nor with sexual love.”
Swami Vivekananda gave by far the best rebuttal to Western claims that it might be a symbol of phallic worship, by giving proof from the vedas.
Swami Vivekananda gave a lecture at the Paris Congress of the History of Religions in 1900 during which he refuted the statements of some Western scholars that referred to Shiva linga as phallic worship. Vivekananda’s words at the congress were in connection with the paper read by Mr.Gustav Oppert, a German Orientalist, who tried to trace the origin of the Shalagrama-Shila and the Shiva-Linga to phallicism. To this Vivekananda objected,adducing proof from the Vedas, and particularly the Atharva-Veda Samhita, to the effect that the Shiva-Linga had its origin in the idea of the Yupa-Stambha or Skambha—the sacrificial post, idealized in Vedic ritual as the symbol of the Eternal Brahman. According to Vivekananda, the explanation of the Shalagrama-Shila as a phallic emblem was an imaginary invention. Vivekananda argued that the explanation of the Shiva-Linga as a phallic emblem was brought forward by the most thoughtless, and was forthcoming in India in her most degraded times, those of the downfall of Buddhism.
And the story behind the origin of lingam can be seen here.
http://www.godandguru.com/shiv-puran/chapter-2.html
Swami Sivananda, also explains why equating Siva Lingam with the phallus is a mistake. According to him, “This is not only a serious mistake, but also a grave blunder. In the post-Vedic period, the Linga became symbolical of the generative power of the Lord Siva. Linga is the differentiating mark. It is certainly not the sex-mark. You will find in the Linga Purana: Pradhanam prakritir yadahur-lingamuttamam; Gandhavarnarasairhinam sabda-sparsadi-varjitam—The foremost Linga which is primary and is devoid of smell, colour, taste, hearing, touch, etc., is spoken of as Prakriti (Nature).”
H.H.Wilson, who is a prolific writer & translator of numerous ancient Hindu scriptures (he prepared the 1st Sanskrit-English dictionary), agrees with him. According to him,
“Although, however, the Linga holds a prominent place…the spirit of the worship is as little influenced by the character of the type as can well be imagined. There is nothing like the phallic orgies of antiquity: it is all mystical and spiritual. The Linga is twofold, external and internal. The ignorant, who need a visible sign, worship Siva through a ‘mark’ or ‘type’–which is the proper meaning of the word ‘Linga’–of wood or stone; but the wise look upon this outward emblem as nothing, and contemplate in their minds the invisible, inscrutable type, which is Siva himself. Whatever may have been the origin of this form of worship in India, the notions upon which it was founded, according to the impure fancies of European writers, are not to be traced in even the Saiva Puránas.”
The famous novelist, Christopher Isherwood, puts an interesting spin about the misinterpretation of the linga as a sex symbol.
“It has been claimed by some foreign scholars that the linga and its surrounding basin are sexual symbols, representing the male and the female organs respectively. Well — anything can be regarded as a symbol of anything; that much is obvious. There are people who have chosen to see sexual symbolism in the spire and the font of a Christian church. But Christians do not recognize this symbolism; and even the most hostile critics of Christianity cannot pretend that it is a sex-cult. The same is true of the cult of Shiva.
It does not even seem probable that the linga was sexual in its origin. For we find, in the history both of Hinduism and Buddhism, that poor devotees were accustomed to dedicate to God a model of a temple or tope (a dome-shaped monument) in imitation of wealthy devotees who dedicated full-sized buildings. So the linga may well have begun as a monument in miniature.…One of the greatest causes of misunderstanding of Hinduism by foreign scholars is perhaps a subconsciously respected tradition that God must be one sex only, or at least only one sex at a time.”
Finally, Britannica encyclopedia has to say this about the linga:
“The linga was originally understood as a representation of the phallus, as sculptures from the early centuries of the Common Era make clear, but many—probably most—modern Hindus do not think of the linga in these terms. In fact, the stylization of the linga into a smooth cylindrical mass asserts a distinctively aniconic meaning, quite by contrast to the murtis (deities in image form) that serve otherwise as the most important foci of Hindu worship. This interplay is found in Shaivite temples, where the linga is apt to be at the centre, surrounded by a panoply of murtis.”
Chris, an England native who started following Sanatana Dharma recently, has an excellent article on the symbolic meaning of lingam in his blog here.
http://western-hindu.org/2009/10/29/shaivite-hindu-symbols-the-shivalingam/
Another excellent website that tells us more about the symbology behind various Hindu symbols is
http://hinduwisdom.info/Symbolism_in_Hinduism.htm#Trimurti (Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu & Lord Shiva)
(P.S: hinduwisdom.info is one of the best websites I have seen….it has a ton of information on not only the basic Hindu concepts, but also the various esoteric practices & symbology in Hinduism.)
2. Kamasutra is an anti vedic book. what is anti vedic is anti sanatana.
3.//Can i print books under your name educating idiot hindus that idol worshipping is against hinduism and remove all idols from temples and wash and clean the temples as it has become impure by idols..
educate hindus on what is shivlingam and what is kamasutra .//
We are against idol worship. ignorant muslims are engulfed in grave worshiping and most muslims are worshiping kabba
Indian religions are total freedom of faith and are not barbaric like islam and christianity.
All our scriptures were written in Sanskrit.
In Sanskrit LIngam means endless power or infinite power.
In sanskrit sex organ is called SHASHNAM…..
SO there is no way one can call lingam as sex organ.
There is no point in debating as well.
Lingam means infinite power
Shashnam means sex organ so end of debate.
There is no such thing as gods and goddesses, you are confusing this site with modern hinduism. This is a Vedic site where we follow Vedic terminology of believing in One formless Ishwar, not gods with forms.
Vedas strongly condemn the consumption of alcohol and drugs so how can you say all this nonsense??? Many so called gods you seen were made by fake adulterated books. This site only considers Vedas so please limit your speech to Vedas. As per Vedas there are no gods, BUT ONE FORMLESS ISHWAR. As I said before, helping helpless women is a great virtuous deed, but when Quran allows one to use them as a commodity, this is where the Quranic teachings get nasty. I am shocked you being a woman can support such religion. All I have to say that your lucky not to be born in the old days, so now a days you can open your mouth as much as you want in the favour of islam. Do you think muslim women are happy in islamic states??? How about killing apostates, why does islam permit such stupidity and terrorism???
Hey, I am a Man and not Woman
again and again i am repeating the questions which you are avoiding..
I ask you again .
What is Bhagwan ?? Is it a Eashwars other name or a referred to a Devta??
Pls answer my questions instead of running around the bush and also post my complete comments if you are truth ful to your religion.You are deleting my comments.why???
i HAVE POSTED MY ANSWER BUT IT IS SAYING THAT MY POSTS ARE WAITING FOR MODERATION
CHECK THE LINK
http://western-hindu.org/2009/10/29/shaivite-hindu-symbols-the-shivalingam/
I visited the ling oops i mean the link..and i saw shivas semen in white..
visit http://www.mahashivratri.org/ where it is expalined what is SHIVLINGAM and i amshocked you defend worshipping Penis of SHIVA.. what a ridiculuos religion.
Why 2 hindu scholars say 2 diffnt things??
Again you have not answered my basic question.
i repeat: Is it a must to folllow hinduism.
If a person do not beleiev in Hinduism is it fine…
Can a person follow Islam or not.
Also you said there is only ONE eshwar and 33 crores devtas.Can you tell me wha is bhagwan??
and can i print book under your name educating idiot hindus that Idol worshipping is bad and irrationale,What is SHIVLINGAM and remove all idols from the temple and cleanse it…
Caught you with your lies first of all this link you have given has clearly said that Shivalingam means symbol of Shiva and another thing that this link says is that Lingam Puran and Skanda Puran says lingam means phallus of shiva, which is clearly wrong. Lingam puran and Skanda puran never says Lingam means Phallus, so either this site is created by a NON-HINDU or he has no knowledge of Vedas or Puran.
MUSLIM AND CHRISTIANITY HAS COME FROM PHALLUS WORSHIPING CULT OF BABYLON AND EGYPT and even the staunchest supporter of Abrahamic Religion cannot deny this because it was the Egyptians/Babylonian who started the CIRCUMCISION RITUAL who Jews copied and from Jews Muslims copied so nobody can deny that Abrahmic Religion came from sex cult of EGYPT/BABYLON.
Brother for your kind information Muslim do not Know that MINARETS ARE THE SYMBOL OF PENIS, DOME OF MASJIDS ARE SYMBOL OF BOOBS, and BLACK STONE IN KAABA IS THE SYMBOL OF VAGINA. SO BEFORE TEACHING HINDUS HOW TO WORSHIP SEE THE IRRATIONALITY OF WORSHIPING FROM MASJID TOWARDS KAABA
SEE THE BELOW LINK THE SECOND LINK IS WITH PICTURES.
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/42435
http://therr9.wordpress.com/tag/theology/
Oh what an imagination .Minarets as Penis and dome as Boobs not surprised what can we expect from people of KAMASUTRA land a Imagination..
Check your religion first.Ram married sita and had 2 chidren.What you think 2 cilds were born without having sex with sita ,without playing with sitas vagina.. without fondling her breast.?
What Krishna did ??he fondeled the breast of more than 1 lakh girls well he did not need heavens …
First check yourself before fondling with other religion..
I cannot understand why you people are not answering my questions and asking stupid questions againa and again which has no sense.
First
Ha Ha Ha if you still did not believe then you yourself do some research on HISTORY OF CIRCUMCISION RITUAL you will clearly get undeniable facts that ABRAHAMIC RELIGION has come from PAGAN EGYPTIAN/BABYLON RELIGION and many other OTHER INTERESTING FACTS ENJOY HA HA HA……………
Ha Ha Ha MUINZ if you still did not believe then you yourself do some research on HISTORY OF CIRCUMCISION RITUAL you will clearly get undeniable facts that ABRAHAMIC RELIGION has come from PAGAN EGYPTIAN/BABYLON RELIGION and many other OTHER INTERESTING FACTS ENJOY HA HA HA……………
MUINZ SEE ALLAH/NIMROD origins and also that ISLAM IS NOT A MONOTHEISTIC RELIGION, which muslims like to believe but actually are worshiping a trinity, these symbols of trinity are in Masjids and Kaaba, Trinity of Crescent moon, sun and Venus.
See below link for reference
http://chriswillard.multiply.com/journal/item/279/?&item_id=279&view:replies=reverse
Kaafir 786, what nonsense you are talking..
Islam do not preach trinity..There is only one GOD..
Lack of Islamic knowledge..
http://islamgreatreligion.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/what-famous-non-muslims-says-about-quran/
@Muinz
We dont expect much from the followers of gay Babur except visiting Ling! But wait, it would be semen of Muhammad which mother of Momins Aisha used to scrap by her nails but even then, the white spots used to be visible on Muhammad’s cloths!
Ignorant Hindus worship Shiva Kinga and enlightened Muslims worship (remember) Muhammad in prayers, who used to fondle his wives during their menses and used to play with private parts of his child wife and mother of Momins, Aisha!
@Muinz
Visit http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/ and first make your stand clear on 10 points raised there. This will help us know whether you are a good Muslim or the supporter of terrorist Zakir like many others visiting this site
How you know Babur was Gay ..ooh may be your grandfather must have experienced his power.
Check your devtaas first,
Ram fondled Sita ,
Krishna played with more than 1000 women,
Ganpati had 2 wives what for dont tell me to impress other bhagwaan
Again you have not answered my question i do not know what problem you have to answer my questions..I repeat
What is Bhagwaan????
If Idol worshipping is against your religion why all temples have idols ??
Can i print books to educate idiot hindus that What is SHIVLINGAM.
Idls worshipping is bad..
Do not celeberate GANPATI..
Muinz [THIS COMMENT IS ONLY FOR MUINZ AND NOT FOR OTHERS. OTHERS PLEASE IGNORE AND DONT GET OFFENDED. I HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO REPLY THIS PERSON IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.]
Did you read the article on which you commented? It is clearly mentioned that the author does not believe in such stories and discards all those portions of the books which contain these. So talking of Parvati etc here is same as if I ask you that why Pagans used to worship idols! Anyway, you failed to explain that why Muhammad used to fondle his wives during their periods and why he used to play with the private parts of his child wife and your mother Aisha?
My ancestors were those who further chopped the half chopped ….. of invaders and made their pants wet in the wars. And legends of Islam like Babur, used to show their power to their fellow men because they used to be impotent and thus were ashamed of facing women! May be they were not shameless like Muhammad, who could not become father of offspring of 10 of his 11 wives, but still used to visit all of them in one night!
You said Babur is a legend if Islam??From where you get this??This shows your knowledge on Islam???
I am not concerned with Babur.Its for you to think .
What about Krishna enjoying sex with more than 1 lakh whores..
Ram enjoying sex with Sita,
Ganpati enjoying sex with 2 womens??
Kamasutra,sati, discrimination?? what all this??
Why your father fondled with your mothers breast and licked your mothers vagina??sorry to use such languages bt i am trying to match you …
Muniz
Why are Muslims hell bent on getting back the mosque built by this self confessed gay drinker, Babur?
All vulgar stories of Krishna, Ram, Ganpati, Kamsutra are trash. We dont believe in them and this is what the article says! You should read the article before commenting.
Rest is whatever someone does with his/her wife or husband is the private issue. But as soon as it becomes part of Deen and the holy books called hadith, it is disgusting. And its necessary to believe in these vulgar hadith as per Mullahs otherwise Allah will put us in hell! Do you reject those hadith which denigrate Muhammad’s character from a reformer to a pervert?
You did not match me brother, I simply wrote what hadith say. And you were already there at that level.
You do not believe that does not mean it is not true..
Also do you did not answer my question once.
.What is Bhagwan????
Is it a must to follow hinduism??
If a person follows Islam is it fine???
As there is no hell and heaven can we eat beef becoz who will punish me??
A Relation betwn husband wife is a private affair but relation betwn Krshna and Gopis is adultery ,fornication,promiscuicity,indescency..
What Muhammd did is in marraigable bond it is fair..
Muinz
Will you tell me now what should I believe? Should I believe in a pedophile fondling his child wife even if this is right story as per you and your hadith? I neither believe the stories of Arabic pedophile nor any story of Krishna and gopis as mentioned in trash Puran. This is Vedic Dharma, terrorist Muinz and not Islam in which you can force me to believe in stupid stories and get me killed if I dont believe in those.
I ask you, why did Lot have sexual relationship with his daughters?
Why is the private affair of Muhammad and his wives mentioned in your holy texts and why is it necessary to believe in such vulgar stories to get heaven? I dont believe in Krishna gopi relation, I discard them completely. So no question on Krishna! BTW, Muhammad had many sex slaves and he got a son from his slave Maria. Where is the marriage bond?
Now let me answer your questions so that others following this thread can get benefit.
Bhagwaan is another name of Eeshvar.
It is not must to follow Hinduism, you can follow whatever you feel to be followed, which does not interfere in the belief of others.
If Islam means killing of apostates, fighting with Kafirs until Deen is established in whole world, abducting women of others and making them slaves etc, then a follower of Islam is a terrorist. And everyone knows what a terrorist deserves!
You can eat you mother’s flesh too, but unfortunately for you and fortunately for noble people, Eeshvar’s judgment continues all the time, He does not wait for one judgment day and does not let all other days to become days of injustice!
Hope you will no longer be a terrorist and come back to Vedas, your ancestral home!
KAABA’S BLACK STONE PICTURE
KAABA’S BLACK STONE COOL PICTURES
http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html
@Sameer
Your link must be rated “Only for Adults”
specially this one..LOlz ..what’s this guy doing ..it’s disgusting
http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstone4.jpg
Indian Agnostic Brother this is the thing they worship while doing namaz that is why Muslim will never accept themselves as idol worshipers or worshiping Trinity
n Hinduism, the word to describe All-mighty Omnipotent is Ishwar. Thus Ishwar = God. But writers take God to mean Devata. Now Devata does not mean Ishwar. Devata means any entity – living or dead that gives us anything or benefits us. In English, I would call Devata to mean “Helper”.
While Vedas believe in one single Ishwar and 33 types of non-living Helper Devatas, even the average Hindu does not consider these Helper devatas to be Ishwar.
what is bhagwaan???
KAABA’S BLACK STONE COOL PICTURES
http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html
India is struggling because of these Leaders wearing Khaadi. All the parties, are concerned only for making Indian fool of themselves. Ramraj is not possible for the goodwill of humanity until and unless these khadi people are taught the lesson.
These people are Anti-India and Anti-Humanity.
I have tried to convey this message in my poetry.
सफेद कुर्ता
=========
एक सफेद कुर्ता पहने उन्मादी
बना बैठा है संसद मे प्रतिवादी
अपने भाई बहनो की हत्या करके
उनके गर्म रक्त का पान करके
समझा रहा है अपनी आज़ादी
अंदर एक असुर इसलिए बाहर है खादी
वो कहता – उस शव की माँ उसकी भी है
पर कोई माँ उस मरे पर क्यों सिसकी ले
उसके सफेद कुर्ते मे तो दाग है सारी आबादी
क्या चिंता उसको की देश फिर टूटे
क्यों विधवा है आज अगर कल हुई थी शादी
दुकानो की कमी नही कई उसके समाज मे
चरित्रहींन ने वासनाओ की बाद बहा दी
हमने पूछा किस संस्कृति की बात करते हो
उनकी निकली नाली के चूहे वाली धर्मक्षेत्रवादी
अच्छा लगा की चूहे भी यहाँ पवित्र हैं
नही तो कहीं पर हैं चूहे – आतंकवादी
रास्ते पर एक नर-संहार ने ध्यान खींचा
दूर जाना है, बैठ गया बन आशावादी
खादी वाला पेड़ काटने आया, बोला छाया मेरी है
चला ही था की उसने उस छाया की हत्या करवा दी
कहता है तुमने मेरी घांस कैसे काटी
जबकि जंगल की घांस थी लहराती
अब हम वनवासीओं के घर तोड़ना है
छप्पर को कटते देखती रही आधी आबादी
बोला, रेगिस्तान मे एक राजा अभी बना है
वैसा बनना था इसलिए कहर बरपा दी
अब शायद वो वैसा ही राजा बन जाए
गरम रेगिस्तान बनाम ठंडा शमशानवादी
एक सफेद कुर्ते का उन्मादी
बना बैठा है संसद मे प्रतिवादी
Vajra,Kaafir786,sameer,Indian agnostic all you jokers of this site..
You said Bhagwaan is another name of Eeshvar.that means Ram is your EESHWAR..
So you do believe in Idol worshipping but in front of Muslim you say you believe in Monotheism what a double standard..
You want Ram temple to be build in Ayoudhya and continue idol worshipping and you say you are followers of Vedas again double standard..
1)I think you must support Muslims for building Masjid at least we will not do Idol worshipping..
2)Kaaba : As i educated you earlier kaaba is an Arabic word which means direction in English.If you do not know ARABIC language its not my fault.
3)Black Stone: Again black stone was kept as a mark to build the house by prophet Abraham and not for worshipping.The link which you people have posted do not give clear idea of stone worshipping.
4) It is not must to follow Hinduism, you can follow whatever you feel : then why the hell you are asking to come to vedas??????
5)You can eat you mother’s flesh too: well people who wants to eat beef you should not object as you said people can do and follow whatever religion they want to follow.No one eats human flesh.We muslims love to eat Beef its really tasty and thank EESHWAR for creating such a wonderful dish for MUSLIMS.ESHWAR loves Muslims and not you people..
6)Islam means believeing in ONE EESHWAR and also educating others about ONE EESHWAR and we muslims are not afraid and cowards like you who are afraid of Shiv sena,Bajrang dal,BJP,RSS etc and do not educated these Idiot hindus that Idol worshipping is againt vedas and do not build RAM Temple in Ayoudhya for IDOL woshipping..
7) Talking of Indescency ; so you want Khajurao and all other temples with nude statue to be broken as it is against your vedas.
you want all temples to be broken as there is a Idol of someone ..
8)Can you tell me where are your temples or worshipping place as i have not seen any temple without IDOLS and without indescency happening in Ashrams..
Plz answer all 8 points..
MUINZ Nice joke if KAABA STONE IS SHOWING DIRECTION TO MUSLIMS THEN MUSLIMS MUST BE GETTING NICE DIRECTION
BEFORE TALKING ABOUT KHAJURAO SEE KAABA’S BLACK STONE COOL PICTURES
http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstone.html
Muinz
1. Where did you find Shri Ram as Bhagvan or Eeshvar in the articles on Agniveer? We tell Muslims to follow monotheism because they are polytheists. They worship Muhammad along with Allah in the prayers by remembering him at the same time, worship graves, worship Kaba by bowing before it etc etc. So our aim is to teach all Muslims and Hindus that all should follow and remember One Eeshvar always and not to associate any partners with Him.
2. Ram temple was destroyed by your Islamic ideal and Ghazi gay drinker Babur. Attacking on one’s belief, which is not causing any harm to others, with force is a crime. So if temple or a Masjid after the name of a gay Babur are the only two options, everyone should go for the first! Whats your opinion?
Now coming to your questions-
1. No, you will! You will bow 5 times to Kaba, the biggest idol of the world and we dont want it. Second thing is that Masjid in the memory of a rapist, gay, pedophile, invader, drinker Babur insults Allah and we dont want it in any case!
2. Its rather Zakir Naik’s fault that he gives the word “Qibla” for direction and not Kaba! BTW, if Kaba means direction, you search for direction of direction (Kaba) while praying! And “direction” is the house of Allah! “Direction” is the holiest place in Islam! “Direction” is the center of earth as claimed by Madarsa scientists! And “Direction” was sent down from the heavens! Quite interesting, isn’t it?
Where did we say, its your fault, if we dont know Arabic? In fact those who dont know it, are fortunate!
3. Anyway, tell me, why do Muslims kiss the “direction”? Why do they circumambulate the “direction”? Why is some Momin seen in the pictures, putting his head inside “direction”? May be, he is looking for some direction within direction! What say?
4. I knew that you will ask this question and that is why I wrote further “which does not interfere in the belief of others”. Islam definitely interferes in others beliefs and thus its followers are right persons to be shown the right path of Vedas! Invitation to come back to Vedas is a suggestion and not any command from an army chief sitting on his thrown over 7th heaven! You will have to do good deeds, thats it, there is no other way to get Moksha. If you are doing that, you are already following Vedas. If not, you will be given chance again and again until you attain Moksha. But, I know, modus operandi of terrorists is somewhat different. They dont follow something until they are given threats of hell and are shown dreams of transparent whores of paradise!
5. I know you would recycle such beautiful dishes and consume it again, after all it is wonderful as per you! Eeshvar is so kind to you that he has fit the recycling unit in your body itself and you dont need to go to others for recycled dish!
6. Correct yourself. Islam means “One Allah and one Muhammad”! BTW, whole world knows who is coward. Those, who allow every religion to be preached in their country or those chickenhearted who prohibit others to even follow their religion, forget about propagation, who demand minority rights in non Muslim countries, but impose Jajiya on Non Muslims in Islamic rule!
7. Of course, Nude statues, vulgar verses, hadith, shlokas should be removed as soon as possible from the temples, books like Quran, hadith and Puran.
Why to destroy temples/Kaba/graves? It is the work of cowards and illiterates. Wise way is to convince people about worshipping One Eeshvar without remembering any Muhammad, Jesus, Kaba, Ram, Krishna or any idols, graves etc in the prayers.
8. We can sit anywhere as we believe Eeshvar to be everywhere unlike Muslims who think that Allah can listen to them only if their direction is towards Kaba. We dont need to bow before any direction because Eeshvar is omnipresent. We dont need to remember Muhammad etc with Eeshvar because Eeshvar alone is worthy to be remembered and praised.
You can come back to your original home of actual Oneness of God, The Vedas!
@Vajra ..you said it bro!
Vajra paat kar daala..hope it has some positive influence on Muinz
1) In quran Verse 112 clearly states ALLAU AHAD it means ALLAH IS ONE.. It clearly advises to believe in ONE ALLAH(EESHWAR)..No where in quran it is said worship Muhammad or Kaaba;these are lies invented by Agniveer and I think your religion teaches you to blame others falsely and this proves your religion is not good for mankind and it should be banned.
We bow to Allah not Kaaba as I have already educated you on this may be you have lack of understanding..
Your aim is to teach hindus also well I have not seen any forum or debate or discussion with any of the hindus neither on this website that clearly says that do not do Idol worshipping or GANPATI,RAM etc are not GODS(BHAGWAN).So again you are telling lie and I can understand you follow VEDAS which tell you to tell lies..
2)Again you are telling a lie nowhere in Quran it stays Ghazi or Babul is our Ideal please let me know where in Quran it is written.YOU ARE A LAIR…Well I can understand again your religion teaches you to tell lie and this proves it is not good for mankind…
Well if you have a problem with Masjid in Ayoudhya why did not you claim that build temple according to Vedas without IDOLS .I have never came across any one from your side stating Ram temple is against your religion.. well may be you are a coward and afraid of Shivsena,BJP,bajrang dal or you too believe in IDOL worshipping and just to fight with Muslims you claim that you also believe in ONE ALLAH to reach our standard.
You decide now which one is correct either afraid of idiot hindus are you too believe in IDOL Worshipping.
I have not se any open lecture at AZAD Maidan claiming that Hindus should not do IDIOL Worshipping???Why???
Muinz
Nice to see reduction in number of points from 8 to 2!
1. Why do you remember Muhammad in your prayers? Can anyone remember his parents in prayers? If you dont worship Kaba, can you face opposite to Kaba while prayers? And why to bow to Allah, who is above and not in front of you? Shouting thousand times that we bow to Allah and not to Kaba does not change the reality that you are idol worshipper! Idol worshippers also say that they are praying their God through idols! Visit http://agniveer.com/1685/kaba-or-idol-worship/ to know more about Kaba worship.
Read the articles on Vedas and you will find what Agniveer teaches to Hindus and Muslims both!
Ignorant practices like idol worship can harm the individual who is practicing it. But what about those terrorists, who themselves bow to the biggest idol of the world and then threaten others that whoever does not bow to it will be either killed or made a humble servant in Islamic rule in this world and will be in hell hereafter? Should not all humans oppose such terrorists first instead of ignorant innocent idol worshippers?
2. Babur, who is so loving to Muslims that instead of his acts like homosexuality and drinking, Muslims want the Masjid in his name so that they can worship Allah in that! Any common Muslim is to be stoned to death for being gay as per Sharia. But nothing happened to Babur! He was awarded with the title Ghazi by the topmost Islamic Mullahs of that time! So, can you still doubt him being the ideal of Muslims?
BTW, Do you believe in anything only if it is mentioned in Quran? If so, show me the word “Quran” in whole Quran!
Masjid issue was cleared in the previous post, read it from there.
You wrote- “just to fight with Muslims you claim that you also believe in ONE ALLAH to reach our standard”
No! We cant reach your standard because it is too low from ours! We believe in One Eeshvar, who alone is worthy to be remembered while praying. Belief in Him alone is enough to get bliss and no mediator is required in between! But your standard says something else! It says- Believing in Muhammad is essential along with believing in Laasharik Allah, in order to get heaven! Did you notice the word “Laasharik”?
Did you ever see Agniveer organizing open lectures in AZAD Maidan claiming that Islam is false? If no, does it mean that Agniveer supports Islam?
Why running away from actual Tauheed of Vedas?
Hello,Points were not reduced may be you do not read the post properly .You dont know whats been posted in this site???
Muinz
Is this the answer to my all questions?
Simply beautiful Vajraji!
coming to your questions:
1) Agian I say we bow to ALLAH not KAABA plz see above explanation ; ican understand you have lack of understanding and it will take time to educate you; but I will try my best.Do not build masjid in the name of Babur build in the name of ALLH)EESHWAR) where ther are no IDOLS..
2)There are more muslims who understand ARABIC then hindus who know Sanskrit.If you religion is a religion of EESHWAR then why no one knows about it not even hindus…Its surprising???
3)We muslim do not kiss the direction we muslim kiss the house for respect and not for the reason which you think(You pervert) I can expect these things from people coming from the land of KAMASUTRAS..
May be you kiss your daughter and sisters and mothers with the same intention…
4)It is important to educate others about ONE ALLAH(EESHWAR) which you are not doing becoz you are afraid of Shivsena,BJP,RSS and Bajrang dal,We msulims are openly claiming that IDOL worshipping is irrationale and there is only one ALLH and that’s the reason you are JEALOUS of Muslims .we are not cowards like you..
What good deeds you are doing?? Building nude statues and KAMASUTRA..
5)The whole world is eating beef even hindus.And the country which consume Beef have prospered…
6)So agree that we muslims believe in ONE ALLAH..
You allow to preach becoz you are not sure your religion is the only way of living..You are coward as you do not preach ONENESS OF ALLAH to hindus becoz you are afraid of Shivsena,BJP,Bajrang dal etc..
7)Quran is the book to guide mankind to straight path.Millions of people read quran but hardly any one reads your Vedas the so called book..
Yes I garee fake hadiths,temples,puran and alsi Vedas should be banned as it teaches false things like telling lies as you are doing ..
Wise way to convince people about worshipping One Eeshvar then why the hell you ar not doing it??????????
8)As said before also muslims are there all around the world and we make duas anywhere just to pray namaaz we need to face qibla so that there is a unity in worshipping .earlier we muslims use to face Jerusalem.
As your religion is incomplete I invite to embrace ISLAM the religion of monotheism as Quran clearly says ALLAHU AHAD- ALLAH is ONE
@Muinz
1)So you do not worship the kaaba right? Ok, I challenge you to go shatter that kaaba into pieces, I have no problem, I just want to see the kaaba being shattered. Till now, muslims like you enjoy breaking idols right now, I want to see if you are a real non idolator by breaking the kaaba, tell me can you do it??
2)99% of muslims do not understand arabic, all they know is how to read it. They cannot understand Quran completely. They mumble these verses without knowing what they mean. We are safe due to these muslims otherwise they would all become terrrorists and blow everybody up.
3)I am sorry, but our religion is not full of pedophillic practices, nor do we marry women 20 years older nor do we marry girls at the age of six. Only Quran can teach you these sick things, so I suggest you return to the real religion of monotheism, Vedic Dharma. Prophet Mohammad really preached Vedic Dharma, but sadly arab idiots have interpolated the Quran so much that now its a book of sex lust terrrorism and pedophillia. Kamasutra is pure nonsense, it is not even a religoius scripture. It is simply garbage, made by lustfull people.
4)What good things are you people doing, blowing up innocent jews in masses, slaughtering innocent animals in the name of God?????We are not scared of any BJP or RSS. Its you people who should be scared of the truth. What nude pics are you talking about??? This filthy work is the work of perverts not us.
5)And many people catch diseases too after eating beef did you know that??? India is a hindu country most likely a vegetarian country, why is it the only country remembered in the entire asia by americans??? Do they ever talk of Pakistan or Saudi Arab, except for the times of terrorism news???
6)If hindus are scared of all this, then tell me how did Arya Samaj form???????? And there are still Arya Samaj praying places there to……..how did they come???
7)Quran is the book of guidance towards terrorism and lust. Many people become terrorists and pedophiles.
8)What is the need of unity, can Allah only listen to you during unity???? Does Allah not listen to your prayers anywhere else???? These are all silly excuses for muslims like you to defend your brand of idolatry. If you do not worship Kaaba, then please go shatter it into pieces, historically people like you broke many idols, now please shatter this last one as well???
1)Shatter the KAABA? This is the mentality of a terrorist..You are a terrorrist .You want to see KAABA being brought down .You yourself cannot do it so you are finding other ways to do it.It wll never happen my friend..Your foolish dream will never come true..So keep dreaming…
When we break Idols we are actually following Vedas as you claim VeDAS are against IDOL worshipping IDOLS..So you must thank us…
2)99%muslims do not understand ARABIC???Hello get your facts correct.Everyone in Gulf speak and understand ARABIC..Infact no one knows SANSKRIT.and no one is interested in learning SANSKRIT.
3)Again lies…where in Quran it is written to practice lewedness??/You are again telling lies may be you are following your vedas to fabricate lies…Check your KHAJURAO temples where your EESHWAr is having sex with slave women and is complete nude…
4)Again you are talking out of context.Quran clearly says Life is sacred and killing an inncocent is like killing a humanity..Read QURAN properly …Also you people kll muslims in the name of DHARMA..See Hindus like SIvSena,BJP,RSS,baj rang dal are doing in the name of hinduism…building rtemples in Ayoudhya for Idlol worshippng, inciting riots, legalising porn movies,protecting khajurao temples etc…its a long list…you should be ashamed of being a hindu..
5)India is remberd by Americans ???for what??? its becoz of KAMASUTRA,POVERTY,STUPIDITY OF HINDUS,IDOL WORSHIPPIN,INFANT KILLING,SATI,SELLING OF WOMAN,NUDITY IN FILSMS ETC…and you are proud that americans remember india…
6)Arya samaaj is practising secretly and hhidingly….No hindu knows about you people you ar e a history.You people do not meet modern standards..I have not seen anything openly declaring and edcating idiot hindus about vedas and prohibition of Idol worshippping nota a single statement in any newspaper or news channel.i challenge if you are ready to openly annoubnce to all hindus that IDOL worshippping is againt you r relgion and destroy all idols in temples in siddhivinayak , all idls of GANPATI , i am ready to bear all the expenses??/Come one let see your IMAN .Are you ready i awill bear all expenses .You just come in a news channel abour=t you rvedas.
..Are you ready for the challenge..
7)Again all lies.Show me wher ein quran it is written to kill innocent people.Agaian you are following your religion whcih tals to fabricate lies..No wonder you people are not respected by your own hindus…What a shame on your life…As is said beofre Quran clearly says Life is sacred) Al-Anaam 6:151) ,(Isra17:33).read it by yourself and also let me know any verse from Vedas which says LIFE IS SACRED…
8)What is the need of unity??what nonsense you are talking…Allah listens to our prayer even when we pray alone.We unite to show brotherhood and in gathering in speeches we talk about oneness of ALLAH and teach what is Haraam and Halaal, ,what is ISLAm the real peace.I pray you tooo come to rel peace ISLAm and not the duplicate VEDAS…
again..Shatter the KAABA? This is the mentality of a terrorist..You are a terrorrist .You want to see KAABA being brought down .You yourself cannot do it so you are finding other ways to do it.It wll never happen my friend..Your foolish dream will never come true..So keep dreaming…
When we break Idols we are actually following Vedas as you claim VeDAS are against IDOL worshipping IDOLS..So you must thank us…
WOW,MUINZ i love ISLAM thats the reason i embraced.I was a christian before who use to believe in trinity.
I looked for buddhism and hinduism but all of them do believe in more than ONE GOD and i found real peace in ISLAM..
we are having a Zakir NAik lectrures in Mumabi i invite all the people of the website to listen and can question him on open Q&A session it will be great help for agniveer in knowing the truth..
@Sabby
your same Zakir Naik is scared of debating us, and you expect us to go to his stupid one liner questions?
Dear sister, did you know, the religion islam which you joined, declares you an idiot, since Quran and Hadiths say that a woman’s intelligent is half of a man?
Hey,I am a Man and not woamn .I can understand you coming from the land of KAMASUTRA are more eager to meet and talk to a girl..
Your agnivesh ran away from the debate wid Ahmed deedat.Plz check th link below.and you said zakir naik is afraid of debating you jokers.. when did you send him the invitaion??
Wher ein quran it is written womans intelligence is half of a mAn??Again all liesi can understand your religion teaches you tell a lie..
@sabby
Listen you prick, don’t come and just blabber here without logic and proof. you looked for Buddhidsm and still you found peace in Islam. That’s show your mental health. we are not here to debate with lunatics. i suggest you to consult a psychiatrist.
real peace in Buddhism??you need a psychiatrist… These buddhist buid nude statue of Buddha , and his PENIS hanging in air all buddhist bowing down to his penis..you call it an act of descency??
And again this shows your IMAN… you say Idol worshipping is against you religion and KAMASUTRA is not part of your religion and you are telling me to folow buddhismm and do IDOL worshipping and bow down to PENIS of buddha??What a shame.HOW MUCH LIE YOU PEOPLE WILL TELL IN THE NAME OF EESHWAR.YOU HAVE DOUBLE STANDARDS….NO WONDER AGNIVESH LEFY YOU IDIOTS..
plz visit below link where agnivesh ran away from Ahmed deedat.
Concept Of God In Hinduism And Islam -Deedat, Agnivesh
Mawlana Agnivesh: A Raving Lunatic and a Fake Arya Samaji
by Amit Arya
Many of my friends who are not associated with the Arya Samaj or know nothing about its recent foundations by Swami Dayanandi Saraswati who was doing nothing but preaching the same Vedic truth that had been lost to the world since a long time.
People often enquire of me if what Agnivesh actually represents the Arya Samaj and its beliefs. Well for that a single word answer would be NO. Swami Dayananda Sarwati was probably the first social reformer born in the modern age during Imperial British rule who recognized and studies the teachngs of Islam and Christianity and presented them to the world. He realised that these philosophies had the potential of destroying not only our nation but also the entire world, as they are basically anti-humanist philosophies that guise themselves as humanistic philosohies.
This crude man Agnivesh has no knowlege of the Shtras is basically a self made Demmague who represents the Fifth Column with the broader Vedic society. What beliefs he professes cannot be said, but given his soft talk about Islam and saying that the Koran is the word of Ishwar, certainly does point towards his probable belief system.
People lke Agnivesh are not just irritants but also dangerous as he can easily fool religious people into anti national Hindu hating bigots who hate everything about themselves. This man Agnivesh is always eager to speak about the “ills” of Vedic Dharma and how bad Hindus are while his tongue can’t stop praising how great Muslims are and how superior his cuture is.
It is thus no wonder that the Indian Media and all enemies of Hindus invite Agnivesh and other self styled Demagogues like him to speak at various places. Why is it that genuine Arya Samajis or Hindus from other denominations are not invited by these media houses to these talk shows. The reason is simple, this man has sold his soul and the media handlers know this. They are basicall using him to make an Ocre clad man speak ill of Hindus.
Let us not be fooled by the propaganda of the Media and those who have always wished us harm.
Can you tell me what a supposed Vedic is doing in this gathering of meat eaters?
@Sabby
Agnivesh has also been challenged by us for a debate. He has gone against some principles of Arya Samaj so that is why we challenge him.
check this link below, here our respected Pandit Mahendra Pal Arya defeated the mentor of Zakir Naik. His name is Maulana Abdullah Tariq who runs peace tv of Zakir Naik
http://www.youtube.com/user/truthwisdom2008#p/c/E3E7F0950A8F439B/1/QZ-JCt24nFE
@VIk
I would say more than that, Agnivesh is a traitor.
I guess the answer to all the confusion is ignorance. I will not defend Islam, however I shall defend the books from God be it the bible, quran and vedas. All the books talks about the religion of God, however it is the enemy of God that separate all these books according to a different religion. As such, all the religions actually do not follow the teaching of the books. Al quran is not about Islam as the quran told us to follow the religion of Abraham and you need to trust all other books sent prior to the revelation of Quran. Why? Because al quran alone is not complete and it is a book of corrections. Only people that read the quran and follow the commandments will try to understand the quran, bible and vedas. To know the history of abraham religion and the law, you will have to read the old testaments. To know about the angels and the kingdom of God you need to read the new testaments. To understand the spiritual knowledge and the concept of soul you will need the Vedas and finally to know the language of heaven and also the religious ritual that have been lost, you will need the quran. As I said, did any of us push aside our ignorance and just follow what is commanded by God? I will defend the books and seek knowledge from all the books and i will not defend any religion as there is only one religion of God. I shall preach each and everyone using the books that they trust and will fill in the Gap for any lost knowledge so that man will once again gain their greatness in the religion of God.
@ mahadaya
Could you please elaborate on language of heaven and also the religious ritual that have been lost that is explained in the quran.
Thank you
who is this idiot.. who gives contradicting statement..
you say i will not defend ISLAM and next line you say i will;; defend books from GOD bible,vedas and quran.. this is a height of stupidity…
How can all books from GOD??? It is only QURAN not your vedas who teaches you tell lie ,KAMASUTRA,IDOL worshipping, porn movies, adultery is fine as there is no punishment,homosexuality is fine as there is no hell ,rape is fine as thre is no hell for rapist what a religion you have brought for humna kind..YOU ARE A SHAME TO MANKIND…
@Muinz
wow, Quran teaches you all these things like kama sutra, idol worshipping. You are right, looks like you wanted to say all these allegations on Vedas, but you mistakenly said it for Quran. Thats ok, truth always jumps out regardless how much you try to surpress it.
You are right Quran teaches idol worship,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this is why millions of muslims bow towards the kaaba the biggest idol of all idolatry.
you are right Quran teaches you kama sutra…………this is why verses 23.6 and verses 33.50 talk about keeping sex slaves.
you are right Quran teaches you adultery, this is why Aisha had affairs with other men.
you are right, Quran even talks of pornography, this is why Mohammad saw his own daughter in law naked and told his son to divorce her so he can marry her. Moreover, the paradise full of virgins, this authenticates your point of pornograpy
VIK BROTHER BULL’S EYE YOU SAID IT
FREUDIAN SLIP OF TONGUE from inside he knows truth but he does not want to accept the truth what Koran really is (book of green snakes).
Hellooo,,
You first answer my questions it may be a typo error..but that does not proves your religion is the only way of living..
Answer my questions..
1)Shatter the KAABA? This is the mentality of a terrorist..You are a terrorrist .You want to see KAABA being brought down .You yourself cannot do it so you are finding other ways to do it.It wll never happen my friend..Your foolish dream will never come true..So keep dreaming…
When we break Idols we are actually following Vedas as you claim VeDAS are against IDOL worshipping IDOLS..So you must thank us…
2)99%muslims do not understand ARABIC???Hello get your facts correct.Everyone in Gulf speak and understand ARABIC..Infact no one knows SANSKRIT.and no one is interested in learning SANSKRIT.
3)Again lies…where in Quran it is written to practice lewedness??/You are again telling lies may be you are following your vedas to fabricate lies…Check your KHAJURAO temples where your EESHWAr is having sex with slave women and is complete nude…
4)Again you are talking out of context.Quran clearly says Life is sacred and killing an inncocent is like killing a humanity..Read QURAN properly …Also you people kll muslims in the name of DHARMA..See Hindus like SIvSena,BJP,RSS,baj rang dal are doing in the name of hinduism…building rtemples in Ayoudhya for Idlol worshippng, inciting riots, legalising porn movies,protecting khajurao temples etc…its a long list…you should be ashamed of being a hindu..
5)India is remberd by Americans ???for what??? its becoz of KAMASUTRA,POVERTY,STUPIDITY OF HINDUS,IDOL WORSHIPPIN,INFANT KILLING,SATI,SELLING OF WOMAN,NUDITY IN FILSMS ETC…and you are proud that americans remember india…
6)Arya samaaj is practising secretly and hhidingly….No hindu knows about you people you ar e a history.You people do not meet modern standards..I have not seen anything openly declaring and edcating idiot hindus about vedas and prohibition of Idol worshippping nota a single statement in any newspaper or news channel.i challenge if you are ready to openly annoubnce to all hindus that IDOL worshippping is againt you r relgion and destroy all idols in temples in siddhivinayak , all idls of GANPATI , i am ready to bear all the expenses??/Come one let see your IMAN .Are you ready i awill bear all expenses .You just come in a news channel abour=t you rvedas.
..Are you ready for the challenge..
7)Again all lies.Show me wher ein quran it is written to kill innocent people.Agaian you are following your religion whcih tals to fabricate lies..No wonder you people are not respected by your own hindus…What a shame on your life…As is said beofre Quran clearly says Life is sacred) Al-Anaam 6:151) ,(Isra17:33).read it by yourself and also let me know any verse from Vedas which says LIFE IS SACRED…
8)What is the need of unity??what nonsense you are talking…Allah listens to our prayer even when we pray alone.We unite to show brotherhood and in gathering in speeches we talk about oneness of ALLAH and teach what is Haraam and Halaal, ,what is ISLAm the real peace.I pray you tooo come to rel peace ISLAm and not the duplicate VEDAS…
again..Shatter the KAABA? This is the mentality of a terrorist..You are a terrorrist .You want to see KAABA being brought down .You yourself cannot do it so you are finding other ways to do it.It wll never happen my friend..Your foolish dream will never come true..So keep dreaming…
When we break Idols we are actually following Vedas as you claim VeDAS are against IDOL worshipping IDOLS..So you must thank us…
MUINZ, LUST PROPHET OF ISLAM PROHET MOHAM-MAD PISS BE UPON HIM PUT KAMASUTRA TO SHAME HE TRIED KAMASUTRA POSE ON HIS ADOPTED MOTHER’S FATIMA’S DEAD BODY, ON MOTHER OF MOMINS, MOHAMMAD’S OWN DAUGHTER AND ALI’S CHILDREN AND HIS ADOPTED SONS WIFE. KAMASUTRA IS NOTHING COMPARED TO YOUR ALLAH’S AND MOHM-MAD TEACHINGS
Your language shows your teachings from your religion.
May be you have learnt this from vedas..
Again tell me where in Quran it is written WHAT you have said..
SO YOU AGREE KAMASUTRA IS A PART OF YOUR VEDAS JUST TO ARGUE WITH MUSLIMS YOU WANT TO GET RID OFF IT…
MUINZ before talking about kamasutra read your Hadith which clearly says that Prophet Muhammad was necrophilia who had sex with his adopted mother’s dead body.
PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A NECROPHILIA ACCORDING TO MUSLIMS OWN HOLY SCRIPTURES. SEE THIS VIDEO
Even AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI did not find anything wrong in this he said If JESUS could spend three days in a tomb what’s wrong with the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) just staying overnight now and again?
I don’t see it causing any grave problems. Besides, it’s a cultural thing, so who are you to criticise?
@KATIYAR
WHILE QUOTING STATEMENTS STATE FROM THE AUTHENTIC SOURCES AND AUTHENTIC HADITH——-
DON’T USE DAYANAND SARAWATI STRATEGY TO QUOTE WHICH IS NOT SAHIH AS SAHIH–
JUST QUOTING STATEMENTS FROM HADITHS WHICH ARE NOT AUTHENTIC—-DOES NOT FULLFILL U’R CLAIM
AND HADEES IS A BOOK WHICH IS AN CLOLLECTION OF HADITHS——-A
AND THAT HADITH ARE FURHTER CLASSIFIED AS—SAHIH,WEAK,WAHID,ETC
AS QURAN IS THE WORD OF GOD–U CAN QUOTE ANY STATEMENT WITH CONTEXT–WE WILL ANSWER—AND FROM HADITH WHICH IS SAID AS SAHIH
LET’S SEE WHAT U’R WORD OF GOD VEDA’S SAY—-
PORNOGRAPHY IN VEDAS
Incest : The Father Commits Incest With His DaughterThis is a concept of creation which appears in Rig-Veda and remains through later Hindu mythology. It contains an idea of primeval Incest. Explicitly there is no single hymn which tells this story, but references are scattered around to give a summary of the incestuous event. This story never actually tells the name of the father and the daughter .Let’s read the Rid-Vedic hymns about this incest act of creation.
From the Rig-Veda 10.61.5-7, 1.71.5 , 1.71.8 , 1.164.33
When you will look for the Verses 5-7 in Rig-Veda book 10 hymn 61 present online-to hide reality , but truth cannot be hidden as we will be providing you with the translated verses.
Rig-Veda 10.61.5-7, 1.71.5 , 1.71.8 , 1.164.33
As his penis was stretched out in eagerness for the act of a man, the manly one pulled back. He drew back again from the maiden, his daughter, that tireless phallus which had been thrust in. As they were in the midst of the very act of union, when the father was satisfying his desire for the younger girl, the two of them left a little of the out-flowing seed shed upon the back of the earth in the womb of good deeds. When the father shed his seed in his own daughter, he split his seed on the earth as he united with her. The benevolent gods created sacred speech and fashioned Rudra Vastospati, the protector of sacred rites….. As Agni made the seed for the great father, heaven , he entered into the womb, having noticed that she was inclined to him. The hunter shot an arrow at him boldly. The god satisfied his lust in his own daughter….As the heat of passion came to the king for his enjoyment, heaven laid aside on the ground the seed that had been spilt. Agni caused to be born the blameless benevolent group of youth and made them great…. Heaven is my father, the engenderer, the navel here. My mother is this wide earth , my close kin , Between these two outstretched bowls is the womb (it is translated as womb literally Vagina-yoni ) in it the father placed his daughter’s embryo. [Translated by Wendy Doniger in her Book Hindu Myths on page 26 )
Rig Veda 1.116.19 The Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who is their sister
Rig Veda 1.91.7 Agni is the son of his father and his sister
“After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: ‘O Horse, i extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception’” – Yajur Veda 23/20.
The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu(priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: “This horse may release semen in me.” -Yajur Veda 23/20.
WHILE REFUTIN U’R CLAIM—DON’T CLAIM THAT TRANSLATION IS WROMG—–
AND IF THE TRANSLATION IS WRONG,,THEN PROVIDE U’R WORD TO WORD TRANSLATION WITH SANSKRIT TEXT–IF U R TRUTHFUL
U QUOTED FROM AN HADITH WHICH IS NOT AN AUTHENTIC AND DO NOT BELIEVE AS WORD OF GOD
AND I HAD QUOTED FROM U’R WOR OF GOD–THAT WHICH U BELIEVE—-THERE IS MANY MORE FROM OTHER SCRIPTURE,–BUT WHEN QUOTED U SAY IT IS NOT WORD OF GOD,BUT VEDAS ARE WORD OF GOD ACCORDING TO U –SO REFUTE
truefriend of zakir naik
Scientific errors in Quran:
Quran [2:1] says that Allah is not one!
Quran [13:1] says that Muhammad is not the final Rasul!
Quran [29:1] says that Quran is the work of Satan and not Allah!
Quran [10:1] says dont follow Muhammad.
Quran [10:2] says that all Muslims will go to hell.
Quran [10:3] says that Muhammad will be the first man to enter the hell.
Quran [10:4] says that Allah put seal in the heart of Muhammad so that he could not understand the truth and Allah made him illiterate.
Quran [10:5] ….
[TRANSLATED BY GREAT ISLAMIC SCHOLAR VAJRA]
Incest in Islam:
Adam and Eve was a single pair. They fathered many children and those children, who were brothers and sisters mutually, married each other! So all Muslims are the result of incest!
Regarding your errors in Vedas, read the translation by Swami Dayanand. And if you find some error there, we can discuss that. And dont expect from us to give you word to word translation from already available sources. visit http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org and read yourself.
@VAJRA
Frustration speaks—DON’T FRUSTRATE—SAME QUESTION REPEATED–HAPPENS—-REGARDING ERRORS IN VEDAS—GIVE WORD TO WORD TRANSLATION OF THE CLAIMED ERRORS IN VEDAS–IF U R TRUTHFUL
ANSWER
Quran [2:1] says that Allah is not one!
ANSWER:- ARABIC WILL BE POSTED IN TRANSLITERATION FORM
CH2 V-1-’Alif-Lām-Mīm-TRANSLITERATION
THE MEANING OF THE VERSES IS NOT TRANSLATED BY ANYONE & THESE ARE THE ALPHABETS IN ARBIC FOR e.g. IN ENGLISH SUCH AS A,B,C & NOT AN WORD.
MAY BE U HAVE GOT THE TRANSLATION FROM DAYANAND SARASWATI.
Quran [13:1] says that Muhammad is not the final Rasul!
ANSWER:-
CH-13 V-1- These are the signs (or verses) of the Book: that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is the Truth; but most men believe not.
WHERE DOES THE ABOVE VERSE SAY THAT THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD(SAW) IS NOT THE FINAL RASOOL, THE VERSE DOESN’T TALK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
HE IS THE LAST PROPHET IT IS MENTIONED IN
Al-Ahzab, Chapter33 Verse40 -Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the SEAL of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
Quran [29:1] says that Quran is the work of Satan and not Allah!
ANSWER:- ‘Alif-Lām-Mīm-TRANSLITERATION
THE MEANING OF THE VERSES IS NOT TRANSLATED BY ANYONE & THESE ARE THE ALPHABETS IN ARBIC FOR e.g. IN ENGLISH SUCH AS A,B,C & NOT AN WORD.
MAY BE U HAVE GOT THE TRANSLATION FROM DAYANAND SARASWATI.
Quran [1:1] says dont follow impotent Muhammad.
ANSWER:-
CH-1 V-1(1) In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
WHERE DOES THE ABOVE VERSE SAY THIS,NOWHERE THE VERSE DOES TALK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
Quran [1:2] says that all Muslims will go to hell.—
ANSWER:- Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;-
READ WHAT THE VEDAS SAY SOEWHAT SIMILAR IN RIGVED 5-81-1
WHERE DOES THE ABOVE VERSE SAY THIS,NOWHERE THE VERSE DOES TALK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
Quran [1:3] says that Muhammad will be the first man to enter the hell.
ANSWER:- Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
WHERE DOES THE ABOVE VERSE SAY THIS,NOWHERE THE VERSE DOES TALK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
Quran [1:4] says that Allah put seal in the heart of Muhammad so that he could not understand the truth and Allah made him impotent.
ANSWER:- Master of the Day of Judgment.
FRUSTRATION AND FALSE PREACHING FAILS
QURAN SAYS IN CH-17 V81- (81) And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”
@VAJRA
WHEN ERRORS ARE POSTED FROM VEDAS–U DO NTO ANSWER THEM——AND JUST SAY READ THE TRANSLATION FROM U’R JAMNAGAR SITE
SEE IF U WANT TO REFUTE THE CLAIMS —REFUTE AS I HAD REFUTE– WORD TO WORD—AND DON’T SAY JUST READ THE TRANSLATION FROM U’R VERSION
IT NEETS GUTS,FAITHFULNESS–TO REFUTE WITH PROOF–NOT JUST-BY SAYING READ THIS AND THAT- TRANSLATION—–
-IT MEANS THAT U U’R SELF DON’T KNOW WHAT IS IN VEDAS–AND CAN’T REFUTE
truefriend of zakir naik
AFTER SEEING YOUR LEVEL OF COMMENTS AND YOUR POOR UNDERSTANDING OF QURAN, HADITH ETC, POOR ANALYTICAL SKILLS AND FAILURE OF UNDERSTANDING THE SCRIPTURES AND LOGIC, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TO VISIT http://agniveer.com/terms/eligibility-rules-for-debate/ AND DO THE NEEDFUL.
THANKS.
HA HA HA you made mockery of yourself by quoting these verses, these verses have been rebutted by us earlier these verses are translated by ABUL KASAM who writes articles in http://www.islam-watch.org exposing islam, if you believe these verses as true that you have given to us then believe what is written in http://www.islam-watch.org Father-Daughter Incest and Horse-Queen Incest are already rebutted by Raju Maliger see the below article. You are new this site I think that is why you have copy pasted from Truthofhinduism.com but now author of this site is not coming to us for debate. If you check their website Truthofhinduism.com they have given reference from Bhavishya puran so the author of this site has accepted it as a authentic book so if he has accepted this as an authentic book then must also have accepted Mohammad as Demon Tripurasur and MUSLIMS ARE DEMON WORSHIPERS.
See below website for the rebuttal
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TRUEFRIEND111111 if this hadith is weak then why did not MUSLIM SCHOLAR AYOTALLAH KHOMEINI did not say this hadith as weak and why AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI did not find anything wrong in this he said If JESUS could spend three days in a tomb what’s wrong with the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) just staying overnight now and again?
I don’t see it causing any grave problems. Besides, it’s a cultural thing, so who are you to criticise?
EX MUSLIM ZAKARIA BOTROS called Mohammad a necrophilia and challenged all Muslim Scholars to prove him wrong but no MUSLIM SCHOLARS DARED TO ACCEPT HIS CHALLENGE INCLUDING YOUR ZAKIR NAIK instead Muslim countries declared him NO1 ENEMY OF ISLAM and Al qaeda put 60 MILLION DOLLARS ON HIS HEAD. TRUEFRIEND111111 if Mohammad is not a necrophilia why did not Muslim scholars like Zakir Naik debate with Zakaria Botros and prove him wrong then he will not come to challenge muslims. Islamic scholars are more terrified with ZAKARIA BOTROS than they are with ALI SINA
@KATIYAR
THEN POST THE TRANSLATION WORD TO WORD IN THE COMMENTS SECTION—IF U R TRUTHFUL
PROVIDE WORD TO WORD TRANSLATION ON THIS SITE—–AND FINISH THE PROBLEM
REGARDING THE HADITH IF ONE PERSON CLAIMS THAT IT IS SAHIH—IT DOESN’T MEAN SAHIH
FOR e.g.
THERE ARE MANY HINDU PRIESTS SUCH AS VED PRAKAASH,CHATURVEDI,AHMED PANDIT AND MANY MORE CONVERTED TO ISLAM—
BUT I DO NOT USE THAT AS A BASE U TO CONVERT TO ISLAM——-SO BASED ON AN SINGLE VIEW –U CANNOT PROOVE ANYTHING TRUE
REGARDING THE CHALLENGES—-ON THE SITE THEY CLAIM THAT THEY CHALLENGED ZAKIR NAIK
I TOO CAN OPEN A SITE AND CHALLENGE ANYONE—IT IS AN OLD TRICK
THE GUTS IS TO COME FORWARD AND CHALLENGE—COME ON 29 OCTOBER,2010 IN MUMBAI SOMAIYA GROUND FOR THE IRF CONFERENCE AND CHALLENGE –IF U HAVE GUTS
COWARDS CHALLENGE SITTING AT HOME–
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AND WHAT ABUT VEDAS–WILL U REFUTE—WITH WORD TO WORD TRANSLATION——IF YES THEN REPLY–
AND WHEN QUESTIONS REGARDING VEDAS ARE POSTED –DON’T DELETE IT IF U DON’T HAVE ANSWERS TO IT–TRY TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH
TRUEFRIEND111111 I THINK YOU HAVE NOT READ MY COMMENT PROPERLY THE LINK WHICH I HAVE GIVEN GIVE ANSWERS TO ALL YOUR QUERIES STILL IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT THEN YOU HAVE ACCEPTED ABUL KASEM AND http://www.islam-watch.org AS TRUE SOURCE OF INFORMATION AND IF YOU HAVE ACCEPTED ABUL KASEM AND http://www.islam-watch.org as TRUE then you also must have accepted Koran and Shahi Hadith as false because they are quoting from them.
NOW WHY DIDN’T YOU TELL US WHY AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI DIDN’T DENY MUHAMMAD AS NECROPHILIC AND WHY ISLAMIC SCHOLARS ARE AFRAID TO DEBATE ZAKRIA BOTROS
YOU TALKED ABOUT VED PRAKAASH,CHATURVEDI, AHMED PANDIT WHO CONVERTED TO ISLAM WHO ARE THEY NO BODY KNOWS THEM BUT THE MOST BRILLIANT MUSLIM APJ ABDUL KALAM WHO EVERYBODY KNOWS HAS CONVERTED TO HINDUISM RECENTLY JULIA ROBERTS CONVERTED TO HINDUISM THE ONLY RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURES EINSTEIN BELIEVED WERE GITA AND VEDAS.
WHY ZAKIR NAIK NEVER CHALLENGED RSS, VHP SCHOLARS THEY CAN EASILY GATHER CRORES OF PEOPLE, ON THEIR ONE CALL EVERY HINDU WILL COME TO ANY PLACE DOES YOUR ZAKIR ONLY DEBATE WITH YOGA OR PT TEACHER.
@truefriend ..you have lot many people to silence ..which aint possible in this era !
the west has woken up to Islam ..the Christians know better about Islam than you
AYATOLLAH KHOMENI ALSO SAYS YOUR RELIGION IS A FAKE AND KAMSUTRA,IDOL WORSHIPPING ,PORNOGRAPHY, INCEST IS A PART OF VEDAS AND HE ADVISES TO FOLLOW HIS RELIGION SHIA..SO YOU AGREE WITH HIM AND WILL FOLLOW SHIA RELIGION NOW…
ZAKIR NAIK OPENLY ADMITS MUSLIMS AS DEMON WORSHIPERS AND MOHAMMAD AS A DEMON. In his Dawah and public speaking he quotes from Bhavishya Puran and definitely he must have read the whole book of Bhavishya Puran and definitely he did not find anything wrong when Bhavishya Puran states that Prophet Mohammad is Demon Tripurasura and Muslims as DEMON WORSHIPERS. ZAKIR NAIK HAS ADMITTED THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS ARE DEMON WORSHIPERS. MUSLIM CLAPPED AT HIS PUBLIC SPEAKING WHEN HE SAID PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS MENTIONED IN BHAVISHYA PURAN WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HE WANT TO TELL.
AYATOLLAH KHOMENI also said MOTHER OF MOMINS AYESHA DID KAMSUTRA, ,PORNOGRAPHY, INCEST WITH MOMINS LIKE ABU BAKR AND UMER AND POISONED HIS HUSBAND PROPHET MOHAMMAD AND SENT HIM TO ALLAH.
Allah is human-shaped; He looks like Adam:
Adam was shaped completely like Allah; Adam was 60 cubits (30m) in height…(Sahih Bukhari, 8.74.246)
Volume 8, Book 74, Number 246:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), “Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring.” Adam (went and) said, ‘As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).’ They replied, ‘AsSalamu-’Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah’s Mercy be on you). So they increased ‘Wa Rahmatullah’ The Prophet added ‘So whoever will enter Paradise , will be of the shape and form of Adam. Since then the creation of Adam’s (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) to the present time.”
In Sahih Muslim we read:
Adam is the image of Allah… (Sahih Muslim, 32.6325)
Book 032, Number 6325:
This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abu Huraira and in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Ibn Hatim Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) is reported to have said: When any one of you fights with his brother, he should avoid his face for Allah created Adam in His own image.
Allah has arms, legs and ears :
in the Qur’an we read that Allah has eyes and ears…(42:11).
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YUSUFALI: (He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things).
Allah has hands; He created Adam with His own hands…(38:75, 48:10).
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YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: “O Iblis! What prevents thee from prostrating thyself to one whom I have created with my hands? Art thou haughty? Or art thou one of the high (and mighty) ones?”
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YUSUFALI: Verily those who plight their fealty to thee do no less than plight their fealty to Allah: the Hand of Allah is over their hands: then any one who violates his oath, does so to the harm of his own soul, and any one who fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah,- Allah will soon grant him a great Reward.
Allah will hold the whole earth and roll all the heavens up in his right hand…(Sahih Bukhari, 6.60.336)
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 336:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “Allah will hold the whole earth, and roll all the heavens up in His Right Hand, and then He will say, ‘I am the King; where are the kings of the earth?”‘
Allah has huge feet. He puts His foot over hell–fire. That’s right. Commenting on verse 50:30, Sahih Bukhari says exactly this. Let us first read verse 50:30.
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YUSUFALI: One Day We will ask Hell, “Art thou filled to the full?” It will say, “Are there any more (to come)?”
Here are the ahadith from Sahih Bukhari:
50:30 Allah puts his foot over hell fire…(Sahih Bukhari, 6.60.371, 373)
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 371:
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet said, “The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say: “Are there any more (to come)?’ (50.30) till Allah puts His Foot over it and it will say, ‘Qati! Qati! (Enough Enough!)’”
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 373:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, ” Paradise and the Fire (Hell) argued, and the Fire (Hell) said, “I have been given the privilege of receiving the arrogant and the tyrants.’ Paradise said, ‘What is the matter with me? Why do only the weak and the humble among the people enter me?’ On that, Allah said to Paradise . ‘You are My Mercy which I bestow on whoever I wish of my servants.’ Then Allah said to the (Hell) Fire, ‘You are my (means of) punishment by which I punish whoever I wish of my slaves. And each of you will have its fill.’ As for the Fire (Hell), it will not be filled till Allah puts His Foot over it whereupon it will say, ‘Qati! Qati!’ At that time it will be filled, and its different parts will come closer to each other; and Allah will not wrong any of His created beings. As regards Paradise , Allah will create a new creation to fill it with.”
Muhammad was adamant that his Allah was for real; that is, Allah does have physical limbs. To strengthen his claim he compared the eye of Dajjal (anti‑Christ) to that of Allah. He claimed that Dajjal is one-eyed, but Allah is not. Here is a hadith from Sahih Bukhari:
Dajjal is one-eyed but Allah is not…(Sahih Bukhari, 4.55.553)
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553:
Narrated Ibn Umar:
Once Allah’s Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, “l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed.”
Sahih Muslim writes that Allah is not deaf; He can talk and listen and he is really an entity—a physical entity, to be precise, just the likes of a human being.
Let us read this hadith from Sahih Muslim:
Allah is not deaf or absent; the treasure of Paradise is reciting ‘there is no might and no power but that of Allah’…(Sahih Muslim, 35.6528)
Book 035, Number 6528:
Abu Musa reported that he (and his other companions) were climbing upon the hillock along with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and when any person climbed up, he pronounced (loudly):” There is no god but Allah, Allah is the Greatest.” Thereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Verily, you are not supplicating One Who is deaf or absent. He said: Abu Musa or Abdullah b Qais, should I not direct you to the words (which form) the treasure of Paradise ? I said: Allah’s Messenger, what are these? He said:” There is no might and no power but that of Allah.”
Allah will shake hands. Yes, that’s correct. Allah does have arms to shake hands with the His ardent faithful followers.
Here is a hadith from Sunann ibn Majah:
Sunaan ibn Majah, Vol. I Hadith Nnumber 104:
‘Ubayy b. Ka’b (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him said, “The first person with whom Allah will shake hands (on the Day of Judgment), will be ‘Umar and he will be the first man to whom Allah will pay salutation (say: Assalamu ‘alaika) and he will be the first man whom he will hold with his Hand and make him enter the Paradise.
Allah’s two hands are outstretched:
This claim of Allah’s two physical hands has been recorded in the Quran:
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YUSUFALI: The Jews say: “Allah’s hand is tied up.” Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief.
With His own two outstretched hands Allah created Adam. Having done so, Allah was greatly dismayed that Iblis, the Satan, refrained from worshipping His own hands’ creation, Adam. The holy Qur’an confirms that Allah indeed created Adam with His own two hands.
Let us read verse 38:75:
PICKTHAL: He said: O Iblis! What hindereth thee from falling prostrate before that which I have created with both My hands? Art thou too proud or art thou of the high exalted?
Not only that the holy Qur’an confirms the two physical hands for Allah, it also says that Allah will use His two outstretched hands to fold up the heavens (universe)—much like a person who folds a piece of mat or rug with his two hands. After folding up the heavens with His two outstretched hands, He will then hold them (the universe) in His right hand!
Here is the Qur’an talking about Allah’s Hand.
On the resurrection day, the whole earth will be within the fistful of Allah; He will fold up the heavens (universe) inside His right hand (39:67).
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YUSUFALI: No just estimate have they made of Allah, such as is due to Him: On the Day of Judgment the whole of the earth will be but His handful, and the heavens will be rolled up in His right hand: Glory to Him! High is He above the Partners they attribute to Him!
Verse 68:42 of the holy Qur’an says that on the resurrection day Allah will lay bare His shin for the unbelievers to prostrate; but they will fail to do so.
Let us read verse 68:42
YUSUFALI: The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to bow in adoration, but they shall not be able,-
A hadith in Sahih Bukhari says that Allah will, indeed, open His Shin to the unbelievers. This hadith is very long; I shall quote only the relevant part:
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:
Narrated Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri:
…Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, ‘I am your Lord,’ and they will say, ‘You are not our Lord.’ And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, ‘Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?’ They will say. ‘The Shin,’ and so Allah will then uncover His Shin whereupon every believer will prostrate before Him and there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation. These people will try to prostrate but their backs will be rigid like one piece of a wood (and they will not be able to prostrate). Then the bridge will be laid across Hell.” We, the companions of the Prophet said, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is the bridge?…
The above hadith says quite unmistakably that on the Resurrection Day there will be no problem in seeing Allah in His physical form; He will be recognized by His shin.
Allah has a very noble, handsome face:
Let us read verse 55:26–27.
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YUSUFALI: All that is on earth will perish:
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YUSUFALI: But will abide (for ever) the Face of thy Lord,- full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.
Let us read another verse. This verse confirms that Allah holds His bounties in His hand.
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YUSUFALI: “And believe no one unless he follows your religion.” Say: “True guidance is the Guidance of Allah: (Fear ye) Lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) Like unto that which was sent unto you? or that those (Receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?” Say: “All bounties are in the hand of Allah: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: And Allah careth for all, and He knoweth all things.”
Allah is seated on a Throne with His angels guarding Him.
When we read the Qur’an describing the attributes of Allah, we are amazed that Muhammad had taken extreme care to describe his Allah. He compared Allah to a human king—just like the kings in many countries, seated on a huge throne and conducting His affairs from this throne (more on Allah’s throne in a later part of this essay). The Qur’an even tells us that Allah created His throne and then He walked to it and rose over it to take His seat. Read the following verses from the Qur’an.
Allah created the heavens (first) and (then) the earth in six days then he rose over His throne…7:54
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YUSUFALI: Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o’er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!
Allah created the heavens (first) and (then) the earth in six days and (then) He firmly established himself on His throne (i.e. He moved to His throne from somewhere else)…57:4
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YUSUFALI: He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do.
The angels (eight) will be by the side of Allah’s throne (octagonal in shape?) …69:17
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YUSUFALI: And the angels will be on its sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the Throne of thy Lord above them.
Witnessing a physical Allah is as certain as the observation of the sun and the moon.
There are many ahadith which tell us very clearly that Allah is a visible being, though one has to die to see Allah. Here are summaries of a few such ahadith. Readers are requested to verify these ahadith either with the online version of these ahadith or with the print version. Please note that there is no online version of Ibn Majah (or at least, I am yet to see one) and not all ahadith of Sunaan Abu Dawud are available on line. These ahadith, I have quoted in full.
On the resurrection day you will see Allah like you see the sun or the moon on a clear sky …(Sahih Bukhari, 6.60.105)
People will see Allah like a moon…(Sahih Bukhari, 9.93.529)
Background to 50:39: when Muhammad looked at the full moon and said that you would see Allah just like you see the full moon…(Sahih Bukhari, 1.10.529, 547)
You will see Allah as clearly as you see the moon and the sun; hooks will be used to punish the unbelievers; Muhammad, along with his followers will be the first to cross the bridge of hell; some sinners will stay in hell temporarily, some forever … (Sahih Bukhari, 1.12.770)
Sunaan ibn Majah, volume 1, hadith number 178
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Do you crowd (and push one another) to see the moon of the night of the full moon?” they (the audience) said, “No,” whereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said, “Similarly, you will not crowd to see your Lord on the Day of Resurrection.”
Agaian all lies…Quran clearly says verese 112:
ALLAHU AHAD —ALLAH is ONE.
ALLAHUs SAMAD – -ALLAH IS ETERNAL.
LAM YALID WALAMYULAD — HE BEGETHS NOT NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN.
WALAM YAKULLAHU KUFUWAN AHAD.. THERE IS NONE LIKE HIM..
Muinz
Yes, we agree that Hadith are lies!
Muniz We agree the above verses of Quran and Hadith are false
QURAN IS NOT A LIE ITS A TRUE BOOK OF EESHWAR WHICH IS READ BY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE..
YOUR VEDAS ARE REJECTED BY YOUR OWN PEOPLE..90 CRORES OF HINDUS DO NOT FOLLOW VEDAS AND YOU CLAIM ITS A RELIGION OF EESHWAR . I FEEL SAD FOR YOU PEOPLE AS YOUR OWN PEOPLE DO NOT FOLLOW YOU AND YOU ARE IN HIDING…
VEDAS ARE HISTORY…
@OM JAI JAGDISH @VAJRA
I REALL THANY YOU FOR SUCH AN RESEARCH—ACTUALLY IT WAS DONE TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE HADITH WHICH CONTRADICTS WITH QURAN
AND WE MUSLIM’S KNOW—-SO WHENEVER WE–TELL TO READ HADITH WE SAY AS FOLLOW SAHIH HADITH
AND HADEES IS A BOOK WHICH IS AN CLOLLECTION OF THOUSANDS OF HADITHS——-A
AND THAT HADITH ARE FURHTER CLASSIFIED AS—SAHIH,WEAK,WAHID,ETC
AS QURAN IS THE WORD OF GOD–U CAN QUOTE ANY STATEMENT WITH CONTEXT–WE WILL ANSWER—AND FROM HADITH WHICH IS SAID AS SAHIH
SEE @VAJRA THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HADITH AND QURAN—–HADITH WHICH CONTRADICT WITH QURAN ARE REGARDED AS WEAK HADITH
truefriend of zakir naik
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I shall describe the Islamic Paradise or Jannat which was invented by Prophet Mohammed to bribe the Arabs into committing hedious crimes by promising them materialistic things which they couldn’t obtain in the harsh desert. The paradise contains six important items: beautiful virgins, young boys, water, wine, fruits and wealth.
To prove my point I have taken verses from the Koran and quotes from the Hadiths.
VIRGINS (HOURIS)
Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his “high” opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with ‘Houris’ (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.
The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.
Koran 37:40-48
…They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.
Koran 44:51-55
…Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)
Koran 52:17-20
…They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them…
Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?”
Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?”
Koran 56:7-40
…We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. “
Koran 55:70-77
“In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair… Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..
In the Hadiths, Mohammed goes one step further and expands the promise of virgins to include a free sex market where there is no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women and young boys are on display as if in a fruit market where you can choose the desired ripeness.
@OM JAI JAGDISH
WHAT THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE SEXUAL PARTNERS IN HEAVEN AS QURAN SAYS–
U FATHER AND MOTHER WERE MARRIED AND HAD SEXUAL RELATIONS THEN U WERE BORN——–
–IT IS COMMON——-SO IS THE CASE WITH EVERYONE THAT EVERYONE HAS SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP ON THE EARTH
SO IF IN PARADISE IF THERE ARE SEXUAL PARTNERS THEN WHY DO FEEL ASHAMED OR BLASPHEME
—————–I THINK U DON’T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL PARTNERS——————————
BUT THERE ARE GOOD DOCTORS WHER U CAN SHOW URSELF IF U DON’T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL PARTNERS
—————WHAT ABOUT VEDAS PORNOGRAPHY–THAT TOO ON EARTH AND PARADISE—–
Incest : The Father Commits Incest With His DaughterThis is a concept of creation which appears in Rig-Veda and remains through later Hindu mythology. It contains an idea of primeval Incest. Explicitly there is no single hymn which tells this story, but references are scattered around to give a summary of the incestuous event. This story never actually tells the name of the father and the daughter .Let’s read the Rid-Vedic hymns about this incest act of creation.
From the Rig-Veda 10.61.5-7, 1.71.5 , 1.71.8 , 1.164.33
When you will look for the Verses 5-7 in Rig-Veda book 10 hymn 61 present online-to hide reality , but truth cannot be hidden as we will be providing you with the translated verses.
Rig-Veda 10.61.5-7, 1.71.5 , 1.71.8 , 1.164.33
As his penis was stretched out in eagerness for the act of a man, the manly one pulled back. He drew back again from the maiden, his daughter, that tireless phallus which had been thrust in. As they were in the midst of the very act of union, when the father was satisfying his desire for the younger girl, the two of them left a little of the out-flowing seed shed upon the back of the earth in the womb of good deeds. When the father shed his seed in his own daughter, he split his seed on the earth as he united with her. The benevolent gods created sacred speech and fashioned Rudra Vastospati, the protector of sacred rites….. As Agni made the seed for the great father, heaven , he entered into the womb, having noticed that she was inclined to him. The hunter shot an arrow at him boldly. The god satisfied his lust in his own daughter….As the heat of passion came to the king for his enjoyment, heaven laid aside on the ground the seed that had been spilt. Agni caused to be born the blameless benevolent group of youth and made them great…. Heaven is my father, the engenderer, the navel here. My mother is this wide earth , my close kin , Between these two outstretched bowls is the womb (it is translated as womb literally Vagina-yoni ) in it the father placed his daughter’s embryo. [Translated by Wendy Doniger in her Book Hindu Myths on page 26 )
Rig Veda 1.116.19 The Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who is their sister
Rig Veda 1.91.7 Agni is the son of his father and his sister
“After the animal is purified by the priest, the principal wife sleeps near the horse and says: ‘O Horse, i extract the semen worth conception and you release the semen worth conception’” – Yajur Veda 23/20.
The horse and principal wife spread two legs each. Then the Ardhvaryu(priest) orders to cover the oblation place, raise canopy etc. After this, the principal wife of the host pulls penis of the horse and puts it in her vagina and says: “This horse may release semen in me.” -Yajur Veda 23/20.
It is the X rated paradise of Islam which mohammad created to attarct pervents like you.
ISLAMIC HEAVEN IS NOTHING BUT A BIG BROTHEL.
AND DO NOT PROVIDE GRIFITH TRANSLATION.
//BUT THERE ARE GOOD DOCTORS WHER U CAN SHOW URSELF IF U DON’T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL PARTNERS//
BUT 72 PROSTITUTES FOR EVER LASTING LIFE????????????????????
Brain washed like you can believe in such fairy tales
I think vajra,agniveer,om jai jagdis,lkaafir 786 , indian agnostic do not like to have sex.. so i wonder how do they satify their sexual desire??may be they have brought sex toys and they help each other
in sodomy..
How these people population increases; their wives take the help of other men to get themselves satisfied . so these people marry and their wives take the help of other men to get fucked and impregnate them…
keep it up … let other men enjoy your wives..
@Muinz
There is an essential difference between a sex driven beast and human love making.
what @muinz’s is allowed to do by his book falls under the beast sex category ..ever seen chimps taking over a harem violently ..and killing the babies ?
this is what you are taught:
you would not understand the difference between love making and sex ..you have not evolved as yet
Hey they are your ancestors…Nice to see you people after all you people were jumping on this site too..
nice to meet you all.
@Muinz ..while science says that these are everybody’s ancestors …and it can be debated.
the one thing which cannot be debated that your hadits clearly states that your prophet and sahabas were not an iota different from these marauding primates
the above video could be titled ..the raid of the prophet on Bani Mustaliq
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4292
Book 019, Number 4292:
Ibn ‘Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi’ inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before m”. ing them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The MESSENGER OF ALLAH (may peace be upon him) MADE A RAID upon Banu Mustaliq WHILE THEY WERE UNAWARE and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. ON THAT VERY DAY, HE CAPTURED JUWAIRIYA bint al-Harith. Nafi’ said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.
Can some body explain me the practice of Mufa’khathat in Islam?
Why this practice is supported by Mullas?
Above question is only meant for Muslims to answer. Others can join after if any Muslim reply to this question.
You explain it…i want to check your knowledge..
@Muinz
why??? are you ashamed of revealing your cult’s dirty secrets?
for u roger :
http://islamgreatreligion.wordpress.com/2010/10/24/tony-blairs-sister-in-law-has-converted-to-islam/
@king
so what???isn’t she a human being??? Human beings do commit mistakes.
@king
and don’t deviate the topic. answer my question.
@King : For you King : Julia roberts accepts Hinduism; but anywyas what does that have to do with Quran being a book of war ?
Julia Roberts acepted Hinduism..and not sanatan dharm… why are you happyy..
she will be doing Idol worshipping,practising KAMASUTRA…and other irrationale belief..
She embraced Hinduism becoz of KAMASUTRA ..What a shame…
//She embraced Hinduism becoz of KAMASUTRA ..What a shame… //
You are a muslim because you can have sex with war slaves
@MUNIZ are you dumb or what, i was being sarcastic for mr King… people who convert are by no standard a benchmark of the Dharma..My god people dont even have sense of humor, i guess lack of free will leads to lack of humor
UK Scene one :
UK: Convicts converting to Islam for jail ‘benefits’
http://news.rediff.com/interview/2010/jun/08/uk-convicts-convert-to-islam-for-jail-benefits.htm
UK: Some time later:
Muslims in British jails may launch terror strikes when freed
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100827/884/twl-muslims-in-british-jails-may-launch_1.html
Now poor Julia Roberts chose a silly non-violent religion and left the great religion of peace ..isn’t she dumb
Pedophile Michael Jackson converts to Islam before death and now in islamic Heaven he must enjoying with pearl eyed boys.
What vedas say..THE REAL STPIDITY OF EESHWAR AS PER VEDAS..
Rig-Veda , Book Number 10 , Hymn Number 90 known as Purusa.
1. A THOUSAND heads hath Purusa, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet.
On every side pervading earth he fills a space ten fingers wide.
2 This Purusa is all that yet hath been and all that is to be;
The Lord of Immortality which waxes greater still by food.
3 So mighty is his greatness; yea, greater than this is Purusa.
All creatures are one-fourth of him, three-fourths eternal life in heaven.
4 With three-fourths Purusa went up: one-fourth of him again was here.
Thence he strode out to every side over what cats not and what cats.
5 From him Viraj was born; again Purusa from Viraj was born.
As soon as he was born he spread eastward and westward o’er the earth.
6 When Gods prepared the sacrifice with Purusa as their offering,
Its oil was spring, the holy gift was autumn; summer was the wood.
7 They balmed as victim on the grass Purusa born in earliest time.
With him the Deities and all Sadhyas and ??is sacrificed.
8 From that great general sacrifice the dripping fat was gathered up.
He formed the creatures of-the air, and animals both wild and tame.
9 From that great general sacrifice ?cas and S?ma-hymns were born:
Therefrom were spells and charms produced; the Yajus had its birth from it.
10 From it were horses born, from it all cattle with two rows of teeth:
From it were generated kine, from it the goats and sheep were born.
11 When they divided Purusa how many portions did they make?
What do they call his mouth, his arms? What do they call his thighs and feet?
12 The Brahman was his mouth, of both his arms was the Rajanya (Warriors = ksatriyas) made.
His thighs became the Vaisya, from his feet the shudra was produced.
13 The Moon was born from his mind, and from his eye the Sun had birth;
Indra and Agni from his mouth were born, and Vayu from his breath.
14 From from his navel came mid-air the sky was fashioned from his head
Earth from his feet, and from his car the regions. Thus they formed the worlds.
15 Seven fencing-sticks had he, thrice seven layers of fuel were prepared,
When the Gods, offering sacrifice, bound, as their victim, Puru?a.
16 Gods, sacrificing, sacrificed the victim these were the earliest holy ordinances.
The Mighty Ones attained the height of heaven, there where the Sadhyas, Gods of old, are dwelling.
[Translation taken from Wendy Doniger's Book Rigveda : An Anthopology ]
This literally is the great sciences of Hinduism on Creation , as we said earlier their are many more stories regarding Creation in the Rig-Veda , one of them Holds that Creation came into existence due to Incest between father and daughter. We will be discussing it also in future on truthofhinduism.com .
Those Hindu fanatics like Agniveer who are keen on saying their is no caste system in Vedas , might have forgotten to read verse no 12 of this Hymn which clearly shows that Shudra are born from feet , severe discrimination.
Now look at verses from number 10 which gives a broader view of Creation according to Rig Veda. Lets summarize this in points.
1. The horses , all cattle , kine, goats, sheep and all animals are born from this sacrifice of the primeval man.
2. The moon is born from his mind, sun is born from his eyes , Indra & agni (two of vedic gods) came from his mouth and from his breath wind (vayu) was born . Can you believe these fantasy stories of creation in Vedas , moreover some fanatics (agniveer) say their are no stories in Hinduism. This is simply against the established theory of science on creation attributed as Big Bang.
3. From the Navel of this Man came the space , from his head the sky was evolved , from his feet earth was generated and quarters of sky from his ear. The verse at last says ” thus they set the worlds in order ” , they is being referred to the Gods. You have to Digest this fantasy story that the supreme gods did this to create this universe, they had to sacrifice a primeval man , How foolish is this , you need to think.
In future we will be looking at more creation stories in the Vedas .
May truth prevail as Allah says in the Quran , falsehood will always perish as it is bound to be perished.
wOMAN STATUS IN vedas..
Taking cue from the ‘Vedas’ authors of subsequent religious scriptures referred to women in more contemptuous form.
‘Sati pratha’ (custom of burning the widow with the body of her husband), ‘
Dasi Pratha’ (keeping the slave girls), ‘
Niyog Pratha’ (ancient aryan custom of childless widow or women having sexual intercoutrse with a man other than husband to beget child), were among cruel customa responsible for the plight of the women.
Naturally, seeking shelter under such religious sanctions, unscrupulous women disgraced women to the maximuim possible extent and made them means of satisfying their lust.
STUPIDITY OF vedas..
No one wanted a daughter :
As a result; female infant came to be considered unwanted. No one wanted a daughter. Everyone was interested in having a son. The birth of the son was celebrated, but the birth of the daughter plunged family into gloom.
This attitude still persists, even though certain other customs have undergone changes.
‘Rig Veda’ itself says that a women should beget sons. The newly married wife is blessed so that she could have 10 sons.
So much so, that for begetting a son, ‘Vedas’ prescribe a special ritual called ‘Punsawan sanskar’ (a ceremony performed during third month of pregnancy). During the ceremony it is prayed:
“Almighty God, you have created this womb. Women may be born somewhere else but sons should be born from this womb” – Atharva Ved 6/11/3
“O Husband protect the son to be born. Do not make him a women” – Atharva Ved 2/3/23
In ‘Shatpath Puran (shatpath Brahman)’ a sonless women has been termed as unfortunate.
‘Rig Veda’ censures women by saying:
“Lord Indra himself has said that women has very little intelligence. She cannot be thaught” – Rig Ved 8/33/17
At another place it is written:
“There cannot be any friendship with a women. Her heart is more cruel than heyna” – Rig Ved 10/95/15.
‘Yajur Ved (Taitriya Sanhita)’m- “Womns code says that the women are withouth energy. They should not get a share in property. Even to the wicked they speak in feeble manner” – Yajur Ved 6/5/8/2
Shatpath Puran, preachings of the ‘Yajur Veda’ clubs women, ‘shudras’ (untouchables), doga, crows together and says falsehood, sin and gloom remain integrated in them. (14/1/1/31)
In ‘Aiterey Puran’, preaching of the ‘Rig Veda’ in harsih chandra -Narad dialogue, Narad says:
“The daughter causes pain”
Stupidity of Vedas..
Women sex object in Vedas..
Adultery and Fornication:
Intercourse withouth marriage
A slave girl was called ‘Vadhu’ (wife), with whom sexual intercourse could be performed witouth any kind of marriage ceremony.
These girls belonged to the men who snatched them from the enemies, or who had received them in dowry, or as gifts. Only the men to whom they belonged could have sexual intercourse with them.
But some slave girls were kept as joint property of the tribe or the village. Any man could have sexual rlations with them. These girls became the prostitutes.
The ‘Vedas’ also talk about ‘Niyog’, the custom of childless, widow or woman having sexual intercourse with a person other than her husband to beget a child.
In simple words ‘Niyog’ means sending a married woman or a widow to a particular man for sexual intercourse so that she gets a son. Indication of this custom is available in ‘Rig Veda’
In ‘Aadiparva’ of ‘Mahabharata’ (chap. 95 and 103), it is mentioned that Satywati had appointed her son to bestow sons to the queens of Vichitrvirya, the younger brother of Bhishma, as a result of which Dhratrashtra and Pandu were born.
Pandu himself has asked his wife, Kunti, to have sexual intercourse with a brahmin to get a son (Aadi Parva, chapters 120 to 123).
why hindus do not follow vedas??/why hindus are more interesetd in learning English then Sanskrit.
why hindus are interested in reading novel and harry porter books then vedas.
becoz of STUPIDITY OF VEDAS and its teaching..
ISLAM-MEVA-JAYATE…
First clear your stand on http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/ so that we know that you are not yet another terrorist mind doing Taqiya. Be very clear in your views on this article and condemn Zakir Naik for his views on non-Muslims ad apostasy.
already replied …search the site..
I can understand it is difficult to search on this garbage site..
Muinz, great analysis and befitting replies to false allegations from Agniveer. Keep up good job. Brother zakir always brings commonalities between religions to bring Hindus & Muslims together but Agniveer due to envy with Zakir bhai, does the reverse and trying to bring hatred & division between Hindu brothers and Muslims & defame zakir. I am sure even if Zakir debates, Agniveer will with his violent, poisonous, heinous mentality will only bring deviation & rifts between followers of two religion. You have exposed about vedas that not even the followers of vedas know. I know ur intention is not to hurt our other hindu brothers, you are only trying to counter argue with the new god of hinduism i.e. Agniveer for his false allegations that he is picking up from anti-islam websites.
@Person
you are the one who has the most disgusting and anti-humanity posts on this site
you just forgot that they are permanent posts.
Zakir is a banned wahhabi hate preacher and his support for terrorists, his holding the view for killing of people who leave the cult of Islam and his saudi funded Islamic View of not allowing any other religion to co-exist in muslim majority regions is on YOUTUBE for everybody to see.
Agniveer is trying to bring our sane and educated muslims and hindus to the original path of dharma ..which is every Indian’s right to know.
And i am sure that the Agniveer team would not let some foriegn funded jihadi preacher to have a free run selling his fake quran based on fake hadits.
for the moderate muslim to reclaim the original Muhammad & Quran ..the arab wahhabis and their puppets like Zakir bjhai MBBS have to be disowned by them …and thankfully many of them are realizing this now.
The political ambitions of Uthmans and Umars and the sheikhs of Saudi will never come true ..not in India by any chance ..We were,are and will remain superior to those dabka dancers as long as we are on the path of human compassion and unity
First clear your stand on http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/ so that we know that you are not yet another terrorist mind doing Taqiya. Be very clear in your views on this article and condemn Zakir Naik for his views on non-Muslims ad apostasy. Your views on Ashfaqullah show that you are indeed an anti-national who has least respect for martyrs of the country.
already replied …search the site..
I can understand it is difficult to search on this garbage site..
http://islamgreatreligion.wordpress.com/2010/10/24/tony-blairs-sister-in-law-has-converted-to-islam/
Being a hindu i dont agree wid u on so many points, its not that i disagree coz i am a muslims or a christian but u have failed to give the proper answer to all the questions mate, the problem wid we hindus are that we dont have a deep insight to our own religion, honestly its hard explaining hinduism to other people but we can wid a deep knowledge involved
Namaste moksh
Please raise those points/questions here which you think are not discussed/answered properly.
CONTRADICTION ABOUT HISTORY OF VEDA:
We can never saw a unity about Veda by Veda pundit. That how many branches and how many verses contain each branch? Some of them include below
Rig-Veda
1) 21 branches (dyananda saraswathy)
2) 61 braches (skanthaka puran)
3) Veda pundit hasn’t unity that how many verses and its branches?
4) We can never found the orginal verses today from part of rig veda like mudgal shaga,shalva shaga,shliya shaga,valsia shaga,shishri shaga,boudhya shaga,agnimadara shaga,parashara shaga,jathu karnya shaga,ashwalayana shaga,shangayana shagakowshithaki shaka.
Which is true?
What a Hindu follow from it?
How can we say that the existing verses divine?
How can the verses or branches of Veda missed?
Adarva veda
1) 150 branches (mukthiko upanishid)
2) 86 branches (charanya vyuha)
3) 101(pathnjali)
4) But we can only get the verses from five branches, what happened to the rest of them?
5) Today contradiction is there in different Veda pundit even the number of ‘mantra’.Narendra bushan says
1500 mantra (Narendra bushan: history of vidika sahithya page 99) and parameswer says 1900 mantra (Parmeswar pilla: introduction to Hindu dharma page 182)
How many branch us believed?
Who hide the manthra?
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Sama veda
1) Different opinion is there in the branches of sama Veda (1000,1065,1080)
2) Today Only three branches available (koudamiyam,ranayaniyam,jimaniyam)
what happened to the rest of them?
Adarv veda
1) what hapend to the braches of adarv veda (thowdam,moudam,jajakam,jaladam,brahma padam,deva dhrshnam)
2) contradiction is there in the number of mantra(5987 or 6000)
The description from the Veda we can understand the following things:
1) Most of the verses we can’t saw who the person god introduced it?
2) Today the contradiction exist the creator of Veda. Branches of Veda and number of mantra in available in each branches.
3) Today The Veda related…
The description from the Veda we can understand the following things:
1) Most of the verses we can’t saw who the person god introduced it?
2) Today the contradiction exist the creator of Veda. Branches of Veda and number of mantra in available in each branches.
3) Today The Veda related scripture never available, so
How can we say that Veda completed (sampurna) and contains all the knowledge?
4) We can saw different superstition from the Veda that people believed in the period of Veda. It indicate people life Influence the verses. (Rig-Veda mandalam 1:50, 10:40, saptha kandam 76:1-5, adarva Veda yekonavimsha 9:10).
5) From the Veda we can understand that by mantra, yanjna, yaga, puja we can controlled by nature, devans and even gods, that indicated that the weak knowledge of Veda pundits from the period of Veda.
@Shabeer (Basic Differences between Veda & Kuran)
1. Veda preach God is one & all-powerful does not require help of any prophet to maintain his creation but Kuran preach God is not all-powerful & require prophet’s help.
2. Veda preach we should not worship any human or recited humans name in God’s prayer but Kuran preach we should worship/recited human name in God prayer.
3. Veda preach we should not bow head before any stone, & God is omnipresent, you need not to follow rituals, God is everywhere but Kuran preach we should bow head before stone Kaba & Allah is limited to just his throne on 7th sky.
4. Veda preach we should not kill any innocent, who is not doing harm of anyone. If some ignorance/superstitions like bowing head before any stone like Kaba, or any other idol have taken place in society need to be removed through spread of Veda knowledge, not by killing them but Kuran preach kill the idolater/polytheist.
5.Veda preach we should not kill beneficial animals like cow, Bull, goat, buffalo, dog etc for tongue test but Kuran preach kill the animals for tongue test.
6. Veda preach incest is a greatest sin we should not sex with our sisters. But unfortunately fake Islam is promoting concept of sex with sister by supporting fake stories of Aadam & Eve.
7. Veda preach Allah creates thousand of men & women in the inception of universe, does not force anyone for incest but But Kuran support incest ideology.
8. Veda preach Allah knowledge is eternal & perfect, there is no change in his knowledge. Allah never sends different scripture but Kuran preach Allah is changeable & moody person.
9. Veda preach you do not need to go on 7th sky in search of Allah like fool Mohamad, but Allah is within you. By meditation/Yoga you can realize him. kabir Das also says: Moko Kaha Dunde Bande, Mai to tere pass mai.(Where are u searching me, I am within you.)
10. Veda preach cycle of universe creation/destruction eternal There are many universe creation have taken place before this creation. Allah never sited idly as…
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Kuran says Allah was sited idly before this universe creation & he suddenly got the idea of universe creation.
11. Veda Preach there is no eternal hell or heaven. Because result of limited/finite deed can not be infinite.
12. Veda preach God is impartial & just. He gives you birth as per your previous birth deeds.
13. Veda preach whenever you realize God/achieved God, there remains nothing to be achieved. God himself all bliss full. No requirement of heaven’s hoors to get enjoyment. Vedic God never depends on hoors to give enjoyment to his devotee.
14. Veda preach we should not sex with children like fool Mohamad, this is greatest sin of mankind. There is a death sentence for this heinous crime. Fortunately Mohmad was not borne in Vedic period.
15. Veda preach we should have the same feeling for the others as we think for ourselves. suppose If I expect faithfulness/loyalty from wife, I also should not have a lustful look towards other women but feeling of sisters for them. But Kuran is against this ideology.
@Truth Seeker
“1. Veda preach God is one & all-powerful does not require help of any prophet to maintain his creation but Kuran preach God is not all-powerful & require prophet’s help.”
“Veda preach you do not need to go on 7th sky in search of Allah like fool Mohamad, but Allah is within you. By meditation/Yoga you can realize him. kabir Das also says: Moko Kaha Dunde Bande, Mai to tere pass mai.(Where are u searching me, I am within you.)”
What @ Rishis then? Where do they drop from sky? Where do they got knowledge from? So God only speaks sanskrit
how come Vedas written in Sanskrit and how does Rishis learn Sanskrit. please explain in details further.
@hey
___________What @ Rishis then? Where do they drop from sky? Where do they got knowledge from? So God only speaks sanskrit
how come Vedas written in Sanskrit and how does Rishis learn Sanskrit. please explain in details further______________
Response
Click on link Read this attentively
http://vedmandir.com/node/98
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@hey
Pay attention of 8th stage Asthang Yog mentioned in comments
http://agniveer.com/5190/origin-of-vedas-their-inspiration-and-authority/#comment-16689
who says that ” God is not all-powerful & require prophet’s help.”
can you prove with evidence?
evidence from Veda support polytheism
VEDA PROMOTES WORSHIPING NATURAL POWERS:
1) Agni
Support to pray to sun:
“Oh! thejomaya! You create ever existed sun; you give the light for human, oh! Jothirmaya! You are the light of human. We declare you are superior, please give the peace, please give me the power” (Rig-Veda 10:150:5)
Like (Rig-Veda 10:70:17-10:7:4, 28 – 7:15:2- 4:1:9-31:7- 3:5:1-10:37:4)
The most of the above verses introduce Agni become a god, but we can saw Agni the mediator between human and divan’s from Rig-Veda 10:7:4
Its came from the fear of fire (Rig-Veda 2:4:15-18)
2) Sun and Light
Veda explains the power and characteristics of sun and light (Rig-Veda 1:92:14)
Promote pray to sun:
“Hai! Sun! You remove the dark and spread the light; from your light you remove our starvation, selfishness, knowledge, nightmare and all pain,” (Rig-Veda 10:37:4)
3) soma(alcohol)
Veda introduce soma the powerful alcohol (Rig-Veda 8:48 36.)
Detail description about after effect of soma (shukla yejur veda shabada brahmana 7:3:2:1-3)
Veda describes how to prepare powerful soma (shukla yejur veda shabada brahmana 12:8:2:8-10)
Indran drinks alcohol, effect of alcohol he killed the innocent vrithyan (Rig-Veda 2:15:4)
But we can saw the same Veda promoting soma as a god:
“Soma raja and varuna, all the karma belong to you. Your glory was powerful and expandable .soma like mithra and sun “(Rig-Veda 1:91:17.)
“King soma! God, please protect us from the self desire, you and like your are eternal “
“Soma common and receive our puja and yoga, please give us better life “
“Soma! Increase our economic status, relief our pain, give us the whelth, make us good people” (Rig-Veda 1:91)
Historian criticize how Hindu belief of natural power as god?
· Whitny: Journel of American Oriental Society-iii:292.)
· Dr. S. Radhakrishnan: Indian Philosophy Vol I page 62.)
· H.D…
we never believe Allah every were.he told to his quran ,he above the 7th sky.but his power exiting each atom to entire universe.
quran never says kill the idolater
read……
http://agniveer.com/forum/Thread-The-Qur-an-And-Non-Muslims
what you eat today,some vegetable ,yes? is it non-living?
thousand of year all the people(christian,muslim,jew,93% of hindu,etc) eat meat,any things hap-end to them?
modern doctor says,we must ete,meat,fish,egg
which world are you lived?
only 5%of brahmin never eat meat.
(my wedding day 100 of brahmin attend the party(me and my father friends) only 10 of them eat vegetarian,rest of them eat meat….
)
who believe your impracticable story?
@shabeer,
>> only 5%of brahmin never eat meat.
Those are not brahmins then, a brahmin is by nature not by birth.
>>thousand of year all the people(christian,muslim,jew,93% of hindu,etc) eat meat,any things hap-end to them?
Thousands of years we are doing idolatory any thing happened to us?
>>what you eat today,some vegetable ,yes? is it non-living?
Then why are you sparing some animals eat them too?
Eating vegetables/fruits which dont kill the tree or eating vegetables which are not perennial is not harmful to the plants.
>>we never believe Allah every were.he told to his quran ,he above the 7th sky.
Yes he is a gas confined to a chamber in 7th heaven.
>>but his power exiting each atom to entire universe.
He cant even control satan, what use of boasting about his non existing powers
>>quran never says kill the idolater
It says punishment for atheists(they deny god), christians ( as they dont believe prophethood of muhammad) , hindus(they take midway and do not give any importance to either moses or muhammad)
Foolish judge called allah punishing a person for his beliefs rather than a persons deeds, what more do you expect from a tribal god, all prejudices of their tribal mind will be attributed to god.
>>regarding worship of nature
Yes we worship gods power to sustain the mankind, HE as surya is the sole cause of all life forms on earth, HE as digestive power in our body is the maintainer of life, What is wrong in prasing HIM?
Even by atheist standard it is better to praise nature rather than to believe in 7th heaven gas.
Thousands of years we are doing idolatory any thing happened to us?
i says there health condition,not un-physical things my brother.
so u suport idolatory,that menas u r not the member of arya samaj.2 moth i serching this site i can’t find the non-araya samaj member.ok lot of question u have to answer here about upanishid,aranya,brahmana,bagavath geetha,purana and ethihasa, r u ready?
He cant even control satan, what use of boasting about his non existing powers.
100 replay to this questions to u’r friends.he create satan,for tesing human,whether who is being ideal or not,at the end of day,god capture him and put to the hell,with his friends.
@shabeer
>>so u suport idolatory,that means u r not the member of arya samaj
I dont support or oppose idolatory.
It is just an answer to your meaningless statement arguing that millions eat meat…nothing bad happened.
Nothing bad happens even if people do idolatory, idol is less harmful than red meat which you crave for.
>>he create satan,for tesing human,whether who is being ideal or not,at the end of day,god capture him and put to the hell,with his friends.
What test? Why should god create and test? Can I test god? God himself never took any test why shall i take any test?
Cruel god punishing persons for infinite time just because a person has committed crime once or twice in his hundred year life span. To hell with such type of hypocrite god. I will better not live in such a persons company.
@Shabeer
Just one query
What was Allah doing before this universe creation? What suddenly happened to Allah he got the idea of universe creation? Please answer me of this & please remember do not copy paste or write lengthy in response of this simple question.
@Shabber
What is mean of idolatry? I think bowing before a limited things which can be measured is idolatry. Then, Why Muslim bow head before Kaba becuase Kaba is the biggest idol of world & why do you kiss black stone? Please answer me just to the point, do not copy paste.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTRADICTION IN QURAN IS THAT IT STATES IT IS PURELY ARABIC IN NATURE BUT THE WORD “SURAH” ITSELF IS NON-ARABIC SYRIAN WORD.
It was said that the quran was written is a clear Arabic tongue.
“We have sent it down as an Arabic Quran” Joseph chapter (Surat Yusuf) 2
Actually there are 9 quran verses saying that the quran was written is a clear Arabic
tongue.
As in the chapters of: Joseph (Surat Yusuf), Ta-Ha (Surat Ta-Ha), the bees (Surat An-Nahl), The Poets (Surat Ash-Shu’ara’), distinguished (Surat Fussilat), Consultation (Surat Ash-Shura), The Gold Adornments (Surat Az-Zukhruf), The Curved Sand-hills (Surat Al-Ahqaf) and The Groups, (Surat Az-Zumar) All The annotators are saying that “a clear Arabic tongue” means the most fluent Arabic tongue
It was found that the quran contained 275 non-Arabic words, intruded into the quran from
foreign languages present at that time.
The Islamic encyclopedia, part 26, and page 8222, 8223 said:” the annotators found no
embarrassment to commit that there are many non- Arabic words intruded into the quran
text from languages as: Hebrew, Indian, Persian, Ethiopian, Barbarian, Romanian, Coptic,
Greek, and Syrian”
In “the relic” book narrated Ibn Abbas:” they were showing a great interest in the origin
of those words and their meanings”
Al-Syouty, in his book “the perfection in quran’ sciences” wrote a special chapter for
those big number of foreign non-Arabic words saying that there are 275 non Arabic
words in the quran, and those words can’t be connected by any mean to the Arabic
language.
Al- Motawakely also made a special study on those words.
Another study was made by Sheikh Ibrahim Al-Ibiary in his book “history making of the
quran” Ta’rikh Al-Quran” published in Cairo in 1981 by the house of Arabic book
Of these words:
- “Tafaq’a ” is a Romanian word means” intended to do”, as in The Heights chapter
(Surat Al-A’raf) 22.
- “Al-toar “is a Syrian word means “the mountain”, as in the Cow chapter (Surat Al-
Baqarah)…
Origin of a Genocidal Religion and its effects
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It is true that the ancient Hebrews invented Religious Genocide, which is the killing of other peoples for having a different religion than the killers’ own. They did this by murdering the priestesses and priests of the competing deities worshiped within their own population, then the competing clergy of all the local tribes. For good measure, they also killed the conquered tribe’s adults and boys, keeping only the little girls whom they could then rape and brainwash into the new religion of Yahweh-ism and their new roles as slaves to men (“Old Testament” is filled with plenty of examples). Jeremiah and his revisionist followers did their worst to remove the evidence of Yahweh’s wife Tiamat, and demoted the other deities to “Angels.” The history of what then became known as Judaism is, if we are to believe the Biblical tales, in large part one of sanctimonious religious terrorism — practiced right up to the time when their weapons were physically taken away from them. Islam & Christianity are offspring of a Genocidal Religion continue to doing the similar bad things forever to the mankind.
adolf traped:
what u says we can pray to natural power,is it.
answer one by one the following,don’t miss any veres,is it?
lets start.
1) According to Hindu Veda who created the universe?
One god was the reason for all the creation. His existence was above the sky (hrid Veda 10:129:1,-2 – 0:129:6, 7)
First of all hernias (one god) only existing here, he create all things in our universe. Universe follows his rules and regulation. he has many sense organ, he saw all the things alone (hrid Veda 10:121:1) (Shwethashathora Upanishad 3:3,4)
What are the basic things of creation of this universe? .one god creates universe by his own power (shuklaya yejur Veda 17:-18)
All the Planet and all the stars are depends to one god (Adarva Veda 13:-5 to 22)
He (one god) created and protects universe, earth, sky and space between sky and earth (Adarva Veda 7:26:4)
Movement of air, sun rises, fire and all things are due to his power (Shwethashathora Upanishath 2:8:1) (Mundako Upanishath 2:2:11)
He controlled the entire world, he is alone. He (Greatness) looking (Vivacious) his creation (hrid Veda 8:25:16) (Shwethashathora Upanishath 16:17)
@shabeer,
>> One god was the reason for all the creation. His existence was above the sky.
Give me the correct sloka, dont copy paste from some sites.
God in hinduism never confined to a place. He is said to be beyond universe and also said to be every where, which actually means we should not make any assumptions that he is limited to one place.
Please see the meaning of a description of – Brahmanda vyapta dEhaa
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sankrit here coming like this plz read from
http://www.sanskritweb.net/rigveda/rv10-120.pdf
contradiction about your comments
first u says i pray to sun(it any relation with below statement)
second u says “God in hinduism never confined to a place. He is said to be beyond universe and also said to be every where, which actually means we should not make any assumptions that he is limited to one place.”
When we offer salutations to the sun, we offer gratitude to that source of energy that has made life on earth possible. So, you have to understand things in a proper context. And yes, do not forget the sun is not bereft of the universal consciousness that is all-pervading. And also teach yourself about the difference between devis and devatas and paramatma.
@shabeer
__________second u says “God in hinduism never confined to a place. He is said to be beyond universe and also said to be every where, which actually means we should not make any assumptions that he is limited to one place.”____________
God is everywhere means God is different/separate from all. Like as I say Shabeer shirt is not shabeer because shirt is separate from Shabeer. & in same sense like Shabber lives in a house but house is different from Shabeer, you can not say house is shabeer As God is omnipresent, God is even within you but God is different from you. For more ex. Fish lives in water/pond but fish is different from water, you can not say water is fish or fish is water both are separate. Thus, God is everywhere but different from nature & souls.
that means the follwing veres are wrong?
One god creates all the matters in our universe, Deity, paradise and earth. He is the source of all the good things so we pray to him only.
(Rig-Veda 10:-81:-1.)
is it?
@shabeer
If you read my comments all i said is “HE as surya is the sole cause of all life forms on earth, HE as digestive power in our body is the maintainer of life, What is wrong in prasing HIM?”
To whom are we praying by parying to sun? We are praying to HIM and wondering about the power of HIM.
Surya is called pratyaksham brahma, what does that mean it just means gods power is manifest as surya and we are respecting god by praising surya.
If muslims can make up something great of a stone, then why cannot we praise gods power manifesting as sun?
As a simple anology you can take the power by which a prime minister/minister/village panachayat president rules in a democratic country. The power to rule is the actual god called brahman, the other persons considered are just dummies without the power, but people still respect the persons because the power has chosen them as representatives in the country.
Of course you can always respect/pray to the power, but to call that people praying to prime minister goes to hell is plaim stupidity.
@adolf
“If muslims can make up something great of a stone”.oh! i already says that its the object,it hasn’t atleast .infinity 1 power of god.
One god creates all the matters in our universe, Deity, paradise and earth. He is the source of all the good things so we pray to him only.
(Hrid Veda 10:-81:-1.)
(Shwethashathora Upanishath 3:1)
here veda says ” pray to him only”
whats the meaning of it?
@shabeer:
>>here veda says ” pray to him only”
Typical quranic mindset. I dont have the mantra so that i can understand.
But going by your translation it just say we are praying to HIM who is the source of all good things. The only indicates we are actually praying to HIM. It is not an instruction to pray unmanifested brahman only, it is just a pointer indicating we are actually praying to HIM irrespective of names and forms to which we pray.
All the Planet and all the stars are depends to one god (Adarva Veda 13:-5 to 22)
how can sun become a god?
the above verses indicate beyond the sun,one super power existing is it?
but why my 99% of hindu pray to created things like sun,siva,sai,snake,swami,etc?
answer expecting verse by verse………..(4 day passed)
@shabeer:
answer expecting verse by verse………..(4 day passed)
Keep waiting. Answering you to your satisfaction and standards is not how things work. You cannot impose your standard of judgement based on your conditioning of the Quran and then go about proclaiming every other form of spirituality is bogus because it is not allowed in the Quran. It is like saying, “Look, sphere is the most perfect shape. Look it looks the same from all sides. But why your home is like rectangular blocks” or “Look, integers are perfect numbers. They are countably infinite. So, real numbers are flawed because they are not countably infinite”.
Grow up and dont be a frog in the well.
i learn it from my mathematic graduation,plz come to the point why are veda and people diffrent?
@shabeer
Do you think Quran and Muslims are same?
Aatish e Haq recently posted..Islam and Hinduism Debate
Brother Shabeer, I am going to take a census. I will go around asking 99 % ofthe hindus, only some 80 million in number, why they worship sun,moon etc. I will prepare a pie chart and present it before you. You can analyse and give your valuable comments then.Okay?
> Why is it so difficult for yo to understand that the way in which one tries to connect to God is not significant as long as he pursues noble selfless acts? I know God is formless. Kindly explain logically why would God punish me when after knowing his formlessness I pray to an idol as long as I am a good person at heart.WHY would God get offended/angered/insulted?
2) According to Hindu Veda who was a Hindu to do worship?
According to Hindu believes Primitive Hindus pray to one god ‘ohm’.
If someone preys to immortal things, they reach to hell. If someone unbelief the god they go to the hell. (Eshavaswa Upanishath 12, 13)
One god creates all the matters in our universe, Deity, paradise and earth. He is the source of all the good things so we pray to him only.
(Hrid Veda 10:-81:-1.)
(Shwethashathora Upanishath 3:1)
We Obeisance to one god for the creation of the entire universe.
(Krishna yejur Veda 4:-6 to 9)
(Shwethashathora Upanishath 6:16 to 17)
@shabeer
>>Eshavaswa Upanishath 12, 13
See the discussion about this in india divine website. The mantras discuss about avidya and going to darkness. They never say anything about permanenet hell.
I dont why you are quoting the remaining mantras.
@shabeer,
>>According to Hindu Veda who was a Hindu to do worship
Define worship before asking who to worship
Any way hindu god has no name and many names. So it is permitted to worship any god.
In general hindus worhip many god knowing very well that all forms and names are of HIM.
3) According to Hindu Veda how many gods are there?
Primitive Hindus pray to one god ‘ohm’
One god was the reason for all the creation. His existence was above the sky (hrid Veda 10:129:1,-2 – 0:129:6, 7)
First of all hernias (one god) only existing here he create all things in our universe. Universe follows his rules and regulation (hrid Veda 10:121:1) (Shwethashathora Upanishad 3:4)
What are the basic things of creation of this universe? .one god creates universe by his own power (shuklaya yejur Veda 17:-18)
All the Planet and all the stars are depends to one god (Adarva Veda 13:5 to 22)
“Thamitham nikitham sahas’a yeshaka yekavritheka yeka yekatham devameka vritham Veda sarve asmin deva yekavritho bavathi”
He is alone (one). Believe he ever exists alone. There are no two gods (Adarva Veda 13-5-20, 21)
Nothing equal to him (one god) .His Reputation was truthful and Greatness (yejur Veda 32:3)
He was powerful than anything’s. He was powerful than Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu, divan’s, and all Vedas. He Slaughter the entire universe. Prey to him alone (sharabo Upanishath 2, 3)
He controlled the entire world, he is alone. He (Greatness) looking (Vivacious) his creation (hrid Veda 8:25:16) (Shwethashathora Upanishath 16:17)
If one man is trustful (real believer) he knows his god is one. He (god) never been say one, two, three……he is alone and high powerful. All the things are concentrated and united belongs to him. (Adarva Veda 13:5:1 to 21)
How can sun ray fall in all the direction? Like that you understand that god reach all were alone. (Keno Upanishath 1:8)
Indram, brhma, Vishnu these devans are created and controlled them by god (thithariyo Upanishath 4:12)
>>According to Hindu Veda how many gods are there?
Why are you giving both questions and answers.
There is only one GOD and all hindus are worshipping only one GOD.
A hindu can go to gurdwara/church/masjid and pray because he truly believes that there is only one god. But see muslims or christians by denying hindu god they are accepting muliplicity of god, i.e hindu god is false god and abrahamic god is true god, which makes the number of gods to two which is polytheism.
4) According to Hindu Veda can we see the god from our naked eye?
We can’t saw the god from our naked eye. We can’t saw him as an object. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 4:20)
He saw without eye, he hearing without ear. He knows all things, but few of them are knows to him. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 3:19)
He was beyond our sense, our word, and our brain (kado Upanishath 1:2:23)
Our ancestor believes that, we can’t understand the god from our eye, ear and our brain. We can’t explain the structure of god. We can’t hear from other person the structure of god. Because it is beyond our sense.
(Keno Upanishath 1:3).
What is the matter we can’t understand from our sense? .but it is the source of all the power. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
What is the power we can’t saw from our naked eye? But it gives the sight to the eye. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
What is the power we can’t hear from our naked ear? But it gives the hearing to the ear. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
What is the power we can’t understand from our soul? But it gives all the power of soul. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
(Keno Upanishath 1:4, 5, 6, 7).
How can sun ray fall all the direction? Like that you understand that god reach all where alone. (Keno Upanishath 1:8)
If someone doesn’t know about truth of god. He can’t understand and not useful the Veda perfectly. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 4:8)
If someone understand the god perfectly he being always unhappy or he always sadness. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 3:10)
Most of the above god we can saw from the temple, photos, statue, Symbol, etc then what Veda says ‘We can’t saw him as an object’ (Shwethashathora Upanishath 4:20) and we can’t understand the god from our eye, ear and our brain. We can’t explain the structure of god. We can’t hear from other person the structure of god. Because it is beyond our sense. (Keno Upanishath 1:3).
>>According to Hindu Veda can we see the god from our naked eye?
Simple question can you see the light with naked eye? Answer will be Yes and No.
It is the light which enables you to see and at the same time you cannot deny that you saw light with your eye.
The same is with god, he as brahman enables us to see, and as a manifested god allows us to see with eye.
By the way learn islam first rather than telling us what we already knew.
we can saw the beam of sunlight from diffrent instrument adofl.
its a object,we can felt hot and more
99% of hindu god are object.
why veda says we can’t saw them as an object?
You are talking in literal terms. Understand this, your parents are also objects of flesh and blood; so, do you respect them or not for what they have done for you? The sun may not be a direct benefactor, but do you underestimate the importance of the sun in your life?
@shabeer,
>>we can saw the beam of sunlight from diffrent instrument adofl.
To see means your brian cell are activated by light. Tha light can be any light (not only sun).
The question of using other instrument fades away when you realize that to use the instrument you need light.
God can be compared to that light which is enabling you to see.
>>99% of hindu god are object.
Even allah is an object. Hasnt quran compared allah with light tied to a date tree?
>>why veda says we can’t saw them as an object?
This you will understand only when you understand ana al haq, and what is the haq which mansoor al hallaj is talking about.
two week time i give u.u’r time start now…………………………………
@shabeer
I replied all your question in just a day.
Now please spare us from copy pasting and telling us what we already knew.
Also if possible plese explain to me how quran compares god with a light inside a lamp tied to a date tree.
You all are marketing agents who malign each others product to keep up in the market
Christians market for Bible,
Muslims market for Quran
Sikhs market for Adi Granth
Hindus market for Vedas
Jews market for Torah.
Have anyone of you have ever really following the path of religion.
@marketingagents
________You all are marketing agents who malign each others product to keep up in the market___________
What “Who are you means”?
_______marketingagents_______
and for whom you are marketing?
______Have anyone of you have ever really following the path of religion_______
Do you ownself follow path of religion before pointing finger to others & What is the path of religion explain?
What you find immoral in Veda teaching which is being pressurized to follow by others. Please explain me also.
Why are you so sensitive, if Vedas belongs to everyone I can say whateva i like you marketing agent
, bcoz of people like you
people tend to leave religion.
@marketingagents
Where we have forced the people to leave their religion? If we request the people to stop the satanic ideology killing of apostate/idolater, stop the ideology making woman sex slaves, stop the killing of innocent animals for tongue test, Give equal right to woman, stop the punishment stoning to death for woman, stop the killing of fellow brothers for not believing in Kuran & Mohamad blindly, stop the ideology of killing who do not believe in miracles. Then what you find wrong in ours (Followers of Veda), if we are doing this.
I am not following any religion so do not include me in your sales team you marketing agent. Stop marketing your product
to me.
@marketingagen
First of all, I am individually commenting here not on behalf of any religious institutions & I have no connection with any sales team or institution. & You First of all commenting on religion you should get aware what is religion & one can refuse to believe in 4 Vedas and yet be follower of Vedic religion if one follows these characteristics of religion:
Non-violence, Patience, Forgiving, Self-control, Non-Stealing, Purity, Brahmacharya (Self-control and NON-obscenity), Intellect, Knowledge seeking, Truthfulness, Non-Anger, Putting strong efforts, Self-study or self-evaluation.
To know more read this
http://agniveer.com/5132/common-questions-vedic-religion/
@marketingagents
Simple answer is who landed here, did agniveer site send you a mail to join here or you yourself came here to call us marketing agents? You can only label agniveer site as marketing agent if you came here because of emails/pamplets from this site, other wise i ask you to please ……….
thanks
@marketingagent:
I am not following any religion so do not include me in your sales team you marketing agent. Stop marketing your product to me.
Umm…this is a website where we defend our POV. Remind me again who is forcing you to buy whatever we are “marketing”?
losers..
losers? Let’s see who is having a last laugh here.
Periyardasan, an atheist and a rationalist has embraced Islam. he said “I was thinking there was no god and no life after death but recently I feared what would happen to me if there is God and the hereafter as Quran says. So I decided to convert to Islam.”
“Afraid of afterlife” lol
@marketingagent
Didnt you notice that you have been infected by one of the main trait of islam, i.e claiming victory when lost. You do not have words to defend your statment and calling us losers, get a life learn some meditation you will definitely find cure for this virus.
HI
aGNIVEER CAN U JUST FOCUS ON DEFENDING SANATAN DHARMA AND NOT TALK ABOUT OTHER FAITHS
@Dogra
Isin’t fighting against ‘adharma’ is one of the tenet of Santan Dharma? Agniveer has started this campaign only after other faiths started maliging SD, don’t you know about “dharmo rakshati rakshitaha” ?
Yajur Veda 15.15 says Sûrya is God
Yajur Veda 32.1,13.24 2.28, Atharva Veda 7.53.2 God is Agni being Self-refulgent;
Rig Veda 2.28.3 says Varuna is God
Yajur Veda 14.14 says Vayu is God
Rig Veda 4:30:16 says Indra is Lord of heroes
The term devata or Dev means God But according Dayanand Saraswati the term Devata has this meaning
2. What is meant by the mention of various devatas (Gods) in the Vedas then?
A. Whatsoever or whosoever possesses useful and brilliant qualities is called a
devata, as the earth for instance; but it is nowhere said that it is God or is the
object of our adoration. Even in the above mantra it is said that He, who is the
sustainer of all devatas, is the adorable God, and is worthy of of being sought
after, They are greatly mistaken who take the word “devata” to mean God. [Satyarth Prakash Ch 7, pg # 203]
The objection here is not about the meaning of Devta, but it’s about Does the Vedas endorse Polytheism? If yes then there would be no use to argue about the term Devata, So let’s analyse
उपासना= Worship
आराधना= Worship
अर्चन= Worship
पूजा= Worship
पूजन= Worship
प्रार्थना= Prayer, Worship
आवाहन= Invoke
Yajur Veda 40.8 He (Ishwar) alone should be worshipped.
This is the famous verse quoted by small community of monotheistic Hindu sect to show there is only one god and he alone should be worshiped although there are 33 gods mentioned in Vedas and now that community explains it in a twisting manner, now let us read the next verse
Atharva Veda 2.2.1-2 Lord of the World, divine Gandharva, only he should be honoured in the Tribes and worshipped…the friendly god who only must be worshipped.
And now this Atharva Veda verse says to pray only to the Gandharva and only Gadharva should be honoured (and not Ishwar).
Atharva Veda 20.85.1 Glorify naught besides, O friends; so shall no sorrow trouble you. Praise only mighty Indra when the juice is shed, and say your lauds repeatedly:
Rig Veda 6.47.17 He…
(Indra) loves no more the men he loved aforetime: he (Indra) turns and moves away allied with others who. Rejecting those disregard his worship
This Verse refers to the Brahman Indra the Hindu God. This verse says Indra does not love the men and moves away from the men who does not worship him, Now isn’t it very confusing to whom we should worship? If you read Yajur Veda 40.8 and Rig Veda 6.47.17 they sounds like they cannot tolerate each other, these verses from Vedas contradicts themselves, one verse says Ishwar alone should be worshiped and another says Indra does not love the men who does not worship him (which means Indra should also be worshiped and only he should be praised). Some Hindus have problem with Muslims paying high respect to Prophet S.A.W and call it Muslims worships Prophet Muhammad so what about the Vedas which clearly commands to praise many Gods and Godesses. The Vedas says to worship Indra clearly in many verses
Rig Veda 3.32.7 With reverence let us worship mighty Indra, great and sublime, eternal, everyouthful…
Rig Veda 4.17.18 Be helping Friend of those who seek thy friendship . give life, when lauded, Indra, to the singer. For, Indra, we the priests have paid thee worship, exalting thee with these sacrifices.
The Vedas not just says to worship Indra but they also command to worship Agni
Yajur Veda 27.15 Let him pay worship to this Agni’s greatness[Agni] …
Rig Veda 3.9.9 Three times a hundred Gods and thrice a thousand, and three times ten and nine have worshipped Agni, For him spread sacred grass, with oil bedewed him, and stablished him as Priest and Sacrificer.
Rig Veda 2.3.3 Adored in heart, as is thy right, O Agni, serve the Gods first to-day before the mortal. Bring thou the Marut host. Ye men do worship to Indra seated on the grass, eternal.
Worshiping the God is ok but God worshiping God is very shocking, Agni who is a God according to Veda also worships other Gods
Rig Veda 6.16.2 So with thy joyous tongues for us sacrifice nobly in this rite. Bring thou (Agni) the Gods and worship them.
The Vedas also says to Worship both Indra and Agni
Rig Veda 6.60.1. He slays the foe and wins the spoil who worships Indra and Agni, strong and mighty Heroes, Who rule as Sovrans over ample riches, victorious, showing forth their power in conquest.
Rig Veda 5.45.4 With hymns and God-loved words will I invoke you, Indra and Agni, to obtain your favour,For verily sages, skilled in sacrificing, worship the Maruts and with lauds invite them.
Holy Trinity: We had only knew one trinity Jesus, Mary and Yahwey, But there is worshiping of 3 Gods even in the Vedas
Yajur Veda 3.60 Tryambaka we worship, sweet augmenter of prosperity…
Tryambaka is not a name of God but according to Shri Ram Acharya it includes the Gods like Vishnu, Brahma, Mahesh
Rig Veda 7.59.12 Tryambaka we worship, sweet augmenter of prosperity…
Ram Acharya states: ‘’According to Acharyas the term ‘’Tryambaka’’ means three Gods- Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh…’’
It has not yet finished the Vedas also says to pray to three more things Heaven, Earth and Agni
Rig Veda 1.112.1 To give first thought to them, I worship Heaven and Earth, and Agni, fair bright glow, to hasten their approach.
Rig Veda 10.17.7, Atharva Veda 18.1.41 The pious call Sarasvati, they worship Sarasvati while sacrifice proceedeth….
Worshiping many Gods is supported in Vedas and there are 33 Gods in the Vedas
Rig Veda 8.31.16, 8.44.6 Ne’er are ye injured, worshipper, presser of juice, or pious man. The man who, sacrificing, strives to win the heart of Deities will conquer those who worship not.
The Hindi term above is ‘’Devo’’ which is the plural for Dev which means God or Deity, Thus Worshiping multiple Gods is supported in Vedas
Aatharva Veda 19.27.10 With friendly thoughts the Deities, three-and thirty, and three great Powers preserved it in the Waters. He made heroic powers with the gold that lies upon this Moon.
Rig Veda 1.45.2 Agni, the Gods who understand give ear unto the worshipper: Lord of Red Steeds, who lovest song, bring thou those Three-and-Thirty Gods.
Rig Veda 8.30.2 Thus be ye lauded, ye destroyers of the foe, ye Three-and-Thirty Deities, The Gods of man, the Holy Ones.
There are many verses which talks about worshippers of Indra and Agni, Varuna, Visvedeva, Prana, Maruts etc etc[1], thus it is evident that they were worshiped and had worshipers, so how can few Hindu claims there is only one God in Vedas, moreover they talks about one formless God, everyone knows Purusha Sukta which says God has thousand heads, and has hands, feets, thighs, chest, eyes, mouth etc etc. So there cannot be one formless God in Vedas, As far as the verse Yajur Veda 40.8 is concerned, It’s nothing more than just a contradicting verse, if a book like Vedas written by man (mostly copied) will tend to have more contradictions and errors. Some Hindus might quote Rig Veda 1.164.46 and then say ‘’All those verses are referred to Ishwar but as the Vedas says One God is known by many names those verses refers to Ishwar only but with many other names’’ one of their objection of Bismillah is ‘’Why would Allah praise himself’’ so my counter response would be similar, Why would Ishwar worship himself?
[1] Rig Veda 1.1.6, 1.97.4, 1.57.5, 7.32.1, Atharva Veda 11.4.11, 20.135.9, Yajur Veda 22.58, 7.33
@shabeer:
Depending on the relationship between people, the same person can simultaneously be a father, son, husband, grand father, uncle, teacher, friend, enemy, employer, employee, etc. etc. etc. Does this compute?
On a different note, without taking recourse to scriptures, can you establish why nature worship, paganism or polytheism are bad?
the above post cantain full of polytheism it completly contradiction to my comments(once of god) 25763,64,65,66.
my question to all my brothers that.
what a common hindu people follow from it? adhyotham or dhyotham.
why hinduism hsan’t unity atleast the basment of religion ‘concept of god’?
@shabeer:
I asked you to show me without taking recourse to scriptures why nature worship, paganism, idol worship or polytheism are bad. Can you answer this?
It is not adhyotham or dhyotham. It is Advaita and Dvaita. Educate yourself first before trying to engage in debate. Now, Hindus dont go around proclaiming they are Advaita followers or Dvaita followers. They do not form separate countries on the basis of “Advaitic Republic of Maharashtra” or “Dvaitic Republic of Haryana”, etc. The difference between the two schools is…ahh…waste of time explaining all this to an IRF copy paste junkie like you.
THEN WHY R VEDA SAYS LIKE THAT
If one man is trustful (real believer) he knows his god is one. He (god) never been say one, two, three……he is alone and high powerful. All the things are concentrated and united belongs to him. (Adarva Veda 13:5:1 to 21)
We can’t saw the god from our naked eye. We can’t saw him as an object. (Shwethashathora Upanishath 4:20)
What is the matter we can’t understand from our sense? .but it is the source of all the power. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
What is the power we can’t saw from our naked eye? But it gives the sight to the eye. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
What is the power we can’t hear from our naked ear? But it gives the hearing to the ear. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
What is the power we can’t understand from our soul? But it gives all the power of soul. You understand that it is the Para Brahma (god).
(Keno Upanishath 1:4, 5, 6, 7).
ITS COMPLETLY CONTRADICTION TO U’R BELIVES,FROM IT WHAT A BELIVER UNDERSTAND MR.KALABAHW?
PRAY TO 33 CORES OF GODS? IS IT?
muslims should stop worshipping kaabaa,graves , and WALLS of masjids…Destroy masjids…Allah is unseen and he is in heaven experiencing orgasms….So why worshipping and bowing in front of WALLS of masjids…Allah is not present there to bow before him…:D.
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all my brothers
” i declare you have a chance to win 1 core rupees ”
game is
bring only one verses from quran that it allow the polytheism
chaleenge to all people.
can u do it?
@shabeer
That depends on how you define polytheism. For you, remembering Muhammad in prayers along with Allah is monotheism but praying One Eeshvar without reciting Muhammad’s name is polytheism
Otherwise, if logical way is chosen to judge polytheism, Islam is polytheistic religion. All the verses of Quran could not be revealed if Muhammad would have not been prophet! Moreover even if you accept all the Quranic verses divine but refuse to accept prophesy of Muhammad, your monotheism goes for a toss! So this way, you should be ready with Rs 6666 crores for all the polytheistic verses of Quran
And BTW dont forget about Satanic verses of Quran that, if taken seriously, clearly advocate polytheism. So anyway, 2 crore for me now, what say?
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misunderstanding the concept of god in islam
brother athish
go to top of this site
click discussion forum
click islam
click my thread ‘concept of god in islam’
read it carefully 2 or 3 times and come to discuss with me…………………..
@shabeer
Choose which is monotheism between two, rest will be considered polytheism. Its just simple. Both can not be true.
_____________That depends on how you define polytheism. 1. For you, remembering Muhammad in prayers along with Allah is monotheism but 2. praying One Eeshvar without reciting Muhammad’s name is polytheism :____________
@shabeer
Another gem! Have a look
[Quran 4:150,151]- Those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and WISH TO MAKE DISTINCTION BETWEEN ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGERS…. They are in truth disbelievers; and we have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment.
So if you think Allah and His prophets are different then you are preparing yourself for hell
IS this what you call monotheism? Because if this is monotheism then I will remain polytheist to my last breath INSHALLAH.
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Aatish
You are Kaffir. This is not word from God. Your quote is from man made book. I already declared any book which contain miracle stories must be treated as man made book. Do you understand. Immediately Reject the book from where you have cited the quote. Otherwise hell is waiting for you. I am Allah. You surrender yourself only to me. Never include any human in my worship.
oh what a miracle discovery?
brother i send this sentance with the apllication of nobel price to authority of nebel price .may be u got nobel next year.
1) what the orginal verses?
Indeed, those who “”disbelieve”" in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, “We believe in some and disbelieve in others,” and wish to adopt a way in between.Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.(holy quran 4:150,151)
any word here to says worship to u’r prophet?
who r u teach english ?
i think u/him had mistaken the difrrece between the word “worship” and “belive”
whats my question?
if islam and quran promote to worship any things other than allha?
time is there,try it ,but not commic like this……………………….
2) according to islamic theory,a verses explain,what r the situation it reveled.
the above verses indicate during the period of prophet(s.a),the people of makha never belive the prophet(sa),at the same time they belive allah.so god critizise them says (“discriminate between Allah and His messengers “).the verses indicate belive not for worship never
@Shabeer
____________people of makha never belive the prophet(sa),at the same time they belive allah.so god critizise them says (“discriminate between Allah and His messengers “).the verses indicate belive not for worship never______________
Allah ordered to only people of Makha why not others ? Why did Allah not order to people of USA, India, China to believe in Mohamad that time. That means Kuran only for the people of Makha. I think if allah wanted people of China, India believe in Mohamad he would have come to China & India to give them order to believe in Mohamd. But Allah never came in India & China to order to the people of there to believe in Mohamad.
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Allah introduce prophet Muhammad(sa) to all mankind between ad year 610 to end of day.before him he send different prophet send to different region for bring back the people to their eternal salvation.prophet Muhammad(sa) god introduce to all people.
@shabeer Allah said
4:129 that you guys can NEVER treat two wives with equality. Is Allah wrong?
how many time i answered it?
what the topic we discussion here,polygamy?
@truth seeker
first post verses completly,
And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging. And if you amend [your affairs] and fear Allah – then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.(holy quran4:129)
this is god advice to beliver that,if we marry more than two wife’s,we must keep the equality between them.why r u cut the second sentance fron the quran,it cantaned u’r answer.’do not incline completely(towards one)’.
how to this sentance prophet and his follower(when the verses came,they divorce their wife?,is it happend?)
no,from the verses on wards they keep equality between their wife’s strognly.
@Shabeer
_____________this is god advice to beliver that,if we marry more than two wife’s,we must keep the equality between them_______
But Allah says
4:129 that you guys can NEVER treat two wives with equality. Is Allah wrong? (Contradiction in Kuran)
अल्लाह का भी अल्लाह है !?
किसी काम के होने के बारे में ,यदि कोई आपसे यह कहे कि ,राम कहते है ,यदि राम की कृपा हो जाए ,ईसा मसीह कहते हैं ,यदि ईसा मसीह की अनुकम्पा हो ,और खुद इश्वर कहता है ,ईश्वर की इच्छा हो ,तो यह काम हो सकता .तो आपको उस व्यक्ति की यह बातें उसी तरह मूर्खता पूर्ण लगेंगी ,जैसे कोई यह कहे की मैं अपने ही कन्धों पर बैठता हूँ .
लेकिन जब आपको बताया जाये कि अल्लाह खुद कहता है “यदि अल्लाह चाहे (إن شاء الله” (अरबी में “इंशा अल्लाह ) तो सोचेंगे कि अल्लाह “मैं चाहूँ “की जगह यदि अल्लाह चाहे क्यों कह रहा है .फिर दूसरा अल्लाह कौन है ?
इस पहेली को हल करने के लिए आपको पहले इस्लाम में अल्लाह और कुरान के बारे में जो मान्यताएं है ,उनकी जानकारी देना जरूरी है .मुसलमान कुरान को अल्लाह के वचन मानते हैं ,जिसमे कोई परिवर्तन नहीं हुआ है ,और न होगा .इस विषय को स्पष्ट करने के लिए आपको कुरान से हवाले दिए जा रहे हैं .फिर लेख पढ़ने के बाद निर्णय आपको करना होगा .देखिये -
1-कुरान अल्लाह की वाणी है
अल्लाह खुद कुरान को अपना उपदेश ,अपना कथन कहता है ,बल्कि एक एक शब्द अपने द्वारा कहा हुआ बताता है ,जैसे
“हे लोगो तुम्हारे पास यह अल्लाह का उपदेश ( कुरान )आगया है ” सूरा-यूनुस 10 :57
“यह मानव के लिए अल्लाह का साफ साफ आदेश है ,और इसलिए भेजा गया है की इस से लोगों को सचेत किया जाये “सूरा .इब्राहिम 13 :52 ”
“यह अलह की सर्वोत्तम बातें हैं ,जिसके सभी हिस्से आपस में परस्पर मिले हुए हैं ,और बार बार दुहराए गए हैं “सूरा -अज जुमुर 39 :23
2 -कुरान कितने लोगों पर उतरा गया था ?
मुसलमान यह दावा करते है कि अल्लाह ने कुरान सिर्फ मुहम्मद के ऊपर ही नाजिल की थी .लेकिन हम दी गयी आयत को ध्यान से पढ़ें तो ,पता चलता है कि .अल्लाह ने कुरान को कई लोगों पर नाजिल किया था .देखिये
“वह अत्यंत बरकत वाला है ,जिसने यह फुरकान (कुरान ) अपने बन्दों पर उतारा है ,ताकि वह संसार के लिए सचेत वाला हो ”
सूरा -फुरकान .25 :1
3 -अल्लाह कौनसे अल्लाह की तारीफ करने को कहता है .
कुरान में अल्लाह अक्सर ” मेरी “की जगह “उस “अल्लाह की तारीफ करने को कहता है ,ऐसा लगता है जैसे कोई दूसरा भी अल्लाह है .देखिये
“प्रशंसा तो “उस “अल्लाह के लिए है “जो ” हर चीज का मालिक है ,जो आसमान और जमीन में है “सूरा -सबा 34 :1
“प्रशंसा “उस “अल्लाह के लिए है…
@truthseeker
what a miracle contradiction my friend discover from quran?,a average sensual person can understand,what the verses indicate from it.
i ask u a common sensual questions,
” u never keep the equality[as a feeling] between u’r children,so u never inclined towards one of them,u must keep equality between them ”
what a common people understand from it?
is more than two children is a sinned things? is it?
this is against the word permitting more than two children? is it?
i think u has some biggest problem how to understand a sentence.
@shabeer
First of All, think my dear friend Allah made one Eve for Aadam. If Allah wants many wives of Aadam he would have made many eves. But Allah made only one Eve. That means Allah always wants we should practice monogamy in our life. Allah never wants polygamy. This quote of your “we must keep equality among wives” rejected by this logic. Polygamy & Polyandry both are nonsense/immoral practice in society & against Veda.
क्या ऐसा अल्लाह भी ,ईश्वर हो सकता है .इसे गौर से पढ़िए -
1-अल्लाह ने जन्नत उँगलियों पर उठा रखी है
Allah is holding the earth and heaven on his fingers
हमारा ईमान है कि अल्लाह लोगों के बीच में उनके दिल आपस में बदलता रहता है .और अपनी एक उंगली से प्रथ्वी को और दूसरी से स्वर्ग को उठाये रखता है .
We read in Al-Tauhfa al-Madania by Hamad bin Nassir al-Mu’amar, page 131:
وندين أن الله تعالى مقلب القلوب وأن القلوب بين إصبعين من أصابعه وأنه يضع السموات على أصبع والأرضين على أصبع
“We believe that Allah almighty changes the hearts and the hearts are between two of his (Allah) fingers and he put the heavens on a finger and the earth on another finger”
2-अल्लाह मच्छर पर सवारी करता है
Allah travel over a mosquito
पता चला कि जब फ़रिश्ते उस तख़्त को उठाने में नाकाम हो गए ,जिस पर अल्लाह अपनी शानो शौकत से बैठता है ,तो उन्होंने झुक कर कहा इस भारी तख़्त को जमीन से उठाकर स्वर्ग तक लेजाने की ताकत हमारे अन्दर नहीं ,और सिवाय अल्लाह के कोई दूसरा इसे नहीं उठा सकता .तब अल्लाह एक मच्छर पर सवार हो गया ,जो उसे तख़्त के साथ उठाकर सातों आसमानों तक घुमाकर ले गया .तख़्त कितना भारी होगा
Imam Darami records in his book Aqa’id al-Salaf, page 443:
وقد بلغنا أنـهم -الملائكة- حين حملوا العرش وفــوقــه الجــبار في عزته وبـهائه ، ضعفوا عن حمله واستكانوا وحنوا على ركبهم حتى لقنوا ( لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله ) فاستقلوا به بقدرة الله وإرادته ، ولولا ذلك ما استقل به العرش ، ولا الحملة ولا السماوات ولا الأرض ولا من فيهن . ولو قد شاء لاستقر على ظهر بعوضة فاستقلت به بقدرته ولطف ربوبيته ، فكيف على عرش عظيم أكبر من السماوات السبع ؟
“It has reached us that when the Angels lifted the throne while the almighty is on top of it in his might and glory, they were weak in lifting it, and they rested and bent onto their knees until they said (there is no might or power except with Allah) but they lifted it with His power and will, and if it wasn’t for it (His power and will), it would not have been possible for the throne, or those that carry it or the skies or the earth or whoever is inside it. And if he so…
3-अल्लाह को मोटापे की बीमारी है
Allah suffers from weight gain
खालिद बिन मदान ने कहा जब से दुनिया बनी है,तख़्त पर अल्लाह का वजन बढ़ता जा रहा है .और उसे मोटापे की बीमारी हो गयी है
We read in Al-Sunnah by Abdullah Ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, page 161:
خالد بن معدان انه كان يقول أن الرحمن ليثقل على حملة العرش من أول النهار
Khalid bin Madaan said: ‘Allah’s weight becomes heavy on the throne in the beginning of the day’
4-अल्लाह जहन्नम में रह चुका है
Allah is in hell
रसूल ने कहा कि जब लोगों को जहन्नम की आग में झोंका जायेगा तो ,आग कहेगी क्या अभी और लोग भी आने वाले हैं .लेकिन जब अल्लाह जैसे ही अपना पैर उस जहन्नम की आग में रखेगा तो वह कहेगी बस ,बस ,काफी हो गया .
( उस दिन जहन्नम से पूछा कि क्या तू भर गयी है ?वह बोली अभी कुछ और लोग चाहिए .कुरआन .सूरा -काफ 50 :30 )
We read in Sahih Bukhari that the Prophet (saws) said:
” “سيتم يكب الناس في النار (جهنم)، وسوف يقول :” هل هناك أي أكثر (في المستقبل(50:30) حتى يضع الله قدمه عليها، وسوف يقول “القات القات!” (كفى! كى!) ” ”
“The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say: ‘Are there any more (to come)?(50:30) till Allah puts his foot over it and it will say ‘Qat! Qat!” (Enough! Enough!)”
Sahih Bukhari Arabic-English Volume 6 hadith number 371 translated by Dr Muhsin Khan
5-अल्लाह चकित हो जाता है
Allah wonders
आश्चर्यचकित होजाना अल्लाह की विशेषता है ,जो कुरान और हदीसों से साबित है.
We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 58:
التَّعَجُّبُ صفةٌ فعليَّةٌ خبريَّةٌ ثابتةٌ لله عَزَّ وجَلَّ بالكتاب والسنة.
“Wondering is a quality of Allah proven by Quran and Sunnah”
6-अल्लाह को शर्म आती है
Allah possesses shy qualities
शर्मा जाना (लज्जित होजाना )अल्लाह की विशेषता है ,जो कुरान और हदीसों से साबित है
We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 86:
الْحَيَاءُ وَالاسْتِحْيَاءُ صفةٌ خبريَّةٌ ثابتةٌ لله عَزَّ وجَلَّ بالكتاب والسنة
“Shyness is a quality of Allah proven by the Quran and Sunnah”.
7-अल्लाह एक वस्तु और एक व्यक्ति है
Allah is a ‘thing’ and a…
Allah wonders
आश्चर्यचकित होजाना अल्लाह की विशेषता है ,जो कुरान और हदीसों से साबित है.
We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 58:
التَّعَجُّبُ صفةٌ فعليَّةٌ خبريَّةٌ ثابتةٌ لله عَزَّ وجَلَّ بالكتاب والسنة.
“Wondering is a quality of Allah proven by Quran and Sunnah”
6-अल्लाह को शर्म आती है
Allah possesses shy qualities
शर्मा जाना (लज्जित होजाना )अल्लाह की विशेषता है ,जो कुरान और हदीसों से साबित है
We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 86:
الْحَيَاءُ وَالاسْتِحْيَاءُ صفةٌ خبريَّةٌ ثابتةٌ لله عَزَّ وجَلَّ بالكتاب والسنة
“Shyness is a quality of Allah proven by the Quran and Sunnah”.
7-अल्लाह एक वस्तु और एक व्यक्ति है
Allah is a ‘thing’ and a ‘person’
अल्लाह को व्यक्ति या “शख्स “कहने की अनुमति है .
We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 125:
يجوز إطلاق لفظة (شخص) على الله عَزَّ وجَلَّ
“It is permissible to use the word (person) for Allah almighty”
अल्लाह को एक चीज “शय “कहने की अनुमति है ,यह अल्लाह का गुण है
On page 130, we read:
يصح إطلاق لفظة (شيء) على الله عَزَّ وجَلَّ
“It is permissible to use the word (a thing) to qualify Allah almighty.”
8-अल्लाह हरेक बुराई की जड़ है
Allah is the root source of acts of polytheism, fornication and homosexuality
इमाम अबू हनीफा ने अपनी मसनद में लिखा है कि फ़रिश्ते ,नबी ,किताबें अच्छाइयां और बुराइयां सब अल्लाह भेजता है .और शिर्क ,व्यभिचार और समलैंगिकता की जड़ अल्लाह ही है .
In the recognized Ahl’ul Sunnah work Musnad Abu Hanifa, page 152 we read:
الإيمان بالله وملائكته وكتبه ورسله والقدر خيره وشره من الله
“Iman is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, qadr, the good and the evil is all from Allah”
Musnad Abu Hanifa, page 152
इब्ने उमर ने कहा ,एक आदमी अबू बकर के पास गया और बोला ,क्या आप मानते हैं की व्यभिचार भी अल्लाह के आदेश से होता है .अबूबकर ने कहा ,हाँ ,तब वह बोला अब मैं देखता हूँ कि तुम मुझे सजा क्यों देते हो .अबू बकर ने कहा खेना के बेटे एक आदमी मेरे साथ है ,जो तेरी नाक तोड़ देगा .
Similarly Allamah…
INDIA’S FIRST EDUCATION MINISTER WAS A WAHABI MAULANA (Maulana abul kalam azad) WHO INJECTED MUSLIM FANTASIES IN INDIAN EDUCATION SYSTEM LIKE BABUR GIVING HIS LIFE AS BONUS TO HUMAYUN, MUSLIMS INVADERS CONQUERING INDIA WITHOUT MUCH STRUGGLE AND IMPOSITION OF SECULARISM ONLY ON HINDUS.
Maulana abul kalam azad was wahabi of afghan origin and greatly influenced by SHAH WALI ULLAH’S POLITICAL THOUGHT i.e Muslims should get all the benefits and Hindus should be secondary citizen living as slaves to muslims. SHAH WALI ULLAH was the TRAITOR who invited ABDALI from Afghanistan to attack India and make Hindus as slaves of Muslim (LOL Indian Muslim patriotism).
SO FROM THE DAY OF INDEPENDENCE THERE WAS A GREAT CONSPIRACY GOING ON TO MAKE HINDUS SECONDARY CITIZEN AND MAKING MUSLIMS THE LANDLORDS OF INDIA.
http://www.saag.org/common/uploaded_files/paper629.html
again job is to defend SD, attacking other faiths is not what we should do, as Sanatan Dharma teaches there are many paths to God.
Sanatan Dharma there is only one god, but many manifestations:
http://www.satyavidya.org/component/content/article/53-vedic-vitamins/126-there-is-only-one-god
“All doubts about the correctness of the unequivocal statement that the Vedas uphold only monotheism and not Polytheism are set at rest when we consider
Yo na pitah janitha vidhata dhamani veda bhuvanani vishwa|
Yo devaanam namadha yeka yeva tam samprashnam bhuvanam yantyanya||
Rigveda 10.82.3
All these several worlds, find ultimate refuge, in that curiosity-provoking, thought –arousing Lord who is our father and creator, who is , the maker of sacred injunctions and Knows all the abodes and worlds and finally who is only one assuming the names of different divinities.
Vedas describe only One God at all places. The advice is He alone should be praised and worshipped. He alone is the emperor of the Universe.
Yekho Vishwasya bhuvanasya rajah Rig-Veda 6.36.4
The Lord of the entire universe is one and one only.
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I agreed, but do you believe that immoral acts(like pedophilia, murder, loot, rape, slavery, incest, killing of Apostates, sacrificing animals..etc etc ) will lead you to the God?
Didn’t exposing and fighting against those barbaric cults is an essential part of SD?
@shabeer:
ITS COMPLETLY CONTRADICTION TO U’R BELIVES,FROM IT WHAT A BELIVER UNDERSTAND MR.KALABAHW?
I asked you to establish what is wrong with idol worship, polytheism, atheism, paganism, nature worship, etc. this without taking recourse to scriptures. You couldnt. So, the question is still open to be answered by other Momins. I have lost hope in you because of the multiple attempts I have given you and your stubborn refusal to use these to swing the argument in your favour.
Now, regarding these quotations from the Scriptures, keep in mind that what they are saying is that the ultimate reality is ONE BRAHMAN. It is the sole independent entity in existence. Every thing else is either super imposed on it OR is dependent on it. So, the only absolute ultimate reality is Brahman. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
All of the Upanishads, Gita, Brahmasutras and the Vedas point out this truth alone.
And stop deluding yourself that the one God mentioned in the Upanishads is Allah. Allah is a tyrranical hater monger. Brahman is full of bliss and doesnt need to test souls arbitrarily.
@kalabw
broth detail description requred
go to top of this site
click discussion forum
click islam
click my thread ‘concept of og in islam’(it include some problem of polythesm)
read it carefully 2 or 3 times and come to discuss with me…………………..
@shabeer:
Read commentary of Upanishads/Brahmasutras/Gita by either Shankaracharya, Madhavacharya or Ramanuja. Understand them first and if there are doubts post questions here. All details reside there. Sorry, cant educate you over the internet. You need to put in some effort on your own too.
Indian Institute Of Scientific Heritage(iish.org) is an organization formed by Dr.S.Radhkrishnan who is a scientist…its aim is to make every indian proud of our culture and learn it scientifically…….
He has made a great lecture on texts of hinduism…
He said divide hindu texts into 3..
1)Ethihasas – learn and practice the moral from these stories
2)Purnas – These are experience of other people…Learn them and try not to make such mistaked
3)Vedas – learn direct messages from it………..
An excellent and an insightful article! It cleared some of my doubts regarding the inconsistencies between the Hindu Religion and the Hindu Mythology. Also, after going through this article I clearly understood why the people of the totalitarian ideologies always aimed at the political conquests to spread their religion. We all or at least some of us Indians know that the Congress party is nothing but a continuation of the half-bred Mughal dynasty. When Rajiv married Maino it has even became one representation of two deadly totalitarian ideologies who’s primary focus is to debase the Indians off their culture and make them morally corrupt and make them hate their own religion and then sell their product!
What else is the best way to achieve this than gaining the political power and controlling the Media, the Education Policies! This is not an invention of Congress party but its just a continuation of the policies of the totalitarians who ruled our country for so many years. For example, the 2002 gujarat violence became all important to the media than the Jihad in Kashmir or the 1984 anti-Sikh riots. Syed Sha Geelani, a fanatic leader in Kashmir used to openly give a call to muslims to reject the concept of secularism and follow only the strict Islam during the Jihadi days. No media has reported this. He is still respected by the Indian media and the so called educated people, who were educated follow secularism only if they are Hindus. If the Congress party is so successful in its campaign against the indigenous culture even in the democratic environment just think how successful the Islamic Ghazis who ruled India like dictators at the times when democracy was unheard of and there was absolutely no transparency in their regimes! How tactfully the British must have manipulated the remaining Indian culture, the history and its religion to suit their needs!
Really the task that the people like Agniveer have taken are praiseworthy. It certainly can spread awareness among the…
@Agniveer
Are Yam & Niyam (Non-violence, Patience, Forgiving, Self-control, Non-Stealing, Purity, Control of Sense and Work organs, Intellect, Knowledge seeking, Truthfulness, Non-Anger) part of Yog & compulsory to follow to realize God.
Yes Brother Truth Seeker
Vajra recently posted..Islamic Imperialism in India
Can all the Momin and Xian vultures answer what the Father couldnt?
Brother KB
I hope for the day when Muslims in Saudi etc can raise this question on their TV channels with such ease without fearing any Shariyah or hell.
@Bro Vajra:
Yes, it will be a fresh new start to world civilization if such conversations can happen without fear in Saudi Arabia. Here’s hoping it will happen in our lifetimes. But the Momins sometimes seem beyond redemption that it may be a futile hope.
In any case, we should continue to expose the “eternal hellfire for you infidel kufrs” hate speakers. A good start would be to ban the Quran from India. Make every Momin read the Satanic Verses instead of the Quran in every mosque.