मौत और ज़िन्दगी है दुनिया का सब तमाशा,
फरमान कृष्ण का था, अर्जुन को बीच रन में|
– अशफाक

Scene 1:

A youth was lying semi-conscious on floor uttering only ‘Hey Ram’, ‘Hey Ram’ after a stroke. People gathered around trying to revive him wondering why a devout worshipper of Allah was uttering name of Ram in such a stage! One of his friends knew the mystery and immediately brought his ‘Ram’ on scene. Only then did the young man obtain some peace and got back to life. Such was his love for Ram Prasad Bismil – the legendary mentor of a whole generation of patriotic revolutionaries. The young man was none other than Bismil’s alter-ego Ashfaqullah Khan.

Scene 2:

A gang of fanatics entered Arya Samaj, Shajhahanpur to kill Bismil. Ashfaqullah was also there. Immediately he stood up and took the leader of the gang at gun-point. He threatened to kill him if they did not go back. He said – To bring damage to Bismil, you will have to first kill me.

Scene 3:

Ram Prasad Bismil was a devout Hindu. Ashfaq was from a conservative Muslim family. But Ashfaq was resolved to win trust and heart of Bismil. Bismil did avoid him in beginning but that could not deter Ashfaq. He knew that true worship of Allah exists only in Vedas. And for Ashfaq, that road to Vedic worship passed through Bismil – the tejasvi Brahmchari who epitomized Tawheed.

Eventually they became so close that they used to eat from same plate and Ashfaq spent more time with Bismil than his own home. Who bothers about religions when friendship is built on basis of patriotism! The two legends together, in a way, shaped the destiny of future freedom movement.

Scene 4:

After being captured, a policeman asked Ashfaq – “Why are you working with Hindus to bring down British Empire? After all you are a Muslim.” Ashfaq replied promptly:

“Because Hindu Rashtra would be way better than British Empire!”

These are not scenes from a fictitious film but true incidents from life of one of the greatest patriots to have taken birth – Ashfaqullah Khan. While the world may have forgotten him and even Muslim leaders desist from highlighting this freedom fighter, he remains our role model.

He was the first Muslim to willingly sacrifice his life at the gallows for sake of motherland. All at a tender age of 27. He writes that he was proud to be the first Muslim to do so and be first Muslim in his generations to serve the motherland.

It is time that our Muslim community gives birth to many such Ashfaqs and Hindu community gives birth to many Bismils who work together with them.

– He promised his mentor Ram Prasad Bismil to live and die with him. Eventually that became true and both great legends were hanged within a day on December 18 and 19, 1927.

– He was a true icon of Hindu-Muslim solidarity. His religion never forced him to curse an Arya Samaji – a critic of Islam – to eternal Hell. On contrary, the truthfulness and high character of Bismil made him consider Bismil as his role model and elder brother, much more dearer than his own family.

The great hero however had a very disappointing end. He was eventually captured by British because a Pathan befriended him in name of same ideology, and then informed police out of greed.

Today most Muslim organizations and leaders shy away from taking even his name. Zakir Naik will never praise Ashfaq for his sacrifice and patriotism. On contrary these perverts would believe that he might deserve Hell for doing the Shirk of writing poems on having soil of motherland even in grave, or being more closer to Arya Samaj than the mosque.

These fake leaders and representatives of Islam are acting like the treacherous Pathans for the Ashfaqs among the Muslim population. And thus Ashfaquallah Khan – one of the greatest patriots ever born in this country – is a forgotten name.

We wish that instead of terrorists like Joker Naik, such great legends like Ashfaq become the role models for Muslim youth. Agniveer is committed to revive the era of Ashfaq and Bismil and work among our Muslim brothers and sisters to nurture many more Ashfaqs that not only make Muslim community but entire humanity proud. And also expose the frauds who want to cheat Ashfaqs of today for their petty greed.

For Agniveer, such jewels like Ashfaq are true Hindus and true Muslims who exemplify by noble deeds. We don’t care about theological beliefs on unknown.

Our humblest salute to the legacy of legendary Ashfaq – a true Arya.

Vande Mataram!

Some great thoughts of Ashfaq:

कुछ आरजू नहीं है, है आरजू तो यह
रख दे कोई ज़रा सी खाके वतन कफ़न में|
ए पुख्तकार उल्फत हुसियार, डिग ना जाना,
मराज आशकां है इस दार और रसन में|
मौत और ज़िन्दगी है दुनिया का सब तमाशा,
फरमान कृष्ण का था, अर्जुन को बीच रन में|

– Ashfaq considered Krishna as his role model.

– Is this the reason why Ashfaq is not highlighted by representatives of Islam like Zakir Naik?

न कोई इंग्लिश है न कोई जर्मन,
न  कोई रशियन है न कोई तुर्की|
मिटाने वाले हैं अपने हिंदी,
जो आज हमको मिटा रहे हैं||

– Again it is evident that Ashfaq considered English, Turks etc as foreigners and wanted to live, die and complain only for natives of the motherland.

बुजदिलो को ही सदा मौत से डरते देखा,
गो कि सौ बार उन्हें रोज़ ही मरते देखा|
मौत से वीर को हमने नहीं डरते देखा,
मौत को एक बार जब आना है तो डरना क्या है,
हम सदा खेल ही समझा किये, मरना क्या है|
वतन हमेशा रहे शादकाम और आज़ाद,
हमारा क्या है, अगर हम रहे, रहे न रहे||

– What could depict greater love for beloved motherland! Hats off to the great poet cum patriot! May my motherland give birth to many such Ashfaqs.

For more details, refer:

1. Autobiography of Bismil

2. Biography of Ashfaqullah Khan

3. Google Book

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  • @ Boota

    We are here to unite and not to divide people. It was the Islamic invaders(Arab,Turk, Mughal), who divided this sub-continent in two warring communities- Hindu and Muslim. Before them all were followers of Dharma (Sanatan Dharma, Buddha Dharma, Jain Dharma). They co-existed for over one thousand years without any bloodshed. Rarely any religious war took place before the arrival of these barbaric invaders.

    Only traitors like you who enjoys the resources of this country but praises Arab and Turk invaders, can speak like this.

  • न थका हु न थाकुंगा
    , रुख दरिया का भी मोड़ दूंगा,
    मै सूरज हु युही दमकता रहूँगा,
    जब तक जान है इस एहले-चिराग
    में,पर्वतों की ऊंचाई को नापता चलूँगा

    • i see as i know abar moved away from mainstream islam to create a religion based on sufi thought to bring hindus and muslims together and he was probably the only tolerant muslim king until the british came and because of jains he became vegetarian

      • Sufis were not better. You are confusing mysticism with tolerance. It is not the case. Sufis destroyed temples, pushing jizya tax etc… Here in their own words in their own writing you see how the Sufis were destroyers.

        “….Sheikh Jalaluddin Tabrizi (AH 533-623) was the second most famous disciple of Sheikh Shihabuddin Suhrawardi (AD 1145-1235), founder of the Suhrawardiyya silsila of Sufism. Having lived in Multan, Delhi and Badaun, he finally settled down in Lakhanauti, also known as Gaur, in Bengal.

        Devatala (Bengal) “Shaikh Jalaluddin had many disciples in Bengal. He first lived at Lakhnauti, constructed a khanqah and attached a langar to it. He also bought some gardens and land to be attached to the monastery. He moved to Devatalla (Deva Mahal) near Pandua in northern Bengal. There a kafir (either a Hindu or a Buddhist) had erected a large temple and a well. The Shaikh demolished the temple and constructed a takiya (khanqah) and converted a large number of kafirs… Devatalla came to be known as Tabrizabad and attracted a large number of pilgrims.”
        [S.A.A. Rizvi: A History of Sufism in India. Vol. I, New Delhi, 1978]

        Tarikh-i-Kashmir was written by Haidar Malik Chadurah, was a Kashmiri aristocrat in the service of Sultan Yusuf Shah (AD 1579-1586) and purports to give the history of Kashmir. Earlier portions are based on Kalhana’s Rajatarangini with some additions in the later period. It was begun in AD 1618 and finished sometime after 1620-21.

        Sufi Mir Shamsuddin Iraqi of Kashmir was a sufi of the Kubrawiyya sect who came to Kashmir first in AD 1481, next in AD 1501, and finally in 1505 in the reign of Sultan Fath Shah. He found it convenient to work as a member of the Nr Bakhsh Sufi sect. His doings are “anticipated” in the Tarikh-i-Kashmir as follows:

        “…Baba Uchah Ganai went for circumambulation of the two harms (Mecca and Medina)… in search of the perfect guide (Pir-i-Kamil). He prayed to God (to help) him when he heard a voice from the unknown that the ‘perfect guide’ was in Kashmir himself… Hazrat Shaikh, Baba Uchah Ganai… returned to Kashmir… All of a sudden his eyes fell upon a place of worship, the temples of the Hindus. He smiled; when the devotees asked the cause of (his smile) he replied that the destruction and demolition of these places of worship and the destruction of the idols will take place at the hand of the high horn Sheikh Shams-ud-Din Irraqi. He will soon be coming from Iraq and shall turn the temples completely desolate, and most of the misled people will accept the path of guidance and Islam… So as was ordained Sheikh Shams-ud-Din reached Kashmir. He began destroying the places of worship and the temples of the Hindus and made an effort to achieve the objectives.” [Tarikh-Kashmir, edited and translated into English by Razia Bano, Delhi, 1991, pp. l02-03. ]

        Siyar al-Aqtab was completed in AD 1647 by Allah Diya Chishti and deals with many miracles performed by the Sufis, particularly of the Sabriyya branch of the Chishtiyya silsila….” read the rest here http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-4-sufis/

      • Read more about uncamoflaged intolerant Sufis from the writings of the Sufis and Muslims themselves here

        “…Since that time, while researching my forthcoming book, The Legacy of Jihad, I have discovered that there are many other influential Sufis who shared, and who share today, these bigoted views. Sufi intolerance is clear from, most importantly, never-before-published translations of the great Sufi Al-Ghazali himself, as well as from statements by an important contemporary Shi’ite Sufi ideologue, Sultanhussein Tabandeh….” http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/02/bostom-sufism-without-camouflage-beyond-stephen-schwartz.html

        This is the writing of the Sufi Al-Ghazali “…[O]ne must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – primarily Jews and Christians] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…

        [T]he dhimmi is obliged not to mention Allah or His Apostle…Jews, Christians, and Majians must pay the jizya [poll tax on non-Muslims]…on offering up the jizya, the dhimmi must hang his head while the official takes hold of his beard and hits [the dhimmi] on the protruberant bone beneath his ear [i.e., the mandible]… They are not permitted to ostentatiously display their wine or church bells…their houses may not be higher than the Muslim’s, no matter how low that is. The dhimmi may not ride an elegant horse or mule; he may ride a donkey only if the saddle[-work] is of wood. He may not walk on the good part of the road. They [the dhimmis] have to wear [an identifying] patch [on their clothing], even women, and even in the [public] baths…[dhimmis] must hold their tongue…. [2] (From the Wagjiz, written in 1101 A.D. Emphasis added.)…”

      • Far from following Sufis, Akbar instead incurred Sufi anger for not subjugating Hindus they way Sufis demanded the way islam demands of infidels. Mysticism is NOT the same as tolerance. More on Sufi intolerance in history.

        “… Yet in his own words he glorified how Islamic hordes had despoiled India , sacking the infidel Hindu shrines for the glory of the true faith, saturated the land with the blood of idol-worshippers, and jizya imposed. Khusro lamented that the sultans had adopted the Hanafi code because it allowed them to categorise Hindus as dhimmis; which meant a third-class existence as opposed to outright extermination. The Sufi preacher Sayyid Ali Hamdani came from Hamdan in fourteenth century to Kasmir where after making converts made moved to stop Hindus building temples and restrict their religious practices as they were forced into dhimmi status, including payment of jizya.

        Sufis fully supported the oppression and often forcible conversion of Hindus to Islam, accepting the gifts of adolescent boys and young women to their khanqahs and dargahs. …

        … His grandson Akbar is often portrayed as a tolerant ruler. Yet it was Akbar who made an annual pilgrimage to the Dargah of Muin-ud-din Chishti at Ajmer as he believed it was through the blessings of the Chishti saint through which he begot a son. Yet Muin-ud-din was of course the foremost symbol of Islam’s ceaseless war on Hinduism. Akbar was however more pragmatic than most which explains practical steps to involve powerful Hindu groups such as the Rajputs into becoming pillars for Mughal rule, such as abolishing the jizya poll tax. This of course earned the wrath of many, including the Sufis….” http://conservativepapers.com/news/2012/03/19/beauty-and-the-beast-of-sufism/

  • he was on of the few muslims we indians can respect others being are abdul kalam,abul kalam azad,akbar the great was probably the most tolerant muslim king

  • Bismil and Ashfaque did splendid job for unity, but Arya Samaj is ruining their good work done. Don’t misuse to drive home your ideology. Anything, anyone wants to propagate, should propagate on the merit of that thing. Alas! Arya Samaj is trying advance their agenda on hatred. It is shameful.

  • की मेरे लिए एक हिन्दू राष्ट्र अंग्रेजी हुकूमत से कहीं ज्यादा अच्छी हैं.वह मुस्लिम थानेदार मायूस होकर चला गया पर इस्लाम की दुहाई देकर उन्हें सरकारी गवाह नहीं बना सका.

    धन्य हैं वह माँ जिनकी कोख से अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जैसे शहीद पैदा हुए जिनके लिए मत से ऊपर उनका देश था. आज के मुसलमानों के लिए अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान सबसे आदरणीय एवं अनुसरणीय मुसलमान हैं क्यूंकि उन्होंने देश को अंग्रेजों से आजाद करवाने में अपनी शक्ति लगाई नाकि पाकिस्तान को बनाने में.

    अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान की शायरी उनके सच्चे मुस्लमान होने का सबूत हैं जिसमे उनकी इच्छा जन्नत की नहीं अपितु बार बार जन्म लेकर इस देश की सेवा करने की हैं.

    “जाऊँगा खाली हाथ मगर ये दर्द साथ ही जायेगा, जाने किस दिन हिन्दोस्तान आज़ाद वतन कहलायेगा?
    बिस्मिल हिन्दू हैं कहते हैं “फिर आऊँगा,फिर आऊँगा,फिर आकर के ऐ भारत माँ तुझको आज़ाद कराऊँगा”.

    जी करता है मैं भी कह दूँ पर मजहब से बंध जाता हूँ,मैं मुसलमान हूँ पुनर्जन्म की बात नहीं कर पाता हूँ;
    हाँ खुदा अगर मिल गया कहीं अपनी झोली फैला दूँगा, और जन्नत के बदले उससे यक पुनर्जन्म ही माँगूंगा.”

    आज शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान के जन्म दिवस पर हम ईश्वर से यहीं प्रार्थना करते हैं की देश के लाखों मुस्लमान युवक उन्हें अपना आदर्श मानकर देश की सेवा करे.

  • शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान

    शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान के जन्म दिवस पर स्मरण विशेष

    (22 October 1900 – 19 December 1927)

    भारतीय स्वतंत्र संग्राम में अंग्रेजी सरकार की रातों की नींद उड़ाने वाला स्वर्णिम अध्याय था काकोरी रेल कांड. रातों रात आज़ादी के दीवानों ने अपने आन्दोलन को गति देने के लिए धन की आवश्यकता की पूर्ती के लिए काकोरी रेलवे स्टेशन से चली ट्रेन में डाका दाल कर न केवल सरकारी खजाना लूट लिया बल्कि सोई हुई अंग्रेजी सरकार को उनकी नाक के नीचे खुली चुनोती दे डाली. इस आन्दोलन के मुखिया थे शहीद राम प्रसाद बिस्मिल और उनकी अगुवाई में वीर चंदेर्शेखर आजाद और वीर अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जैसे क्रन्तिकारी थे.बिस्मिल जी और अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला जी गहरे दोस्त थे. एक थे सत्यार्थ प्रकाश पढ़ कर आर्य बने ,ब्रहमचर्य व्रत का पालन करने वाले, सुबह शाम संध्या उपासना हवन करने वाले आर्यसमाजी बिस्मिल जी और दूसरी तरफ थे पांच वक्त के नमाज़ी कट्टर मुस्लमान अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जी. दोनों उर्दू के अच्छे शायर थे, क्रांतिकारी थे पर धार्मिक मान्यता से विभिन्न होते हुए भी दो शरीर और एक प्राण के समान थे.

    veer ashfakullah khan in jail

    शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान के जीवन की कुछ प्रेरणादायक घटनाये

    एक बार शहीद अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान किसी कारन से बेहोश हो गए तो बेहोशी की हालत में राम राम पुकारने लगे. उनके घर वाले अचरज में आकार सोचने लगे की एक मुस्लमान होते हुए भी वे राम राम क्यूँ पुकार रहे हैं. पास खड़ा एक मित्र इस रहस्य को समझ गया और राम प्रसाद बिस्मिल जी को बुला लाया जिनके आने से अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला जी शांत हो गए. ऐसे थी दोनों की मित्रता जो मत मतान्तर के आपसी भेदभाव से कहीं ऊपर उठ कर थी.

    एक बार कानपूर आर्यसमाज में बिस्मिल जी और अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जी कुछ मंत्रणा कर रहे थे की कुछ मुस्लिम दंगाइयों ने वहां हमला कर दिया. अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जी ने अपनी पिस्तोल निकल कर उनकी तरफ करके चेतावनी देकर कहा की रूक जाओ यह आर्यसमाज मेरा घर हैं अगर इसकी एक ईट को भी नुकसान पंहुचा तो आज तुम में से कोई जिन्दा नहीं बचेगा.दंगाई डर कर वापिस भाग गए.

    जब जेल में अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान और बिस्मिल जी बंद थे तो एक मुस्लिम थानेदार ने अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला जी को इस्लाम की दुहाई देते हुए कहाँ की तुम एक मुस्लमान होते हुए भी हिन्दुओं का साथ दे रहे हो तो अशफ़ाक़ुल्ला ख़ान जी ने कहाँ…

  • ISLAM IS CULT OF HATRED, earlier i used to think Muslim terrorist and militants are misguided youths who got deviated from real teachings after reading articles of Ex-Muslim Ali Sina, Zakaria botros and many more I got to know in fact the Muslim terrorist and muslim militants are the real followers of ISLAMIC CULT. The Koran has verses which clearly says that Muslim should cut the head of non-believers (NON MUSLIMS)

  • @ Abdulla,

    Ha ha…. You are a such great enjoyment to all of us. keep up writting. Your comments give us everything to entertain. I couldn’t help laughing seeing your repetative comments about Easwar bringing earthquake and Tsunami. In spite of a number of efforts of Agniveer to make you understand the logic, he(Agniveer) couldn’t convince you. But I can understand your state of understanding. It illustrates how diabolical islamic mindset has overcome the undestanding of Islamic youth and made them hadicapped.

    Anyway, Easwar is bringing Tsunami and earthquake in India in the same way as Allah is bringing disastrous flood in Pakistan. I don’t understand how the followers of Islam in Pakistan are suffering such calamities(in spite of Allah being with them). It seems Allah has started showing the glimpses of “Judgement day” to their own people.

    We, Hindu people, describe all this with Law of Karma. Longevity of a person is decided based on his karma in previous birth.

    I am 100% sure that you will keep on replying and being source of entertainment to all of us.

    Tamso ma Jyotirgamaya
    Rajeev

  • Brother Jay,

    You said “We strongly believe, He Who has no enemy in and out of Universe”.

    How you justify this? Since your Eaaswar is sending Earth quakes, Tsunami, Floods and Cyclones and devastating millions of innocent peoples life. Every individual Human have many dreams in life, but all of sudden your Eaaswar is doing Mass murder. Dose these innocent people are the enemies of your Eaaswar? Does these things happening in this world without his knowledge? Why he is doing this? If he want to kill innocent people by sending all kind of troubles, why should he create us? and playing with our lives in ruthless way.

    Your Eaaswar has no heart at all. He is enjoying by sending all kind of troubles to innocent people around the world. He has no right to do like this. What kind of blasphemy did these innocent people did to him?

    Abdullah Reddy

  • We Hindus never mind & strongly believe, if any one blasphemes our Avtaars, Gods, and Goddesses & Rishies. Thus, we know. Brahman – A Divine Nature, A Spiritual Being, A True Un manifested Entity is never hurt by merely words of Human like blasphemy or abuses to HIM.

    We strongly believe, He Who has no enemy in and out of Universe.

    We strongly believe, He Who can not be small face by words of Humans.

    We strongly believe, He Who can never be insulted by human act of nature.

    We strongly believe, He Who love those who love Him & those who don’t love Him, He still loves.

    We strongly believe, He Who never wants any innocent to be killed on account of His Honor or of His Beloved Devotee.

    We strongly believe, He Who never wants one human to be killed against other human (Mohammed) who was also a Human.

    We strongly believe, He Who never wants humans should worship Him but to know HIM.

    Even if Salman Taseer said something wrong to Mohammed, then Allah himself will take revenge from Salmaan Taseer but no human has right to kill publicly.

    Why does your Allah take revenge just on account of blasphemy of one man Mohammed to kill Humanity? Do you think, such kind of Allah is Real God?

    Why is your Allah very limited to one person Mohammed.

    Why do you keep your Allah in one pocket whereas no one can sustain God in one corner, it is impossible.

    What compels Allah to make such rules in Islam?

    Why does Islam proclaim, “Allah has made this Universe only for His beloved Mohammed”?

    Why does Allah not declare, “I have made this Universe only for MANKIND”?

    Above statements doubt the Quran and Shariyat that Rules mentioned are not divine but a fake documented governed by a man.

    Try to realize SELF within YOU and then to KNOW God, don’t only worship HIM, understand God before you make your own Ideas to kill someone.

    • If u hindus never mind ny thing den y r da hindu fundamentalists issuing death threats to M.f. hussain…. Y cant u guys tolerate him…? I wud advice u 2 get out from ur farce n hypocrisy…..

      • They are trying to behave same as you. In case any such serious threat is there the indian law or government will give protection to him.But it does not create a new law saying all muslims who kill cow are to be killed. Any way what is wrong with christians calling jesus a son of god? Is god not the creator and dont we call our creator as father? If calling father is wrong what do you say about mohammad saying all his wifes as mother of muslims? Isnt it an insult to my parents?

      • Mr Adolf,
        According to christian point of view it is not wrong to call jesus as son of god, but muslims don’t agree with ur viewpoint……. So u can hav ur view n v will hav our’s…….

        calling Jesus as son of god is not a problem but treating him as successor of god is wrong n considering him as god is wrong according 2 us…..

        Indians call Gandhi as father of da nation…………. so does dis insult da Indians? I guess no… so in a similar sense considering wife of Mohammad PBUH as mother of muslims is not wrong…

      • Can you come up with verses from bible which says
        1.jesus is successor of god
        2.consider jesus as god.
        Also can christian countries have the same law and kill all muslims,as they hurt the feelings of present day christians? how far will this go?

        One religion publicly condems other religions are false and doesnot allow other persons of different religion to do the same. I think hypocrisy is the better word for the blasphemy law.

        Anyway i personally believe what jesus said is in accordance with vedas and i would like to have some references from bible which your prophet analyzed to declare christianity as shirk.

        thanks

      • The most direct references to Jesus as God in bible r listed below:

        Romans 9:5. “Christ, who is God over all”
        Titus 2:13. “…our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ”
        2 Peter 1:1. “our God and Savior Jesus Christ”

        dese above quotes itself proves dat christians r doin shirk by considering Jesus as god….

      • yes now i agree christians are doing shirk i.e treating jesus as GOD(ISHWAR) and giving much importance to image of him.But so are muslims doing by bowing to kaba.

      • Mr Adolf,

        We do not worship the Kaabah, nor Masjidul Haram by facing it in prayer. We worship none but Allah. That is why, even if the Kaabah is directly in front of us, we do not look at it, rather v look at the ground before us, as the focus of our prayer is never on any created object, but Allah alone.

      • Mr. Adolf

        I think u need take some memory pills…. I already told u dat v dont worship kaaba…. Did u ever c a picture or statue of Mohammad (PBUH) at ny muslim place? So where is hypocrisy over here…….

      • but you assosciate kaaba to pray. Why do you require a direction to pray? wont god understand your heart if you pray the opposite direction? what necessary is that black stone to pray to god? can i print it on my slippers? If indeed you value for history why is that history not followed in the case of budhas statues? budhsits have no god and they are not doing any shirk isnt it foolishness to destroy them?

      • Irshaad
        Regarding Kaba worship, please visit http://agniveer.com/1685/kaba-or-idol-worship/

        We dont see any picture of Muhammad anywhere but we listen his name five times a day just next to LASHARIK Allah in Islamic prayers! Muslims have their own way to worship Muhammad. They worship him through words five times a day and by going to his birth place. So Muslims are human worshippers in addition to idol (Kaba) worshippers.

        You say you dont worship Kaba! Why do you kiss the black stone and circumambulate around it while performing Hajj? Are you still different than any idol worshipper dear Brother?

      • Mr Adolf
        Muslims all praying towards the same point is to symbolize the unity of all Muslims worldwide. v kiss da black Stone and touch it or gesture towards it because it is from the signs of Allah. Hence our kissing it or touching it or signalling towards it is in worship of Allaah not the stone.

        concerning Buddha statues… u can ask dis question 2 da one who destroyed it…

      • @Irshaad

        Irshaad, these are all stupid excuses to justify your idol worship. If I ask a buddhist or an ignorant hindu, who worships an idol, he will say I am not worshipping the idol but I am worshipping the real God by using this idol. Similarly, if muslims state that they worship Allah by facing the blackstone, they are hypocrites, and they fall under the same category as other idol worshippers. Each time you involve any solid monument (idol, mosque, stone) in your prayers, either you use it for direction or concentration or any other reason, you are CLASSIFIED AS AN IDOLATOR. Now, either you accept ur an idolator or hence stop facing the kaaba and worship Allah without the use of Kaaba. If facing the Kaaba is a commandment from Allah Himself, then He has contradicted his own message by prohibiting you to bow before idols on one hand, and at the same time ordering you to bow before the black stone. What a grave CONTRADICTION!!!!

      • @Vik

        ” If I ask a buddhist or an ignorant hindu, who worships an idol, he will say I am not worshipping the idol but I am worshipping the real God by using this idol.”

        u made da above statement in ur previous post.. I find most hindus who u call ignorant in da majority..

        Hindus aka Sanatanis believe in idol worship… wat do u hav 2 say abt dat??

        Firstly u did not read my previous posts n if u hav read den i will explain u once again since some people do need extra time 2 grasp things n i guess u r one of dem…

        1. we dont place a replica of kaaba before us wen v pray whereas in ur case people pray before pictures and idols. so dat makes us different from u idol worshippers.

        2. If the Kaaba is directly in front of us, we do not look at it, rather v look at the ground before us, as the focus of our prayer is never on any created object, but Allah alone.
        so dis explains u dat kaaba is not da centre of attraction for muslims.

        3. all muslims face da direction of kaaba 2 show a sense of unity and solidarity.

        I hope dat u got it dis time….. n in da meanwhile u did not answer my previous query n instead repeated wat ur friend Amitesh has said.. i will repeat da question again…

        I presented a quote from Rig Veda wich sanctioned Sati n u told me dat da mantra was changed from agre to agne. den u said dat dey wer verbally twisted n not in writing. So for dat reason I asked u if all da men who had knowledge of vedas either burnt women or supported it and I also said dat women wer not given education of vedas as dey could hav easily made out dat nothing of dat sort has been written in Vedas.

        wat do u hav 2 say abt my above query?

      • @Irshaad

        Many hindus are ignorant and are unaware of the real worship as per Vedas. Well as I said, do not look at majority, majority does not imply truthfulness, you should look at Arya Samaj, who are much closer to Vedas compared to the hindus u see. There is a long story explaining why hindus do what they do.

        1)Yes I agree, you do not put a replica of kaaba before you, whereas many buddhists put an idol before them, but listen, its not about quantity, but quality. For example, if you have two jugs of water, one jug contains 1L of water, and another jug contains 2L of water, we do not care which jug has more or less, what matters to us is that BOTH jugs contain water. Same is the case with you, it doesnt matter whether you bow before many idols, or bow towards one universal idol, what matters is that you bow towards a solid monument (kaaba). So either way, you cannot call yourself a NON IDOLATOR since you engage kaaba in your prayers. First get rid of the Kaaba, and then pray to Allah without Kaaba, only then you will be a non idolator.

        2)Same is the case with hindus, infact, hindus go a step further, they dont look at anything, they simply close their eyes while they pray before an idol, if you think not looking at the kaaba, but looking at the floor on which it is kept justifies you from being a NON IDOLATOR, then I must say, hindus are more of Non Idolators since they close their eyes. Again, same thing, either you look at the floor of the kaaba, or on its roof, an idol is an idol. I see many muslims kissing the kaaba, so your point is proven wrong here.

        3)Is Allah that blind that he can only keep track of your prayers while you unite in prayers towards a common point???? Again, I can say the same thing that all you have is a different reason to defend your idol worship, unity, direction, common point, are all your reasons, whereas, concentration are the reasons for ignorant hindus and buddhists, and christians. The only difference is that your reason is much different from theirs’ and you do not like that reason so hence you frame them as “idolators” without looking at yourselves.

        As far as Sati goes, there is not a single verse in Vedas that sanctions this nonsense. Yes, it did happen ages back in India, but not by the order of Vedas, but by the ignorance and following false stories of Sati Maa that were propagated back then. It also begun during the Islamic invasion in India, that women chose to kill themselves rather than being lifted by a Moghal. Later on, to show that it was a religious order, someone fabricated a mantra of Vedas to make it look as if Vedas sanction this nonsense, but they failed to do so since Vedas cannot be changed.

        Please read articles like Women in Hinduism, Women in Vedas, also found on this site.

      • Budhists praying to budha is not idolation as budhism is agonistic. May be budhas face looks the same as in the statue what is the point of opposing budhas images? What god is he who ask us to pray for him? does god has no other work other than being our slave, granting worldy things to whoever apeases him or threatening people for some petty reasons. For muslims there is no god but Allah. Allah doesnt have a shape and hence they condemn idol worship. But for vaishnavas or shaivaites or any other idolators god has a form and they have their idols according to the poeple who saw their respective god. What proof other than statements from quran have you got to say that there is no god but Allah? Any way we have digressed from the topic.

      • @Vik

        Initially I knew dat hindus do hav several castes bt here I discover dat der r other divisions as well hindus and non-hindus(arya samajis)… well dats cool… den I think u need 2 first get dem on track first…

        1. Unlike hindus, Muslims may bow before Kaaba but dey do not worship it…… u wer giving some jug n tumbler example explaining da quality n quantity concept. I wud jus tell u dat if u give me a illogical example i will also try 2 giv u one example of similar type… A man weighting 80kgs buys a ticket 2 get into Tirupati temple. Assume dat dis temple allows darshan 2 one person at a time. Now seeing dat guy 2 other men who wer in a same queue demand dat dey will jus buy single ticket as dey r jus 40kgs each. wat do u think wil da reaction of da gate keeper b?? quantity or quality???

        2. Wen hindus close der eyes, dey start imagining da physical features of god whereas muslims dont…

        3. I already told dat muslims pray all in one direction to signify da unity among demsleves. And if u want 2 still make some baseless claims. den I wud follow ur suite… y do u guys recite mantras wen u do pujas….
        Can’t ur god understand ur prayers if u guys dont recite mantars?

        All da while u n ur frens kept claiming dat agre was interpreted 2 agne. And now u sing a different song. Let me remind u wat exactly said…

        Vik says:
        December 29, 2010 at 7:17 AM
        @Irsaad

        when we imply that the word “agre” was changed to “agne”, we dont mean that word is changed in the entire Vedas as a whole, for example, if Vedas were to be published today, you would still see the original unchanged verses of Vedas. This agre to agne was done as a false interpretation for evil people to fool innocents to make them believe that VEDAS SANCTION SATI. But the reality is there is no such interpolation in the actual Vedas. The ACTUAL Vedas only contain and willl forever contain Agre, not Agne. Hope I made myself clear.

        Can u explain me wat dis actual vedas and duplicate vedas are?

        Were all da so called ACTUAL VEDAS missing at the time wen evil brahmins wer trying 2 justify Sati burnings by virtue of DUPLICATE VEDAS?

      • @Irshaad

        All these castes, divisions, etc, you see are man made. As per Vedas, there is no such thing as divisions. These were all created by evil people to gain authority over the weak and helpless. You should know that islam itself is divided into 72 sects, so do not think that your religion is free of this nonsense. Arya Samaj was a step taken to reform Hinduism, and Dayananda is our role model. His prime message was that we should all return to the Vedas.

        1) Irshaad, why are u running around a pillard in circles and ultimately hitting your own face into the wall and falling down exactly at the point from where you started. I told you many times, that even hindus who do idol worship say the same thing that they dont worship the idol, they bow before it only to worship the Actual God, similarly, how muslims claim they bow before the kaaba to worship Allah. I am saying that both of you are idolators, since you bow before an idol regardless of the reason. I know u are trying to tell me that u dont worship the kaaba, but you still bow before it and that is CLASSIFIED AS IDOL WORSHIP. Cant you get this simple point through your head????

        Quality is the base of Quantity, in fact both exist together. In your example, what I am trying to say is that it doesnt matter who weights 40 or 80, what matters is that both of them bought a ticket.

        2) By the way, how do you know they picture God??? Did you go into their minds??? I can say the same thing that muslims picture Allah or Mohammad as well when they close their eyes sometimes.

        3)Mantras are recited as rituals, for example, marriage, birthday, etc. They are for the people around us, not for Ishwar, because we do not need to tell Ishwar anything, He knows everything. But prayers are done within our head, for that, I do not think God needs everyone in one direction. I think God should easily notice what and from where a person is praying. Besides, God is omnipresent, so whats the need for unity if He is everywhere? As I said, these are just excuses to bow before the kaaba, do you think Allah cannot listen to you if you do not pray towards the kaaba?

        4)The way I can explain it is, suppose in the Quran, there is a verse that says “bismillah” and now suppose someone in a village purposely changed “bismilah” to “rismillah” to mean something stupid, you can always double check using other Qurans to see if the line has bismillah or rismillah written in it. The same is case for Vedas. Vedas never ever been changed, its only one verse which someone fabricated to make it mean Sati, but the original Vedas…DO NOT HAVE THIS FABRICATION…THEY ARE STILL PURE AS INCEPTION………..besides this fabrication was probably done very recently since back in the old days, Vedas were memorized orally and no one can even change a single letter. Later on, Vedas were compiled into books, and someone probably took ONE BOOK and fabricated that mantra, but we can verify from other books that this mantra has been changed.

        The oral traditions of Vedas is still going on today, if you do not believe me, why dont you go listen to them, they will never say “agne”, but will instead say”agre”, so it is obvious that someone cunningly tried to fabricate the verse but this person was stupid since he never knew that Vedas are also being recited orally from which his stupidity can get caught, and that is exactly what happened here.

      • Yes hinduism has many versions.Not all will accept the pure sankhya put forward by the arya samajis.Hinduism accpets that every person has his right to worship god in any way he likes, your dislike for idol worship must not be binding on the rights of idol worshippers.

        God if he is not petty minded will accpet the love directed towards him even though it was done before the idol of a pig or horse. It was no shirk at all as hindu god is omnipotent. It may be shirk for allah as he is not omnipotent and confined to heaven.

        In the state of turiya there will be no personal feeling of identity and the only identity left will be the all encompassing brahman. Jesus was in that state when he uttered the words “I and the Father are one” . The religion which killed their own people for reaching that state(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansur_Al-Hallaj) can never understand that state and accuses and kills every one else who is not accepting with them.

      • Irshad
        Anytime when you want to show castes and divisions among Hindus, just do one thing. Pick up any news paper or switch on your TV. You will find on some channel, bunch of Muslim volunteers helping the dead bodies and injured people (Muslims) out on stretcher who were died or injured while they were offering Namaj by bombers who were again Muslims! Then see the dog fight between the Moulvis belonging to different sects, one praising bombers and others condemning it! Sunni, Wahabi, Shia join their hands against Ahmadis but kill each other when no Ahmadi issue remains! Deobandi and Barelvi have the centuries back dispute on their mosques. No Ahle Hadith can enter Sunni mosques and vice vers, forget about offering prayers there. And this happens with all sects that ultimately they think of their sect as true Islam and rest as Kafirs.

        Have you however seen any Arya Samaji blowing him off in any temple or any Hindu blowing Arya Samaj? By now you would have understood what is the difference b/w you and others. Hindus are not perfect and they have different ideologies, I agree. But none of them hates the other on this basis. They have beautiful custom of Shastraartha in which intellectuals of both philosophies sit together and discuss in a friendly and peaceful manner and at the end, all recite Shanti Path which is the symbol of peace and the message is that whatever be the differences in our faiths be, we are still one family and will always remain one.

        3. After showing unity five times a day, if most of the bombers and their victims are still Muslims, there must be something terribly wrong with that single direction! What say?

        For Hindus, there is no compulsion to recite Mantra anywhere. Its all one’s choice. It is OK if he/she recites, it is still OK if he/she prefers not to recite. It is personal matter of devotee. No one is going to throw them in hell fire if they dont recite a Mantra or whatever. So dont compare Islam with Hinduism. Your Namaj is not valid if you dont face Kaba, isn’t it? Your Hajj is incomplete without kissing black stone! Such hypocrisy can not lead you to happiness.

        Try to imagine a prayer in which you dont need to remember Muhammad with Allah and dont need to associate idol of Kaba in it. You can come back to Vedas, the only message of actual Tauheed.

      • @Vik

        Dis is wat ur vedas say

        “His (Purusa’s) mouth became the Brahmin; his arms were made into the Ksatriya, his thighs the Vaisya, and from his feet the Sudra was born.” — Rig Veda 10:90:12

        coming onto muslim sects, I wud like 2 correct u dat its not 72 sects but 73 sects. All these sects believe in Allah and his rasool. And if u look into quran der r no divisions mentioned. So humans created dis sects becoz of da difference in some beliefs n da division was foretold by Prophet Mohammad.

        1. Going according 2 ur philosophy, u might end up saying dat muslims worship walls, mosques or where ever dey bow… well continue with ur rhetoric…..

        2. I never got into der mind but dey do exhibit der god’s physical attributes by drawing pictures of his whereas muslims do not attribute ny physicality to Allah.

        3. If mantras are for people around u den y r dey recited in Sanskrit wich can’t b understood by everyone. Cant dey read mantras in some language which can b understood by people who r listening 2 it.

        4. u said some verses wer fabricated… my point is if some verses wer fabricated in vedas n Sati was sanctioned in dat way by evil brahmins, den where wer da original un-edited vedas??? wer dey hidden somewhere by Evil Brahmins???

      • @Vajra

        Firstly u dont actually know abt islam… Quran does not mention ny thing like shia or sunni……… moreover da so called wahabis, ahle hadees are all sunnis. so brush up ur knowledge. Coming onto da fights b/w dese people its more of a political interest rather dan religious n u will find dese bombings n killings only in politically unstable countries like pakistan……. So dont try 2 falsify things without knowledge….

        By da way u don’t worry abt me as I am on da right track…… Jus worry abt urself…

      • @Adolf : did you come across “أنا الحق‎ Anā l-Ḥaqq “I am The Truth,” ”
        on
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansur_Al-Hallaj

        it just “tav tat asi” or “Aham brhamasmi” or “ayam brahmasmi”
        this clearly shows that the wisdom of the veda was flourishing before the plague of Islam corrupted the land of “Arvasthan”

        Talking about the sahsrath chakra

        “In another controversial statement, al-Hallaj claimed “There is nothing wrapped in my turban but God,””

      • @Irshaad

        The actual meaning is:
        In society, Brahmins or intellectuals form the brain or head or mouth that think and speak. Kshatriya or defense personnel form the hands that protect. Vaishya or producers and businessmen form the thigh that support and nurture (note that thigh bone or femur produces blood and is strongest bone). In Atharvaveda, instead of Uru or Thigh, the word “Madhya” is used meaning that it denotes also the stomach and central part of body.

        Shudra or Labor force form the legs that lay the foundation and make the body run.

        The next mantras talk of other parts of this body like mind, eyes etc. The Purush Sukta describes the origin and continuation of creation including human society and states ingredients of a meaningful society.

        Thus, its a pity that such a beautiful allegorical description of society and creation is distorted to mean something that is completely contrary to Vedic ethos.

        Even the Brahman texts, Manusmriti, Mahabharat, Ramayan and Bhagvat do not state anything even close to crazy hypothesis of God creating Brahmins by tearing of flesh from his mouth, Kshatriya from flesh of hands and so on.

        read more at http://agniveer.com/888/caste-vedas/

      • @Irshaad

        You are wrong, there are some sects of islam like tanakyas, that believe in the reincarnation of the soul, so this means they oppose the heaven hell theory of Quran. How about the ahmediyas? They do not consider mohammad the last prophet>>>

        1) Yes, its not my logic, but the logic of idol worship itself. But, idolatry is also considered when you bow before the same object while u pray. For example, muslims will always bow before/towards kaaba, they will not bow anywhere else. So finally, you confessed that you are an idol worshipper.

        2)Why dont you try typing in “Allah” in google images, and see what they show you? Sometimes a picture of the kaaba, or a wall in which Allah is engraved in arabic, so that is also visual, hence muslims just picture that or the word Allah in their minds. I told you before, too, if hindus do picture God having a form, it is mainly due to their ignorance towards Vedas, and on this site we are preaching Vedas.

        3)Mantras are recited in Sanskrit because it is the original language in Vedas. Many of these things have become a tradition. The same way how muslims recite the kalima in Arabic, why not Urdu or Spanish??? But as per Vedas, we can pray anywhere and anytime, unlike being restricted to certain guidelines like islam.

        4)The real un edited Vedas have always been there, but no one read them to expose the falsehood of the evil pandits back then. Just like, only doctors kept the medical books to themselves, while everyone were illiterates, so this way the doctors can fool people as much as they want. So the same was the case with those evil pandits. But thanks to our role model Swami Dayanand, who exposed all these myths and finally made many people read the Vedas and saw for themselves that there was NO such verse that sanctioned this stupidity. It was only a few evil people who fooled everyone to gain power. Vedas have always been PURE and NEVER CHANGED. All four Vedas are exactly in the same format and order/age as they were given out at inception.

      • Irshad
        Visit the following and know that Sunnis believe Ahle Hadith (Wahabis) along with Deobandis and Shias to be Kafirs!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzDV6Wx6luU&feature=related

        Go and first teach this Mullah that Ahle Hadith are Sunnis. Then teach Wahabis that they are Sunnis. Then you can try to teach us the same.

        And you did not tell me, which sect do you belong? Which mosque you offer your prayers, is it Sunni or Wahabi or Qadiyani or Shia or Deobandi or Barelvi or….?

      • Irshad
        And I forgot to give you the link in which Mullah Ji from Sunni firqa says Ahle Hadith as “Kutte” (dogs) at 6:51 in the following video!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X01htQUvKcQ&feature=related

        you say Wahabi = Sunni ….(1)
        Mullah Ji says Wahabi=dogs ….(2)

        from eq (1) and (2)

        Sunni=…..! …(3)
        Even any Madarsa student can now fill up the blank of eq (3) easily.

        All this was just to show you the reality of “Unity in Islam”. I have no intention to hurt anyone by my comment. Please see it as an attempt by a Brother to save his Brother from the path of hatred and get him back to the path of love.

        You can come to Vedas, the original religion of your ancestors.

        thanks

      • @Vajra

        dese videos r quite interesting. By da way thanx for posting…..

        if u need mor videos of dese type, I can provide u da links n url’s….

        Indeed very funny LOLZ….

        Dont worry abt da UNITY in muslims……. u will soon c dat wen da time is ripe

        I am a proud muslim n will remain one so stop searching for da sect of mine….

        Thanks for inviting me buddy….. but I think u first need 2 send all da invitations to da hindus 2 come into da fold of Arya Samaj…… tc

      • @Vik

        My question is y do u need castes for a doing particular work….? y do u need 2 stereotype people????

        u can find more abt caste system if u take a look at dis website

        http://truthofhinduism.com/hinduism/caste/hinduism-caste/

        Tanakyas: Is dis some kind of a new sect started by Arya Samaj since I never heard abt it…

        The Ahmadiyya Community accepts Prophet Muhammad as the last prophet who had brought a complete and comprehensive universal law for humanity but dey also believe that prophethood subordinate to Muhammad (S.A.W.) is still open. Prophet Muhammad is believed to have brought prophethood to perfection and was the last law-bearing prophet, the apex of man’s spiritual evolution. New prophets can come but they must be subordinate to Muhammad and cannot exceed him in excellence nor alter his teaching or bring any new law or religion.

        So buddy I advice u 2 properly understand n research before u post comments…….

        1. Hats off 2 ur logic……. wow now I understood y people over here praise agniveer after reading der posts….. so a new logic now google and picture of Allah(S.W.T.). Let me tell u some thing buddy, wen u search for a thing either in google or for dat matter in any search engine, if u dont hav da exact result… da search engine returns u da next best suited result… hence if u google does not a picture of Allah it will come up with results wich u mentioned before… So pls try avoiding dese kind of logics if possible…

        2. well I was expecting dis…….. instead of counter-questioning me y cant u answer my question as 2 y do u recite mantras in sanskrit??? y cant it b done in an understandable language….

        3. Its a pity dat all da brahmin pandits of dose times wer so evil n cunning. My question is if all da brahmins wer evil den dey could hav secretly gathered n could hav burnt da original vedas as dis cud hav helped dem in endless dominance over others…..? Wer dey foolishly evil n cunning???

      • @Irshaad

        When did i say castes are needed for certain professions??? The verse clearly states that being a brahmin or kshatriya are just professions which anyone can become. Shudra means an illiterate person, and by default, we are all born shudra. Now its our responsibility to gain education to become a brahmin or kshatriya or vaishya. Just like from school, you are free to become a doctor or engineer or lawyer. It does not mean that doctors have a seperate caste or engineers have a separate caste.

        I have seen that stupid website truthofhinduism, they are just giving false interpretations. Ever since Agniveer.com has opened, all the people that failed in debating us, decided to open up a site and randomly post their arguments in the form of articles. If you read their articles carefully, you would see that they refused to answer ALL the questions asked in articles on this site.

        Go research 73 sects of islam, you will surely see this one for sure!! There are some sects that do not believe in mohammad’s miracles as well.

        Well I am not here to defend Ahmedyas, so its better that you deal with their issues of mohammad being the last or second last messenger. Ghulam mirza actually said that mohammad was not the last messenger, that is why in Pakistan, many Qadiyanis/ahmedyas are banned or either tortured. Moreover, they even believe people like Buddha and Guru Nanak to be messengers as well, wheras Quran does not sanction their names.

        1)
        My logic still PROVES that you are an idolater. As per Vedas, we do not require to face any kaaba or bow before any idol REGULARLY WHILE WE PRAY, so now tell me, is it not better that you follow Vedas, and bow before nothing while you pray and not commit Shirk, or do you still prefer bowing towards the kaaba?

        2)
        Original sanskrit mantras are faster to recite and have a good balance of all the pitches and rhythms, and moreover, its TRADITIONAL…..and many hindus understand the mantras in sanskrit as well because durring every wedding, the same mantras are chanted, so you cannot say hindus do not understand the mantras!!!!

        3)
        Only some brahmins were evil and did this stupidity, otherwise if your logic be true, Sati would be happening in each and every part of India, which was not the case. Sati originated due to islamic invasion, I told you before, many Pathans, used to abduct single women, so this is why women decided to kill themselves, it has nothing to do with Vedas, on contrary, Vedas order women to seek life once again!!!!

      • Brother Irshad
        Giving links or discussing people was/is never a business of mine. I was compelled to do so by those who say Islam is fastest growing because it is best, muslims have unity, Islam has no discrimination but Hindus have etc etc. I always like to talk about scriptures like Vedas, Quran and Hadith.

        Regarding sect, you say you dont belong to any sect but Hadith says that Ummat will be divided into 73 sects and only one out of this 73 will go to Jannat. If you dont follow any of the 73 sects, you are anyway Non Muslim in first place, because a true Momin will belong to any one of these sects (however no one knows which sect is true sect). Thst is why I am so concerned about your sect Brother.

        No one has copyright over truth. So you need not keep yourself away from something just because not all Hindus believe in it. We should choose the best path available irrespective of its number of followers. There is no Hindu/Muslim for Vedas. Commandments of Vedas are given to all humans unlike other books which give commandments to either children of Israel or a Momin or a believer in Jesus etc. So anyway a Hindu cant claim that Vedas belong to him more than you because Vedas are for all.

        You can discuss with us any concept of Vedic ideology and then compare it with that of Islam and judge yourself which should be followed.

        best regards

      • @Vajra

        Islam is da best…. dis is wat I believe n most people accepting it as a part of der lives believe….

        I advice u Mr. Vajra 2 do some proper research abt da 73 sects before u write some thing abt it…. Prophet Mohammad said dat a person or a group who follows teachings of Quran n practice Prophet’s teachings will enter heaven…. And if I am following Quran and sunnah den I need not worry abt my sect since Allah will decide wich sect I belong 2 n whether I deserve 2 enter da heaven or not……. And one more thing if u yourself don’t know wich sect is goin 2 enter Heaven den y r u so concerned abt my sect as I think u need 2 worry more abt ur fate….

        Any new born baby b it of ny faith is a muslim so dis says dat Quran is for everyone n evryone shud return 2 da true path n I request u brother 2 come 2 da right path….. Take care

  • Vedic Dharma teaches humans a way of TOLERANCE by dyana and gyana. Meditation is only a way which leads you to reality that Vedic Practices show a path. A path of pure devotion and self esteemed.

    Mediation is purely a way of knowing and experiencing the Supreme Soul that way has no brand, stamp, term, bet, relation, nepotism and obstacles of caste etc,
    Rest all we do is Karamkhand just to have actions in the forms of good & bad to get fruits which will ultimately fulfill the desire of one’s motives in life on any of planets of this Universe but not that understanding of JIV GYAN as Liberation.

    Once you understand through meditation what reality is and what Jiv Gyan is then you will never attempt to kill any one, even you will never think of killing someone.

    Muslims need to learn this process of Vedic Dharma, though I don’t recommend muslims to embrace Sanatana Dharma unlike Zakir Naik but to know what reality is.

    Very nature of Vedic Dharma allows every one to EXPRESS desires, comments, questions or cross questions freely. This is what I have learnt from our SATAYSANGH a religious meeting where we discuss Vedic Practices and scriptures. Where every Human has right to raise questions against of any of Rishies or Avataars in that Satayasangh.
    But our Dharma Gurus never suppress and never lead us to threat or death for that particular human as blasphemy.

    Vedic Dharma is a way of TOLERANCE that every JIV has right to live and to let others live freely; they enjoy and suffer as per their actions, this is the school of thought of Vedic Dharma.

  • There is no any sign of TOLERANCE in ISLAM as the act of Guard and the comments of religious Mullanas & Pakistani public have proved that RELIGION ISLAM is not a safe place on this Earth for non Muslims and for Muslims too. That is very dangerous for Humanity.

    Many Muslims they fear despite the citizens of Pakistan, if any word they utter by mistake against of Mohammed will be assassinated.

    Dear Arshad and Abdullah——– It all happens because of Islamic Rules made by an illiterate man Mohammed and just due to one man you can see whole of humanity is on the needle point of death and further there may occur several casualties in future if it grows as is.

    You can see on the website of Agniveer that many of Muslims speak their minds with comments of very bad attitude on Krisna, on Rama, on Rishis and on Vedic Dharma.
    They are alive examples on this site. This sit is full of such comments. So, don’t give us an example of M.F. Hussain. M.F. Hussain has been threatened but not killed yet.

    Moreover, all Muslims are as safe as Hindus in India————You Muslims are more lucky living in India under the roof of Vedic Dharma.

    All minorities and even Muslims are not as secured as Indians in Pakistan. Why?????????????

    Answer is simple——————- barbaric rule of Arabic people which Ex Hindus adopted.

    All the bad consequences a Muslim bears and World, is because of one Man Mohammed TODAY.

    You people have been brain washed as much as that act of ignorance you feel is righteous job you do religously.

    Religion is made for shelter and security of humanity not for destroying fathers, mothers, sons, sisters, brothers and animals.

  • I tell you what truth is ————-

    Sympathy from public is needed which stands more genuine supportive rather than motive political statements of our Ministers of Governemnt.

    Government does not make Public———————— Public make Governments.

    Life is a Gift of God and an asset of God. This is neither mine nor yours nor made for Mohammed Prophet.

    I saw Pakistani local citizens distributing Sweats (Mithaiyan) on TV on account of death of Late Salmaan Taseer.

    I heard from Mullanas and local public on TV agreeing with culprit Guard that what he did was real act of Islam.

    I heard from my office mate (all are Muslims) as per them, Guard is not a sinner but he did the right job by killing Salmaan Taseer.

    I heard from a petrol pump worker while I was getting my bike filled with petrol.

    I asked some of people just for getting an idea of sympathy at least from one Muslim.

    People of Pakistan including Mullanaas are still commenting on the death of Salmaan Taseer that neither shall NIMAZ-e-JINAZA be prayed on his death nor shall any one show sympathy on the death of Salmaan Taseer and nor shall any one pray to God for his soul.

    Even today, at the time of Nimaz-e-Jinaza,. there were only the Family of late Salmaan Taseer and rest all people left earlier without performing Nimaz—e-Jinaza.

    That is the fact what was caught in the Cameras of media TV of Pakistan.

    Believe me I am here in Pakistan, as of yet, I have not met any Muslims who can show his personal sympathy against what that Guard did to Salmaan Taseer.

    Salmaan Taseer did not blaspheme in the honor of Prophet Mohammed if you analyze his speech with calm and quiet.

    What he said was a suggestion that putting someone to death as a Strict Law of Shriayat needs to be changed. He did not abuse Mohammed in his speech.

    I also watched The President of Pakistan, The Prime Minister of Pakistan and all other ministers of governmental bodies, they all showed compassion and condemned on the act of that Guard. But they never said, “This barbaric law (Rule of Ignorance) should be changed so that people should not be killed just based on blasphemy”.

    Why don’t you condemn this filthy rule of Islam only condemning by statements is a bias in the court of God.

    I would consider a true religion if all Muslims of World should stand for exterminating the barbaric rule imposed in Shariyat Law of Islam that it should be changed or modified or tolerated to other penalties but not death sentence.

    • Mr Jay,

      Jus becoz a few people took da undue advantage of blasphemy law, u can’t blame da law as a whole. And I wud advice u not 2 use words like “FILTHY” 2 describe something becoz it is jus reflecting wat u r……..

  • She was prisoned in the Jail, as she is too poor to raise her voice for her security, so Late Salmaan Taseer was only one who supported her case and brought her to media, upon which, international media got awareness. Mullanas also went on strike for one day in Pakistan and this support became a curse for Salman Taseer finally.

    Brother Irshad, there are hundreds of such cases on the name of blasphemy of Prophet Mohammed happen in Pakistan but they are never brought to media and in this way many of lives are spoiled and destroyed day by day just due to this legal law of Islam.

    If I have to take revenge from someone in Pakistan, it is only the easy and encouraged way to defeat that person just to blame him with charge of blasphemy of
    Prohpeht Mohammed and in this way, that person will be murdered.

    • Mr Jay,
      According 2 u people r misusing da Blasphemy law 2 take revenge on der opponents…… so how can u blame islam for dis? its da people who r taking undue advantage….

  • Dear Brother Irshad & Brother Abdullah,

    Even da pakistani government has condemned it……… u did not mention dat in ur comment……da following is a statement from government……..

    Don’t write what you want to write, write what is truth. Truth never requires agent. Truth is God.

    For your kind information, Mst Asia- a Christina woman appeared on TV Media which I personally heard her on TV in recent past and she said that
    I never said any wrong thing on to the character of Prophet Mohammed.

    She further said that why I should say something wrong to Prophet Mohammed when I know he is a messenger of Allah and same as our Jesus.

    Further she said, I was accused of blasphemy due to personal conflicts where I used to work in factory & I was ill treated by muslims workers there
    Due to personal dispute, they finally gave the shape of religious matter to drag me either to court or to harassment life, so allegation of blasphemy imposed on me is false and baseless.

  • KalBhairav,

    You are talking like as if i killed someone else. Now I ask you why did you Hindus cry when some in UK or USA print the Picture of Krishna or Ganesha on their Slippers and beer bottles? And why did cry when MF Hussain draw a naked painting of Kaali maa? Since you are Vedas follower, you have nothing to do when some one print Idols on their slippers or some one draw naked picture of Kaali Maa?

    http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002980.html

    And you don’t need to worry about the thing happen in Pakistan and a Muslim only killed in the incident. Also don’t worry about that Christian women, the USA will take care of her. When we tell you are worshiping False Idols you will get angry? At the same time when you call our Prophet false, we need to be silent? Wah.. what a great justifier!!

    • There is outrage when a Christian cross is immersed in urine…there is outrage when pictures of Ganesha are printed on slippers…The difference between these cases and the case of the Christian woman in Pakistan is this: In case of the former, NO STATE LEGALLY SANCTIONS TO DEATH THE COMMITTERS OF THIS ACT. In case of the latter, THE STATE LEGALLY SANCTIONS DEATH.

      Have you ever heard of a concept called separation of “church/temple/mosque/synagogue/gurudwara” and state?

      • Mr Bhairava,

        u wer speaking abt concept called separation of “church/temple/mosque/synagogue/gurudwara” and state…. den jus go thru dis article

        http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/07nude.htm

        “A case was registered against Husain on Saturday and the STATE police is conducting a probe into the allegations made against the painter, Patil said”

        I think u r very well able 2 c STATE/GOVERNMENT involved over here in da above statement…. so can tell me da difference u wer speaking abt in ur previous post…

  • So…let me get this straight. You say:

    No Muslim can never tolerate blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad(SAW). It is the fault of the Christian women to talk against Prophet Muhammad(SAW). She put herself into trouble…That women should openly say sorry for whatever she talk against Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and promise not to repeat the same in future, this is the only way she can save herself.

    She is Christian. That, by definition, means that she believes Jesus was/is the last “messenger” of God. That, in itself, does not count as blashphemy as per you. But what counts as blasphemy is that she chose to talk about this. So…thinking or believing that Mohammed is a false prophet is ok…it is a crime but does not invite the death sentence. But the act of saying so or talking about it is blasphemous inviting the death sentence. Is that right?

    Why is .thinking or believing that Mohammed is a false prophet not blasphemy? Why dont you go ahead and kill ALL non-Muslims who believe that Mohammed is false?

    Frankly, I do not expect any intellectual response from you on this. You are probably only going to quote the Quran. But instead, if you think about this and realize the stupidity of condemning non-Muslims for alleged blasphemy against an unprovable prophet, this post would have served its purpose.

    • Mr Kalbhairav

      Let me remind u dat christians believe dat Jesus is son of god. so dat itself is blasphemy according 2 islam since v muslims believe dat Jesus is a messenger of god so der is no question dat da woman said dat she believes Jesus is the last “messenger” of God…. did u ever try telling dat Prophet Mohammad is false prophet in Pakistan. Do try once n c da repercussions…
      I dont think ny one over der in pakistan had ever tried 2 name Prophet Mohammad as false prophet in Pakistan. dat christian woman is said 2 hav insulted Prophet Mohammad n so for dat reason she is been punished.
      Ok I agree wit u dat death sentence is too harsh…….. but y is dat ur hindu fundamentalists r giving death threats to M.f. Hussain….. if dey r given da power dey will end up killing him. goin according 2 ur proposition dont u think giving death threats to M.F. Hussain is also wrong….. So r u ready 2 condemn it………..

  • Dear Brother Abdullah,

    This is a TODAY’s Breaking News in Pakistan that existing Governor of Punjab- Pakistan–
    Mr. SALMAN TASIR has just been gun down with many bullets by his own Security Guard & he died on the spot.

    The reason was only a blasphemy of Prophet Mohammed.

    As late Salman Tasir spoke few days back in his one of conferences that we must bring flexibility or need to have little amendment in the Islam Rule. That Islamic Rule needs to be changed is as; if any one who blaspheme and dishonor Apostle of Allah-Mohammed, will be justified with the Death Sentence.

    So he only advised Moulanas and public that culprit at least is to be,punished with some other penalties but not with death. Since, he didn’t know, he would bear death consequences after his this statement.

    So he was killed in day light today in Islamabad market and you can hear this news from your Indian Media too.

    You see, Abdullah, even Muslims are not safe here in Pakistan, how come a Hindu or any other minority feels security in such a rule of ignorance.

    Do you realize, is this justification for mankind?

    • The security guard of the pakistan governor has ensured a berth for himself in Islamic Paradise and He has acted completely in accordance with the greaattttttt Islamic tradations…

    • Brother Jay,

      No Muslim can never tolerate blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad(SAW). It is the fault of the Christian women to talk against Prophet Muhammad(SAW). She put herself into trouble. Regarding the killing of Governor, i too condemn this. That women should openly say sorry for whatever she talk against Prophet Muhammad(SAW) and promise not to repeat the same in future, this is the only way she can save herself.

      The blasphemy against any famous personality that too religious will lead to serious consequences. The famous artist MF Hussain draw the naked picture of Kaali maatha and it is very grave insult to Hindus. Now he run way to some arab countries and staying there. Actually he should be killed in public for drawing such kind of painting.

      • Abdullah Brother why is Blasphemous Laws only for Non Muslims why is it not for Muslims Muslims there are allowed to insult other religions there in Pakistan Mullahs tell boys to go to temples and churches say bad things about their religion and the poor pakistani Hindus and Christians could not say anything in retaliation if they say anything out of frustration they are booked under Blasphemous Law and murdered.

        If a Pakistani Hindu or Bangladeshi Hindu wants citizenship in India he will have to wait long procedures whereas Bangladeshi Muslims who enter India are easily given ration cards and voting card by our party.

        HINDUS IF STILL START LICKING FOOLISH SECULARISM THEN NOBODY CAN SAVE US AND OUR FUTURE WILL BE LIKE THAT OF HINDUS IN PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH.

        http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/400-Pak-Hindus-await-Indian-citizenship/articleshow/7213868.cms

      • @Abdullah

        Abdullah, people like you are an insult to the human race. Do not forget, the land on which you stand on has the blood marks of various warriors from Shri Ram to Swami Dayanand and Arya Ashfaqullah khan, who fought all evil forces to make this a land of peace and freedom. This stupid law of blasphemy was invented by outsiders like Islam and Christianity. Otherwise the entire indian subcontinent was the land of Ram and Krishna culture, and even they never sanctioned such stupidity. They only killed criminals who were a threat to innocent human beings. Now, if a woman speaks against a man, no matter, who, why such a stupid law of killing her is needed?????

        By your logic, we should all get together and give a public beating to Zakir Naik since he openly infront of people says that Vedas are corrupted and they should be rejected and tries to lure everyone to follow the Quran. But there is something called logical reasoning and humanity within us.

        People like you are a threat to humanity, you set foundations for terrorism.

      • Abdullah
        Just out of curiosity, I want to ask that insulting Allah and His word Quran leads one to life imprisonment but insulting Muhammad results in stoning to death, why so? Is Allah greater or Muhammad? Why can one insult Allah and his book and still live but cant live after insulting Muhammad?

        What about the verse of Quran which calls every non Muslim worst of creatures? Is not Quran blasphemous to all humanity?

    • Mr. Jay Maheshwary,

      Even da pakistani government has condemned it……… u did not mention dat in ur comment……da following is a statement from government……..

      According to his spokesman Farhatullah Babar, the president described the assassination as “ghastly” and said that no words were strong enough to condemn it and that the perpetrators of the heinous crime must be punished.

      http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/05/taseer-falls-to-security-guard-s-bullets-blasphemy-law-claims-another-life-page-5.html

  • Dear Brother S.S.S,

    I really understand what you are saying and I have also a pain for you being an Hindu.

    I love you Brother SSS, I have written above what I have learnt from our Vedic Dharma.

    I don’t want any Muslims should be treated the way I am being treated here in Pakistan.

    If I know my hunger, I can feel hunger of others. This is what I understood from Meditation of Sananta Dharma- A Vedic Wisdom. Please see below a Verse from RigVeda.

    RigVeda Mantra–1/164/46:

    (Ekam sad viprah bahuta vadanti).

    There is one God but Sages call Him and see Him in different ways and names.

  • Dear Brother Abdullah,

    If I may have hurt you during my discussion, I extremely make sorry for that.

    I know your Allah & my Eashwar have no difference but ONE Supreme Spiritual Being.

    Difference is in our understanding of God. If we love each other, means we love one God.

    My heart cries while I look back to the history of India how India was plundered, looted and murdered.

    Otherwise, I have no Paap in my heart for Muslims, they are humans like me and I am like them.

    Jai Sri Ram! – Jai Sri Krisna!

    Best regards,
    Jay Maheshwary.

    • @Jay Maheshwary.,

      You said, “I know your Allah & my Eashwar have no difference but ONE Supreme Spiritual Being.” , Hmmmm, You need to know a Lot about ALLA, ( ALLA has all human quality, he is a deceiver, he is a killer, he often changes his mind, he orders his followers to kill others(Who does’t believe him) , He will give 72 virgin girls to whom ever dies for him, He is a sock puppet to Mohammed (Pedo) . So do not compare Eashwar to Alla. Alla Has so many other qualities also

    • Brother Jay,

      You are best and loving Human i found on this site. I really appreciate the knowledge you have. I learn some good things from you. I did not feel anything bad about you, after all this is a friendly discussion, you have posted your view and i posted my view. Hope it will continue in future also.

      Abdullah Reddy

      • @Abdullah,
        very surprised to see nice words from you, may be because you were a ex-Hindu…the least we expect from you dear Abdullah is to spread the love that Hinduism ever gave you or continues to give you …….after all everybody is hindu at heart and continues to do so untill greed, lust, jelously,revenge, unforgiveness takes control of one’s heart….. Long live all hindus of the world ( Hindus by deeds not by religion)..

        Pradeep

  • Dear Brother Abdlullah,

    As you said in your above Verse; How come Shri Krishna will be GOD?

    Quran sees God from only one aspect of Un-Manifested God, Whereas Vedic Dharma deals in both -Manifested and Un-Manifested God.

    Every thing emanates from Him. Please see as under:

    Invocation – This is the Shanti Mantra of Avasya Upanishads from Yajuveda.

    “OM – Purnamadah Purnamidam Purnat purnamudachyate.
    Purnasya Purnamadaya Purnamevavashisyate.”

    MEANING:

    “That is whole, this is whole, from whole comes out of whole.
    If Whole is subtracted from whole, still whole is left.”‘Whole’ can be replaced as ‘infinity’ also. ‘That and this’ refers to OM.

    If God created everything, then who created God? The answer is, the thing which has no beginning or end is called as God and others are only manifestation of God. The finite things undergo changes, but those are illusionary. Thus God is referred as infinity. So mind must think of the unlimited to experience the infinity.

    It is like the air filled in the balloon and suspended in space. Only the balloon moves in the space not the space itself.

    This infinity is spread across the universe. By ‘Thuriyatheetham’ mediation you can sense the static silence.

    And you will accept this equation if you understood the meaning : 0 x Infinity = 1

  • Dear Brother Abdullah,

    Yes, what I also mean we should not fight through Verses. May God bless both of us!

    Rather we should understand Vedic Dharma through the core essence of philosophy to understand Spirituality through Dyana (Meditation) not by chanting and remembering verses.

    Because, if we go deeper by references, we will find at the end, that verses of Vedas prove Quran a copy of Vedas.

    The concept of Heaven and Hell has actually been provided by Vedas to the World.

    Though, many more verses which share commonality from Vedas to Quran for Heaven, so below verses are from Vedas as under:

    (Atharva Veda 4:34:6)
    May all these streams of butter, with their banks of honey, flowing with distilled water, and milk and curds and water reach thee in domestic life enhancing thy pleasure. May thou acquire completely these things strengthening the soul in diverse ways.”

    (Atharva Veda 4:34:6)
    “Having pools of clarified butter, stocks of sweet honey, and having exhilarating drinks for water, full of milk and curds, may all these streams flow to us in the world of happiness swelling sweetly. May our lakes full of lotuses be situated near us.”

    Above verses literally tell us about Heaven that Mohammed incorporated Islam from Vedas.

    Though Vedas discusses Heaven but not as an Eternal Abode but a reward as per your Karam (a fruit of Action).

    Jai Sri Ram! Jay Sri Krisna!

    Best regards,
    Jay Maheshwary.

  • brother Jay,

    You follow Vedas and reach highest spiritual bliss. And I will follow the Qur’an for the final abode. For us the we have very good arranged way of life and simple for a normal human to follow. Yours is most complex way which a common man cannot understand.

    If your way is correct one, then I will pray to Eaaswar to show a right way for me in the next birth. If my way is correct, then i hope for the final abode.

    May God bless us and show us right way in this life to attain peace.

    Abdullah Reddy

  • I would prove Heaven is not final destination for NIJAD as per Vedas. JANAT or Heaven or Swarg is a Temporary Place of Happiness as per Vedas.

    Please see as under with authentic references with the Vedas, Upanishads and Bhagwat Gita:

    Mundakopanishad (1.2.8)
    Only the highly foolish ones desire and reach svarg after death.

    Bhagwat Geeta- Chapter 9, Verse 21.
    When they have thus enjoyed heavenly sense pleasure, they return to this mortal planet again. Thus, through the Vedic principles, they achieve only flickering happiness.

    Chapter 8, Verse 16.
    From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kunti, never takes birth again.

    Cont——p/3——–

  • Unending knowledge of Vedas provide detailed descriptions of Heaven and Hell.

    Though I told you earlier that Sanatana or Hinduism or Vedic Culture is a “Sumpuran Dharma” (Perfect Dharma).

    Islam believes only in one birth to Heaven (hereafter) but not discuss Liberation from Births and Deaths which is spiritual Gyan not provided by Mohammed to Muslims.

    So, Quran is incomplete as a copy cat of Vedas. Quran only teaches one side of Gyan of Vedas as incomplete manner in relation with Heaven and Hell only.

    Vedas not only discusses one Heaven, but it also discusses 7 levels of Svarg-Loka (Heaven Abode). Below the 7 levels of Heaven given are as under as per Vedas:

    Bhuva
    Svah
    Mahah
    Janah
    Tapah
    Satah
    Brhamlok

    Vedas, Upanishad & Bhagwat Geet what you have described above through verses are NOT conflicting themselves with one another if you analyze them properly.

  • Dear Brother Abdullah,

    I never mentioned & I never think, there are no Heaven and Hell but I always tried to explain it to you that Heaven/Hell are not FINAL DESTINATIONS for all Creatures:

    I tell you Brother Abdullah, you know, “where are Muslims making mistake in understanding of Heaven/Hell, please see as under:

    Muslims and Christians view as Heaven and Hell permanent abodes where goodness going to Heaven and badness go to Hell.

    Cont—–p/2———–

  • Brother Jay,

    How come Shri Krishna will be GOD?

    Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19-20

    19. He cannot be seen, neither above, nor across, nor in the middle. He is beyond grasp. There is no image that is true to His from. His name is glory itself.

    20. His form is not visible. The eyes cannot see Him. But those who know Him as abiding in the heart through their hearts and minds become immortal.

    Svetasvatara Upanishad 3:2

    Rudra indeed is that one, without a second, who rules all these worlds with his supreme powers, who stands in front of all creatures, who protects the worlds He creates, also withdraws them in the end.

    Some brothers on this site claiming that Allah is infinite and he is having hands and feet and so on. So here is the Upanishad which claims same with Eaaswar, he is also having hands, feet and wings also.

    Svetasvatara Upanishad -Chapter 3:3
    With eyes everywhere, with faces in every direction, with hands and feet spread every where, with His mighty arms and wings, He forges the earth and heaven together and all the men and the gods.

    We Muslims understand the meaning of this and we don’t assume what you people are assuming. That is the difference between us and you.

    Abdullah Reddy

  • Brother Jay,

    There is no authentic source for you to prove there is rebirth cycle. I have already asked you to prove your theory with authentic proofs.

    Your thinking that there is no Hell and Heaven. Here are the proofs.

    Katha Upanishad Chapter 1:12
    Naciketas: “There is no fear in the Heaven. You are also not there. There is no fear of agedness. Nor do we have the problems of hunger and thirst. Thus, the man who has attained Heaven remains there with all happiness.”

    Katha Upanishad Chapter 2:5-6

    “Those fools who are sunk in the ocean of ignorance think and feel that they are the really wise ones and that they are the masters (of knowledge). They are comparable to the blind who are led by the blind again. They do not reach their ultimate destination and will just be encircling the same place.”

    “This knowledge about the Heaven and about the knowledge of the Atman will not be understood by that one who is not deeply interested in it and by those idiots who are attracted by the worldly wealth and desires. Such people tend to think that there is no such thing as Heaven or Hell and that what exists is only earth or the world. Those are the ones who get into my trap time and again”.

    Bagavad Gita Chapter 9. The Most Confidential Knowledge

    TEXT 20

    trai-vidya mam soma-pah puta-papa
    yajnair istva svar-gatim prarthayante
    te punyam asadya surendra-lokam
    asnanti divyan divi deva-bhogan

    SYNONYMS
    trai-vidyah–the knowers of the three Vedas; mam–unto Me; soma-pah–drinkers of soma juice; puta–purified; papah–sins; yajnaih–with sacrifices; istva–after worshiping; svah-gatim–passage to heaven; prarthayante–pray; te–they; punyam–virtue; asadya–enjoying; sura-indra–of Indra; lokam–the world; asnanti–enjoy; divyan–celestial; divi–in heaven; deva-bhogan–pleasures of the gods.

    TRANSLATION
    Those who study the Vedas and drink the soma juice, seeking the heavenly planets, worship Me indirectly. They take birth on the planet of Indra, where they enjoy godly delights.

    Chapter 16. The Divine And Demoniac Natures

    TEXT 16

    aneka-citta-vibhranta
    moha-jala-samavrtah
    prasaktah kama-bhogesu
    patanti narake ‘sucau

    SYNONYMS
    aneka–numerous; citta vibhrantah–perplexed by anxieties; moha–of illusions; jala–by a network; samavrtah–surrounded; prasaktah–attached; kama–lust; bhogesu–sense gratification; patanti–glides down; narake–into hell; asucau–unclean.

    TRANSLATION
    Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and falls down into hell.

    Many People on this site talking that Muslims fear to God, but they don’t want to fear to God but they only Love GOD. For them see this Upanishad.

    Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter-4:21-22

    With Fear in their minds, people worship you as Unborn.Rudra may your face which is full of grace protect us all the time.

    Rudra please do not hurt my child or grand child nor span of my life. Please do not harm our cattle or horses. In your anger please do not slay our warriors. We always pray to you with oblations.

    So Fear to God.

    Brother Jay, your Vedas, Upanishads and Bagavad Gita, contains conflict statements. I have given proofs against rebirth and at the same time I found statements related to rebirth. Overall what I found is one statement is favor to Muslims and another one favor to you. So I wish to follow the statements which are favor to us.

    The other questions you have raised regarding Qur’an and prophet are baseless and there is no authentic source for the same.

    Abdullah Reddy

  • Dear Pradeep,

    Yes, I agree with you. As I have met many of Shias who normally claim that Ali was actually revealed and blessed by Allah not Mohammed. This is a big contradiction between Shias and Sunnies.

    Also this contradiction started while there happened an affair between and Ali and Aisha( a wife of Mohammed) which later exposed to Mohammed and then conflict took birth accordingly till the seat of Caliphate between Shias & Sunnies.

  • If Muslims think to get Janat is Final Destination as lolly pop brain washed by Mohammed, then it is blunder of Muslim Ummah.

    Greed is a Curse & Janat is Greed.

    Don’t you think you can make this Earth Heaven by your Actions, why doesn’t a Muslim keep this faith simply by his pure Actions rejecting all illusions of mayas.

    Abdullah, please don’t teach your children the lessons of Greed(Janat), teach them devotional inner soul realization through Yoga. God will Himself give rewards as per one’s Karams or actions.

    To have real revelation from real God requires rejection of luxurious planet JANAT which Mohammed’s Quran mentions at many places in Quran & Hadiths to spread Islam for getting place in Janat.

    This is false notion that there would be no revelation after Mohammed, this is only Islam says, but Not True God of this Universe.

    God is open for every body in every age for his revelation, regardless of being Muslims, Hindus, Christians and Jews etc.

    Now Abdullah, tell me I raised question to you in my previous posts but you have not replied me even none. Please answer my questions also.

  • God has not stopped His Gracious Revelations after one man Mohammed. Even the revelation said by Mohammed’s Quran is also fake revelation upon Mohammed.

    There was no vision happened upon Mohammed from Real God. Mohammed copied others surrounding faiths and some of his own rules mingled in Quran.

    It is like I buy a collection of books from market and I write my own book taking advices from experienced writers and launched it with New Brand Name- Quran – Islam.

    The same think Mohammed did. He took advices from experienced Brahma Gyani People- Jews- Christians whatever surrounding material the best he could collect he did and finally he started attacking over Madinian and Meccanian people initially with his team by means of new revelation of Islam through home made book of Quran.

    You can observe that many of similarities seems altered in Quran which was originally through Vedas, Torahs and Bible.

  • Krsna alone declared, I am every thing, I am Supreme Being, I am God as He mentions at many places in Bhagwat Geeta.

    Even though He knew, He is in Human Form in front of Arjuna, But He never cares because Krsna knows I am True to My Words. God never betrays.

    God does not need any selective Prophet Centered to be implemented with the worship of Allah.

    He directly reveals Himself to those who love Him without any material desires.

    I am proud of being Hindu that we have a vast and deep gyan (knowledge).

    We Hindus believe, any body can sit in meditation with peace of mind and can experience God. He will reveal to you the way one believes Him.

    Even a Muslim can meditate sitting in Yoga to have revelation from God without the name of Mohammed.

  • We Hindus, believe that Arjuna may be in thousands like you, Pradeep, Deepak, Agniveer , Forooq, Amir, Mohammed and me all are who can question Eshwar / Allah in the same manner as Arjuna raised questions to Bhagwan Krsna. This act of Bhagwat Geeta dialogues between God and a Devotee, is a Supreme Example for all mankind.

    Similarly, first Kalma was a mono poly which governed by a human 1400years ago which became a faith of Muslims over time. Pure faith is always believed in General not selective.

  • Dear Abdullah, please read complete “Bhagwat Geeta” you will find really a GYAN- “KARAM YOGA”, BHAKTI YOGA & SPIRITUAL TRANSCENDENTAL” not Stories & rules of FEARS as Mohammed (Human) mentioned in Quran.

    Mohammed knew that if I proclaim myself as Allah or God, People of Madina and Mecca will never follow my rules imposed in Quran, so he used Elah(Deity) as Allah as un manifested God without proper understanding of Spiritual Knowledge of God.

    This proves from Muslims’ first KALMA———– There is no god but Allah, And Mohammed is His Last Prophet.

    Why is Mohammed a source (object) in between a Common Devotee and God to believe in Allah?

    If I say, there is no god but Krsna, And Arjuna is His Last Messenger———– Then how you feel. That shows mono political, isn’t it?

    • @ Jay , there is a different Kalma for Shias———- There is no god but Allah, And Mohammed is His Last Prophet and Ali is a friend of Allah. The hiprocritic muslims will keep associating people with God and claim God doesnt like partners …..Super hiprocracy

  • All the Pronouns and Nouns are relative of un manifested knowledge of Eshwar.

    So, the Bhagawat Geeta is a Knowledge of all Educations as described in a Poetical Language in Supreme Song, one should understand it philosophically, I mean with the Love of Wisdom.

    Even in the following Verse Baghwan Krsna also says in Bhagwat Geeta that I am Arjuna too. Please see as under:

    Chapter 10, Verse 37.

    Of the descendants of Vrsni I am Vasudeva, and of the Pandavas I am Arjuna. Of the sages I am Vyasa, and among great thinkers I am Usana.

    Also see below Verse is for your info:

    Chapter 8, Verse 4.

    Physical nature is known to be endlessly mutable. The universe is the cosmic form of the Supreme Lord, and I am that Lord represented as the Super soul, dwelling in the heart of every embodied being.

  • Dear Brother Abdullah,

    Sorry for late reply, as technical problem in internet.

    This Verse you mentioned is from Chapter 18, Verse 62 of Bhagwat Geeta.

    O scion of Bharata, surrender unto Him utterly. By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode.

    This is very simple that Bhagwan Krsna points Arjuna out about “HIMSELF” by different Pronouns and Nouns not by “Him” and “His” only but also by following:

    “ME”
    “I”
    “Universe”
    “Water”
    “Fire”
    “Ocean”
    “Time”
    “Past”
    “Present”
    “Future”
    “Creation”
    “Annihilation”
    “Super Soul”
    “Supreme Being”
    and many more.

  • Brother Jay,

    Many things you have explained are without evidence. Please provide evidence with Vedic verses. At that same time Bagavad Gita verses conflict with each other, according the verse i have quoted, it is saying that Shri Krishna is not God, and according to the verse you have given they are confirming Shri Krishna is GOD. We need analyze what is true. Both cannot be true. If Both are true then the Bagavad Gita is an authentic book.

    We Muslims don’t worship Idols. Kaaba is only direction for the Muslims for praying. Where ever Muslims living in this world, they should turn towards that direction and pray. In India also we are praying towards the direction of Kaaba, but when we pray there is no Kaaba Idol or Picture in front of us, if we kept any Idol of Kaaba or Picture and pray, then definitely you can call us Idolaters. But you won’t find nothing like that. If you argue with the same statement, then i cannot do anything, it is up to you.

    Please provide solid reference regarding rebirth, don’t give your own explanation.

    I have lot of questions but please explain the things with references from authentic sources, then only the comments have some weight.

    Abdullah.

    • Al Baqarah
      Surah 2. The Cow

      [2:28]

      Arabic:

      Kayfa takfuroona biAllahiwakuntum amwatan faahyakum thumma yumeetukumthumma yuhyeekum thumma ilayhi turjaAAoona

      English:

      How can ye reject the faith in Allah? Seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life and again to Him will ye return.

      Note: The scholar who translated this was a devout Muslim, fluent in Arabic and could recite the Quran by heart. I take it you sir, Abdullah, cannot do so but rely solely on Zakir Naik for your Islamic stimulation.

      Salkia

      “Satyameva Jayate.”

      • Al Baqara 2:28 How can you refuse to acknowledge Allah [when your very existence is a living evidence of the Creator. There was a time when you were a thing not worth mentioning (76:1)] You were lifeless and He it is Who gave you life [and made you worthy of being addressed as ‘you’ (32:9)] Then He will cause you to die and then bring you back to life again whereupon unto Him you will be made to return. (40:11, 7:25, 22:66, 26:81, 30:40, 45:26, 71:17-18) (2:281, 10:56, 32:11)

        Here da reference is 2 da judgement day n not da rebirth………

  • Jay dear after so much of explanation, I am sure ex hindu abduallah will have no words , instead he will make a mockery by saying why doing to write fantasy books or movies…. all muslims are same , they all are happy with mohammed permitting them to have multiple wives legally and multiple sex slaves……..after all all men are similar, not happy with one wife , go for experimenting with more wives and get a screwed up life… this is demonstrated well in Ramayana and Mahabharata…. instead of taking lessons from such great epics , every muslim starts justifying sexual acts of mohammed…..I was surprised to know mohammed had sex with his wife’s maid in her absense, if he was that desperate he already had 8 more wife to manage his desperation , instead he justifies with a verse from God. this sounds as if God was a broker to meet all mohammeds needs… sorry for the harsh words

    • Pradeep,

      Can you provide single evidence where Prophet Muhammad(SAW) had illegal sex with anyone or he rape anyone? The People of Makkah who rejected prophet Muhamamad(SAW), did they ever claim that Prophet had illegal sex or rape some one? Can you provide any authentic source or hadith?

      Don’t make any false claims without any authentic resource.

      What about Shri Krishna, how many wifes he had? Why he need 16,000+ wifes? Other than this how may girl friends he had? Why he asked Gopikas to come out from water raising their hands when he stolen their clothes? Being a GOD(according to you) he want to see their naked private parts?

      Please look into your own books.

      • @ abdullah , just read articles at agniveer , all of them have already been quoted with authentic references…

        between can you please answer my single question
        According to Islam how many wifes can you have? and do provide authentic reference to the answer you provide

      • Pradeep,

        Here is the reference:

        If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (Qur’an 4:3)

        A Muslim man can marry up to 4 women. That is the option Allah had given to us. At that same time Allah also warns us that if we don’t deal with them Justly, then it is better for us to marry only one women.

        Abdullah

      • @ Abdullah, does the above verse say you can have 4 wives for the life time or 4 wives at a time ( after divorcing 4 , can marry another 4?) can you please provide more details

      • Pradeep,

        We can have 4 wives at a time. If we divorce 4 of them, then we can marry another four. I am having only one wife and I am happy with her and I want to stay with her till my death. Bcas I cannot dealt justly with more than 1 wife.

        Abdullah Reddy

  • We Hindus, ultimately meditate on Eshwar / Allah as Focal Point & Eternal Direction of Liberation.

    You must have seen a Rishi many times meditating on God where there is no Idol in front of him.

    You can see clearly that Idol worshiping in Hinduism is not as strict as Kaaba (A Building) for Muslims for prayer as an object.

    Can a Muslim give up this Kaaba direction for his Nimaz at least for one day. Abdullah, will you do it like that?

    But a Hindu has no obstacles to meditate God / Eshwar / Allah at any place, in any direction, at any time.

  • Dear Brother Abdullah,

    God is free from all bonds.

    God is free from all times,

    God is free from all directions.

    God is free from all places,

    God is free from all ways of prayers. God is free from all Mayavic illusions.

    Because a Muslim worships a “Disappearance” in his Nimaz. Make your Nimaz Spiritual also.

    All Muslims are praying to Allah as focal point to Kaaba in one direction. This doubts a Shirk which a Muslim never observes.

    Why is Allah not worshiped as FOCAL POINT but a Kaaba.

    Why is Allah not worshiped as DIRECTION but a Kaaba.

  • Further you said as below:

    Do you see any Pakistani doing Surya Namaskar?

    Not in Pakistan but all of Muslims follow altered way of Surya Namaskar and Touching Mother-Earth Namaskar by submitting their body limbs daily in 5 times of Nimaz.

    Surya Namaskar (Nimaz) is a part of Yoga which is only a Pooja in daily routine of KARAMKHAND DEVOTION as per Vedic Culture facing towards EAST as the Sun rises in the East. This is an un broken traditional way of Hindu Civilization to glorify the Sun.

    But an individual Hindu is free to face for his prayers in any direction where he suits to meditate on Supreme Being.
    Because Eshwar is every where in any of directions at any time which is a core belief of Vedic Dharma.

    The same way of Pooja of salutation to Sun, a glorification to the Sun which was taught by Brahma Gyani People to Jews in Jerusalem long before Islam.
    They also taught Jews to touch all body limbs to Mother- Earth during Surya Namaskar (Nimaz) i.e. Star god.

    Thus, Jews used to worship Moon God as well in Kaaba—the reason you still believe moon by means of Eid festivals as Islamic Calendar.

    This Surya Namaskar and Mata Namaskar underwent with changes as time passed on.
    When Mohammed fought Meccanian with his Army, hed hijacked Kaaba from the hands of Jews and Pagans.

    Bait-ul-Muqasid was the first Qibla for Muslims before Kaaba—– this is the first changing

    Mohammed flip every thing against what Vedic Practices already existed there with Jews like Surya prayer’s direction from East to only Kaaba.

    Like circumambulating Kaaba from clock wise to anti-clockwise, Killing animals, not believing in Idol worship, so over time, Suryanamaskar Yoga Practice got changed slightly due to hatred with Vedic People. But still spots of evidences are found in Muslims practices of prayers and kissing Black Stone outside of Kaaba was actually a Shiv Linga.

  • Now also please see your another quote which I am repeating below:

    I don’t what kind of Gyan you are looking for? Qur’an clearly tells us what is to follow and what is prohibited.

    Jay replies: It would be kind enough of you, if you tell us what kind of Spiritual Gyan is mentioned in your Quran that you follow:
    But please don’t jus tell me through Nimaz. Nimaz is daily prayer comprising of 5 times which is only a Karamkhand Devotion, by which you can be rewarded accordingly by God or maximum- Swarg (Janat), but Janat is not a NIJAD of this Maya/Body. Janat is not a name of Liberation. I am talking about highly structured Gyan which can lead you to link with God not to link with luxurious Janat Planet.

  • Dear Brother Abdullah,

    I am quoting your below lines from your above one of posts, pls see;

    TRANSLATION

    O scion of Bharata, surrender unto Him utterly. By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode.

    “Also note that Shri Krishna is not a GOD.

    Shri Krishna is not telling that by my grace you will attain peace, but through him (Supreme GOD)”.

    Jay replies: Now please see below verses from Bhagwat Geeta:

    Chapter 9, Verse 17.
    I am the father of this universe, the mother, the support, and the grandsire. I am the object of knowledge, the purifier and the syllable om. I am also the Rg, the Sama, and the Yajur [Vedas].

    Chapter 9, Verse 18.
    I am the goal, the sustainer, the master, the witness, the abode, the refuge and the most dear friend. I am the creation and the annihilation, the basis of everything, the resting place and the eternal seed.

    Chapter 9, Verse 19.
    O Arjuna, I control heat, the rain and the drought. I am immortality, and I am also death personified. Both being and nonbeing are in Me.

    Dear Abdullah, Above 3 verses prove that Sri Krisna is Himself God in Human Form as
    He descended 5000 years ago. So, Bhagwat Geeta is a WORD of Eshwar – Bhagwan Krsna.

  • Dear Brother Abdullah,

    Now Tell me about your views on CYCLE as I explained it to you, then we will discuss your another question about existing earthly time period of VEDAS.

  • Dear Brother Deepak,

    Thanks for your site but it couldn’t connect and it didn’t open, there may be restriction on it.

  • If every thing will shut down, how will God look like. If creation and destruction will stop then, why did God create us only in once.

    How will you think, if you have to take breath only once as inhale and exhale?

    Why do yo repeat your breaths every after seconds?

    If Spring season has to appear only one time, then why does Spring come again?

    If 4 seasons are repeated each year then why shouldn’t beads of Universe repeat?

    Very nature of every things is CYCLE. We don’t observe. Don’t believe what I say.

    Just observe the COSMOS- Study the lives of Stars, you will know how they transform from Star into a new object after a death of star like from Star to Black hole/Supernova/Planetary nebulae again.

  • As per Islam, the game of creation and annihilation will stop for ever or the Muslims those who entered into Janat, will be doing what for ever or they will be leading bodily comfort life because Janat is a planet where more or less the same things will be served you as per your deeds in the same manner as Mohammed compared with Earthly comforts..

  • Now Brother, understand what I say.

    Jews / Christians / Muslims / Hindus / Buddhists / Jains / Sikhs believe in the same Eshwar / Allah / God. There is only difference of understanding the destiny.

    Jews/Christians/Muslims believe in only one BEAD of everlasting Chain as I have shown above as the closed end “Begin-End”, right!

    Jews/Christians/Muslims are not provided deep knowledge of Vedic Gyan and that’s why, they can not see the Raw of Beads, only they see one Bead at one side.
    Please also try to see your left and right an unending line is going.

    Whereas we Hindus, including Buddhists, Jains & Sikhs believe in the everlasting Chain of Beads not only in one Bead alone.

    Cycle is not happening in ice to water to gas and not only human to animal and animal to human as re-birth but also A CYCLIC PROCESS takes place in a Complete above Line representing each of beads as one Universe.

    Can you eat only one day? Don’t you eat food until you pass away? After you pass away, again you come on this earth to enjoy and suffer as per yr deeds you did.

    Allah / God / Eshwar has not only created this existing Universe for one time but He has also created and annihilated several times long before us same as in the everlasting Chain of Beads.

    & this chain never stops was going on before us———— is going on————- will be going on!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In this way, VEDAS are CYCLE and they are repeated by God upon each of Beads in unending Chain of creation and destruction.

    So, Vedas are Eternal with no time.

    Now we will discuss existing earthly history of VEDAS as under:

    Adam & Eve were created from Clay/Dust and water only for one time and then we are off springs coming from Adam and Eve’s generation to generation and after the end of this universe as doom’s day, every thing will be judged by Eshwar / God / Allah and those who will be Muslims will be punished temporariy and then as per promise done by Allah to Mohammed for Mulsim Umma, will be entered into JANAT/Heaven and all non muslims will be put into everlasting burning Hell.

    Then, tell me, Abdullah, what will happen after all this. Do you think, your Allah will go on for ever resting holidays and then he will not create any thing more?

    I mean— the one bead of creation was created only for Muslims not for Prani (JIVA) not for Roots (Tatv).

  • Dear Brother- Abdullah,

    Today, I tell you the deep knowledge of Vedas in one Chain of Line and then I would discuss it in details, what this existing Earthly history of Vedas is and why other religions born if Vedas already exist.

    In order to understand the philosophy of Indian Wisdom, one has to keep with oneself an Infinitive Process of Line.

    That line is as under——:-

    Begin-End——Begin-End—- Begin-End—– Begin-End—– Begin-End—– Begin-End—– Begin-End—– Begin-End——- Begin-End—– Begin-End —–so on—–

    Above is a Chain of “Creation—Annihilation” or “Begin—End” ——- Vedas are Eternal Gyan—- repeated upon each Cyclic in Begin-End with everlasting chain of God continuously. Just as God is unlimited, His Creation / Annihilation are also unlimited.

    Each “Begin-End” is one BEAD of this Eternal Chain.

    Each BEAD of this Eternal Chain undergoes billions of years, though it is a short period for Eashwar/Allah but for a Human, it is a huge time.

    Each BEAD of “Begin-End” is actually Creation-Annihilation which is known as Maya (illusion) a Virtual Reality but not an Actual Reality.

    Actual reality is only Eshwar / Allah / God.

  • Brother Jay Maheswary,

    First tell me the history of VEDAS from the beginning. Can you provide the complete details from the start of this world and up to date. From the day the Men or women born in this world.

    And also give me the reasons why other religions born despite VEDAS presence.

    Abdullah

  • Now Abdullah tell me. Was Saudi-a-Arabia undergone in any of above miserable hard circumstances as India faced?

    Was any Muslims’ country was hijacked by Hindus ever in History out of India?

    Was India looted any country and slaved them because of spreading Vedic Dhrama?

    Had any Muslim country tolerated a such lengthy period of prejudices and discriminations on his own native land?

    Has your Quran ever undergone such invaders continuously like Vedas experienced and underwent its testing period?

    Vedas have already shown compassion and tested their examinations many times that world knows history of India how India was plundered by Muslims.

    History of India is self-explanatory to the Testing of Vedas, even after much cruelty, brutality, betrayal, viciousness, destroying Hindus temples/literatures—-
    VEDAS exist in its own originality just because of ORAL PRACTICES of Vedas.

    Tell me about testing period of Quran.

    Jai Sri Ram!- Jai Sri Krisna!

    Best regards,
    Jay.

    • @ jay Maheshwari

      Brother, first of all I salute you for the knowledge you have regarding sanatan dharm, inspite of living in a barabaric and intolerant country like Pakistan.

      Secondly, a humble request to you not to waste your energy on this brain-dead Abdullah. The crux of this discussion is – We have lost him to a 1400 yr old nomadic book. Thats it ! he is beyond repair.

      The lure of 72 virgins is too tempting for him to leave Islam. Infact, if you follow all his comments on this site, you would conclude that the only reason for him to accept Islam is the short-cut to Jannat, where he can have his share of Hooris and charming boys with wine. Nothing else !

      If you give it a second thought, its good that people like Abdullah have converted to Islam. You will see that all the Perverts have fascination for Islam considering the sexual raunches it promises, be it on earth or in Jannat. eg. Mahesh Bhatt’s fascination for Islam is manifest. So much so that he shared dais with Zakir Naik to protest against his ban in UK & Canada. Now, this Pimp (Mahesh Bhatt) has been on record saying if Pooja Bhatt hadn’t been his daughter, he would have married her ! Guess what, had Islam permitted marriage with own daughter apart from marrying daughter-in-law, this idiot would have converted to Islam to marry her. In short, Islam is a safe haven for all the perverts of the world !

  • India was fought, conquered, defeated by Swords and by Force yet Islam could not win the hearts of Hindus and could not wipe out Vedas. India can only be conquered by love what Vedas teach Hindus.

    If India had wanted, it could have made whole world Vedic but people of India who visited to every region of world only spread love and vedic wisdom but never looted and never made their own country flag.

    but Islam demanded frequently another land for Muslims after couple of years living on any land of this world. Because, they are selfish.

    Greek’s Army invaded India before Muslims, so, Aleksandra the Great took Indian Shastras by his Ship to Greece 2000 years ago but still Vedas survived in India.

    British colony ruled over India from 1857 to 1947. Finally India got independence in 1947.

  • Muslims invaded India with their major purpose of spreading their Religion ISLAM- yet Hindus are survived with their Vedas till Today.

    Muslims did whatever they could do in past to destroy Vedic Notion and their people by saying Idol believers(Bootparst) but they could not make whole of India as Islam; instead, still Vedas survive in India.

    Muslims tried their best to represent their namely & hollow Monotheism – Mohammadism to Hindus by saying we are idol believers and to weaken our faiths and disturbed the whole Indian peaceful people.

    India’s murder of Shastras/Literatures/Art/Cultures/people/priests/women/men/children/localists/rishis/saints/munis/leaders/kings all happened during Muslims rule.
    Yet Vedas survived.

    India saw many dilemmas and difficulties as Islam has never encountered yet. What ever Islam is facing problems right now, is because of Islam’s karam (action) which is being filled with Sins and one day when Sin of Islam will be filled in completely will be the end of barbaric laws.

    India never hijacked any of country’s land yet India is happy within its own left over land and Vedas.

  • Dear Brother Abdullah,

    Now we come to the original point of destroying all copies of Vedas and Quran into Sea as you said in your above post.

    Only each of us has one copy of Vedas and one copy of Quran, right!

    Please note India has already undergone this TEST PROCESS which is similar to one you said above but difference is only Sword Waves instead of Sea Waves.
    Please see under:

    Let us discuss the short history of India. Though it is too long, but I would make it short.

    India was ruled over by Muslims mover over 800- 900 years (715 AD to 1707 AD), yet Vedas Survived in India, you know why?

    —- Reason— Vedas are still survived just due to the wisdom of Hindu oral recitation of Vedas of Mantras as SHRUTI.

    India has tolerated prejudices from Muslim invaders more than 60% (800-900years) length of time period of birth of Islam1400years ago.

  • Jay Maheshwary,

    Why can’t you try in Bollywood? You have very good script for making a historic movie, and definitely you will win a Oscar Award. Best of Luck.

    Abdullah

    • Great idea!
      Jay, make a film and take abdullah as a comedian. film will get oscars for best movie and abdullah will get for best comedian.

  • Even the name of Mohammed is pure Sanskrit based———– see as under:

    Moha——- in Sanskrit—— it means a follower of matter (maya) going after temporary pleasures like Janat etc or Materialist.

    Mad——– in Sanskrit——–it means drunk, to wish for, desirous, to be sleepy, to lament for materialism.

    Elah or Allah is also a Sanskrit name that in Vedic Dharma, Mother Goddess possesses 3 different names, Elah- Aka-Amba. Moreover, that at the time of Abu Sufian who was a Pandit of Shiva Temple(now Kaaba) was murdered by Mohammed destroying 360 Idols of Vedic Cultures in Shiva Temple(Kaaba) these vedic people were also famous with name of Pagans in Arab.

    You daily take the name of our Mother- Goddess –Amba who is indirectly worshipped by world’s muslims as Mata Amba or Aka or Elah Mother(Allah).

  • Quran is a mixture of Jews, Christian, and some of direct Vedic influences of verses found in Quran but indirectly camouflaged those versed by Mohammed’s own words so that no one can say that Mohammed had taken them from those groups of Brahma Gyanis who simultaneously existed in Arab. Mixture is in sense that Mohammed mentioned many stories from past of Jews and

    Christians traditionally from Jews and Jew traditionally and anciently took every thing from Brahma Gyani People from India.

    Mohammed was a Hindu (A Pagan) before he had brought a new branded religion as Islam. He was from a Kuru-vansh( over time word got corrupted as Kuresh) whose predecessors were actually from KURU family of India’s famous historical “MAHABHARATA” where after the end of Mahabharata, remaining Kuru families left Bharata and crossed the Himalayas to settle with the same Vedic religion in new lands that are now known as Arabic Areas including Egypt, Suadi-a Arab, Iraq & Iran etc.

  • Like today US and Europe as WEST are known as higher learning centers for the people of World. Similarly, India was known as EAST for a higher learning center as “TAKSHAHSHILLA UNIVERSITY ”(Now in Pakistan with altered name TAXILA) & “NALANDA UNIVERSITY” in Bihar-India thousands years ago.

    Over time, every body has forgotten their AUWQAAT.

    But Mohammed had 12 Supha Rashdin who were they? This is big question- listen Abdullah carefully, Mohammed used to take advices from them and he learnt from the same group of Brahma Gyani People as the Vedas as those in his own locality and mixed many of his own ideas for his own people’s convenience which is now Quran and Hadiths.

  • So, only a Brhama Gyani man knew in that age, how importance of Shruti- Oral recitation in Vedic religious rituals is in the world than any body. Since, Jesus learnt “BRAHMA GYAN” from Kashmiri Hindus, pls visit the site of “LOST YEARS OF JESUS CHRIST” ( the years he led in India’s Northern Kashmir with Hindu Pundits were 18 years of his life).

    Mohammed never came to India, how sure you say like that. But It is sure that many of indigenous and learned people of India used to visit to Middle East, Egypt, Greece, Asia Minor (Turkey) time after time and these groups of Brahma Gyani did not visit not for the purpose of making them Vedantic but only to provide them JIV GYAN- a knowledge of Vidas. They never made their Flag capturing and conquering other’s lands. If they had wanted, they would have made whole world VEDIC but they were generous people unlike barbaric Muslims.

  • Since, Eshwar knows that “SHRUTI (Hearing oral recitation) is only a way to preserved Vedas in its Original Form. That’s why, those Sapta Rishies(7 Rishis) who “HEARD” the VEDAS from every Corner of Universe while they sat in long meditation of Austerity in the lap of Himalayas in various places and they heard this divine Vedas through the FORMLESS DIVINE BEING as with the Sound of “OM”. “OM is not a Word or Letter but a “SOUND” and Sound relates with SPEECH- SHRUTI and Shrutis are VEDAS (Verbal Recitations). Vedas are not man-made, they were only heard to have been preserved till TODAY through Shrut- a Verbal act of Hindus.

    My dear friend, even Judaism and Christianity learnt up the way of reciting their verses from ancient Vedic Brahma Gyani People. As due to a very nature of their own scriptures were actually from VEDAS through ancient Vedic Brahma Gyani Muni-Rishies.

  • Tradition of reciting Mantras orally has always been a strong in VEDIC CULTURE as old as 12000 years.

    Astronomical time period of Vedas shows 10.8 Millions old.

    Naturally and Universally Vedas are ever FRESH with no specific time.

    They are absolute, unchangeable, irrevocable, impossible to re create.

    Vedas are repeated by Super Natural Divine Being just as upon each creation and annihilation of Universes.

    Vedas are Eternal Principals of Spiritual Being created for Human Beings to lead life accordingly.

  • @ Abdullah, since you were a Hindu earlier, how much of Vedas did you learn ? what made you reject vedas and accept Islam ( I am sure you dont know arabic , just like me) how come you know a foreign book better than something which your accesstors have been following…. how come a ex hindu accepts a Human Mortal ( Mr Mohammed) as a supreme authority, How come the other Abrahamic personalities liks Adam, Moses, Jesus loose relevance compared to Mr Mohammed…… Most important Abrahamic God looks very stupid who kept on sending messengers and his messengers kept on loosing the messages ( about 750000 messengers plus ) and sorry to say even the Last messenger god chose was a illiterate who could not even write down messages from the supreme almighty……looks like God deliberately wants his messages to be lost, corrupted or is their a human play in telling other messages were corrupted mine is right?……..if I were you abdullah I would have rather remained hindu or become atheist cause either i belive god or dont belive but beliving in Humans specially with loose charaters is the last thing i want to do on earth.

    • Dear Brother Abdullah,

      You said that if we get all copies of Quran and Vedas sunk into Sea and after that you will keep a copy of Quran with you and one copy of Vedas we will keep with us.
      In this way no further copies of both will exist in the World. Isn’t it? Sure!

      Before I tell you something about History of India in view of Test on Vedas’ Oral Preservation up to now, I would throw some lights on below points:

      You might have heard Sanskrit words——— “SHRUTI” & “SMRITI”.

      Shruti means Heard within Brain/Heart.
      Smriti means remembered within library/Literatures/books.

      Shruti has had importance in Vedic Culture since a long time. You know why? Hearing of Mantras of Vedas belong to proper “PRONUNCIATION” but a writing never provides you that much accuracy in accent.

  • Abdullah Brother the most brilliant Muslim of India APJ Abdul Kalam has accepted Hinduism and following Vedic life style Vegetarianism and Brahamacharya and the examples you have given of some pandits nobody even knows them whereas everbody knows Kalam and other thing you have forgotten is Vedas are preserved through Oral recitations not through book format so even if you throw all Vedas many people will recreate it in original format.

    • Abdullah I forgot to ask you there are 2 Hafiz one Shia Hafiz and second Sunni Hafiz if we throw Koran in sea which Koran will be reproduced Shia or Sunni Koran.

  • Do you think what Agniveer and his team written is correct and we Muslims world need to accept those false allegations? Let us have a small test which is the word of GOD and which one is false.

    Let us throw all Qur’an and Vedas into sea, except keep a copy of Qur’an with you and copy of Vedas with us. Now Muslims don’t have Qur’an with them and Hindus don’t have Vedas with them.

    Now you make the copy of the Vedas as it is by taking help of your Pandits of world and check with Vedas we have. We also make the copy of Qur’an by taking help of our Huffas and you can check with the Qur’an you have. Let us agree whichever books comes into exist exactly as it is without having a single word mistake is the book of GOD.

    You will never be able to do this? Since there is no single person in this world who knows Vedas completely. At the same time we have millions of Qur’an Huffaz, who can make millions of copies of Qur’an as it is without a single word mistake and you can check it with the copy of Qur’an you have.

    I will give you time till Qayamat to bring a single person who can read Vedas completely without seeing and without a single mistake. Will you able to do that?

    Think before making any false allegations. What Agniveer and his team writes don’t have any value and we Muslims don’t care for their false allegations.

    One of your Famous Pandit who convert to Islam.

    Acharya Sanjay Dwivedi converts to Islam!

    http://o3.indiatimes.com/converts/archive/2006/12/04/2855504.aspx

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPdts-pxukc

    Abdullah.

  • Brother Jay Maheshwary,

    I am really sorry to say you that Muslims have nothing to do with YOGA. Since the way of praying Salah (Namaz). we came to know through only Prophet Muhammad(SAW). And note that Prophet Muhammad(SAW) never visit India anytime in his life. Also note that Qur’an was not copied from Bible or from Jews. Qur’an tells us that these books are corrupted. But Qur’an talks about four books mentioned by name, Jubur, torah, Injeel and Qur’an, But these books Jubur, Torah and Injeel does not exist today. If Qur’an copied from Bible and Judaism, then please note that Qur’an rejects the divinity of Jesus.

    You are still not clear in realizing GOD and i know you will never able to realize. But we Muslims believe in GOD and he is one, and we reject associating partners to him. But in your case it is different, you have given very big equation, which a common person not able understand or digest. Bcas you mix your own formula in it, but there is nothing like that in that verse. Also note that Shri Krishna is not a GOD.

    See what Shri Krishna saying to Arjuna.

    tam eva saranam gaccha
    sarva-bhavena bharata
    tat-prasadat param santim
    sthanam prapsyasi sasvatam

    SYNONYMS

    tam–unto Him; eva–certainly; saranam–surrender; gaccha–go; sarva-bhavena–in all respects; bharata–O son of Bharata; tat-prasadat–by His grace; param–transcendental; santim–in peace; sthanam–abode; prapsyasi–you will get; sasvatam–eternal.
    TRANSLATION

    O scion of Bharata, surrender unto Him utterly. By His grace you will attain transcendental peace and the supreme and eternal abode.

    Shri Krishna is not telling that by my grace you will attain peace, but through him (Supreme GOD).

    I don’t what kind of Gyan you are looking for? Qur’an clearly tells us what is to follow and what is prohibited. And how to live in every aspect of life. And Hadith of Prophet supports us additional knowledge.

    The better we have is that we realize that GOD is one and alone we should worship and follow him. But for you there is big confusion though the verse posted by Agniveer did not make any sense for you. It is a clear cut message, if you take it practically and follow. We don’t mix GOD and ourselves and the universe all in one. But we believe everything created by GOD and we need to follow what he ordered us, and that is the meaning of Muslim.

    Muslim means one who submits his will to the will of GOD. We already attain a higher level of knowing GOD and we don’t need any kind of YOGA practice. If some pakistan people are following YOGA, Go and stop them. Do you see any Pakistani doing Surya Namaskar?

    Brother, we don’t need any copy material, we got the revelation directly from creator.

    Abdullah.

  • So, remember, this is a global computer age and we should not let any Muslims chance to represent our practices in the name of Islam as it is happening right now on TV Channels like Dr. Moizuddin with Reki and Yogi Wajahat on Indus TV Channel.

    Jai Sri Ram! Jai Sri Krisna!

    best regards,
    Jay Maheshwary.

  • Be Careful all Hindu Brothers that no Muslim should explain our Vedic Wisdom under their brand name of Islam. We Hindus don’t mind if one Muslim takes advantages and benefits from YOGA SCIENCE and we don’t mind if one Muslim learns it. We are open it for them. Even we don’t want them to be Hindu as a term for being Muslim.

    While teaching this eternal gyan, should not represent our wisdom in the name of Islam but they must represent with thier original roots of Vedic Dharma/Sanatan Dharam/Hinduism.

    Many people in Europe and America think, this is merely an exercise way but most of the people now realizing it is something else which Hindu Vedic Wisdom.

    Because whatever wisdom, contains in Quran is also the copy past of Vedic Verses back in time, while at the time of Mohammed. Because Mohammed took all those verses especially from Judaism and Christianity and they both took from ancient Vedas which now they have also forgotten.

  • Like Dr. Moizuddin is known as Mind Scientist in Pakistan and coming on TV shows and what he says all about are tips of Yogic perception of doing action in order disciplinary orders, but he explains it with different name that is Reki but he never says that this Reki is actually ancient discovery of Vedic Muni- Rishis/Sant/Mahatamas. He never say on TV, it belongs to Hinduism, instead of this, they are explaining deliberately from their Quranic and Hadith verses which is not justification with Hindus.

    After couple of centuries, they will surely include in their Quran and will try to demolish Hinduism through the same stolen wisdom knowledge of Vedic Culture as weapon on to Hindus that we are IDOL worshippers. Today I am saying, If all Hindus are Idol worshippers then why do these Muslims enjoy with their essence of Yogic practices and why don’t they regard it with Hindus.

    Because all Muslims all over the world, they change their Quran and Hadiths in order to make people convince easily towards Islam no matter whether by hook, crook, science, money, showing weaknesses of other’s religions & by stolen other’s wisdom. They are told to spread Islam by Mohammed but Mohammed never taught them to spread Spiritual Gyan, by which love spreads, but what Mohammed taght them, by which only fanatic and war spread over this mother earth.

  • You know why I am telling this. Because there is a Pakistani Channel named as Indus TV.

    Where a person- Yogi Wajahat teaches Yoga Asana on this TV channel to Pakistani Muslims by questioning and answering through telephone and showing Tips of Yoga asanas but He never says to people on TV that it is an ancient science of India. He never says that this Yoga asan I am teaching is actually an essence of Hinduism/Vedic Dharma.

    Instead of this, he tries to explain Yoga Asana through Quranic ways, every thing is copied what Yoga of Hinduism yet he shows a contribution of Islam not Hinduism.
    Whereas this is all pertaining to Hinduism- why?—this plundering of our Vedic Wisdom.

    As I live in Pakistan, I have seen, many Muslims professionally adopting this VEDIC SCIENCE OF YOGIC PRACTICES and teaching many people in Karachi with the different brand name as Murakbad and Reki.

  • What are the steps to attain real spiritual salvation must be taken from Quran. But just don’t tell us tradition faith of Quran / Islam that one just gets Janat by praying 5 times a Nimaz with the faith of believing in prophet-centered and his Allah. Such as keeping faith, Allah is one and alone worshiped but Mohammed is the last prophet of Allah. This, I don’t want, because just praying to God 5 times a daily is simply a “KARAMKKHAND” which leads only to Planet Swarug- Janat (Heaven) but not Liberation. Attaining JANAT PLANET is not a Salvation, brother. Salvation means, experience of Eternal Supreme Being thorugh Dyana Practiceds with Self-esteem Controlling your all unnecessary desires and that Salvation or Liberation can only be obtained after breaking down the Cycle of Birth and Death and after this, you will eternally remain in the abode of God and will not need to take birth again and again, but from Janat, you will have to come back to this Birth and Death Planet- Earth.

  • You know Abdullah, never say that Eshwar / Allah exists no where. It does exist every where, say like that.

    Your utterance reminds atheism like Atheists define God.

    If Dr. Zakkir Naik and people like you describe Eshwar / Allah in the way of Atheist, then certainly, Islam is Atheism (Nastika) not Monotheism unlike our Vedas explains omnipresent & omniscient which is Pure Monotheism.

    Because while a Muslim prays the Nimaz, by his act, he makes God disappear only by uttering
    Arabic verses, he doesn’t understand even what he is reciting. In addition to this, a Muslim has no way to understand Spirituality during their prayers.

    I have asked you many times in my above posts, Abdullah, please tell me what are the ways of understanding the ATMAN GYAN or SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT from your Quran and Hadiths. But you never answer my question.

    But please never steal, copy and mingle the ways from Vedic (Hinduism) about Spirituality like
    Asana(postures), Dherna(concentration), Dyana(meditation), activating disc Chakras 7 physical and 7 Astral. I want you to give us spiritual understanding of God from Quran.

  • Dear Abdullah Brother,

    As you said in one of your statements from your above posts which I have mentioned as it is as under:

    It clearly says that GOD does not exist in everywhere and in all.

    Up to now, I am sure; you must have read my above posts about existence of Eshwar.

    But you mistook the understanding of Verses from Bhagwat Geeta that God does not exist in every where.

    You have only seen the translation from word to word, but what philosophy is hidden in the words spoken by Sri Krisna is as under:

    Actually Bhagwan Krisna says to Arjuna that Every thing is in Me but I am not in every thing.

    That does not mean, God does not exist every where.

    It means Krisna is not in Universe but Universe is in Krisna. While Universe is in Krisna it means, Krisna is every point of space even a far smaller than an atom. Like I explained you giving example of your Body.

  • Please study Quantum Mechanics; you will know your answer. Particle is Dual and non Dual too .

    He Who is nothing but every thing.

    Now just take nothingness from above line and see as under:

    Nothingness means Zero———— Zero figure is infinite, eternal, absolute.

    Every thing means all —————- all again means Eternal.

    Where is ONE God in above Line?

    One God possesses sense of limitation.

    When we say ONE GOD, we will have to define Second God also, if figure 1 is there then Second God must exist and third God as well and so on many more.

    Zero is a STANDARD LEVEL like under:

    Descending -4-5-4-3-2- 1 (0) +1+ 2 + 3 + 4 Ascending so on;

    God can be at any figure out of above like Temperature(Heat Energy) is found different in various regions of Earth though Temperature can be 0 degree yet it is called temperature, though temperature can be 1, though it is called temperature, temperature can be 37 degree thought it is still called Temperature.

    God can not be measured based on one FIXED Figure— Either Zero or 1 or 2 or 3 even 33 Gods and Goddesses.

    One is also God, 0 is also God, 33 is also God and multi faceted is also God

    That’s why, Bhagwan Krisna emphasizes every time in Bhagwat Geet to Arguna that I am every thing. Please see verses from Bhagwat Geeta;

    Chapter 7, Verse 6
    Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both its origin and dissolution.

    Chapter 7, Verse 8
    O son of Kunti [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.

    Jai Sir Ram! Jai Sri Kisna!

    Danaywad!

    Jay Maheshwary
    From Pakistan.

  • Dear Abdullah Brother,

    Please study FIVE ELEMENTS (Panchi Karan) in details as given in Indian Shastras, you will know how beautifully this physical body described in relation with Microcosm and Macrocosm.

    Then, learn ATAMAN GYAN which is ETERNAL GYAN in and out of Universe.

    Before we understand Eshwar / Allah directly, we must understand our BODY/SELF.
    This is the correct way of loving God.

    BODY is the first LADDER, of which a human starts journey of Spirituality. Though, body is matter but a good start to know Eshwar or Allah.

    Specially a Human Body wherein God can be realized.

    If a person does not understand his BODY or his “SELF” then he would never know God.

    Chanting names of God, every other person does in every religion is not a proper Devotion to God, Pure devotion requires intellect and control over Body not only reciting.

    You know Abdullah, as you are repeating the quote of Vedas as Mr. Agniveer displayed on front page from Yajurveda 40.8.

    Since, you know very well that we know God is ONE. You also know, in spite of this, we believe in many or IDOLS.

  • Please also see other verses from Bhagwat Geeta as under:

    Chapter No.4 and Verses Nos.7 & 8.

    Verse# 7
    Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion–at that time I descend Myself.

    Verse# 8
    In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.

  • For your 2nd objection as you said in your above post, please see as under:

    When Eaaswar is Unborn, how you can say that Eaaswar is taking birth in every Yuga?

    Please see Chapter No. 9 and Verse No. 11 from Bhagwat Geeta:
    avajananti mam mudha
    manusim tanum asritam
    param bhavam ajananto
    mama bhuta-mahesvaram
    SYNONYMS
    avajananti–deride; mam–Me; mudhah–foolish men; manusim–in human form; tanum–body; asritam–assuming; param–transcendental;bhavam–nature; ajanantah–not knowing; mama–Mine; bhuta–everything that be; maha-isvaram–the supreme proprietor.

    Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.

  • So, you carry all above inferior and superior attributes of matter and soul within your BODY but your BODY is not in them.
    Now you can say that I am every where or you can say, I exist in every above point because they contain within me, even you can feel pain and pleasure if any thing goes wrong within your body simultaneously.

    Both belong to ABDULLAH, similarly entire manifestations and un manifestations belong to Supreme Eshwar/Allah.

    Same as above verse explains at 9:4 in Bhagwat Geeta— All beings are in Me ( All above are in ABDULLAH)
    Same as above verse explains at 9:4 in Bhagwat Geeta—But I am not in them.( But ABDULLAH is not in them)

  • They both discuss that how we can experience ABDULLAH. Although they are inside of you, they can never see you (Supreme Being) perfectly, even after death as waste products.

    This is a big question for both of bacteria. So, we are limited bacteria in the big picture of this vast Universe like our body for bacteria.

    Your Body (Abdullah) actually contains- both manifested forms and un-manifested forms. I tell you how just see as under:

    Manifested Forms
    Stool (Solid Drainage) – Solid Matter
    Urine (Liquid Drainage) – Liquid Matter
    Air (Carbon dioxide- Gas Drainage) – Gas Matter
    Blood Vessels include Pure Water (Mother-Ganga)— Pure Air(Oxygen)— Pure Nutrients etc which produce Energy to Physical Body.
    Stool and Urine substitute earthly Canal of drainages (Gaters)
    Blood Vessels substitute Canals of all Drinking water as Rivers and Salts water as Oceans because blood contains both sugar and salt.
    Our Brain contains electrical impulses occur every second substitutes thundering light.
    Our whole body is identical to whatever matter exists in and out of universe. Our body is pure Universal and Universe but it is to be discovered.

    Un manifested Forms
    Emotions/Anger/Happiness
    Mind
    Intellect
    Concentration
    Meditation
    Consciousness
    Soul

  • Dear Abdullah my Brother, my Friend,

    You are right, the Chapter-9; Verse# 4 where Bhagwan Krisna says to Devotee Arjuna in Bhagwat Geeta.

    By Me, in My un manifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

    I make you understand what exactly above verse means; please just look at the last two clauses of above verse & think deeply i.e.

    All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

    Now let me discuss it further to shed light on it.

    Suppose: You are a BODY———- Only ONE BODY——- OK.

    Now, for a while, consider this BODY contains entire Universe———— OK, don’t worry just suppose.

    There are TWO BACTERIAS residing in your BODY and discussing YOU (ABDULLAH) as Supreme Being.

  • Brother Jay Maheshwary ,

    I think it is very difficult to know Eaaswar for you people forever. The way you are expressing about Eaaswar is difficult for a common man to understand. And 100% of people don’t have time to know about Eaaswar, you are calling people towards an impossible way. This is the reason 100% of Hindus are following false ways. Agniveer explained clearly about Eaaswar on this site.

    He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always.He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)

    I still wonder why you people instead of knowing that Eaaswar is One still worshiping 330 million Gods. When Eaaswar is formless, how you create image or Idol of Eaaswar and worship that Idol? When Eaaswar is Unborn, how you can say that Eaaswar is taking birth in every Yuga? You are mixing good with bad. Separate them and see, how Perfect the GOD is.

    Don’t tell Eaaswar exist everywhere. The power of Eaaswar exists every where but not the Eaaswar.

    See what Bagavad gita 9:4 say:

    maya tatam idam sarvam
    jagad avyakta-murtina
    mat-sthani sarva-bhutani
    na caham tesv avasthitah

    SYNONYMS

    maya–by Me; tatam–spread; idam–all these manifestations; sarvam–all; jagat–cosmic manifestation; avyakta-murtina–unmanifested form; mat-sthani–unto Me; sarva-bhutani–all living entities; na–not; ca–also; aham–I; tesu–in them; avasthitah–situated.
    TRANSLATION

    By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

    It clearly says that GOD does not exist in everywhere and in all.

    Don’t make Eaaswar complicate to others, that is the reason why people running away from Hindus and converting to Christians and Muslims and various other religions.

    Abdullah

    • @Abdullah : you are a good guy with deficient understanding,that is all..
      obviously the “I” that you mention without understanding what it actually means, is not a form.An individual created being cannot house the “Entire” manifest and un-manifest (as ishwar is sat, chit and anand ie.truth,existence and bliss), he just imparts it to its creation which is by the ishwar.
      it is to be realized that one is permeated by ISHWAR both inside and outside(and this is applicable to all creation) to be one with him, but it would not mean that the being contains the ISHWAR.
      No one makes it complicated, it is simple, one just has to understand.

      Om Tat sat

  • Dear Brother Deepak, Nimastay .

    Yes, there are hundreds of Hindus living adjacent to me and it is so ancient region that our Hindus brothers are residing in a large numbers.

    I would definitely show them this site so that they can speak their minds as well at Agniveer.com Site.

    • Thanks Jay Maheshwary Brother It will be great help to us, Pakistani Hindus should blog in Indian blogs and tell us how they are sticking to their Vedic Dharma even after threat to their life and Property it easy to stick to Vedic Dharma in positive conditions but sticking to Vedic Dharma even under most adverse conditions is very great thing.

      • Dear Brother Deepak,

        I appreciate, you have welcomed HINDUS from Pakistan to write something about our Vedic Dharma on this brilliant site of Sri Agniveer Jee.

        I will definitely tell them to write their views about themselves and our Dharma.

        I have several Hindu friends who are very much interested to know our Vedic Dharma and this is good thing that due to computer age, our Hindu Brothers have taken the advantage of it and they have launched many sites and commentaries on internet that help us a lot to know Sanatana Dharma and so as to let other people know what our Dharma is.

        That our Dharma is not Polytheism but a Monotheism if one studies deeply, he will find the both edges of God (One in Many & Many in One) as Perfect Accomplished Eternal Dharma. Every thing origins of Sanatana.

        Islam only teaches one aspect of God which only shows the path of disappearance and seems atheism. This is only in saying that Islam is Monotheism but actually in practices all Muslims do only KARAMKHAND, they don’t have any Spiritual back ground in their religion Islam.

  • We never condemn any of believing ways and never hurt any one how one believes.

    We believe in God/Eshwar, as he is every thing and every where but we don’t stick how He is worshiped.

  • so realizing God and understanding of Universal Consciousness, one has to go through Steps that only India knows alone.

    We Hindus are one side believing in Statues/ Idols and on the other side, Vedas are discussing
    Quantum Physics.

    Today’s science says the same statement which scientists found in lab about matter duality which is very weird, untested, untold and unexplainable, so the same statement has been said by various Rishies from India long before Quantum mechanics those who realized God during their austerity that one can not explain what HE is. He Who can not be explained but experienced only as it happens with scientists in laboratory materialistically while a rishi reaches God by spiritually.
    .

  • There is no salvation steps given in Quran and Hathis. Only to pray five times a day without understanding your inner Self is not a significant mark of liberation.

    Even steps you use through Nimaz is a Suraynimaskaar and Mother Earh Nimaskaar which you borrowed from Abrahmic religion of Jews and Jews borrowed from Brahama Gyani Group of people as Muni-Rishi who were indigenous from India residing in Arabia thousands of years ago and taught them Vedic Spiritual Yoga Science but over the time, it has been shrunk to only few steps including Vijrasana (good for digestion) & suranimaskar which is now known as Nimaz, was once (Nima-yagna) name corrupted over time and now you have forgotten your previous ancestral Dharma.

    You can compare your each step of your Nimaz with Yoga Steps that are 84 asanas actually borrowed one neither created by Mohammed nor Jews. You will find very similarity. Though you perform only few of steps during Nimaz but we have complete set of asana and many other steps of mundaras.

    Now your Nimaz is only in the form of ayats verbalization which are hollow steps unless a true Guru tells you how to sit in Padmasana with Dyan Mudra and one must take breath in balance from your both left and right nostrils which will provide pure matured oxygen to awake your inner senses of disc rotating chakras which only lead you finally realizing your SELF and then God.

    The way you pray Nimaz is only one sided of excerise pruposes you use.

    But according to Sanatana Dharma, all steps of Yoga Science are not meant to excercise but to realize who you are, whee you came from, why you are born again and over again.

    God can be realized in second if once purely sit in meditation calm and quiet not necessary he does five times Nimaz daily.

    God can not be realized even in hundred of years if one only recites Verses from Vedas like Muslims recites ayats from Quran fluently.

  • Dear Abdullah Brother,

    you are still very lucky living in India, at least you people can raise your voices against what is being oppressed to you in India. But I am sure, deliberately no Hindu harms and hurts you in India, unless you fight them.

    A Hindu always supports other religions and respect all scriptures of Allah. But you Muslims even doubt if we say, name of Bhagwan or if we read any Sanskrito Verses from Bhagwat Geeta, then whole of your faith would be in vain and you will have to revive your faith again as Muslim.
    This is is the mentality of educated GM of our company.

    We Hindu never care where and what we japa or call the name of God, but we have our own understanding of Supreme Being by any name by any form, by any creature, we can pray to HIM. Because God is omnipresent and He dwells where He is prayed. What we also believe that He also dwells where He is not prayed even.

    He dwells where He is not even called what we believe. God is not a personal property of one group or sect of people. Did you hear from Hindu, that all Muslims who are non Hindu will go to Hell for ever, No never.

    We never consider any beings inferior unlike Muslims. Who the Hell are we to tell people if not accept Sanatana, will go to ever burning Fire of Hell. Then why do Muslims keep this thinking?

  • Greatness of any religion is not measured by saying some of fearing words from Allah and greediness as loly pops for the attraction of Mayavi Janat.

    But greatness of any Dharma is measured by the fact of genuine Atamanan Gyan which is foundation of Spirituality.

    Speaking the truth, helping feeble people, giving goods and money as charity, feeding poor, supporting sick people, doing all welfare works are COMMON TERMS in all religions of world.

    But unique is ATAMAN GYAN which Quran does not possess. So, every mulsim requires this understanding of JIV ATAMAN GYAN to save this world from filthy intension of barbaric religion.

  • We Hindus never say even a muslim to be Hindu in practical working life.

    But why a mulsim says to other non mulsim, the reason very nature of teaching of Mohammed teaches that every human must be muslim. If a muslim does not spread Islam and does not make any other mulsim, he will get bad consequence as curse from Allah.

    I have read QUran and i have got a copy of translated Quran and I went through Quran and found
    no GYAN is mentioned in your Quran except Fear of Allah and previous Jews and Christians and wars amongs them.

    I am repeating again dear Abdullah, tell me, WHERE IS ATMAN GYAN IN QURAN, as explained and enlightened in the Indian Scriptures, could you please give me some of steps how a human realize Self to God, what are meditative steps, does your Quran cover?

    What is difference between consciousness and Atama (ROOH)?

    How do you understand your ALLAH, whether He intervenes in daily affairs of human lives or not?

  • Dear Abdullah Brother,

    I live in the building where a complete family of Hindu by beating and threatening of lives converted to Islam in front of me. They bate his wife and children while he went to work.

    Thousands of Hindu girls abducted in Karachi by Mulsims with this notion that they will marry and make them Muslims, will obtain a place in Janat as per Islam.You know what, ultimately, many of girls were not protected by Muslims who abducted and married them by force as NIKA, all judiciaty accompanied that Muslims and after marrying them and after few months, Muslims parents don’t accept those of Hindu girls who were abducted and married by their reprobated sons and after few months of marrying they sell those girls in prostitution markets and girls now nether go to parents nor live in societies. I am really saying truth which is happening in Pakistan and most of the cases are not highlighted on media screen even.

    I am the person who knows my Dharma and I reason every Muslims not to force and convince me I am OK wherever I am but still this is open attach on me I don’t know it may happen to me at any time in future. We are

    because you know why. I and many other Hindus living in Pakistan COMPROMISE with Muslims to bear them with their Islamic theory.

    I am safe until I compromise with Muslims here. If I don’t compromise then they will kill me or adopt Islam to save me and my family.

    I am not an alive example due to the compassion of Islam but I am victimized many times like others but I am saved by chance and I have no guarantee that any time, I may have attach from them to adopt islam by force.

    this has been the history of Muslims and Talibans are alive examples of repeating history of barbaric religion of Islam. They have entered Karachi city and trapping every one time by time, when it will reach peak, we may have been no more. We are here on needle point. no matter today we are safe God knows what will happen to us that we fear. So we compromise and fear from Muslims not from your God.

    • Jay Maheshwary sorry to hear your plight if you have anymore Hindu friends in Pakistan show them this site and allow them to speak their plight in islamic countries we do not get to know about the plight of our Hindus Brothers in Pakistan because of the pseudosecularist media in India. Contrary to our Hindus Brothers pathetic condition in Muslim pakistan country how these Muslims are enjoying in our country HINDU RASHTRA is the only solution and we should kick out Muslims from India or convert them to Hinduism (Vedic Dharma)

      • Deepak I agree with the sympathizing with Jay, but disagree with kicking out Muslims from India or convert them to Hinduism…A person becomes hindu by deeds and only good deeds so I would recommend all the muslims to watch actions of hindus everyday, every minute and I am sure they will surely one day give up false lolly pops of heavens , virgins etc.. and understand the true nature of God/Peace/Love and revert to hinduism..

        I was reading the life of Mohammed , he was hating the idol worship since his childhood ( much before he became prophet , one of the reasons i feel is his idol gods did not save his parents and he was orphan very early in his life) and this hatred and since he was travelling for business he obviously have heard about jesus/bible/Abraham and he saw an oppurtunity of vastly divided Arabs to unite under a common god. Now which God was a choice he had to make as there were 360 + Gods in Arab during that time. it was simple Mohammed’s father’s name was Abdulla ( slave of Allah) so he chose Allah. otherwise probably it could have been any of those 360 Gods during that time :).

      • Dear Deepak- my brother I feel your sympathy even so far from you and thanks for that.

        I understand your position after you have learnt my story.

        On the other hand, I would also excuse & would agree with Pradeep. We should not act like Muslims have been doing since the day Mohammed plundered Shiva Temple where now Kaab is situated.

        We should not kick any of Muslims out from India. This is their right to live as they have been born and now it is our responsibility to take care of them and their families. As they are minority in India.

        I understand how a minority feels pain, remaining in other strange country. Vedic Dharma teaches us to feel other’s pain to realize what yours one.

        Today we are much better treating Humans all over the world than Muslims.

        We should spoil our Dharma. We give assurance to all Muslims that we must give them every thing as long as they live in India, no matter how they ruined our Art & Culture thourgh out history.

        India is not only country but also a Soul of this Earth.

      • @Pradeep you maybe right but the problem is there are more than 20 crores Muslim and millions of Bangladeshi Muslims are pouring in our country apart from that Muslim Organizations like Deobandis are dreaming of creating Islamic Country out of India and hosting islamic flag in Red Fort and to teach everybody Vedic Dharma will take another 1000 years by that time their population will be tripled and Hindus will become minority in their own country. Undue Kindness shown by Prithviraj Chauhan to Ghauri became the cause of rape of many Hindu woman and murder of many Hindu men and children. Mosquito neutralized in bud will save an epidemic.

      • @ Deepak , those statistics do not take into account of numerous islamic radicals killing each other, Sunnis kill shias etc etc…. Mr Mohammed ensured that killings will continue and these islamic radicals will end up killing each other say within next 1000 years , rest of the good muslims by then would realise the true motive of mohammed and revert to their original roots ” the vedas”. I was reading some religious stats yesterday , there are many more offshoots of Islam like bahai faith which is growing faster than sunni and shia, I am sure sunni and shias will be planning to counter them.

        these sunnis and shias has already started in India too, I have 5 muslim friends and during a causual discussion they showed their hatred to Shias and some of them dont want to travel to HYD as HYD is dominated by shias. I hope these guys go out of India to fight their holy wars and if somebody survives it and wants to return to roots of vedas are welcome back else we would donate them to Pakistan along with few billion dollars

  • Hinduism does not bet any body to be Hindu first to realize unlike Islam.

    But it always opens without any bound, terms, frontier, veil, barrier, community, caste etc.

    I don’t urge you to do what I tell you is right. But once you try, don’t read our scripture which you think will misguid you.

    But you just sit in meditation and only breathe as easy as you can, don’t think any thing, don’t hear any thing, don’t reicte or Japa any thing, don’t imagine any thing.

    Only you think, I am not this body but a soul, you will realize a peace, peace, peace, joy, joy, joy and all problems will come to end, my friend.

  • Brother Jay Maheshwary,

    You are not in a position to decide what is right and what is wrong. I have given you choice to decide the Salvation way of Vedas and Qur’an. Let you decide to follow whichever way you like.

    Muslims never force anyone to convert to Islam. You have given wrong information. You are living in Pakistan, how come you are still a Hindu? Did Muslims over there tried to force you convert to Islam? I wonder how come still you are alive there? If Prophet Muhammad(SAW) forcibly converted people of Arabia into Islam, how come you are still a Hindu living in a Muslim country? You are the best and living example. This itself clearly confirms us that Muslims never forces anyone to accept Islam nor kill anyone if they did not convert to Islam.

    The Holy Qur’an contains full of wisdom and good teachings for a person to live in peace and harmony. I think you might have not read the Qur’an. Go and ask any Moulana over there and check with him and ask whatever doubts you have about Islam and clear the misunderstandings you have. That is the best way to know the truth about Islam.

    Think over Salvation way I have given you.

    Abdullah.

  • dear Abdullah Brother!

    Come out of this false day dream of JANAT and see what inside of you is really God conceals in you, He watches you, He hears you, He helps you, He loves you, so just try to sit calm and quiet you will find very joyful experience my dear.

    i am not saying you must embrace Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma. Be Muslim but try to see what inside of you. Inside you is real Universe floating on the plane of Spirituality which is really real and
    different from one we have adopted.
    This is like a quantum while a boy plays animating game on computer is like the same way all we see and experience in this world are imaginary waves pulsing every time and giving the sense of touching matter is only our perception. But real touch comes out from only your inner seed.

  • The evidences are here where I live. Many of Hindus temples were destroyed after partition 1947. I went many places in Karachi old city where I still live.

    I find myself which shows the symbol of “OM” constructed at galleries and balkani which they tried to destroy as now living Muslims in those of houses once they were the houses of Hindus actually.

    My dear friend, can you ask the king of Saud-e-Arab to allow Hindu to visit Kaaba. He will never allow which seems a distinguish between Muslims and rest of humans on this earth. Please correct your notions for humanity and don’t live only for Muslims on this earth, live for animals too,live for plants too, live for saving waters and atmosphere of this earth peacefully and let others live peacefully.

    • dear brother Abdullah,

      This is what your Quran teaches you every time “FEAR: else you will be put into everlasting Hell.

      Do you think, this gyan is enough for running humanity just only to accept Islam otherise a man will get very bad consequence after death.

      This is only you are teaching us FEARISM. Islam is non but only FEARISM and NEPOTISM OF MOHAMMED AND YOUR CREATED ALLAH.

      Tell me where is ATMAN GYAN in yoru QURAN, tell me a single steps of Spirituality with Body and Mind Control.

      Don’t repeat your so called sentences of believing in one God so what we believe in one GOD since long time ago not becasue of Islam but because of VEDAS TEACHINGS.

      Don’t repeat scary story of HELL after death. We only scare if we hurt any one from our deeds this is what we know we don’t lament for JANAT.

      From Janat, there is also a Reverse gear. JANAT is not the final destination what Mohammed taught you this is a temporary reward which a manav gets as per his/her deeds not because of Muslims. Being good devotee of Eshwar/Allah, any body can get any degree of rewards but it does not mean you have got eternal abode.

      Reality is something else which can only be felt, realized and recognized whilst a person meditates his SELF as universe and then he would realize God. Realizing you and God is Liberation / Salvation not getting Janat only.

      .

  • But in Pakistan, we Hindus never fight Muslims and never demand any thing from the Government of Pakistan, we work hard here know if we raise our voices and stand for fighting, they will not give a second chance but will suppress us. So we Hindus in Paksitan are every time ready to compromise Muslims that is why in Pakistan very rare you will find Muslims and Hindus collisions happen.

    My purpose is not to show how bad Muslims are but I have experience personally how selfish a Muslim is. They mean only Muslim is Human and rest of people are garbage this is what your Quran teaches you.

    I am very much disappointed man out of my Hindus living in Pakistan. I cry some times because the land whereon I live was a part India some times.

  • At the moment, I work in office where all staff is Muslims but only I am one and only Hindu facing every body day to day but not fighting them just tolerating every thing.
    They keep drinking glass separate, keeping tea cup separate, not eating my food what I bring from my home. Their superstition is that I should be Muslim then I would be allow every thing what a common muslim openly does for eating an drinking. Isn’t really the caste system in Muslims.

    Necessarily I should be Muslim then I will be treated “EK SAF MAY KHRAY HOKAR NIMAZ PRAY.

    Here in India, Muslims are every time ready to fight Hindus for their demands showing as minorities then obviously collision between Hindus and Muslims will happen.

  • Brothers Sameer and Pradeep,

    Be serious in deciding your fate in this life itself. Otherwise you have to face grave consequences after death. Will i get any benefit if you go to HELL? obviously No. The only thing is to save you people from HELL fire. Think and decide before death. And we don’t know when the death angel knock our door. So brothers be serious and decide yourself.

    By Allah and the Qur’an I swear that I came from Hindu background. I came from Reddy caste.

    Abdullah

    • Bro Abdullah FYI Reddy is not a Caste its a community……..which exposes you ….our sympathies are with you for either false swearing or for not truely understanding your roots. if you need help please do let us know , I promise to help you understand your roots and try to pull you out temp heaven and temp Hell stuff….just give you some food for thoughts which will make you think right

      1) Allah initially allowed marriages between bro and sis ( Adam’s children)
      2) in Quran he bans such marriages

      which tells you that Allah is not sure of what he is doing without forseeing what he wants us to do in future ( which doesnt make him God , cause god is supposed to know everything , the past, the present and future) . when he could make adam out of clay , he could have made wives for adams kids out of clay again as he would know that in future he is not going to allow marriages between bros and sis.

      Looks like Abraham made some stories which was taken very seriously and many religions came out of it claiming mine is the true God. I honestly dont understand the theory of true and untrue gods.

    • Adullah Muslim Hell is more cool place than Muslim Heaven because in Muslim Heaven you can get only 72 virgins and wine but in Muslim Hell you can get millions of beautiful woman because all woman go to hell according to Koran and by the if anybody is interested in Muslim Heaven he does not have to wait to die he can already get this by going to red light area.

  • I was born in Pakistan but by birth I am HINDU and very much concerned with my Dharma. Even though during my school life, I found many times, Muslim friends urged me to accept Islam.

    I asked my father since I was too young, school going boy; my friends are telling me to accept Islam. Then my father told me Indian philosophy is every thing in and out of Universe. He further taught me that I should not go after temporary pleasures of JANAT, he emphasized me to understand YOGA SCIENCE which is the essence of our Dharma and you will one day realize what this Maya and Spirit is. So, I went to learn Swami Narain Temple at the time of Jaghatnath Festival where I purchased a magazine of Prabhupada “GO BACK TO HOME” I found we have very good understanding of KARAM YOGO spoken by Bhaghwan Krisna in Bhagawat Geeta.

    This seemed to me very logical than the concept of getting Janat by becoming Muslims. Hinduism teaches you without any condition that is purely based upon
    your “DOINGS”

    Then I keep reading all Shastras of our BHARATVERSHA and then I went to study history of India, and found, BHARATA was destroyed many time by many invaders.

    Especially Islam hurt a Bharat a lot in many ways, even then Muslims are safe to a great extent, living in India. You should be proud of Indian Gyan that you are still practicing your religion openly in India.

  • Meaning of Sanatana Dharma(Hinduism) is Eternal Universal Laws which includes PRAKRIT(Maya) as a part of Supreme Being(Spiritual Being) A True Divine Nature is Swam “ESHWAR”

    Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma) is not merely a Religion like Semitic people follow. Islam is not a DHARMA, it is just a kind of human make which only works for its own people not universally workable which seems a human army commander has made only for his own group of people’s satisfaction not for the rest of creatures of this Universe.

    Hinduism is based on LOGIC not barbaric life. Similarly it is by Nature (Prakrit) which balances every thing not only Men and Women are equal by nature but also all living and non living things altogether in Universe.

    That’s why, a single creature has to suffer and enjoy according to his / her deeds. What you soil is to be reaped is very simple logic which barbaric Muslims don’t understand.

  • It is Sanatana Dharma that gives you lands to live in Inida including Pakistan and Bangladesh. You(Muslims) fight Hindus in India but we(Hindus) don’t fight Muslims because you know why, we comprise Muslims even though they oppress Hindus in Pakistan but we never lament, cry and raise our voices for our basic rights.
    This is because of SIKHSHAH (TEACHINGS) we get from our Sanatana Dharma to live peacefully wherever you are.

    See history, it is not Islam that gives you lands to live but Islam looted lands of other regions on this earth. It is Islamic ruled imposed by Mohammed since the day
    Shive Temple Kaaba was ruined and hijacked by Mohammed and his team. Even though crores were Hindus converted to Muslims by force, by threat, by wealth, by false notion of caste or by Jasia (Gunda Tax) to torture financially and mentally. Muslims did every thing to destroy this Dharma what they could do in past but in spite of all these discriminations, still SANATANA DHARMA is ringing the bells from Canada to America to Europe to Australia. Because, it always stands for True Path.

  • Let us talk over your 2nd objection, see as under:

    India is not till India. India is Afghanistan, India is Pakistan, India is Bangladesh, India is Iran, India is Iraq (Mesopotamia), India is Tashkent, India is Egypt (Ajpat) as AKHUNDH BHARAT.

    So, please don’t consider Pakistan is a separate land, is a part of Bharatversha is a land of Sanatana Dharma.

    Don’t teach me that all people who are born within India are only called Indians so what I was born in Pakistan.

    As far as I live in Pakistan, so today I live very near to Sindu Nadi which means all people including Muslims in Pakistan must be known as Sindus or Hindus or Indians not Pakistani.

    It is our Sanatana Dharma that tolerates every thing like you in a large number of Muslims living in India more than Pakistani Muslims.

  • Where is GYAN in QURAN. Every time I have felt whenever I meet Mulsim in Pakistan, they only say, Accept Islam that is good religion but why should I accept.

    What Atman Gyan does your Quran speak. It only speaks of past history and fear of God for barbaric arabs to adopt else they will be put into Hell.

    Quran does not contain any JIV GYAN- ATMAN GYAN- INCARNATION GYAN- MEDITATIVE SELF ESTEEMED GYAN.

    This is deep Gyan which Mohammed could not understand then how come Mohammed could have taught Muslims Ummah!

  • Hinduism.

    This is a Science of God where a human (he/she) can learn how to control, body, sex, man(Mind), bhudi(intellect), chit(consciousness), ahinkar(proud), kirod(anger)
    Bukh(hunger).

    Can I ask you? Does your Quran teach you the way a Hindu is taught through Indian scriptures about how to lead life.

    Simply saying others that don’t worship Idols & Islam is only the true religion and accept it. Moreover, you said that a Muslim he/she will be put into Hell temporarily as per his deeds he/she did in past and then eternally gifted place in Heaven because ALLAH has promised Mohammed, will open the doors of Janat only for those who carry stamp and sign of Mohammed. Don’t you think, is ALLAH good justice?

  • But every Muslim is teaching other Muslims that we have to fight ALLAH’S ENEMY those who are non Muslims. This is childish way of thinking, only found in Islam.

    Muslims need to be taught Yoga Science. Yoga Science stops fanaticism and creates tolerance in you and it makes man feel what realized dharma is.

    But unfortunately, Yoga Science is neither mentioned in Quran nor taught by Mohammed to Muslims. That’s why you never consider what life is, just blow other’s body through chemical bombs in the name of Jihad is really weird way of killing people in the name of ALLAH.

    Every Muslim is wandering to satisfy every other non Muslims, accept Islam just by saying that is True Path. But how can we, when there is no GYAN and Protection of JIV, only killing and murdering people. This is insecure religion must now be changed towards tolerance through Yogo Science.

    Islam is incomplete religion should take help from Hinduism to complete its accomplishments. So, please learn it you will find such a beautiful PEACE ever in your life.

  • Yes I agree with Sameer,

    Dear Brother- Abdullah,

    Sorry, Men and Women are equal in NATURE not in ISLAM.

    Two women equal one man if evidence requires in judiciary matter in Islam.

    Flexibility allows Minimum 4 women are for one man to be married in Islam. It means degrading of women in Islam.

    So, 4 women are equal to one man. Where is your equality in Islam. Islam should not only remain in words should be in deeds also.

    Women in Islam are considered a sex machine not a human like man.

    Why can’t a woman pray the Nizmaz amongst men in Islam? The reason is very simple, Muslims are not taught how to control Kamna, Wasna, Bhudi, Man.

    They are only taught how to hate non Muslims. How to make Jihad with the enemy of ALLAH. Our Dharma says, there is no enemy of Eshwar. This is futile to think even.

  • @ Abdullah,
    looks like you are a fake ex – Hindu, can you tell us what was your orginal name with Kula and gothra info? I am sure you wont have one. please disprove me …. else all your arguements are no different from born muslims….

    and dont forget your ” Hell” for saying lies and that too by your own ” Allah”

    • Dear Pradeep,

      Thanks for yr comments to highlight his original motives which I also doubted that whatever he is writing and telling is all lies and fake like a born Muslim.

      Best regards,
      Jay.

  • The notion you carry with yourself like burning Fire into Hell for all non Muslims and Heaven for all Muslims at the doom’s day seems to be a human act of revenge for all non Muslims. This is even against of human rights in today’s world. Today, you Muslims live in a secular country and Hindus in Pakistan living in Islamic country who have no rights to practice openly our Vedic Dharma but Dr. Zakkir Naik has fully authority to spread Islam in India through Piece TV. This is the real fact, isn’t it.

    We are so compassion & tolerance than you are.

    You have taken our Lands- Pakistan- Bangladesh, yet we tolerate you.

    You have taken our Language to use in the name of Urdu, yet we tolerate you.

    You have taken our Jean (DNA), similarity in our complexes but you branded false Arabic mask over your faces, yet we tolerate you.

    You have destroyed our Indian ancient Art, Culture, temples and looted our temples and wealth as Maal-e-Ganimat, we still bear you.

    You still breathe in the valley of Indian Atmosphere. Even then you are unkind to India.

    You still live in Crores in India but very few lacks we live in Pakistan, are not treated well in Pakistan due to your barbaric Islamic religion.

    But you all are unkind to Hinduism. You must salute Hinduism for our tolerance. This is all because of our Vedic Dharma that it teaches us extreme tolerance to others not like your religion of Islam.

    You have many actors and actresses in Indian Bollywood and even the President of India has been a Muslim- Dr. Abdul Kalam served India from 2002 to 2007.

    Will your Islamic rule allow any Hindu a President of Pakistan, does it allow? Please reply.

    Equality must also be felt in action not only in words alone.

    Dear Abdullah, I raised some of questions to you in my earlier posts, but you did not reply any one of them. Ok no problem, jus reply for one point.
    If you think, your religion Islam has good equilibrium to humans, then, Can a Muslim woman perform Nimaz in Mosques with Muslims brothers, pls reply.

    Jai Sri Ram!, Jai Sri Krsna!

    Best regards,
    Jay Maheshwary.

    • Brother Jay Maheshwary,

      Men and Women are equal in Islam. At the same time you should also realize that Men and women does not look alike same and also nature. Men were take carers of women, at the same time women job is to take care of her husband home. Both are equal and at the same they do their own jobs. In Islam mixing of Men and Women are not allowed. That is the reason the women are not allowed to play Namaz together. But a Husband and wife can pray together. In Gulf countries Women also pray in Masjid, but they will have separate hall to pray in Masjid.

      You have raised many points, but don’t be emotional. And at the same time keep one thing clear in mind that India is not yours. It is for all people who born in this land. Everyone has the right to follow and preach their religion in this country. You cannot blame all Muslims for the mistakes of some stupid muslims. I agree that they might have done injustice to the Hindus, for that reason you cannot blame all Muslims and Islam.

      You and I have to die one day. Only 6 feet of land is yours and mine. For me this present life is a testing period and I believe that when Allah raise me on the day of Judgement I will be judged according to my deeds and belief and based on that I will be in HELL or Heaven forever. If i did some mistakes Allah may forgive if not I need to burn in Hell for some period and after completing the punishment I hope i will be admitted to heaven, Since Allah will forgive all sins except Shirk (Associating partner with him). We will have permanent eternal life with enjoying life in the Heaven as promised by Allah.

      Coming to Vedas what kind of Salvation you are getting? You need to born again and again, if you get Salvation you Soul will mix into GOD. But for other sinners they need to life after life and don’t when they will get salvation. Don’t you feel bore by taking birth again and again?

      What i get if I reject Vedas and Eaaswar in this life > The answer is simple i need to take birth again and again until i born as human and follow good way of GOD to get salvation. But I get a chance to reach GOD in the last after several births, but ultimately i get Salvation.

      What If you reject Qur’an and Allah > Since Qur’an says that this life is for testing and whatever you have to do, do it in this world, in the next life there will be judgement and you will put in to Hello or Heaven. As Allah said that he will never forgive Shirk. So obviously you have no second chance to return to this world and follow GOD. And ultimately you will be big looser and you will thrown in to HELL to burn forever.

      Now you decide yourself which is better for you. You should also note that I am on safe side. Think again and again and decide yourself, after all it is very precious and gifted life given by Allah.

      Abdullah

      • @Abdullah India is of Hindus, Muslims have been given separate country Pakistan, as majority of the muslims voted for separate Pakistan then why are they allowed to live here, Muslims are allowed to live here because of Nehru foolishness so to accept or reject his foolishness is Hindu Majority right. Muslim majority Kashmir and Christian Majority Nagaland and Mizoram are also in India but here Hindus are not allowed to buy land or preach their religion so why should we allow Muslims or Christians to preach in Hindu Majority areas.

        Abdullah Brother answer me a simple question if we have kicked out muslims during partition now would we be facing Islamic terrorism. Secularism sucks Hindus should leave it or prepare for its own destruction.

  • Does your Allah fear if another partner is worshipped in Universe, if so, then he can not be ALLAH. Allah should not be such narrow minded.

    So, please don’t be castle in the air. If ALLAH becomes jealous of being another Partner as God, it means he thinks the way a human thinks and human is limited, so, is Allah limited. There is not even a single particle in this Universe which is not associated or partner of one ultimate ESHWAR. Every particle is a part of God.

    We are ultimately MANAV not GOD. Please don’t consider your ALLAH from view point of Mayas of this Universe as Human thinks. He is above all, yet he is within all.

    Hereafter, Heaven is a place where you think a Muslim will stay forever and he will get the best of things like bodily comforts. Bodily comforts can also be achieved here on this Earth if you effort.

    To understand Supreme God, one has to understand one’s “SELF” VEDAS are hidden in one’s “SELF”. There are certain levels to reach ultimate God. Through this process you can be God where your fasle ego self will be defeated and you will realize Eshwar.

    When you would reach that STATE of MIND, you will come to realize the actual name of God. So, actual name of God is not ALLAH, not Eashwar, Not Bhagwan, Not God, Not Khuda, not Masih.

  • Involving and associating God in any of way or in any of form or in any of matter, does not make any difference to God. He is happy when human does not know Him and even then He has faith in Him in any ways of Idol, is much better than those who make Allah disappear their Nimaz in like Atheists.

    A common sense does not allow me to think that if I am not Muslim and worshipping another God or many faces of God then I would be put into everlasting Hell.
    Then where are our Karams or Actions we do in our daily life.

    Karams or Actions don’t require any Stamp of Islam on back of humans. The important is your Physical action, Mental action and Spiritual action.

    You know what is the meaning of SHIRK- to associate, to involve. If I get Supreme God involved into any form whom I have not experienced and seen yet that does not mean a Sin to believe in any form. He is present in every matter. This is a way to understand God. Imposing just fanatic rules and representing only angry Allah is not a worthy way of teaching your brothers and sisters. You try to teach them ATMAN GYAN- Knowledge of Spirituality.

    So, pls don’t make any hard and fast rules like you impose on your muslim ummah. In this way you have shut the minds of upcoming generation of Muslim children for knowing Spiritual knowledge.

  • The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: “The Prophet Ibrahim circumcised himself when he was eighty years old and he circumcised himself with an axe.” (Related by Bukhari, Muslim & Ahmad.)

    Through prophet only we hear about circumcision. Also not that Abraham (A.S) was born in Egypt only.

    The wine of this world is different compare to the wine of Heaven, since the wine of heaven does not contain alcohol. When Allah prohibit from drinking alcohol in this world, how come he will permit in the heaven.

    • Dear Abdullah,

      Why did Mohammed only show you the path of Greediness— if Alcohol is not that mean then why he indicated.

      Why did Mohammed only show you will get virgin (hurries) in Janat, why did he not teach you how to control Sex.

      You know why, because Mohammed showed them all Loly Pops to those of barbaric rapist Arabs who were only materialist and so Mohammed taughtt them only materialism not spiritualism, so that they can be patience to awaiting all these bodily comforts hereafter in Janat.

      This is all Greediness and vicious desires to obtain in Janat. For your kind information, Janat is not a spiritual planet. This also comes in one of many planets but not final destination.

      Final Destination is not Janat but Liberation from Cycle of Birth and Death.

      B/rgds,
      Jay maheshwary.

      • To be a Muslim does not mean every thing. Vicious greediness

        To be a Hindu does not mean every thing.

        What makes us Superior to others is our KARAM “ACTION”

        What we Hindus believe that “KARAM” “ACTION” of one Human is “EVERY THING” regardless what nation, social group or sects he belongs to.

        As far as SHIRK is concerned. This is a wrong assumption of Muslim Ummah that Allah will get angry if one worships other partner except Allah.
        This seems mono poly as a political agenda behaving like earthly organization party of INC, BJP, BSP, CPI(M) in India & PPP & Muslim League -N in Pakistan or like Cruel King.

        I told you God remains in His all of attributes, He has multi faceted dimensions in and out of Universe. So, Hindueism comprises of both faces to reach eternal Eashwar.

        Similarly, when architecture draws a Sketch of big plaza or bridge, it means he takes interest to develop his Ideas into realities. So one day from Sketch, you would see a big building or a bridge into reality. That’s what Hinduism thinks about Supreme Eshwar, Idol is nothing for a Vedic follower but he also does not condemn it purely because he knows that whatever I see surrounding me is a part of eternal Paramatam/Allah.

    • @Abdullah you got it Ibrahim was born in Egypt and circumcised himself in 80 years of age that itself says that Ibrahmic religion have come from Egyptian and Babylonian religion even Babylonian people kept Sabbath on Friday like Muslims do.

      Koran does not say a special brand of wine is allowed or disallowed it says that wine is devil handiwork and should not be consumed so how wine is allowed in Muslim Heaven even if it is of special brand.

  • Amitesh,

    Regarding Shirk Following Ayats of Holy Qur’an will answer you better.

    “Verily God forgives not setting up partners in worship with Him. But He forgives whom He pleases, sins other than that (shirk)” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 4, Verse 116

    “Verily whosoever sets up partners in worship with God, then God Has forbidden paradise for him and the fire will be his abode” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 5, Verse 72

    Verily, Allah forgives not that rivals should be set up in the worship with Him. He forgives save that (anything else) to whom He pleases and whoever set up rivals with Allah he has indeed done a tremendous sin. (Al Nisa:48)

    2) Except Shirk Allah will forgive all sins, but conditions will apply, that he or she should repent sincerely and should not commit that kind of sins which he commit in the past and should strictly follow Islamic teaching till his/her last breath.

    3) How Allah looks? or How his Throne is? These things you will know when meet him in the next world. Allah’s angry or love or mercy, you cannot compare with humans.

    4) The First cleanliness of body is Circumcision. Go through this article http://www.faizaneislam.org/islam/islam_wudu.shtml

    • Abdullah Brother Check the HISTORY OF CIRCUMCISION it is a Egyptian and Babylon (Pagan Ritual) ritual, which Jews and Muslims copied that itself gives the idea from where did Abrahamic religion come from.

      Koran says wine is the handiwork of devil but Muslim Heaven is flowing with this Handiwork of Devil (Wine).

  • Brother Vajra,

    As Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said this Ummath will become 73 sects. and only one sect will go to Heaven. I hope i will be one of them. Since Allah forgives all sins except Shirk (associating partner with Allah). So as far to my Faith I am not doing Shirk. So I hope i will be admitted into heaven.

    Regarding following Vedas i cannot follow them, since the final revelation from Allah came in the form of Holy Qur’an, and it clearly educating us what is right and what is wrong. The First thing is we are staying away from Shirk. Allah promising us better and everlasting joyful life after this life which is permanent. Do Vedas promising you a better life than this?

    Abdullah

    • Abdullah,

      1. How come you are so sure that the one you are following is indeed the sect which will go to heaven, when Allah has himself not clarified it anywhere , neither in quran nor in any hadiths. And on top it Allah has already fixed your fate in Lohe Mehfooz !

      2. As per you allah will forgive all sins except shirk => allah will forgive all the rapists and murderers and also the homosexuals ( which you advocate to be killed) if they start reciting the kalma ! Is it so ??

      3. Do you know quran itself does Shirk in al-Asma was-Sifat, wherein allah sits on a throne and has other qualities possessed by humans like getting angry etc

      4. I am waiting for your reply on cleanliness before prayers as per Islam

  • Brother KalBhairav,

    The Holy Qur’an clearly confirms you that HELL is permanent abode for the one who Rejects Faith in Islam. Our business is to call people towards true faith. It is up to you guys whether to accept Islam or reject. Yes we are waiting for 72 Virgins in heaven, I hope Allah will give more and better and final abode. But what you are getting by following a way which has no better promise after death. That is the reason 100% Hindus are enjoying this life completely, as they don’t know their fate after death. I think you are also one of them. You are following a dead religion or a way which will lead you to HELL. Only people with intelligence will understand the Ayats of Holy Qur’an.

    Abdullah.

    • Brother Abdullah
      Can you tell me which one of 73 sects of Islam is the true sect? Do you know that probability of your going to heaven and enjoying 72 houris is just 0.0137 (1/73) and going to hell is 0.9863 (72/73)?

      Why dont you come to your original home of Vedas when you are not going to heaven anyway as per Maths and Sahih Hadith?

  • Brother KalBhairav,

    The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will. (Qur’an 2:212)

    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

    Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).
    (Qur’an 2:256-257)

    Those who reject Faith,- neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against Allah. They are themselves but fuel for the Fire. (Qur’an 3:10)

    Say to those who reject Faith: “Soon will ye be vanquished and gathered together to Hell,-an evil bed indeed (to lie on)! (Qur’an 3:12)

    . “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.” (Qur’an 3:56)

    If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (Qur’an 3:85)

    Those who purchase Unbelief at the price of faith,- not the least harm will they do to Allah, but they will have a grievous punishment.

    Let not the Unbelievers think that our respite to them is good for themselves: We grant them respite that they may grow in their iniquity: But they will have a shameful punishment. (Qur’an 3:177-178)

    But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment. (Qur’an 4:14)

    Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, “Now have I repented indeed;” nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous. (Qur’an 4:18)

    The Holy Qur’an answers better for you.

    Abdullah

    • @Abdullah: LOL. My earlier message stands vindicated. For a moment I thought you might mean what you said – “Let you follow your own ways.” leaving us Kafirs to our own fate and minding your own business in preparation for the 72 virgins. But you had to quote to Quran to “prove” your belief. None of this is going to make any difference to me or most of the other members here. You need to raise the intellectual level of your posts in order to be relevant. Otherwise don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Of course, you may simply change your username and post under a different persona but your lack of depth will be exposed pretty quickly.

  • brother Jay Maheshwary,

    May Allah help us from all these misguiding beliefs. Now I understand what you guys belief. You say GOD is one at the same time you worship IDOLs and Nature. Sorry I cannot believe what you guys do. Let you follow your own ways. I thought Agniveer is guiding you to worship one and only GOD, but i am wrong.

    Abdullah

    • @Abdullah You said “Let you follow your own ways.” (sic).

      Hallelujah! Does that mean we can be spared your constant exhortations and threats (ie. quotes from Quran about our impending burning in eternal hell) from here on? Please say yes, please???? Chao then. This should be the last we hear of you here if you REALLY MEAN what you said. If your words have no meaning you will of course come back here and feel the need to reguide us along the “right” path.

  • Dear brothers,

    I am not a born Muslim, I revert to Islam in 1990. But officially in 1997. My parents and my brother and sister are still Hindus. I am living an independent life. I don’t see anything wrong with Islam, the only thing i find wrong is with misguided Muslims. Otherwise Islam is the best way of life to follow. We cannot blame Islam for the misguided Muslims. Terrorism is nothing to do with religion. It has no religion. Today we came to know that Muslim terrorism, Christian terrorism and Hindu Terrorism.

    Overall Majority of Hindus are following false ways. As Agniveer quoted on this site “He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always.He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)

    Hindus should worship one True GOD.

    Regarding Islam you have many misconceptions, that can be solved only in future when Imam Mehdi (A.S) and Jesus (pbuh) returns to this world. The time is not far for us to unite together. I know you people wont believe in all this, let us wait for the time to come.

    Abdullah.

    • @Abdullah

      Its sad u were a hindu but didnt not know that all hindus really worshipped the same one God throught different forms and symbolisms. But again, I am not defending hinduism here, I am defending Vedic Dharma, which states there is only one true God, and this God has no messengers sent from time to time.

      Why dont u revert to Vedic Dharma which requires no agents or messengers to believe in, its only u and Ishwar, whereas in islam, you have to belive in the messengers which is rediculous?

      I can only pity u that u are awaiting Jesus to come back, I would suggest that you use that same time in finding the truth rather than wating for some Isa or Jesus which is illogical.

    • Abdullah,

      So the 1st casualty that Islam took on your good self was to take you away from your own family. Interesting religion !

      BTW, instead of giving your preposterous notions and dreams can you cite 5 good reasons for which you switched over to Islam, which you couldn’t find in Vedic Dharm.

      Trust me dear, I shall publicly accept islam if you convince me with your reasons

      Blessings

      • Dear Amitesh,

        I found many good things in Islam so i was very much convinced to Islam. Some of the things which convince me..

        1) Neatness before going for Prayer.
        2) Standing in front of GOD in a silent way while in Prayer.
        3) Equality..While in Prayer there is no reservation.. A labour or a Rikshawala can stand next to a rich person or King. This was really astonished to me. That shows all are equal in front of GOD.
        4) Only two Festivals and that too both have reasons. Eid-ul-Fitra (Ramadhan) after completing 30 fasting days. and giving Fitra (money) to poor people on the day of festival so that all poor people also eat a good food that day. Eid-al-adha (Bakrid) giving meat to poor people, who might have not eat for months, and on this day all poor people have their share.
        5)Zakat – giving money to poor and need people from your earnings of one year, which helps poor and needy.
        6) I have given up drinking, smoking bcas of the teachings of Islam.
        7) There is no caste system and all people are equal wherever they live in this world.

        Will these things not enough for me to revert to Islam. And this life has meaning. We are here to prepare for the better life after death, i know you dont believe this.

        Regarding convincing you, it is not my job. Since no one convinced me to accept Islam, through my own analysis and thinking i accept Islam. Read Qur’an with a good heart and also read the biography of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) with good heart then definitely you will know the truth.

        I accept the truth thats why i was forced to stay away from my Parents. But the same thing is with Arya Samaj and the followers of Vedas. You know why? First thing is you need to Hold Vedas strong with heart and in practical. Now go and tell your parents and friends to worship one True GOD and stop worshiping IDOLS.

        Educate them what Agniveer posted on top of this site “He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always. He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)”

        You should do this with serious otherwise your Faith in Eaaswar is fake. You will know the reaction of your parents and friends. Tell them all temples and IDOL worship should be stopped. If you don’t tell them then you are not following Eaaswar with your Heart.

        But I found on this site is you people are following One GOD and at the same time there is no serious reaction against the people who are following many GODs. You should convince them to follow one GOD. If they reject then it is up to them.

        This is what i told my Parents and relatives to follow one GOD, but they rejected. I cannot live with them since they are following Idols and doing a fake worship, but i cannot digest this, since GOD is one and they are doing very big sin. So obviously You will also face similar situation what I am facing now.

        You will do this only if you are Serious in the matter of believing and worshiping one True GOD.

        Hope you understand.

        Abdullah

      • Dear Abdullah,

        Thank you very much Mr. Abdullah that you know our VEDIC DHARMA that it is not fundamentally IDOL WORSHIPPING, do you agree? I think you would now definitely agree with me because you have yourself mentioned below the verse from Veda which says in short, “GOD IS ONLY ONE”

        You know how old Islam is I think historically not older than 1400 years. But you MUST also know that how old Vedas are. Vedas are not OLDER they are every time Fresh and ever existing New. they are seniors to all of religious books because all religions have been derived from VEDAS. VEDAS have no beginning no ending. But we can view from earthly history that are 12 thousand years old but astronomically some of scientists believe that Vedas are 10.8 millions years old.

        So, pls don’t try to educate us to believe in one God. We don’t need to educate our parents and friends that GOD is ONE because we have already known about it since very beginning.

        Muslims always see Hinduism / Sanatana Dharma / Vedic Dharma from only one Angle. Vedic Dharma is Universe upon itself & it has many colors of understanding one Supreme Eshwara or Allah.

        Fist of all I will reply each of your points below and then I would ask you—What is difference between an Idol & nothingness?

        I found many good things in Islam so i was very much convinced to Islam. Some of the things which convince me.
        Jay replies—Now you have forgotten your actual Dharma and your predecessors so, you use the word CONVINCE but in reality it is quite difficult for you to go back because it is now a question of your mullanas and your all Muslim samaj who will curse you and they may kill you if you reverse to original religion. This is the FEAR but not convinced by things.
        1) Neatness before going for Prayer.
        Jay– This is a common term that in every religion a human keeps his body neat and clean before praying to God is not a new thing for Hindus.
        2) Standing in front of GOD in a silent way while in Prayer.
        Jay– Meditation is the finest way to realize our “self “and “God” which has been proved by many scientists.
        3) Equality..While in Prayer there is no reservation.. A labour or a Rikshawala can stand next to a rich person or King. This was really astonished to me. That shows all are equal in front of GOD.
        Jay- I ask you, Can a Muslim woman perform the Nimaz in Mosque together with Muslim Brothers in India or in Pakistan, pls reply. But we Hindus have no objection being in one temple praying God with women, men, boys, girls, children even animals under one roof. Please first you read our Scriptures.

        4) Only two Festivals and that too both have reasons. Eid-ul-Fitra (Ramadhan) after completing 30 fasting days. and giving Fitra (money) to poor people on the day of festival so that all poor people also eat a good food that day. Eid-al-adha (Bakrid) giving meat to poor people, who might have not eat for months, and on this day all poor people have their share.
        Jay—This is Rituals of Religious activities so again it is a common term can be found in many other religions so in Hinduism we have also fasting and Deewali etc festivals and also feeding people throughout year in different temples and ashrams, no matter one is poor or rich, we mean to serve food to human or animal.
        5)Zakat – giving money to poor and need people from your earnings of one year, which helps poor and needy.
        Jay—2 .5% Zakkat out of a muslims’ income a year is again common term is being done in every religion in a different degree like Charity and Daan etc. It is also not new thing for Hindus. But here in Pakistan at the end all big shot people draw back all of money from their account so that Govt should not raise zakaat 2 ½% from their accounts. What type of Muslims you are! I have experience it with many bank managers in Pakistan that they talk like that.

        6) I have given up drinking, smoking bcas of the teachings of Islam.
        Jay—This is again a common term. Not only alcohol and smoking in Vedic Dharam as they both are injurious to health Vedic Dharma condemns all types of injuries like killing someone by blowing bombs in the name of Jihad just to establish their fanatic Religions practices. But we Hindus believe, even an ant should not be killed by our feet. We are so sensitive to health that we have one complete set of Yoga System that is Ashtanga Yago Sutras. Please go and read 8 steps of this Raja Yoga, you will ever find such a brilliant social disciplinary action in any religion.
        7) There is no caste system and all people are equal wherever they live in this world.
        Jay— Only saying in words that Islam does not believe in Caste system. But evidences in daily social lives show that Muslims are segregated themselves as one Caste from the rest of world’s people by their behavior and religious understanding, isn’t it caste system from the core of your Quranic teaching or Islamic Teaching by quoting this line “All Muslims are brothers with one another” But why don’t you quote like “All Human beings are brothers to one another”. This is only Vedas speak like that we all are one Family of Vashudeva including animals too. You have peak hatred within Muslims’ sects, devbandi, bralvi, shia, sunni, wahabi and many other muslims who don’t even workshop in one another’s mosques unlike Hindus, we Hindus never care what prayer place is whether Ram mandir or Krsna Mandir or Shiva Temple, we only mean to pray to Eashwara is the core teaching of Vedic Dharma.
        Rest of points I am replying to you later on in my next page…
        Jai Sri Ram!- Jay Sri Krsna!
        Jay Maheshwary
        From Pakistan.

      • Dear Abdullah,

        Remember Hinduism is a Sampuran Dharma, I mean a PERFECT RELIGION. You know why? It contains both faces of God.
        As it discusses both attributes of God like- (Akaar to Niraakar), (Mayananda to Brahmananda)- (Physical Body to Spiritual Body) (Dveta to Adveta Philosophy)

        Islam does not cover both knowledge properly, neither physical body of God nor Spiritual Body of God. You know why? Mohammed could not give this GYAN to Muslims as he himself did not understand what spirituality is. It is only India alone can understand the levels of Physical body, Astral Body, Causal Body & then cause of all causes that is Swam Eshwara. ADH SHAKTI whom we call, God, Eshwara, Allah and Bhagwan.

        You don’t only watch Hindus making Aarti around an Idol but also try to understand what our literatures and scriptures are saying about Supreme Eshwara to make life very peaceful and disciplinary in daily life. If you live in India then you are very fortunate that get some times and join any true guru, he will show you what actually human, animals, plants, nature and God is.

        Now let us discuss what actually a Muslim does while he prays to Allah. He neither follows Akaar nor Niraakar, a Mulsim neither follows Mayananda nor Brahmananda nor physical body nor Spiritual body, nor Dveta nor Adveta.

        A Muslim is trapped and confused in between Akaar and Niraakar. He is throwing an arrow without any proper station. Mohammed has only taght Muslims to achieve Heaven by making another human a Muslim then you will get place in Janat. A Muslim worships neither physical body nor Allah Spiritually. He wanders in here and hereafter in between these two things only. If Muslims were provided this Ataman Gyan by Mohammed or Quran then Muslims would accept “Cycle of Reincarnation” and today our understand would be identical as with Sikhism, Jainism and Bhudism and we would never have disputes in our general beliefs.
        cont—p/2—-

      • As you said, Hindus believe in Idols. I ask you, what does a Muslim believe while he prays the Nimaz? I have a few of below questions; please answer them if you can.

        Does he only recite Ayats during Nimaz verbally?
        Does he not contemplate any thing during Nimaz?
        if a Muslim conceives something during his Nimaz like image of Kaaba etc, then does he make Shirk?
        if a Muslim contemplates nothing during his Nizma, then does it mean he thinks ALLAH is nothingness or doesn’t he make Allah disappear from his all qualities like inner self to God realization?
        Then what is consciousness running inside of each human body? Don’t Muslims try to understand inner self sparking energy a Self to God Consciousness? If a Muslim wants to understand that Self Realization, What would a Muslim have a process to go through his Spiritual Journey during Nimaz?
        Does a Muslim understand 7 Physcial and 7 Subtle Disc Chakras to be activated. Does your Nimaz cover all of these knowledge.
        If a Hindu worship an idol then how coma a Hindu realize Self and then God Consciousness to have liberation.
        So what process does a Muslim Moulana teach his muslim followers for spirituality?
        If a Muslim only recites Ayats during Nimaz verbally and realizes nothing in his inner-self to God realization, then do you think, all Muslims are doing the act of an atheist?
        Why do all Muslims face to Kaaba, isn’t Kaaba(Kibla) made of stones as building so the action being done by all Muslims towards Kaaba show during their whole of Nimaz seems that all Muslims worship Buildings if a Hindu worship an Idol.

        Does Allah reside only in the direction of Kaaba not elsewhere on this earth? Don’t Muslims think- the Main House of Allah is a HUMAN BODY.
        If Muslims don’t know or never given this knowledge by Mohammed. it does not mean what you don’t know, does not exist in the Universe, it does exist in Vedas as more advance knowledge than your Islam as mentioned in Vedas like reincarnation, Self Realization, Deep Meditation, Yoga Science of Ashtanga Yoga, mantra, tantra, Yantra etc & more about mathematics, astronomy, geometry, linguistic grammar etc, all provided by Islam is full and final knowledge, this is possible that whatever not provided by Muslims is also right that Hindus are more advanced than you are.

        Cont–p/3—

      • Don’t you think that a civilization of an Idol worshipper has such a knowledge that whole new generation of America and Europe has been inspired by Vedic Knowledge just after Swami Vivakanand in 1893 and Swami Paramhana Yogananda in 1920.

        Can you see any non muslims saying chanting the name of Allah in Mecca. No never but you can find a lot of non Hindus at Haridwara by chanting name of Hare Rama Hare Krisna. This shows the free will message from Vedic Dharma no bound towards any terms and condition like Mulsims impose on non muslims all over world.
        If they think, house of Allah is Kaaba, then Kaaba is only a Square Building covered with Black camouflaged cloth and there is no ALLAH actually residing in Kaaba an you can find Ayats mentioned on the walls is like an empty house which can be easily encroached and demolished by any human machine. If it is house of ALLAH then during history, Kaaba has been built and upgraded 6 times by human beings. It means the house of Allah is not natural, this is man made which can easily be altered in future. But we believe House of Eshwar is every corner of Universe in time and space and out of time and space.

        Same logic, all Muslims use while it is a matter of Shirk that Hindus worship Idols which they make by their hands and then Hindus worship.
        I ask you, don’t you give priority more or less to Kaaba as sacred house of Allah as Hindus give importance to Idol worship of Human forms which is much better than building form at least. Even we have generalized Idol worship. We have no objections if we make picture of jour late grand father we can also try to search Eshwara in him. No particular image is required for Hindus to workshop as Muslims limit their Allah.

        If Allah is every where and He is not limited, then why do you choose a particular way of worshiping building of Kaaba. If something like Kaaba building in regard with the house of Allah, it means you are making your ALLAH particular and limited to one square building with a House of Allah.
        conti—p/4…

      • Why do you impose pictures of Kaaba at your homes, why do you paint Ayats as pictures in the Frams displaying at homes and shops? Worshipping does not mean only bow but it means a lot like to regard and respect the every chain related things which you consider it is God fearing. So what if a Hindu respects and refers Idols
        as Eshwar is not a sin as you think a great sin of Shirk but killing people, slaughtering animals for temporary taste of tongue is all Hilal for a Muslim. Wow! Very illogical and irrational way of acceptance of crime in the form of religion- Islam.

        So, Hindus believe in Idols, Snakes, animals and human as a house of Eshwara not to a particular. Because God is not particular, God is unlimited, everlasting, eternal and generalized. That’s why , the core conduct of Hindu Philosophy is very logical and real and free from all wrong identification and wrong ego self.

        Dear Abdullah, now please consider another praying angle of Hinduism- that is DYANA PRACTICES where no idol or image is kept in front of a Devotee or Muni Rishi.

        You may have seen a Rishi on TV or Movie when they sit in austerity for many months or years but they don’t worship any Idol during that time neither they imagine, they remain in process of realizing their “SELF” to GOD consciousness.

        Pranyama is a breathing exercise during Yoga Science through which you can harmonize your body to the level of earth atmosphere to realize what reality is.
        cont—p/5—

      • We have 84 postures of Yoga as meditative asana or postures, out of which, one or two steps Arabs borrowed from Vedic Cultures that asanas are known as Nimaz by Muslims. That is actually a “SURYA NIMASKAAR” & MATA NIMASKAAR where all parts of your body limbs you surrender by touching earth where it embosses a spot on every Muslim’s forehead during long practices of Nimaz is a sign of touching the mother earth during Nimaz. One step you perform during Nimaz is totally replica of
        VIJRASANA which is good for digestive system as per Vedic Dharma. But all Muslims still consider this Nimaz an exercise because they have just copied and borrowed from Vedic Culture but they don’t have Gurus to make them understand what actually the purpose of these Asana. Actually this is a long process to realize your Self and God not only recommended for exercise to keep health good. Yogo is no nice that effects physically, mentally and Spriitually at ultimate result as Samadhi.

        Praying 5 times a Nimaz- each time 15- 20 minutes is not effective process of being spiritual man. This is just a Karamkhandh just to send a request to God by means of Nizma to get luxurious life of JANAT (Heaven) to get rid of Hell.

        Initially Hindus believe Idols by means of practices but at the end, ambition is only ONE PARATAMA.

        Idol is a just temporary SKETCH of one Big mega structure to recognize Maker of this Big structure of Universe that a Spiritual Being in a Physical body.

        He who resides in a physical body as a Divine Nature and True Identification of our Self.

        Whether you realize or not, you are a SOUL, a Spiritual being in a physical body.

        Every Body (IDOL) is a Temple of Soul and the Soul is reflection of God.

        you can understand from above understanding of Vedic Dharma that we have such level understanding of Eshwara or Allah.

        Therefore, what idols we make by our hands are also God, even the hands that we carry with ourselves daily to work out are also God.

        A very small space is also filled with this Spiritual Being that is Eshwara/ Allah/ God.

        Jai Sri Ram!- Jay Sri Krsna!

        Best regards,
        Jay Maheshwary.

      • @Abdullah: You said “You should convince them to follow one GOD. If they reject then it is up to them.”

        Why should YOU take it upon yourself to convince others to seeing YOUR way? Are you a bit insecure and doubtful whether your path may be wrong that you need constant reinforcement/validation from others? As I asked in another thread: Can you prove that ONLY YOUR WAY is right and all other ways are wrong WITHOUT QUOTING THE QURAN? If not, you are AN EPIC FAILURE. If you are so convinced that Islam is the “right” religion, be happy with it yourself. Don’t worry about others. In other words, don’t come into my land and tell me my religion/way of life is wrong, especially when you cannot prove it. You may try to convince me, but once I have heard you and chosen out of my free will (which Allah grants me, I guess) not to follow your path, just leave. If you have been invited as a guest to dinner, and if the pork is overcooked, you would taste it a little and if it is not to your liking you would not eat more. You wouldnt constantly keep reminding the host that they have done a bad job of cooking pork, would you?That is just impolite and you will never be invited back again. Learn some manners and politeness. Try reducing your hatred of anything and everything non-Muslim. First try convincing the apostates of Islam at http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/ . Then, you can go about trying to convince infidels.

      • Brother Abdullah,

        I asked you to enlist 5 points why you converted to Islam and you got me the stuck on the very 1st point.

        Kindly clarify your threshold of cleanliness as per Islam because this is what the hadiths say:

        1. If one has seminal emission, but has to perform prayers, and finds no water, one is supposed to strike ground with hands and then wipe face and palms:

        Sahih Muslim Book 3, Number 0716:
        Abu Musa said to Abdullah: You have not heard the words of ‘Ammar: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent me on an errand and I had a seminal emission, but could find no water, and rolled myself in dust just as a beast rolls itself. I came to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) then and made a mention of that to him and he (the Holy Prophet) said: It would have been enough for you to do this. Then he struck the ground with his hands once and wiped his right hand with the help of his left hand and the exterior of his palms and his face. ‘Abdullah said: Didn’t you see that Umar was not fully satisfied with the words of ‘Ammar only?

        2. It is permissible to eat without washing hand after coming out of lavatory.
        Muslim, Book 3, Number 0725:
        Ibn ‘Abbas reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) came out of the privy, and he was presented with some food, and the people reminded him about ablution, but he said: Am I to say prayer that I should perform ablution ?

        3. Rubbing of hands on the wall after cleaning private parts.
        Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 260:
        Narrated Maimuna: The Prophet took the bath of Janaba (sexual relation or wet dream). He first cleaned his private parts with his hand, and then rubbed it (that hand) on the wall and washed it. Then he performed ablution like that for the prayer, and after the bath he washed his feet

  • Dear Brothers,

    Please go through this website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfaqulla_Khan

    Ashfaqullah Khan was detained in the Faizabad jail. A case was filed against Ashfaqullah. His brother Riyasatullah was his counsel who fought the case till the very end. While in jail, Ashfaqullah recited the Quran. The case for the Kakori dacoity was concluded by awarding death sentence to Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil, Ashfaqulla Khan, Rajendra Lahiri and Thankur Roshan Singh. The others were given life sentences.

    By an eyewitness account, on a Wednesday, four days before he was hanged, two English officers looked into the cell where Ashfaqulla Khan was lodged. He was in the middle of his namaz. ““I’d like to see how much of that faith remains in him when we hang the rat,” quipped one of them.

    On Monday, 19 December 1927, Ashfaqullah Khan is known to have taken two steps at a time, as he walked up to the post. When his chains were released, he reached for the rope and kissed it. “My hands are not soiled with the murder of man. The charge against me is false. God will give me justice. la ilahi il allah, mohammed ur rasool allah.” The noose came around his neck and the movement lost one of its shining stars.

    Let you decide if he is Muslim or not. If he is follower of Arya Samaj then Wikepedia is wrong.

    Abdullah

    • Abdullah

      Wikipedia can be wrong as its pages can be written and or edited by anyone. As we said repeatedly in this site, Agniveer team is not against muslims, we love our muslim brothers and sisters, but we only condemn islam and Quran since it lead all of you astray. Now, we will be doing our best to bring you back to the real religion of your ancestors, remember, you were all converted forcibly or under stress for jiza tax by the Moghals. Now, the same evil has taken the form of Zakir Naik, in converting people to islam by twisting verses of Vedas one way or another, but we wont hold back, we have also pointed out so many errors and contradictions in the Quran. Back then it was the Marathas, that came to the aid to defend our Dharma, today it will be Agniveer which will shatter all the false propaganda of likes like Zakir Naik.

      • buddy if u have proper references in wikipedia for dat particular article wich can b authenticated den da matter written in wikipedia can b right…

        If mughals forced us den how come u b so lucky not 2 b forced…………

        V very well know wat our real religion is…. anyways thanks for da concern…

      • Irshaad ,

        you again come to same old zakir naik argument that if islam was spread by sword then how come only 20% muslims in India!
        Seems like you are averse to facts and deliberately choose to ignore that afghanistan, pakistan and bangladesh have all been forcefully converted to islam. But thanks to warriors like Shivaji, Pratap, Banda Bairagi etc, those mughal perverts were stopped from destroying this beautiful civilization.

        BTW, likes of Vik are lucky because his ancestors chose to fight those perverts instead of the likes of Irshad and Abdullah who chose to switch faiths after seeing their ancestors slaughtered and women raped ! and instead of some introspection are defending those shamelss acts !

      • oh well den u need 2 gel up ur history buddy…. Afghanistan was under Sassanid empire…. even if u take into account pakistan n bangladesh da population percentage of muslims wud b 23%….. wich is by far very less compared to approx. 72% population of hindus wen da whole sub-continent is taken into account… so i dont think ur theory is working over here….

        I guess likes of Abdullah n Irshaad whose ancestors chose da right path n da likes of Vik n Ami whose ancestors wer adamant of der beliefs or disbeliefs whatever…

      • Irshad,

        if you are really keen to explore about your ancestors in afganistan then get some info as to why Hindu-Kush mountains was named so. afterall, you don’t find hindu names and places in the islamic heartlands.

        my dear irshad, as per Justice K.M. Yusuf, retired judge of the Calcutta High Court,who was also Chairman of the West Bengal Minority Commission, muslim population in india is betweeen 25-30%. and the census you see leave all those who live in ghettos daryaganj and bhendi bazaar. not to mention the illegal bangladeshi migrants in WB, assam, maharastra who are hell bent on changing the demography of india.
        BTW, hindu population of pakistan at the time of independence was 17% but today it is less than 1%. where have the 16% gone ???? either slaughtered or forcefully converted like your ancestors.

        hindus are in majority in india because the likes of vik, amitesh fought those sexual perverts and chose to continue with their beliefs of respecting women and equality for all instead of giving them away their women and children and keeping them as sex slaves, considering it as divine wisdom, in the lines of Abdullah and Irshad.

      • Mr Amitesh,
        I guess u do not hav a very good geographical knowledge…. hindu itself is a name given by foreigners. Kush refers to mountain in persian language. Hindus is da name given by Arabs to the residents of Hind.

        Mr K.M. Yusuf is of a view that muslims in india are 20%. So u mean 2 say I hav 2 believe a person who himself is not sure n is making a hypothesis based on a neighbouring country…. now dis is laughable… u mean 2 say dat da census committees do not go ghettos… can i know da reason y??? so u r actually saying 110 million people(muslims) are missing n are not counted…. if dat is da case den dey may not b getting da benefits of wat a indian citizen gets since dey r not registered.

        You didn’t mention da illegal immigrants from pakistan n Nepal….

        So according to da likes of Vik n Ami’s ancestors respecting women means Devadasi system, Dowry system, Sati, little girls married away to old men, Brahmins abusing, Dalit slavery etc… oh wow if dis is respect n equality den I am happy dat my ancestors wer unlike Vik n Ami’s ancestors.

      • Mr. Irshad,

        Your taqiyas are finally exposed here!
        Kush in sanskrit means mountain and in Persian it is derived from the verb ‘Kushtan’ which means to kill, to destroy etc !

        I agree that people living in htis part of the globe were refereed to as hindu since the Sanskrit sound of “S” converts to “H” in the Parsee language, the Muslims pronounced Sindhu as “hindu,” even though at the time the people of the area did not use the name “hindu” themselves. This word was used by the illiterate muslim ghazis to identify the people and the religion of those who lived in that area.

        BTW, there is no mention of the word “Quran” in the quran itself. So, is the case with the kalama !

        Go and read that post again, and read what K.M. Yusuf says.Your logic of getting the benefits is hilarious ! Do they get the free health services after showing their election I-card ???

        sati, devadasi and dowry are nowhere mentioned in the vedas. The hindu women resorted to sati to save themselves from your ghazi heroes who raped them and kept them as sex-slaves after slaughtering their husbands, all in the name of Islam. Further, wen it became a social evil, hindus had the courage to reject it instead of justifying it as a divine order unlike the muslims who still refuse to reform and consider marrying 6 year old girl, or keeping sex-slaves or marrying own daughter-in-laws as divine ordinance !

        BTW, am still waiting for your reply on the case of having sex with one’s maid in wife’s absence, as is mentioned in quran about muhammad

      • Mr Amitesh Kush is a persian word….

        n by da way wat is da link between Quran n kalama n moreover dey r arabic words…. i retorted u wen u said dat hindu kush was named because of ur religious presence in dat region in dat particular period….

        Dont u know abt ration card wich gives some benefits 2 indian citizens depending on der financial status?? Are u a Indian in first place?? Sorry 2 ask dis but question but u did not me leave me with ny choice… Lol instead of accepting da fact u r desperately trying 2 ignore da facts…

        wat is dis den?? u said der is no such statement about sati in vedas

        Rig Veda X.18.7 “Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as corrylium ( to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned.” — [ Rig Veda X.18.7 ]

        der is no ghazi hero mentioned over here….

        n i already mentioned dat der is no such statement buddy… pls check my other comments

      • Irshad,

        1. Since Kush is a persian word, my point stands vindicated that your ancestors were slaughtered by the ghazi army in afghanistan

        2.Brother, copy-pasting from truth of hinduism will take you to further embarrasment : See that mantra of rig veda 10.18.17

        इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |
        अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे ||

        Now see the last part of this mantra – रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे
        The word is agre(in the front) AND NOT agne(in the fire). probably the site from where you copy-pasted this didn’t bother to verify it !

      • 1. Buddy ur statement shows how frustrated u r. I think u need 2 use a bit of common sense over here. If my ancestors were slaughtered by ghazi army den how come da descendants of my ancestors come into existence…….

        2. I wud like 2 thank u as I didn’t knew dat der was a site by name truthofhinduism.com. dis site is quite handy.

        3. U’v been casting doubts abt my knowledge on Quran but I am convinced dat u don’t hav da basic knowledge of ur vedas.

        इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |
        अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे ||

        dis mantra actually belongs to Rig veda 10.18.7 and not 10.18.17

        A wife who dies in the company of her husband shall remain in heaven as many years as there are hairs on his person. (Garuda Purana 1.107.29)

        A sati who dies on the funeral pyre of her husband enjoys an eternal bliss in heaven [ Daksa Smrti IV.18-19 ] [ Sm.Samu p.30 ] [ 1200, p.65 ]

        Yajnavalkya, the most important law-giver after Manu, states that sati is the only way for a chaste widow [ Apastamba.I.87 ] [ 1200, p.65 ]

        Brahma Purana.80.75 “It is the highest duty of the woman to immolate herself after her husband “, — [ Br.P. 80.75 ] [ Sheth, p.103 ]

        These above are jus a few quotes. I can provide u a barrage of similar type of quotes so dat u don’t run away from truth.

      • @Irshaad : when will Muslims come out of their pathetic self denial and ignorance.
        the mantra from rik veda is here with the translation

        http://aryasamajjamnagar.org/rugveda_v5/rugveda.htm
        (click on the page 52 link in the lower side of the page, and then scroll down to the particular mantra you cited)

        and about your loads of references they are just the same a i would not be happily saying irshaad….. 🙂

        so go home and mug up quran ..and then ask a maulivi for its meaning

      • Hello Mr. Amitesh
        I can say da same thing 2 u… wen will u guys come out of ur denial…….. ur ancestors hav been burning der women alive n justified it with all da vedas, puranas etc n u r here trying 2 deny it since da civilised world was against it…… Lol now u try 2 cover it up……..

        nyways thanks for ur advice as I can c dat u r getting frustrated n u r not able 2 hold urself………

        u guys say dat vedas cannot b changed courtesy http://agniveer.com/2697/why-vedas-cannot-be-changed/

        den how come agre became agne…….. dis was something u said refering 2 dat mantar of rig veda

        do u hav ny explanation?

      • Irshad,

        1. ghazi army never slaughtered women instead kept them as sex-slaves or concubines breeding children from them …so the legacy continues !

        2. Now, I seriously think that quran has taken its toll on a otherwise sane man.
        agre never became agne in vedas. Rather, some idiots deliberately twisted it to suit their interest and confuse gullible minds. Otherwise, ‘agre’ never became ‘agne’ in vedas

      • 1. Oh u hav enlightened me so where is dis ghazi army mentioned in ur vedas wen dese sati burnings wer performed.

        2. I am sorry if I am offending you but I wud like 2 ask u a question……
        “Are you completely in control of ur senses???” da reason I am asking u dis question is…….. u firstly say dat vedas wer never changed n den u contradict urself by saying dat dey wer twisted……..

        So it must either b dat da vedas wer changed or else Sati was promoted and recommended by Vedas……..

        All da way long u either looked confused or distorted da Aayats from quran 2 serve ur purpose…….

      • @Irshad

        1. Vedas are not history books unlike quran which denigrates muhammad by elaborating his sexual sexcapades with his slaves and concubines

        2. I am a bit demoralised as I am seeing my brother Irshad surrendering his intellect to a 1400 yr old nomadic book.
        Vedas were never changed. The idiots started pronouncing agre as agne, and then making their own conclusions. Vedas retain their originality

      • Hello Amitesh,

        1. Holy Quran is not a history book but I wud not comment on Vedas becoz u r actually showing wat dey r upto.

        2. You said Idiots started pronouncing agre as agne. If wat u hav said is true den all da men who had knowledge of vedas wanted 2 burn da women n hence dey kept everyone in dark by pronouncing it in a wrong way. So dis implies dat da likes of Vik’s and Ami’s ancestors whoever wer well versed in vedas burnt der women and kept their women uneducated so dat dey will not b able 2 find out da truth in vedas….

        I am not yet demoralized as Allah S.W.T. gave me enough patience n pertinence to defend da truth. I am sure u will come onto da right path instead of lurking in dark.

      • Irshad,

        1. Instead of giving your ad hominem arguments, why don’t you write something substantial. Quran is indeed a history book (though distorted) which contains life of muhammad. What else is your definition of history if you say that quran is not a history book !

        2.Nobody kept people in dark except those who chose to live that way. BTW, likes of vik and Ami didn’t burn women citing vedas but the women burnt themselves to escape rape and plunder by Islamic ghazis. Some burnt themselves, some fought with them and the rest converted !

      • Bhayya Amitesh,

        I don’t know wat ur definition of history is but my general IQ has a different interpretation of da word HISTORY n dis interpretation is actually accepted by every sane knowledgeable person as da correct meaning of HISTORY. jus go thru dese verses below:

        “Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden (paradise) whose width is that of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous – Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity or in adversity, who restrain (their) anger and pardon (all) men – for God loves those who do good.” Chapter 3, Verses 133-134

        If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. [8:61]

        “Repel (evil) with what is better. Then will he, between whom and thee was hatred, become as it were thy friend and intimate. And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint.” Chapter 41, Verse 34 and 35

        “There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.”. [2:256]

        “O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous.” Chapter 49, Verse 13

        well I did not find a single historical event described over here in dese verses wich wer attributed 2 Mohammad’s(S.A.W.) life. Infact dese verses wer generalized to mankind. So how come Quran become a so called “HISTORICAL” book.

        U actually made me giggle for some time…… now u r back from where u started.

        Firstly u told da dat Ghazi heroes wer responsible for Sati n wen I presented u a quote from Rig Veda wich sanctioned Sati u told me dat da mantra was changed from agre to agne. den i reminded u dat u guys n Agniveer believe dat vedas wer never changed. den again u changed ur stance by saying dat dey wer verbally twisted n not in writing. So for dat reason I asked u if all da men who had knowledge of vedas either burnt women or supported it and I also said dat women wer not given education as dey could hav easily made out dat nothing of dat sort 2 b written in Vedas.
        So after goin all thru dis u den again say dat Ghazi heroes wer responsible for Sati thus completing a whole cycle n starting afresh…. Common Amitesh y dont u accept da fact instead of reiterating ad hominen and illogical arguments which r actually baseless…..

      • @Irsaad

        when we imply that the word “agre” was changed to “agne”, we dont mean that word is changed in the entire Vedas as a whole, for example, if Vedas were to be published today, you would still see the original unchanged verses of Vedas. This agre to agne was done as a false interpretation for evil people to fool innocents to make them believe that Vedas sanction Sati. But the reality is there is no such interpolation in the actual Vedas. The actual Vedas only contain and willl forever contain Agre, not Agne. Hope I made myself clear.

  • Irshaad

    Salaam

    This is turth brother.99% of Muslims have detiriorated Muhammad(PBUH) and Allah.

    I read Vedas and first page of Quran which convey same meaning.

    Agniveer is right to great extent.We need to teach our Muslism Brothers too.The way Hindusim has got corrupted in same way ISLAM has.

    Bismillah rehman e rahim

    • Walaikum salam brother,

      It is true dat muslims today are misinterpreting da Quran n hadiths but Allah S.W.T. promised that he is going 2 protect da quran…. so der is no question of distortion in Quran…. It is our mistakes n not da distortion of quran n hadiths wich is defaming Islam…

  • well if you guys respect this guy who was MUSLIM… then y do I see dis site filled with full of hate for his religion….

    I hope 2 get many replies from u guys….

    • Please note that we have no hatred against either Islam or Muslims. We love them. Refer articles on the site which hail Muhammad as role model and Islam as religion of peace.

      Whatever we have written is against those false preachers who distort Quran and its teachings to suit their agenda of hatred. For example Zakir Naik.

      We are only against false verses of Hadiths and Quran that insult Muhammad and his concept of peace. We are also against all those translations of Quran and Hadiths that are being promoted by Muslim scholars. These translations insult Muhammad and hence we are against these translations.

      We appeal to all Muslim brothers and sisters to stay away from all those Mullahs and scholars who refuse to condemn these false ‘Sahih’ Hadiths and wrong translations of Quran and instead use them to justify their own evil designs by spreading hate against non-Muslims.

      For more on this, please read:
      http://agniveer.com/2415/agniveer-stand/
      http://agniveer.com/2668/born-losers/
      http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-will-not-be-a-threat-if/
      http://agniveer.com/3270/foundations-of-islamic-terrorism/

      Anyone who can proclaim that:
      a. All non-Muslims who studied Quran carefully but could not find it convincing, and are good people otherwise will not go to Hell if they do other good deeds.
      b. All Muslims who rejected Quran because it did not appeal to them will not go to hell if they do good deeds otherwise.
      c. One can go to heaven if he remembers Allah but not necessarily Muhammad as Rasul in the Kalama.
      d. One can go to heaven if he remembers Allah but does not believe in going to Kaba.
      e. Having sex with slaves and marrying children is wrong
      f. Women and men have equal rights in becoming supreme ruler and women are NOT half-intelligent than men.

      then we consider him a good Muslim and we can even lay our lives for such persons.

      But if someone or some book or some translation curses non-Muslims to Hell forever then it is our utmost duty to fight such fanatic terrorist forces.

      That is why we respect people like Arya Ashfaq, APJ Abul Kalam, Hassan Nisar, Azim Premji, Abdul Hamid, Parvex Hoodbhoy etc and consider the common traits of their version of Islam as the true Islam.

      • 1. When u urself claimed dat u hail Mohammad(S.A.W.) as a role model den y should v not remember him as the Rasool of Allah

        2. If ex-muslims and non-muslims r so convinced dat Quran is not good enough for them then y can’t dey ignore it wen it says dat dey r going 2 burn in hell fire since dey actually do not believe in it so no question of burning.

        3. What is the problem if a muslim goes 2 Mecca?

        4. Quran was never distorted and will never be distorted and it never said dat women are half intelligent.

      • Namaste Irshaad,

        1. We indeed hail Muhammad as a saintly figure but we simply don’t believe in all those false stories of Prophecy and ride to Allah’s heaven etc etc in the same lines as we don’t believe in all the stories of Muhammad having sex-slaves and concubines and raping innocent women after wars. Now these all are depicted in quran and sahih hadiths and we simply DISAGREE with the denigration of Muhammad in this fashion. At best we believe that since at th time of Muhammad, the social condition of Arabs was far from worse, so he made up these stories to reform those nomadic arabs . However, its disturbing to see even our educated Muslim brothers taking these stories too seriously and considering it as divine wisdom. For details kindly refer – http://agniveer.com/762/muhammad/

        2.Ex- Muslim s and non-Muslims can indeed ignore quran if it all the verses in it that advocate killing & rape of non-muslims are removed, which eventually leads to the making of Islamic heroes like Azmal Qasab and Osama Bin Laden.

        3.There is absolutely no problem in Muslims going to Mecca ! But my counter question is – Why Muslims have problem in letting Non-Muslims go to Mecca if Isla, indeed means Peace and Equality. Afterall we are all God’s children then why this discrimination???

        4. Quran was compiled 20 yrs after the death of Muhamad and has some blatant contradictions and infact if you look at it more closely, Muhammad’s original message of Peace was twisted into message of violence of violence by the so-called shahadas to meet their political ambitions. For details kindly refer – http://agniveer.com/3118/miracle-islam/
        Regarding deficiency of intelligence, kindly refer sahih bukhari. I will give you just a sample –
        Women have a deficiency of intelligence, meaning that their decisions will not be comparable to a man’s. [Bukhari (48:826)]

      • 1. Quran never said dat Mohammad(S.A.W.) had concubines n sex slaves as wat u r claiming….

        2. Excuse me Ajmal Kasab or Laden r not islamic heroes, so how come u make dem one…. n by da way Quran never preaches violence…. its jus a few guys who take quotes out of context n make out a complete different meaning.

        3. I could simply give example from gita where your god krishna asks Arjun to kill Karna who is actually Arjun’s brother. If a person who who does not know about mahabharat reads dis will only get a impression dat Krishna is evil as he is asking a person to kill his own brother….. I hope dat da next time u copy paste something u will verify da whole context….

        4. If non-muslims do not believe in Quran den y wud someone in der full mind wud like 2 go over to mecca….. I dont think its a tourist hot spot n is rather a religious hot spot…. I wud definitely not like to go to kashi vishwanath temple or tirumala venkateshwara temple even if dey allow me wich dey obviously will not allow…

      • irshad,

        1. your knowledge of islam is very bleak. go to any of your aalim and ask him about maria and rehana ! Brother irshad, if any text claims that your father slept with your maid in your mother’s absence and wen your mother objected he threatened her with the wrath of allah if she protested. Whom will you reject – your father or that text which claims so ?? Choice is yours ! pls don’t take it otherwise , i gave this example ONLY BECAUSE i want you to empathise with the situation.

        2. irshad can you give me a single verse from the quran which talks about PEACE and EQUALITY b/w muslims and non-muslims ??? just one ayat !!

        3. krishan told arjun to kill karn because he was on the path of adharm, NOT BECAUSE KARN DIDN’T SUBSCRIBED TO A PARTICULAR FAITH !

        4. here your islamic mentality is finally exposed !! if quran is for entire mankind then why restrict non-muslims from visiting it ???
        now this is where islam differs from humanity .. you as a muslim don’t want to visit kashi vishwanath, because the faith that you have subscribe to doesn’t allow you to join the other gang! ( now this is as per islam, coz’ it divides humanity into two categories – muslims and kafirs). but, vedas say otherwise – vasudhaiv kutumbakam – one world, one family. and this, as per any rational mind, is coherent with the concept of God, considering we all are his creation ! what say ?

      • 1. I guess u hav not done ur homework before making a statement Hazrat Maria n Hazrat Rehana were wives of Prophet Mohammad(S.A.W.)…. n wat do u mean by dis text n maid…. I hope u find a good example instead of asking others 2 emphasize…

        2. da below r a few quotes from Holy Quran:

        “Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden (paradise) whose width is that of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous – Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity or in adversity, who restrain (their) anger and pardon (all) men – for God loves those who do good.” Chapter 3, Verses 133-134

        If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. [8:61]

        “Repel (evil) with what is better. Then will he, between whom and thee was hatred, become as it were thy friend and intimate. And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint.” Chapter 41, Verse 34 and 35

        “There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.”. [2:256]

        dese above quotes r jus a few of many quotes wich speaks about human compassion,peace, equality etc

        3. I very well know wat Krishna had said…. but i jus wanted 2 know wat if some one who does not know mahabharat reads dis quote where Krishna asks Arjun to kill Karna.

        4. well I pity u… u r contradicting urself…. u initially said dat Holy Quran is not da word of god as it has been distorted so cannot b believed by you and non-muslims den y do u guys want 2 visit a place wich Holy Quran asks muslims 2 visit n dis is da statement from holy Quran wich u actually dont believe…. Do u have nything 2 say abt it???

        “O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous.” Chapter 49, Verse 13

        dis above quote say dat all humans r creation of Allah Almighty….

      • Mere Pyaare bhai Irshad,

        1. Can you give me ayaats of quran which proves that rehana and maria were muhammad’s wife !

        2. I had said earlier that your knowledge of Islam is very bleak and with this very comment you have proved my point. Seems like you don’t know about Mansūkh and Nāsikh ayaats or you are deliberately avoiding to run away from further embarrasment.
        All the Ayaats that you have been given are CANCELLED Ayaats :

        a. verse 8.61 has been cancelled by Verse 9.5 and 9.29

        b. verse 41.34-35 has again been cancelled by Verse 9.5

        c. Verse 2.256 has been cancelled by Verse 9.5 again

        And this is what these verses say –

        Quran 9:5 – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

        Quran 9.29 – Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

        In summary, my challenge remains open. Cite me one Ayat from Quran whic talks about peace compassion b/w humans irrespective of being muslim or non-muslim. Look what kind of ‘Word of God” is this that you don’t even have any ayaat which talks about peace and compassion b/w his creation !

      • Mere Bade bhai Amitesh,

        1. Y can’t u show me da proof in Quran wich proves dat Mohammad(S.A.W.) had Hazrat Rehana and Hazrat Maria as his sex slaves.

        2. I very well know what nasikh-mansukh aayats mean but I doubt ur knowledge abt it. Firstly I wud ask u get to know wat nasikh and mansukh aayats means.

        3. Am I sitting in some kind of a algebra or science class where minus of minus is plus or vice versa. What is dis cancellation theory boss.

        4. Verse no. 2.256 and 9.5 were used at two different instances, so i wud request u understand da context before quoting or using dis negation theory.

        5. I already given u da verses in my previous comment wich asks muslims 2 live in peace n self restraint.

        6. And if u want 2 quote quranic verses out of context den even I can also quote verses from ur vedas, gita etc where it preaches its followers 2 kills others.

      • Irshad ,
        1. 1st you said that rehana and maria were muhammad’s wife. when I asked for the proof, which you don’t have, you are counter-questioning me to prove that maria and rehana were muhammad’s slave! Good.
        Brother, forget about the proof, instead you tell me, how were they actually related to muhammad if they were not muhammad’s wife as per quran and hadiths as Muhammad had a son named Ibrahim with Maria !

        2. Instead I would ask you to explain me why did you quoted Abrogated ayats when quran 2.106 clearly says that allah come up with a better ayat.

        3. cancelletion theory is nothing but the brainchild of some semi-literates who 1400 yrs ago, who for their political ambitions, degraded the legacy of muhammad. BTW, your curiosity is completely valid, as why would Allah cancel his own words ?

        4. you enlighten us with the right context..that wud be much more beneficial

        5. I gave you those verses which cancel the ones you gave

        6. show me a single instance whre i have quoted ayats out of context!

      • Buddy

        It was u who started making claims of Rehana (R.A.) and Maria (R.A.) being Mohammad’s (S.A.W.) sex slaves so u need 2 prove dis accusation instead of counter-questioning me……

        When I already said dat Maria (R.A.) was Mohammad’s(S.A.W.) wife den again u make a statement dat I said dat dey wer not husband and wife. Just get a grip of what u r saying. u look confused….

        Its u who had been distorting aayats and not me who’s quoting abrogated aayats.

        I think cancellation theory is something brought up by chicken headed people to malign other religions in today’s world……….

        U giv me da aayat n I will explain u da context as simple as that…….

      • Irshad ,

        I asked you to to give me ayats from quran which say that rehana and maria were muhammad’s wife. This proves my point. But let me enlist some sample for you:

        Tabari IX:137 – Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty.

        Tabari VIII:117 – Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself… the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims.

        So much so that even maria started doubting muhammad’s intention –

        Bukhari :Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311:
        Narrated Aisha:

        I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Apostle and I used to say, “Can a lady give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).’ (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.”

        You said – I think cancellation theory is something brought up by chicken headed people to malign other religions in today’s world…

        Quran 2.106 says – Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?

        Now brother Irshad, you decide who is the chicken head here… me or …….

      • These below r actual quotes from da Al-Tabari so I hope u got wat u wer asking for.

        1. Mohammad married Asma bint al-Mu’man bin al-Aswad bin Sharahil. However, she had leprosy, so Mohammad gave her money and divorced her. (Al-Tabari vol.9 p.137)

        2. Dihyah did n