- Sita’s Agnipariksha in Ramayan
- Polygamy in Hinduism
- FAQ on Hinduism – IITian thrashes Zakir Naik
- ‘Concept of God in Hinduism’
- Introduction to Hinduism (edited with comments)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Vedas (Part 3)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Bhavishya Puran (Part 2)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – An analysis (Part 1)
Dr Naik provides a very detailed analysis of verses of Bhavishya Puran along with references. The only mistake he made was that he presented a completely opposite picture of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) compared to what Bhavishya Puran actually writes. (Refer http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=201&Itemid=131)
http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.com/ provides an excellent analysis of the relevant portions of Bhavishya Puran with scans of original texts and dictionary meanings of the key words.
In summary, the actual meaning of the verses is as follows:
“Shri Suta Goswami said that a demon called Tripurasur who was earlier burnt to ashes by Shiva has taken birth again in form of Mahamada (Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of an evil ghost. The ghost was rebuked by Kalidas as “O rascal, you have created an illusion to bewilder the king, I will kill you, you are the lowest…”
Further, the ghost called Mahamada comes in dream of King Bhoja and says,
“O king, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still I am going to establish a terrible and demoniac religion by the order of the Lord . The symptoms of my followers will be that they first of all will cut their genitals, have no shikha, but having beard, be wicked, make noise loudly and eat everything. They should eat animals without performing any rituals. This is my opinion. They will perform purificatory act with the musala or a pestle as you purify your things with kusha. Therefore, they will be known as musalman, the corrupters of religion. Thus the demoniac religion will be founded by me.”
It is amply clear that contrary to Dr Naik’s claims, Mahamada (Muhammad) is being condemned here as a demon and not as a spiritual person. Far from being a Kalki Avatar, Muhammad is being foretold as a devil harbinger of nuisance!
Having analyzed the verses, let us analyze a few more points regarding Bhavishya Puran:
- Bhavishya Puran is not considered an authoritative religious scripture. It is amply clear that the book continued to be written till late 19th century. Because it also contains stories of Jesus Christ, Akbar, Sawai Jai Singh, Alha Udal, Tulsidas, Surdas, Guru Nanak, Shahjahan, Aurangzeb, Shivaji and even Queen Victoria and her Parliament. Bulk of the material seems to be written during foreign rule. Thus, Bhavishya Puran does not even come in category of evidence, when it comes to Hindu religion. It is at best a frivolous non-serious text.
- If one takes Bhavishya Puran seriously, it implies that he believes that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a devil and reincarnation of demon called Tripurasur. This is a great insult to founder of Islam. To best of our knowledge, if one insults the Prophet in guise of a Muslim preacher promoting Islam, Shariah laws recommend death sentence for such a person.
- Also, if Dr Naik has so much trust on Bhavishya Puran and considers the book so prophetic, why does he not admit other advices of the book – the fastings on specific days and their benefits, worship of different idols, avoidance of meat, celibacy, shraadh, prohibition of marriage among close relatives, agnihotra, holy places, cow protection etc. And accordingly, he should refuse to believe in those verses of Quran which are against the precepts of Bhavishya Puran.
In the next part of the series, we shall critically examine the claim of Prophet Muhammad in Vedas.
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More on Bhavishya Puran:
Extracted from http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.com/
Bhavishya Purana : The Prediction of Islam And Muhammad
According to Bhavishya purana
Mahamada (Incarnation of Tripurasura the demon) = Dharmadushika (Polluter of righteousness)
Religion founded by Mahamada = Paisachyadharama (demoniac religion)
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Original Sanskrit Version: Bhavishya Puran: Prati Sarg: Part III:3,3 5-27
Translation source:
(http://www.indiadivine.org/articles/188/1/Bhavishya-Purana-The-Prediction-of-Islam/Page1.html)
[From the third part of the Pratisarga Parva.]
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Shri Suta Gosvami said: In the dynasty of king Shalivahana, there were ten kings who went to the heavenly planets after ruling for over 500 years. Then gradually the morality declined on the earth. At that time Bhojaraja was the tenth of the kings on the earth. When he saw that the moral law of conduct was declining he went to conquer all the directions of his country with ten-thousand soldiers commanded by Kalidasa. He crossed the river Sindhu and conquered over the gandharas, mlecchas, shakas, kasmiris, naravas and sathas. He punished them and collected a large ammount of wealth. Then the king went along with Mahamada (Muhammad), the preceptor of mleccha-dharma, and his followers to the great god, Lord Shiva, situated in the desert. He bathed Lord Shiva with Ganges water and worshipped him in his mind with pancagavya (milk, ghee, yoghurt, cow dung, and cow urine) and sandalwood paste, etc. After he offered some prayers and pleased him.
Suta Goswami said: After hearing the king’s prayers, Lord Shiva said: O king Bhojaraja, you should go to the place called Mahakakshvara, that land is called Vahika and now is being contaminated by the mlecchas. In that terrible country there no longer exists dharma. There was a mystic demon named Tripura(Tripurasura), whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada(Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of a ghost. Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghost. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified. Hearing this the king came back to his country and Mahamada(Muhammad) came with them to the bank of the river Sindhu. He was expert in expanding illusion, so he said to the king very pleasingly: O great king, your god has become my servant. Just see, as he eats my remnants, so I will show you. The king became surprised when he saw this just before them. Then in anger Kalidasa rebuked Mahamada(Muhammad) “O rascal, you have created an illusion to bewilder the king, I will kill you, you are the lowest…”
That city is known as their site of pilgrimage, a place which was Madina or free from intoxication. Having a form of a ghost (Bhuta), the expert illusionist Mahamada(Muhammad) appeared at night in front of king Bhojaraja and said: O king, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still I am going to establish a terrible and demoniac religion by the order of the Lord . The symptoms of my followers will be that they first of all will cut their genitals, have no shikha, but having beard, be wicked, make noise loudly and eat everything. They should eat animals without performing any rituals. This is my opinion. They will perform purificatory act with the musala or a pestle as you purify your things with kusha. Therefore, they will be known as musalman, the corrupters of religion. Thus the demoniac religion will be founded by me. After having heard all this the king came back to his palace and that ghost(Muhammad) went back to his place.
The intelligent king, Bhojaraj established the language of Sanskrit in three varnas – the brahmanas, kshatriyas and vaisyas – and for the shudras he established prakrita-bhasha, the ordinary language spoken by common men. After ruling his kingdom for 50 years, he went to the heavenly planet. The moral laws established by him were honored even by the demigods. The arya-varta, the pious land is situated between Vindhyacala and Himacala or the mountains known as Vindhya and Himalaya. The Aryans reside there, but varna-sankaras reside on the lower part of Vindhya. The musalman people were kept on the other side of the river Sindhu.
On the island of Barbara, Tusha and many others also the followers of Isamsiha were also situated as they were managed by a king or demigods.
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Note This
Lord Shiva said: O king Bhojaraja, you should go to the place called Mahakakshvara, that land is called Vahika and now is being contaminated by the mlecchas. In that terrible country there no longer exists dharma. There was a mystic demon named Tripura(Tripurasur), whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada(Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of a ghost.
According to Bhavishya Purana Muhammad was the rebirth of Tripurasura the Demon.
Tripurasura was killed by Shiva in his(Tripurasura’s) past life.
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Tripurasura’s Past life (Mythology[not from bhavishya purana])
source(http://www.ashtavinayaktemples.com/temple.asp?serialno=3&tempid=T009)
Tripurasur was the son of Sage Gritsamad. One day the sage sneezed and from this was created a young boy who the Sage brought up as his own son. The sage taught the boy the Ganana Twam, Ganesh Mantra. Equipped with this mantra the boy meditated intensely on Lord Ganesh who ultimately blessed him. He was given three pura-s of gold silver and iron. Since he was the owner of these three pura-s he was given the name Tripur. Ganesh also bestowed on Tripur to be the most powerful, who none but Lord Shiva himself could destroy and after being destroyed by Lord Shiva he would attain mukti-salvation.
This boon made Tripur proud and he brought havoc in the entire world. He conquered the Nether world and then proceeded to takeover Heaven. He defeated Indra the king of heaven. His aggression made Lord Brahma hide in a lotus and Lord Vishnu in the Shirsagar. He soon also took over Lord Shiva’s Kailash Parvat and thus became the King of all the three worlds. The gods wondered on how to vanquish Tripurasur. Lord Narada told them that, since he had been granted a boon by Lord Ganesh himself it would be very difficult to vanquish him. He advised them to meditate on Lord Ganesh. Pleased Lord Ganesh decided to help the Gods.
Disguised as brahmin he visited Tripurasur and told him that he was a very enlightened Brahmin and could make for him three flying planes. Riding these he woud be able to go anywhere he wished within minutes. The planes could only be destroyed by Shiva.In return Lord Ganesh asked him to get him the statue of Chintamani which was at the Kailash Mountain. Lord Shiva refused to give the statue to Tripurasur’s messenger. The angry Tripurasur himself went to get the statue. A fierce battle started between him and Lord Shiva. He destroyed everything that belonged to the Lord Shiva who too retired to the Girikandar.
Lord Shiva too realized that he was unable to destroy Tripurasur because he had not paid his respects to Lord Ganesh. He recited the Shadaakshar Mantra to invoke Ganesh. On doing so from his mouth emerged Gajanan to grant Shiva a boon. Shiva continued his invocation of Ganesh who ultimately directed him on how Tripurasur could be killed. Lord Shiva was asked to recite the Sahastranam and then direct an arrow at the three pura-s of Tripurasur.
Lord Shiva followed these instructions and finally vanquished Tripurasur.
The place where Lord Shiva invoked Lord Ganesh he also created a temple for him. The town surrounding this temple was called Manipur. The village Ranjangaon is considered to be the place where Lord Shiva himself sought the blessings of Ganesh and ultimately destroyed Tripurasur.
This prayer (chalisa) praises the Lord Shiva (Related to Tripurasura killing)
Tripurasur sang yuddha machayi,
sabahin kripa kari leen bachayi.
By fighting and killing the Demon Tripurasur,
You forgave everybody and saved the Gods.
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Mlechha (meaning)
(from Sanskrit dictionary)
म्लेच्छ mleccha
1 A barbarian,a non Aryan ( One not speaking the Sanskrit Language or not conform in to Hindu or Aryan institutions),a foreigner in general
2 An Outcast, a very low man, Bodhayana thus defines the word:
gomAmsakhAdako yastu viruddhaM bahubhAshhate | sarvAchAravihInashcha mlechchha ityabhidhiiyate |
He who eats cow’s meat, and speaks a lot against shastras and he, who is also devoid of all forms of spiritual practice, is called a mlechha.
3 A sinner, A wicked person, A savage or barbarian race
etc…
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Paisachya (meaning)
(from Sanskrit dictionary)
Paisachya
Demonical, Infernal
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Tripurasura
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Asura (meaning)
(from Sanskrit dictionary)
Asura असुर
1 An evil spirit,demon
2 A general name for the enemies of Gods,
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In the next part of the series, we shall critically examine the claim of Prophet Muhammad in Vedas. Again we would find that Zakir Naik is insulting both Prophet and Vedas to serve his dubious and shameful agenda.
To the Agniveer and his teams some quotes from Muslims on India and its culture
Yaqubi (9th century) Muslim historian has written:
“The Hindus are superior to all other nations in intelligence and thoughtfulness. They are more exact in astronomy and astrology than any other people.
“The Siddhanta is a good proof of their intellectual powers; by this book the Greeks and Persians have also profited. In medicine their opinion ranks first.”
Al-Jahiz 9th century Muslim historian writes:
“The Hindus excel in astrology, mathematics, medicine and in various other sciences. They have developed to a perfection arts like sculpture, painting, and architecture. They have collections of poetry, philosophy, literature and science of morals. From India we received the book called Kalilah wa Dimnah. These people have judgment and are brave. They posses the virtues of cleanliness and purity. Contemplation has originated with them.”
(source: The Vision of India – By Sisirkumar Mitra p. 226).
The medieval Arab scholar Sa’id Ibn Ahmad al-Andalusi (1029-1070) wrote in his Tabaqat al-‘umam, one of the earliest books on history of sciences:
“The first nation to have cultivated science is India. … India is known for the wisdom of its people. Over many centuries, all the kings of the past have recognized the ability of the Indians in all the branches of knowledge… The kings of China have stated that the kings of the world are five in number and all the people of the world are their subjects. They mentioned the king of China, the king of India, the king of the Turks, the king of the Persians, and the king of the Romans… They referred to the king of India as the “king of wisdom” because of the Indians’ careful treatment of ulum (sciences) and all the branches of knowledge. … The Indians, known to all nations for many centuries, are the metal (essence) of wisdom, the source of fairness and objectivity. They are people of sublime pensiveness, universal apologues, and useful and rare inventions. … To their…
Arabic poet Livi writes,
“Blessed land of Hind, thou art worthy of reverence, for in thee has GOD revealed true knowledge of Himself. What a pure light do these four revealed books afford to our mind’s eyes like the charming and cool lustre of the dawn ! These four GOD revealed upon His prophets (Rishis) in Hind. Those treasuries are the Sama and Yajur which GOD has preached. O my brothers, revere these, for they all tell us the good news of salvation. The next two of these four, the Rig and the Atharva, teach us lessons of universal brotherhood. These two Vedas are the beacons that warn us to turn towards that goal (universal brotherhood).”
Muslim Historian Wassaf Abdulla writes
“India, according to the concurrent opinion of all writers, is the most agreeable abode on earth and the most pleasant quarter of the world. Its dust is purer than air and its air is purer than purity itself.”
Arabic Hassan Al Qifti says
“Among those parts of their sciences which came to us, the numerical calculation….it is the swiftest and most complete method of calculation, the easiest to understand and the simplest to learn; it bears witness to the Indians’ piercing intellect, fine creativity and their superior understanding and inventive genius.”
Famous writer Rele has mentioned
Our present knowledge of the nervous system fits in so accurately with the internal description of the human body given in the Vedas. Then the question arises whether the Vedas are really religious books or books on anatomy of the nervous system and medicine.
4th Caliph Ali Bin Abi Talib mentioned about India as:
The land where books were first written and from where wisdom and knowledge sprang is India.”
Another Caliph Umar quotes:
I don’t believe in attacking India though it is true that Indian rivers are pearls, her mountains rubies, her trees perfumes because India is the only country of complete freedom of thought and belief where Muslims and others were free to practice their faith.
Indian Muslim Aliama Iqbal says:
Ancient civilizations of Greece, Egypt and Rome have all disappeared from this world, but the elements of Indian civilization still continue. Although world-events have been inimical to Hindu for centuries, there is something in Hindu civilization which has withstood these onslaughts.
M J Akbar – A Muslim journalist quoted that
If Hinduism has a defining message, then it is humanism. There is space in its philosophy for everyone, which is one reason why India is a home to every single religion in the world. Anyone who has been persecuted anywhere else has found an undisturbed heaven in India. This remained true even when men distorted the philosophy of Hinduism and introduced the inequities of caste: The attitude of Hinduism to other faiths continued to be liberal. Hinduism is synonymous with humanism. That is its essence and its great liberating quality.
This proves that most of the ancient Arabic scholars respected India & nowadays Muslims insult India – definitely, they are insulting their own forefathers. :-D. True Islam is actually following Sanaatan Dharma & all those who disagree with this insult their ancestors. 😀
@Spirit
Dog video is another proof Islam is true religion. Kaffirs are worsened than Dogs who do not understand this. You should learn lesson from Dog.
http://agniveer.com/479/prophet-puran/#comment-68020
Slim Shaikh,
Dog video is another proof Islam is true religion. Kaffirs are worsened than Dogs who do not understand this. You should learn lesson from Dog.
You should be ashamed even dogs proved that they are real momins as they showed signs!!!!!!!!!! But you are not that kind of m0min. You were unable to show any signs (!!!!!!!) 8) . No problem dear. We will meet in judgement day. I shall be sitting in the next seat of Muhammad. I shall take part in intercession……………. See you there……buddy
@Spirit
Do not worry you cant meet me in heaven. Only Muslim will go in heaven not kaffirs & you are kaffir or non-believer. If you try to understand all animals & birds recite Allah name. But Kaffirs like you can not listen & understand their languages. Even scientist are stunned cow also recited Allah name on the occasion of Bakra-EID.
Don’t worry Spirit brother,
Don’t take Slim Shaikh seriously, it is definitely true that Allah forgot to put brain when he created Slim Shaikh or told Satan to create Slim Shaikh. No other 3rd option can result in this Slim Shaikh. We don’t have to worry at all. Father of Atom Bomb Julius Robert Oppenheimer would be in hell with us since he was a kaffir. He will tell him to make 3 atom bombs. One for False prophet Mohammed, One for false heaven Jannat and third one for false GOD – Allah. After he destroys the 3 as mentioned; we will use architect champions (Ancient India & Greece was full of them & co – incidentally none were Muslims) and tell them to make some good item out of this hell. We believe in our guts & we are genuinely hardworking UNLIKE Mohammedans who are plain thieves. We would make hell a better place and then Muslims like Slim Shaikh and his family will feel jealous and would desire to stay in hell. WOW! Slim Shaikh himself elaborated all the loopholes in his beliefs.
Pranam Brother Vedic God is Great. The cause of This Slim Shaikh persisting in quran is that he got lure of endless flow of alcohol, 72 virgins in the heaven. Bro Slim Shaikh, if alcohol and brothel are forbidden in here why allah made those as reward?? Can u answer this simple question? Afterwards, just imagine u died as a m0min and got 72 virgins in heaven. Will that not be a mental sick for your momin children that their father is enjoying 72 houris??! Brother why are u being gulliable? Man is falliable. No problem there. But persisting in falsehood is not right. U shud apply ur freethinking. Dhanyawad
Dear KalBhairav,
“There is no need of regular prophets from time to time which the latest prophet being more correct than the previous prophet.”
I couldn’t have said it better myself. The Dharmic belief perspective of the world is vastly different than the weak and false perspective the abrahamic view. Dharmic view is more universal. Unlike the abrahmic people who believe in prophets while the Dharmic people believe in Rishis. The clear difference is prophets are history centric while Rishis are not. This probably is the hardest thing for abrahmic people to understand. And that is why you have so called scholars, but I call them weirdios and fools from the abrahmic side that mistranslate Sanskrit words because they don’t understand the actual meaning behind the words.
Most people know that prophet is someone who comes that one time a long freekin time ago with a so called message of god and that becomes the word. No else can be that prophet except that particular person. More important, no one else can experience the same thing that so called prophet experience. Good example would be, if a so called prophet made a fantastic claim like, I received the word of god and it will be delivered to me by this fairy/angel for a length of twenty years and I will put it in a book and everyone must believe it because it is the message of god, people must believe in this fairy tail. There is no way for them to check it out for themselves. This so called prophet does not teach other people how to receive this same message through an angel as well. Because it is limited to the prophet. Making the prophet concept a very limited and unverifiable concept.
With the Rishi concept, which is the Dharmic view of everything is much different. If there is a fantastic claim that a Rishi makes, he or she knows it all comes down to experience. What that Rishi experienced must be re-experienced by others so it maybe proved for every single individual. If a Rishi claims that he or she received a message from a fairy or…
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With the Rishi concept, which is the Dharmic view of everything is much different. If there is a fantastic claim that a Rishi makes, he or she knows it all comes down to experience. What that Rishi experienced must be re-experienced by others so it maybe proved for every single individual. If a Rishi claims that he or she received a message from a fairy or angel, than he will show all his followers how to reproduce that same experience. This also goes for the Vedas. Depending on which Hindu group you ask, it was produced by at least four different Rishis. Some might say many more. That means the ideas in the Vedas were reproduced by different people who experienced the same thing and it was verifiable. And again it depends on which group of Hindus you ask this too. But many Hindus do believe there is no such thing as the word of god. Only the inspired word of God. For God does not talk to man, but God only inspires man. That is key point to understand. And that is the Dharmic way to look at things.
Another good example from another Dharmic brother is Buddha. The word Buddha means awakened. And Buddha points out that there were many Buddha before me and will be many Buddhas after me. What I have achieved and experience has been experienced by many many before me and will be experience after me. The difference is, the abrhamic view is exclusive while the Dharmic experience is inclusive when it comes to the experience of major characters of the faith. And this is probably the most important thing that most abrahamic religions do not understand about Dharmic religions. Many followers of the abrhamic view are caught up so much in history centrism and arguments with historical proofs and ect, but forget the ultimate proof is for us to experience the the same thing the person claiming to make extraordinary achievements and experiences is making. If we can’t experience the same thing and that means to receive the so called word of god for ourselves so we can independently check it for ourselves then…
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Another good example from another Dharmic brother is Buddha. The word Buddha means awakened. And Buddha points out that there were many Buddha before me and will be many Buddhas after me. What I have achieved and experience has been experienced by many many before me and will be experience after me. The difference is, the abrhamic view is exclusive while the Dharmic experience is inclusive when it comes to the experience of major characters of the faith. And this is probably the most important thing that most abrahamic religions do not understand about Dharmic religions. Many followers of the abrhamic view are caught up so much in history centrism and arguments with historical proofs and ect, but forget the ultimate proof is for us to experience the the same thing the person claiming to make extraordinary achievements and experiences is making. If we can’t experience the same thing and that means to receive the so called word of god for ourselves so we can independently check it for ourselves then the so called prophets are bullshit. That is why I go with the Rishi view of the world. At least there is a chance for me to be inspired by God myself and independently check the experience myself and see if the Rishis are telling the truth. And in ancient India that Rishis encouraged that. Even Buddha, who was a great Rishi, encouraged his followers to do the same thing. Experience it for yourself brothers and sisters. That is the only truth that can be.
To all my abrahmic brothers and sisters, ask yourself this, can you still follow your faiths if you removed the history from you faith. I mean everything. Better way to put it, can you be a good christian without jesus and reach god. Can you be a good muslim with out mohammed and still reach god. This is very important thing to keep in mind. Because in the Dharmic tradition we remove all the history and historical figures and still reach God. It is the methods and techniques that are important. Not the historical characters of our faith. We can remove…
To all my abrahmic brothers and sisters, ask yourself this, can you still follow your faiths if you removed the history from you faith. I mean everything. Better way to put it, can you be a good christian without jesus and reach god. Can you be a good muslim with out mohammed and still reach god. This is very important thing to keep in mind. Because in the Dharmic tradition we remove all the history and historical figures and still reach God. It is the methods and techniques that are important. Not the historical characters of our faith. We can remove Krishna and Rama and still achieve God. That is the power of Dharam.
Dhanyavad,
Krishna
Atoze sister, you only believe in imaginary stories. Good work – leave this website and go to a printing press and write books on fiction. Would be best selling. No one can beat you in terms of plain imagination. One should learn from you – how to convert truth to falsehood. I can refute your each word but such debate (obviously to prove pseudo victory) is characteristic of you Muslim only. Therefore, I leave you on your fate. Muslims tell a lie that Islam is fastest growing religion. HAHAHA – best joke. Anyways, I am not interested in talking to u at all. Find some better work to do rather than converting a Vedic follower. Your all attempts will remain futile. I challenge Allah to convert me. Even Allah failed – forgot of others. Muslim nations suffer from too much earthquake – Allah hates Islam. See you at day of judgement. Good Bye.
Atoze
Flying donkey,shooting stars,72 virgins ,wheeping stones ,talking ants ,splitting moon are scientific facts of Islam and how many intellectual scientists have praised these non-sense.Zoroastrians were became muslims by miracles a laughable statement , while none of iranian has claimed this idiotic story rather Iranians admit that their ancestors were forcifully converted and nowadays many Iranians are slowly embrassing their mother religion.There is no proof of this garib nawaz’s miracle, it is the fake propagonda by the muslims to spread lies.Only in India where astronomy,medicine ,mathematics,democracy and civilisation arises first .
@Prithvi
Why are u bringing 72 virgins again & again in discussion? Its true fact whoever worships Allah & do Namaj all five times will be awarded virgins by Allah. & If you hate virgin you ought to not marry with a virgin girl. You can choose harlot/call girl as your wife.
first you should think logically and come out from superstition, the way you people are talking as finding errors in other religions but saying your religion is best, this website is to refute the rubbish claims on vedas and Indian religion.
@Slim Shaikh : So you agreed that people do namaz and all that is done in the name of Islam so that Allah grants them with virgins after Death( to enjoy bodily pleasures)
@Atoze : As per the surah 27:18 , how did the ants understand it was “solomon and his armies” that would crush them?
Thank you Atoze sister for this great information.
You have proved that Abrahamic religions copied their concepts from ancient Indian books. Now, Quran was written in 6th century. Indian books were written much before that. Nowhere Quran discusses about Indian revelation. Your books don’t acknowledge the source. In 1900 BCE, your first book Torah was revealed by Allah. Yet it has copied facts from Vedas written way before that. Please read Bhavishya Puran in detail first. Not only Quran but also Bible is copied from it. Proof::: http://nitaaiveda.com/All_Scriptures_By_Acharyas/Puranas/Bhavishya_Purana_-_Bible.htm
You have proved who actually your GOD is… Ancient Indians were such champions that your GOD has to copy its revelations from them. (I am not discriminating GOD but your books tell to do so. Muslims hate Jews & vice versa not knowing the fact that both are created by same creator. Applies true for Christians too. If these 3 are created by same GOD, they should not be hated first of all. It seems that you people assume that there are 4 creators – Muslim creator Allah, Christian creator Lord GOD, Jew creator – Alwhym & 4th is Pagan GOD. If all these 4 are same then we all are created by one. Why you hate a Non Muslim NOW?? Why don’t you realize the basic fact that even Kaffirs are created by the same creator??? Forget of Kaffirs, Allah created Shaitaan.)
Regarding Mohammed – no he isn’t Kalki Avatar. There are at least 100 differences between the 2. Even if he is – how can his story is predicted accurately way before your books were written? That proves that Indian books were works of first prophet (Rishi-s). Your all books fail to acknowledge that. Most important point is: while Vedic origin of the Universe is 22.56324 billion years (well accepted by many scientists) – Bible origin is only 4,450 BCE – you people don’t even know how to copy. Even the science of Quran is copied from Greek mathematicians including Aristotle & Leviticus. Anyways, I am not interested in discussing further what &…
@Atonz
You have been defending Islam on this website from many days. But I am interest to know Why do you believe Islam is best
religion. Please write in points briefly. How Islam is different from Vedic religion. & dont write any bogus of Purans etc. on this Vedic website.
@Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm
I don’t think Islam needs to be defended by me. Allah is there to defend his Islam. Allah has said that he will cut off a person who hates his beloved Prophet Muhammad ( may Allah send His blessing on him ).
People have double standards in religion, on one hand they say that Islam needs to be renewed, on the other hand they want to retain old religions and don’t want any new religion. A University can at any time change its syllabus and introduce a new one. No one will object. The new syllabus may have parts of old curriculum. There is no opposition. However, If God gives a new book, a new criteria, people will not accept it. They want to retain the old ways, old scriptures which they have changed to suit themselves. Because Islam is spreading, the non muslims have started attacking Islam and started finding faults in it resorting to telling lies. Muslims have till now not done that i.e., They have not studied other religions, once they start doing that you will see that they will find hordes of faults other religions. ‘there is a saying aa bail mujhe maar’ By attacking Islam people on this site are doing that only. Muslims will start finding faults in your religion. The false propaganda being done by western society is being advocated on this site. False translations are being given. Asatya boolenge to aitraz to karna he padega.
You are asking whats good about Islam ? It is difficult to write all about it here. You can write a treatise on it.
@Atoze
Namaste Brother
Will you tell If Allah is eternal why not his laws are eternal? What do you understand by religion? Why Allah Wished of his worship? How can a wishful entity blissful? Why Allah could not protect its previous revelations? Why does Allah get annoyed for not worshiping him & send the souls in eternal hell? Why does Allah depend on postman to send his massages like human world? Will Allah create a universe again after destruction of this present universe? Will Allah give up its eternal attribute of being creator by not creating universe after day of resurrection? Why Allah failed to give a universal massage without mentioning name of any place, geography, history etc.? Why this favoritism if all world is creation of Allah?
Rigveda 8/33/17: INDRASHCHIDDHA TADBRAVEETSTRIYA ASHASYAM MANAH, UTO AHA KRATU RAGHUM
“Lord Indra himself has said, ‘The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.’ ”
Look what vedas said about Women – Can anybody here to refute????
@Mohammed
Allah is a cruel entity because he punishes the souls eternally just for not worshiping him. Allah is not merciful. Allah is saitan. Can anybody refute me? If anybody refute my claim I will accept Islam within no time.
please explain word by word and don’t give your own meaning.I already quotes the sanskrit verses so please refute it by giving exact meaning word by word.
@mohammed
Why do not you explain word by word for proving your claim “Women insulted in Veda”. Are u a gullible guy?
& Do not forget this to answer me.
http://agniveer.com/479/prophet-puran/#comment-70390
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm :
Why Another Religion Apart From Islam Is Not Good by Dr Zakir Naik – Part 1of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-0fTLE4F94
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm :
Why Another Religion Apart From Islam Is Not Good by Dr Zakir Naik – Part 2of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJGpRdX2L8o&feature=related
Truth Seeker says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm :
All Religion is Good Why Should Follow The Islam Dr Zakir Naik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80t36QoN8Bo&feature=related
atoze
which idiot is saying polyandry in hinduism ,just copy pasting from jocker nalayak and your beloved pakistan websites, all the worst activities contains in your islam but continuing criticising hinduism, thats following your prophet footsteps who insults and massacred the jews.Just blinding towards your jihadi brothers atrocities and cry on others fake atrocities.
Namaskaar Prithvi jee,
Just searching on Google – how many websites are against Islam. Surprisingly – the number exceeds 39. This is the proof that Mohammed made everyone his enemies & nothing more than that. Christians / Jews / Hindus / Atheist / Ex – Muslims they all expose lies of Islam. This proves that Mohammed made enemies wherever he went. (Anti Hindu, Anti Christ websites are all there but run by Muslims only just to defend their faith. This exposes Islam – if they are indeed religion by Allah, such things aren’t needed.) Now, fact is that No Muslim ever dared to challenge them bcoz he knows they will refute all comments. Just because Hindus don’t take them seriously: Muslims are here. If Muslims really have guts, they should have refuted those websites too. The fact is that they cannot. They tried to refute one and all their lies were blatantly exposed. Refuters (whomsoever that might be) only knew the name of the concept and NOT what it actually means. Many Muslims liked those so called refutations WITHOUT verifying the truth. This proves how idiot Muslims are. You can see that great website which corrected all refutations. Some genius master mind created it. Must see – all idiotic claims are debunked there. If you go to homepage, you will find actual list of mistakes.
http://www.1000mistakes.com/CorrectingRefuting.html
Now, all such websites are banned in Islam nations because so called Mohammedan LACKS intellectual debate. They only know how to convince using multiple swords. Majority of Mohammedans say – Islam is religion of peace, if you disagree, you shall be killed. Agniveer originated to thwart all such idiot intentions. Muslims are afraid of that. Now, these terrorists (including Atoze, Slim Shaikh, ZN etc…) insult Hinduism. There is an excellent proverb which says – if owl cannot see when sun rises then he blames the sun for it. Applies to a terrorist Mohammedan very well. HAHAHA
god is great
you have missed some points that ,some hindu websites have praised these islam in many moderate way but not a single islamic website has said a good thing on hinduism,these websites only claims islam is best and other are fake, only hide their real face and steals from other religions.
Prithvi jee,
Namaskaar !
I don’t think there is any Hindu website other than Agniveer / Satyagni which criticizes Islam. But, right — Islam should be perceived a religion of peace & not a religion of terrorism. Hindus know that and hence Agniveer even has articles saying what can Islam teach us. Must read — In one of the videos uploaded by Atoze only; it says Islam is hijacked by some idiot. Even Agniveer agrees that Islam is hijacked by Mullahs. So, Atoze is right but she is using her knowledge to attack Hinduism — if she could have used her skills to prevent her Islam from such hijacks & eliminate terrorism, world would have been a better place to live in. Isn’t it ? Leave it, what is the point in discussing that?
Dear Brother, I have a little disagreement with you. I do not believe that Islam is a religion of peace. A religion that does not acknowledge any other religion is posing itself as a threat to the rest of the Humanity by this very belief only. Islam wants to eliminate all other religions in the world, and they are doing everything to achieve their goal. They are using both physical force and the degradation of other religions to achieve their goal. A religion with this kind of philosophy is a threat to the whole Humanity.
Atoze
continue blaiming on jews and denied the truth of apostates ,leaving islam is not that accepting other religion ,,many ex-muslims want to live a free minded without any restrictions and fear, they always hide their apostasy due to the fear of your pseudo peaceful religion Islam
Main aapse bilkul sahmet hu. Mohammed saahab ke aane ke baad Allah ne rehmat dikhaayee. Mohammed ne bahut tarakki karaayee. Details yeh hai.
1>>> Terrorism increased to 40% from 5%
2>>> Man trying to kill another man for apparently no reason
3>>> Atom Bomb manufacturing became publicly available
4>>> Pollution increased to 67% compared to 13% before Mohammed
5>>> Frequent attack of natural catastrophe
6>>> Obesity and other natural diseases being widespread
7>>> Homosexuality and AIDS prevalent in the world
8>>> Difference between man & death reduced to half
9>>> Human beings living on fossils
Mohammed ke aane ke baad itnaa aaraam huaa ki koi aur messiah nahi kar saktaa. Kaafi insaan kutte ki maut mar rahey hai – toh kyaa hua – DEATH = PEACE.
god is great
if islam has been hijacked then there some limited problems but in all muslim countries they are following discriminations and other cults .Ali Sina has said there is no moderate islam
atoze
you are living in which world 21st or 7th century
even before your allah and muhammad was bornt ,people were highly developed and advanced, Greeks,Persians,Indians,Chinese,Egyptians were very intelligent and scientific, if life has been changed it is due to human’s own thought and hard working and self confidence.
I agree with you. Let’s work off a strategy. We should do something to fight with all unnatural deaths. For road traffic accidents, the best way is to find out root cause and create awareness wherever possible. So, try to get some details and accordingly awareness can be created. If it is possible for someone to make the law stringent accordingly, that would help. Regarding murders also, the root cause is to be analyzed – that will take very long time. Also, terrorism problem is to be taken care of. Let’s attack them one by one. Slowly but gradually Let’s make the world a better place to live in. If you know any website or organization which takes care of Road Safety and other unnatural death cases, please spread the word.
What we are doing is just a drop in the ocean but that ocean would be incomplete without that drop.
– Mother Teresa
After some thought thinking about all the has happened in our past in hinduism, judism, christianity and islamic it seems to me that the contents of all the books are very much the same infact none of them actually teach the reader to be evil but on to defend one self against people that cause harm to people. In hinduism the demons own as Raja Hiranyakashayap (killed by Shri Nirshima), Raja Kansa (killed by Shri Krishna) and King Ravana (killed by Shri Ram) where the incarnations of the same soul which originally is told to us was the person who was the door man to Vishnulok and he was given a shraap (curse) to die by the hands of vishnu on earth, so if we can accept this fact that thee soul of the three great powerful demons who had meditated to get great boons from gods was a soul of greatness then why cant the soul of tripurasur also be a soul of greatness designed to guide to unguided people of islam. The born of tripurasur was said to be from a squeeze from a great great sage. Coming back to the subject of the bhavishya puran my thoughts on the matter is that the soul of tripurasur (aka mohammed so said by the puran) must of been a soul of a high caste as not all souls can acheive what this soul has achieved as in both incarnations the form has had direct contact with the all might lord whom ever it maybe, tripurasur – lord ganesh who granted him the boon but the soul decided to misuse it and was destined for destruction so the story is for told and in the other form as Mohammed – the soul yet again has done something that no ordinary man in the islam religion has yet done and that has contacted the supreme and was said to be the only translator for the islamic people who at the time worshiped alot of deites and he showed the to worship one and also showed them how to better themself without selfish desires. I dont see this a evil, he protected the people that wanted to learn (ilm) through the use of a sword (jihad) but it was to defend oneself – this has been said to be okay to do in all religions so why…
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Explaining and arguing with any muslim is utterly hopelss since they have been so brainwashed. Even a 3 year oild girl in islamic school is taught that Christians are monkeys, jews are pigs and hindus are kafirs. This does not change throughout their life. Whatever you say and try to explain Islam has problem, Muslims will never accept that and they will continue supporting terrorism and their horrible shariat laws. Only Bhagvan vishnu can come and establish the sanatana dharma again…its no job of a human.
SHIVAJI MAHARAJ
WE NEED TRUE PATRIOTS LIKE YOU. REMEMBER WHEN EVIL AURANGZEB KILLED INNOCENT HINDUS, THEN YOUR SWORD SPOKE WITH HIM. NOW, THE HISTORY NEEDS TO BE REPEATED. WE CAN NOT WAIT FOR LORD VISHNU TO COME AND DO THE JUSTICE. IT IS OUR JOB. WE MUST UNITE AND DESTROY AS MANY EVIL MUSLIMS AS WE CAN.
USA AND ISRAEL ARE BOMBING MUSLIMS WORLDWIDE AND SO IS FEW WESTERN NATIONS DOING. UNFORTUNATELY, INDIA IS SLEEPING. HENCE WE ARE IN TROUBLE.
With due respect Mr. Agniveer, Will you please write regarding whether the concept of incarnation is true or whether the concept of Prophet is true w.r.t Vedas and without concerning with other religion?
Thankyou,
Dayal Parkash
Pranam Brother Dayal Prakash,
As far as incarnation theory is concerned, I would say that you don’t have any logical explanation of discarding it. It has been discussed at length in Vedic scriptures. I won’t tell you to follow them but I would rather say that you should judge them.
Now coming to your second inquiry about prophet,,,,, what did you mean? Are you implying to prophet Mohammad? What concept are you talking about? Is that very concept he introduced? Please post your question at length.
Sincerely yours, 🙂
Namaskar agniveer ji,
Mere mann mei ek prashna hai bhaishya puran ke prati. Mai yeh janna chahta hoo jab sab kuch jo ho chuka jo ho raha hai aur jo hoga woh sab vidhi ke vidhaan mei likha hai. Jise sirf or sirf tridev dekh sakte hai. Toh bhavishya puran sahi kaise ho sakta hai. Aapki ati kripa hogi yadi aap meri shanka dur kare.
Dhanyawaad aapka din shubh ho.
yes mohammad is a demonic force because he said don’t buried your daughters alive when they born dont create a caste just like hindus and other non sacred people has done like burhaman is more superior than bheel or shuder don’t worship the stupid figures which you created by yourself dont follow the the rules of killing wives after their husband died like Hindus were following by the concept of satti
if all of such teachings are considered to be evil then the author is might saying that the person who loves the humanity and worship one god is a basically a evil person
and the people who disgrace humanity in so many several ways like sacrificing humans for their gods and worship more than one god is a pattern of good and gentle human beings than all the good and gentle human beings like Hindus is following the pattern of devil coz all of such violence were desired by the devil not god
still Mohammad teachings are bad and the teaching of Hinduism about all such violence are good carry on guys you people are the most stupid creature ever born on this planet
Dear Friend,
Good and evil people are every where in the world irrespective of their religion, yes in hindu religion there were people who followed the rules of demon they called as rakashas and shurdra is not a cast it was the structure and society who used to do the work which came under SERVICES and as you said we worship each and every thing and stupid figures then would like to tell you that we see GOD in every thing which is created and exist in this world irrespective of their form.
We see GOD in everything whether it is stone or trees we see GOD existence in nature in everything that’s what our religion teaches us it does nt teach us to kill others without any reason in the name of GOD or if others don’t follow your religion that means you have to be killed. We respect each and every one and their religion as well that’s why in India from ancient time we did not stop anyone to follow any religion and still the legacy continues in India that’s why our country called secular
and one more thing about india and our purans and granths that is true, know what about ramayana it s authenticity if you could see the adams bridge or RAM SETU which has been proved the ultimate miracle Bridge made thousands of years back beyond science calculations and even our modern science could not understand the secret of floating stones of thousand kgs.
That is our religion and our science and our knowledge which has still given us a stand between other religions.
@ Aniveer
People who don’t believe in Purans also stood up now when it comes the matter of defaming Islam, it can be clealry said that translation was done only to defame. most of the scholars was of the opinion of textual changes has been done in bhavishya puran, which you have also published in ur website.
——“ettismantere maleccha acharya saminvatah”
– In the mean time there came a maleccha acharya.
maleccha is not always used in bad sense. That is evident from other parts of bhavishya purana Pratisarga Parva, Chaturyuga Khanda Dvitiyadhyayah, 19th Chapter, Texts 17 to 32 where macleccha dharma is said to be rightoeus and truth. So the intepretation of Zakir naik as foriegner seems to be correct. Also the the word acharya was used for a great teacher in the ancient times.
“mahamad iti khayatah sihshaysakhasaminvatah”
– Mahamad is he famous(khayatah) as , came along with disciples and companions (shishya and sakha)
“nripasharav mahadevanam marusthala nivasinam”
now from here confusion starts. Majority of the translation give it as the raja bhoja worshipped Shiva dwelling in desert. This might be due to the fact that mahadev in traditional sense is used for Shiva. However if just go by exact word to word translation it should be
– O Lord, mahadev dwelling in the desert.
Some hindu scholars say the king said this to Shiva, but i doubt this is correct. They also translate above lines as – Then the king went along with Mahamada (Muhammad), the preceptor of mleccha-dharma, and his followers to the great god, Lord Shiva, situated in the desert. But this not correct, easily visible, if some one can understand sankrit. Also the whole story becomes incoherent if we take that translation. Why the king should go “along” with mahamad to Shiva in desert ?! ( also shiva resides in kailash paravat we all know according to traditional hindu traditions, which is cold with snow exactly opp to desert !!!! )——-
one can clearly see the difference in different opinions by different scholars .
please go though another version of translation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuDKSTLw8iY
online
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