I was in Class 8. A new teacher came to teach us algebra. He posed a question:

“Ram and Rahim are two brothers. Ram is 8 years elder to Rahim. Also age of Ram is double the age of Rahim. What are the exact ages of Ram and Rahim?”

agniveer

This is how I solved:

Let age of Ram be a.

Let age of Rahim be b.

As per the question,

a = b +8

a = 2b

Substituting second equation in first and solving, b = 8,

Hence, a = 16, b = 8 (Ans)

Another friend of mine, assumed age of Ram to be x and age of Rahim to be y. And hence came to following answer:

x = 16, y = 8 (Ans)

The teacher, gave my friend full marks and gave me zero. I was shocked.

He explained, “As per the solution in textbook prescribed by school – Mathematics for Schools Part 3, you are supposed to assume ages to be x & y only and not a & b.”

When I protested that how does that matter, I still got the same answer, he showed his generosity. He said, “Had you written one final statement that “Age of Ram is 16 years and age of Rahim is 8 years, I would have still given you some marks. But you just wrote a = 16, b = 8 and hence it is completely wrong as per the prescribed book. So as a sincere teacher, loyal to the prescribed book, I must give you zero. I hate to do so, but I am really sorry.”

I still protested politely, “But Sir, isn’t that very obvious? In a class of mathematics, you are supposed to assess my ability to solve and that I have demonstrated well. In fact I have displayed that I understood the concept and have not mugged up the book. Should you not reward that?”

He got angry, “If you argue, I will throw you out of class.”

I was dumbfound. For years I would recollect and narrate this incident, initially with bitterness, and then as a joke.

It is in the recent years, that I realized this joke to be indeed a very “serious” joke. A joke that has killed millions, nurtured seeds of hatred, stunted growth prospects of almost every citizen, spread miseries, crime, frustration, negativity and made hell out of this heavenly world.

Hindu,-Muslim,-Christian...I-don't-care
We did not take our algebra lessons seriously. And we started teaching others. We started punishing others for understanding what we did not understand. Forget about algebra, we did not even take the first basic lesson of life sincerely when our mother would take us on her lap and teach us, “This is fire, this is sky, this is papa, I am mummy.”

In India, she would teach, “Yah Agni hai, Yah Akash hai, Ye Pitaji hain, Main Maa hun.”. In Pakistan perhaps, “Yah Aatish hai, Yah Asman hai, Ye Walid Hain, Main Ammi hun.”

Call it Agni, Aatish or Fire; Akash, Asman or Sky; Father, Pitaji or Walid; Mother, Maa or Ammi – they all refer to same thing.

Whether age of Ram and Rahim be a&b, x&y, a1&a2, u&v, p&q or whatever, it doesn’t matter. I don’t care. What is important is the relationship between the two.

And if we look at the world today, and even the brutal history, this dreaded joke could never be understood by us. Only a few understood, and they are ones whom we call saints. They alone understood that whatever name we call anything, it hardly matters. The essence is all that matters. 

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How easy is it to be a saint! All you need to do is to recall the first education by mother, if you could not study algebra.

But still we find it so tough!

So we have one group shouting, “Proud to be Muslim” and another “Proud to be Hindu” and yet another “Proud to be Christian” and so on.

Ask them, what exactly Muslim, Hindu, Christian mean, and there will be huge debates and research and still no conclusion would be reached.

One would say, Muslim means a peaceful person who submits to will of God. Other would say, Muslim is one who considers Prophet Muhammad to be the last prophet. And so on.

Similarly, Hindu would be someone who believes in Ram and Krishna as God for some people. For others, it would be belief in birth after death. And so on.

Same goes for Christians. For some it is belief in Jesus, for some it is belief that Holy Spirit and Jesus are same, for some it is belief in Bible alone and so on.

In reality these are just names. If you call philosophy of Ram as Islam and philosophy of Prophet as Christianity, it does not matter. These are just words or rather symbols. Call anything as x or a or u or w, who cares.

But still we fight on these words and aspire to establish dominance of our own favorite word.

The irony is that the same word means something different to different sects. Just like you can use the same a & b as notations for a new problem as well. Or in same problem, you can swap a & b to mean age of Rahim & Ram respectively instead of Ram & Rahim.

Whatever name you call, howsomuch efforts you put to define them and explain them, they just remain petty symbols. Depending on time, situation, problem, question, a minimally smart person should gladly be willing to change these symbols with something else. Emotional attachment to symbols is an indication that you did not take your first lesson of life sincerely. You did not understand what algebra is all about. For you, it is more important whether a & b were chosen to solve the problem or x & y. Like the dogmatic teacher, we are paranoid about these symbols rather than appreciating the concepts. And hence, we punish the really deserving and reward the memorizing parrots.

We start being possessive about these symbols and make a mess of the world at slightest fear of losing the symbol.

In modern science literature, each of the symbols or terms are first defined. So there is a clear definition for force, energy, mass, acceleration etc. And then we try to deduce the relationships between these. The common language is first explicitly defined and then the real game begins. In realm of religion, politics, sociology, such universally accepted definitions do not exist. So the same word means something different to each of us. And we keep fighting based on these personal notions like fools, and make a mess of the beautiful world.

That is why, when someone says, are you proud to be Hindu, I proclaim proudly “Yes!”. Because, I interpret Hinduism to mean that philosophy having roots in Hindustan that considers entire humanity as own family and loves entire world as a cow loves its newborn calf. I get these concepts from Vedas – the oldest books of humankind, and hence I call it Vedic Religion. That is why I love Vedas.

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But if you tell me that Hindu is someone who believes in birth-based caste system, then I am anything but Hindu. In fact because I am vehemently against caste-system, I may be considered greatest enemy.

Similarly, if someone asks about my views on Muslims, I proudly say, “I am a Muslim.” Because by root, Muslim means someone who humbly submits to will of Supreme Lord and that is exactly what I strive to do. If you try to prove me a different definition, that will not work. Because I am a student of algebra and hence I choose Muslim to mean what I consider to be most reasonable. If you tell me that Muslim is someone who believes in last prophet or doomsday or heaven or hell, I would counter by saying that there is nothing in word “Muslim” that refers to any such entity. I am a staunch rationalist and hence refuse to believe in any prophet or avatar or miracles or heaven or hell (as per popular interpretations). Nonetheless, if someone believes in these, that is his personal choice that I respect as much as my own right to differ.

As for Christianity, I am a Christian because I believe in many good things in Bible which resonate with Vedas. But if Christian means someone who believes in Jesus or Holy Spirit as God, or doomsday or story of resurrection, my rational mind does not permit me to endorse these. Again, if you believe in these, I respect your personal choice and respect my right to differ as well.

In nutshell, depending upon what definition you use, I may be the greatest Hindu, Muslim or Christian, or poles apart from these.

If God be some physical person above some sky or in a separate location, I am greatest atheist. But if God be defined as an impersonal entity permeating and engulfing the world that ensures everything functions as per unbreakable laws, then I see nothing but God everywhere and within everyone. You may call it law of nature, I don’t care. But my very existence – a purposeful existence – establishes existence of this entity and I believe in it. Again, if you refuse to believe in this obvious, that is your personal choice that I respect as much as my own right to expect the same respect from you.

The common elements of life that we all aspire for are same and universal for all. Things like honesty, patience, tolerance, peace, purity, self-control, wisdom, knowledge and forgiveness. I won’t get into what they exactly mean because they are, again, just symbols to represent certain concepts on which we all agree. The very fact that we live makes these our natural aspirations. These are common threads across all religions, philosophies and ideologies. So I define these as true religion. This is the religion that Supreme Lord (refer my earlier definition of God) teaches us every moment. I need not buy a Quran, Geeta, Vedas, Bible to imbibe these. They are within me. Other books may help refine my thought process, but nonetheless, even in their absence, given whatever I understand, I pursue these.

Even a tribal would protect his family, protect the innocent children, seek peace, maintain self-control in society so that Damini rape cases do not happen. A criminal also pursues exactly these. However due to frustrations, bad habits etc, he commits crime in mirage.

Everything else is secondary. That is external. These innate traits alone are the essential crux of life and living. If a religion stresses on these, I am greatest adherent of that religion. If it teaches that one should not hate or judge or be biased towards others because of their personal beliefs and symbols, I am a “messiah” of this religion of “universalism”. And have a dream to see everyone a “messiah” as well.

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Algebra teaches me these are just labels or symbols.

Fighting each other for protection of these labels is not my cup of tea.( That is why I don’t drink tea perhaps! )

My religion lies in these innate traits that can never be destroyed. My religion is all about strengthening these traits within self and all. My religion is all about seeing my God in everything and everyone around. My religion humbly accepts that I forgive my own mistakes innumerable times daily. And hence I should have same forgiving approach towards others who are just like me, simply born somewhere else and using some other symbols.

My religion honestly admits that even my own views have been changing since my birth. It acknowledges that there is still so much in world that I am uncertain about. And hence, there is no reason for me to hate others or fight others to impose my own set of uncertainties over others.

How foolish it seems. None of us can claim that we have directly witnessed God, Heaven, Hell, Avatar, Prophet, Angel, Resurrection, Doomsday (whatever definition we give to them). None can claim that they have been able to understand Geeta, Quran, Bible totally. In fact we all agree that these texts can be understood only by special divine persons which none of us are. The reality is that we choose our beliefs in these matters based on hearsay, society, peer group and personal assumptions. There is no direct cognition. No one claims to be a prophet or avatar himself. And yet we decide to hate or love others based on how close ‘their’ blind assumptions are to ‘ours’! Or whether they chose our symbols or some other symbols to solve the problem of life!

And hence my lessons of algebra make me wonder whom do I fight and why do I fight? Whom do I hate and why do I hate? What do I grief for and whom do I grief for?

Its just a vast ocean of souls like me pervaded by God. And each of that soul, in its limited intelligence and bounded rationality, creates symbols and labels to understand the world around. These symbols are temporary, this feeling of oneness is permanent. So enjoyable, so soothing, so relaxing, so energizing, so driving, so compelling, so pure, so blissful!

Why do I not then just pursue and enjoy the permanent, follow my innate religion and ignore the temporary ill-defined symbols?

Hindu, Muslim, Christian…I don’t care.

Your personal beliefs….I don’t care.

All I care about is the God in you and me. The essence within.

I hope all of us start nurturing this essence! The world will become heaven again.

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yunus
dear sanjeev i find many proud Hindus, Muslims and Christians but seldom human beings. you spoke the truth. i don’t know what is God? if He is above our perception, anything said about him will be doubtful. we can agree on what is beneficial to mankind. it is the fight… Read more »
Santana Dharman
@Agniveer Very good article. Your intention is good but your methodology is not that much effective I think. You say we Hindus must be tolerant towards other religions blindly expecting the same from them? Our Indian history has taught us very costly lessons.. We must not forget them. There is… Read more »
Krishnarao

Hi Santana Dharman,

Well said. I’ve debated with Agniveer on this same issue. And as you, I agree with him on many other things, but this is one area I disagree with him, with a 100% probably.

Best,
Krishnarao

Zishan Khan
Excellent Article! All religion teaches Humanity as part of their Core Belief. But miscreants with in the relion undermine it and manipulate the Relgion to benifit themself. While Reading the history of ISLAM. I came across letter which has been written by earliest disciple of Prophet Muhammed. He writes in… Read more »
yunus

dear Zishan Khan
could you please quote the letters the prophet sent to kings of Faras and Rome and pact of hz Umar with Christians.

Krishnarao
It’s easy to put up some random letters, but that means nothing. Until Hindu, Buddhists, Sikhs, and Jains are given equality in every majority muslim nation, your words are bullshit. Secularize the enter muslim world, allow the muslims to leave islam and the government protect those people leave. And allow… Read more »
santosh

My Salute to you my brother Agniveer.
While reading your article i felt it is the most sacret text than any other text in the world.
I find peace while reading your thoughts.
Thank you..

Chetan

Islam is the best. Watch this video if you disagree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQGy0ZE0DOU

Krishnarao

lol, this is great. lmaf

Hindurashtra

Agniveer is now going on secular path.
They are forgetting the principles of Swami dayanand, May god bless them with a bit of brain.

Praveen
CASTE SYSTEM – A GIFT TO INDIA. CASTE SYSTEM and ITS BENEFITS (No shortcut to success) Why some mangoes(Hapus) are treated high quality? You are insulting the low quality mangoes. Why reservation in trains for AC, 3-tier, 2-tier? You are insulting low earning people. Why physically handicapped not allowed in… Read more »
Arun
This is a good example as to why the the Portuguese derived word “Caste” should NOT be used to describe Indian concepts. It mixes several different concepts onto one. First this is what the Portuguese word caste originally referred to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta Caste had nothing to do with India or with… Read more »
Praveen

MUSLIM and CHRITIAN RELIGIONS never ACCEPT ALL RELIGIONS ARE SAME. Give it a try. We Hindus are more flexible but not to the extent to accept other religion better than ours if they are stubborn.

Vikram
The authour blams every one for the act of hatred, violence and bigotery. Undermining the root cause of hatered, lies and bigotery. Ever since the birth of Islam and the jihadi onslaught it has launched on the entire human society. In India alone over 10 Millon Hindus were killed. The… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
Depends on how you see it. We refuse to believe in ‘victim’ mindset. In fact, we are disciples of Bajrang Bali and hence feel greatest humiliation in weeping that someone slapped us. Shame on us, if we were not true to the slogans of Jai Bajrang Bali and Jai Bhavani.… Read more »
WannabeHuman

Naman _/\_ !

Arun
I am sorry Agniveer but to blame Hindus for their mass murder is utterly callous. This is a horrid thing to say. It is like blaming the Jews for their 6 million dead in the WW2 Holocaust, or blame a woman for being raped. That is completely wrong. Our people… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
Dear Arun, You are completely misinterpreting our essence. 1. We nowhere absolve terrorists of their crime. But yes, if we are unable to win over terror for over 1000 years, then there is problem with us as well, and much more graver. Then for sure we are living up to… Read more »
Arun
Agniveer just so you know I am not upset with you though I have posted a couple of times (mainly because you’ve limited length of comments,which is fine, so I had to break it up into a couple of posts). Please do not confuse my passion for being upset with… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
Crusades or any other ideology cannot fight terror because they are themselves incomplete. In case of Hinduism, things are different. We have the valor of Ram, spiritualism of Patanjali – everything. If we do away with foolish weakeners we have nurtured as pets, we have power to sweep across entire… Read more »
Krishnarao
Namaste Agniveer, This conversation that Arun and you are having is interesting. “Forget about other complexities – just work on one single agenda – eradication of birth-based casteism. And within a decade, 50% of non-Hindu population of India would be seeking inspiration from Vedas and Gita.” – I do agree… Read more »
Arun
Please read that explaination in the link given. It references the Pakistani General Malik who states the Quranic concept of war is terror and the purpose of terror is this: “… Terror cannot be struck into the hearts of an army by merely cutting its lines of communication or depriving… Read more »
Arun
To think of solutions one needs to know what one is up against – traitors in our midst are one but the enemy whom they are helping are imperial jihadists who wish to destroy every non-Muslim government and subjugate everyone under Islamic law (Sharia) rule – the whole world and… Read more »
Arun
The US Navy and Marines were created in response to put an end to jihadists attacks on the high seas and to put an end to paying protection money and jizya. Still today US is facing jihadists attacks. This is not an easy problem to solve. Many Europeans and Americans… Read more »
Arun
1,000 years of fighting does not mean the problem is with us. That implies this is easy to solve for good. It is not. Where has jihad stopped? Zoroastrian Persia is no more (they are a persecuted minority in their own land much like the Hindus and Sikhs of Pakistan… Read more »
Arun
Agniveer, I can understand you issue with traitors in one’s midst at times helping this imperialist terrorists. You will find such traitors everywhere. I agree it is important to be aware of this. But how can we be aware of such traitors when we do not even know both our… Read more »
Arun
Agniveer, I can understand you issue with traitors in one’s midst at times helping this imperialist terrorists. You will find such traitors everywhere. I agree it is important to be aware of this. But how can we be aware of such traitors when we do not even know both our… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
Brother, you have misinterpreted Agniveer. We don’t absolve the perpetrator from his crime. But if someone started as a hero, and faced troubles for 1000 long years, then for sure there is something wrong. Please correct yourself – ‘our people’ is a dubious usage. Lets face it – these ‘our… Read more »
WannabeHuman

Naman _/\_

Ex-Muslim

That’s a very well written article Arun. Let’s learn from it and also let’s trust Agniveer.

Ex-Muslim

Ah! Political correctness at it’s best.

Dear Agniveer, for the sake of free flow of information, please do the right thing and publish all the articles since 2009 that you’ve currently unpublished.

If the government trusts us with universal franchise, why aren’t you trusting us with our judgement?

santosh

My brother i think you are just caring about x & y but not getting the concept and essence of the artical. Please try to understand.. Thank you

Agniveer Agni
Apart from a few outdated news updates, all articles are already published on the site. By the way, we are not sure how much government trusts ‘us’ and how much of this trust on ‘us’ has helped made things better. We find everyone just complaining about how things are getting… Read more »
Ex-Muslim
Dear Agniveer, Please accept my humble obeisances. I was referring to the articles published at the beginning when this website was conceived, to be specific some 35 articles between Jul 27, 2008 to Jul 17, 2009. I was also referring to some articles dealing with comparative religions which were published… Read more »
Agniveer Agni

Dear Brother, Trust us, we are committed to greatest good for most for longest duration.

Krishnarao

Sorry Agniveer. I agree with the spirit what you are doing, but some of your methods are misguided.

Agniveer Agni

Dear Brother, It is impossible to adopt a method that is acceptable to everyone. But if you are convinced with our spirit, we are indeed delighted.

Mona
Very good article. However, I wouldn’t agree that religion is dividing us , its culture that is dividing us. The problem with society is that they are not practicing their religion, but they are practicing their culture. They are following and interpreting the divine guidance according to their own beliefs,… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma
It appears from the comment agniveer has addressed me. I am homeless, penniless & not much educated person. I reached at this website due my passion to search the truth two years before. I had lost the desire to live in my life. But after coming here I got a… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
Brother, I wrote to all of you who are so affectionate with Agniveer movement. Consider us to be in same boat as yours and think of it. We also came without any affluent financial background. Left our job and everything to address the challenges of the time. It was the… Read more »
Big Dipper

Agniveer, hum sub aapke saath hain.

pran

Agniveerji,
Our hearts with you. Please carry on the Great mission to preserve Sanantan Deharma.
Funds will come. Sure.
Loka Samasta Sukhino Bhavanthu

Pranams
Pran

Jay Arya

yes keep it up agniveer but stay true to your mission dont be dishonest that is all im saying

Het

Thank you Agniveer ji, your work strengthen us a lot.

Bhavesh Merja
Comparing Agniveer with Maharshi Dayananda is not fair. Every one has got some strengths as well as some wickedness. Some wise person has said: The man is a bundle of contradictions. Agniveer’s contributions in spread of eternal Vedic light and rational thoughts, exposing the untruth and unjust, so far have… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
I would like to thank you all for your kind affection with Agniveer mission. It is indeed touching to see this passion for Vedic Dharma. We request all of you to contact us through http://agniveer.com/contact/ with your actual name and details so that we can utilize your passion to obtain… Read more »
Sourav
@Sanatan Dharma You wrote- “Agniveer is like me who are indulge in his profession mainly and whenver get time post here” So you believe running a website, creating content, managing content and technical aspects of site and servers, sacrificing career for Dharma despite being graduates of top technical and management… Read more »
Het

@sourav
As per I understand, the guy just meant that there are other duties toward family and career exits. so, it may have slow down the work.

Sanatan Dharma

@Het
yes, same I wanted to say. Agniveer is not passionate like Mahirishi Dayanand and Ali Sina, the reason may be his profession does not allow him to give much time to the mission of Veda.

Sourav

Hello Het

No, please go back and check, he wrote that Agniveer is like him who is not truthful to his mission. And bigger point is that people with no credentials should refrain themselves from passing judgement on legends like Agniveer.

Sanatan Dharma
@Saurav Agniveer may be legendary but only of few days. Like a cricketing player comes in Indian team hit fastest century and got a lot of name but lost the form very early & get out of the team. on same stage Agniveer stands. One need to be consistent with… Read more »
Het
@Sourav , Thank you for clarifying. @Sanatan Dharma But cricket remains. Although its a useless comparison to cricket, Veda will be forever. Hundreds of cultures and so called religion has passed in a blink of brahma’s eye. Whenever we move away from the Dharma, adharma has joined the hand. so… Read more »
Geet

Well said!

Sourav

Hello Jay Arya, Krishnarao, Aryan Vinay, Sanatan Dharma and all worried about Agniveer’s future and present..

What have you done to support/save Agniveer’s mission except making prophecies of its failure?

Sourav
Proud fan of Agniveer from IIT Delhi

krishnarao
Hi Sourav, I’m not here to get in a fight with another Dharmic brother. But I will say this. Angiveer is on a public area and has a representation and following. Agniveer is also stating what they agree on and what they don’t. And as a follower of Dharam, I… Read more »
Slave of Prophet

@Saurav
I do not know you are aware or not but I would like to remind you that I have declared in 2011 that Agniveer is moon of days and he will be down in 2012. My prophecy proved true.

Slave of Prophet

@Sanatan Dharma
After arrival of islamhindusidotcom agniveer have to compel to shut down his website satyagnidotcom and agniveer is also about to shutdown. islamhindusdotcom has exposed the agniveer badly. I am working also to refute Ali Sina Insha’Allah, Ali Sina will have to shut down his site.

Jay Arya

satya agni was hacked and islamhinduism has done anything they have not effected agniveer or hinduism at all most of their articles can be refuted i would invite them to come on this website

Jin
@Slave of Prophet Refuting Ali Sina ? None of your scholar has ever accepted his challenge. At least ali Sina has kept open the comment section where you try to refute. But your lame website has no guts to keep the comment section open. You people even lost debate with… Read more »
Aditya
Hey Slave! Don’t get me started. In the Youtube video posted by islamhinduism “125 year long Vedas Scam – Shocking Expose – Agniveer sells impure Vedas” , when I explained the actual fact in the comment section , he blocked the comment section and ratings. If indeed IslamHinduism is a… Read more »
Slave of Prophet

@Aditya
Go and check in comment section of ali sina I am refuting Ali Sina constantly.

Sourav

Hey Slave

I dont give damn to prophecies, neither by any prophet nor by its slaves. So better keep your prophecies with you.

Thanks

Aditya
But Agniveerji Has already done the damage to Islam. Now people are well equipped to debate the MuslimsI Fact, I have been continuously winning debates against Muslim. Thanks to AgniveerJi. I met a Like minded person in this Website and met him personally. We have planned to Join Hands with… Read more »
dogra

Indeed Aditya, we the humble foot soldiers, are spreading the message:

1) One caste: Human
2) Gender equality#
3) Dignity of labour
4) Karma Yoga-selfless service

Het

@Aryan Vinay(March 16, 2013 at 10:10 pm)
It’s because we hindus are lazy when it comes to knowledge and duty. We always want others to do the duty, so we can live our worry-free(lazy) life.

ERSHAD HOSSAIN
1.Religions have only divided mankind into believing different gods and ideologies. So religions are a failure in finding peace on this earth. 2.Alien religions preach one God and the followers should be frightened of the God. There is resurrection, dooms day and punishments. The ancient Indian philosophies of the Sanatana,… Read more »
krishnarao
Swami Dayananda Saraswati was critical of non-Vedic religions. He was not afraid of pointing faults he saw with other religions. Simple…….. Why doesn’t Agniveer be like Swami Dayananda Saraswati? I remember read that someone once threatened Swami Dayananda Saraswati life. Swami Dayananda Saraswati said, and I paraphrase, “I am not… Read more »
Sourav

@Krishnarao

Who is stopping you from becoming next Dayanand? Why are not you as active, eager and enthusiastic about creating your own website/forum/activities as Agniveer or Dayanand? Why do you want Agniveer to do everything?

Jay Arya

agniveer wherre are your articles exposing muslim preachers like zakir naik they were great articles for hindus to learn the truth about these liars

Ashish B
The articles on Zakir Naik are pretty much there ( http://agniveer.com/category/society/zakir-naik/ ) but I agree that Team Agniveer has disabled some articles critical to other religions especially Islam. I am an ardent fan of Agniveer, but I disagree with them on this. Their ‘Arguments of Babri lovers’ was one of… Read more »
Krishnarao
Hi Jay, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9sYgqRtZGg Amount of verses that are focused on the kafir (non-muslim or infidels): 1. koran has 60% of its verses focused on non-muslims 2. Sira has 80% of its verses focused on non-muslims 3. hadiths 37% In all three books it is 60%. That means vast majority of… Read more »
Jay Arya

yes i see but why did agniveer delete those articles they would help stupid hindus who know nothing about hinduism and falling for the lies

Sourav
@Jai Arya If Agniveer had to remove the articles, what were you doing? Why did not you save those in advance if you thought those to be mandatory for Hindus? And if you had saved those, who is stopping you from creating another website and publish those with Agniveer’s permission?… Read more »
krishnarao

Hi Jay,

I had responded to you and it looks like my comment has been removed. I find it very suspicious that someone would remove my comment just because I made critical points about Agniveer. Where is the integrity and transparency here

Het

Sanatan Dharma (March 19, 2013 at 3:22 pm)
I second that.

Sanatan Dharma
Bro, I think profession be it medical science , I.T. etc. in whatever agniveer engaged is main priority for him/her. I do not know agniveer is one person or group / body of many persons. Whenever they get time they spend time in this noble work of spreading Vedic wisdon… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma

@Agniveer/Aryan Vinay
I think reason of Agniveer down is less concentration on its mission. Although Agniveer have much knowledge and wisdom if we compare to agniveer to ali Sina and Ramdev. Ali Sina is much truthful to his mission.

krishnarao

Agreed. It is really sad that Agniveer is not doing Purva Paksha.

Aryan Vinay
TWo years before Agniveer was emerging like a super hero.I thought it will leave Ramdev behind.It attracted good arya samajists like Rajendra Jijyasu too.But in these two years,Agniveer mission has slowed down.No new article.Old articles in new langauge like Tamil,Kannada etc.There were many arya samajist boys and girls like me… Read more »
Jay Arya

it seems agniveer likes being like the muslims who also enjoy deleting comments

Ronak

Mother Teresa’s altruism and generosity claimed to be a ‘myth’

“During numerous floods in India or following the explosion of a pesticide plant in Bhopal, she offered numerous prayers and medallions of the Virgin Mary but no direct or monetary aid, the researchers said.”

For More:
http://in.news.yahoo.com/mother-teresas-altruism-generosity-claimed-myth-052026363.html

human
Very good article, it has the real Hindu flavor behind it. Much Appreciated But the major mistake we all do is stop at this point and never look any further. During ancient times, they also used to perform purvapaksha….assessment of the other. It was done to find out how the… Read more »
Slave of prophet
@Agniveer How Indian Muslims who are actually converted Muslims can have right to decide who will be Imam of Masjid-ul-Haram? Kaaba is in Saudi Arbia, so, only Saudi Arabia can have right to decide the Imam of Masjid-ul-Harama not Indians. Do not compare kaaba with UNA. UNA is different than… Read more »
Indian

Dear Slave
If UNA in USA that does not mean USA will have all right over it same as If Kaaba is in Saudi Arabia that does not mean only Saudi will have all right over it if it is a international place.

Agniveer Agni
Dear Slave, Kindly find some other forum to share your racist views. Even the Arabs were non-Muslims before Quran came. Hindu, Muslim – we don’t care. But Hindustanis have been lighthouse for world for ages. Even Islam gets all its intellectual backbone today from Indian sub-continent. One day will come… Read more »
Slave of prophet : Why Islam religion of peace
Slave of prophet : Why Islam religion of peace
@Agniveer/Other Visitors Muslim are by and large peaceful people. But when we see country like Pakistan and Afganistan we find these are most violent country. But we must notice people of Pakistan and Afghanistan are not decedent of peaceful Arabas but they are descendant of violent Hindu, so, violence in… Read more »
Ex-Muslim
@ Slave of prophet : Why Islam religion of peace Are you sure? If you want us to believe that people in Af-Pak are violent because they have Hindu blood in them then please read below: “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends… Read more »
dogra

Slave, go ask Iraninas who foercefully converted them go ask Egyptians Christians, who forcefully converted their fellow egyptians, now go find truth, and be slave to truth

Sanatan Dharma
Pakistan is a “fake” country which was created artificially by the Britishers who started the “bogus two-nation theory”, Press Council of India chairman Justice (retd) Markandey Katju said here on Tuesday. The former Supreme Court judge was confident that in next 15-20 years India and Pakistan would reunite and a… Read more »
Rudra
Isavasyam idam sarvam……. yes, the entire universe is filled with GOD. If we are spending at least 18 years for education to lead life, how many years we want to know source and creation of life (god). It is not an outward journey, it is coming home. The once knows… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja

Is it not against the spirit of the language of the Vedas to take meaning of the word DHARMA of Prithvi sukta of Atharvaveda as BELIEF?

Agniveer Agni
Not actually. Because Dharma means duties and natural traits. And they are shaped by belief systems. In wake of bounded rationality that all humans possess, we cannot comprehend the complete truth. So based on whatever we can grasp, we form our beliefs and hence decide or mould our Dharma. So… Read more »
Ankur
so you are essentially equating Dharma with religion, which is against the spirit of the veda itself and there are the tenets of the same in Manu smiriti and i believe you have an article here on the same. I think you are using Dharma for swabhav , which would… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
No we are not. Dharma and religion are different things. But the Dharma one adopts and the sanskars one assimilates due to that does shape up the kind of religious ideology on adopts. Also belief is not religion. Belief means a person’s set of views that one considers as truth.… Read more »
Ankur

well for the bigger cause and the means to it.. I understand..and point taken.
As i see it, Dharam is unfettered by individuals, its like the Atma inside the sharira unaffected by the verdicts and judgements.
धर्मो रक्षति रक्षितः
ॐ शान्ति

Agniveer Agni

In the ultimate sense, yes.

Ankur

then can a dharma be not right? and are you taking of the Dharma that Veda talks about or you have a different definition.

Agniveer Agni
This is a theoretical discussion with little practical value, in our opinion. Analyzing what a word actually means is less relevant in current context. Dharma means natural traits. It also mean ideal desirable traits. So you have to see practical implication of Dharma based on current scope of wisdom and… Read more »
Bhavesh Merja

If Atharvaveda says that in world there will always be different languages that people speak and different beliefs they carry, then for what Swami Dayananda struggled throughout life?

Agniveer Agni
To bring unity among them all. Look at principles of Arya Samaj that he documented and you would see that he was attempting to establish universal truths acceptable to all rather than trying to enforce his own beliefs. Refer to Chapter 11 conversation of intellectual with all religious teachers. What… Read more »
Arun
But is that really true? In Islam taqqiya is allowed which is lying for the sake of the faith in certain times. Compassion has qualifiers too. If one is taught by their faith such as Christianity that all non-believers are going to hell then compassion would be to convert them… Read more »
Arun
“Because I am a student of algebra and hence I choose Muslim to mean what I consider to be most reasonable. If you tell me that Muslim is someone who believes in last prophet or doomsday or heaven or hell, I would counter by saying that there is nothing in… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
If you think that considering Muslims as Flying Spaghetti Monster or Jedi can help make world a better place and make you a more spiritual person, by all means do so. We don’t think so, though. Perhaps the concern with the article is simply about its goal. Its goal is… Read more »
Arun
I support you on your higher aspirations but I disagree with this particular method. Plus if we are to sincerely improve, we have to really see what each religion honestly teaches and say what is right or wrong with each aspect. We have to also be honest that all religions… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
Dear Arun, you are free to explore your own ways or disagree with us. For Agniveer, universal brotherhood is utmost and we are committed to destroy all kinds of fundamentalism and fanaticism from root. Yes, there are bad elements in Islam. But so is the case with Hindus and Christians.… Read more »
Arun
I agree with you aspirations to destroy fundamentalism and fanaticism from root, we differed in approach as I elaborated earlier. I share with your assessment that there are bad elements in all religions. Of course there are wonderful Muslims as you listed. Surely you know that criticizing a religion about… Read more »
Arun
I think you missed my point regarding FSM and Jedi. There is no issue with the idea of taking ownership of whatever mess and try to solve it, and believing that all can improve, or appealing to the human in all of us and create a common bonding. Those are… Read more »
pravin hindu
Hum Sanatan Dharm me paida huye hai humko apne prachin dharm par koi shak nahu. .parantu dusre dharm ki sahi baate hum mante hai apne dharm k logo dwara ki gai chuk ko nam bhi rakhte hai…oarantu muslim dharn k vyakti ko kisu dusre daham k vyaktu ko imaan laao… Read more »
Rishika
Very nice article. I agree with Agniveer we should not care about these symbols that divide us. It does not matter who we are. We are all human beings and if we are really interested to attain spiritual knowledge, we need to seek truth and elevate ourselves. Truth is one,… Read more »
Arun
It is not only symbols. Not every religion teaches the same thing. Christianity and Islam do not and never have taught that any other religion is anything but false and not a path to God. And it is not because they have been corrupted, it is how their founders made… Read more »
Ravi
We need real students, in spite of false teachers. HiranyaKashipa tried to teach that he alone was god and there was no Sri Hari. But the correct devotee (his son Prahlada) deciphered that he was wrong. Unlike our apologists who might like to say that HiranyaKashipa was “misunderstood”. In the… Read more »
Ravi

A sugar coated article.
1. If a teacher teaches that earth is flat, you cannot sweep it away under the name of incorrectly understood algebra.

2. If a religion teaches all other religions are false, and it alone is true, you cannot dismiss that it was incorrectly understood.

Bhavesh Merja
I would like to recommend the readers of this article of Agniveer to ponder over the below mentioned statement made by Maharshi Dayananda Saraswati in the end of the 14th chapter of Satyarth-Prakash i.e. Light of Truth: “Other sectaries also say ‘Our creed is the best, all other are bad.… Read more »
Agniveer Agni

Bhaveshji, I think you missed the line above the title of the article. Refer http://agniveer.com/agniveer-stand/ whose link is given above each article.

Bhavesh Merja

Yes, you are right. I really missed it.
Thanks.

Ronik Das

The message of this article is quite similar to the speech made by Swami Vivekanada published in Volume 8 of Complete work of swamiji ” Veda the religion Of future”

Aniket

Awesome agniveer…………………
u rocks man…

krishnarao
It appears my full comment was not put on here so I decided to post it in parts: Agniveer, Just wanted to add, you state you were practical. Please tell me how is it practical to have some kind of brotherhood when a religion states that they are the ones… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
1. What I stated seems most practical option today, to me. As you said, love Muslims but hate Islam. This is just word play. What you mean is that you love the majority Muslims but hate a few clergies who give fanatic interpretations. That is exactly what we propose –… Read more »
krishnarao
Brother Agniveer, And yes, both those religions do have some good things to say and no one would follow them. The point is you are trying to separate some good qualities that any religion or group has from the bad. No one is disputing the good qualities. If that religion… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
Brother Krishna, we thank you for your appreciation of Agniveer on various issues as listed by you. As for the point of difference, we respect that difference. However, if you consider the fact that Agniveer movement is not about complaining about present, but to mould the present towards an ambitious… Read more »
Agniveer Agni

Brother, we never feel offended because we don’t take anything personally. We also don’t expect everyone to agree with us. On contrary, we welcome differences. But all we do must bring out changes for better, thats our overriding objective.

Hindu

Agniveer,

Do people have no rights to disagree with you? People appreciates your work. You should not feel offended.

krishnarao
Agniveer, I respect what you are trying to do here, but I disagree with you on this topic. Vedas do teach us to respect people, but even more important, the Vedas teach us, in my opinion, to not blur the lines so that we can’t see the virus that eats… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
1. We have nowhere stated that all religions are equal. We instead state that we don’t even care to try to find or establish such equality or inequality. 2. There are common intuitive traits like peace, non-violence, self-control etc that form basis of human living that in reality form the… Read more »
yunus

Agnivir agni. i liked your points. however there is difference majority of Hindus, Muslims and christian are not throwing the crap you mentioned. therefore you see much disturbance. however continue your work. i wish you best.

Ankur

@Agniveer : Would you like to be tolerated or respected? what would be the basis of that choice?
as it does not seems that tolerance and respect go hand in hand in “today’s” world religious scenario.

Agniveer Agni

@Ankur : Fight against intolerance to protect respect of personal choice.

Ankur

🙂

subodhkumar
Men need religion and not rational philosophy. All religions are commercial venture competing with all others. In business all is fair -no rational basis, no transparency object is growth of power , votes, money by any means . In Islam Mullas have pursued their self interests more cleverly, by ensuring… Read more »
Agniveer Agni

Arun, Kindly refrain from posting long comments. You can post it elsewhere and provide a link here. Refer comment policy.
Admin

Hindu

You are conflicting yourself. You have sted an example of freedom of expression, how we have been suppressed etc etc by quoting algebra lesson. Here you are asking Arun to keep it short! Please do not confuse people.

Agniveer Agni
Kindly do not misinterpret us. The Agniveer site is moderated as per certain guidelines so that it is most useful for most. One of the policies is to limit comment length and keep page length, size and relevance under control. However we do strongly encourage everyone to create another site… Read more »
Abhishek

@gain impressed! again u wrote what i was looking for..

Arun
I meant ” teaches salvation is only” Auto correct changed what I meant to write. I don’t think you can claim to be either Christian or Muslim based on you own definition of what is either. It is rather arrogant or you to do so. If you don’t accept their… Read more »
Jash

Nice reply!

There’s nothing like the Sanatan Dharma, the eternal words of forever wisdom. 🙂

Vijay

Well said Arun ! It confuses Hindus. The christians and the muslims will not accept this.

Arun
You are wrong. It is not merely a name. The concepts being taught by different religions are NOT the same. Christianity teaches Salvationist only through accepting Jesus Christ as lord and savior. All other religions are of the devil and all infidels will burn or ever in hell. It is… Read more »
Arun

Here is another perspective

All Religions are Not the Same
The problem with Hindu Universalism, A critique of radical universalism
Frank Gaetano Morales, Ph.D. (Dharma Pravartaka)
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1424

Sanatan Dharma

For a Vedic follower all options are open. Agniveer did the right. We need the articles which fill the Indian Muslim also with patriotism right now. Indian Hindu, Muslim, Sikh should keep the religion behind while voting.

Madhu

Team Agniveer:
I’m getting page not found on some articles on your site like on Akbar,babur,test of secularism which I bookmarked.
Just like Satyagni is this site been hacked.
Hope my query won’t be left unanswered(or moderated) like previous one.

Agniveer Agni

Some articles have been temporarily unpublished in context of the sensitive environment in the country.

vinod
This very answer given by you contradicts what you try to preach in your article. Ideals and realities have never been same in the whole history of human kind. duality seems to be at the root of entire existance which finally exhibits as multiplicity of different orders. Therefore, in my… Read more »
Krishnarao

Vinod,

Stop trying to trivialize everything. Sometimes being practical is the answer. And I think what Agniveer has posted has helped many, and I am one who has disagreed with Agniveer many times.

vinod

Krishnrao,
There is no harm in being practical provided the world around you is practical on the same footing and similar ideas.

Roank

Amazing write up
YOU ARE BORN UNIQUE….DON’T DIE A COPY.

Simple thing is the hardest thing to understand!

Naina

WOW… this is just wow…
I believe in this. I just believe in this.

Praveen
Agniveer is dead against Hinduism and its followings. So if you are a born Hindu(believe in nothing but vedas, shastra and Puranas) keep a vigil and inspect this site. Agniveer.com did not find Vedas – the first books. —- this is written in this site. you can search. Agniveer –… Read more »
WannabeHuman

@Praveen

If you dont wanna understand message of Vedas: “Manurbhava- Be human!”,
and are hell-bent on discriminating on basis of religion, rather than on merit+intentions, then

——— its your headache. Why spreading it to others? ———

WannabeHuman

@Praveen

If you dont wanna understand message of Vedas: “Manurbhava- Be human!”,
and are hell-bent on discriminating on basis of religion, rather than on merit+intentions, then

——– its your headache. Why spreading it to others? ——–

Roshan

Very Well Said .

Religion should be our personal relationship with God.

Not a means to Divide Humanity .

Dasyu-hater

I think this website is hacked becuase , agniveer supporting Dasyus…….
SAY NO TO DASYUISM AND DASYU BOOKS !

May Supreme purusha provides us peace……..

Vijanihi Aryan yah ca dasyuvo brihishmate randhya !
JAI JAI MANU

AGNIVEER YOU ARE ALSO UN-ARYA…………..SORRY TO SAY !
MAY PEACE BE UPON ARYA(BRAHMIN+KSHATRIYA+VAISHYA+SHUDRA)

Jin

To Dasyu-hater aka hate-monger
This is not extremist’s site. Kindly spread your hate somewhere else.
I hope Agniveer will delete such useless comments from now.

slave of Vedas
@Het You cant tolerate our faith by mere using the word,”Extremist”. We Aryan love all humans of earth but that doesnot mean you will compare the supreme Vedas with any books , this is totally against Aryan’s honour. Agniveer is crossing his limit………. he is started comparing Vedas with other… Read more »
Praveen
Agniveer is dead against Hinduism and its followings. So if you are a born Hindu(believe in nothing but vedas, shastra and Puranas) keep a vigil and inspect this site. Agniveer.com did not find Vedas – the first books. —- this is written in this site. you can search. Agniveer –… Read more »
AgniveerBECOMEScoward
AgniveerBECOMEScoward
Well Well Agniveer, You are to the path of Gandhiji. You already cut the nose of Maharishi Dayananda, Such a coward cannot make you an ARYAN. First i thought that at least Arya Samajist are Brave…………..my expectations are losed. Why we be freind with Dasyus ? Remember who are Dasyus?.… Read more »
Ex-Muslim

@ AgniveerBECOMEScoward

Ce sont certains que vous prenez des drogues fortes a.k.a. those are some strong drugs that you’re taking.

Arun

An “arya” is a character trait, it means “noble.” And to be noble is to follow the teachings of the Vedas.
So ask yourself if you are really identifying yourself with being of noble character as taught by the Vedas.

Het

Today Dasyus lives inside human being and not at separate place.
>> We loved our religion for you , dont be like others. Its my humble request to you << what is religion ? can you elaborate ?

Deepak

Why is Indian Media blackout the Bangladeshi uprising against Jamat e islami for war atrocities in 1971 Jamat e islami even murdered a Facebook Activist who was campaiging against Jamat e islami for 1971 atrocities SICKULAR INDIAN MEDIA REALLY ROTS

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