मनुस्मृति और शूद्र

Original post in English is available at http://agniveer.com/manu-smriti-and-shudras/

भारत में आज अनेक संकट छाये हुए हैं – भ्रष्टाचार, आतंकवाद, कट्टरवाद, धर्मांतरण, नैतिक अध : पतन, अशिक्षा, चरमरायी हुई स्वास्थ्य व्यवस्था, सफ़ाई की समस्या वगैरह – वगैरह | पर इन सभी से ज्यादा भयावह है – जन्मना जातिवाद और लिंग भेद | क्योंकि यह दो मूलभूत समस्याएँ ही बाकी समस्याओं को पनपने में मदद करती हैं | यह दो प्रश्न ही हमारे भूत और वर्तमान की समस्त आपदाओं का मुख्य कारण हैं |  इन को मूल से ही नष्ट नहीं किया तो हमारा उज्जवल भविष्य सिर्फ़ एक सपना बनकर रह जाएगा क्योंकि एक समृद्ध और समर्थ समाज का अस्तित्व जाति प्रथा और लिंग भेद के साथ नहीं हो सकता |

यह भी गौर किया जाना चाहिए कि जाति भेद और लिंग भेद केवल हिन्दू समाज की ही समस्याएँ नहीं हैं किन्तु यह दोनों सांस्कृतिक समस्याएँ हैं | लिंग भेद सदियों से वैश्विक समस्या रही है और जाति भेद दक्षिण एशिया में पनपी हुई, सभी धर्मों और समाजों को छूती हुई समस्या है | चूँकि हिन्दुत्व सबसे प्राचीन संस्कृति और सभी धर्मों का आदिस्रोत है, इसी पर व्यवस्था को भ्रष्ट करने का आक्षेप मढ़ा जाता है | यदि इन दो कुप्रथाओं को हम ढोते रहते हैं तो समाज इतना दुर्बल हो जाएगा कि विभिन्न सम्प्रदायों और फिरकों में बिखरता रहेगा जिससे देश कमजोर होगा और टूटेगा |

अपनी कमजोरी और विकृतियों के बारे में हमने इतिहास से कोई शिक्षा नहीं ली है |  आज की तारीख़ में भी कुछ शिक्षित और बुद्धिवादी कहे जाने वाले लोग इन दो कुप्रथाओं का समर्थन करते हैं – यह आश्चर्य की बात है |  जन्म से ही ऊँचेपन का भाव इतना हावी है कि वह किसी समझदार को भी पागल बना दे | इस वैचारिक संक्रमण से ग्रस्त कुछ लोग आज हिन्दुत्व के विद्वानों और नेतागणों में  भी गिने जा रहे हैं | अनजान बनकर यह लोग इन कुप्रथाओं का समर्थन करने के लिए प्राचीन शास्त्रों का हवाला देते हैं जिस में समाज व्यवस्था देनेवाली प्राचीनतम मनुस्मृति को सबसे अधिक केंद्र बनाया जाता है | वेदों को भी इस कुटिलता में फंसाया गया, जिसका खंडन हम  http://agniveer.com/series/caste-series/ में कर चुके हैं |

मनुस्मृति जो सृष्टि में नीति और धर्म ( कानून) का निर्धारण करने वाला सबसे पहला ग्रंथ माना गया है उस को घोर जाति प्रथा को बढ़ावा देने वाला भी बताया जा रहा है |आज स्थिति यह है कि मनुस्मृति वैदिक संस्कृति की सबसे अधिक विवादित पुस्तकों में है | पूरा का पूरा दलित आन्दोलन ‘ मनुवाद ‘ के विरोध पर ही खड़ा हुआ है |

मनु जाति प्रथा के समर्थकों के नायक हैं तो दलित नेताओं ने उन्हें खलनायक के सांचे में ढाल रखा है | पिछड़े तबकों के प्रति प्यार का दिखावा कर स्वार्थ की रोटियां सेकने के लिए ही अग्निवेश और मायावती जैसे बहुत से लोगों द्वारा मनुस्मृति जलाई जाती रही है | अपनी विकृत भावनाओं को पूरा करने के लिए नीची जातियों पर अत्याचार करने वाले, एक सींग वाले विद्वान राक्षस के रूप में भी मनु को चित्रित किया गया है | हिन्दुत्व और वेदों को गालियां देने वाले कथित सुधारवादियों के लिए तो मनुस्मृति एक पसंदीदा साधन बन गया है| विधर्मी वायरस पीढ़ियों से हिन्दुओं के धर्मांतरण में इससे फ़ायदा उठाते आए हैं जो आज भी जारी है | ध्यान देने वाली बात यह है कि मनु की निंदा करने वाले इन लोगों ने मनुस्मृति को कभी गंभीरता से पढ़ा भी है कि नहीं |

दूसरी ओर जातीय घमंड में चूर और उच्चता में अकड़े हुए लोगों के लिए मनुस्मृति एक ऐसा धार्मिक ग्रंथ है जो उन्हें एक विशिष्ट वर्ग में नहीं जन्में लोगों के प्रति सही व्यवहार नहीं करने का अधिकार और अनुमति देता है| ऐसे लोग मनुस्मृति से कुछ एक गलत और भ्रष्ट श्लोकों का हवाला देकर जातिप्रथा को उचित बताते हैं पर स्वयं की अनुकूलता और स्वार्थ के लिए यह भूलते हैं कि वह जो कह रहे हैं उसे के बिलकुल विपरीत अनेक श्लोक हैं |

इन दोनों शक्तियों के बीच संघर्ष ने आज भारत में निचले स्तर की राजनीति को जन्म दिया है |भारतवर्ष पर लगातार पिछले हजार वर्षों से होते आ रहे आक्रमणों के लिए भी यही जिम्मेदार है| सदियों तक नरपिशाच,गोहत्यारे और पापियों से यह पावन धरती शासित रही| यह अतार्किक जातिप्रथा ही १९४७ में हमारे देश के बंटवारे का प्रमुख कारण रही है| कभी विश्वगुरु और चक्रवर्ती सम्राटों का यह देश था | आज भी हम में असीम क्षमता और बुद्धि धन है फ़िर भी हम समृद्धि और सामर्थ्य की ओर अपने देश को नहीं ले जा पाए और निर्बल और निराधार खड़े हैं – इस का प्रमुख कारण यह मलिन जाति प्रथा है| इसलिए मनुस्मृति की सही परिपेक्ष्य में जाँच – परख़ अत्यंत आवश्यक हो जाती है |


मनुस्मृति पर लगाये जाने वाले तीन मुख्य आक्षेप :

१. मनु ने जन्म के आधार पर जातिप्रथा का निर्माण किया |

२. मनु ने शूद्रों के लिए कठोर दंड का विधान किया और ऊँची जाति खासकर ब्राह्मणों के लिए विशेष प्रावधान रखे |

३. मनु नारी का विरोधी था और उनका तिरस्कार करता था | उसने स्त्रियों के लिए पुरुषों से कम अधिकार का विधान किया |

आइये अब मनुस्मृति के साक्ष्यों पर ही हम इन आक्षेपों की समीक्षा करें | इस लेख में हम पहले आरोप – मनु द्वारा जन्म आधारित जाति प्रथा के निर्माण पर विचार करेंगे |

पाठकों से निवेदन है कि वे http://agniveer.com/series/caste-series/को पढ़ें ताकि ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय, वैश्य और शूद्र के सही अर्थों को समझ सकें|

मनुस्मृति और जाति व्यवस्था : 

मनुस्मृति उस काल की है जब जन्मना जाति व्यवस्था के विचार का भी कोई अस्तित्व नहीं था | अत: मनुस्मृति जन्मना समाज व्यवस्था का कहीं भी समर्थन नहीं करती | महर्षि मनु ने मनुष्य के गुण- कर्म – स्वभाव पर आधारित समाज व्यवस्था की रचना कर के वेदों में परमात्मा द्वारा दिए गए आदेश का ही पालन किया है (देखें – ऋग्वेद-१०.१०.११-१२, यजुर्वेद-३१.१०-११, अथर्ववेद-१९.६.५-६) |

यह वर्ण व्यवस्था है | वर्ण शब्द “वृञ” धातु से बनता है जिसका मतलब है चयन या चुनना और सामान्यत: प्रयुक्त शब्द वरण भी यही अर्थ रखता है | जैसे वर अर्थात् कन्या द्वारा चुना गया पति, जिससे पता चलता है कि वैदिक व्यवस्था कन्या को अपना पति चुनने का पूर्ण अधिकार देती है |

मनुस्मृति में वर्ण व्यवस्था को ही बताया गया है और जाति व्यवस्था को नहीं इसका सबसे बड़ा प्रमाण यह है कि मनुस्मृति के प्रथम अध्याय में कहीं भी जाति या गोत्र शब्द ही नहीं है  बल्कि वहां चार वर्णों की उत्पत्ति का वर्णन है | यदि जाति या गोत्र का इतना ही महत्त्व होता तो मनु इसका उल्लेख अवश्य करते कि कौनसी जाति ब्राह्मणों से संबंधित है, कौनसी क्षत्रियों से, कौनसी वैश्यों और शूद्रों से |

इस का मतलब हुआ कि स्वयं को जन्म से ब्राह्मण या उच्च जाति का मानने वालों के पास इसका कोई प्रमाण नहीं है | ज्यादा से ज्यादा वे इतना बता सकते हैं कि कुछ पीढ़ियों पहले से उनके पूर्वज स्वयं को ऊँची जाति का कहलाते आए हैं | ऐसा कोई प्रमाण नहीं है कि सभ्यता के आरंभ से ही यह लोग ऊँची जाति के थे | जब वह यह साबित नहीं कर सकते तो उनको यह कहने का क्या अधिकार है कि आज जिन्हें जन्मना शूद्र माना जाता है, वह कुछ पीढ़ियों पहले ब्राह्मण नहीं थे ? और स्वयं जो अपने को ऊँची जाति का कहते हैं वे कुछ पीढ़ियों पहले शूद्र नहीं थे ?

मनुस्मृति ३.१०९ में साफ़ कहा है कि अपने गोत्र या कुल की दुहाई देकर भोजन करने वाले को स्वयं का उगलकर खाने वाला माना जाए | अतः मनुस्मृति के अनुसार जो जन्मना ब्राह्मण या ऊँची जाति वाले अपने गोत्र या वंश का हवाला देकर स्वयं को बड़ा कहते हैं और मान-सम्मान की अपेक्षा रखते हैं उन्हें तिरस्कृत किया जाना चाहिए |

मनुस्मृति २. १३६: धनी होना, बांधव होना, आयु में बड़े होना, श्रेष्ठ कर्म का होना और विद्वत्ता यह पाँच सम्मान के उत्तरोत्तर मानदंड हैं | इन में कहीं भी कुल, जाति, गोत्र या वंश को सम्मान का मानदंड नहीं माना गया है |

Manu-Smriti-and-Shudras

वर्णों में परिवर्तन : 

मनुस्मृति १०.६५: ब्राह्मण शूद्र बन सकता और शूद्र ब्राह्मण हो सकता है | इसी प्रकार क्षत्रिय और वैश्य भी अपने वर्ण बदल सकते हैं |

मनुस्मृति ९.३३५: शरीर और मन से शुद्ध- पवित्र रहने वाला, उत्कृष्ट लोगों के सानिध्य में रहने वाला, मधुरभाषी, अहंकार से रहित, अपने से उत्कृष्ट वर्ण वालों की सेवा करने वाला शूद्र भी उत्तम ब्रह्म जन्म और द्विज वर्ण को प्राप्त कर लेता है |

मनुस्मृति के अनेक श्लोक कहते हैं कि उच्च वर्ण का व्यक्ति भी यदि श्रेष्ट कर्म नहीं करता, तो शूद्र (अशिक्षित) बन जाता है |

उदाहरण- 

२.१०३: जो मनुष्य नित्य प्रात: और सांय ईश्वर आराधना नहीं करता उसको शूद्र समझना चाहिए |

२.१७२: जब तक व्यक्ति वेदों की शिक्षाओं में दीक्षित नहीं होता वह शूद्र के ही समान है |

४.२४५ : ब्राह्मण- वर्णस्थ व्यक्ति श्रेष्ट – अति श्रेष्ट व्यक्तियों का संग करते हुए और नीच- नीचतर  व्यक्तिओं का संग छोड़कर अधिक श्रेष्ट बनता जाता है | इसके विपरीत आचरण से पतित होकर वह शूद्र बन जाता है | अतः स्पष्ट है कि ब्राह्मण उत्तम कर्म करने वाले विद्वान व्यक्ति को कहते हैं और शूद्र का अर्थ अशिक्षित व्यक्ति है | इसका, किसी भी तरह जन्म से कोई सम्बन्ध नहीं है |

२.१६८: जो ब्राह्मण,क्षत्रिय या वैश्य वेदों का अध्ययन और पालन छोड़कर अन्य विषयों में ही परिश्रम करता है, वह शूद्र बन जाता है | और उसकी आने वाली पीढ़ियों को भी वेदों के ज्ञान से वंचित होना पड़ता है | अतः मनुस्मृति के अनुसार तो आज भारत में कुछ अपवादों को छोड़कर बाकी सारे लोग जो भ्रष्टाचार, जातिवाद, स्वार्थ साधना, अन्धविश्वास, विवेकहीनता, लिंग-भेद, चापलूसी, अनैतिकता इत्यादि में लिप्त हैं – वे सभी शूद्र हैं |

२ .१२६: भले ही कोई ब्राह्मण हो, लेकिन अगर वह अभिवादन का शिष्टता से उत्तर देना नहीं जानता तो वह शूद्र (अशिक्षित व्यक्ति) ही है |

शूद्र भी पढ़ा सकते हैं :

शूद्र भले ही अशिक्षित हों तब भी उनसे कौशल और उनका विशेष ज्ञान प्राप्त किया जाना चाहिए |

२.२३८: अपने से न्यून व्यक्ति से भी विद्या को ग्रहण करना चाहिए और नीच कुल में जन्मी उत्तम स्त्री को भी पत्नी के रूप में स्वीकार कर लेना चाहिए|

२.२४१ : आवश्यकता पड़ने पर अ-ब्राह्मण से भी विद्या प्राप्त की जा सकती है और शिष्यों को पढ़ाने के दायित्व का पालन वह गुरु जब तक निर्देश दिया गया हो तब तक करे |

ब्राह्मणत्व का आधार कर्म :

मनु की वर्ण व्यवस्था जन्म से ही कोई वर्ण नहीं मानती | मनुस्मृति के अनुसार माता- पिता को बच्चों के बाल्यकाल में ही उनकी रूचि और प्रवृत्ति को पहचान कर ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय या वैश्य वर्ण का ज्ञान और प्रशिक्षण प्राप्त करने के लिए भेज देना चाहिए |

कई ब्राह्मण माता – पिता अपने बच्चों को ब्राह्मण ही बनाना चाहते हैं परंतु इस के लिए व्यक्ति में ब्रह्मणोचित गुण, कर्म,स्वभाव का होना अति आवश्यक है| ब्राह्मण वर्ण में जन्म लेने मात्र से या ब्राह्मणत्व का प्रशिक्षण किसी गुरुकुल में प्राप्त कर लेने से ही कोई ब्राह्मण नहीं बन जाता, जब तक कि उसकी योग्यता, ज्ञान और कर्म ब्रह्मणोचित न हों |

२.१५७ : जैसे लकड़ी से बना हाथी और चमड़े का बनाया हुआ हरिण सिर्फ़ नाम के लिए ही हाथी और हरिण कहे जाते हैं वैसे ही बिना पढ़ा ब्राह्मण मात्र नाम का ही ब्राह्मण होता है |

२.२८: पढने-पढ़ाने से, चिंतन-मनन करने से, ब्रह्मचर्य, अनुशासन, सत्यभाषण आदि व्रतों का पालन करने से, परोपकार आदि सत्कर्म करने से, वेद, विज्ञान आदि पढने से, कर्तव्य का पालन करने से, दान करने से और आदर्शों के प्रति समर्पित रहने से मनुष्य का यह शरीर ब्राह्मण किया जाता है |

शिक्षा ही वास्तविक जन्म  :

मनु के अनुसार मनुष्य का वास्तविक जन्म विद्या प्राप्ति के उपरांत ही होता है | जन्मतः प्रत्येक मनुष्य शूद्र या अशिक्षित है | ज्ञान और संस्कारों से स्वयं को परिष्कृत कर योग्यता हासिल कर लेने पर ही उसका दूसरा जन्म होता है और वह द्विज कहलाता है | शिक्षा प्राप्ति में असमर्थ रहने वाले शूद्र ही रह जाते हैं |

यह पूर्णत: गुणवत्ता पर आधारित व्यवस्था है, इसका शारीरिक जन्म या अनुवांशिकता से कोई लेना-देना नहीं है|

२.१४८ : वेदों में पारंगत आचार्य द्वारा शिष्य को गायत्री मंत्र की दीक्षा देने के उपरांत ही उसका वास्तविक मनुष्य जन्म होता है | यह जन्म मृत्यु और विनाश से रहित होता है |ज्ञानरुपी जन्म में दीक्षित होकर मनुष्य मुक्ति को प्राप्त कर लेता है| यही मनुष्य का वास्तविक उद्देश्य है| सुशिक्षा के बिना मनुष्य ‘ मनुष्य’ नहीं बनता|

इसलिए ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय, वैश्य होने की बात तो छोडो जब तक मनुष्य अच्छी तरह शिक्षित नहीं होगा तब तक उसे मनुष्य भी नहीं माना जाएगा |

२.१४६ : जन्म देने वाले पिता से ज्ञान देने वाला आचार्य रूप पिता ही अधिक बड़ा और माननीय है, आचार्य द्वारा प्रदान किया गया ज्ञान मुक्ति तक साथ देता हैं | पिताद्वारा प्राप्त शरीर तो इस जन्म के साथ ही नष्ट हो जाता है|

२.१४७ :  माता- पिता से उत्पन्न संतति का माता के गर्भ से प्राप्त जन्म साधारण जन्म है| वास्तविक जन्म तो शिक्षा पूर्ण कर लेने के उपरांत ही होता है|

अत: अपनी श्रेष्टता साबित करने के लिए कुल का नाम आगे धरना मनु के अनुसार अत्यंत मूर्खतापूर्ण कृत्य है | अपने कुल का नाम आगे रखने की बजाए व्यक्ति यह दिखा दे कि वह कितना शिक्षित है तो बेहतर होगा |

१०.४: ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय और वैश्य, ये तीन वर्ण विद्याध्ययन से दूसरा जन्म प्राप्त करते हैं | विद्याध्ययन न कर पाने वाला शूद्र, चौथा वर्ण है | इन चार वर्णों के अतिरिक्त आर्यों में या श्रेष्ट मनुष्यों में पांचवा कोई वर्ण नहीं है |

इस का मतलब है कि अगर कोई अपनी शिक्षा पूर्ण नहीं कर पाया तो वह दुष्ट नहीं हो जाता | उस के कृत्य यदि भले हैं तो वह अच्छा इन्सान कहा जाएगा | और अगर वह शिक्षा भी पूरी कर ले तो वह भी द्विज गिना जाएगा | अत: शूद्र मात्र एक विशेषण है, किसी जाति विशेष का नाम नहीं |

‘नीच’ कुल में जन्में व्यक्ति का तिरस्कार नहीं :   

किसी व्यक्ति का जन्म यदि ऐसे कुल में हुआ हो, जो समाज में आर्थिक या अन्य दृष्टी से पनप न पाया हो तो उस व्यक्ति को केवल कुल के कारण पिछड़ना न पड़े और वह अपनी प्रगति से वंचित न रह जाए, इसके लिए भी महर्षि मनु ने नियम निर्धारित किए हैं |

४.१४१: अपंग, अशिक्षित, बड़ी आयु वाले, रूप और धन से रहित या निचले कुल वाले, इन को आदर और / या अधिकार से वंचित न करें | क्योंकि यह किसी व्यक्ति की परख के मापदण्ड नहीं हैं|

प्राचीन इतिहास में वर्ण परिवर्तन के उदाहरण :

ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय,वैश्य और शूद्र वर्ण की सैद्धांतिक अवधारणा गुणों के आधार पर है, जन्म के आधार पर नहीं | यह बात सिर्फ़ कहने के लिए ही नहीं है, प्राचीन समय में इस का व्यवहार में चलन था | जब से इस गुणों पर आधारित वैज्ञानिक व्यवस्था को हमारे दिग्भ्रमित पुरखों ने मूर्खतापूर्ण जन्मना व्यवस्था में बदला है, तब से ही हम पर आफत आ पड़ी है जिस का सामना आज भी कर रहें हैं|

 वर्ण परिवर्तन के कुछ उदाहरण - 

(a) ऐतरेय ऋषि दास अथवा अपराधी के पुत्र थे | परन्तु उच्च कोटि के ब्राह्मण बने और उन्होंने ऐतरेय ब्राह्मण और ऐतरेय उपनिषद की रचना की | ऋग्वेद को समझने के लिए ऐतरेय ब्राह्मण अतिशय आवश्यक माना जाता है |

(b) ऐलूष ऋषि दासी पुत्र थे | जुआरी और हीन चरित्र भी थे | परन्तु बाद में उन्होंने अध्ययन किया और ऋग्वेद पर अनुसन्धान करके अनेक अविष्कार किये |ऋषियों ने उन्हें आमंत्रित कर के आचार्य पद पर आसीन  किया | (ऐतरेय ब्राह्मण २.१९)

(c) सत्यकाम जाबाल गणिका (वेश्या) के पुत्र थे परन्तु वे ब्राह्मणत्व को प्राप्त हुए  |

(d) राजा दक्ष के पुत्र पृषध शूद्र हो गए थे, प्रायश्चित स्वरुप तपस्या करके उन्होंने मोक्ष प्राप्त किया | (विष्णु पुराण ४.१.१४)
अगर उत्तर रामायण की मिथ्या कथा के अनुसार शूद्रों के लिए तपस्या करना मना होता तो पृषध ये कैसे कर पाए?

(e) राजा नेदिष्ट के पुत्र नाभाग वैश्य हुए | पुनः इनके कई पुत्रों ने क्षत्रिय वर्ण अपनाया | (विष्णु पुराण ४.१.१३)

(f) धृष्ट नाभाग के पुत्र थे परन्तु ब्राह्मण हुए और उनके पुत्र ने क्षत्रिय वर्ण अपनाया | (विष्णु पुराण ४.२.२)

(g) आगे उन्हींके वंश में पुनः कुछ ब्राह्मण हुए | (विष्णु पुराण ४.२.२)

(h) भागवत के अनुसार राजपुत्र अग्निवेश्य ब्राह्मण हुए |

(i) विष्णुपुराण और भागवत के अनुसार रथोतर क्षत्रिय से ब्राह्मण बने |

(j) हारित क्षत्रियपुत्र से ब्राह्मण हुए | (विष्णु पुराण ४.३.५)

(k) क्षत्रियकुल में जन्में शौनक ने ब्राह्मणत्व प्राप्त किया | (विष्णु पुराण ४.८.१) वायु, विष्णु और हरिवंश पुराण कहते हैं कि शौनक ऋषि के पुत्र कर्म भेद से ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय, वैश्य और शूद्र वर्ण के हुए| इसी प्रकार गृत्समद, गृत्समति और वीतहव्य के उदाहरण हैं |

(l) मातंग चांडालपुत्र से ब्राह्मण बने |

(m) ऋषि पुलस्त्य का पौत्र रावण अपने कर्मों से राक्षस बना |

(n) राजा रघु का पुत्र प्रवृद्ध राक्षस हुआ |

(o) त्रिशंकु राजा होते हुए भी कर्मों से चांडाल बन गए थे |

(p) विश्वामित्र के पुत्रों ने शूद्र वर्ण अपनाया | विश्वामित्र स्वयं क्षत्रिय थे परन्तु बाद उन्होंने ब्राह्मणत्व को प्राप्त किया |

(q) विदुर दासी पुत्र थे | तथापि वे ब्राह्मण हुए और उन्होंने हस्तिनापुर साम्राज्य का मंत्री पद सुशोभित किया |

(r) वत्स शूद्र कुल में उत्पन्न होकर भी ऋषि बने (ऐतरेय ब्राह्मण २.१९) |

(s) मनुस्मृति के प्रक्षिप्त श्लोकों से भी पता चलता है कि कुछ क्षत्रिय जातियां, शूद्र बन गईं | वर्ण परिवर्तन की साक्षी देने वाले यह श्लोक मनुस्मृति में बहुत बाद के काल में मिलाए गए हैं | इन परिवर्तित जातियों के नाम हैं – पौण्ड्रक, औड्र, द्रविड, कम्बोज, यवन, शक, पारद, पल्हव, चीन, किरात, दरद, खश |

(t) महाभारत अनुसन्धान पर्व (३५.१७-१८) इसी सूची में कई अन्य नामों को भी शामिल करता है – मेकल, लाट, कान्वशिरा, शौण्डिक, दार्व, चौर, शबर, बर्बर|

(u) आज भी ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय, वैश्य और दलितों में समान गोत्र मिलते हैं | इस से पता चलता है कि यह सब एक ही पूर्वज, एक ही कुल की संतान हैं | लेकिन कालांतर में वर्ण व्यवस्था गड़बड़ा गई और यह लोग अनेक जातियों में बंट गए |

शूद्रों  के प्रति आदर :

मनु परम मानवीय थे| वे जानते थे कि सभी शूद्र जानबूझ कर शिक्षा की उपेक्षा नहीं कर सकते | जो किसी भी कारण से जीवन के प्रथम पर्व में ज्ञान और शिक्षा से वंचित रह गया हो, उसे जीवन भर इसकी सज़ा न भुगतनी पड़े इसलिए वे समाज में शूद्रों के लिए उचित सम्मान का विधान करते हैं | उन्होंने शूद्रों के प्रति कभी अपमान सूचक शब्दों का प्रयोग नहीं किया, बल्कि मनुस्मृति में कई स्थानों पर शूद्रों के लिए अत्यंत सम्मानजनक शब्द आए हैं |

मनु की दृष्टी में ज्ञान और शिक्षा के अभाव में शूद्र समाज का सबसे अबोध घटक है, जो परिस्थितिवश भटक सकता है | अत: वे समाज को उसके प्रति अधिक सहृदयता और सहानुभूति रखने को कहते हैं |

कुछ और उदात्त उदाहरण देखें -

३.११२: शूद्र या वैश्य के अतिथि रूप में आ जाने पर, परिवार उन्हें सम्मान सहित भोजन कराए |

३.११६: अपने सेवकों (शूद्रों) को पहले भोजन कराने के बाद ही दंपत्ति भोजन करें |

२.१३७: धन, बंधू, कुल, आयु, कर्म, श्रेष्ट विद्या से संपन्न व्यक्तियों के होते हुए भी वृद्ध शूद्र को पहले सम्मान दिया जाना चाहिए |

मनुस्मृति वेदों पर आधारित :

वेदों को छोड़कर अन्य कोई ग्रंथ मिलावटों से बचा नहीं है | वेद प्रक्षेपों से कैसे अछूते रहे, जानने के लिए ‘ वेदों में परिवर्तन क्यों नहीं हो सकता ? ‘ पढ़ें | वेद ईश्वरीय ज्ञान है और सभी विद्याएँ उसी से निकली हैं | उन्हीं को आधार मानकर ऋषियों ने अन्य ग्रंथ बनाए|  वेदों का स्थान और प्रमाणिकता सबसे ऊपर है और उनके रक्षण से ही आगे भी जगत में नए सृजन संभव हैं | अत: अन्य सभी ग्रंथ स्मृति, ब्राह्मण, महाभारत, रामायण, गीता, उपनिषद, आयुर्वेद, नीतिशास्त्र, दर्शन इत्यादि को परखने की कसौटी वेद ही हैं | और जहां तक वे  वेदानुकूल हैं वहीं तक मान्य हैं |

मनु भी वेदों को ही धर्म का मूल मानते हैं (२.८-२.११)

२.८: विद्वान मनुष्य को अपने ज्ञान चक्षुओं से सब कुछ वेदों के अनुसार परखते हुए, कर्तव्य का पालन करना चाहिए |

इस से साफ़ है कि मनु के विचार, उनकी मूल रचना वेदानुकूल ही है और मनुस्मृति में वेद विरुद्ध मिलने वाली मान्यताएं प्रक्षिप्त मानी जानी चाहियें |

शूद्रों को भी वेद पढने और वैदिक संस्कार करने का अधिकार :

वेद में ईश्वर कहता है कि मेरा ज्ञान सबके लिए समान है चाहे पुरुष हो या नारी, ब्राह्मण हो या शूद्र सबको वेद पढने और यज्ञ करने का अधिकार है |

देखें – यजुर्वेद २६.१, ऋग्वेद १०.५३.४, निरुक्त ३.८  इत्यादि और  http://agniveer.com/series/caste-series/ |

और मनुस्मृति भी यही कहती है | मनु ने शूद्रों को उपनयन ( विद्या आरंभ ) से वंचित नहीं रखा है | इसके विपरीत उपनयन से इंकार करने वाला ही शूद्र कहलाता है |

वेदों के ही अनुसार मनु शासकों के लिए विधान करते हैं कि वे शूद्रों का वेतन और भत्ता किसी भी परिस्थिति में न काटें ( ७.१२-१२६, ८.२१६) |

संक्षेप में - 

मनु को जन्मना जाति – व्यवस्था का जनक मानना निराधार है | इसके विपरीत मनु मनुष्य की पहचान में जन्म या कुल की सख्त उपेक्षा करते हैं | मनु की वर्ण व्यवस्था पूरी तरह गुणवत्ता पर टिकी हुई है |

प्रत्येक मनुष्य में चारों वर्ण हैं – ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय, वैश्य और शूद्र | मनु ने ऐसा प्रयत्न किया है कि प्रत्येक मनुष्य में विद्यमान जो सबसे सशक्त वर्ण है – जैसे किसी में ब्राह्मणत्व ज्यादा है, किसी में क्षत्रियत्व, इत्यादि का विकास हो और यह विकास पूरे समाज के विकास में सहायक हो |

अगले लेखों में हम मनु पर थोपे गए अन्य आरोप जैसे शूद्रों के लिए कठोर दंड विधान तथा स्त्री विरोधी होने की सच्चाई को जानेंगे |

लेकिन मनु पाखंडी और आचरणहीनों के लिए क्या कहते हैं, यह भी देख लेते हैं -

४.३०: पाखंडी, गलत आचरण वाले, छली – कपटी, धूर्त, दुराग्रही, झूठ बोलने वाले लोगों का सत्कार वाणी मात्र से भी न करना चाहिए |

जन्मना जाति व्यवस्था को मान्य करने की प्रथा एक सभ्य समाज के लिए कलंक है और अत्यंत छल-कपट वाली, विकृत और झूठी व्यवस्था है | वेद और मनु को मानने वालों को इस घिनौनी प्रथा का सशक्त प्रतिकार करना चाहिए | शब्दों में भी उसके प्रति अच्छा भाव रखना मनु के अनुसार घृणित कृत्य है |

 

प्रश्न : मनुस्मृति से ऐसे सैंकड़ों श्लोक दिए जा सकते हैं, जिन्हें जन्मना जातिवाद और लिंग-भेद के समर्थन में पेश किया जाता है | क्या आप बतायेंगे कि इन सब को कैसे प्रक्षिप्त माना जाए ? 

अग्निवीर: यही तो सोचने वाली बात है कि मनुस्मृति में जन्मना जातिवाद के विरोधी और समर्थक दोनों तरह के श्लोक कैसे हैं ? इस का मतलब मनुस्मृति का गहरे से अध्ययन और परीक्षण किए जाने की आवश्यता है | जो हम अगले लेख में करेंगे, अभी संक्षेप में देखते हैं -

आज  मिलने वाली मनुस्मृति में बड़ी मात्रा में मनमाने प्रक्षेप पाए जाते हैं, जो बहुत बाद के काल में मिलाए गए | वर्तमान मनुस्मृति लगभग आधी नकली है| सिर्फ़ मनुस्मृति ही प्रक्षिप्त नहीं है | वेदों को छोड़ कर जो अपनी अद्भुत स्वर और पाठ रक्षण पद्धतियों के कारण आज भी अपने मूल स्वरुप में है, लगभग अन्य सभी सम्प्रदायों के ग्रंथों में स्वाभाविकता से परिवर्तन, मिलावट या हटावट की जा सकती है | जिनमें रामायण, महाभारत, बाइबल, कुरान इत्यादि भी शामिल हैं | भविष्य पुराण में तो मिलावट का सिलसिला छपाई के आने तक चलता रहा |

आज रामायण के तीन संस्करण मिलते हैं – १. दाक्षिणात्य २. पश्चिमोत्तरीय ३. गौडीय और यह तीनों ही भिन्न हैं |  गीता प्रेस, गोरखपुर ने भी रामायण के कई सर्ग प्रक्षिप्त नाम से चिन्हित किए हैं | कई विद्वान बालकाण्ड और उत्तरकाण्ड के अधिकांश भाग को प्रक्षिप्त मानते हैं |

महाभारत  भी अत्यधिक प्रक्षिप्त हो चुका ग्रंथ है | गरुड़ पुराण ( ब्रह्मकांड १.५४ ) में कहा गया है कि कलियुग के इस समय में धूर्त स्वयं को ब्राह्मण बताकर महाभारत में से कुछ श्लोकों को निकाल रहे हैं और नए श्लोक बना कर डाल रहे हैं |

महाभारत का शांतिपर्व (२६५.९,४) स्वयं कह रहा है कि वैदिक ग्रंथ स्पष्ट रूप से शराब, मछली, मांस का निषेध करते हैं | इन सब को धूर्तों ने प्रचलित कर दिया है, जिन्होंने कपट से ऐसे श्लोक बनाकर शास्त्रों में मिला दिए हैं |

मूल बाइबल जिसे कभी किसी ने देखा हो वह आज अस्तित्व में ही नहीं है | हमने उसके अनुवाद के अनुवाद के अनुवाद ही देखे हैं |

कुरान भी मुहम्मद के उपदेशों की परिवर्तित आवृत्ति ही है, ऐसा कहा जाता है | देखें -http://satyagni.com/3118/miracle-islam/

इसलिए इस में कोई आश्चर्य नहीं होना चाहिए कि मनुस्मृति जो सामाजिक व्यवस्थाओं पर सबसे प्राचीन ग्रंथ है उसमें भी अनेक परिवर्तन किए गए हों | यह सम्भावना अधिक इसलिए है कि मनुस्मृति सर्व साधारण के दैनिक जीवन को, पूरे समाज को और राष्ट्र की राजनीति को प्रभावित करने वाला ग्रंथ रहा है | यदि देखा जाए तो सदियों तक वह एक प्रकार से मनुष्य जाति का संविधान ही रहा है | इसलिए धूर्तों और मक्कारों के लिए मनु स्मृति में प्रक्षेप करने के बहुत सारे प्रलोभन थे |

मनुस्मृति का पुनरावलोकन करने पर चार प्रकार के प्रक्षेप दिखायी देते हैं – विस्तार करने के लिए, स्वप्रयोजन की सिद्धी के लिए, अतिश्योक्ति या बढ़ा- चढ़ा कर बताने के लिए, दूषित करने के लिए| अधिकतर प्रक्षेप सीधे- सीधे दिख ही रहें हैं |

डा. सुरेन्द्र कुमार ने मनु स्मृति का विस्तृत और गहन अध्ययन किया है | जिसमें प्रत्येक श्लोक का भिन्न- भिन्न रीतियों से परीक्षण और पृथक्करण किया है ताकि प्रक्षिप्त श्लोकों को अलग से जांचा जा सके | उन्होंने मनुस्मृति के २६८५ में से १४७१ श्लोक प्रक्षिप्त पाए हैं |

प्रक्षेपों का वर्गीकरण वे इस प्रकार करते हैं -

- विषय से बाहर की कोई बात हो |

- संदर्भ से विपरीत हो या विभिन्न हो |

- पहले जो कहा गया, उसके विरुद्ध हो या पूर्वापार सम्बन्ध न हो |

- पुनरावर्तन हो |

- भाषा की विभिन्न शैली और प्रयोग हो |

- वेद विरुद्ध हो |

इसे और अच्छी तरह से समझने के लिए, मनुस्मृति के गहन और निष्पक्ष अध्ययन के लिए डा. सुरेन्द्र कुमार द्वारा लिखित मनुस्मृति (प्रकाशित-आर्ष साहित्य प्रचार ट्रस्ट,दिल्ली)  जो  www.vedicbooks.com   पर उपलब्ध है, अवश्य पढ़ें |

डा.सुरेन्द्र कुमार ही नहीं बल्कि बहुत से पाश्चात्य विद्वान जैसे मैकडोनल, कीथ, बुलहर इत्यादि भी मनुस्मृति में मिलावट मानते हैं |

डा. अम्बेडकर भी प्राचीन ग्रंथों में मिलावट स्वीकार करते हैं | वे रामायण, महाभारत, गीता, पुराण और वेदों तक में भी प्रक्षेप मानते हैं |

मनुस्मृति के परस्पर विरोधी, असंगत श्लोकों को उन्होंने कई स्थानों पर दिखाया भी है | वे जानते थे कि मनुस्मृति में कहां -कहां प्रक्षेप हैं | लेकिन वे जानबूझ कर इन श्लोकों को प्रक्षिप्त कहने से बचते रहे क्योंकि उन्हें अपना मतलब सिद्ध करना था | उनके इस पक्षपाती व्यवहार ने उन्हें दलितों का नायक जरूर बना दिया | इस तरह मनुविरोध को बढ़ावा देकर उन्होंने अपना और कई लोगों का राजनीतिक हित साधा | उनकी इस मतान्धता ने समाज में विद्वेष का ज़हर ही घोला है और एक सच्चे नायक मनु को सदा के लिए खलनायक बना दिया |

इसी तरह स्वामी अग्निवेश जो अपने आप को आर्यसमाजी बताते हैं, अपनी अनुकूलता के लिए ही यह भूलते हैं कि महर्षि दयानंद ने जो समाज की रचना का सपना देखा था वह महर्षि मनु की वर्ण व्यवस्था के अनुसार ही था | और उन्होंने प्रक्षिप्त हिस्सों को छोड़ कर अपने ग्रंथों में सर्वाधिक प्रमाण (५१४ श्लोक) मनुस्मृति से दिए हैं | स्वामी अग्निवेश ने भी सिर्फ़ राजनीतिक प्रसिद्धि पाने के लिये ही मनुस्मृति का दहन किया |

निष्कर्ष  :

मनुस्मृति में बहुत अधिक मात्रा में मिलावट हुई है | परंतु इस मिलावट को आसानी से पहचानकर अलग किया जा सकता है | प्रक्षेपण रहित मूल मनुस्मृति अत्युत्तम कृति है, जिसकी गुण -कर्म- स्वभाव आधारित व्यवस्था मनुष्य और समाज को बहुत ऊँचा उठाने वाली है |

मूल मनुस्मृति वेदों की मान्यताओं पर आधारित है |

आज मनुस्मृति का विरोध उनके द्वारा किया जा रहा है जिन्होंने मनुस्मृति को कभी गंभीरता से पढ़ा नहीं और केवल वोट बैंक की राजनीति के चलते विरोध कर रहे हैं |

सही मनुवाद जन्मना जाति प्रथा को पूरी तरह नकारता है और इसका पक्ष लेने वाले के लिए कठोर दण्ड का विधान करता है | जो लोग बाकी लोगों से सभी मायनों में समान हैं, उनके लिए, सही मनुवाद ” दलित ” शब्द के प्रयोग के ख़िलाफ़ है |

 

आइए, हम सब जन्म जातिवाद को समूल नष्ट कर, वास्तविक मनुवाद की गुणों पर आधारित कर्मणा वर्ण व्यवस्था को लाकर मानवता और राष्ट्र का रक्षण करें|

महर्षि मनु जाति, जन्म, लिंग, क्षेत्र, मत- सम्प्रदाय, इत्यादि सबसे मुक्त सत्य धर्म का पालन करने के लिए कहते हैं -

 

८.१७: इस संसार में एक धर्म ही साथ चलता है और सब पदार्थ और साथी शरीर के नाश के साथ ही नाश को प्राप्त होते हैं, सब का साथ छूट जाता है – परंतु धर्म का साथ कभी नहीं छूटता |

 

संदर्भ- डा. सुरेन्द्र कुमार, पं.गंगाप्रसाद उपाध्याय और स्वामी दयानंद सरस्वती के कार्य |

 

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  1. Satyen says

    First, I congratulate and thank the Agniveer team to come up with this article. I would like to share my views relating with one of the incidents of Shri Ram in Ramayan which is so discussed against his esteemed character. It’s regarding the killing Shambuk. There could be various possibilities of this killing. However, one thing is certain that Valmikijee has not explained this incident in detail and has given only a passing reference because it was obvious at that time that only a wicked will be punished by the exalted person like Shri Ram. This brevity of description of the incidence has been taken advantage by the people of vested interest.

    I feel, Shambuk was involved in an infanticidal activity. As mentioned in Shri Valmiki’s Ramayan, Ram proceeded in search of Shambuk when a Brahman sought justice for the death of his son. The reason of the death was anticipated to be an infanticiadal penance by some wicked person. Here we should think for a moment. In general a penance (Tapah) is a recommended act if done for a good cause. However, if it is performed for some criminal motive, it becomes a criminal act and the culprit must be punished irrespective of his birth based caste. That’s the reason, Ravan though a Brahman by birth was killed as he behaved like a kidnapper. Similarly, in the above casee, Shambuk was also punished by death due to his unpardonable misdeed. Otherwise, there is no explanation to Shri Ram’s behaviour who was full of compassion and respect for the shudras ( e.g. Nishad raj, Shabari, Kevat, Jatayu etc.). He has done the last rites of only one person, and that happens to be Jatayu, considered to among the meanest of birds. He said Shabari as his mother and Nishad raj, Hanuman, Sugriv as his brother/friend. On the other hand he killed mostly those who called themselves birth based brahmans such as Ravan and his clan.

  2. Satyen says

    Shri Ram is a true protector of the Shudras and annihilator of the criminals irrespective of their exalted birth based caste. Agniveer should come up with an article highlighting this characterisc of Shri Ram’s personality so that a general perception created by the Dalit leaders could be exposed as these so called leaders paint him as Anti -Dalit. This may cause the segregation of the Dalits from the mainstream of Hindu society.

    • aditya says

      It was later on manipulated. The original manusmriti is still out there , it is a matter of time before we find it .

  3. Kaushik says

    @satyan,don’t bother dalit leader because their intention only to ridicule hinduism, they claim brahmins are bad but they fail to see dr. Babasaheb ambedkar surname ambedkar given by his brahmin teacher,they claim brahmins destroyed buddhism but fail to see most teachers of buddhism are brahmins and finally Rama’s killing of shudra not tentable since the author valmiki himself is a shudra(valmiki caste).if rama killing of shambhuka tentable then it must be noted main battle in the epic rama vs ravana. Rama is kshtriya and ravana is brahmin.The main thing in the epic kshtriya killing brahmin! But our so called psedo dalit leader overlook it because it is not suit their agenda.

    • Sun says

      I think you people are destroying your own history once again for glorifying Rama , Ramayana ,Mahabharata , manu smriti etc and yourself to be more powerful . Many people who belong to upper caste , who had been great scholar accepted these things many many years before that how brutal you people been with Dalits until unless you people won’t realize this when British did same things to you also but that time also few of you manage to be had same leisure .

      I want to say here few things that if people don’t comment here or not talk publicly that doesn’t mean that they don’t know what is your motive behind these things to modifying your history and glorifying again and again.
      Following points I want to add here
      1) rawan’s mother was shudra and rawan’s himself thought he belong to shudra not Brahmin (his father) . He was king of all the shudras those days so he should be killed any how.
      2) if a king’s sister nose and ears cut by someone ( what ever reasons we’re given ). so what would be done by a brother couldn’t be justified yet.
      3) rawan’s being a powerful and handsome king was being rejected and insulted by Sita because he belonged to shudra blood.
      4)after kidnaping Sita , rawana provided everything what she wanted . So what happened on 16th dec 2013 in Delhi and not even that from more then 1000 years what kind of behavior are with girls and women in India so why don’t you people burn those culprits on dasahera in place of rawan.
      There are many to say but I don’t want to say.you people just play blame game that’s all

  4. says

    firstly i says that manusmriti is a very worst book of world . and author of manusmriti manu was a fully mad person .and now a day which people support the manusmriti they are the devil in human body..
    the brahmins are say that all the thing principle according to their duty at that time but it is wrong it is a trap for secure this worst book which was the medium of respect of them at that time .
    we can not tolerate the manusmriti .
    we through/burn all the vedas /puran/relesious book whose want to capture our freedom
    jai kori………jai kori……

  5. says

    firstly i says that manusmriti is a very wrost book of the the world,and authour of this book “manu” was totally mad & cheap person. boots, and etc. waste material should be thrown on such type of person .
    and now a days brahmin says that the devidation was according to their duty but it is wrong if such a type of matter then caste system can not rise their head and no any person become untouchable.this is a whole trap to secure this worst which was the simple medium of their respect .
    and “ram king of ayodhya ” was the slave of brahmin so how they can be maryada purusottam .
    all the trap of brahmin for save their respect in the society.
    we can not tolerate such a book /vedas/puran whose want to capture our freedom ……these are full of “pakhand”.
    through/burn the puran which support the caste system and try to catch our progress…………
    jai kori ………….jai kori…..

  6. Kaushik says

    First of all manusmriti is not authoritive book.There are many verses in manusmriti which has punishment for brahmins also.In india every community has its own smriti.In 1780 onwards when british started to take hindu studies,they puzzled to find any authoritive hindu law because every hindu commniuty has their own laws according to their social tradition. So british make manu as authoritve to understand hindu law and hindu reformers like dayanandji also give much attention to manusmriti. In india many practice casteism but donot know what manu smriti is? In indian subcontinent caste system is more social importance than religious.Sikhism,buddhism,christinity and islam also have caste system.There are many saints in hinduism are coming from sudra backgrounds.Hindu haters bashing hinduism with caste system but overlook the facts.Dalits never see hinduism as a foe they always fight for hinduism in pakistan most of the hindus are dalits despite life threats they preserve their religion.Only crafty dalit activist are against hinduism.(islam are divided by three caste 1.asraf 2.ajlaf 3.arjal or untouable muslims and christinity in south india and ancient christians in kerala practices untouchibity and avoid to marry intercaste marriges.)

  7. says

    अत्यंत उपयोगी जानकारी से परिपूर्ण, अकाट्य तर्कों पर आधारित
    सत्य का साक्षात् दर्शन कराने वाला शोधपूर्ण लेख है यह.
    आभार, साधुवाद, वंदन, अभिनन्दन !

  8. Sudarshan Datta says

    Kindly also provide an English translation of your valuable and informative webpage, Oblige.

    Many thanks anyhow for truthful appraisal of this great historical work, for this is able to defeat much misinformation fed in by the enemies of India in guise of liberals; liberals, because they have the liberty to speak, feed and spread misinformation, at times they get paid for such specialized services by Govt of India run by the Congoo Party, side by side by enemies of India!

  9. sajid says

    दरअसल आर्य समाजियों द्वारा ब्राह्मण और ऋषि होने मे बहुत ही घालमेल ही किया गया है। सबसे पहले तो मै ये स्पष्ट करना चाहूँगा कि ऋषि या साधु हो जाने का मतलब कभी भी ब्राह्मण होना नहीं होता है। अपनी धार्मिक आराधना के बल पर ऋषि कोई भी बन सकता है, पर जाति हमेशा जन्म आधारित ही होती है। इसकी पुष्टि इस प्रमाण के द्वारा कि जा सकती है कि महाभारत कि कथा के अनुसार कर्ण को हमेशा ही दासी पुत्र समझा गया। क्योंकि वो दासी के घर पाला बढ़ा। उस के शूद्र पिता राधे उसे उसकी शिक्षा प्राप्त करने की हठ के कारण उसे आचार्य द्रोण के पास ले जाते है। यहाँ पर गौर करने वाली बात ये है, कि बालक कर्ण अभी छोटा है, पर ऋषि द्रोण उसे शिक्षा देने से इसलिए मना कर देते है कि कर्ण सूतपुत्र है। अगर जाति जन्म आधारित न होकर कर्म आधारित होती है तो छोटे बालक कर्ण के कौन से कर्म देखकर उसको शूद्र घोषित कर दिया गया? दूसरा उदाहरण कि ऋषि परशुराम सिर्फ ब्राह्मण पुत्रो को ही शिक्षा दिया करते थे, यदि जाति कर्म आधारित होती थी तो परशुराम ये कैसे पता लगाते थे कि अमुक बालक ब्राह्मण नहीं है। कर्ण को कही भी शिक्षा न मिलना इस बात का प्रमाण भी है कि उस वक्त शूद्रो को शिक्षित करना अपराध माना जाता था। इसलिए एकलव्य और कर्ण जैसो को छुप कर और चोरी से अपनी पहचान छुपाते हुए शिक्षा प्राप्त करनी पड़ती थी।
    इसके अलावा दुर्योधन और शकुनि जब भी विदुर से चिढ़ते थे उसे हमेशा दासीपुत्र ही कहते थे। हालांकि अपनी योग्यता के बल पर वो महात्मा बने पर दासीपुत्र होने का कलंक कभी भी उनके माथे से नहीं हटा। एक दासी और राजा के मिलन के कारण उत्पन्न होने की वजह से ही उन्हे शिक्षित होने का अवसर मिला, पर वो दासीपुत्र होने के कारण कभी भी सिंहासन के उत्तराधिकारी नहीं माने गए। यदि वो भी शुद्ध शूद्र जाति मे जन्म लेते तो उन्हे अन्य शूद्रो कि तरह शिक्षा का अवसर कभी भी नहीं मिलता। इस वजह से उन्हे एक संत या साधू माना जा सकता है पर ब्राह्मण नहीं।
    वाल्मीकि महान ऋषि हुए है, ब्राह्मण नहीं।
    संत रैदास महान संत हुए है, पर ब्राह्मण नहीं।
    रावण को आज भी महाज्ञानी, महापंडित और ब्राह्मण माना जाता है पर साधु नहीं।
    इस प्रकार ये पता चलता है जाति जन्म आधारित होती है और साधु, संत तथा नीच होना कर्म आधारित।

    • raj.hyd says

      manniy shri sajid ji , sant to brahman se bada hota hai , raavan brahman jati me janm lene se brahman nahi bana balki shastro kagyata hone ke karan brahman tha ! sath me shri krishn v ram ji ko bhi dekh lijiye vah brahan n hote huye bhi bhagvan ki tarah pujniy ban gaye karn ne vidya chipkar nahi prapt ki thi ! dasi us samay nich nahi kaha jata tha ! jabsant raidas ban saktehai aur vah brahman n hote huye bhi ho sakte hai ! aur ap jaise anek muslim bhi is desh me sant aur brahman ban sakte hai ! bas ary samaj ki sangati kar lijiye ga !

    • Dr Vaneesh Singh says

      If drona refused to educate Karna, or duryodhana and Shakuni called Vidur dasiputra…how is that the fault of vedas or Manu…

      U r clearly mistaken about the difference between rishi and Brhaman..Rishi is a title with various ranks such as rishsi, rajrishis, maharishi and the ultmate Brhamarishi…whereas Brhaman is a qulaitative word..where u had to have certain traits and qualities..ur progression in ur knowledge gave u the title of the the various rishi ranks ..

      similar titles are seen in Kshatriya and vaisyas…

      so don’t try to mislead people…
      If you want the true meaning of what the 4 varnas are ..read what Lord Krishna says in Bhagavat Gita…

    • sudeept says

      Sajid ji,
      Aapko kuchh bhram ho gaya hai gyat padta hai. uchh sudhar aavashyak hai:
      1. Karna kabhi bhi Dasi-putra nahi kehlaya.
      2. Karna ke pita ka naam adhiradh tha naki Radhe.
      3. Adhirath sudra nahi the.
      4. Mahabharat ek ghatna ka vivaran hai, arthat yeh samaj vyavastha ko uski tat-kalin avastha ke anurup dikhata hai. Is kal tak vastavik kalpit(ideal) samaj me thoda bohut vivartan parivartan (corruption) hona asambhav to nahi hai.
      5. Karna ki mata Radhe, brahman santan thi. Adhirath kshatriya the aur raj-karmchari bhi. Arthat Brahman aur Kshatriyo ke bich vivah sampark hui karti thi aur inhe ghrinya nahi samjha jata tha (ho sakta hai ki heen samjha jata ho). Agar ghrinya samjha jata to Adhirath raj karmachari na rah pate.
      6. Mahabharat punah padhen, aapne aakshep jataya hai ki Dron ne karna ko sirf ishliye siksha nah idiya kyunki woh sut-putra tha. Bilkul galat. Dron ek raj karmachari matr hain, woh sirf Hastinapur ke Raja ke sanatano ko siksha de sakte hain. Only a paid employee. isi karan Dron ne aur koi bhi chhatr nahi liya.
      7. Eklavya ko bhi dron ne sikha nahi diya tha iske do karno ka ullekh Mahabharat me milta hai, a) Woh kuruvangshi nah ithe, b) Eklavya ke pita Nishad raj Hiranyadhanus, Magadh sena me sahajogi the, aur Magadh hamesha se Hastinapur ka shatru raha tha. c) Dron ko Bhism ne niyukti ke samay kaha tha ki aur koi bhi balak kuru vangshiyon se behtar na ho (hanki unhone kuchh chhal karke Ashwatthama ko bhi sashtra vidya sikhai).
      8. Vidur ko Duryodhan dasiputra kehte the: a) Aap ne hi kaha hai, chidate samay, to chidate samay to kafi kuchh kaha jata hi hai; b) Duryodhan kisi bhi drishtikon se vedic sanskriti ka pratik to nahi hai!!
      9. Dasi aur Raja ke milan se Vidur janme, yah baat aapne kahan pad li? Unke pita Vyas dev the (Pandu aur Dhritrashtra ke bhi)!!
      10. Agar dasi-putra hone ke karan pakshapat rehta to Bhism unhe uccha sikhsha na pradan karte na hi unhone mahamantri ke pad par aasin kiya jata.
      11. Vidur kabhi bhi singhashan ke uttaridhikari nahi the karan woh kuru-vangshi nahi the na unke mata na unke pita. Pandu aur Dhritrashtra ki mataein kuru kul-vadhuyen thi.

      Aap Mahabharat ka punah adhdhyayan karein aur bina kisi pakshpat se karein.

    • Sun says

      Well said sir! There are many more . Inke panditon ne hi daliton ka itihaas sheen kar aur meeta kar usko thore Maror kar likha . Par inke likhe hue itihaas par Kahin na Kahin se such jhalakata hai aur Dalit par likh ke ab sawan uda rahen hai to ab . Fir se ye log apne hi purwajo ke haathon likhe gaye itihaas ko fir se pher badal karke . Sabhi galat chize chupa kar Naye zamane me laane ki koshis me lage hue hain.

  10. jai shankar says

    @sajid bhai,ye jo jativad hai, janam se ki karam se, ye itna aap samaj rahe hai,utna aasan nahi hai.koi janam se jativad siddha karta hai ex .aam ke ped se aam hi aayenge,imali ke ped se imali aayengi vaise brahman se brahman hi paida honge. Ab tum asiddha karoge ki karm se jati mano brahman ka beta sharabi,juva,maans khata hai to vo shudra huva.isliye karm se jati manana uchit hai.bhai ye jativad hal honewale me se nahi hai,jatiya karm se manoge to jo aurato jaise karam kare use aurat ke jati ka manana padega.aur jo aurat mardo jaisa karm kare to use mard jati ka manana padega.nahi ye jativad kahi se bhi hal hone ko nahi hai.ye jativad anadi hai,ramayan se aajtak chal raha hai.ye vishvavyapak hai.musalman me bhi hai,isaiyo me bhi hai.jinno ki jati alag,farishte ki alag,allah ki alag,paiganbar ki alag,shaitan ki alag.ye jatiya alag alag hai isi liye to ye pahchane jate hai,nahi to allah koun aur shaitan koun kaise samaj me aate.tum sirf apni fikr karo is jativad se mat panga lo mere bhai.

  11. Dr. Yashwant Howal says

    Mr. Agniveerji your admiring of Manusmruti are not enough fortunate to change the truth of hundreds of years untouchability of Shudras & Ati-shudras. their troubles & wildlyness will be remain unchanged. their residence is going to remain out of the borders of the village same like the ancient era. For such a lot of worst happenings the Manusmruti is responsible widely. where you are pointing towards the goodness of Manusmruti for Shudras while crores of peoples are readily suffered and experienced the non humanity & ugliness of it. It is only like that You are giving respect & worshiping the Murderer of number of peoples as he has not injured you or murdered your anyone. So please allow to express the emotions of others also & if possible try to understand the feelings definitely they are not to injure emotions of anyone but to express the anger on evilness only.

    • Ashish says

      @Dr. Yashwant Howal

      How its Manu’s fault if people start doing things in his name even after he NEVER advised it to nor he promoted?

      The original smriti is in scarce, the distorted is available. What that poor men did? What was his exact fault?

  12. says

    Interesting site and interesting comments indeed…
    Rishi & Brahmin are different? Indeed they are. Since a “Rishi” does not have an apparent SOCIAL GOAL, whereas, all those are within a SOCIAL SYSTEM do have a SOCIAL GOAL based on their individual aptitudes.
    Another form of Ashram (apart from Varnashram) categorises divides individual goals based on TIME, not KNOWLEDGE (as in case of Varnashram).
    Maybe this figurative depiction can throw some more light (here is a link below): http://gyangunj.blogspot.in/2012/08/socio-spiritual-plans-for-life-living.html
    However, do remember that these are only ideal ‘benchmarks’ shown by our sages…they are always exceptions.
    Regards, Anupam

  13. Gopal says

    “ऋषि या साधु हो जाने का मतलब कभी भी ब्राह्मण होना नहीं होता है”
    “अगर जाति जन्म आधारित न होकर कर्म आधारित होती है तो छोटे बालक कर्ण के कौन से कर्म देखकर उसको शूद्र घोषित कर दिया गया?”
    “यदि जाति कर्म आधारित होती थी तो परशुराम ये कैसे पता लगाते थे कि अमुक बालक ब्राह्मण नहीं है।”
    The comment of Mr. Sajid is very true about casteism system. Though Agniveer attempt to abolish Casteism System (But it is based on Wrong Presumptions and interpretation). Real difference between RISHI & BRAHMIN cleared by Mr. Sajid. It is based on manusmrti. Why should we always follow to Brahmins, while many of sages and saints are non-brahmin. when brahmins (Manu-Smriti) says follow casteism, Hindu Samaj follow Manu-Smriti. When Brahmins says now follow another things. Why should hindu Samaj always follow that things. If Brahmins really want to abolish casteism. then they should follow Schedule Caste people.

    • Dr Vaneesh Singh says

      If drona refused to educate Karna, or duryodhana and Shakuni called Vidur dasiputra…how is that the fault of vedas or Manu…

      U r clearly mistaken about the difference between rishi and Brhaman..Rishi is a title with various ranks such as rishsi, rajrishis, maharishi and the ultmate Brhamarishi…whereas Brhaman is a qulaitative word..where u had to have certain traits and qualities..ur progression in ur knowledge gave u the title of the the various rishi ranks ..

      similar titles are seen in Kshatriya and vaisyas…

      so don’t try to mislead people…
      If you want the true meaning of what the 4 varnas are ..read what Lord Krishna says in Bhagavat Gita…

      and Sadhu – jus meas a good man just like Sadhvi meas a good women…

      Sant means ..to be good. or to be real and is not a vedic term ….

      so clear your confusion please…

  14. Ajay meena says

    साजिद जी आपके नाम ऐसा प्रतित होता है कि आप मुसलमान हैँ यदि आप मुसलमान है तो आपको ये अधिकार नही है कि आप हमारे धर्म मै हस्तछेप करेँ फिर भी आपने प्रश्न कर हि लिया है तो मै जबाब देता हुँ रामायण गीता महाभारत ये सब घटनाये है जो प्रथ्वी पर समय समय पर घटित हूई हैँ लेकिन वैद कोई घटित होने वाली घटना नही हैँ वह तो ईश्वरीय देन हैँ आपने कहा कि महाभारत मै कर्ण को शूद्र होने के कारण उसे शिछा से वंचित रखा गया लेकिन इसमे वेदो का कोई दोष नही है

    • dashrath says

      महाभारत मै कर्ण को शूद्र होने के कारण उसे शिछा से वंचित रखा गया लेकिन इसमे वेदो का कोई दोष नही है
      वेदो का कोई दोष है manusmriti

      • raj.hyd says

        karn ko shiksha fir kisne di? vah yuddh kala me kaise parangat ho paya? usne eklavy ki tarah chori se shiksha nahi prapt ki thi ? vah yuddhkala me itna parngat tha ki shri krishn ji unke sath apni sena bhi de di thi !

  15. says

    There is no doubt that since British occupation of India there is well designed motives to malign Hinduism and show it that Christianity and other religions are better then Hinduism. We should not forget who practice apartheid and slavery until few decades ago, Which civilisation snatch the right to live from the aborigines and red Indians, no other then white world of the West. British and White Christian world want Hindus to get convert to their faith and adopt their culture which is nothing but cultural slavery. Rajendra kanu

  16. vikhyat mishra says

    @sajid……

    usi mahabharat ke aarambh me ek sadharan vyakti ko bharatvansh ka uttaridhikari banaya jata hai,
    ek aisa sadharan insan jise raja banaya gaya jabki na wo rajwansh se tha na kisi unche kul se
    use sirf isliye raja banaya gaya kyuki usme shaurya aur parakram tha use uske karmo ne bharatwanshiyo me shamil kar diya

    JO LOG MAHABHARAT KO PADH CHUKE HAIN WO JANTE HAIN MAI KISKI BAAT KAR RAHA HU

    • anti-agni says

      @slave, because before entering kaba they revert to best of creatures. Islam doesn’t degrade human by saying them shudra etc it is Hinduism only. if you have any shudra then tell them to contact me i will tell them method to cobvert fron degraded shudras to respected human .

      so will you accept that you are so called aryasamaji?

      • Slave of holy prophet (SAW) says

        @anti-agni
        __________before entering kaba they revert to best of creatures_________
        Yes, Shudra are worst creature as per Islam and not allowed to enter in Kaaba without purification. They need to go purification process before entering in Kaaba. Although rapist, looter, terrorist like Osama, Kasab, Mohammed, Gazani etc. do not need to go through purification process because they are already Muslim as per Islam.

        • anti-agni says

          @slave of moolshankar, real hate monger aryasamaji, are you living in no man’s land? If you are Indian and raping any girl then you’ll get punishment according to law. if you will try to loot or rape in Saudi then you’ll get punishment according to Islamic law.

          If you are Indian and you are looting here then how could. Saudi government know that you are criminal? when you’ll apply for passport then it is duty of our intelligence that they tell saudi that you are criminal?

          Every shudra is allowed at kaba but not as degraded person but as highest form of creature.

          • Sanatan Dharma says

            @anti-agni
            ______________degraded person but as highest form of creature.________
            Yaa, I know many rapist, terrorist visit Kaaba every year. But Islam has no problem with them because they are highest creature of Allah/believer in prophet and Allah. But a Shudra not allowed without purification. There is no greater sin than non-believing in Allah. Believers all sins like rape, looting, terrorism will be forgiven by Allah but non-believer (Shudra) will be punished by Allah eternally in hell.

  17. Sanatan Dharma says

    @Anti-Agni
    Will you tell me what is size of Allah’s throne? For what Allah created his throne? On which Allah used to sit before creating his throne?

  18. anti-agni says

    @slave of moolshankar/sanatani/real hate monger, in the game of deceiving you have forgotten that you are exposing yourself, you have made it crystal clear that slave of profet and sanatani are the same person and deceiving peoples by posing as Muslim.

    your arrogance is not allowing you to understand that if shudra means degraded untouchable person and if Islam is saying that you are not untouchable you should convert to your real status before entering in masjid al haram then what is your problem ?

    Is shudra a degree given by Hindus that can’t be changed? What a non Muslim will do at kaba?

    • Sanatan Dharma says

      @anti-agni
      Why do you force the people to believe in a rapist, pedophilia, narcissist Mohammed to enter in Kaaba.

    • Sanatan Dharma says

      @anti-agn
      Moolshankar had not submitted his soul to Arabs. He was proud to be Indian. For Moolshankar, India is most holiest place not Kaaba, Moolashankar was patriot, you are traitor, hate monger follower of rapist, pedophilia, terrorist, lecher ,narcissist, mass murdered, looter Mohammed. .

      Taqiya is prescribed by Islam. So, you must have no problem with Taqiya.

      Sahih al-Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369: Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle”?

      Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?; The Prophet said, Yes; Muhammad bin Maslama said, Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). The Prophet said, “You may say it”

  19. Sanatan Dharma says

    @anti-agni
    I do not believe Shudra is untouchable. I do not care what others believe. Agniveer also against this. It is against Vedic Dharma.
    Hindu are not stick to any book. The are changing. There law also against UN-touchability.

    • anti-agni says

      @if you don’t care about what others believe then why we care what do you believe ? If shudra is birth based as believed and practiced by 99% Hindus, and if Islam is giving them solution to come out from this degradation then what is ur problem ?

      If shudra is based on karma and Islam is demanding that you should change your karma before entering in kaba then what is your problem ?

      You know that in gurukul kangri university there is not single muslim or christian in whole university on any post, do u know. y? Because they forced candidate to believe in aryasamaj and should be vegetarian. when i ask that is milk veg? Then no aryasamaji give correct answer.

      you not only differentiate on behalf of believe but also on diet. you can search on gkvharidwar website they do not give eid and Christmas leave….and that university is fully funded by government that is not a private university. you can’t show such degradation or differentiation in amu jamia hamdard jamia millia integral university etc etc.

      • Sanatan Dharma says

        @Anti Agni
        __________Islam is giving them solution to come out from this degradation____________
        What solution?. To be Muslim one is forced to believe in rapist, pedophilia, terrorist, lecher ,narcissist, mass murdered, looter Mohammed and absurdities of Quran. We (Shudra) not want such solutions.
        ___________If shudra is based on karma and Islam is demanding that you should change your karma before entering in kaba__________
        You mean to say we should submit our soul to Arabs and rapist, pedophilia, terrorist, lecher ,narcissist, mass murdered, looter Mohammed. We should prefer Kaaba over our nation as most holiest place. Sorry, we are not traitor.
        ___________You know that in gurukul kangri university there is not single muslim or christian__________
        Muslim have submitted their soul to Arabs and pedophilia, looter prophet. They prefer Saudi Arab over India. For traitors there is no place in Gurukul.
        __________they do not give eid and Christmas leave_________
        Why should they (Gurukuls) celebrate festival of Arabs? Does Arabs gives leave of Diwali, Dusshera, Holy etc?

      • aditya says

        Woah!! Woah!! Islam giving Solutions??? I would be more than Happy if it Never gave any Problems!!!

        It is the most rutal CULT i have ever seen. Islam is Anti-Scientific and Anti-Human. Basically Islam does not treat even the fellow muslim Women properly ,HOW DO YOU EXPECT IT TO BE GIVING SOLUTIONS ??
        Well I guess you are brainwashed about that 72 Virgins and Wine. Well I Allah running a Brothel and serving Booze to his followers. How gross is it ?

        • anti-agni says

          @aditya you have regurgitated yourr hatred well but do u think ur fellow aryasanaji sanatani’s arguments make any sense?

          Islam has given respect women in their female form but what west is doing? They have made their women like men. west has created such atmosphere tgat women have to wear men like cloths work like men, have they given respect in their original form?

          They have made their girls a tool for marketing and your Indian hindu society is following them blindly, your daughter and sisters wear such clothes which is fully revealing, you can’t ask your sister where you have been?you see that your sister’s or daughter’s cloths are nit appropriate and everyone is examining their body but you can’t say anything to your daughter or sis because you have no standard for clothes in your religion. Just try to say something then listen the answer how your sister will scold you on ur prehistoric backward mentality.

          just ask any woman(not girl) that do you like your job or you are comfortable? Then you’ll know that they are suffering in thrir so called freedom. we respect women doesn’t want to overload them and don’t want them to be molested by anyone.

          • Sanatan Dharma says

            @Anti-Agni
            __________Islam has given respect women in their female form but what west is doing________
            Islamic respect to woman.
            Qur’an (2:282) – “And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.”
            In Sharia Law, when an Islamic court requires the testimony of 2 people, the witnesses have to be two men. If two men are not available, then they have to be a man and two women.

            Polygamy
            In this case, a woman is actually worth 1/4 of a man. Men (and only men) are allowed to have up to 4 wives. This does not include the concubines, sex slaves and temporary marriages that are allowed for men.

            Qur’an (4:3) – “Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four”

            The Blood Money (Diyah) of a Woman is HALF a Man’s

            If someone accidentally kills a Muslim man or a Muslim woman, they are required to give “blood money” to the victim’s family as a fine. In Sharia Law, the money you pay for killing a woman is HALF of what you pay for killing a man.

  20. anti-agni says

    @sanatani, you have to give holiday because gurukul is running by my money….. i an a tax payer. you are not supposed to give Chinese holiday so y arab doesn’t require to give holiday for holi because they are not running their university by your money.

    you can read your comments again to see your filthy arguments totally wrong as moolshankar taught u in satyarthprakash.

    very soon gurukula is going to answer about eid and Christmas .

    you ppls say that your devlish cult support logic and humanity but you can read yours and your fellow’s comments how much illogical and prejudiced biased hatemongers you are. You can’t give us job in gurukul and call us traitor. You have no answer so y 99% hindus rejected your devlish cult.

      • anti-agni says

        @agnostic hindu, if you. read previous comments u can see that many times Muslims saying one another that your behavior is against islam you should not use such language but i have not seen any aryasamaji objecting on any other aryasamaji.

        can u not see how illogical and wrong arguments ur fellow sanatani/slave of profet/TS is giving? Can u justify gurukul kangri behavior ? Is gurukul treating all humans equally? An university not giving Christmas and eid holiday and it is justified for you? Regarding you can search one of the top singer of france maleni georgia reverted to ialam Allahuakbar.

        • hinduagnostic says

          this is because you dont understand hinduism at all im not arya samaji but hindus do differ with eachother both theistic and athiestic hindus but its not as radical as muslims and what behaviour of gurukul kangri? it is just like christian schools if you agree to follow christian principles you will accepted into the school if you being a muslim accept vedic pprinciples then you willl be acceptedaswell and thse people who convert to islam most of the time are christians this is because they believed in jesus but it is easier to say he was a man and a prophet if other beliefs accepted jesus as a man people would go to those beliefs besides christianity only islam accepts jesus but the truth is many muslims are leaving islam esically suni muslims followed most muslims in the world today

        • hinduagnostic says

          alot of muslims are hateful,violent muslims those muslims who say not use hateful languages are those who want to show islam is peaceful and teaches good i can give you a list of ways muslims try to convert people and sunni muslims are worse type of muslims i still have some respect for ahmadi,ismali,sufi,shia muslims even though you call them as herectics

    • Sanatan Dharma says

      @anti-agni
      _________you have to give holiday because gurukul is running by my money____________
      Islamic/ Arbi looter like Gori, Gazani, Abdali, etc looted India & raped with Indian women then why do they not give leave for Indian holiday like Dushhera, Diwali etc.
      ________i an a tax payer________
      You taxpayer does not mean Gurukul should give you leave for the festival of Arabs. What Gurukul has to do with the festivals of Arabs and their cultures? They are highest enemy of our country. You are tax payers because you earn money from the this country. This country is providing you shelter, livelihood not Saudi Arab.
      ______________as moolshankar taught u in satyarthprakash.__________
      Moolashankar taught us Saudi Arabs are hypocrite they bow before biggest stone of the world that is Kaaba. Moolshankar was patriot. And he was against Islamic concept of God the who makes fuss over Idol worship, formlessness and even non worship. Moolashanker was against the absurdities of Quran. Then, What wrong Moolshnakar was doing?

  21. anti-agni says

    @agnostic hindu, which christian school has such rules and specially when it is fully funded by government? if you hv any private school then it isd ok but gurukul kangri is fully funded by government.

  22. hinduagnostic says

    i dont think it is funded by government it is gurukul made by arya samjis and i live in the us and christian schools do not give holiday for many non christian festivals but for christmas and easter you do get and i do think non hindu can attend the gurukul nowhere i can find does it say non muslims cant attend.

    • anti-agni says

      @agnostic hindu, it is amazing situation whenever i discuss anything here at agniveer he turns to be non arya? Bro u are living in us but you can search on internet, just click here http://www.gkvharidwar.org it is gurukul kangri vushwavidyalya haridwar…

      bro there are many Muslim students but not a single Muslim in staff because they demand that candidate must be vegetarian and must have faith in aryasamaj?
      Can u tell me what is vegetarian? what is milk? If any Muslim university funded by government makes it mandatory that candidate must be meat eater and must have faith in islam then will u justify it?

      Why you peoples always say that i don’t think it i don’t think that? You can search on google ugc ie university grant commission funded universities.
      i haven’t met a single aryasamaji at agniveer who support humanity and accept their faults.

      • hinduagnostic says

        yes i know but you tried to say gurukul doesnt accept non hindus i just told you nowhere i can find it is say non hindus cant go to the gurukul and it doesnt say it funded by government but arya samaj if you go to christian schools they make you pray to jesus because it is based on christian principles if you accept vedic principles and dont eat meat in the gurukul you will be accepted and whats the problem if you dont eat meat in gurukul you dont have to eat meat all the time if you eat it? and all hindus believe in humanity which is why they accept all different beliefs into india and dont read their hindu texts and the arya samaj believe only vedas is the book to be followed by world and all other religious books got influced by the vedas and made their own beliefs

        • anti-agni says

          @agnostic hindu, now i doubt that you live in us….you can search on ugc wesite and xan find it is fully funded and it must follow all the rules made for government universities. it is also goven on gurukul site that it is ugc university.

          they want affidavit that i am vegetarian and how could a Muslim give false affidavit ?

          Suppose i give false affidavit then they never believe that a mualim can be vegan ..if u are in us have u ever heard that any us government university has such rules that candidate must eat meat and he should believe in christianity?

          You can justify anything but if someone ask to human resource ministry they will scold them.

          about management of university by arrogant selfmade noble peoples you can ask any gurukul student on fb. vc nevrr left university without beaten by fellow staff. their status remain under scrutiny for many years because of nany discrepancies. it is called ghar ki university because staff come according to their will..if u want to see real face of office office in india then go to gurukula.

          • hinduagnostic says

            is that your answer you think im a liar like you muslims are the gurukul allows all public to enter its gurukul but it is based on vedic principles and you dont have to be vegetarian but have to agree on conditions that meat will not be offerd at gurukul if you need meat to live in this world then dont go to gurukul simple but if you are non hindu and agree on the conditions on vegetarian food you will be accepted and no in us you dont have to be a christian to go to christian university but you have to agree to the conditions that it will be based on christian beliefs and if there is oversuscrbition christian school can choose students with christian faith

          • anti-agni says

            @agnostic , i don’t know how you understand? it is not residential type university, staff reside outside the university and staff include peon, electrician, security and teachers…how could you say that you must be vegan to get the job ?

            If aligarh Muslim university demand that u must be meat eater and must have faith in islam then will you justify it?

          • Slave of Allah says

            @anti-agni

            ___________f aligarh Muslim university demand that u must be meat eater and must have faith in islam then will you justify it_________
            Islam nowhere prescribed meat eating to be Muslim. If meat eating is Good habit, Islam must have directed to its followers to take meat as compulsory.
            The question is not that you have killed the animal and killing is not good, no. The question is that you have killed the animal — you. Just to eat? While beautiful vegetarian food is available? If vegetarian food is not available, that’s one thing. But the food IS available. Then why? Then why destroy a body? And if you can kill an animal, then why not be a cannibal? What is wrong with killing a man? The meat derived from a human body will be more in tune with you. Why not start eating human beings? That too is a question of aesthetics.

          • anti-agni says

            @agnostic, if university has been demanded that candidate can’t eat meat inside campus then it’s okay but what i am telling and what you understanding ?
            They are not saying to their employees but tgey advertise in their advertisements that candidate must be vegan and must have faith in aryasamaj.

            it is primary requirement to apply that you must be vegan and they never believe tht Muslim can be vegan. it iss total discrimination and against Indian law.

          • Sanatan Dharma says

            @anti-agn
            _____________________if university has been demanded that candidate can’t eat meat inside campus then it’s okay but what i am telling and what you understanding _________________
            Do hindu have not full fill this condition of to be vegan? If it is applicable on All Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc. what problem do you have if no religion have complain to have vegan food.

          • hinduagnostic says

            no brother nowhere can i find does it say you have to be vegetarian and never ever had meat in your life instead you should know that meat wont be served at the gurukul and nowhere does it say non muslims cant enter and go there and the gurukul is arya samaj university thats it not everyone there is arya samaji

  23. Slave of prophet says

    @anti-agni
    ______________Can u tell me what is vegetarian_______________
    The people who do not harm any innocent intentionally/just for tong test. & have compassion for all the creatures of Allah are vegetarian. They are highly evolved soul.
    As per Islam we should take the food which does not give pain to other living being and useful for our health. As mother feeds the milk to child it does give pain
    to mother same as cow does not feel pain while giving milk. Islam no where prescribe meat eating.

    • Slave of prophet says

      @Sorry for error
      As mother feeds the milk to child it does not give pain
      to mother same as cow does not feel pain while giving milk. Islam no where prescribe meat eating.

  24. anti-agni says

    @slave, you should complain Indian government why they promote egg and fish industry ? Why they give subsidy for poultry?

    why Indian government is promoting egg “jo anda roz khate hn woh hatte katte hote hain”. Who owns more poultry farm or fishery industries — Hindus or Muslims?

    Why you kill billions bacteria of yogurt to just for yourr taste of tongue ? Cow give milk for their children not for you, you just steal that milk. you said that a vegetarian should eat human flesh if he can eat cow flesh, y don’t you take lactating women milk? It is more suitable for human.

    your arguments are baseless like a blockhead person. if i eat cow flesh then i have to eat fellow human also and when you take cow milk y u not take human milk? When are going to start human milk industry ?

  25. Slave of prophet says

    @anti-agni
    Indian Government is corrupt it also promote Tobacco, wine other intoxicated items.
    __________kill billions bacteria of yogurt to just for yourr taste of tongue__________
    I don’t do it intentionally. So, Allah will forgive me. It is just for survival.
    ___________Cow give milk for their children not for you, you just steal that milk___________
    Cow does not deny me to get milk. I ask to mother cow before getting milk. I do not force her. I serve her batter to get milk. She gets happy and gives me milk. She (Cow) feels happy while giving me milk as mother feels happy while feeding her children.

    • anti-agni says

      @slave, i think u are fool, don’t know anything about India. Tobacco is banned in 7 states, smoking at public is punishable crime, you have to mention “tobacco is injurious to health”. Wine is banned in gujrat . you can’t advertise wine on tv or paper.

      no cow give u milk willingly…you are liar.. just try to milk ones.

      agnostic, i have said that condition mentioned in find on advertise and you can’t find advertise on web but you can

  26. anti-agni says

    @slave, we also eat meat for survival and you can see no goat eat garbage as your mom cow eat garbage . So we are helping goat and buffalo by eating them.

    you can live without eating yogurt and milk and without boiling veg. when you boil vegetables you kill billions of bacteria. jain muni even don’t pluck fruit……as they are surviving you can also survive. why you satisfy your taste buds by eating cheese or other dairyproducts. why you kill crores and crore small living things when you spray on vegetables?

    if you can livr without harming moths and other living creatures then y you kill?

    • hinduagnostic says

      its better to kill small trillions of bacteria to survive than to kil large animals who have equal right as us to live

      • anti-agni says

        @hindu, it means you believe tin killing of poor and weak is justified? You can trillions of bacteria because they are weak and small?why they don’t have equal rights to survive?

        • Iblees was an angel as per Quran 2.34 & 20.116 says

          @anti-agni
          In Islamic state what to call rights of small Bactria even huge animal have no right.

          (Slave of prophet)

        • hinduagnostic says

          no killing uneccasarily as a whole is wrong but if you had to choose that you can survive it is better to kill small trillions of bacteria or plants than to kill any other animal also plants and bacteria dont have nervous system so they dont feel pain neither do animals like clams and oysters

    • Slave of prophet says

      @anti-agni
      Although killing of animal to eat for the purpose of survival is different matter and can have some concession. Although I may be wrong.
      ___________So we are helping goat and buffalo by eating them _________
      How are you helping them? There is a cow in my house also & she loves me too much & my family livelihood depends on her milk, dung and urine. My father used to serve this cow when he died there are tears in cow eyes and cow left the food also for 2-3 days. Same had happened when cow lost (died) her calf. We sale her dung and urine also. So, I do not think we should kill an animal just for tong test who have feeling for ourselves.

      • anti-agni says

        @o my dear foolish slave, everyone love their cows until they stop giving milk. when cow become old and stop giving milk they through them on road as stray animal to eat garbage like pigs..

        now nobody is interest in cow because they become burden when old. don’t give your example just try to identify when you see some cows eating garbage and sabziwala beating them mercilessly when the stealing vegetables.

        atleast accept practical realities.

        • Slave of prophet says

          @anti-agn
          ________dear foolish slave_______
          Firstly, learn some etiquette. Your mother has not taught you anything.
          __________everyone love their cows until they stop giving milk.________
          I am not selfish person like you. I am true slave of my prophet.
          _________when cow become old and stop giving milk they through them on road________
          Only kufrs do it. True slave of prophet loves/protects who has feeling for humans. Mother cow kicked my bucket 3 times as denying me to get milk when my father died (her loving son).

          • anti-agni says

            @slave, have u learned from your mother how to talk about prophets?
            You are deceiving here by taking muslim name and misrepresenting islam here, is the teachibg of ur mother? You always change so many names and deceive others ..

            if you want to talk about you then it usdifferent matter but generally cow has no option other than heap of garbage . we’ll see how you treat your mom cow when it’ll give up giving milk.

            you have raped your daughter in law and talking about etiquette?shame on you.

  27. Slave of Prophet says

    @anti-agn
    ________deceiving here by taking muslim name and misrepresenting islam________
    Do you want to say whoever preaches vegetarianism is against Islam? They are not Muslim who do not believe in killing of animals just for test & who have compassionate attitude towards animals.
    _________You always change so many names and deceive________
    What is Taqiya? Is it not allowed in Islam?
    ____________cow has no option other than heap of garbage________
    You do not have knowledge of science. Its dung and urine also have many scientific uses. It is most beneficial animal for our environment.
    _________how you treat your mom cow when it’ll give up giving milk._______
    They are selfish person. Such people do not care about their parents also when they get old. But I sale cow dung & urine also.
    __________you have raped your daughter in law __________
    Who was Zainab? Who was Aisha 6 years old girl? Who was Safiya? Were they being raped?

  28. anti-agni says

    @slave,cow has no option other than heap of garbage to eat and if you have any doubt just visit any hindu religious city in north India.

    you are son of niyog raped your daughter in law and subjected to stone to death.

    you always search medicinal benefits in urine…cannot find good things to eat.

    • Slave of Prophet says

      @anti-agni
      ________cow has no option other than heap of garbage to eat _________
      For a miserable there are very less option. Your mother may be depends on garbage to fill her belly if you throws her out of the house at the age 80 or 90.

  29. anti-agni says

    Mr. ramjhetmalani a prominent lawyer, dealing the ramjanambhoomi case from hindus side former law minister has written a book recently and he said, after researching on ram jis life, that ram g was not a good husband and he can’t be an ideal because he tested her wife by agnipariksha just because of allegation of a fishermsn.
    mr. laxman also died to search sita and said thatvi haven’t seen her above knees

      • anti-agni says

        @agnostic, it is the case who understand Ramayana? a lawyer who is one of the top most lawyer, dealing the case of ramjanmbhoomi, member of bjp he is unable to understand and you understand? you refer everything as symbolic that sita’s agnipariksha was symbolic. . i think that ramjhetmalani is very big name and you can rely on his findings.

        if you are right then it means that even your prominent lawyer can’t understand your books then who can?

  30. hinduagnostic says

    he is a lawyer nothing else if he understood the story properly he would know only valmikya ramayana is supposed to be followed maybe he read another version which no hindu reads and most hindu do follow valmikya and other ramayanas are based on it and in the part where he said to have exile rama he didnt he told lakshman to live her at valmiki ashram so that society was happy and so that at the same time the children and sita can live in peace and they can grow up in upright and moral place as for agnipariksha that was to show the society and prove to them sita was pure he told sita that he had no doubts on her pureness he trusted her but the society at that time questioned it

    • anti-agni says

      @agnostic , then how they take agnipariksha? He burned sita in agni? Then why agni not burn. her? Was rama God? Or god incarnate? Valmiki thought him god incarnate then who will. you believe?

      • hinduagnostic says

        that exactly it my muslim fantic friend she didnt get burned because she was pure and hindus believe was rama was god in human form just like krishna was

      • Vinay Arya says

        Ramayan has been destroyed.It consists of lakhs of Shlokas.But the pure Valmiki Ramayan is very less.The concept of sita burning is falsely added during Mughal period.Ramayan and Mahabharat are not the basis of the true Hinduism(Vedic Arya Dharm) but Vedas are their basis.Vedas are still alive with their pure light.If you can show click http://aryasamajjamnagar.org and show us where is mistake.
        Stop befooling the gullible Hindus.

      • Slave of Prophet says

        @anti-agni
        _______then how they take agnipariksha?________
        In ancient time miracle used to happen. It was also a miracle sita did not burn in agni (fire). As Muslim we should believe in miracles.

  31. Vinay Arya says

    We do not hear any Muslim freedom fighter like Bhagat SIngh,Ram Prasad Bismil,Chandra Shekhar Azad,Lala Lajapat Rai etc.But most of the freedom fighters were Hindus(Aryas)Sikhs,Buddhists and Jains.Muslims are India haters.All of the bomb blasters in India are Muslims.Their country Pakistan,Afganistan is full of violence,hatred and blood.Don’t be Muslim but become a good human being.

    • anti-agni says

      @vinay, You said that you have not heard muslim freedom fighters names? It is your fault and bad luck of Indian muslims that you nowhere muslim freedom fighters were taught or praised. You can simply understand that at that time muslims were ruling the country why should they not revolt or struggle against britishers? Obviously muslims were first to resist against east india company. Sher Tipu sultan was first to give al round counter to east india company and Marathas always fought against tipu with britishers. Muslim never read English and so why they lost their jobs and you can see the result today muslims are backward and labor class. Maulana abulkalam azad, maulana jauhar, maulana gauhar, ashfaqullah khan, mirza beig, meer katan etc etc are so many names you can search.

      • hinduagnostic says

        muslims never ruled whole india they only ruled south central india and parts of north india mainly and whole of todays afghanistan and pakistan and yes i have great respect for ashfaqulllah khan,maulana abulkalam azad from your list and tipu sultan made alliance with the french just so that he could have a chance of ruling indian subcontient and the first person to actually fight for indias freedom was mangal pandey and most muslims in indian subcontient are labour class and backward because most of them were poor low caste hindus the only time in history that muslims and hindus actually got into real alliance was against british but then again fighting started when indian subcintient was divided thanks to gandhi

      • Aslam Bhai says

        @Anti-Agni
        Brother, keep on debating with these Hindus. One day we will get success & these Hindu will understand. I am also getting a lot of knowledge from your precious comments.

    • Sanatan Dharma says

      @Vinay Arya/Anti Agni
      “In so far as the charge is correct, the Musalmans take less interest (in freedom movement) because they do not yet regard India as their home of which they must feel proud. Many (Muslims) regard themselves, quite wrongly I think, as belonging to a race of conquerors”. [Young India, April 2, 1925, as qyuoted in ‘The Biography of Gandhiji’, by Dhananjay Keer, published by Popular Prakashani, 35C, Vardeo Road, Mumbai 400034, First Edition, 1973].

  32. Vinay Arya says

    Those persons couldn’t do anything.Can you tell us what did they do?The number of so-caled muslim fighters is very less in comparison to lakhs of Aryas.

  33. riyasat ahmad khan says

    aap aagni veer ke logo ko thanks
    aap k is lekh ko mene grantho me jakar check to nahi kiya par isse insano me jo uchi jati aur neechi jat ka bhed he use khatam karne me madad milegi
    islam mebhi har insan barabar he
    mujhe khusi hui ye jankar ki aap bhi eesa hi mante he.

  34. Yogesh Ukey says

    Some Manu Verses…
    1. For the welfare of humanity the supreme creator Brahma, gave birth to the Brahmins from his mouth, the Kshatriyas from his shoulders, the Vaishyas from his thighs and Shudras from his feet. (Manu’s code I-31,)
    2. God said the duty of a Shudra is to serve the upper varnas faithfully with devotion and without grumbling. (Manu 1-91) Manu is not satisfied with this. He wants this servile status of the Shudras to be expressed in the names and surnames of persons belonging to that community. Manu says:
    3. Let the first part of a Brahman’s name denote something auspicious, a Kshatriya’s be connected with power, and a Vaishyas with wealth but a Shudra’s express something contemptible. (Manu II.31)
    4. The second part of a Brahmin’s name shall be a word implying happiness, of a Kshatriya’s (a word) implying protection, of a Vaishya’s a term expressive of thriving and of a Shudra’s an expression denoting service. (Manu II. 32.)
    5. A hundred year old Kshatriya must treat a ten year old Brahmin boy as his father. (Manu 11-135)
    6. The Brahmin should never invite persons of other varnas for food. In case, the latter begs the Brahmin for food, the Brahmin may give them some left-over. Even these left-over must be served not by the Brahmin but by his servants outside the house. (Manu II2).
    7. He who instructs Shudra pupils and he whose teacher is a Shudra shall become disqualified for being invited to a shradha. (Manu III. 156.)
    8. A Shudra is unfit of receive education. The upper varnas should not impart education or give advice to a Shudra.It is not necessary that the Shudra should know the laws and codes and hence need not be taught. Violators will go to as amrita hell. (Manu IV-78 to 81)
    9. “Let him not dwell in a country where the rulers are Shudras.” (Manu IV. 61)
    10. He must never read the Vedas in the presence of the Shudras. (Manu IV. 99.)
    11. Any country, where there are no Brahmins, of where they are not happy will get devastated and destroyed. (Manu VIII-20 to 22)
    12. A Brahmana who is only a Brahman by decent i.e., one who has neither studied nor performed any other act required by the Vedas may, at the king’s pleasure, interpret the law to him i.e., act as the judge, but never a Shudra (however learned he may be). (Manu VIII.20.)
    13. The Kingdom of that monarch, who looks on while a Shudra settles the law, will sink low like a cow in the morass. (Manu VIII. 21.)
    14. Any Brahmin, who enslaves or tries to enslave a Brahmin, is liable for a penalty of no less than 600 PANAS. A Brahmin can order a Shudra to serve him without any remuneration because the Shudra is created by Brahma to serve the Brahmins. Even if a Brahmin frees a Shudra from slavery the Shudra continue to be a slave as he is created for slavery. Nobody has the right to free him. (Manu VIII-50,56 and 59)
    15. A Shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invectives shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin. (Manu VIII. 270.)
    16. If he mentions the names and castes of the (twice born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red hot into his mouth. (Manu VIII. 271.)
    17. If a Shudra arrogantly presumes to preach religion to Brahmins, the king shall have poured burning oil in his mouth and ears. Manu VIII. 272.)
    18. A Shudra who has an intercourse with a woman of the higher caste guarded or unguarded shall be punished in the following manner; if she was unguarded, he loses the offending part; if she was guarded then he should be put to death and his property confiscated.” (Manu VIII. 374.)
    19. A Brahman may compel a Shudra, whether bought or unbought, to do servile work for he is created by the creator to be the slave of a Brahmana. (Manu VIII. 413.)
    20. No Shudra should have property of his own, He should have nothing of his own. The existence of a wealthy Shudra is bad for the Brahmins. A Brahman may take possession of the goods of a Shudra. (ManuVIII-417 & X129)
    21. A Brahman may seize without hesitation, if he be in distress for his subsistence, the goods of his Shudra. The Shudra can have only one occupation. This is one of the inexorable laws of Manu. says Manu. (Manu VIII. 417)
    22. A Shudra who wants to just fill his stomach may serve a Vaishya. If he wants a permanent means of living he can serve a Kshatriya. But if he wants to go to heaven or wants higher or superior birth in the next generation he must serve a Brahmin. (ManuIX334 & 335)
    23. The most sacred duty of a Shudra is to serve the Brahmins, always, reciting the words “Brahman” with utmost devotion. Such a Shudra will get salvation. Otherwise he will die a worst death and will go to the worst hell. (Manu X-121)
    24. But let a (Shudra) serve Brahmans, either for the sake of heaven, or with a view to both (this life and the next) for he who is called the servant of a Brahman thereby gains all his ends. (Manu X. 122.)
    25. The service of Brahmans alone is declared (to be) an excellent occupation for a Shudra for whatever else besides this he may perform will bear him no fruit. (Manu X. 123.)
    26. They must allot to him out of their own family (property) a suitable maintenance, after considering his ability, his industry, and the number of those whom he is bound to support. (Manu X. 124.)

  35. pawan vilegaonkar says

    it is really very goos work. manu is our aadya leader. i think manu is only to tell truth for social welfare.
    manusmruti should be the national book.

  36. dalit ekta says

    Gyan-Vigyan

    DALIT SMARKO KA HI VIRODH KYO…….?

    1). kyo ki manuvadi jaante hein aaj bhi dalito ki adhikansh aabaadi hindu devi-devtao ke mandiro me jaakar naak ragadti hai.

    2). kyo ki manuvadi jaante hein dalito me aaj bhi saamajik ekta ki kami hai.

    3). kyo ki manuvadi jaante hein dalito me aaj bhi adhiktar log samaaj ke prati jaagrit nahi hein.

    4). Kyu ki manuvadi jaante hein dalito me aakramakta ka abhaav hai.

    5). Kyo ki manuvadi jaante hein dalit samaaj aapas me hi kayi dalo me bataa hua hai.

    6). Kyo ki manuvadi jaante hein dalito ke saamajik sanghthan jo thode bahot hai bhi oonme bhi aapsi bhed bhav hai.

    7). Kyu ki manuvadi jaante hein dalito me dharmik aur saamajik kattarta ka abhaav hai.

    8). Kyo ki manuvadi jaante hein dalit netao ki murtiya todne se sirf kuchh samay ke liye shor sharaba hoga. Kahi koi aag nahi lagti aur na hi koi danga hota hai.

    9). Kyo ki manuvadi jaante hein………………

    aise bahot se kyo ki hai. Sab ginaana sambhav nahi.
    Manuvaadi oon mushlimo ka virodh kyo nahi karte kabhi………? jiska aatankvad puri duniya me mashhur hai.
    Manuvadi chritions ka virodh kyo nahi karte kabhi………..? Jisme andruni vyabhichar ko har koi jaanta hai.
    Kyo ki manuvadi darte hein inki aakramaktao se. Kyo ki manuvadi jaante hein mushlimo ke viruddh ek awaaz bhi uthai to desh me danga ho jayega.
    Is liye sirf dalito ke hi dushman hein ye log. Jab tak dalit samaaj apne aap ko aakramak aur pratikaatmak nahi banayega kamzor hi samjha jayega. Dalit logo Ko chaahiye ki desh me kahi bhi rahe kuchh bhi kare lekin samaaj aur dharm ke naam par ek rahe wo bhi bina kisi shart ke.
    Ek bano sangthit bano dalito ke liye yahi uchit hai vartmaan me aur bhavishya me bhi

  37. dalit ekta says

    विजिगीषुणाम”( अर्थात रघुवंश के राजा यश प्राप्त करने के लिए आसपडोस के राजाओं को जीतते थे ) , इसका परिणाम ये हुआ की भारत के राजा लोग आपस में लड़ने मरने लगे , उन्हें विदेशी आक्रमणकारियों की तरफ ध्यान ही नहीं दिया और आपसी फूट होने के कारण आसानी से हारते रहे ।
    कई बार तो अपने पड़ोस के राजा को हराने के लिए ये लोग स्वयं ही विदेशियों को बुलाते थे , जैसे की राणा सांगा ने बाबर को बुलाया था।-
    लेख: अमरनाथ मधुर

  38. dalit ekta says

    दोस्तो मैंने जो भी पोस्ट किया है उसके लिए मैं माफी माँगता हूँ हमे धर्मो से ज़्यादा आम आदमी के लिए सोचना चाहिए जो बेचारे ग़रीब और अनपड़ है बेरोज़गार है उनके लिए सोचना चाहिए. आप लोग भी इनसे बचे और अपने करियर मे ध्यान दे. मानव 2 सब समान है.
    मुझे कोई भी कॉमेंट नही करना चाहिए बहतेर है हम भारत देश के लिए सोचे.

  39. dalit ekta says

    मैं आप सबसे और ख़ासकर अग्निवीर जी और सभी धर्मो के मानने वालो से माफी माँगता हूँ की मुझे कोई भी कॉमेंट नही करना चाहिए! अग्निवीर जी आप मेरे कॉमेंट को जररूर डेलेट कर दीजिएगा. मेरे से डेलीट नही हुवा एसलिए आप कर दीजिए.
    सब मानव2 समान है! इंसान सबसे महत्वपूर्ण है इसलिए धर्म आदि बने है. मानव मानव एक समान.

    दोस्तो मैंने जो भी पोस्ट किया है उसके लिए मैं माफी माँगता हूँ हमे धर्मो से ज़्यादा आम आदमी के लिए सोचना चाहिए जो बेचारे ग़रीब और अनपड़ है बेरोज़गार है उनके लिए सोचना चाहिए. आप लोग भी इनसे बचे और अपने करियर मे ध्यान दे. मानव 2 सब समान है.
    मुझे कोई भी कॉमेंट नही करना चाहिए बहतेर है हम भारत देश के लिए सोचे.

  40. says

    वेदों का ज्ञान महान हैं ।
    सभी मनुष्य जन्म लेते ही शूद्र (अशिक्षित)
    होते हैं । जब मानव-मानव से प्रेम होता हैं
    उपनयनन संस्कार होते हैं, वेदपाठी बनते हैं, तो असली ब्रह्मणत्व को प्राप्त होते हैं ।

    वेदों की ओर लौटो!!
    जयति जय जय आर्यावर्ते
    ओ३म्!!

  41. हिमांक बर्वे says

    बहुत ही बढ़िया काम किया है अपने “अग्नी वीर”…

  42. Anil Dadwal says

    Mr. Aap ke diye huye expmple dekhe.. Kya ap logo ko foolish ya bekuf samjhte ho ? Ravan ko ap rakshash bol rhe ho.. Kya mai jaan sketa hu ram ne Shambukh Rishi ko kyu mara ?

    • Madhu says

      We call people like Ravan as Asur and Rakshas because they kept slaves or Harem or both.
      Coming to Shambukh nothing like what you mentioned has happened.

  43. Ajay kumar says

    Mahusmriti ke manne walo dosto kya aap mere ek sawal ka jab denge.Aap kahte hai ki india me caste janma ke adhar par na hokar karma ke aadhar par hota hai .Aur agar aap ko lagta hai ki bad me kuch logo ke dwara is me pariwartan kar ke caste karma ke aadhar par na hokar janma ke aadhar par ho gaya .Kya aap bata sakte hai ki ye pariwartan kisne kiya aur kaise kiya .

    • Madhu says

      This is my take,though I may be wrong.
      For example a Brahmin teaches whatever he/she learned to their family and this family teaches to its family and so on.At some point it became being born in Brahmins’ family one will become a brahmin as it was defacto understood that born in brahmin family makes one to be knowledgeable in scriptures. The case is same with Shudras,Vyshyas and Kshatriyas.

  44. Ajay kumar says

    Aap caste ke factor ko chhod deejiye.hindu dharma ke manne wale hindu dharma ko kis astar par sahi mante hai chahe wo scientifically .socially .cosmologically .evidence any . is dharam me afwaho ki koi seema nahi hai .jitna bol do utna ho gaya .likne wale ke pass thoda sa bhi IQ nahi tha .jo ye nahi soch paya ki wah bilkul hi galat hai .Example —— sagar ke 60000 putra the.Bhawano ka janwar ban jana phir bhagwan ban jana . Geeta, ramayan .mahabharat .manusmriti jaisi hazaho fake kitabo ka likha jana .Jisme afwaho ka bhandar hai .Koi bhagwan hindu dharam ka sahi nahi paida kar waya gaya sab ke sab apne aap hi paida ho gaye .

    millions of fake things are fulled in hindu religion .

    • Madhu says

      Arey bhai aap is website ke articles ko pehle tho pado.Phir apna raay dhey.
      Hindu dharma athwa Sanatana Dharma me aap ko poori swantantratha hai ki aap apni mann chahey Ramayan,Mahabharat,Gita,etc ki rachana kar sakthe hai.
      Kya aap apni Bible,Quran aadi likh sakthe hai? Nahi naa.
      Sanatana Dharma is “Suggestive” you can discard what you don’t believe or like.Therefore criticism is always welcome.

      • Ajay kumar says

        Madhu ji aap ne mere sawal ka jab nahi diya .Maine article ke topic ko padha hai uske bad hi jawab diya hai .Aap mujhe padhna sikha rahi hai .waise bhi aap Hindu dharma aur sanatan dharm ko ek bata rahi ho athwa laga kar .jo bilkul hi galat hai .

        Waise aap se ek personally question janna chahta hu .sorry for that mera intention caste ko support karna nahi hai .
        Aap warn vywastha ke hisab se kis warn se belong karti hai?

        Aur desh me vyapt halat ko dekh kar lagta hai ki Hindu dharam ne logo ko kis tarah bolne ki aajadi .choose karne ki aajadi di hai .

        • Madhu says

          Ajay ji mujhe poori swantatrata hai ki my Hindu dharma aur Sanatana Dharma ko ek hi maan kar chaloo ya dho alag alag maarg samajh kar chaloo.
          Mera vichaar mei Varna vyavastha apni jeevan jheechuka hey.Ab uski aavashyaktha nahi hey.

          My aapko 4 varna ek he vyakthi mei dikha saktha hoon.Ye 4 guna aap mei be hey aur merey mei bhi hey.

    • raj.hyd says

      manniy sri ajay ji, apki shikayat jayaj hai ab iska sudhar arambh kar dijiye ! kya aap iski shuruat karna chahwnge?

  45. Ajay kumar says

    Raj ji chaliye aap mujhe sudhariye . Mai bhi dekhna chahta hu ki aap ko hindu dharam ne kitna sudhara hai aap ko .

    • raj.hyd says

      manniy shri ajay ji , “dusre ke saath vahi vyavhar kijiyebjo apne liye bhi pasand aye” yahi ek matr sutr hai manvta ka aur dharmikta ka bhi ! jo chijapko galat lagti ho uska acharan mat kijiye vahi acharan kijiye jo sabka bhala kare aur saath me apka bhi bhala kare 1

  46. Ajay kumar says

    madhu ji aap question ka jawab nahi de rahi hai .kyu?Ya to aap dar rahi ho .ya phir knowledge nahi hai .

    Aap ke hisab se varna vyastha apni life ji chuka aur ab aap manti hai ki yah galat hai ya nahi manna chahiye .whatever.

    Phir aap bhool jati hai ki agar aap hindu dharam ke manne wale hai to aap par ban hai ki aap hindu dharam ke kisi bhi ek line ko bhi galat manne ki ijajat nahi hai .aap ko har ek line ko manna padega .Aisa mai nahi geeta ke parwaakta ne kaha hai .

    Geeeta –chapter no.18 slok no.-45 ————-
    “Hey Arjun ! Apne -2 karm me lage rahne se sidhi milti hai.Jis prakar karm me lage rahne se hi sidhi ki prapti hoti hai -wah sune”

    Geeta chap-18 slok no-48
    “Hey kunti putra ‘sadosh ‘ho tab bhi apne swabhawik karma(jo bap -dada se chala aa raha ho )ko nahi chhodna chahiye .kyuki sabhi karm me kuch na kuch dosh usi prakar hota hai jaise agni me dhua”

    To phir ya to aap ye line galat maniye aur warn vyastha ko badhawa de .aur agar nahi mante hai to apne aap ko hindu mat kahiye .

    Aur ha jis tarah se krishna manu ne desh ko barbad kiya usi tarah aap bhi warna vyastha ko badhawa deejiye aur desh ko batiye ya phir desh ko chaupat kijiye .

    u have right to choose to u r wish .
    Right to freedom .

    • Madhu says

      Aap mera uttar dhyaan se ek aur bar pade.
      Maine kaha tha uski aavahyaktha nahi hey. Woh apna karya kar chooka hai.Isiliye maine kaha tha wah 4 guna hum sabhi me dikha saktha hoon. Aur aap name calling par na jaye tho uttam hoga.

      My Ved ko pramaan maanta hoon. Ved ko maane ya namaanne ki sabhi ko suvidha dhi gayi hai.Ramayan, Mahabharat,Gita ya atyadhi Ved ke vipareet hai to my unhe nahi maanta par agar wah Ved ke anukool hai tho manta hoon.Aur mujhe pratyek shlok ya mantra manne ki avashyaktha nahin.

      Maine pehle hi kaha tha Hindu Dharma aur (ya athwa) Sanatana Dharma “Suggestive” hain.Yeh aap ar thopa nahin gaya hai.Aap ise sweekar ya asweekar kar sakthe hai.Kisi ke oopar koi paabandhi nahi hai.

      Vaise mujhe poori swantantrata hai ki main Krishna ya Ramji ke maarg par chaloo ya na chaloo.
      Krishna aur Ramji ko Bhagwan nahin maanta hoon. Ve dono purushottam hai.

      Aur dhyaan me rakhe maine Hindu “dharma” kaha tha “Religion” word ka upayog nahin kiya tha.

    • Madhu says

      Aur ek baat kehna chaahta hoon.In the last 1000 years our scriptures were deliberately distorted. Let me give you one example. In 1815 a British officer(or employee) named William Ward called Shiva Linga as symbol of Phallus without quoting any sources.And it stuck from then on.Even now more than 95% of Hindus and(or) Sanatana Dharmis believe Shiva Linga as symbol of Phallus. Shiva Linga is Pineal Gland which resides in the middle of the brain.And Scientific community calls it as Third Eye(I don’t know why they call it). And we all know Shiva has Third Eye.
      Same is the story with Sati daha. It happened in Islamic period.If you see any scriptures that say about sati daha then definitely it was written during this period only including madri.

      During the British rule they started divising us(Sanatana Dharmis) into Hindu,Sikh,Jain,Buddhist,Brahman,Dalit,etc. And see it worked.Now too we are fighting of this divisiveness.

  47. Ajay kumar says

    ok sorry for name calling .pahli bat ved ko manne ya na manne ki subidha nahi di gayi hai .Aur ha agar aap apne aap ko hindu kahte hai too aap ko majbooran manna padega.
    Aur agar aap ko lagta hai ki ved geeta mahabharat alag hai to aap ko knowledge nahi hai .sab hi is dharm ke ang hai .jitni afwahe ved me hai utna hi in me hai .Aur ha aap kahte hai ki krishna to purushottam the bhagwan nahi the par geeta me 378 bar krishna ne apne aap ko bhagwan kah kar pukarte hai .unke par divya sakti thi ki wo mahabharat ka yudh second me khatm kar dete .to ye cheez to koi bhagwan hi kar sakta hai matlab wah bhagwan the .phir aap kaise nahi man rahe ho .

    • Madhu says

      Ved ko manne ya na manne ki suvidha di gayi hai.Aur nahin dhi gayi(aap ke anusar) tho common sense banta hai ki apna swantantrata ka upayog kare.
      Agar aap Ved, Gita aur Mahabharat ko ek he maante hai tho aap apni knowledge badaye mujhe gyaan dene ki aavashyaktha nahi.
      My yeh manne walon me se hoon ki Gita Krishnaji ke samay me hi nahin unke jane ke paschyat kaal mei bhi rachna ki gayi thi. Isiliye aap Krishnaji apne aap ko Bhagwan kehthe hua Shlok ya Mantra Gita mei paathe hai.
      Agar wah Bhagwan the tho Mahabharat yudh hua he nahin hota.
      Paranthu Gita ek athbudh rachna hai.
      My Krishnaji ko ek great learned person,diplomat,warrior,strategist aur musician maanta hoon.

  48. Ajay kumar says

    aur ha ek bat aur angrezo ne hame nahi bata .hum pahle se bate the hindu dharam ke karan .itihas gawah hai .jaha tak bat pineal gland ki hai to aap ke shiva linga(jo nirjeew hai )aur aur pineal gland se koi connection nahi hai .Aur gar aap shiva ke ling ki puja karte hai means sajeev to koi aankh ling ke pas nahi hoti.therefore theory is wrong . aur ha scientist sab hindu ke subh chintak rahe honge jo unho ne ya kaha ki ye teesari aankh hai . aur agar aap mante ho ki aisa hai to sirf shiva ke pas nahi pure world me sab male ke pas linga hai aur wah pineal gland se bhi attach hai .means sab log ke pass teen aankh hai .Aur koi insan nahi dekha hoga ki jiske pass teen aankh ho . means theory is wrong .

    aur waise ya bahut purana paitara hoo chuka ki jab kabhi bhi hindu dharam ko koi galat kahta hai tab koi na koi paitara aajma kar sahi batane lagte hai .

    • Madhu says

      My bhi thi wahi kehraha hoon sabhi ke paas yeh teesri aankh hai.Pineal gland sabhi mei hain. Aap apne dono aankho khe madhya aur brain ke madhya mei Pineal Gland paaya jaata hai. Teesri aankh e metaphor hai naki dono aankhon ki tarah.

  49. Ajay kumar says

    Aur waise bhi agar Brahma ji hai to unko is sansar ki kamiya nazar nahi aati hai ki awtar le kar isko sahi kare sirf updesh dete hai ki
    geete chp-18 slok no-66
    “ki hey jagatwasi sare sansar ko chhod kar mere saran me aao mai tumhe sbhi papo se mukt kar dunga .tumhe kahi jane ki jaroorat nahi hai ”

    ya phir

    Geeta chap-8 slok no-10
    “ki hey putro tumhe kuch karne ki jaroorat nahi hai .tumhari sari ichhaye yagya karne se puri ho jayengi ”

    phir aap ne padhai kyu ki aap ko yagya karna tha .

    • Madhu says

      Ajay ji Brahmaji ek naam hai shrushtikartha ka.Aap ko swantantrata hai unhe kisi bhi naam se sambodit karne ka. Unka kaarya tha shrushti banana jo unhone kiya.Shrushti ko sahi tarah chalana tho hamara(manav) kaarya hai.
      Aap har shlok ya mantra ko gambhirtha se lenge unmei he ulje rahenge. Jo shlok ya mantra aap ko sahi lage unko le aur na lage unko thyag dhe.

  50. bhushan shirsath says

    manusmriti is my foot……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

  51. jalwan says

    none is high or low, all r equal. if any one says no that means he tells lies n whosoever tells lies HE IS NOT ASAL. the articale says there is noing like surname so statement of name ambedkar given by brahman teaher does not convince the goodness of brahman which caste name is stolen from name of brahma. if caste is by birth then it is again wrong as the mother only knows who father n his caste is. as pandavs r called kunti putras. arjun is not asal son of pandav. u can’t be brahman unless u know vedas, also ur mother only knows who is ur father as see in bhagawat puran brahma vishnu shiv asking their moother durga that who is their father n where he lives who(sada shiv) keep hiding himself being her brother as well since both sada shiv n durga were created by god/paramatama/paramabrahma. sada shiv apeard in form of piller once when his sons brahma n visnu were fighting like children each claiming superior/big/father of the other. creat brotherhood by intermarriges as parasar brahman married sudra untouchable woman , as brahman claim kabir born to brahman woman by sudra julaha n as claimed amedkar sudra untouchable was given brahman woman in marrige. if something found wrong in manusmarti can be brunt as it does’t have life, u can’t even think of burning of mr. kori if so ur family have to clear off the debts with interst. better to save the hinduism u follow parasara nambedkar. don’t hate muslim, they r also ur brothers either converted or from hindu woman. in mankind nobody is superior or inferior,all strike together like brothers fo glory n prowess (rig ved 5:60:5). make the world anoble place for entire human race, for everyone is divine child(rig ved 10;13:1). do u think any indivisual promoting caste really care for religion/country which already broken into pieces barma/myamar/banla desh/pakistan/nepal/bhutan/gandhar/afganistan nconvertions to budhism/jainism/ islam/sikhism cristinity n so on . the country /religion already suffered a lot.

  52. Vishwas Gokhale says

    If you are going to compare the text of manuslriti with modern day constitutuions of european countries . It should be compared with the comparable period with each country.
    Itf you consider the manusmriti period it dates back to about 3000 to 5000 yreas. That is much before Ramayana and Mahbharata. period.
    There was no US at that time. There was no industrial revolution in Britain. The constitution of Briton which dates back say 800 to 1000 years was yet to be born.
    Unfortunately we try to compare manusmriti with Modern day civilization is an injustice to the great law book which was written when almost all of the euaropean area was tribal in nature.
    If you compare manusmriti with the existant laws of other countries.it was way beyond all european countries. The civilaization of India cound be compared to china to some extent.
    Vishwas Gokhale

    • jalwan says

      change is nature. any one not agreeing to it shall be wrong. manu was a man if his write up irrespective of time is found unjustified y should not be brunt throught the country as burnt by the greatest indian by baba shaheb. say i gokhale go to uk/ usa/ soudi arab for education /earn lot of money return to my country and judgiing hinduism/manusmarty as unjustified convert to islam get married to brahman,akstriya, vaishya n sudra woman each on their coverting to islam having one son each from 4 wifes named mr. a gokhle, mr. b gokhale, mr. c gokale n mr. d gokhale give them equal share in my property what problem to hinduism/manusmarty n my brothers. if no problem to any one say khap panchayat/brahmanism that means no use of wasting time on brunt manusmarty which damaged the country n its prosperity or else it would had been ahead of usa who have been rightly shown colors in the metter of sc diplomate devayani .

  53. Dhanashree pawar says

    Sir…aaj tak , manusmriti ke bare me sunane me aya tha ki wo jatiwad ka samarthan karti hai..lekin meri ek friend ne bataya tha ki manusmriti me bohotsi aisi bate hai jiska aadhar dharm hai…aap ki is article se bohot jankari prapt hui…dhanyawad….

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