If Agniveer were to list the top two nuisances in India, it would undoubtedly be birth-based caste system and gender discrimination.

Yes, India is plagued by a plethora of challenges today – corruption, fundamentalism, terrorism, conversions, moral degradation, lack of education, health issues, sanitation problems and so many more. But despite all these problems and threats, the top two – by a wide margin – would remain casteism and gender discrimination.

This is because all the rest of the problems can be attributed in one way or the other to these two core disgraces of our otherwise glorious culture. And till these two problems – that remain the primary causes of almost all our miseries of past and present – are eradicated from root, the hope of a glorious future would remain nothing more than hallucinations of an insane.

In other words, a prosperous and powerful society cannot co-exist with casteism and gender-discrimination.

Please note that casteism and gender-discrimination are not specifically Hindu issues. On contrary, they are more of cultural issues. Gender discrimination has been a global phenomenon for ages. And casteism seems like a South Asian nuisance affecting all societies and religions that breed here.

However Hinduism being the oldest culture and fountainhead of all other religions has to accept the blame of polluting the source. Because these two nuisances were tolerated, the society was weakened and deluged with so many different cults and religions leading to further weaknesses. All leading to the present mess and all the messes of past that we know from history.

It is surprising to find even today, many a defenders of these two nuisances from otherwise intellectual and educated backgrounds. The virus of birth-based superiority is so strong that it renders even the most rational insane. Many of these virus-affected patients are considered among scholars and leaders of contemporary Hinduism!

They would innocently point to ancient scriptures that justify these nuisances and then attempt to prove the ‘science’ behind consuming this trash. The most popular scripture that is used as scapegoat is the Manu Smriti – the oldest text on social systems.

Some also attempt to allege casteism in Vedas as well. However we have already debunked these fake claims and established the Vedic view in the series on Vedas and Caste System. Refer Vedas totally reject Caste System

In this series of articles, we shall evaluate the Manu Smriti.

Now, Manu Smriti is among the most controversial texts of Vedic culture. It is not only known as the first codified text on ethics and laws in the world, but also as a text promoting blatant casteism. The entire Dalit movement of modern times is based on foundations of protesting against ‘Manuvaad’.

While Manu is hero for casteists, Dalit leaders typecast Manu as a great villain. Copies of Manu Smriti are burnt en masse to showcase love for backward sections of society by likes of Agnivesh, Mayawati and many more. Films have been made depicting Manu as a horned devil in guise of scholar forcing brutal atrocity on lower caste people to fulfill his perverted fetishes. Manu Smriti has become the favorite pasture for scavengers keen on bashing Hinduism and Vedas. This becomes among the most potent tools for promoting conversion away from Hinduism. And interestingly most of these Manu bashers perhaps never ever gave Manu Smriti a serious reading!

On other side, for sadist forces within Hinduism who want to fool themselves and others on basis of their so-called birth superiority, Manu Smriti is a religious text that gives them the divine authority to deny fair treatment to one section of population merely because they were not born special. They would quote from fake adulterated verses of Manu Smriti that smell of casteism and gender discrimination, conveniently ignoring plethora of shlokas that speak exactly the opposite.

The tussle between these two forces has not only shaped the current cheap politics of Bharat but has been a major factor leading to foreign invasions of last 1000 years. This wretched caste-system was the prime reason why we could not defend our nation against barbaric invaders. This illogical caste-system was the prime reason why India had to be partitioned in 1947. And this disgusting caste-system is the prime reason why despite so much of talent and intellectual treasure, India is still a sluggish meek spineless snail in the race towards prosperity and power.

Thus it becomes utmost necessary to review Manu Smriti and check what it actually stands for.
There are 3 major allegations on Manu Smriti:Three allegations on Manu Smriti

1. Manu founded the caste-system based on birth.

2. Manu legalized harsh punishments for Shudras and special provisions for upper-castes and especially Brahmins.

3. Manu was anti-women and condemned them. He accorded inferior rights to women.

Let us now review these allegations using evidences from Manu Smriti itself.

In this article, we shall review the first allegation – that Manu was founder of birth-based caste system.

We would strongly recommend that the readers review our series on Caste System in Vedas to understand the context and definitions of Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra as per Vedas. Please review the series at http://agniveer.com/post_series/caste-series/

1. Manu Smriti hails from an era when even the concept of birth-based caste system did not exist. Thus Manu Smriti nowhere supports a social system based on birth. Maharshi Manu took inspiration from Vedas (refer Rigveda 10.10.11-12, Yajurveda 31.10-11, Atharvaveda 19.6.5-6) and proposed a social system based on qualities, actions and nature of the individual.
Manu Smriti and Caste System

2. This is called Varna System. Now the very word Varna derived from root word “Vrinja” means “Choice“. A similar usage happens in common used word “Varan” meaning “choosing” or “Var” meaning a husband chosen by the girl. This also shows that in Vedic system the girl had complete rights to choose her husband.

3. The biggest proof of Manu Smriti proposing Varna System and NOT Caste System is that in the first Chapter of Manu Smriti, there is mention of origin of 4 Varnas and no mention of castes or gotras. Had caste or gotra been important, Manu would have mentioned which castes belong to Brahmins, which to Kshatriyas, which to Vaishyas and which to Shudras.

This also means that those who feel proud in calling themselves Brahmins or upper-caste by birth have no evidence to prove so. They can at best prove that a few generations of their forefathers used to also call themselves upper-caste. But there is no way to prove that they were upper-castes since inception of civilization. And when they cannot prove so, what right do they have to allege that a so-called birth-based Shudra was also not a Brahmin several generations ago? And that they themselves were not Shudras a few generation ago!

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4. In fact Manu Smriti 3.109 clearly states that one who eats by glorifying his Gotra or Family is considered an eater of his own vomit. Thus, as per the Manu Smriti that the self-proclaimed birth-based Brahmins or upper-castes believe in, the very act of glorifying their lineage or gotra to demand special privileges makes them deserving of condemnation.

5. Manu Smriti 2.136 states that one earns respect due to wealth, company, age, actions and knowledge in increasing order. There is no mention of family, gotra, caste, lineage and other non-factors to demand or earn respect.

Migration within Varnas

6. Manu Smriti 10.65 asserts that Brahmin can become Shudra and Shudra can become Brahmin. Similarly Kshtariyas and Vaishyas can also change their Varnas.

7. Manu Smriti 9.335: If a Shudra (uneducated) serves the educated ones, is polite, devoid of ego and stays in respectful company of knowledgeable ones, he/ she is considered as having a noble birth and stature.

8. There are several shlokas in Manusmriti that state that a person belonging to high Varna falls down to level of a Shudra (uneducated) if he does not conduct noble deeds. For example,

2.104: A person who does not worship the Supreme Lord twice daily should be considered a Shudra.

2.172. He who has not been initiated with teaching of the Vedas is a Sudra.

4.245: A Brahmin acquires brilliance through company of noble persons and avoiding bad company. On contrary, if he indulges in bad company, he becomes a Shudra.

Thus clearly, Brahmin refers to a scholarly person who conducts noble deeds. And Shudra refers to an uneducated person. This has nothing to do with birth in any manner.

2.168: A Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya who puts efforts in other areas except understanding and following the Vedic precepts becomes a Shudra and his future generations also suffer from ignorance of Vedas.

Thus, as per Manu Smriti, almost the entire population of India today, barring few exceptions, is Shudra because we do not abide by the Vedic concepts and are indulged in anti-Vedic activities – corruption, casteism, selfishness, superstitions, irrationality, gender-discrimination, sycophancy, immorality etc.

2.126: Even if he is a Brahmin otherwise, a person who does not politely respond to a greeting is actually a Shudra (uneducated person).

Even Shudras can teach

9. Though Shudra means an uneducated person, a Shudra can also become a teacher for specific knowledge that he has. For example,

2.238: One should acquire knowledge even from a person born in a low family otherwise. Similarly, one should accept a noble woman as wife even if her family is otherwise not up to mark.

2.241. If needed, one may acquire knowledge from one who is not a Brahmin; and that he shall follow and serve such a teacher, as long as the instruction lasts.

Status of Brahmin is acquired by deeds and not by name

10. As per Manu Smriti, one has to earn the qualification of Brahmin. During childhood, parents are supposed to send their children for specialized education of Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya depending on observed nature of children. So many Brahmin parents may desire that their children also become Brahmins. However that is not sufficient. One becomes Brahmin only if he completes the education and not merely by taking birth in a Brahmin family or taking admission in Brahmin course of a gurukul.

2.157: A Brahmin devoid of education is equivalent to an elephant made of wood or a deer made of leather. They are merely namesake and not real.

2.28: The body is made fit to be called Brahmin only through study of scriptures, discipline, noble selfless deeds, study of duties, science and meditation, charity and goal oriented actions.

Education is true birth

11. As per Manu, actual birth happens after completion of education. All human beings are Shudras or uneducated when born. Those who complete their education are supposed to have a new birth. Thus they are called Dwija or Twice Born. Those who were unable to complete the education remain Shudra. This has nothing to do with birth or heredity. This is pure meritocracy.

2.148: When a teacher who is well-versed in Vedas teaches a student the science of Gayatri (that summarizes all principles of Vedas and rational living), then the actual birth of the student takes place. This birth is free from risks of death or destruction and leads the student to immortality.

Thus, forget about being a Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya, one is not considered even a human unless he/she receives education.

2.146: The teacher who provides education is a father who is much greater than the father who gave birth. The knowledge provided by the teacher remains with the soul even after the death and leads him to immortality. But the body provided by father destroys when death comes.

2.147: The birth that happens from womb of mother after parents desire for procreation is an ordinary birth. Real birth happens when the person completes his education.

Thus, citing lineage to showcase casteist superiority is an extremely foolish act as per Manu Smriti. Instead of quoting the clan, one becomes superior by showcasing that he is more educated.

10.4: Brahmin, Kashtriya and Vaishya take second birth after education. Shudra who could not complete education is fourth Varna. There is no fifth Varna among Arya or noble people.

This also means that merely because a person did not complete education does not make him a villain. He is still regarded as a noble person if his deeds are noble.

And if he completes the education, he can become a Dwija as well. Thus Shudra is an adjective and NOT a nomenclature for any castes.

Never insult anyone born in lower family
12. To further ensure that one is not insulted or denied opportunities merely because he/she was born in a family where others did not excel in education, wealth or other parameters of success in society, Maharshi Manu laid the rule very clearly:
4.141: Never deny respect and/or rights to a person who is handicapped, uneducated, aged, not handsome, not wealthy or coming from a lower family. These are NOT the parameters to judge a person.

Examples of Varna migration in ancient history

13. The concept of Varnas – Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra – being merit based and NOT birth based is not merely a theoretical concept. It was practiced in ancient era. The greatest misery befell on us when our misguided ancestors converted this scientific meritocracy into a foolish birth-based system causing all the miseries we face today.

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Here are some examples:

a. Aitareya Rishi was son of a Daasa or criminal but became a Brahmin of highest order and wrote Aitareya Brahman and Aitareyopanishad. Aitareya Brahman is considered critical to understand Rigveda.

b. Ailush Rishi was son of a Daasi, gambler and of low character. However he researched on Rigveda and made several discoveries. Not only was he invited by Rishis but also made an Acharya. (Aitareya Brahman 2.19)

c. Satyakaam Jaabaal was son of a prostitute but became a Brahmin.

d. Prishadh was son of King Daksha but became a Shudra. Further he did Tapasya to achieve salvation after repenting. (Vishnu Puran 4.1.14)

Had Tapasya been banned for Shudra as per the fake story from Uttar Ramayan, how could Prishadh do so?

e. Nabhag, son of King Nedishtha became Vaishya. Many of his sons again became Kshatriya. (Vishnu Puran 4.1.13)

f. Dhrist was son of Nabhag (Vaishya) but became Brahmin and his son became Kshatriya (VP 4.2.2)

g. Further in his generation, some became Brahmin again (VP 9.2.23)

h. As per Bhagvat, Agniveshya became Brahmin though born to a king.

i. Rathotar born in Kshatriya family became a Brahmin as per Vishnu Puran and Bhagvat.

j. Haarit became Brahmin though born to Kshatriya (VP 4.3.5)

k. Shaunak became Brahmin though born in Kshatriya family. (VP 4.8.1). In fact, as per Vayu Puran, Vishnu Puran and Harivansh Puran, sons of Shaunak Rishi belonged to all four Varnas.

Similar examples exist of Gritsamad, Veethavya and Vritsamati.

l. Matanga was son of Chandal but became a Brahmin. (Mahabharat Anushasan Parva Chapter 3)

m. Raavan was born from Pulatsya Rishi but became a Rakshas.

n. Pravriddha was son of Raghu King but became a Rakshas.

o. Trishanku was a king but became a Chandal.

p. Sons of Vishwamitra became Shudra. Vishwamitra himself was a Kshatriya who later became a Brahmin.

q. Vidur was son of a servant but became a Brahmin and minister of Hastinapur empire.

r. Vatsa became a Rishi though born to a Shudra (Aitareya Brahman 2.19)

s. Many verses of adulterated Manu Smriti (10.43-44) state that certain castes were earlier Kshtariya but became Shudra later. These verses are adulterated but prove that concept of Varna migration did exist. The castes mentioned are: Paundrak, Audru, Dravid, Kamboj, Yavan, Shak, Parad, Palhava, Cheen, Kirat, Darad, Khash.

t. Mahabharat Anushasana Parva 35.17-18 adds the following to above list: Mekal, Laat, Kanvashira, Shaundik, Daarva, Chaur, Shabar, Barbar.

u. Several gotras are common across Brahmins, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Dalits implying that all of them hailed from same family but rather got entrapped in the stupid casteism.

Respect for Shudras

14. Manu was a great humanitarian. He knew that not all Shudras miss their education deliberately. He also understood that just because one ignored education in early part of his life does not mean that he should be penalized for that mistake for entire life. Thus he ensured that even Shudras get their due respect in society. Thus he never used any insulting adjective for Shudras. On contrary their are several instances of Manu using respectful adjectives for Shudras.

Being vulnerable due to lack of education, Shudras deserve greater sensitivity in treatment from rest of the society as per Manu. We have seen some examples of these earlier.

Here are some more:

3.112: If a Shudra or Vaishya comes as a guest, the family should feed him with due respect.

3.116: A householder should eat from remaining food only after he has fed the scholars and servants (Shudras) to their satisfaction.

2.137: A very old Shudra deserves more respect than anyone else regardless of their wealth, company, age, actions or knowledge. This special provision is accorded only to Shudra.

Vedas are foundation of Manu Smriti

15. No text apart from Vedas is free from potential for interpolations. To understand why Vedas are immune to tampering, please review http://agniveer.com/why-vedas-cannot-be-changed-hi/

That is why Vedas are accorded such high importance in our culture. Vedas form the foundation of everything else and hence if Vedas are conserved, other texts can be derived by seers in future as well.

16. Thus the benchmark for interpreting any other scriptural text is the Vedas. They are to be interpreted and accepted only to extent they comply with Vedas. This is true for ALL texts including Smritis, Brahmans, Mahabharat, Ramayan, Geeta, Upanishads, Ayurveda, Neeti Shastra, Darshans etc.

17. Manu himself announces in the Manu Smriti that Vedas alone form the foundation of Dharma. Refer 2.8-2.11

(Manu 2.8: A learned man after fully scrutinising all this with the eye of knowledge, should, in accordance with the authority of the Vedas, intent on the performance of his duties.)

Thus, it becomes clear that Manu Smriti has to be interpreted ONLY in lines with Vedas.

Shudras have right to study Vedas and conduct Vedic rituals

18. Vedas very clearly provide right to Shudras (and women) – in fact entire humanity – to study Vedas and conduct Vedic rituals like Yajna. Refer Yajurveda 26.1, Rigveda 10.53.4, Nirukta 3.8 etc. Also refer our series on Vedic Caste System at http://agniveer.com/series/caste-system-3/

Thus Manu Smriti also supports the same Vedic truth. That is why nowhere in the context of Upanayan (education initiation) does Manu forbid Upanayan or sacred thread for Shudras. On contrary, one who refuses to accept Sacred Thread of education is called a Shudra!

19. In lines with Vedas, Manu also orders the ruler to ensure that the salary and perks of Shudras be never reduced in any circumstance. (7.125-126, 8.216)

Summary:

To summarize, the assumption of Manu formulating a birth-based caste system is baseless. On contrary, Manu Smriti is vehemently against any reference to family or birth to judge a person. The Varna system of Manu is a pure meritocracy.

Each human has all the 4 Varnas – Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra. Manu attempted to organize the predominant Varna of each individual in social context in a manner that aids individual and collective uplift.

We shall review the other two allegations on Manu prescribing harsh punishments for Shudras and preferential treatment for Brahmins; and being anti-woman in subsequent articles.

But we would like to conclude this part from what Manu himself said about fraud and wrong practices.

He says in 4.30 that frauds, wrong practices, deceit, perversion and falsehood should not be respected even by words.

Caste system based on birth is one of the most disgusting fraudulent deceitful perverted and false practices to exist among civilized human beings. And thus, as per Manu and as per Vedas, one should work to destroy this criminal practice by all means – harshest words and strongest actions. To show soft corner to birth-based caste system even in words is against Manu.

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Wait Wait Wait Agniveer!

Before you end, I demand you to explain those perverted verses of Manu Smriti that are quoted everywhere to justify birth-based casteism and gender discrimination. I can provide hundreds of such shlokas from Manu Smriti.

Agniveer:

That is the point my friend. How can the same Manu Smriti have both verses defending as well as rejecting birth-based casteism? This means that Manu Smriti demands a closer scrutiny. We shall also do the same in a future article. But in summary:

a. The current Manu Smriti is full of interpolated/ adulterated verses that were added much later for various reasons. Almost 50% of Manu Smriti is actually fake.

b. Interpolation is not a problem with Manu Smriti. Apart from Vedas – that are preserved through a unique Patha and Swara method – all other texts of almost all belief systems are prone to modifications, interpolations and deletions. These include Ramayana, Mahabharat, Bible, Quran. Not to talk of texts like Bhavishya Puran that continued to be modified till printing press arrived!

c. Three editions of Ramayan are available today – Dakshinatya, Pashchamottariya and Gaudiya which are different. Even Geetapress Gorakhpur has indicated many chapters as adulterated (Prakshipta). Most scholars agree that Balkanda and Uttarkanda are grossly adulterated.

Similarly Mahabharat is known to be a grossly interpolated text. Garud Puran Brahmakanda 1.59 states that in Kaliyuga many frauds are posing as Brahmins to remove certain shlokas and add new ones in Mahabharat.

Mahabharat Shantiparva 265.9, 4 itself states that Vedic texts clearly prohibit alcohol, fish and meat. All these have been propagated by frauds who have added such verses in scriptures through deceit.

Original version of Bible does not exist today! We only have translations of translations of some translations of the original Bible which no one has ever seen.

Quran also is claimed to be a modified version of original teachings of Muhammad. Refer http://satyagni.com/3118/miracle-islam/

Thus no wonder Manu Smriti – the oldest text on social systems – is also prone to modifications. More so because Manu Smriti historically had the greatest influence in day to day life of each citizen as well as politics of the nation. After all it was like the constitution for centuries. Thus the incentives for a crooked one to interpolate Manu Smriti were very high.

d. When we review Manu Smriti, we find 4 kinds of interpolations: to bring completeness, for selfish reasons, to exaggerate and to bring defects. Most of these interpolations are blatantly obvious. Dr Surendra Kumar has written a detailed translation of Manu Smriti in Hindi that analyzes each shloka on various parameters to weed out those verses that are obviously interpolated.

 

He has deduced that of the 2685 shlokas of Manu Smriti, at least 1471 shlokas are adulterated. He has classified the adulterations as :

– out of subject

– out of context

– contradictory

– repetition

– difference in usage and style

– blatant contradiction with Vedas

We recommend all keen students of Vedic texts to procure a copy of Manu Smriti by Dr Surendra Kumar (published by Aarsh Sahitya Prachar Trust, Delhi) which would make this point as transparent as air.

e. Dr Surendra Kumar is not the only person to point out adulterations in Manu Smriti. Even many a western indologists like Macdonnell, Keith, Buhler etc have expressed the same.

f. Even BR Ambedkar accepted that ancient scriptures have been adulterated. He has alleged adulterations in Ramayan, Mahabharat, Geeta, Purans and even in Vedas. He cited contradictory verses from Manu Smriti. But he tactfully desisted from calling these verses of Manu Smriti as adulterated.

This myopic act of Ambedkar did make him a hero of Dalit movement. It did stir up an anti-Manu movement and created political careers for many a politicians including Ambedkar himself. But this selective honesty only worsened the caste-based hatred and made Manu – a true hero – a popular villain.

Even so-called Arya Samaji Sanyasis like Agnivesh burnt copies of Manu Smriti and disgraced the great Rishi only to score political brownies. Though he very well knew that Swami Dayanand himself had asserted that Manu Smriti has been interpolated but the unadulterated verses of Manu Smriti form the foundation of his Vedic ideology.

And now people expect such enlightened people to be instrumental in eradicating corruption from the nation by being masterminds of Anna Hazare movement! We seem to never learn from history! But thats a different story.

Conclusion:

Manu Smriti has been subject to significant adulterations. However the adulterated verses are easy to identify and trash. The rest of the Manu Smriti is an excellent text that establishes the foundations of a meritocracy based rational society that values each individual and ensures collective success.

Vedas form the foundation of original Manu Smriti.

The existing movement against Manu Smriti is purely a political game led by those who never reviewed Manu Smriti in first place.

True Manuvaad refers to complete outright rejection of birth-based caste system and heavy punishment for those who justify discrimination on basis of birth. It also refers to refusal of word ‘Dalit’ or ‘crushed one’ for certain people who are completely equal to rest of the humanity in all aspects.

Let us all work to install this Manuvaad in our society by working towards a completely casteless and merit-based society. This is the only way to save humanity and the nation.

Let us follow the true Dharma – that is same for all human beings regardless of caste, birth, gender, geography, religion and other baseless parameters.

Manu Smriti 8.17: Dharma or noble deeds is only one true friend that accompanies one ever after death. All others desert one as soon as death has overtaken.

References: Works of Dr Surendra Kumar, Pt Gangaprasad Updhyaya, and Swami Dayanand Saraswati

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2.238: One should acquire knowledge even from a person born in a low family otherwise. Similarly, one should accept a noble woman as wife even if her family is otherwise not up to mark. NOW, you are saying Sir, that the BIRTH has NO relation to VARNA according to Manu… Read more »
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Shiva
Shiva
10 months 5 days ago
Namaste Agniveer-ji This is a great site and a lovely article on the caste system. Regarding when caste system started, is it fair to say that it was already present at the time of Mahabharata, since we can see the kind of treatment Karna received before Duryodhana made him a… Read more »
sunny sharma
sunny sharma
10 months 28 days ago

the writer has done extensive research. really good.

Ashwini Kumar
Ashwini Kumar
11 months 5 days ago

Your efforts are laudable. Firstly I would reiterate your own statement that a powerful and prosperous society can not co-exist with casteism.

Ravi
Ravi
1 year 5 hours ago
I appreciate agniveer to start conversing about caste and trying to protect Hindu religion. Even though i am not that much inclined to the concept of any religion per say. My suggestion is that the vedas or upanishads or any other old scripts is good as far as how our… Read more »
Krishnarao
Krishnarao
11 months 30 days ago
“moral values created before 3000 years is absurd without proper reforms in the religion forums” – I don’t fully agree with your point here. This is a common mistake people in India make. Just because something is old doesn’t make it obsolete. There are many ideas that are ancient, but… Read more »
Krishnarao
Krishnarao
11 months 30 days ago
Hi Ravi, You have some good points. Reform or adjustment is key. Also we need to understand, not to bundle all religions into on group. Keep in mind, which religion/s are trying world domination and India is just one of the overall strategy of such religions. And even that should… Read more »
omesh jalla
omesh jalla
1 year 6 days ago

S-adar Namaskaar. Sir, Please what is the shambook vadh story in ramayan. It is alleged that Shri Ram killed Shambook becaz He was a Shudra and was trying to acquire knowledge by tapasya. Please tell me the truth.
Warm Rgds

Girish
Girish
1 year 1 month ago
Dude, There’s no real way to establish which verses of any ancient text are “genuine” and which ones have “interpolations”. One can at best try to guess at this by comparing grammar, continuity with other verses, presence of anachronisms, etc. They are at best educated guesses and consensus among scholars… Read more »
Jishnu
Jishnu
1 year 1 month ago
The correct statement is that the whole problem is a result of 1000 years of invasions. The wrong statement, an absolutely wrong statement is that we were “defeated” because of lack of unity resulted by caste system. As KS Lal notes, ALL groups fought shoulder to shoulder against invaders. The… Read more »
Arayan
Arayan
1 year 2 months ago
हहह। ये सही है। जब उन श्लोको की बारी आई तो मनुस्मृति में मिलावट हो गयी। भाई अगर मिलावट है तो क्या जो अगेंस्ट में है वही मिलावट वाली है। और जो फेवर में है वह सुद्ध है। वाह हो सकता है की जितने भी श्लोक है जो आपने बताये… Read more »
S Prabhakaran
S Prabhakaran
1 year 3 months ago
In this article, the main difference said between Varna System and Caste System is one acquiring it by Birth. How this ‘birth’ tag could have been attached ? In the very first chapter of Manusmriti, it is clearly stated that Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras were created by Brahma (creator… Read more »
saroj
saroj
11 months 5 days ago
let me put another issue. brahmana is representing knowledge.thus brahmana comes from brahma’s mouth. ksatriya’s nature is to fight and is strenght,thus he is related to narhma’s hands. vaishya runs the society or keeps it in mothion by economics.thus he comes from thighs and sudr represents the supportive strenghth. the… Read more »
ganesh
ganesh
1 year 4 months ago
You haven’t illuminated the aspect on the status of women in Manusmriti.. http://nirmukta.com/2011/08/27/the-status-of-women-as-depicted-by-manu-in-the-manusmriti/ Kindly go through the site and comment back.. Some examples of the same are as follows 5. “Nraksh vraksh ………..” – 3/9. One should not marry women whose names are similar to constellations, trees, rivers, those from… Read more »
kaleemulla mohamedali
1 year 5 months ago
THERE ARE ONLY 2 RELIGIONS RELIGION OF THE CREATOR The creator stays above the universe never comes on earth. He sends down his holy book to earth. He is The Creator of all, has no parents, no wife nor children. He is supreme power no need to change shapes nor… Read more »
Akanksha
Akanksha
1 year 7 months ago

For sure I would suggest all my friends ( those who belong to OBC SC ST NT classes) to read this amazing article.
Thanks Agniveer for your step towards destruction of unjustified caste-system.
Babasaheb Ambedakar followers should read this article.

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Jagjit
Jagjit
2 years 6 months ago
I am sorry but am pretty disappointed at the way you have quoted things out of context (which you have alleged apologists of other religions of doing) to drive a point. I must admit that I had never read the Manu Smriti before and this article made me go through… Read more »
Krishnarao
Krishnarao
2 years 6 months ago
Jag, “However, when Manu took prevalent practices and codified them with divine sanction of Vedas, he established inequality in Hindu society for perpetuity.” – From what I seen Agniveer wrote, he did make it clear that he doesn’t agree with all the different Manu text. And he also says there… Read more »
manoj
manoj
2 years 8 months ago

Justice giving article for great seer Manu and his excellent work Manusmriti

Mahesh Gokarna
Mahesh Gokarna
1 year 9 months ago
Janmana jayate shudrah(One is a Shudra by birth) Samskarad dvija ucyate(By observing Sanskara one becomes a Dvija) Vedapathi bhaved viprah(By studying the Vedas one becomes a Vipra) Brahma janati brahmanah(One who knows Brahman is a Brahmana) These verses are from Athreya Smrithi(141-142 Fifth Mandala (Book 5) of the Rig Veda).… Read more »
Vignesh V
Vignesh V
3 years 1 month ago

“Never insult anyone born in lower family” !!! Just curious what does “born in lower family” mean???!! The statement contradicts this article; i believe

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 1 month ago

“Never insult anyone born in a poor family” does that make your curious what does “born in a poor family” mean?!!!
well these is one difference , Knowledge and wealth.

dipti shrivastava
dipti shrivastava
3 years 2 months ago

Agniveer Sir,

Please let me know when and where Swami Agnivesh burnt Manusmriti. If this is incorrect then please dont misguide people against any respectful person. this is illegal.

raj.hyd
raj.hyd
3 years 2 months ago

swami agnivesh ji ne kis sthan me v kab msnusmriti jalai hai uska ham sabut chahenge jisse unse us vishsy par baat ho sake !

Rakesh
Rakesh
3 years 4 months ago

wonderful work ,great work, this is an eye opening version ,pls share if more versions are available for diff religious books

Annihilate The Caste
3 years 5 months ago
oops, so you say that all the Manusmritis available is fake one, even the contents published through the sites which promote hinduISM, and the one you’ve alone the true and authentic one got straight from Manu himself, great, there we agree, you’re a true follower of Manu as he himself… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago
Don’t act chilidish. Not all Manusmriti is fake. A large number of verses are. And this is a well researched conclusion. If a site promotes Hinduism, that does not make it final authority on fact and fiction. Kindly review the Manu Smriti published by us and then make a factual… Read more »
Annihilate The Caste
3 years 5 months ago
then what about Gita, in which the caste is told in the following verses: Verse 18:41 O Arjuna, the activities of the bhramanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas and sudras are clearly divided according to the qualities born of their own nature. Verse 18:42 The actions of a brahmana arising from his own… Read more »
SAROJ
SAROJ
10 months 24 days ago

the verses say that one;s actions/duties are based on one’s guna(quality) .

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 5 months ago

@Annihilate the caste: what is the problem with these verses? in your own way of putting them, is the answer :
qualities born of their own nature, it does not say “birth”? cant you see that?

Annihilate The Caste
3 years 5 months ago

Dear Ankur, its “qualities born of their ‘own nature'” not by “learned” or “made”! You can’t judge a guy by birth, lot many factors are there to make a man.

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 5 months ago
@Annihilate the caste : now Samskrit word under contention is “SwaBhav” which has been transliterated as “own nature” . when you do a thing over and over (training) again it becomes your natural state or swabhav , so in essence one who has to understand the true sense/meaning of bhagvat… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago
1. Gita is not divine as Vedas. 2. The varnas mentioned in Geeta are not related to birth, but to one’s basic nature. A Brhamin can take birth in home of Shudra and Shudra can take birth in home of Brahmin. If you have self-control, austerity etc, you are Brahmin.… Read more »
Annihilate The Caste
3 years 5 months ago

Thanks for the reply, and we’d be grateful if the thing is as said by you. But the society has taken from there the so-called-sacred books.

Ankur
Ankur
3 years 5 months ago

A corrupt person does not fit in any varna.

Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago
It is society’s blunder that they took meaning wrongly. If one misinterprets the book of science properly then you cannot blame Newton or Einstein for it. Vedas and Geeta very clearly state that Varna are not determined by caste. They say that one’s qualities and profession determine one’s Varna. The… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago
How do you know the ‘full Manusmriti’ is not fake? What if I add stupid sentences in your name in this comment and say that you have said all that stupid things? Let us be sensible. As we have stated, the original manu Smriti is devoid of any casteism. On… Read more »
Annihilate The Caste
3 years 5 months ago
Dear Agniveer, If a guy reads the Manusmriti as full, he can understand the subject in a better manner than skimming I believe. And its not society that caused, its been clearly said there. you can check out the verses. in the verse 2:7 he says that whatever given in… Read more »
Annihilate The Caste
3 years 5 months ago
would like to conclude with one thing, somewhere you’ve posted that the fault also falls on the so-called-shudras because, they’ve allowed the atrocities against them. But you’ve to understand one thing, no one will accept the slavery imposed upon them. The peoples right to get educated, choose a better profession(though… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago
Dear Brother, What we mean is that if their is injustice, we must rise. We won’t comment on Rajaji or anybody else. We will also not comment on specific incidences because that does not solve the key issues. What we strongly announce is that Agniveer stands for completely merit-based society.… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago

Please read our articles. Varna is a choice. It is a property. All of us are Brahmins when we seek knowledge, Kshatriya when we seek strength, vaishya, when we seek prosperity, Shudra when we do manual labor and Dasyus when we indulge in corruption.

Ashish B
Ashish B
3 years 5 months ago
@Agniveer/Ankur “They say that one’s qualities and profession determine one’s Varna.” I have a question, what would you call a person who is doing job of a vedic priest but indulge in corrupt practices? As a profession he pass as a Brahmin acc. to varna system but how about his… Read more »
suriya kumar p
3 years 5 months ago
The posts main intention is just to promote manu as a superhuman or so. But the manuscript is just another book which has got hell out of contradictions by its own content when we read it throughly. First of all the author of this post says that manu did say… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago
If you comment without reading, you are making blunder. Your goal seems to be to incriminate Manu than fight castesim. Our goal is to destroy roots of casteism. Our study proves that Manu was more against caste system than even the anti-casteist and Ambedkarite forces. If Manu was alive, he… Read more »
suriya kumar p
3 years 5 months ago
10:65 If (a female of the caste), sprung from a Brahmana and a Sudra female, bear (children) to one of the highest caste, the inferior (tribe) attains the highest caste within the seventh generation. It says clearly that by birth one comes under the varnas, and the fourth varna is… Read more »
Jay Arya
Jay Arya
3 years 5 months ago

manusmriti has been corrupted by evil brahmins and british who tried to attack hinduism

Annihilate The Caste
3 years 5 months ago

a ‘divine book’ should not get corrupted, otherwise it should be accepted just another book written by some human being, be it Manusmriti, Gita, or even the Vedas.

Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago

Who says that Manu Smriti is a divine book? Its a human book and prone to adulterations.

Aman Singh
Aman Singh
3 years 5 months ago
That is a fake verse. Please read Manusmriti distributed by Agniveer at http://agnikart.com which analyses each verse carefully. Almost half the verses of modern Manusmriti made popular are totally fake and out of context. And there is nothing objectionable in rest of the Manu Smriti. What is your problem with… Read more »
Annihilate The Caste
3 years 5 months ago
Let me tell you one thing, if you guys are against caste system, you won’t be stand with Manu. The content I’ve quoted above is just to counter your content with a single reference. But if you read the Manu you can see the fourth varna is neglected and they’re… Read more »
suriya kumar p
3 years 5 months ago
hope you’d have read the manu then, why did he leaves the fourth varna on most? Do you deny that, the manu didn’t say that what i’ve posted here, a sudhra can be a bhramin means he doesn’t say “at the same birth”, he says the offspring of the 7th… Read more »
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anti-agni
anti-agni
3 years 8 months ago

Charter drafted by Islamist supporters of President Mohamed Morsi wins 63.8 percent of votes in two-round referendum. ALLAHUAKBAR

Arun
Arun
3 years 8 months ago
Through voter suppression and intimidation. It has already been reported in the news. Sad to see Egypt descend so after the revolution. Terrible times ahead for every one in Egypt who is not a Salafist/Islamist – women Copts, liberals, other Muslims. Watch now Egypt turn into the Sunni version of… Read more »
anti-agni
anti-agni
3 years 8 months ago
You are prejudiced, have you seen hosni Mubarak days? you always beat the drum that Islam can’t come through democracy and when Islamist Muslim brotherhood bringing revolution after facing all the torture then you have problem? all the complains by salvation thoroughly checked and investigated by electoral committee and they… Read more »
Arun
Arun
3 years 8 months ago
No I have not pre judged anything. I have watched and observed to see what came out. The Muslim Brotherhood is not interested in real democracy. They are only interested in coming to power using democracy. Let us see if they will ever be outsed without force once elected. The… Read more »
Madhu
Madhu
3 years 8 months ago

Good,pack your bags and settle there.LoL!

Ravvi guru
Ravvi guru
3 years 8 months ago

Tell me app hanuman ko Geaini kehte hai kya boh ek booti ko pehchan nahi paaya ..? Kya Appke devta (Bhagwan) bhi aapas main lad hate hai ..haaa ladte hain …apke Bhagwan (Krishna) jo ladkiyo ke kapde Churate the Aashe hain

Ashish
Ashish
3 years 8 months ago

@Ravvi

—Tell me app hanuman ko Geaini kehte hai kya boh ek booti ko pehchan nahi paaya ..?—
Kya ‘aankho ka doctor’ apki ‘gyanio’ ki shreni mein aata hai? Agar haan, toh kya woh open heart surgery kar sakta hai? 😉

Ravvi guru
Ravvi guru
3 years 8 months ago
Now u trying to escape yourself ….tell me just single things …is there any reality in the events of HINDU DHARM ….what did for humanity of ANY DEVTA…? ? Is any one can travel on RAT LION or pe cock ….kya koi smonder ko manthan ho sakta hai ,kya koi… Read more »
abhijot
3 years 8 months ago
Manu was racist and his followers are also racist..Nowadays sharma is tailor,verma is tilling fields, yadav is ruler,,so-called shudras are ruling many states..I pity you this absurd, foolish ,racist, casteist Manu followers..You deserve the same treatment, you treated your fellow human beings..By the way know A pandit Sharma doing sweeper… Read more »
Arun
Arun
3 years 8 months ago
Schooled by missionaries no less. The notion of race developed with Europe. Indians do not consider each other to be different races. Varna in Sanatana Dharma is not hereditary. If you read anything in Agniveer you’d know of the many articles written here against inherited status. So I pity a… Read more »
Uthama Rao
Uthama Rao
3 years 8 months ago
I completely agree with Maharishi Manu and his smrithi. I believe that there are fundamental things live in every human according to their castes. I mean only kshatriyas are truly qualified to rule land. they can only save the land and the people. brahmins meant to prey the Lord for… Read more »
rammohan
rammohan
3 years 10 months ago
hi indian why such ignorant on manu-smrithi do you think there is no discrimination exist in the modern world …black and white discrimination …gender discrimination…status discrimination ..linguistic discrimination….geographical discrimination…cultural discrimination…. educated and uneducated discrimination …Birth discrimination…occupation discrimination …iam so tired .manusmrithi is scientific and practical approach of categorising the people… Read more »
rammohan
rammohan
3 years 10 months ago
hi i have seen conversation between abdullah and kalbhairav that abdulaah told not only he but many muslims say that universe has limits and god knows it i admit but we do not know what is limit for this universe and that is infinite which even modern science which has… Read more »
Ranjith
Ranjith
3 years 10 months ago

Sir, it would have been more helpful had you even published the slokas along with sloka nbrs and translation.

Tormented student
Tormented student
3 years 10 months ago
In order to prove that somebody is discriminating the objectioner must show a proof.But in order to prove that Manu Smriti is discriminating it requires a lot of discussions and debate.Those who frequently take their decisions about this book are also free to make their own decisions.But I hope that… Read more »
INDIAN
INDIAN
3 years 10 months ago

AGNIVEER IS DISCRIMINATE.. MANUSMIRTI IS A DISCRIMINATING VEDA BOOK. IT HAS BEEN BURN BY INDIAN GOVERNMRNT.. ANY1 WHO IS SUPPORTING THIS STUFF.. IS A CRIMINAL …

dogra
dogra
3 years 10 months ago

So you object to dignity of labour you object to verses RV 10.191, you object to gender equality, you object to one caste, but different functions in life, you object to Karma Yoga-selfless service, criminal indeed.
Sanatan Dharma is beautiful humane faith, basic questioning reveals the truth

hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 11 months ago

very nice this shuts up the fakes and liars who attack hinduism from manusmriti

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the great
the great
4 years 1 month ago

thanks agniveer can you make a video of the caste system to prove it is against our scriptures

Manya
4 years 1 month ago
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Manya
4 years 3 months ago
A very good and rewarding effort i say. After I had studied the Manu Smriti and the purpose of The Vedas, I was confused about the origins of castism and hated that it was part of Hinduism. But your article confirmed my analysis that “Karma” matters and not “Birth” and… Read more »
Ganesh
Ganesh
4 years 9 months ago
Thanks Agniveer for such a great article!! Please keep on guiding us for betterment of our lives and society. I see a lot of arguments going on here, but rather than getting caught in these I found that I should do what my heart says is truth i.e. DISTROY THE… Read more »
A.L.Rawal
A.L.Rawal
4 years 11 months ago
It is clear that caste-system is well-entrenched way of life among Hindus and also Muslims of India. converted Muslims do practise caste in their societies. Different castes of Muslims or Christians have different mosques or churches. Therefore caste-system is a malady which will not leave the Indian society. When two… Read more »
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4 years 11 months ago

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AMIT
AMIT
5 years 3 days ago
35.IS ALLAH A NEEDY LIKE US? Does Allah have a beginning? In the beginning of Allah who worshipped Him? How long did He survey without being worshipped by humans? Is He craze of being worshipped and thus a “needy” like a common human being? How did he spend His time… Read more »
AMIT
AMIT
5 years 3 days ago
38.HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES GOD NEED TO WORSHIP HIM? How did Allah fulfill His desire to be worshipped before he created Adam? How long did he Was He not satisfied with just one man worshipping him? Then, two, Adam and Eve? Had they not committed sin, they alone would have… Read more »
AMIT
AMIT
5 years 3 days ago
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Ajay Kumar
Ajay Kumar
5 years 9 days ago

@shabeer
What was Allah doing before this universe creation? Do not post irrelevant here but answer of this simple query.

shabeer
5 years 9 days ago
WHERE IS THE ORIGIN OF ARYANS? Most of the historian says that the origin of Aryan from foreigner. There is no evidence the origin of Aryan from India. 1. Hungary, Austria and Bohemia (Dr. Giles) 2. North pole(Ernest homes: encyclopedia 2:269) 3. People of chathalha yougam ,Anantholiya,Turkey(Colin renfue) 4. Northern… Read more »
saroj
saroj
11 months 5 days ago

the problem here is that what vedas talkm of aryans is totally different. there is no referencee in vedas to a migration.

Dr. Madhusudan
5 years 9 days ago

Great Article. Great Service to Hindu Dharm.

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