There is no Beef in Vedas

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The material presented here is based on a thorough and objective analysis of roots of Vedic words, the context in which they appear, Vedic Vocabulary,  Philology, Grammar and other tools critical for correct interpretation of the Vedic mantras. Thus this research series does not merely rely on blind reproduction of works of Max Muller, Griffith, Wilson, Williams and other indologists on Vedas and Vedic language. While they are more popular in contemporary western academia, we have objective reasons to conclude that their works are far from authoritative. We shall explore this facet in more detail in this research series.

Welcome to this first part of the research series on critical evaluation of Misconceptions surrounding the Vedas – the first books of knowledge on earth.

For centuries aspersions have been cast upon the Vedas; the primary holy scriptures of the Hindus of having unholy contents. If one really started believing in those aspersions, the entire Hindu philosophy, culture, and traditions would reduce to nothing but savagery, barbarism and cannibalism.

The Vedas – the very roots of Hinduism, rather the first source of knowledge on earth – are meant for guiding the actions of human being in order to lead a blissful life.

This slanderous campaign has been unleashed by different vested interests to embarrass Hindus around the world citing specific references from the Vedas.

This also comes handy in convincing poor and illiterate Indians to give up their faith on the grounds that their fundamental holy books – the Vedas – contain all the inhuman elements like denigration of women, meat-eating, polygamy, casteism and above all – beef eating.

The Vedas are also accused of animal sacrifice in sacrificial ceremonies popularly known as the YAJNA. Interestingly a section of home-bred intellectuals claiming to have deep study of ancient India has also come up, who cite references from works of western indologists to prove such unholy content in the Vedas.

Saying that the Vedas permit beef-eating and cow-slaughter amounts to striking a lethal blow to a Hindu’s soul. Respect for cow forms a core tenet of Hinduism. Once you are able to convince him of flaws in the foundation of this core tenet and make him feel guilty, he becomes an easy prey for the predator faiths. There are millions of ill-informed Hindus who are not empowered to counter argue and hence quietly surrender.

The vested interests that malign the Vedas are not confined to foreign and home-bred indologists alone. A certain class among Hindus exploited the rest of the population including the socially and economically weaker sections by forcing them to believe and follow what they said in the name of Vedas or else face the wrath.

All the slanders heaped upon the Vedas can be attributed mainly to the interpretations of commentaries written by Mahidhar, Uvat and Saayan in the medieval times; and to what Vam-margis or the Tantra cult propagated in their books in the name of the Vedas.

In due course the falsehood spread far and wide and they became even more deep rooted when western scholars with their half baked knowledge of Sanskrit transliterated these interpretations of commentaries of Sayan and Mahidhar, in the name of translating the Vedas.

However, they lacked the pre-requisite understanding of Shiksha (Phonetics), Vyakarana (Grammar), Nirukta (Philology), Nighantu (Vocabulary), Chhanda (Prosody), Jyotish (Astronomy), Kalpa and so on that are critical for correct interpretation of the Vedas.

The purpose behind Agniveer movement is to objectively evaluate all such misconceptions about the Vedas – the foundation of human knowledge and establish their piety, sanctity, great ideals and philosophy that cater not only to Hindus but to every human being without bars, bias or discrimination of any kind.

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Section 1: No  violence against animals

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Yasmintsarvaani bhutaanyaatmaivaabhuudvijaanatah
Tatra ko mohah kah shokah ekatvamanupasyatah
Yajurveda 40.7

“Those who see all beings as souls do not feel infatuation or anguish at their sight, for they experience oneness with them”.
How could people who believed in the doctrines of indestructibility, transmigration  dare to kill living animals in yajnas? They might be seeing the souls of their own near and dear ones of bygone days residing in those living beings.
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Anumantaa vishasitaa nihantaa krayavikrayee
Samskartaa chopahartaa cha khadakashcheti ghaatakaah
Manusmrithi 5.51
Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that
meat and those who eat are all murderers.
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Breehimattam yavamattamatho maashamatho tilam
Esha vaam bhaago nihito ratnadheyaaya dantau maa hinsishtam pitaram maataram cha
Atharvaveda 6.140.2

O teeth! You eat rice, you eat barley, you gram and you eat sesame. These cereals are specifically meant for you. Do not kill those who are capable of being fathers and mothers.
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Ya aamam maansamadanti paurusheyam cha ye kravih
Garbhaan khaadanti keshavaastaanito naashayaamasi
Atharvaveda 8.6.23

We ought to destroy those who eat cooked as well as uncooked meat, meat involving destruction of males and females, foetus and eggs.
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Anago hatya vai bheema kritye
Maa no gaamashvam purusham vadheeh
Atharvaveda 10.1.29

It is definitely a great sin to kill innocents. Do not kill our cows, horses and people.

How could there be justification of cow and other animals being killed when killing is so clearly prohibited in the Vedas?
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Aghnyaa yajamaanasya pashoonpahi
Yajurveda 1.1

“O human! animals are Aghnya – not to be killed. Protect the animals”
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Pashunstraayethaam
Yajurveda 6.11

Protect the animals.
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Dwipaadava Chatushpaatpaahi
Yajurveda 14.8

Protect the bipeds and quadrupeds!
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Kravy da –kravya[ meat obtained from slaughter] + Ada [ the eater]—the meat eater.

Pisacha — pisita [meat] +asa [eater]—the meat eater.

Asutrpa — Asu [breath of life] + trpa [one who satisfies himself on]—one who takes others life for his meals.

Garba da and Anda da – the foetus and egg eaters.

Mans da – the meat eaters

Meat eaters have always been looked down in Vedic literature. They have been known as Rakshasas, Pisacha and so on….All these words are synonyms of demons or devils that have been out-cast from the civilized human society.
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Urjam no dhehi dwipade chatushpade
Yajurveda 11.83

“May all bipeds and quadrupeds gain strength and nourishment”

This mantra is recited by Hindus before every meal. How could the same philosophy which prays for well-being of every soul in every moment of life, approve of killing animals?
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Section 2: No  violence in Yajna

Yajna never meant animal sacrifice in the sense popularly understood. Yajna in the Vedas meant a noble deed or the highest purifying action.

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Adhvara iti Yajnanaama – Dhvaratihimsaakarmaa tatpratishedhah
Nirukta 2.7

According to Yaaska Acharya, one of the synonyms of Yajna in Nirukta or the Vedic philology is Adhvara.

Dhvara means an act with himsa or violence. And therefore a-dhvara means an act involving no himsa or no violence. There are a large number of such usage of Adhvara in the Vedas.
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In the post-Mahabharata period, misinterpretation of the Vedas and interpolations in other scriptures took place at various points intime. Acharya Shankar reestablished the Vedic values to an extent.

In the more recent times, Swami Dayanand Saraswati – known as the grandfather of modern India – interpreted the Vedas as per thecorrect rules of the language and authentic evidences. His literature, which includes commentary on the Vedas, Satyarth Prakash loosely translated as Light of Truth, An Introduction to the Vedas and other texts led to widespread social reformation based on Vedic philosophy and dispelling of myths surrounding the Vedas.

Let us discover what the Vedas have to say on Yajna.

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Agne yam yagnamadhvaram vishwatah pari bhuurasi
Sa id deveshu gacchati
Rigveda 1.1.4

O lord of effulgence! The non-violent Yajna, you prescribe from all sides, is beneficial for all, touches divine proportions and is accepted by noble souls.
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The Rigveda describes Yajna as Adhvara  or non violent throughout. Same is the case with all the other Vedas. How can it be then concluded that the Vedas permit violence or slaughter of animals?

The biggest accusation of cattle and cow slaughter comes in the context of the Yajnas that derived their names from different cattle like the Ashwamedh Yajna, the Gomedha Yajna and the Nar-medh Yajna. Even by the wildest stretch of the imagination the word Medha would not mean slaughter in this context.

It’s interesting to note what Yajurveda says about a horse
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Imam ma himsirekashafam pashum kanikradam vaajinam vaajineshu
Yajurveda 13.48

Do not slaughter this one hoofed animal that neighs and who goes with a speed faster than most of the animals.
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Aswamedha does not mean horse sacrifice at Yajna. Instead the Yajurveda clearly mentions that a horse ought not to be slaughtered.

In Shathapatha, Ashwa is a word for the nation or empire

The word medha does not mean slaughter. It denotes an act done in accordance to the intellect Alternatively it could mean consolidation, as evident from the root meaning of medha i.e. medhru san-ga-me

Raashtram vaa ashwamedhah
Annam hi gau
Agnirvaa ashwah
Aajyam medhah
(Shatpath 13.1.6.3)

Swami Dayananda Saraswati wrote in his Light of Truth:

A Yajna dedicated to the glory, wellbeing and prosperity of the Rashtra the nation or empire is known as the Ashwamedh yajna.

“To keep the food pure or to keep the senses under control, or to make the food pure or to make a good use of the rays of Sun or keep the earth free from impurities[clean] is called Gomedha Yajna”.

“The word Gau also means the Earth and the yajna dedicated to keep the Earth the environment clean is called Gomedha Yajna”

“The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna”.
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Section 3: No beef in Vedas

Not only the Vedas are against animal slaughter but also vehemently oppose and prohibit cow slaughter.Yajurveda forbids killing of cows, for they provide energizing food for human beings

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Ghrtam duhaanaamaditim janaayaagne maa himsiheeh
Yajurveda 13.49

Do not kill cows and bulls who always deserve to be protected.

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Aare gohaa nrhaa vadho vo astu
Rigveda 7.56.17

In Rigveda cow slaughter has been declared a heinous crime equivalent to human murder and it has been said that those who commits this crime should be punished.
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Sooyavasaad bhagavatee hi bhooyaa atho vayam bhagvantah syaama
Addhi trnamaghnye vishwadaaneem piba shuddhamudakamaacharantee
Rigveda 1.164.40 or Atharv 7.73.11 or Atharv 9.10.20

The Aghnya cows – which are not to be killed under any circumstances– may keep themselves healthy by use of pure water and green grass, so that we may be endowed with virtues, knowledge and wealth.

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The Vedic Lexicon, Nighantu, gives amongst other synonyms of Gau[ or cow] the words Aghnya. Ahi, and Aditi. Yaska the commentator on Nighantu, defines these as-
Aghnya the one that ought not to be killed
Ahi the one that must not be slaughtered.
Aditi the one that ought not to be cut into pieces.

These three names of cow signify that the animal ought not to be put to tortures. These words appear frequently throughout the Vedas in context of the cow.

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Aghnyeyam saa vardhataam mahate soubhagaaya

Rigveda 1.164.27
Cow – The aghnya – brings us health and prosperity

Suprapaanam Bhavatvaghnyaayaah
Rigveda 5.83.8
There should be excellent facility for pure water for Aghnya Cow

Yah paurusheyena kravishaa samankte yo ashwena pashunaa yaatudhaanah

Yo aghnyaayaa bharati ksheeramagne teshaam sheershaani harasaapi vrishcha
Rigveda 10.87.16

Those who feed on human, horse or animal flesh and those who destroy milk-giving Aghnya cows should be severely punished.

Vimucchyadhvamaghnyaa devayaanaa aganma
Yajurveda 12.73
The Aghnya cows and bulls bring you prosperity

Maa gaamanaagaamaditim vadhishta
Rigveda 8.101.15
Do not kill the cow. Cow is innocent and aditi – that ought not to be cut into pieces

Antakaaya goghaatam
Yajurveda 30.18

Destroy those who kill cows

Yadi no gaam hansi yadyashwam yadi poorusham
Tam tvaa seesena vidhyaamo yatha no so aveeraha
Atharvaveda 1.16.4

If someone destroys our cows, horses or people, kill him with a bullet of lead.

Vatsam jaatamivaaghnyaa
Atharvaveda 3.30.1

Love each other as the Aghnya – non-killable cow – loves its calf

Dhenu sadanam rayeenaam
Atharvaveda 11.1.34

Cow is fountainhead of all bounties

The entire 28th Sukta or Hymn of 6th Mandal of Rigveda sings the glory of cow.
Aa gaavo agnamannuta bhadramakrantseedantu

Bhooyobhooyo rayimidasya vardhayannabhinne

Na taa nashanti na dabhaati taskaro naasaamamitro vyathiraa dadharshati

Na taa arvaa renukakaato ashnute na samskritramupa yanti taa abhi

Gaavo bhago gaava indro me achhaan

Yooyam gaavo medayathaa

Maa vah stena eeshata maaghanshasah

1. Everyone should ensure that cows are free from miseries and kept healthy.
2. God blesses those who take care of cows.
3. Even the enemies should not use any weapon on cows
4. No one should slaughter the cow
5. Cow brings prosperity and strength

6. If cows keep healthy and happy, men and women shall also keep disease free and prosperous

7. May the cow eat green grass and pure water. May they not be killed and bring prosperity to us.

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What more proofs does one need to understand the high esteem in whichnot only the cow but each living being is held in the Vedas.

The learned audience can decide for themselves from these evidences that the Vedas are completely against any inhuman practice… to top it all the Beef and Cow slaughter.

There is no Beef in Vedas.

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Bibliography:

1.    Rigveda Bhashya – Commentary on Rigveda by Swami Dayanand Saraswati

2.    Yajurveda Bhashya – Commentary on Yajurveda by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
3.    No Beef in Vedas by BD Ukhul

4.    Vedon ka Yatharth Swaroop (True nature of Vedas) by Pt Dharmadeva Vidyavachaspati
5.    All 4 Veda Samhita by Pt Damodar Satvalekar

6.    Pracheen Bharat me Gomamsa – Ek Sameeksha (Beef in Ancient India – an analysis) by Geeta Press, Gorakhpur
7.    The Myth of Holy Cow – by DN Jha
8.    Hymns of Atharvaveda – Griffith
9.    Scared Books of the east – Max Muller
10.    Rigveda translations by Williams/Jones
11.    Sanskrit English Dictionary – Monier Williams
12.    Commentary on Vedas by Dayanand Sansthan
13.    Western Indologists – a study of motives by Pt Bhagvadutt
14.     Satyarth Prakash by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
15.     Introduction to Vedas by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
16.     Cloud over understanding of Vedas by BD Ukhul
17.    Shathpath Brahman
18.     Nirukta – Yaska Acharya
19.     Dhatupath – Panini
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Addendum on 14 April 2010:

After this article, there was severe reaction from various sources who cannot live with the fact that Vedas and ancient culture of our nation could have been more ideal than their current communistic ideals. I received several mails that tried to refute the articles by citing additional references that support beef-eating. These include 2 mantras from Rigveda, and some Shlokas from Manu Smriti and a few other texts. An example is the comment from Avtar Gill on this page itself. On these, I have to say the following:

a. The article has given evidence from Manu Smriti itself which states that even one who permits killing is a murderer. Thus all these additional shlokas are either from adulterated Manu Smriti or misinterpreted by twisting of words. I recommend them to read Manu Smriti by Dr Surendra Kumar which is available from http://vedicbooks.com

b. A typical example of foul play by those hell-bent on justifying their obsession with beef in ancient texts, is to translate Mansa as ‘meat’. In reality, ‘Mansa’ is a generic word used to denote pulp. Meat is called ‘Mansa’ because it is pulpy. So mere presence of ‘Mansa’ does not mean it refers to meat.

c. The other texts referred by them are among dubious ones not considered authoritative evidence. Their modus operandi is simple – state anything written in Sanskrit as Dharma and translate the way they want to prove whatever they want. This is how they have been fooling us all by filling our textbooks with all unverified demeaning claims.

d. With regards to Vedas, they could come up with two mantras that supposedly justify beef eating. Let us evaluate them:

Claim: Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
Fact: The mantra states that in winter, the rays of sun get weakened and then get strong again in spring. The word used for sun-rays in ‘Go’ which also means cow and hence the mantra can also be translated by making ‘cow’ and not ‘sun-rays’ as the subject. The word used for ‘weakened’ is ‘Hanyate’ which can also mean killing. But if that be so, why would the mantra go further and state in next line (which is deliberately not translated) that in spring, they start regaining their original form.

How can a cow killed in winter regain its health in spring? This amply proves how ignorant and biased communists malign Vedas.
Claim: Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”

Fact: The mantra states that brilliant scholars enlighten the world in the manner that wood enhances the fire of Yajna. I fail to understand from where did Avtar Gill and his friends discover Indra, cow, calf, horse and buffalo in this mantra!

In summary, I continue the challenge to everyone – cite one single mantra from Vedas that justify beef-eating and I shall be eager to embrace any faith that he or she may decide for me. If not, they should agree to revert back to the Vedas.

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    • Mohammad Ayub Ansari says

      You people tend to be right and the others wrong!!
      The next day another tom, dick and harry will say that I’ve done a thorough research and which is better than this one and then you people will even believe that as for now you’re believing this! :)

      • Mohammad Ayub Ansari says

        And you didn’t mention that to which GOD you’re asking to bless him as you have somewhat like more than 9 to 10 major “BHAGANBANS” including that BIRSA MUNDA!

        • sridhar says

          Ayub ansari it is you people who think you are right and others wrong!!!
          How come you accuse hindus of that,saints in hinduism never proclaimed that our way is the only way to reach god.Hindus see god in all creatures so innumerable numbers of higher beings claim that they are not different from brahman.Hindu god ishwar accepts all prayers as he resides in all beings as awareness.

          Comming from a background of gods who terrorize i doubt you understand what i said.
          Better try to understand what Ana al Haq means and submit yourself to god (that is the meaning of islam) rather than making fun of other religions which you cant understand.

          • Mohammad Ayub Ansari says

            @Sridhar: First thing coming first!
            1. I’m straight forward and not like “others” who turn even the straightest locus of a talk!

            2. See directly or indirectly one has to be right and the other to be wrong and I don’t think that the saints and whatever of yours didn’t say that what I’m doing is not right because no one on this planet would do anything wrong!

            3. See a very basic difference between Hinduism and Islam is that of a simple ” ‘ “. Did you notice that? Well, that was an apostrophe i.e., you say everything is GOD whether it be cow, Sun, Tree or anything whereas we the people say everything’s GOD’s i.e.. the Sun’s created by the almighty who’s undoubtedly one according to all religions of the world, the cow’s created by the almighty “ALLAH” and the list goes on.

            4. I Doubt whether you’re a Hindu! I mean people like you make fun of your religion “Comming from a background of gods who terrorize” what did you mean by this sentence? I was confused but now am sure of that you’re not a practicing Hindu!
            Neither you’ve read the VEDAS(4) nor any epic story thoroughly! I assure you as it is clearly mentioned in [Yajurveda 32:3] “Na tasya Pratima asti”
            “There is no image of Him.” And [Bhagavad Gita 7:20] “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
            Though these facts are given in your book in the initial stage even then you’re mistaken!
            None of the religion says that there is more than one GOD, so this proves you’re not a practicing Hindu! Moreover the job you’re doing is completely immoral! It’s almost like a sin because you make people see what you want them to see!
            I pray to the almighty that you come to the right path and one last thing for you i.e., go at least once through the holy books you challenge to have gone through which includes Vedas not only Rig but all the 4 and your epic stories and the Glorious Qur’an!

            5. I got to know about your personality by the way you kept your views in front of the people Better try to understand what na tasya pratima asti means i.e., there is no image of the almighty (which is the teaching of Vedas) rather than making fun of other religions which you cant understand i.e., ISLAM! Well, I’ll make you go through a short story which begins now: There were two best friends, one day friend A raped the sister of friend B but friend B said nothing and later the same was done by friend B to the sister of friend A! So, does the friend A has the right to say his friend that you did wrong? The answer is a simple one i.e., NO! Same here you made and are continuing to make fun of ISLAM! It wasn’t me who said that “while our skins are roasted in the Hell they(Muslims) would be enjoying Virgins in the Paradise(Jannat) or it wasn’t me that somebody’s there who’s sponsoring Osama and Zakir for the message of ISLAM to be spread over! I never made fun but you’re doing so just for a couple of pennies (PAYPAL donations)!!
            I would like you not to see Dr.Zakir Naik or Sheikh Ahmed Deedat or anyone else as they’re zero but go to Qur’an! Go through it thoroughly and then say whatever you want to!

            Moreover we never said that you guys prepare the bodies of your goddesses even the parts which are not to be seen(breasts) though you’re not allowed to create or worship idols as mentioned in VEDAS and we never shouted…!

            And yeah you talk about crimes, don’t you? So, I’ll make you go through a happening of a recent time! The day starts here:
            A bright sun took its place on the top of everyone’s head and……
            VHP(Viswa Hindu Parisad) and BJP (Bharatiya Janta Party) leaders and supporters in Gujarat searched every possible corner and murdered tenths of thousands of peoples and “”””””raped””””” thousands of sisters and mothers! And the best part was that all who were murdered and “raped” were MUSLIMS and all who did were of your caste as it was a riot in which a minister of VHP raped a girl who was 15!
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            So, just imagine (Main dua karoonga aisa kabhi ho na) but in the place of that MUSLIMS if one of them were you and a person in front of your eyes raped your 15 year old sister and mother and killed your father and brother! How would’ve you felt?!

            At the end of the day, I wanna make you know a lesson of moral value which is not from any holy book but everyone’s believed and yeah the fact i.e., there are some negative side of everything and the same is with the people from any caste maybe Hindu, Sikh or Muslim”!
            Stop this non-sense!
            You’ve got only one life as mentioned in the Vedas, so live it so that the coming generation remembers you as a good person rather than…! In the meanwhile stop this blogsite! I firmly believe that you’ll delete it but if you don’t then it’s of no doubt clear to me that you’re doing it for your livelihood same as Taslima Nasreen, Arun Shoori and many more!

            At least don’t talk bad of anything if you can’t talk good about “any thing”!
            Please stop it! I wouldn’t stuck to this site as I’ve my whole life to take care of so it’s your will but please as it feels pain when someone talks the wrong about anything which’s related to you! It’s neither a debate nor a game but an advice!

            Yours’ goodwisher,
            Mohammad Ayub Ansari.

          • sridhar says

            3. See a very basic difference between Hinduism and Islam is that of a simple ” ‘ “. Did you notice that? Well, that was an apostrophe i.e., you say everything is GOD whether it be cow, Sun, Tree or anything whereas we the people say everything’s God’s i.e.. The Sun’s created by the almighty who’s undoubtedly one according to all religions of the world, the cow’s created by the almighty “ALLAH” and the list goes on.

            >>> This means you are saying that the creation is different from the creator. Hinduism says that the entire creation is filled with God’s power and there is now wrong in worshipping sun, cow or whatever as god will understand your intention to pray and takes no fault in it. However this is not what current version of Islam preaches.

            4-1. I Doubt whether you’re a Hindu! I mean people like you make fun of your religion “Comming from a background of gods who terrorize” what did you mean by this sentence? I was confused but now am sure of that you’re not a practicing Hindu!

            >>> I am that I AM. “I” can only be described mostly as not this, not that. All Gods work by creating fear in humans. Proofs – eternal hell in Islam and Christianity, Rudra in Rig-Veda.

            4-2.Neither you’ve read the VEDAS(4) nor any epic story thoroughly! I assure you as it is clearly mentioned in [Yajurveda 32:3] “Na tasya Pratima asti”
            “There is no image of Him.” And [Bhagavad Gita 7:20] “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”

            >>> I haven’t read any vedas. “There is no image of Him” doesn’t mean destroy all images and kill people who worship images.

            Vedas clearly has mention of different GODS.
            Why do you take the portions of Vedas which is in agreement with you and not the portions which is not.

            The same Krishna mentioned “aham atma gudakesa sarva-bhutasaya-sthitah aham adis ca madhyam ca bhutanam anta eva ca” the translation literally means he resides in every living being.

            4-3.Though these facts are given in your book in the initial stage even then you’re mistaken!
            None of the religion says that there is more than one GOD, so this proves you’re not a practicing Hindu!

            >>> GOD is one according to religions which believe in GOD. There is no need to declare “there is no GOD but SOMENAME” as each language/people has got different names to indicate GOD. Here intention matters not the name (Don’t downgrade GOD to a person who likes one name more than the other, such a GOD is worthless to the post of GOD).

            4-4.Moreover the job you’re doing is completely immoral! It’s almost like a sin because you make people see what you want them to see!
            I pray to the almighty that you come to the right path and one last thing for you i.e., go at least once through the holy books you challenge to have gone through which includes Vedas not only Rig but all the 4 and your epic stories and the Glorious Qur’an!

            >>> You contradict your own words i.e. Point 2 “no one on this planet would do anything wrong!”

            All paths are right as they are all laid by GOD. No need to go through sets of books the arguments on this site proves of deficiencies in Quran as well as arguments on other sites proves the deficiencies in Vedas or bible. Problem with most of the people is to take the words in books literally, while many books are just pointing to a state which cannot be described.

            5-1. I got to know about your personality by the way you kept your views in front of the people
            Better try to understand what na tasya pratima asti means i.e., there is no image of the almighty (which is the teaching of Vedas)
            rather than making fun of other religions which you cant understand i.e., ISLAM!

            Well, I’ll make you go through a short story which begins now: There were two best friends, one day friend A raped the sister of friend B but friend B said nothing and later the same was done by friend B to the sister of friend A! So, does the friend A has the right to say his friend that you did wrong? The answer is a simple one i.e., NO! Same here you made and are continuing to make fun of ISLAM! It wasn’t me who said that “while our skins are roasted in the Hell they(Muslims) would be enjoying Virgins in the Paradise(Jannat) or it wasn’t me that somebody’s there who’s sponsoring Osama and Zakir for the message of ISLAM to be spread over! I never made fun but you’re doing so just for a couple of pennies (PAYPAL donations)!!
            I would like you not to see Dr.Zakir Naik or Sheikh Ahmed Deedat or anyone else as they’re zero but go to Qur’an! Go through it thoroughly and then say whatever you want to!

            >>>

            I don’t have any problem with parts of Quran which are peaceful and indicates submission to GOD as it is one of the many ways to get atma jnana.

            According to Quran what ever happens is because of the will of ALLAH. If it is written in “Lohe Mahfooz” that this site needs to be created who am i to ask the administrators to stop this site?

            5-2.

            Moreover we never said that you guys prepare the bodies of your goddesses even the parts which are not to be seen(breasts) though you’re not allowed to create or worship idols as mentioned in VEDAS and we never shouted…!

            >>> The breasts of a goddess indicate the ability to feed the children and there is nothing wrong mentioning breasts of goddesses. It is indeed a great sight to see a woman feeding a young child with her breast, what else we require to prove the protectiveness of god for his children. There is nothing wrong with idol worship as people who worship knew that idol is not the only GOD and the power of GOD (i.e. GOD) is also present in the idol.

            6. Stop this non-sense!
            You’ve got only one life as mentioned in the Vedas, so live it so that the coming generation remembers you as a good person rather than…! In the meanwhile stop this blogsite! I firmly believe that you’ll delete it but if you don’t then it’s of no doubt clear to me that you’re doing it for your livelihood same as Taslima Nasreen, Arun Shoori and many more!

            >>> Lot of Vedic references are given in this site indicating the birth cycle of jivas. Stop reporting only the verses in Vedas which are in accordance with your views. Either denounce Vedas fully or try explaining the other sutras in Vedas which indicate multiple gods. This site denounces violence in hadiths and not whole of Quran. And as I replied in 5-1 the existence of this site is because ALLAH willed so. May be some day Agniveer will proclaim he is the last messenger and some people might believe him.

            I denounce all forms of violence and people who killed innocent Muslims will definitely go to hell as per Vedas unfortunately no concession is given for wrong doing in Vedas otherwise the world would have been lot violent now.

            My comment to you came as an answer to the comment you made about different number of GODS. The truth of different gods is in the present working of democracies’. I don’t go to a government doctor to complain about house burglary. I go to police station. The officers themselves are representatives of government. Same is the case with higher agents though the power in those higher agents as well as me is GOD.

            you follow your path i.e submit yourselves to GOD ( ISLAM).

            I will follow my path i.e Discrimination between real and non real ( for that i require a healthy discussion and this site provides more insight into all religions.

            Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu

          • Aman Garg says

            Dear Shri Ayub
            At the outset you seem to be a good man. Since you have adopted the method of answering point by point, I will also provide my thoughts in the same manner:
            1) You said “I’m straight forward ..talk”
            Ans: Good, I like that attitude. I only hope and pray that what you say in true.
            2) You said “See directly ….anything wrong!”
            Ans: Excellent, I like that attitude too. Once again, I hope and pray what you are saying is true. This attitude, ideally, should make a person open minded. I will wait to see if you are really one.
            3) You said “See a very basic difference between Hinduism and Islam is …cow’s created by the almighty “ALLAH” and the list goes on.”
            Ans: Well, that is certainly NOT the main difference. That is just one of the differences between the 2 religions. There are other differences too. The fundamental differences between Hinduism and any other organized religions are – the concept of Karma and the concept of cycles of births and deaths in order to relieve ourselves from the bonds of Karma. Now .. what is karma? By and large, if you read commentaries by great saints, you will realize that anything that has a consequence is karma. It basically comprises of 4 factors (Read this carefully – action, inaction, thought and thoughtlessness). Frankly, I cannot think of any other factor that could possibly have a consequence in anybody’s life. Every aspect of human life is just a consequence of one’s karma (wrt the factors mentioned). It is for the living creatures to understand this (and not just believe this) and work (FREE WILL) towards liberating oneself from the bonds of karma and merge with the Supreme Consciousness (which we call God) to attain a state called Moksha which is described as a state when one has exhausted all his karmic duties and does not have to take birth anymore. Hinduism also states that God omnipresent. He pervades everything in the universe. He is present everywhere and in everyone as awareness. It is just the vasanas due to ones karma that a person associated him/herself with something perishable like the BODY. So, when a person, out of aberration, thinks he is the BODY and not the consciousness, that is when irrationality sets in and people do things that harm other life forms in the world. It will require some effort and meditation to understand this. You are most welcome to go to any Vedic ashram to understand this if you truly want. Hope you will make an attempt to understand this with an open mind.
            4) You said “I Doubt whether you’re a Hindu! …. Glorious Qur’an!”
            Ans: You are correct. I am not here to criticize any religion. I am only requesting you to think. You will just have to understand yourself out of your religion. It is certainly possible. You quoted the Vedas by saying “na tasya prathima asti”. You are right. Based on point ‘3’, how can He have an image when he pervades everything? But does it say “You do have any right to perceive Him as an image”? CERTAINLY NOT . If God pervades in to each and everything in the universe, what is wrong is perceiving Him in the form of something that he pervades? If someone is able to elevate ones consciousness by perceiving him as anything, what is wrong ?
            You also quoted Gita by saying “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures”. You are right once again. But did you care to read the next verse? Let me quote it for you. It says “According to whichever demigod representing a form of Me a particular devotee desires to worship faithfully, I, as the Supersoul dwelling within his heart, make his faith strong for the deity of his choice.” This is THE MOST beautiful verse. It says “It does not matter in which form of Mine you pray to. If you do so with FAITH, I will reaffirm your faith in that particular form of Mine”. This encompasses the humanity in its entirety. This statement is the most BEAUTIFUL and the MOST SECULAR statement one can ever come across. This is so very different from what organized religions that say “I am the ONLY way”. Let me ask you a question.
            Let me ask you a few questions. Please give honest answers.
            a) I assume you are Indian. Have you not seen Hindus and Christians who are happy, healthy, cheerful successful etc and are living life with so much vigor, helping others?
            Ans: A truthful answer would be ‘Yes’.
            b) Now please ask the question “WHY”. If ALLAH is the only true god, and if people are praying to different gods other than allah, why whould they get happiness, success, health etc?
            A typical muslim answer: Even if they pray to other Gods, it is only allah who gives them all these. They are happy only in this life. They will burn in hell fire after they die.
            Response: As a rational human being, pls see if this makes sense. Allah bestows happiness, health, success to everybody in this world eventhough they don’t pray to allah. That way, allah is putting them under a delusion that they are praying to the ‘true’ god only to burn them in hell fire after they die? I leave it to you to judge if this makes sense.
            Another typical muslim answer: Allah knows the past present and future of all his creations(Since Islam believes in predestination). He guides whom he pleases and does guide who he does not want to guide.
            Response: So allah decided to guide people whom he chooses and misguide the rest? So if allah has decided to misguide 70% of the world population, whose fault is it? Is it not allah’s? After He chose to misguide 70% of the population, why should these 70% of the folks burn in hell fire for no fault of theirs?
            Another typical muslim answer: Allah only chooses to guide them, but it is Satan who misguides them.
            Response: So we have Satan who has the power to defies allah’s will? If that is the case it is only the satan who should be punished and no the person .. right? And WHO created the satan  ? Should he also not be punished?
            When you quote from the Vedas or the Gita, I request you to please try to understand the essence before you start commenting on them.
            So by now, I assume you would have insights about the REAL differences between Hinduism and other religions. Please pursue truthfully to understand vedic essence and FEEL the change that KNOWLEDGE brings to you.

            5) You said “I got to know … VEDAS and we never shouted”
            Ans: By now, you must have understood the concept of how we can perceive God in anything. So even though I agree God cannot be an idol, there is nothing wrong in perc eiving God in anything and as anything. You gave an example of a girl getting raped. Not let me ask you a question. If a girl gets gang raped, please tell me why did it happen? Did it happen because allah willed it? Or did it happen because 4 mad men willed it.
            Typical muslim answer: Allah did not will it. It was the 4 madmen who willed it
            Response: So are you saying the will of the 4 madmen is greater than the will of allh(the creator of the universe)?
            Another muslim answer: allah willed it(sic)
            Respose: If allah can will such a dreadful act, why do you call allah merciful? Since according to islam, everything (past, present and future) is known to allah, why did he not prevent it? He need not created there 4 people. At least he could ensured that they don’t think of committing such a beastly act. But still lots of such incidents happen all around. So is ALLAH merciful? Any rational minded person would say “NO”. God is merciful. So what is wrong here? The CONCEPT of God present in quran is wrong? Don’t u think so?

            6) You said “Hindus killed muslims in Gujrat…”
            Ans: Yes, there was communal violence. It was really sad to see that innocents were killed. I am sure you know who started the violence. Am I correct? Let us not go deep in to it. The figures that you have presented is incorrect. If you read the Nanavati commission report(available online), you will see that about 900 people were killed out of which some 250 were Hindus(30%). Please don’t think I am justifying violence. I agree more Muslims were killed, but why did they instigate it in the first place? Also PLEASE BE HONEST. If this had happened in a country which had been Muslim majority, would ANYBODY from minority community have survived? In India (being truly secular), see the amount of rights muslims enjoy. Also so you know MUSLIMS in GUJRAT voted en mass for Narendra Modi in the Khatlal by elections and corporation elections? The muslims of Gujrat are voting for development now. My dear friend, only the media and congress keep this communal fire alive. “A 15 year old minor girl was gang raped” – This is not true. This statement was given by Teesta Setalvad which even the supreme court rejected.

            My dear friend, we could go on and on. If you want to understand the truth, let us all pursue it with honesty and integrity. Let rationality prevail. As Adi Sankara said “Knowledge alone liberates”. As Jiddu Krishnamurthy said “Truth is a pathless land”. You will have to think you way out of your religion. It is only OUR country that realized the concept that “It is FAITH alone that matters and not the object of worship”. This truth was realized by OUR forefathers(it includes my forefathers and YOUR forefathers as well). You may have changed your religion sometime in the past, but we are all branches of the big BANYAN TREE called Hinduism. Make a choice now. Come back to our roots, Come back to rationality. Come back to Truth. We don’t need anybody from Arabia to teach us religion. You and I should be teaching our religion to the rest of the world.

            Peace
            Aman Garg

        • arya pathik says

          Mohammed Ansari says :

          And you didn’t mention that to which GOD you’re asking to bless him as you have somewhat like more than 9 to 10 major “BHAGANBANS” including that BIRSA MUNDA!

          My Reply :

          I think u sud know little about Islam before uttering any sentence about hinduism.
          now Mohammed died saying that “there wont be any more PROPHETS” but QUADIYANIS [a large no of Muslims] strongly believe that moahmmed was not correct and infact, Mirza gulam Quadiyani was the last prophet.

          So, next time onwards in ur life when u discuss Islam, Quran and Prophet dont forget to mention that u believe in which PROPHET; i e; Quadiyani Prophet or non quadiyani prophet.

          i hope and believe that u will understand this much. thanx

          • ghouse says

            http://www.mahabharataonline.com/translation/mahabharata_13b053.php
            “Yudhishthira said, ‘O thou of great puissance, tell me what that object is which, if dedicated to the Pitris, becomes inexhaustible! What Havi, again, (if offered) lasts for all time? What, indeed, is that which (if presented) becomes eternal?'”

            “Bhishma said, ‘Listen to me, O Yudhishthira, what those Havis are which persons conversant with the ritual of the Sraddha regard as suitable in view of the Sraddha and what the fruits are that attach to each. With sesame seeds and rice and barley and Masha and water and roots and fruits, if given at Sraddhas, the Pitris, O king, remain gratified for the period of a month. 1 Manu has said that if a Sraddha is performed with a copious measure of sesame, such Sraddha becomes inexhaustible. Of all kinds of food, sesame seeds are regarded as the best. With fishes offered at Sraddhas, the Pitris remain gratified for a period of two months. With mutton they remain gratified for three months and with the flesh of the hare for four. With the flesh of the goat, O king, they remain gratified for five months, with bacon for six months, and with the flesh of birds for seven. With venison obtained from those deer that are called Prishata, they remain gratified for eight months, and with that obtained from the Ruru for nine months, and with the meat of the Gavaya for ten months.

            p. 145

            [paragraph continues] With the meat of the buffalo their gratification lasts for eleven months. With beef presented at the Sraddha, their gratification, it is said, lasts for a full year. Payasa mixed with ghee is as much acceptable to the Pitris as beef. With the meat of the Vadhrinasa the gratification of the Pitris lasts for twelve years. 1 The flesh of the rhinoceros, offered to the Pitris on the anniversaries of the lunar days on which they died, becomes inexhaustible. The potherb called Kalasaka, the petals of the Kanchana flower, and meat of the goat also, thus offered, prove inexhaustible. 2 In this connection,…

          • Khurshid says

            Qadiyanis are also MUSLIMS…..common agniveer get some refresher course in religious studies or shut down your site

      • smital says

        @Mohammad Ayub Ansari

        [You people tend to be right and the others wrong!!
        The next day another tom, dick and harry will say that I’ve done a thorough research and which is better than this one and then you people will even believe that as for now you’re believing this!]

        ha ha ha……. look whos talkin hi hi hi……. as you said the next day another tom dick and harry will say that i have done a better job than this n you will beleive it ha ha ha…… just like you believe in the final revelation of allah? do you mean that? ha ha ha…… i guess another tom ,dick and harry may write another revelation from allah n might say this is better than the previous one and thus NOW this ONE is “THE FINAL REVELATION OF ALLAH” grow up tom, dick n harry’s grow up……. final revelation ha ha ha which really means that allah was no better than Tom, dick n harry who then thought of making another revelation better than the previous one n so that became the final revelation ha ha ha….. poor tom’s n dick’ and harry’s ha ha ha……..i cant stop laughing…..hi hi hi hi……..

        • hardcorehindu says

          @Mohammad Ayub Ansari

          what the hell mate……its simple logic…mothers give you milk, cows give milk – you dont kill mothers, you dont kill cows…whats so difficult to understand.

          • ghouse says

            nature gives u life n ur mother give u life… u dont kill mothers, u dont kill nature… dont eat vegtables… whatz so diffcult 2 undrstnd?

          • Khurshid says

            Dear HArd core Hindu…. your dad married your mom and you were procreated..so let your dad marry an cow and see if someone like you is born or not! It will be a great discovery for science using your very own logic!

          • Slim Shaik says

            @All Hindu
            Why do you believe unscientific & illogical verse of Veda?
            “Gauh Vishwasya Matraha” i.e., Cow is the mother of entire universe and we have to serve the cow in all respects.

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Agniveer
            Why have you made site too slow? It takes much times to publish comment. Earlier this problem was not happening. Satyagni working well.

          • Slim Shaik says

            @MOHAMMED = SATAN/ TS/ Agniveer/All Kaffirs/Vajra/SDC
            I know sanskrit much batter than you. If you have guts refute me. Dayanand/Moolshankar objected on the starting of Quran and said writer of Quran is human not Allah because in starting writer has said “I am starting the book with the name of Allah”. That means writer is not Allah but someone else. Look at this Very first mantra of Rigveda which proves Veda are man made. This translation from Arya Samaj not from me.
            Rigveda 1/1/1—
            “AGNIM EDE PUROHITAM YAJESYA DEVAM RITVIJAM HOTARAM RATANDHATMAM”
            First mantra of Rigveda states that we must have extreme and firm desire to realize God. AGNIM means one who exists before everything i.e., God. God who is PUROHITAM, means world, i.e., puri, God creates universe and nurses and protects and HITAM i.e., one who brings about the welfare or benefit. YASYA DEVAM HOTARAM means he who enables us to be with learned to serve them to get knowledge. RITVIJAM means adorable in every season. RATANDHATMAM means He who beholds all lokas( i.e., earth, sun, moon, etc., and gold, diamond etc.) and DEVAM means gives us. EDE means desirous of – I desire, praise. So meaning of mantra is—–
            I desire and praise the God who exists before everything, who brings about the welfare or benefit, who enables us to be with learned to serve them to get knowledge, who is adorable in every season, who beholds all lokas, and gives us everything.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Mr. Slim SLihk you have been exposed.You said that the translation is by Arya Samaj.You are saying false.How?Because Arya Samaj translates Ede to stuti yogya.So the meaning is
            ishvar is srishti ko banate hai,jagat ke ratno ko dharan karate hai,hame apane karmo ka phal dete hai,jo ritu-ritu me stuti yogya hai.

            Click”aryasamajjamnagar.org” for the translation.And when next time you quote you should quote only from Jamnagar website.No other site is trustable than this.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Quran praising Aryas:

            Quran(1.13):Oh great Aryas!I allah bows down to Aryas.They are even above than me.

            Quran(1.67)Oh Aryas!You are the wonderful creatures among the other humans.

            Quran(2.16):Oh Aryas!I worship you because of your great passion.

            So,Muslims should Accept Vedic Dharm now.

          • Slim Shaik says

            @विनय आर्य
            तेरे को गंटे का बता नहीं है और false translation false translation चिल्लाता रहता है! कभी स्कूल गया है! मेरे को लगता है तू पाचवी फैल है! साले मै कोई ऐसा -वेसा मोमिन नहीं हू जो झूठी translations देगा!
            http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/#comment-64492

          • Vinay Arya says

            Adarniya mananiya shri “Slim SHaik” sahab ji

            “Edle” means “stuti yogya”
            But you say “I praise”.

            This difference changes the meaning of the whole mantra.So,please,just make correction in your translation.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Adarniya mananiya shri “Slim Shaik” Sahab ji

            AApako bahut bahut pranam.

            Eidle ka matalab stuti yogya hota hai.jisase ved mantra ka arth badal jaataa hai.isase pata chalata hai ki pahala ved mantra ishwar ne hi kaha hai.kyoki isaka arth nikalata hai:yaha brahmand ishvar ne banaya hai,jo ki ritu ritu me upasana yogya hai,stuti yogya hai,saba jagat ko dharan karane wala hai.

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Vinay Arya/ Slim Shaikh
            Brother Vinay translation is correct. But difference between Quran & Veda:-
            This is comment of agniveer from the article
            http://satyagni.com/929/bismillah/
            Read this article also
            The difference between Quran and Vedas is that while Quran is supposed to be narrated by Gabriel or Allah through two curtains made of pearls or jewels or whatever, Vedas were revealed in hearts of Rishis. Thus Vedas is intuitive knowledge. Since it is intuitive knowledge, it can have all the three persons (first, second and third) as per the context.

            Quran however was dictated. And the dictation started with “I start with name of Allah…” proving that the writer of Quran is someone else. Had it started in any person (first, second or third) but did not have “I START with name of Allah”, it could be still accepted as Allah’s curious ways of giving message (refer the article on Allah – limited or shapeless for more curious ways of Allah). But here we have Allah dictating Muhammad that “I start with name of Allah..!”

            Sometimes the contradictory and confusing descriptions of Allah in Quran makes one feel that there are two different characters with name Allah. One Allah is the Ishwar or someone close to Ishwar. But other Allah is a different person having lots of weaknesses like anger, colluding with Satan etc.

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Vinay/Slim
            ________isase pata chalata hai ki pahala ved mantra ishwar ne hi kaha hai_____
            पहला ही नहीं सारे वेद मंत्र ईशवर से निकले है! कृपया इसे पढिये! ये आपकी सारी शंकाओ का समाधान करेगा
            http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/#comment-64543

          • Vinay Arya says

            Mananiya shri Slim Shaik Saheb ji

            Edle=stuti yogya
            This changes the meaning of complete mantra.So there is no “I” here.

          • Vinay Arya says

            Dear Truth Seeker
            Yes,all Ved mantras were directly emanated from the God in t he heart of the four Rishis ie Agnive,Vayu,Aditya,Angira.

            Thank you very much for the elucidation!

        • Najmuddin says

          Hey Smital, its not about Tom, Dick and Hary !! Its about the truthfulness, and the facts, that can be or are proved based on the scientific facts or reasons… !! please go thru the article on why VEG and NON-VEG (only herbivorous) … go thru the article in the end (page down) dated same today… Today’s world is about science, internet is available to get every piece of information. Yesterdays vedas or todays Quran or anyother holy book u say.. should stand by the scientific facts, and not by means of what we just feel.. because we are just human beings.. we believe in what we see !! and the real creator knows the real working principles behind this !! and lets follow what we feel the best is correct !!

          • arya pathik says

            Mr. Najmuddin,

            i hope that we carry a decent and fruitful discussion.

            u said :-
            “Hey Smital, its not about Tom, Dick and Hary !! Its about the truthfulness, and the facts, that can be or are proved based on the scientific facts or reasons… !!”

            If v talk about science than why to limit application of science of Veg / no veg and why not to take it to the next level of judging the correctness of Quran / Vedas etc etc.

            If u agree than tell me :-

            1. Can u prove by science that Mohammed flew “AL- burqua” 1400 years back ?

            2. Can u prove by science that stone ran away with the clothes of Soloman ?

            3. Can u prove by science that Mohammed divided moon into two parts while he was running for his life from his enemies and had migrated to MECCA ?

            4. Can u prove by science that how Mohammed’s saliva, spit, urine had magical powers of healing people ?

            5. if yes, than why he couldnt save his only son from death and why didnt allah save his son.

            Dear Najmuddin, u can not be choosy in application of science to suit ur convenience.

            Hope, u give a logical answer.

      • arya pathik says

        Dear mohammed ansari

        people like u have no answers to the article. i think it is beyond ur reach to understand the article. This is not new research but correct english translation of vedic scriptures.

        as far as research is concerned that is the EXPERTISE of islam. Islamic Allha is in habit of sending improvised versions of QURAN from to time that too without conducting any research. Vedic god is not like Islamic Allah and he is perfect.

        Ur inability to give any useful comments on the article further prove that u, urself r a ‘ TOM, DICK AND HARRY”.

        This being an intelligent article, u r not EXPECTED to offer any valuable comment but at least u can make a feeble effort.

        Better luck next time.

      • becalm says

        You are very shallow….if you have time to find fault in other religions it is because you see that fault in your own. This life is a mirror…what you see outside is a reflection of what is in you. SO please take this time to quiet your mind and look within

      • Vaibhav Gupte says

        Fools like you will always speak out like this.
        The fact is that – A Donkey never gets the taste of Sugar.

        Fate of you people is like the Donkey.

      • Virat Hindu says

        The mullas whining on this page, can you please clarify why your so called self-proclaimed Prophet Mohammed used to THIGH a 6 year old girl Ayesha and then HAVE SEX with her when she was 9?
        You guys would go ahead and justify it rather than reject it, but you feel all the good things in the world are false just because they don’t belong to Islam. You mulla pigs are useless parasites.

      • vilas says

        Ok.. It means you understands everything and knows everything about other religion..great ! If you know nothing.. then should keep mouth shut !

    • jai says

      Thank you for your accurate account of the Vedas on this topic. Please keep up the great work. I ‘ve read some great misinterpretations of our Vedas.

  1. cms says

    Let me tell you . All of you guys are giving arguments without any solid proof. Vedic religon was full of voilence and sacrifice. It was created to fullfill the lust of few manipulators called Brahmins who could not do any hard work and have not much intelligence and will to do any productive work.
    So they started fraud and created vedas.

    • proud brahmin says

      i cnt understand if peoples are unaware then why do they say anything. you must know that when the caste system was made the most intelligent ones were given the caste of brahmin, and it was not a group of manipulators, they were the one who made rules and following which the aryas became one of the successful societies in ancient time. every king in india had one brahmin, who use to guide them, if they were not intelligent how come every one believed so much on them. some of the most intelligent ones like aryabhatta, chanakya, dronacharya, sapt rishi and many more every one was brahmin. even the person who predicted that gautam will become mahatma buddha was also a brahmin. if he was also a useless fellow how did he came to know about that.

          • Juber Ali says

            @Nikhil & Other Kaffirs
            You are making issue over a small thing to humiliate me. Brother, I am not a momin who can be defeated by you. I am not Allah Miya or prophet Mohamad who can not do mistakes.

      • Slim Shaikh says

        @Friends
        assalamualaikum
        If you cut the animals in Islamic way then no sin will accrue on you. AS it is a scientific way of cutting the animals. Almighty Allah himself taught this way to us through holy Quran. Allah has given us all these species of animals, flora n fauna so that we can consume them & get energy to worship him (Allah) lord of All. If someone do not eat meat he can not worship Allah in a batter way. I think everyone should consume meat. It will be the right use/respect of Allah’s mercy by which we have got so much species on earth to consume them. If anybody do not respect this & follow one’s own man made way deserve for punishment by Allah. It anybody objects on meat eating that means he has objected on Prophet Mohamad (PBUH) because prophet himself ordered/sanctioned us to consume meat & he himself consumed meat to guide us.

        • Atman says

          @ Slim shaikh..

          Why there will be no sin on me if i cut an animal in an islamic way?? and what is the islamic way btw? what is so scientific about it? what kind of strength is required to “Worship”Allah?? what kind of worship is it what requires strength from meat eating?? Zakir naik says one can be a Vegetarian and still be a good muslim! so according you you Zakir is wrong??

          • Slim Shaikh says

            @Atman / Agniveer
            ______Zakir naik says one can be a Vegetarian and still be a good muslim! so according you you Zakir is wrong??___________
            Zakir Ji is correct. But if you make objection for meat eating that means you have objected on Prophet (PBUH) & Allah teaching. Allah allowed us to eat meat in holy Quran & prophet also consumed meat. So, I mean to say Agniveer objection for meat eating is Kufra & Agniveer is preaching against Holy Quran. Agniveer deserve to be punished in Islamic court.
            http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/#comment-63421

          • Atman says

            @slim shaikh:
            Namaste brother.. you said “Zakir Ji is correct. But if you make objection for meat eating that means you have objected on Prophet (PBUH) & Allah teaching.”
            Well Brother.. if a Muslim doesnt eat meat thinking that Meat eating is not Good or that it is IMMORAL that means .. he is making something “Haram” which allah has made “Halal” :( so that means he is going against allah and mohammad any which way… even if it is for himself!… for eg. APJ Abul kalam.. he is a Vegetarian :( ..
            And you did not answer… What kind of strength is required to worship Allah that has to be obtained by eating Animals??.. and Why cutting animal in an “Islamic” way is Scientific?? How cutting an animal to eat its flesh can be scientific??

          • Slim Shaik says

            @Atman
            assalamualaikum Brother
            _________Namaste brother____________
            Firstly, Do not use word “Namaste” to greet Muslims. It is Kufra. You can say assalamualaikum.
            _________if a Muslim doesnt eat meat thinking that Meat eating is not Good or that it is IMMORAL that means—————–
            He/She is doing kufra. Like if you do not like to eat apple, no Problem but if you objects for apple eating by others that means you are wrong. If you do not like apple it is your personal matter.
            ________so that means he is going against allah and mohammad any which way… even if it is for himself!… for eg. APJ Abul kalam.. he is a Vegetarian————
            If he objects for meat eating. He acts against Islam.
            __________What kind of strength is required to worship Allah__________
            Meat makes body strong. Mind gets sharp by meat eating. Having Good mind & body is compulsory to worship Allah attentively or with concentration.
            _______and Why cutting animal in an “Islamic” way is Scientific__________
            How can you object on Allah & Prophet teaching. Do you have no faith in Allah’s words?

          • Atman says

            @Slim Shaikh
            Namaste Brother..
            ____Firstly, Do not use word “Namaste” to greet Muslims. It is Kufra. You can say assalamualaikum.______
            Firstly Just saying Namaste is no Kufra son! It is the most humble & warm way of greeting a Human being. and why allah is allergic to such minor things?? there are other things to worry about.. I am not abusing you by saying namaste!!
            _____He/She is doing kufra. Like if you do not like to eat apple, no Problem but if you objects for apple eating by others that means you are wrong. If you do not like apple it is your personal matter.____
            If I DONT like what allah has made Halal then is it not kufra, even if its personal. are you sure?? so APJ Abdul kalam who doesnt like meat and feels its immoral to eat is doing kufra??…so where the great man will go hell or heaven??
            _______Meat makes body strong. Mind gets sharp by meat eating. Having Good mind & body is compulsory to worship Allah attentively or with concentration_____
            hmmm! so eating meat makes mind sharp, somehow Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientists, doesnt agree to this!.. how stupid he is!!
            ______How can you object on Allah & Prophet teaching. Do you have no faith in Allah’s words?______
            I can object because they are utter nonsense!.. you tell me how can you and why do you accept such teaching?? what’s the basis of your belief?.. and I dont have faith in Allah.. i have faith only in things that make sense. Period. Now you tell me.. they say Allah had sent some 124000 prophets & books before Muhammad :D.. and all of them were corrupted by Humans so this time Allah sent a Final Prophet and a Book which he promised to protect!.. It took Allah 124000 Mistakes to learn!!! :(.. he is even slower than a child with Cerebral Palsy :(

  2. cms says

    Hindu religon is full of contradictions . People worship Devis and burn their daughter -in-laws, they kill girl child and but do navratra pujas .
    They say we are against nudity and sex but they worship linga and do tantra activities.

    Action shows the reality not the manipulated words and sentences.

    If you all guys are really interested in makeing revival of Hindusism pls stop praseing hindusism and start promoteing Buddhism . Because of Buddhism India is known all over the world and seen with respect. Because of hindusim everywhere people are suffering

    • proud brahmin says

      hey cms, your all allegations are foul. you must know that there is no nudity in hinduism. you said we offer prayer to linga, but you must know that linga to which we pray is a vedic word and it means the symbol of the supreme god, and not what you are thinking in nude sense. even in tantra activity there is no sexuality, but some kukarmi started it to fulfill there sexual desires and said it is a tantra activity. and even mahatma buddha was a hindu and he was never against hindus. give me one example in which country hindus are seen with insult.

    • says

      Fool Linga is not what ur interpreting in a language u know.Lingam in sanskrit means an endless infinite pwer (Shiva).Linga doesn’t mean a sex organ.Sex organ in sanskrit is “Shashnam”.Things are to be read in Sanskrit not in a language u speak everyday.U ignorant fool.Vedas never asked ppl to kill women, never asked women to be subjugated.PPl did it and they r wrong.
      Why blme religion for it.

    • Kaffir786 says

      LINGAM IS NOT PHALLIC SYMBOL that is clearly mentioned in the LINGA PURANA AND SKANDA PURANA.

      he Lingam Purana states:

      प्रधानं प्रकृतिर यदाहुर्लिगंउत्तम ।
      गंध-वर्ण-रसहिंनं शब्द-स्पर्शादिवर्जितं ॥

      meaning:

      the foremost Lingam which is devoid of colour, taste, hearing, touch etc is spoken of as Prakriti or nature.

      The nature itself is a Lingam (or symbol) of Shiva. When we see nature, we infer the presence of its creator – Shiva. Shiva Lingam is the mark of Shiva the creator, Shiva the sustainer and Shiva the destructor. It also dispels another myth in which Shiva is considered only as a destructor.

      Another authentic reference comes from Skanda Purana where lingam is clearly indicated as the supreme Shiva from where the whole universe is created and where it finally submerge.

      आकाशं लिंगमित्याहु: पृथ्वी तस्य पीठिका।
      आलय: सर्व देवानां लयनार्लिंगमुच्यते ॥
      (स्कन्द पुराण)

      meaning

      The endless sky (that great void which contains the entire universe) is the Linga, the Earth is its base. At the end of time the entire universe and all the Gods finally emerge in the Linga itself.

      Now this should clarify the settle the doubts once and forever.

    • hardcorehindu says

      @ cms

      every religion evolves. there are many ill-actions that have been eradicated in Hinduism. Sati, women rights, women position & stake in society has improved.

      Can you name a few from your religion?

    • amit mondal says

      as you may know dont judge the car with its driver… ya we believe in devi… but do you think being a hindu we support killing daughter in laws??? i think these type of events are beyond religion. this is mentality of human being. you can find these type of behavior even in muslims. being a doctor, i have seen lots of burn patients from both communities.

      one more thing, hindus are never against sex. we have Kamsutra, which gives you many information about healthy sex. it is against perversion, it is against sexual malpractice. without sex how can you expect that you could have born?? sex, which is worship in Hinduism is a healthy sexual practice. so first clear your concept then try to prove one wrong.

  3. A Brahmin says

    Great yaar, You made some really good points. I myself a Hindu Brahmin but most of the people have distorted the actual form of religion and always pointing that Brahmins were cruel and bad.
    I am a brahmin, teetotaler and vegetarian by birth. Nobody in my family stops me from being non-vegetarian of drinking liquor but i just follow my heart.
    Most of the people are unaware that we become Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Sudra by our duties not by other surname.
    A sudra who really cares about religion and is a great human being is brahmin but a brahmin who is full of sins is a sudra.
    For example: Agastya Rishi and Shabri were sudra but were given and treated with high regards while Ravana was a brahmin but Still Lord Rama killed him because his deeds were not of brahmin.
    Hope people understand this simple thing..

    • says

      People definitely understand. After all it is quite logical, intuitive and rational, apart from being vetted by Shastras. However false ego and perverted priorities make them pretend as if they do not understand.

      • deepesh mishra says

        dear brother agniveer,m a brahmin from ayodhya currently residing in usa.i do eat seafood and chicken and pork.i consume alchohal on some occasions,but i condemn cow slaughtering or eating beef.i dont worship any particular hindu deiti but worship asupreme power.so am i deviated from a path of hinduism?

        • Cannibal 3 says

          Dear Deepesh Mishra,

          I am a Cannibal from(it doesn’t matter). I eat all kinds of flesh mostly of Humans. I too dont worship any particular Hindu deity but worship a supreme power. So am i deviated from a path of hinduism?

          • deepesh mishra says

            Listen brother dont go judgin all the way ,i served in indian army for 6 years ,thus servin my country and hinduism.i have also worked for red cross.i asked guidance from the agniveer dude coz he seemed to have a depth in hinduism. Cannibal piece of crap

          • Cannibal 3 says

            —Listen brother dont go judgin all the way —
            I am not judging anything.

            — served in indian army for 6 years ,thus servin my country and hinduism. i have also worked for red cross.—
            Appreciate, but what its got to do with eating meat?

            —i asked guidance from the agniveer dude coz he seemed to have a depth in hinduism.—
            If you believe that he has immense knowledge you might be knowing his/vedic stance on Animal rights? do you?

            —Cannibal piece of crap—
            hmm, it seems i striked the right chord? Why do you got irritated? What’s the difference between eating an animal’s flesh or eating a human’s flesh?

        • Rahul Jaiswal says

          You must not eat meats, more better to say any sort of rajas or tamas food because it is forbidden in our all books because it creates passion and darkness in our mind, where passion and darkness are rajas and tamas. And for drinking, it is both rajas and tamas and Garuda Purana states that “he who consumes alcohol and makes others to the same, is bound to drink fire (lava) in hell.

        • Sami says

          You are not working as a priest though Brahmin, so I would not necessarily expect you to be a vegetarian in your current profession. There are Hindus who eat meat other than beef. Beef Hindus avoid even those who eat meat avoid beef in the same way Jews and Muslims do not eat pork. Not all Hindu jatis abstain from meat. There has always been a dietary range. You are within the Hindu diaspora. There are many Hindus (non-priest profession) who eat fish, chicken and lamb who are very devout, pray every day, devoted to God, etc…

  4. Brahmin says

    The person who posted against brahmin and says support Buddhism is a Dalit fool who has been raised with venom against brahmins.They belong to Ambedkar sect and little do they know that Babasaheb Rao Ambedkar himself adopted a brahmin surname "Ambedkar" when one Marathi brahmin by name "Ambedkar" helped him in every way and fed him.These ungrateful people are real vermins in India and Vedic warriors like Agniveer should quell their evil.

  5. Raveena says

    Dear Agni, as much as I was relief to read your article on 'no' animal sacrifices in the vedas, i have questions which i hope you can enlighten me. My knowledge is not that good so please pardon my ignorance.

    Am i right to say that the vedas was revealed to many Rishis from all over and the message received was the same? I learnt that about 420 rishis heard 'God's' words (vibrations). That is why hindus took the vedas as the final scripture because it was consistent and true?

    I had asked a scholar the question on animal sacrifice in the vedas and his reply was the following;

    "The vedas was revealed to not one but a few hundred 'rishis' or scholars. So how can these few hundred scholars unanimously state the same thing if it wasn't the truth? The information was consistent from all over. Which indicates that yes animal sacrifice is permitted in the vedas provided on how the ritual was carried on. There is even the mantras to chant to relieve the animal from it's state to a better birth after it's death.

    If it was just revealed to one man, then we can assume that his lineage had probably misinterpreted it wrongly.
    But the fact that few hundred scholars received the same message, so how do we deny that animal sacrifice is not stated in the vedas? Wasn't it documented later but practised earlier on?

    How did the Ashvamedha sacrifice happen in Ramayana?

    Did they got it all wrong too?

    I know the oldest veda is the Rig Veda. How many Rishis actually came up with the Yajur veda, especially on the animal sacrifice bit?

    Please advise. Would really want to have your views on it. It would be really helpful to my fellow friends who are faithfully holding on to knowledge passed on. I guess in religion, logic does not play a part in it.

    • says

      Dear Raveena,
      Am glad that you have such curiosity about Vedas. Here are brief answers to your questions (for further details, kindly mail me at [email protected])
      1. As per evidence from Shatpath Brahman and Manu Smriti, the 4 Vedas were initially revealed to 4 Rishis – Agni, Vayu, Aditya and Angira. Each Rishi received revelation of 1 Ved each. These Rishis then transmitted this knowledge to other Rishis. These Rishis then devised a method of Path so that even till this date Vedas are available in exactly same form as during inception of civilization. To know more on this, please read: <a href="http://www.satyavidya.org/must-read/unchangeable-…” target=”_blank”>http://www.satyavidya.org/must-read/unchangeable-
      2. No mantra in Vedas refer to any form of animal sacrifice. All those mantras which are alleged to have animal sacrifice, can be easily proved to mean something else, if we look at context and root meanings of the words, as used in ancient texts of grammar and vocabulary. Many of these come from misinterpretation from translations of Sayana and Mahidhar who were born in around 15th century. These translations were then publicized by western indologists. But if you look at ancient translations, and references in other books like Shatpath, Nirukta, Nighantu etc, one can easily understand the truth.
      3. Please read my post, Ashwamedha means efforts to make nation better and has nothing to do with horse.
      4. The Ramayan we get today is a much interpolated text. Many verses have been added later on and that can be checked with a close scrutiny. In fact, except Vedas, there are hardly an texts which can be claimed to be available in same original form, thanks to thousand years of darkness, misrule and foreign invasions. So Ramayana and Mahabharat are not to be considered final authority in matters of Dharma. The Uttar Ramayan, which contains the reference to Ashwamedha, can be proved to be a later addition by even a layman.
      That is why I specifically focused only on Vedas. My challenge is open to everyone – cite me one single mantra from Vedas that justify animal-killing. Most people merely give a set of english translations from Griffith or Max Muller. But that is not sufficient. Let us instead check out each word of mantra and find out the logical meaning, instead of assuming that any translator of Vedas is a Rishi.

      • Rakeshh Chnadrra says

        Pranam Agniveer JI,

        First of all thankful greetings about enlightening people on Vedas and clearing doubts on Vedic Scriptures.

        This is regarding Animal Sacrifice it is very much correct as per Srimad Bhagvatam, According to Srimad Bhagvatam animal Sacrifice was meant to check up the sacrifice is going correct or not and animals use to sacrifice immdiately they promoted to heavenly planets or new body but it was helping and promote them for higher life. But not for eating or any selfish manner. But all this was happening for welfare of citizne so that they get regular supply from responsible demigods.

        There are so many instance Prithu Maharaj or Yudhistir Maharaj and so many.

        But it was allowed only for certain yugas but not for Kalyuga because to perform all this yagna to require great qualification.

    • says

      Dear Raveena, Am glad that you have such curiosity about Vedas. Here are brief answers to your questions (for further details, kindly mail me at a[email protected]) 1. As per evidence from Shatpath Brahman and Manu Smriti, the 4 Vedas were initially revealed to 4 Rishis – Agni, Vayu, Aditya and Angira. Each Rishi received revelation of 1 Ved each. These Rishis then transmitted this knowledge to other Rishis. These Rishis then devised a method of Path so that even till this date Vedas are available in exactly same form as during inception of civilization. To know more on this, please read: http://www.satyavidya.org/must-read/unchangeable-… 2. No mantra in Vedas refer to any form of animal sacrifice. All those mantras which are alleged to have animal sacrifice, can be easily proved to mean something else, if we look at context and root meanings of the words, as used in ancient texts of grammar and vocabulary. Many of these come from misinterpretation from translations of Sayana and Mahidhar who were born in around 15th century. These translations were then publicized by western indologists. But if you look at ancient translations, and references in other books like Shatpath, Nirukta, Nighantu etc, one can easily understand the truth. 3. Please read my post, Ashwamedha means efforts to make nation better and has nothing to do with horse. 4. The Ramayan we get today is a much interpolated text. Many verses have been added later on and that can be checked with a close scrutiny. In fact, except Vedas, there are hardly an texts which can be claimed to be available in same original form, thanks to thousand years of darkness, misrule and foreign invasions. So Ramayana and Mahabharat are not to be considered final authority in matters of Dharma. The Uttar Ramayan, which contains the reference to Ashwamedha, can be proved to be a later addition by even a layman. That is why I specifically focused only on Vedas. My challenge is open to everyone – cite me one single mantra from Vedas that justify animal-killing. Most people merely give a set of english translations from Griffith or Max Muller. But that is not sufficient. Let us instead check out each word of mantra and find out the logical meaning, instead of assuming that any translator of Vedas is a Rishi.

      • Raveena says

        Thank you so much Agni. Your information is very enlightening. I can't understand why people are still holding on to such myth and claim that those who oppose their view are considered the 'new age' hindus. I am glad that there are scholars like you who are revealing the truth to the public. I am glad that you are on facebook. At least your messages can reach far and wide about the myth of the vedas. God Bless!

  6. chicken says

    Zakir Naik is an idiot! he doesn't know anything about anything and his half of the speech looks like chapter no xx verse no xx.

  7. Siva says

    Hi Agniveer,

    I feel offended on talks about hinduism by Dr.Zakir Naik in youtube. I couldn't find any rebuttals on his claims in youtube. Is it possible to load rebuttal clips on youtube base on his talk. This will help us to see what the vedas actually means from the point of a practitioner.

  8. x2_in says

    Rigveda, Manusmiriti sanction beef-eating
    A recent photograph of some Hindu protesters demanding a ban on non-vegetarian food in restaurants and government canteens in India made me sit up and take notice. I believe that these protesters are ignorant of what their religion preaches. They are simply going against their own religious scriptures.

    Most of the world religions sanctify offering of animals in sacrifice including Hinduism. Hindu scriptures are witnesses to such sacrifices and killings of animals for consumption. References of such commands are replete in Hindu scriptures like Manusmriti, Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmins, Grihsutras, Dharmasutras and others.

    This column would not suffice for quoting all such references but a few from different scriptures are imperative to bring home the point and clear the misconceptions:
    Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”

    Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.

    Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.”
    Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”
    Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
    Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
    Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.”

    Also, comments of some great scholars of Hinduism are also worth noting:
    • Hinduism’s greatest propagator Swami Vivekanand said thus: “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”. (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanand, vol.3, p. 536).
    • Mukandilal writes in his book ‘Cow Slaughter – Horns of a Dilemma’, page 18: “In ancient India, cow-slaughter was considered auspicious on the occasions of some ceremonies. Bride and groom used to sit on the hide of a red ox in front of the ‘Vedi’ (alter).”
    • A renowned scholar of scriptures Dr. Pandurang Vaman Kane says, “Bajsancyi Samhita sanctifies beef-eating because of its purity”. (Dharmashastra Vichar Marathi, page 180)
    • Adi Shankaracharya’ commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : ‘Odan’ (rice) mixed with meat is called ‘Mansodan’. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers ‘Uksha’. ‘Uksha’ is used for an ox, which is capable to produce semen.
    • The book ‘The History and Culture of the Indian People’, published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Bombay and edited by renowned historian R.C.Majumdar (Vol.2, page 578) says: “this is said in the Mahabharat that King Rantidev used to kill two thousand other animals in addition to two thousand cows daily in order to give their meat in charity”.

    It seems a great majority of the followers of Hinduism are not in contact with their religious scriptures thus falling an easy prey to the fascist forces like the Sangh Parivar who have nothing to offer to the Indian society save hatred. And all Indians know where these hatred-mongers are taking India to?
    ¯ Avtar Gill
    [email protected]

    • says

      Dear Friend, You are in fools paradise. Proof from ManuSmriti is already provided in the article. Proofs from Vedas also are there. You are quoting either from translations of western indologists or interpolated shlokas of Smriti and other texts. Perhaps you are copy-pasting from some Dr Naik site. We shall reply to this nonsense soon in future. Meanwhile you can read 4 Vedas with translations at <a href="http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/” target=”_blank”>http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/

      Further, Maansa means pulp and not necessarily meat. Aamra Mansam means pulp of mango. Or do you think Mango is a meat?

      The Rantidev story is completely misinterpreted. The final authority in Dharma is 4 Vedas. And as proved in article, there is punishment upto death for those killing cow!

      • kranti says

        Mr. Anand go to http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_3/vol_3_frame.htm ——>’Lectures from Colombo to Almora’—->’Reply to the Address of Welcome at Madura’ there u will find Mr. Vivekananda’s comments on beef eating.
        “There was a time in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin could remain a Brahmin; you read in the Vedas how, when a Sannyasin, a king, or a great man came into a house, the best bullock was killed “-Vivekananda

        • GOD IS GREAT says

          Swami Vivekananda did not knew much about Vedas. Actually, during his time, Max Muller was considered base. So, Vivekananda was moved by his works. Since, he was under favour of Western indologists, he thought Vedas to be beef supporter. Vivekananda was actual supporter of Upanishads. By Vedic teaching, he meant Upanishads. He did not quote from 4 Veda Samhitas but quoted from many Upanishads though; which he called Vedanta. In one of his books, he mentions Anta means ultimate. Vedanta is ultimate book of Vedas. He repeatedly says Upanishads much superior to Vedas. He gave credits to 4 fundamental Advaita statements: तत्त्वमसि, सर्व खल्विदं ब्रह्म, अयं आत्मा ब्रह्म, प्रज्ञानं ब्रह्म। He misinterpretted Upanishads as Vedas many times which is clearly seen. Why only Vivekanand, works of Shankaracharya and Manu Smriti too were interpolated to indicate beef. Nevertheless, Vedas do not promote beef eating. Those who think that Vedas promote beef does not know the truth.

          • GOD IS GREAT says

            Vedas seem generic bcoz many people quote Shlokas from some other book and call them Vedic.

            Example: ISKON & Brahmakumaris are 2 brands in India. They both refer some other books and conclude that as Vedic teaching. There is a video by Prabhupaad (who arrogantly calls himself BhaktiVedanta Swami) & his followers who say that Vedas promote geocentric views. They even show scientists proving – Sun moves around earth; quote Shlokas (which they called Vedic) to prove that eclipses r formed by some Rahu demon. Interestingly, these Shlokas are from Bhagwat Puran NOT from Vedas. They quoted another Shloka and showed its resemblance with geography – that was Mahabharata. I don’t know what has Mahabharata and Bhagwat Puran to do with Vedic Shlokas. They add that modern science won’t match with Vedas bcoz Vedas were written 3000 year ago & modern science is recent evolved. Only Puranas were written 3000 years ago NOT Vedas. The video is on youtube. You can see that. Brahmakumaris (who arrogantly call themselves Prajaapita) quote from Linga Puran and say – GOD is phallus. They say – this is Vedic view. Then they quote from Bible and Quran concluding GOD resides in sky. They even said – Vedas agree with this. There are many such jokers. These 2 did gr8 job by spreading Indian culture to rest of the world though but many things said by them are Non Vedic.

    • Madhu says

      There are many who specialise in distorting Hindu scriptures. Many muslims, Christians and anti-Hindus fill the web with their lies. You quote yajnavalkya but the passage clearly says cows etc should not be kiiled eaten etc!! Yajnavalkya says the opposite, why? That is the question. Not that it is allowed!

      Many other verses you quote are distorted too. Manu and other smirithis forbid killing animals to eat but as part of yajna (worship only) if offered it tis wrong to refuse to eat. That is not to fill the stomah for hunger! That is forbidden. There is a difference between yajna offering and killing for dinner! Usually people do not follow this big difference and write books ignorantly!

      Hindus scriptures forbid killing for hunger if one wants to follow a higher satvic life. Eating animals carries demerit for all except in yajna offerings. Even that is not done nowadays!

      • Vik says

        @Madhu

        namaste sister,

        sister, I disagree with u partly there, u said animal killing is forbidden for eating, that is true, but u said animal killing is allowed for yajna, that is false. Under any circumstances, Vedas calls for compassion on all animals, so u cannot kill any animal regardless for food or yajna sacrifice.

      • Arya says

        @Madhu
        Sister, give proofs from Vedas in your support. And if you want to sacrifice, why dont you kill your own son/daughter or yourself? When eating flesh leads human to lower Tamasik states, then how can such a Tamasik food be offered in Yajna?

          • Arya says

            Namaste Brother Om Jai Jagdish
            They are those who learn their history from the Griffiths and Mullers, and who prefer to call their ancestors as looters, rapists, and invaders (Aryan Invasion). In fact they like to hate everything belonging to their culture and sometimes refuse to accept the existence of their own ancestors (Ram and Krishna). This way, you have rightly answered yourself that they are …. who dont want to be called as legitimate!

      • Arya says

        @Madhu
        One of the synonyms of Yajna as in Nirukta is Adhwara – Dhwara means an act involving Himsa. Adhwara means an act without any Himsa. Adhwara has been used in all the 4 Vedas several times. So Yajna should be free from any violence as per Vedas. Sister, we have already degraded our beautiful Dharm to the lowest level due to our ignorance. Lets now lift it up rather than sticking to these foolish and barbaric customs.

        • Vik says

          @Arya

          thanks brother Arya, lets all continue to educate each other, and hopefully we will be able to enlighten the world with the light of the Vedas.

          • Arya says

            @Vik
            Namaste brother,
            Brother, this is all wisdom of Rishis, nothing from my side. Agniveerji has cleared many such doubts of our minds. So all credit goes to him.
            By the way, dont you think we all should be in touch with each other 24X7. We all- Vik, SDC, Aman, Jagdish, Satya Sanatan, Vande Matram, Proud Kafir, RH, Siva, Anand, Dharma, Arya, and all such brothers, who are active here to defend Vedic Dharm, can contact Agniveerji through email and help him turn this one man show into a full fledged movement.

          • Vik says

            @Arya

            Namaste Brother;

            Sure, this would be an excellent idea, we should all defend our holy Vedas against threats of evil cults. I am surely with you on this one.

    • Rakeshh Chnadrra says

      Dear really you need to read scritpures carefully.

      According to Bhagvatam Rantidev was not taking his meal before feed to anyone. In one pastime he was about to die but he was ready to offer his food (Offered Veg Food) to Candala (Dog eater). He was great devotee of Lord and where you saying that he was offering meat of cow to everyone.

      See Sanskrit word have lots of meaning and you should follow proper teacher who guide you well!

      Like if you are studying 1 st standared and want to understand 10th Subject you have to wait for your turn with proper teacher.

      Again those who are writing are fools and hypocrite and don’t understand the meaning of sastra. because of this Lord Budhha appeared and stop all this misconception of killing animals.

  9. Sunil says

    Great Articles from Agniveer.

    I have seen people commenting in abusive language without identifying themselves. Isn't that enough to understand their class!

    Carry on Agniveer, Godspeed!

  10. R-H says

    Hi Agniveer,

    I have read most of your posts and started reading satyartha prakash.
    But I have one doubt.

    It is stated that Vedas are apourusheya(not created by man)!! Then the question is who created Vedas???
    In his writings Dr.Ambedkar has stated that there are multiple answers available as to who created Vedas(somewhere its stated as Agni, somewhere Skhamba, in Satapatha Brahmana its prajapathi, in Vedas its Indra who created Vedas!!!).. I am very much confused!!!
    The link for Ambedkars Riddle(2-6) is:

    http://www.ambedkar.org/riddleinhinduism/21A1.Rid

    Can you please answer this riddle????

    • Rasamandal das says

      No discussion on Vedic knowledge is complete without reference to Bhagvad-gita and Srimad-bhagvatam. While Bhagvad-gita was spoken by Lord Krsna on the battlefield of Kurukshetra and Srimad-bhagvtam was compiled by Vyasadev about 5000 years ago. The source of Vedas and purpose of Vedas is mentioned in these scriptures. The first verse of Srimad-bhagvatam states the origin of Vedic knowledge as reproduced below:

      • Rasamandal das says

        O my Lord, Sri Krsna, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Sri Krsna because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmäjé, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Sri Krsna, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth – Srimad Bhagvatam 1.1.1

    • says

      Namaste

      I would try to answer the confusions presented by Dr Ambedkar in a subsequent post. But in summary, his views are based on shallow writings of western indologists coupled with a general hatred towards a caste-dominated society. Dr Ambedkar had his political stand based on hatred against Brahmins and thus at times he deliberated ignored to highlight the fact that birth-based caste discrimination is a recent distortion and not as per original Vedic teachings. Thus it served his purpose to cast unnecessary doubts on origin of Vedas. But fact is that Vedas are the only texts available without distortions and predating every other literature.

    • Arya says

      Dear brother, namaste

      According to Vedas themselves, the knowledge, which Eeshvar possesses is vedas. In the starting of a new Srishti (universe), Eeshvar enlightens the souls of some purest of the people with his knowledge. These enlightened souls are the first rishis which propagate this knowledge further. According to Brahman granthas, Manusmriti, and Swami Dayanand, the four rishis in the starting of this present universe were-Agni, Vayu, Aditya, and Angira. Thus these four rishis were receiver and propagator of Vedas but not the creator.

      As far as the question of creation of Vedas is concerned, it is clear that Vedas are nitya (eternal), and have not been created by anyone. But of course it is a property of Eeshvar. As there is no starting or creation of Eeshvar, there is no starting or creation of Vedas. In the words of Vedic Philosophy, Knowledge is a Guna (property) and Eeshvar is its Guni(the one which owns the property). Hence Eeshvar along with his property Knowledge(Vedas) is eternal. However some places we find Eeshvar as the creator of Vedas, is only from soul's point of view. Because in our frame of reference it seems that Vedas are created in the beginning of universe. But it is actually the enlightenment of Vedas for us and not the creation.

      As you said you have started reading Satyarth Prakash, then you must be knowing that Agni, Indra, Prajapati, etc have also been used for Eeshvar and hence there is no contradiction.
      Hope it will help you get out of the confusion brother.

  11. Rasamandal das says

    With regard to consumption of meat following is mentioned in the Bhagavad-gita:

    Even the food each person prefers is of three kinds, according to the three modes of material nature. The same is true of sacrifices, austerities and charity. Now hear of the distinctions between them.
    Foods dear to those in the mode of goodness increase the duration of life, purify one’s existence and give strength, health, happiness and satisfaction. Such foods are juicy, fatty, wholesome, and pleasing to the heart.
    Foods that are too bitter, too sour, salty, hot, pungent, dry and burning are dear to those in the mode of passion. Such foods cause distress, misery and disease.

    Food prepared more than three hours before being eaten, food that is tasteless, decomposed and putrid, and food consisting of remnants and untouchable things is dear to those in the mode of darkness.Bhagvad-gita 17-7-10

    Since the Vedic knowledge is holistic in nature it caters to the requirement of all the human beings governed by the three modes of material nature – goodness, passion and ignorance.

  12. says

    You write "the Vedas – contain all the inhuman elements like denigration of women, meat-eating, polygamy, casteism and above all – beef eating."

    This seems to say that beef eating is worse than the denigration of women. I know beef eating is terrible but we shouldn't try yo make it look as though cows are more important than women. The subjugation of women in any society is a terrible crime and insinuating that beef eating is worse does not come across well to many people.

    • says

      Dear Sister, Refer to the article on Women in Vedas. As per Vedas, women are in fact more important than men in society.

      The purpose of my sentence was not with reference to comparison between the various inhuman elements. Instead, the purpose of sentence is elaborated a pare below – that 'no-beef' is a unique characteristic of Hindu/ vedic dharma. Thus attacking this characteristic strikes strongest blow to identity of a Hindu. I am referring to intent of those who create such mispropaganda.

      Coming to your point on women and cow, let me make very clear – Vedas regard Cow as animal, and not a divine representation. The reason Vedas prohibit cow slaughter is out of compassion for all living beings. The reason why specific focus is put on cow is its health, economic and environmental value that is unmatched.

      As for women, Vedas consider them more important than every other living creature on earth. Because human is the best creation and women are better among humans. The reason for this is not a bias towards women, but based on facts – that women sustain the society and create legends out of ordinary humans. Women are first teachers and women exhibit highest levels of tolerance that is so critical for survival of civilization. A society where women are educated becomes strong. A women where women are uneducated becomes barbaric. If all men die suddenly, still society would survive because many women would have children in their wombs. If all women die suddenly, the world would perish.

      Thus a Veda follower can no way even imagine subjugation of women or considering them lower than anything in world.

      The limited point of my words in article was that beef-eating is most important differentiator for contemporary Hindus and hence antagonists try to prove beef in Vedas among other bad things.

  13. R-H says

    @CMS…

    You said: "They say we are against nudity and sex but they worship linga and do tantra activities. …
    pls stop praseing hindusism and start promoteing Buddhism . …"

    I guess you are thinking that buddhism is full of good things and even Ambedkar when talking about buddhism only considers good part of Buddhism , but while talking about Hinduism he refers to unauthentic books like tantras , upapuranas..etc..

    Now please do some research on Vajrayana Buddhism…
    Many buddhists(vajrayana) are claiming that Tantra started from Buddhism.. If that is true then
    what all you talk on hinduism considering Tantra is the fault of buddhists..
    It means that these buddhists are the culprits who brought all these…

    The vajrayana(Buddhism) includes the consumption of meat and alchohol, and ‘sexuality’

    http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art20763.asp.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra_techniques_(V

  14. Madhu** says

    You say that In Vedic ritual of Ashvamedha yagna, Horses were not sacrified ..

    But dr. Shekar in the below link has provided full details about the whole rituals which take place during the Ashwamedha Yagna..and how dogs and horses were offered in the yagna..

    Its a shame that we dont accept our ancestors faults..

    http://dmrsekhar.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/as

  15. Madhu** says

    Hi All,

    Agniveer says In Vedic ritual of Ashvamedha yagna, Horses were not sacrified ..

    But dr. Shekar in the below link has provided full details about the whole rituals which take place during the Ashwamedha Yagna..and how dogs and horses were offered in th yagna..

    Its a shame that we dont accept our ancestors faults..

    http://dmrsekhar.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/as

    –Madhu (Speak the truth,even if it hurts)

    • Vik says

      @Slave for Islam

      kid, let me tell you one bitter truth. We are the true muslims not you, and you are the real KAFIR. Inshallah, you will accept the true ISLAM one day. For now, go do some research you ignorant KAFIR.

  16. Madhu** says

    Hi All,

    Agniveer says In Vedic ritual of Ashvamedha yagna, Horses were not sacrified ..

    But dr. Shekar in the below link has provided full details about the whole rituals which take place during the Ashwamedha Yagna..and how dogs and horses were offered in th yagna..

    Its a shame that we dont accept our ancestors faults..

    http://dmrsekhar.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/as

    –Madhu (Speak the truth,even if it hurts)

  17. Madhu** says

    Hi All, Agniveer says In Vedic ritual of Ashvamedha yagna, Horses were not sacrified .. But dr. Shekar in the below link has provided full details about the whole rituals which take place during the Ashwamedha Yagna..and how dogs and horses were offered in th yagna.. Its a shame that we dont accept our ancestors faults.. http://dmrsekhar.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/as… –Madhu (Speak the truth,even if it hurts)

  18. Aman Jha says

    @Madhu
    Copy-Pasting the same content won't solve any purpose. Kindly go through all the comments & explanations to clear your doubts!!!!
    And beware of self-declared Vedic-Experts who merely base their work on the Western-Indologists . Even I came through one similar article in The Hindustan Times in 2002 or so, written by some D.N Jha , a DU professor in history

  19. Anand says

    There is some great misunderstanding being propogated by the enthusiasm of Mr. Angniveer and some of his detractors like this Avtar Gill.
    First of all it's idiotic to compare Hinduism with any other religion,let alone prosetelyzing religions like Buddhism, Christianity and Islam.
    This was the fundamental mistake made by all our saints in 13th century onwards while going into a dialogue with experts of other ( mainly prosetelyzing and aggressive ones) religions.
    Hinduism's scriptures are not like Bible or Koran. Or like Ten commandments. They are not prescriptive, but are descriptive.
    If there are few verses which tell us about cow slaughter, they do not become a commandment for the Hindu people.

    • Vik says

      @Anand

      There is not even a single verse of cow slaughter, forget cows, not even animals. Vedas call for compassion on all animals.

    • Arya says

      @Anand
      Brother, its sad to read your comment. This is the problem with most of hindus that they are ready to accept anything in the name of religion even if it is a self contradictory scripture or full of errors. Can you tell me what misunderstanding has been propagated by Agniveerji? Can you provide even a single mantra from vedas which allows animal slaughter forget about cow? Why do you think that Vedas should contain both types of mantras? Should false be also included with truth in order to call a book complete?
      What do you mean by Hinduism books? Except some books, they contain all types of errors. Only Vedas can be considered as free from errors. Vedas are prescriptive when they say, do not kill animals and they are descriptive when they say why should you not kill. Vedas are indeed the commandments for the people and you can not question it until you come up with any mistake in those.

  20. Anand says

    People like Avtar Gill will not like to look thousands of Shlokas suggesting us to not to kill animals, but will dance with joy with fringe ones which he mentions. Why? The reason is obvious. His target is not Mr. Agniveer, but RSS. And why? No reason at all. Just because RSS exists, Mr. Gill is against it. He thinks that Hindu's have no right to unify. He thinks that organizing Hindu people is a crime. He is quick to brand them Fascist. I do not know whether Mr. Gill even knows what that term means.
    If people belonging to a non prosetelyzing, non aggressive culture want to unite to address their own issues, what is Mr. Gill's problem? Hindu's are not going to attack any other nation or religion. History books are filled with the horrific atrocities Hindu's have faced with the hands of foreign invaders. May be Mr. Gill should shed his pseudo Marxist crap, understand that there is no Berlin wall and stop Hindu hating.

    • Aman Jha says

      I am absolutely in sync with Anand.

      If you abuse and condemn the hindu(read:vedic) faith you become progressive.. and if you defend this beautiful and tolerant faith, you are termed as communal and fascist.

      Actually this is how the brand of politics propagated by these Pseudo-Secularists, has flourished. And innocent people have fallen prey to it.

  21. Balamurali says

    I am well aware that all the Hindus of Kerala except Brahmin's eat Beef, and beef was eaten by Dravidian too; I had to search the basic Hindu religious book to find the following:

    Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”

    Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.

    Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.”
    Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”
    Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
    Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
    Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.”

    Also, comments of some great scholars of Hinduism are also worth noting:
    · Hinduism’s greatest propagator Swami Vivekanand said thus: “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”. (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanand, vol.3, p. 536).
    · Mukandilal writes in his book ‘Cow Slaughter – Horns of a Dilemma’, page 18: “In ancient India, cow-slaughter was considered auspicious on the occasions of some ceremonies. Bride and groom used to sit on the hide of a red ox in front of the ‘Vedi’ (alter).”
    · A renowned scholar of scriptures Dr. Pandurang Vaman Kane says, “Bajsancyi Samhita sanctifies beef-eating because of its purity”. (Dharmashastra Vichar Marathi, page 180)
    · Adi Shankaracharya’ commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : ‘Odan’ (rice) mixed with meat is called ‘Mansodan’. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers ‘Uksha’. ‘Uksha’ is used for an ox, which is capable to produce semen.
    · The book ‘The History and Culture of the Indian People’, published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Bombay and edited by renowned historian R.C.Majumdar (Vol.2, page 578) says: “this is said in the Mahabharat that King Rantidev used to kill two thousand other animals in addition to two thousand cows daily in order to give their meat in charity”.

    • Arya says

      @Balamurali
      Seems you were so busy with your Murali that you did not even read the page, which you are commenting on. Read, what has been written above-
      Claim: Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
      Fact: The mantra states that in winter, the rays of sun get weakened and then get strong again in spring. The word used for sun-rays in ‘Go’ which also means cow and hence the mantra can also be translated by making ‘cow’ and not ‘sun-rays’ as the subject. The word used for ‘weakened’ is ‘Hanyate’ which can also mean killing. But if that be so, why would the mantra go further and state in next line (which is deliberately not translated) that in spring, they start regaining their original form.

      How can a cow killed in winter regain its health in spring? This amply proves how ignorant and biased communists malign Vedas.

      Regarding Rig 6/17/1, there is the word "Gavyam", which are five in numbers according to Aayurved-cow's milk, curd, butter, Mutra and Apashisht. Where does the flesh come into the picture Bala Saheb? Mantra clearly says that the king should be well built through Saatvik bhojan like Ghrit, so that he can defend his country and kill the monsters.

      And you forgot that the title of the article is "there is no beef in VEDAS". Why are you talking of Manu, Yajnavalkya etc? And giving quotes of the likes of Vivekanand about Vedas are as useless as the comment given by a fool, on a page, which he has never read!

  22. says

    Dear Agniveer,

    Is this correct ? Is there animal sacrifice in Vedas?. , Please write the verse and its correct translation.

    The Rig Veda has several very clear references to animal sacrifices.
    In a reference to the sacrifice of a goat it says (1.162.2) “The dappled goat goes straight to heaven, bleating to the place dear to Indra and to Pusan.”
    In one of the hymns to the horse (1.162.9-11) it says,
    “What part of the steed’s flesh the fly does not eat or is left sticking to the post or hatchet, or to the slayer’s

          • says

            Thanks Brother,
            I am a Tamilian, SO Hindi/Sanskrit are far away from me. ( I am learning Sanskrit Now (Self)).
            is it possible for you to translate those 2 versus for me . — Please ..

          • Arya says

            @sss
            Brother, will definitely give the translation but for now being, just want to tell you that the Sukta 162 contains Ashva Vidya (knowledge of horses, how to train and care them) and this is also known as "Ashva Medh". This word has been mistranslated by Christian translators deliberately. In Brahmin text, "Ashva Medh" has been explained as care for animals. Mantra 12 and 13 of the same sukta strictly prohibit meat eating. Hence there can not be any Mantra what so ever to suggest killing horses or others.

          • Arya says

            @sss
            Rigved 1/162/9
            O intellectuals! Kravishah- the one who tread systematically (horse)
            ashvasya- of that horse
            yat- for
            riptam- the dung
            makshika aash- which Fly eats,
            yat swadhitou swarou- which makes the horse feel uncomfort
            shamituh- who does Yajna (yajna means any act which is done for others and not for self)
            Hastayoh- in his hands
            nakheshu asti- also in his nails
            taa sarva- all that knowledge which he possesses of keeping clean and training the horses
            deveshu api astu- this knowledge should be possessed by all noble people too.

            So the message of the Mantra is- "All the people should keep their horses clean from any impurity so that insects like Flies dont annoy them and they serve you better"

            I want to ask you, which word in this Mantra means flesh and which means slayer?

            Regarding 1/162/2, which word in it gives the meaning goat?

            Brother, all the translations of Maxmuller, Griffith, Mcdonald, Wilson, are based on either Saayan or Mahidhar. Mahidhar was the first person to invent the custom of animal sacrifice in Vedas. He translated Yajna as a place of sacrifice without any reason. Any ancient Rishi has never translated it like this. This is opposite to grammar too. Yajna means the act, which is done for the betterment of others. There is no place whatsoever for such barbaric rituals in Yajna.

            I request you to read Satyarth Prakash and Rigvedaadi Bhaashya Bhoomika by Swami Dayanand and discover the real Vedas.

        • Vik says

          @Slave of Allah

          yes, we are poor, we do not get terrorist funds like you and Zakir Naik that use it to mislead people. Quran, wether in English, Arabic, Urdu, or any other language, it will always have errors and stupid contradictions.

          • Slave of Islam says

            vik @

            u people willl always blame ur decline on Muslim funds.

            u stupid “Idol worshipper”, ever muslims gives “zakat” but Kaafirs dont give.

            m sure that u also dont give single penny to this BHIKARI AGNIVEER.

            U R POOR, WILL BE POOR ONLY. HA HA HA

            IF U HAVE GUTS THAN PAY FROM UR POCKET AND SHOW ME “SATYARTH PRAKSH” IN TAMIL IN ONE YEAR. if u can show than i will become Kaafir or u become Momin / true human being ?

            do u hv guts to accept my challenge ?

          • Jason R Prasad says

            Hahaha,,,,, A Slave Calling free people (vedics, Dharmics) for a challege…how hilarious, free ur self and ur mind first my friend, get out of been a slave to the arabs,, then come and challenge our Dharma. Muslims can give all they like in “zakat”, but look at Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, Libya, bangladesh, somalia and many moore,,,, all majority muslim countries all giving “zakat”,,, yet all of these countries are considered third world and some of the most pooorest places on this planet.. where is the “zakat” going,,, i know to al quaida…. stupid muslim slaves…

            OM TAT SAT

          • Slave of Islam says

            Jason :-

            ur name suggests that u r “chisrtian” and not a vedic dharmi. u left Hindu religion because it was bad.

            i feel pride to say that i m “slave of islam” and i m a muslim. what about u ?

            u r a chrisitian and u can never follow vedas.u r lying. if that is so change ur name .

            why r u avoiding the main issue.

            CHALLENGE TO ALL FOLLOWER OF VEDAS :-

            ALL OF U TOGETHER ALSO CAN NOT PRODUCE COPY OF UR BIBLE “SATYARTH PRAKSH” IN ONE YEAR.

            Accept the challenge if u have guts. u hindus are without spine.

            i can produce Quran in any language that too for free to u.

            hahahahaha

            allah is all powerful

          • says

            @arabic_ass

            ———“ab yeh ishwar ke hi haath main hai” what is hand of ishwar?———

            Good, now read this

            “ab ye arabic_ass ke parents ke hath mein tha ki vo bachcha paida karen.”

            It means that you did not come from your mother’s womb but hands :)

          • indian_az says

            @atish, abe ulluh tujhe pata bhi hai ki baat kahan ki chal rahi hai? waise hi kood para? jab tera abba pagal power puch raha tha to kiya so raha tha? jab aryasamaji puchein to thik par jab hum tumhare guru ghantalon ke reference dein to ghalat? ullu tune aisi language boli warna main aisi language use nai karta par main parh chuka hun tere pehle comments aur main jaan gaya hun tu kitna zehrila hai? abe agni ke meaning pata hain tujhe ya wahan jakar hi samjhega?

          • says

            arabic_ass

            I did not interrupt Pagan Power because of following Quranic verse. And BTW I did not use any bad language. You wrote KalBhairav as Kallu and Pagan Power as Pagal Power, so it was just to give you taste of your own medicine. I will change your name once you apologize to them.

            Ab dekh Allah Taala ne kya farmaya hai tere liye :)

            Quran [3:7]- “He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental; they are the foundation of the Book: OTHERS ARE ALLEGORICAL. BUT THOSE IN WHOSE HEARTS IS PERVERSITY FOLLOW THE PART THEREOF THAT IS ALLEGORICAL, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:” and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.”

            This verse clearly says that Quran has to be taken literally. And those who interpret it are deceivers :(

          • Slave of Islam says

            सारे के सारे लोग सुन लो

            अल्लाह हो अकबर.

            इस्लाम का परचम फिर से हिन्दोस्तान पर लहराएगा. तुम काफिर कुछ भी नहीं कर पाओगे.

            क्या कर लिया था तुमने जब हमारे गाजियों ने सोमनाथ के मंदिर को लूटा था. हा हा हा.

            तुम हिन्दुओं की जात ही डरपोक है. इंडियन अज एक सच्चा मुसलमान है. अल्लाह का हाथ है उसके ऊपर.
            अल्लाह उसके साथ है. तुम काफिर उसका कुछ भी नहीं बिगाड़ सकते.

            अल्लाह हो अकबर.
            अल्लाह हो अकबर.
            अल्लाह हो अकबर.

          • Jason R Prasad says

            Hay Slave, stop praising your master here, if ur alla is so great then he can come and convert me now,,,,im waiting,,,still nothing,,,,still waiting………nothing…what happen, where is he, is he enjoying the 72 virgins all on his own in Jannat, i feel sorry for you all the slaves only gets allas left overs..hahah.lol, come on man, open ur eyes to the real world, what has Islam contributed to this world,,,nothing,,, what will islam give in the future,,,nothing,,what has islam done for mankind…nothing. NOT ONE SINGLE MUSLIM HERE HAS PROOVED HIS ISLAM TO BE TRUE…none till date,,u had 1000 years,, i give you another 1000 years, tell ur alla to come and convert me, this a challage to alla, what can he do……..nothing…

            OM TAT SAT

          • Najmuddin says

            Brother, vedas is 4 times bigger than Quran.. I would suggest you read through your scriptures before you comment on other scriptures…
            As vedas is 4 times bigger than Quran.. it is not so easy to read through it and understand the ancient sanscrit… Hence I suggest you many scholars have already done the comparitive study on the major religions on earth… whichever religion you feel like is genuine based on your study and analysis, will help you understand… But take time to learn the scriptures.. atleast comparitive study !!
            For us Muslims, it is mandatory to read Quran.. but still its not easy for me to completely understand the entire QUran with the busy daily activities for people like you and me…
            But atleast I spare time to read and understand through it.. I have many non-muslim friends who dont even have a scriptures(vedas or bhagwad gita) at their home.. then forget about reading thru it..
            Iam muslim because my parents are Muslims, and you are because your parents following that religion.. But for us all God is one… Hence we should try to follow the message he has sent to us.. instead fighting here without any knowledge…
            So quicky goto google and do comparitive study by both the Hindu and Muslim scholars..and try to find the commanality and the message from the both the studies…
            I hope this helps.. May Allah grant you guidance !! Ameen !!

          • Bagyaraj says

            ” I am convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganga (Ganges), – astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc.” – Voltaire
            “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.” – Einstein
            Brown, the Western scholar, opines : “Vedas paint the picture of scientific religion,
            where religion and science clap together. Vedas are based on religion, science and philosophy.” – Brown
            Mrs. Wheeler Willax, an eminent American writer, states: “We have all heard and read about the ancient religion of India. It is the land of the great Vedas, the most remarkable works containing not only religious ideals for a perfect life, but also facts which all the science has since proved true. Electricity, Radium, Electrons, Airships, all seem
            to be known to the seers who found the Vedas.” – Mrs. Wheeler Willax
            Professor Greenish of the London School of Pharmacy rightly remarked, “India, owing to the remarkable variations she possesses of climate, attitude and soil, is in a position to produce successfully every variety of medical herbs required by Europe.”
            Joccolliot, the famous writer of the West, opines candidly “Astonishing fact. The Hindu Revelation (the Veda) is of all revelations the only one whose ideas are in perfect harmony with modern science.” – Joccolliot

          • GOD IS GREAT says

            Adding some points to what Bagyaraj Sir said:

            “Access to the Vedas is the greatest privilege this century may claim over all previous centuries.”
            – Julius Robert Openheimer
            American Nuclear Physicist

            “Never compare East (India) and West (other world). East will be east always and west will be west always. West cannot match the divinity East has.”
            – Mark Twain
            American Author

            “It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending, if it is not to end in the self-destruction of the human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in human history, the only way of salvation for mankind
            is the Indian way.”
            – Arnold Joseph Toynbee
            British Author

            “India was the motherland of our race, and Sanskrit the mother of Europe’s languages; she was the mother of our philosophy; …”
            Prof. Will Durant
            American Historian

            “In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and so elevating as that of the Upanishads. It has been the solace of my life – it will be the solace of my death.”
            – Arthur Schopenhauer
            German philosopher

          • GOD IS GREAT says

            Continued
            “…Whenever I have read any part of the Vedas, I have felt that some unearthly and unknown light illuminated me. In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no touch of the sectarianism. ”
            – Henry David Thoreau
            American thinker

            “…The Hindu systems of astronomy are by far the oldest and that from which the Egyptians, Greek, Romans and – even the Jews derived from the Hindus their knowledge.”
            – Jean Sylvian Belly
            French astronomer

            “The Indian way of life provides the vision of the natural, real way of life. We veil ourselves with unnatural masks in west. ”
            – Goerge Bernard Shaw
            Oscar winner Noble Laureate

            “After a study of some forty years and more of the great religions of the world,
            I find none so perfect, none so scientific, none so philosophical and none so spiritual than the great religion known by the name of Hinduism.”
            – Annie Wood Beasant
            British theosophical society

            “Vedanta teaches that consciousness is singular, all happenings are played out in one universal consciousness and there is no multiplicity of selves.”
            – Erwin Schroedinger
            Father of Quantum Physics

            “It will no longer remain to be doubted that the priests of Egypt and the sages of Greece have drawn directly from the original well of India.”
            Friedrich Mejer (English statesman)

          • GOD IS GREAT says

            Continued…
            “Where can we look for sages like those whose systems of philosophy were prototypes of those of Greece: to whose works Plato, Thales and Pythagorus were disciples? Where do I find astronomers whose knowledge of planetary systems yet excites wonder in Europe as well as the architects and sculptors whose works claim our admiration, and the musicians who could make the mind oscillate from joy to sorrow, from tears to smile with the change of modes and varied intonation?”
            -Colonel James Todd (American pioneer)

            “The Vedas are noble documents, documents not only of value and pride to India but to the entire humanity, because in them we see man attempting to lift himself above the earthly existence.”
            – Prot Pall Thema

            “India, according to the concurrent opinion of all writers, is the most agreeable abode on earth and the most pleasant quarter of the world. Its dust is purer than air and its air is purer than purity itself.”
            Wassaf Abdulla (Muslim historian)

            “Mankind together with all sciences must have originated on the roof of the world i.e., the Himalayas”
            Immanuel Kant (German philosopher)

            “What is found in Vedas, exists nowhere else.”
            Lord Morley

            “After the latest researches into history and chronology of books of old Testaments, we may safely call the Rig Veda as the oldest book, not only of the Aryan humanity but of the whole world.”
            Rev. Morris Phillip

          • GOD IS GREAT says

            Prasad Sir,

            These slaves and asses are true jokers. Their names suits them: Ass by thinking and slave by actions.

            Let’s read this:
            “Our present knowledge of the nervous system fits in so accurately with the internal description of the human body given in the Vedas. Then the question arises whether the Vedas are really religious books or books on anatomy of the nervous system and medicine.”
            – Rele (Jewish writer)

            “I would like to believe that Hinduism is too valuable for humanity, and sacred Indian books contain too much precious and unique knowledge that it will not sink in oblivion. It’s my deep belief that without India the world will sink in spiritual darkness and ignorance.”
            – Alexander Zinovieu (Russian sociologist)

            “They were very advanced Hindu astronomers in 6000 BCE. Vedas contain an account of the dimension of Earth, Sun, Moon, Planets and Galaxies”
            Emmelien Plumret

            Most important is this:
            Islam is so unreformed there have been no real advances in art, literature, science or technology in the Muslim world in 500 years, Lord Tebbit says.
            – Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4163484.stm

            Now, can a donkey ever become horse? Can these Jokers accept truth? DEFINITELY, NEVER.

          • Apolloreach says

            @ Indian_AZ: Your question a joke… Ishwar is one of the many PERSONAL names of the IMPERSONAL “THAT” which is beyond time, space, conception and gender. I can quote verses from Rig Veda supporting this. What now?

          • indian_az says

            @apolloreach, y aryasamajis always asked this question from muslims that if Allah has no image y there is reference of Allah’s hands in quran? when we say that allah has no hands, any thing which u can compare with anything is not ALLAH, reference of Allah’s hands is an analogy, then ur brothers say no no it is Allah’s hands and it proves that Allah has hands. why you peoples have double standards? your brother pagal power is saying that y u use “he” for Allah? when i showed him from vedmandir.com using “he” for ishwar then pagal power is sleeping. you aryasamajis always play with the words.

          • Truth Seeker says

            @indian_az
            _____y u call ishwar as he______
            No matter, we can say she. He/She is does not make much difference but difference here of ideology.
            1. Why Should I believe in A Allah who is changeable?
            2. Why should I believe in A Allah who created Shaitan to misguide the people?
            3. Why should I believe in a Allah who need to speak “Kun” to do anything. Roughly saying whose will is not enough to happen any thing like Vedic God.
            4. Why should I believe in Allah who was sitting idly before this universe creation?
            5. Why should I believe in Allah who makes the people handicapped, poor etc. from their birth without any fault of their.
            Rest is here
            http://agniveer.com/5936/were-buddhists-persecuted-by-hindus/#comment-52864

          • indian_az says

            T-S, ur answer is a joke.. hahaha.
            when we say that “he Allah is one and only” then u say that y u are using HE. when i showed u from ur link then u r playing with the words. see what KB has written in the matter of maryam alaihissalam, how could u use theses kind of words for Allah? you are leaders of agniveer’saryasamaj and using such filthy and dirty language for Allah. ask forgiveness otherwise hell fire is waiting.
            “Indeed, We have warned you of a near punishment on the Day when a man will observe what his hands have put forth and the disbeliever will say, “Oh, I wish that I were dust!” http://www.quran.com/78/40
            truth siker why are u not explaining about lauh-e-mahfooz? u always say that allah is sitting on lauh e mahfooz and i have given u example where lauh e mahfooz term is used, now show me where is that verse which u always refer? also explain what do u understand by lauh-e-mahfooz?

          • Najmuddin says

            why do you believe in 100 (hundredss) thousands or even lakhs of Gods and even Godessess …. Can those Gods and Godessess have answer to you…
            Allah is All knowing, Life is the test… Rest is the Heaven or Hell..
            Allah says he has not given the burden or stress on any person that he cannot tolerate.
            Everything either poor or rich or handicapped ..All are equal before Allah…
            All other answers what was he doing before everything was not created or there… No one knows, probably you can ask him, when you meet him.. But not to forget he would have done with all reasons .. He is the All Knowing

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Najmuddin
            ____________do you believe in 100 (hundredss) thousands or even lakhs of Gods and even Godessess___________
            Whatever I believe what problem do you have! Its my personal matter.

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Najmuddin
            __________Everything either poor or rich or handicapped ..All are equal before Allah…___________
            If They are equal before Allah Why do Allah make someone poor/handicapped and others healthy & rich. Your Modern Quran Allah is partial.
            ____________He is the All Knowing___________
            If Allah is all knowing what kind of test he is taking? Will an interviewer ask question if he knows ones’ ability? No? There is no requirement of test.

          • भ्रमित says

            Truth Seeker
            नमस्कार आर्य!

            मैं समझ नही पा रहा हु कि आप चाहते क्या है? एक बार अकबर ने बीरबल को पूछा – कोई तरीका बताओ जिससे कि एक मुसलमान वैदिक ब्राह्मण बन सके। बीरबल ने कहा – कल करते है। आजका मुहूर्त सही नही। अगले दिन अकबर को बीरबल ने एक कुम्हार दिखाया जो कि गधे को नहला रहा था तथा उसकी आरती उतार रहा था। अकबर ने पूछा – ऐ कुम्हार ये क्या करते हो। कुम्हार बोला – गधे को घोडा बनाता हुँ । अकबर ने पूछा – क्या यह मुमकिन है? बीरबल बोला – क्यो नही! एक मुसलमान वैदिक ब्राह्मण हो जाए तो क्या गधा घोडा नही हो सकता? अकबर ने कहा – तुम सच कहते हो। कहाँ मुसलमान और कहाँ वेद? ( अकबर जितना बुरा था उससे 1000 गुणा अधिक बुरा होता यदि उसे बीरबल न मिलता। जितना बीरबल सुधार सकता था – उसने किया – अब वह भी एक मुसलमान को पूरा नही सुधार सकता। )

            अब आप बताए कि आप अपनी उर्जा क्यो व्यर्थ करते है? पंचतंत्र क्यो नही पढते? उसमें लिखा है – उपदेशाहि मूर्खाणां प्रकोपाय न शांतते। Slave / Hyder / Zakir Naik / Sultan / Momins etc. सुधरेंगे ? आपने यह सोचा भी कैसे? आप गधो को घोडा बनाने में अपनी शक्ति तथा समय न गवाँए! यही शक्ति सामर्थ्य शेष मनुष्यो को एक करने में लगाए। जो न तो सुधरना चाहते है न ही सुधरने वाले है उनको उपदेश क्यो? हमारा सहयोग अग्निवीर आर्य के साथ है और सदा ही रहेगा। आओ भ्राताओ, समाज को धर्म, जाति, वर्ण इत्यादि जंजीरो से मुक्ति दे और अन्धश्रद्धा, अन्धविश्वास जैसे कुरीतियो को ज्ञानाग्नि से भस्म कर दे।

            जयतु आर्यावर्त !

          • Vinay Arya says

            Dear Brahmit

            You are great.Please tell us “what is your true name?”.

            Maharshi Manu’s advice”Let a wise man not to speak to a man who just want to disturb you or does not want to know the truth,a man who does not know his language but even then he tries to do debate with him etc. etc.But let him speak to ignorants without asking.

            Hindi:vidwan ko uchit hai ki vaha aise vyaktiyo ke prashno ka uttar kabhi na de jo apako tang karane ke liye puchata ho,jo satya jaana te hue bhi asatya sikarata ho,jo satya ka parityag aur asatya ka grahan karata ho,jisaka uddeshya matra haani karana ho bina karan ke.kintu vidwan unhe bina bole hi sabakuch batayein jo satya janana chahate ho.

            Please do read my following expereience:

            I tried to do debate with a Pandit in my village.I am just 16 and half.At that time i were complete 16.I asked him if there one god or two?He sadi”humans can worship as many gods as they want”.I agains asked “sir i do not want to know that but i want to ask” how many gods are there?”He replied with anger and hatred “he is having multiple forms”. Iasked “What proof?He said nothing.Then I made him agree that there is just one God.Then I asked “if there is one God why do people worsip so many”.He replied “people can worship as many as he want”.I asked “Why?”.He said”different people have different minds”.I asked “should we not get united?”He said “we already are”.I said “we hindus are fighting with each other,many are having many devtas,so how are we one”.He said “you are just a stupid”.I asked “Please provide the proof”He went away from that place”.
            Actually,the Shastrarth took 2 hours nearly as far as iremember.I can’t write the complete one here nor i remember too much.But it looked like he was not going to agree with “We should all worship one God”.He said “your are the biggest idiot,you do not have mid,you are out of control etc. etc. etc…)Similar Guys are these(Slave,Atoze etc.)

            Then I asked a poor farmer (he was not any pandit)”How many Gods are…

          • Vinay Arya says

            Then I asked a poor farmer (he was not any pandit)”How many Gods are there”?
            He said”i do not know”.I said “this is the proof and there is only one God”.it took just two minutes.And he said yes I want to be an Arya.

            Compare the two time limits
            2 minutes vs two hours i.e.pandit took 60 times more time than the poor one.So I would have converted 60 more persons if I had not destroyed my time with the Pandit.

          • Truth Seeker says

            @भ्रमित
            Namaste brother you are correct, Today when I posted comments at IH as rebuttals of their new article “Agniveer/ Satyagni or Deceiver”. They had deleted my all comments. In which one was like this:-
            “@Musfique/Others misguided by Shaitan
            You are wrong completely & have no basis of article. Agniveer & Satyagni are true Momins aka great scholars of Islam. Agniveer/Satyagni doing great service for Islam. Have u ever looked Great Fatwas issued by Great Satyagni? For EX.
            Q. can women still be right hand possessions or willing slaves?
            Fatwa: ” Salam. Lahaul wila Kuvvat illa billa. Who is this person inspired by Satan to ask this? Women were never to be made slaves or concubines. Anyone who advocated so was himself Satan. Prophet Rehman (SAW) writes in his Hadith Noor e Haq (Light of Truth) that every woman other than your wife is like your mother. Then who the hell someone make other women as slaves? Where is it written? All those books and perverts that suggest slavery of women deserve to be burnt in public. Allah will show His wrath on those who even think of such heinous crimes. Fear Allah and repent for that how you even thought of asking such disgusting question. Repent before it is late and Allah is most merciful. And Allah knows the best! “
            http://satyagni.com/fatwa-online/

          • भ्रमित says

            Truth Seeker
            नमस्कार भ्राता !

            आपको islamhinduism ही मिला था क्या अपना मत कहने के लिए? वह तो आपको Untruth Seeker ऐसा कहता है। चाहे तो आप भी उसके नाम का अपशब्द बना सकते है किंतु उससे कुछ होगा नही। मैने दो अन्य अंतर्जाल्यक्षेत्र देख लिए है जिन्होने मुसलमानो को इस्लाम की बुराइयो से अवगत कराया है। यद्यपि यह दोनो ईसाइयो के बनाए है परंतु निष्पक्ष रुप से कुरीतियो पर प्रहार किया है। आज विश्व का प्रत्येक धर्म सुधार (reform) हो चुका है। — मुसलमानो का धर्म छोडकर – कहते है प्रत्यक्ष को प्रमाण नही चाहिए। दुनिया का कोई वैज्ञानिक, दार्शनिक, विचारवान क़ुरान के आधार पर नही चलता। कुछ मूर्ख अवश्य अग्निवीर को गलत कहेंगे परंतु सत्य परमेश्वर से नही छिपा है। आप कृप्या इतिहास पढ ले – कौन से सत्यवान को अपना मत कहने के लिए अवसर दिया गया?

            Vedas spoke of Heliocentric model but when Aryabhata propagated the same – he was criticized by his own friends including Varahamihir. Even later propagators like Galileo and Copernicus were punished. Jesus was put to cross just because Satan did not like: Love thy neighbor. All truth speakers are criticized. Same is happening with Agniveer OR Satyagni. Now, 2 sites mentioned above are wiki islam & answering islam. When ZN was asked whether he can refute them – he said that we will fight. ZN wants to raise a war. All scholars comment that for Islam – peace comes ONLY as a consequence of war. ZN himself proved that they are true. OK, leave that, Let’s unite Indians and support Shuddhi. Leave Sultans on their fate and read this:::
            http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_the_Noteworthy

            जयतु आर्यावर्त !

          • Vinay Arya says

            Let me say the definition of Tap(complete)

            sardi,garmi,bhukh,pyas,sukh,dukh,hani,labh,man,apaman ko ek hi samajhana.
            arthat chahe aapaka koi kitana hi samman kare ya to ap hanso ya fir udasin bano.yadi ap apane samman pe hansate ho to ap apane apaman par bhi hanso arthat ek se bane raho.vaise shri krishna or dayanand ke anusar in sab sansarik sukho dukho ke samane udasin bane raho.

            mahabharat nahi padhi hai..kintu dayanand ji ka charitra padha hai.kuch aavashyak baat kahata hai :

            ek baar swamiji paidal chal rahe the.unake saamane se ek vyakti aya.usane swamiji ko aneka galiya di.unhe thug,mahathug,chor,daku,nich,kutta,ityadi kaha gayaetc.swamiji sun rahe the.bich me kuch bhi bole nahi.ve muskurakar chal diya apane niwas sthan par.kintu vah vyakti bhi unake saath chala gaya unake piche piche.aur niwas sthan par jaake baith gaye.vaha vyakti bhi vaha pahunchkar unhe galiya dene laga.fir bhi swamiji prasann the.vaha vyakti bichara itanaa adhik bola ki bolata bolata thak gayaa.fir swamiji ne ruakane ke baad kaha ki aao isa aaasan par baitho.to vaha baith gayaa.swamiji ko kisi ne chawal diye the.swamiji ne usa din kuch na khaya tha.us din ke liye unake paas kewal vahi bhjan tha.aur swamiji ne un chawalo ko us gali waale ko de diye.aisa hote hi gali dene waale ki aankho me aansu aa gaye aur swamiji se kshma maangi.

            kuch samajhe!

          • भ्रमित says

            Indian Az and slaves idiots. You are living on money of dead beings. Why not? Your holy books promote war as mechanism of peace. Forget those questions,
            Rather read: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Science

            Ishvar is he because of errors and flaws in English language. In original Sanskrit language, there is no such error. Ishvar cannot be bound in gender considerations. Regarding hands, it means powers. This is in GOD’s hands – does not imply that GOD has hands but GOD has power to do so. The questions which you have asked have everything to do with errors in languages & nothing to do with errors with Ishvar. Don’t you fools get such a basic idea?? Forget it, is it possible to convert a donkey to a horse? After a donkey is converted to horse, a Momin will accept truth (ask even a Christian / Jew – Quran derived teachings from them and yet they hate Quran – sufficient to conclude that Quran is a bogus book). Leave it, rather read the link for your enlightenment and illumination. HAHAHA

          • Jason R Prasad says

            Slave,
            I have pride to use my original name here, read my full name, sorry i dont have a slave name like urs..lol.. I am proud for what I stand for and what i follow, i try to live by my ancestors original dharma. Proove to me that hinduism is bad,, dont just state something without proof, and for your information i was never a christian, i dont believe in that stupid ideology, i only know my original dharma, i have in the process of reading the vedas, and am currently taking lessons in Sanskrit, and don’t assume my background based on my name only, as i have said before that all india muslims are slaves and have slave mentality only, they are slaves to the arabs,,, but not me i can change my name if i want to because im free, im free to worship, im free to be human, because im a i follow Sanatana Dharma (Universal Righteousness). im not at slave to anyone, because my Atma is eternal it does not fear Ishvar, because Om is all love and my Atma does not fear love. but what about u Slave, do you have any love from ur arab master,, are u free to be human, i would ask u to come back to ur original dharma,, but i dont went to waste much of my time trying to convince u. and i have a very simple question for you slave,, please give me one verse from the Koran that has the same meaning as Vasudev Kutumbakam, (the whole world is like one family).

            OM TAT SAT

  23. Arya says

    @sss
    Brother, I know you are with us. You please start reading the above books in English. And one more thing, ask for some aayats from Bella immediately on the article Contradictions in Quran. Some Mujaahideens of Muhammad have appeared there!

  24. Van says

    Hey Agni,

    Good work. I have a suggestion.

    Why not make a list of all prominent people that point to beef and animal slaughter in Hindu scriptures taking the likes of Zakir Naik and communists. Within this quote all their references, mantras, verses and stories which these people use to prove their allegation that ancient aryans were meat eaters.

    Then with your knowledge of ancient sanskrit language and grammar provide the correct translations of these mantras (that are used against Hinduism), thereby illustrating that their works are slanderous campaign on Hinduism.

    This will really make them speechless and every lay person can counter these people.

    Reading this article any sensible person is convinced that there is no beef eating in the 4 Vedas. However, you have to extend this work for other scriptures that our quoted by likes of Zakir Naik and communists– Mahabharata etc.

    I know your viewpoint that anything other than Vedas are adulterated text, however, to the extent possible give the correct and unbiased translations of these texts (especially the controversial verses). Though adulterated these texts have now become part of Hindusim and must be aligned with the Vedas to the extent possible.

    Best of luck.

  25. Krishna Bhat says

    great work …What is the source of your translations..Are you sanskrit scholar or you read vedas from arya samaj by dayanand saraswati ….But vedas from arya samaj jamnagar is only in hindi and that too not very clear because fonts are small and hence difficult…….

  26. santosh kumar Arya says

    Dear Frnds,

    It is true, their is no version in telugu available from Swami Dhayandha sarawathi but you can find other authors which has been translated in telugu.

    Please visit any Arya samaj in AP (mostly in Hyd and Warangal) you can get the telugu version for all Vedas.

    My brothers,

    Please don’t go with other then Vedas. If you need Perfect 100% truth.
    After 500o years later (after Mahabharath Yudha) the Hinduism when to Wrong steps, Swami Dhayandha Gi taken back to the path of Vedas to the Humanity.
    Hope It can help you.

    • Slave for Islam says

      santosh,

      i have explained above that AGNIVEER is a POOR KAAFIR with POOREST FOLLOWERS.

      if u want Holy Quran in tamil gve me ur address and i wl get it delivered.

      i challenge u that if show me that book “satyarth prakash” in Tamil in ONE YEAR.

      u people cant do anyhting.

      POOR AGNIVEER JUST CAN CRY.

      keep crying and we will ENJOY YOUR TEARS.

      read Holy Quran and other islamic books they are available in Tamil also.

      come and join islam and have glory in this world and next world

    • roger says

      Agniveer Ji,

      Whats your take on Honey? Do you think that consuming ‘Honey’ is not a sin?

      Because i think its a sin. It is produced out of their destruction and incessantly innumerable Jivas are born it. As far as i know you people

      honey is made by bees. the bees collect the nectar from the flowers. this is the food of the bees. as the flowers do not bloom all round the year the bees store the nectar in the beehive and this is used by them as food in the remaining part of the year.

      so bassically this is the food of bees and hence we must not eat it. further, if the honey is collected by us all the bees eventually die with the lack of food. the beehive is than used to make wax.

      indirectly, we are having our hands in something very wrong happening. hence, we must not eat honey. if we will not eat honey, than indirectly many beautiful small creatures can be saved. every small effort counts.

    • Arya says

      @roger
      Namaste Brother,
      For large scale production, as far as I know, honey is collected in a smart way. There are wooden boxes of certain height and bees collect their honey inside it. As soon as level of honey reaches the height of box, it starts flowing down through the outer wall of box and is collected. So you see, only extra honey, which was not essential for bees is collected and thus it can be consumed.

      Anyone who knows better can throw more light on this. But Brother, one thing we should keep in mind that anything is consumable if it fulfills two criteria

      1. It causes no/minimum harm/pain to others.
      2. It does not affect your body negatively.

      Dhanyawad

  27. Truth Seeker says

    Dear Agniveer Team (Arya Samaj)

    I have been following your every article and every comments and replies among the members. (kudos to the efforts of “Indian Agnostic, Arya, Vajra and others)

    My first obligation will be to thank you for your untiring efforts to kill the dangerous spiders of corruption and greed which have spun numerous cobwebs of misinformation and blatant lies around the pure books of knowledge and enlightenment.

    And as a truth seeker, my second obligation will be to go further and research more on vedas and inspire more people.

    Well …… but I have a doubt if anybody can help me!
    If we keep aside the morality and long term side-effects of non-vegetarian food for once and just look at it from the angle of only digestion process. I fail to understand how humans can digest meat. The presence of the enzymes necessary for digesting meat itself raises the question of its/their purpose.

    See, I view the vedas as the books having answers to all the doubts be it morals, science or whatever, your work and source of inspiration has reinforced this belief of mine.

    If possible, kindly shed light on above otherwise I dont know how much time it will take for me to unearth the answer.

    Thank you :)

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Namaste @Truth Seeker

      If i had to quickly resolve this , i’d refer to the fact that even cows were able to digest meat when fed to them in europe..but the long term impact had to happen and you had the mad cow disease as a result.

      also if you look at our digestive tract , it is not meant for meat .it’s 3 times longer than the carnivores and hence meat stays stuck in it for 3-4 days causing all kinds of health problems.so you see that we are not designed to be carnivores .

      please visit http://agniveer.com/3149/id-mubarak/ and read the article and comments..you’ll have all the answers hopefully

      Dhanyavad

      • Truth Seeker says

        Brother Indian Agnostic,

        Thank you for your time and effort for the quick resolve. Though the answer I found was not entirely convincing to me, you need not be bothered as I’ll myself try to find it out.

        You see, humans are bracketed among the omnivores (as what modern science tell), my layman observations towards distribution of lifestyle diseases between vegetarians and non-vegetarians also do not point to the obvious so thats why the answer will require some research, will take time. So I’ll do it myself….. you use your precious time and energy towards convincing our long lost brothers who I found are too much mired by the indoctrination in imperfect way of life.

        Dhanyawad

    • satyam agrawal says

      @ truth seeker
      Ram Ram brother……..
      as far as i understand…the lining of mucus(an enzyme in stomach) secreted prevents the digestion of our body meat..but that lining do not protect anything eaten ..because if it starts protecting the eaten things..then by law of nature veg and non veg both will get protected as this mucus will forming coating on both layers…
      as far as the omnivorous digestive system is concerned…….our canine teeths are not like that of DOG or lion or any other meat eaters…….the digestion capacity we exhibit shall be gifted to us so that any accidental consumption of meat can be tackled………..
      our canine teeths are to cut the fruits and not meat ……………

      but even if we have the capacity to digest…we shall remember that we are given hands but not to steal……we are given brains..but not for destruction

  28. Am says

    Dear Friends,

    Why should one think the killing in vedas was importent. We know here killing goes on daily.Millions of animals are killed daily just because they cant oppose and to fulfil our desire. If animal killing was real in vedas then it would be few animals less than 10.000(if not then?).
    If you really woried about animals then stop eating non veg.I was a non vegitarian, that teached me to eat fish and chickens, eggs.But today I understand that it is painfull killing them for taste,even an ant feels a pain when we hurt them. Now I stopped eating chickens and fish,avoid as much as possible when my relatives and friends force me. if we understand what really we are doing ,forgetting our past forefathers have done we can surely become sinless. One might eat non veg because he or she is following the family tradition.And they will not feel it wrong but again we humans have the understanding of others pain.We can think on any matter deeply and understand them and realize tham.

    We know there is so much of knowledge in vades.It is like a mine, we can choose what we want from this knowledge.It also explains about medicines, havens etc.Vedas are fault less and cannot be understood even one tenth of it by people of this age.Those who know a bit are respectible.

    God gives the freedom to us.If we misuse them dont you think he can take it back, just like the cattels or sheeps who cannot have the freedom under we humans.

  29. bengali brahmin says

    dear terrorist aiyub ansari,
    in 2001 in bangladesh,mullah govt. came into the power.they killed thousands of hindus,raped them,burnt some alive.a girl of 10 years of age got raped by 30 people.her mom said “please,do not kill her.she’s just 10.please go one by one.at least let her live”.
    even a crippled woman was raped!
    11 people were burnt alive because they were hindu!
    in 1971,paki soldiers killed 2.5 million(2,50,000) hindu.the world’s greatest genocide.
    dr.abul barakat,ho is a muslim,dean of economics of DHAKA UNIVERSITY reported that 2045 hindus are missing in every month.
    in 1971,about 32 million(32,00000) hindus were present in bangladesh.now its close to 12 million !
    only one(1) babri mosque was demolished,muslims destroyed 3700 temples in bangladesh in response of that!

    this is the real face of muslims!!

  30. Am says

    It is sad to read that people believe that vedic text brief about animal killing.Should any Hindu believe it? Non of indian saints preached violence. Few years back in 1950’s and earlier there were no sloughter houses in or near the towns( was different in cities ).People were scared to eat chicken inside house.

    Even after so many muslim kings tried to destroy the nation and its religion,it still stands straight. there are so many stone carvings in different part of india none shows meat eating. Even in goa there are around 3000 temples out of which more than 1000 is destroyed by muslim kings ( but people see goa as bikni Destination because of portugal british rule -Most of them forget that Goa was once a very religious place. People forget their own reality with time.
    .Muslim kings tried to convert hindu and forced them to eat meat( only akber and one more king did not force).Even after many forign envasion indians are following the vedic way where ever possible.It is shameful for hindu to eat meat and follow alian religion.

  31. Mohammad Ayub Ansari says

    Mere pyaare bengali brahmin bhai,
    assalam-o-walekumwarahmatullah-e-wa-barakatuho! May Almighty bless you, keeps you safe and gives you hidayat!

    Well, waise aapke sabse priya bhagwan kaun hain!
    1. Kya aapko apne Shiv jee ke “Shiv Ling aur Char Dhaam” ka history maalom hai and if not then apni kitaab mein dekh lijiyega ki unka “ling*” ko char part me kyon kata gaya tha! Ling=Penis!

    2. The greatest rapes that took place was in Bangladesh is correct but the other’s not i.e., it was done by our honourable “BSF” i.e., Border Security Force Jawaans or for that time I may call “Border Sex Force” who raped tenths of thousands before they finally assasinated them!

    And yeah I’m honoured that you called me a terrorist because I’m glad that for you i.e., a non-hindu I’m a terrorist because you yourself don’t know that:-

    “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
    [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

    i. “Ekam evadvitiyam”
    “He is One only without a second.”
    [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]
    ii. “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
    “Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]
    iii. “Na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no likeness of Him.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]
    iv. The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
    “Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”
    “His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]

    “Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan”
    “There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit.”
    Refer to it in your Brahma Sutra!

    Okay!

    Once again for my brother bengali brahman,

    Mere pyaare bengali brahmin bhai,
    assalam-o-walekumwarahmatullah-e-wa-barakatuho! May Almighty bless you, keeps you safe and gives you hidayat!

    • Aman Garg says

      Dear Shri Ayub

      As usual let me answer point by point
      1) Kya aapko apne Shiv jee ….Not worth giving an answer
      2) The greatest rapes that took place was in Bangladesh is correct but the other’s not i.e., it was
      done by our honourable “BSF” …
      Ans: I agree Indian army is not perfect.Well, do yourself a favor. Please google for Yahya Khan, and Tikka Khan, the butcher of Bangladesh. You will realize how much not just the Hindus, but even the Bengali Muslims hate him

      3) You stated all traits of Gods
      Ans: All the traits described in the Hindu scriptures is correct. I have explained in one of my previous posts to you about how humans can perceive God. If your quest if true, please try it with sincerity and honesty.

      Peace
      Aman Garg

  32. Mohammad Ayub Ansari says

    Aur haan Brother aap kis waale god mein maante ho hum unka bhi history de denge as I’ve gone through Vedas and not like you who’s feeling pride just because he has born in a Brahmin family!
    I mean Ganesh, Shiv aur anyone else! For your help I’m always there!! :)
    And Yeah aapko Brahmin ka matlab bataate hue jaate hain:
    A member of a cultural and social elite, especially of that formed by descendants of old New England families: a Boston Brahmin.

    Okay! Aur haan time mile toh charon veda padhne ke baad humse miliyega my younger brother! :)

    • Blade says

      Ayub Ansari Miyanji before telling us history you should have known history of your Mohammad and Kaaba do you know at least 5-6 haddiths tell Mohammad is necrophilic and had sex with his mother fatima’s dead body see this website

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/father-zakaria-botros-on-cairs-radar.html

      Do you know black stone of Kaaba is vagina cum URINAL the black stone with silver casing was used by pagan arabs as vagina of Al Uzza who pagans arabs believed that kissing it gives sexual power of numerous men and that is why mohammad uses to kiss it and the myth of Mohammad’s sexual power equivalent to several men.

      Ansari Ji Muslims muslims don’t know that black stone that they kisses were destroyed to pieces by invading army and urinated by them so muslims are really kissing a URINAL and bowing 5 times a day to a urinal see this link.

      http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TBSVI2ATUB7E7MS0H

      • Blade says

        Ansari Miyan it is because of Indian Army that is why Bangladeshi today are free country otherwise today Bangladesh would big Haram for Pakistani Punjabi Army and would be daily raping Bangladeshi woman and creating bastards and there are many videos regarding Mohammad and Kaaba in this site so you should check it out

        • Aman Garg says

          Dear Shri Blade

          Please dont hate them. If you abuse muslims, the purpose of this mission would be lost. The more you abuse them, the further will be the rift. They needs help. We all should do our bit by helping them to think their way out.
          If you observe all Hindu bashers, they only take up stories from puranas to bash Hinduism. They dont make an attempt to understand the concepts of Karma and the cycle of rebirths. Vedantas are the the ones that have true Hindu philosophy. That must be made aware to everybody(both Hindus and Muslims). We all should endeavor for the same. We will face stiff opposition from everywhere. If a change happens, opposition to change will also happen. It is natural. We must not loose heart.

          Peace
          Aman Garg

          • Blade says

            Aman Garg Ji I am only drawing the line for healthy debate so that they don’t come here abuse to us if they can hit us we can hit them harder, give respect and get respect. If you want Healthy debate we are more than ready for it but if you abuse us then we will you give shock treatment, but by the way what I have told is 100% true it is not a slander.

          • Aman Garg says

            My dear Shri Blade ji Sir

            I agree that a healthy debate is the only way to open up their minds. If they abuse us, please don’t abuse them back. Just highlight to them why they are wrong. Only that will bring more and more muslims to this site who want to seek the truth. They need help. And Loving them making them think is the only way out to bring them out of the shell. The intent is not to create a rift, but to make them think and bring them out of the shell they have put themselves in.
            As I stated, the most obvious mistake made by muslims about Hinduism(as you also would have realized by now) is they use Puranas as the reference point and relate those stories to abuse Hinduism. Let us make them understand that Vedantas contain the REAL Hindu philosophy and NOT the puranas.
            If they find issues with Vedas, we have a very good team here(including your good self) who can make them understand where and how they have misunderstood. If they still choose to remain ignorant, God bless them, they are just going through the consequence of their karma.

            Our mission is to spread the words of vedas in the correct perspective to the whole of humanity..irrespective of caste, creed or religion-especially the muslims of this sub-continent.

            Sir, I dont think we must take our discussion any further since your mission and mine are the same. We will work towards it together.

            Peace
            Aman

            Peace
            Aman

          • Hrishikesh says

            Dear Aman
            There is no way you can bring those people into thinking and correcting themselves! They have proved this time and again! throughout for a 1000 years of our history! there maybe one or two good Muslims but they have stopped thinking with their intelligence or brains but think only according to their faith and their faith doesn’t contain even one good thing! Even our ancestors showed them pity and gave them a welcoming hand but they in turn attacked and upsurged our bharata destroyed temples raped women and and established Muslim rule! Obviously there were traitors on our side too! Such was the terror they had created. So complacence can lead to destruction! And now our own people have left our faith and are joining hands with them! This happened in the past too and it is happening again. Remember it is a sin to sit quiet in the face of injustice, those fight against injustice follow dharma!

    • amit mondal says

      who told you this meaning of Bramhin man??
      you said you have read Veda… then you must know Bramhin is one who has the Bramha Gyan… please search…

      now another thing. do you admire hazrat mohammad and love allah at the same time?? why??? just like that if you clear your mind you can understand one thing. we believe in PARAM BRAMHA (not BRAHAA, these are two different concept). we also believe in lord shiva, lord gansha etc. but let me to make one thing clear its BRAMHA (Param Bramha) is one and only one. you can consider it as an eternal energy. this concept is not much different from E=mc2… so sont misunderstant.. lord shiva, lord ganesha were like leaders and reformer of society. i dont know who they really were. but we can see one thing that they have some contribution to this society. so please dont misunderstand Hinduism, if you are a Muslim truly you are also a Hindu by your natural birth.

  33. Am says

    Aman Garg Ji is correct, the purpose of the site is to discuss something good. World is full of ignorence and if one is stuck at ignorence and try to misguide and abuse other it is better to leave at that point.Knowledge cannot be erased by abuse or violence.It remains with us, cast and creed does not hert when ones aim is to know the real truth using whichever religious texts.It is in Hindu texts and vedas that written by Sri.Veda vyasa has vast knowledge that non can comment on it unless he go through it. If one comments and misguides then it is like pissing in the ocean to compare which is salty.

  34. Hrishikesh says

    Human conscience will tell every time that blood, gore, hate and killing anything are bad. Even a butcher knows it but he does it. I think only solution to all people who are so hell bent on bad mouthing Vedas should be eliminated because this is Kali Yuga. people are fools, everyone has a demonic mind! as you can see in Mahabharata Krishna used every means of friendship, advice, intelligent talk for kauravas but they were hell bent in not giving pandavas the kingdom, so Krishna resorted to war and prepared pandavas to finish them off ! But only a person who does not have “DEHA BHAVA” or the feeling that he/she is the body, will not get the karma or sin of killing. so ultimately, normal spiritual gurus or many avatars of various gods shall not kill anyone but Yuga prurushas like krishna and rama do it ! So god willing, if there has to be no poison on earth, then there has to be no poisonous plants for that all seeds of poison should be eliminated, otherwise some or the other time those plants will come up again! There is no option else! This is pure law of karma and no one can deny it ! What are Muslims doing here???? Trying to eliminate even the remaining flashes of our dharma from the minds of ignorant Hindus?? You attack everywhere and here too! Just see the aggressiveness of them! If they want to believe that allah is almighty believe let them believe, but not force it upon us here We don’t want them here…Moderator do you hear me??

  35. Totagoto says

    I consider the translation of the Vedas by Acharya Sayan, Mahidhar, Bhattacharya, Prof. Max Muller, Ralph TGH Griffith, Monier Williams, Maurice Bloomfield and other like minded scholars to be incorrect and misleading. Below is an example of a prejudiced translation from Wikipedia (on line encyclopaedia):
    The Rigveda (8.48.3, tr. Griffith) states,
    a ápāma sómam amŕtā abhūmâganma jyótir ávidāma devân c kíṃ nūnám asmân kṛṇavad árātiḥ kím u dhūrtír amṛta mártyasya
    We have drunk Soma and become immortal; we have attained the light, the Gods discovered. Now what may foeman’s malice do to harm us? What, O Immortal, mortal man’s deception?
    The Ninth Mandala of the Rigveda is known as the Soma Mandala. It consists entirely of hymns addressed to Soma Pavamana (“purified Soma”).
    Let’s see the correct translation as per the Rishis:
    Nirukta (the greatest authority on the translation of the Vedas) 4/3/13/44 has described the Soma as medicine promoting long life and youthful strength. The colour of Soma has been said of Harit Varna or green colour (yellow or tawny as per Wikipedia).
    Sushrut (termed as father of Ayurveda medicine and surgery) in his Chikitsa Sthanvarti Chapter 8 has given 24 divisions of Soma. He has also termed Soma as the destroyer of old age and death (etymologically meaning promoting long life and youthful strength).
    Nirukta Bhashya 5/1/3/13 and Rig Veda 10/89/6 have described Soma as a peaceful natured Soul.
    Nirukta Bhashya 5/1/3/13 and Rig Veda 9/107/9 have described Soma as cow’s milk.
    Similarly, Nirukta Bhashya 11/1/10/7 describes Soma as moon.
    Now let’s see the translation of the above mantra as per Maharishi Dayanand Saraswati in line with Nirukta Bhashya. This mantra describes the advantages of grain eating.
    “(Soma) Oh Lord! (apam) We drink the juice of the grain. (amritah abhum) We become amrit i.e. have long life; (jyotih aganm) we strive to achieve bodily strength and eternal glow; (avidaam) may we achieve (devaan) the strength of our senses; (kin krinvat) what can (asman) our (aratih) internal enemies do to us (noonam) in this condition? (amrit) Oh deathless Ish or God! (kim) what can (dhurtih) violent and (martasya) murderous people do to me?”
    The ninth Mandala of Rig Veda describes the peaceful qualities of the almighty and not as stated by Griffith.

  36. islam for zombies says

    bahut hi badhiya article hai aasha karta hu yeh hamare hindu bhaiyon ke liye margdarshan kaa kaam karega, yeh sab zombies ko samjh nahi aayega kyun ki kisi bhi cheez ko samjhne ke liye brain kaa hona zaruri hai or zombies ke pass woh nahi hota . ;))

  37. prakash says

    if eating non veg is prohibited in vedas..even the plants have life..how can we eat them? and there are many microorganisms we are inhaling and killing…how can we justify it?

    • shravak says

      @prakash

      Sharing with you a counter-argument which was presented by bro Vik while debating a muslim lady on a same thing. She yet to reply him.

      1) So what? So you got to understand that this is a major DIFERENCE BETWEEN PLANTS AND ANIMALS

      Plants do not have blood nervous system, moreover they can regrow, whereas animals dont. By your logic, even a computer, table, metal feel pain, now you tell me, can these things have souls within them???? Scienfific life is based on chemical reactions, not the conciouss life. Science itself is unable to explain the origin of concsiousnes so how will it tell who feels pain in a consciouss state and who doesnt????????? ”

      2) Plants do not repel, do you ever see them repel while you slaughter them??? When you slaughter a chicken, you can feel that chicken resisting you trying to escape, this proves that the chicken has a concious soul that makes it feel “I am a chicken”, whereas when I chop a carrot, I do not see a carrot resisting away from me. Plants do not have concious souls in them that say “I am a carrot” or “I am a mango tree”. When we say things have life it simply means chemical reactions. Yes, plants and organisms have life, not in the sense of humans and animals, but in the sense of chemical reactions. By the scientific defintion of life, even a computer, metal, and a pencil have a life too.

      • prakash says

        ok…if u say that since plants are not resisting away when u cut them and so they do not have consciousness and hence we can eat them..then the same thing should apply for an egg..how can u say that it is non veg? and eating egg is also prohibited in vedas. if u say that soul exists only in the beings which resist others, then egg shouldnt have a soul yet..and scientifically the presecence of soul is not proven..so how can u say microbes dont hav soul and insects or birds have it??

  38. prakash says

    ok…if u say that since plants are not resisting away when u cut them and so they do not have consciousness and hence we can eat them..then the same thing should apply for an egg..how can u say that it is non veg? and eating egg is also prohibited in vedas. if u say that soul exists only in the beings which resist others, then egg shouldnt have a soul yet..and scientifically the presecence of soul is not proven..so how can u say micro organisms dont hav soul and insects or birds have it??

    • says

      Namaste Prakash

      ———-scientifically the presecence of soul is not proven———-

      Presence of soul is not proven in humans in general and in Prakash in particular :) Does that mean one can eat …..? No.

      Your argument hold no water anyway. Even if I agree that plants may (still probability of feeling pain is less than 1) feel pain, still eating animals is worse because they surely feel pain (probability of feeling pain is 1) as animals and humans have same nervous system coordinated by similar mechanism of sensory neurons. So when you need to choose better option, you must go with veg.

      Eating an unconscious egg is similar to eating human fetus who is yet to be conscious. If you let the egg to be hatched properly, you would certainly get a conscious bird. But that is not the case with plants.

    • Vinay Arya says

      I am giving you a “drishti”.Obtain this “drishti” and you will leave non-veg.The “drishti” is as follows:
      Be happy,if each and every organism in the world is happy.Be sad,even if one organism is in grief.

  39. vikas says

    food cannot make you spiritual, but if you are spiritual your food habits will change. Eating anything will not make much difference. You can be a vegetarian and cruel to the extreme, and violent; you can be a non-vegetarian and kind and loving. Food will not make much difference. In India there are communities who have lived totally with vegetarian food; many Brahmins have lived totally with vegetarian food. They are non-violent but they are not spiritual

    • says

      Namaste Vikas

      Process of eating non veg is itself unkind and cruel. So you can at best say-

      Eating veg is necessary but not the sufficient condition for being spiritually blessed. But eating veg is sufficient to be called as cruel thus non spiritual.

  40. Rajesh says

    Im not a scholar or an expert in an religious texts. But im curious why some people take so dim view of those who eat meat and think of themselves as better than those who eat meat. Is not eating meat the sole qualification for a good human?

    • says

      Raashtram vaa ashwamedhah
      Annam hi gau
      Agnirvaa ashwah
      Aajyam medhah
      (Shatpath 13.1.6.3)
      Swami Dayananda Saraswati wrote in his Light of Truth:
      A Yajna dedicated to the glory, wellbeing and prosperity of the Rashtra the nation or empire is known as the Ashwamedh yajna.
      “To keep the food pure or to keep the senses under control, or to make the food pure or to make a good use of the rays of Sun or keep the earth free from impurities[clean] is called Gomedha Yajna”.
      “The word Gau also means the Earth and the yajna dedicated to keep the Earth the environment clean is called Gomedha Yajna”
      “The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna”.

      • Truth Seeker says

        @All
        _______The word Gau also means the Earth and the yajna dedicated to keep the Earth the environment clean is called Gomedha Yajna”_______________
        For more clarification here is Mantra of Yajurveda 3/6 “Ayam ‘Gau’ Swaha Pitram Puraha Prayan Mataram Prishnihi Aakrameet Asadat”.
        Means
        This earth revolves around the Sun in the space and it also rotates on its own axis.
        http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/yajurveda/pages/p73.gif

      • GOD IS GREAT says

        As per Yogic logic.

        Shwa refers to respiration.
        So, the process where respiration is temporary halted is known as Ashwamedha. Yogis have experienced a high level spiritual state which they call KUMBHAK AVASTHAA. There they experienced many great events within themselves.

        Whatever be the logic, literal translation of Ashwamedha to link it with some horse is a disaster. We need to analyze the real truth. THANKS TO REAL SCHOLARS WHO INCREASE ACCESSIBILITY TO THE TRUTH.

  41. Najmuddin says

    ISLAM doesnot say eat only NON-VEG … it only gives options to eat NON-VEG(only herbivorous animals) and its better to be VEG. ISLAM always draws lines between good and bad. And Bad (it is not actually bad, it is good and acceptable) it gives liberty to the certain calibration, because Allah knows best. The inventor can only write the manual of the machine and its working. Similary the creator The ALLAH knew that eating of Carnivorous animals or worstly Cannibals would also tend to make us ferosious or violent. We tend to get the characteristic of the violent nature. It is said scientifically. Hence, it could have been only said by a GOD who knew this fact. And we are only the discoverors… !!

    • Najmuddin says

      With the detailed facts on why NON-VEG also acceptable(and that too only herbivorous)…. Muslims accepts living and non-living things needs to be used generously, according to ISLAM even the non-living things curses us if we are unfare usage… So forget about the soul in plants or animals. We need to be kind to all in the nature, i.e on the earth.

      1. Only eating of herbivorous animals allowed

      I agree that, what a person eats has an effect on his behaviour. This is one of the reasons why Islam prohibits the eating of carnivorous animals like lion, tiger, leopard, etc. who are violent and ferocious. The consumption of the meat of such animals would probably make a person violent and ferocious. Islam only allows the eating of herbivorous animals like cow, goat, sheep, etc. that are peaceful and docile. We Muslims eat peaceful and docile animals because we are peace loving and non-violent people.

      2. The Qur’an says Prophet prohibits what is bad

      The Qur’an says:

      “The Prophet commands them what is just and prohibits what is evil”. “He allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them what is bad (and impure),”
      [Al-Qur’an 7: 157]

      “So take what the Messenger assigns to you and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you.”
      [Al-Qur’an 59: 7]

      For a Muslim, the Prophet’s statement is sufficient to convince him that Allah does not wish humans to eat some kinds of meat while allowing some other kinds.

      3. Hadith of Mohammad (pbuh) prohibiting eating of carnivorous animals

      According to various authentic Ahadith narrated in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim including hadith narrated by Ibn Abbas in Sahih Muslim, Book of hunting and slaughter,Hadith No. 4752 and Sunan Ibn-I-Majah chapter 13 Hadith no. 3232 to 3234, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) prohibited the eating of:

      i. Wild animals with canine teeth, i.e. meat eating carnivorous animals. These are animals belonging to the cat families such as lion, tiger, cats, dogs, wolfs, hyenas, etc.

      • Najmuddin says

        Question:

        Killing an animal is a ruthless act. Why then do Muslims consume non-vegetarian food?

        Answer:
        Islam enjoins mercy and compassion for all living creatures. At the same time Islam maintains that Allah has created the earth and its wondrous flora and fauna for the benefit of mankind. It is upto mankind to use every resource in this world judiciously, as a niyamat(Divine blessing) and amanat (trust) from Allah.

        1. Qur’an permits Muslims to have non-vegetarian food

        The Qur’an, however permits a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food. The following Qur’anicverses are proof of this fact:

        “O ye who believe! Fulfil (all) obligations. Lawful unto you (for food) are all four-footed animals with the exceptions named.”
        [Al-Qur’an 5:1]

        “And cattle He has created for you (men): from them Ye derive warmth, and numerous benefits, And of their (meat) ye eat.”
        [Al-Qur’an 16:5]

        “And in cattle (too) ye have an instructive example: From within their bodies We produce (milk) for you to drink; there are, in them, (besides), numerous (other) benefits for you; and of their (meat) ye eat.”
        [Al-Qur’an 23:21]

        2. Meat is nutritious and rich in complete protein

        Non-vegetarian food is a good source of excellent protein. It contains biologically complete protein i.e. all the 8 essential amino acid that are not synthesized by the body and should be supplied in the diet. Meat also contains iron, vitamin B1 and niacin.

        3. Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth

        If you observe the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow, goat and sheep, you will find something strikingly similar in all of them. All these animals have a set of flat teeth i.e. suited for herbivorous diet. If you observe the set of teeth of the carnivorous animals like the lion, tiger, or leopard, they all have a set of pointed teeth i.e. suited for a carnivorous diet. If you analyze the set of teeth of humans, you find that…

        • raj.hyd says

          माननीय श्री निजामुद्दीन जी, अगर इस्लाम में जानवर का मांस खाना अच्छा है तब काबा में व मस्जिदों में जानवर की हत्या क्यों नहीं की जाती ? जब मस्जिद में पेशाब व मल त्याग की व्यवस्था है तब जानवर की हत्या से परहेज क्यों ? अच्छी चीज तो मस्जिद में भी की जा सकती है ! क्या बगैर मांस खाए मुस्लिम जिन्दा नहीं रह सकते ? हिंसक जानवर भी अपनी भूख मिटाने के लिए जानवर को शिकार बनाते है , अगर शेर के बच्चे को शाकाहारी माहौल दिया जाये तोवह शेर भी कभी जानवर की हत्या नहीं करेगा फिर मनुष्य होकर बुद्धिमान होकर भी, ताकतवर होकर भी कमजोर जानवर की रक्षा क्यों न की जाये ? क्या यह मनुष्यता नहीं कहलाएगी ?

          • Juber says

            माननीय राज जी
            मास सेहत के लिए बहुत ही लाभदायक है. ऐसा वैज्ञानिको का भी कथन है! कृपया आप अपने फालतू तर्क लिखने से पहले कुछ अध्ययन भी कर लिया करे! मुस्लिम दुनिया के सबसे वज्ञानिक सोच रखने वाले व्यक्ति है! मास खाने मस्तिस्क भी तेज होता है! मोहमद जी और जाकिर जी की बुद्धिमता का राज मास ही है! मुस्लिम तुम हिन्दुओ की तरह बुतों को नहीं पूजते और तुम मास ना खाने के बावजूद बुतों को पूज रहे हो, कारन मास ना खाने से तुम दिमागी रूप से कमजोर हो !और अल्लाह ने इतने पशु पक्षियों को मनुष्यों के खाने के लिए ही तो बनाया है! कृपया कुछ विचार कीजिये!

          • raj.hyd says

            परम आदरणीय श्री जुबेर जी , संसार की आर्थिक समस्या मांस नहीं बल्कि “रोटी ” है , कोई भी मनुष्य “केवल ” मांस पर निर्भर नहीं रह सकता लेकिन अनाज आदि पर पूरी जिन्दगी काटी जा सकती है ! फिर भी जिसका मनुष्य मांस खाता है वह भी शाकाहारी होता है ! वह भी शाकाहार पर निर्भर है ! मनुष्य को पसीना आता है , घूंट लेकर पानी पीता है, उसको रात के अँधेरे में देखने के लिए किसी रौशनी की जरुरत पड़ती है , उसके दांत भी चपटे है , नुकीले नहीं है , सारी शक्ति के पैमाना हार्सपावर कहलाता है , यानि घोडा उसका प्रतीक है , वह भी शाकाहारी होता है ! अगर मांस खाना अच्छा है तब मस्जिदों में, काबा के अन्दर जानवरों की हत्या मुस्लिम क्यों नहीं करते ? जब मस्जिद में पेशाब व मलत्याग कर सकते है तब जानवर की हत्या भी हो सकती है उससे परहेज क्यों ?अब रही बात बुत पूजा की , जो एक खुदा का दावा करते है वह भी एक पत्थर [किबले ] की दिशा में “ही ” नमाज पढ़ पाते है क्या खुदा जी अन्य जगह नहीं है १ जब यह कहा जाता है खुदा जी सातवे आसमान पर है तब आसमान की ओर मुंह करके नमाज पढ़िए किबले की दिशा पर क्यों? किबले की दिशा में मुस्लिम पैर नहीं करता , सोता नहीं है , थूकता नहीं है, पेशाब नहीं करता , मल त्याग नहीं करता ! क्या यह सब बुतपरस्ती जैसा नहीं है? लेकिन वही मुस्लिम जब रेल आदि में पेशाब आदि करता है तब उसका परहेज नहीं कर पाता है! पत्थर तो पत्थर है वह चाहे क़िबला का हो या कोई और हो ?मुस्लिम तो ज्यादा बड़े बुत परस्त है ! जो मूर्ति पूजा करते है वह वह पेशाब मलत्याग आदि का परहेज नहीं करते है ! जब हज को मुस्लिम जाते है तब परम आदरणीय श्री इब्लीस जी [शैतान ] के प्रतीक स्तंभों पर कंकड़ मारना भी जरुरी है उसके बगैर हज पूरा नहीं हो पाता भले ही किसी भगदड़ में कितने मुस्लिम अनेक बार मर ही क्यों न जाये ?कब्रों को सम्मान, दरगाहो में जाकर मन्नते मांगना ,फूल चढ़ाना ,अगर बत्ती जलाना, चादर चढ़ाना .क्या यह किसी बुत परस्ती से कम है ? मुहम्मद जी अगर बुद्धिमान होते तो मक्का से भाग कर मदीना नहीं जाते ? जब यह दावा किया जाता है की अल्लाह मुहम्मद जी के साथ है तब अपनी जान बचाने के लिए “गारे हिरा” में छिपकर अपनी जान क्यों बचाई ? अल्लाह ने मुहम्मद जी के दुश्मनों को वही समाप्त क्यों नहीं कर दिया ? ईसा जीने तो अपना बलिदान दिया मुहम्मद जी ने बहुत से मनुष्योंकी हत्या की ! ईसा जी ने विवाह नहीं…

          • raj.hyd says

            ईसा जी ने विवाह नहीं किया, जबकि मुहम्मद जी ने अनेक निकाह किये ५० साल की उम्र में ६-७ साल कीपोती सामान कन्या आयशा जी से निकाह किया , बगैर निकाह के जनाब जी[ZAINAB JI ] से सेक्स किया , दासी मरिया कब्ती से बगैर निकाह के सेक्स किया उससे बच्चा भी पैदा किया ?क्या मुस्लिम यह सब कर सकते है १ खुदा जी ने बच्चा दिया क्यों ? फिर बच्चा देकर छीना क्यों ?संसार में सबसे बड़ा दुःख अपनी संतान का अपने सामने मर जाना होता है , खुदा जी के रसूल होने का दावा करने वाले मुहम्मद जी अपनी जब संतान नहीं बचा पाए तब अन्य मुस्लिमो की रक्षा क्या कर पाएंगे , बतलाइए मुहम्मद जी को यह सजा खुदा जी ने किस “कुकर्मो ” की दी ? क्या सभी मुस्लिम के बच्चे मरते है ? जिन मुस्लिम व तथा कथित काफिरों के बच्चे नहीं मरते वह मुहम्मद जी से ज्यादा अच्छे है १ जिन मुस्लिमो ने व काफिरों ने मुहम्मद जी से ज्यादा उम्र पाई वह भी मुहमम्द जी से ज्यादा अच्छे है १ जरा सोचिये मुहम्मद जी कैसे रसूल कहलाये जिनको मुस्लिम दुरुद भेजते हों , जिनके कुकर्म इतने ज्यादा हो की उनको मुस्लिमो की दुरुद की जरुरत पड़ती हो ! अपने अच्छे कर्मो का भरोसा न हो , वह तो सामान्य मनुष्य से भी ज्यादा ख़राब इन्सान कहलायेगा ! राम जी व श्री कृष्ण जी आदि को किसी हिन्दू की प्राथना की जरुरत नहीं पड़ती है , उनको अपने कर्मो का भरोसा होता है ! जरा इस बुनियादी अंतर को भी पहचानिए , तभी मानवता के दर्शन आप कर पाएंगे १ विवेकशील मनुष्य बन पाएंगे !

          • Najmuddin says

            Hello Brother,

            Check or do research that can Lion be a vegetarian. ?
            Yes we humans are intelligent (budhiman creature) on the earth.
            But most knowing and All knowing is Allah. He has given the right or taught us what is right and what is wrong.. Because he is All knowing. He knows best …
            Check out how the animal is sacrificed in Islamic way. You should be surprised..Allah is the most Merciful…
            Why are you crying for eating beaf ? Why are you not crying for cutting down innocent plants to eat ? I bet you, you cant have any answer… You said humans are budhimaan… am sure if you can give a thought, you will surely accept that Allah is the All Knowing and the Most Merciful.. Most compasionate… wakeup brother…

          • Cannibal 2 says

            @Najmuddin
            Brother you are correct, Fool Veg’s people crying too much for killing the animals & eat them up. We Cannibals & Momins are same category & we never waste energy. Why should Veg’s people cry too much when we eat human flesh? By eating human flesh we are protecting environment.

          • Bagyaraj says

            @ Najmuddin,
            Your Comment: – “Check or do research that can Lion be a vegetarian. ?”
            Please learn the intestine and digestive system of carnivorous and herbivorous animals.
            Your Comment: – “Yes we humans are intelligent (budhiman creature) on the earth. But most knowing and All knowing is Allah. He has given the right or taught us what is right and what is wrong.. Because he is All knowing. He knows best …”
            Killing the animals for satisfying your tongue and justifying it by the name of Allah is not a justification.
            Your Comment: – “Check out how the animal is sacrificed in Islamic way. You should be surprised.. Allah is the most Merciful…”
            Whatever way it is – it is so cruel .If the slaughter house walls are made of glass I hope most of the people will be vegetarian. When a cow, buffalo, goat etc is killed for its meat using a knife it suffers from severe physical pain. Their eye bulges out due to pain. Just imagine the severe pain when the sharp knife pierces through its skin. Can we imagine such a situation in which the knife passes through the skin of one whom we love………………..? Show mercy to all the living beings.
            Your Comment: – “Why are you crying for eating beaf ?”
            Because he has mercy to all living beings and he cannot in any way justify killing animals for the satisfaction of the tounge.

          • Bagyaraj says

            Continued……….
            Your Comment: – “Why are you not crying for cutting down innocent plants to eat ? I bet you, you cant have any answer…”
            The answer for this question can be understood only by approaching the question with a broad and open mind.
            1. Plants grow and reproduce. So they have life.
            2. It is clear that plants do not have nerves or the pain that passes through the nerves. (Please don’t bring any farmer’s reference to counter this point)
            3. Nature supplies the food materials for all the living organisms for its existence. They are also given the ability and body structure to use whatever materials needed.
            4. When the fruits and leaves of plants are used, the plants will not destroy completely. Most often it will be needed for its proper growth.
            5. When the branches and tender stems are taken from the plants the plants produce more leaves and branches and thereby it gets new energy.
            6. Each fruits contain certain factors which will not be useful to plants for its germination and growth. This naturally attract human beings birds and animals. The fleshy part of Mango, banana, Jackfruit, Apple, Pine apple etc. do not play any role in plant’s growth. But it is a blessing for other animals.
            7. A tree may produce hundreds or thousands of seeds. That means nature may have for seen the natural destruction of some of these seeds. If all these seeds fall at the bottom of the tree and germinate? But it is different in the case of animals. Man can use only the milk and hair of animals without killing them. It is not possible to take pieces from animals.
            8. There is no useless organ or part for an animal. If a part is cut and removed it will not grow again.
            9. The reproductive capacity of animals is not infinite as in the case of plants. Cow, buffalo, Goat etc give birth only 5 to 25 young ones in its life time.
            10. Animals clearly have pain, fear etc. But plants do not have these feelings. When it is killed blood losses from its body as in the case of human beings.

          • Bagyaraj says

            11. In plants the leaves and fruits fall down occasionally. But it is of there in animals. Nature has blessed every organism with the ability to make use of necessary materials for their food, and to search for its food.
            12. Carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere and the salt and minerals in the each are the food for plants and trees. The food for micro organisms is decomposed materials, for soil for earth form, rat for snake other animals for lion and tiger. Nature has divided the type of food for these animals. Even if it contain toxin it will not affect them. It has proved that non vegetarian food leads to a lot of health problems. So man should avoid taking non vegetarian food. Alcohol is a poison which kills a person gradually. Non vegetarian food is similar to this. That is why non vegetarian food is considered as poisonous.
            A common question which is often asked is that if we do not kill these cows and buffalos, will they not increase in number and fill the earth?
            13. There are a lot of animals and birds like elephant, horse, cat, crow, donkey etc which we do not kill. But they do not became over lowded and fill the earth.
            14. Even though there are laws against killing of tiger and lion, their numbers are considerably decreasing.
            15. Dinosaurs which lived before man became extinct completely by nature itself.
            One thing is clear. If man wanted to control the increase in number of plants or animals and there by wanted to preserve the balance of nature, he should first of all start with reducing rate of growth his own species.
            16. Some may have the doubt that is non vegetarian food is against nature, then why not man die as soon as he takes that food? Certain poisons like potassium cyanide, and Tetradodoxyl kills man as soon as he takes of. But there some other poison which kill a man gradually. It may take even years. Death that comes to smoking and drinking is gradual. Non vegetarian food is also like at. Tough non vegetarian food gives temporary energy and vitality it will lead to…

          • Bagyaraj says

            continued…………
            to permanent ill health and different kinds of diseases.

            17. Another doubt that occurs off often is that, is it not better to kill the non productive animals than to allow it to die and decompose. But it
            we accept this argument, we should apply it in the case of human beings also. What will happen if we apply this law of killing the non productive animals to man?
            18. Thus it becomes clear that the most appropriate food for human beings is vegetarian food. Even in western countries, vegetarianism has become a trouble way of life. Vegetarian restaurants have spread every where. In western countries development and progress are a journey towards the lap of mother nature. It has become a life style of blessing without killing and using without exploiting.
            It is not possible for us ? The most suitable way for a peaceful mind and body is vegetarianism. Remember this and try to make others remember.

            Your Comment: – “You said humans are budhimaan… am sure if you can give a thought, you will surely accept that Allah is the All Knowing and the Most Merciful.. Most compasionate… wakeup brother…”
            If Allah needs to show mercy to you then you should also show mercy to all the living beings. Don’t kill them for satisfying your tongue. As men can survive with out killing the animals and as the plants can give all required for a healthy life the reason of life cycle which most of the non vegetarians saying is illogical.

          • Bagyaraj says

            continued…………
            Some more evidences…………

            “Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.” – Albert Einstein

            “Nothing’s changed my life more. I feel better about myself as a person, being conscious and responsible for my actions and I lost weight and my skin cleared up and I got bright eyes and I just became stronger and healthier and happier. Can’t think of anything better in the world to be but be vegan.” – Alicia Silverstone

            “I’ve found that a person does not need protein from meat to be a successful athlete. In fact, my best year of track competition was the first year I ate a vegan diet. Moreover, by continuing to eat a vegan diet, my weight is under control, I like the way I look.” – Carl Lewis

            “As custodians of the planet it is our responsibility to deal with all species with kindness, love and compassion. That these animals suffer through human cruelty is beyond understanding. Please help to stop this madness.” – Richard Gere

          • Bagyaraj says

            Continued…….
            Some more evidences……………..
            Are humans herbivores? While this is a complex issue, here is some hard evidence.
            Our nails are flattened, and, unlike carnivores, we don’t have sharp, pointed teeth.
            Both humans and herbivores have carbohydrate digestive enzymes in our saliva; while carnivores and omnivores don’t.
            Most importantly, both the carnivores and the omnivores have a colon that is short, simple and smooth, and their stomach acidity is less than pH 1 with food in stomach; Humans, like herbivores, have a very long, complex and sacculated colon, and our stomach acidity is around pH 4 to 5.
            Our long intestine length is designed for a high fibre diet (found only in plant food). Meat does not digest well in such an environment, and often turns toxic, which contributes to colon cancer.
            Carnivores enjoy the act of savaging and the scent of blood. Sharks, for example, are highly aroused by the scent of blood. On the other hand, we cannot tolerate the sounds and cries of animals being killed, and the mere sight of blood is disturbing to us.

            I think these are more than enough for a human being to decide whether to be a vegetarian or to continue as a non vegetarian.

          • Bagyaraj says

            @Najmuddin
            Your Comment – “1. Qur’an permits Muslims to have non-vegetarian food”

            If so reject that particular messages of quran to have a healthy life.
            1.The non vegetarian food can cause disease even upto genetic level in the human body. The chances of formation of cancer are high in non vegetarians.
            2.Non vegetarian food contain excess of protein which will affect proper functioning of kidney.
            3.Meat and Egg increases the thickness of the blood vessels and it also increases the amount of cholesterol and saturated acid. Both these causes high blood pressure and heart diseases.
            4.Though the no vegetarians appear outwardly calm, mentally they will be in a Conflicting state. They will be easily affected by the disease called Insomnia.
            5.The details of the research work done by Prof. Vinburg, a famous doctor in Massachusetts institute of Technology in America about non vegetarians are very significant.
            (a)As alcohol and smoking affected brain, Non vegetarian food also affect the brain. Those who take non vegetarian food, because easily get agitated both mentally and physically. Just like the carnivorous animals that that walls in the night for hunting its prey, the non vegetarians will lose their peaceful mental state in the night. They also develop cruelty in them like the flesh eating animals.
            (b)The herbivorous animals like elephant, horse, camel etc gets energy from vegetarian food and they will be calm and soft in nature

          • Bagyaraj says

            Continued…….
            Your Comment : – “2. Meat is nutritious and rich in complete protein”
            The daily requirement of energy for a normal human being is 2400 calories. We must take food for producing this energy and also for the production of body cells. The most important elements are carbohydrates, fat and proteins. Any of these elements if present in excess amount the body absorbs it and store it in the form of fat in the body. This will lead to obesity.
            A small portion of meat contain a large amount of energy. So if we take a lot of meat it will lead to obesity. In the modern world people do their day to day activities without much physical energy, which leads to the following consequences.
            (1)The cells that store fat grows rapidly,
            (2)The fat set stored in the liver which will result in the enlargement of liver.
            (3)The diseases connected with the digestion and absorption of carbohydrates.
            (4)Increase in the production and storage of carbohydrates
            (5)The blockage in the passage which removes carbohydrates by converting it into various other forms.
            (6)The defects that occurs in the circulation of blood due to the accumulation of fat in the blood vessels.
            (7)Body movements and physical action become very weak.
            (8)The rashes that forms in the skin causes infection which again leads to diseases like Monaligasis
            (9)Erythroschesis, Angina, Eshemic heart disease veinthrombosis, Embolism and some disease connected with circulation of blood in the heart.
            (10)The diaphragm in the lungs get weak. Extra effort for the function of the thorasic part of the longs, respiratory disease like pickwikian syndrome etc.
            (11)The belly formation called Abdominal Apron, Hernia which is caused by the pressure in the stomach.
            (12)Diabetes, Hypel lipideniasis, Gout, Cholestrol Galston etc.
            (13)Mental conflicts, complexes, feeling of alienation etc.
            To free from all these disease modern science recommends the vegetarian way of life.

          • Bagyaraj says

            Your Comment:- “3. Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth”
            You are mistaken or misguided by some fake people.The sharp teeth for human is for chewing or breaking the hard type nuts,vegetables etc.Please see the above comments which prove by considering all factors of both type of animals.

  42. indian_az says

    @aatish, yeh parh kb kiya keh raha tha Allah ke bare main
    http://agniveer.com/5936/were-buddhists-persecuted-by-hindus/#comment-52831
    tum logon ki ankhon par chashma charha rehta hai, pehle pagal power ne bad language use kari. phir bhi chal main tujhe dusra translation deta hun
    “It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise – they are the foundation of the Book – and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, “We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord.” And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.”
    what is the problem i dont know? if u want hidayat from quran u will get hidayat but if u want gumrahi then it is ur fault. as there are huroof e muqattat like ALM. if i cant understand what is exact meaning of ALM then what is the problem? there are muhkamat which is sufficient for hidayat.

    • says

      arabic_ass

      1. Seeking interpretation is equated to seeking discord in the verse, could not you see that? This verse asks Muslims to not interpret but take meanings literally because (True) interpretation is with Allah alone. (I enjoy the bracket words in contemporary translations because these words are not found in Arabic but added in translations to fool gullible like you)!

      2. If you cant understand ALM then it is Allah’s fault that (i) He made you dumb and (ii) Given that you are dumb, He revealed something that you can never understand.

      What is the use of the verses ALM etc? Why they were revealed?

      • indian_az says

        @aatish, do u know arabic? seeking interpretations which is not muhkam like arsh , ALM which u are doing. muhkam ayat are foundation of the book(ummul kitab) and you can have full guidance from ummul kitab.
        kiya tune kb ka woh comment parh liya aur jaan liya ki tum aryasamaji kitne zehrile ho?
        kiya tu koi explanation de sakta hai uski itne gandi language ka?

        • says

          @arabic_az

          I am not here as spokesperson of anyone. I am responsible for my comments alone. So better question my comments only.

          Now something in Arabic! From Quran- (If you know Arabic and know Quran then you must tell me the meaning of this portion)

          Va yahamilu arsha rabbuqa fauqahum yomaijeen samanyatan

          I will ask my question once you tell me the meaning :)

    • says

      arabic_ass

      And regarding KB’s comment, you can better ask him but let me say something.

      Jihadis like Zakir Naik and you have maligned Islam, Allah and Muhammad so badly that the world and especially intellectuals dont take them seriously. Jihadis worldwide humiliate Non Muslims, treat them as second class citizens, deny their religious freedom of worshipping and preaching, call idol worshippers/non believers as dirty/worst of creatures etc. They make fun of gods of others. Zakir Naik claimed errors in Vedas, Muhammad in Vedas and what not.

      So Islam in the whole world is known for intolerance and not for spirituality. This is the reason why people make fun of your beliefs more than anything else. You stop humiliating others, others will stop.

      2. But philosophically this question of gender of Allah is valid. If Quran has to be taken literally, which has to be as per Quran itself [3:7], when Allah has face, hands etc then what gender He is, this is valid question. But you dont have any answer for it.

      • indian_az says

        @ aatish, i have answered from vedmandir.com but u are getting angry????? when i asked y ur guru is using ishwar ke haath main hai?
        u can say anything regarding kb’s matter it is ur choice but u can never justify his language about Allah.
        zakir naik never used such word nor threatened anybody it is ur filthy mind which give u such answers.
        intolerance like what america is doing in iraq.. where are wmds? really islam is very intolerant, iraqis should have welcomed america with flowers. u r such filthy dirty mind persons that u can never support any innocent.

        • Truth Seeker says

          @indian_az
          ________guru is using ishwar ke haath main hai_____________
          If someone use such sentences like Oh, God now my life in your hands. Oh, God now everything in your hands, please help me. If I say now everything in God hands, only God can protect us.
          There is Bhajan
          Ab Sop diya iss jivan ka bhar tumhare hantho me
          Jit tumhare Hatho me aur har tumhare hatho main
          Do you understand meaning of such sentences used by humans.
          & Please do not forget this to answer:-
          http://agniveer.com/5936/were-buddhists-persecuted-by-hindus/#comment-53235

  43. indian_az says

    @aatish, you have written”And regarding KB’s comment, you can better ask him but let me say something.

    Jihadis like Zakir Naik and you have maligned Islam, Allah and Muhammad so badly that the world and especially intellectuals dont take them seriously”
    KB is intellectual? wow…hahaha

  44. indian_az says

    @atish, here is ur answer “and above them eight shall bear on that day your Lord’s power.”
    now tell me answer regarding loh e mahfooz? you deceiver…

      • indian_az says

        @aatish ulluh, if u know the arabic then y are u asking me? fool i have given u translation of ur line. now u tell me about lauh e mehfooz. aryasamji hate monger

        • says

          @arabic_ass

          Still clueless about ‘Power’? ;)

          Ok. Tell me which word corresponds to ‘Arsha’ in your translation and which translation you have used to back your claim?

          • indian_az says

            @aatish ullu, how could u get the clue if u dont know arabic? if you know the arabic then y wre u asking? you should enlighten us instead of asking?…….fool.

          • says

            @arabic_ass

            I enlightened you already :) Now dont run away, reply!

            Which word corresponds to ‘Arsha’ in your translation and which translation you have used to back your claim?

  45. indian_az says

    @aatish, you are fool, you have written “@arabic_az

    I am not here as spokesperson of anyone. I am responsible for my comments alone. So better question my comments only.”
    when i asked y u are using bad language for me and my parents then u were saying that i have used pagal power and kallu? if u are responsible for ur comments only then y are u using bad language to take others revenge?
    according to quran “And say, “Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart.” (it is mohkam ayat)

    • says

      @arabic_ass

      You missed the point. What KB or TS write about Islamic philosophy, it is none of my business. I saw you distorted KB’s name days ago and now crying when treated the same way.

      I have moral right to distort your name because you started it on this forum. My intention was never to avenge you but to give you the lesson. Now that this all was started by you, shots are fired from both sides and then for that I say I am not responsible for those. Additionally, concept of Lohe Mehfooz by TS has nothing to do with what I stand for.

      You cant complain me that what TS is saying is wrong and thus I am defeated.

  46. Slave of Islam says

    @ VIK , TRUTH SEEKER , PAGAN POWER , AAtish etc

    अल्लाह को समझने की औकात नहीं है तुम लोगों की.

    कुरान पाक को पढो गधों तो तुम्जे समझेगा की अल्लाह ने अपने ही पाक हाथों से आदम को बनाया था.
    पर तुम लोगो के मन में शैतान है इसीलिए तुम ये नहीं समझ पाओगे.

    जाकिर भाई की बात समझो. तुम्हारे वेद में लिखा है “तस्य प्रतिमा न अस्ति” फिर भी तुम लोग मंदिर में सर पटकते हो.
    हा हा हा हा

    इस्लाम ही सच्चा दीन है और हर एक मुसलमान जानत में जाएगा.

    पहले दीन ए इस्लाम में आ जाओ फिर तुम लोग सब समझ जाओगे.
    वरना मूर्ति पूजा करते करते तुम्हारी जिन्दगी बर्बाद हो जायेगी.
    इस्लाम को मानकर कलमा पढ़ लो.
    जाकिर भाई के शागिर्द बन जाओ नहीं तो तुम्हे दोजख में भी जगह नसीब नहीं होगी.
    अल्लाह ने दुनिया पाने हाथ से बनायीं तो क्या हो गया ?

    अल्लाह सब कुछ कर सकता है. अल्लाह तुम्हारे भगवन की तरह से डरपोक नहीं है की कुछ न कर सके.
    अब भी वक्त है की मुस्लिम हो जाओ.

    और अल्लाह सब जानता है

    • Truth Seeker says

      @Slave of Islam/Indian_FZ/Faizi
      ______अल्लाह को समझने की औकात नहीं है तुम लोगों की__________
      You are completely wrong. I have read Quran & Understood Allah Miya. I summarize here & I challenge you prove me wrong.
      1. Allah Mian on seventh Sky.
      2. Allah Mian sits on a throne As per Quran.
      3. IN the history of world first case of incest happened due to Allah’s divine Order.
      4. There is no difference between Mohamad & Allah.
      5. This is first & last creation of Allah since eternity. That means Allah was sitting idly before this creation. This creation is first work of Allah like first painting of any painter.
      6. Allah Mian is testing us because he do not know about us as educational exam conducted by Government to test the students.
      7. Allah Mian likes bowing down before stones & Kaba stone his favorite.
      8. Allah Mian gets change as per situation or time. Allah Mian also comes under the time frame. Allah Mian not beyond the time.
      9. Allah Mian can do anything, he can order to to do sex with sister & daughter – in law etc. as per his wish.
      10. Now Allah has changed completely. Allah Mian of past was different because he used to send prophets for the welfare of mankind. But now his nature has been changed & there is a permanent ban on prophet sending.
      List is very lengthy, if you interested i can mail you.

    • debarshis says

      @slave of islam zab mai hinduism mai rehta hu mujhe sukun milta hai…aur jab tumlog zakir jaise thought wale aa jate ho man asant ho jata hai……religion peace k liye bani hai humesha yaad rakhna….aur ek baat humlogo ko achhi tarah se patah hai ki bhagwaan ek he hai…baki sab unke alag alag roop hai….humlog agar hamara bhagwan ko murti bana k mane to usme galat kya hai….isse to psychologically aur strong devotion milta hai…as for example:audio-visual teaching or practical is better than reading….grow up man this practice is created by people to connect with good thoughts and god….agar tumlog aise sawal khare karoge to mai v puch sakta hu ki muslim dono hath mila k praying position mai bethke upar niche baar baar karke kyu naamaz parhta hai…allah ko pray karna hai to toilet mai beth k bhi kar sakte ho…..so..don’t spread this silly question…which you don’t know by your heart….you fool….if you go this way you will never rich the truth….you will be slave of islam forever…but not a devoted muslim……

  47. deepesh mishra says

    this is my first acquitance with this address n m already sick of this piece of crap slave of islam.this guy seems to be like one of those islamic religious nuts who throw stone on a womam till she drops dead. Seems like the only education he got was from one of those screwed up madrasa where moslem kids are brainwashed.
    I bet hi is one of those psychopaths who think to please alla they should strap abomb to themselves and blow some innocent people.
    And wts this psychobabble bullshit about heaven and hell. Is it goin to make ur life better.
    If ur rich go help sm1 who is poor .

  48. s says

    Karnataka and Chattisgarh Assembly passed the controversial cow slaughter ban Bill, which provides for stringent punishment for violaters and makes the offence cognisable and non-bailable.The bill was intended to replace the Prevention of Cow Slaughter and Cattle Preservation Act, Karnataka1964 and Chattisgarh2004, to prohibit the slaughter of cows and calves of she-buffaloes, bull, buffalo male or female.It is also aimed at preservation and improvement of the breeds of cattle and to endeavour to organise agriculture and animal husbandry in terms of Article 48 of the Constitution.

    The bill provides for stringent punishment for violation of the act, and also provides for powers to search and seizure of any premises including vessel or vehicle.

    • shravak says

      Other than banning, Govt should explain people why to oppose Cow slaughtering or Animal slaughtering, per se. Merely banning would not serve the purpose. We need to explain/educate them in a rational manner, why we should not kill Animals.

  49. sumit says

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  50. Bagyaraj says

    Robin Sharma, the Management guru used to say “ the words you speak, the food you eat, the thoughts you think, the action you take…. decide your life and destiny.
    So your destiny depends on four factors of which second factor is food. The Upanishads say that yatho anna thatho mana: = what you eat that your mind will be.
    Lion is a lion and tiger is a tiger because of their food also. The blood oozing flesh.

    Professor Vin berg has conducted a series of studies on the behavioral aspects of the above animals when they were fed with vegetarian food.Even cruel animals become mild when food pattern changes to vegetarian. Thus human beings when eat meat show high emotions, anger, over energy and so on.Thus food made of blood oozing flesh of an animal can definitely create terrible negative in the human body.

    World over people are changing to vegetarianism. You also change to vegetarian food. Let your children also enjoy only vegetarian food.The pain suffered by the animals when it is slaughtered is torrential. For getting a minutest feeling of the same, take a small pin and pierce that into your body.An animal has to suffer the pain for such a long period till the last breath is out .Think about the pain , if you are cutting your own throat or that of your family members.Every animal has the same or more pain than human suffering due to its thick skin is to be cut during slaughter using an ordinary knife.It is the criminal mistake done by the parents if they justify by saying that ‘ our children want non veg’

    • GOD IS GREAT says

      Vegetarianism is found to be scientific. According to scholars, the major difference between mammals and others; is availability of ears. So, if you notice some creature with ears, you can safely conclude that these are mammals (assuming it does not have ears cut) – this theory works true with no exceptions. Scientists have explanations for that too, I am not posting here due to space limitations. Same scientists have concluded that difference between a herbivore and a carnivore comes from water consuming habit. Look at lion, tiger, cheetahs etc, if they need to take water, they go to the water body (river, ocean, pond etc.) & take water TONGUE OUT. Rarely any herbivore does that. Herbivores take water matching with the way Humans do. All this is nature’s own mechanism of identification. So, someday if some new species is identified, its traits can be known accordingly. There is a poem written by a Persian scholar. Translated to Hindi, it reads: हिन्दु मरे हुओ को श्मशान में जलाते है – अत: वह रसोईघर जहाँ मरा हुआ पशु जले, श्मशान कहलाए तथा मुस्लिम मुर्दो को कब्रिस्तान में दफ़नाते है अत: वह पेट जहाँ मुर्दे पशु दफ़नाए जाए कब्रिस्तान ही है। Scientists support veg diet. Proof::: http://www.godsdirectcontact.org/eng/news/160/vg5.htm

      • Bagyaraj says

        @ God is Great,
        Some of the sceintific evidences.
        1)Our nails are flattened, and, unlike carnivores, we don’t have sharp,pointed teeth.
        2)Both humans and herbivores have carbohydrate digestive enzymes in our saliva; while carnivores and omnivores don’t.
        3)Most importantly, both the carnivores and the omnivores have a colon that is short, simple and smooth, and their stomach acidity is less than pH 1 with food in stomach; Humans, like herbivores, have a very long, complex and sacculated colon, and our stomach acidity is around pH 4 to 5.
        4)Our long intestine length is designed for a high fibre diet (found only in plant food). Meat does not digest well in such an environment,and often turns toxic, which contributes to colon cancer
        5)Carnivores enjoy the act of savaging and thescent of blood. Sharks, for example, arehighly aroused by the scent of blood.On the other hand, we cannot tolerate thesounds and cries of animals being killed, andthe mere sight of blood is disturbing to us.

        • GOD IS GREAT says

          Science says: Human body not suited for meat related diet. There are many references to support that. Some of them can be found here:

          hitxp.com/articles/society/moral-vegetarianism/
          hitxp.com/articles/society/vegetarianism-facts/
          stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/
          blog.atmajyoti.org/2008/04/humans-are-we-carnivores-or-vegetarians-by-nature/
          letthemeatmeat.com/post/430287173/are-humans-carnivores-omnivores-or-herbivores
          peta.org/living/vegetarian-living/The-Natural-Human-Diet.aspx
          vegsource.com/news/2009/11/the-comparative-anatomy-of-eating.html
          examiner.com/healthy-living-in-allentown/are-humans-carnivores-herbivores-or-omnivores
          Most important::: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7T-CS1TJf8

  51. Kawrno says

    I am directly going to points.
    1. Suppose someone cooked beef in a cooker. Can any Hindu use that cooker and the spoon, used in cooking beef, any more?
    2. If that spoon touches another cooker, is it permit-able to any Hindu to eat foods cooked in that second cooker any more?
    3. If a cleaning sponge used in cleaning a cooker used for cooking beef, or just heating the cooked beef, can that sponge be used further?

    • KalBhairav says

      @Kawrno:

      1. Suppose someone cooked beef in a cooker. Can any Hindu use that cooker and the spoon, used in cooking beef, any more?
      Depends on that Hindu, now, doesnt it?

      2. If that spoon touches another cooker, is it permit-able to any Hindu to eat foods cooked in that second cooker any more?
      Eh…we Hindus dont have bunch of Muftis with unshaven beards directing us to what is halaal and what is haraam and who is a Hindu and who is a non-Hindu. A general concensus evolves about how to deal with things and most Hindus will be happy to go along.

      3. If a cleaning sponge used in cleaning a cooker used for cooking beef, or just heating the cooked beef, can that sponge be used further?
      Again, we Hindus dont have bunch of Muftis with unshaven beards directing us to what is halaal and what is haraam. A general concensus evolves about how to deal with things and most Hindus will be happy to go along.

      Now, replace beef with pork in all your questions and let me know what YOUR answers are.

      • Kawrno says

        Now, replace beef with pork in all your questions and let me know what YOUR answers are.

        How could I know? I am a Hindu. I asked this question because in Bangladesh (I am a Bangladeshi by the way) every Hindu student faces these problems in the student hostels. Some says that it’s ok, we are not eating beef, so we have no problem with the spoons, cooker etc and this kind of problem is very childish. And some says that no, this IS a problem and those should not be used by any Hindu. And the most disgusting thing, at least to me, most of the Bangladeshi brahmins eat beef, and may be you will be shocked, beef is their favourite dish! As far I know, brahmins should never eat any meat. So they are not reliable with this fact, the answers of these question.

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  53. Bagyaraj says

    Thus the body of an individual is the product of the food and the environment where he was born and brought up. The body was initially given by the parents and the duty of the parents is to see that it is not built up using bad food. The body can accommodate to some extent some of the bad constituents but not for a long period and all type of poisons. That is the reason why, when people eat non veg, drink liquor, smoke, and eat many types of products, the body reacts against it. That reaction and action are the diseases. The highest number of patients in all branch of illness can be seen in India. Primarily, it is told that lakhs of cows and buffaloes are slaughtered, majority of them are sick and slaughter done under unhygienic conditions. They are the carrier of many diseases and the germs to human body. Hence, let the parents take care to bring up your children as good vegetarian which is the civilized and cultured life. Never cultivate the habit of making your children eat the blood and flesh of animals. If one has fallen in the culture of taking bribe, drinking liquor, taking drugs, then it is difficult to bring him back. Like that, it is difficult to bring your children back from non vegetarian food. Hence never start non veg in your home.

  54. Tim says

    If we can live without killing or harming animals, it is most excellent. I have one problem with regard to vegetarian diet as opposed to a vegan diet. In vegetarian diet, milk and dairy products are allowed and people use these liberally (milk, cheese, butter, ghee, etc..) Now, the point I make is that the dairy cows are much abused in many countries and suffer much more pain than beef cattle. In most countries, if not in all, the dairy cows are also killed for meat when they stop producing enough milk. If I was given only two choices for reincarnation in my next life, I would choose to be born as a beef cattle rather than a dairy cow. So, we should also be speaking out about the suffering of animals in the dairy industries, too! The offering of milk to Gods is akin to offering a product that is derived from causing great suffering to the cows. This is something the Hindu community should think deeply about. Hindus should go VEGAN …, it’s the only way out of this somewhat “double standard” we see.

    Sorry I digress from the tolpic somewhat, but I think my point needs to be considered.

    • GOD IS GREAT says

      Dear Tim! I support your initiative. But, it is not as easy as you are thinking it to be. As per a survey, 86% workers take either tea OR coffee to get some energy. Again, both of these are widely used in many countries. And I need not mention that milk is important ingredient in both of them. Also, curd is proven to contain health benefits (if consumed within some limit.)

      Also, one needs to see the conclusion. Beef cattle is given death penalty for being a cattle while dairy cattle is alive but abused. So, the point which you put relates to age old debate question – CAPITAL PUNISHMENT & LIFELONG IMPRISONMENT: Which of the 2 is better? Though both of these are worse, the betterment seems confusing. Some consider that capital punishment is better as life imprisonment kills by degrees while some say that indeed lifelong imprisonment is better as it is better to remain alive somehow.

      Anyways, what you are saying is mandatory. Movements have started worldwide to reduce meat intake. Soon movement to reduce sufferings of dairy cattle must be started.

    • says

      Dear Tim,
      What you are saying is an unfortunate true in many countries and hence your advice is worthwhile. However in India, that is not the case. Though some amount of commercialization has happened, cattle abuse does not take place. In Goshalas, cow first feeds the calf and then milk is extracted for public use. Thus consuming milk is not double standard here. For other countries, we appeal all to follow whatever is best course of action in terms of compassion.

      • Roy says

        On side – I hope you go into Sati. I heard there is nothing in it in the Vedas. Missionaries bring up two non-Veda writings where something about having the option of going into the pyre is mentioned. It would be helpful to know more on that and flesh that out like you have other scriptures. No one I know came from a Jati that did Sati. There was a census taken in the mid 19th century and in a popuation of 50 million Indians in India, there were only 600 cases of Sati.From my understanding it is not Vedic, It was never wide spread among jatis, In fact, many more Europeans were burned at the stake for witch craft thanks to the biblical versus saying never to suffer a witch to live, yet though witch killing is more directly from the bible, Christianity is not associate with it as much as Sati is with Hinduism though Sati is not in the Vedas, and vast majority of jatis never had Sati.

    • Dev Mahadevan says

      People confuse with ‘vegetarian/vegan’ with Saivite food. In Tamilnadu, we not call ‘Shakaahaari food’. We call it Saivite food. The meaning is it is the food of the followers of Lord Siva, or the food of the people who follow the teaching of Siva. Saiva Sidhdhaantha says, ‘Siva is love, Siva is against killing.’ Hence Saivites are against willful killing. The food they eat is not killed. Hence Saivites eat dairy products, which are obtaining by not killing any animals. Since there is no direct translation for Saivite food, Westerners started using the word ‘Vegetarian food’ loosely since most of the food is vegetarian in origin. Perhaps, it was translated into Hindustani from English as ‘Shaakhaahaari food’ later. Again, to differentiate between ‘Saivite food’ and ‘pure vegetarian food’, a word ‘vegan’ was coined.
      Please do not advise ‘Hindus should go VEGAN. First, understand before going on attack mode and advising. Hindus do not go attacking other religions unnessarily. They respect all. Hence I do not understand why other religious people are eager to attack the tenets of Hinduism. Maybe they are afraid of the universal truth in ‘Sanathana Dharma’ — Hindusim?

  55. Dr. K.K. Malhotra says

    Comments have been based on real meanings outlined by the Rshis but a lot needs to be done to clear the clouds surrounding such misinterpratations. I wish to be kept updated on the comments.
    Thanks.
    Regards.

  56. hinduagnostic says

    is ur true manusmriti says some animals can be eaten or is this an error by western translators?

    • Ankur says

      @hinduagnostic : Anything that is not in line with the veda is to be rejected,vedas say that any being that can be a mother or a father should not be killed.

  57. Vinu says

    Ya aamam maansamadanti paurusheyam cha ye kravih
    Garbhaan khaadanti keshavaastaanito naashayaamasi
    Atharvaveda 8.6.23

    We ought to destroy those who eat cooked as well as uncooked meat, meat involving destruction of males and females, foetus and eggs.

    Yadi no gaam hansi yadyashwam yadi poorusham
    Tam tvaa seesena vidhyaamo yatha no so aveeraha
    Atharvaveda 1.16.4

    If someone destroys our cows, horses or people, kill him with a bullet of lead.

    Hi Bros,

    If people were to literally follow these verses and go about killing / destroying meat eating people saying these are the words of god and thus the ultimate truth, as Islamists do today citing phrases from their holy book, would you condone their action saying alas it’s there in the Vedas so that’s what the almighty really wanted? I am just trying to point out what I consider as a great flaw when we say that a book (or books) is the teachings of god or the ultimate truth.

    Regards,
    Vinu

  58. Aman Rishi says

    Hi Agniveer, first of All, I would like to congratulate you for the wonderful work that you guys are doing for Hinduism. Some bastards like Zaid Hamid trying every thing to malign Hinduism.

    This is the right time that religious scholars should come forward and give them right reply. Otherwise there are most of middle class literate hindus, who are religious ignorant will be there easy target of conversion.

  59. says

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    • Raja says

      Property rights as per Vedas do not differentiate between men and women. Refer http://agniveer.com/manu-smriti-and-women/ section on Property Rights.

      Also RigVeda 10.61.7:
      Pita Yat Swam Duhitaram Adhi Skan Kshamaya retah Sanjagmaano Nishinchat: That father who has attempted to create progeny with his wife should accept his daughter as his heir.
      Su Adhyah Devah Brahma Ajanayan: Contemplative noble people believe in this knowledge that
      Swam Duhitaram Vaastoh Patim: Ones own daughter becomes the inheritor
      Vrata Paam Nir Atakshan: From her obtain future progeny.

      In case the child born is a daughter, he should consider daughter as the inheritor and obtain future inheritors through daughter. In other words, whether it is son or daughter, does not make a difference.

  60. says

    Because the gestation period of cows is almost exactly the same as for humans, their flesh is vibrationally equivalent to human flesh. Therefore, eating any Bos species, e.g.
    B Indicus or B. Taurus, has the same vibrational effect and karmic consequences
    as cannibalism!!!

    No better reason for avoiding beef !!

    • The Islamist says

      @Sampath Kumar

      Should you not have a better reason for NOT posting this lame piece of crap ? Though your perception is irrelevent to the article but still for a better understanding would you mind detailing on the term ” Vibrationally Equivalent ” and How it becomes comparable to Cannibalism ?

      • raj.hyd says

        quran me bhi dusre sandarbh me cow[gaay] ki bat ayi hai dekhe quran2/67-73 jisme kisi vishesh gaay ki hatya karke uske mans ko kisi murde ko chulane par vah murda jivit hokar apne hatyare ka nam batlakar fir se mar jata hai ! kya yah kahani kabhi sachhi ho skti hai abhi kuch sal pahale pakistan ki bhutpurv pradhan mantri begam benazeer bhutto ko kuch islami atankvadiyo ne din dahade khule aam unki hatykarke bhag gaye the tab kisi vishsh gaay ke mas ko chula karke begam benazeer bhutto ko jivitkarke isalmi desh pakistan ki sarkar ne qurani chamatkar[tareeka] fir se kyo nahi pesh kar diya ? kya quran ki yah kahani kabhi sachhi ho sakti hai ? agar sabhi muslim bhi quran ki yah gaay vali kahani ko sahi sabit kar de kisi janwar ya kisi bhi murde manshy ko ek gaay kya kai lakh gaay ki hatya karke uske mans se kisi bhi murde ko jivit kar de to ham kuran par astha rakhne ke liye vichar kar sakte hai varna sabhi padhe likhe muslim samajhdar muslim,sachhai ko pasand karne vale muslim manvtavadi muslimo ko “turant ” quran ki sangati chhod deni chahiye ! ham puchna chahenge ki quran ne is jhuthi kahani ka sahar kyo liya ?kya sachaai bhut kal vartman kal aur bhavishykal me saman nahi hoti hai ? kya hamare muslim bandhu hamari chunauti ko svikar karne ka sahas dikhlayenge ? aise hi quran me 2/65aur 5/60me kisi giroh ko kurani allah ka kahana na manne par unko bandar aur suwarbana diya tha ham apne muslim bandhuo se puchna chahenge ki kurani allah ne kis tarike se un giroho ko bandar v suwar banaya tha ? aj bhi to karib is duniya me 75% gair muslim hai jo kuran ki bat nahi mante hai vah kyo nahi suwar v bandar bana diye gaye ? kuran ne is jhuthi kahani ka bhi sahara kyo liya kya koi muslim iska javab dena chahenga ?

  61. The Islamist says

    @Raj.Hyd Ji

    Aapne khud ko vastawikta se kaheen bohot upar aank rakh hai kintu Main apko yaad dilana chahta hun k Aap bhi ek sadharan manushya hi hain auron ki tarha. Apki Islam mein aastha ho jane ya na hone se Islam ka koi bolbala hojaye aisa bhi nahi hai.

    Jin Verses( 2:67- 72) se apko apatti hai wo Ek Khas Ghatna/chamatkar ka varnan karti hain jo prophet Moses (pbuh) tatha israeli logon k beech ki hai. Qur’an ko jhoota sabit karne ki jaldibazi mein aapne wohi tareeka benazeer bhutto k hatyaron ko khojne mein upyog karne ka sujhaw de diya.. hasya aspad !!

    Shriman ! aapne jis kushalta se us tareeke ko Islam ka ek general rule sabit karne ki viphal koshish ki hai kya aap usi kushalta se ye batane ka kasht karenge ke Qur’an ki wo kaun si aayatein hain jo kisi bhi kaal mein kisi ki bhi hatya hojane pe cow sacrifice wale usi tareeke ka upyog karne ko kehti hai ??? Agar aap apni asamarthta vayakt karte hain to fir pathako ko ye samajhne mein der na lagegi ke Jhoota kaun hai….

    • raj.hyd says

      @ the islamist ji, agar ham kahe ki ham ishwar ho gaye hai !ya niyukt ho gaye hai ya hamko rasool bana diya gaya hai ! tab kya aap ya any manushy isko svikar karlenge ?isko bhi chamatkar kyo nahi man ja sakta ? yah chamatkar kya hota hai ? yani jo jhuthi bat ho usko chamatkar ke nam par jhuth ko svikar kar liya jaye? n kabhi gaay ke mans se kabhi koi murda jivit ho sakta tha aur n kabhi age hoga ? lathi kabhi sanp nahi banti , chand ke 2 tukde kabhi nahi ho sakte? farishto ka kabhi vajud nahi hota ibrahim ne apni santan ke badle kisi medha[janwar] ki bali nahi ki ! 6 din me yah sansar nahi bana, sat asman nahi hote , muahmmd ji ko kabhi meraz nahi ho sakti ! kuran kabhi ishvar ki vani nahi ho sakti yah sab jhuthi bate chamatkar ke nam sachhi nahi kahi ja sakti! isliye ishwar ne sharir me mastishk bhi diya hai kuch sochiye vichar kijiye aur sath me har bat ki janch bhi kijiye lakir ki fakir ki tarah har bat mat maniye !!

  62. jai shankar says

    @the islamist,bhai jaan ye mans khane na khane ka sawal nahi hai.sawal hinsa ka hai.agar mans ped par lagta to koi bhi virodh ki baat nahi thi par jab ek prani ki hatya kar ke uski jaan le ke koi uska mans khata hai to vo paap hai.ab ye paap do karno se hai,jab tumko khane ko aur sadhan hai,aur phir bhi tum mans kha rahe ho to paap hai.par jab tumari jaan hi ja rahi ho aur bina mans khaye tum zinda nahi rahte to vo paap nahi hai.par sirf aadat ke karan mans kha rahe ho to paap hai.ahinsa ke mane to jab hum sans lete hai to lakho jeev mar jaate hai,upwas vrat karte hai to pet ke andar ke jeev marte hai,hum khud apna mans khana shuru karte hai.to ahinsa ka palan karna tatva ke sakshatkar ke bina asanbhav hai.jab tak koi ye nahi jaan leta ki yaha koi bhi marta nahi aur maarta nahi,aatma amar hai.tab tak ye ahinsa ki baate karna uchit nahi.mahaveer ki ,buddha ki ahinsa alag hai.unko ped,pashu,jal,aanna,hawa,inme bhi jeev hai unme bhi parmatma dhikhai diya.to ye karuna se bhar gaye ki inki hatya karna sanbhav hi na ho paya.mahaveer saal me ek din hi bhojan karte the.par ye koi mahaveer hi kar sakta hai.jiski aisi karuna ho vaisa koi bhi kar sakta hai.

  63. The Islamist says

    @ jai shankar ji

    Abhi tak maine maans khane ke na to paksh mein aur na hi vipaksh mein kuch bhi kaha tha fir aap is vishay pe charcha hi kyun kar rahe hain mujhse ? Ab jab vishay nikal hi aaya hai to chaliye do baatein ho jaayein.

    To aap maans khane ke viruddh hai.aagey apke anusar jeev hatya kar maans khana hinsa ka roop hai artharth jaghanya paap hai agar apke paas khane ke aur bhi sadhan hain… chaliye yahan tak theek hai…
    aap fir kehte hain ke yehi jeev hatya tab hinsa nahi kehlati jab jeevan raksha ke liye maans khana anivarya ho jaaye. tab yehi hatya,yehi hinsa jeevan rakhshak ho jati hai….

    Shankar Ji ! mera aapse sawal ye hai ke ye dohre maapdand kyun ? Kisne apko ye adhikar diya ke aap apne pran bachane ke liye kisi prani ki hatya kar uske maans ka sevan kar sakte hain ? aakhir manushya ke pran ka itna Mahatva kyun ke uske pran bachane ke liye kisi nirdosh jeev ki hatya kar di jaaye ? tab Kya aap Swarthi nahi ban jante ? tab apke jeevon ke prati ahinsavadi dhakosle lupt kyun ho jate hain ? Agar aisa karna anyay nahi hai to iska karan hai apki manyata evam apki dhaarna….

    Kaisi manyata ya dhaarana??? Manyata ye ke Manushya bhagwan ke banaye hue baaki saare praniyon se shreshth hai,uska jeevan amulya hai,atulniya hai..atah Manushya sarvshreshth prani hai..

    Qur’an 95:4 bhi yehi kehta hai “We have indeed created man in the best of moulds” aur vastawikta bhi yehi hai.
    Na to Qur’an Maans khane se rokta hai aur na hi apka Ved. apki ikcha ho to aap khayein na ho to na khayein.

    • raj.hyd says

      The Islamist ji ,kisne kaha ki maushy bada hai uske liye hi sab kuch hai kyaaapne sabne jabnnvaro ki seva karte huye nahi dekha hai kya kamau ghode ke liye malish karte huye manushy nahi dekhe gaye hai /aura manshyo ko bhi raja mantri saansad adi ki seva karte huye v desh ki khatir apni jan dete huye javan nahi sune v dekhe gaye hai ? manushy se bada vichar hota hai! ek vishesh vichar ki khatir vyakti uske prati kartvashil rahata hai, uske liye apni jan bhi sharsh nyochavar kar deta hai apna balidan de deta hai ! batlaiye fir manushy kaha bada raha gaya ? yah sari kaaynaat[sansar] manushy ke vaste kahan hua ? kya aap bhi islam muhammad ji v kuran ke liye jaan dene ke atur nahi ho jate ? fir ap jaise manushy kaha bade rah gaye ?

  64. jai shankar says

    @the islamist,bhaijaan,aap tark de rahe hai iska matlab aap ko kuch buddhimani hai ye pata chalta hai.magar aap sirf buddhi se kaam chalate to aap insan nahi kahlayenge.kyoki aap me sirf buddhi hi nahi hai us se bhi jyada kuch hai,jise nitishastra,bhavshastra,vicharshastra kahate hai.aadmi aur janvar me yahi buniyadi bhed hai.janvar ke paas aadmi se bhi jyada akal hai,ex. aadmi ki naak ki sungne ki shakti kam hai,par kutte ki jyada,raat ko aadmi dekh nahi pata magar ullu,billi,sab dekhte hai.to ye jo vichar niti hai is se aadmi aur janvar me fark hua.aap agar vicharshil hai to aap ko pata chalega ki aadmi mansahari hai ki shakahari.agar aadmi mansahari hota to kaccha maans ko khana chahiye.ye usko paka ke kha raha hai,swad le raha hai,ye sabit karta hai ki vo mansahari nahi hai.

  65. jai shankar says

    @the islamist,bhaijaan,aap tark de rahe hai iska matlab aap ko kuch buddhimani hai ye pata chalta hai.magar aap sirf buddhi se kaam chalate to aap insan nahi kahlayenge.kyoki aap me sirf buddhi hi nahi hai us se bhi jyada kuch hai,jise nitishastra,bhavshastra,vicharshastra kahate hai.aadmi aur janvar me yahi buniyadi bhed hai.janvar ke paas aadmi se bhi jyada akal hai,ex. aadmi ki naak ki sungne ki shakti kam hai,par kutte ki jyada,raat ko aadmi dekh nahi pata magar ullu,billi,sab dekhte hai.to ye jo vichar niti hai is se aadmi aur janvar me fark hua.aap agar vicharshil hai to aap ko pata chalega ki aadmi mansahari hai ki shakahari.agar aadmi mansahari hota to kaccha maans ko khana chahiye.ye usko paka ke kha raha hai,swad le raha hai,ye sabit karta hai ki vo mansahari nahi hai.tum kahoge ki fir ye sabjiya paka ke kyo khata hai,to ye sirf usko hajam hove is karan uski jo dant aur pet ki rachna hai vo shakahar se bhi najuk chiz khane ke liye bani hai.sabhi fruits pakaye nahi jate.

  66. jai shankar says

    @the islamist,bhaijaan,manushya ke upar agar ye nirbhar hota ki kya sahi hai aur kya galat to kitna accha hota.bhir ye baat khane tak hi simit kyo hai?manushya aapne aapne vichar se bhi swatantra hona chahiye,koi bhagwan ko idols se puja kare ya bina idols ke,ya koi usko mane hi na.to phir ye to manushya ki manmani ho jayegi aisa tum kahoge.vichar par to tum kahte ho eshwar ko manushya ko kya karna chahiye aur kya nahi.par khane par us kabhi halal ya haram chize batana ye kahatak sahi hai.agar quran me maans khana haram hota to tum maans nahi khate,aisa hi na ?to tum maans kha rahe ho iska karan quran hai.tum suvar ka maans nahi khate par isai to khate hai,chinawale khate hai.ye allah ne suvar banaya hi kyo??na banata na khane ki noubat aati.ab tum inko dekhna bhi pasand nahi karte.par ye to galikuche me phalphul rahe hai.

  67. raj.hyd says

    muslim bandhu suwar ka nam lena bhi pasand nahi karte hai fir kya yah suwar ko banne vale ki tauheen nahi hai ? kuran me to apatkal me me suwar ka mans khane ko bhi chhut di hai !fir suwar ke nam se parhej muslim bandhuo ko kyo hai ?

  68. The Islamist says

    @ raj.hyd

    ohhh ! prateet hota hai humne apki kisi dukhti rag pe hath dhar diya.aap to kunthit ho uthe maharaj.. aapne humara anurodh swikar nahi karke humare sawal ka jawab nahi diya. Raj ji sach to ye hai ke aap lajawab ho chuke they. Qur’an ki ek bhi aayah us samudaye vishesh k liye kiye gaye chamatkar ko ek general rule ki tarha lagoo karne ko kehti hi nahi.

    ab aap aarop gadh rahe hain ke Islami chamatkar saare jhoothe hain aur buddhiman logon ko inper vishwas nahi karna chahiye… aapke aisa kehne ka karan spasht hai ke ye baatein apko asangat dikhthi hain. main Vedon ke chamatkar to aapko fir kabhi dikhla dunga usse pehle mooh tod jawab ke roop mein main apko ek aisa chamatkar hun jispe apko bhi utna hi bharosa jitna humein.

    Ishwar/Allah/God …. Inhe jis bhi naam se bula lijye lekin inme apki aastha to hai hi. Ishwar ka hona hi ek chamatkar hai. kyun vishwas hai apko uspe jisey na to aapne dekha hai na bolte hue suna hai aur na hi uske astitva ki koi jankari hi apke paas mein hai. uska swayam kaheen se prakat hokar saari rachnayein kar dena kya Illogical nahi lagta hai ? Vedon ne keh diya ke Ishwar hai aur aapne maan bhi liya ? bohot khoob… kintu ab aap apni buddhi se uske hone ko pramanit nahi karna chahenge jis tarha kisi chamatkar ke hone ka praman mangte hain ? Kya ab aap ise matr kalpana nahi kahenge..kya ab yeh jhoota nahi hai ????

    apke paas do hi vikalp bachte hain.. Ya to vishwas karna hoga ke chamatkar hote they aur hue hain ya fir pramanit karna hoga us andhekhe ansune Ishwar ko jispe atoot vishwas hai apka…

    • raj.hyd says

      @The islamist ji , ham kunthit kyo honge ? yahchamatkar kya hota hai jhuthi bate chahe ved ki kitab me ho yakuran adi vah manne ke kabil hargij nahi hai !andhe bankar koi bhi bat manna pasand nahi karte hai ? ishwar kabhi prakat nahi hota hai ? ishwar kya hai ? ishvar ek chetan shakti ka nam ishwar hai ? kya bijli ka karent kabhi dikhta hai kya manushy ke hone vale dard ko koi dekh paya hai kya hava dikhti hai ? kya bhukh kabhi dikhti hai yah sab mahasus ki jati hai sansar ki rachana manushy ke ankh kaan nak adi ko dekh karke , apne v sab ke jivan ko dekh karke ishwar ki shakti mahasus hoti hai ! ab ap isko chamatkar kahiye ya rozana hone vali ghatnyaye ? jo saty hota hai vah trikal saman hota hai yani vartman me bhi , bhutkal me bhi v bhavishy kal me bhi vah sambhav hona chahiye ! jab ishwar ko is tarah se samjha hai tab usko mana hai kisi kitab me padhkar ishwar ko kadapi nahi mana hai!

  69. The Islamist says

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    @ jai shankar ji

    apne mere prashn ka koi uttar hi nai diya jab Maine aapse poocha tha agar samanya jeevan mein jeev hatya kar maans khana apradh hai to apne pran raksha ke liye jeev hatya kar uska maans kha lena jeevo ke prati hinsa kaise nahi hai ? ye adhikar apko kisne de rakha hai ? jeevo ke pran se zyada apka pran itna mahatvapoorn kyun ? ye dohre maapdand kyun?

    Maine to swikar kiya hi ke manushya Allah ke banaye hue sabhi praniyon mein shreshth hai aur Maans ke sevan se na to Qur’an aur na hi Ved apko rokte hain. Lekin ab aap kehte hain ke Jeevo ko humse zyada akal hoti hai aur udahran diya ke Kutte soongh sakte hain,billiyan.ullu raat ke andhere mein dekh sakte hain ityadi ityadi….
    Shankar Ji… aapne kaha main buddhiman hun kyun ke maine tark sangat baat kahi hai iska dhayawad. Kash main bhi apke liye aisa kuch keh sakta.Lekin apke tark se lagta hai ke sach mein apke andar jaanvaro jitni akal bhi nahi hai. bura na maniyega..samjhata hun kaise.

    Billi,ullu,sher,cheeta adi .. inki raat ke andhere mein dekh paane ki akshamta… Kutte ke sungh paane ki shakti.. aadi ka Akal ya buddhi se kya lena dena ? ye unki swabhavik khoobiyan hai shriman na ke unke akal ka kamal..

    waise to topic jeev hatya kar maans khane ka tha lekin aap ise kisi nayi disha mein hi lekar jaa rahe hain… Maan bhi lein ki apka tark uchit hai aur jaanvar humse adhik buddhiman hain to fir aap hi bata dijye ke apne pran bachane ke liye unki hatya karne ko aap uchit kaise thehrate hain jab unke maans se apni bhook ko tript karna apki nazar mein hinsa hai ???

  70. jai shankar says

    @the islamist,bhaijaan,aap ek baat bataye,ye eshwar,allah,god bina aadmi ke kyo nahi rahte?inko aadmi ki jarurat kyo padati hai? Aadmi+belief=eshwar,allah,god aisa samikaran kyo hai?ye aadmi bina belief kiye bhi eshwar ko jaan sakta hai.to ye beliefs ka itna hangama,jabardasti,kis liye ki ja rahi hai.agar kisi ko pyas lagi ho to vo khud pani ki talash me lagega.magar kisi ko pyas hi na lagi ho aur tum use majburan pani pilaoge to kya ye jurm nahi hoga? Allah,god,eshwar ki jisko pyas hai usko kisi belief ki koi jarurat nahi padti.kya muhammad ne allah me belief kiya tha?sirf satya ki pyas chahiye to uska anubhav hota hai,usko phir tum eshwar,allah,god kuch bhi kaho.ved belief nahi sikhate khoj se hi eshwar milega aisa batate hai,khoj ki chah badhate hai.ved ke mane gyan,belief nahi.sirf jigyasa hi aadmi ko eshwar ke darshan karane me shayak hoti hai.bina khoje,bina talashe allah me vishawas karna tarksangat nahi hai,kisi ke bhi liye.kyoki eshwar,allah,god ye nijta me hi ,akelepan me hi milte hai,muhammad bilkul akele the tabhi unko vahya hua.sab ke samne ,ya bheed me allah ne unse baate nahi ki.jitna aadmi akela hota hai utna hi satya ke karib hota hai.ekant me baithne ka mahatva ved ke rishi ne sabse pahle jaana.sabhi rishi jungle me akele dhyan karte the.

  71. jai shankar says

    @the islamist,bhaijaan, main tumko thodi der ke liye hosihyar billi manata hu.naraj mat hona,dekho ab tum billi ho aur hoshyar billi jo likh sakti hai,bol sakti hai.tumko ek dhram granth likhna hai,to tum usme vahi baate likhoge jo tumko pasand ho,chuha tumara sabse pasandida hoga.kutta tumara dushman hoga.ab ek aisi hi kitab kutte ne bhi likhi to uske hisab se haddi pasandida hogi.bade janvar uske dushman honge.phir aayegi aadmi ki bari to vo sab janvar ko nicha kahega,uska maans khana ,unko gulam banana,aisi baate likhega.to ye aadmi jo janvar kah raha hai vahi to baat kah raha hai.ye aadmi shresth kaise aur kaha se ho gaya? Tumari jaan mushkil me hai aur tum agar marne ki halat me ho,to tum maans kha sakte ho iska matlab manushya shresth hai aisa nahi hai.agar tum kamjor ho gaye to ye janvar tumko khayenge,tum inka bhojan banoge,iske pahle ki ye tumko khaye tum inko khavo.sirf jaan bachane ke waqt aisa maine kaha tha.kya tum apna maans kutte ko khane doge? Agar itni daya aur karuna tum me hoti, to tum aadmi ke bhich me rahna chod janvaro ke bhich rahana pasand karte.

  72. The Islamist says

    @ jai shankar ji

    Pehle to main apse nivedan karunga ke ek vishay pe jab tak charcha khatam na hojaye tab tak doosre vishay ko saamne na layein. charcha Maans khane pe ho rahi hai aur jab tak aap meri baaton se sehmat nahi ho jaate ya main apki batein na maan lun tab tak charcha ka koi nishkarsh nai niklega…

    chaliye aage badhte hain…aapne apne comment mein likha

    “quran me maans khana haram hota to tum maans nahi khate,aisa hi na ? to tum maans kha rahe ho iska karan quran hai.”

    Keh to aap aise rahe hain jaise maans khana ek jaghanya apradh hogaya. Haan sahi kaha agar Qur’an mein ye haram hota to Muslims maans nahi khate. Lekin aapko apatti kyun hai ispe ? kyunki Qur’an ki ye baat apke halak ke paar nahi hoti isliye ya kewal isliye ke aapko aisa lagta hai ?

    Pehle to aapne bhi kaha tha pran raksha ke liye maans kha sakte hain.To apradh tab kyun nahi hai shriman ji..yehi to pooch raha hun main kabse….

    Raha sawal kya kewal Qur’an hi hai jo Maans khane ki swatantrata hai ya fir Veda mein bhi Maans khane ke praman milte hain…. ???

    To aap kewal Agniveer ji ke gyan pe nirbhar nahi reh sakte… kyun ???

    http://islamhinduism.com/hinduism/analysis/164-beef-eating-in-vedas-and-other-hindu-texts

    Ye padh lijye pehle fir baat karte hain… kam se kam iske baad aap kewal Qur’an ko katghare mein khada nahi kar sakenge…..

    • raj.hyd says

      the islamist ji, jo kuran ko nahi mante ya jinhone kabhi kuran nahi dekhi hai vah bhi mans khate hai ? muslimandhvishvasi bhi hote hai isliye agar kuran me mans ka virodh hota to muslimshayd mans mnahi khate sharab ka virodh hai lekin kai karod muslim sharab pi liya karte hai aur kai karod muslim sharab ki or dekhna bhi pasand nahi karte hai ! duniya me har jagah mans hamesha “vivadit” raha hai” mansahari vshakahari do adhar bangaye hai lekim genhu hari ya chaval hari adi ka adhar nahi ban paya hai ? manushy ka jivan ek janvar ke ke mukable me mahatvpurn hai tab apatkal me apni jan bachane ke liye kuch log janvar ka mans khane ka samarthan kar sakte hai lekin ham chahenge ki tab bhi janvar ka mans nahi khaya jaye ? janvar ko bhi jine ka adhiikar milna chahiye jis adhara par janvar jita hai usi adhar ko manushy apna jivan kyo n banaye ? jab janvar shakahar kha kar jivit rha leta hai to manushy kyo nahi jivit raha sakta ?agar manushy ko mans khana priy hai to usi adhar par sher cheeta adi ko manushy ka mans bi khana priy ho sakta hai ? tabkya ham us hinsak janvatr ka tark svikar karna passand karenge ap kuran pakshi hai kuran ki bat ko kajbuti dene ke karan apko majburan mans khane ka bhi paksh rakahne ko kajbur hona padta hai yah hai ek mansikta ?jo vyakti jiska sevan karta hai uske liye jidd pakad leta hai , fir usko sachhai se matlab nahi hota apni galti svikar karna usko pasand nahi hota ek duragrah ka janm jarur ho jata hai ? bahut se mata pita apne bachhe ka galat paksh lete hai aur bahut se mata pita apne bachhe ka galat paksh nahi lete hai adalato me jydatar jhuthi gavahi manushy diya kartehai usi ke adhar par kabhi majburan nyay bhi ho jaya karta? kya aisa hona chahiye jab pulis ka chapa apradhi ke ghar me padta hai tab adhikansh parivar vale apni santan ki raksha karne age aa jate hai . sanbhav hai ki kuch mamlo me pulis bhi galat ho ? jahan pulis galat ho uska parda fash bhi jarur kiya jana chahiye!jo logmans khate hai aurkuranme likha hai us kuranko majbuti dene ke liye vah ved me bhi pahuch jate hai ki ved me bhi mans khana likha hai agar aam ek fal hai us ka mans kya hoga aam ka guda ? aisi hi ved me kuch jagah likha hua hoga ? fir bhi agar ved me ho ya geeta me ho ya ramayan adi me ho vah hamko many nahi hai jiyo aur jine do ahinsa ka kafi had tak ham samarthan karna chahenge ? kyoki usi me jyada bhalai hai khun khraba nahi hai ham puchna chahenge ki muslim mans khate hai kuran me bhi likh diya gay hai kya muslim janvar ki hatya kisi masjid me karte hai kaaba me kya janvar ki hatya hoti hai in jagaho ko kyo chod diya gaya ? kyo mans khane ke liye halal v haran[gair halal] ka bhed dala gaya hamne kabhi apne jivan me mans nahinkhaya hai kya anjane koi bhi muslim halal v gair halal ke mans me bhed ko pahachan dakta hai ?bas vahpuch sakta hai ki yah mans halah hai ya gair halal? ham to yah bhi kahana chahenge ke ki kuran ne islam ne kuch mamlo me mans khane me rok bhi lahgahgayihai jaise svatan mare janvarka mans mat khao kisi bakre ke ka agar kan kata huay ho uska mans mat khao allah ke siva kisi aur ke nam se janvar ki hatya ki gayi ho uska mans mat khao kaba me janvar ki hatya mat karo yah sab paksh janvar ke hit me “bhi ” jate hai ?aur manushy ko mans khane ki udarta par rok lagate hai ?

  73. The Islamist says

    @ raj.hyd ji

    Apne kaha “yah chamatkar kya hota hai jhuthi bate chahe ved ki kitab me ho ya kuran adi vah manne ke kabil hargij nahi hai”

    Ek ore jahan Allah per,uske kitabon per,uske paigambaron (pbu all) per tatha Qur’an ki har ek aayah per mera vishwas hai waheen doosri ore Aap apni soch ko sahi thehrane ke liye Vedon mein likhi aisi baton ko sire se hi nakar rahe hain aur unhe Jhoota tak kehne mein sankoch nahi kar rahe. isse apki apni dharmik granth aur dharm pe kitni aastha hai ye samajhna kathin nahi. jaane anjaane apne apna hi mazaak banaya hai..

    aap ke tark bhi apki astha ke saman khokhle dikhai pad rahe hain… kyonki

    current dikhta nahi hai raj ji lekin current ko measure kiya jaa sakta hai.Dard dikhta nahi lekin dard ki sanad jeev de sakte hain.hawa dikhai nahi padti prantu hawa ke veg ko bhi maapa jaa sakta hai aur isi prakar bhook ki sanad insan deta hai bhale hi wo dikhai na pade.. to kaheen na kaheen kisi na kisi roop mein inki sanad inke hone ka praman humare saamne aa hi jaati hai..

    Baat ghoom fir kar waheen pahuch jaati hai aur aisa sambhav hi nahi ke aap Ishwar ya Allah ko maney bhi aur fir uske dwara dikhaye gaye chamatkar ko jhoota bhi keh dein.. aap us kaal mein hotey to nisandeh apki dharna kuch aur hoti kintu aaj inke hue hone ka praman maangna moorakhta hai buddimani nahi…

    • raj.hyd says

      @The islamisht ji, asthaye sachhi bhi ho sakti hai aur jhuthi bhi iski janch kaise ho sakegi vishvas sachhe bhi ho sakte hai aur andh vishvas bhi ho sakte hai unki janch kaise ho sakegi ? duniya me dhurtata bhi hai fir kaise unki janch ho sakegi ham kisi bhi kitab ko ankh michkar svikar nahi kiya karte hai ! ap v any logo ko andh vishvas svikarna haito bhale hi svikar karte rahe jhuth ke raste par fisla jana bahut asan hota hai ?fir us par apni drdhta dikhlana ki vahi sachha hai kya isko murkhta nahi kah jayega dimag me jab ek jhuthi bat jam jati hai tab ek duragrah ka janm ho jata hai ki bas,vahi saty hai, asthaye vishvas adi ki ek” khara sona ” kyo nahi banai ja sakti fir aap muslim hinduo ki murtipuja adi kyo nahi svikar kar lete ki vah un murtiyo ke madhyam se ishwar ko yad kar liya karte hai ? aj har disha dushit ho gayi hai uska parishkar [sudhar ] kyo n kiya jaye ? bahut se jagahao par prashvachak chinh kyo n lagaye jaye ? prashnvachak chinh hi hamko ek khoj ka avsar dete hai kya kab kahan kidhar kyo adi gyaan ki khoj me madad karti hai ! muhamamd ji ne kab me rakhi 360 murtiyo ko kyo nahi svikar kar liya ?asambhavchije kyo svikarkar lijaye ? isa ji ne ek kanya se janm liya kya yah sambhav hai ? ap bhale hi svikar karte rahe ham to svikar nahi kar sakenge ?kal ko yah bhi kah sakta hai ki aloo ki taraha aam bhi jamin ke neche fal diya karte the jo ab nahi dete hai kya in sabhi bato ko svikar kar liya jaye ? yahsaba chamatkar hai svikar kar lo ?kya chamatkar shab isi liye banaya gaya hai ? fir sidhe sidhe jhuth ko hi kyo n svikar kar liya jaye ? jhuth bhi to bahut se mamle me jivan me mahatv purn bhumika nibhate hai ?yah vishvas bahut bada ghatak tatv hai !jivan me khoj kijiye , uski anubhuti kijiye ! vishvas age badhne ko sochne ko rokti hai khoj age badhne me madad karti hai ! jitna sambhav ho sake janch karne ki koshish kijiye !

  74. jai shankar says

    @the islamist,bhaijaan,aap jab ki maans khana chahate hai,to pahle aap uske layak hai ya nahi ye to dekhiye.main jab jaan jane ke waqt ki baat kar raha hu,tab aadmi ko kuch bhi upay nahi sujta ki vo kya khaye kya na khaye,tab agar uske saamne shakahar hoga to to vo maans kyo khayega.jab uske paas shakahar hoga hi nahi aise halat me kya vo kankar,patthar,mitti khana suru kare? Aap ke samaj me ye baat kyo nahi aa rahi hai.samaj lo ki sari sabjiya jahrili ho jaye,aur usko khane se aap marenge to kya aap vo jaharili sabjiya khayenge ya uske badle maans khana pasand karenge?phir bhi agar aap daya,karuna ke karan jivo ki hatya nahi karna chahenge aur khud jahrili sabji kha ke mar jayenge,magar jaate jaate aap apne bivi bachho ko sabji mat khavo aise hidayat nahi denge?kya tum unko beshak kahoge mere pyaro tum raham karo in janvaro par tum sabji khana aur mar jaana par maans nahi khana.ye jeev hinsa to dono taraf se ho gayi na?? To aap kya nirnay lenge bhai,aise hi marne denge bivi baccho ko to unki hatya nahi ho rahi?aur maans khaya to pashu ki hatya nahi ho gayi? Aur aap dono bhi nahi khayenge to bhi hatya ho hi jayegi.to aap shresth kisko kahenge?

  75. The Islamist says

    @ raj.hyd ji

    apka pravachan sun kar lagta nahi ke aap ki aastha kisi bhi dharam mein ho sakti hai. aap kewal unhi baton ko sweekar karte hain jinke tathya apke saamne hain. main agar maan baithun ke aap Nastik hain to sambhavta ye galat na hoga. aur agar aisa hai to apko dharmnirpeksh hone ki avashayakta hai. Kewal Qur’an per tippani karna anuchit hai..

    sarv pratham to main apko yeh bata dun ke A-satya kabhi Satya ho hi nahi sakta to apka aisa kehna niraadhar hai.

    ab raha sawal ke Muslims Murti pooja kyun nahi karte/sweekar kar lete ?
    Raj ji !! aap to hathdharmi pe utar aaye hain.kya aap nahi jaante ke Muslims Qur’an ki shiksha ka paalan karte hain ? Jab Qur’an ne Idolatry (Moorty Pooja) ko nishedh/prohibited kar rakha hai to aise mein Muslims uske baare mein vichar hi kyun karenge ? yehi karan hai ke Muhammad ji (pbuh) ne bhi Kaaba mein rakhi 360 moortiyon ko sweekar nahi kiya.

    Dekhiye :

    Qur’an 21:98 — “Verily ye, (unbelievers), and the (false) gods that ye worship besides Allah, are (but) fuel for Hell ! To it will ye (surely) come ! ”
    Qur’an 6:74– And “Lo! Abraham said to his father Azar: “Takest thou idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error.
    Qur’an 22:30 — “Such (is the Pilgrimage): whoever honours the sacred rites of God, for him it is good in the Sight of his Lord. Lawful to you (for food in Pilgrimage) are cattle, except those mentioned to you (as exception): but shun the abomination of Idols, and shun the word that is false.”

    Mujhe nahi lagta iske aagey kuch aur kehne ki avashayakta bhi hai…

    • raj.hyd says

      The islamist ji , hamkoi bhi jhuthi asthaye svikar nahi karte hai / ishvar ko gyaan se mante huye bhi agar apkoham nastik lagtehai to hamko koi taklif nahi hai aapkeliye ya any muslim athva apne ko dhrmik kahalane valo ke liye ham kisi andhi astaho ko svikarkarna kadapi pasand nahi karte hai ! ham keval kuran ki hi ninda nahi katte balki jo hamko galat lagta hai usko galat bolne me koi sankoch nahi karte hai ! jab ap muslimo se bat karte hai tab jarur kuran ki alochna karte hai jab kisi puraan panthi se bat karte hai tab murtipuja adi ka virodh ninda adi karte hai 1 dekhe kuran 38/75 jisme kurani alalh adam ji ko dono hatho se nbanane ka dava kartebhai kya kurani alalh satve asman par ek singasan par virazman nahi hai ? kya muhammad ji meraz ke rup me kurani allah se milne nahi gaye the sur bakar ki akhiri do ayat vaha se nahi laye the ? isse kya siddh hota hai ki kurani alalah ek simit sthan me hai ,jo simit sthan me ho vah sarvshaktiman kaise ho sakta hai? kaba ki disha me namaz padhna ek “jadata ” ki nishani hai ! kaba ek pattahar hai agar hindu “pas ” ke patthar ke samne ishvar ko yad karte hai aur ap muslim 5 bar “dur” ke pattahar ki disha me namaz padh karke kuraniallah ko yad kartebhai tab dono sman kyo nahi ho gaye pathar to pattahar hi rahega ? dur aur pas ka antar avshy rahata hai ! vaha pattahar ek hai aur yaha patthar lakho hai !” jadta” dono ne ke pas hai 1 aur dono jadta ko nahi chod par rahe hai jab satve asman me kurani allah hai tabletkar ke asman ki disha me munh karke namaz kyo nahi padh lete? vaise jadta tab bhi rahegi 1 lekin tab patthar nahi rahega !jabmuslim “tasbih ” ke madhyam skurani allahko yad kartevhai tab vah jarur patthar ki disha nahi apnate hamari samajh me muslimo ki tasbih namaz se jyada shreshth hai aur hindu bhi jab ram- krishn ya koi mantr adi ka “jap” mala adi ferte hai vah murtipuja se avshy shreshth kahalai jayegi ! aap muslim kuran ke ke kitne andh bhakt hai ki kuran ki ayto ki janch bhi nahi karte hai ! agar dhokhe se kuran me suwar ka bosa [chumma ]arne ko likha hota to “shayad ” muslim suwar ka chumma bhi lena svikar kar lete jaise muhammad ji ne kaba ke patthar ko vyarth me chuma tha to karodo muslim kaba ko chumna nahi bhulte jabki kaba ke patthar ko chumne aur n chumne se kisi bhi muslim ko koi bhi antar nahi padta bas ek parampara jarur nibhya karte hai k ya kuran me koi bat likhi hai isliye vah bat mamne yogy hai ya koi achhi bat kisi bhi kitab me likhi ho vah manne yogy hai ? kuran me to rel, havai jahaj mobaile phone adi ke istemal karne ka bhi jikar nahi hai tab bhi muslim inka upyog karte hai jo achha karte hai !islam me kaha jata hai ki sangeet mana hai , film dekhna bhi mana hai foto khinchvaana bhi mana hai iske bad bhi karodo muslim sab isko apnate hai vah bhi achha karte hai ?isi disha me muslimo ko age badhna chahiye ! jaise islam ki yah bate muslim nahi mante hai aise hi apne vivek ke anusar kuran ki any bate bhi nahi manani chahiye ! apka yah kahana bahut thik hai ki a -satya kabhi saty nahi ho sakta isiliye kurani allah farishto ki fauj muahmmd ji ka rasool hone ka dava karna adi bhi kabhi saty nahi ho sakta kyoki yah sab a-saty hai !

  76. The Islamist says

    @ jai shankar ji jai shankar ji jai shankar ji

    Kalpanaon ke pankh pe sawar ho kar aap vastavikta se koson door nikal gaye hain. jee chahta to nahi ke main apki kori kalpanao mein apka sehbhagi banu lekin apke tark ko galat siddh kiye bina raha bhi nai jaata…

    To paristithi kuch aise utpann ho jave ke sabjiyan,ghas-phoos,ped paudhe sabhi vishayle ho jaayein to kya manushya apni jeevan raksha ke liye maans na khave ?

    shankar ji ! ek baat kahun ??? apka tark nisandeh hasyapad hai. us parishtithi mein jabke shaak sabji ityadi vishayle ho jaayein to bhala kaun sa jaanvar zinda rahega apka bhojan banne ko ???? kyun ??? to suniye Maansahari jeev ya to maansahari jeevo per ya fir shakahari jeevo pe nirbhar hain. theek ? Vishayle ghas phoos,patte,ped paudhe khakar shakahari jeev mrityu ko prapt hoga..theek ? ab inhi vishayle jeevon ko khane wala maansahari janvar kya vishmukt reh sakta hai ? to bacha kyaaaaa ???
    wo chodiye shriman… kisi jaanvar ka bhog lagane ke liye aap swayam kab jeevit bache rahenge aisi paristithi mein ?

    maine jo link diya tha kya aapne wo padha ??? mera agreh hai ke aap usey padh kar apne adhoore gyan ka aaklan kijye…

  77. jai shankar says

    @the islamist,ji kya aap ki durd dristi hai,taras aata hai,is liye jawab bhi deta hu,maine sirf sabji jaharili hogi ye kaha jo aadmi khata hai,to aap ne ghasphus,ped poundhe inko hi vishaila kar diya.ye aap ki samaj me kyo nahi aa raha bhai,jab ghas jahrili hogi to janvar usko kyo khayenge??? Aur ye baat ki jab janvar unko kha bhi le to turant mar jayenge.ab tum khud to mara huve ka maans nahi kha sakte quran ke mutabik.par jo jin janvar ne abhi jahrili ghas nahi khayi,aise zinda janvar ko bacha to sakte nahi,phir jiv hatya ho jayegi ki nahi?kya tum unko rokoge nahi?socho tum khud sabji nahi kha rahe ho aur janvaro ko bhi nahi khane de raho ho,janvar jo mar gaye hai jahar se unka maans bhi nahi kha rahe ho.jinda janvar pe tume taras aa raha hai.khud jaharili sabji kha ke mar gaye aur jate jate bivi baccho ko ye hidayat bhi nahi de sake ki janvar ko ghas mat khane dena.bichare ab janvar bhi mar rahe hai,aur sawal phir bhi baki hai ki kya vo maans khaye jinde janvar ka ya jahrili sabji khaye???

  78. roney says

    I THINK THERE WAS PROK ALLOWED TO EAT IN VEDAS
    OR AGNIVEER SHUD HAVE NW TOPIC NW……
    PORK IN QURAN INSTEAD OF BEEF IN VEDAS
    I M HINDU AND NOBDY NEED TO TELL ME IF THERE Z BEEF IN VEDAS OR NOT,TILL YOU R NOT HINDU-IF U RMUSLIM ,CHRIST,OTHER AND HERE DEBATE 4 BEEF IN VEDAS SO LTS DEBATE ON PORK I QURAN AND OTHER TOPICS
    OTHERWISE I KNW WT I SAY WT I BELIEVE……

  79. The Islamist says

    @ jai shankar sahib !!!

    aap apne liye gaddha khod rahe hain… chaliye maan liya jaaye ke sabji vishaili ho gayi jiski kalpana to aasan hai per vastavikta se fir bhi mael nahi khati…jaane dijye ..sabji vishaily hogayi sahib… to insan zinda rehne ke liye janvar ka maans kyun na khaye haina ???

    Nahi khayega nahi khayega nahi khayega … Insan Fruits khayega.. insan dharti se ugne waali doorsi cheezein khayega… rice…wheat…Jaw… aadi aadi aur aadi…

    Taras khane se aap mand buddhi ho chuke hain…. Maans kha kar dekhiye shayad kuch badal jaaye :D

  80. jai shankar says

    @the islamist,bhaijaan wa kya buddhimani hai aapki,bhai manana padega aapko.bahot badhiya jawab diya.maine sabji jahrili hogi,to aadmi maans khayega ye kaha to tum ab fruits kha rahe ho.chalo vishay ko aage badhate hai,ab jab sabji jahrili huyi hi hai ab hum fruits ko bhi jahrila mane to phir kya aap ab bhi kankar,patthar,mitti khayenge??sawal phir khada hota hai,ki….???socho aaj ke jamane me to sabji itni mahangi ho gayi fruits to aur bhi kitne mahange ho gaye jo ki aachi halat me bhi khana mushkil hai.jahrili halat me to isko koun khayega bhai?aadmi ke samne agar aisi halat aaye ki usko shakahar mile hi na jo aadmk khata ho to vo bhuk se marne ke bajay maans khana kyo nahi pasand karta,aasan sawal hai par tum samaj nahi rahe.kya baat hai dost,zara soch ke dekho to jo janvar khate hai ghaspus aadmi to unko nahi khata,aadmi vahi khata hai jo uske pet ki rachna ke mutabik hai,bina pakake sab maans khaye to phir main manuga ki aadmi mansahari hai.fruits to bina pakake kha sakta hai phir maans ko kyo nahi?

  81. jai shankar says

    @the islamists ji,bhai ye jo maansahar hai,wo nahi allah,eshwar,god in ke upar depend hai,quran me allah saaf pharmata hai,ki usko na khoon pahunchta hai na maans,sirf us aadmi ki prayer us tak pahuchti hai.is ka arth hua ki allah ko maans pasand nahi hai.magar vo jo aadmi allah ke naam se janvar ki kurbani de raha hai,us ki ye soch ki ye maans allah ko mile,ye soch hi allah ko milti hai maans nahi.kyoki maans to aadmi hi khata hai.aur sochta hai ki ye allah ko mil raha hai.socho agar maans allah ko milta to allah kya bhukha hai,uska kya muh hai,peth hai,jo maans kha sake???ye sab nadani aadmi ki hai,aadmi ki izad hai ki vo maans kha sake.is liye allah ke naam par vo maans kha raha hai.yahi nadani hindu bhi kar rahe the magar,buddha aur mahaveer ne inko roka.aaj koi bhi hindu jo ahinsa ko manta hai vo maansahar nahi karta ,jo karta ho uske paap ke vo swyam jimmevar hai.

    • The Islamist says

      @jai shankar ji

      Aap se ek baat kahun… Doosro ke kandhe per bandook rakh kar chalana band kariye ? Qurbani ka Maans Allah ko pahuchta hai aur ye soch kar log bali/qurbani karte hain ye main aapse hi sun raha hun. kis guru ki shiksha ka prabhav hai ye ? kripya aap apne vicharon ko dharmic jama pehnane ka prayatan na karein.
      Hindu/Muslim bhai maans khayein ya na khayein ye unki marzi hai. Maansahari hona agar paap hota to vedic kaal ke brahmin maans ka sevan kyun karte rahe ? Maine isliye he wo link apko diya tha jisse ke aap jaan sakein ke Ved mein maans ke baare mein aur kya kya likha hai…

  82. Praveen says

    Namaste.

    I have some doubts regarding Ashwamedh, Gomedha and Nar-medh.

    Can someone who knows Sanskrit, kindly explain to me, in detail, the mistakes that the translators who claim that Aswamedh, Gomedha and Nar-medh involve sacrifice in the literal sense, have made?

    Secondly, if Ashwamedh, Gomedha and Nar-medh DON’T involve sacrifice in the literal sense, can someone explain to me, in detail, what exactly is involved in these Yajnas?

    Thanks in advance.

  83. says

    Sensational! What a sleek, educated and sophisticated refutation of those accusations! I am in awe! – and my hair remains standing on end! haha! Gau-mata ki jai

  84. Rama says

    Dear Agniveer
    Apparently, one Mr Sarang insists in ” Tamil Hindu” web site that there is animal sacrifice in ” Poorva Mimmasa”. I am not an expert on all this.
    I would appreciate your response. Thanks

  85. Arun says

    Agniveer I have a question on vaccinations against diseases. Several of the vaccinations are made with cow parts (bovine extract, calf, gelatin). Look up on the internet the ingrediants and mediums used on vaccination. If we as Hindus do not consume any cow as food, how can we let enter into our bodies cow products through vaccinations? Should we get a religious exemption from taking vaccinations that contain cow products the same way Jews and other faiths do who do not consume pork as it is against their faith?

    • Arun says

      Ultimately it is each person’s decision but how would the scriptures guide us here on vaccinations containing cow products?

      • Ashish says

        @Arun
        I think one shouldn’t take it, if he knows that its made of using any animal’s part. Its un-vedic as vedas asks us to practice ahimsa towards all living beings(not only to cow). I think one should search for alternatives rather than breaking laws of nature, that’s to have compassion towards all living beings.

        We humans can develop/use many alternatives if we want to but one should skip the killing innocent lives. You “may” cure yourself from that disease by using it, but the unbearable burden of bad karma & the blood of an innocent animal in your hand will never let you cure from the pain/sufferings in coming births.

        Om Shanti

        • Arun says

          Companies making these vaccines should be responsive to consumers. When parents learned of mercury in some vaccines companies took out the mercury. So people need to make their concerns heard, and companies should be working with consumers to address their concerns. Vaccines are important and people have a right to vaccines that do not contradict or violate their beliefs.

          If they want to sell to people whose religion forbid consumption of beef in any form (or for others pork, or forbid to consume any animal parts) then they should produce them without those animal parts.

          The key is people have to speak up and demand their right to vaccines free of bovine/calf etc…otherwise there is no impetus to develop such vaccines.

          • Arun says

            Or maybe an Indian company can start making vaccines that will not violate ones’s religious belief make them free of bovine and other animal products.

  86. gary says

    First it is a excellent article and very well researched and thanks for enlightening us . In today’s world “kalyug” darkness is so wide spread that any tiny light of even a insect seems like the “Sun” itself. No wonder in this “Dark age” only the dark religions like Muslim and Chirstians can flourish. Wanted to add on some comments made by Muslims on this article, Hindus believe in 1 God . They believe Him to be able to take on any form as He is formless and LIMIT LESS, and limitless are the ways to Reach to Him, thus He can be worshipped in ANY form and that can be plants, human form or anything which better suits you. Like not all people can like a single color, so it is not possible for all Humans to like just 1 form or just 1 Path to him. Thus Hindusim is the Most ALL emcompassing religion and plus it is scientifically the most acurate religion. Infact the so called western religions are Limiting God by declaring Him to be just of 1 kind and hence are fairly inferior.

    Secondly Namaste means “Namo Uste” or “I bow to the devine in you”. This means “salutations to the Lord who exists everywhere including in you”.

  87. I want full true veda says

    Please Agniveer tell me how can I find all the original hindi translations of veda as well as Upanishads.

    please reply this.
    It is urgent.

    • Jay Arya says

      you can find agniveer store full hindu translation of four vedas as for upanishads on you can from ishoipanishad on agniveer website

  88. sapan says

    Great article, great translation. There are all these other misleading articles about this topic which are really bad. It is ridiculous to assume that Hindus suddenly developed a culture of worshiping the cow. Common sense would say that it has to be an ancient custom to be so widely accepted. And even many enlightened sages of India have said that sattvic food is vegetarian.

  89. Jay Arya says

    i have gone through the articles on a fantic site trying to attack agniveer the only articles i found hard to refute are mainly polygamy in hinduism,beef in hindu scriptures,slavery in hinduism,dowry in hinduism and verses on reincarnation can you try explain these or refute this through an article

  90. Aditya says

    Respected Agniveerji,

    Sri Chandrashekara Saraswathigal , the late head of the Kanchi Mutt (A.K.A maha periva) has given many discourses .All his discourses have been published in the form of a series of books (7Vols.) named “Voice Of God”.
    It deals with all the things in Sanathana Dharma (from A to Z)

    I was shocked to read the following line in Vol 2. Pg 229-232 “Is sacrificial killing Justified”

    It sounds as if there is animal sacrifices in the vedas. In Pg.231 1st para it says
    “In the concluding paragraphs of Chandogya upanishad, where ahimsa or non violence is extolled you find these words, “Anyathra thirthebhyah” .It means Ahimsa must be practiced with the exception of vedic rites.

    Pg 231.Last Para

    One is enjoyed to perform 21 sacrifices. These are three types pakayagna ,Haviryagna and Somayagna .In each category, there are 7 subdivisions .In all the 7 pakayagnas as well as the first 5 haviryagnas there is no animal sacrifice.It is only from the 6th haviryagna onwards (it is called nirudapasubandha ‘) animals are sacrificed .

    LINK
    http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part5/chap23.htm

    Sankaracharya’s are very learned ones. Maha periva has given this in one of the speech.It is shocking for me to read this.
    Personally I am not an expert in vedas. can you clarify this for me. This is because what you are saying and What Shankaracharya is saying is completely contradictory .

    My friend’s guru is “Seshadrinath Sasthrigal” .He once said that few IIT students approached him. By any chance is that you?

    Thanks. I am completely confused!!

    • says

      No we did not approach him. But we can bet that Shankaracharya is completely misled here. Many of them give unnecessary importance to frivolous non-Vedic texts. Agniveer’s stand is based purely on Vedas and we proudly assert that there is no reference to animal sacrifice in Vedas. All these mentions come in superstitious and frivolous texts that be better rejected. Vedas say that those who merely mug mantras without intellect are being wasteful. No wonder, dominance of such dogmatic mindsets is a reason why we became slaves for thousand years and faced so many atrocities. Agniveer recommends following Vedas and not just any crap written in Sanskrit. And all those texts that emphasize on animal sacrifice for divine blessings, or gender discrimination, or birth-based caste system, or vulgar stories in name of role models are all crap. Typically, you will find such crap together in same set of books and hence can easily reject them. Follow Dharma based on principles and reason, and not looking at someone’s clothes or designation. Principles above personalities.

    • Jay Arya says

      well shankacharya did not follow the four vedas he followed Upanishads which he believed were based on vedas and were so like the vedas and it is also true many hindus have been influenced by anti hindus Marxists and Europeans who tried to make hindus hate their religion and look for others religion when they started ruling india and puranas are some of the most corrupted book I don’t even think many of them were written by learned hindus but probably by evil Brahmins we see many similarties between the puranas and the Abrahamic beliefs

  91. vishal shah says

    According to me it it logically why should be vegetarian
    Everything is created by god ; if god wanted us to eat meat of innocent animal he should have given us teeth and sharp tooth belong to carnivorous animal but he has not provided us , Also our digestive system is made only for vegetarian food yu can do research yu will come to know about there digestive system, Also meat consuming people are more prone to heart attack , cholesterol , cancer etc also the gov of us has started meat free tuesday in usa why ???? lots of lots animal are killed brutally tourchering just for the sake of taste and Also in halal system killing in these way there will be less pain but there is pain to innocent animal who cant speak and About cow after mother milk if someone has drank is the milk of cow dont take everything for granted , About killing of cows they are also same sensitive as that of human being if they see blood out of human being they will fell restless , cows is pure by every sense milk,urine and
    for fools read these
    According to the Hadith, the Holy Prophet Muhammad said:
    “One who kills unnecessarily, even a sparrow will be questioned by Allah on the day of Judgment.”
    “One who takes pity on cutting the head even of a sparrow, and feels compassion towards the sparrow, Allah will similarly show mercy towards him on the day of Judgment.”

    “Killing any living beings besides those who are inflicting pain is forbidden.” (O. Gudratov, N. Gudratov, Muhammad Peygambarin: Hayati va Kalamlari, Baki, 1990, p. 114, 147) “If the beasts will know about their inevitable death, as humans do, they will not eat flesh.” (Mahammad Ali, Muhammad Peygambarin Hayati, Baki, 1993, p. 150)

  92. Deva says

    mam ma himsirekashafam pashum kanikradam vaajinam vaajineshu
    Yajurveda 13.48
    Do not slaughter this one hoofed animal that neighs and who goes with a speed faster than most of the animals. – As per this since slaughter was carried out, it is written not to slaughter! that to specifically recommends one hoof, not two hoof animals.

    • Param Purohit says

      Namaste Deva,
      It is a very popular saying that “half knowledge is harmful”. If you look at the complete mantra it means not to kill non-violent animals and to kill the harmful ones when needed.
      When I state “a virtuous man shouldnt be harmed” it nowhere means that a virtuous woman is to be harmed but it mean that the anti-social elements deserve punishment not the innocent ones.
      Hope you got the ‘bhaav’ of mantra :)

  93. Amitabha Ch says

    Wow! So much bickering over whether to eat meat or, not? It is absolutely pointless. Those who like meat should eat it, the Veda, Vedanta, Tantra, etc. sanctions it. Problem solved!

    The Smriti shastras of the later period has forbidden beef eating as a reform suitable for Kali-yuga.
    The Puranas, especially Vaishnava Shastras forbid meat eating and encourages vegetarianism.

    What you eat is not so important. What you think and do in this world are really the salient things. So, eat what you like, but do the right thing.

    One more thing: Hinduism is a very vast religion that looks after the salvation of all sorts of people, whatever their nature may be. Thats why there are so many variation and paths in this grand Hindu culture. But after many thousands of years, the golden period passed and abjection came over. Satya, Treta, Dvapara gave way to Kaliyuga. Now the minds of people are more materialistic and less spiritual. Selfish people misused the caste system, which was originally meant to ensure a clean division of labour. And women were given lesser opportunities than men towards freedom and education.(Though in earlier periods, Gargi, Maitreyi, etc. were great seers of Vedanta; and there were female Rishis of the Vedas like Vaka, etc.)

    We Hindus should not forget true holimen like Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, Yogi Lokenath Brahmachari, Yogi RatanNath Haji, Sant Saibaba of Shirdi, or, Lalan Shah Fakir who created a bridge of peace and balance between Hinduism and Islam. They declared that there is goodness in both religions and we shouldn’t hate one another, but approach with respect. With hatered we would be poisoning our own minds and lose sight of peace. Let each man practice his own faith in peace.

    • Param Purohit says

      Namaste Amitabha,
      You need a rereading of this article and still if you want to say Vedas sanction meat you must present facts with mantra not opinions.
      It is very unfortunate that in name of inclusiveness people try to justify wrongdoings and sins. It is very similar to the tragedy this nation is going through iin name of secularism.
      When you say “what you ‘do’ is important” the very moment you accept that nonsense killing is wrong ultimately contradicting yourself.

      • IwillSpeakTruthOnly says

        Its purely depends on a human whether he want to be a pure veg or non-vegetarian and religious scriptures gives this permission too, those who are making hullabaloo asking for proves from vedas, lets see how truthful are they?
        It must be noted that the Purva Mimamsa Sutras (compiled between 300-200 BCE), written by Rishi Jaimini is one of the most important ancient Hindu philosophical texts. It forms the basis of Mimamsa, the earliest of the six orthodox schools (darshanas) of Indian philosophy.
        Commenting on Purv Mimansa Sutra Adhyaya 3, Pada 6, Sutra 18, the Shabarbhasya says:
        संति च पशुधर्माः- उपाकरणं, उपानयं, अक्ष्णया बंधः, यूपे नियोजनम्, संज्ञपनं, विशसनमित्येवमादयः
        means “There are also certain details to be performed in connection with the animals, such as (a) Upaakaranam [Touching the animal with the two mantras], (b) Upaanayanam [Bringing forward], (c) Akshanyaa-bandhah [Tying with a rope], (d) Yoope niyojanam [Fettering to the Sacrificial Post], (e) Sanjnapanam [Suffocating to death], (f) Vishasanam [Dissecting], and so forth”

        Expounding on this, Arya Samaj scholar, Pandit Yudhisthira Mimamsak writes in is ‘Mimamsa Shabar Bhashyam'”In this case and otherwise it appears from the Jaimini Sutras that the offering of sacrificed animals is to be made in the Yajnas. It is clearly mentioned in the Mimamsa Sutrs.
        [Mimamsa Shabharbhasyam, adhyaya 3, Page 1014]

        I have a more than 100 such examples but less space to mention them all.
        Now waiting for the so called true hindus to falsify their own books :)

  94. proudhindu says

    Thank you for the wonderful article. It is god’s work is what you are doing. I hope you get what is good for you and what you desire.

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  96. says

    I see many Muslims say many things about eating beef. Can any Muslim here show me one verse in the Koran which says cow eating is recommended and is good ? If not then you should stop making all this noise because your logic is simply faulty.

  97. says

    On Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upaniṣad 6.8.14:
    in the Ramakrishnamission edition aukṣa and ārṣabha is in my humble opinion mistranslated with ‘meat of a young bull’ and ‘meat of a bull’,

    but it is overlooked that ukṣan and ṛṣabha are also terms for two of the eight main herbal medicines (aṣṭavarga),
    which have spermophytic qualities.

    (or read Swami Tapasyanandas inaccurate translation of the verses of the Śrīmadbhāgavatam, volume 3, Skandha 10, chapter 10, 12-14
    or his commentary on Bhāgavadgītā 17.8.)

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