Polygamy in Hinduism

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/4982/polygamy-hinduism-hi/

Immediately after I published my analysis of Dr Zakir Naik’s views on Hinduism, I started receiving hate mails. However I also received a soft-copy of another book of his “Answers to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions about Islam”. This is another masterpiece of his sophism. I have already glimpsed through videos of his lectures where he recites this book line by line. Many rebuttals of this book are already available.

However what perturbed me, was another set of misconceptions he attempts to breed regarding Hinduism through his self-proclaimed research. I can understand why Dr Zakir Naik has to spend so much space discussing Hinduism in an article on Muslims, and so much space discussing Islam in an article on Hinduism (See in FAQ on Hinduism)! This apparent confusion emerges from the fact that in current political, social and cultural situation, 80 crore Hindus form the most ideal conversion ground for Islamic Research Foundation. Peace TV managed by Dr Zakir Naik even announced this a few months ago that they would make Hindustan a Darul-Islam in next 5 years.

Further, many Muslims believe in a prophecy that once India is conquered, only then would Jesus Christ come again and will bring end of the world. After that, Judgment Day would happen and they will go to Paradise to have their virgins and luxuries forever! The lure is too tempting for the uncultivated mind to drop all sense of reasoning!

In this article, I shall cover the first question he addresses – POLYGAMY.

Dr Zakir Naik has tried to prove that Hinduism is inherently a polygamous religion. He states on Page 4 of the book:
“The Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives.”

He continues giving some census data from sources best known to him alone that polygamy is more popular among Hindus than Muslims.

I shall not dwell into what Polygamy means in Islam of Zakir Naik – whether marrying 4 wives in total in entire life, or keeping the total number of existing wives at 4 by divorcing old ones as one marries new ones, or having special provision of 9/11/16/++ for those having revelations, or permitting marriage with babies, or whether keeping unlimited slaves and not counting them as legal wives and thus skewing census data. These issues have been dealt with by a large number of people including women-rights organizations, Muslim reformers and ex-Muslims worldwide. Internet lists a large number of such reference sources that you can google upon.

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The focus of this article would be explode the myth that “according to Hindu scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes.”


POLYGAMY IN VEDAS

We start with the Vedas because Vedas are considered the foremost authority in matters of Dharma.
1. There is no single mantra in the entire 4 Vedas that even give a hint of supporting more than one wife or more than one husband.

2. Three mantras of Rig Veda, 1.124.7, 4.3.2 and 10.71.4 contain “Jaayeva Patya Ushatee Suvaasaah”. This means that knowledge comes to the scholar in same manner as a dedicated joyous wife comes only to her husband. “Jaaya” means wife and “Pati” means husband. Both appearing in singular implies that only one husband-one wife relation is considered ideal.

3. Rigveda 1.3.3 states that God is like a dedicated wife with high character and purity. This also implies that monogamy alone is considered ideal.

4. Rigveda 10.149.4 compares love between God and devotee like that between dedicated wife and husband. Both “Jaaya” meaning wife and “Patim” meaning husband are used in singular number implying strict monogamy.

5. Rigveda 10.85.20 appeals a bride to expand happiness for her husband. Again both husband and wife are referred in singular.

6. Rigveda 10.85.23 appeals to wife and husband to always have self-control. Its obvious from reference to self-control and singular numbers for both wife and husband that monogamy alone is recommended.

7. All mantras relating to marriage are addressed in dual number to a couple of husband-wife implying one wife for husband and one husband for wife. Some examples are Rig Veda 10.85.24, 10.85.42, 10.85.47 and almost entire 14th Chapter of Atharva Veda which deals with subject of marriage. Most mantras pray for faithful relation for entire life-time.
Please note that Sanskrit has a dual number apart from singular and plural, specifically to remove this confusion that people may have.

8. In Atharva Veda 7.35.4 both husband and wife state that, “You establish me in your heart so that our minds become one and same.”

9. In Atharva Veda 7.38.4, wife says that “You should only be mine. You should not even discuss about other women.” What can be a more clear prohibition of polygamy than this!

10. Atharva Ved 3.30.2 and 14.2.64 also appeal husband and wife to be devoted and faithful to each other.

11. Perhaps Veda provider Ishwar knew that despite all this, some self-proclaimed experts may still find reasons to justify polygamy. Thus certain mantras in Vedas describe demerits of Polygamy.

– Rig Veda 10.105.8 compares existence of multiple wives with multiple worldly miseries.

– Rig Veda 10.101.11 states that a man with two wives is pressed from both sides and weeps like a horse that neighs when pressed from both sides by spokes while driving a chariot.

– Rig Veda 10.101.11 state that two wives make life aimless.

– Atharva Veda 3.18.2 prays that may a woman never face threat of another co-wife.

12. The only mantra that skeptics try to give in favor of polygamy in Vedas is Rig Veda 8.19.36 that contains “Vadhoonaam” and “Satpati” words. However, “Vadhoo” does not mean bride here and instead means powers that provide happiness. “Satpati” means protector of good, just as “Bhoopati” means protector of earth. This is also evident from the Devata or Key subject of the Sukta in which this mantra comes – prayers for charity and donation (Daanastuti). The mantra means that Ishwar gives variety of powers to those who protect truth and good.

POLYGAMY IN RAMAYAN

While it is admitted that Dashrath practiced polygamy, but the essence of entire Ramayan is that polygamy leads to troubles. The polygamy of Dashrath is considered to be the cause of trouble and grief that everyone faced. Ram is considered “Maryada Purushottam” or the “Ideal Man” because he re-established the Vedic norm of monogamy. Same was followed by all his brothers.

POLYGAMY IN MAHABHARAT

By the time of Mahabharat, the moral values of society had declined a lot. Thus none of the characters, apart from Krishna, is considered exemplary in Mahabharat. And that is exactly the reason why Krishna has been targeted the most for character assassination by a variety of forces.

Mahabharat is an extremely adulterated text and is not taken as authentic in totality. The original text was much smaller and over a period of time it expanded to include a lot of things. Unlike Vedas, there was no mechanism to stop adulterations from it. However a close analysis easily exposes that certain popular stories in Mahabharat are pure myths. I give a list here:

First Principle

a. Krishna was wedded to none except Rukmini. The myth of 16000 wives came from a story where he liberated 16000 captive girls from Narkasur. The story itself is questionable. Further the story never states that Krishna married 16000 girls. It says he protected them, which is true if story is correct. had Krishna married 16000 of them, it would have taken him more than 10 years even at rate of 4 marriages a day as per the prevailing rituals!

b. Krishna was so strictly disciplined that he observed complete Brahmacharya for 12 years before planning to be a father. That is why Krishna is such a role model for entire society. The narrator of Geeta had no time for anything except nation-building in those testing periods.

c. Krishna never had any love-games with any Gopi. These are figments of imaginations which got popular during dark age of foreign rule when rulers of small states indulged in wasteful enjoyments after accepting supremacy of foreign rulers. Further the whole story of Radha is a figment of imagination. It exists only in Brahma Vaivart Puran which is another unscrupulous book like Bhavishya Puran that insults legends like Krishna and Ram. The concept of Radha grew popular only in very recent times during dark age of India when rulers of princely states were busy only in considering themselves Krishna incarnate and indulging into lustful activities by demeaning just a legendary Brahmachari character! Mahabharat does not contain these.
Please read this excellent article by Dr Satya Pal Singh, Police Commissioner of Police, Pune: Lord Krishna – Lord Krishna – an enlightening personality


POLYGAMY IN GENERAL

While polygamy was practiced by certain rulers at various points in time, it was restricted only to ruling class and never became a mainstream in larger population. That is why Hindus had no discomfort or objection to formal introduction of monogamy as a law after independence.

All the great legends of Hinduism, whom many consider to be near God, were purely monogamous or brahmachari- Vishnu, Shankar, Ram, Lakshman, Bharat, Shatrughna, Hanuman and Krishna.

Thus it is a gross myth that Hinduism accepts Polygamy.

On contrary, Vedas are unambiguous over recommendation of monogamy alone. The same has been the trend for general population and our role models.

If there is any philosophy that condemns polygamy and specifically demands monogamy, it is the Hindu Dharma based on noble precepts of Vedas.

Addendum:
On an additional note, I would like to address a few sophism that Dr Zakir Naik indulges into to justify polygamy:

1. Naik – Average life span of women is more than that of men.
By this logic, polyandry (one wife- multiple husband) should be allowed. Because, on average, one wife would require more than 1 husband to cover her entire life!

2. Naik – World female population is more than world male population.
This contradicts previous point. If one looks at 2008 data of World Population as published by UN Statistics Division, there are 2% more males than females in the world! The same is also true for marriageable age discarding children and elders. Does he recommend Polyandry now?

3. Before we get further, let us also look at the countries with worst gender ratio. You can view the list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio
The table has facility to sort by fields. What we observe is that the top 9 countries with more men than women are all Muslim countries. Stricter the Islamic Law, more adverse the gender ratio. There are 2.74 times more men in UAE and 2.46 times in Qatar. India and Pakistan are also is not far off with their significant Muslim population!

4. Naik – Muslim women in due faith could bear a small personal loss to prevent a greater loss of letting other Muslim sisters becoming ‘public properties’.
We just saw the data above. Does Dr Naik recommend the inverse now?

5. In civilized societies like Vedic Dharma, each women apart from one’s wife is viewed as mother, by default. The basic rule is “Matrivat Paradaareshu – All except wife are like my mother”. That is why the question of someone becoming public property does not arise. In wars, legends like Shivaji would bow to imprisoned women and call them mother! And in a society that respects women, the question of adverse gender ratio does not arise as is happening in conservative Muslim countries.

6. What is important is use of word “property” for women. Dr Naik recommends that polygamy enables women to be private property rather than “public property” at small personal loss. This small loss is a great insult to entire womanhood. If sharing of husbands is haram, why is sharing of wife merely a small personal loss? Vedas do not discriminate at all between men and women and provide them equal rights and privileges in all matters including marriage.

Next he lists 4 reasons why polygamy is permitted but polyandry is not permitted:
a. This will help identify father of the child!
(But now we have DNA testing available!)
b. Man by nature is more polygamous!
(What is the proof for this except that polyandry is stoned to death? Is this not a ploy to insult entire womanhood by justifying polygamy?)
c. It is biologically difficult for women to be polyandrous and rear children!
(This is again another shameless reason to justify keeping multiple wives and concubines, in name of religion and social service!)
d. High chance of acquiring sexual disease!
(On contrary, medical science proves that it is women who are more susceptible to contract such diseases from polygamous men than vice versa. Being a medical student sometime, Dr Naik should have verified at least this much before publication. Or perhaps he never got a chance to practice or get back to medical books!)

Wise can decide themselves the mentality of this admirer of Osama bin Laden.

In summary, Polygamy is a malpractice, quite aptly condemned by the Vedas. Hinduism guided by Vedas and its role models has always emphasized on monogamy and self-control as the only way for humans.

Efforts to justify polygamy, through whatever reasons, is an insult to entire womanhood.

May such deviant minds introspect and come into the shade of Vedas. May they inculcate feeling of respect for entire Matru-Shakti.

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/4982/polygamy-hinduism-hi/

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    • skphero says

      now To all The people in The world Why you choose IslaM? pls mere Hindu bhaioun bura nhn manyega mgr such yahi hy apkhud compare krlenyar–for any answer [email protected].

      1)–The onlY Religion Who Teaches to respect women and ask women to Hijab that’s why They protect their selves from Bad ones–

      Hinduism:–
      In the Rigveda, there are numerous places where gifts of beautiful girls as salves are made to saintly persons. For example, Rigveda 6/27/8 mentions Abhyavarti, son of Chayaman, presenting a gift of slave girls stuffed in two big wagons to Rishi Bhardavaj.

      The Mahabharat (Adiparv 220) also reveals that slaves, especially women, were given as a part of the dowry to the bridegroom. Krishna, in his sister Subhadra’s dowry gave along with other objects, “one thousand fair complexioned, charming damsels with lustrous hair and adorned with gold and who were good at serving.” These beautiful women were to be treated as slaves or even as harlots. Mahabharata narrates an incident in which Rishi Galav goes to king Yayati and asks for 800 horses as he had to give them to his guru, Rishi Vishwamitra. King Yayati does not give horses but offers his daughter and says:

      “She is my daughter. She is extremely beautiful and virtuous. She is desired by every male in three worlds. She can charm any Sur, Asur, Aryan or non-Aryan. I offer my daughter to you. You can sell her to any king and manage to have your gurudakhshina.” (Udyog Parv, section 115).

      Realy if you know such things and still following Hinduism Than think where you stand brotherz:( plssss think and rectify your selve.

      2).–The onlY religion which Teaches to be good with slaves our nabi Never Refused or beat any of his slave iF anyone give me one instanCe of his this deed I WILL LEAVE ISLAM– Hamare Nabipak S.A.W.S ki waja se islam ka ruTba sab se buland Hy..

      Hinduism–
      Even Rama received such slaves as wedding gifts from King Janak when he married Sita. This is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan, Baal Kaand, Sarg 74, shloka 5…

      • Jay says

        Muhammed was a slaver. Slavery is not abolished in Islam, it at best is regulated, and slavery is limited to enslaving non-Muslims but not other Muslims. Muslims raided and enslaved Europeans, Africans and Asian non-Muslims. People do not realize that white people were themselves enslaved just like blacks by Muslims. To read more about slavery in Islam google Princeton Professor Bernard Lewis Race and Slavery in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia abolished slavery in 1962 at the pressure of US President JFK. Slavery is still in Muslim countries. Learn also about the real Mohammed “The Truth About Mohammed” http://www.thecrescentorthecross.com/Robert%20Spencer%20-%20The%20Truth%20About%20Muhammad.pdf

    • Sanjay says

      Agniveer ji,
      i have doubt on my mind that if there is one god in vedas than what about ganpati bappa and ohter demi gods
      plz rply 2 this bcoz i m confused…………….

      • Ishan Sanyal says

        No where in the vedas it is mentioned in a verse that “There is only one god”. There are several verses which say stuff like “he has no image or he is one without a second” – these verses are about Brahman. Morons like Zakir Nayak don’t know anything about the Brahman & Atman and try to fool Hindus. Read the wikipedia on Brahman to get some idea. We are Hindus we are the Aryans – the best race of humans on earth not like the mlechhas! A mlechha can never be capable of understanding the Brahman. The Brahman is eternal. Heaven, hell and the entire Universe gets destroyed at sometime but the Brahman remains forever, so does the Atman. In the Rig Veda it is clearly said in a verse – “Indeed great are the devas who sprung out from the Brahman”. Hence this verse ensures all the devtas are indeed Gods. The Trinity was the first devas to have come out of the Brahman. Then Brahma created the Universe, Vishnu is the sustainer of the Universe and Shiva will someday destroy the Universe.

        • Jay says

          Arya is about character – about being noble. It is not about race. The idea that arya is racial came about with 19th century Europeans and it was wrong. Max Mueller who first linked commonalities with languages between Europe and India said “an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_M%C3%BCller

    • says

      i will make a video on this text .Sir if all texts have been corrupted by invaders(muslim terrorists) Should we loose hope….wat is left behind are ashes….wat is it that which takes birth from ashes….? absolutely nothing…

  1. Utsav Anand says

    Thank you for taking up this matter. This shrewd person(Zakir Naik) has gone too far in misguiding innocent minds and is a threat to the unity of India. I appraise your efforts.
    Dont think that there are no other people with you. There are many patriotic Indians uniting to remove all evils from India(the movement name is Bharat Swabhiman ). This also includes fragmentation of Indian society.

    • Rj3865 says

      @Ritesh Swami

      Brother first i would request you to disclose your proper identity for further conversation and its obvious that you don’t belong to a hindu family or sanatana dharma .

      Quote ” You are so misguided yourself. How come your religion teaches to gamble and use your brothers wife as a bet and then your own cousins in the game perform a disgusting and inhumane act of taking her clothes off ? (sita as a gambling bet ?) this is an insult to all women.” Unquote
      Give me above reference please and let me tell you that nowhere in any vedas or our scripts your so called story of your dirty mind is present .

      The story you taking about is from MAHABHARATA in which Pandavas used their Wife Draupadi as ambling bet when asked to bet her by Evil kauravas and it was lord SRI KRISNA who saved her and increased her sari length so that no one can take that off, this means he protected her ..

      Pandavas faught their own cousins because they were evil and this is why MAHABHARATA is famous for , Plz XXXX Khan , Ali , Ahmad etc clear your concept and don’t try to spread hatred for aour own hindu brothers and you can’t prove by writing even thousand times hinduism ( my own religion )

      This shows what you got as god gifted nature and intellect of hatred and cheating from Moham MAD whoz only desire was of loot , rape , and voilent and these are the basic pillars of islam ( EVIL and FALSE religion )

      • skphero --frnd of hindus the best but misguided says

        gOD is great I don’t know your name But Dear now todaY I will cleaR all the Thnigs pls Don’t be hurt as I will not adopt the way of talking like u talk…. FirsT of All our ISLAM gives us a way to live all the islamic values are awesome go to the google and see by yourselve how many people are getting muslim DAYBYDAY why? bcz Islam has a total followable life of prophet S.A.W.S who spent a generous life really now tell me Stupidman? how many of you HINDUS follow your RAM, laxma, or hANUMAN what are there teachings? is there anything they left from the help of it you spent your life? I know what they gave to u or u adopt by urselve…
        pls don’t liE Afraid of Allah or your GOD these all things are 100% truth what I am saying..

        HINDU dharam yes hy…pls naraz nhn hoiega Islam in tamam batoun ki mukhalfat opposite hy.

        1–)NUDITY–as mention and shows in your Dramas, films, clearly.
        2–)sexual language as mention in Murder2, dirty picture etc these are the things u are conveying to your new generation..SHAME on U.
        3–)NEW Bhagwans Sachin tendulkar, Amitab bachan etc..Lanat hy ese mazhab pe jisme 1 khuda na ho HAD hy.
        4–)worship of many GODs for sex also like Yoni and shive :/ is this justifieD…
        5–)even you can check in your history about multi worshipings of your Bhagwans… so you asking me to follow which REligion which donot have a appropriate GOD or Creator and leAVe my only Allah– so Hear The Quran says And The Mighty Allah creates all the things instead the many idols they worship doesnot Create a single Bee.
        6–)will I worship which religion which tells a lot of corruption in the olden days about Caste and religion not talking about present..if such problems are solve Greatly at present so whay about the pasT..
        7–)The fact is fact the Slaves of young girls and other man behaved like animal is the history of hinduism.

        • Ishan Sanyal says

          All you are saying is fake. The only truth is that Muhammad was a pedophile, rapist , mass-murdered and looter of caravans. Muhammad banged a 9year old little girl called Aisha. Islam is a religion of Kali Yuga created by demon Muhammad, Hinduism is from Satya Yuga.

    • sajiD says

      Dear Read that then decide who is FAke and who is Sincere
      hmmhmmh dear mR. Agniveer sir anD all the otherz I m Sajid [A musl1m] u have said Zakir bha1 is a Fraud — Dear He is not a Fraud pls Don’t take it bad dEar I think u are a Fraud u have mulTiples God to worship Brother V have only one– Dear the mosT prominent Thing in islam I Tell u[[[ IT is PARDA[Hijab] Islam strictly prohibiTed MEN to see Unknown women widout any proper reason Islam boosT up the status of women By saying –Heaven is Beyond the feet of a mother– Dear Is anyof your bo0k ask the women for Hijab? Dear u talking about your HInDuism so let u know U cReates vulGur deamas , films on your GOdz Bhagwan—- Is this your Religion says to make fun of your Bhagwans oR it is written in your books? sory If any of my talk HurTs u Regars.

      • Ganesh says

        Ok Bro…..Do you have any justification for the rapes of women forceful conversions after rape which was done during the muslim invasion era and (to some extent still present in various parts of Indian Sub contnent (specially Pakistan and Bangladesh).

        Shouting Allah ho Akbar and raping women of other faiths looks to be a genuine teaching of Koran and Allah…….

        • skphero says

          Dear ganesh pls think Dear as i said u know how u make fun of your religion by making vulGur Drama’s ,cartoons of your lorDs–Dear pls just think all your lords are the human which Allah Creates dear he is the Sustainer who creates everyone everything –He is beyond concepT–why Believe on Allah??
          Answer:

          • Facebook says

            yeah just the way hindus gang raped girls and women at godhra kaand and cut off their breasts in fields and streets after screaming jai sri raam…

            same logic.
            perhaps ur veda “rigged vedas” and un”holy” books taught u this…

            same kind of answer for same stupid question ass ‘ole

      • says

        —–Islam boosT up the status of women By saying –Heaven is Beyond the feet of a mother——

        where does this boosting up of woman goes when mohammad declares shamelessly that in heaven each men would get 72 virgins to enjoy?

        what would women get in heaven ? will they also get 72 virgins? or they would get 72 men ??

        show from quran!!

        • skphero says

          krishna good question as i say in Quran Allahpak means HOOR which Allahpak creates and we dont know how are theY how they look not 72 girls..
          now To all The people in The world Why you choose IslaM? pls mere Hindu bhaioun bura nhn manyega mgr such yahi hy apkhud compare krlenyar–for any answer [email protected].

          1)–The onlY Religion Who Teaches to respect women and ask women to Hijab that’s why They protect their selves from Bad ones–

          Hinduism:–
          In the Rigveda, there are numerous places where gifts of beautiful girls as salves are made to saintly persons. For example, Rigveda 6/27/8 mentions Abhyavarti, son of Chayaman, presenting a gift of slave girls stuffed in two big wagons to Rishi Bhardavaj.

          The Mahabharat (Adiparv 220) also reveals that slaves, especially women, were given as a part of the dowry to the bridegroom. Krishna, in his sister Subhadra’s dowry gave along with other objects, “one thousand fair complexioned, charming damsels with lustrous hair and adorned with gold and who were good at serving.” These beautiful women were to be treated as slaves or even as harlots. Mahabharata narrates an incident in which Rishi Galav goes to king Yayati and asks for 800 horses as he had to give them to his guru, Rishi Vishwamitra. King Yayati does not give horses but offers his daughter and says:

          “She is my daughter. She is extremely beautiful and virtuous. She is desired by every male in three worlds. She can charm any Sur, Asur, Aryan or non-Aryan. I offer my daughter to you. You can sell her to any king and manage to have your gurudakhshina.” (Udyog Parv, section 115).

          Realy if you know such things and still following Hinduism Than think where you stand brotherz:( plssss think and rectify your selve.

          2).–The onlY religion which Teaches to be good with slaves our nabi Never Refused or beat any of his slave iF anyone give me one instanCe of his this deed I WILL LEAVE ISLAM– Hamare Nabipak S.A.W.S ki waja se islam ka ruTba sab se buland Hy..

          Hinduism–
          Even Rama…

          • GOD IS GREAT says

            Mr. / Mrs. (whatever) skphero,

            Before making any lie about Mohammed, read this: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_the_Noteworthy

            Islam is a religion which was accepted by no valuable man till date. Many scientists like Albert Einstein, Carl Sagan, Nicholas Tesla, even Erwin Schroedinger etc. praised Vedas. Think before you insult them. You explained history in Vedas. This shows your utter ignorance about Vedas. Do recheck your translations. Sorry, but I am unable to find any scientist / philosopher worshipping Quran. If you know, just quote what they said. Then only, Islam’s greatness will be accepted.

            Regarding purity of women, You know – Mohammed married to Aisha – 6 year old girl and raped her at age of 9. Sahih Muslim 8.33.10 says that. He married to 11 others. Reply if you think that this shall be accepted. Also reply what science says about 12 marriages. Mohammed was one who started slavery in Africa. Check details online. Pls crosscheck your sources at least 111 times before making any comment.
            May Allah bestow you peace.

          • skphero says

            Dear frnd Realy THe God is great:–
            According to many Ahadith in Bukhari, it is believed Aisha participated in the both of Badr and Uhud battles. Furthermore, in Bukhari’s Kitabu’l-Maghazi, Ibn `Umar states: “The Prophet did not permit me to participate in Uhud battle, as at that time, I was 14 years old. But on the day of Khandaq battle, when I was 15 years old, the Prophet permitted my participation”. So, since it was not allowed for Muslims younger than 15 years old to participate in Uhud battle, Aisha, who participated in Uhud, must have been at least 15 years old in those battles; thus her age was at least 13 to 14 at the time of her marriage…this is the fact dear..and at that time your Hindu maharajas mariied to unlimited wifes what about that?? hear when The quranic verse arived that muslimz are allowed to marry 4 times only at that time the prophet already married 12times..but remember None of his wife had a single complain about him Can u tell me a complain?? who says slavery in africa pls dont say lie HE was a man who forgives his deadly enemies at FATAH e Mecca u say to him likethis… Fear from Allah and pls accept islam dear or i will not or anyone will not save u from the fire :/

      • Vik says

        @Sajid

        No, you dont. Islam doesnt believe in ONE GOD. You have many gods. Besides Allah, you have to believe in Mohammad as well. The status of Mohammad is that of a god. Tell me, can you believe in Allah alone without believing in Mohammad??

        • sajiD says

          vik Dear i onlY Belv in one Allah Dear– Muhammad S.A.W.S is The prophet of Allah We donoT worship Him dear we oNly oBey h1m — I swear That Frndz– we Follow The TeachiNgz of muhammad S.A.W.S and HIS teching is to worship The only one AlmiGhty Allah— pls U to believe only at one Allah This Definately makes u feel Glad And Summarise all of your Troublez

          • Vik says

            @Sajid

            my dear, many places of the Quran are present where Allah says, obey ME AND MY SLAVE (MESSENGER = Mohammad), so why not obey Allah alone???? When Allah is telling you to believe in Him and his rasool, then he is forcing you to commit shirk Himself. Ok, tell me, will you go to heaven if you believe in Allah but no prophets??

        • skphero says

          Why you choose IslaM? pls mere Hindu bhaioun bura nhn manyega mgr such yahi hy apkhud compare krlenyar–for any answer [email protected].

          1)–The onlY Religion Who Teaches to respect women and ask women to Hijab that’s why They protect their selves from Bad ones–

          Hinduism:–
          In the Rigveda, there are numerous places where gifts of beautiful girls as salves are made to saintly persons. For example, Rigveda 6/27/8 mentions Abhyavarti, son of Chayaman, presenting a gift of slave girls stuffed in two big wagons to Rishi Bhardavaj.

          The Mahabharat (Adiparv 220) also reveals that slaves, especially women, were given as a part of the dowry to the bridegroom. Krishna, in his sister Subhadra’s dowry gave along with other objects, “one thousand fair complexioned, charming damsels with lustrous hair and adorned with gold and who were good at serving.” These beautiful women were to be treated as slaves or even as harlots. Mahabharata narrates an incident in which Rishi Galav goes to king Yayati and asks for 800 horses as he had to give them to his guru, Rishi Vishwamitra. King Yayati does not give horses but offers his daughter and says:

          “She is my daughter. She is extremely beautiful and virtuous. She is desired by every male in three worlds. She can charm any Sur, Asur, Aryan or non-Aryan. I offer my daughter to you. You can sell her to any king and manage to have your gurudakhshina.” (Udyog Parv, section 115).

          Realy if you know such things and still following Hinduism Than think where you stand brotherz:( plssss think and rectify your selve.

          2).–The onlY religion which Teaches to be good with slaves our nabi Never Refused or beat any of his slave iF anyone give me one instanCe of his this deed I WILL LEAVE ISLAM– Hamare Nabipak S.A.W.S ki waja se islam ka ruTba sab se buland Hy..

          Hinduism–
          Even Rama received such slaves as wedding gifts from King Janak when he married Sita. This is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan, Baal Kaand, Sarg 74, shloka 5. The duty-conscious (maryada…

          • Prasad says

            @ skphero,
            Let us examine your so called holy book – quran
            Homosexuality was and is widely practiced in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them per-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get “rewarded” by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.The relevant verses from the Koran are:
            Koran 52:24
            Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.
            Koran 56:17
            Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
            Koran 76:19
            And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.

          • Prasad says

            Instructions to Muslims about Unbelievers
            Koran 9:29
            Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.
            So here Prophet Mohammed is instructing a true Muslim to fight people of other religions until the unbelievers debase themselves and pay tax for their existence. So the greatness of Islam is revealed only when follwers of other religions are humiliated.
            Koran 8:12
            Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them.”
            Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture and kill Kafirs if they don’t follow Islam.
            Koran 9:5
            “Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
            In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers to kill the idolators in any brutal way possible until the idolators submit themselves to Islam. Allah is indeed merciful !!

          • Prasad says

            God regards women as inferior to men

            • 37:149-155 Now ask them their opinion: Is it that thy Lord has (only) daughters, and they have sons?- Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? Is it not that they say, from their own invention, “God has begotten children”? but they are liars! Did He (then) choose daughters rather than sons? What is the matter with you? How judge ye?
            Will ye not then receive admonition?

            Stay away from menstruating women

            • 2:222 They ask thee concerning women’s courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by God. For God loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.

          • Prasad says

            Women are sexual objects
            • 2:223 Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will;

            Women have less rights, lower legal status than men
            • 2:228 And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise.
            • 2:282 get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.
            • 4:11 God (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females
            • 4:176 They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. … if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female.

          • Prasad says

            Men can marry up to four women if they treat them equally; unlimited forcible concubines permitted
            In Islam, not only are men allowed to practice polygamy, but they may also capture women in war and use them as sex slaves. This is considered morally legitimate according to the Quran. In other words, non-Muslim women have no right to be free from the horror of slavery and serial rape by Muslim military men.
            • 4:3 Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
            • 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess
            • 4:25 If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess
            • 23:1,5-6 The believers …. abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
            • 70:29-30,35 And those who guard their chastity, Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed, … Such will be the honoured ones in the Gardens (of Bliss).

          • Prasad says

            Muhammad can go beyond the four-wife restriction, can treat his own wives and sex slaves unequally
            • 33:50-52 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only
            for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. Thou mayest defer (the turn of) any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose (turn) thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to
            the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction – that of all of them – with that which thou hast to give them: and God knows (all) that is in your hearts: and God is All-Knowing, Most Forbearing. It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things.

          • Prasad says

            Nobody can marry Muhammad’s widows after he is dead
            • 33:53 And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen:that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should… marry his [Muhammad's] widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in God’s sight an enormity.

            Muhammad’s wives should stay in their houses
            • 33:32-33 O Consorts of the Prophet! … stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; Muhammad decides to marry his adopted son’s wife, despite objections The prophet Muhammad forced his adopted son, Zaid, to divorce his wife so that Muhammad could marry her. This was scandalous for the community, but Muhammad claimed he did this because God told him to, and he told the Muslims they had no right to question his decisions. Most people thought the real reason was because Muhammad lusted after a married woman and used his authority over the community to do whatever he desired, which seems like a more likely
            explanation.
            • 33:36-39 It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of God and thy favour: “Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear God.” But thou didst hide in thy heart that which God was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear God. Then when Zaid had
            dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee [Muhammad]: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And God’s command must be fulfilled. There can be no difficulty to the…

          • Prasad says

            There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in what God has indicated to him as a
            duty. It was the practice (approved) of God amongst those of old that have passed away.And the command of God is a decree determined. (It is the practice of those) who preach the Messages of God, and fear Him, and fear none but God. And enough is God to call (men) to account.

            Muhammad can divorce his wives whenever he wants and get new ones who are more submissive
            • 66:1-5 O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which God has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. God has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and God is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom. When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another),
            and God made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, “Who told thee this? “He said, “He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things).” If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly God is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels – will back (him) up. It may be, if he divorced you (all), that God will give him in exchange
            consorts better than you,- who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to God in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or virgins.

          • Bagyaraj says

            Mr.skphero,
            Your Comment – “Rigveda 6/27/8 mentions Abhyavarti, son of Chayaman, presenting a gift of slave girls stuffed in two big wagons to Rishi Bhardavaj.”
            You are misguided by some fake scholars – Rigveda 6/27/8 does not have even a far related meaning as you explained.Please quote the mantra in Sanskrit.

            Your quote from Mahabharata and Ramayana :-
            Before commenting on these books you should first know what is the purpose of these books.Indian itihasas (epics) give events in the life of individuals, family and society. They give ‘if something is done in such and such ways what will happen ‘.  The analyses of adopting the messages from these events should be done by the reader and   take whatever  messages are relevant in individual/ family /social / national  life.  In short read the  events and  take the  messages. Why such events are written ? The answer is  we do not have enough time in our life to experience and  experiment all the events, find out the good and bad  and then take the selected good only. So the alternative method is to analyze the good and bad events  in the  life of ideal persons/ family / society   and then take the good  from there. That is what is done in the  two itihasas  Valmiki Ramayana and Vyasa Bharata.

            Conclusion – There are a lot of fake religious scholars now a days who are intended to denigrate our heritage and books.Before following blindly these fake scholars i request you to go through the Sanskrit slokas/mantras and clear your doubts from a Sanskrit scholar and then publish it or come for a debate.

          • Prasad says

            @ Skphero
            Please read the above quotes from Qur’an. You can find the adulterated Itihassa and Purana are far better than your unchanged Qur’an.

          • GOD IS GREAT says

            skphero,
            I have nothing against you but against evil factors shaping your perception. Quran is a fake book. After Mohammed’s death, Satan wrote Quran. That is truth which you won’t understand. Anyways, read this:

            http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_the_Noteworthy

            Abandon stupid cults like Islam. Don’t show us idiot websites like your favourite islamic city. That is only made by fanatic idiots whom the world calls Muslim / Momin. This is not my voice alone but those of world’s greatest scholars. They are not against any religion but against Islam. How many mouths will you shut? Go go go… You Momins are definitely, psychopaths as you boast about quantity. Oh Muslim – do your body checkup === Family suffers from AIDS (hell lot of homosexuality) + ill intentions. A momin enters paradise after sending everyone else to hell. I challenge YOU – can you speak of QUALITY? How many scientists Quran generated? – 0. How many technological innovations (other than atom bombs) take place in Muslim dominated nations? – 0. How many valuable minds Islam generated? – 0. (These are words by Lord Tabbit, not by me. Check bbc news for details.) I can count 200 NON Muslims from each of category – can you count 70 from each? Sorry if you feel offended but just getting curious. This is the challenge no Muslim ever cleared. Since you are knowledgeable, please shut my mouth & clear the challenge. Else. see you at the day of judgement.

        • skphero --frnd of hindus the best but misguided says

          To praSad—-your stupid theme 4 sexual object women this Reflects ur evil thinking u fakeman Quran only boost up the character of women not Down Read quran u definately know and also HADITH shreef… First of all prasaD let i tell u Tell me “”CAn u DEliver a chilD””????tell me as u mention a Quranic verse 228:2 which ?Allahpak says Man are superior than women.. now tell me is u are beaten by ur wife?? is u have a weak character and other things which women have??? anY one in the islam Gives equal right to women Dear NOT LIKE hinduism which Delivers Devil act like SATTI and other corruption with women>>>> ShodaR women are treaTed how U know that Dont tell Quran Wrong or u definately be punishEd now to my muslims womens all Dears if u want ur rights and 1 GOD sustainer come to islam…

          • Prasad says

            @skphero ,
            Don’t loose your temper.What i wrote is from quran.Try to accept it or write the quotes from your quran against all my quotes one by one and prove my claims are wrong.
            Instead of shouting what public or a society did show the verses from authentic books and come for a debate else shut up and listen what we wrote.

      • Ganesh says

        nabi ko jo chahen khudaa kar dikhayen! imamon ka rutbaa nabi se badhaaen!!

        sadaa khaankahon pe chadar chadaen! majaaron se din raat mangen duaaen!

        tauheed mein kuch khalal isse naa aae!!

        na eemaan bigde na islaam jaye!

  2. Anand says

    “Atharva Ved 3.30.2 and Rig Veda 14.2.64 also appeal husband and wife to be devoted and faithful to each other.”

    Dear Agniveerji,
    Rig Veda 14.2.64 is incorrect citation. Rig Veda has only 10 Mandalas.
    Regards

  3. Anand says

    Great work Agniveerji. Hats off to u. Only please check certain citations like Rig Veda 14.2.64, Rig Veda 10.185.20/10.185.23/10.185.47. Rig Veda 10.185 has only three mantras.

  4. anand says

    Dear Agniveerji,
    Namaste.
    I think Rig Veda 10.33.2 also condemns polygamy. The verse says "My ribs pain me on both sides , like rival wives:disease, nakedness, hunger, afflict me: my mind flutters like a bird'
    Regards

    • Satyen says

      Respected Agniveer jee,

      Thanks for highlighting monogamous relationship ordained in the Vedas. However, in comparing the status of the women in the Vedas vis a vis in the Quran we should not miss other important issues such as pointed out below:
      1. There are various Brahmavadinis in the Vedas against no female Pagamber or Rasool out of
      124,000 Prophets sent on the earth.
      2.Historically, virtually no -entry of females in Mosques against the majority of females’ presence in
      Hindu temples throughout the history.
      3. Absence of any female Maulvi Hafeez or fakir in Islam against their counterparts such as Gargi,
      Ubhaya Bharati etc.
      4. No presence of female courtiers in Muslim Badshah’ courts against almost the presence of queen
      by the side of the male hindu kings.
      5. The presence of such a heart renting custom as female genital mutilation to devoid the female of
      her sexual pleasure against nothing like this to the Hindu girls.
      6. The less highlighted point in Islamic marriage is its contractual nature against the total merger of
      hearts in the case of Hindus. After marriage, the couple is supposed to participate in all the rituals
      together to consummate it. The metaphors such as Ardhnareeshwar and ardhanganees speak a
      lot about it.
      7. Existence of only angels(I don’t know their genders) against the devis and devtas.
      8. Birth of Role models such as Ram, Krishna and also, Durga, Sita, Savitri, Damayanti etc. who won
      their glories by gaining divine powers. In some cases their husbands are known due to their wives’
      fame.
      10. A strict dress code for the Muslimas.

      I would like to stress a a very important message to the Hindu sisters intending to marry Muslim guys. Nay it should be circulated to them with the above mentioned issues. They have been brainwashed that it’s not going to happen in India. However, they should be made to understand that as the population demography will be more and more tilting towards the Muslims, the above features are bound to be more and more pronounced. If the girl who is marrying today, is not undergoing thro’ these miseries, their sons/daughters or their progenies will have to face it. Will they be able to see the female genital mutilation of their daughters or the circumcision of their sons or their sons turning terrorists ? If they see it, it’s due to their folly today and of course the today’s Hindus in general. So, let’s wake up. It’s never too late and do the needful.

      OM Shantih, Shantih, Shantihi.
      I think, there should come up a few more articles on the status of women compares with that in the Vedas. Just one cannot accommodate all the comparisons as the issues are too many and varied.

      • sona says

        agni ji,
        there are few misconceptions mentioned here by satyen which i wud like to clear it up…again, plz think over these without prejudices,lets not harbor ill will….
        1.yes there has been no mention of female paigambar or messenger…but we must also understand the times wen messengers were sent.wen the teachings of our most respected messenger, muhammed pbuh were disgraced and rebuked by the people of his times, he was tortured physically and had to live in abject poverty becoz his own people rejected him…do u think a woman cud had the courage to endure this?wud a woman’s message, which asked the people to leave their sinful ways be taken seriously??
        2. we hav mosques which hav separate prayer hall for women..why, the biggest mosques of the world in makkah and madinah hav both men and women praying together…u can countercheck it…
        3. yes there r no female maulvi but noone is discouraging them to rise to tht level…again there are female hafiz (one who knws the quran by heart)
        4. that sir is a cultural aspect…islam does not prohibit women in big positions in society….its the society of tht times which discouraged and unfortunately it has stuck with islam.
        5. sir thts the most obnoxious lie i hav ever heard…no female genital mutilation is practised in islam.
        6. closeness and total merging of the hearts is the foundation of marriage..y shud islam prohibit it?
        7. muslims believe tht besides us humans and animals, allah has also created beings which we huimans cannot see—they r the angels and jinns…they r only mentioned briefly in the quran and we do believe their existence, just like the excistence of omnipotent god..if these beings r not humans thn y shud we catogorize thm into men and women???is everything classified in to men and women–even something so powerful as god??y??
        8.the prophets and their wives r our role models…prophet muhammed and wife khadijah, his daughter ayesha, prophet ibrahim and wife hajera…u can check their biographies on wikipedia.
        9..dress code for both males and females in islam exists.but if its hindering in ur day to day activities u r free to alter thm to ur convenience..for eg..if a girl is having problem driving wearing a burqa, she can wear an overcoat or jacket and wear a head scarf..
        sir, i request u and everyone to make this a peaceful and healthy platform for discussion and not resort to blind prejudices…islam is a peaceful religion, we r not barbarians…a few misguided muslims donot represent the whole religion..
        peace to all.

        • KalBhairav says

          @sona:

          islam is a peaceful religion, we r not barbarians…a few misguided muslims donot represent the whole religion..

          Sorry. You can bend backwards, jump up and down, scream at the top of your voice, etc. etc. but Islam and peace are as different as light and day. See the 7 sequences of videos beginning here, especially the 7th and final video where the audience votes on whether Islam is a religion of peace or not. Sorry, the results dont look good for you :-(

          Unless, unless of course, you have your own definition of the word “peace”. Please define it.

          • sona says

            sir, there hav been recent news reports on human sacrifice by some hindu fanatics.but i dont think all hindus are like tht…they are peace loving and sane hindus too…
            thn there was infamous swami nityanand…
            wudnt it b absolutely wrong of me to say tht all hindus are crazy…????? becoz it wil only prove tht im an idiot if im judging the whole community on the the acts of such people….
            plz try to understand my point of view..

          • dharmayoddha says

            @sona
            point # 5, female genital mutilation IS practised even today in egypt and sudan, and it was captured on camera and shown on CNN. The labia major and the clitoris is cut , very barbarically by a barber (hajaam) and is considered a sign on adulthood in women. And it is done with specific purpose of denying pleasure to women during sex, so it is just mechanical activity for them not pleasurable. Please your denials cant hide FACTS.

            There have been recent reports of human sacrifices by hindu fanatics. Well…..where did you get this info from? well….. I would personally LIKE to committ human sacrifices in front of kaali temple of all jihadi terrorists in India like ajmal kasab, afzal guru and assorted separatists in kashmir like geelani etc.

          • Adi says

            As an observer, I would agree upon the so called facts to all of us. I think the problem is with realizing the fact if there is any. The intension of revealing any holy verses by God, has probably been to guide and/or help the people.
            I may be wrong in here and these are my mere thoughts:
            There have been many differences between all the holy books and the followed religions – except for the FACT that all call for peace and harmony at its core. Everyone knows that simple Satwik approach will not help any society to survive but all the three ‘Gunas’.
            Any textual study of any scriptures will not bring any changes to anyone but realizing by oneself. A story narrated by a story teller has an imagination and the audience will have their own imaginations of the same story and same word told by the same story teller. In this case, neither the preacher nor audience has the same picture created in mind. But how about a movie is shown to a group of people? All see the same pictures, colors, events etc – everything is same though their interests and understanding levels could be different. However, the movie director or story writer might have had different imaginations in their minds and what they could display on the screen is closer to their imagination as much possible and within their limit. Now, how about one shows his/her own thought and pass it on to another person to see it mentally – ie if we could see others’ thought and feel others’ feeling? Definitely that could be a fiction for common man at this point in time but at times we do really think that we feel others’ feelings as well. There comes the meaning for Guru and Shishya relationship and practice of Vedas (Veda-Vid-Vision-the insight).
            Guru is not just a pandit or teacher, Guru even can be an illiterate in terms of academic studies but the person who knows his ‘self’ and God. Guru must be able to show the ‘vision’ to the Shishya.
            We don’t even understand what our brain knows and what it communicates with all body parts. But it controls everything…

          • Vinay Arya says

            @Sona

            Who is a Muslim?
            Ans.The one who believes in Kuran or Allah or Muhammad

            What does Kuran say?
            Ans.Do free sex with any one,kill those who are nt muslims i.e. kafirs etc.

            Is it bad?
            Ans.Yes it is bad.

            So every real Muslim is a bad one?
            Ans.Yes, he is.

      • skphero --frnd of hindus the best but misguided says

        A big kafir Here name prasaD I don’t know why thisman says LIe about koran the best book and unchanged in the world..for all The Readers here I am so sad about this act of Vulgurness Dear prasad kindly request u why u did thaT say a ton of lies abt koran..is your religion teach u this..Shame on U.. u are misguiding hindu Brothers about koran..Afraid of Allah u lieR… your first Claim..Answer one:/

        where u read homesex and other rape in quran Tell me..
        as u first mention in surah Toor 52:24 young boys(which Allah creates separetly just for serving the JAnnaTis) will definately serve them… why not as Muslims avoid Sins in their lives so we will be awarded Dear.. AS Quran Says tell Them is GOOD and BAD equal? looklike u are jealous or u are a gay? don’t take it! hmmhmh

        answer2: as u mention in 9:29 Definately Allahpak asking prophet to kill Non-muslims at thaT time who are really hurting theM by all means, 4 example killing Sahabas, throwing stones on prophet, etc Thatwhy Allahpak ask them to kill but That order was for that time? and it is aplicable onlY if the Kuufars are hurting u.
        THIS IS ISLAMIC LAW HEAR ALL—
        “If [non-Muslims] withdraw from you and do not war against you and offer you peace, God alloweth you no way to [to war] against them.” (Quran 4:90)…quran ask for peace my brothers as mention:–“Whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as though he had killed all of mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.” (Qur’an 5:32).in Hadith book prophet says “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person in ware.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).. This is islam not my frnd PRASAD’S one.. conT..

  5. Indra says

    Sir,
    With all due respect I would like to know your opinion on the two wives of sage Yajnavalkya from Brihadaranyaka Upanishad.

    Its described that he had two wives named Maitreyi and Katyayani.

    • yashwant says

      i have read that he had to marry twice due to ‘certain reasons’ .
      i did not find the reasons any where , yet.

      further, one wife policy is upheld in the vedas, and to err is human. so we follow rishi yagnavalkya in acquiring vedic knowledge , but do not emulate his double marriage.

      similiarly don’t emulate gambling by yudhishthira, etc

  6. Sunil says

    I think Dr.Naik should visit Saudi Arabia where almost every Saudi (Muslim) has more than 1 wife and atleast a mistress.

    • dharmayoddha says

      one saudi, 4 wives, 15 kids, 2 maids, 3 sheep, all in one vehicle. GMC suburban. General motors.

  7. Liana says

    This is good, I always did wonder why Ram’s father had three wives, yet he had one. And those stories about the 16000 wives, they used to disgust me as a kid, until a cousin told me the same story as yours, of them girls being slaves.

    At least Hinduism is so vague and everything you can’t make rules out of it and justify polygamy. There is the Manu Smriti though, and I think that scripture is pretty biased against women, but then again, I’ll haven’t read them yet, just quotes. Either way, its pretty disgusting how religion is used to justify vile practices in this world.

    The population of women is definitely lower than men, whoever wrote that book needs to check up the facts.

    Kudos for writing this.=)

    • Vik says

      @Liana

      Namaste Sister,

      Sister, only Vedas are to be followed as per hinduism and Vedas in no way discriminate against women or any other humans. Vedas promote equality of all human beings. As far as Manu Smriti goes, many verses have been adulterated and interpolated. SO all the verses that torment or abuse women or biased towards women are fake. As a true hindu (Arya), we should reject such scriptures.

      All these stories of Shri Krishna having 16 000 wives are crap, hoax. Sister, logically think about it, Shri Krishna was a human just like me and you, do u think logically anyone can have 16 000 wives???

      forget 16 000, no body can even have 1000 wives. These silly stories are all propagated by muslim fanatics like zakir naik, which proves that something called logic dont exist in their brains.

      • Liana says

        Lol, true, logically, 16 000 wives is pretty impossible, but don’t many hindu people believe that anyway? There are all those prayers about Radha and Krishna too, aren’t there? And that’s kind of wrong isn’t it, since he’s already married?

        I suppose, though, through the ages, these stories get blown out of proportions, and people imagine them as they want it to be. And these days, what people practice can be the exact opposite of what they say they believe in, pray to, sing about etc.

        Thanks for replying.=D

        • Vik says

          Many people believe in many silly things that are against Vedic principles.

          Let me summarize the truth.

          Shri Ram and Shri Krishna are our noble role models. They each had ONE wife. Please study MahaBharat to know the true reality of Shri Krishna, not Bhagavat Purana (this book has been badly corrupted and should be rejected whenever it denigrates or goes against Vedic principles).

          There is no such thing as a “caste system” in Vedas. It was all man made crap as time progressed. Vedas promote equality of all humans.

          Women are given the highest respect as per Vedas. Remarriage is only possible if any woman or man have lost a spouse. Not like islam where u can have a collection of women in ur house.

          Vedas declare that there is only ONE GOD (ISHWAR), so all the claims of 33 crore gods or polytheism is a huge myth and hoax.

          • Liana says

            -“Marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one or one that your right hands possess. That will be
            more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.”

            That’s the quote from the Quran about marriage, and it is, at least to me, rather vague. Its how people choose to intepret it, and thus fight over it.

            To be perfectly honest, I’m not sure I like the way, as a female, how religion has been used through the ages to supress women. Every single religious scripture in the world, at least the holiest ones now, is addressed to a man, telling him what to do with a woman.

            Perhaps Hindusim long ago has been based on equal rights and such, but these days, people don’t practice it for sure.

            I’m interested in the gods though. I had always supposed these 33 million (or was it billion?) gods were higher forms of people, more enlightened beings, in different planets, like Indra’s material heavan or Brahmaloka. At least, that’s what I was told growing up.

            And above all these gods was the one God, Brahman. Hmm.

          • Vik says

            @Liana

            Namaste Sister,

            I suggest you read the article women in Vedas, which is also posted on this site. No religion in the world gives the best rights to a woman other than Vedas. Only Vedas tell us to treat women highly.

            The hinduism you see today as been corrupted with the passage of time. Not only corrupted by hindus itself, but its even inspired by islam, christ, bhudd, and other cults.

            To know the true hinduism, please explore Vedas, they are the only ultimate reality.

            As far as multiple wives are concerned, it is a sick concept. How would you feel, if your father had wives beside your mother??? Most importantly, how would your mother feel, if her husband is being shared??

            It is a good thing to support other women, but what is the need to marry them, cannot we help them as sisters and mothers???

            We can even help those women get married, we can fulfil the duty of a brother.

            As far as God goes, there is only ONE GOD, and that is it. Devi Devtas do not mean GOD. THis is a bad translation.

            Devta means any entity we humans benefit from. Calling them helpers would be the best translations. And Devtas are never to be worshipped only respected, and their teachings should be used by us.

            The living devtas are mother, father, spous, guru, and teacher. The non living devtas are fire, water, etc.

          • Liana says

            Of course polygamy is horrible thing, but you can’t deny that even people who called themselves Hindoo’s used to practice it. But yes, I do understand what you’re saying about true Hinduism.

            Or you can help them as friends. I certainly do not understand the need to marry women to protect them too. We humans can really dream up vile concepts.

            I read some of Mr Naik’s answers to why monogamy isn’t ‘practical’. Its pretty amusing. It seems that since america has more women than men, and supposedly 25 million men are gay, it’d be unfair for the extra women to have no husbands.

            Well, he forgot the lesbians. =) And I quite doubt so many women are willing to marry non-americans in the middle east.

            Well, I’m pretty sure Sikism expressively declares women as having equal rights, though that too, is corrupt nowadays, and Sikism did indeed originate from Hinduism.

            Thank you so much for your answers, about the devtas.=) I’m definitely interested in reading further on about that, and about women in the Vedas. Are there any scriptures in Hindusim, addressed to women, about God and living life?

          • आर्यव्रतस्थ says

            @Liana : Not sure if there are specific books on women. but you may look into vedicbook.com for vedas in full are avilable there with both English/Hindi translation.

            Besides you may looks into the charactes on great Indian spiritual Women like Gargi,Lalleshwari and how they were revevred for their knowledge.

          • Vik says

            @Liana

            Namaste sister,

            Historically, yes, I agree even some ignorant hindus have committed polygamy, but again, hindus today do alot of things that are against the Vedas. Let us not judge religion by actions of people, but by scriptures. The biggest problem is that hindus today hardly follow Vedic teachings. For example, a stupid caste system, idol worship, denigrating women status, and many other things that are blatently against Vedas.

            Over the years, we have all seen how good is Zakir’s research, it all his lectures are no less than any comic stage shows. It is a fact that there are greater number of men in this world than women, so should not Zakir recommend polyandry instead of polygamy????

            Zakir says only countries like india have greater male population. But Zakir Naik has forgotten that UAE is an islamic zone, and its male population is triple compared to the women population, now you tell me, how can polygamy be followed in an islamic zone like this where there is greater male population????

            I respect the idea of supporting divorced or other women, but what is the need to marry them???? Muslims are lustful, that is it. There is no sister mother relation in islam. Look at the history of Prophet Mohammad. Mohammad’s first wife was the age of his mother, and yet why did he choose to marry her????

            Sikhism may give equal rights to a woman, but Vedic Dharma promises to give greater rights to women over men. Vedas consider women so pious and precious. There is nothing new any in religion including Sikhism that Vedas does not teach. The sad part is people stopped following Vedas and this lead the downfall of our hindu religion today.

            I suggest you read Satyarth Prakash by Swami Dayanand and Intro to RigVeda by Swami Dayanand.

            All other books of hinduism like Puranas, Ramayana, Manu Smriti have been subjected to many interpolations, so that is why is better not to read them because they might contain stories that denigrate women, which is strongly against Vedas. Only Vedas give a women the highest respect. In the Vedic times, there were many female rishis known as rishikas, who shared their Vedic wisdom with others.

          • Liana says

            Thank you for all the recommendations, I did read the article on women’s status in the Rig veda. However, if you look back till those times, even the Celts in Northern Ireland, the women there had comparitively equal rights. And going a even further back, the Spartans gave women a lot of freedom. So this was all pre-Islam and Christianity.

            I still don’t think the position of women in the Rig Veda is that high. the still get a lower share of the family property, there was still the concept of dowry, in a way, and sons still seemed to be more valuable. Though, I suppose I can understand that if its an agricultural society, and stronger hands are needed.

            Still, its 2010 now, its time women around the world get back for what they’ve suffered through the ages.

            Thank you for taking all that time to explain and talk to me.=)

          • Indian Agnostic says

            @Liana

            if you would have read the 1st part of the article …it says the same in unequivocal terms

            no matter what society you pick …it’s never been an entirely fair game

            the MCP within me says that it’s probably because women are the creators and men the created ..so the responsibility of the creator is much more than the created :(

            before you hit back..i would apprise you that the MCP has been shot dead by the end of this post

      • SSS says

        @ Vik:

        Don’t blame muslims for those scriptures…Its our own scriptures who have written this…

        First accept the truth…and don’t blame others at any cost…!!!

        • Arya says

          @SSS
          Who are you to decide which are “our own scriptures” and which are not? Those false scriptures may be followed by you but dont put us with your “our”. We are not part of your “our”. Anything immoral cant be the part of our Dharm. Any book going against humanity is never Dharmik. And whatever wrong is found in any of the book, we reject that.

        • Vik says

          @SSS

          we only follow Vedas, and there is no such thing as polygamy. Vedas strictly promote that every man should only have one woman.

          These crappy stories are from Puranas whom we reject when they oppose Vedic principles

      • Midhun says

        Namaste

        Am from Kerala. i Didint read any of our scriptures or Holy Books and i dont know my wordings are correct what i know am saying it. My grandpa used to read Ramayana for us when i was small boy. From that what i understood is King Dashrat, Married 4 wifes because, on his first marriage he dosint have child. for his kingship to carry on to next generation he married one more, but no luck likewise next two wifes also. at last he consulted with a priest and made Yaga somthing. (sorry i dont know how to say). after that only he got 4 children’s.

        Now about Lord Krishna

        His 16000 wifes. Its not actually his wifes, they are fully time devotes of Krishna. (For Eg : Nuns Sisters And Mother In Christian Church. The Oath they are taking at the beginning when the became full time devoties of Jesus Christ) thats what i am think about this matter

  8. Muinz says

    As salaamu Alainkum,

    agniveer, can you tell what is shivlingam and is a part of your religion,Is kamasutra part of your religion.

    Can i print books under your name educating idiot hindus that idol worshipping is against hinduism and remove all idols from temples and wash and clean the temples as it has become impure by idols..
    educate hindus on what is shivlingam and what is kamasutra ..

    So that India can become and advanced country as becoz of all nonsense worshipping has put India on back foot.
    All other religious countries area all clean and quality of life is very good except India.

    India is only religious country where people are senselesss and backwqrd..

    • Vajra says

      @Muinz
      Walaikum as salam
      Can you tell me, why is Kaba in a shape of vagina? Is vagina worship part of your religion?

      Before printing books for hinduism, first educate idiot Muslims that worshipping Kaba and Muhammad is against Islam and remove the idol of Kaba from Mecca and remove name of Muhammad from Quran as Mecca became dirty by Kaba idol and Quran and Kalma got impure by Muhammad’s name. Educate Muslims on what is Kaba vagina and what are hadith of Muhammad fondling his wives during their menses and how to keep 11 wives and go to them to have sex in the same night. Nothing can be more educative about Kamasutra than Muhammad’s life, I guess.

      So that Islamic countries can become advanced as because of all nonsense vagina worship and Muhammad worship, they are still in 6th century.

      • Md afaque ahsan says

        U fool we never worship kaaba its our direction or kiblah and from hadees calipha umar standed on the kaaba and gave azaan and told this can never harm me or wil benfit me its just a stone which was built by prophet Abraham now will u stand on any of ur gods idol and sing the bhajan and if u say that we worship kaaba and it has idols inside then u r a ideal example of foolishness and i being a doctor recommends u 4 eye check up or u need a serious mental treatment ,u fool illetrate will u prove me that there is idol in kabah so apologise for it because if i abuse u in ignorance u will abuse my god because we muslims love our god and can give life 4 islam

        • Vik says

          @Md Afaque Ahsan,

          you idiot, kaaba is the biggest idol of Mecca. Any object people bow towards while praying becomes idolatry. Muslims just show double standards by not considering it idolatry. I dont care if Kaaba is your direction, that is your excuse, even buddhists have their excuse to bow before an idol, every idolator has some sort of excuse to bow towards their idol, and yours is direction.

          Standing on an idol is not a big deal, I stood on an idol too, moreover, some hindus can break their own idols, can you muslims do that????

          Ok fine, I agree, you do not worship the kaaba, now please prove it to me, the only way of proving it is to go and hammer the kaaba into pieces, now tell me can you accept this challenge or not???

          If you cant accept this challenge, then go label yourself as an idolator. Just as arabs destroyed many idols of pagans, you should be able to break the kaaba into pieces, so please go on.

          • Md afaque ahsan says

            My sweet brother all it depends upon ur niyat u before an idol have a niyat that this is a god and we in namaz say direction towards kiblah for eg.if u r giving alms 2 poor in the name of lord rama and u have niyat to show ur richness to others will lord rama except it ?no .The same applies with us we know in our heart that its a kiblah my honourable dear brother for eg. if u want to go to banglore from kashmir and train moves towards and train moves towards east continously will u ever reach bangalore ??and u know before kiblah was baitul muqaddas in bani israel that is a simple masjid u can look for it._And u know surah ikhlaas which is known as touchstone of theology by many non muslims religious expert it meaning is Kaho ki allah ek hai,allah eternal or absolute uska koi shareek nahi hai ,woh na kisi ko janta hai na kisi se janaa hai ,uske jaisa koi nahi !bye brother take care

          • Vik says

            @Md Afaque Ahsan

            my dear brother, when did I say that I do not accept your reason of Kaaba being a direction or Qiblah, I agree with that, All I am saying brother, that regardless whatever reason you hold behind bowing towards Kaaba, you are still an idolator. Every hindu who bows before the statue of Ram, does NOT consider that statue to be Ram, but instead he/she is using it to simulate the real Ram. Although this is a Vedic site and we are against idol worship but I am just saying, that any idol worshipper u see, whether its a buddhist or ignorant hindu, they all in their niyats know that this statue is NOT GOD, but just using it to concentrate and impress the REAL GOD. Now the only difference is, that muslims say that Kaaba is for direction and buddhist and jains say that their idol is for concentration, both of you have different reasons, but ultimately and logically both of you are idolators. Brother, you have got to understand that idol is any physical object that we can touch and see, for example, picture, statue, mosque, mandir, house etc. So as long as one bows towards these idols, he/she is considered an idolator. Anyone whether its muslims, hindus, jains, budd, jews, sikhs, and christians, who bows before a physical object while they pray no matter what their niyat is is considered an idolator. Dear brother, I appreciate your politeness, and please do not get hurt by anything I say. I am just trying to prove my point.

          • samantha francis says

            Asalaam alaikum my muslim brothers and sister, just to make you clear the concept that we muslims just pray in the direction of kabba ,we dont worship Kabba ,instead we worship for ALLAH(S.W.T), if you are still not clear , only a mental hospital can help you better. :)

        • Md afaque ahsan says

          Look brother if its an idol it should be present in every masjid not only in arab It should be in every muslim house U can go and verify it .muinz is a bloody fool i know he herted ur religious sentiments.Actually mecca lies in the centre of the world so its a sign of unity That square solid rock is the sign to offer mamaz in a system and group that this direction u have to bow ur head even ur dharmguru acknowledged isjam and testify that this religion is on truth i have 2 respect that rock because its a holy rock buijt by abraham even in bible it is mentioned about that holy rock the kiblah of abraham and ismaij and why nt u quote the verses of veda where it is written about the coming of prophet muhammad which was even supported by shankaracharaya

          • Vik says

            @Md Afaque ahsan

            brother, whether idol is located at one place or in every house, it doesnt matter. We are talking about quality here, NOT QUANTITY. For your information some muslims have the picture of kaaba in their living rooms. But again as I said, its about quality, whether you bow before one idol or ten million idols, idolatry is idolatry.

            Direction and unity are just excuses, bowing before an idol is considered idolatry, whether you bow before kaaba in the name of Allah or you bow before Buddha statue in the name of Gautam Buddha, I hope you get my point. Your dharmgurus you are talking about are all fakes enslaved by Naik. And there is no mention of Mohammad in Vedas, search this site you will find an article debunking this myth.

            All I know a true idolator will never break his idol, now my challenge still stands out clear, can you go and break the kaaba into pieces to prove to the world your not an idolator??? It doesnt matter whether it was built by Ibrahim or Ismayal, all i know it is an idol, and it should face the same consequences as the idols of the pagans did when they try to do idol worship. Until you do not go and break the kaaba, I cannot accept you as an NON idolator, it is simple as that!!

    • Rj3865 says

      Quote ” agniveer, can you tell what is shivlingam and is a part of your religion,Is kamasutra part of your religion.” Unquote

      Shivlingam appeared for the first time when lord vishnu said Lord Bramha his son and Lord Bramha denied to accept him as his father so they turned to fight each other and due to the immense power of their fight Shivlingam appeared , refer any of Puranas in creation part …..

      Quote “Can i print books under your name educating idiot hindus that idol worshipping is against hinduism and remove all idols from temples and wash and clean the temples as it has become impure by idols” Unquote

      No, you can print any book for educating hindus anything , if you want you can print a book named Islam stands for PISSSS, and educate your own muslim brothers to worship ALLAH in his true form which means that Allah is having a form and a figure as it is stated at several place is Quran that Allah has a Body …. specially idols are nothing but a rock whom we consider god just to concentrate but please be pure by washing away the bloods of all poor helpless animals and people whom you kill as kafir or for your taste …..
      .

      Quote “So that India can become and advanced country as becoz of all nonsense worshipping has put India on back foot.
      All other religious countries area all clean and quality of life is very good except India.” Unquote

      Can you please name me few Islamic countries who are highly developed , but i can name you some who are ruined now a days like Pakistan , Afghanistan , Iran , Iraq , Indonesia etc .. These countries are highly under developed and needs to grow and refuse Quran as their signs and science and then you people will develop a lot …

      Now coming to India , you must be aware that it has produced a benchmark in every field like Amitabh Bachan , Sachin tendulkar , Aryabhatta , APJ Kalam , Atal Bihari vajpayi and great scientist and scholars to today like ram Dev Baba whom whole world is folling for yoga … i hope you got ur answers and u must be peaceful now and more after following Vedas ……. Gud luck ///

  9. Md afaque ahsan says

    Agniveer if u r a man and a legal son of ur parents then u should go for a debate to Dr zakir naik.If u r so knowledgeble then why r u here limited 2 a website not even known i accidently met u go and call Dr zakir naik for a debate infront of lakhs of people and u know my Friends younger brother 8 yrs old his name is Nischal know dr naik

    • Vik says

      @Md Afaque Ahsan

      MR. Ahsan,

      if you are a true follower of islam, then go tell that coward terrorist Zakir Naik to accept the challenge of Arya Samaj which has been pending since 2004. Why dont you google search “Zakir Naik challenged by Arya”, and see how Naik is scared to accept our challenge, till then do not show your face to us, until you get Naik to debate us

      • Md afaque ahsan says

        Why ur dharmguru acknowledged islam why he a fundamentalist hindu said that this is the religion on truth .why thousands of hindus are accepting islam and can u produce ur proof that a muslim convert to a hindu but there can be exception may be most of the muslims r nt fundamentalist .My friend manoj a hindu converted to a muslim and islam never allows terrorism this is only religion with humanity and i can prove i am nt gning tn abuse u as islam never permits it u are giving reference from quran out of context my brother u try to read quran positively and i wil cal u a brother whether u abuse me but dnt speak ill about allah if have problem u can speak ill to me

        • Vik says

          @Md afaque ahsan

          have you heard of Anwar Sheikh and Maulana Mehboob Ali?? They were muslims then they accepted Vedic Dharma. Conversion does not justify truthfullness, many people are converting out of ignorance. Many people in arab countries want to convert to other religoins, but they are given the fear of execution since islam orders to kill apostates under the law of sharia if they leave islam and propagate other religions.

          • Md afaque ahsan says

            I can also accept some points of ved if its matches with quran and if u r telling that arab peoples wants conversion some of them they have not concrete imaan u test quran and some distinguished persona in 20th century fundamentalist were used 2 define christains but now muslims and the practising muslims are the most in the whole world may be with sheikh anwar falls in love with anybndy or may he was interacted with luxury and islam is not denoted by sheikh anwar he is zern in islam even i dr zakir naik is zero .Allah does not need our to superceed his deen he is alone enough we are doing this 4 our own reward and we want to save u to save ourselves so that u ppl will not say that nobody warned me and if i dnt say to any non muslim the haq then i am neglecting ur haq and i will also go to hell with u all

          • Vik says

            @Md Afaque Ahsan

            dear brother,

            there is no such thing as hell which will burn you. Allah or Ishwar are great, they only judge one by the deeds. Continue to love and respect all humanity, and always think good for everyone including nonmuslims, you will attain heaven over here on earth, because the real heaven is here brother. All your knowledge about islam is from the Quran which is fake. Brother, tell me one thing, did Prophet Mohammad compile the Quran?? Do not forget that Quran was compiled after Mohammad left this world and at the same time there were riots going on, so how can you trust such book to be authentic? Maybe arabs wrote all this stuff to scare people and gain power. Brother, just listen to your heart, and you will attain the reall Allah, the true Allah, the Allah whom Mohammad believed in.

          • Md afaque ahsan says

            The quran is preserved as it is 1400 yrs before and will be preserved forever allah says in surah fussilat ch 41,v 41 Verily ,those who disbelieved in the reminder (i.e the quran)when it came to them and verily it is an honourable book and allah took it s responsiblity to protect it from corruption .now just think scientifically 1400 yrs ago science was not advance it was limited 2 architecture only .Quran told that earth rotates it says that moon has not its own light it says about big bang theory it says about our body biology it say about galaxy It says abt stars it says atoms and many other scientific terms u can read surah al ambiya which prove and u can match quran 1400 years ago and today in many musuem and i dnt know frm where u get all these wrong references even 80%of scholars of religion ,and science consider it as allah’s book even research is taking place and alhamdurillah dr adam pelsin says “To adam be a sincere that pepole who worry that one day nucleary weaponry will fall in the hands of arab they say to realise that the islamic bomb has alredy been dropped it fell the day prophet muhammad was born” ….even i have a 150 yrs old quran and global warming and moon coming closer are discovered a few dacades ago ..i think U consider u better scholar than all but so sorry 2 say i have never heard abt u as Vik a scholar of hindu religion .science without religion is incomplete and religion without quran is laime islam is the religion in which peple are getting more than any religion in nearly every part of the world Because islam is logic islam is wisdom it is humanity just dnt test peple test quran and read it just as a book and u wil get the result nearly every educated person and logical person acknowledge islam i wnt 2 end my conversation }……lailaha illallah no can be worshipped except allah …..this dot before and after means allah mean is only one and alone master of the world

          • Vik says

            @Md Afaque Ahsan

            Quran is preserved? How do you know that? Just because a bunch of mullahs have been shouting off of their lungs that Quran is preserved?

            Do you have the very first written and compiled Quran??????
            Were you there when Quran was being dictated by Mohammad?
            Did you see it getting writtten and compiled?
            Did you compare each verse or ayat to see if its changed or not???

            By your logic, even Bible and Torah are still preserved today. No christian will ever say Bible is corrupted and no Jewish will ever say Torah is corrupted. Everybody will point fingers at one another to gain supremacy. If you show scientific errors in their book, they will show scientific errors in your book and you will keep saying that they are misinterpreting the verses and the debate will keep going on. Brother, its better if we compare each religion in terms of LOGIC.

            As far as science goes, Vedas contain more science than Quran, what have you got to say about that? As per your claim, if Quran talks about earth revolving, then I would like to tell you that Vedas talk about all 9 planets orbiting the sun, any reply?????????

            Vedas talk about construction of aircrafts and boats, Vedas talk about electromagnetism, and even Quantum physics, now you tell me which Scripture is more scientific???

            Yes, your right, only Ishwar is worthy to be worshipped, but islam orders you people to associate Mohammad’s name along with worship which I cannot do. I only worship Allah/Ishwar but I do not want to take Mohammad’s name along with Allah otherwise this is shirk as per Vedas. Only Ishwar alone is to be remembered at all times without associating any prophet or rishi’s name.

            So now you tell me, who is worshipping God alone? Me or you?

            You take Mohammad’s name along with Allah’ name, but I only take Ishwar’s name at all times for example, I always say only Ishwar is to be worshipped, but you say none is worthy of worship except Allah AND MOHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER. See the difference, I cannot say the Mohammad part. I can respect him as a prophet but taking his name along with Allah goes against my will.

          • wellsaid says

            To prove Quran is the word of GOD:

            Very interesting findings of Dr. Tariq Al Swaidan might grasp your attention:
            Dr.Tariq l Swaidan discovered some verses in the Holy Qur’an That mention one thing is equal to another,i.e. men are equal to women.
            Although this makes sense grammatically, the astonishing fact is that the number of times the word man appears in the Holy Qur’an is 24 and number of times the word woman appears is also 24, therefore not only is this phrase correct in the grammatical sense but also true mathematically, i.e. 24 = 24.
            Upon further analysis of various verses, he discovered that this is consistent throughout the whole Holy Qur’an where it says one thing is like another.
            See below for astonishing result of the words mentioned number of times in Arabic
            Holy Qur’an Dunia (one name for life) 115.
            Aakhirat (one name for the life after this world) 115 Malaika (Angels) 88 . Shayteen (Satan) 88 Life 145 …… Death 145 Benefit 50 . Corrupt 50 People 50 .. Messengers 50 Eblees (king of devils) 11 . Seek refuge from Eblees 11 Museebah (calamity) 75 . Thanks 75
            Spending (Sadaqah) 73 . Satisfaction 73 People who are mislead 17 . Dead people 17
            Muslimeen 41 . Jihad 41 Gold 8 . Easy life 8 Magic 60 . Fitnah (dissuasion, misleading) 60
            Zakat (Taxes Muslims pay to the poor) 32 ……. Barakah (Increasing or blessings of wealth) 32 Mind 49 . Noor 49 Tongue 25 . Sermon 25 Desite 8 . Fear 8 Speaking publicly 18 . Publicising 18 Hardship 114 …. Patience 114 Muhammed 4 . Sharee’ah (Muhammed’s teachings) 4 Man 24. Woman 24 And amazingly enough have a look how many times
            the following words appear: Salat 5, Month 12, Day 365, Sea 32, Land 13 Sea + land =
            32+ 13= 45 Sea = 32/45*100q.=71.11111111% Land = 13/45*100 = 28.88888889%
            Sea + land 100.00% Modern science has only recently proven that the water covers
            71.111% of the earth, while the land covers 28.889%. Is this a coincidence? Question is that Who taught Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) all this?
            Reply automatically comes in mind that ALMIGHTY ALLAH taught him.

          • Indian Agnostic says

            Namaste @wellsaid

            if this guys maths is right than 1 mans witness = 2 women’s witness is wrong
            1 husband = 4 wives is wrong , law of inheritance is wrong

            so many wrongs :(

          • sona says

            @vik,
            brother u say tht quran is corrupted and is not the direct word of god…yes we hav not seen it being gifted to the prophet nor do we hav any proof of it besides the mention in the quran itself.we blindly believe in the all powerful and omnipotent god nd if he mentions in quran tht he has taken the responsibility of prserving it for eternity.after all evn u believe in one god right? if He has proclaimed it who r we to doubt it? afterall god is powerful and all knowing..isnt tht wat vedas also say?
            brother, i absolutely agree tht vedas is true as compared to the blind belief and faith followed in the name of hinduism.but y has the true message of vedas been distorted now?true idol worship is not mentioned in veda bt y isnt the true essence of such great scriptures been conveyed to the ignorant?brother, i also wud like to ask wat makes us so sure tht the vedas r not corrupted or adulterated? afterall they r older thn quran itself, and unlike quran vedas were only to byhearted by brahmins…so brother logically if quran is likely to b adulterated so is vedas, right? plz forgiv me if i hav sounded rude bt plz take this in a positive light.
            and brother, its a misconception tht the kaaba is shaped like vagina..its a cube…i dnt see any similarity there..u cn read its dimensions on wikipedia…and brother the kaaba has been destroyed and changed number of times during the course of history..before it was only a smaal rectangular wall but now its a cube…i dont knw how to convince u tht its not an object of worship for us…it only represents direction…for eg…wen i pray at home i turn towards the position of kaaba, and , suppose there is bed in frnt of me or a chair or anything, it dosent mean im worshipping tht object…
            u say tht if its not idol we shud destroy it as u wud destroy ur idol…but brother, the quran has clearly shown us wat has happenend to the people who tried to do tht thousands of years ago…evn after knwing tht its the gods house and is under the protection of god, how can i or any other muslim hav the courage to even think of doing such a thing??again im giving this line of reason soley thinking tht god is all powerful and we ordinary humans can never do anything to displease him….if we do so we wil suffer…isnt tht wat is called karma? again, i cud giv u these explanations only believing tht evn u r a true believer of god’s strength and oneness of ishwara…
            plz do think abt it with an open mind and not restrict ourselves to prejudices…vedic religion is truth, so is islam…
            thnk u…plz do reply brother.

      • samantha francis says

        @Vik,

        You consider yourself to be arya samaji, then for the sake of promoting your relegion why do you use the principles of Swami Dayanand ? just take a simple book with pages inside it and promote it.
        what is the ideology of aryasamaj, is it just based upon criticising other relegions, let i be HINDUISM , ISLAM,CHRISTANITY,SIKHISIM etc and you think the relegion that was born just 100 years ago will overthrough the old relegions which are even 1000 years old,we are in one country so we have to show patience to other relegions, each and every person have there own beliefs,so just leave it upon them .

        • SDC says

          And Ms. Samantha that applies to the missionaries who are aggressively pursuing their surreptitious “harvesting of souls” agenda by playing the caste card to denigrate the hindu faith, and also the muslims who are also busy giving impetus to their “darul islam” movement.

          • samantha francis says

            @SDC,
            please make it correct ,for ur kind information i am not bothered about what happens in missioneries as i am a muslim, that implies to you people also , who take the photos of swami dayanand and compare it with the lord rama and krishna which i saw with my eyes in small villages around delhi and also could you xplain that from where arya samaj has evolved it has evolved from hinduism rit , swami dayand was a hindu and he did nt formed up a relegion , he was a social reformer, it was you guys who made it a relegion, like you people are doin your work in promoting vedic relegion similarly darul ISLAM movements are doing there work, then why are you bothered about them.

          • SDC says

            Then at least do not use deceptive names, this gives out a false impression. But then why blame you, your religion legitimizes the use of treachery and violence for the propagation of the faith. And yes Dayanand was a hindu. Arya Samaj was only formed to go back to the roots of the faith, i.e. the vedas and to shield it from the attacks of the christians and muslims and also to stem the rot that was threatening the very existence of the faith itself which it succeeded in doing.

          • AsHwIn says

            @ samantha :

            “And even if we take your concept of father and son, if a son disobeys and disrespect his father for his whole life, will father love him or hate him?”

            > Tricky. A lot of fathers will still love him as a son and would want him to improve his morals and be a better man no matter what. Many fathers won’t and would want him to burn in hell. Whose love is greater?

            > “disobeys and disrespect the father: again tricky. what if in reality the son and his morals are correct? the father wants the son to act just like him, pray just like him all in the name of the family brotherhood? the son is okay with the idea of brotherhood, but he beleives that real brotherhood is in the mind and he can worship his God the way he wants without causing harm to others. But father says no. You have to be in the sitting room, you have to bow down 5 times a day, you have to face the TV or else it is tantamount to disrespecting me. Son asks, father I love you and God as well, so y all this show? Cant I sit in a corner and pray without bowing in TVs direction? nope-thats insulting me,says father. You will burn in eternal hellfire. Your skin will be roasted and replenished everytime.Your brother wil get a lot of virgins in heaven though. Think about this, son. and pass the message to rest of the family too.

            Got it samantha?

          • samantha francis says

            @SDS,@Ashwin@ and my dear mr @aryavasrat

            Look i got to know one thing that there is no point in making you guys understand what is right and what is wrong u be busy with your life and please dont give everyone a wrong preception about or lovely relegion,let you say anything abt our Prophet(S.A.W) or to our Allaha(S.W.T), you will suffer it one or the other day.by the why first correct editions of manusmriti , Mahabrata and all those relegious book then comment on our Holy Quran,first clear your concepts about relegion then try and make us understand.
            And byt the way how suddenly vedic relegion came in to picture.acoording to you ISLAM, Hinduism, Buddism,jainism, chritianity, sikhism , all the relegions are bad, the best is your relegion :(,let mt tel you the concept of you relegion, if you will pick up one book of arya samaj, which are being circulated in the small towns of northern areas , Arya samaj has nothing on their own rather then criticising other relegion, because of your these habits your putting degrace to the Great personality like Swami Dayanand.
            And to you mister ashwin make this thing clear that you are just a man and stands nowhere in front of our beloved Prophet (S.A.W ) and how can you even think of that, for you i have in Quran in Surah Baqurah 2:79

            So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say, “This is from Allah ,” in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.

            Actually there is not point in discussing with you guys, you are just deaf and dumb people, who dont know about there own relegion but have to comment on other relegions.
            And regarding my name you dont have to bother much, it’s my name and i will change it when my situation demands i dont have to ask ur permission for it from anyone,
            And for the person who is Unleshing the legend within him i just have a big laugh :)
            Agniveer
            unleash the legend within
            :)

        • Truth Seeker says

          @samantha francis
          If Vik & Arya Samaji protecting the humanity by opposing the ideology of (1)making women sex slave, (2) Killing of apostate (3) Marriage between fifty years old man & 6 years old child (4) Cursing the idolater & praying hell for them (5) Killing of beneficial animals for tongue test (6) Ideology that Allah lives on 7th sky if you say he was omnipresent (7) Consider woman half intelligent than Man (8) Gender discrimination by supporting of polygamy (9) Miracles & superstitions (10) Rituals like Kissing of black stone, make round 7 times of Kaba (11)Believe Allah is worship desirous 12)Ideology Allah is cruel enough to send to his children in eternal hell 13)Killing of fellow brother Shiya & Ahamadiya etc due to caste differences (14)Supporter of terrorist like Osama 15) Allah is weak enough could not protect his previous revelations 16)Ideology of not allowing good/noble people to enter into Kaba.
          Brother We must oppose all of above said if we want to protect truth, Dharma & humanity.What u say?

          • samantha francis says

            @True Seek
            It is not written anywhere in ISLAM to have women sex slaves, I don’t agree, if you have it anywhere written then please let we muslims also know.
            Before describing the rationale behind this married relation, let it be known that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) married Sayyida Aisha not of his own desire rather it was a Divine inspiration. Read the following Hadith;

            Narrated ‘Aisha:
            That the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.”
            {Bukhari :: Volume 5 :: Book 58 :: Hadith 235}

            2-It was not out of his physical desires:

            The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) did not marry Sayyidah Aisha out of his physical desires. One need to note that for first 54 years of his life he had only one wife. His only wife till 50th year of his life was Sayyida Khadija. He spent his entire youth with her and she was a two time widowed woman, 15 years elder to him.

            The fact that it was a completely acceptable thing can also be seen from the response of the pagans at that time. No Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet’s marriage was:1-People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.2-Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many non-Muslim and Muslim countries
            Sayyida Aisha never showed her displeasure:

            Another striking thing to observe is that among hundreds of her narrations there is not even a single one showing her displeasure about this marriage. Hence, she had no problem with…

          • samantha francis says

            send me your email ID , i will send you a personal mail regarding every infm

          • samantha francis says

            Hence, she had no problem with this relation. Infect it is manifest from several traditions that she loved the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) too much and even felt some sort of jealousy when she found others around him. Does this not prove that she was extremely happy about this marriage? So, when she herself had no problem at all then what’s the matter of concern for others?

            What you guys are doing you are also cursing Idolaters rite nothing different ? just bother about your religion rather than pointing at others
            We guys are given omnivorous set of teeth by our Almighty to have non veg and veg as per our convenience , nowhere it is written in ISLAM to eat non veg only a person can be a good muslim even if he is a vegetarian and our digestive system can digest both veg and non veg not like herbivorous or carnivorous animals, which can only digest only there type of food and it is mentioned in Manusmirtit Ch5 V 30 and 31, that if you are killing any animal for a sacrifice it is not a sin, as Allah himself have created some animals to be sacrificed.

            Mahabrata Anushasan parva ch88 where bhismapitamaah sys to yudhishtra “if you give herbs and sherbs the ancestors they will be able to survive for 1 month but if you will give red meat of goat or meat of rhinoceros they will have no limits they will be fully satisfied”

            Considering GOD as Omnipresent is considered in ISLAM, if he is Omnipresent then only he can see his each and every living being and there deeds, if it is not considered in your religion then this not our problem.

          • samantha francis says

            @truth seeker
            The Messenger of Allah once said to a group of women: O Women, give charity. I see the majority of those in hellfire to be women. They said: why is it so, O Messenger of Allah? He said: You rebuke a lot and you are disobedient towards your husbands. I have not seen any one who has more influence on an intelligent and sensible man, than you, although you are deficient in intellect and religion. A cautious, sensible man can easily be led astray by you. The women asked: O Allah’s Messenger, what is deficient in our intellect and religion? He said: Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man? They replied in the affirmative. He said: This is the deficiency in your intelligence’… ‘Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menstruation? The women replied in the affirmative. He said: This is the deficiency in your religion.”
            They give the following explanation to the above hadith
            In this narrative of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, according to a normal principle of the classical Arabic language, some words have been suppressed. The words “Naqisa’tul-`aql wal-deen” translated as: “deficient in intellect and religion” have the noun “umu’r” suppressed. The complete phrase is: “Naqisa’tu umu’ril-`aql wal-di’n” or “Naqisa’t fi’ umu’ril-`aql wal-di’n” i.e. “deficient in responsibility in matters pertaining to intellect and religion.
            If I being a girl has not much problem what is your problem ?

            The Quran says marry women of your choice one or two , three or four but donot marry if you cannot do justice between them marry only one, there is no other book on earth that specifically says that marry only one
            If every women in america gets married still there won’t be another 8 million who would be husband, what is the better solution to give them a good husband rather than being treated wrong by other men

            For the question of we muslims kissing black stone in kabba.
            People use to kiss black stone The reason is as…

          • samantha francis says

            For your question to Allah sending is children to eternal hell.
            Allah has no brother no son, no daughter no father for your kind information , by saying this even you became an idolater which you say you are not as according to you GOD should have sons and daughter , please clear your concepts about the Vedic religion then be the one to comment on ISLAM.

            And even if we take your concept of father and son, if a son disobeys and disrespect his father for his whole life, will father love him or hate him ?

            No true muslim will support terrorists who are killing innocent people .

            Allah is not weak enough to preserve revelations is absolutely false , he did that because his people should accept his ne rule rather than following his old rules, tell me one thing do you still have the book of the nursery class in which you wrote ABC , because you were been taught newer and newer things that doesn’t mean that you will forget the older parts but you will upgrade them with newere thought and will eliminate those which are newer

            And regarding the noble people like you entering kabba : If you are interested in ALLAH and his thoughts and are being disrespectful to him why are you interested in entering his holy place. If you are his men then only you are allowed to enter kabba, like for eg you are allowed to enter specific areas of Army only if you are an army men .

            And your name is really suits You dear true seeker first seek true knowledge then comment on other religions 

          • SDC says

            This is the height of idiocy or dhimmitude, whatever you would like to call it. You as a girl have no problems with polygamy and the onus of being loyal in a relationship rests entirely on the shoulders of the women folk and the men are given a free hand with lollipops such as sex slaves, multiple wives, muta marriages, easy divorces, and this seems to go well with you. I wonder if you really are a woman or not, and in case, you are, I am truly amazed at the kind of indoctrination that has rendered you deficient in intelligence. Well, I do not blame you entirely bcoz the religion that you practice really seems to have an deleterious effect on one’s intellect. And by the way, your opinion is not reflective of all the women folk. There is divergence of opinion in this regard. There are free thinkers unlike you who seems to be of a sadistic kind. You are well within your rights to be a slave, you do not have to thrust such degrading and depraving practices onto others.

          • Aryavratst says

            Seems not Momins have to pose under western names and enforce Zakir ideology.. “Army Areas..” :) pathetic.

          • AsHwIn says

            @ Samantha : Actually I am a paedo. I saw your 6 year old daughter the other day in the children’s park . Lo & Behold : The All- Merciful has given me a divine revelation that it is all right to marry her and satisfy my urges !! Now dont question me y Allah didnt reveal this to you too. Revelations are meant only for the special like me. So you have to accept this. Who are you to question the Almighty’s decisions? I told you I got the revelation didnt I? That should suffice as an explanation. So will you arrange for the marriage or should I take the initiative?

        • Rushmore says

          @ Samatha,

          I congratulate you for having stepped up to live with the following –

          Islam Permits Sex with One-Year-Old Girls

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsExiAbCk1A&feature=fvw

          Dr. Ahmad Al-Mub’i, a ‘Saudi Marriage Officiate’: “It is allowed to marry any girl at the age of one. The Prophet Muhammad, whose model we follow, married ‘Ayesha when she was six”.

          Coitus Interruptus (Al-Azl)

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACp9xHs8jl0

          Allah’s ways for expanding the Islamic population :-)

          QURAN 4:34 – “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, send them to their beds, and beat them. Then, if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely Allah is high, supreme.” Well said Allah a.k.a Muhammad. The spirit of typical tribal Arab male chauvinism …

          Muhammad cares two hoots about enslaved women getting forcefully penetrated but deals with coitus interruptus (withdrawing the penis before ejaculation) & judgement day. He condones enslavement, women as booty and rape.

          Sahih Bukhari Vol. 7-#137 Narrated Abu al-Khudri: “We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah’s messenger about it and he said, “Do you really do that?” repeating the question thrice, “There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.””

          Concubines are halal based on this verse – Qur’an (33:50) – “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee”

          Although Muslims are limited to four wives, but they may also have sex with an unlimited number of slaves, as long as they are obtained in Jihad.

          Qur’an (23:5-6) – “…

          • Rushmore says

            contd., (for Samantha Fox)

            Qur’an (23:5-6) – “..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess…” This verse allows the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

            Muslims will constantly say that these verses are taken out of context, but then they will never explain the context to a non-Muslim woman. Instead, they will make these verses sound righteous and also diss the non-Muslim woman’s social customs. Call it the ZN school of graduation :-)

            Samantha, I can add more and more evidences from Sunna and Quran and Hadiths but what’s the point. Your heart is sealed to accept the “noble” deeds enlisted in the “noble” book :-)

  10. KalBhairav says

    @sona:

    vedic religion is truth, so is islam…

    Unless you believe in subjective reality, this is false. I thought you Muslims held that there is but one objective truth/reality out there. I thought the Quran had the entire truth for all of mankind for all times to come. Am I wrong?

  11. KalBhairav says

    @sona:

    becoz it wil only prove tht im an idiot if im judging the whole community on the the acts of such people….
    plz try to understand my point of view..

    The actions of Muslims will speak louder than your words or Allah’s words for that matter. Did you even care to go through the videos I linked to? The debate is about an hour long. Spend some time there first.

  12. says

    WHY ISLAM PERMITTING POLYGAMY:
    ————————————–
    When we speak of polygamy the first thing that is to be
    understood is the fact that it was never an institution that was introduced
    by the Qur’an or Islam. It was an institution that generally prevailed in
    ancient cultures. Look at what the Encyclopedia Britannica writes: “It
    may be seen that in most of the ancient cultures either polygamy or
    the tradition of keeping concubines existed. In China, where there
    existed the above practices apart from the lawfully permitted wife, it
    was never seen to be against the moral code or decency. The tradition
    of maintaining concubines existed in Japan up to 1880. Even though
    polygamy was accepted in ancient Egypt, it was not commonplace.
    However amongst the royal families it was common.” (Vol. xviii, p.188)
    It may be recalled that except for a particular period, polytheism
    was common in all the ancient communities among the Romans. In
    certain communities of central Africa and Australia the rich would
    even compete with one another inthe matter of number of wives, they
    made of young girls who could not be married off by their parents.. It
    is further given to understand that the young men in such communities
    thus finding it difficult to marry and that many amongst them would
    then take in marriage the widows of their fathers after their father’s
    death.. It is even said that the Monomattawo Kings of Zimbabwe had
    as many as three thousand wives. `The Guinnes Book of World
    Records’ has recorded the head of the Batuba, Bakethe races of Zaire
    as possessing the most number of wives. They are said to have had
    many hundreds of wives!
    Many of the Prophets in the Old Testament of the Bible had
    more than one wife. The Book of Genesis makes it quite clear that
    Abraham, who is described as the ideological father of the Jewish

  13. says

    community, had two wives in Sarah and Hagar (16:1-3). It can also be
    seen from the Bible that after the death of Sarah, he married a woman
    named Kedura and that besides this, he mad many other wives as well
    (Genesis 25:1-6)
    Jacob, who was the father of the tribe of Israel had four wives
    named Leya (Genesis 29:21), Laban (29:29), Bilha (30:4) and Silha
    (30:9). As for David who is known as the author of the Psalms, it can
    be seen that he had besides the wives Meekal (1 Samuel 18:29) Batt
    Sheba (2 Samuel 11:27), Abeenovam (2 Samuel 3:3), Abeegayal, Maky,
    Hageethi, Abeethal, Eggai (2 Samuel 3:4-5), had many other as well.
    His son Solomon, who is known as author of the Proverbs had seven
    hundred wives and three hundred concubines! (1 King 11:3) Indeed,
    as a token of the greatness of many individuals, the Old Testament
    cites that ‘they had many wives and sons! (I Chronicles 7:3). These
    instances are reffered only to show that Polytheism was commonplace
    during the times of the Old Testament.
    There is a little evidence in the earliest sources to show that the
    Christian religion which came as the successor of the Jewish one, had
    held polygamy as abominable. There is not a single statement which
    prohibits polygamy anywhere in the gospels, the book of acts, the book
    of revelation, the apostelic writings or even in the letters of Paul. But
    the writings of Paul have discouraged even the very act of marriage
    itself. The disciples of Paul who were taught that ‘it is best not to
    marry’ (1 Corithians 7:38) were inclined towards ascertism and as for
    those who could not manage that came to the stand that one, and only
    one, wife may be taken.
    However, there have also been moves adopted against this stand
    within the Christian community itself. The Mormons of America were
    a people who advocated the cause of polygamy. They claimed that
    Jesus Christ had married and that he had many wives as well. They
    contended that since Christ had appeared to Mary Magdalene, Solomi
    and other women after his resurrection…

  14. says

    This has been mentioned in the Encyclopedia Britannica. “Polytheism
    was recognised by Christian Church during the middle ages. It existed
    in its own right. Indeed, as it was permitted both by the Church and
    Nation it existed legally in many places right up to the middle of the
    sixteenth century.” (Vol XIV, p.950)
    As for India, it may be seen that there existed the tradition of
    taking more than one women as wives right from the time of the Rig
    Veda. It is further given to understand that Indra, the most important
    god in the Rig Veda, himself had more than one wife. There is a verse
    (or Sukta) attribute to Indrani, the most important of all in the wives
    of Indra (Rig Veda, Mandal 10, Sukta 17). The main focus of this
    verse is on a formula to harass the co-wives. It is a formula by means
    of which the attraction of the King towards a co-wife may be eliminated
    and his love be made to flow towards herself instead. From this it may
    be understood that polygamy prevailed universally during the period of
    the Vedas.
    polygamy existed even during the classical period. It is well
    known that Dasharat, the father of Shri Ram who is the hero of the
    Ramayan, had the wives Kausalya, Kaikeyi and Sumithra. As for Shri
    Krishna, the hero of the Mahabharath, the Puranas report that he had
    as many as sixteen thousand and eight wives. These wives of Shri
    Krishna included eight in Rukmini, Jambavathi, Sathyabama, Kalindi,
    Mithravandha, Saraswathy Kaikeyi and Laxmana along with the ten
    thousand daughters of Narakasura.
    By the time age of the Smrithi had commenced, the tradition of
    polygamy also became based on the caste system. The law of the
    Yajnavalkya Smrithi decreed that the Brahiman was to have three
    wives the Kshatriya two and the vaishya and the Shudra were to have
    one each.
    Thissovarname poorvyana two thathika yathakramam
    Brahman Kshathriya visham barya swa shudrajanmana
    (Yajnavalkyasmrithi 1:57)
    “In accordance with the caste order the Brahman may three

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    wives, the Kshatriya two and the vaishya one. The shudra can marry
    only from his own caste”.
    Even in modern societies in which fidelity to one wife is claimed
    it is a fact the practice of having sexual relations with more than one
    woman is quite common. The only difference being that it has been
    referred to by different pet names. While the rich man fulfills his sexual
    desire in the call girl engaged in ‘Public’ relations, the ordinary man
    seeks gratification at the brothels. Studies have shown that those who
    have not approached the prostitute, called by different names, even
    once are very few indeed. Modern society can hardly seen it as a
    crime. In addition to this, statistics reveal that sexual perversions a like
    wife swapping and group sex are on the increase among the elite in
    society. In reality, many of those who strongly speak out against
    polygamy are themselves slave to such sexual misconducts..
    It is an incorrect approach to consider as mere coincidence the
    sexual relationship which Marx maintained with his concubine Helena
    besides his relation with his wife concubine Helena besides his relation
    with his wife Jenny. It is pointless to turn one’s face away from the
    lesson provided by bare facts like the atheist ideologue, Bertrand Russell,
    having four wives and of his having, in addition, relationship with the
    wife of his own son as well as with many other women. We must be
    able to deal constructively and impartially with the reality which they
    prove.It will then be understood that monogamy is a tradition that cannot,
    at least for some individuals, satisfy the very natural longings that run
    deep within them. It is futile, therefore, to engage in a critical discussion
    of polytheism while closing our eyes to this reality.
    The Qur’an does permit polygamy. The verse which provides
    this permission is as follows: “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to
    deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or
    three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to…

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    societies. In this matter, unrestricted freedom prevailed in Arabia.
    The Qur’an brought about a regulation in these practice and restricted
    the number of wives to four. That many prophets themselves possessed
    numerous wives before their attaining prophethood makes it clear
    that in Arabia there existed no restriction, whatsoever, in the number
    of wives. Ameerathul Asad had eight wives while Noufal bin
    Muawiyya Daylami had five. At the time of their embracing Islam,
    the Prophet had asked them to maintain four wives of their own choosing
    and to divorce the rest. In short, therefore, it was in a society where
    there was unrestricted freedom to take any number of wives that the
    law was enforced that four wives may be taken if it is possible to
    show justice to each and if this is not possible, then to have just one.
    The Qur’an does provide the permission to marry four wives, if
    it is deemed necessary, subject to the condition that all be treated
    impartially.
    Moder age has established the practice of marrying not more
    than one wife. However, while it restricts legal marriage to just one
    wife, it does not see anything abhorrent in entertaining relationships
    with call- girls and others of their like.
    Which, then, is the more conducive code for woman ?
    Islam does not recognize any extra-marital affairs no matter
    what the name with which it is called. It is on the basis of this fact of
    Islam being averse to all such relationships that this problem has to be
    analyzed. In a country that is ruled by Islamic rule – adulterers, if their
    guilt is proven, by the testimony of four eyewitnesses – will be subject
    to a hundred lashes if they be unmarried and to death by stoning if
    they are married. Indeed, the degree of abhorrence shown by Islamic
    law towards these crimes is made manifest in these punishments. From
    the view point of Islam, adultery becomes the very cause of the breakup
    of the family, the which is the fundamental unit of the society, and
    through this of the basis of all norms of morality…

    • SDC says

      What is the basic difference between marrying more than once and visiting call girls? In fact, in case of call girls, although undoubtedly there is a breach of trust, but still things can be patched if the wife is generous and willing to forgive her hubby who may have succumbed to the weakness of the flesh, but in case of a second marriage or more marriages, things get very complicated with the change in familial setup, which is bound to cause more friction and jealousy in the wives resulting in increment of stress levels.

    • SDC says

      Well, talking of the twisted islamic morality, what is your take on the idea of sex-slaves that your prophet mentions in his much-touted book?

      Do you consider it moral enough to continue to adhere to such degrading practices or think of some reformation?

      So, you will judge the adulteration of a practice in accordance with the precepts of the quran?

  17. says

    must also be provisions that provide for the gratification of desires in a
    manner compatible to human nature. Indeed, it is here that the wisdom
    of Islam in permitting polygamy may be truly appreciated.
    There are situations wherein polygamy becomes inevitable at
    the personal as well as the social level within a society entrenched in
    righteousness. Personal circumstances may be summarized as follows:
    One: Man’s sexual urge. It is an uncontested fact that at least
    in the case of some men, there are instances where sexual gratification
    is hardly achieved through one woman alone. After all, sexual
    relations are not possible with women during their periods of
    menstruations, pregnancy and the like. During all such periods, there
    may be men who cannot control their sexual urge. Before these men
    there are but two options: Polygamy or adultery.
    Two: Sexual impotence of the wife. Sometimes impotence in
    women cannot be rectified through treatment. It is but natural that the
    man will, however, need to have the means of fulfilling his desires
    during such periods of inability of his wife. There can only be the
    option of either Polygamy or adultery or else it must be divorce. These
    are the only three ways out for the man. Adultery is, doubtless, immoral.
    As for divorce, though permitted it must be avoidedas much as
    possible. In such a context, polygamy becomes the best alternative.
    Three: Barrenness of the wife. If the wife is barren, there are
    three options before the man: (1) To live a life without having any off
    spring. (2) To divorce the barren woman and to marry another. (3) To
    marry another woman while maintaining the first wife.
    The first option will be an act of cruelty to one’s self. The second
    will be cruelty to the wife. After all, it was not her fault that she
    ended up being barren. It is the third option which is humane. Through
    it, the barren wife may find joy in looking after, and bringing up, the
    children of her husband as her own. She is also thus enabled in fulfilling
    her…

    • SDC says

      The author of this post is guided by certain preconceived notions. He assumes that men have a superior sexual prowess than women, that women can be barren or sexually impotent, but not men, that male sexual adventurism is right and not the other way round. Probably, he needs some deconditioning. The quran seems to have instilled in him a deep sense of male chauvinism.

  18. says

    of women with such disorders to do? There may also be those who
    struggle to even perform the household chores due to such unending
    health disorders. In all these cases the remedy often resorted to is
    either adultery, divorce or polygamy. In divorcing a woman afflicted
    with a permanent disorder, she is actually being forced into the street.
    Here, too, the only humane solution to the problem is polygamy.
    Certain religious texts prescribe divorce in all the aforementioned
    circumstances. Look at the commandment of the Manusmrithi:
    Vandhyashda methi Vedyabde
    Deshamethu mruthapraja
    Ekadashi Sthree janani
    Sathyasthapriya vadinee (Manu Smrithi 9:81)
    “A baran life may be superseded in the eighth year; one whose
    children have died, in the tenth; one who bears (only) daughters, in the
    eleventh; but one who says unpleasant things (may be superseded)
    immediately”
    The remedy prescribed by Atheists for such problems is also
    divorce. Look at the solution prescribed by Bertrand Russell, the greatest
    proponent of Atheism:
    “Where a marriage is childless divorce may be often the right
    solution even when both parties are doing their best to behave decently”
    (Marriage and Morals, P.96)
    In such instances, which option would a woman prefer for her
    husband: polygamy, divorce or adultery? A woman imbued with righteousness
    and love will definitely yearn for polygamy. Indeed, Islam
    has permitted polygamy considering the security of the woman as
    well. Here, we realize that the Qur’anic vision is, indeed, a humane
    one.
    There are also instances wherein polygamy becomes a social
    necessity. These can be enumerated as follows:
    One: The disparity in man-woman population ratio. This can

    • SDC says

      So, sometimes you are stuck with the quran, and sometimes you sway towards what Russell had to say since that fits into your scheme of things, but you are unable to look beyond that, because you are too rooted into those malpractices that you will even quote an atheist, who is wajibul qatl (fit to be killed) to give some basis to your beliefs.

      And also, male have the right to be an adulterer, but the females have to be righteous. Under no circumstance are they to err. Good logic.

  19. says

    take place in two ways. As a natural phenomenon and as a result of
    war. An understanding of history brings forth a certain reality before
    us. It is the fact that in all societies – in all ages – the population of
    women have surpassed that of men. Modern science does offer an
    explanation for this state of affairs. Although the genetic code in humans
    is so constituted that the differences of the sexes is almost in
    proportionate measure, out of the off – springs born, the female ones
    will be more in number than the male ones since the defense mechanism
    of the female foetus against infections and diseases is much
    more vigorous than in the case of the male. It is seen that this disparity
    in numbers stand to the tune of one thousand male for every one
    thousand and ten female children born.
    The situation that manifests itself after a war is another such
    instance. Naturally, it is overwhelmingly the male population that actively
    takes part in war. Thus, there comes about a substantial disparity
    in the male-female ratio. In the Second World War, fifty lakhs of
    Germany’s male population lost their lives while the male-female ratio
    before the war stood on a proportional basis there, after the war the
    ratio was set off balance by an excess of five hundred thousand woman.
    Woman in Japan and Germany resorted to staging demonstrations to
    meet their demand for husbands. Boards reading ‘Wanted: an evening
    guest’ appeared in front of their homes. This is, however, restricted by
    no means to the case of Germany alone. This is, indeed, the natural
    course in any country coming out of the ravages of war.
    Whenever the female population in a country exceeds the number
    of males in it, the society may resort to three options: 1 . E a c h
    male is to marry one woman alone. The remaining women are to live
    suppressing their sexual longings. 2. Each man is to take one woman
    in marriage. The remaining women may resort to adultery. 3. Men,
    with the financial capability as well as the conviction that they will…

    • SDC says

      So, you will talk of the Uhud war, the World Wars, but will refrain from talking of the present-day situation where the skewed sex ratio has reached alarming proportions such that even the excess females of the west will not be enough to cater to the sexual needs of Indian men who outnumber the women by a huge, huge margin. You will dwell in the past, but refuse to accept the realities of the present. And you do all this lend credence to your firm belief in polygamy. Okay, fine, I am all for polygamy, but why this cap on the number of wives? Why only have 4 wives? If I can satisfy say 4 or may be more wives, why cannot I have more than 4 wives? If my sexual vigor can gratify the physical needs of more than 4 women, then I should have more than 4 wives, is not it? But twisted as it may sound, I can marry more than 4 times, but I cannot have more than 4 wives, I will divorce a few of them to ensure that at any given point in time I have not more than 4 wives. I am still trying to understand this obsession with the number 4.

        • SDC says

          Well, to say the least, a twisted reply in defense of a twisted stance. The creator knows the depth of my sexual desire, and I am so bloody oblivious of it. How more farcical can it get than this? Do you have anything solid than this in your defense, or this is the best you can manage?

  20. says

    will, doubtless, serve only to destroy all morality and society itself. It is
    the third option, and the third option alone, which those desirous of a
    morally upright and progressive society will choose to adopt. It was,
    after all, for this very reason that the World Youth Organization that
    gathered in Munich in 1948 recommended polygamy as a viable solution
    for the woes of Germany. Indeed, this has been the solution recommended
    by Islam all along. How is it then that the same solution
    when declared by the World Youth Organization is found to be humane
    but repulsive when declared by Islam?
    What is the solution, which can be offered by the Christian
    church, which holds that the Holy Spirit guides unto all truth for this
    problem? What do they say should be the condition of those women
    who come in excess? Does the church per chance think that they can
    all be made nuns by enticing their minds within the myth that they are
    the brides of the lord? Or will it be that the Church will support them in
    their bid to trespass the boundaries of morality and engage in adultery?
    In truth, it is a fact that those who boast that their religion recommends
    monogamy have no idea, whatsoever, of the stance they
    are to adopt with regard to the social situation where the number of
    women are on the rise.
    For the atheists who consider polygamy an abomination the only
    solution for this social problem is recourse to adultery. Adultery, which
    is accompanied by the unrestricted use of all means of abortion:
    Bertrand Russell writes: “In view of the above circumstances it is
    evident that so long as many men for ecnomic reasons find early marriage
    impossible, while many women cannot marry at all equality as
    between men and women demands a relaxation in the traditional standards
    of feminine virtue. If men are allowed prenupital intercourse (as
    in fact they are) women must be allowed to it also. And in all countries
    where there is an excess of women it is an obvious injustice that women
    who by arithmetical necessity…

  21. says

    female sex” (Marriage and morals, p.59)
    It is Russell’s recommendation that in a society where free sex
    is permitted child rearing must be restricted to married couples and
    that all extra marital sexual relations must involve the use of the viable
    methods of contraception.
    Which then is the more humane recommendation: is it the
    Qur’anic one which asks men to take up more than one woman in
    marriage and to maintain strict equality between them in social circumstances
    wherein there is a disparity in the male-female ratio or is
    it the atheistic recommendation which suggests that women who come
    in excess must take to adultery?
    It is clear that, in reality, the woman is subject to the most cruel
    treachery in the form of such extra-marital relationships. She can be
    thrown out at any moment . She has no right, whatsoever, to associate
    the child born off such relationships with its father for no method of
    contraception is one hundred percent fool-proof. Furthermore, from
    the time that her flesh begins to sag and the wrinkles to appear there
    will be none to even consider her predicament. Which, indeed, is the
    more honourable position: is it the status of a legally married wife who
    has her own rights or is it the label of a prostitute? From the viewpoint
    of Islam, any woman is entitled to her status as legally married wife
    and to her own sovereign rights no matter whether she be the first or
    the fourth wife. Which then is the more suitable option for the women:
    to live as co-wife and to claim for herself and her children all the rights
    that are due unto them and to become entitled to shares in the wealth
    of the husband after his death or to live as a whore, as one without any
    privileges, whatsoever, and to die miserably as a burden to society
    itself?
    Two: Protection of the widows and the orphans: It is the primary
    duty of the society to protect the widows and the orphans. It
    may be seen that Polygamy, at times, becomes expedient in satisfactorily
    fulfilling this duty. For, it is the men who…

  22. says

    Protection of the widows can hardly be conceived to be complete
    by merely providing for food and shelter. Indeed, in many instances,
    it is the young women who are destined to end up as widows.
    Even if they have two or three children, as human beings endowed
    with carnal desires, they will be subject to the desire to have sex.
    Sexual desires cannot be fulfilled by receiving food, clothing and shelter.
    To let them off in such fashion will ultimately serve only to force
    them to take up unrighteous, immoral practices. Indeed, such a course
    of action can serve only to disrupt all morality in society. They must,
    therefore, be remarried. That is the right way of protecting the interests
    of widows.
    Who would come forward to marry the widows, especially
    when they are widows with one or two children. Men could, in general,
    hesitate to have widows as their first wives. As this hesitation is
    but natural it is not fair that they should be criticized for it. It is here
    that polygamy comes to the aid of the widows. If she is willing to be
    the second or the third wife of a man, she is enabled to satisfy all the
    rights that she is entitled to as a human being.
    For the orphans, too, their mother’s re-marriage will provide
    them with relief and security. Whatever the provisions available at an
    orphanage, it can never have the homely atmosphere of a family. It is
    in no insignificant way that the trauma of having been torn off from
    their mother and placed in an orphanage affects the mind of such
    children. At a time when they should be caressed and brought up in
    their mother’s lap they should be there and there alone. They must be
    provided the opportunity to live within the atmosphere of a family. The
    re-marriage of the widow sets up the right opportunity for this to take
    place. If the new husband of their mother is a man of righteousness
    and religiosity, the orphans receive the same treatment as that from a
    father along with a most satisfying family atmosphere. In truth, therefore,
    this is, by far, a more…

  23. says

    Aa Suthr maranalkshantha niyatha brahmacharini
    Yodharmeka patninam kamkshanthi Thamanuthamam
    (5:158)
    “She should be long- suffering until death, self- restrained, and
    chased, striving (to fulfil) the unsurpassed duty of women who have
    one husband.”
    It is from such legal prescriptions that, in due course of time,
    the system of Sati that asks for the wife to die at the pyre of her
    husband originated. Islam, on the other hand, understands the problems
    of the widows and prescribes the apt solutions as well. It never
    asks anybody to assume that there never is a problem while they are
    in the very midst of such problems – problems which can be very well
    be resolved through the option of polygamy. In such circumstances, it
    gives the permission to take up more than one wife. Indeed, it is a
    provision that provides for the security of the widows and the orphans.
    It is for the same reason that in many such circumstances we
    find polygamy coming to the aid of the woman.
    It is clear here that the allegation that by allowing polygamy
    Islam has degraded women is utterly baseless. Indeed, as far as anyone
    seeking a recourse to a social system founded in righteousness is
    concerned, they can, in no wise, push aside the merits of polygamy.

      • says

        Why does the Qur’an, which allows polygamy for men, disallow
        polyandry for women?

        It is true that polyandry existed in many primitive communities.
        In Tibet, Ceylon, Siberia and other lands polyandry prevailed in one
        form or the other. In the case of India, it has been given to understand
        that this custom existed right from the Medieval Age. There are no
        indications, however, that polyandry existed during the Vedic age. The
        fact that there exists no reference, whatsoever, to polyandry even
        when there are references to polygamy in the Aithreya Brahmana
        and the Thirirthrya samhithi makes it clear that that custom never
        existed during the Vedic age. However, from the story of Panchaali
        mentioned in the Mahabharath it may be understood that the custom

    • SDC says

      And also do you even know that Sati practice was later labelled as a social evil and was subsequently abolished. Likewise, the devdasi system was also abolished as these systems were cruel, bigoted, and were against against the basic tenets of humanity.

      • Truth Seeker says

        @shabeer
        Is it obligatory for Muslims:-
        1 to believe in foreigners to be Muslim?
        2. to believe Allah is confined entity?
        3. to believe Allah is real culprit behind all stories of incest/crimes/ terrorism/killing in newspapers, because it is Allah’s creation Shaitan who is corrupting the mind of people?
        4. to believe Allah was sitting idly before this universe creation.
        5. to believe only Allah name recital & doing good deeds consistently for the welfare of all is not enough to get heaven.

  24. Sameer says

    n Islam 25% of the Higher caste Muslims (Ashraf) in India plundered the 85% Pasmanda or lower caste Muslims (Ajlaf, Low category of Muslims and Arzal, Marginalised or degraded Muslims). The Higher caste Muslims Ashraf never allowed to grow Pasmanda (lower caste) Muslims and cunningly blamed all their miseries on Hindus. They brainwashed them that in Hindu majority India they will never get development and all poverty of theirs were due to Hindus when in fact the higher caste Ashraf Muslims are responsible for their poverty because Ashraf Muslims are always afraid that they will lose power over Ajlaf and Arzal Muslims.

    SEE BELOW LINK A MUST READ FOR MUSLIMS AND NON MUSLIMS ALIKE:
    http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers47%5Cpaper4622.html

  25. says

    @agniveer
    where is my last day 5 post about (Why does the Qur’an, which allows polygamy for men, disallow
    polyandry for women?) plz allow the post here,its a replay of adofl.

    plz allow to discuss the people about my comments in postive way.

    • Amitesh says

      Shabeer

      This is a comments section not a copy-paste section ! Hope you understand the difference.
      Would request you to not humiliate yourself further by copy-pasting from the already maligned IRF madarsa website.

    • adolf says

      @shabeer,
      >> On historic justification for polygamy.
      Just because slaves are traded from pre historic times , we dont need to trade slaves today. Similarly just because polyagamy is there in practice at upanishad times it doesnt mean we have to follow them.
      >>On other justifications for polygamy
      My question is about islam permitting polyandry. Not about your justification for polygamy(which you might have copy pasted and the post got deleted).
      A female mating with a male of her choice and raise her progeny(just like animals do) is as old as human civilization. Vedic rishis knew well what are the benefits/deficiencies of polygamy/polyandry/free form relations .
      Thats why they always insist on love, bondage and maintaining one relationship
      over the life time as it causes harmony, thus preventing fighting between humans.

      Sorry to say but , accepting girls as slaves in war booty and maintaining right hand posessions is not all prophetic.
      Also please stop copy pasting as i am bored reading various justifications of a desire craving lustful mind. Given a chance a murderer or rapist will give the same type of justifications and i (we hindus ) wont accept anything which does not treat equal beings as equal.

      • Farhan ali says

        bible which u claim to b words bof god contains pronography………wat u say abt this?????????a book frm god which is revised by scholars of highest eminent of 32 countries and make it rsv ????why u people just cry and spread message of trinity which is removed frm bible in chapter of epistle as a concoction an interploration as a fabrications if u cal ur selves a follower of jesus christ(pbuh) then we muslims r better christains than u because we follow our jesus more than all the christains

  26. says

    brother amithesh

    How can explain the religious things especially complicated subject from 1 or two line?

    This is my way of posting; I am posting the things for common people misunderstood the

    Polygamy, I never compel to u read the entire topics.

    It my way, if u like it ,read it, or shut up…..

  27. KalBhairav says

    Can any Momin play good gymnastics and explain as to why Allah would permit more than one wife per man when Allah himself points out in Quran 4:129 “And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging.”

    What kind of sadist is your Allah, Momins…saying it is ok to marry more than one woman when one of them cannot be treated equal to another?

    • says

      @KB

      If two verses given below have to be true at the same time, Momins are bound to practice monogamy and polygyny is Haraam.

      [Quran 4:3]- “IF ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly [with them], then marry only one…”

      [Quran 4:129]- And you will NEVER be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so] …

    • says

      brother some people miused the law that they marry more than one wife and they coinsider only specific wife,allha point out like this,if anyone marry more than one wife,they must keep the equality between their wifes.

      • Truth Seeker says

        @Shabeer
        __________if anyone marry more than one wife,they must keep the equality between their wifes____________

        If one is not able to keep equality between wives, then what can be done? Can wife go to other person to fulfill her sexual desires. Is there any law in Kuran in support of wife in this matter.

        • says

          what a foolish questions r u talking to me?

          when someone need to polygamy,god says they must keep the equality towards his wife’s.

          If one is not able to keep equality between wives, then what can be done?

          brother the Allah talking to the believers,they can keep the equality between their wife’s.lot of example we can saw from the prophet and his followers.

          if someone has more than one wife,he can’t keep the equality of his wife’s,he never been consider as a Muslim,his wife;s can does divorce and marry real believer.

          • says

            @shabeer

            You are a Kafir. Everyone please ignore this fool. He thinks that Allah is the biggest idiot when He says in Quran

            [Quran 4:129]- And you will NEVER be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]…

      • KalBhairav says

        @shabeer:

        TS took the words from my mouth…

        But your very own Allah himself says in 4:129 that you guys can NEVER treat two wives with equality. Is Allah wrong? What about the unequal wives? Given that you guys dont allow for reincarnation, the unequal wives souls are just completely ruined in this one single solitary shot at life they have serving a man who cannot treat them with equality :-(

          • KalBhairav says

            @shabeer:

            Run along kiddo…you lost this one…better luck next time. As Aatish asks, what the heck does Allah say in 4:129?

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Shabeer
            You are Kaffir if you doubts in Allah’s wisdom/saying 4:129 that you guys can NEVER treat two wives with equality. Is Allah wrong?

        • Noor says

          @aatish a haq & kal bharav……… r u guys……DONKEY…. QUARAN Say in ch 4v129…
          if u can…….. dont marry more than 1 wife…….. coz u can’nt treat two wives with equality……… i’ll give u example > a husband can’t make his wife & mother happy together in a one time afterall one is his mother & another one is his wife…… how could u thought 2 wife frm different family will be happy…….use ur common seance bro…….ya dimag may chemical locha hua_hay to show mistake in quaran……try until u die but can’t prove any thing wrong in quaran….. Allha Knoweth all things………ALLHA HU AKBAR

          • KalBhairav says

            @Noor:

            r u guys……DONKEY….

            No…I am not Buraq the donkey that lifted old Mo to hell…I mean heaven.

            Explain 4:129 in your own words. What the heck does Allah mean there?

          • Noor says

            @ kal bherav gadho ko kya samjana ………………….. din var ramayan padaya aur saam ko pucha sita kis ka biwi? bachha bola sita hanuman ka biwi….. a murkh uppar ka example nahi pada… gandu kahi_ka …………

          • KalBhairav says

            LOL. Good one. Enjoy your fairy tales bro. After all if it gives you good sleep at night, who am I to disturb your apple cart? Just keep the sh!t in your own home and dont form countries based on unverifiable belief on unprovable hatemongering Gods. Chao.

          • says

            @Noor

            ———-how could u thought 2 wife frm different family will be happy———-

            So you agree Allah erred while allowing polygamy?

            Allah ke dimaag mein chemical locha hua tha kya :)

          • says

            @advice to noor

            please don’t behave like that,we must keep the calm,especialy during the ramadan,

            what ever they says,ignore them,prophet got millions times more than it,pry to

            allha for us and them to get good knowlede and better life.

          • Noor says

            @aatish tum gadha ka gadha hi ray gay..tum example ko nahi samaj saktay kya religious baat khak samjo k…bawakuf! ……….har ak baat ko ulta he samjo kya……….gadha…….. Allha hamay sha sahi tha sahi hay aur sahi hoga lakin tumara dimag ka ilaz karna paray ga…………..bawa_kuf read my comment once again & comment …………………….

          • SDC says

            Benoor,
            “gadho ko kya samjana ………………….. din var ramayan padaya aur saam ko pucha sita kis ka biwi? bachha bola sita hanuman ka biwi….. a murkh uppar ka example nahi pada… gandu kahi_ka”

            Sahi bhi hai, tum jaise gadho ko kya samjhana, tum to bewkoof hi paida hua aur bewkoof his maroge. Abbe gadhe biwi aur maa kya saman hoti hai kya be? Ya phir allah miyan se koi naya hukm huwa hai.

      • says

        Surah R’ad 13:16:
        “Say: “Who is the Lord and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth?” Say: “(It is) Allah.” Say: “Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him, such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?” Say: “Are the blind equal with those who see? Or the depths of darkness equal with light?” Or do they assign to Allah partners who have created (anything) as He has created, so that the creation seemed to them similar? Say: “Allah is the Creator of all things: He is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible.”

        Surah Anbiya 21:66:
        “(Abraham) said, “Do ye then worship, besides Allah, things that can neither be of any good to you nor do you harm?”

        Surah Furqan 25:55:
        “Yet do they worship, besides God, things that can neither profit them nor harm them: and the Misbeliever is a helper (of Evil), against his own Lord!”

        The black stone; the Kaaba is a creation which according to the Quran no Muslim can worship. It does no harm to us, neither can it benefit us, which means we cannot worship it. Hence, the Quran refutes the allegation by explicitly condemning the worship of created things. It is direction for unity. If there was no direction, then if Muslims want to offer prayer, it is possible that some may wish to face north, while some may wish to face south. In order to unite Muslims in their worship of only one God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only 1 direction towards the Kaaba. If a Muslim lives in the west of the Kaaba he/she should face the east, those in the east face towards the west, and you get the picture.

        • says

          2) It is a direction organizing the prayer, because if Muslims faced anywhere they wanted in the mosque, no-one would prayer properly, and people would bump around if there wasn’t a direction. For example, certain stances we Muslims adopt in prayer like: bowing down, prostrate on the ground, standing back up, etc. If there wasn’t 1 direction for Muslims to face, Muslims would face wherever they want to, then those bowing down in different directions would bump and fall all over the mosque. The direction appointed by Allah prevents this, and increases the unity in the Muslim nation.

          3) When the Muslims go to Masjid-e-Haram (the Sacred Mosque) in Mecca, they perform circumambulation round the Kaaba. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of 1 God, since, just as every circle has 1 centre.

          There are authentic hadiths which says the following:

          Sahih Bukhari, Book 26, Number 675:
          “Narrated By Zaid bin Aslam : From his father who said: “Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, ‘By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it and said, ‘There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.’ ‘Umar added, ‘(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).”

          Sahih Bukhari, Book 26, Number 667:
          “Narrated By ‘Abis bin Rabia : ‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said “No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.”

          Hence, the Kaaba is not a “god” for us Muslims. It is simply a way to uniting the Muslims and a method of making of organization of the prayer. The Hadiths above are enough to refute the claim that Muslims worship the Kaaba.

        • says

          4) In addition, at the time of Prophet Muhammad, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the the call to prayer. Which idol worshiper stands on the idol he worships? NONE, proving we don’t worship Kaaba. Also, people can go into the Kaaba and pray to God there. NO idol worshiper can ever go to into his own idol, to worship it, which proves Muslims DO NOT worship Kaaba.

          5) I) Skeptics may also claim that Muslims do idol worship by bowing down towards the Kaaba. For an idol worshiper, if an idol breaks he has to go and get a new one to worship. When the Kaaba was attacked and destroyed by forces in the past, worship did NOT stop, which proves Muslims do not worship the Kaaba.

          II) In addition, an idol worshipper cannot go inside the idol he or she worships. In contrast, Muslims can go inside the Kaaba and worship Allah. Even in the past, Muslims had the right to worship Allah while inside the Kaaba. We shall now read:

          Yusuf Ali Commentary – Surah Hajj 22:40:
          “To allow a righteous people to fight against a ferocious and mischief-loving people was fully justified. But the justification was far greater here, when the little Muslim community was not only fighting for its own existence against the Makkan Quraish, but for the very existence of the Faith in the One True God. They had as much right to be in Makkah and worship in the Ka’ba as the other Quraish; yet they were exiled for their Faith. It affected not the faith of one peculiar people. The principle involved was that of all worship, Jewish or Christian as well as Muslim, and of all foundations built for pious uses.”

          Muslims can worship Allah inside the Kaaba. It is clearly apparent from this fact that Muslims do NOT worship the Kaaba, but rather someone else, which is: Allah. An idol worshipper would NEVER go into the idol to worship it, which shows that the criteria for the Kaaba to be the thing that Muslims worships, it fails.

          6) Also, the Jews directly face the “wailing wall” when praying. Does this make them idol worshippers? NO!…

        • says

          Psalm 5:7:
          “But I, by your great mercy, will come into your house; in reverence will I bow down toward your holy temple.”

          Psalm 138:2:
          “I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.”

          Here, David clearly said that he will bow down toward the holy temple. If Christians assert that Islam teaches Muslims to worship the Kaaba, just because the authentic Hadiths tell us to bow TOWARDS the Kaaba, according to the same standards that means they also have to agree that their Bible teaches you to worship the holy temple. Anyone who has a little bit of common sense would know that neither the Bible teaches you to worship the prayer direction, neither does the Quran & Hadiths.

          7) Moreover, any monotheist (i.e. Christian, Jew, Sikh, Hindu, etc) that prays to God (if he/she prays to God at all), no-one can tell me that you don’t face a direction when you pray to God. Regardless what religion a believer of God is, if you pray to God, there is bound to be a direction you face. For Christians (for example), they may face whichever direction they want to pray to God. For instance, a Christian may sit on a chair towards a wall, or towards the window and pray to God. Does that mean the person is worshipping the wall/window? NO. Similarly, in Islam we do NOT worship the Kaaba, since it is a direction to organize the prayer. The difference between the Muslims and Christians is that Christians don’t face towards the holy temple as the Bible teaches, yet the Muslims face towards the Kaaba.

          To conclude, Islam does not condone you to worship the Kaaba, neither does Islam allow you to worship created beings. Anyone who worships the Kaaba or any created being, he is not a Muslim. The only one we are supposed to worship is Allah.

          • Sameer says

            @Shabeer Bro YOU HAVE GIVEN ANSWERS TO YOUR OWN QUESTION KABA IS TEMPLE LIKEWISE HINDUS ALSO STAND ON THEIR TEMPLES TO PUT MIKE OR OTHER THINGS, WILL ANY MUSLIM STAND ON HAJRE ASWAD STONE NO AND EARLIER IF IT WAS DESTROYED YOU CAN EASILY PLACE OTHER STONE AS IT WAS JUST ONLY A DIRECTION ANY STONE CAN ACT AS DIRECTION (Qibla).

            MUSLIMS WORSHIP AT LEAST 3 STONES (SAFA, MARWAH AND HAJRE ASWAD STONES) AND LAKHS OF GRAVES AND STILL TELL THEY ARE FOLLOWING TAUHEED LOL. KORAN clearly states that ONLY ALLAH’S SYMBOLS(IDOLS) SHOULD BE CIRCUMBULATED so SAFA, MARWAH AND HAJRE ASWAD ARE SYMBOLS OR IDOLS OF ALLAH. Muslims say they stand on kaba so kaba is not an idol likewise Hindus also stand on their temples to put flags and other things as Koran says kaba is the house (temple) of allah and the idol is hajre aswad. WILL A MUSLIM STAND ON HAJRE ASWAD INSTEAD OF KISSING IT, THE ANSWER IS NO.

            MUSLIM CONSIDER HAJRE ASWAD AS SYMBOL OR IDOL OF ALLAH THAT IS WHY MUSLIM CIRCUMBULATE AND BOW THEIR HEAD BEFORE IT EVERY FRIDAY IF THIS NOT THE CASE THEN MUSLIMS ARE DOING SHIRK BY CIRCUMBULATING KABA OR HAJRE ASWAD.

            Shabeer bro QIBLA is not Muslim term it is Zoroastrian or Persian term. When Zoroasterian were accused of worshiping fire they said Fire is their Qibla this was copy pasted by Muslims.

          • shravak says

            @Shabeer

            Your arguments are thoroughly refuted by Brother Vik here.

            http://satyagni.com/5062/islam-and-idol-worship/
            ——the Kaaba is a creation which according to the Quran no Muslim can worship. It does no harm to us, neither can it benefit us, which means we cannot worship it. Hence, the Quran refutes the allegation by explicitly condemning the worship of created things. It is direction for unity.—–

            Oh! I wonder how do our Jihadi friends kiss the “direction” and then circumambulate it Question is why you bow towards Kaba? What is the logic other than Allah has commanded this? If commandment of Allah is enough then why this drama of giving arguments to prove that you are not idolater? Simply say we are not idolater because Allah says so! And Non Muslims are idolaters because Allah says so. Game is over! Why need arguments then? And have you ever imagined what will happen if Non Muslims start saying that their idol worship is commanded by their God and thus they do it. What answer do you have for it? The moment you ask for logic, they will ask logic behind direction of worship!

  28. indian muslim says

    @agniveer, y u are allowing here debate on idolworsip in islam? Here topic is polygamy. You have blocked and stopd me 2 times when i was asking aryasamajis view on vegan. Also like u have read babarnama of englands library i have also read a moolshankarnama present in istambol’s library. I want to show some references from moolshankarnama. Will u allow me?

    • Truth Seeker says

      @indian muslim/Faizi
      Brother, causes of avoiding meat eating:-
      1. We generally looks in our around whoever are spreading terrorism, planting Bombs/killing the innocent people are meat eaters. Meat eating makes them dumb & high chances to become terrorist by consuming meat.
      2. Whoever supporting incest & Sex with child or does sex with a child are meat eaters.
      3. Meat eating makes one cruel that he can kill his brothers/fellows just for small issues/differences. Like we see in Pakistan/Irak/Afganistan/Somaliya, Muslims are killing Muslims.
      4. Most of beneficial & innocent animal killer are meat eater.
      5. Meat eaters can not control their sensual desires & they are high chances of their to be lustful. If we look Inspirational epic like Ramayan there is Ram who never look to any woman with lustful desire. There is Laxman & Hanuman etc. who maintained Brahmcharya by virtue of taking Satvik Food. Meat eating corrupts the mind & divert the mind from concentrate on Allah. That is why yogi always avoid meat eating to concentrate on Allah.
      6. Most of the crimes like kidnapping, killing, sexual abuse etc., rape are done by meat eaters.
      Their are many other reasons. It will be a good sign if universities/Governments/other institutions promote vegetarianism to stop all above said.
      And sorry Agniveer Ji, I posted the comment on wrong place.

  29. milk is not veg says

    @shravak, u saidOh! I wonder how do our Jihadi friends kiss the “direction” and then circumambulate it Question is why you bow towards Kaba? What is the logic other than Allah has commanded this? If commandment of Allah is enough then why this drama of giving arguments to prove that you are not idolater? Simply say we are not idolater because Allah says so! And Non Muslims are idolaters because Allah says so. Game is over!

    REPLY:u always say that kaba is idol and if muslims stands on kaba’s roof than hindu’s also stands on temple’s roof. here ur analogy is wrong because idol is not temple but idols are in the temple and u are saying kaba is idol?

      • milk is not veg says

        @shravak, i have seen ur whole replies on veg & non veg topic and also in gurukul kangris topic. you first go to veda promotes hatred and crime II and try to give my answers if u r so big name. yes i am a kid, see a muslim kid make speechless, ur all big names is speechless on veg vs non veg. see the remaining arguments of ur boss truth siker, the big name of agniveer teem http://agniveer.com/621/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-39302, read what arguments he is giving. i want to talk on polygamy in hinduism. is here any aryasamaji?

        • shravak says

          What we are is not the issue here omni or carni or alien, what can benefit us is the topic, veg more suits us, environment, animals etc.
          you got me wrong, i am no big name but i am also not a fanatic like you. I have unbiased approach. Agniveer and others are not interested in replying your childish/repeated arguments which have been addressed here several times. Truth Seeker as my boss is zillion times better than your Arabian aaqas which treat you as 2nd class(mawali). The recent comment of yours regarding krishna having thousand wives etc expose your knowledge and understanding about Hinduism.

          So, better get some knowledge on Hinduism first. And then post comment here.

  30. milk is not veg says

    @all aryasamajis hindus, i am unable to understand the hindus point of view on polygamy? it is well established that according to islam a man can have 4 wives at a time and if he want five it is not allowed, it is sin and punishable in hereafter, same case with a woman she cant have more than one husband at a time. but when u talk about hindus what if a hindu marry more than one wife at a time? it is hindu marriage act in india which allow divorce to hindus and prohibit marrying more than one wife but it is applicable only if a woman report it otherwise practically in india hindus are ahead having more than one wife at a time. what is the religious point of view ie if a man marry more than one he will simply go to next (bad) yoni? what is the punishment? ant is really it is not allowed? what about raja dashrath father of raja ram(noblest man) having more than one wife? funniest thing is it is the only religion which allows polyandry ie a female having more than one husband at a time? polygyny is not allowed but prostitution and fornication having more than 16000 girlfriends allowed. please strictly answer on what is punishment and religious point of view on polygamy.

    • Raja says

      Vedic view is that polygamy is not justifiable. As for punishments, Vedas do not suggest punishments guidelines except for most inhuman crimes like terrorism, rape, murder etc. For rest, it extols the people to adopt the appropriate legal system as per prevailing situations. That is why vedas are timeless unlike Quran and Bible which are time and geography specific. And that is why Hindus had no objection in accepting the law against polygamy. And tomorrow, if the law of further tightened, they would still accept it.

      Further going to bad yoni is not a simple thing. That is a natural punishment which you cannot escape even if you escape human punishment.

      As for Dashrath, he is not a role model for us. Ramayan tells us about problems of polygamy and that is why Ram – our role model – was monogamous.

      As for Krishna having 16000 wives and Pandavas sharing one wife, they are bogus stories based on naughty interpolations in Mahabharat. Anyone who has read actual Mahabharat can eliminate these bogus verses immediately.

      These are just like the Hadiths which term the great Muhammad as rapist, chidl molester etc. We believe that these Hadiths are bogus, as explained by revered ghulam jilani saheb. But idiots refuse to reject such Hadiths and continue to insult Prophet Muhammad.

  31. milk is not veg says

    @amitesh, here is another list see can ur father stop it and moreover yes in quwait, qatar, saudi arabia & UAE, bahrain there are more men u know y BECAUSE MANY MEN GO THERE FOR JOB…. so that does not show that it is natural….. man goes to job there ..ountries with More Women than Men – Table 1
    (click column header to sort results)
    Anguilla106 Antigua and Barbuda110 Argentina103 Armenia112 Aruba111 Austria105 Azerbaijan103 Bahamas, The104 Bangladesh108 Barbados106 Belarus115 Belgium104 Bermuda106Bosnia and Herzegovina103 Bulgaria109 Cambodia104 Cape Verde105 Cayman Islands104 Chad109 Colombia104 Croatia108 Czech Republic105 El Salvador105 Estonia119 Ethiopia103 European Union109 Finland104 France104 Georgia110 Germany103 Greece104 Guatemala103 Guernsey106 Guinea-Bissau105Hong Kong105 Hungary110 Isle of Man104 Italy104 Japan105 Jersey103 Kazakhstan108 Korea, North105 Kyrgyzstan104 soure http://ngureco.hubpages.com/hub/Countries-with-More-Women-than-Men-List-Of-Countries-by-Sex-Ratio-and-24-Million-Chinese-Facing-Singledom

  32. milk is not veg says

    @sameer, can u talk on polygamy? otherwise agniveer block me again. i want to discuss on polygamy. can u tell me what are you ie herbivorous animal or carnivorous animal by nature & by veda?

  33. milk is not veg says

    @sameer, can u talk on polygamy? otherwise agniveer block me again. i want to discuss on polygamy except one question that what are you ie herbivorous or carnivorous by nature & by veda?

  34. milk is not veg says

    @all aryasamajis,can anybiody answer my questions regarding the punishment of polygamy in hinduism? what punishment u have given to 5 pandavas who were sharing same women dropadi? is poly andry allowed in hinduis? suppose if a hindu marrying more than one wife at a time and he is out of india where polygamy is allowed then what punishment he will get according to hindu religion? here is my complete question.. http://agniveer.com/621/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-39310 answer me.

    • RamSinagh says

      OM Ji

      Who said Pandavas were married to One women,Panchali was daughter of Panchal Naresh and that is why she was called panchali,She was married to Yudhistra and in serials and other places she is depicted wrong.Arjun wife was ulupi,Bhiman was married to hidambi,Nakul was married to Karenumati and Sehadeva to Vijaya.

      This is pure lie among Hindus and Muslims that Draupadi was married to five of them.

  35. says

    ———— First u are interfering in nature by female foeticide and making male sex ratio higher in ur society like in haryana and Punjab ————-
    lol! what makes you feel like agniveer is doing that?

    —————-First follow islamamic teachings, which do not allow u to abort female fetus ———
    and what makes you feel that any hindu literature alllows so? (authoriative) ??

    ————————– If women ratio is equal then marry only one. IF U ASKING THE SOLUTION FOR A SOCIETY WHICH HAS HIGHER MALE SEX RATIO THEN ISLAMIC ANSWER IS NOT POLYANDRY BUT ISLAMIC ANSWER IS STOP ABORTION OF FEMALE CHILD.—–

    here can you still not see your oppresion of women in islam?
    women equal –marry one.
    women more — marry two.
    women still more— marry three , marry four
    and what if
    women less — START SHOUTING “”hey stop female foeticide”” !!!! :D
    why do you take double stands ?Just to preserve the falseness of quran???

    • Truth Seeker says

      @Faizi/Milk/Starving to be traitor
      ______you are making fool to moolshankars blind followers from both the sides_____
      Brother you are true, we should follow to Great Mohmad & should do sex with child & daughters & with many women. & Moolashanker was against all these.
      _______by nature female ratio should be high_______
      How many Eve was created by Allah for Aadam?
      _______as u can see ur every god/role model is married ie brahma, shiva, Krishna, rama, _______
      Braham had only one wife. Shiva had only one wife at one time, he married again when his first wife got to death. Rama had only one wife Sita, Krishna had only one wife Rukmani.
      _______ISLAMIC ANSWER IS NOT POLYANDRY_______
      Why not equal laws for man & woman? Why Islam differentiate between Man & Woman?
      How many wives were expected by your mother for your father? Ask your mother.
      How many wives expected by your sister for her Husband?Ask your sister.
      Why not u think same for all as you want for yourself.

  36. NaRuTo says

    A seperate rule for the prophet and for the rest of the muslims! Sometimes I wonder whether muhammad thought himself to be a human prophet or an avatar of God.
    as for your comments on dasartatha, brother, the whole story of ramayana arises out of the problem polygamy caused. :)
    Have you read the whole mahabharata? Because you keep on commenting on krishna’s 16K girlfriends/ wives. Agniveer himself has pointed out that it is an extremely adulterated text and most of such leelas arise from folk tales in villages. Anway, here is a hindu saying this unequivocally : IF KRISHNA WAS MARRIED TO 16000 GIRLS/ WAS FOOLING AROUND OBSCENELY WITH THEM, HIS MORAL CHARACTER WAS POOR AND NOT AN IDEAL MAN TO FOLLOW. Kindly reiterate this from your end when authentic hadiths shows him keeping sex slaves, raping a woman on the night her husband and fellow tribesmen were murdered, etc. Do you have the guts my muslim friend?

    • Vik says

      @Sameer

      Namaste Sameer

      It is great to hear from all of you, and the best part of mission Agniveer is that we are growing and growing into a big family, and now we are more than enough to tackle down terrorist mindsets like Naik and his stooges.

  37. indian says

    @vajra, i have been banned so many times that i have to change my name, so never comment about it. why u just pointing some link and not giving the answer pointwise? if agniveer is deleting my comment modifying it and banning me then what should i do? you can see whatever truthsicker or KB write he never bann them when their comments also not on the topic. also when we show you your role model life like rama the noblest man ever born or krishna who is lord, then u simply say that it is bogus, i dont believe it, it is adulterated. how could u believe rest of the things from that bogus, out dated, adulterated, increasing day by day scriptures? we never think that quran can be adulterated,itis protected and a man can have 4 wives is allowed in quran and i believe in it firmly. regardingo hazrat muhammad’s wives, all of them are respected one and hazrat muhammad married because of Allah’s order which is in quran. i and no any muslim will ever condemn it. you cant see any other thing. what is the age when prophet married second one and except hazrat ayesha every wife was either widow or divorce and every marriage has special context.

    • says

      @indian or sam or milk veg etc etc: The purpose of banning you is that you do not express your views on Agniveer site. By creating fake profiles again and again, you are wasting your own valuable time that better be used to worship the Supreme, and also creating nuisance here. While we allow free discussions and criticism, your approach is too coarse and unfit for the site. We thus request you to share your views on other debating and discussions platforms like facebook/ orkut etc or create a new blog for yourself. Your way of communication spews venom of hatred and derides majority of Muslims whom you claim to represent. Several Muslim friends have mailed us that we ban you for spreading confusion regarding Islam and distracting the discussions to low levels which insult the Muslims as a whole. Eventually all your comments would be deleted. You are free to question or condemn us on some other domain. But we request you to adhere to the very basic etiquettes of internet communications and stop making further comments on this site. This very mindset of intruding and invading speaks volumes of the true ideology one represents. Thanks for your cooperation.

      Admin

  38. says

    @indian aka Satvan Aasmaan aka MIVCIT

    ———i have been banned so many times———

    Getting the taste of banning! What about Non Muslims of the world who have been banned (in terms of preaching and open practicing their religion) in Muslim countries like Saudi Arab for last 1400 years?

    ———a man can have 4 wives is allowed in quran and i believe in it firmly. ——

    You are free to believe firmly in anything right from flying donkeys to talking ants/stones and sex slavery. Problem comes when you start getting the taste of your own medicine. If someone keeps a Momins’ mother and sisters as sex slaves after winning them in war, it should not be the big deal for him then. Are you ready to be one? Why not?

    • Juber Ali says

      @ Assalamualaikum, sajiD Bhai
      Bhai Jan you are doing great service to Islam by defeating Kaffirs intellectually. Good, carry on like this, I also follow you as & when I get time. I think we (all momins) should be united & give harsh rebuttal to Agniveer & Co. I appealed to all my momins brothers dont loos heart; we will succeed finally. Our religion is only true religion. Allah is just testing us how we fight/ response to Kaffirs. I appealed to all momins brothers to come here & defeat Agnveer & co. by their logics. Agniveer & co. can not stand before us much time. Agniveer is just like moon light of few days like its prophet Dayanand.

        • Juber Ali says

          @krishna
          I do not want indulge myself to answer your irrelevant questions. What have you to do with Questions like What was Allah doing before universe creation? How such nonsense questions relevant to you? Why do not you follow the Allah’s commands as noted down in Holy Quran?
          अल्लाह नाम की लूट है लूट सके तो लूट
          अंत समय पछतायेगा जब प्राण जायेंगे छूट
          Allah nam ki loot hai loot sake to loot
          Ant samay pachhtayega jab pran jayege chhoot.

          • says

            अल्लाह नाम की लूट नहीं ,
            कहो अल्लाह के नाम पे लूट ,
            कुरान का सीधा आदेश है …
            गैर मुस्लिम जहां मिले उसे लूट सके तो लूट ||

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Juber
            लगता है कुरान की आएते कम pad गई इसलिए अब तुलसीदास आदि संतो के दोहे चुरा रहे हो .
            राम नाम की लूट है लूट सके तो लूट
            अंत समय पछतायेगा जब प्राण जायेंगे छूट

  39. Sameer says

    @ satyaaasman, Japanese who are meat eaters said to have long life, this is not true. Japanese island of Okinawa which is one of the states which has maximum number of centenarians, approximately 1000. Studies show they are vegans and their diet consist of anti-oxidants like Fruits, vegetables, tofu and Soya.

    Tortoise is the creature which is said to have the most lifespan on earth and they are mostly herbivorous and another thing is there are some carnivorous tortoise but their lifespan is not equal to their herbivorous counterpart.

    IF ALLAH HAS MADE HUMAN BEINGS AS MEAT EATER, THEN WHY DID HE GIVE HUMAN BEINGS DIGESTION AS THAT OF HERBIVOROUS BECAUSE THE STOMACH ACIDITY OF HUMAN BEINGS MATCHES THAT OF HERBIVOROUS IT IS NEITHER LIKE OF OMNIVOROUS OR CARNIVOROUS.

  40. Sameer says

    EVE IS NOT FIRST WOMAN OR WIFE OF ADAM CREATED BY ABRAHMIC GOD. CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS THINK EVE IS FIRST WOMAN CREATED BY GOD AND EVE IS FIRST WIFE OF ADAM. THIS IS A BIG MISCONCEPTION OF BOTH MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS. KORAN AND BIBLE HAS INCOMPLETE STORY OF ADAM. THE COMPLETE STORY IS GIVEN IN JEWISH SCRIPTURE TALMUD, IT SAYS THAT “LILITH” IS THE FIRST WOMAN AND FIRST WIFE CREATED BY ABRAHMIC GOD THERE IS 1 OR 2 VERSE IN BIBLE THAT DESCRIBES LILITH.

    COMPLETE STORY GIVEN IN JEWISH TALMUD IS AS FOLLOWS:

    ABRAHMIC GOD CREATED FIRST MAN AND FIRST WOMAN ADAM AND LILITH FROM MUD BUT LATER ON LILITH REFUSED TO BE UNDER ADAM AND REBELLED AGAINST ADAM AND ABRAHMIC GOD DUE TO THIS ABRAHMIC GOD CAST HER OUT OF HIS LEAGUE AND THEN TOOK A PIECE OF BONE FROM ADAM’S RIB AND CREATED EVE SO THAT THE NEW WOMAN CREATED CANNOT REBEL AGAINST ADAM OR ABRAHMIC GOD (THIS IS THE COMPLETE STORY).

    FEMINIST MOVEMENT OF WORLD ESPECIALLY THAT OF JEWISH WOMAN CONSIDER LILITH AS THEIR ROLE MODEL.

  41. says

    @Vinay

    ——–Dayanand has said that if mother is wrong then it is not necessary to obey her.——-

    No. Abuse your mother in public and call her Pakhandi like you are doing with Nanak. If you dont want to do that with mom then please keep your mouth shut in case of Nanak also.

    • Vinay Arya says

      Dear Vajra
      If my mother is wrong then I should say my mother is wrong.If Nanak is wrong then I should say Nanak is wrong.If my mother is wrong then I should not say that my mother is right.If Nanak is wrong then I should not say that Nanak is right.Truth should be said as truth and the untruth should be called and pronounced as :untruth:
      If I am wrong then I should say I am wrong.If I am wrong then I should not say that I am right.

      • says

        Dear Vinay

        ———If my mother is wrong then I should not say that my mother is right.——–

        You have another option to keep quite because you can always do better things than calling your mother wrong!

        I advise you to think again on your priority list. Abusing Nanak or your mother is of no use. There are more evils in the society that need our focus rather than Nanak’s poor knowledge of Sanskrit or superstition of his disciples. Start from yourself. You should improve your analytic skills, knowledge of Maths and physical science (Padaarth Vidya) and engineering etc that Rishi Dayanand emphasized the most in order to understand Vedas. Read 3rd chapter of Satyarth Prakash.

        Once you become master in Apara Vidya (Maths, science, engineering etc) then only the doors of Para Vidya will open for you. Then you can think of being judgmental about Nanak or Dayanand or your mother.

        Read the books of H.C. Verma, Ajoy Ghatak, Resnick, Arthur Beiser etc to understand basics of Physics. Do practice the unsolved problems of Verma and I.E. Irodov. And remember, dont see the answers before solving the problems.

        • Vinay Arya says

          There are religions more bad than Sikh religion.But is does not mean that Sikh religion is not refutable.If required we should refute it.I am not respecting any other religion by refuting Sikhs.And I am not making Joke of Nanak.I am not from those persons who have found one’s mistake and will tell to whole of the world.If required I will tell otherwise not.
          For example,you did not write “my” bu t you wrote “mi” then should I keep on lecturing on this mistake.If you ould be having pride,you will be fooling people,showing yourself great,worshipping you then I will tell how small mistake you have done and you are considering yourself as God.But befre that occasion it is useless.
          Most of books you have told me have been already read very deeply.But a few books remaining I would read.
          Actually,Iwere an atheist before 1 year.I did not use to believe in idol worshipping,tilak dharan etc. and I did not believe in God.But fortunately I took science as my subject with mathematics.IITians taught me it very deeply.I wee amazed at their teaching.So they had more strangthened my view of non-existence of the God.I did not use to perfor mhavan sandhya even if my father used to perform.
          But again fortunately I was given Satyartha Prakash from my father.As my habit,I started reading it with logics.After reading it I found the new definition of God completely different.So I had to believe in it.There I saw absolutely logical things in Satyarth Praksh.
          Now,I laugh on those atheists.What kind of non-sense is of them.Atheisms is so senseless.I am now firm theist believing in one God(not just beleving but proving the existence of the God) doing Sandhya,Havan,Readng Vedas etc.
          I read few mantras of Vedas applied physics chemistry there and I found them to be true.
          I read other books on religions.Read just one paragraph and threw to dustbin.
          SP is the most enlightening book.

  42. thinkerboy says

    PANCHALI- a model woman in hindu scriptures.
    Five brothers were married to the same women, Panchali. This is known as polyandry.
    Even in the most perverted forma of vice in the West, polyandry is never heard of Supposing achild was birth to this lady, who would become its legitimate father? Will any Hindu live with his brother’s wife OR will any Hindu woman have sex with her in laws as Panchali did?

    Who is the real father of Panchali’s children?

    Dr. Charles says you will find many instances of incest in Hinduism if you go through

    its scriptures.

  43. Tushar Sharma says

    The Guys who says against krishna….

    Please refine your knowledge with truth. Shri Krishna married only one woman, Rukmani. An Arya man (true Follower of Vedas), can not marry more then one woman (Although, some exceptions of it are in Vedas but these are fully logical. For detailed information, please explore Vedas).

    To know the truth about Shri Krishna, Please follow the link:

    http://www.satyavidya.org/component/content/article/50-awakening-of-nation/159-lord-krishna-an-enlightening-personality

    Shri Krishna is considered as Avatar. Avatar, as a material, is a human body used by God to publish some of his unlimited powers to re-establish truthful knowledge among the human beings. Avatar is supposed to teach humans the ideal way of leaving and hence, is worth of much respect. Avatar is a physical expression of Almighty, One, and unseen God.
    And even after this explanation, if someone is considering Avatar as a born of God Himself in a body like an ordinary man, then one needs deep meditation before understanding almighty Gods’ power . Don’t say to me that the greatest creator God is not able to create an Avatar body to reveal his powers and he can only insert a soul in a human body. (If you don’t know the difference between God and souls, please read Gita in the light of Vedas.)

    One Obvious Question: If Vedas are considered as the source of true knowledge why don’t they tell about Avatars (Like Shri ram and Shri Krishna) directly?
    Answer:
    1. Vedas are very first books which are reveled for human being before any Avatar.
    2. These books are supposed to provide true knowledge about Almighty God and the way to get His all blessings only.
    3. Future can be predicted but can not be confirmed as it depends on your Karmas. If God had written the information about Avtars in Vedas, it would be against His philosophy about future.

    All information about Shri Krishna (or any Other Avatar) which are against Vedas must be rejected forcefully.

    Vedas are the basics of our religious and social values…

  44. Tushar Sharma says

    —-continued from previous part of post.
    Every statement from our Religious books must be justified from Vedas values. If it is contradictory to Vedas then it must be rejected. We all know, Indian religious books had been modified at many places by many anti-Hindus and many idiot illiterate pundits even. And, that false knowledge had been circulated since middle age (or may be before of that, if someone has some research on this, please share with me. Thanks in advance!!!). I don’t oppose any book completely, but I reject every statement in any book which is against Vedas. Even we know, in Vedas also, a few statements had added. Many thanks to Scholar Dayanand Saraswati, who found them and rejected on the basis of Sanskrit grammar and logical grounds (Please read his literatures for those logics) .At least, it is a common sense if some sentence is opposite to other sentences which already have been proven logically then that sentence must be wrong. (FYI. I am not his blind follower. Again, Vedas don’t allow following any one blindly!!!).

    As per Mahabharata, as we know, there is nothing about Radha. And if Radha had been at that time and she had had one sided love with Shri Krishna and had accepted Him as Her Husband by heart (the same way as Savitri accepted Satyavan as her Husband just after having conversations with him) what’s wrong if she remained unmarried whole life with this strong believe that she can’t accept any other man as she already considered Herself for Shri Krishna. This only gives us the proof of Her pure feelings and thus must be highly respectable among all human kinds. Avatars are such ideal personally, anyone with pure heart will affectionate with them, so someone, how lived with them… how could be they be an exception!!!

  45. Abhi says

    Dear friends,
    I am hindu, because my parents were hindu, and i love my religion,
    my religion doesnt tell us,or to force someone to change there believes, and say anything bad about thier culture, inspite of arguing or blaming each others culture and religion, why cant we think to keep both religions together, if any one says any thing wrong about hinduism or islam , i think we dont have rite to say, worship the god in which form you want to do, allah wished to have hinduism in the world thats why its exists, and bhagwan wants islam in this world,
    bhai pyar se and bhai chare ke sath raho………

  46. Rehan says

    Dear friends
    i am muslim, but my parents never got time to tech me about islam, so i have very less knowledge about it, and i feel my self lucky about it, you know mere muslim bhaiyo please bura mat maniyega, bachpan se hum logo ka mind wash kiya jata hai, allah ko le kar koi bhi khuda ya khuda ka banda aurto ka respect hi karega,mein ek english medium school mein padha hun, and i found compare to any muslim girl hindu girls enjoyed more freedom, yeh parda system and all keeping our ladies backward, and just a reson for keeping this system is ki kisi ladke ki buri nazar ladki pe na pade, common bhaiyon, ladkiyan bhi toh ladko ko buri nazar se dekh sakti hai, toh ladko ko bhi burqa pehana chahiye
    hindu dodh pilane wali gaye ko bhi mata bolte hai, this king of respect i dont think we will ever happen to see in other religion,
    aap jara sochiye, aaj jitane bhi terrorist duniya mein hai woh sare islam ke naam pe innocents ko mad rahe hai, khudA ishka bura kyun nahin maan raha
    agar khuda kisi begunah ko marne ka aadesh deta hai toh mein ushe khuda manane se inkar karta hun, jindagi jiyo aur jine do ka naam hai
    mujhe bhi nahin pata ki meri soch other musalmano ki tarah kyun nahin hai, may be becoz mein bachpan se hinduo ke sath raha hun, toh may be mein unki tarah ban gaya hun,
    but mein chijo ko logic ke according dekhata hun na ki kisi bhi chij ke according
    aaj duniya mein terroristo ne itane be guanho ko islam ke naam pe maar dala hai ki, i hope ki duniya mein kabhi islam aata hi nahin,
    and please frnd see the fact and take the examples of any country jaha musalmanaurto ka rutba men ke equal hai, i dont think u will find any country, abhi tak toh kayi muslim countries mein muslin mahilao ko vote dena ka bhi haq nahin hai,
    shirf hindustan and other western countries mein muslim aurto ko equally treat kiya jata hai, thanks to hindus, we learned somthing from them

  47. Rehan says

    mera best friend ek hindu hai, woh mera frnd hai y shld i call him kafir and all, dusro ko bhi islamic banao, mein kyun kisi ke believe ko chot pahuchaun , woh log toh mujhe aa kar nahin bolte ki mein mein hinduo ki tarah unke believe pe believe karun, mujhe apne upar sharmindagi feel hota hai, but mein kisi pe ungli uthane se pehale khud pe ungli uthana chata hun, mere musalman bhaiyo, please allah ke naam pe kuch mat karo agar karna hai toh huminity ke naam pe kuch bhi karo, hamein lagta hai hum sahi hai unhe lagta hai woh sahi hai, sahi koi bhi ho please islam ka majak mat banao,
    allah ko kahi rakhana hai toh dil mein rakho, aalah ke liye 5 bar namaz padhane ki jarrorat nahin hai, bas ek bar hi ushe din mein sache dil se yaad kar lo kafi hai

    and mere hindu bhaiayo aapse bhi ek request hai please islam ke bare mein koi rumour mat pehlayiye

  48. Shafinaz says

    Hello,i want to answer the first question which mr krishna posted here. you said something about “Islam boosT up the status of women By saying –Heaven is Beyond the feet of a mother”. theres something you should know is that there are many sayings which you read which are not true about islam. this one i dont know where you got that from is one of fake sayings. you’ll be able to differentiate between authentic and fake only if you study about islam. as for the verse which you came with is a REAL PROOF from the quran. u rightly said about men benefitting with virgins. if u use some of your brain, u’ll understand that men prefer sex over everything,its men nature,thats why my Lord has promised to reward men with virgins,it encourages men to do good deeds when we come to know of all those beautiful rewards. as for the women, you don’t need to worry about their jealousy or not benefitting with virgins because we will be preoccupied with other most important things. women shall be rewarded with all kinds of jewelleries such as pearls and diamonds as women are very fond of these stuffs. and theres nothing about it which u can call shame because in islam,men are allowed to marry 4 women if they can treat them equally in terms of their necessities,.i would be glad to hear from any of you concerning any topics which bother you. i will reply if i have all the answers.

  49. Shafinaz says

    one of you also said that we worship the kaaba etc. hey that means you talk whatever comes in you mind or what? this shows that you dont have a good knowledge about islam ! ! ! before you put post here, just try to search why we exactly goes around the kaaba,u should know your facts before you taunt..i’ll give you the answer no worries..Circumambulating the Kaaba represents the idea of oneness. Its meaning regarding the social life is not to leave unity and to try to maintain this unity. well theres lots more behind circulating the kaaba, but its far from worhipping other things than my Lord. My lord orders unity and theres nowhere in the Quran where He contradicts Himself.

  50. Rehan says

    @Shafinaz:
    mere bhai mujhe ek baat batao, sare mard duniya mein sex ko prefer nahin karte,
    they may also like children, and if some girls prefer sex before children , then???????/
    bhai bura mat manana mein bas apna knwledge badhana chahata hun,
    kya tumhe nahin lagta ki agar ladko ko virgin mil rahe hai toh ladkiyon ko bhi virgin hi milana chahiye, we are here talking about equality , please let me know even in your home, is your sisters and brothers are enjoying same freedom?
    bhai tum yeh ishliye bol rahe ho kyo ki tumhe bachpan se yahi sikhaya gaya hai,
    but i need answer on the basis of logic………

  51. Shafinaz says

    Yes Ankur, i went through the verses and i do not see any contradictions…first of all you didn’t tell me where you are having problems in understanding such a simple verse. anyways i’ll tell you what it talks about. Verse 2:136 – Say (oh muslims), “we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim, Ismail, Ishaque, Yaqub and to Al-Asbuat and that which has been given to Musa and Isa, and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and to Him we have submitted.”

    Allah directed His believing servants to believe in what He sent down to them through His Messenger Muhammad and in what was revealed to the previous Prophets in general.
    Some Prophets Allah mentioned by name, while He did not mention the names of many others.
    Allah directed the believers to refrain from differentiating between the Prophets and to believe in them all. The pillar of Islam is Imaan (oneness of God- Allah) and the articles of Imaan is that we believe in Allah, His Angels, His books, His Prophets, The day of Judgement and the premeasurement.

    i guess you got the answer to your first question.

    And as for the verse 5:51 again you didn’t tell me which part you are having problems in understanding..but will explain it to you.

    O you who believe! Do not take friends from the Jews and the Christians, as they are but friends of each other.

    Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them.

    Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this,

    And if any among you befriends them, then surely he is one of them.

    bn Abi Hatim recorded that;

    Umar ordered Abu Musa Al-Ashari to send him on one sheet of balance the count of what he took in and what he spent. Abu Musa then had a Christian scribe, and he was able to comply with Omar’s demand.

    Umar liked what he saw and exclaimed, “This scribe is proficient. Would you read in the Masjid a letter that came to us from Ash-Sham?”

    Abu Musa said, `He cannot.”

    Umar said, “Is he not pure?”

    Abu Musa said, “No, but he is Christian.”

    Abu Musa said, “So `Umar admonished me and poked my thigh (with his finger), saying, `Drive him out (from Al-Madinah).’

    He then recited O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends…”

    I’ll tell you one more time that i didnt quite understand your question, but i explained the verses. i am sorry if my explanation were irrelevant to your question.

    • Ankur says

      @Shafinaz
      very well,
      so the first verse(2:136) says that there is no distinction exists for a beleiving muslim in any of the revelations for jews & christians(& others) and Islam
      (5:51) forbids the same beleiving muslim not to take jews and christians(who ufortunately believe in the revelations to which a beleiving muslims must make not distinction as per 2:136) as friend as they are enemies of Islam(because they are christians & Jews as they belive in the earlier revelations of Allah) and are cursed?

      You are unable to see any contradictions..??

  52. Shafinaz says

    @ Rehan: i do not understand much hindi but i try answer it anyway. in an example i’ll explain it to you. Suppose you have two small babies, one a baby girl and the other a baby boy. when you dress them, do you dress them the same way? do you buy them the same gifts or to you differentiate with their gender? i dont think you’ll buy dolls for your baby boy. in the same way Allah knows our taste. And in islam a men can marry up to 4 women,likewise in jannah these virgins. And when we women never saw a problem in that, then why are you so bothered about equality??? i guess you are just finding excuses to ignore the logic dude..

    • SDC says

      What do you mean by “we women”? Are you referring to muslim women only or women in general? The analogy that you present is not at all appropriate as it talks of quality and not quantity. Will you buy for the male child 4 times the dresses you will buy for the girl child? Will you feed the male child 4 times more than the girl child?

      So, you are not bothered about equality, and you concede that Allah views males as being superior to females. Fine. Let the women folk come out and answer you.

      Also, why is it that you have to even debate with us because according to Islam, women are half as intelligent as men. So, you will in any case be defeated theoretically.

    • Rehan says

      @Shafinaz: sorry dude, i didn’t knw that u dont knw hindi nyway,
      plz dont feel bad, here we are talking about freedom and equality, it’s cool if boy doesn’t like doll it’s there choice, so if u want to correct ur boy, will you offer him some virgin as rewards, be on logic, i respect ur dedication towards islam, but wat is wrong in it we can not ignore that, and please we are talking about virgins, either a man or female, both enjoys sex in the same way, then why there is no virgins for girls to enjoy,
      in non of the islamic countries women is enjoying same freedom as man, and its true..
      they are treated as slave,
      my friend our religion keepng them back, anyway thanks for discussion…..

  53. Rehan says

    @Shafinaz:
    you are male or female
    if you are male then its good no objection but if you are female, then please open your eyes and fight for equality its ur rite,

  54. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    “we women” i meant muslim women as i said islam allows a man to marry up to 4 women. i meant to say if we can allow our husband to marry other women while we still share a matrimonial relationship with him, so the question of jealousy or equality doesnt rise at all when Allah rewards them with virgins.
    i feel that you are deviating the subject. Here i am talking about the rewards that Allah reserved for us and you are talking about equality?? i’ll ask you something, when you hear girls talk about women accessories, lipstick, eyeshadows, eyeliners,do you feel exited to know more about these products?

    and if you want to talk about equality, you just say it…

    • SDC says

      Are you the mouthpiece of the all muslim women in the world? You referred to an analogy, and I pointed out to the logical fallacy inherent in it. I am sure you will make a very docile wife but I don’t care two hoots how many women you share your husband with. It’s your call after all.

      No, darling, I am still on track: I am trying to prove that Allah views males as superiors to females. Talking about rewards, we know what males will get; would like to know from you as to what is in store for docile women like you in jannah.

      Well, to be frank, they do not mean a thing to me; but, why bring this up. What are you trying to prove/convey?

      Should we not talk of equality then?

  55. Shafinaz says

    @ Rehan : talking about equality reminds me of something, its true like you said both enjoy sex the same way…but then tell me, can a man gets pregnant? or is it only women can give birth? then how do you see this??? equality??? or do you not agree with the fact that men cannot conceive? you are comparing other cultures to islam??? loll my dear islam is a religion, the mode of life,and it doesnt change with the modern times boy…you’ve got the wrong conception about islam.

    • SDC says

      When we talk of equality, we talk of equality in opportunities and rights. Of course, there are
      physiological differences between men and women, and they will have to play different roles in societal development. By simply using this logic, you cannot go on to limit the scope and role of women rights and status in society. Do you intend to punish the womenfolk for their ability to give birth? This is a retrograde step and will have serious repercussions. I wonder if you are genuinely a woman or an impostor.

    • Rehan says

      @Shafinaz:
      Dear your question is
      can a man gets pregnant? or is it only women can give birth? then how do you see this??? equality???
      so do you meant that if a girl is giving birth to a chidl she is inferior than man?????, really dude becoz of you guys islam is loosing his shine, if girl is giving birth then her value should be more than boy, but no islam has made them inferior
      your another question is
      you are comparing other cultures to islam???
      really dude believe me i am not comparing any thing from other culture, but i am just saying what really islam prove here,,

      and again i am telling you if you are a girl fight for equality……………………

  56. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC : will you show me where i said that women is inferior to men?
    and you said “according to Islam, women are half as intelligent as men. So, you will in any case be defeated theoretically.” show me proof in the Quran where it shows women are half intelligent than men? well i’ve never come across to that one loll,will you show me where you got that?

    • SDC says

      That was an inference that I drew from your comments.

      Check them out:

      Qur’an (2:282) – (Court testimony) “And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.”

      Qur’an (2:228) – “and the men are a degree above them [women].”

      Also, check out the following ahadiths: Bukhari (6:301) – Bukhari (2:28) Bukhari (6:301). Probably, you are not conversant with the teachings of your own prophet. LOL.

  57. Shafinaz says

    @ Ankur…you’re right, i still see no contradictions, the first one talks about believing in the revealed books sent down to the jews and the cristians in which all muslims should bring faith that these books were indeed revealed but later was falsified… it didint talk about the people damn it. it clearly says “there is no distinction exists for a believing muslim in any of the REVELATIONS for jews & christians.”
    i explained it to you why we do not believe in the scriptures or you didnt care read it? i’ll again say it.. WE BELIEVE IN WHAT ALLAH HAS SENT DOWN(BOOKS AND PROPHETS) TO THESE NATIONS BUT WE DO NOT TAKE THESE BOOKS AS REFERENCES BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN FALSIFIED, WE TAKE ONLY THE QURAN AND THE SUNNAH TO SEARCH FOR GUIDANCE ! ! !. We do not befriend the jews and the christians because they ignored the book sent down to them and on the top of that they falsified it. i bet its enough for a clear explanation, i dont know how to put it in more simpler words.

    • Ankur says

      @shafinaz
      you said “WE BELIEVE IN WHAT ALLAH HAS SENT DOWN(BOOKS AND PROPHETS) TO THESE NATIONS(you forgot to say the people are named) BUT WE DO NOT TAKE THESE BOOKS AS REFERENCES BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN FALSIFIED”

      first you Believe in the books and prophets and then you say they have been falsified, are you a sane person ; i serously have started to doubt it..now, did you not know jews and christians existed before the quran was written by Uthman, how could they believe in something that did not exist and why would they believe all the earlier revelations (what they had been believing and following for generations just got falsified) because one man said so..? when he himself says and accepts that they are from Allah? on top of that for this logical choice they get to be on the wrong side of Muslims who themselves believe in what was revealed to them (Jews and Christians)

      BTW how have they been falsified? My question is not what you as an individual believe in i am questioning the entire illogical theology of Islam, so please give your arguments for ISLAM and not what you believe in (e.g. there are people who believe that Muhammad split the moon with his finger, as illogical it may sound , hope you are not one of them,just wondering even if he did that why did he not turn the arid desert into a Greenland at least it would have been a great blessing and jannah would not have remained a dream,just wondering…)

      • Ankur says

        @shafinaz
        Besides, what makes Jew a Jew and Christian a christian is it not what they believe in

    • Ankur says

      @Shafinaz
      First you said that : Quote

      Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them.

      Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this,

      Then you Said : Quote

      it didint talk about the people damn it.

      I am now beginning to belive that you are knowingly or unknowking using al-taqqiya or Quran is confusing you too, as expected…

  58. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC (READ IT COMPLETELY)
    Does it bother you if I talk on the behalf of muslim women? Yeah you are right, when my religion allowed plygamy, so why should I object in sharing my husband? And you said something about you don’t care “how many women you share your husband with” you do not have to bother about that, he won’t be committing sins in any way, he will bind her in a matrimonial relationship and that too with the consent of his first wife. Frankly I would prefer that cause I wouldn’t like it if someday I come to know that my husband is in a relationship with an other women in discreet.
    You know why you have a problem in understanding that? Its because you’ve never seen around you a man living with more than 1 woman. It’s the same in my country, but that doesn’t mean I reject what has been ordered by my Lord.

    As for the rewards, so you want to know about the rewards but at the same time pretending that you are the least bothered.
    The Quran and hadith fact that men will get virgin girls is because men are more sexually active and therefore are facing a lot of difficulty (especially in the teenage years) to remain chaste. There are a lot of temptations in this world. That is why that Allah keeps promising these virgin girls. That way, this motivates the unmarried men to remain chaste and be patient because they know they have something better waiting for them in the next life.
    These are some verses that show the equality that men and women receive when it comes to attaining the rewards of paradise.

    (4:194) And whoever does good deeds whether male or female and he (or she) is a believer — these shall enter the garden, and they shall not be dealt with a jot unjustly.
    (16:97) Whoever does good whether male or female and he is a believer, We will most certainly make him live a happy life, and We will most certainly give them their reward for the best of what they did.
    (39:34) They will have with their Lord whatever they desire; that is the reward of those who good.
    Well now that you’ve got proofs,,you can from your own deduction ( maybe the women also can get virgins) :p like my Lord said that He shall give me whatever I desire  happy now Am really enjoying this one LOL

    • SDC says

      @Shafinaz (Comprehend it completely)

      Well, is a spokesman/spokeswoman appointed just like that, arbitrarily, no notifications whatsoever? Fine. So, you are indeed the self-appointed spokeswoman of muslim women.

      The point is why allow polygamy for only one-half of the population. If it is indeed worthy of practice, why are the women are debarred from practicing it? What is the basic difference between your husband having more wives (besides you of course) and him having extramarital affairs with other women?

      Inquiring and being bothered are probably different, what say you? So, women are less sexually active than men, and how do you know? Let me guess: Quran says so, am I right? See, it is very hard to debate with nutcases, they come up with ridiculous “facts” that they invent in their spare time. BTW, you probably are not aware of impotency in men, is it not? I thought so.

      Anyways, you will go trumpeting about the importance of modesty but will brazenly talk of virgins, pearly bottomed boys of heaven as rewards. Why will it be a sin if somebody decides to enjoy in this very life? In any case, unmarried men do not have to remain chaste and patient: They already have effective tools at their disposal viz, polygamy, sex slaves, ghanimah (war booty), etc. to enjoy life to the fullest (ordered by your prophet).

      So, you are definitely not averse to the idea of enjoying in your after-life.

    • Rehan says

      Dear you don’ t have problem if your husband share girls more than one, i really feel you must be shame or you die somewhere,
      because your this thought only millions of girls are are abused, your these thought makes man to do more sin, islam allow a man to keep how many whore he wants,
      really your brain has nicely washed,
      and please open your eyes and see the fact which is mean to me, you are such kind of girls who never want to have freedom, because since chilhood your mind are wahsed nicely, your type girls rtealy shame for the society………
      and i am sure even after death you will not be happy, do not believe any thing blindly,

  59. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    And yeah chapter 2:228 “and the men are a degree above them [women].” This superiority is in the forms of responsibility, like in your house, your dad sits at the edge of the table and acts as a leader,,its in the same way, this verse is referring,,,day to day life :p
    If you read the verse completely, you should have understood because it talks completely upon the rights of a wife over her husband and vice versa. So obviously it would never talk on “intelligence” as you thought :p

    As for 2:282. This is not because women are inferior, but because this responsibility is not very suited to their temperament and general sphere of interests and the environment they are used to. verse shows that women are easy tempted by tears, women are known for their fragility, emotional feelings. So when you should summon for witnesses, follow the verse.

    • SDC says

      Are not women equally responsible? If they are, why should men be a degree above them? And, you accused me of trying to “show women’s inferiority.” What an irony!

      So, in this 21st century, you are implying that women’s responsibilities and spheres of interests are limited, and that women are fragile but men are not. Have you by any chance heard of women like Rani Jhansi, Indira Gandhi, Kiran Bedi, etc.? I sincerely doubt it. Thankfully, sharia law is not admissible in India at least.

  60. Shafinaz says

    @ Rehan: lol..fight for equality..ohhhh cut the crap please !
    hey man when i said about women giving birth etc, i tried to show you the fact that you enjoy sex doesnt mean you reap the same fruits…ohh God Help me !
    you know what, i posted a verse in my previous comment about equality in rewards…just check it out please.

    • SDC says

      What was so fascinating about the crap that you posted? Why only dream of equality in rewards in an unseen, unknown world, why not in opportunities and rights, moron? Why do you dream of a perfect, equitable after-life? Why not strive for equity here and now?

    • Rehan says

      I am sure god will, not help you , i have asked you so many questions but you answer for non of them,you are a big shame, even if your religion allow you to sleep with some one i am sure you say ya lord permitting me to sleep, i reaaly dont want to discuss morer with moron like you………….

  61. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    And the way you pointed out that am disregarding the ability of women, that was a cunning way trying to interprete my example in your own wrong way. .You and I knows it well that I never showed women inferiority in any comments. But on the contrary its been you since long trying to show women’s inferiority. What I said was only an example to show that women has its own capabilities while men has others. They can never be equal I agree, but its not the way you presented it,,as if women are inferior and cannot debate with men bla bla bla. I proved you wrong since am the only girl here debating with 3 boys and this didn’t affect me in the least way.
    And the one about being a woman or an imposter, you can think as you like.

    • SDC says

      So, you are deliberately trying to read evil in my comment on the issue of equality. Why? Was it too hot for you to handle ? Or possibly, I hit the nail on the head: You are an impostor, right. But, on the other hand, you could also be one of those loonies who are incorrigibly indoctrinated.

      In any case, I see a sinister attempt on your part to denigrate the status and role of women. If only you cared to read my comment, you would know I was all the while trying to defend the standing of women in society that you were so zealously trying to relegate to a low-priority status with your trite insinuations.

    • Rehan says

      you first decide yourself , a man and woman are equal or not in the society, its not about how they look physically, i am asking about there role?
      first you confirm this and then procced, please dont say whatever is coming in your mind, be logical. i really feel shame because of girls like you, muslim womans are not able to enjoy there life………..

  62. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    Ohhh…..wow, how you play such moves !
    You know what, you’ve got more to do to get on my nerves,.i don’t lose my temper so easily,. You’ve lost it.. you wanted to criticize that islam considers women as inferior. I was the one to denigrate the female gender???Here it is…
    “Also, why is it that you have to even debate with us because according to Islam, women are half as intelligent as men. So, you will in any case be defeated theoretically.” (your words)
    And when I tried to show you the contrary, you instantly deviate the subject. Read here, I bet u still remember what you wrote.
    “I am trying to prove that Allah views males as superiors to females.”
    When I showed you proof on the contrary, you start putting the blame on me that am the one to disregard women??? Ohh get a grip dude. Or is it that you can’t stand your defeat?
    And I’ll keep on repeating whatever I said earlier because fools like you do not understand simple things straightaway.

    • SDC says

      Darling, do not get unduly worked up. I was simply reminding you of the teachings of your beloved prophet: that women are inferior to men.

      I did not digress, lady. It is you who keep on doing these gymnastics. BTW, you showed nothing substantial. If you think you can get away with a play of words, then I am not the one to let you off the hook.

      Did you mention the word defeat? And you defeated me. When? In your dreams probably. Indeed, self-flattery knows no limits.

      Please do repeat you hackneyed logic. I will put a hole through it every time you dare to come up with it.

  63. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    Ahhhh now I see other questions follow up??? Never mind, one true believer (man or woman) Is enough to defend her/his religion.
    I didn’t quite understand what you meant by” allow polygamy for only one-half of the population”
    Then you want to know the difference between wives and mistress I bet? So you can’t differentiate between these two? I do not know for your religion but in my religion, a relationship outside Nikah is Haraam. And like I told you instead of a discreet haraam relationship, with polygamy it can convert into a lawful relationship.
    Also you’ve been insisting on the fact that who is more sexually active, the scientists have proven this fact, ScienceDaily (Mar. 9, 2010) — At age 55, men can expect another 15 years of sexual activity, but women that age should expect less than 11 years, I can even give you an example..Rape, pedophillis-, ever heard a woman did that to a man?
    Impotency in men,,I don’t know whats that got to do in this discussion??? Or perhaps you are wondering how these men would satisfy their wives? Maybe? And that one also should I explain it to you?
    Like you said its not a sin to enjoy in this life but to the limit. Maybe this life means enjoyment to you, that’s what your religion taught you, that’s your belief. But my religion taught me that this life is a test, which all the answers I’ve been given, I only have to follow the orders and pleases my Lord. if I pass this test, I will be rewarded jannah.
    You are just finding excuses to ignore the fact, you want proofs and when it is shown to you, you start avoiding it..
    “ Unmarried men do not have to remain chaste and patient: They already have effective tools at their disposal viz, polygamy, sex slaves, ghanimah (war booty), etc. to enjoy life to the fullest (ordered by your prophet). “
    I want proofs boy so that I can show you the contrary.
    This conversation is getting us nowhere, you’re are just avoiding the truth because you don’t know your facts..huhh how pathetic

    • SDC says

      By one-half of the population, I was referring to the men who are allowed to practice polygamy.

      Aw, you are so innocent. You probably have never heard of sex slaves that your prophet was so fond of. In fact, he had an inflated harem full of them. BTW, I asked you to explain the “difference between your husband having more wives (besides you of course) and him having extramarital affairs with other women.” Your comprehensive abilities are in serious doubt.

      The best solution to that problem would be simple: The husband needs to be at least 4 years older than the wife. That is it. You do not need to marry again at the age of 55, do you? What do you suggest? Females cannot rape males because penetration is a factor. Also, males tend to be a bit more physically stronger than females. Try to be a bit more comprehensible; I did not understand the last part.

      I am disgusted with you and your eccentric beliefs. What proofs are you talking of? Elucidate.

      And what proofs do you need?

      It is definitely getting us somewhere: I am able to drive home my point: Islam is a toxic philosophy. It destabilizes the minds of its followers.

  64. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    Fight for equity? I do not have to, in fact I never got any chance to complain that islam is discriminating between the genders. Like you thought in these verses my Lord were showing that women are inferior, I showed you that the meaning was something else.
    I dream of a perfect after-life because am sure about it. My Lord has showed me great signs which I see happening now, and you want me to reject message?
    My lord showed me in the qur’an the formation of a foetus in the mothers womb, and now science prove it with “new researches”, and you think I believe in the message blindly?
    He Who has created all things in the best possible way. He commenced the creation of man from clay; then He made his progeny from an extract of discarded fluid. (Qur’an, 32:7-8)
    “We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance).( 23:12-14) and still you do not believe. Then I must say you are bloody arrogant
    My Lord showed me how the night turns dark, how the sun runs on its orbit and you said I believe blindly? (36:37,38)
    My Lord informed me long ago of many things which now science proves the same, and you still want me not to believe?
    Its you who are blind folded, and you do not want to hear about the the truth, you ignore everything which proves you wrong in the end. Look SDC or whatever your name, I never criticized your religion the way you did to my religion. I would appreciate if you mind your words, it may be crap to you but it’s the most precious to me and I bet you wouldn’t like it if I criticize yours. The same way you should learn to respect my religion the way I respect yours.

    • SDC says

      Look at the context in which I said that. You pointed out to me that your Allah guarantees you equality in the enjoyment of pleasures of heaven. You showed nothing except more gibberish. Please enlighten me on the “great signs.”

      You will need to acquaint yourself with Hippocratic, Aristotelian and Galenic embryology. You will also be glad to know that even ancient Indians knew a lot of rudimentary embryology. There are articles in the net refuting this claim. BTW, how much of embryology do you understand?

      The most important point is why were the muslims still riding on camels, living as nomads in Muhammad’s time. Your Allah could have directly passed on the scientific knowledge for the betterment of the nomadic Arabs and made their lives prosperous and comfortable. But, alas! He chose the infidels to be granted this knowledge. Why did Allah do this?

      Truth! What truth are you talking of?. You did not criticize but there are others who do. And, you do not respect my religion for the simple reason that you believe in the concept of dawah.

  65. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    Ohhh now I showed nothing substancial? Hey I must appreciate your guts. you know what, you are bent on discussing on things which you pretend you do not give a damn. Lol tell you what, when you believe that a religion is based on false beliefs and all, then why do you care discussing about it? or is it that deep in you you recognize the truth but your arrogance wouldn’t let you accept it?
    Cause as far as am concerned, when somebody have disgust for something, he keeps a mile distant from it. That’s y I wonder how you seem to have so much references about the quranic verses. Or is it that to prove us wrong in every way possible?
    Talking about defeat, yes it was a victory for me to show you how wrong you were about my beloved Prophet. But if you didn’t take it as a defeat, well good for you. You see it as hackneyed logic??? Loll then you do you insist in discussing these topics with me? If you do not believe in any of my words, you should leave the discussion. If you see my logics as “hackneyed”, then you should have long ago left this conversation..but to my surprise you see to appreciate it. And what about the verses on equality in rewards? I didn’t notice your comments about it?

    • SDC says

      I did not want to extend this meaningless tirade but for your bullheadedness. Well, as I might have told you there is nothing in Quran that is worthy of emulation in as far as I am concerned.

      Mindless verbiage apart, I did respond to your “verses on equality in rewards.” I think it is time now for a visit to the eye doctor, darling. Or, maybe, you deliberately ignored it. LOL.

  66. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    Do not change the topic, I asked you about proofs and you seems to repeat the same question? Show me proofs about sex slaves etc. I know damn well about sex slaves and all but I want you to show me the exact wording of the ahadith cause who knows where you can change its exact meaning.
    Again I ask you to mind your language, don’t start something which you’ll regret later when I start searching faults. And just because you point out one or two verses of the Quran made you think that you know all of the message? Get a life, you are only running from the truth. When I clear things for you, you search for other reasons to prove me wrong. Hats off to you.

    Islam allows polygamy to reduce adultery, but far from eradicating it completely, but it surely helps in reduces it. logic behind is if after his first nikah he is temted by another beauty, islam allows for a second marriage, due to this act, he is saved from sins
    Secondly the population of women is greater than men.
    Thirdly to increase the population, he marries up to 4 women and can have children with each.
    Fourthly like as said men more sexually active and he can satisfy him with other wives if one of his wife cannot pleases him due to health problems.
    Fifthly if his wife cannot bear children, he still has the chances with other nikah.

    Well now you’ll see this one as “hackneyed” logic, but nothing can be expected from you, your objective is to prove me wrong which will never succeed.
    Like you said islam destabilizes the mind of the follower, loll did I heard right?you claimed yourself to be a follower or I heard it wrong? A true muslim will never say such a phrase, so do not bother about the followers of islam ok? Loll yes maybe you are right about my comprehensive abilities, but then I must say you are a real genius to ask a person of low intelligence to clear things for you.
    Wow so you live in India? I read an article about its overpopulation, illiteracy, poverty, unemployment in addition to nepotism, corruption, caste system, religion, regionalism and irresponsible citizens, so I guess its obvious when they can’t handle their own country, how can the handle the laws of my Lord.
    And don’t mess SDC, don’t talk about shariah. I read many articles on india and its inhabitants, do not put words in my mouth.

    • SDC says

      Okay, here they are: Sura 4:24, Sura 23:5-6, Sura 33:50–52, Sura 70:30, etc.

      Also, these hadiths: Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 718, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 459, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 506, etc.

      You are probably inspired by the woman in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ek3xKKnKvQ

      Well, if you do find out faults, I will be gracious enough to acknowledge them and try to rectify them in my personal capacity and not gloss over them or brush them under the carpet. BTW, your explanations on the questions raised are not satisfactory. Will leave the rest to the discretion of the reader.

      Then, why do you need to stone to death female adulterers? Why Allah failed to find a peaceful solution for them?

      Here comes another oft-repeated Islamic factoid: The population of women is greater than that of men.

      When population explosion is already putting enormous strain on the already existing infrastructure, you will go on to further aggravate the situation.

      Factoid #2: Men are more sexually active. Also, what happens when a man falls ill and is unable to sexually satisfy his wife? Does the wife have the liberty to seek the services of other men?

      What if a man is sterile? Can his wife engage the services of virile men to bear children?

      Yes, India is plagued with various problems, and we are happy about it. BTW, which country do you belong to? I would like to know more about the education system of that country that produces incorrigible fools.

    • SDC says

      One minor correction: Yes, India is plagued with various problems, and we are not happy about it.

  67. Shafinaz says

    @ Rehan
    Ohhh..so you mean that I should have a problem in sharing my husband with lawful girls(in marriage)? And what do you think of those relationships where a husband commits adultery. I presume from your opinions that’s ok to have sex with other girls but it is a “shame” to share a husband with co-wives?
    Ohhh that’s really fantastic..you know what you can shove it off !
    Why do you so worry about my freedom??? You don’t have to, ok? Ohhh how am touched to see people like you worry about girl’s freedom. Rare species hun.
    Talking about believing blindly, then let me ask you something…do you see air? But yet you believe its around you..then how would you explain this to me. You do not feel nor see it but you believe its here?
    And yeah, I didn’t answer your questions because I already repeated them somewhere in my comments. Ohhh perhaps its because you do not know how to read between lines..ohh so sorry, can’t help you !

    • SDC says

      By lawful, you obviously mean legitimized by Quran. Quran also legitimizes sexual slavery. Will you allow your husband to have sex slaves?

      Why will a man commit adultery when he can marry more than once and buy sex slaves? In fact, the ceiling on 4 marriages is rendered ineffective with the provision of easy divorce: triple talaq.

      BTW, Rehan is definitely a rare species. He has got the stomach to digest the truth: Islam is a dehumanizing and toxic philosophy.

      Fools do drag you down to their level. I at least do feel the presence of air. Now, do not tell me that you feel the presence of Allah.

  68. Shafinaz says

    ohhhh please, you don’t have to come in between the conversations and give your point of views everytime. it was between me and Rehan. how can you be so mean. yes i do feel the presence of Allah in His Creatures, infact every believer feels His presence. i bet that one was new for you.

    • SDC says

      Why not? This is an open forum and everyone has the right to air his views and opinions.

      Take a bow! We have a mystic amongst us. BTW, how does it feel like?

    • Rehan says

      darling, you can feel presence of Allah in His Creatures,
      i just want to correct your line here say you can feel the presensce of god in every creature,

      please learn to accept fact, got will never want to have partiality among Men and women, but hope someday you will open your eyes…..

  69. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    I showed nothing except gibberish..ohhh please! What did you expect I would show you?. Lol I just can’t digest that, you find my logic insensible and now my proofs as nonsense. Your confusing yourself in search of greater explanations and greater proofs. its damn true about what I said earlier, you know islam is the true call, but you want to prove yourself wrong.
    First it was question about equality in men and women,
    then in rewards,
    then about women inferior to women, t
    hen finding faults in polygamy,
    then pointing out your opinions that islam prevents from enjoying life,
    and at the same time question me about my belief in after-life
    GET A GRIP LOL

    Loll now you want to know about muslim riding camel…then after answering that one, you’ll follow up with another rubbish one that why we drive cars, HE could have given us wings to move easily. Then why the apple is red and not blue,
    Then why did Allah do this and that, why this and that, why the Prophet said this and that.
    Yeah you’re right, I need an optician. And you should visit the mental asylum maybe.
    And yeah I do not criticize, but I show proofs. you have to knock other doors to hear criticism.
    And when did I say that I do not respect your religion? On the contrary I was the one who never badmouth about your religion bozo LOL. Hang loose and stay cool LOL.. Oh dear, I pray for your peace of mind.
    You did not want to extend this meaningless tirade but for my bullheadedness. But it seems so opposite to me.

    Hear me now, its useless to answer your questions when they are not meeting your so called expectations. Like you want clarifications but do not pay attention to proofs..strange ! what a pain in the neck !
    “There is nothing in Quran that is worthy of emulation in as far as I am concerned.”
    Then you should not trouble yourself with issues in the Qu’ran..why do you bother to ask for clarifications? Loll..you are a bit of a mystery, no I correct, COMPLETELY. Mentally retarded is the most appropriate one.

    • SDC says

      And, lo and behold, more gibberish! Well, I am at least not a pervert. so, you do not need to draw unnecessary inferences.

      Your tactic is really simple: Being deliberately verbose to obfuscate the issues discussed as you have no plausible answers for the questions raised. BTW, apples are not always red, they are sometimes green as well in case the Quran does not contain this scientific truth.

      Don’t worry, darling. I will definitely pay you a courtesy visit while you cool your heels in the mental asylum.

      You see you will have to do better than those invented facts. Well, as for my religious beliefs, I am more than willing to face criticism.

      When people like you come to forums such as this and try to do dawah, then it is my concern to see them sent packing.

      Baby, I may be mentally retarded (at least, I will understand something) but you are gone case.

  70. Shafinaz says

    loll you still want an explanation for these verses, gona try to give you a detailed explanation, i might even consult the encyclopedia if the need arises as mr genius sees my logics as nonsense.

  71. Maria Muslimah says

    1– A man can marry with more than one (maximum 4) women. (Qur’an 4:3).
    2– For a man it’s neither obligatory nor prohibited to marry more than one.
    3– If someone want he can, no one can restrict him.
    4– And if someone doesn’t wanna marry more than one , no one can force him.
    5– So marring with more than one women is a choice.
    6– If someone wanna marry with more than one, he should be just with all (Qur’an 4:129).
    7– If he can’t be just then he should marry with only one. (Qur’an 4:3)
    So what is wrong with Non-Muslims?

    • SDC says

      The problem is with muslims themselves. They should not pontificate us on matters of modesty.

  72. Shafinaz says

    @ Shafinaz
    I really appreciated the way you defending the true religion but somewhere I find that you cannot give the opponent a befitting reply.

    First of all you should never have put yourself in this trouble, trying to sort out their doubts, after all this message are not to be delivered to hypocrites.
    What the point in explaining things to assholes when in the end they are showing their disagreements (all pretense). No wonder their country are in great development with these narrow-minded inhabitants. You got that one damn right “when they cannot handle their own country, how do you expect them to handle (understand) the laws of the shariah”

    When you have spare time, you read their questions once again and you will see all the mix up they come with, shucks. Their comments only served to confuse the issue further.

    Also do not disclose your identity or nationality, please, you cannot expect anything from these perverts.
    They are like mere fire crackers which explodes into loud noise but inside burn itself into ashes.
    Do not give further explanations on new verses brought up; they will ultimately find other excuses and faults. Besides, you already know their aim.

    When shaitan[devil] was expelled from Jannah[Heaven], he challenged Allah[swt]. shaitan said “I swear by Your Honor, I swear by You, Allah. I will misguide each & everyone of them as long as they have a spirit within their bodies, this will be my duty & this will be what I want to do” Allah responded “& I swear by My OWN Honor that I will continue FORGIVING them, as long as they have repentance.”

  73. Noor says

    @ SDC

    Commenting upon the video you gave link – many videos on the net which invents false information only to deceive or upset the viewers. Now if you still think that this video is not a fabricated one, then the characters in this video surely does not conform with the true teachings of islam.

    BTW your ways are indeed cunning, discussing on issues of controversies to prove yourself right. You will fall flat on your face each time you try to misguide a believer.
    What a pity, we have come to know about your sadistic and barbaric nature. But then what can be expected from the citizens of India; that’s their true nature. A piece of advice, its either accepted or rejected- you should try to solve the embarrassing situations in your country rather than pointing out baseless faults and accusations on islam. That’s not your cup tea,

    • SDC says

      Baby Noor, this is what I actually am doing. I am trying to rid my country of the menace of Islam.

  74. Javed says

    i do not understand dear muslim brothers and sisters, when you know that other religion beside Islam is fake, better not indulge in their arguments.. le chien aboie, la caravan passe…those who can understand its better hehehe

  75. Shafinaz says

    @ SDC
    lol, fools do say stupid things to have their own way. its clear that you know nothing about ‘shared/open’ accounts?1! loll those types of accounts where only registered users have access to it-many users occupying an account.

  76. Noor says

    @ SDC
    you can try your best to get rid of whatever you want, but you wont be able to remove islam in the heart of the muslim big Daddy.

  77. Noor says

    @ shafinaz
    i know about these types of accounts, used to share files and videos..
    and do not worry about his words, thats plain chatter. he’s been like a real pest. this is the point at which he has to meet his waterloo..but he just does not show any sighs of despair, as expected.

    • Rehan says

      can you please tell me if you were not be muslim or you were be from any other religion, then also coukd you keep the same point of view for islam
      y al d terrorist in the world are follower of islam, are they not muslims,
      reply with logic

  78. Javed says

    @ Noor
    he is not at fault poor daddy, he’s trying to get rid of islam in his dreams LOL, you should not dissapoint him. you should respect the views and opinions of elders LOL

    • Rehan says

      can you please tell me if you were not be muslim or you were be from any other religion, then also coukd you keep the same point of view for islam
      y al d terrorist in the world are follower of islam, are they not muslims,
      reply with logic

      i need your point of view and ya, while answering keep humanity also in your mind,
      islam says evn a single inosnce should not die
      but due to islam countless inosence had lost thier life, how do you see this fact?

  79. angel says

    hello guysss…thats cool the way you giving them a dose of their own medicine.
    some people sees themselves as strong enough to bring down islam…totally pathetic.
    Live Islam.

    • Rehan says

      can you please tell me if you were not be muslim or you were be from any other religion, then also coukd you keep the same point of view for islam
      y al d terrorist in the world are follower of islam, are they not muslims,

  80. Javed says

    Hey shafinaz, I can lay a bet, if you continue giving answers to old daddy, he gonna ask you why Allah didn’t mention the name of all the fruits in the qur’an which grows on earth, all the animals, the dangerous and the docile one,,in that case, the revelation of the qur’an would never have come to an. Hey he does all possible ways to talk his nonsense. What is his age? 70?

  81. Javed says

    @ SDC
    Heyy Daddy, its time to take a big dodo (and get the hell out of here).
    LOL how come you know so well about lice? Ooouupss I forgot, India of course LOL.

    • Ankur says

      @Javed,
      Hell exists only as per Quran… not as per veda.so it may be someone of the believers will have to get to the “HELL” Out of this “WORLD” :)

  82. Ankur says

    @Angel/Javed/Noor,
    now that we have stalwarts of ISLAM and staunch defenders of logical QURAN in the arena, i just hope that someone will calarify one of the many contradiction i found in quran, so that we may move on to the next.

    N.B Please do go thought the discourse between a myself and a muslim friend(s) so that i do not have to encounter the same strawman arguements ..

    started here
    http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21082

    then went on here

    http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21124

    and the discussion met a dead end here when the individual defending ISLAM and QURAN stopped responding (dont know why) though she/he continued responding to SDC

    http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21380

  83. SDC says

    Ten-hut!! Officer Big Daddy on deck. Big Daddy is here to stay and set the rules, naughty babies. BTW, Big daddy beats the shit out of insolent scums. Try me, poor souls. Also, this is an infidel domain, you need to take your sorry ass out of here, half-wit.

    And where are you from? The lands where they use odd number of stones to wipe their stinking behinds, huh.

  84. Javed says

    @ Ankur
    yes of course, who gonna put you in Hell after all? your Bhagwan? when he himself is produced by human beings, so you can’t expect him to build hell. Huhhuh…in fact am a bit confused, who is the creates whom after all…???

    • Prithvi says

      fow can allah keeeps attention on earth as he himself busy in running prostitution in his brothel paradise full of nude virgins where ur prophet is enjoying unlimited sex

      • Abhi says

        Dude open your eyes if today terrotrism exist then it is just because islam i do agree with brother rehan, you peoples mind has washed nicely and defintely rehan is a differetn species………..

    • Ankur says

      @Javed
      this kind of conversation does not interest me.. lets get serious, can you explain why Allah’s verbatim Quran contradictis itself at 2:136 and 5:51, so that you are not to your usual illogical al-taqqia check this before responding and the earlier muslim frnd just eloped without a trace when i insisted.(can go throug that trail as well)

      http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21124

  85. Javed says

    @ SDC
    all these filthy conception and ideas of yours will only give you good sleep at night, so i will not discourage you old man. take good care of yourself huhhh..and like we adviced you to take care of your country first my dear.,

  86. abhi says

    Dude open your eyes if today terrotrism exist then it is just because islam i do agree with brother rehan, you peoples mind has washed nicely and defintely rehan is a differetn species………..

  87. Javed says

    hahaha…when you cannot answer a simple question, then you turn the page to terrorism???
    foolsss you are indeed. then you admit the fact that you produce your own Gods??? wahahahaha..IDIOTS
    and in your hindi film they say “i challenge you Ram, i will prove you wrong” , “i swear that i will never worship you if you marry me with this man”

    huhhh bloody idiots, challenging your own God, criticizing him and what did you expect other religion to do??? worship the one which you reject???hahahahaha… when you yourself can’t give respect to your God, do not explain things to us..you should try to zip it up,,or you’ll find others put you in your right places.

    • Aryan says

      @Javed – If you are so wise than go shout Allah hu akbar and blow yourself up. Jihadi pricks!

    • abhi says

      Dude, till now you have not asked me, any simple question, like this you are just trying to ignore my question, any way still your eyes are close, hope to see it open someday

      they worship him , so they talk to them
      even if i say i challenge oh allah, i’ll prove you wrong thjen what is wroong in this,

      ohh god please save this world from such morons, and undeveloped brains……

      hello if islam could be a real religion the your allah could have stopped terrorism long back,

      but this is not your problem , still i believe your mind has washed nicely, but please try to accept the truth……….

  88. Javed says

    @ Aryan :
    what made you think that am afraid to say ‘Allahu Akbar’?

    i do not have to take permission to do so..in fact on every thing i do at work or anywhere i say Allahu Akbar.
    hahaha infact you shall be shocked with whatever am going to tell you, even other religions here says Allahu Akbar and Ameen.
    only fools like you do not understand the message..

  89. Angel says

    The report of the ‘Committee of The Status of Woman in Islam’, published in 1975 mentions on page numbers 66 and 67 that the percentage of polygamous marriages between the years 1951 and 1961 was 5.06% among the Hindus and only 4.31% among the Muslims. According to Indian law only Muslim men are permitted to have more than one wife. It is illegal for any non-Muslim in India to have more than one wife. Despite it being illegal, Hindus have more multiple wives as compared to Muslims. Earlier, there was no restriction even on Hindu men with respect to the number of wives allowed. It was only in 1954, when the Hindu Marriage Act was passed that it became illegal for a Hindu to have more than one wife. At present it is the Indian Law that restricts a Hindu man from having more than one wife and not the Hindu scriptures.

    • SDC says

      At least, Hindu women has the right to to take recourse to legal remedies. Also, we have made progress but you still seem to be stuck somewhere in the middle ages.

  90. Angel says

    How can polygamy be practiced in india when the male population is greater than female population contrary to other countries. do you know the reason why?
    because female foetuses are aborted every year in this country. Perhaps you do not even know the happenings in your own country. so this practice is ok for you guys i guess?

    • Muslim says

      i request all muslims that please do not indulge in any debate with these aryasamajis if u see them abusing Allah or prophet Muhammad s.a.w.

      yeh log kisi ko bhi gali de saktein hain to Allah aur rasool ko agar koi gaali de to bardasht nahi karna chahiye, chunki yeh log internet par hain isliye humein hi yahan se chale jana chahiyye. yeh apas mein hi debate kar kar k bor ho jayeinge. aap note kar sakte ho ki jis article mein bhi musalmano ne comment nahi kiya wahan comment kitne kum hain.

      is website par ban k liye poori koshish karein aur sathyarth prakash ka 14 samhullas parhein aur muslim area mein distribute karein taki agniveer k naam se kahin bhi koi activity ho to uska virodh bahut zabardast ho.
      jahan bhi arya samaji milein unse poochein ki woh kiyun Allah aur rasool ko galiyan baktein hain?

      inke khilaaf poore India mein muhim shuru karni hai.

      par yahan comment na karein kahin gunehgaar na ho jayein? Ramzan ka khayal karein aur galiyun se door rahein use parhein bhi maat.

      yahan aakar negative feelings aatein hain to ramzan mein is tarah ki websites se door reh kar quran k positive mahol mein rahein.

      jitni deir yahan comment kareinge utni deir quran parhein ya kisi non-muslim ko islam k barein mein kuch bata dein.
      shukriya

      • abhi says

        bhai tu bhi gita padh ho sakta hai , teri aankhein khul jaye

        and ya please non-muslim ko yeh sab mat sunana, aur gali sunoge…..

    • Ankur says

      @Angel : did you even read the article before you started your rheotric and conclusion that hindu scripture (veda) supports polygamy ? , tipical indoctrinated behaviour, so pathetic.

    • SDC says

      Fine. If you could be kind enough to enlighten us about the male-female ratio of Islamic countries.

  91. Ankur says

    @All Dharmic people/visitors,
    Request you to go through agniveer website articles thoroughly and then engage the Malecchas ; we can clearly seen the TERRORIST and TOTALITARIAN mentatlity of these people by reading the comment of this puny headed creation here( and this is what all free and logical people must discourage and engage )

    http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22103

  92. Javed says

    hahahaha,,,just hear that..poor fellows out here…you are not aware of all these situations in your own country, but they see “faults” in our religion hahaha. at least women in islam knows their position, where they stand, not like you who shows women to treat their own husband as God. well what can be expected more when you treat every thing, even rocks as God,..huhhh…in fact we are far better, unlike your gods who’ve got several wives, huhhh,,he was very romantic hummm to have so many wives..
    Islam is too much powerful,. Muslims lives in every corner of this world. Ending islam is not your cup of tea as Allah already challenged all those before you that He gonna preserve this religion.

  93. Angel says

    @ Javed
    LoL…heyy they do not understand simple straight things damn it…even animals do understand repeated things,
    hats of to the educational system in india, can really produce these species LOL,,,i’ve talked with many people around the world but never found beast like these…
    Poor chap, when they can’t understand something in the Qur’an, they better not inquire to know more because due to their lack of intelligence, they going to have further problems in understanding. They should try to drink milk with almonds, it can help them in great ways !
    and our patience do have a limit poor souls, we can’t waste any longer time with brats trying to make them understand in the simplest way possible.
    By the way that was a clear view of the citizens of India,indeed the newspapers revealed everything true, i used to think otherwise..

    • muslim says

      @maria, i agree with u but it is not real face of india. indians are intelligent but these aryasamajis are real duffers because they are follower of moolshankar and satyarthprakash. you just read samhullas 14 of satyarth prakash and see the mental level of the great Hindu reformer.

      it is better for a muslim to stay away from these sites because in the absence of any muslim’s reply these aryasamjis feel very bore and they themselves abstain from commenting here. it is we ‘muslims’ who are giving high popularity and interest to agniveer.com.

      just stop commenting here.

    • abhi says

      @angels
      thank you for condidering us a different species, becauge we are not fool like your ancestor to believe anything blindly , we do need a logic to believe any thing, and believe me darling as i study about islam i found it logic less, anyway you be happy with that, because we indian do not find mistake but try to see logic and fact, but a moron like you will definately not understand, this anyway you were talking about milk, so for your kind information every day i drink 2.5 litre milk, i think you need to improve your mind capabilty, every 3rd person in NASA is an Indian, so i dont think i needto show my intelligence to any one ,
      bye and god bless you..

    • abhi says

      @angel
      heyy they do not understand simple straight things damn it…even animals do understand repeated things,

      ya, but we are not an animal like you people we need a solid reason to believe any thing, we are not fool like your ancestor,

      hats of to the educational system in india, can really produce these species LOL,,,i’ve talked with many people around the world but never found beast like these…

      Every 3rd person in nasa is an indian,but moron like you wiill not understand this,
      you eat meat and we are beast what a joke darling, you first wash your mouth

      Poor chap, when they can’t understand something in the Qur’an, they better not inquire to know more because due to their lack of intelligence, they going to have further problems in understanding. They should try to drink milk with almonds, it can help them in great ways !

      there is nothing logical about it, we are not fool to believe anything blindly like you ,ya we will have problem if any religion teaches to to killone o=another and splits terrorism to the world, i use to drink 2 litre milkn everyday, you also start it will definately help you

      believe me your mind has washed like this that you are not in position to think anything so get lost from here

  94. Javed says

    @ Abhi
    Terrorism is not islam.
    other religions mixed with different cultures pretend to be islam.
    Islam indeed approve Jihaad, but only when YOUR LIFE OR RELIGION IS IN DANGER.
    Please do comprehend it.

    • abhi says

      @javed
      i really appreciate it, but do you realyy want to say the people who are dieng for jihad as a terrorist they are not muslims

  95. Javed says

    @ Angel
    LOL…dear sis of faith, how the fast going on?
    yeah hats off to their intelligence, but thats what their worth…
    you should not have put yourself in this pit,
    i suggest you leave this page, leave these poor monkeys, they are not fully conversant to their own surroundings and to their own scriptures and want to show us things,,they are pathetic.

  96. Javed says

    they have different Gods., the one they prefer the most is kept in the house, the other outside,
    lo and behold, they even marry their Gods WOW.
    they fight their Gods, they challenge it.
    Poor cow is their God, and other religion kill it and consume its flesh, poor you, you can’t even save your “GOD”
    to hell with you and your filthy conceptions.
    Go to hell.
    and i guess its the end of our conversations, i’ve got more precious things to do with other non muslims in my countries, how they reverting to islam, you should see you fools.
    can’t waste my time with idiots of India.
    See you in the Here-after, when i shall wave a hand at you all from paradise seeing you all burning into ashes in Hell.
    by the way you shall burn here itself by your own beloved relatives when you die,,hahahaha
    Bye you fools.

  97. angel says

    @ SDC
    talking about rights of women in islam, then what do you have to say about this: Rig Veda, Book 8. HYMN XXXIII. Verse 17. Saci Paulomi.
    —Indra himself hath said, The mind of woman brooks not discipline, Her intellect hath little weight.
    huhhh trying to demean women in islam when the fact is that in your religion they di not value women.
    you wanted to prove women inferiority compared to men intellectual capacity, here, in your own books its written, black on white..huhhh, throwing stones at others when your own house is of glass. At least in my book theres nothing as such.
    and do not care to waste energy in replying because i wont be coming here again to read all your nonsense. i can see how your religion on the verge of extinction with followers like you all.

    • Truth Seeker says

      @angel
      Do you know ABC of these Mantras which you are mentioning. I know the Mantra very well and daily recite them. Befor throwing you nonsense stuff do some study. Do not act like gullible man.

    • SDC says

      The fact of the matter is I am not an expert in Sanskrit. I have to rely on English translations. Now, if indeed there is such a verse that demeans the status of women, I condemn it. Would you be courageous and sagacious enough to denounce the Quranic verses that speak ill of women? You can choose to stay in an eternal state of denial if you so choose. In any case, I am not here to indulge in a “my d**k is bigger than your d**k” contest. It is just that I am fully convinced that Islam is definitely not the perfect guide for humanity as claimed by some fanatics.

  98. angel says

    @ muslim
    yeah you are right dear, they are dumb ! weird like their bloody scriptures.

    • Ankur says

      @Angel/muslim,
      Talking about weird,illogical lets read the below Allah’ words

      …And say forgiveness; and we will pardon you your sins, give an increase to the doers of good.” (2:58)
      –Does not this Divine teaching encourage people to live sinful lives? Why should one fear sin when he is given the promise of redemption? He that gives such a promise cannot be God, nor can a book that inculcates such a doctrine be the Word of God. God can never do injustice, but if He pardons the sinners, He renders Himself unjust.

      Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael – then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.(2:98)

      — What kind of GOD has Enemies,after all he is the creator of all and everthing ; so much for a logical scripture..

      Neither those who disbelieve from the People of the Scripture nor the polytheists wish that any good should be sent down to you from your Lord. But Allah selects for His mercy whom He wills, and Allah is the possessor of great bounty.(2:105)

      –Allah show His special mercy to those who do/do not deserve it? If He does, He works great mischief, for all men will become indifferent to the practice of virtue. No one will then lead a virtuous life and hate sin, since His mercy depends upon His (arbitrary) will and not upon one’s deeds.
      So much for a non weird God and his logic & justness, amazing

      i just remembered of Quran 2:136 and Quran 5:51 for their amazing contradiction, i think Allah may have changed his mind…

      for your aid and understanding
      http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21124

      • Ankur says

        @Noor: Now that they are gone. and you are here why dont you enlighten us with your spellbound logic(moon breaking with a finger logic 54: 1)

        and why are referring yourself as a rock venerator, i understand kissing the black stone at mecca is not someting that you can help , but god almighty will forgive you for that..
        besides you i dont see anyone on this forum who venerates rocks as we believe in the Veda, which teaches that is only one god and he does not need any messenger.

        Taking your logic of numbers to prover Islam is better :) : did you know that there were 24 Billion chickens in the world(in 2003)
        and in 2012 there are about 2 billion Muslims in the world, so you see the “chicken religion is growing faster” and is better than Islam

        • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

          @Ankur

          “did you know that there were 24 Billion chickens in the world(in 2003)”.
          Re:
          We are talking about religion not the growth rate of chickens. It’s like we are talking about weather and You are talking about food.

          “chicken religion is growing faster” and is better than Islam”.
          Re:
          Chickens have no faith. How quizzically you compared the growth rate of chickens with Islam.

          • Ankur says

            @Maria (IslamicDefence): Islam as you would belive is a way a life , and chickens also have “only” one way of life so all chickens fall under that category , the whole point is ,taking the growth rate and numbers of Muslims in the world as a factor to prove that Islam is the truth is as pathetic and foolish as the “chicken analogy” that i have given.

          • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

            @Ankur

            Sorry your “chicken analogy” is unsuitable. Why? Because one should look at the reasons that “why the growth rate of something is increases or decreases”?
            Definitely there’d be some reasons for that.
            So, To know why the growth rate of chickens or Islamic population increases? You would have to look at the reasons. These are two different things , their reasons can never be same brother!

            Your words;
            “As your name suffix says you are here for Islam’s defence , so it really should not matter whethere i am an atheist, agnostic or vedic or a follower of any other ideology “.
            Re;
            It should matter brother! when someone is talking about my Qur’an I’ll see he/she is bias or not – I’ll see my religion is getting a raw deal or not.

          • Ankur says

            @Maria (IslamicDefence): if the believers of any ideology can believe in a finite action can result into a infinite result, then in that case the believers Mentality can be compared to that of a chicken as both of them are devoid of any critical thought(chicken by the nature of their birth) and the Muslim by the choice believing in a logically fallacy.
            so in this case the Chicken Analogy holds good on the ground of the facts stated above.

            Moreover you have already assumed i have a bias and did not respond to the logically fallacy of hell and heaven which supposedly as per you is a “Bias”

          • Ankur says

            @Maria (IslamicDefence): well lets not drag the chicken Analogy further,why don’t your try to defend Islam logically on the issues that i have raised for the Quranic verses, after we are done maybe then we can decide on the right Analogy(if need be)

          • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

            Here is pain to reply & to see the full reply. So please scroll down the page & then at the bottom u can see my post in response to your post thanks.

        • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

          @Ankur

          Your words:
          “as we believe in the Veda, which teaches that is only one god and he does not need any messenger.”
          Re:
          So you’re not an Agnostic but believe in Veda.
          You say every philosophy of Islam should be proved without quoting from Qur’an. You talk about Quran-Muhammad & Muhammad-Qur’an circle.
          So let me ask you a question;
          Can a Vedic person prove every philosophy (Concept of hell, paradise, blah blah…) of Veda without quoting from Veda?

          And I think it’s not possible. So Y you believe in Veda ,when you wanna proof without quoting from religious book?
          But still you believe in Veda – Bias confirmation – Islam is getting a raw deal by you.

          • Ankur says

            @Maria (IslamicDefence)
            As your name suffix says you are here for Islam’s defence , so it really should not matter whethere i am an atheist, agnostic or vedic or a follower of any other ideology

            I did not mean what you have understood by the point i put forward ,i meant that the quran should not be taken as to be true before hand when we are trying to prove the authenticity of the Quran itself, there is a Huge difference between what you have understood and what i have suggested.

            There is no heaven or Hell as per veda, besides a scripture should not force any one to “believe” in things that can’t be logically substansiated or backed(like the concept of “eternal” Hell or heaven as a pushishemnt/reward for a “finite” lifetime, why would a finite action result in infine result? ) you see there exists a logical contradiction in the concept of Islamic afterlife, which is the backbone of Islam, and i did not have to Quote any scripture to do this besides i have never quoted from the veda.

            Anything is impossible only as long as one does not know how to do the thing considered impossible.

  99. abhi says

    moron wake up?
    and try to see logic, spread love behave like a man with others……

  100. Noor says

    they are all gone, can’t hear shits coming out from your mouths,,so stop barking like crazy dogs.

    • abhi says

      y may they feared like other terrorist and run back to there cave , islam teaces this to them, wonderfull darling whta else can be accepted from you people.

  101. Noor says

    Indeed you all understand everything upside down LOL, never come across to such people, what do you all have for breakfast??? well this message is not for you guys, you don’t have intelligence, so how you expect to see logic? keep venerating rocks, theres great logic in that…fools!!!

    • abhi says

      well this morning i had aalloo parata, thanks to ask
      hopefully may be you had some inncocent creature in your breakfast so, lovely,
      are you a beast or what????
      actually we are not running with lack of intelligence but its you who are unable to make your word clear, well our Veda always speak to forgive others, so have a gud luk.

  102. Noor says

    By the way a small research can help you, just click on three major religions in terms of adherents and see where your place stands,, hinduism comes after islam,,,hinduism stands 4th or 5th position..
    among the three major religions are Islam, Christianity and judaism,, you have enough sense to understand that.
    you are not at fault because you’ve never looked outside the window,,you sensible fools thinks india is the only country where hinduism prevails,,,huhhhh..indeed what can be expected from idiots..islam has taken every corner of the world with its followers,,poor you dreaming with open eyes,,its often good, but it can prove disastrous when these dreams (eradicating islam) shatter..try to help the poor and needy of your own country, people dying of poverty and hunger, discrimination and so on…huhhh! Useless idiots, that is why the country is in a such state,.

    • SDC says

      If only you would let me know the country you hail from then I could extoll the virtues of your country and countrymen as well.

      The bubble of Islam will burst in the same fashion as the bubble of crony capitalism did.

    • abhi says

      so the time islam started, it became world maojor religion, what rubbish are you talking darling.
      ok then non of the religion other than islam have terrorist in all major religiongs, open your eyes and she the reality,
      but i cant accept this with a moron like you

    • hinduagnostic says

      judaism is small because they were killed hinduism is 3rd largest and is growing everybody knows how islam grew same with christianity

  103. hinduagnostic says

    i understand but i have a question why were king allowed to have many wives?

    • Ankur says

      @hinduagnostic : Kings were having multiple wives because they wanted to .. but at the same time their having multiple wives by NO MEANS sets standards , it is against the veda and hence is “adharm”, if kings were involved in such activities, it does not make it right,just because the “King” did it.
      Check the example of Maryada Purushottam Ram.

  104. Matia (IslamicDefence) says

    Islam is the fastest growing religion because Islam provides the best way of life.
    Islam is the religion of peace, however, non Muslims dont accept this FACT because of their Ignorance, they quote the verses out of their context without establishing the facts surrounding these.

    People r condemning Islam but Allah is prevailing His Deen;

    “And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh,
    lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge.
    Thus We have made fair seeming to each people its own doings;
    then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.”(Qur’an, 6:108).

    Islam is the most peaceful in the world I have seen -The solution to problems of humanity.

    May Allah give hidayah to the ignorants. Amen!

    • abhi says

      @maria
      Islam is the fastest growing religion because Islam provides the best way of life.
      6000millon people every year leave islam, may be in your dream it is fastest growin religion,
      islam is not at all peacefull religion, people accept it because of lack ok knowledge,
      kill other can not be a god word, , but since chilhood your mind is nicely washed i know that,

      so happy dream

      • dayananda says

        @abhi, thanx for this information. but i am confused because 6000million peoples mean 600 crore and total muslims population is 120 crore ie persons leaving islam are 5 times more than total numbers of muslims exist in this world//// BTW how is it possible?

        we have to make every person idol worshiper by hook or by crook..

      • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

        @abhi

        “6000millon people every year leave islam”.
        Re:
        Can you give the source/link of this info? So that I can check it out.

        “people accept it because of lack of knowledge”.
        Re:
        Nah! People reject it because of lack of knowledge.

        “kill other can not be a god word”.
        Re:
        Qur’an doesn’t teach to kill innocents. Only this statement of yours shows that you have not enough knowledge what the Qur’anic verses really mean.

  105. Maria (IslamicDefence) says

    Islam is the fastest growing religion because Islam provides the best way of life.
    Islam is the religion of peace, however, non Muslims dont accept this FACT because of their Ignorance, they quote the verses out of their context without establishing the facts surrounding these.

    People r condemning Islam but Allah is prevailing His Deen;

    “And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh,
    lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge.
    Thus We have made fair seeming to each people its own doings;
    then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.”(Qur’an, 6:108).

    Islam is the most peaceful in the world I have seen -The solution to problems of humanity.

    May Allah give hidayah to the ignorants. Amen!

    • Ankur says

      @Maria (IslamicDefence) For the fastest growing relegion check this

      http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22514 and would appreciate if you would shed some light on the comment above the said comment as well.coz none of the muslims brothers seem to have tha ability to explain

      And We have certainly created you, [O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, “Prostrate to Adam”; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.7:11

      why Alla hiself forced Iblees to commit shrik (bow to other than Allah) what was he thinking coz the pillar of Islam is bow to and worship only Allah.

      • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

        @Ankur

        That was not shirk , Allah ordered the angels to prostrate before him, honoring Allah’s glory and magnificence. They all considered that Allah is only the mighty power He created Adam, no one besides Allah can create such a being like Allah created. The angels all heard, obeyed and prostrated, but Iblis did not prostrate. In this world we cant prostrate to other than Allah because Allah have made this law. Any one if wanna change this law would be a sinner. Qur’an says we should avoid innovations in Islamic laws, the ones if try to innovate or exaggerate would be the inmates of Hell-fire. This is the Islamic law that we can’t prostrate other than Allah.

    • raj.hyd says

      sansar me to sabse jyada suwar ka mans khaya jata hai , sharab v any nashile padarth sigret bidi, faishan, jahilta, kuriti, andh vishvas adi bahute teji se badh rahe hai tab kya inko bhi islam ki tarah achha man liya jaye ? batlaiye islam me kaun si maulik achhai hai , islam ko manne ka artha hai ek andh vishvas ko manna ? kurni allah kahate hai ki hamne dono hatho se adam ji ko banaya dekhe kuran38/75! kuran ko mannae ka arth hai ki “kalpit”124000 nabiyo rsoolon ki fauj ko bhi mano, farishto ki fauj ko bhi mano jinno ki fauj ko bhi mano , huro ki fauj ko bhi mano gilmo ki fauj ko bhi mano jannat v jahannum, kaba jaise patthar ko bhi jakarchumo jaise kalpit bato ko bhi mano 1 keval ek allah ko manne me muslimo kokya taklif hai ! fir bhi kahate hai ki islam me shirk nahi hai !

      • raj.hyd says

        humein moorti pooja mein vishwas rakhna chahiyye. humari poorvaj 5-5 aadmi eik hi aurat par santusht hojate the, aaj k menhgayyi k dor mein agar 5 log eik patni rakhein to yeh bahut hi achcha udahran hoga sab k liye. is tarah hum sari pareshaniyon s nimat sakte haiin. hindu dharm/sanatan dharm mein har probalam ka solootion hai. humein hindu dharm ki taraf lot jana chahiye.

        • raj.hyd says

          jab muhammad ji ne 50sal ki umr me akar 6-7 varshiy aysha ji se nikah kiya tha , tab vah garibi ka ilaz dhundh rahe the jab chaha patni ban liya aur jab chaha bachhe ki tarah usko god me khila liya bachha paida karne se fursat mil gayi ! fir choti bachhi kitna khana khayegi ? kapde bhi bahut echote hi pahanegi sbhi buddhe muslimo ko chahiye ki koi 6-7 sal ki muslim kanya se bhi nikah kar liya kare!

          • raj.hyd says

            @shiv ji ne apne bachche ko hi maar diya? humare har aradhye ne bahuvivah kiye hain humein bhi karne chahiyye jaise shri krishna ki kai patniyan thin. humein bhi shri krishna ko phollow karna chahiyye.

            veer shiva ji ki 8 patniya thin aur unhone marathon ko sikhaya ki kaise musalmano ko loot te hain. humein bhi musalmano ko lootna chahiye aur veer shivaji ki tarah 8 patniyan rakhni chahiyye.

            swami dayananda ne to kabhi vivah hi nahi kiya humein agar unke aachran par chalna hai to kabhi vivah hi nahi karna chahiyye ya phir sirf das bar sex kar sakte hain apni patni k saath jaisa vedon mein likha hai ki das bar sex karo aur 11 vi baar usko maan samjho ya uske son ban jao.

            phir jo bhi ho humein to ved ko hi phollo karna hai.

          • Satya says

            @Muslims
            Bhai kab tum apni pariyo ki kahaniyo se bahar aoge. Ye satvi shtabdi nahi hai. Konse ved me shivji ki kahani aati hai. Koi apne bache ko marker kaise jinda kar sakta hai.

    • hinduagnostic says

      out of context if you read the verses it clearly says what it says if you think islam is a religion of peace you should see jainism and also allah comits shirk many times by swearing upon something else quran is nothing but a book without muhammed there is no islam

  106. Satyen says

    If Islam is a religion of peace, the Islamic countries should have been the most peaceful ones. On the contrary, the Islamic countries are awash with bloodshed. Even 1400 years after the inception of this faith, we don’t see any model peaceful Islamic country!. That means, either this faith doesn’t beget peaceful state or it is not possible to put this theory into practice.

    On the other hand, the Vedic teachings have been able to provide a peaceful state for several millenia and had spread prosperity, knowledge and bliss.

    Now, come to an impartial comparison and choose one of the ways. Many educated and intellectuals in the west have chosen the right path. In India, embracing Hinduism has been continued for centuries and the Hunas, Kushans, Parthians in the past have assimilated this blissful way of life. Why you Indian Muslims miss it. Now, Agniveer has provided the opportunity for you brothers and sisters. Don’t miss it and come back to your home where you had been taken out forcefully by the marauders and converted to the religion of Peace (the religion of sword). The Sun has risen and in the day’s broad light, you can see the truth yourself.

    All be happy and all always remain in Jannat even on earth and hereafter – Religion of love

  107. jai shankar says

    islam ko janne ke liye pahle wo kis paristhiti me bana.us jamane me log kya karthe the,kaise sochthe the,kaise dharm ko karte the,unki samajik,aarthik,bhogolik,dharmik manodasha kaisi thi ye sab thik se soch ne par hi,Islam thoda bahut samaj me aayega.Sabhi musalman budhimani aksar galti karte hai ki islam ko bewajah vartman samay se toulte hai..uska samay 1400 saal purana hai aaj 100 saal ke pahale ka koi bhi dhyan thik nahi lagta yaha dharm aur science roj badalte ja rahe hai aur 1400saal purana islam jo ki ek vishista log aur jaati ke liye tha ek kabile tak simit tha use saare vishva par lagu kaise hoga . Quran vishva ko saamne rakh kar nahi bana balki sirf arab me hi chote chote jo kabile the unko saamne rakh kar bana tha,wo aanek devta ki upasana karthe the iski tulna wo hindu se karte hai, ye BILKUL HI GALAT HAI KYOKI HINDU JAB AANEK DEVTA KI UPASANA KARTA HAI TO WOH US SE PREM KARTA HAI NA KI BHAY.HINDU KE SAARE DEVTA PREM SE NIRMIT HUYE HAI NA KI BHY SE BHAKT KE PREM KE KARAN BHAGWAN BHI BHAKT KI BHAVNA JAISA BANA.HINDU JAB AANEK DEVTA KO PUJTA HAI TO WO SABHI BAKI KE BHAGWANO ME US KE AARADHYA DEVTA KO HI DEKHTA HAI.HINDU JAB AANEK DEVTA KO PUJTA HAI TO WO YE BHALI BHATI JANTA HAI KI SAKAR KE PICHE NIRAKAR HAI.WO YE BHI JANTA HAI YE AANEK DEVTA EK HI SATYA KE AANEK ROOP HAI.par jab arab me koi murti puja karta hoga to wo ye bate nahi janta tha kyoki uski dharna bhahot hi nichale darje ki thi wo bhay khatha khouf khata tha.muhammad ke jamane ki murtiya bhahot hi darawani aur bhay khane wali thi unme PREM jara bhin NAHI THA NA DEVTA ME NA BHAKT ME.MAGAR HINDU KI DEVTA PREM SE BHARI PURI THI AUR HAI.allah jo muhammad ka khud ke kuresh kabile se aata hai wo ek bhay dhikhane wala hi hai.lekin ek BAAT MUSALMAN BUDHIMAN NAHI SAMAJTE KI WO AKSAR KAHTE HAI KI QURAN ME LIKHA HAI ALLAH BAHOT HI DAYALU AUR SHAMA KARNE WALA HAI.LEKIN WO YE BAAT BHULTE HAI KI ALLAH ME SACH ME PREM HAI? WO APNE MUSLIMO SE PREM KARTA HAI?YAKI SIRF USKO MAN NE WALO KE SIVA DUSRO SE WO NAFRAT KARTA HAI AISA ALLAH VISHVA KA HO SAKTA HAI?JO PREM JANTA HO WO PREM HI SIKHAYEGA EK BHI QURAN ME AYAT NAHI HAI MUJASE PYAR KARO AISA ALLAH NE KAHA HO.TO TUMARA ALLAH DAYALU AUR KRIPALU KAISE HOGA WO KISI ANYA KARAN SE HAI.PREM WO KARAN NAHI HAI.QURAN KA ALLAH EK ARAB KE 360 JO DEVTA THE UNKO NICHA KARNE KE LIYE BANAYA GAYA EK MUHAMMAD KA VICHAR HAI,

  108. jai shankar says

    @raj.hyd,aap ne kaha uska jawab hai pahale aap dimag me se allah ka khayal nikal do, thodi der ke liye bilkul bina allah ke ho ja wo,Tab aap ko devta aur aadmi me fark dikhega aap kahte hai shiv ji bacche ko kata to kya hum bhi unko follow kar sakte hai kya? Jarur kar sakte hai par shiv ji ke jaise vish bhi pina pade to pina padega.shiv ji nishachar hai to aap ko bhi hona padega, shiv bhasma lagaye hai aur gale me naag hai,to aap ko bhi follow kar bhasma aur naag lekar ghumna padega,shiv ko tisri aank hai to aap kam se kam nakali aankh lagani padegi.Shiv Tandav karte hai,nachte hai aap ko bhi nachna padega aur akhiri baat shiv pure vishva ka sanhar distroy karte hai,aap kam se kam ek gali ko nast kar ke dikha do..Ab main krisha devta ki baat karunga unki krishna ki kai patniya thi to ham bhi kar sakte hai par krishna ne kaliya naag ko maara aur us par nacha to aap ko kam se kam azgar ya kingkobra par nachna padega,krishna ne ungli par pahad uthaya aap ko kamse kam ek 100 kilo ka bora ungli par uthana padega,shivaji ne 8 wives se shadi ki hum ko bhi karni chahiye par shivaji ne shayestekhan ki ungliya kati aap ko bhi kisi hindu senapati ke sirf ek hi ungli kaatni padegi,shivaji ne afjalkhan ko mara to aap ko bhi kisi hindu senapati ko marna padega,aap kahte hai dayanand brahmchari hai to hum bhi rahe,to raho zyda se zyda tum 1mahine tak hi rah sakoge tab tume bramchari ka matlab samjega, sex keval pashu ko jyda aache lagte haiisliye to wo kahi par bhi,kisi par bhi aur jab chahe sex karte hai,par manushya ko buddhi hai wo apni virya ka upyog sahi tarike se karne ke vaste sirf 10bar hi sex ko kaha aur 11vi bar usko maan arthat aab use sexna karo isliye wo tumari maa jaisi hai par tum din me 10bar sex kar sakte jivan ki shakti ko kho dete ho.tum ye baat nahi samaj sakte ki sex kisliye hai? tum aab allah ke vichar se jud sakte ho..

  109. raj.hyd says

    naqli raj.hyd@ jis vyakti jo gun achhe lagte ho uska achha acharan karna chahiye ! jo bure lagte ho uski ninda bi karno chahiye ! bhale hivah sri krishn ji ho ya shiv ji , muhamamd ji ho ya kurani allah?

    • Truth Seeker says

      @raj.hyd, koi bhi asli ya naqli raj.hyd nahi hota. eik naam k kai log is hindustan mein rehte hain.

      mera kehna hai ki aap log ghalat hindutva ko reperesent kar rahe hain. saare hindu maante hain ki hindu dharam mein chori aur rishwat allowed hai kiyunki shri krishna makhan chor the……..aap ko agar meri baat ghalat lage to ja kar kisi real hindu se pooch lo??

      mujhe gaaliyan bakne se kuch nahi hoga jakar kisi hndu se poocho ki krishna chor the ya nahi phir kehna.

      humare eik senior jo ki ayurveda k gyata hain keh rahe the ki gur aur makhan khao pata hai kon khata tha? shri krishn jo ki itni saari istriyon/women ko satisfy karte the..

      lekin phir bhi musalmano ko hi blame kiya jata hai ki woh ilzam lagatein hain humare devtaon par?

      India mein itna corruption isiliye to hai ki yahan ka hindu dharam chori ko legalise karta hai.

      aur phir gopiyon k kapre churana????

      aap inkar kaise kar sakte ho? eik itni established baat jo ki logon ki khoon mein hai jaise shudron se bhed bhaw aur durvyavahar karna?

      kiya aapko hindu dharam mein kuch nahi dikhai deta ki uski islah ki koshish karo?

  110. jai shankar says

    @raj.hyd, aap ne kaha ki jo gun acche hote hai uska aachran karana chahiy aur jo bure hai unki ninda.Par yaha kaun tay karega ki koun se gun acche hai aur koun se bure? Sharabi ko sharab acchi lagti hai to bimar ko jahar to aap kaise tay karenge ki sharab achhi hai ya buri.vaise hi gun to aur bhi sushma hai sharab to dikhai deti hai par gun to dikhai nahi dete.kaise tay hove ki koun se gun acche hai ki bure?aur iska praman kya hai?

    • Truth Seeker says

      @jai shankar
      Koi Sharabi ye nahi chahta ki uski beti ya beta sarab piye. Islka matlab hai ki sharab achhi nahi hai aur vah yah janta hai. Lekin sharabi ka apne uppar control nahi hai.

    • raj.hyd says

      manniy shri jay shankar ji ,” dusre ke sath vahi vyvhar karo jo apne liye bhi pasand aye ” har vyakti ke liye pahala sutr hona chahiye ! aur manusmriti 6/92 me kaha gaya hai dhriti kshama, damo asteyam shaucham indiriy nigrah dhi vidya satyam akrodho dashkam dharm lakshanam ! dusra sut yah apnaya jana chahiye! aur yam niyam[patanjali ke yogshastr ka sutr ] ka palan karana chahiye ! dusro ke achhe gun chipte nahi hai aur dusro ke bure gun bhi jyada din chip nahi pate hai ! tabhi vivek se samajh karke apnaya jana chahiye !

  111. jai shankar says

    @truth seekar,Fans gaye tum ab pahle tum apne dimag se allah ka khayal nikal do, Thodi der ke liye taki tume samaj me aayega tum kaise fans gaye.maine kaha tha ki koun tay karega ki accha kya hai aur bura kya hai? Ye vichar ke babat nahi tha, krutya ke babat tha,tum jis jagat me rahate ho wo sakar hai,thos hai,isliye is ka vyavhar ho sakta hai,isiliye dharmshastra nirmit huye.koun si chiz aachi hai koun si buri ye kahne ke liye log dharm ka sahara lete the.tumne koi bhi dharm ka sahara nahi liya swagat hai.ab tum ye soch rahe honge ki islam hi saccha hai ,wo hi tay karega ki kya accha hai aur kya bura, PAR TUM AB PURI TARAH SE FANS GAYE HO AGAR TUM MANTE HO KI ISLAM HI SACCHA HAI,AUR IS KE ALAVA TUM KO DUSRA RASTA HI NAHI HAI.PAR TUM FANS GAYE APNE HI JAAL ME JAHA SE TUME KOI BHI NAHI NIKAL SAKTA.TUMARA ISLAM YA TUM YE SIRF SHARAB JO KI DHIKHAI DETI USI KE BABAT BATA SAKNE TAK SIMIT HO TUMARA DAYRA BAHOT HI DHIKHAYI PADNE WALE JAGAT SE HAI. PAR MAINE TO TUMKO SHARAB KA EK EX.DIYA THA AISI HAR CHIZ HAR KARM HAI JAHA PAR YE SAWAL UTHATA HAI KI KYA SAHI HAI AUR KYA GALAT.ISME QURAN BHI AATI HAI .PAR YE TO TUMENE DIKHAI PADHNEWALE CHIJO KE BABAT TAY KIYA PAR JO NAHI DIKHAI PADHTE UN CHIJO KE BABAT TUM AUR TUMARA ISLAMKUCH NAHI KAR SAKTA ISLIYE TO TUMNE SHARAB KA EX.TO DIYA PAR SUSHMA GUN KE BARE ME BOLE NAHI YAHI PAR TUM FANS GAYE TUMARE LIYE YE SAMAJ SE PARE HAI…..AAB TUM ALLAH SE VAPAS JUD SAKTE HO…

  112. Truth Seeker says

    @i cant understand y u always figure out that there are more male than females in dubai, UAE, saudi, quwait when u already know that it is because many men go there for jobs. because most men have their families in their native country so they live alone in gulf countries in this way male population increases over there.

    i think if you are honest then you will never repeat this false propaganda that gulf countries have more men then females because of islamic laws.
    the stricter the law the worst will be results(as said by agni veer)…… and then agniveer always request gov of India to hang ajmal qasab etc??? y??? if he is not support in stricter laws?

    • SDC says

      Give me a gender-wise breakup of world’s population. Also, I am sure that census authorities in the Gulf countries do not include the names of migrants in their population registers. So, your premise falls flat. And if you are intelligent enough, you should not bring up such fallacious arguments later that can be easily demolished.

      Harsh punishments for rarest of rare crimes is fine, but chopping off hands for petty thievery is not justifiable. One must at least get a chance to reform oneself.

  113. Maria (IslamicDefence) says

    @Ankur

    Okay you’re not bias, I was unaware that there is not any concept of Hell, paradise, reward , punishment & eternal life after death as per veda.
    But now I dont get the Vedic philosophy. There’re a lot of questions in my mind;

    1– How can one see God as per veda (as per Islam one can see God in paradise)?

    2– How can one get justice? (As in this world often poor people get a raw deal by the rich ones, all killers, robbers & criminals r not necessarily b punished)

    3–What about the ones born as blind, deaf etc.? How & what’d they get in return?

    4– Is the Vedic God just & merciful? How?

    5– Is vedic God truthful means Is He like truth? (I posed this question because u said veda doesn’t want to convert someone, so i can guess that vedic God allows us to lead a life constant in lies. Does It make no difference to Him that whether on leads a life as a Muslim or a Christian or something else? As truth is only one If one say Quran is right its like saying Veda is wrong – If one say “I’m an Atheist” means he/she isn’t a Muslim).

    6– Does it make no difference to Vedic God whether someone is rejecting His book or not?

    7– Are there some more vedic philosophies which can cover the whole concept logically?

    I guess u r a logical person as u always demands logical proofs 4 Islamic ideologies – So u must have logical answers for all the above mentioned questions without quoting Veda.

    However I’ll not force u to reply me – No oppression – Either u can answer or can just ignore it – Choice is yours. Because I’ve already find the truth i.e Qur’an.

    As 4 your chicken analogy i rest my case – To you be your way & to me mine.

    • hinduagnostic says

      hi sister im not saying conversion is good but arya dharma/santana dharma the orginal name has mixture of philisophies i dont follow arya samaj i follow another philisophy and i would say all of them are rational and logical i would ask you to consider joining it many muslims and christians have come back to their roots most hindus believe that god cannot be seen he is everywhere but there are those who believe god has compability to make form and come into his creation and we can get justice from our own karma we make our destiny not god and children born blind is because of karma from past lives but you can change your destiny and no god in vedas doesnt believe in religion he brought one book through rishis for all human kind and living enties who can understand so that everybody had one belief but people came and started making religions to control people and this when hatred started between different beliefs and god doesnt look at belief only in deeds as that is what will go with you in your next life or moksh if you get it

    • Ankur says

      @Maria (IslamicDefence)
      very well , Even though you did not answer any of my question related to Quran,but still i here make an effort to answer your questions.

      1– How can one see God as per veda (as per Islam one can see God in paradise)?
      –Seems your knowledge of Islam is half baked, that you dont know as per Islam Allah is claimed to be formless(though it confusing sometime from the description of

      Allah in QUran) , how would you see something that is formless i fail to understand.

      Response : Why would one need to physically See god, what good would that do? if one KNOWS and realises the ultimate truth and purpose of ones life, there is no need

      to know anything else, leave aside “seeing” anyone or anything.

      2– How can one get justice? (As in this world often poor people get a raw deal by the rich ones, all killers, robbers & criminals r not necessarily b punished)


      — Guess this question is pointing towards the “heaven hell thing” .

      Response :thats why “rebirth” is the only logical option where one gets life and resource as per ones past doings,this the best and most effecient justice, without

      anyone having to conduct a court hearing, once the law is in place there is no escaping it, all the deeds linger on in ones psyche and those impressing manifest as a

      reward or punishment in the next life, “as you sow so shall you reap”

      3–What about the ones born as blind, deaf etc.? How & what’d they get in return?
      –this would point to the easy and difficult test mumbo jumbo…

      Response: the Fact they are born as such is a testament that there must be a reson behind it , what else could it be except the fruit of their past deeds, as a “JUST”

      god would not arbitrarily choose anyone to be blind ,deat etc, if he did then he could not be trusted with the authority of doing justice.

      4– Is the Vedic God just & merciful? How?

      Response: The world that is created is a testament to the fact the Almighty is nothing but merciful , he has given all everything that is needed to live and enjoy a

      blissfull life, it we who chose not to see the beauty and create a mess of things.

      He is just because he measures(rewards/punishes) everyone by their deeds and not what they belive in ,but being merciful does not mean that the laws that he has put in

      plcace to reward or punish one for his/her deeds can be given a slack on some arbitrary basis(e.g becoming a follower of an idelogy , as they say become muslim and all

      your sins will be washed off)

      5– Is vedic God truthful means Is He like truth?

      Response: Humans are but pecks of dust for the creator, whatever we do as humans has “NO” affect the creator, we by our deeds only assimilate their impression for our

      next good or downtordden birth, if we live a good life,do good deeds and be keep on mind and heart focussed on our only creator while living the life that he has

      given, we will keep on elevating and finally will realize the ultimate truth and be free and enjoy bliss, coz all doubts will cease to exists and when that

      happens,true freedom & bliss will be achieved.

      6– Does it make no difference to Vedic God whether someone is rejecting His book or not?

      Response : NO, God doe not need the people, People need him for their own sake, so that they are relieved of misery and suffering.

      7– Are there some more vedic philosophies which can cover the whole concept logically?

      Response : did not understand the question exactly, but one thing is sure question everyting, anything that does not pass your “unbiased” and well Educated logic, is

      to be rejected, i.e. reject all falsehood then only you can be moving towards the truth, if one belives that he/she already know the truth , then that the end of that

      person, as there will be no progress and nothing to learn or gain or achive, that is why GOd has given humans free will to see and seek the truth.

  114. Prithvi says

    as i have seen the comments of muslims full of non-sense or else nothing , muslims have jihad against hindus since 711 AD from arab marauders to jocker nalayak , it is due to our valiant hindu rulers like Maharana Pratap , Shivaji and and other hindu patriots who resisted the bloody islamisation my country india , to whom these muslim liars say islamic mercy , they never hesitate to kill anybody stands against islam , Today Pakistan , Bangladesh and Afghanistan is the product of islamisation ,religious minorites have always persecuted in muslim land in the name of allah and unholy quran , a book full of non-sense and fairy tales and scientific errors , islam have bloodshedded from morocco to indonesia , many intellectual muslims have renounced islam for truth in western countries such as Ibn Warraq,Ali Sina , Wafa Sultan , Mariam namazi , Ehsan Jami and many more , After reading quran i have known that it is a madman book ,here many muslims are chamchas of jocker nalayak who are not happy with jocker’s insult .

  115. Maria (IslamicDefence) says

    @hinduagnostic

    “we can get justice from our own karma we make our destiny not god and children born blind is because of karma from past lives but you can change your destiny ”

    Re:
    I don’t get it. What is karma?

    “No god in vedas doesnt believe in religion he brought one book through rishis for all human kind”

    Re:
    I was unaware that Veda doesn’t believe in religion.
    But it does believe in “God” – So what does “Religion” really mean as per Veda? It seems that as per Veda the “concept of God” and “concept of religion” are two different things and are not associated with each other in any way – Really? How?
    And i think religion means which give a concept regarding God. Is it not so?

    • hinduagnostic says

      illl try to explain from my view but i think agniveer explained the theory of karma in one his article but karma is cause and effect you do good you will get good you do bad you will eventually get bad it can be directly or indirectly some times you dont even see it and in hinduism heaven and hell are on earth heaven is happiness, peace and hell is suffering,anger etc and also hinduism isnt a religion its not there to control people just to bring peace,knowledge and happines into your life there are many philisophies and most theistic hindus believe in vedas but i have not read vedas because you have learn sanskrit so theistichindus look to bhagavad gita and other books to understand god you should reconsider believing in hinduism sister espically if your from south asia as you will be coming back to your roots of your ancestors

  116. Ankur says

    @maria, it is very difficult to understand veda and hinduism i am giving u some points which will help u to understand ..

    first and foremost is whatever u believe u are hindu because hinduism is a sea which accept everything. so there is no particular concept or belief, every hindu has its own concept and belief. so in this way there are more than 80crore different thoughts of hinduism.

    vedas are thoughts of 4 rishis which they received in a new language ie Sanskrit but there is no exact number of veda known. you can also receive veda by practicing yoga etc but it is interesting to note that vedas are believed to be 1 million and some thousands year old but no 5th person has received any veda till date.

    it swami dayanda who first time understand real meanings of veda.

    there is swarg ie paradise and hell concept in veda and deed system also presnt there.

    you get rebirth in new species according ur deeds in this life, yo can become bacteria and plant too.

    most importantly u can prove anything ang every thing from VEDA.

  117. Maria (IslamicDefence) says

    @Ankur

    “There is swarg i.e paradise and hell concept in veda and deed system also presnt there – every hindu has its own concept and belief. so in this way there are more than 80crore different thoughts of hinduism.”

    Re:
    How many Vedas have you in Hinduism? – So do you believe in Veda which has no concept of Hell & paradise?

    Is there only one Veda but your beliefs are different? If the Veda is only one book then it means it has the concept of Hell, paradise but you don’t believe in Hell & paradise.

  118. Maria (IslamicDefence) says

    @Ankur + @hinduagnostic

    Okay i get it in hinduism heaven and hell are on earth heaven is happiness, peace and hell is suffering,anger etc. there are number of Vedas & every hindu has its own concept and belief.

    But because of difference in beliefs & great in number of books there’re more chances that they all contradicts each other – If one consider that each Veda is from God then all these shouldn’t contradicts at least. One have to choose a Veda to believe in it. (Perhaps there is no any contradiction between different Vedas & its followers beliefs – Really?)

    Brother Hinduagnostic you’re saying hinduism isnt a religion – I don’t get it if it’s not a religion then why it gives the concept of God? Do you mean Veda is simply a book not religious book?
    – Then it’s not necessary to follow it – As brother Ankur says it makes no different to the vedic God if someone is leading his/her life as a Muslim or an Atheist or something else So I’ll never leave my Islam .

    • Ankur says

      @Maria (IslamicDefence) : The last comment i.e.

      http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22854

      is not from Me, it must be a frustated Muslim poser, all that he has mentioned swarg nark , 1 million,80 crore and blah blah are his hallucinations,this shows how intellignet and honest the followers of your Quran are, they can deceive and set fear into the hearts of peope by imaginary stories(as did prophet Mohommaed) to keep people following a illogical cult.

    • Ankur says

      I never asked you to leave Islam, the only thing is one should make an effort to Know all that exists and then make an “INFORMED” decision.
      as i said do visit the below

      http://agniveer.com/category/vedas/foundations/
      and read through, dont get involved in comments , Read, analyze,decide and come back if required.

      @HinduAgnostic : Bro,Request you not alter the flow of a two way communication,unldess absolutely necessary.

    • hinduagnostic says

      i said there is one vedas but there are other books aswell hinduism isnt a religion because there is no real conversion we believe in humanity and no most hindus follow the samething now days but there are other philisophies to choose from even some hindus do not understand their religion which why they get tricked by muslim preachers like zakir naik and you muslims have one book the quran so if there is an error it cant be word of god hinduism is very deep spirtual religion it doesnt compel you to believe blindly

  119. Ankur says

    @Agniveer : Request you to have an identitiy Mechanism on the website , as it seems our Muslims friends have started to resort to identity theft , to confuse people,which is not desired.

  120. Maria (IslamicDefence) says

    Your words;
    “as it seems our Muslims friends have started to resort to identity theft , to confuse people”.
    Re:
    A false charge has been brought against Muslims by you, we don’t need to resort to identity theft, or to hide our identity. Without any rhyme or reason u brought it ,Just it seems to you so. Stop picking holes in Muslims.

    Another thing that I had missed.
    Your words:
    “Even though you did not answer any of my question related to Quran”.
    Re;
    Perhaps u r talking about the verse (7:11), I gave u answer perhaps u didn’t read it properly , scroll up the page & read it again.

    • Ankur says

      @Maria(IslamicDefence): My query was directed to Agniveer and not you , do read the comment again, you did not understand that i was referring to a poser who responded to your comment in my Name.(and that’s called identity theft), i have clearly mentioned the same to you

      http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22877,

      Besides you are still confused, as per 7:11 Allah Ordered Angels to prostrate to “ADAM” and not him ,to which ‘iblees’ did not agree,read the verse again…

      • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

        @Ankur

        Okay I get it. I’ve noticed the difference between your way of addressing & that of your namesake Ankur. I misunderstood because I had missed to read your post i.e “http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22877″

        But how can you surely say that your namesake Ankur is a Muslim?

        All the things mentioned by him are correct or not?

        He maybe a Hindu & just a namesake of yours & not try to theft your identity.

        Y do u not ask him “Y did he interrupted by using your name?

        And please STOP blaiming Qur’an, dont judge a book by its followers , my Allah is truthful , He likes truth.

        As 4 7:11, no I’m not confused, I’m clear Angels prostrated to Adam & I’ve explained the reason 4 it already.

        • Ankur says

          @Maria (IslamicDefence) : Why would a Hindu take on the guise of my name and try to create confusion by saying thing that are no where in the veda.?
          I have nothing against the Muslims, the are just like any other human,I am questioning the Quran here.
          I guess you are not ready to seek and explore the knowledge in the world,though i would not suggest you leave this forum but i have other option as you seem not to be able to analyze the text with an unbiased and logical perspective.

  121. Qul huwa Allahu ahad says

    @Maria, dont take this website seriously, you can see what agniveer propagate on face book that “if you love islam then join agniveer”.. i request u to visit satyagni.com the sister website of agniveer. these aryasamajis abuse My prophet and ALLAH and i cant forgive them for this filth.
    most regular visitor aryasamajis ie truth seeker, KB, SDC they post by showing themselves as muslim. they are truely devoted for alisina.com/faithfreesom.com/ satyagni.com etc.

    i want from admin that they should make this website atleast close group so that no body can easily comment here.

    sister please visit satyagni.com once and then you can see how filthy these are aryasamajis are and also read smhullas 14 of satyarthprakash. satyarthprakash is available in english at agniveer and islamhinduism dot com.

    • Ankur says

      @Qul huwa Allahu ahad : by saying dont take this website seriously, you mean to say dont use your god gifted brain for critical though and analysis,well what else can be expeted for a fellow Muslim,All the so called “Abuse” that you have stated has its bais in your Quran and Sahi Hadith,nothing has come out of the thin air, who said people here are aryasamajis, thats your misconception.

  122. jai shankar says

    islam ki original teaching kho gai hai .thodi thodi ved ke vichar jaha nirgun,shunya,koi aakar nahi ,koi sathidar nahi,keval wo hi hai, ye teaching corrupt ho gai hai.kyo ki har bachha hindu paida hota hai.kaise suno. Jab baccha ma ke pet me hota hai tab uske chitta par koi akar nahi banta.par jaise hi wo janmta hai vaise hi uske chitt par maa ki akruti chap jati hai,baccha apne maa ko bhagwan hi manta hai.chahe duniya bhar ke musalman allah ki tasbeer na banye par unka baccha maa me allah ko hi dekhta hai is karan sabhi bachhe hindu hote hai.jaise jaise dimag kharab hone lagta hai vaise vo allah se jo dekhai nahi deta us ko manane me lag jata hai bachman me maa ke rup me allah ko dekha par bada hote hi maa ko bhul jata hai aur dimag me allah ko bhar deta hai jo dikhai nahi deta.

    • Qul huwa Allahu ahad says

      @Maria, i think that you belong to another country so u dont know about Hindus and Hinduism.

      i am Indian I have a wide experience about Dawah in Hindus. I have talked about islam with almost every friend. I have gifted and sold many books in Hindi, Urdu, and English and quran translation in Hindi, Urdu and English.
      I have not met a single Hindu in my life who claims himself as ‘aryasamaji’ neither i found any Hindu having veda at his home nor he reads veda.

      whenever I said them that you should read veda they replied that we have small books of certain mantras and that is enough. we have been taught about veda at our schooling otherwise nobody remember veda today.

      we as muslim tray to spread quran, i myself have almost 30 copies of quran, two big tafaseers and translation in Urdu, Hindi and English. we motivate muslims to learn arabic language, to memories quran and to follow quran.
      But these aryasamajis unable to spread veda instead their main aim is to malign Islam.

      if you want to know about veda then visit islam hinduism dot com. 4 rishis were inspired and received vedas knowledge in a new language known as sanskrit and they have taught that knowledge in their own style and way to others. it is not verbal/ word to word revelation so tey have full right to explain according to their will.
      If u want to know real face of agniveer then read articles related to Indian history.
      hope u understand. wassalam

      • Ankur says

        @Qul huwa Allahu ahad:Hope you are getting paid well for propagating Quran

        4 rishis were inspired and received vedas knowledge in a new language known as sanskrit

        This statement is a copy paste of all that you know , and now i know who tried an identity theft :) poor you.

        There are only 4 Vedas, all mumbo jumbo of your beloved webiste has been refuted and busted in details here

        http://agniveer.com/textual-corruption-in-vedas/

        so bro i just hope that you are paid well for your futile efforts to keep people confused.

        • Qul huwa Allahu ahad says

          @ankur, you are right i have been paid unlimited reward for the propagation of Quran and i know that you know who is paying and will pay in hereafter.

          it is hindus who always seek money for everything whenever go to temple they pay some amount to the priest/pandit of the temple.

          you can search the earning of ayappa, balaji and shirdi.

          we muslims when go to masjid we offer salah there and come out without giving any money to Imam it is the difference.we collect money to manage masjid 1-4 times in a month and offer salah there 150 times in a month.

          regarding 4 rishis and Sanskrit as alien language of that time you can read sathyarthprakash. it seems that you are not aware about ur veda and concept of aryasamaj.

          aryasamajis always say that if Allah/ishwar give book in any of the language of world of that time then He is unjust to other languages but when we ask about sanskrit and veda then they say that sanskrit was new language for every one and dont know what was the language of those 4 rishis. first time those rishis received veda in a new language named as sanskrit then they spread the message in their own words which is called veda(in this way they were free to corrupt the message send by veda’s Ishwar).

          • Ankur says

            @Qul huwa Allahu ahad: I just hope that you are not dissapointed once this life is over.

            Now that i know you have read satyapraksh, why dont you logically refute the claims rather than spending effort on distrubiting the Uthaman’s Quran.

            well there had to be a first language and that is Sanskrit, what’s so difficult to understand in that.

  123. jai shankar says

    dr.zakir naik sach me agar vad-vivad karna chahta hai to use main hara sakta hu..dekho agar praman ki baat aayegi to pratyaksha,aanuman,aagam ye 3praman mukhya hote hai. Ab dekho islam ke paas pratyakshya praman allah ka nahi hai.allah ko kisi ne pratykshy nahi dekha khud muhammad ne bhi nahi dekha.is karan allah ek soch rah jata hai .ek sapna rah jata hai,quran ka aur hadis satya hai is ka bhi praman kahi bhi nahi milta.ab sirf aanuman praman ki jaha dhua hai waha agni hai vaise ye praman bhi allah par thik nahi beithta,kyoki allah ka anuman ki wo kaisa hai to dayalu,krupalu,shaktiman,sab jannewala.pal bhar me kuch bhi karnewala is se allah ka anuman nahi lagta kyoki koi bhi sadharan aadmi me ye gun paye jate hai to wo kya allah ho sakega? Bilkul nahi.Phir aata hai aagam arthat shastra praman to allah ka varnan na to bible me hai,na toraht,engil me hai,na kisi anya dharma ke shastra me allah ka naam hai .to ye siddha hua ki allah ek man ka vichar hai, jo muhammad ke tatkalin nirantar soch ka parinam tha.siway muhammad ke allah ka koi bhi praman nahi milta is liye islam ko sarvamanya ya jagatmanya dharma nahi kaha jayega.dr,zakir naik ki halat vaisi hai jaise koi chor khud ko chor na kahe.ye sabit nahi karta ki chor chor nahi hai,praman do dr.zakir naik kuch to praman do.khud muhammad bhi praman dene se chuke tum kya khak praman doge?

  124. Truth Seeker says

    @jaishankir, kiya tum bata sakte ho ki tum kis Ishwar mein vishwas rakhte ho aur rakhte bhi ho ya nahi?

    kiya shiv,vishnu aur brahma ki trinity/trishool mein wishvas rakhte ho?

    agar tum koi baat manoge hi nahi to kisi ko bhi hara doge tum to kehdoge mere paas koi praman nahi hai Ishwar isliye aap mujh se nahi pooch sakte.

    chutku bhai aapko maloom hona chahiyye ki zakir naik kehte hain ki jo admi kam se kam 10000 log ikatha kar sakta sirf apne naam se us se debate ya dialogue karoonga to pehle tum apni pramanikta sabit karo ki 10,000 log kisi programme mein ikathe karo apne naam se tab Allah ki pramanikta mangna. ok jao jab tak munh dhoke soaye raho..

    han agar mere se dialogue karna chahte ho bata dena.

    eik baat bata deta hun ki jab tum apne samne ka computer dekhte ho to kiya sochte ho ki khud bana ya kisi ne banaya? lekin agar kisi ne banaya to bhi usne duniya mein paayi chezein hi use karein bhale hi develop karin to woh creator to nahi hua par keyboard/table kisi to banai hain….ab yeh batao ki jab yeh sara brahmand dekhte ho yeh zameen dekhte ho to kiys sochte ho ki itna systematic system khud ban gay ya koi creator hai? jab eik chappal bhi khud nahi ban sakta to duniya kaise ban sakti hai? buss yeh suniya aur sare sansaron ka creator hi Allah/GOD hai.

    mujhe ummed ab apko koi argument nahi chahiyye hoga

  125. jai shankar says

    @truth seekar, ek doha jo bahut kuch kahta hai, “BUND” SAMANA SAMUND ME,HERAT HERAT HE SAKHI RAHYA KABIR HERAI. Ye sadharan chit ki awastha hai, par jaise Vishwas mukta hota hai chit to ye hota hai,”SAMUND” SAMANA BUND ME,HERAT HERAT HE SAKHI RAHYA KABIR HERAI. Pahle to main aapko ek baat batata hu VISHWAS YA BELIEF YE SABSE BADE JAHAR HAI.main eshwar ko manta nahi JANTA HU. Aur tum jaise samjte ho ki eshwar ke bare me vaise eshwar ko maine kabhi bhi dekha nahi hai,kisi ko bhi wo aajtak mila nahi NA HI MILEGA YE MERA VACHAN HAI.Ha devtapurush huye hai jinko hi galti se bhagwan,eshwar man liya gaya hai.Yatra kaise hoti hai,Pahle purush ,bad me devtapurush aur akhir me bhagwan. Yahi itihas hai tum dyan ki aankh se apne bhitar dekho to tumko sab par avishwas bana hi rahta hai ki samne bhagwan khada hai ye sach hai ya mere man ka khel? Ex.deta hu Ramkrushna ko kali mata ke darshan hote the,saint namdev krishna se bolte the,par vaise hi inko ye sab man ka hi khel lagta tha.inka bhram tab tuta jab inone aapne aap ko dekha jo ki ek matra satya hai.Tum bhagwan par bhi shaq kar sakte ho par tum khud par shaq nahi kar sakte ki tum nahi ho.TUM NAHI HO IS KO BHI JANANE KE LIYE TUMRA HONA JARURI HAI.KYA TUM APNE NA HONE KO JANTE KO,BHAWAN YA ESHWAR YE MULLYAWAN HAI PAR JO INKO DEKH RAHA HAI WO UNSE BHI ADHIK MULLYA KA HAI.JANANEWALA AUR JANA JANEWALA EK JAB HOTE HAI TAB SAMUND HI BUND ME GIRTA HAI.PAR JAB TAK YE ALAG RAHTE HAI TAB TAK BUND HI SUMAND ME GIRTI HAI.JANNEWALA AUR JANA JANEWALA DO DIKHAI DENA HI AGYAN HAI.ISLIYE MAIN ESHWAR KO MANTA NAHI JITA HU.ESHWAR EK PARAM ANUBHAV KI BAAT HAI.SHABD SE,TARK SE DEVTAPURUSH KO SIDHA KAR SAKTE HO ANUBHAV KO NAHI.DR.JAKIR NAIK KO MAIN AKELE HI 10000 KE BARABAR HU AAB YE UNKI DURSTI KA DOSH HAI KI MERE SAAT TO JO LOG ,FARISTE,ANGILS,DEVTA UNKI JO FOUJ HAI WO ITNI JYDA HAI MAIN GINTI BHI NAHI KAR SAKTA MAIN JINDA LOG RAKHTA HU APNE SATH AMRUT PIYE HUYE LOG MERE PAAS HAI AUR DR. Zakir ke paas jo aadmi ka jakhira hai wo sab murda log hai,unka khud ka koi bhi vajud nahi hai, lakir ke fakir ,kolu ke bail hai. Jis ke piche logo ki bhid hoti hai wo bhed hai aadmi ka.SIHA AKELA HOTA HAI.BAS EK BAAR DAHADTA HAI TO SARA JANGAL KANPTA HAI.DR.ZAKIR NAIK DARA HUA HAI WO APNA DAR LOGO SE NAHI KAHTA WO WOHI BAAT KAREGA JO QURAN ME HAI,HADIS ME HAI ,AUR ALLAH SE MEL KHATI HAI.JAISE USE KOI BATA DETA HAI KI QURAN ,HADIS,ALLAH KE KHILAF KOI BAAT JA RAHI HAI TO PAHLE DARTA HAI.AUR USI KARAN WO ISLAM KA BADA SPEEKAR BAN GAYA HAI (ARTHAT AISA TUM SAMJTE HO) DAR KAHI ISLAM GALAT NA HO JAYE IS KARAN HI WO BRILIIYANT BHI BANA HUA HAI COMPUTER KE JAISA DIMAG SMRUTI KA KACHRA INKA SATYA SE KOI LENA DENA NAHI HAI YE WO JANTA NAHI.ANUBHAV CHAHIYE ANUBHAV HAI SAHAS KE HA MAIN JANTA HU ALLAH KO AISA KAH DE.NAHI MANANE KO BOLO SIRF KAMJOR DIMAGWALE KA HI YE KAM HOSAKTA HAI.TUM KO THODA KAHA HAI SAMAJ HAI TO JYADA SAMJOGE……..ATTA DIPA BHAV KHUD KE DIYE KHUD BANO……..

  126. rami says

    lol.. the wikipedia list u provided doe not say its muslim countries in the top..
    It is just in Alphabetical order :D

    “Let’s not oppose just for the sake of opposing”

    Peace!!

  127. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @Qul huwa Allahu ahad

    Assalamualaikum.
    Why did you addressed me by using Ankur’s name?
    Islam wants us to be honest at least – Avoid to do such which can create a bad Impression about Islam – Can we tell a lie while doing dawah? Allah doesn’t allow it brother!

    And I’m sorry I’ve 2 point out this, but my aim isn’t to mere point out figures but to defend Islam so forgive me 4 it just for Allah. This is just a minor correction so don’t take it to heart.

    You said I shouldn’t take this website so seriously. The only thing I’m taking seriously is Islam, & I’ll take seriously anything related with it. One can defend his/her faith at least.

    And yes as I’m not an Indian, I do not understand the meaning of typical-Hindi-words. One can learn about others religion so that one can b able to say his/her belief in Islam isn’t blind – But doing all this ones faith in Islam should b remained unshaken – My knowledge is too limited, I’m just learning. i believe in Allah. And I mean I BELIEVE IN ALLAH.
    Fee-amanillah.

    • Ankur says

      @Maria IslamicDefence: Thats the way to go…A suggestion though you didint ask, one must live this life in the pursuit of the ultimate truth, keep on acquiring knowledge and rejecting falsehood based on logic and critical thought, take nothing at its face value, be always critical of everything that is based on tradition or belief system, accept things only when the intellect is able to assimilate it in ones heart. but one has to start from the scratch (keeping the knowledge acquired as a decision making tool) and proceed from there on , the ONLY thing that remains as the basis of all this excersie is the firm faith in the ONEand only almighty GOD(Ishwar).

      OM.

      • Maria IslamicDefence says

        @Ankur

        Agreed.
        But when someone pick out a verse from Qur’an & say it’s illogical, I start searching, start gaining knowledge & sooner or later ultimately the Qur’an wins. As I said my knowledge isn’t enough so often I fail to prove somethings then I often think this is my own fault/disability not the fault of Qur’an. Now I’m 19, there r some ideologies which seem to b illogical to me at least 3-4 years back, but now all these ideologies r clear to me. I’m still learning so In-Shaa-Allah in future everything will b cleared to me. Allah, I believe in Him. There are some reasons,you’d not understand, because this is my personal experience, He never leaves me alone in lurch, always helpful – Whenever I pray, I say O Allah I believe in your book & your prophet so help me , strangely he helps me. If Qur’an isn’t His words then Y He helps me. So I often think if I’d not believe in Allah, Allah’s book then it means I’m unthankful/unjust to Allah –
        All this is my personal experience so I not saying u to believe in me but I’ll believe in Allah to bitter end. I often pray to Allah to keep on very very true path & I hope my beloved Allah keeps me on right path.

        • Ankur says

          @Maria IslamicDefence : Very nice to read you words :) No doubt that the Almighty renders his help(in the ways you understand) to you when you ask with the true heart. but that has noting to do with the Quran or the prophet of Islam.The kind of experience that you talk about is felt by people of all faith be it Christians,Buddhists, Hindus or any other faith who believe in the supreme.
          One thing, No human can be unjust/unfaithful to the supreme,the Sun does not mind if a candle is burning or not, in the same way as is said earlier what humans does not & cannot matter to the Almighty.
          Regarding 7:11 you explanation is too naive, if the Angels thought that Allah’s creation was so magnificent,they should certainly have bowed to Allah instead of his creation “Adam” , Analogy; when Edison created/invented the light bulb , people gave him respect and acknowledged him for his greatness rather than showing respect and prostrating to the “Light bulb”

          Besides Now that you are here for good, let me ask you a few more question regarding Quran.

          Lest go with the FIRST question (lot many to come after we are done with this one )

          The contradiction between verses 2:136 and 5:51

          http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21124

          • Maria IslamicDefence says

            @Ankur

            Case-1-
            Your words:
            “Regarding 7:1 if the Angels thought that Allah’s creation was so magnificent,they should certainly have bowed to Allah instead of his creation “Adam” , Analogy; when Edison created/invented the light bulb , people gave him respect and acknowledged him for his greatness rather than showing respect and prostrating to the “Light bulb”.

            Re:
            And If Allah wanted them (Angels) to bow before Adam then? They considered that Allah’s creation was magnificent but it was Allah’s order to bow to him (Adam).
            They also praised Allah for that but also prostrated to Adam after Allah’s order.

            Edison Invented light bulb, people gave respect to him but after that if Edison wanted people to b prostrated to light bulb, people would had to b prostrated.

            What is the problem?

            Case-2-

            Verse:
            “say we believe in Allah and that which hath been sent down unto us and that which was sent down unto Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqub and the tribes,and that which was given to Musa and lsa, and that which was given to the (other) prophets from their Lord; we differentiate not between any of them, and unto Him are submissive.(2:136)”.

            Your words:
            “so the first verse(2:136) says that there is no distinction exists for a beleiving muslim in any of the revelations for jews & christians(& others) and Islam.”
            Re:
            See, What is Allah saying in the verse, Allah says,” we should BELIEVE In Allah & which has been sent unto Muhammad & to other prophets i.e Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqub, Musa and lsa & other Prophets.
            And should believe in all & differentiate not any of them (Prophet) [ when Allah say we shouldn't differentiate here Allah means to say we should BELIEVE IN ALL, that they all were Prophets, If we say we believe in some & don't believe in some of them then it means we are DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THEM.]
            Yes their is no distinction for a believing Muslim in any of the revelations that has been sent to them [Again here we should BELIEVE IN ALL BOOKS in order to create no any distinction, that these were given to the Prophets i.e Torah, Zaboor, Injeel, Qur’an & many other books we don’t know their names (as in Qur’an by name there are mentioned only 4 books so we know the names of only 4 books).

            So we shouldn’t differentiate among Prophets & their books. But what is the SCALE by which one can measure that one is differentiating or not? That SCALE is “ONES BELIEF”.
            IF I SAY I BELIEVE IN ALL PROPHETS & IN ALL BOOKS IT MEANS I”M NOT DIFFERENTIATING.
            The verse doesn’t say to follow the teachings of all books. Go read the Tafseer of this verse. There is another verse, says “if someone wanna believe in some & disbelieve in some they wanna create distinction & they are the real kafirz” (Qur’an).

            Verse:
            “O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Nazarenes as friends: friends they are to each other: and whosoever of you befriendeth them, verily he is of them; verily Allah guideth not a wrong-doing people.(5:51)”.

            Your words:
            “(5:51) forbids the same beleiving muslim not to take jews and christians(who ufortunately believe in the revelations to which a beleiving muslims must make not distinction as per 2:136) as friend as they are enemies of Islam(because they are christians & Jews as they belive in the earlier revelations of Allah) and are cursed?”
            Re:
            The above verse doesn’t say Jews were cursed (because of their sins) but there is another verse which say so.
            I had explained already that verse forbids the Muslims from taking *Patronage* from Jews & Christians. They can b remained as friends as long as one keep his/her faith In Islam strong & if ones aim is to Dawah.
            (“God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them 60:8) (Do not argue with the people of the Book, unless it is in the politest manner.”(29:46)

            They are not believing in the same book Bible ( Torah & Injeel) which was revealed by Allah but they are believing the book being concocted. Bible (combined form of Gospel & Law) is a concocted form, christians have no proof to back up their cult of a religion. Their book has been changed dozens of times just to suit themselves and to suit the times changing. One shouldn’t change the word of God just because times have changed, that wont make it Gods word anymore it will make it man made or one can say concocted/interpolated.

            According to Qur’an Gospel & Law are “Mansukh” means their teachings were for the people of that time only.

            There is no contradiction.

          • Ankur says

            @Maria IslamicDefence :[knew you would need some additiona help :) ] Regarding 7:11 we are back to square One, that question that i asked initially and you responsed with the logic of “Adam being a magnificient creation…”, so here it is Again

            why would Allah Order XYZ to bow to someone except hiself that too that which was his own creation

            now please dont say “Allah knows best or it was Allahs will”(which obviosuly you cannot know unless you know how Allah thinks)

            Edison Invented light bulb, people gave respect to him but after that if Edison wanted people to b prostrated to light bulb, people would had to b prostrated.
            Now could you give me one reason why Edison would have asked people to prostrate to the light bulb!

            its just “My way or highway kind of ideology” to justify 7:11

            Regarding the contradiction between 5:51 and 2:136 refer the below link , Read it (it is a convers with Another Muslim friend, on the same top he/she too used the word “patron”, guess this is the common deception technique). then come back and read the rest,request you to respond here if you have to add valuable info

            http://agniveer.com/hate-zakir/#comment-20882

            Regarding the concotion of christians/jews books i hope you would remember that Todays Quran was compiled by Uthaman…

            According to Qur’an Gospel & Law are “Mansukh” means their teachings were for the people of that time only.
            How would you reconcile the fact the quran that you quote is Uthman’s compilation and there is no way to Know if Allah really said this to Muhammad,may be had he not burnt every single copy of other existing qurans before coming up with todays quran.

  128. jai shankar says

    @jai shankar (fake id banane wala),manushya yudh karta hai to wo bahar ke khshetra me jeet jata hoga par aksar ye paya jaata hai ke wo antas ke khshetra me hara hua hi paya jata hai, sikandar mahan bahar to jeeta par bhiter ki ladai wo haar gaya, jaate waqt dono haat khali chod gaya,hara hua mara.Is liye ye maat samjana jo bahar jeet jata hai wo bhitar bhi jeet jayega.Tum abhi mera fake id bananewale,bahot hi kacche ho,kunkune ho.Dr,zakir naik kya kahta hai is se kya sabit hoga,koi pagal sannipat me bukhar me badbadata hai to bhudhimani usko dekhte nahi balki haste hai,aur uske nadani par taras khate hai, karuna se usko dekhte hai ki ye abhi tak bhimar kyo hua hai balki swastya ki aushadhi to uske bhitar hi padi hai.uska upyog na kar ke wo bhimar hi hone ko raji hai.VED ME YA PURAN ME ZIKRA HONE SE KOI MAHAN HOTA HOGA TO VED ME RAKSHASONKA BHI VARNAN HAI,TO WO BHI KYA MAHAN HO GAYE? Keval varanan hone se ya naam hone se koi bhi praman satya siddha nahi hota,ex. Deta hu maine ek quran ke jaisi kitab likhi aur usme likha ki bachho tum raat me bahar der tak ghumne mat jana BHAHAR BADA HI KHUNKAR OSMA LADEN tumko pakad lega.To kya koi mere kitab KO OSAMA LADEN KI KITAB KAHEGA,YA FIR MERE KITAB ME OSAMA KA ZIKRA HAI TO OSAMA MAHAN HOGA KYA? Tum socho ki osama ko tum mahan kahoge to tumara dimag kharab nahi ho gaya hai.DR.ZAKIR NAIK JAB VED AUR PURAN KA HAWALA DETA HAI TO HINDU HASTE HAI KI DR.ZAKIR NAIK KA DIMAG KHARAB HO GAYA HAI.BIMARI ME KUCH KA KUCH BADBADA RAHA HAI.Ravi shankar jab zakir naik se dialogue karne gaye to peace peace kahne lage.tumara matlab phir kya unko khoon khoon ,maro maro kahna tha kya? Zara socho agar wo dr.zakir naik ko ek ZORDAR GAL PAR TAMACHA MARTE TO KYA HOTA KHUD DR.ZAKIR NAIK PEACE PEACE KAHTE TALIYA BAJATE AUR BAKI KE LOG USKA SWAGAT KARTE KI DEKHO DR.ZAKIR NAIK PEACE PEACE KAH RAHE HAI.Tab sharam se pani pani hone ka bhi khyal unko na aata log bhala itni tarif kar rahe hai aur main sharam se pani pani ho raha hu,kaisa kanbakt hu.AB KITAB TO LIKH CHUKE AUR LAKHO NE PADHA TAB USKO GALAT SABIT KAR NE KYA HOGA .LOG KAISI GALATI KI HAI YE DEKNE KE LIYE PAHALE HINDU HI USKO PADHTE THE PAR MUSALMAN BHI PADH RAHE HAI,DEKHE TO KOUN SI GALTI HAI IS ME.TAB BEWAKUF KOUN BANA RAVI SHANKAR KI DR ZAKIR NAIK.HINDU KI KOI BHI KTAB KHASKAR DHARMIK SOCH VICHAR SE NAHI LIKHI JATI.MOUJ SE ,AANAND SE, MASTI SE,PREM SE LIKHI JATI HAI.SOCH VICHAR SE TO KOI MASHIN ,YANTRA KE MAN JAISA ,JADBUDDHI WALA HI KAR SAKTA HAI JISKO APNA ULLU SIDHA KARNA HO WOHI AISE KAAM KAREGA.HINDU TO MAJE LETE HAI,ANAND ME DUBTE HAI AUR TUM UNKO BEWAKUF KAH RAHE HO. Abhi bhi der nahi hui jaag jao Atta dipa bhav khud ke diye khud bano.

  129. jai shankar says

    Adan jo hai wo bahut hi miss-understanding se bhari hai.Allahu Akbar -god is great matlab allah mahan hai.ye sabit karta hai ki allah mahan pahle nahi tha ab mahan hai.ex.deta hu taki samaj me aasani hogi, jab hum chote bachhe ko jab bada hua to kahte hai aadmi hua ab baccha nahi raha.Admi ko hum bada kahte hai is liye ki kabhi wo chota tha us ke mukable me. TO YAHA ALLAH IS GREAT KAHNA KI KABHI WO SIMIT KABILE TAK RAHA HO AUR AB MAHAN HO GAYA HO.KABHI WO BHI MAHAN NAHI THA AISA SIDDHA HOTA HAI.AUR EK BAAT PUKTA HAI KI ALLAH MAHAN NAHI HAI WO KAISE DEKHO ‘ALLAH MAHAN HAI ‘AUR ‘MAHAN JO HAI WO ALLAH HAI ‘ IN DONO ME BHED KYA HAI PAHLE ME SIRF ALLAH KI AURO KE SAAT TULNA HUI,AUR BHI MAHAN HO SAKTA HAI YE NA DIKHANE KE LIYE. PAR DUSRE ME JO JO BHI MAHAN HOGA WO ALLAH HOGA.TULNA KE LIYE KOI BHI NAHI BACHA.TO ADAN KA PAHLA SENTENCE HI GALAT HO RAHA HAI MAHAN JO HAI WO ALLAH HAI AISA AGAR KAHA HOTA TO BAAT SAHI THI.AUR IS ME EK KHAMI HAI JO NAJAR NAHI AATI.ALLAH AGAR MAHAN HO GAYA TO JO CHOTA HAI AANU KE JAISA HAI WO KOUN HAI ? YE MANA KI ALLAH MAHAN HAI TAB SAWAL UTHTA HAI KI CHOTE SE AANU ME KOUN HAI?YAHA SARE MUSLIMO KO HAAR MANNI PADTI HAI.PAR HINDU KAHTE HAI AANU RENU SE BHI CHOTA AUR MAHAN SE BHI MAHAN WO HAI.(ANURENUYAT MAHTOMAHT ) AB TUM HI SOCHO KOUN SAHI HAI AUR KOUN GALAT.ADAN KA PAHALA VAKYA HI AADHA HAI TO BAKI SAB KAISE PURNA HOGA. JAGO MUSLIMO JAGO HINDU TUMSE KAHI AAGE JA CHUKE HAI AUR TUM ABHI BHI SOYE HO.SUBHAH HO CHUKI HAI AUR TUM CHADAR ODH KE MAT SO O !

  130. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @Ankur

    Verse:
    “say we believe in Allah and that which hath been sent down unto us and that which was sent down unto Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqub and the tribes,and that which was given to Musa and lsa, and that which was given to the (other) prophets from their Lord; we differentiate not between any of them, and unto Him are submissive.(2:136)”.

    Your words:
    “so the first verse(2:136) says that there is no distinction exists for a beleiving muslim in any of the revelations for jews & christians(& others) and Islam.”
    Re:
    See, What is Allah saying in the verse, Allah says,” we should BELIEVE In Allah & which has been sent unto Muhammad & to other prophets i.e Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqub, Musa and lsa & other Prophets.
    And should believe in all & differentiate not any of them (Prophet) [ when Allah say we shouldn't differentiate here Allah means to say we should BELIEVE IN ALL, that they all were Prophets, If we say we believe in some & don't believe in some of them then it means we are DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THEM.]
    Yes their is no distinction for a believing Muslim in any of the revelations that has been sent to them [Again here we should BELIEVE IN ALL BOOKS in order to create no any distinction, that these were given to the Prophets i.e Torah, Zaboor, Injeel, Qur’an & many other books we don’t know their names (as in Qur’an by name there are mentioned only 4 books so we know the names of only 4 books).

    So we shouldn’t differentiate among Prophets & their books. But what is the SCALE by which one can measure that one is differentiating or not? That SCALE is “ONES BELIEF”.
    IF I SAY I BELIEVE IN ALL PROPHETS & IN ALL BOOKS IT MEANS I”M NOT DIFFERENTIATING.
    The verse doesn’t say to follow the teachings of all books. Go read the Tafseer of this verse. There is another verse, says “if someone wanna believe in some & disbelieve in some they wanna create distinction & they are the real kafirz” (Qur’an).

    Verse:
    “O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Nazarenes as friends: friends they are to each other: and whosoever of you befriendeth them, verily he is of them; verily Allah guideth not a wrong-doing people.(5:51)”.

    Your words:
    “(5:51) forbids the same beleiving muslim not to take jews and christians(who ufortunately believe in the revelations to which a beleiving muslims must make not distinction as per 2:136) as friend as they are enemies of Islam(because they are christians & Jews as they belive in the earlier revelations of Allah) and are cursed?”
    Re:
    The above verse doesn’t say Jews were cursed (because of their sins) but there is another verse which say so.
    I had explained already that verse forbids the Muslims from taking *Patronage* from Jews & Christians. They can b remained as friends as long as one keep his/her faith In Islam strong & if ones aim is to Dawah.
    (“God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them 60:8) (Do not argue with the people of the Book, unless it is in the politest manner.”(29:46)

    They are not believing in the same book Bible ( Torah & Injeel) which was revealed by Allah but they are believing the book being concocted. Bible (combined form of Gospel & Law) is a concocted form, christians have no proof to back up their cult of a religion. Their book has been changed dozens of times just to suit themselves and to suit the times changing. One shouldn’t change the word of God just because times have changed, that wont make it Gods word anymore it will make it man made or one can say concocted/interpolated.

    According to Qur’an Gospel & Law are “Mansukh” means their teachings were for the people of that time only.

    There is no contradiction.

  131. Javed says

    All hindus out here,
    i apologise sincerely for my previous comments how i talked about your religion,.
    also i apologise on behalf of all those who did the same,.
    i will not add much, only that we respect your beliefs, onto you your religion and onto me mine.

    • hinduagnostic says

      we can do that we are not attacking islam only trying to remove lies made by others about our religion

      • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

        @hinduagnostic

        Your words;
        “we can do that we are not attacking islam only trying to remove lies made by others about our religion.”

        Re;
        Really? Maybe you are the doing so. But all Hindus don’t do so. They just mock Islam. Yet we Muslims are trying to remove misconceptions about Islam. We are helping non-Muslims because we are worry for them that if they don’t accept the truth they would have to roasted in Hell-Fire!

        • SDC says

          Now, Maria whether you have realized it or not but you already have insulted our faith. Your superficial concern for us being roasted in hell fire for supposedly following satanic (Hindu) beliefs tantamount to an indirect affront to all practicing Hindus.

          • Maria (IslamicDefence) says

            @SDC

            I didn’t insulted your faith. Bring here my statements through which i insulted. What I said it’s just my belief. According to my faith if any Muslim will do wrong he would also have to be roasted in Hell-Fire.
            Quran teaches me “dont insult others faith”. I’m not Insulting in any way.

          • SDC says

            “We are helping non-Muslims because we are worry for them that if they don’t accept the truth they would have to roasted in Hell-Fire!”

            So, you mean to say their beliefs are false. Is this not an insult?

          • Maria IslamicDefence says

            @SDC

            Nah! This is not an insult in any way when I say your belief is wrong.
            Do you mean to say you’re Insulting by taking my belief as wrong?
            If you’re insulting others then Y r u trying to convince me to not insult others?
            Or do you mean you’re not insulting others considering Islam to b true belief ? Come one brother! stop prattling at least. If a someone is an Atheist it means he considers other to b wrong, same for all other people beliefs because truth is only one.

          • Truth Seeker says

            @Maria
            Prophet said kill the non-believers wherever you found them and killing of women and children also legitimate if they belong from kaffirs/non-believer as per prophet of Islam.

          • SDC says

            Then in that case, why do you object to others calling Mohammad a rapist, pedophile, and looter based on his actions? And, why do you have to address them as hatemongers and his teachings not worthy of emulation? At least, an atheist will be far better than a muslim as he will not issue death warrants against those who do not believe in atheism. At best, he can make fun of those.

          • SDC says

            Then in that case, why do you object to others calling Mohammad a rapist, pedophile, and looter based on his actions? And, why do you have to address them as hatemongers and his teachings not worthy of emulation? At least, an atheist will be far better than a muslim as he will not issue death warrants against those who do not believe in atheism. At best, he can make fun of them.

    • Raj says

      My dear friend Javed,

      I only read hate comments on various sites especialy between Hindu and Muslims and never ever said anything to anybody. You are the only one whom I talking to regarding this, We as Hindu or Sanatan or more precisly as human being sees God in every creature, Therefore never hurts anybody’s sentiments by claim God is our only or by hurting others in any mean in the name of religion, doing so we actuly going against the God. I don’t know what your earlier comment was, but I can say that people like you are the real son of God or allah. A lot to say but I will be closing by saying that the ‘God is one and he is watching.’

  132. jai shankar says

    @rsdfgg,pagalonme awwal,tu pahale apne chitt ko saf kar,shudh kar sab vishwas se mukt ho ja swikar kar ki allah ek mithak hai,false concept hai,muhammad ki dimagi soch hai.fir tuze mai ved ka gyan dunga….ha.ha.ha..bina allah ka vichar liye ved ka gyan nahi mil sakta tu quran chod .ved ka eshwar tabhi samaj me aata hai, jab man sahit sari indriya samapt hoti hai.sirf shudh aatma hi ved ke eshwar ko dekh sakti hai. “‘yato vache nirvtrantre mansa sah aanandam brameti vidvan na bhibheti kadachan”‘ tu ye dushit man se ved ke eshwar ko nahi jaan sakta.allah khud dushit raha hoga isliye to us ne gande man ko saaf karne ki baat hi nahi ki??ha.ha.ha….sirf sharir dhone se koi shudh hota to sabun bananewale sabse bade kahlate???ha.ha.ha….

  133. jai shankar says

    @TRUE MUSLIM,wa bhai kya khub baat kahi?? Ye kaise sabit hoga ki allah zinda bhi ya murda bhi hai? Agar tum usko zinda kahte ho to kaha jivan bita raha,jee kaha raha hai???sanse kaha le raha hai??ab jab jinda hai to uska food kya hai???wo jivan kis stan me bita raha hai,duniya ke andar ya duniya ke bahar?? ha.ha.ha….wo zinda hai to marta kyo nahi?? Kyo ki zinda hota hai use marna bhi padega,nahi zinda kyo hua??ha.ha.ha.. ab tum kahoge ki wo na zinda hai na mara hai amar hai to amar allah zinda aur murda ko kaise pahachanega??kyo ki jo zinda hoga wahi to murda hona kya hai ye janega aur jo murda hoga wo hi zinda hona kya hai isko janega??to ye zinda aur murda amar allah ko bina exprience ke kaise pata chalega??kya wo bhi kabhi mara hai????ha .ha.ha…ALLAH EK MITHAK HAI,EK FALSE CONCEPT HAI..ye siddha hua.

  134. jai shankar says

    @maria,kyo jhuti tasalli de rahi ho..man ki suraksha kar ke Truth se nahi bach sakti. Satya akhir satya hota hi hai.tum kahti ho mai kisi bhi faith ka insult nahi karti aur koi muslim wrong hai to allah dojakh ki aag me dalega to.yahi to hum nahi chahte ki tum dojhak ki aag me na pado.HUM ARYA VEDANTI ALLAH SE BHI JYADA MERCIFUL AUR PEACEFUL HAI.KOI BHI AADMI WRONG HO TO BHI WO BHAGWAN SE MIL SAKTA HAI.hamara bhagwan wrong logonpar mercy dikhata hai prem dhikhata hai.krishna ko jisne teer mara us nishad bhil ko usne maf kiya.kya muhammad ko koi mar dalata to wo use zinda chodkar usko maf karta ki ki tune aaccha kiya muze mara????itani daya aur karuna muhammad dikhata jaise krishna ne dhikhai??

    • Maria IslamicDefence says

      @jai shankar

      As my native language is Urdu not Hindi, the words of yours I didn’t make understand “suraksha” & “Satya akhir satya hota hi hai”.

      However, I get all over what you said. You say that you Vedanti r more peaceful. yes there’re but NOT all. I have seen myself many rancorous scurrilous ferocious hate mongers among u. In my last comment I said “I didn’t insult your faith”. If you are not agree I’m sure I’ll not get heart attack. Keep on disagreeing!

      And he say: O my Lord! these are a folk who believe not. So turn away from them and say (to them): Salam (peace)! They will come to know soon.(43:88-89)

      So I turn away & say “Peace”.

      Surah109:
      1- Say: O you who reject your faith.
      6- To you be your way to me mine.

      So I say, unto you your faith unto me mine.

      • raj.hyd says

        @ mariya ….ji yah jo apne kutran ki anaram ayte pesh ki hai vamakki ayte hai jio kuran ki any ayto se radd ho chuki hai jara kuran ki garam ayte bhi dekh lijiye dekhe kuran 9/123 jisme kurani allah muslimo se kahate hai ki apne aspas ke gairmuslimo se lado aur unpar salkhti karo ! dekhe kuran 33/61 jisme fitkare huye gair muslim jahan kahi paye jayenge buiri tarah katl kiye jayenge ! dekhe kuran 8/65 jisme kurani allah muahammad ji se kahate hai ki muslimo ko jehad ke liye ubhaaro ? agar vah 20 muslim jame rahe to vqh 200 gair muslimo par prabhavi honge ? jis kitab me aisi bate ho uski to sangati hi turant chhod deni chahiye samajh dar muslim manvata vadi muslim intarnet me likhne vale muislim padhe likhe muslimo ko to yah kary turant kar lena chahiye isme jyada samajhdari kahalayi jayegi !

        • True Muslim says

          Haan aap ney sahi quote kya hai lakin aap sirf ayaat uthatey hai jo context kay bahir hota hai aur dosron ko bhadka rahay hai tau aap ki galat femi hai k hm bhadkay gaen kyun hum saidhay raastay par hain…… Allah apnay bandon ki hamesha madad karta hai is liya jab Musalman sifr 313 aur kaafir 1000 thay phir bhi musalman battle jeeth gaye tha kyun k sab kuch Allah kay haath main hootha hai aur wo apnay momin bandon ki madad zaroor karta hai………

          • raj.hyd says

            @true muslim, jab kuran hi betarteeb hai to fir hamko kyo dosh de rahe hai? jis ayat ka hamne sabut diya hai vah kyo muslimo ke liye pesh ki gayi ? kurani allah to muhhamd ji ko santan dekar bhi unki ankho ke samne chhin leta hai ! batlaiye kurani alalh ne santan di kyo aur kyo chhin li ?jab kurani allah ka hi sidha rasta bnahi hai tab usko manne vale kaise sidhe raste par ho sakte hai ? yuddh karke to pakistan bhi ban gaya fir bhi pakistanapne ko pura bacha nahi paya aaj bhi ashanti ki bharmar pakistan me maujud hai muahammd ji ko majburan kahana pada ki islam 73 firko me bant jayega aj to yah 350 firko me bant chuka hai batlaiye kurani allah ko yah sab kyo manjur hua muahammd ji ke damad v sasur aur unke navase husain ji muslimo ke hatho hi mare jaye yah kurani allah ko kyo manjur huya? amerika ke hantho saddam husain aur laden kyo mara gaya yah kurani allah ko kyo manjur huya ?aj islami atankvadi kai lakh manushyo ki hatya kar hai hai aur muslim bhi mare ja rahe hai yah kyo kurani allah ko manjur ho raha hai ?

  135. raj.hyd says

    @ Mariya ji kuran kitni ajeeb kitab hai? ap kuran se apne paksh me achhi ayate bhi pesh kar leti hai aur hamko bhi kuran ki gandi ayte bhi mil jati hai jo manvta ke viruddh hoti hai itni paraspar virodhi bate kuran me kyo hai ?

    • True Muslim says

      Raj.hyd…Allah Pak ney challenge kia tha kaafon ko k agar tm Quran ko galat samjty ho tau sirf aik aisa chapter bnao…..Allah ye kehtay hai 2/22 keh .”And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur’an) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful.”

  136. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @Truth seeker

    Prophet (PBUH) said kill the non-believers wherever you found them in battle field.
    Your words:
    killing of women and children also legitimate if they belong from kaffirs/non-believer as per prophet of Islam.
    Re:
    False charge!
    It is narrated by Ibn ‘Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah forbade the killing of women and children. (Sahih Al Bukhari chapter Prohibition of women & child in war)

    Ibn Umar reported: Prophet (PBUH) said, “A believer continues to guard his Faith so long as he does not shed blood unjustly”.
    [Al-Bukhari].

  137. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @raj.hyd

    You point out three verses , iIll explain them.
    ==>O Ye who believe! fight the infidels who are near unto you, and surely let them find in you sternness, and know that Allah is with the God-fearing, (9:123)
    Explanation:
    This verse is about the fighting in battle-field or with those kafirz who try to terrorize Muslims. If a non-Muslims doesn’t harm Muslims then this order would not apply. (1) Ibn Umar reported: Prophet (PBUH) said, “A believer continues to guard his Faith so long as he does not shed blood unjustly”.[Al-Bukhari].(2) Qur’an says: “God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them.” (60:8) A just & fair commander of an Army will give the same instructions to his soldiers. And If someone try to hurt u with a gun would u not fight with him with a mop? would that look peaceful or not?

    ==>Truly if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City, desist not, We shall certainly stir thee up against them: then will they not be able to stay in it as thy neighbours for any length of time: (33:60)
    Abdul Daryabadi : Accursed; wherever found they shall be laid hold of and slain with a relentless slaughter.(33:61)
    Explanation:
    Do you know here what “Hypocrites” really mean? When u look at history you would know at the time of war some Mushrikeen of Makkah claimed to b accepted Islam but in really they were Hypocrite. There aim was to deliver the secret plans of Muslims to Non-Muslims by falsely pretending as Muslims there aim was just to make the Muslims to lick the dust in war -They were Hypocrites. Allah ordered to kill them, This is the most wise & right decision, can b made by any commander of army. If now such a hypocrite is caught by
    someone I hope you know well what happen to him.

    ==>O Prophet! urge the believers unto fighting. If there be twenty of you persevering, they will overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred, they will overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, for they are a people who understand not.(8:65)
    Explanation:
    Same as (9:123). Here Allah is giving courage to the Muslims. He assure Muslims of His help. nothing is wrong with it.
    In Burma more than 30000 Muslims are killed by Budhisht non-Muslims, 4000 were burnt alive, 90,000 are made force to leave their country. Thus far, the 10 million Muslims of Burma are reduced to 500 thousand; and only Allaah subhanahu wa ta’Ala knows what really happened to 9,500,000.What about all these? Jihad is necessary here.The Word Jihad actually stems from Juhd, to strive/struggle. This is encouraged and can be for anything to please God. It is a jihad to get up in the morning to go to pray and to go to work, it is a jihad to go school in the rain. etc.

    Personal Jihad: The most excellent jihad is that of the soul. This jihad, called the Jihadun-Nafs, is the intimate struggle to purify the soul of satanic influence–both subtle and overt. It is the struggle to cleanse one’s spirit of sin. This is the most important level of jihad.

    Verbal Jihad: On another occasion, the Prophet said, “The most excellent jihad is the speaking of truth in the face of a tyrant.” He encouraged raising one’s voice in the name of Allah on behalf of justice.

    Physical Jihad: This is combat waged in defense of Muslims against oppression and transgression by the enemies of Allah, Islam and Muslims. We are commanded by Allah to lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone, but also to defend ourselves against oppression by “fighting against those who fight against us.” This “jihad with the hand” is the aspect of jihad that has been so profoundly misunderstood in today’s world.

    • anti-agniveer says

      @budhism hinduon ka eik part hai, hindu apni counting barhane k liye budhuon ko bhi hindu mante hain. bodh dharam apne aap ko ahinsa/non-violence ka mazhab batlata hai aur burma main aurto ka rape karna logon ko zinda jalana aam baat hai.

      rohingiye musalman mehnat kush mazdoor hain jo ki kisi had tak buzdil hain, wahan do girls ne islam accept kar liya tha isliye sara hungama hua..

      maloom rahe ki India mein dwarika eik city hai jo shri krishna ki taraf mansoob hai usmein 5000 temples hain….aur phir bhi aryasamji kehte hain hindu dharam mein moorti ki ibadat nahi hoti??? phir hindu mazhab kahan hai???

      jo mazhab eik city mein 5000 temples rakhta ho woh eik soonsaan jagah banai masjid kisi ki paidaish ki jagah ka naam dekar tor deta hai woh bhi us shakhs ki paidaish jiska yeh to pata nahi ki woh tha bhi ya nahi aur tha to kab tha kahan tha? yani pre historical aadmi hai aur sirf kahaniyan hi mansoob hain uski taraf..

      thailand wale kehte hain ki woh thailand mein paida hua tha aur wahan ram mandir bhi hai??????

      arya samji unki hayat se mutalliq bahut se baton ko nahi mante jaise ki seeta ko zinda aag mein jalana?? jabki yeh unki mazhabi kitab mein likha hua hai..

      is tarah hum keh sakte hain ki agar eik forum mein 50 hindu comment kar rahe hon to woh 50 mazhab/aqeede hain kiyunki har hindu alag aqeeda rakhta hai.. aap raj.hyd ko dekhiye bilkul alag aqeeda hai.. voh vedon ya koi bhi kitab ki baat jo use sahi na lage reject kar deta hai.

      yaani vedon k ishwar se zyada woh jaanta hai ya yun kahein k lakho saal mein sirf chaar rishi itne upar pahunch paye aur unke dil itne saaf ho paye ki unko ved mila to unse bhi zyada wsaaf dil raj.hyd ka hai kiyunki agar koi baat ved ghalat dikhti hai to raj reject kar deta hai??? to kiya un azeem rishiyon ko bhi woh baatein ghalat nahi lagi jo raj.hyd ko lagti hai???

      to mahan kon hua?? ab samjhe kitna confusing mazhab hai hinduism.

      • raj.hyd says

        124000 kalpit nabi rasool manne vale , faishto v jinno ki fauj ko manne vale , huro aur gilmo ki fauj ko manne vale 73 firko me islam bant jayega iska anuman lagane vale muhammad ji kya isko ek hi majahaba kaha jayega hamare pas to 315 fir ko me islam banta huya uski lisht hai vah 50 sal pahale ki kitab hai ab to aur bhi kai hisso me bant chuka hai ? ham kyo kisi bjhi kitab ke giulam nbane agarsakshat ishwar bhi hamko galat adesh denge jo hamara “vivek ” svikar karne se inkar karega usko bhi ham hargij nahi manana pasand karenge hamaremata pita ji adi bhi jinhone hamko pala posa hai hamare upar apni mehant se lkamaya huya dhan khatrch kiya hai unki bhi galat bat manna hamko svikar nahi hai 1 ham manushy hai kisi ke gulamnahi hai yah kary to janwar kiya karta hai janwar v manushy me yahi antar hua karta hai ! jaise muslim dargao me jakar mannete mangte hai vaise adhikansh hindu kahe jane vale murtipuja bhi kiya karte hai ! dono galat hai isliye ham donoi kary nahi kiya karte hai !

    • says

      Hi Maria,
      Didn’t want to come in between but could not help it… Just want to add….. For ur kind info Rohingyas are not citizen of Burma.. They illegally come and settle there.. Burma dont consider them as their citizen… Then as per ur logic given above If Burmese buddhist do jehad for protecting their land and then why u r crying foul…I can understand ur position because they are muslim so burmese need to be critisize….

      Maria@”the 10 million Muslims of Burma are reduced to 500 thousand; and only Allaah subhanahu wa ta’Ala knows what really happened to 9,500,000.What about all these? Jihad is necessary here”
      Forget above burma ,Lets talk abt ur own country,,, In 1947 The Hindu population in Pakistan was 20% and now it 2 or 3% where all those people has gone… I feel got evaporated… In Bangladesh it was 30% and know less than 10%…. Then as per ur logic Why Non Muslim should not do jihad in Pakistan and Bangla?If some people do it burma then u don’t have right to question also because they r paying in ur own coin. Those hindus in paki are also not even in the battle field… In recent time we heard news that the hindus were migrating to India because of extortion, jiziya,kidnap, rape and forced conversion…. Why jehad against them? They are not in the battlefiled… And I know u will say those perpetrators are not following Islam and give us a gyan of peace and all… but if u ask them they will say they are the true believers… In baloch, Syria there are no Non-muslim to kill Muslim. and here u will blame India and USA conspiracy…. My god u muslim will be in the dream state only..wake up…

      Those Burma people has just shown muslim the mirror and if muslim face is ugly then why to blame those burmese…

      Now pls carry on with ur religious debate.

  138. jai shankar says

    @maria,kyo wrong defence kar rahi ho,battle me tum kisi ka bhi katl kar sakte ho??? Allah aisa kahta hai??is ka matalab kya sab all musalman battal ke ground me khade hai kya???koi bhi ‘batal’ki aad me hatya kare to kya wo hatyara nahi hoga kya?to tumara dimag kharab hai??ye muhammad jiske haat me sada talwar hi rahthi thi,us ke upar sada jang ka hi bhut khada rahta tha.jo mass murderar hai,hatyara hai.isko chipane ke liye usne ye allah ke aad se chupa katl ka paigam diya hai.sword par peace likhane se agar wo peace ho jayega to jarur us aadmi ka dimag kharab ho gaya hai.usko jaldi se pagalkhane bhej dena chahiye.ye muhammad jo sada jung ka hi vichar kartha tha,us ki dimag me jung hi jung thi tab allah ki aad se khud katl karne ko kah raha hai.usko kabhi bhi ye khayal nahi aaya ki khoon se khoon hi failta hai na ki prem.agar wo saccha peace wala hota to gali dene tak ko dartha. SHARIRIK,MANSIK,AATMIK ye char hinsa ke prakar hai.to sharir se hinsa karo ye to kahta hai.par phir man se aur aatma se kya kare ye kyo nahi batata???? kya allah sirf murda sharir ko aadmi samaj raha hai to wo kaisa aalim hua??? Usko ye aadmi marta bhi hai ya nahi ye bhi malum hai kya??? Agar wo dharm ka palan kar raha hai aur jannat me jayega.to lion tumko kha jaye aur tum bhi kuch na karo kyo ki wo battal nahi kar raha, aapna dharm nibha raha hai.to muhammad ne is ke babat to kuch nahi kaha ??? Ye quran fake dene jaisi hai.jisme peace ka kam aur jung ka jyada zikr hai.

    • anti-agniveer says

      @pagal-shankar, sabse zyada to peace ka zikr budhuon mein hai to phir dekha tumne burma main yeh peace lower kiya kar rahe hain?

      aur islam k acoording jo lare use maro aur jo hathiyar daal de use mat maro aisa hai. aur jo tum pagal ki bakwas kar rahe ho ki battle mein kisi ki bhi maar do to tumhari samajh mein kami hai kiyunki ved parh parh kar tum chakra chuke ho.

      pagal aadmi kiya battle ground olympic ka ground hai ki koi bhi wahan khelne k liye ya tamashe ke liye khara hoga. jo wahan ayega larne ki liye hi ayega???

      • raj.hyd says

        jo apna nam bhi nahi likh pate hai vah islam ki shiksha de bada ajeeb lagta hai ! aaj vah apna arbii nam jan bijhkar chod rahe hao kal ko vah islam ko chod sakte hai ! yah to matr ek shuruat hai ! jara jain samuday bhi dekh lijiye vah jyada ahinsak hai ! buddh samuday bhi ahinsak hua karta tha ! ab ubme shiksha ki kami hogi tabhi vah hinsa ka prayas kar rahe hai vah unhone islam se sikhi hogi ! jo 30 sal se islam hinsa ki niti par chal raha hai usko dekha karke badle ki niti unhone apnayi hogi ! afar vahaisa nahi karte to jyada achha rahata !

        • anti-agniveer says

          @pagal-raj, tum log kitne kharab dil k log ho. kiya tum news parhte? wahan total safaya ho rahahai aur zulm ho raha hai aur tuam samarthan kar rahe ho?

          agar koi tumhare ghar ki aurat ka rape karde to kiya tum bhi rape karoge? yeh bhi to zulm hoga. hum kabhi bhi aisi baat ka support nahi karte aur burma main kai baar genocide ho chuka hai.

          isi k liye to quran mein farmaya hai ki tum un k liye kiyun nahi larte jo fariyaad karte hain is basti k log zalim ho gaye hain aye Allah tu humari madad farma.

          • raj.hyd says

            @anti agniveer, hamne kab varma ki hinsa ka samarthan kiya hai jakar dekhiye siriya me uske pahale libiya me muslim hi muslim ki hatya kar rahe the ! aj har hafte 2000′[ do hajar ] muslimo ki hatya siriya me ho rahi hai muslim chuop kyo hai ? irak me kai lakh islami atankvadiyo ne shiya muslimo ki hatya kar di muslim chup kyo hai ? 53 muslim desh mayanmar se apne rajnayik sambandh kyo nahi tod lete ? amerika se muslim desh ssmbandh kyo nahi tod lete muslim hitaishi bharat sarkar mayanmar se sambandh kyo nahi tod leti ? fir bhi muslim kangres ko vot dete hai kya ya muslimo ka doharapan nahi hai? fir ap muslimo ko pagal kahane ke bajaye aap hamko pagal kahana pasand karte hai ? kya yah apka doharapan nahi hai?

      • Truth Seeker is against rapist prophets Mohammed says

        @anti-agniveer
        Bhai anti-agniveer Islamic nam nahi hai. Kripaya kaffiro ke nam v riti-rivajo ko copy na karo.

  139. jai shankar says

    @anti agniveer,iska matlab pani,tum sharm se pani pani ho rahe ho kya??ya dimag ice jaisa jam gaya hai kya??? ye true muslim ne kaha ki allah everywhere hai.ha.ha…ab agar wo everywheare hai,to barma ke logon me ghus gaya hoga.aur agar everywhere nahi hai above earth hai,sky hai to tamasha kyo dekh raha hai??ye to agnipariksha ho rahi allah ki ,wo hai ya nahi?? iska arth mai burma me jo hisa ho rahi hai,iska main samarthan nahi kar raha hu.hatya karna uchit nahi hai.par tum kaise muslim ho allah koi bhi madat nahi kar raha phir bhi tum usko yakin kar rahe ho.bangla desh me ek majid ke upar bijli giri aur 11 log jisme,imam bhi shamil the ,kya ye bijli allah ne girai??? Kyo ki akash aur zamin ko usne banaya to bijli bhi uski ho gayi?ye kaisa allah hai ??apne hi longo marta dekh raha hai.mar raha hai??? Ye allah mithak hai ye siddha hota hai.

  140. jai shankar says

    @anti agniveer,jab muhammad battle kar rahe the,to wo kya peaceful the?? kisi ke birthday par koi pahuche aur apni talwar uske gardan par rakh ke kahe ki ”happy birth day tu you” aur koi guldaste ,gift liye pahuche aur kahe ki happy birth day tu you to tum kisko sahi samjoge???muhammad yahi galti kar raha hai,swords par likha hai,’peace hi mera dharm hai’ marna,marvana,katna,katwana ye peace hai???111 ayate to quran me marne aur marjane ke jikr se bhari hai,jo ayate peace peace kah rahi hai,wo muhammad khud dar gaya hoga,is liye nikali hogi.kyo ki jab aadmi safe hota hai to darta nahi par unsafe hota hai tabhi peace peace chillata hai.ek myan me do swords nahi rahti. hatya aur peace dono virudha hai ye ek hi quran me kaisi rahegi????

    • Maria IslamicDefence says

      @Jai shankar

      Careful hothead! I can sense your hatred. Your are seeming like a most hateful person. All over I get by reading your whimsical post is ‘you cannot understand English completely therefore you didn’t get what I posted’. So read the Urdu replies of another Muslim brother, maybe you get something. Let me ask you a questions If you wanna peace your aim is to spread peace then why are you so hateful? But You’re Just hating condemning your aim is just fighting . So it means your aim is not to spread peace in any way then why do you want from Islam to be peaceful? All you typed is just disgusting but I have to sequester/digest it.

    • raj.hyd says

      jab muahmmad ji kamjor the tab vah shanti ki bat karte the! vah sex ke bhukhe the isliye unka apne samudayo se vivad tha! jab kisi ki kanya ko sex ki nigah se dekhoge , tab malom hone par vivad to hoga hi ! muahammad ji ko do hio to shauk the sex aur satta ! tabhi unko chip kar chori se darkar mecca se madeena bhagkar jana pada kurani allah bhi unki mecca me raksha karne me kamjor sabit huye ! jab vah takatvar ho gaye fir unhone hinsa ki bat markat ki bat ki mekka me kisi gair muslim ko rahane nahi diya ! bas iske bad hatyao ka daurchalta raha jo ajtak chal raha hai kuran ki kuch ayato me jo shanti ka sanndesh deti gvah bahut pahale ki hai isliye kuran ko betarteeb rup me pesh kiya gaya hai ! jaise tash ke patte fent diye jate hai ! kahi mecci ayte hai aur kahi madeeni ayte hai ! kis dhang se kuran ki ayte kurani khuds nepesh ki thi us tarah se yah kuran hargij nahi haia muahammd ji ke marne ke kareeb 25 sal bad vartman kuran kitab ki shakl me pesh ki gayi thi !

  141. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @GP

    Jihad cannot b done only in battle field but it can be everywhere whenever someone try to shed blood of Muslims unjustly. In Burma Innocent Muslims are killed by Budhisht non Muslims . Moreover What about the innocent Muslims 106 000 documented
    civilian death in Iraq by American Soldiers, or the 47 000 in
    Kashmir, or in Afaghanistan, or in Palestine.What about the more than 6-10 million Muslims killed by American Soldiers in 2003? These 6-10 million were
    fighting 4 their freedom, not to terrorize the people. In Burma more than 30000 Muslims are killed by Budhisht non-Muslims, 4000 were burnt alive, Mosque were destroyed, Thus far, the 10 million Muslims of Burma are reduced to 500 thousand; and only Allaah subhanahu wa ta’Ala knows what really happened to 9,500,000.What about all these? Hitler was Jew or a Christian 60 million were killed by him. Moreover in the name of Christianity 1000 of people were killed by Christian just to convert them into Christianity.
    So do you mean that there are terrorist only among Muslims therefore what Budhist are doing & what is going around on Innocent Burma living Muslims ‘Is all this okay?

  142. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @GP

    *Edit*
    Jihad cannot b done *not* only in battle field but it can *also* be *done* everywhere whenever someone try to shed blood of Muslims unjustly.

    • says

      U said many thing but means nothing….. First of all Rohingyas are not citizen of Burma but of Bangladesh… and bangladesh already got freedom from Pakistan… The height is that u are mentioning them freedom fighter…. from whom… it is not their country and ur so called muslim bangladesh rejected them… I think they should fight with bangladesh for accepting them as their citizen.

      2)Riots was started after Rohingyas killed Buddhist women and raped them. But as per quran they are allowed..(by ur word rohingyas killed/shed blood of buddhist unjustly and buddhist did the jihad)… .. But this time the buddhist repercussion was so severe that this muslim need to run for their life….. and people like u blame burmeses.. They have every right to protect their land and women as they are the son of that land. This Bangladeshi muslim are involves in riots, dacoits and all anti social elements in India also.
      3) I have asked u about the balochistani where u guys are shedding their blood unjustly of ur owm muslim brothers but u talked about the whole world which u urself dont have much idea….. If hitler kills jew, Christian kill in the name of Christianity then it doesn’t give certificate to muslim to kill all non muslim…
      4) Paki Hindu, They didnt shed muslim’s blood… then why are they are migrating…. here u prefer to keep quite..
      5) If u repeating like parrot that doesnt mean Islam is peaceful… U only onetrack mind.. U might be good in person and but very fearful to ? ur belief….. And u simply justifying every violent act by giving some cherry picking quote from quran…
      6) American came to afghan in search of Osama(after 911) and they fought with taliban and they didnt kill because they are muslim…. People like u always denied the presence of Osama but atlast he was find in ur own backyard…..
      7) If paki muslim were so much sympathy with bangla muslim then y those banladeshi fought freedom fight with Paki…. Just search in google for how many bangladesh has been killed by Paki muslim,,, It will be definitely more than Rohingyas…
      8 In syria no americans are involved…..
      9) It is because Islam is most violent religion of the world.. they cannot co- habit like a normal human’s… They always want to supress other’s but sometime the non-mus reacts then people like u come into defence by quoting some quote ….. hehe pity.
      10) Sharing with u video of baloch and it is not from Non muslim country but from pakistan media…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XwIXQHG7JQ&feature=related

      U claim ur self to be very peaceful but u r not …….. U r just a jackle in the guile of cow…

      • anti-agniveer says

        @GP, this post seems to be Maria but i am sorry to interrupt,
        1)from ur comment i conclude that P stands for Pandey???
        2)there are so many bhutani living India and they have many facilities for business then y are u not fighting for them? no rohingyas raped any woman instead two budhist girls converted to islam so some budhist hate mongers propagated that muslims raped two budhist women and they started genocide of muslims. it is third genocide of rohingya muslims in burma.

        u are so big hate monger pandit that u are saying by the quran rohingyas allowed to rape and shed the blood of budhus? can u prove it from Quran?
        if we accept that they have raped two girls then it doesnt allow u to genocide whole community? is there no law and order?

        3)balochistani matter should be replied by Maria. i only can say that Islam nowhere allowed to kill innocent peoples and whoever is doing that he doing against the teachings of Islam and we condemn it.

        4) earlier u said that in 1947 there were 20% hindus in pak? I dont know what do u mean ie before partition or after partition? BTW i have never heard such genocide of paki Hindus as muslims are suffering in most of the part of world.
        above all pak is a bad example of any muslim country and it’s democracy is not stabilized but whatever the case it is the duty of paki govt to protect the minority, who can deny it?

        5)it is solely Maria’s matter i cant understand what u want to say.

        6)you can search on internet that 9/11 is the biggest lie of history and u must know that in general americans i/q is less than i/q of Indian (literate) so whatever their govt say the accept it for ex one Mr. page killed sikhs because he assumed them as Muslims because of Turban?? any school going kid can understand that american muslims do not wear Turban. some Afghani may wear turban but in rest of the world in general muslims do not wear Turban.

        so many incidents have been take place but still Americans are killing sikhs instead of muslims? can their government cant make them fool in the name of 9/11?

        do u think that talibni can do that act ? if u think so then do some reasearch..

        y americans killing Iraqis? which 9/11 they have done? the problem with Indian pandits and aryasamjis is this that they can never support any mazloom. they are always with Zalim so y Mr gadkari and his party keep on bowing infront of israelis.

        • says

          @anti agniveer
          Your name only suggest that you will speak negative only….. Arey bhai kam se kam naam tho teek rakte…

          1)Didn’t get what u mean to say or concluded…
          2) Bhuthani leaving in India illegally…. I dont thik so… Even if they did I dont think they are indulging in any anti social elements..
          In burma, I think you were there to witness the real situation…. and now world is blaming poor rohingyas…bias media, conspiracy… All hen’s of the world stop laying eggs because now they are busy in laying conspiracy against muslims:-)
          Burma govt never recgd them as their citizen so there is a age old grudge so it comes out in surface whenever it get a chance… That doesnt means Rohingyas are holy cow….. This ethnic are involved in anti social activity / terrorist activity world over…… So bhaisaab Burmese and Rohingyas is a political problem and not Muslim -Nonmuslim problem.. So pls dont give ur green colour to it……

          your words
          :”u are so big hate monger pandit that u are saying by the quran rohingyas allowed to rape and shed the blood of budhus? can u prove it from Quran?”
          “if we accept that they have raped two girls then it doesnt allow u to genocide whole community? is there no law and order?”
          My reply: One Muslim quotes quran and kill, rape and try to destroy non muslims and Other Muslim stand up and ask me to prove whether I can prove such act from Quran…….
          When Islamic invader came to Indian subcontinent they slaughter the entire buddist and hindu community in Afganistan in name of islam and allah,,,,,, There is mountain called Hindu kush ..where all cutted heads were dumped…
          Ejaz invade sindh common people has been slaughtered….So is the case of mh Gouri, gazhnavi, tipu sultan, auranzeb, akbar and many more.And todays bomblast where 100 of common innocent people are killed in name of allah… But Todays muslim dont see this holocaust and not even mention it.. All this has been done in the name of Jihad by quoting verses of Quran…. But if we say this then all the blame is imposed on us of conspiracy and height is that this all, we have to prove from Quran ….

          Muslim only talks about Minority rights, law and order only when they are minority…. but once they are majoity/ or already in majority then they will show there real colour eq: Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc… So Antiaginiveer I can understand ur stance….. good try….

          4) You can never hear the genocide in pak and bangla of Hindus because u deliberately chose to ignore it…… If u shows that u knows it then how can u play the drama of humanity, peace, etc So I can understand …..taqqyiya at work.. Muslim are suffering because of there own behaviour.. they cannot co habit peacefully with other groups and always try to bully others…
          Your word
          “above all pak is a bad example of any muslim country and it’s democracy is not stabilized but whatever the case it is the duty of paki govt to protect the minority, who can deny it?”

          My reply: Stop yaar…. u will kill me with ur sense of humour….. Pak represent Islam which is total failure….. By the way which country is good example of islam… Afghanistan,Bangladesh, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libiya,Iraq…..Pls Name the islamic country where democracy is stable?….. Pls majak mat udao bhai….
          6) I never told Osama did 911 and I know it is a lie…. us chuve ki haisiyat nahi hai… but he never told to media that he never did it but taliban giving threat to america of doing more attack…… I also seen how muslim in some countries were dancing and celebrating….. Fools… wat can we expect from them…. But Taliban destroy afganisthan… Pak and America used Taliban for their own purpose….. Now when America attack taliban then there must not be any question of Muslim -Nonmuslim… here why u guys giving green colour to it…. Pakistan was also involved in it….

          America attack Iraq because of Petro dollar , that means greed and not to kill innocent muslims then why u guys giving it a green colour and justifying jihad on America….. As Saddam also involved in genocide of Shia muslim…… So he is also not buddhas avatara….

          Your words”the problem with Indian pandits and aryasamjis is this that they can never support any mazloom. they are always with Zalim so y Mr gadkari and his party keep on bowing infront of israelis”

          My reply:
          Sawan ke andhe ko sab hara hi dikta hai”.. By the way I am not Arya samajis so Pls dont presumes things… Your’s history knowlege only started after islam conquer the Persia and Some part of india subcontinent….. You completely ignore so many Mazloom (iska matlab pata nahi ..i feel it is masum) has been slaughtered because they are not beleiving in Allah… parsis in India are the real living example…. but for people like u those people are not mazloom…… Pity on u….. Problem is that u see history from one point and I see history in continuity… Dont worry Law of Karma is at work….. Muslim will get paid for their Karma and it will b a matter of time only….

          If indias interest is with joining with Israels then we should join with them… We also agreed to buy the oil from Iran(Muslim country) going against USA restriction because it is in our interest, we also didn’t send our troop to Iraq…. But for u India’s interest doesnt matter,,,,, Only religion comes first….. U just exposed ur Ugly face….. When times comes u will go against India if any muslim country attack India….. India enemies are not outside but within……

  143. jai shankar says

    @maria, what is meaning of,peaceful??can you undersatnd peaceful carefully??? peaceful mind does not understand fights.peace is a mind condition all thoughts are go down,he don’t understand who enemy and who friend.only peace is exists.allah himself does not understand peace.he Haterated jews and Isais,unbelievers.why you dont understand peace? Your defination of peace is very poor, fully wrong.kill others he think i was killed.that is the peace.you are only crying peace peace peace but no exprience of peace.search first peace and then look after quran it is a fully haterated book in the world..

  144. jai shankar says

    @maria,you don’t understand peace.I help you,read jejus,read goutam buddha,read mahaveer,read all saints of vaishnvas,read vedantik acharyas.only his act peace. hands are empty,no use sword.only fear and haterated mind accept swords.muhammads hand sword means kill all others.sword does not spreads peace. only peaceful mind goes spread peace.

    • Maria IslamicDefence says

      @jai shankar

      I think I understand what does “peace” really mean. Thanks I need not to read others book to understand the meaning of peace sorry. Go look at history you’d know how ignorant /unjust fighters the Mushreen of that time were, they thyself wanted war therefore Prophet (PBUH) & his companion had to do Jihad in order to protect themselves.

      What I get from Islam is:

      ==> [Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9)

      ==>Ibn Umar reported: Prophet (PBUH) said, “A believer continues to guard his Faith so long as he does not shed blood unjustly”.
      [Al-Bukhari].

      ==>Prophet said:
      “Those who are kind and considerate to Allah’s creatures, Allah bestows His kindness and affection on them. Show kindness 2 the creatures on the earth so that Allah may b kind 2 u.” [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]

      ==>Qur’an says: “God does not forbid you, to act fairly towards those who have never fought you over religion nor have driven you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them.” (60:8)

      Unto you your faith unto me mine. Peace.

      • raj.hyd says

        mariya ji kuran5/51 aur 5/57 bhi dekh lijiye jisme kurani allah muslimo ko isai v yahudi se dosti karne korokta hai yahkurani allah ka parspar virodhi adesh kyo hai ? AAJ KI KURAN BETARTEEB HAI ISLIYE APKO BHI SAMAJHNE ME TAKLIF HOTI HAI ? jab muhammad ji kamjor the tab vah dosti ki bat karte the jab muhmmad ji takatvar ho gaye tab vah dushmani ki bat karne lage kuran to muhammad ji ki gulam thi ! jaisi bhi marjia aye vaisi ayat ane me der kahan lagti thi ?

  145. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @GP

    You typed so many things. What did Roshingyas do, I don’t know, this is first time I’ve listened his name & what you typed about paki, Bangladeshi blah,blah,blah I can say anyone whether one is a Muslim or non Muslim, has no right to shed blood unjustly.
    What I’m saying brother , there are terrorist also among non Muslims, now what is going around on Burma living Muslims is against humanity if they do Jihad you cannot say they are terrorist as you no -Muslims always say. As per Islamic shariya law defensive Jihad can b done by any Muslim in order to protect oneself otherwise It’ll not b Jihad but terrorism if the aim isn’t to protect but to spread terror. Now Burma’s Muslims are unjustly killed, no matter what was the starting point due to which the war between Burma living Muslims & non Muslim started – If a man kill one another man the only one must be punished would b the killer NOT the whole family of killer. So how can you say that what is going around on Burma’s Muslims is okay Just because there are terrorist among Pakistan’s Muslims? You’re defending Burama’s non-Muslims just because you r a non-Muslim – You are not seeing now how Muslims are killed. you are not seeing there are also terrorist among non-Muslims, you just say I typed many things but nothing.
    You’re comparing the acts of Muslims with Qur’an ,Here I’m defending Islam NOT all Muslims but innocent ones. you shouldn’t judge a book by its followers. I don’t say all Muslims paki or etc. are innocents, what would they do would be okay. All Muslims are not the true followers of Qur’an. A practicing Muslim should be just , fair & peaceful. **Here I’m defending Islam NOT all Muslims but innocent ones**, what you non Muslims do nothing but pick out the verse out of their context without establishing the facts surrounding these verse, they (non Muslims) fit them into their mean the way they want. But I know because of your lack of knowledge you don’t accept the Islam to b peaceful religion. I’ll not get heart attack if you’ll not agree. Keep on disagreeing!

    To you be you way to me mine.

    • says

      @Maria
      Here I given ur comment in inverted coma and my reply follows:
      “You typed so many things. What did Roshingyas do, I don’t know, this is first time I’ve listened his name”.

      (REPLY) “After discussing whole Quran, u r asking who is Mohammad”..Rohingyas are the Bangladeshi muslim ILLIGALLY settled in Burma… Again I tell u that those people are not the citizen of Burma…. Untill now u are shedding tears for those muslim only.. They are known to involved in the anti-social elements and terrorist activities so no one is giving them refuge even bangladesh disown them.
      “ & what you typed about paki, Bangladeshi blah,blah,blah I can say anyone whether one is a Muslim or non Muslim, has no right to shed blood unjustly”.
      I know here u will prefer to avoid only…I feel u accepted that the pakistani shedding the blood of baluchi, hindus and christian unjustly , which they dont have any right. Last post I given u the % of Hindus in Pak and Bang but this killing didnt deserve ur sympathy and I hope u think they r not human only so no question of humanity.. 20 to 30% of the population has be harrased and killed because they dont beleive in peaceful book Quran but u sympathise with only with those few illegal rohingyas as compare to above because they happens to be muslim’s.. Might be possible Allah might have said only muslims are humans….
      “What I’m saying brother , there are terrorist also among non Muslims, now what is going around on Burma living Muslims is against humanity if they do Jihad you cannot say they are terrorist as you no -Muslims always say”.

      (REPLY)What I am saying sister, I dont see non abhrahmic faith people will quote from there religious text to terrorise the other group. If u know such group Pls let me know…. If non-muslim is involved in anti social element then he must be punished … here he cannot take shelter of his religious text…. But on the other hand Some grp of muslim involve in terrorist attack and quote Quran to justify that it is a word of god and Other grp which includes you do the cover up job by saying that they are not the follower of the Islam..Rather islam is very peacefull…blah blah… It is a conspiracy of nonmuslim to defame islam and then u will not stop here but also quote some cherry picked quote.
      “ As per Islamic shariya law defensive Jihad can b done by any Muslim in order to protect oneself otherwise It’ll not b Jihad but terrorism if the aim isn’t to protect but to spread terror. Now Burma’s Muslims are unjustly killed, no matter what was the starting point due to which the war between Burma living Muslims & non Muslim started – If a man kill one another man the only one must be punished would b the killer NOT the whole family of killer. So how can you say that what is going around on Burma’s Muslims is okay Just because there are terrorist among Pakistan’s Muslims? You’re defending Burama’s non-Muslims just because you r a non-Muslim – You are not seeing now how Muslims are killed. you are not seeing there are also terrorist among non-Muslims, you just say I typed many things but nothing.”

      (REPLY) I think u r under the impression that those Illegal Bangladeshi are only getting the beating. But u r wrong , those peoples are also involved in the killing of Burmese…. bt how can u see the dead of burmese people as they cannot be consider s human…
      This illegal immigrants first encroached the land of burmese and started harrasing the local burmese since so many years.. This burmese were very tolerant till now but when now riots has started because of this bangladeshi kills(unjustly blood shed) and raped the burmese woman . If there is no cause there will be no effect so we have to blame only this bangladeshi only and not to encourage them…
      If some 1000 burmese are involved in riots then the jihad should be against those 1000 people only. Why pakistani taliban giving threat to whole of Burma.. If muslims are so big hearted then they should give them refuge but wat u see those islamic republic only reject them….and even pakistan…
      Here riots is between Burmese local with foreigner(Rohingyas/ bangladeshi) but u only see it is against muslim against non muslim….. People like u only give religious angle to it … Burmese people have every right to defend their homeland from foreigner whether it be muslim or non muslim…. If some foreigner come to my home and harm my family members then i have every right to defend my home….. So why u bring religion in between… Because u know without bringing in religion ..how can u justify the attack on Burmese in the name of jihad…. This shows ur hypocrisy only and ageold tactics of muslims… Eq: Why Ejaz who invaded Sindh and slaughtered lacs of innocent sindhi … those sindhis never attacked those muslim..same is the case of Afganistan buddist…. Pritviraj chauhan pardon mohammad gori 16 times then why this gori attacked again and agian and slaughered so many innocent civilian and destroy there temples because they are non muslim….. There r innumerable eg like this… All this is done because Quran said so….. Oh No humanity ……. humanity defination doesnot include NON-MUSLIM( only reserved to muslim)…

      “You’re comparing the acts of Muslims with Qur’an ,Here I’m defending Islam NOT all Muslims but innocent ones. you shouldn’t judge a book by its followers. I don’t say all Muslims paki or etc. are innocents, what would they do would be okay. All Muslims are not the true followers of Qur’an. A practicing Muslim should be just , fair & peaceful. **Here I’m defending Islam NOT all Muslims but innocent ones**, what you non Muslims do nothing but pick out the verse out of their context without establishing the facts surrounding these verse, they (non Muslims) fit them into their mean the way they want.”

      (REPLY)Why I should not because every terrorist act done by muslim in the name of Quran… In india every bomb blast done by muslim by quoting Quarn only and also world over. In pakistam every Ahmadis is killed in the name of Allah…. They do all anti social element in the name of allah and quaran….. And people like u instead of rejecting them only do the cover up job by ur peaceful gyan….. SEE… Burmese not attacked Rohingyas because there religious text say so but you just given the colour of Muslim and Non-Muslim… and now will justify jihad…. If burmese act cannot be justify then the jehad against the Burma is also not justifiable…
      Practicing Muslim is peaceful…… This rare species are very rare to find and such rare species are not consider as a true muslim by Muslim mulla…… It is shocking to hear that after 1500 yrs of bloodshed we came to hear that all muslims are not true follower of islam… who will decide….. Such a confusion I only see in Islam only……
      You r blaming Non-muslim about cherry picking but half of the muslim do and justify jihad by cherry picking the quote from quran and other half cherry picks the quote from Quran to prove it very tresure of peace…. And most interesting things is that, the whole blame is imposed on poor Non-Muslim of cherry picking….. Nice strategy but it cannot work any more…..

      “But I know because of your lack of knowledge you don’t accept the Islam to b peaceful religion. I’ll not get heart attack if you’ll not agree. Keep on disagreeing!”

      (REPLY)It doesnot require any exceptional knowledge to say Islam is false religion…. How can that religion be true where Allah allowed Father to have sex with daughter,,, Mother with sons,,, Brother with sister…. Such disgusting Allah can never be true god and his religion can never be a true religion….. Pls sister leave this false cult and come to ur ancester religion of vedas..
      1500yrs of killing by muslim of innocent people cannot touch ur heart then how can u get heart attack if I didnt agree..
      I only say that ur lack of knowledge of ur own history is the reason for ur bondage…

      • Maria IslamicDefence says

        @GP

        Your words:
        “How can that religion be true where Allah allowed Father to have sex with daughter,,, Mother with sons,,, Brother with sister…. Such disgusting Allah can never be true god ”

        Re:
        FALSE CHARGE!
        Allah DOESN’T allow it IN ANY WAY. Give proof from QUR’AN, Hurry up now!

        Your words:
        “I hope u think they r not human only so no question of humanity.”
        Re:
        Non-Muslims are also human being. I never say they are not.

        • says

          @ Maria…..
          Sometime it is better to use logic instead mugging word by word..

          As per Abhrahmic belief , First God has created Adam and Eve and then all of us come from this two pair…. So we all are brothers & sister’s(adam ke bacche)…. But wait one second , if this is true then it is not possible to procreate without indulging in incest…. This means that Allah allows this to happen …. And now you said above Allah didnt allow in Quran..
          It clearly shows that allah is confused ….. First he allows and then he dont…… Conclusion :dear God can never be confused so Allah can never be god,,,, Abrahmic god s are only a result of human imagination and nothing else…..
          Only one vedic ishwar is true…. Pls reject false allah and come to the vedic truth…
          Adam and Eve assumption is scientifically wrong…..so grow up dear…It is not possible that we all come from same parents… Because if we check my DNA with ur DNA then it might be similar as we are from in India subcontinent… But if u check ur DNA with arabs or with chinese it will not match…..

          This is the reason the church always rejected/ opposed evolution theory because they know there shop will one day be closed if people comes to knows about it…..

          I hope instead of filling the gap with fairy tale you will use some logic….. because Adam & eve story is wrong then all ur belief gone for a toss….. as ur foundation has been shaken….. Dear sister, I expect from ur side atleast to think because argument can go on and on…. It is better if we reject the false and accept the tested truth…..

          Your word “Non-Muslims are also human being. I never say they are not”

          I said so because u only bring humanity only when muslim get beaten up…. In Burma riots is between locals and illegal Bangla migrants…. Burmese never did violence because there religion justify it… So here the Muslim – Non Muslim does’nt comes into picture…… Muslim got the separate country from India to live so why should they migrate and settle in Non muslim country….
          -> Paki killing baloch – here we can talk of humanity ground as they are not killing because of religion.. here u cannot bring religion angle so u chose to avoid…
          -> Paki killing Paki hindus— This is the case of Muslim and Non muslim as this animals are justifying killing by quoting Quran…. But here u chose to keep quite…

          I am not supporting the Burmese killing Rohingyas….. but is it fair that u are bringing the religious angle and justifying jehad against Burma…. I know u will not do it but god knows how many young muslim has be brainwashed and trained to do terror attack on Burma… Let wait and see…

  146. jai shankar says

    @maria,your mind is very low level,you are narrow minded.your world only roundup in quran-allah-muhammad.you leave1400 years ago.your born here but mind is 1400years old back.peace is only peace he does not need quran.peace is a inner state of mind.without quran peace is exists.quran is a barier of peace.all kinds of thought are bariers in silence or peace.peace means all thoughts are dead.why quran is there?you are not read others books because you afraid.your beliefs are week.you fear, beliefs are end now?? at this moment mind searches safety.quran is a your safety measures.but you born quran never helps,you dead quran also never help.because quran is your mind when you born,where is the quran???why you born without quran???you dead why you does not forgot quran??? Your safety measures is allah is knowing.why allah is only knowing?? Why he dived forget and not forget.why all muslims are not doing one work allah,allah and allah.????why mind does not think only allah,allah and allah???why mind is separated allah??? Allah punishes body or mind????how allah understanding of man body or mind???? Allah understand man leave without mind??? Allah understand no-mind state???

    • Maria IslamicDefence says

      @jai shanker

      Hothead!
      What I can say after reading your clumsy whimsical rhetorical post is;

      Your words:
      “your mind is very low level,you are narrow minded. your world only roundup in quran-allah-muhammad.”
      Re:
      Yeah! T a “T”! You’re exactly right my world is around my Qur’an, my beloved Allah & my beloved prophet. If after believing in these I can b remained peaceful then I should remain in this world you should not interfere then.

      Your words:
      peace is only peace he does not need quran.peace is a inner state of mind. without quran peace is exists.
      Re:
      I know peace is only peace. And without your Vedas peace exists.

      Your words:
      not read others books because you afraid.your beliefs are week.you fear, beliefs are end now?
      Re:
      Nah! I’m not afraid. For your kind information my belief is not weak , tell me , If my belief is weak then should I be there? of course not!
      I’m defending Islam because of my firm belief. Does your statement make any sense? Really? How do you get that my belief is weak?

      I can ignore your rest of clumsy whimsical & rhetorical statements as I have a courage because Allah want me to do so in (Quran 50:39).

      • Maria IslamicDefence says

        @raj.hyd (Other hatemongers should too read this passage):

        In response to your two previous posts.

        You used cheep filthy words for my beloved Prophet (pbuh) is just disgusting but I have to sequester it because Quran say so ==>”So bear with patience all that they(non-believers) say”(50:39).

        Allah has already told us about the people like you.Quran==>( you will recognize them by the tone of their speech. (47:30) And I’ve recognized you. You’re a ferocious hatemonger.

        You used cheep words but I’ll not use because I don’t wanna dirty my fingers by typing any cheep word. You would have to pay for your deeds & I’d have to for mine. Quran (10:41)

        I can just ignore you as Quran say ==> …Rather they are a rebellious people. So, turn away from them (non-believers), for that you (believers) are not blamed.
        And remind/teach (by preaching the Qur’ân,) verily, the reminding profits the believers.(51: 53-55) –> As Allah say remind/teach by preaching Quran so I’d like to say to you that stop this monkey business, don’t waist your time in condemning & abusing a thing you dislike & go do some yeoman’s service. You’re just wasting your time seriously!

        And he say: O my Lord! these are a folk who believe not. So turn away from them and say (to them): Salam (peace)! They will come to know soon.(43:88-89)

        So I turn away & say “Peace”.

        Surah109:
        1- Say: O you who reject your faith.
        6- To you be your way to me mine.

        So I say, unto u your faith unto me mine.

        • SDC says

          Just wanted to say this: When you are in the field of comparative religion, you should get used to such abuses. Abuses have been hurled at our idols as well. I do not think you have any claim to any higher moral ground in this respect.

      • SDC says

        No Maria, you should no longer stay in this material world. You should rather proceed to jannah, the world of your Allah, at the earliest.

        Peace can exist even without religion. It is verily a state of mind as JS has rightly pointed out.

        You may not be afraid but there are others who dread exposure to dissenting opinions and views and that is why they have blocked anti-Islamic sites in their countries. Probably, what he meant was that the foundations of your belief is not sound?

        • anti-agniveer says

          @SDC, i think you have some confusion in understanding faith. can u abuse gurugranth sahib infront of any sikh? even u cant touch gurugranthsahib.

          can u dare to touch gurugranth sahib? we always give non muslims translations of quran and we always welcome questions on islam but we cant tolerate abuses for Allah and rasool.

          it is you who always talk on islam and quran because you know that islam is true religion and Quran is true book. it is ur arrogance which is not allowing you to accept the truth.

          you can see Mr. rej.hyd has read translation of quran more than 12 times and he always concerned about quran. this website is for veda and you always discuss about Quran???? it is proof that you aryasamajis and Mr. vedanti and all do not consider veda worthy for discussion?

          no teaching of veda is worthy to propagate?

          brother i am indian and i am watching practically that you peoples have thrown out veda from your mind. I have not met a single person in my life who has all four veda or he reads veda daily or he has memorised veda or he had completed only once in his life?

          common hindu is interested in music, films,games, future, temples and least in Geeta. Veda is nowhere in the list.

          so you should seriously think to protect your veda.

          • SDC says

            Yes, if one is a daee in India like Zakir Naik or a fanatic like Akbaruddin Owaisi, he can even abuse Hinduism followed by the majority and get away with it.

            You cannot tolerate abuses for Allah and rasool but you have the right to abuse others’ beliefs?

            Just needed to tell you that I have no such wrong notions about Islam. I am clear in my mind that Islam is a demoniac cult, and actions speak for themselves. You do not even need to go down deeper into the level of ideology. Well, at least I believe that attack is the best form of defense and indulge in the same from the word go. In any case, religious beliefs are at times difficult to defend, and it is universal.

            Well, you need to enlighten yourself a bit further by letting go off your bias. I am sure you will find pearls of wisdom in the Vedas.

            People are hedonistic by nature. There is no harm as long sensual pleasures are sought within prescribed limits of ethics and law. So, what’s your point? That people should give up the pursuit of pleasure. Just want to point out to you that even your rasool was an extreme hedonist to the point that he even made legitimate immoral acts such as raping, looting, keeping sex slaves, etc.

  147. jai shankar says

    @maria,you are thought is completly crime..because none of allah himself understand his world only muslims,.none of muhammad himself understand his world only muslims. HE COMPLETY THINKING OTHERS…WHY????his thinking is based only others.you say my world is roundup quran-allah-muhammad.it is a complete mental phenomenon.because truth is everywhere and same.but you say truth is only allah???how it is possible??your mind is narrow.??why he not seeing others,because others is also truth.your eyes are blind means world is blind???buddha,mahaveera,kanad,vasista,nagarjuna,sanjay velatiputta,makhali ghoshal.prabuddha katyayana,mahakashyap,bodhisatva,chougtsu,losthe,shankaracharya,asatvakra,krishna,kapila,patanjali,pleto,socretis,raman maharshi,vivekanda,chinmayananda,krishnamurti he never told ALLAH why?? Truth is not allah.again you say ,’you should not interfare’ but muhammads & allahs are fully interfare in mans ??? Your thinking is more strong could not interfare it,and my thinking allah and muhammad is more strong as you.why he interfare others? others are interfare you does not accept,but you interfares other ???why???you are mad???you see only one side???why??you does not interfare others and others does not interfare yours,simple.vedas means knowledge, peace means knowledge of truth,but quran means only allahs world,islam means peace.why vedas are not exists in peace? Your belief is week,because you don’t read others,don’t see others,don’t think others.only quran-allah-muhammad yoy read,see and think it is a week persons work.

    • Maria IslamicDefence says

      @jai shankar

      Again a clumsy whimsical rhetorical response to my rational post.
      You are insulting my faith. You are also insulting me by saying I’m narrow minded & I’ve a criminal mind – I have a courage to digest . Look at yourself what you’re ? You’re believing in Veda ( A book consider to be peaceful as per its believers claim) but still you’re wasting your time by condemning abusing using dirty filthy language – You doesn’t seem to be peaceful in any way. I’ve seen peaceful persons among you so I can judge you’re not peaceful. You wanna waste your time but I’ll not waste any more time on you. So don’t bother to reply back me.

  148. jai shankar says

    @anti agniveer,tu sharm se pani pani kyo ho raha hai..ha.ha.ha…tu kahta hai ved ka eshwar dikhai nahi padta ? ha.ha.ha…meri baat siddha karne se pahale tere allah ko dekte hai.allah ek false concept hai,.kaise ??allah kitana mahan hai ye nahi pata??uski mahanta kaha se shuru hoti hai??akash,,prithvi ya satve aasman se?? Wo sirf mahan hai, aanu nahi hai??aanu se bhi aanu allah nahi hai??Ab ye allah,use koi bhi dekh nahi sakta. jo dekhai nahi deta aise hullah,kullah,jullah inko bhi manana padega???ha.ha.ha…ab hum ved ke eshwar ko siddha karte hai.wo mahan se bhi mahan aur anurenu se bhi chota hai.”anurenuyan mahatomahiyan” wo sirf mahan nahi hai mahan se bhi mahan hai aur sirf mahan nahi hai anu renu se bhi chota .mahan itna hai ki jo jo aadmi ke mahan ke hawale hai us mahan ke hawale se bhi mahan.aur chota itana ki anu ya renu nahi balki us se bhi chota. Iska arth hua ye jo anant vishva faila hai us ke paar bhi wo hai aur jo vishva ke chote anu renu hai usme bhi wo hai. Tum me bhi hai aur muzme bhi hai.wo everywhere hai ye siddha hua.allah everywhere nahi hai.wo muhammad & company limited hai.ved ka eshwar dikhta kyo nahi??kya tum bhi bina dekhe ved ke eshwar ko mante ho??? Chize jab dur ho tab dikhai nahi deti aur bahot najdik ho tab bhi dikhai nahi deti .hamari aankh hum dekh nahi sakte,kyoki wo bahot nikat hai.agar aankh jo ki matter hai phir bhi dikhai nahi deti ved ka eshwar man se bhi sushma haiuskebhitar hai ”sarvasya chaham hrudayi saniivisto”-geeta arthat mai sab ke hruday me hu.to wo itna nikat hai,ki hamara swarup ho gaya.to jo bhitar man ki search karega usko waha milega aur jo bahar murti ki puja karega use bahar bhi milega.allah na andar hai na bahar???false imagination hai jo aadha hai na pura hai????

  149. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @Anti Agniveer

    :Request you to please don’t reply back to the hate mongers like “jai shankar & “raj.hyd”. What Jai shankar typed in his last post is just a red rag to a bull. The more you will reply more he will use irrational absurd language by mocking ridiculing, for our beloved Allah & Prophet (pbuh). They wanna just waste our time. If you will turn away & ignore them you will be not blamed.

    See what does Quran say:

    ==>They are a rebellious people. So, turn away from them (non-believers), for that you (believers) are not blamed. (51:53)

    ==>”And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh, lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.”(Qur’an, 6:108)

    ==>So bear with patience all that they(non-believers) say”(50:39).

    ==>And he say: O my Lord! these are a folk who believe not. So turn away from them and say (to them): Salam (peace)! They will come to know soon.(43:88-89)

    Fee-amanillah!

  150. jai shankar says

    @antiagniveer,abe akal ke gadhe,hahaha..ved kabhi bhi dekhne ko nahi kahte aur na hi manane ko kahte. khojo aur jano ye kahte.unka sara jor JANANE par hai..manane par nahi.wo bhitar dekhane ko kahte hai.aur tu bahar ko hi dekhne ko dekhna kah raha hai. Bhitar dekh to tuze bhi dekhai padega.hahaha,ALLAH FALSE CONCEPT HAI kyo ki usko bhitar ki jankari kam hai??bhitar janneko us ne kabhi kaha nahi.ALLAH.SIRF MANO KI WO HAI,BHAY KHAO,DARO US SE AISA ALLAH HAI.dekhna,manana,janana ye sab man se sanbadhit hai.jab man janata hai tab wo bahar ke dekhane aur manane se mukta hota hai.hum ped ko jante hai to us par vishwas nahi karte ki, ped hai aisa hum vishwas kare. to ye siddha hua ki allah janane ko nahi kahta,khojane ko nahi kahta.hahaha..are use man ka bhi pata nahi hai ki wo kaisa hai? use sirf chanchal man ka,ashant man ka pata hai,shant man,shunya man,nirvikalp man is ka koi pata nahi hai.hahaha..kya tum man ko mante ho,kya tum man ko dekhte ho?hahaha.phir tum ho ki nahi ko?phir tum ho ki nahi ho ye kaise siddha hoga?hahaha….tum raat me sapna kis aankh se dekhte ho??hahaha…ved ka eshwar bhitar ki aankh se dekha aur jana jata hai.bahar ki indiryonka king man hai.shant hua wo, aapne gahre chipe bhagwan ko bhitar dekhta hai,janta hai..ye siddha hua ki allah false concept hai.hahaha…..

  151. jai shankar says

    @antiagniveer, kyo bhanbhana rahe ho??? Dimag ke andar tare chamak gaye kya??” islam ki philosophy allah ke irdgird ghumti hai.allah ki tahkikat karna hi philosophy hai.tu us se kyo ghabra raha hai? hahaha.Tune kabhi aapne ko dekha hai?? Tu kahega ha,aankh se.par jab tu aankh band karega tab dekhna band ho jayega,par jab tu aankh band karta hai phir gayab kyo nahi hota? Iska arth hua dekhna chamdi ki aankh par nirbhar nahi hai. dekhna bhitar hai.ab sawal ye hai,ki tu koun hai?tu man hai.is man ko bhi tu dekhanewala hai,kyoki tu jab sota hai kaise dekhta hai ki raat me soya wohi subah ko jaga.tuze to raat me kuch bhi pata nahi hai,phir tu kaise dekhta hai,jo soya wahi jaga?iska arth hua tu man ko bhi dekhane wala hai.jo kabhi nahi sota.wahi ved ka eshwar hai.

  152. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @SDC

    Your words:
    “Just wanted to say this: When you are in the field of comparative religion, you should get used to such abuses. Abuses have been hurled at our idols as well. I do not think you have any claim to any higher moral ground in this respect.”

    Re:
    It’s not necessary. In the field of comparative religion If I dislike something I extract it & do not believe in it. My life is not such aimless or worthless to lest it for being used in mocking, ridiculing by using dirty filthy language such a thing I dislike & don’t wanna believe in it, I JUST EXTRACT IT FROM MY LIFE – I extracted your idols from my life, I’m strictly against to worship idols. If I know anything is wrong then it means wrong nothing more than this , I’ll not like to waste even a single moment of my life over such a thing I dislike. This is my way.

    To you be your way to me mine.

    • SDC says

      Are you also against grave worship?

      Anyways, there are others of your ilk who indulge in mocking other faiths, and you have to answer them in a befitting manner.

  153. raj.hyd says

    kurani allah pagal hai ya ” moodi” ? jab mood bana sansar bana diya atma [rooh] banadi adam bana diya adam se havva bana di fir bhul ko sudhar diya ab nari se nar paida kiye jate hai fir mood bana sage bhai -bahano me sex karva diya fir sudhar kiya ab sage bhai bahano me sex band karva diya ? mood bana 124 hajar nabi rasool bhej diye mood bana band kar diye ? mood bana muhammad ji se chand ke tukde karva diye mood bana chand ke tukde judva diye mood bana isai v yahudi se dosti n karne ka adesh jari kar diya[dekhe kuran 5/51] mood bana isai v yahudi ki mahila se nikah karne ka adesh de diya ?[dekhe kuran 5/5]kurani allah ka mood bana muhammd ji ki god li huyi bete ki bibi se nikah khud karvba diya fir jab mood bana to mauhmmad jiki santane paida karva di fir mood badla to sabhi santano ko[fatima ji ke alawa,vah bhi muhammad ji ke marne ke kuch mah bad hi "bhari jawani" me mar gayi] unki ankh ke samne marva diya? santane di kyo fir chini kyo kaun se “kukarmo” ki saza kurani allah ne apne “pyare ” v antim rasool muhammad ji ko di ?ham to yahi dekh te hai ki kurani allah ke dushman kaafir v samany muslim ki ankho ke samne unki paida ki huyi santane nahi marti hai fir yah “julm ” kurani allah me muhammad ji ke prati kyo kiya ?muahmmad ji ko dukhi kyo kiya aisa mood kurani allah ne kyo banaya ?muhammad ji ko santane di kyo fir dekar chini kyo? muhammad ji ki ankho me aansu laye kyo ?kurani allah ka mood bana apne rasool kahalane vale isa masih ka vivah bhi nahi karvaya unko sex ke maze lene se vanchit kar diya ” bhari jawani “me unko maut de di ! aur MUHAMMAD JI KO SEX KARNE KE LIYE MAHILAO KA” BHANDAR” DE DIYA AUR SATH ME YAH BHI CHHOOT DE DI NIKAH KE PAHALE BHI JISSE BHI ICHHA AYE USKO BANDI BANAKAR SEX KAR SAKTE HO VAH LAUNDI BANKAR RAHANE KO MAJBUR RAHEGI 1 IS MOODI KURANI ALLAH KO KYO MANA JAYE ?

  154. Maria IslamicDefence says

    @GP

    You reminds me that the children Adam & Eve were get married among themselves this was because to increase the human population, to full fill this necessity He made this law, the purpose was just to increase the human population but later on this law was changed by Allah & He made a new law the children from the same parent cant marry, but can with cousins & others, because the problem to increase the population was full filled. So Allah doesn’t confuse but He makes Laws according to human requirements.

    Islam believes in the theory of creation not in Darwinist Theory of Evolution. The idea/assumption that organism might evolve through time, with one type of organism into another type of organism, it refers to the process that life transformed to the vast diversity from it earlier stage. I’m an Fsc. but still studying, in my 2nd year text there’re few pages regarding Evolution but through my text & Google study I can say that but it is not agreeable because of many reasons:
    –Darwin himself regarded his theory based on assumptions, he has just fossil records.
    –Evolution is a “Theory” not Law.
    –The evolutionists’ claim that the life started from “first cell”. Who created first cell? The evolutionists cannot answer. Modern biologists have rejected this claim.
    –As per this Theory living things were not created but came into being by chance, the DNA molecule is so complex that it cannot be accidental .
    –Life comes from life has been proved. But The theory of “spontaneous generation”, which asserts that non-living materials came together to form living organism has been rejected.
    –laws of inheritance discovered by Mendel and verified by the science of genetics have nullified the theory of evolutionary mechanism.
    –All Biologist are not agree with Darwin. His Theory has been rejected by many scientists.

    • Jay says

      Adam and Eve were Middle Eastern Jewish mythology characters on the origins of the humans. Islam is the Arab version of Judaism so copied the Jewish creation myths.

      Every ethnic group that had their own religion had their own stories on how the human race came to be. Here is a site listing some of the creation myths of the world including the creation myths of Judaism and its two Jewish later versions (Christianity and Islam). http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html

    • Jay says

      Here is an explanation of “theory” in science “A scientific theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.”[1][2] Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and do not make apodictic propositions; instead, they aim for predictive and explanatory force.[3][4]

      The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, which is measured by its ability to make falsifiable predictions with respect to those phenomena. Theories are improved as more evidence is gathered, so that accuracy in prediction improves over time. Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease.

      Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.[3] This is significantly different from the word “theory” in common usage, which implies that something is unproven or speculative.[5]“…Both scientific laws and scientific theories are produced from the scientific method through the formation and testing of hypotheses, and can predict the behavior of the natural world. Both are typically well-supported by observations and/or experimental evidence.[23] However, scientific laws are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.[24] Scientific theories are broader in scope, and give overarching explanations of how nature works and why it exhibits certain characteristics. Theories are supported by evidence from many different sources, and may contain one or several laws.[25]

      A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence has been accumulated. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory; a law will always remain a law.[23][26]

      Theories and laws are also distinct from hypotheses. Unlike hypotheses, theories and laws may be simply referred to as scientific fact.[27][28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

      • Maria IslamicDefence says

        @Jay

        “A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence has been accumulated. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory; a law will always remain a law.[23][26]”

        Re:
        okay,I know how a scientific theory produced, to prove theory can be remained as theory & scientific law can b remained as scientific only the above paragraph I pasted is required.
        Maybe you more knowledge about science so tell can a theory can never b falsified as scientific law?

        Your words:
        Adam and Eve were Middle Eastern Jewish mythology characters on the origins of the humans. Islam is the Arab version of Judaism so copied the Jewish creation myths.
        Re:
        Mere an assumption.

        • Maria IslamicDefence says

          @Jay

          Sorry I made blunders in hurry so I rephrase again my question:

          Maybe you have more knowledge about Science so tell me can a theory never b falsified as scientific law?

          One more question:
          As per Darwinist Theory of Evolution organism might evolve through time, with one type of organism into another type of organism, it refers to the process that life transformed to the vast diversity from it earlier stage.
          As as per its we were monkey, now r human beings, BTW is this our end point or would we get another shape?

          • Jay says

            The answer is in the description already posted. Reread what is scientific theory and what is scientific law. They are two different concepts.

            As for evolution, it is on going.

        • Jay says

          The assumption is by believers of this or that faith. One Middle Eastern ethnic group, the Jews, had their own creation myth of Adam and Eve, and Judaism’s two Jewish religious offshoots, Christianity and Islam retained Judaism’s creation myths. Everyone look at the link posted above and read the different creation myths from all around the world. Believers of those faiths believe those creation myths just like the Middle Eastern Jews (and followers of other branches of Judaism) believe in theirs.

    • says

      @Maria.
      Dear Sis, giving response doesnt means that u r giving answer to the question…..
      1)Initially when I said Allah allows incest then you said “FALSE CHARGE!
      Allah DOESN’T allow it IN ANY WAY. Give proof from QUR’AN, Hurry up now!” but when I shows it then u make a u turn and now u say initially he allowed and then he changed his rule….. But my dear sister rule will be changed when first it is laid…. and hurry up tell me where it is in Quran say Allah allows incest and also where he changed the rule … proof from Quran….
      2)After reading ur comments, u also indiretly said that Allah is not only confused but also a big fool….. If he really want to increase the population then he would have created 100 and lacs of couple instead of Adam and Eve…. Then there would be no need to change the rule.As humanbeing of common understanding like me can also understand this but ur Allah the all knower couldnot…. If population increase is fulfilled then why this muslim breed like a pig by saying allah ki den hai…
      3)I know logically u cannot give me answer instead of introspecting you create another fairy tale…. which I knew that u will give some fairy tale to fill this gap just see my earlier post….. You are college going girl, educated lady, I expected that u will introspect over logically….. take ur time two three days or so….and come out with some logical conclusion which might be right or wrong that is different point…. or atleast will say I dont know ..can be possible, there are so many things which we dont know… but you are so enthu to prove ur point that u come out with one more fairy tale……. If u says to the kids there is possibility that he/she will beleive …. Now-a- days kids are also smart they will laugh it out at ur face…..
      4) I never told that I agree/disagree with Darwin evolution…. I even know that even u dont know completely the darwins evolution theory and other theories but to prove ur point u also copy pasted from some where for giving an impression that u know and Also concluded by stating that “All Biologist are not agree with Darwin. His Theory has been rejected by many scientists” but dear, Biologist are also agree that we all are not born out of single parents… then why u not also agree on this and reject Adam & Eve assumption…… But I know u cannot because u r programmed in that way since childhood….. Atleast first u urself get convinced…
      Above in one post u also mocked one Christian gentleman over Abhraham having sex with daughters but I think ur Allah allows it….So u indulge in sin by mocking at allah rules…
      5) There will be a question/doubt in ur mind but at the same time ayat of quran will come which u have mugged for 15yrs like Shaitan will create doubt, kaffir will try to deceive u, worst creature, Imaan laho, Kafir wll not undstd as allah sealed their mind, Jews/Kafirs conspiracy, Rather they are a rebellious people. So, turn away from them (non-believers), for that you (believers) are not blamed.
      And remind/teach (by preaching the Qur’ân,) verily, the reminding profits the believers.(51: 53-55) –> As Allah say remind/teach by preaching Quran so I’d like to say to you that stop this monkey business, don’t waist your time in condemning & abusing a thing you dislike & go do some yeoman’s service. You’re just wasting your time seriously!And he say: O my Lord! these are a folk who believe not. So turn away from them and say (to them): Salam (peace)! They will come to know soon.(43:88-89)
      All this ayats were manufactured by Muhammad so his follower will never dare to think other way and be happy at wat crap they r following…..
      But question still remains un answered. Jesus say “be like a child”.. Is it good to remain a child ?….
      6) If there is god, his knowledge is complete, not changeable in any ages. Vedas is the first and the last book which still makes sense even after so many years and will not change in the years to come. Which also want u to beleive only after questioning and logically convinced. Vedic god is not afraid of questions on the contrary it encourages u to ask….Pls reject the false Man made imaginary god and books and come to the one and only ishwar….
      7) In ur country, u r braiwashed since childhood that Hindus are cunning, worst creature, fools, bewakuf etc.. U might have hate this Arya samajis but u will see this Arya samajis include people who were earlier moulvi and all. U can also search for video of Pandit Mahendra Pal. Who was Maulvi and peace loving muslim like u…..He is more fluent in Arabic and knowlegeable in islam than true follower of islam
      May ishwar give u courage to reject the false and accept the truth…..

      • Maria IslamicDefence says

        @GP

        Your words:
        “Above in one post u also mocked one Christian gentleman over Abhraham having sex with daughters but I think ur Allah allows it….So u indulge in sin by mocking at allah rules”.

        Re:
        I just showed him what does his bible say regarding the attributes of Prophets. Because he was saying A Prophet can’t marry a girl of 9. So I didn’t mock him but just showed him the verse 4 his own book. Read the postings of “raj.hyd” & “jay shankar” you would know ‘what is mocking’? One can analyse any text.

        • Maria IslamicDefence says

          @GP

          “I never told that I agree/disagree with Darwin evolution.”
          Re:
          But still u r trying to convince me my religion is flawed by Evolution Theory – Absurd/dnot make any sense!

          ” to prove ur point u also copy pasted from some where for giving an impression.”
          Re;
          To my mind I typed & pasted things I can understand.
          U still makes me laugh by saying I wanna Impress u, 4 your kind info I DON”T wanna impress YOU, If it’s so then I should accept your Veda that’d b a great impression on u. Religious views & views related with it are the matter of death & life, If one start to impress people, Hell-fire would b waiting for him according to my scripture – I impress Allah this is enough!

          “even know that even u dont know completely the darwins evolution theory and other theories”
          Re;
          I think you don’t have any Bachelor degree in any kind of science even an intermediate degree. What I typed & pasted regarding Evolution (except one or two things) doesn’t need any proof. Many things can b found even in 8th or 9th class science text. DNA is a complex molecule even a 8th class child can tell u this thing i.e law of inheritance can b found in Matric text – yes i don’t know completely about Evolution I’m not in Fsc. but waiting for its result would still studying & In-shaa-Allah I’ll learn the whole concept of Evolution.

          ” But question still remains un answered. Jesus say “be like a child”.. Is it good to remain a child ?”
          Re;
          What do u mean?

          To be Continued..

          • says

            @Maria
            Your words:
            “I just showed him what does his bible say regarding the attributes of Prophets. …………. One can analyse any text.”
            Re:
            Abhrahamic story is also part of Quranic history… So if u think that is wrong then that applies to Quran also…. By showing him what u want to prove? “ Hamaam se sab nange hai”…. If sex with daughter is wrong then 55yrs old marrying and consumate 9yr kid is CRIME… even animal will not do such pathetic thing…. Being a female u dont even think it is wrong …strange… I am young in my 20ties ,even thinking of marrying 10yrs old kid is ridiculous… Thought of it only , my heart fill with guilt… SO ur beloved prophet is 55yrs and height is that Allah approves him also…… Maria, pls empathise with girl then u will know how it feels …Because of this act of Mohammad so many little kids body has been ravished by old donkeys in last 1500yrs… Both act is patetic so no sane person/ god will allow such act..
            Your words:
            “But still u r trying to convince me my religion is flawed by Evolution Theory – Absurd/dnot make any sense!”
            Re:
            By the way Quran itself doesnt make sense….. Just read before replying…. Evolution theory attaked the foundation of Adam & Eve assumption and thats the reason Church opposed it …. I dont feel u will get convinced by church opposition..
            I wrote only one sentence of evolution because my logic also attacked ur foundation of Adam & Eve assumption which is no where near to evolution….
            See dear, Scientific laws doesnot change… If monkey can change to human then it should change in this age also but we dont see it now…… Instead of writing on all scientific mombo jumbo which u urself cannot understand wat is the use… Keep it simple dear…..
            I have shown the flaw in ur religion by showing u the contradiction of Allahs Law and never try to convince u on evolution theory… Agreeing / Disagreeing of evolution doesn’t matter here… pls dont deviate from the topic.

            Your word:
            “To my mind I typed & pasted things I can understand.
            U still makes me laugh by saying I wanna Impress u, 4 your kind info ……………………. Hell-fire would b waiting for him according to my scripture – I impress Allah this is enough!”
            Re:
            Impress and impression are 2 different word… I never told that u try to impress me.. but I told impression that u know/ of knowledge…. How can u accept Veda without reading and knowing it…. be truthful instead of impressing… Hell fire…hehe wake up dear… u r in dream state..
            Your word:
            “I think you don’t have any Bachelor degree in any kind of science even an intermediate degree. ————————-DNA is a complex molecule even a 8th class child can tell u this thing i.e law of inheritance can b found in Matric text – yes i don’t know completely about Evolution I’m not in Fsc. but waiting for its result would still studying & In-shaa-Allah I’ll learn the whole concept of Evolution.”
            Re:
            Kowing the word and knowing the meaning are two different things… See dear now ur discussing abt piece of paper(i.e; some degree) dont worry even i have collected many…I hope we r not discussing abt this…. DNA molecule is complex then it can no way be created by Allah because he cannot even figure out that creating one couple will results into incest so that he need to change his law in future…. Even 8th class child can figure out this.. Pls dont waste ur time in reading Evolution for discussing here.

            Your word:
            “What do u mean?”
            Re:
            I mean “GROW UP”…Stop beleiving in all fairy tale(prophet,flying donkey, cutting moon, hellfire, janah) which u cannot comprehend logically.
            At last, Pl go through the complete conversation , I think u delibretaly keep mum in the relevant question and replied only to the irrelevant… First u justify jihad on burma and after that u felt that u will corner me on Allah incest law as u will be expert on this but as the discussion proceed …now u r discussing abt evolution/bachelor degree which for me is irrelevant here…. Pls be in the topic.
            If there is god / gods law, he cannot contradict or his law cannot be in contradiction… His kowledge is complete so no need for any additional book… So Vedas is first and last book which is applicable even now and will be hence forth. There r many religious book in india but incase of any contradiction vedas is supreme….. Geeta is best commentary on Vedas given by Krishna.. Pls do read It will guide u in the world of sprituality….
            Also listen the Mahendra Pal (former Moulvi) on women in islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMCXtwzqKbY&feature=relmfu

      • Maria IslamicDefence says

        @GP

        You typed about Vedas – Veda is not a religious book & according to Vedic God Relgion is not Important , there is no hell paradise, it is not important that in which sect a person is – The basic requirement is one should b pious, this is Vedic God principle it means it is very easy for me to full fill this principle without leaving my religion . So why should I leave my Islam?

  155. jai shankar says

    @antiagniveer,aapni philosophy par sharm mahsus kar rahe ho.hahaha…hindu jab tahakikat karta hai tab sab tarike apnata hai.islam ki philosophy ALLAH ke irdgird ghumti hai,isliye allah ki tahakikat karna hi islam ki philosophy hai.kyo ghabra raha hai???hum to eswar ki tahkikat me nahi ghabrate.hahaha..hindu ki sary philosophy drasta yane dekhanewale ki baat karti hai.rup drushya hai,netra drasta hai,wo netra bhi drushya hai man uska drasta hai.aur sab buddhivrutti drushya hai,uska dekhnewala(drasta) hai sakshi.jo kisi ka bhi drushya nahi hai.EK hi netra ANEK neele peele,barik,mote rup ko dekhta hai.EK hi man netra ka andhapan,kam dikhana,aadi dharm ko dekhta hai.usi prakar aur indriyonki babat hai.is ka arth hua gyan ki indirya panch hai par drasta ek hai man hai.ab ye man bhi agar drushya hoga to us me bhi anektaye hongi.kam,krodh,lobh,moh,mad,matsar,bhay,laaj,dhiraj. In sab man ki vruttiyonko ek hi chaitanya saksi hokar dekh raha hai.uske prakashit hone se hi sab prakashit hote hai,ye sakshi hi ved ka eswar hai.ab tu ye nahi kah sakta ki muze sakshi dekhai nahi padta???to tu zuth bol raha hai,sota hai tab aankh band honepar bhi tu sapna kaise dekhta hai??kis aankh se??jagne par tu kyo kahta maine sapna DEKHA.iska arth hua koi bhitar sakshi hai,jo tere sone ki awasta ko bhi dekh raha hai.allah to tuze bhitar nahi dikhega par ved ka eswar jo sakshi hai dikhega.hahaha????

  156. jai shankar says

    jab aadmi sapna dekhta hai,tab wo aapne bhitar pura jagat nirmit karta hai.jaisa jagat bahar hota hai vaise hi bhitar hota hai.bahar,chand,suraj,aakash,zamin,diwar achal hai to us ke sapne me bhi wo achal hote hai.is ka arth hua wo jo duniya banata hai wo apni man ki shakti se banata hai.koi bhi mehanat,samugri,sadhan use nahi karta.kyo wo allah ka sathidar nahi hai kya???thodi der ke liye to wo duniya banta hai,duniya me rahta hai,aur duniya ko distroy bhi karta hai,wo creator bhi hai distroyer bhi hai,is se bhi wo sathidar nahi hoga?????hahaha…..

    • anti-agniveer says

      @pagal-shankar, main isse zyada kiya kehsakta hun ki “Lage raho shankar BHAI”

      tum koi pagal type aadmi ho jo apni baton ke antarvirodh ko nahi dekh parah.. kuch dikhata hun

      jab humne kaha ki Allah mahan hai to tumne kaha ki agar “hai” lagaoge to present tense hoga aur uska matlab hoga ki pehle nahi tha aur ab atune kiya likha hai??? ki vedon ka ishwar mahan se bhi mahan “hai”???????????????????????????????????????

      iska matlab pehle mahan nahi tha?? bahut sidhi baat hai.. ab laffazi mat start kar dena.

      tune kaha ki kan se bhi chota “hai”??? yani pehle chota nahi tha??? aise hi teri saari bakwas par questions uthai ja sakte hain aur tu khud dekh sakta hai ki tere ilzam mein jhol kahan hain.

      tune kaha ki tu sapno mein bhi dekhta hai aise vedon ka ishwar dikhta hai?? kiya tu pagal to nahi ho gaya? jab maine kaha ki islam k hisab se duniya ki har cheez aur khud hamari body aur sara alam is baat ki gawahi de raha hai ki isse kisi ne banay hai aur wih ise chala raha hai aur wohi Allah hai to tujhe aitraz tha

      ab mein aitraz karta hun taki tujhe pata lage ki jhol kahan hai..

      kiya sote mein dekhna waise hi dekhna hai? kiya tu vedon k ishwar ko sapnon mein dekhta hai? jis cheez ko tu dekh nahi sakta yaani kan se bhi chota aur sabse bara se bhi bara to manta kaise hai ?

      kiya tu sirf janta hai aur manta nahi? islam ka jab sawal aata hai to kehta hai ki jo dikhai nahi dega use nahi manoge aur jab baat vedon ki ishwar ki aye to khwab mein dekhne laga??

      kiya tu pagal ho gay hai? aur 4 rishiyon ko bhi janta hai par manta nahi? kiyunki tu andhvishwasi nahi hai??? aur apne dada-pardada ko bhi janta hai par manta nahi?

      kaisa vedanti hai jo itna dohra mapdand rakhta hai? kiya jo cheez dikhai nahi deti use nahi manta?

      yeh shankar kaun hai??

  157. jai shankar says

    ISLAM KI SACCHAI 7-Then Allah’s Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with
    terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, “Cover me! Cover me!” They covered him till
    his fear was over and then he said, “O Khadija, what is wrong with me?” Then he told her
    everything that had happened and said, ‘I fear that something may happen to me.” Khadija
    said, ‘Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah.
    Let’s further compare Muhammad’s experience with Biblical stories of men who
    had experiences with God. Noah – Gen. 6. God speaks to Noah and tells him that He is going to destroy the earth. Noah does not panic, become depressed, or driven by fear. He knows that this God speaking to him,
    and there is no need for rash action. Noah knows this is God, and Noah does not become
    irrational. Noah knows that this God is not going to harm him. Abraham – Gen. 12 – 18. God speaks to Abraham. Abraham does not panic, Abraham is not bewildered, Abraham does not doubt or become depressed, Abraham believes and obeys. God visited
    Abraham, yet neither he nor Sarah attempts any rash actions. Moses – Ex. 3 – 34 God appeared to Moses in the burning bush. Moses was afraid to look at God but Moses does not act paranoid. He knew that this God was not a God of terror. Moses did
    not run back to his family frightened out of his mind. Moses did not become depressed
    over the event, thinking he was possessed or bewitched. Instead, because Moses
    personally experienced this God and knew he could trust this God, Moses knew and
    obeyed. Isaiah – Isaiah 6 Isaiah had a powerful vision and experience of God. Yet he did not lose his mind, he was not driven by dread of God. He feared God because of the sin in his heart, and the
    sinfulness of the people he dwelt among, but he did not panic. During this experience he
    realized God had forgiven him and accepted him. Because he experienced the real God,
    Isaiah did not attempt suicide or any other rash action. His mind was sound, he did not
    need to have a “spirit” continue to sooth him. Mary – Luke 1. The real Gabriel also visited Mary. She too was perplexed and afraid. But during her experience with Gabriel, she gained confidence and strength. She knew God loved
    her. She did not become irrational or depressed, and she did not run around frightened
    out of her mind. She did not attempt suicide. Instead, because she experienced the living
    God, she knew she was loved and accepted. She knew this God was real, and she had
    nothing to fear. Jesus – Mark 1. When Jesus Christ began His ministry, He was baptized in water. The Holy Spirit descended upon Him. God spoke from heaven, and the people there heard God speak,
    “This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.” There were no panic attacks,
    depression, or doubt. And, after Jesus was challenged by Satan in

  158. jai shankar says

    ISLAM KI SACCHAI 8 –
    The prophet of Islam committed SHIRK – he was a hypocrite – he made himself Allah’s partner! Read carefully….
    O you who believe, obey Allah and His Messenger … ” (8:20) “Say: obey Allah and
    obey the Messenger … ” (24:54) … “Obey Allah and the Messenger and perhaps you will
    be shown mercy.” (3:132) “If you obey him, you will be guided … ” (24:54) “Whoever
    obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah … ” (4:79) “That what the Messenger brings you
    and leave what he forbids you … ” (59:7) “Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger is
    with those whom Allah has blessed.” (4:68) “We did not send any Messenger but for him to be obeyed by the permission of Allah.” (4:63) … “Whoever obeys me has obeyed Allah. Whoever rebels against me has rebelled
    against Allah. …” (Muslim and al Bukhari)Obeying the Messenger is part of obeying Allah
    since Allah commands that he be obeyed. True obedience is obedience to Allah’s
    command and therefore obedience to His Prophet. … In the hadith of Abu Hurayrah we find that the Prophet said, “All of my community
    will enter the Garden except for those who refuse to.” They asked, “O Messenger of
    Allah, who will refuse?” He replied, “Whoever obeys me will enter the Garden. Whoever
    rebels against me has refused.” (Al Hakim) … “It is like someone who builds a house and lays out a fine feast in it and sends out a
    summoner. Whoever does not answer the summoner does not enter the house and eat
    from the feast.” (Muslim and al Bukhari)
    Again read carefully…
    “His the Kingdom of the Heavens and of the Earth! No son hath He begotten! No partner hath He in his Empire! ” Al-Koran, Surah XXV. “…when One God was proclaimed to you, ye believed not: but when partners had been united with him, ye believed…” Al-Koran, Surah XL. “…Verily, if thou join partners with God , vain shall be all thy work, and thyself shalt be of those who perish.” Al-Koran, Surah XXXIX. “SAY: Come, I will rehearse what your Lord hath made binding on you–that ye assign
    not aught to Him as partner;” Al-Koran, Surah VI.
    That Mohammad was a hopelessly confused moron – but at least he could blame his
    delusions on mental illness and hallucinations.

  159. jai shankar says

    @antiagniveer,dimag me hosh aa gaya kya?hahaha…tu abhi bhi ”hai” ke zol se wakib nahi hua.tune hosh ki baat kari hai is liye batata hu.do sentence hai tere samne ab tu hi tay kar ki kisme ”hai” hai.kyoki jab mai hai lagaunga to tu fir ved ke eswar ko lagayega,is se ”zol” ka anth nahi honewala.1)”anurenuyan mahatomahiyan” – aanu se anu aur mahan se mahan 2) “allah-hu-akbar”- hu yane hai.God is great… Maine bhitar dekhne ko kaha hai,jaise sapna bhitar hai hosh bhi hai tu sirf sapne ki dekhne ki baat kyo karta hai???hahaha….hosh se hi ved ke eswar ko dekha jata hai..ab rahi ved ke rishi ki baat,ab jab muze khud unke satya ka sakshat hua to hi ve satya honge,nahi to nahi.’sarva khalvidam bramh’ ‘tat-tvam-aasi’ iska muze apne antas me gyan hua, to ye satya huye,manane se nahi huye.is liye ved ke rishi ko main satya kahta hu,manta nahi.shankar ko third eye hai,jab wo kisi par pade to use bhasm karti hai,yahi shankar hai.

    • anti-agniveer says

      @lage raho shankar bhai, kya jawab diya hai.. wah maza aagaya… kardi na vedanti wali baat..hahahaha

      bahut maza aagaya.. zara apna purana comment parhna.. kiya tumne yeh nahi likha ki woh mahan se bhi mahan hai???? aur jab maine hai par sawal kiya to kaha ki //aanu se anu aur mahan se mahan// ??

      asal main tum log akhirat ko wahan k hisab kitab ko nahi mante isliye tumhare liye jhut sach ki koi ahmiyat nahi.

      doosri baat aise to koi bhi keh sakta hai ki mere antarmann ne kaha