Our objective in this article is to bust certain baseless myths regarding Vedas propagated sheerly on basis of the hypothesis that “A false shouted thousand times becomes a truth.”

We hope we shall receive support from all unbiased mind in establishing the truth.

Agniveer has no problems in people believing what they want to believe. That does not mean that Agniveer considers everything to be true, nor does it mean that Agniveer believes that only Agniveer knows the ultimate truth.

Yes, we do critically analyze various ideologies including the ideologies that we were born with in order to discover truth.

So yes, Agniveer believes in a formless omnipotent birthless deathless Supreme Lord, it believes in Ashtanga Yoga as the only path to achieve that Lord.

But that DOES NOT MEAN that Agniveer would hate those who disagree with Agniveer. Nor would Agniveer carry a hidden or explicit agenda to convert everyone to its own ideology. Yes, we call for everyone to convert to Vedic religion. But we have clearly explained what we mean by Vedic religion in http://agniveer.com/what-is-vedic-religion/

To summarize, it refers to an urge to constantly accept truth and reject falsehood to best of one’s abilities and intent regardless of existing beliefs, rituals and habits. In other words, to follow Vedic religion means becoming a Scientist because Veda itself means ‘knowledge’. Even belief in any books called Vedas is not a prerequisite. None other than fanatic minds would attempt to find fault with such a concept. And hence we want the entire world to follow this Vedic religion.

Now when we look at the reality, people are born in different social setups and fed with a variety of versions of truth specific to their societies for a reasonably long period of life. So people tend to define their ‘Self’ as Hindu, Shia, Sunni, Christian, Indian, Pakistani, Kashmiri, Tamil, Japanese etc. The goal of Vedic religion is to rise above these man made distinctions to realize the truth. But for the majority, current belief-system is the starting point and it is impossible to reject all prejudices fed over years since early childhood. So all that Vedic religion urges is to look around, analyze, explore and reject the obvious irrational and gradually move forward. If you feel that sudden clarity like Buddha, feel free to jump ahead faster. But all you have to do is to keep moving up like Fire. This will unleash the legend within.

Why Vedas are different?

We have mentioned this in several other articles but would want to emphasize again. Compared to the popular way of approaching Bible or Quran or Purans or any other religious scripture with whom Vedas are wrongly bracketed mostly, Vedas have a fundamental difference.

And that difference is that unlike any other so-called divine text, you are not threatened by any unseen force to follow blindly or face wrath. Nor are you incentivised with divine support for accepting the dictums of the text. On contrary, Vedas assert that if you believe in something blindly, you shall be punished as per law of actions.

So one is completely Vedic if he cannot understand importance of Vedas. On contrary, blind belief even in Vedas without knowing its meaning puts you in darkness.

When it comes to interpreting divine texts, Bible followers have little options that blindly believe in modern translations of Bible (original is lost. And new ones are also said to be translations of translations of translations of original in different language(s))

You either believe in Jesus that you do not see, or perish in Hell forever. A clergy will not accept someone as true Christian if he believes in many good teachings of Bible but refuses divinity to Jesus or counters many portions of Bible with whom he or she differs.

Same is case with Quran (as per dominant ideology of fanatic Islam). Regardless of all other good or scientific concepts claimed in Quran, you still have to believe in certain unseen things even if your mind cannot reason them or suggests an alternative model of world. So you must consider Muhammad as last Prophet. Mere belief in his being Prophet is also not sufficient. You must believe that he is last one. You must believe in Judgment Day, Heaven, Hell, Angels and an Allah on a throne on 7th sky. If you question any one of these, you are a non-believer and hence would go to Hell.

A rational mind, if born in a fanatic dominated country has limited choice

– either be honest (that since he never saw any of these things and think that logically other models of world can also be given where there are no Prophets, or that Muhammad was not a Prophet but a great man, or that there can be future Prophets as well, or that one does not need angels to talk to Allah, or that instead of Heaven and Hell there can be other ways of redemption, or that Judgment Day can happen every second as per law of Karma) and be killed or punished.

– or pretend to believe blindly and live safe. Thus all actions would be against true spirit of Islam but one would wear its badge to save himself.

– or stop reasoning, get brainwashed, be with power brokers and become a fanatic.

Vedic approach would be that of a scientist. Review the prevailing Vedic models, analyze and accept only what sounds reasonable. Discover more through analysis. Feel free to present alternative or modified models. Discuss with scholars and keep refining. Keep challenging assumptions and continue building better and better models that explain the truth.

When a Vedic mantra is interpreted, one need not blindly mug the mantra or its meaning. One can freely differ from prevailing meanings to come up with new insights. The only criteria is that the meaning discovered should be with reason and free from contradictions.

So Vedas in themselves are not to be taken as absolute truth in same manner that theory of relativity need not be believed in unless one has studied and understood the principles behind. If one jumps the gun and mugs up the Einstein paper on relativity without even knowing the basic laws of physics, we do not call such a person scientist. Newton and Galileo were greater scientists for us because they propagated the truth best known to them in most logical manner. Same is the case with Vedas.

Thus any attempt to denigrate Vedas is a foolish exercise. Even if you somehow convince the world (of people who know nothing of Vedic approach to understanding Mantras) that a particular mantra means something very wrong, that does not matter much. All that people have to do is to clearly reject such a meaning for the mantra that goes against their conscience. This will not bring them punishment as an apostate. And tomorrow, when people become eligible to understand mantra better, they are free to revise their stand as well.

So it is not the book which is important but the knowledge within each of us. Book merely serves as a guide to ensure we are on right track and have right benchmarks in place. Just like any Physics or Mathematics book.

Having said all this, in reality we could not find one single evidence of Vedas having anything objectionable in our research so far. We have already written several articles on this and have shown exactly how Vedas have been deliberately misinterpreted by those who want to defend their verbatim interpretations of some scripture in the era of scientific rationalism. Please review the entire series on http://agniveer.com/vedas/ with comments.

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32 COMMENTS

  1. I have a question about Yajur Veda 30.5 which you translated it as

    ”May the Lord (of world as well as country) give due reward or punishment to various people – Brahmin for promotion of wisdom, Kshatriya for right leadership, Vaishya for conduct of business, Shudras for their selfless service, thief for thriving in darkness, murderers for killing noble people, impotents for sinful acts (one who conducts sinful acts is impotent as per Vedas as he or she is incapable of producing anything worthwhile), terrorists for attacking innocent people, lechers for adultery, criminals for lowly acts..”

    it would be nice if you quote the sanskrit words which you translated as ”May the Lord (of world as well as country) give due reward or punishment to various people”

    Thank you and I hope I will get my answer.

  2. This site is full of hatred…. those who want to become a terrorist should follow “agniveer” because it gives all those misrepresenting information for the religion of the world including hinduism. I am a muslim and will be ever because I worships the God who have created you and me and the whole universe and each and everything present in it. No muslim worships anything except that God who is the one and the only creator. These “agniveer” people are giving the incomplete information of Islam everywhere. If you are really interested in knowing Islam than kick them up and approach a real Scholar of Islam. Approaching these people will not give u knowledge of Islam but the knowledge of hatred, I mean how to misrepresent some one

    • @Mohammed Ali:

      Welcome to Agniveer/Satyagni.

      Where is there hatred? We are the ones saying that each of us is in different phase of the reincarnation cycle and hence as a result our perception of the divine is going to be different.

      You are the guys sayin “No no…ONLY we are right and will go to heaven, you are wrong and will go to hell” 🙁

      Who is hateful here?

    • No you’re wrong on this,Agniveer tansforms fantic minded men to analyse things in a rationale way to which some get offended , those who want to become/ already are terrorist visit Madrassa like IRF which misinterprets and brings enemity among others.


      What proofs you have that you worship god and not a Satan? Cus your god has all the evil qualities .

      >

      All the religion in the worlds claim the same that our god created every thing,then why the should believe in your baloney seriously ?

      First you prove that your god is really a god? What proofs you have? Don’t say because Qur’an / muhamad says so, that a logical fallacy.

      What is so special about Islam? Nothing, bowing 5 times to a Satan , cutting penis to please Allah, reading a 7th century desert book which isn’t compiled in a proper manner, fasting for some hours and then munching bellyfull, killing animal on some eid by saying Allah is the most mericiful, visiting a pagan site called kaba once in life time which gives a passport to brothels ( Islamic paradie) The End.

      >
      We aren’t interest in a 7th century mambo jumbo. . No thanks!

      There is nothing knowledgeable in Islam, infact its a taboo, only fairly tales exists in islam like flying of donkey, weeping of stones etc and plus hatred against non Muslim.

    • //This site is full of hatred…. those who want to become a terrorist should follow “agniveer” because it gives all those misrepresenting information for the religion of the world including hinduism//

      No you’re wrong on this,Agniveer tansforms fantic minded men to analyse things in a rationale way to which some get offended , those who want to become/ already are terrorist visit Madrassa like IRF which misinterprets and brings enemity among others.

      //i am a muslim and will be ever because I worships the God//

      What proofs you have that you worship god and not a Satan? Cus your god has all the evil qualities .

      //God who have created you and me and the whole universe and each and everything present in it//

      All the religion in the worlds claim the same that our god created every thing,then why the should believe in your baloney seriously ?

      //No muslim worships anything except that God who is the one and the only creator//
      First you prove that your god is really a god? What proofs you have? Don’t say because Qur’an / muhamad says so, that a logical fallacy.

      //These “agniveer” people are giving the incomplete information of Islam everywhere//

      What is so special about Islam? Nothing, bowing 5 times to a Satan , cutting penis to please Allah, reading a 7th century desert book which isn’t compiled in a proper manner, fasting for some hours and then munching bellyfull, killing animal on some eid by saying Allah is the most mericiful, visiting a pagan site called kaba once in life time which gives a passport to brothels ( Islamic paradie) The End

      //If you are really interested in knowing Islam than kick them up and approach a real Scholar of Islam//

      We aren’t interested in a 7th century mambo jumbo. . No thanks

      //Approaching these people will not give u knowledge of Islam but the knowledge of hatred, I mean how to misrepresent some one//

      There is nothing knowledgeable in Islam, infact its a taboo, only fairly tales exists in islam like flying of donkey, weeping of stones etc and plus hatred against non Muslim.

    • There are several questions that I have which to my knowledge have not yet been answered by Islam:
      1- If the whole universe (all the stars and planets) were created for the earth then it should surround the earth, but here the earth is surrounding the sun and that surrounds the galaxy. The Quran failed to mention this.
      2- The whole universe was created for humans, the stars at night are used to find your path, etc., but there are billions of planets in the universe. Are they too created for us? What is the use for humans in this?
      3- Allah created all humans from two humans (Adam and Hawwa). Their sons and daughters were sisters and brothers, how could they marry and reproduce among themselves?
      4- Prophet Nooh collected a pair of all the animals on the earth in his Ark. How would it be possible to collect them all? There are still unnamed and unidentified animals on earth. There are also many variety of animals in its own genus, for example; there are more than 200 types of frogs, 300 types of snakes and etc.,
      5- Human and chimpanzee DNA match over 99%, why is it so?
      6- Science has proved that millions of animals lived before the human, why?

      I have left islam for my self respect and for future of my kids as I dont want them to be called terrorists….I feel islam is not for current age and shud be voided.I considering following Buddhism and Hinduism..

      Let me know if any muslim can answer me…

  3. @jay:

    It is easy to convert a beleiving Hindu but a Rationalist will just laugh off the cooked up stories of Heaven and Hell of Christians and Muslims.

    I dont think so. Many of us here are *believing Hindus* of some sort. The difference between us and others who do fall prey to missionary propaganda is the level of our knowledge of Hinduism.

    In fact, I would argue, that a knowledgeable and spiritual Hindu who knows what he is talking about can convert an atheist into rational theology – aka Hinduism.

  4. The Hindus should become Communists and Rationalists. It is easy to convert a beleiving Hindu but a Rationalist will just laugh off the cooked up stories of Heaven and Hell of Christians and Muslims. One the one hand the Catholic Church detest the Communists and on the other they praise Joseph Stalin for preventing the spread of Islam in Europe. The Communist China had no hesitation in crushing the Islamic militancy in Uighur and resettling the Han Chinese from the Main Land. Can we imagine the Indian Govt settling Hindus from UP or Bihar in J & K after removing Article 370?

  5. For getting power in Andhra Congress took help of armed naxalites. Now Congress develops nexus of Christian Missionaries and Maoists to destabilize BJP-BJD led Govt. To remain in power in the North East provinces Congress shook hand ULFA to come back power in Assam. Congress and Communists are encouraging Bangladeshi infiltrators because they are their solid votes. Congress declared Nagaland a Christian province.
    Congress declared Nagaland a Christian province because there was Christians in the majority and they are growing continuously by conversion. This is the reason on the instruction of Sonia Gandhi there is a minority minister Antuley in the cabinet of Manmohan. She is inventing the ways for making Hindus in the minority.
    They are marking the districts villages where Muslims and Christians are in majority. Slowly and slowing they want to make situation in whole India as Nagaland. Demilitarization by India in J&K

  6. This is the version we received. We have mailed Pt MP Arya regarding scan quality. But perhaps he is traveling currently. Meanwhile those seeking answers from him may find it legible enough to enlighten themselves.
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  7. Our mail to those who posted some rebuttal to article of Pt MP Arya and made us an intermediary through public announcement. We request those who know them to communicate this message to them in case they do not receive the mail.
    ——————————
    Namaste

    Thanks for making us an intermediary to this debate. We are publishing response of Pt MP Arya as provided by him at http://www.scribd.com/doc/65624263/Reply-of-Pt-M-P-Arya-to-Wahabis

    He is currently on a tour of remote areas and even our team is travelling. It would be impossible for us to do justice to intermediation due to these exceptional situations. So it would be worthwhile if you could involve some other party in case you require intermediation. We also understand from your post that you are in direct contact with him.

    We sincerely hope that this dialogue brings our hearts closers and fosters an era of brotherhood so that we all can enjoy each other’s presence in Heaven (as defined by Sir Syed Ahmad Khan) without any prerequisite of demanding a change of religion.

    We all keenly await the outcomes of discussions among scholars like you so that the whole world is enlightened to proactively offer Namaz in temples and do Havan/ Kirtan in a mosque to foster brotherhood without fear of sin. We recall how Swami Shradhanand – icon of Hindu Muslim solidarity – recited Vedic mantras at Jama Masjid and united all.

    Om Shantih Shantih
    Agni

    PS:
    Please note that almost all misconceptions raised on Vedas in the article on your site have been covered in our articles http://agniveer.com/5320/vedas-hatred/ and http://agniveer.com/5327/vedas-hatred-2/

    We don’t blame you for the misconceptions as they are very old and get revived from time to time due to perverted actions of miscreants who silently support likes of Osama bin Laden, Racism, Casteism, punishment for apostates and hell for non-believers. They are getting stronger these days as evident by recent terrorist attacks but thankfully world is still a happy place due to tolerant people like you and me who refuse to believe that Almighty God would punish anyone merely because of his theological beliefs.

    We hope these articles would help remove these misconceptions and bring us closer.

  8. @ Agniveer,
    Pranam Agniveer, I request you to kindly elaborate on the so called Violent Verses in the Atharvaved.. it was very unsettling for me when i came to know a year ago that Vedas contain such verses.. then I read them On aryasamajjamnagar.com along with its Hindi Translation.. i was especially concerned about the Group of Verses which you mentioned in the article Atharvaved 5:12:47 to 74… i tried a lot to find the correct meaning even started reading the translations from the beginning of the Chapter.. but somehow find those violent verses very very hard to digest.. i mean why should you tear apart, or shred the person who is “Ved Nindak”???… I even called up Pt. Mahendra Pal Arya and had a discussion with him over this Matter on the phone for over half an hour but was not satisfied.. i even discussed them with my teacher Pt. Rameshchandra ji .. but it just doesnt seep in.. and i tell you its very very Unsettling… Today we are trying to get rid of the Capital Punishment from out Penal code.. and we know its not for nothing… and then when one comes to know about such verses from Vedas it becomes very disturbing… I also cannot believe that Rishis in Deep Meditation gaining the knowledge from Parmatma got such commandments of Tearing asunder, Shredding, burning smoking the “Ved nindaks”.. you have tried to explain in your article that the verses dont exactly mean that… its for people who go against the Laws of Nature.. but the translation on Aryasamajjamnagar.com says a totally different story.. even your explanation is very very short and not satisfying at all… I earnestly request you please please Explain that whole chapter in detail… dont take group of verses please take the Whole 5:12 Chapter of Atharvaved… no matter how long it takes to publish it on this site .. I will wait for another 6 months or a Year or any length of time you ask me to.. but brother please clear the clouds once and for all.

    Dhanyavaad

    • @Atman

      We can do that over a period of time. However the crux is that:
      1. The verses do not necessarily talk about person but about traits. The subject of the Sukta is Brahmagavi – which means irrefutable laws of nature.

      No mantra says that you should kill anybody or destroy anybody. However the mantras says that those who attempt to destroy or counter the irrefutable laws of nature get destroyed themselves. Mantras detail how they get destroyed allegorically.

      The mantras say that this Brahmagavi is very powerful – it can bring greatest of bliss you you comply with it. But if you try to refute it, it becomes very brutal.

      There is nothing wrong about it – simply facts of common observations. Look at what happened to many a dictators and criminals. And those who escape being punished in this birth get to pay the debt in next birth as per laws of nature.

      The mantras can be interpreted in various domains – our own self, society, nation or world as a whole.

      The mantras thus also instruct the ruler on how to deal with terrorists and miscreants.

      2. As for Capital punishment, there is a movement to get rid of it. But yes, as per Vedas, that is not correct. For crimes like terrorism, murder and rape, Vedic culture does recommend capital punishment. This is not brutality but kindness to society as a whole. By punishing selective miscreants you ensure that others live trouble free.

      Please note that vedas do not recommend physical punishment for intellectual crimes. So if you refuse to believe in Vedas or have your own ideology, that does not make you criminal. But yes, if you get into terrorism, murders, rape, Vedas do assert that you be given the same treatment as meted out to Osama Bin Laden.

      3. Interestingly, there is no word as ‘Ved-Nindak’ in any of the mantras. As I said, the word is Brahmagavi or its equivalent. So the interpretation of mantras having anything to do with critic of vedas is absolutely baseless if you consider Ved to mean any book here. However, if you interpret Ved to mean knowledge, then it does make some sense.

      4. The Atharvaveda translation by Pt Khemkaran (one on Jamnagar site) is full of flaws. He translated Atharavveda long ago under trying circumstances. SO language, intent and interprations significantly err at places. Unfortunately Swami dayanand could not work on Atharvaveda due to his untimely murder. Refer translation by Pt Jaydeva Sharma and Vishwanath Vidyalankar which are much more authentic.

      Ideally we would like to have a contemporary interpretation of all the Vedas but we need to have significant resources to accomplish that. Such a feat has been rarely achieved in last 1000 years.

      Dhanyavad

    • who’s God .. ?
      Lord Krishna or Vishnu or the Bramha ?

      this the 1st thing I really wan 2 know n understand..

      Or its on our own discretion 2 grant the status of the almighty God 2 any 1 we r pleased with, out of the above mentioned Trinity’s ?

      wat if at any point I wanna shuffle between the trio.

      I’m looking 4ward 2 embrace the Veda..
      help needed
      :ASAP:

      • Vishnu and Krishna are exactly the same. if lord can take one form ,he can assume many forms.Jeevatma(individual soul)=paramatma soul of Vishnu /shiva =para brahmam (God)

        However individual humans are ignorant and so associate ourselves with our body and mind but Krishna always live in Brahmam counceousness.

        Brahma is also paramatma but why Brahma is considered partial incarnation because, his enlightentment /knowledge is some times little less than Vishnu or Shiva because he is creator God.

        creation is karma.Karma leads to prarabdha (residual sins and good) . prarabdha leads to ignorance about true nature of self. Brahmaji has no sins or punya-merits, still as creator God his status is little lower.

  9. majority of human rights abuse cases that come in limelight today, and the most violent places of world today are those who claim to be Islamic.

    Bingo! I wouldnt debate with fanatics so much if they didnt want to create countries for themselves based on unprovable and unverifiable beliefs! Momins – If your religion is so true, why are you afraid of other religions and why do you prevent other religions from your lands with the attendant penalty of death?

    On a different note, I was surprised there are sects of Islam that believe in the soul’s reincarnation. Shubhan Allah!

  10. Agniveer,

    The attempts to deride Vedas by the stooges of Zakir Naik is about attempting to secure a badly needed PARITY, where, the violence quotient is concerned. Here is an instance of their depth and breadth of knowledge in Vedas. During a discussion on characterization of Agni, they challenged me to produce a verse that links Agni and Satya (the truth). When I pointed out the verse, they simply changed topics and continued to claim that Vedic God was fictitious. That is the level of understanding they have. Behind all the bravado lies high levels of insecurity. In another instance, they tied incorrect contexts between Atharvana Veda and Rig Veda and claimed that Vedas are inconsistent. When the evidence that contradicted the claim was shown, they,as always, switched to a different topic.

    The ones that invent violence in Vedas are those that cannot / will not take unequivocal position on life and death issues, without taking recourse to traditions of Hadith narrations, the Shariah laws that a geographical area is governed by, the fiqh school that one belongs to, having to determine whether or not one is a Quran ONLY Muslim or a Quran + Hadith Muslim. To me, if someone leaves our faith, killing him for that is wrong. We can attempt to explain to him intellectually and try to bring him back. But killing him is wrong & I state that with conviction. Can the same be stated with clarity by someone that is ZN’s stooge?

    The very fact that someone lives in our land and spits venom against the ancestral faith is a positive proof of what Dharmic ethos are about, where tolerance is concerned. Can this play out in the reverse in a place like Iran or Saudi Arabia? And the Islamic countries outside India are so insecure that they have to ban websites and make people like Salman Rushdi and Wafa Sultan and Taslim nasreen run for their lives. But one of the darshanas within the ambit of Hindu philosophy is the Nastik school. So there we go. Anybody with basic common sense will understand where the intolerance stems…

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