Q: Some scholars say that Ishwar does not act and has no properties. He simply witnesses whatever happens and universe is managed through the laws He has designed.

A:

1. Ishwar on contrary is the most dynamic entity. And his properties are infinite. However his dynamism does not mean that He Himself changes but that He is source of all actions.

2. What we term as laws is actually Ishwar performing actions in most perfect manner. So perfect are these that we are able to see them being conducted accurately each time. Some of His actions thus can be translated into mathematical equations as well. And a repeatable perfect unexplained phenomenon witnessed by us is termed as ‘Law’ by us because we cannot go beyond it to know how it happens.

This is simply like a deaf-blind child being fed consistently by his mother since childhood whenever he weeps. And then the child claiming that its a ‘Law’ that whenever he cries, he gets food!

Unless there is a cause, there can be no effect. And Ishwar is the ultimate cause.

3. Shwetashwatar Upanishad 6.8 puts it as: Ishwar can conduct His duties without requiring external support. None is comparable or better than Him. He is the Supreme with infinite powers and infinite dynamism. Had Ishwar not been dynamic, it would have been impossible to create, manage and destroy the universe. He is animate, all-pervading and most active.

4. When he acts, he acts in most optimized manner depending upon the time and space for the particular action – neither less nor more. Afterall He is all perfect!

Q: Does Ishwar incarnate or not?

A: No. Because Vedas clearly define Him as unborn, formless and unchangeable. On contrary Vedas state that He is able to perform ALL His duties at ALL times maintaining His unchangeable identity.

Refer Yajurveda 34.53 (He is unborn and maintaining One single identity always) and Yajurveda 40.8 (He is always uniform, without body, without nerves, without gaps and unchangeable).

Q: What about incarnations like Sri Krishnainstant? He clearly asserts in Geeta 4.7 that whenever there is a decay of Dharma (virtues) and rise of Adharma (evil), I incarnate on this earth.

A:

1. There is NO similar mantra in Vedas to assert that Ishwar takes birth. Since Vedas alone is supreme evidence, Geeta has to be interpreted only in lines of Vedas.

2. Sri Krishna was a noble yogi. It is natural tendency of noble people to desire for protection of Dharma and destruction of Adharma. Selflessness is an innate trait of great people. Thus Sri Krishna wanted to take birth again and again to serve the cause of Dharma. We bow to such great thoughts of Sri Krishna and that is why He is our role model.

3. Some people say that Ishwar has to take incarnation to destroy evil people like Ravana and Kansa. However this is too petty a thing for Ishwar to demand His flouting of Vedic rules and take birth. When He can create, maintain, destroy entire universe and manage the Karma-cycle of each soul, why should He take birth for such minute tasks? Afterall He resides within bodies of Ravana and Kansa also and governs each act of theirs. He can easily destroy them whenever He believes is right opportunity.

4. And if someone says He needs to take birth to set right examples, this is also incorrect. Because He is already setting greater examples by maintaining us all so perfectly. Can there be greater example than management of entire universe! The devotees would understand His greatness by this itself.

He guides us all though ‘inner voice’ and exemplary role models inspired by Ishwar whose deeds further inspire us.

5. Further Ishwar is beyond restrictions of hunger, thirst, pain, pleasure, ignorance, mortal actions, results of actions, life, death. Refer Yoga Darshan 1.24. If you read stories of incarnations, you would find these alleged-incarnations to be affected by these tendencies that can affect ONLY souls and NOT Ishwar. To say that Ishwar gets subject to these mortal traits is insult of all-perfect Ishwar.

6. If someone says that Ishwar is not affected by these traits but only pretends to be affected by these to demonstrate humanness, this again is insult of Ishwar. Because Ishwar is truth Himself. He is not a drama artist and never pretends. He exhibits only what is truth alone. He leads us from pretense towards truth. (Refer Yajurveda 31.18)

7. Also if we consider that Rama or Krishna were Ishwar Himself, there is nothing great that they achieved in their lives. For Ishwar, who can create, manage and destroy entire universe, killing some petty people on a small planet earth, and that too after lots of tortures and failures, is actually a mockery of His capabilities.

But if we consider these people -Rama, Krishna etc – to be Ishwar-inspired superheroes, what they achieved was amazing and among greatest examples for rest of us. They thus are benchmarks for us to model our own lives and character in lines with true worshippers of Ishwar.

8. Thus Vedas have no place for stories of incarnations. The concept of incarnation is a very recent one. And since this concept emerged, we have got weaker and weaker. From being rulers of entire globe, we have brought ourselves down to a level where we have no proper rights in our own country.

9. Its a pity that we waste billions of dollars in worshipping imaginary incarnations of Ishwar in wrong manner but do not consolidate resources and energies to do true worship of Ishwar by following right examples of the great men whom we worship as incarnations. That is why despite our best of noble intentions, genuine love for Supreme, we have stupid things like birth-based caste-system and gender discrimination, attacks by invaders like fanatic cults, christianization, corruption, immorality etc spread all around us. And instead of fighting these out, we waste the gift of Ishwar – our energies, capabilities – in non-productive activities.

10. True respect to Ram, Krishna, Hanuman etc would come not by considering them as major or minor Ishwar and putting water, flower, milk on them and chanting songs hailing them as Ishwar. But by doing what they did – making our bodies strong, doing exercises to increase power, meditation, disciplined routine, high character, increasing knowledge, understanding our true Dharma or Vedas, fighting Ravans and Kansa all around, saving dignity of motherly-force (women) all around and establishing true Rama Rajya.

This is true worship of Ishwar and there are no shortcuts to this.

11. To those organizations and groups who vociferously defend concept of incarnation, our humble request is to set right examples by indulging in debates with Muslims and Christians, counter them actively, and spend a bulk of the billions of dollars they earn through donations at temples for defending the Dharma, working among so-called Dalits and untouchables, conversion movements, conducting massive Shuddhi programs and hence follow true examples of Ram and Krishna.

Adi Shankaracharya writes in his Paraa-Puja:

“How can we invoke or submerge (Ahwan and Visarjan) of the omnipresent Ishwar? What use is Asan or seat for One who is already holding us all? What use is water to clean feet and face of the Ishwar who is the most pure? How can we have him take bath? The entire universe is within Him, how can we put clothes on Him? How can we put Janeu or Yajnopaveet (Sacred Thread) over Him when He is beyond the division of Varnas or classes? How can we do physical worship of the one who is Unbroken, All-knowing, All-powerful, One and only One, Formless and Omnipresent?”

Q: I understand. So instead of incarnations, Ishwar/ God sends Prophets. Right?

A: The concept of Ishwar or God sending Prophets is the most silly concept to have. For example, Muslims consider that Allah is all-powerful yet believe in Prophets. Thus they imply that Allah is not capable enough to directly guide the living beings and hence has to use agents like Prophets and Angels to help Him out.

And look at the defective ways of God when he acts through Prophets. Jesus is supposed to be a Prophet and he could not help document the Bible properly. Whatever he did goes in vain because original Bible does not exist. Similarly Muhammad is alleged to be a Prophet of Allah but could not properly document Quran during his lifetime. He did not even know that his book will be called Quran. The Quran was later compiled only 20 years after his death, in most controversial manner. The oldest Quran available today is 300 years after Muhammad’s death and is said to be copy of the Quran compiled 20 years after his death. Such are the ways of those superstitious cults who believe in Prophets.

But Vedic Ishwar is truly all-Powerful and hence directly communicates with all souls instead of using agents. He revealed the Vedas at inception of humanity (refer Origin of Vedas ) and then continuously guides all living beings. He inspired us to secure Vedas – the oldest texts – in most rigorous manner. And what more, through His inner voice, He ensures that even if we do not have access to Vedas, we are still nurtured and guided by Him like a mother caring for her child.

Vedic Ishwar is within us and outside us. So He needs no third-party outsourcing agents to guide us. So ONLY such an omniscient omnipresent all-powerful caring and just Ishwar should be worshipped by us. All prophets are falsehoods and gravest insult to glory of Ishwar. Hence they should be immediately rejected by those who have any respect for Ishwar/ Allah or God.

Q: Does Ishwar not forgive sins of His devotees?

A:

1. Yes He does. But only sins of future. By being true worshippers of Ishwar, our mind gets purified and hence we do lesser and lesser sins in future. Ishwar ensures this purification process.

2. But the sins of past are never forgiven. Each act of ours, good or bad, must provide appropriate results. No record is deleted. However the results are such that they are meant only for our best benefits to progress towards ultimate bliss. This is due to His unconditional kindness.

3. Thus people who do special rituals, fastings, pilgrimage, baths in vain attempt to have their past records deleted are fooling themselves. You would thus see that fraud politicians, actors etc being bit too ‘close’ to Ishwar. Thus vulgar films start with picture of deity/ place of worship or a religious verse. Such people conduct massive religious events and visit temples, dargahs, mosques bit too often. Not only it acts as publicity stunt, they also do this as a balancing act to delete off the most disgusting sins they conduct on a regular basis.

4. But just as obesity is not cured merely by popping a pill or saying ‘Sorry’, the tendencies of sins do not get deleted instantaneously. It demands constant efforts and till that stage is reached, each sin committed would be accounted for without any deletions or account balancing.

5. In fact Ishwar does not wait to do justice. The moment we do any act- good or bad – He starts giving us the result. However tangible effects of these results are observed by us immediately or after some time depending upon the act and our own level of sensitivity. When there is a delay in sensing the results, we term it as results of a past deed. But in reality, the process was happening constantly right from the moment we conducted the deed. This is like diabetes happening continuously through each food we have eaten or exercise we have done or not or stress we took or not. But its effect may be manifested only after a period of time.

6. Further if Ishwar were to delete past records of sins, He can no more remain just. Because everyone would have tendency to conduct sins right now and then say sorry later like fraud people mentioned above. And if Ishwar listens to them, this would only motivate this foolishness of theirs even further. Even people who do not commit sins would be motivated to commit sins. Hence Ishwar being just and kind both, ensures that each and every act of ours are given the due fruits – neither less nor more but only for our benefit.

So ALL THOSE CULTS who attract people by luring them with forgiving of sins through Confession or Acceptance of Prophet (for example modern Islam and Christianity) are insulting Ishwar and fooling everyone including themselves. All sensible persons should immediately reject them.

Q: We hear that Ishwar knows whatever happend in past, is happening now and would happen in future. Thus whatever He knows, souls have to act accordingly. Hence soul is not free to act and merely is a puppet. Still soul is punished by Ishwar unjustly.

A:

This allegation is true for those cults who believe that God has written everyone’s destiny beforehand. For example many Muslims, based on fake Quran and Hadiths, believe that Allah has compiled every future event in Lohe Mehfooz already and keeps it under his throne. They thus make Allah a psychopathic dictator who created souls and then forces them to act as per His whims. He punishes some souls, lures others to do sins and illegitimately favor other souls. If such a book indeed exists, that is only insult to Almighty Ishwar. Refer God Must be Crazy!

Further when Allah knows all, why He is required to create a book (Lohe Mehfooz) that ONLY He can read? Does He fear that He will have loss of memory? Also, does the book also has written that Allah will write Lohe Mehfooz? Such a theory is childish and full of blatant loopholes.

But such imaginations are not relevant for Vedic Ishwar.

a. Past refers to what was there but is no more existing now. Future refers to what does not exist right now. But Ishwar’s knowledge is always same and uniform and true. In other words things which do not exist does not fall in domain of Ishwar’s knowledge.

Future and Past is only for souls not for Ishwar who is beyond such a limitation of time. With respect to actions of soul, one can say that Ishwar knows past, present and future, but not inherently. In other words, Ishwar knows what a soul does and what results He has to give rightfully. But neither Ishwar has to look back in past to know history nor He needs to look into future to discover what is going to happen. He is always in present and possesses true independent knowledge at all times of both actions as well as results.

We shall discuss properties of soul later, but note that soul is somewhat free in acting in present (subject to its past actions resulting in its present sanskaars or tendencies) but completely dependent on Ishwar for results of these actions. Now Ishwar ensures that these results are such that the sanskaars of soul are modified to help the soul use his limited independence in best possible manner in order to increase his limit of free will further and achieve bliss in most optimal manner. This keeps happening every moment in a continuous manner.

The entire field of Yoga is based on harnessing this law of Ishwar to best of our benefit.

Q: Is soul also Ishwar and becomes Ishwar after salvation or Moksha? If not, what is Advait?

A: We shall study nature of soul in greater detail in a later lesson. But to briefly answer, soul is not Ishwar. If souls were Ishwar, it is already Ishwar right now. Why are we then unable to manage the entire universe right now and one soul (Ishwar) keeps fighting against another soul (Ishwar) when they are one and same? If you say because of Maya or Ignorance, this means that Ishwar is also affected by Ignorance. Now this is against Vedas which clearly say that Ishwar is beyond limitations of ignorance and remains so always.

Further if I am Ishwar and unable to realize that I am Ishwar, then who is managing the universe right now? If you say that I am drop of the ocean-like ‘major Ishwar or Brahma’ who is managing the universe, then what is the guarantee that that ‘major Ishwar’ is also not affected by ignorance and sins and hence managing the universe wrongly in corrupt manner? After all that Ishwar is also me myself and I know I am ignorant right now!

This all will lead to fallacious logic which may sound good in poems and quotations, but cannot be termed logically sound.

Vedas nowhere give such a concept of soul being Ishwar and instead clearly state that soul and Ishwar are separate.

Advait refers to the Vedic concept of One and Only One Ishwar. It means that there is only One Ishwar and no more. He alone is to be worshipped.

Q: If that be so, why did Shankaracharya talk about Soul and Ishwar being same?

A: Shankaracharya was a Vedic scholar who lived during an era when atheism was getting prevalent. He countered Atheism by arguments that whatever can be proved by Atheism, can be proved even more convincingly by considering Soul to be Ishwar itself. Had he not done so, we would not have been able to safeguard Vedic wisdom. We are deeply indebted to Him for serving this great cause.

When Shankaracharya was born, already the traditions of deriving scientific knowledge from Vedas was almost non-existent. Vedas were being considered books of rituals alone. Thus even Shankaracharya did not dwell into Vedas and focussed on Vedanta, Geeta and Upanishads which were most popular during those times. He thus based his arguments on these great books and countered Atheism. He did this as per instructions of Nyaya Darshan which allow Vitanda or relatively better logic to counter a more dangerous convention in short-term. Note however that scope of Vitanda is restricted only to logical reasoning and NOT facts themselves.

Here is an example of Vitanda:
Initial Convention:
All apostates who reject Islam and propagate against it should be killed – Zakir Naik
Vitanda Logic:
From point of view of apostate, rest of the population has rejected his religion and are propagating Islam, hence they should be killed and not him.
Initial Convention:
But its a Muslim majority state. Hence its the apostate being against the entire state who should be killed and not rest of the people of the state. – Zakir Naik
Vitanda Logic:
By this logic, Muhammad must have been killed when he first propagated Islam. Because he was the only one knowing Islam and entire state did not believe in Islam.

Note that we do not imply that all people should be killed or Muhammad should have been killed. But we use these arguments ONLY to counter a stupid argument that is very prevalent among large number of ignorant people.

Same is the case with Advait arguments. Shankaracharya used these to establish existence of Ishwar and counter atheism. And after he had defeated all anti-vedic Atheist ideologies but before he could provide us more from his brilliant intellect, he died at a very young age of 32. So we wrongly consider him as believer of Soul=Ishwar.

In fact there are a large number of verses from his commentaries on Vedanta, Upanishads and Gita that hint at his being a believer of Ishwar and Soul being different. This would be a different research based discussion all together that we may take up once bulk of believers of foreign faiths of West have been brought back into the original Vedic fold in next few years.

But regardless of the intellectual debate, just imagine the wonders he could accomplish within such a short time! 25 years is the minimum time required to covered the very basics of gurukul education. And at age of 32, we have a great scholar who changed the future of our country and world! Let us all bow to his great brilliance and pray to Ishwar that He gifts us all with similar intellect.

Q: Is Ishwar Saguna or Nirguna?

A: We have explored this question in Understanding Vedic God and Lets learn Vedic Worship in detail. Please see there.

Q: Is Ishwar Raagi (full of passions and emotions) or Virakta (one who has renounced passions)

A: Ishwar is neither of them and beyond such tendencies. Because passion is for things which are not already part of us. And renunciation happens for things we possessed earlier. But Ishwar already possesses whatever is required and cannot renounce anything because He is always omnipresent.

Q: Does Ishwar have any desires?

A: Ishwar does not have the kind of desires that we see in souls. Souls desire for things they do not possess. So how can possessor of everything desire anything? And being completely blissful, He does not need to desire for even bliss. However He motivates the creation, maintenance and destruction of universe with the objective of providing happiness to souls. This is termed ‘Iskhana’ of Ishwar or purposefulness of His actions.

Those who consider that Ishwar desires worship from souls (like Zakir Naik) are actually insulting Ishwar as being self-indulging praise-loving dictator. Whatever worship we do is to improve ourselves and no way affects the Ishwar.

We shall discuss nature of our own Self subsequently.

Note: We have provided views directly from Vedas which may be different from what many of us may have been led to believe in for various reasons rising due to sidelining of Vedas. However for sake of unity we would not like to debate unnecessarily on these topics until we have addressed the foremost priority asevident from our prayers in Vedic Worship – strengthening of nation in rightful manner.

May Ishwar grant us all the wisdom to adopt the Dharma followed by our role models like Rama and Krishna. And specially encourage our own brothers and sisters who follow foreign cults full of superstitions and blind-faith to come back to their original home of Vedas. May we all unite together and make our nation the world-leader in benevolence for entire world. The only way for this is true worship of true Ishwar and may that happen very soon!

This article is also available in Gujarati at http://agniveer.com/god-vedas-hinduism-gu/

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MALLESWARI
Jesus Christ is the son of God directly from heaven Don’t think that he simply as a prophet 2015 years ago God came to earth as a normal human being with blood inside the body and he sacrifice himself by hanging on cross Pls follow all Vedas and all upanishad… Read more »
Prabh

No greater Light has entered Earth (or ever will) than Baba Nanak.

Jyothish Vijay
God is impersonal, yet everything that we see is an expansion of God……God is everywhere……just like reflection of sun is well seen in a clean mirror compared to foggy mirror….the godliness is manifested greatly in some and less in others…….those who established the godliness arebthus called gods themselves Nowhere in… Read more »
Himank Jain
God in Hindus is a wider concept then just a symbol hence nature itself is worshiped as god. I find it extremely beautiful as a concept. Har Har Mahadev means each one of us has Mahadev within thats how Hinduism take the concept of god. Hinduism preach to worship Sun,… Read more »
Benson

The ruler of this earth is Satan and in everything there is evil. The Creator created Sun and how come it became God? Did Sun said worship me ?

Supriya

Are inanimate things or objects conscious ? Do they possess intelligence and emotions ?

Gyan Surya

Supriya

Nothing is concious except soul and supreme soul (God).

Supriya

Gyan Surya
Go through this link
http://www.highexistence.com/water-experiment/

Supriya
Gyan Surya I asked this question to Sanjeev Agniveer, IIT IIM graduate. But you replied. Thanks to you.( I don’t know whether you belong to Agniveer team or not ). As per my understanding everything in the universe is conscious. We all know that everything animate and inanimate things are… Read more »
ATHUL MOHAN
HELLO AGNIVEER GURU DON’T SEE ME AS A OBSTINATE.I AM JUST ASKING MY DOUBTS.OH AGNI! YOU PURIFIED EVERY THING WHICH ENCOUNTERED YOU JUST LIKE CLEAR AND PURIFY DOUBTS TO.GURU AGNIVEER WHO SAID U THAT THERE ONLY ONE GOD???DON’T ANSWER TO ME LIKE MY PHYSICS TEACHERS DID.WHEN I ASK STRONG DOUBTS… Read more »
ATHUL MOHAN
HELLO AGNIVEER GURU DON’T SEE ME AS A OBSTINATE.I AM JUST ASKING MY DOUBTS.OH AGNI! YOU PURIFIED EVERY THING WHICH ENCOUNTERED YOU JUST LIKE CLEAR AND PURIFY DOUBTS TOO.GURU AGNIVEER WHO SAID U THAT THERE ONLY IS ONLY ONE GOD???DON’T ANSWER TO ME LIKE MY PHYSICS TEACHERS DID.WHEN I ASK… Read more »
Sanatan Dharma

@Agniveer Ji
When this article will be in Hindi? “God of Vedas and Hinduism”

Ishwar Das
It is important to realize this fact before stating things against Lord Ram/Krishn not being God. The man who wrote Vedas and Puran and Upnishad was Ved Vyas. Yes I know Vedas came from mouth of God but Ved Vyas put them in written form. Now just that point alone… Read more »
Ishwar Das
First I like to say I respect many things that you guys are doing but my problem has always been that you speak ill against Lord Krishn/Ram. Many verses in the Vedas imply directly that God has form. In order for Dayanand swami to be right then many other great… Read more »
Mac
Parmeshwar or God Almighty or Elohim (plural of Eloah) or YWHW (I AM WHO I AM) has a form and all spiritual beings including God Almighty are in spiritual bodies. A spiritual body is immortal. The last of God’s creation was Adam and Eve, mankind. Genesis 1:26 Then God said,… Read more »
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Truth Seeker: A query
@Agniveer/All Scholars _________And if someone says He needs to take birth to set right examples, this is also incorrect. Because He is already setting greater examples by maintaining us all so perfectly. Can there be greater example than management of entire universe! The devotees would understand His greatness by this… Read more »
Vajra
Namaste Bro TS Eeshvar never changes/breaks the laws. He never deviates from His path. He never stops loving someone because he/she has stopped loving Him. He gives prosperity to even those who criticize Him every time but deserve to get flourished as per their otherwise good deeds. His laws are… Read more »
gajendra
i recommend agniveer to please read this http://rockmine.blogspot.com/2011/12/why-avatar-in-hinduism-reincarnation.html It is not so simple to just say that god does not take avatars since he is infinite he can do everything without doing nothing. A grand dad dresses up as santa and delivers gifts to his kid even though the kid… Read more »
GOD IS GREAT
First of all, wishing a Happy 26th January to all of you… Brother Gajendra One thing we should understand is: GOD is one but has many attributes associated with it. GOD is… 1>>> All blissful creator — Brahma 2>>> Omnipresent — Vishnu 3>>> Protector of all — Narayan 4>>> Welfare… Read more »
Bagyaraj
GIG, Have some objections .Correct me if i am wrong. Seventh Avatar – Sri Rama – The perfect civilized human (Rama with a bow & noble practices) Eighth Avatar – BalaRama – The human with occupational skills (Rama with the plough – agriculture is his occupation) Ninth – Sri Krishna… Read more »
GOD IS GREAT
Well Sir, we are no one to discuss who were Avatars. I only showed why Avatar concept was developed. It was made to indicate various milestones in life. I think Bhagavata is wrong if it does not count Buddha here. Buddha means resort to peace and spirituality. According to me,… Read more »
Bagyaraj
GIG, As per your way of thinking and as per your aim what you said is correct and i give objection only to show you that our scriptures said so. It is not a counter and not to reduce the importance of Lord Buddha please.Let us take the good from… Read more »
GOD IS GREAT
See this too. http://www.ramarajyam.org/avatars-and-evolution-1 Similarly, Shiv’s various incarnations are learning mechanisms. (Vishnu Avatars were milestones. Shiv Avatars are methods and they don’t die.) Service oriented learning — Nandishvara who is symbol of service Visual learning — Dakshinamurty who teaches through total silence Practical learning — Hanuman who gave practical proof… Read more »
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satyaaasman

@agniveer lately i have a question in my mind do you(agniveer) support narendra modi?

Vajra
satyaaa…. Your hatred for Modi and Thakrey is not justified. Do you hate Muslim ghazis that invaded our motherland and converted masses at the point of sword? Do you hate Akbar who butchered 30,000 Hindus in single day during the conquest of Chittaur fort? I have not seen your hatred… Read more »
Truth Seeker

@satyaaasman
Brother what u think on this.
http://agniveer.com/2728/god-vedas-hinduism/#comment-41873

satyaaasman
vajra do action get result why to trust on next birth….. i dont believe in destiny but hardwork,technic and discipline coz that is hand in hand just do it and get it. i am athiest in a sense that i cudnt convince myself that there is a god and who… Read more »
Vajra
satyaaa… ——–i dont believe in destiny but hardwork,technic and discipline coz that is hand in hand just do it and get it.——— Thats good! I will help you build your theory from here. If you agree that every deed should result in fruit and every fruit must correspond to some… Read more »
satyaaasman
@vajra you have been consistently trying to include quran in discussion havent u? i hope u r not trying to transfer our discussion to another platform……I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT I HAVE NO THEORY. but it’d be more logical if we get results in this very life coz next birth… Read more »
satyaaasman
thats the fault of your theory.if your theory were true god would have made this flawless. . . . . . how did you convince yourself that next birth stuff is right?……plz dont ans me like you did in karma theory.if u can give me the vector answer not scalar… Read more »
Vajra
satyaaaaa… Any updates on contradictions b/w your demands (you are yet to share your theory) and Quran? BTW whom you replied? Please specify always whom you are replying. Which flaw you are talking about? How Quranic God’s method is flawless? Do you subscribe to Islamic view of Taqdir (destiny)? If… Read more »
satyaaasman

@all muslim is my identity. and i am proud of that. if you have to make fun like you use to make it.do it. it wont affect me.

Truth Seeker
@satyaaasman ______l muslim is my identity. and i am proud of that.___________ I am also proud to be Muslim but I hate those people who denigrate Great Mohamad & Allah. I am against the people who put blame on Great Mohamad that he did sex with his daughter & with… Read more »
shravak

phew, is it final?

satyaaasman

@vajra you know 2+3=5 is true for all faiths. hope you get it.

Vajra
Dear friend Satyaaa Then why did you say that you have no faith? Your faith is logic and reasoning, am I right? So using logic, please offer a better theory that solves the puzzles of life than Theory of Karma. BTW you cease to be a Muslim if you doubt… Read more »
satyaaasman

@vajra i have given you my theory. my questions are still unanswered.

Vajra
satyaaa… Even as per Quran you dont reap fruits for all deeds in one life. In fact in the absence of any freewill there is no deed in first place as per Islam. Also many deeds are forgiven without giving fruits! So your theory contradicts with conventional Quranic view point.… Read more »
satyaaasman

@vajra i have no faith.

KalBhairav

@aasman:

Lolz man…Werent you the same genius that said:

islam means peace. it is just hijacked by some wrong persons. fear judgement day kafiro here.

In any case what exactly do you intend to prove with these questions? Yes, the Problem of Evil is a difficult nut to crack for ANY religion…so?

Vajra

@satyaaa

Then how will you judge my reply? How will you decide whether my theory is better or worse than yours in the absence of your own theory?

satyaaasman
i have’nt got any theory.but if i have to formulate any then i will say that results of our actions must meet in this very life.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . i dont… Read more »
krishna
to give the rewards of all actions in this life would never be possible… as this would be very clear because first is karma and then is its fruit. it most obvious that in many cases a person wont beb able to get all his fruits … eg. 1. suppose… Read more »
KalBhairav
@aasman: but if i have to formulate any then i will say that results of our actions must meet in this very life Theories are not formulated based on what you *like* to see. You need to take the world as given. That is your data. THEN, based on observing… Read more »
shravak
Nonsense, you’re still a fanatic muslim! Don’t try to fool us. You won’t say mumbai bcoz you are proud of your colonial masters. You won’t revert to your ancestral faith becoz you’re proud of your Arab/Turkish masters who tortured your forefathers. I don’t know if thackrey will going to suffer… Read more »
Truth Seeker

@shravak/satyaaasman
Brother Sharvak, Satyaa hates with thakre but he love with Kasab, Afjal, Daud, Osama, alkayada, Taliban, his Arab masters.

shravak

@satyaa

you are not getting the message here. you hate thackrey bcoz he incited the violence against your fraternity. Now, what about those who have killed and tortured your ancestors? do you love them?

Truth Seeker
@satyaaasman Bal Thakre is not a big fish, He is just in news for his aggressive/irresponsible speech. But he is not running terrorist camp & involves in Bumb Blasts & sending terrorist in other countries to terrorize the people Like Islamic fanatic doing new a days & But we need… Read more »
satyaaasman
@shravak . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .… Read more »
shravak
@Satya You’re confused. First you posed like a Jehadi, then an inquisitor and now an Athiest. Before posting questions, first decide what you are. Agniveer doesn’t discriminate people based on thier faith until unless if you’re spreading hatred against any community be it christian, muslim or anyone. Be sincere, don’t… Read more »
satyaaasman
imagine the situation. A was a very good man but he was poor. he needed money badly. for this he robbed a bank ,didnt hurt anyone. police couldnt trace. A did business with his money and became rich. now he gives charity. help poor people. HOW THE KARMA THEORY MANAGE… Read more »
satyaaasman
imagine the situation. A was a very good man but he was poor. he needed money badly. for this he robbed a bank ,didnt hurt anyone. police couldnt trace. now A did business with his money and became rich. now he gives charity. help poor people. HOW THE KARMA THEORY… Read more »
satyaaasman

@vajra dawood ibrahim have been commiting sinister activities. he is doing bad karma inspite of that have been living good life(dont say he is not). how the karma theory works here. CONT.

Vajra

Satyaaasman

Before replying I would like to know your faith so that I can compare my theory with yours on the topic and settle the issue forever.

satyaaasman

@vajra god is everywhere and he is seeing us . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . why didnt he stop the recent bomb blast?? why he let terrorist kill innocents?

Truth Seeker

@Agniveer
Why are u moderating my comment?

ALLAH WAS NOT OMNISCIENT.
ALLAH WAS NOT OMNISCIENT.
ALLAH WAS NOT OMNISCIENT. 11. “And when we said unto the angels, worship Adam, they all worshipped him except Eblis (Satan), who refused, and was puffed up with pride and became of the number of the unbelievers.” 2: 32.) C. ~ This indicates that the Mohammedan God was not Omniscient… Read more »
GOD IS GREAT

Allah was not omniscient

Excellent response. But it is only half shown. Can you post the remaining portion?
That will give some education to terrorism a.k.a. Islam
Thanks

satyaaasman
@vajra so u r saying these 3 phases creation,sustainance and dissolution are relative??? yes or no . . . . . . IS GOD PRESENT EVERYWHERE? IS HE SEEING US CONT.?
Vajra

satyaaasman

——-so u r saying these 3 phases creation,sustainance and dissolution are relative?—–

It is good assumption to start with to understand philosophy. You can certainly modify it once you start thinking logically keeping aside the hatred for others.

———IS GOD PRESENT EVERYWHERE? IS HE SEEING US CONT.?——-

Yes. Yes.

satyaaasman
@vajra 1.suppose i take your god’s holding concept now. . . . . doesnt it possible god has made all the natural forces like gravitation etc to holding us and he is doing nothing.. . . . . . . 2.when karma theory has its own role of giving result.… Read more »
Vajra
cont.. ———when karma theory has its own role of giving result. what way god has to do with it?——— Law of Karma is like fire that burns down coal to ashes when BROUGHT near coal and enriches gold when BROUGHT near gold. But it itself does not know whom to… Read more »
Vajra
Satvan Aasman ——–doesnt it possible god has made all the natural forces like gravitation etc to holding us and he is doing nothing——– 1. Balanced forces themselves are acting because of Him. Why should I exclude God from this system during sustenance? God of Vedas is not God of Satva… Read more »
satyaaasman

if i am wrong sb correct me. there are 3 phases of vedic god’s work. 1. creation- god works 2.dissolution-god works 3. sustainance-god (???) since we have cause and effect theory

satyaaasman
what god is really doing in sustainance phase? aryaveer says he is just seeing,and will judge us after our act. i really dnt get it. . . . . . . . the karma theory is good but again god has no control over it. . . . . .… Read more »
Vajra
Namaste Satva Aasman (though I am yet to see pehla aasmaan 🙁 ) ———what god is really doing in sustainance phase?——— What do you do while holding something? Need some rocket science to answer? Is it not holding itself? ——–the karma theory is good but again god has no control… Read more »
satyaaasman

@kb atheist muslim means born in muslim family but believe in independence of mind.

KalBhairav
@satyaaasman: atheist muslim means born in muslim family but believe in independence of mind. This is getting funnier by the minute…So, theist Muslims do NOT believe in independence of mind? Actually, you seem to be an ok guy compared to the usual lot of true Momins who visit here. Why… Read more »
shravak

what a definition! you’re just turning to be a laughing stock ‘athiest muslim’. 😀

KalBhairav

@Atheist Muslim:

WTF? How is that possible? So, do you believe in Adam/Eve?

shravak

LOL @ atheist ‘muslim’

SDC

You are an atheist muslim! You are in danger, boy. Do not reveal your identity because atheists are condemned to death in islam. There is no room for atheism in islam.

satyaaasman
@aryaveer i got you. so judge will take decision only after the crime has been commited. what if someone is doing crime against his son. and he is seeing it. so dont you think he should do sth at the moment to stop crime.or will take decision only after crime… Read more »
SDC

So, what does you allah do when a girl is being raped, does he enjoy the scene or he intervenes?

aryaveer
you are stupid! nothing else! god is the supreme judge. he punishes for sins rewards for good. he cannot hold someone’s hand and stop him/her from commiting any sin.. why don’t you understand this simple thing? once a crime has been commited the judge will capture the criminal and punish… Read more »
aryaveer

yes god is seeing it ……. !
then?

Narasamsha
Dear Agniveerji, Now, what is this unreality (mithyAtva) that (you) want to infer (as characterizing the world)? This unreality is by no means non-definability as defined by the statement of the panchapAdikA that the word mithyA (unreal) is denoted by non-definability, the non-definability being of the nature of NOT being… Read more »
Truth Seeker
@shabeer These are not Veda verses, Put Veda verse not translation, Then I will give u right translation. Please do not dream in full day If you think you can write anything on the name of Veda & we will acknowledge you. There is not a single verse in Veda… Read more »
be a knower
hi to agniveer and all his followers…………………… i have read most of your posts and support you views…all except one………god and soul are not different talking about vedas i must tell you it is clearly mentioned in vedas that god and soul are one …………..but you are against this….i would… Read more »
adolf
@be a knower >>God and soul are not different. It depends on what you take for God in your statement. If Brahman is what you refer by God then your statement can be accepted. However if you take Ishwar as God then your statement is false. Agniveer site is for… Read more »
Indian Agnostic

Namaste @Adolf bro

“jagam midhya gajam midhya”.

🙂

you said it!

Indian Agnostic
Namaste @be a knower I also hold the non-dual philosophy in high regard, but i am sorry to say the way you present it’s case is not very promising. first of all — being a knower itself is a surrender to duality from a non-dual perspective you would rather be… Read more »
Raja
3 entities are observable today. But let us assume that in reality it is one single entity – Brahma – that has taken 3 different forms – God, soul and Nature. And tomorrow maybe all the three will become One again. But why should this be a one time exercise,… Read more »
Indian Agnostic
Namaste Brother Raja very well put .Unfortunately, neo advaita and its blatant disregard to the the traditional approach has done more harm than good to the spiritual aspirant of our times. The four fold qualifications are not emphasized and as a result an unprepared candidate exposed to such a philosophy… Read more »
Vajra
Namaste be a knower Thanks for your support dear friend. Would give my views on your disagreements ————– it is clearly mentioned in vedas that god and soul are one————- Kindly share with us the Mantras regarding same ———-mention every attribute which differentiates god from soul———- Aatma is different from… Read more »
Vajra
@be a knower And interestingly, these three quotes from your writing contradict with each other, pick any of the two, they contradict mutually ———–part has the same attributes as whole———- ————–god is one, formless imageless…….omnipresent————— ————-then god has to be nature and we are part of nature————– If part has… Read more »
Arya
Namaste be a knower ————– it is clearly mentioned in vedas that god and soul are one————- Kindly share with us the Mantras regarding same ———-mention every attribute which differentiates god from soul———- Aatma is different from PARAMatma ———-just by saying anything doesnt mean you know everything———– Nobody here ever… Read more »
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Siddharth
Dear Agniveer, First of all i do not agree with the title of this post i believe that there is only one parampita Parmatmaa as described in the Vedas, adding ‘Vedic’ adjective gives a feeling as if some other Gods also exist (further it gives a feeling like a popleela… Read more »
आर्यव्रतस्थ
आर्यव्रतस्थ
@Siddharth : I understand what you say as if feel the same way sometimes I would suggest a Kirya which you may try.its just an advice. Its based on ” Find the Doubter and all the doubts would ceaze to exist”–Ramanna maharishi I hope you do meditate– when you do… Read more »
Agniveer
Namaste Many of the questions would be covered subsequently. This is only 3rd lesson of the series. But kindly note that we refer as Vedic God only because all cults have their own versions of God and we want to highlight what Vedas say about Him. The aim is more… Read more »
Sanjay
There are too many objections. The soul is not an individual, or has an identity as such. There are many objections to this. The more selfless an individual, who acts according to morals soon, becomes sinless. Realizes that there is life in everything and everywhere this supreme force exist in… Read more »
hindu

excellent article namaste agniveerji from my heart n its the duty of all of us to show the path of absolute truth

sanatanaakki

Arya ji…

In bhagwad gita Lord Krishna showed Arjun his real form!!

and even shri pradupada of iskon talks about sri krishna as god….?

plz help me out here a little…

Dhanyawad…

Arya
@sanatanaakki Namaste Brother, Shri Krishna is our role model. We salute his greatness and try to be like him by practicing what he practiced, i.e. worshipping of One formless Eeshvar, fighting against Adharma, defending Dharma etc. According to Mahabharat, Shri Krishna was a great devotee of Eeshvar. He used to… Read more »
Purushottam
Namaste With due respect to intent to ISKCON and Prabhupadaji, unfortunately their insistence is not right because 1. They do not emulate examples of Kirshna and fight against Adharma and merely recite name. No one from ISKCON ever debated anyone or took part in any social or political movement. They… Read more »
sanatanaakki
Its not like that Iskon people talk about vedanta philosophy and they do chanting no doubt….but they also making million dollars theme park in banglore in india that will make children play in religious surroundings and make them learn bhagwad gita and vedas… The followers of ISKON says that Pradupada… Read more »
Agniveer
Namaste Brother, We have provided solely the lessons of the Vedas. We also believe that understanding Hinduism is easiest and not hardest. Because the essence is important here – accepting truth and rejecting falsehood. Rest of the details flow automatically from here. We have tried to present the truth to… Read more »
Purushottam

Bharat Swabhiman by Baba Ramdevji on ISKCON:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgVA3hUsZAY

Purushottam
You yourself say: What is more important – theme park or fighting threats? Do you think theme park can create role models for next generation. This is against principles of Vedas. Only right examples and concrete actions can bring one towards truth. One may create such parks, but only after… Read more »
Indian Agnostic

Agniveer Ji

Sadhuvaad ! Sadhuvaad!

You make it so lucid, interesting, logical and enlightening ..can’t wait to read the next one in the series.

The first Bhajan is fantabulous ..am listening it for the third time as i type

May Ishwar multiply your wisdom manifolds and bless you with a long life

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