Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT), which today having been rechristened as Indo – Aryan Migration (IAM) theory (given that the original position is no longer tenable) is the largest myth that was ever propagated by historians with vested interests that still retain vestiges to their Western paymasters. In this post the scope is restricted to visiting Veda samhitas and Tamil literary works from the Sangam period that render the AIT / IAM theories redundant. This post will also show the integrated, continuous nature of the deities that were worshipped from the now parched Saraswati river basin and the Vaigai river basin in Madura, Tamilnadu. We are taking Tamil as representative of Dravidian languages because, unlike the other 3 Southern states, it is in Tamil Nadu that the political and societal idea of Aryan / Dravidian divide is more vocally and visibly pronounced.
Note: We are merely exploring historical and literary traditions here and do not attempt to analyze any method of worship.
The hoax of Aryan-Dravidian divide
Rig Veda does not give even a shred of evidence of any invasion or migration to have taken place from outside or the Rishis of Vedas having been part of expeditions into India from somewhere else. But Indologists and apologists of AIT / IAM use Rig Veda to try to establish their standpoint.
They use the invocation of Indra by Angiras family of Rishis to slay the likes of Dasyus and Panis as evidences that an invading Aryan army slaughtered the aborigines of India that were Dravidians.
Before we move ahead let us establish what Dravida means.
In Sanskrit, it loosely means liquid like or watery. The root word for this is Drava in Sanskrit.
And importantly, in Tamil, the word Dravidian or Dravida hardly gets mentioned in the Sangam literature of Tamils.
The corpus of Sangam literature is the most authentic chronicling of the life, times, theology, events, wars, business, natural calamities, Tamil grammar etc of the Tamils starting from 600 BC to 200 AD. To put it in another way, if hypothetically the invading Aryans pushed the Dravidians South of Vindyas and killed many Dravidians (based on Rig Veda), the earliest Tamil literary works obviously ought to have mentioned the mayhem in the so called Dravidian literary works of the Sangam age.
The Tamil literary works started using the word “Dravida” only in the 9th century AD but that too only in the context of linguistics. And a Tamil lexicon of the 9th century AD called “Senthan Divakaram” uses Dravidam to denote Tamil.
This itself is sufficient to realize that the whole Dravida story is a modern hoax without any historical basis. In fact it was only in late 19th century that Robert Caldwell, a proclaimed evangelist who came to India for sole purpose of proselytization and spreading Christianity, first used the word ‘Dravidian’ to further his agenda. And then the term took political colors. And once politicized, it is always in benefit of all political forces to keep the myth alive so that they can cook their rotis.
The hoax of evidence from Rig Veda
Now, let us move to understanding how the AIT / IAM apologists use Dasyus to claim that invading Aryans slaughtered the so called native Dasyus and let us also explore a few questions. The apologists point to Rig Veda 10/48, where, Indra is seen to have destroyed Dasyus, Vrtras and Panis with his might, captured wealth and also mentions that those in his company will not be felled.
But what the apologists do not delve into is to understand the characterization of the likes of Dasyus , Vrtras and Panis (the last 2 being a kind of Dasyu) in Rig Veda. Who are the Dasyus?
When we look up Rig Veda 1/33/1 – 10, it becomes obvious that the wealth that Indra captures is actually knowledge.
RV/1/33/1 ends with “gavam ketam param avarjate nah”. It means supreme knowledge of the luminous cows. And the whole verse means – come let us go seeking the cows to Indra, it is he that increases the thought in us, for us, he releases supreme knowledge of the luminous cows.
Let us first understand, in Vedas, those that do the Soma pressing or other Vedic sacrifices for divinities are called yajyu. The divinities to whom these sacrifices are offered are called yajata. The yaju by virtue of his goodwill is sukratu. Sukratus by virtue of their works find the “divine word” and having found the divine word, a sukratu becomes the singer of the word.
But Dasyu is the opposite principle of both Sukratu and Yajyu. Dasyu is also called “A”yajyu (opposite of Yajyu).And interestingly an Ayajyu is a hater of the singer of the divine word (this quality is Ayajyu called brahmadvisa) and IMPORTANTLY an Ayajyu is ANASA (has no mouth to speak) and has no mental faculties (Amanyamana). And across the Vedas the Dasyus like Panis and Vritras withhold the kine (the kine are not physical cows and sheep but they point to knowledge) and this kine has to be forcefully extracted with Indra’s help by man. And in another place in RV, it is stated that Panis (a type of Dasyu), plunders and steals the cows and hides them in his cave. With the help of Indra the knowledge, the luminous cows are secured by man. RV/6/51/14 calls Indra to destroy the Panis and equates Panis to wolf.
And let us also look at a few more items that Indra won by destroying Dasyus, as per western indologists.
RV/3/34/7-10:
7 Lord of the brave, Indra who rules the people gave freedom to the Gods by might and battle. Wise singers glorify with chanted praises these his achievements in Vivasvan’s dwelling.
8 Excellent, Conqueror, the victory-giver, the winner of the light and Godlike Waters,He who hath won this broad earth and this heaven, -in Indra they rejoice who love devotions.
9 He gained possession of the Sun and Horses, Indra obtained the Cow who feedeth many.Treasure of gold he won; he smote the Dasyus, and gave protection to the Aryan colour.
10 He took the plants and days for his possession; he gained the forest trees and air’s mid-region.Vala he cleft, and chased away opponents: thus was he tamer of the overweening.
Indra secures forest trees, mid air, plants and days.
Now, if Dasyus were HUMAN non-Aryan tribes, how come Indra secures the DAYS and MID-AIR from mortals?
The allegory of Dasyus continues in the Rig Veda, where, Indra then actually chases Dasyus out of heaven and earth by the power of his thunderbolt. Indra’s greatness keeps increasing and the luminosity of Indra leaves Dayus with nowhere to hide. Indra recovers the lost Sun and as this Sun rises, it illuminates the caves where Vala (a type of Dasyus) has hidden the luminous cows.
So we clearly have a scenario that completely contradicts the possibility of Dasyus ever being Dravidian tribes that Indra destroyed.
The Rig Veda based attempts to prop up the non-existent AIT/IAM falls flat. Rest assured Dravidians (of AIT/IAM) do have noses and are able to speak and are intelligent people unlike the Dasyus of Rig Veda.
For more on Vedas and Dasyu, please refer http://agniveer.com/vedas-dasyu-hinduism/
Evidence from Sangam Literature
Now let us travel to Tamil / Dravidian land to see if Tamils were really people that were completely different from the so called Aryans and if they showed signs of being brutalized by invading Aryans.
While there are extensive works that fall under the Sangam literature, let us pick some of the most important works to see what the Dravidians worshipped as their deities.
It is important to note that Sangam literature categorizes land into Mullai (forests), Kurinchi (hills), Marudam (Farm lands), Neidal (Sea Coast) and Palai (Barren).
Tolkappaiyam mentions the following as the presiding deities of these lands – Mullai: Tirumal (Vishnu), Kurinchi: Seyon (or Kumara / Murugua/Kartikeya), Marudam: Vendan (Indra), Neidal: Varunan (Varuna) and Palai: Korravai (Shakti).
Another key Sangam literary work called Purananuru talks about the legend of Lord Shiva destroying the three cities (Tripura Samhara). Shiva is said to have taken the lofty Meru mountain in his hand as bow and with the terrific serpent as bow string and a single arrow destroyed the cities sending them into into flames. And the deity of Seyon (Kumara / Kartikeya), is repeatedly seen across Purananuru and Ahananuru as being the progeny of Shiva.
This ties us back to Agni,the Kumara, template of the Puranic Kartikeya, being an aspect of Rudra.
Some AIT / IAM apologists try to make Shiva to be an exclusive Dravidian deity to keep the theory running.
Shiva of Puranas is derived from aspects of Rudra of Vedas.
In Vedas, if you delve deeper into attributes of Rudra, across Rig Veda or the Rudram / Chamakam sections of Yajur Veda, a common set of attributes is easy to be seen.
And Shiva is all but one aspect of Rudra that is mentioned in Rudram / Chamakam. While the usage of Rudra has been replaced at large by Shiva, the attributes of Vedic Shiva / Rudra and those described in works like Periya Puranam of Tamil literature are the same.
In places like Tiruvannamalai or Chaidmabaram, in addition to Thevaram, Rudram / Chamakam is also recited, if Shiva of Tamils and Shiva or Puranas / Vedas are different.
If anything, the Taittriya Samhita of Yajur Veda (where Rudram / Chamakam occurs) is a tradition that is living primarily in Tamil Nadu, AP and Karataka, today.
Conclusion
From this small attempt to put things in perspective, it is very easy to understand that the AIT/IAM, based on Rig Veda and the premier Tamil Sangam literary works is a farce. If anything, it is easy to see that this great land has been inhabited by people that belong to the same Vedic family.
Differences based on linguistics, skin color, local culture, cuisines etc are being played up by vested interests today, as it were done 150 years ago.
To repeat it, this land was inhabited by followers of the same Vedic Dharma until the early part of last millennium.
P.S: We have not even touched the theological works of Alwars (Vaishnavites) and Nayanmars (Shaivites) to establish the oneness of the Vedic dharma of this land. If one reviews the entire hoax of AIT and Dravida-Arya divide would fall flat as creative fantasies of a drowsy mind after an extra peg!
This post is also available in Tamil at http://agniveer.com/aryan-invasion-ta/
You say, “The Tamil literary works started using the word “Dravida” only in the 9th century AD but that too only in the context of linguistics. And a Tamil lexicon of the 9th century AD called “Senthan Divakaram” uses Dravidam to denote Tamil.
This itself is sufficient to realize that the whole Dravida story is a modern hoax without any historical basis.”
Those who support Aryan Migration Theory or those who deny it both agree that the word Dravidan is of recent origin but serves in linguistics as a name of the family of languages spoken in South India and it also serves to identify the people who speak those languages. It also serves to identify the related languages spoken by Adivasis in North India and identify the related language (Brahui) spoken in Afghanistan.
The use of the term Dravidian has nothing to to do with your claim that AMT is a hoax or Aryan / Dravidian divide is a hoax. So what you say is a non point.
An Indian tragedy: Aryan invasion theory:
Scientists had long ago dismissed the idea of the Aryan race
All this makes abundantly clear that theories based on the Aryan myth are modern European creations that have little to do with ancient India. The word Arya appears for the first time in the Rig Veda, India’s oldest text. Hitler did not invent it. The idea of Aryans as a superior race was already in the air— in Europe, not India.
An African tragedy: Tutsi invasion theory
When we look at the map of middle Africa, we see two little countries named Rwanda and Burundi, bordering on Zaire (or the Democratic Republic of Congo). As reported in the Western media, these countries are inhabited by two supposedly different ethnic groups, the so-called Hutus and Tutsis. The ethnic composition of these two countries is as follows.
Rwanda: Hutu 84%, Tutsi 15%, Twa (Pygmies) 1%
Burundi: Hutu 85%, Tutsi 14%, Twa 1%
In other words, their compositions hardly differ at all. But according to Western anthropologists, mainly colonial bureaucrats and missionaries, the Tutsi are supposed to be a Hamitic people, a race that was often intermixed with the whiter races of the North, notably from Ethiopia and Egypt, which in their turn were intermixed with some West Asiatic people, mainly the Hittites, by repeated invasions from the North. These people, the Tutsis, are supposed to have arrived from the North and not native to Rwanda.
This in essence is the Tutsi invasion theory, the African version of the Aryan invasion theory. The similarities are startling, even to the extent of the Dravidians in India being preceded by earlier inhabitants, the aborigines (the so-called adi-vasis), who have their African counterpart in the Pygmies. So we have the African Pygmy-Hutu-Tutsi sequence corresponding to the Indian aborigines-Dravidian-Aryan scheme.
As with the Aryan theories and their various offshoots, this Tutsi-Hutu division has no factual basis. They speak the same language, have a long history of intermarriage and have…
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Genetic study finds no evidence for Aryan Migration Theory–On the contrary, South Indians migrated to north and South Asians migrated into Eurasia
The distribution of two genetic components among Indians clearly indicates that the Aryan-Dravidian division is a myth, Indian population landscape is clearly governed by geography.
A remarkable finding is that the origin of these components in India is much older than 3500 years which clearly refutes Aryan Invasion theory of the type enunciated by Max Mueller !
http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(11)00488-5
CRUSH MAOIST RUTHLESSLY, THEY ARE BEING SUPPORTED BY AMERICANS
Maoist rebels extort up to Rs 300 crore every year in Chhattisgarh from traders of forest products, transporters and iron ore mining firms, says Chief Minister Raman Singh.
“Maoists extort at least Rs.250-300 crore annually and their extortion business runs from the state’s southern tip of Bastar to the northern Surguja district,” Singh told IANS.
“They mainly extort money from traders of ‘tendu’ leaves, iron ore mining firms, small and big contractors and transporters,” he said.
Tendu leaves, which are used to make bidis (leaf-rolled cigarettes), are one of the most important forest products of the Bastar region that has been considered the centre of Maoist terrorism in India since the late 1980s.
The restive region spread across 40,000 sq km has deposits of about 20 percent of the country’s total iron ore stocks and owners of the mines regularly face extortion demands from Maoists.
“The traders, businessmen, contractors and others who pay extortion money hardly have the courage to report it to the police because of the fear of Maoists and their own business interests in the region,” said Singh.
Of the 1,500 casualties in Maoist violence since the state came into existence in November 2000 after splitting from Madhya Pradesh, 90 percent have been from Bastar.
“The Maoists also force people in the Surguja region to cough up money,” added the chief minister.
The Surguja region is one of the most coal-rich areas of the country. It is home to several mines of the public sector Coal India Limited’s (CIL) highest profit-making subsidiary, South Eastern Coalfields Limited (SECL).
Since the mid-1960s, the evangelical movement has systematically computerised its entire global operation, creating huge databases of information on its non-Christian enemies, centralising administration, and linking some 500 million ‘Christian computers’ worldwide for the purposes of fighting ‘spiritual warfare’ against non-believers in strategic places.
In their view,” the Indian sub-continent with one billion people, is a living example of what happens when Satan rules the entire culture… India is one vast purgatory in which millions of people …. are literally living a cosmic lie! Could Satan have devised a more perfect system for causing misery?”
Christians have waged such ‘spiritual warfare’ against their enemies for centuries, and with the same kind of language.
What is new is the vastly increased facility, offered by the electronic media, for fighting such a war.
Most of the major evangelical corporations (like World Vision, Campus Crusade, Youth with a Mission, and Samaritan’s Purse) operate in partnership with the US government in its pursuit of foreign policy goals.
World Vision, which is effectively an arm of the State Department, is perhaps the most notable example of this. There is also the benefit of a custom-built legislation, with the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 providing necessary sanction to bring errant nations into line.
And ‘spiritual warfare’, for the evangelical Christian movement, is not just a matter of prayers and metaphor: it is also, very decisively, a matter of ‘virtuous’ troops, tanks, and
and drones.
The great Indian divide along north-south lines now stands blurred. A pathbreaking study by Harvard and indigenous researchers on ancestral Indian populations says there is a genetic relationship between all Indians and more importantly, the hitherto believed “fact” that Aryans and Dravidians signify the ancestry of north and south Indians might after all, be a myth.
“This paper rewrites history… there is no north-south divide,” Lalji Singh, former director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) and a co-author of the study, said .
The study analysed 500,000 genetic markers across the genomes of 132 individuals from 25 diverse groups from 13 states. All the individuals were from six-language families and traditionally “upper” and “lower” castes and tribal groups. “The genetics proves that castes grew directly out of tribe-like organizations during the formation of the Indian society,” the study said. Thangarajan noted that it was impossible to distinguish between castes and tribes since their genetics proved they were not systematically different.
The study was conducted by CCMB scientists in collaboration with researchers at Harvard Medical School,
It is only a matter of time before it is proved that it is actually Indians which went from India to Europe and not the other way round. When that happens, the foundations of Western civilisation will shake.
The Witzel and Romila Thapar school of charlatans is fighting a losing battle against modern science.
Missionaries are systematically targeting specific regions of India in hopes of converting the entire nation to their brand of fanatic Christianity. Below is a detailed look into their designs and plans.
Figure 1 – “The Hindu Belt”
The central states of Orissa, Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh have the highest percentage of Hindus and are what missionaries have labeled as “The Hindu Belt”. The church has aims to eliminate Hinduism believes the entire population of India can be converted to Christianity if this region is converted first. In fact, the church has deemed that the “Evangelization of the Hindu belt of India may be the greatest single challenge in world evangelization today
Figure 2 – “Church Planting and Workers”
Churches have already been built in those areas, but missionaries are not available to convert the local population. This is true because on average in India for every 8 churches there is only one missionary or pastor. This is an outright proof that churches are being built in India, not to satisfy the needs of the existing Christian population, but rather to provoke and convert the non-Christian population.
Figure 3- Christian Population of India
The highest concentration of Christians is in the south in the states of Kerala and Goa, where many were forcibly converted by Portuguese and British Missionaries centuries ago. In addition, also note that the Northeastern wing of India due to conversions by Missionaries over the past decade due to the forced conversion of local population by Christian terrorist groups.
We can also observe that there are lesser but noticeable areas of Christians along the south and eastern coasts of India in the states of Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal, Karnataka and Orissa. These are the areas of India that under currently being targeted the most by missionaries.
Figure 4 – The Two Fronts
Church has effectively launched two major fronts to target the “Hindu Belt”, the heartland of India. One front is being launched from the missionary stronghold…
LOL…….ain’t there no dearth of foolishly wise people like you here. Brits ruled for 180 years over India. They would have converted all Indians officially just by one single proclamation as it was done during the time of King Nebuchaddnezzer of Babylon, only worship the god [a living dragon] of king otherwise you will be slained. Prophet Daniel killed the dragon god of the king without even touching it right in front of him. U know, U R a good entertainer.
That is height of lying- no Britisher converted Indians- they were not interested ;Portuguese did -that too very few for work oriented matters . Indians converted almost freely as they were getting good work / money and education and also in the privacy of their homes could practice the caste system. many Indian christians still practice the stupid caste system -though Christianity is about brotherhood.What is happening in backward areas like Orissa and Jharkand now is well known and will not stop unless Caste hindus give up treating lower castes and tribals as outcasts.And from seeing the people writing here it is not going to happen.
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Like Lord’s Resistance Army – a brutal rebel group with a mixture of Christian fundamentalist and African traditional beliefs – is a threat to regional security in central Africa and thus a threat to the interests of the US government and its strategic partners.
Christian fundamentalist with Naxalite Dravidian agenda– is a threat to regional security in south eastern India.and also a threat to the interests of the US government and its strategic partner i.e.India.
U.S. Congress had passed the Lord’s Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act in 2009, Mr. Obama wrote, “I have authorized a small number of combat-equipped US forces to deploy to central Africa to provide assistance to regional forces that are working toward the removal of Joseph Kony from the battlefield.”
In this way Congress SHOULD pass the Maoist Army Disarmament and South –East Asia Recovery Act to the interests its strategic partner i.e.India.
WESTERN APPROACH VIEWSON THE DATE OF VEDAS .
One should very clearly understand that the western scientists, historians, archeologists will never give the credit of Indian culture beyond 2500 BC, mainly because according to Bible, the God created Adam and Eve on 12th October, 4.00 pm on 4012 BC (or so). So according to their calculation human beings cannot exist before that. Based on this biased / false/ non scientific notion they calculated the historical facts on Indian culture. They also had a European superiority complex which prevented them to give credit to Indian culture (as the most ancient). They wanted and always tried (even now) to project Greek, Mesopotamia, Babylonia, and so on as the oldest. However after 1947, Many great Indian and foreign unbiased scholars have proven that the first artifact of human made copper and copper items could be excavated from Kalibangan, Bhagavan pura and so on from 8275 +/- 100 BC. Perhaps we can say the archeological evidence of Indian culture starts from this point, even though Dayananda Sarasathy, Balagangadhara Tilak, and many great Indian scholars and few western scholars have put the period from 10,000 to 50,000 yrs.
YUGA CONCEPT OF HINDU DHARMA
According to the Yuga concept, Kali yuga has 4,32,000 yrs, dwaaparayuga 4,32,000 x 2 threthaayuga is 4,32,000 x 3 yrs , Krutha yuga is 4,32,000 x 4 yrs. The present mahayuga is the 28th Mahayuga of the Vaivaswatha manvanthara which is the 6th manwanthara out of 14. If we calculated the first day from the the first Manswanthara onwards, it will come to 2990 million yrs. (which in modern science is known as archesoic era) If Ramayana was written in Thretha yuga and Mahabharatha in dwapara yuga, just calculate the period……… the credibility of the period based on astronomical parameters given as above is left to the readers. That means Hindu dharma has a heritage of lakhs of yrs.
How ever based on the present archeological evidences Hindu dharma is minimum 10,000 old. Any one would like to fix it further back, with proof he can correct and teach the students. We can definitely say Islam is 1300 yrs, Christianity 200 yrs, Jews of 3000 yrs or so and Hindu dharma is minimum 10,000 yrs. The Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism etc are part of Hindu dharma and hence their age need not be discussed here.
VEDIC BASIS OF CALCULATING THE PERIOD OF ORIGIN OF HINDU DHARMA:
Few scientists from India and abroad have conducted word by word search in Rig-Veda which is the oldest book written by human beings, to find out whether any mention on the date of its composition directly or indirectly available. They found one line Bruhaspati prathamam jaayamaanam thishyam nakshatram abhisambhabhoova …….. the Planet Jupiter occulted the Delta Cancri star and fount the Delta Cancri star was newly born, after the occulting. These lines are partly from Rig-Veda and partly from Thaithireeya brahmana. If the Rushies composed the Vedic hymns after observing the astronomical phenomenon, the computer calculation showed that this phenomenon took place in BC 4275 + / – 75 which shows that these lines (from the last part of Rig-Veda ) might have composed in refined Sanskrit during BC 4275 or so. So the composing of the first part of the book, the formation of Sanskrit language and words, etc might have taken many thousand more years back…….. Now you can decide the date of Hindu dharma based on Vedas. Minimum ten thousand years…! Which is in almost agreement with archeological studies.
Apollo,
All your lies to prove Aryan Invasion as a myth is completely a Brahmanic propaganda.
Look at the scholarly work :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/29058181/Aryan-Indra-vs-Dravidian-Indra
It proves how brahmins Indra is a fraud and how they have taken stories from we dravidians
Mr. dallit,
You better don’t conclude that Aryan Invasion is true. IT IS PROVED TO BE AN IMAGINARY CONCEPT. Britishers propagated AIT just to put Indians down. If you assume that AIT is true, you aren’t an Indian.
Brother, pls read this too before concluding that AIT is true: http://www.hitxp.com/zone/tag/aryan-invasion-theory/
THOSE WHO KNOW FALSE HISTORY ABOUT INDIA ARE DEAD SOULS:
– Stephen Knapp.
So, brother don’t become a dead soul. Accept that AIT is a false theory.
@dallit
What scholarly work you’re blabbering when it is genetically/scientificly proven that we are all same.
On the contrary, South Indians migrated to north and South Asians migrated into Eurasia.
http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(11)00488-5
Please read Dr. Ambedkar’s View on Aryan-Dravidian divide. He rejects it. But you are fooled by wily politicians.
Agniveer ji, brother Vajra Arya ..i have to humbly submit ..thats not my coinage ..Rajiv Malhotra coined this term to scare the hell out of pseudo scholars like Witzel :))
but an article is in order indeed 🙂
Agniveer ji, brother Vajra Arya ..i have to humbly submit ..thats not my coinage ..Rajiv Malhotra coined this term to scare the hell out of pseudo scholars like Witzel :))
but an article is in order indeed 🙂
You r right..There is nothing like dravidians & aryans…We are 1
You r right..There is nothing like dravidians & aryans…We are 1
You r right..There is nothing like dravidians & aryans…We are 1
Now the disrobed Witzel and Farmer have no option but to slander the emrging out-of-india theory from a nondescript yahoo group…their only followers from India are Xtian evangelists who want to keep the aryan-dravidian hoax alive for reasons known to all 🙂
India is the Mother of Wisdom ,Language, Sciences ..unfortunate is the person who even after being born in this land associates himself/herself with something else ..i pity such a person
Now the disrobed Witzel and Farmer have no option but to slander the emrging out-of-india theory from a nondescript yahoo group…their only followers from India are Xtian evangelists who want to keep the aryan-dravidian hoax alive for reasons known to all 🙂
India is the Mother of Wisdom ,Language, Sciences ..unfortunate is the person who even after being born in this land associates himself/herself with something else ..i pity such a person
Now the disrobed Witzel and Farmer have no option but to slander the emrging out-of-india theory from a nondescript yahoo group…their only followers from India are Xtian evangelists who want to keep the aryan-dravidian hoax alive for reasons known to all 🙂
India is the Mother of Wisdom ,Language, Sciences ..unfortunate is the person who even after being born in this land associates himself/herself with something else ..i pity such a person
nice info…dravidian is the word fabricated by the imperialistic britishers with a missionary zeal in the mid 19th century….its true that mughals ruined vedic culture-it was just a religious dominance but its a hard truth that missionaries from the west in just 150 years had a massive intellectual,cultural dominance…..impact is so prominent that western civilization has changed this nation to take new roots of cultural and religious beliefs,eternal Vedanta is spiritual and pure…..hope people will understand and maintain our cultural integrity by uprooting Aryan invasion theory…avoiding missionaries..
nice info…dravidian is the word fabricated by the imperialistic britishers with a missionary zeal in the mid 19th century….its true that mughals ruined vedic culture-it was just a religious dominance but its a hard truth that missionaries from the west in just 150 years had a massive intellectual,cultural dominance…..impact is so prominent that western civilization has changed this nation to take new roots of cultural and religious beliefs,eternal Vedanta is spiritual and pure…..hope people will understand and maintain our cultural integrity by uprooting Aryan invasion theory…avoiding missionaries..
nice info…dravidian is the word fabricated by the imperialistic britishers with a missionary zeal in the mid 19th century….its true that mughals ruined vedic culture-it was just a religious dominance but its a hard truth that missionaries from the west in just 150 years had a massive intellectual,cultural dominance…..impact is so prominent that western civilization has changed this nation to take new roots of cultural and religious beliefs,eternal Vedanta is spiritual and pure…..hope people will understand and maintain our cultural integrity by uprooting Aryan invasion theory…avoiding missionaries..
From Bukhari Vol. 1, #490
Narrated ‘Aisha: “The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).”
I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.””
From Bukhari Vol. 1, #490
Narrated ‘Aisha: “The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).”
I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.””
From Bukhari Vol. 1, #490
Narrated ‘Aisha: “The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).”
I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.””
eally speaking vedas are not a philosophis alone it is the shruthi of great parampara of our maharshis who enlightened us of sanathana dharma. vedas are not religion oriented but mother to all religions.
eally speaking vedas are not a philosophis alone it is the shruthi of great parampara of our maharshis who enlightened us of sanathana dharma. vedas are not religion oriented but mother to all religions.
eally speaking vedas are not a philosophis alone it is the shruthi of great parampara of our maharshis who enlightened us of sanathana dharma. vedas are not religion oriented but mother to all religions.
If Aryan is a myth, who are the people who spoke Sanskrit? Didn’t Brahmins consider for a long time and very possibly now too that their mother tongue was Sanskrit? Not long ago only Brahmins were privileged to study Sanskrit. Sanskrit and pundits would not teach Sanskrit to non Brahmins. My friend who came from a very well to do family in Bangalore could not learn Sanskrit when he was young.
Also, Sanskrit is a SVO (Subject-Verb-Object) language like European languages but all other languages in India are SOV languages. If you change the word order in Sanskrit the meaning changes. For example, Sanskrit: Aswathama hatha kujaraha (SVO), English: Aswathama killed the elephant (SVO), Tamil: Aswathaman yaanaiyai kondran (SOV), Hindi: Aswathama hathiko mardiya (SOV). If we change the word order in Sanskrit like “Aswathama kunjaraha hatha,” then the meaning changes to “Aswathama killed only an elephant and not another type of animal. This clearly shows Sanskrit was a language foreign to India. Sanskrit was brought in by Aryans.
Mr. Kit Kittappa!
Sorry to have some addings here, Life wasn’t possible in Europe before 2500 BCE. All those who were alive before that were actually savages and nothing else. Mesopotamia and Babylonia were all there but still their civilizations were in primitive states. India was civilized way before that. I am talking about Saraswati River civilization NOT Indus Valley civilization because I.V. civilization only took place when Saraswati River dried up. That is where difference happened – S.R. used Vedic Sanskrit and adapting from it, I.V. uses classical Sanskrit. Ram, Hanuman, Krishna were all leaders during S.R. civilization and Vedas too were written in S.R. civilization. We unknowingly call them of I.V. civilization.
Let’s assume that 2 languages are similar. This implies that one is derived from other. The oldest can be declared as the mother. But for that to take place, adaptations are needed. That’s what happened. Ancient Indians were immigrants because they always tried to explore others. They went to Even Ancient Easter Islands. People there learnt from Indian symbols, even today, the symbols have striking resemblance. Roots of every culture matches with Indian way in some part OR the other. These similarities are impossible if we assume that all civilization started from total scratch. They must have some mother, that was S.R. Civilization.
So, it isn’t Aryan Invasion in India, it is Aryan Migration to Europe. Indian languages now are not sure about their origin. India had 2 languages- Sanskrit & Prakrit. Both having similar words but different structure. Prakrit was SOV based. These difference in structure was done to have some seperate identity. Classical Sanskrit and Prakrit, both were spoken by different tribes. (NOTE: Tribes NOT caste). Indian languages are derived from these 2. Words are taken from Sanskrit & Grammar structure from Prakrit. That’s why you are confused. I don’t know Grammar of Vedic Sanskrit but in Vedic Sanskrit, changing the order does not matter…
CONCLUSION:
Sanskrit is not foreign to India but was foreign to Europe when their languages were in primitive states. Regarding Aryan Invasion, that is proven false by many scholars worldwide. Even Britishers today, call it a myth. What’s the worry?
Dear brother Kit Kittappa,
I am sure you will accept the fact that you have no formal education of Sanskrit language. In this situation, you should not propagate such blunders. Forgive me, I am not criticizing you, but just advising as your brother. In Sanskrit, order of words hardly matters. This is one of the reasons it is considered as the least ambiguous or the most scientific language of the world. It’s not just I am saying but also the NASA. “Ashwatthaama hatah gajam ” has exactly the same meaning as “Gajam hatah Ashwatthama”.
Jayatu Bharatasya ekata.
You are wrong in saying there is no word order in Sanskrit. Your statement actually degrades Sanskrit as a primitive language with no proper grammar. Consult a Sanskrit pundit.
If you say, “Gajam hatah Aswathama” with no stress on any word or no special intonation, it would mean an elephant killed Aswathama. Perhaps you are confused what is in poetry where word order is changed to have poetical effects. For example, if you pause after hatah and say, “Gajam hatah, Aswathama” (the comma is the modern usage to show a pause) and put a stress on “Aswathama it would be possible to get a meaning in a poetical sense that Aswathama killed the elephant. The examples I had given do not have distortions carried out with poetical license.
Dear brother Kit Kittappa,
I say it again the same . For this simple case, I don’t need any Sanskrit Pandit. I have fprmally studied the language till the seconday school. Those who have studied Sanskrit, know it as its one of the basic facts unique to Sanskrit. Sanskrti has very sound grammar that enables it to convey the intended meaning with ease. So the following sentence conveys the meaning as written below:
“Gajam hatah Ashwatthama” means “Ashwatthama killed an elephant”
If you want to say ” An elephant killed Ashwatthama”, you will have to change ‘Gajam’ to ‘Gajah’ and ‘Ashwatthaamaa’ to ‘Ashwatthaamaam’.
So, “Gajah hatah Ashwatthaamaam” means “An elephant killed Ashwatthama”.
Once again in this case you can change the order of words and can say
” Ashwatthaamaam hatah Gajam”. There may be just a few exceptions but general rule is order of words in such sentences don’t matter. This doesn;t degrade the language but makes it one of the least ambiguous languages where you can convey with ease.
Jayatu Samskritam
“Gajah hatah Ashwatthamaam” means “An elephant killed Ashwatthama”
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namaskar to all
infact the dravidian theory is a myth all of us know due to the policy of Britishers to control india they cooked the story of aryan invasion , relating the aryan invasion let me cite one example the term dravida is itself is a sanskrit word and the meaning of dravida is “peninsula”means “three sides water” in sanskrit ,another example for this is when mandan mishra and adi shankaracharya dharma discussion happened it was decided that mandan mishra wife would become the judge of that discussion ,then mandan mishra wife asked adi shankaracharya that who are you then adi shankaracharya, he was a learned man and founder of current Hinduism replied that “i am dravida shisu ” that means son of the peninsula , this implicates that dravida meaning is more geographical rather racial
I had read somewhere that what some people interpret as COW actually means something else, something related to knowledge. Can’t remember the exact word. You may want to look that up.
Namaste jj,
If you can find me the source for that, I would love to look into it.
Best,
Krishna
Namaste JJ,
So I did some research on the topic and what I found was interesting. I didn’t find anything hard about the word “knowledge” being the same as “cow”, but I did find that Aghanya is generally the word used for scared cow. Aghanya is the actual word used in the Vedas. And the actual meaning of Aghanya means that which may not be killed. And cow has been substituted to mean that. And I know among our Vedic people there is a dispute to what that means. Some say it doesn’t mean cow at all. And some say it means the cow. After reading the material, all I can say is I don’t know. Although I thought it was ridiculous a text would single out a specific animal to “not” kill while all the other animals are considered non kill-able also. Very strange. So I guess I lean towards the latter meaning. I have evidence for either, but that is the direction I would lean towards. Honestly, many of these problems would be solved if Sanskrit was a required course in India and everyone actually learned it. That way anyone can just go research the topic and come to their own conclusion. To bad the stupid congress party won’t let that happen.
That’s why I think it is very important that we as Dharmic people should take the initiative to open up Sanskrit schools ourselves everywhere. It should be our job to do that. The more people who learn Sanskrit, the more can learn about our Vedic knowledge and know the truth again. That way the Dharmic people will not be beholden to some people telling us what something is about. We can read it and find out for ourselves. From the translations of the Vedas I have read, and the different Vedic scholars I spoke to, they all say it is the people that should push of knowledge for all. So it is our Dharmic duty for everyone to be educated and learn. The more people know, the less chances of this information getting taken over by some fools.
@ Krishna Rao jee, I agree with you 100% for Sanskrit education.
Aryan migration theory was the creation of committed historian to establish their religion supremacy. where ever their rulers gone they first destroyed the existing religion establishments and built their establishment over it only pyramids remains due to unawareness of the so called historians. and now one can see prior to this historian’s theory their did exist civilization and religion . just to prove their point Aryan migration theory evolved. and now it is proving the wrong done by these so called fanatic communal religious historians
For All those who are still confused or want to know more about the AIT, the best read is “Breaking India ” by Rajiv Malhotra and Aravindan Neelakandan, its a MUST READ for every INDIAN, the good part is its available in Tamil as well.(can be ordered from flipkart)
Just wanted to inform the gentlemen and ladies here that @Bharat-Rakshak forum, there is also a lively discussion on all issues around AIT and Out-of-India Theory. People are welcome to participate.
My 2 cents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsqMWj0WFKc&feature=related
Namaste Agniveer ji,
Good going!
I am sure this article of yours would be a eye opener for all.
After going through your article & presently reading a book by Francois Gautier….. i feel like being cheated & that i am cheating my 4 year old daughter.
Cant we do something, i mean some kind of revolution to get back the truth & re-write India & its grand Past.
Keep up the good work.
Until the mid-19th century, no Indian had ever heard of the notion that his ancestors could be Aryan invaders from Central Asia who had destroyed the native civilization and enslaved the native population. Neither had South-Indians ever dreamt that they were the rightful owners of the whole subcontinent, dispossessed by the Aryan invaders who had chased them from North India, turning it into Aryavarta, the land of the Aryans. Nor had the low-caste people heard that they were the original inhabitants of India, subdued by the Aryans and forced into the prisonhouse of caste which the conquerors imposed upon them as an early form of Apartheid. All these ideas had to be imported by European scholars and missionaries, who thought through the implications of the Aryan Invasion Theory (AM, the theory that the Indo-European (IE) language family had spread out from a given homeland, probably in Eastern Europe, and found a place in Western and Southern Europe and in India as cultural luggage of horse-borne invaders who subjugated the natives.
If anyone believes in theory of aryan invasion, he/she shouldn’t migrate to another country, neither learn their language. For that country you are invader, so you won’t get respect and after some years they may remind you your ethnicity. What if they tell you to leave country no matter how much you and your family have contributed to the country?
My comment looks childish, but think again, to whom are you supporting by supporting such a foolish theory that you never knew before Britishers arrived in India. This is really a Kaliyuga when people says lie on your face and you believe it as a God’s command. People are wasting their brain cells remembering all such shit and so the next generation will.
Dont talk about government and politics, Government follows the same rule as britishers did – divide and rule, and people holding fake theories actually helping them.
I am Gujarati, know Sindhi a bit, also know little punjabi and marathi. I went to UAE for some time, all my colleagues during job were south indians – 4 Tamilian and 1 Karelian. We compulsory had to talk in English. I started learning some Tamilian words, the only i remember is – nanban means friend 😉 Needless to say i know hindi. Opps i did. The language i really hate is english itself even though it provides me lots of info over internet 😛 an irony.
One more thing – Rajinikanth is a marathi, so stop praying him, as being a marathi he is an aryan. Dont be double standard like some religion who says vande matram is against their religion but internet is not, even though internet is filled up with anti-religious stuff. Peace \\//
Excellent work Apollo Reach! Very informative.
However, I’d like to add something. One of the families that ruled the Jaffna Kingdom in Sri Lanka were the Aryacakravartis. They were Tamil and hailed from Tamil Nadu.
Now surely, if the so called ‘Aryan Invasion Theory’/’Indo-Aryan Migration Theory’ is true, no Tamil, let alone a Tamil royal family, would adopt the ‘Arya’ term in their name?
This theory is a sad joke. Nothing more.
It also speaks volumes about the so called ‘scientists’ of today and their credibility.
Namaskar,
Could not have been more correct, we believe in print and all the printed garbage dished out by the Europeans and the West, in the name of ‘Scientific explanation’.
We are aware of this now, because, more and more of us Indians are educated now, this is one reason where the British and their predecessors (Afghans, Mughals etc, comrades in crime, destroyed evidences, weened us away from the truth and kept us in the dark. We are AWAKENING to the TRUTH
It may sound strange, right from my childhood, I always knew that this Aryan-Dravidian Theory was ‘TRASH’ in absolute terms.
But a large part of our Brethren have been harmed by this theory and we need to undo this harm quickly and efficiently, Jai Bharat
Suresha AS
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The latest genetics has proved that there has been no intermixing of races in India at least for the past 20000 years. Please look at : http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_new-research-debunks-aryan-invasion-theory_1623744
The original research paper can be downloaded for free from the site of the American journal.
This is the final proof against the Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory.
The latest genetic research is the final nail in the coffin of Aryan Invasion Theory.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_new-research-debunks-aryan-invasion-theory_1623744
If you wish you can download the original research paper from the site of the American journal.
But unfortunately Indian newspapers still talk as if such an Aryan invasion or the more benign term “miration” happened. http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/caste-system-an-indigenous-invention-in-south-india/article4290662.ece
Meant to write “migration”
Nice propaganda article ! I don’t know why Aryan Invasion theory is accepted all over the world except India ?
That’s a blanketed statement vimal. All you have done is hearsay with absolutely no proof. I live in the US and met many Americans that do not believe in the Aryan invasion theory. The ones that do believe in it don’t even call in aryan invasion theory, they call in aryan migration. It just shows how behind you are in even in the development in the false theory.
You are unaware that it was first that Max Mueller in the 19th century used the Sankrit term Arya to lump certain Indian languages together, but he was dismayed when Europeans began to use it in racist terms. It was never supposed to be about race but language. This is what he said “an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar.”
It was Robert Caldwell in the 19th century who used the Sanskrit word Dravida for the group of South Indian languages. It was about classifying LANGUAGES not race. It was random for them to choose Sanskrit words Arya and Dravidanwhich do not have racial connotation at all. Arya is a character trait, noble. Dravida I believe means water.
Noahs Lineage or Casta is renamed Aryan tales in India.
”God shall enlarge Japeth (European Christian), and he shall dwell in the tents of (Arab Muslim); and Canaan ( Indian, african, chinese, american, australian) shall be his servant – 9.27 Genesis
What is Noahs lineage? Noah had three sons, Shem and Japeth, described as Light skinned, noble and going onto to create world civilisation from the middle east. European culture is called Japethic and Arab culture is called Semitic, after Japeth and Shem, Noahs chosenn sons, of the God of Abraham. Noah had a third son, called Ham, who was cursed to be a slave forever, to shem and japeth. Ham people are all non-caucasians, so that means they are Indian, African, Native America, Australian and Chinese. The belief of Abrahamic religions, all non-caucasians, are considered slaves of European christians and Arab muslims, which is the reason for the slave trade and invasion of africa, india, china, australia and america. So the God of Abraham which is the god of christianity and islam, states all light skinned caucasians are gods chosen people to enslave dark skinned slaves of Ham. Thats the Noah lineage.
What is Aryan invasion? Light skinned tribes from Europe/Central Asia, invaded India and enslaved the dark skinned dravidians. An EXACT REPLICA OF NOAHS THEORY. The reason they promote Noahs theory in India, is so people are Educated through a christian english education to carry out Noahs belief, so they start to attack each other based on Abrahamic ideology, So south Indians blame white bramins for enslaving dark dravidians. Christianity then offers a solution, first they tell south Indians they where enslaved by white brahmins, they then tell the same dark Indians, that inorder to free themselves they must worship a white skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed ARYAN called CHRIST!. Are you starting to see the irony?
Now for a deeper look. So christians consider Dravidians came from elam/sumeria/egypt area, what christians dont say is this. Dravidians are considered a tribe of HAM, they are considered a lineage of sumer, egpy, which was populated by the tribes of HAM, noahs slave son. Which means that Christians view south Indians are bibilical slaves of Noah called HAM. Also ontop of that Christians belief that Brahmins came from the middle east.
So that means, Dravidians are considered slaves of Noah and the god of abraham, But because christians covnert others, to their belief to create duplicate slave soceities, using god to do that, south Indians for the last 100years have been miseducated by white racist christians.
Think about it, how can european first claim brahmins are from europe, then claim that south Indians where enslaved by brahmins, then suggest that to break free you must convert and worhsip a blone haired blue eyed white skinned aryan called christ!…..Very soon it becomes absurd!!!…..However because Indain eduation system was hijacked by europeans, who then createded an education system that supported their belief of Noahs three sons, south Indians are being used by the same racist white chrsitians that enslaved africans, abused tortured people of dark skin, and today south Indains are worshipping the god of isrealites, that states dravidians are in fact SLAVES OF HAM!
NOTHING TO DO WITH HINDUISM, BRAHMINS, VEDIC, SANGAM.
So noahs theory in India is rewriteen as ARYAN THEORY. Then through a false european chrsitian education system of india, the south are being taught religious ideology of chrisitan and muslims as FACT!
”No foreign DNA in the Indian mainstream in the last 60,000years” – IBM genographic project.
Btw the reason why Christ is accepted in Islam, is simple, Christ was born into the Shem lineage of which mohamed was also born into! The reason why they want to claim vedic and vedic culture is because it predates christianity, islam, and judaism by many thousands of years, and this is DIRECT CONTRADICTION to their religious belief that the God of Abrahams chosen people of the middle east Where not CHOSEN!.
So for the past 200years, Indian vedic history at the moment undermines christianity and Islam, so they have been distorting and diluting the past so that in a few generations, ANY INDIANS, HINDU, SIKH, BUDDHIST AND JAINS, will no longer KNOW their history and will only know their history through European christian version of Indian history. And in a few generations after than, no one will know krishna, vishnu, buddha, nanak, other than in library books, Indians will grow up as a slave duplicate soceity, where Indian people have been told to ease their past and honor the past of the most brutal slave empire that hijacked god and enslaved the world!
ARYAN TALES are NOAHS LINEAGE! Christians consider Dravidians are biblical slaves of HAM!