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Dr Zakir Naik’s fraud exposed

Agniveer Research
By Agniveer Research
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अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

This entry is part 1 of 19 in the series Zakir Naik Exposed

Zakir Naik Exposed

While I have always been critical of his approach and conclusions, I always admired Dr Zakir Naik’s sincerity and loyalty to Muslims. I was impressed by his gigantic efforts in studying thousands of pages of scriptures and selecting verses that could be used to derive whatever crazy interpretations he has derived to prove Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in all world scriptures. I always used to wonder how he could gain all the time and energy to do so despite such a busy schedule of lecturing world around!

But suddenly I came across a book “Muhammad in World Scriptures” by Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi written in 1936. And I was shocked to find that Dr Zakir Naik has done NOTHING MORE THAN simply copying-pasting from this book, mostly word-to-word and cooked up his own ‘original’ research which he uses to claim that he is an expert in ‘Comparative Religion’. This is blatant plagiarization! And that too from a source that his followers consider worse than Kafirs.

So all Dr Zakir Naik has done is copying from works of another person, memorizing those and claiming all the fame for himself! And he did this so blindly that he did not bother even see the background of the original writer or how he has backstabbed his followers in the process.

Because Maulana Adbul Haque Vidyarthi was not an ordinary Muslim.

On contrary, he belonged to a cult which almost the entire Muslim world, and especially the sects which believe in ideology of Dr Zakir Naik considers as non-Muslim. They are in fact banned in Pakistan and many other countries. Ask any Muslim scholar, and he would start hurling abuses on them for disgracing Islam and Muhammad.

Yes, I am referring to the Ahmadiyya or Qadiyani cult. Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi was a disciple of its founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed who is considered worse than a Kafir by all Muslims who are fan of Dr Zakir Naik.

The reasons why Muslims hate Ahmadiyyas and refuse to consider them as Muslims are because they hold certain beliefs that no Muslim and follower of Dr Zakir Naik would dare to agree. Some are as follows:
a. Ahmadiyyas believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was a Prophet or Messenger, and this is ‘shirk’ – unpardonable sin as per Muslims
b. Ahmadiyyas believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed continued to receive new revelations
c. Ahmadiyyas believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmed to be a Messiah
d. Ahmadiyyas believe that Ram, Krishna, Buddha, Ashoka and Guru Nanak were also Prophets
e. Ahmadiyyas believe that Kalki Avatar would also be the final Prophet

and most importantly, the founder of Ahmadiyya cult is alleged to have hurled abuses and even cursed to Hell those who refused to believe in his prophethood!

The concept of Avtar is a ‘shirk’ as per Islam. All Islamic Madarsa teach books of Maulvi Md Ismail which specifically states that anyone believing in Avtars or further Prophets or Avtars as Prophets is doing ‘shirk’.

Dr Zakir Naik knows all this – that is why in FAQ on Hinduism, he refused to accept that Vedas can be revelations.

But he forgot that the material he has used to write other articles are directly lifted from Maulana Abdul Haque’s writings who agrees that Vedas are revelations. Thus  proving Prophet in Vedas or Bhavishya Puran is fine with Ahmadiyyas because that is how they justify prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad also.

But for all other Muslims, on whose faith popularity of Dr Zakir Naik rests, this is ‘kufra’.

While these writings do not affect Hindus or even Buddhists, Christians etc much, they definitely backstab a devout Muslim, especially when source of reference is not being quoted.

In summary, Dr Zakir Naik is guilty of :
a. Copying directly, even word to word, from works of Maulana Abdul Haque Vidyarthi, an Ahmadiyya without even quoting his references. This is blatant plagiarism.
b. Using his own name instead to falsely proclaim that he is expert on comparative religion
c. Cheating with other Muslims who consider Ahmadiyya and their beliefs to be worse than those of Kafirs
d. Backstabbing his blind followers who quote his works without realizing that Dr Zakir Naik has made them follow ideology of Qadianis/ Ahmadiyyas.
e. Trying to prove Vedas and Puran contain revelations of Muhammad but also refusing to clear admit Vedas as revelations. Thus he has deliberately not made clear whether in reality Dr Zakir Naik is a Qadiyani or not.

Only Dr Zakir Naik knows what is the real truth and what is his true mission. But his backstabbing has left his blind followers nowhere. Either they will have to admit to Ahmadiyya beliefs, which is the complete foundation of his writings and ‘research’ or regret their faith in Dr Zakir Naik being a Muslim.It seems obvious that Dr Zakir Naik is actually a Qadiyani/Ahmadiyya in disguise trying to fool common Muslims. But why does he need to put this disguise? Is it because Ahmadiyyas are persecuted in all Muslim countries? Or is it that he is a spy with some other hidden agenda. Or perhaps, the way he claims to have discovered new researches in Quran that even Allah, Muhammad, Ali et al could not discover, he is laying foundation of his own Prophethood!

And as per Islamic Criminal Law, that Dr Zakir Naik is such a great fan of, he himself can decide what should be the most appropriate punishment for him. Sharia says that a thief’s hands should be chopped off. Hadiths say that one who deserts his faith or community should be killed. This is time to test how sincere are Dr Zakir Naik and Muslims who have followed him so far, to the teachings of their own divine texts.

I am attaching the scan of the book with this post so that everyone can see Dr Zakir Naik’s fraud with his own people themselves. You can download original here.

You can view (not-so) original article(s) of Dr Zakir Naik at IRF website: http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145&Itemid=128 to compare with the original.

 

 

 

 

To know more about Qadiyanis, please visit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophethood_%28Ahmadiyya%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya_Muslim_Community

or any Qadiyani site for that matter.

Addendum:
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Here I provide comparison of work of Dr Zakir Naik and Maulana Vidyarthi, as explained by a Qadiyani Zahid Aziz.

1. Zakir Naik’s article gives various prophecies under four headings. Under the first heading (I) are three prophecies from the book Bhavishya Purana. The first of these is given as follows:

“A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj), after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins), offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, I make obeisance to thee. O Ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents.”


This is also the first prophecy in Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi’s book. It is identical with the quotation in Zakir Naik’s article. Except that in the Maulana’s book the word malecha is spelt as malechha, and his quotation has the following extra words at the end: “O Ye! The image of the Most Pious God, the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as one lying on thy feet.

2. After quoting the prophecy, Zakir Naik’s article draws out six points from it. The Maulana, after quoting the prophecy, lists ten points. We find that Zakir Naik’s first three points are the same as the Maulana’s first three points, and his points (4), (5) and (6) are the same as numbers (10), (7) and (6) respectively of the Maulana. The wording is also very similar.

For example, point (3) in both begins with the words: Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet”.

3. Following these six points, there are two further comments in Zakir Naik’s article. The first is in answer to the objection that Raja Bhoj lived in the 11th century C.E. The objection and its answer as given in this article are exactly as in the Maulana’s book, namely, that there was not just one Raja Bhoj. The article says:
The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj.”

while the Maulana’s book has:
Just as the Egyptian monarchs were known as Pharaohs and the Roman kings were called Kaisers, similarly, the Indian rajas were given the epithet of Bhoj

4. The second comment relates to the part of the prophecy about giving the promised one a bath in the Ganges, and the article says:
The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom

The same comment is found in the Maulana’s book in the following words:
“Another point which requires elucidation is the Prophet’s taking bath in ‘Panchgavya’ and the water of the Ganges. This did not, of course, actually happen as it was only a vision; so we give it the interpretation that the Prophet will be purged of and made immune from all sorts of sins.”

5. The second prophecy from the book Bhavishya Purana in Zakir Naik’s article is also the second prophecy in the Maulana’s chapter. It begins with the words:
The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country.

The wording of the entire prophecy (of which about one-tenth is given above) is identical in the article and the book.

6. Following the prophecy, Zakir Naik’s article makes ten points about it, while the Maulana’s book makes twelve points. Naik’s first two points are the same as the Maulana’s first two points. His 3rd to his 10th point are the same as the Maulana’s points (5) to (12), in the same order.

7. The third and final prophecy from the book Bhavishya Purana in Zakir Naik’s article begins as follows:
Corruption and persecution are found in seven sacred cities of Kashi, etc

In the Maulana’s book also, this is the next prophecy, and is given in almost the same words.

8. We now reach the second heading (II) in Zakir Naik’s article. Under this are given three prophecies from the Atharva Veda. In the Maulana’s book also, these are the prophecies that occur next.

Each and every point noted in the article about these prophecies is to be found in the Maulana’s book, in the same order. Below I list the chief aspects of these prophecies as mentioned in Zakir Naik’s article and place in parenthesis the page number in Muhammad in World Scriptures where the same is mentioned:
Kuntap, which is the name of some chapters of the Atharva Veda, stands for Bakkah, a name of Makkah.
The word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’ and refers to the Holy Prophet.
The Holy Prophet is prophesied as the camel-riding rishi.
He is called Mamah Rishi and given certain signs such as a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets, etc.
He is called Rebh, which means the same as the name ‘Ahmad’.
The battle of the Allies of the Holy Prophet’s time is described and the word karo refers to the Holy Prophet.
The conquest of Makka is prophesied and the Holy Prophet is termed as an abandhu, meaning a helpless man.

9. Coming now to the third heading (III) in Zakir Naik’s article, under it one prophecy is briefly mentioned, to the effect that the Sanskrit word sushrava in the Rig Veda applies to the Holy Prophet. The same is in the Maulana’s book.

10. The fourth and final heading in Zakir Naik’s article gives one prophecy, which is from the Sama Veda, and it is translated as follows:
Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun.
This prophecy is found in similar words in the Maulana’s book.

11. Zakir Naik’s article then makes three points about this prophecy. The first of these is that the word ‘Ahmad’ here has been read by previous translators not as a name but as Ahm at hi and therefore they translated the mantra as alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”. These three points under this prophecy are found in the Maulana’s discussion.

12. At this point Zakir Naik’s article comes to an end — and so does the chapter ‘The Prophet in the Hindu Scriptures’ in Maulana Abdul Haq Vidyarthi’s book.

It can be seen that the article by Zakir Naik is nothing at all more than a greatly compressed version of certain parts of the Maulana’s treatment of the subject, following exactly the same order as in the Maulana’s book.

No doubt a later author can make use of the work of an earlier one, but if he benefits substantially from it then integrity requires that he must acknowledge the source.

In this case, the later author has merely repeated the results of the earlier work without any contribution at all by himself, and with no mention of the earlier work.

Do Hindu scriptures contain any Divine revelations?

The research by the Maulana was based on the teaching of Islam that prophets from God had appeared among all nations before the Prophet Muhammad. Muslim scholars had generally limited this to the Israelite prophets and a few others.

Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad revived and laid stress on this unique teaching and concluded from it that the great sacred persons of the Hindu religion must have been true prophets and its scriptures must have been Divine revelations originally. It was on the basis of this belief that the Maulana found prophecies about the Holy Prophet Muhammad in Hindu scriptures. This is why, in explaining the second prophecy given above, the Maulana writes:
The coming prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith.

However, Dr Zakir Naik has stated, in a different place, that the Vedas may not be revealed scriptures. Answering the question, whether we can consider the Vedas and the other Hindu Scriptures to be the revelations of God?, he replies:

There is no text in the Quran or Sahih Hadith mentioning the name of the revelation that was sent to India. Since the names of the Vedas or other Hindu scriptures are no where to be found in Quran and Sahih Hadith, one cannot say for sure that they were the revelations of God. They may be the revelation of God or may not be the revelation of God.

If nothing at all in them was revealed by God, then how did prophecies about the advent of the Holy Prophet come to be in these books? If they may not be revelations at all, then it is also possible that the quotations from them given by Dr Zakir Naik may not be prophecies about the Holy Prophet Muhammad revealed by God.

Interestingly, in his article Dr Naik has actually copied the Maulana’s statement above: The coming prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, which means that the Holy Prophet confirmed that those scriptures were originally revealed by God. Perhaps Dr Naik did not realise that this contradicts his own belief expressed elsewhere.

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/2971/naikexposed-hi/

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/2971/naikexposed-hi/

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Read Post Disclaimer

It is possible that this post is based on the translations and commentaries of Islamic texts like Quran, Hadiths etc. as published by all major Islamic publishing sources. These are the publicly available translations that are used for promotion of Islam by prominent representatives.

We, however, believe that most of these texts have been wrongly translated, misinterpreted, misquoted or even have been tampered with and interpolated to suit the selfish designs of proponents of Islam after Muhammad. Thus, we believe that original Islam and original Quran of Muhammad are totally different from what have been propagated by his followers in name of Islam. There are few minority groups in Muslims whose scholars subscribe to our views and interpret/translate Islamic texts differently or even refuse to consider the available Quran and Hadiths as authentic. But these scholars themselves are considered Kafirs and are condemned by a dominant elite group of Islam. Thus, when we refer to Islam, we actually imply these dominant elites of Islam and not Muslims or all Islamic scholars in general.

Wherever we critically evaluate Muhammad, we imply the fictitious Muhammad propagated by these false texts or their wrong translations and not the original Muhammad. We have high regard for original Muhammad who stood for non-violence and tolerance. Similarly, when we analyze Islamic texts, we refer to these questionable translations/versions and NOT original texts.

Further, we have a sense of the highest level of brotherhood for Muslims in general. Wherever we use the word Muslim in a critical manner, it refers to false representatives of Islam and not Muslims in general. Readers are requested to keep this in mind to understand the correct perspective of such posts on this website.

Nowhere should they assume the words like Islam, Quran, Prophet etc. to be referring to original noble entities, unless it has been referred in a positive light. We restrict ourselves only to notions prevalent in minds of fanatics and those without reason.

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इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

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  4. […] Islam definitely means ‘peace’ in Arabic. However fake Islamic representatives like Zakir Bhai, MBBS (Dr Zakir Naik) are bent on proving the contrary. We have already seen how Dr Zakir Naik, who claims to be a Wahabi, is actually a Qadiyani with an agenda of his own. (Refer the expose on his fraud writings). […]

  8. Whatever be the correct word, but can Kafir go to Heaven? What will happen of the 72 sects of islam who are not on path of truth. And who will decide who is on path of truth. If Allah will decide, why does he not decide and tell immediately. because once death comes, as per islam, there is no possibility to correct the blunders. And only one sect out of 73 will go to heaven. Thus a Qadiyani, Shia, Sunni, Bohra, Wahabi, Beralvi etc cannot be in heaven together.

      • Namaste ANIS,
        From your language (your way of speaking ) you seems to be from one the most dirty area. Which book teach you all these things? Didn’t your parents teach you how to speak? I think Allah will put you in hell for this because you are using abusing word just to fight for own sect which is wrong. Does Quran or Hadit permit to abuse any person while debating ? If yes then reject such things from these book and if No then you will go to Hell. This article is mainly for exposing fraud of Dr. Zakir Naik (I don’t know which University has given this MBBS degree to him as far as I know his knowledge in this area is very less)
        If you don’t have further logic to refute this, accept this. I know you don’t have any logic because your books never permit logic but tells to believe blindly what one Slaughter (PBUH)told you.
        Brother my honest advise to you that don’t follow such things which are really not good for humanity. Just consider all good and righteous person in the universe as your brother and not only those called as Muslim or having external identification like Beared,Cap,Short Pyajama. These identification is become now identification of Terrorist. If you want to change this meaning behave like good human being with rest of the world.
        Satyamev Jayate …
        Peace be upon you…
        Take it as brother advise and read it by forgeting my identification (name,body etc). I am human being just like you namely called as Rahul just to distiguish among others ppl.

      • Whoever you are. I think you are in big misunderstanding. If dr zakir naik has copied the and read the book of maulana haque about Mention of profit muhammad (p.b.u.h) . But do you he is not saying only about Profit muhammad(p.b.u.h), but he is also saying about the concept of god in all religions and is giving the thousands of references from the scriptures. He says that worshiping Murti, photo, sun etc is prohibited in hindu scriptures and all that. Where from he has got his knowledge . You need not to think about that . If you thing he is saying wrong , You can check his quotations from your scriptures.
        And listen to me brother, Allah has given you oppertunity through Dr zakir Naik to know the truth and come to the religion of piece. But neither you are taking the benifit , You are trying to Declear him false and fruad. If there is mention of Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) in your scriptures then why are you not following his teachings.
        Now iam advicing you don”t waste your time in these activities You are doing. ” come to common terms that are between us and you” And that is —-THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD(P.B.U.H) IS HIS MESSENGER.
        And another Misunderstanding of you is that Dr zakir naik gives the references of vedas about prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) to believe in him. But on the other hand he says that vedas is not the true word of god. Brother you are wrong or you have listened wrong. Dr zakir naik doesnot said this. What he said is that —-Vadas may be a word of god And he says Ram, May be a messenger. But he also says that god had given meny revalations to many messangers and these were for the particular people belonging to that time.
        If god wants to give only one revalation to only one messenger then why there is mention of the last and the final messenger prophet muhammad(p.b.u.h) in vedas.
        Brother try to understand Islam from the heart you will get answer answers.
        ALLAH says in holy quran–” WHO THO THOSE WHO WRITE THE BOOK WITH HIS OWN HANDS AND SAY THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD”

        AND PLZ BROTHER DON’T TRY TO SPOIL THE NAME OF DR ZAKIR NAIK.

      • And i forgot to tell you that if i tell you to bow before me. Do you bow? Same is the meaning of NAMASKAR. When one says namaskar, he is saying that iam bowing (jukana) my head before you. And a muslim does not bow his head before anyone besides ALLAH.

        And brother if you want to know further more about Islam Visit to http://WWW.PEACETV.NET

      • Namaste shahbaz rafiq reshi

        do you know the meaning of salla ? – prayer ,prostration, bowing.

        Whenever you say Muhammad( Sallahu Alayhi Wasallam ) – you are indeed saying that Alllah bowed (or would bow) down to Muhammad.

        Now tell me who is at a greater fault?
        the hindus who bow down to the all pervasive divinity (they don’t bow to the individual but the divinity that pervades him/her) OR the God of Islam who himself bows down to a dead man? 🙁

        Dhanyawad

      • You have sin against almighty Allah, I wish he forgives you.
        I will advice that you dont talk about a religion you know nothing about. Find out for your self by reading the scriptures and knowning the words how they are used before castigating them.

      • you have done sin against humanity by accepting unjust quranic allah as easwar. i will advice you to don’t defend a religion which is against the principles of humanity. Find out the truth of quranic god by yourself by reading the articles posted on this website before blabbering without authentic proofs.

        This might help you

        http://agniveer.com/3839/islam-the-religion-of-tauheed/

      • Namaste Abubakr Adam (Sallahu Alayhi Wasallam )

        can you explain the meaning of SAW – Sallahu Alayhi Wasallam ?

        and do you know the meaning of sin?

        sin is – when you glorify a person who broke the traditions of even his generation to full his sensual desires (Aisha, Zainab)

        sin is- when you glorify a person who looted his own people’s caravan (Quraish caravan raids)

        sin is – when you blindly follow a person who made slavery an organized business

        sin is – when you hate your own ancestors (who were force converted to this religion) and culture in favor of the retarted culture of those who forced it upon them.

        there’s lot of sin in what you believe ..so stop lecturing me on sin sir

      • Arabic phrase salla Allah alaihi wa sallam, meaning “may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him.” It is a standard Muslim expression of love and respect for the Prophet

      • Namaste shafeeq
        So may I write Salla Allahu Alaihi Wassallam with your name or my name, this is what Brother Indian Agnostic is interested in? 🙂

      • quran says “There is no compulsin in religion but truth stands out from error”. Discover the truth and truth shall free you.If anything is right then take it otherwise leave it and for your knowledge go to authentic sources.suppose say you want to study about hinduism then refer vedas,Islam refer quran and Hadees.GOD has not created us to fight each other.Whatever we do hear we have to answer hereafter.
        QURAN SAYS ABOUT GOD “THERE IS NOTHING LIKE HIM”(112:4)
        YAJURVEDA SAYS “NA TASYA PRATIMA ASTI”(32:3) -GOD IS IMAGELESS.

      • @shafeeq:

        There is no compulsin in religion but truth stands out from error”

        Ok…sounds great. Hopefully since you dont want to compel people to believe in the same fairy tales that you do, could you please unequivocally condemn death penalty for apostasy under Shariah? Personally, as a Hindu I dont even have an opinion on the release from cycle of birth and death of a Muslim. Could you, as a Muslim, come out and state that despite my not believing in Mohammed rasool Allah, I am not destined for eternal hellfire?

      • That verse you said no compulsion in religion is abrogated by Quran 4.89

        “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them”

      • While we are on the topic of abrogation, we might as well point out that There is no compulsion in religion… is in direct contradiction with Sahih-Al-Bukhari 9:57. 🙁 So, which one is it, practitioners of the religion of “peace”?

      • If you think what you think is right then why don’t you directly debate directly with Dr. Zakir Naik instead of writing these blogs.

      • Dear Brother Rahul,

        Peace be to you. I want to say, leave Dr. Zakir Naik. Nor Islam starts on him nor it ends to him. Don’t be bias. Read the book on Islam not by Muslims but by non Muslims and understand what they say about Islam. You abused Prophet Muhammad (SAWS). As Brother Anis abused someone you wrote so much to him which I will not write to you but leave it to you that you fit yourself to that same justification which you implied to Brother Anis. So please be broad minded and open hearted. There is no compulsion in Islam. If you like it accept it else as till date you have reject, continue to reject till he judgment your lord and my lord is made to us.

        Brother Agniveer has posed a question that a Kafir can go to heaven. So my logical reply is the heaven and earth is created by your lord and my lord the one and only one. We call him as Allah and any one can call him with any beautiful name which are his only attributes no one can have that attribute. So if someone is rejecting him by not following his command and teachings are disbeliever in Arabic are called as KAFIR. Now how it is possible that the creator will allow the beings those who rejected his faith in to enter on the heavens or (JANNAH in Arabic). So please be patience and wait for the hour to come and everything and act will be made clear to all of the doers good or bad. Our deed will be brought in front of us and the lord will make judgment and will rewards us or will put us to the hell fire.

        Another question posed by Brother Agniverr is about the sect, yes 73 sects Islam is not teaching to all human beings to divide them in to the sect, cast color creed or region and despite each other. Rather Islam teaches all of us to unit as we all are children of one pair of our parents Adam and Hawwa. The devil the cursed disobeyed the All Mighty Lord and was rejected by the Lord and will be put in the hell fire. His will wish he will take as many those who obey him by disobeying your true Lord to the HELL FIRE (JAHANNAM in Arabic). I cannot explain all the aspects here. And hence I request to my entire human brother to read and understand the truth which your Lord has revealed to you before the death takes over.
        Another question by Brother Angiver “If Allah will decide why does he not decide and tell immediately. Because once death comes, as per Islam, there is no possibility to correct the blunders.”So Brother Agniveer He has give you chance to correct yourself by giving you the right guidance and revelation and prophets. And here is the test. The lust of the world is one side and the WILL OF YOUR LORD not to get lost in this worldly lust. Now you chose and decide your destination. It is as if our Govt. wishes to give jobs all the citizens. But to get the job of honor we have to study and get the position. Just our Govt. we to be employed so with going to school, college and university government will not assign us any job of as an accountant or doctor or engineer and so on. So be logical. With you put your effort where your creator has give you the free will to chose and you want the best while make no effort to qualify for that.
        May Allah show all of us the right path to the true success.

      • Mr. whoever u r, i don’t know that what ever Dr. zakir Naik has done ALLAH knows better and u r doing this becoz u know he is telling truth every non-muslim fails infront of him. i hope so that u might b not knowing the name of ur relogion and one more thing if ever u have read vedas u myt have seen there these kind of words by auhor” chahrum dharm” sentence lyk this i don’t remember all this next tym i’ll tell u,this sentence is is 22 times written in this book, but i remember the meaning, it is: ” a mere maane walo , ik kitab aaye ge aasmaan sa us main ik sentence 22 bar hoga woh aakhri kitab hoge aur woh dharam sacha hoga” if u ever read the QURAN u will c there a sentence which is 22 times … so forgot all this come into reality if till u r not satified mail me at [email protected] , i’ll make all things clear to u

      • Hello sir/madam, with due respect I would like to ask u do u know what is the faith of a Muslim? If u know the qalima it means that “there is no god but Allah and Muhammed(s.a.w.) is his profet. So no Muslim follows any leader unless he is on the path Muhammed(s.a.w.) so following brother zakir blindly isn’t possible. As long as brother zakir follows quran and sahi hadith we follow him. And about brother zakir’s knowleged is concern, whatever source he got the knowledge from doesn’t really matter as long as it is not contradicting with the teaching of Quran and Muhammed(s.a.w). We Muslim do not follow islam blindly. Quran is the book of signs please read those signs and think about it. Inshaallah you will get the right path and the answer to your allegations on the Muslims. Till now I wasn’t defending brother zakir but now please tell me how do you know that the knowledge he shares with the world is for the fame? One more thing, today expertise any subject does it means that you cannot refer the matter or work of other and use it, if it is true or benifical? One more thing assume there is a company and the employees of that company wears the I.D card of that company. One of the employee robs a bank and get caught when he was wearing the I.D. Card of the company and then blames the company for the robbery without any proof, who should be held responsible? Hope you understand that Terrorists and a man with beard and short pyjamas has nothing to do with each other. Last but not the least I apologise on behalf of my brother Anis.

      • Hello Respected Brothers/Sisters And Mr Rehan also,

        With due respect i also want to say something, It is good that Mr Zakir is very knowledgeable person and have full knowledge of Koran also. As Rehan said that zakir naik is not sharing his knowledge for fame but tell me why he is doing comparison between releigion. Because he wants to spread ISLAM in this country for giving wrong quotation from VEDAS. I checked all worng interpreation of Zakir naik and found he did very wrong work against HINDU’s. In sanskrit if you change one letter then you will get a wrong meaning and Zakir Naik did same. I should say “Zakir naik ne vedas ke sholak ke meaning ka Aarth ka Anarth ker diya”. We are hindus and we can not accept Koran as a holy book of Allah because there is no single versus in vedas or in Upnishad where the iswar name allah is mentioned. Only one book “Bhavisya Puran” where the muhhmad name is mentioned but zakir naik tell to all brothers only one versus worng meaning not whole chapter. Again Ram and Krishna was not prophet if someone create a prophecy for him then it is again a sin. RAM and Krishna is the avatar of Iswar. Do you know any prophet who show his full form of body having whole universe and said yes it is me…..I beleive no one only and only Sri Krishan the GOD……continue with my post after getting question

      • Assalam ali kum Bro,

        tell me are you a true Muslim are not……….?

        Because true muslim never answer in slang words……, if you dont like the comment then jus ignore it or try to correct them as the truthseeker doing, this is what Islam teaches……..

        pls dont continue this in future and insult anyone…

        Assalam alai kum

      • Namaste Tameem Brother
        You seem to be knowledgeable and polite Muslim. Can you tell me Brother why Quran calls non believers worst of creatures?

      • Bro Vajra:
        The Quranic verses are to be read as a bunch and never separately.
        Now, many of the verses were revealed to Mohammed during war, during oppression by non believers, persecution etc.
        During these times, the villain of the piece were non believers. So, they were labelled as some of the worst creatures. Thus, to someone cherry picking a verse, it would look as if “non believers were worst of creatures”.
        On the contrary, Mohammed kept many non muslims closed to him including his uncle who did not convert but was still his advisor.
        I hope this clears the air a bit.
        Regards.

      • Namaste Yogi raj (Yog has been declared Haraam by Mullahs BTW 😉 )

        1. Maulana Maududi makes it clear for whom the word “Kufra” of this Surah applies! He writes in Tafheem ul Quran for the Surah 98-

        “Here the word kufr (unbelief ) has been used in its WIDEST SENSE, which includes different forms of the unbelieving attitude. For example, some were unbelievers in the sense that they did not acknowledge Allah at all: some did acknowledge Allah but did not regard Him as the One and only God, but worshipped others as well, thinking they were associates in Divine Being or Divine attributes and powers in one way or the other; some acknowledged oneness of God but committed some kind of shirk as well; some acknowledged God but did not acknowledge His Prophets and the guidance brought by them; some acknowledged one particular Prophet and did not acknowledge another; ‘others rejected the Hereafter.”

        2. No war is associated with the entire Surah 98 🙁

        3. So during that time the villain of the piece were non believers! Can I say the same for Muslims now (since behind almost every bomb blast and beheading of humans, Muslims are involved) that Muslims are worst of creatures?

        4. Can I know the name of Muhammad’s non Muslim uncle cum adviser? 🙂

        best regards

      • Dear Vajra:

        Have you taken a Quran learning course?
        The basic requirement for doing so is to leave ALL the prejudices and learn the meaning of the words as Allah inspires you to do. That’s what I have done and that’s how I derive the meaning of the words and their contexts.

        May be Mr. Maudidi has his own way of interpretation and I have mine.
        You on the other hand have not taken any steps to learn the book and you are quoting from the third party sources.

        “So during that time the villain of the piece were non believers! Can I say the same for Muslims now (since behind almost every bomb blast and beheading of humans, Muslims are involved) that Muslims are worst of creatures?”

        I hope you are a learned person. Let’s not go too far in History.
        Let’s start few examples right her in India itself.

        1.Rajiv Gandhi killed by Muslims?
        2.Indira Gandhi killed by Muslims?
        3.Our revered Mahatma killed by Muslims?
        4.All the maoists are Muslims?
        5.Ajmer Shariff blasts’s mastermind were Muslims?
        6.Hyderabad blast were by Muslims?

        I will not insult your intelligence by elaborating further.

        I will not enter into any debate with you regarding Surah No:98 because debate can only take place between two person having first hand knowledge of the subject. In this case, you are only referring to third party sources.

        @IA:
        Where have you read Muhammed cursing his uncle to Hell?
        Hadith? Let me tell you this:
        Take it with pinch of salt.

        I believe only Quran to word of my Lord while Hadith was written by man(men). So, the authenticity of several Hadith(s) are in question.

        Regards.

      • Namaste Maulana @yogi_raj

        Where have you read Muhammed cursing his uncle to Hell? Hadith?

        Yes indeed!

        from Hadit Sahih Bukhari where two of muhammad’s companions (Sahabas) report Muhammad saying this about his uncle who protected him and raised him up: “Perhaps my intercession will be helpful to him on the Day of Resurrection so that he may be put in a shallow fire reaching only up to his ankles. His brain will boil from it.”

        Let me tell you this: Take it with pinch of salt.

        thanks for the advise bro, but let me tell you this:

        I take whole of Islam and it’s text with a bag of salt already. I cant afford to respect these so called sahabas of the hadits.Unfortunately, rationality and humanity prohibits me from considering Muhammad as a role model from any angle

        I believe only Quran to word of my Lord while Hadith was written by man(men).

        Even quran was written by men and dictated by a man.It was collated by those very companions whose accounts you are dismissing!

        So, the authenticity of several Hadith(s) are in question.

        My friend, the authenticity of hadits is as much questionable as that of Quran.It’s another matter that you believe one and discard the other.

        best regards

      • Assalam u alaikum ( May peace blessing and mercy of ALLAH(swt) be on all of You)
        I just want to tell you that why are you questioning common muslims about Islam? Are you trying to break there faith or you want to understand Islam and accept Islam? If you want to break their faith in Islam , It is useless job. And if you are trying to understand Islam and accept Islam Talk to the persons who are well known about Islam. A common muslim may does not know all about Islam! If you want to know about islam visit to http://www.irf.net
        or talk to maulanas.

      • @shahbaz rafiq reshi your Maulanas himself has called Zakir Naik and his wahhabis as Dajjal and Shaitan and other thing is his ustad Tariq was crushed by PANDIT MAHENDRA PAL and he is running away Arya Samaj people.

        @shahbaz do you know PROPHET MOHAMMAD PROPHESIED ABOUT DAJJAL ZAKIR NAIK AND HIS NAJD SHAITAN MASTERS WAHHABIS IN SAHIH HADITHS AND OTHER HADITHS.

        Allah and Prophet Mohammad warned Muslims against Shaitan of Najd (Wahhabis) and its Stooges like Zakir Naik who will divide Ummah, who recite Quran but Quran will not go beyond their throat, who will kill or support killers of Muslim etc see below verses.

        Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: The Prophet (s)said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen.” The People said, “And also on our NAJD.” He said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! And also on our NAJD.” I think the third time the Prophet (s) said, “There (in NAJD) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan.”
        Sahi Bukhari (Book #88, Hadith #214)

        Allama Dahlan narrates an authentic Hadith in his book “Addarus Sunniah”, which he has quoted from Sihaah. The Holy Prophet (Sallalaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is reported to have said: “There will rise a group of people in the East who will recite the Holy Quran, but alas, the Quran will not go beyond their throat. This group will keep rising till the Day of Judgement and they will eventually rise with Dajjal.” “Their main symbol will be to sit in groups.” (Halqa) (from Bukhari Sharief, Vol. iii)

        http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f20/hadiths-on-najd-wahabism-31284/

        See the above Hadiths verses clearly refers to Wahabis and Zakir Naik

        Zakir Naik has divided the Ummah along the lines of Wahhabi, Sunni, Shias, Sufis and Ahmadiyas. He supported Bin Laden who killed many Muslims. Zakir Naik’s getup only shows that he follows Quran till throat below throat he wears Kufr western clothes and not following Sunnah clothes. Zakir Naik speaks hours and hours of lecture to wear Hijab and Sunnah clothing to woman and others but himself never wears Sunnah Clothing at Public. . Even DEOBANDIS ADVOCATES THIS TRUTH ABOUT WAHHABIS AND ZAKIR NAIK.

        http://deoband.8m.net/custom3.html

      • @SAMEER
        First know what is Dajjal, his motives, his appearances, his signs, time of appearances and then compare who according to the teachings of Quran and Hadees is Dajjal. Here is the detailed lecture on Dajjal and his emergence……….. and then match if the prophecies are coming true or not. Just by your saying that so & so is Dajjal will not become a dajjal. I wish you listen to all the episodes carefully.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS-6Sx2bgkI&feature=related

      • @Wellsaid, what I have saying is said by your own Muslim Brothers about Wahabis and his fraud followers like Zakir Naik who follow Koran till throat who give hours and hours of lecture of Sunnah clothing and Hijab to Muslim woman and muslim men but himself never follow it.

        @Wellsaid there are different meaning of Dajjal one is imposter and cheater and I did not refer about “symbolic dajjal” of hadiths because many muslims have already given his identity as Wahabi Taliban Pashtun Commander Mullah Mohammad Omar “The One Eyed Devil” . If you remember Taliban was created with the support of American Jewish Lobby and their Pakistani Stooge Benazir Bhutto for some oil pipeline.

        The signs of Dajjal are exactly match with Mullah Umer .No one in the history ever match these sign

        Ibn Umar reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). made a mention of Dajjil in the presence of the people and said: Allah is not one-eyed and behold that Dajjal is blind of the right eye and his eye would be like a floating grape.
        Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 7005

        1-Dajjal would have one eye … Mullah Umer has one eye only
        2-Dajjal would have problem in one leg –Mullah Umer has only one leg
        3-Dajjal will born in Khurasan -Mullah umer born in khurasan (area in afshanistan and Iran)
        4-Dajjal will claim as prophet then later God -Mullah wore the clothes of Prophet Mohammad and has claimed himself khalifa may be later he would claim other powers
        5-Dajjal would have fake hell and fake jannah ,his jinnah will be hell and his hell will be jannah —— Mullah Umer is makiing suicide bombers and claming that they will go to jannah (which is Haram in Islam ) actually is the hell .Mullah Umer Jannat is their so called shirat with who ever follow his shariat his life become hell .

        The Yahudis (Jews) of Isfahaan will be his main followers.

        Apart from having mainly Yahudi followers, he will have a great number of women followers as well.

        He will have with him fire and water, but in reality the fire will be cold water while that what appears to be cold water will in reality be a blazing fire.

        • Those who obey him will enter “his Jannat” while those who disobey him will enter “his Jahannam.”

        There will be a thick fingernail-like object in his left eye.
        •
        The letters “Kaa” “Faa” “Raa” will appear on his forehead and will be deciphered by all Mu’mineen regardless of them being literate or not.

        • He will perform unusual feats.

        Finally Isa (A.S.) will descend from the heavens and pursue him and eventually kill him at present day Lydda (Baad Lud). Mullah Umer Signs

        • Mullah Umer has one eye.He has thick hair ,he claims that who ever blast himself will go to jannat actully he will go to jahannum.

        • Mullah Umer born just beside that area

        • Afghan history shows that afghans are belong to Bani Israel Tribes even jew claim that Afghans have jew roots.

        • Many Women also follow their philosiphy .Like happened in LAl Masjid and Sawat

        • Mullah Umer has one eye and one leg.He always hide his forehead .

        • Not yet seen Kafir sign .Mullah Umer always hide his face

        • Not yet seen.

        • Mullah Umer already clamed as Kahlifa.

        • There are several stories among taliban about his feats

        Check the site below which is describing the dajjal ,jew and afghan relation .pure jewish sites also claim that the aghanis are their roots and will follow their “Masaya” dajjal when he will appears.

        http://www.moshiach.com/features/tribes/pakistan.php

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtun_people

      • Brother @yogi_raj

        you said : I believe only Quran to word of my Lord

        it would be interesting to learn from you the following :

        1. Quran 4:80 says “He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds). ”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html#004.080

        So my friend,please tell me how do you obey muhammad from the quran alone (minus the sunnah) ?

        2. what is the shahada according to you? (does it include Muhammad as the rasool? )

        3.do you belive in the concept of haajj and ramadan fast ? (it’s not mentioned in the quran)

        4. how many (and at what times) do you offer namaz and how do you perform the ritual? (theres no mention of the ritual nor the timings of prayer in the quran)

        5. how do explain kalala , riba etc. from the quran alone?

        thank you in advance

      • The verse you have quoted is from third party sources. As I made it clear earlier too, please DON’T take any verse individually.
        The said verse was revealed during the time of mobilizing people for war.
        I hope this clear air somewhat.
        Kalala is a someone who leaves neither parents or child after his death. What’s so difficult to understand here?
        Riba is tricky. It means staying away from Interest based activities. If someone has , let’s say, Rs. 1Cr with him; if he deposits the money and lives his life based on yearly interest, it’s not allowed.
        Also, involving yourself in pawn broker type of business is also not allowed.
        There are few more minute clauses but that’s what they are. minor.
        If a Muslim is truly Muslim when he approaches oneness with his Lord, is honest, is truthful, is charitable, is praying regularly,performs pilgrimage..
        These are the basic requirements and fulfilling them are more difficult than something like keeping a beard, non riba , halal meat etc
        Being honest and truthful is not an easy job. Deriving strength from your Lord alone in times of crisis is not for everyone. So, if one masters these, then the other things pales in comparison. Sadly, most of Muslims have started giving more importance to the minor things and lost track of the major. But that’s not for me to judge. Just trying to give clear picture what a true Muslim is.
        If you are worried that Quran does not “define” certain terms, do you think Quran is a dictionary? There is a mention of Earth a lot without definition. So, what do you want me do. Reject Quran by saying why It did not define what Earth is? Why did it not ‘define’ Earth as third planet of Solar System?
        I’ll not insult your intelligence by elaborating further.

        As far as Mr. Bukhari is concerned, I personally don’t have much faith in Hadith by him( or by any other). I don’t like people with prejudiced opinion. Let’s leave it here.

        Now, you question the very authenticity of Quran Itself. Well, go ahead. It’s a book without doubt for ME and I don’t give a F$%^ about what you do or don’t as long as you don’t try to impose your ideology on me.

        The authenticity of Quran was questioned by better person then you earlier too. Many people say why if Allah is so powerful, why isn’t everyone a convert? Nice question. I have a very suitable verse from Quran itself.

        “Fertile land gives out fruits while barren land gives out useless vegetation even though the rain which falls on them is same”

        That’s what happens when you sincerely take up word for word Quran class. No interpretation, No lectures.
        I have done the same and I am technically educated person who can derive the meaning of the verse using my intellect and Quran is sufficient for me to find guidance.

        Regards.

      • Namaste @yogi_raj

        The verse you have quoted is from third party sources.

        what do you mean by third party sources? ..It’s straight from the Quran

        As I made it clear earlier too, please DON’T take any verse individually.The said verse was revealed during the time of mobilizing people for war.I hope this clear air somewhat.

        Even if you ignore this verse , there are dozens more (which have nothing do with war) which emphasize the same . sample these :

        Quran 3:31
        قُلْ إِن كُنتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَاللّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
        Say: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL

        Quran 3:32
        قُلْ أَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ فإِن تَوَلَّوْاْ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُحِبُّ الْكَافِرِينَ
        Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.

        and some more … (that highlight the fate of those who reject the sunnah of the prophet )

        Quran 33:36
        وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَمْراً أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ الْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْ وَمَن يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَالاً مُّبِيناً
        It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.

        Quran 33:57
        إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذَاباً مُّهِيناً
        Verily, those who annoy Allâh and His Messenger (SAW) Allâh has cursed them in this world, and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating torment.

        Quran 33:66
        يَوْمَ تُقَلَّبُ وُجُوهُهُمْ فِي النَّارِ يَقُولُونَ يَا لَيْتَنَا أَطَعْنَا اللَّهَ وَأَطَعْنَا الرَّسُولَا
        On the Day when their faces will be turned over in the Fire, they will say: “Oh, would that we had obeyed Allâh and obeyed the Messenger (Muhammad SAW).”

        Quran 33:71
        يُصْلِحْ لَكُمْ أَعْمَالَكُمْ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَمَن يُطِعْ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَقَدْ فَازَ فَوْزاً عَظِيماً
        He will direct you to do righteous good deeds and will forgive you your sins.         And whosoever obeys Allâh and His Messenger (SAW) he has indeed achieved a great achievement (i.e. he will be saved from the Hell-fire and made to enter Paradise).

        Kalala is a someone who leaves neither parents or child after his death. What’s so difficult to understand here?

        How do you know what it means? Does the Quran explain the meaning of these ‘special’ words [ Kalala, Riba] ? NO!

        what’s ironical is that not only the Quranites, even the sunnis are confused about the meaning of these injunctions/commands of the Quran.

        this account explains the predicament

        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/069.sbt.html#007.069.493
        Sahil Bukhari
        Volume 7, Book 69, Number 493:
        Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
        ‘Umar delivered a sermon on the pulpit of Allah’s Apostle, saying, “Alcoholic drinks were prohibited by Divine Order, and these drinks used to be prepared from five things, i.e., grapes, dates, wheat, barley and honey. Alcoholic drink is that, that disturbs the mind.” ‘ Umar added, “I wish Allah’s Apostle had not left us before he had given us definite verdicts concerning three matters, i.e., how much a grandfather may inherit (of his grandson), the inheritance of Al-Kalala (the deceased person among whose heirs there is no father or son), and various types of Riba(1 ) (usury) .”

        If a Muslim is truly Muslim when he approaches oneness with his Lord, is honest, is truthful, is charitable, is praying regularly,performs pilgrimage..These are the basic requirements and fulfilling them are more difficult than something like keeping a beard, non riba , halal meat etc Being honest and truthful is not an easy job. Deriving strength from your Lord alone in times of crisis is not for everyone. So, if one masters these, then the other things pales in comparison. Sadly, most of Muslims have started giving more importance to the minor things and lost track of the major. But that’s not for me to judge. Just trying to give clear picture what a true Muslim is.

        Beautiful personal thoughts indeed. but contrary to your assertion, these are not Islamic at all 🙁

        Quran 16:106″ Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion , his heart remaining firm in Faith – but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty”

        In favorable situations any tom dick or harry can be truthful..it’s under compulsion that ones resolve for truthfulness is tested..and what does the God of Quran advises you to do? he asks the momin to LIE !

        so you see, you kafir views are unislamic (but let it be known that i respect these personal kafir views of yours )

        If you are worried that Quran does not “define” certain terms, do you think Quran is a dictionary? There is a mention of Earth a lot without definition. So, what do you want me do. Reject Quran by saying why It did not define what Earth is? Why did it not ‘define’ Earth as third planet of Solar System? I’ll not insult your intelligence by elaborating further.

        if you would have elaborated any further , you would have insulted your own intelligence instead.

        your intelligence suggests that a muslim born in tamil nadu or amazon would understand the meaning of kalala and riba by default, when even the arabs of Muhammad’s time did not understand these words?

        your intelligence suggests that all you need as a muslim is the quran alone, while many of its words are foreign even to arabs forget about non-arabs?

        what i asked you was your understanding of ‘specific’ words in Quran on which muslims since the inception of islam are confused about.

        BTW, who told you that the Quran does not talk about the earth? it talks about how Allah created earth first and then he created the universe and joined them together ..Quran boasts that it has everything explained in plain words

        Now, you question the very authenticity of Quran Itself. Well, go ahead. It’s a book without doubt for ME and I don’t give a F$%^ about what you do or don’t as long as you don’t try to impose your ideology on me.

        You are mistaken ..i am not forcing my ideology (or any ideology) on you ..i am assuming that we are trying to have a rational dialogue here to at least discard falsity and at best arrive at a better understanding of truth.

        if you are not interested , so be it 🙂

        The authenticity of Quran was questioned by better person then you earlier too. Many people say why if Allah is so powerful, why isn’t everyone a convert? Nice question. I have a very suitable verse from Quran itself.“Fertile land gives out fruits while barren land gives out useless vegetation even though the rain which falls on them is same”

        even five year old unbiased kids would find the Quran unauthentic based on the fact that there is not even a single copy of quran available since the time of the prophet and also the fact that it was compiled years after the death of the prophet from camel bones and memories of people.

        and the less said about the quranic verse you shared, the better. Allah lived in the 7th century arabia..he should have seen this 21st century ..where humans can convert barren lands into fertile lands.

        That’s what happens when you sincerely take up word for word Quran class. No interpretation, No lectures.I have done the same and I am technically educated person who can derive the meaning of the verse using my intellect and Quran is sufficient for me to find guidance.

        rest assured that i am as much if not more technically educated as you…and mind you bro , it does not take rocket science to discard the quran ..the numerous self contradictory vesres of the quran are sufficient to discard it

        best regards

      • Namaste Yogi Raj

        ————Have you taken a Quran learning course?————-

        No! Please refute me logically as I did to Quran.

        ————–The basic requirement for doing …… words and their contexts.————-

        Have you done same for Vedas? If no, how could you reject Vedas? How could you know that Quran is best and Vedas are not?

        —————-May be Mr. Maudidi has his own way of interpretation and I have mine.
        You on the other hand have not taken any steps to learn the book and you are quoting from the third party sources.—————–

        For any non Arab, the only way to understand Quran is from third party source 🙁 Allah says clearly that Quran is sent for Arabs in their language. May I know something about you? Are you Arab? Do you know Arabic? How do you get the context of verses if you dont believe in a third party source?

        ————I hope you are a learned person. Let’s not go too far in History.
        Let’s start few examples right her in India itself.

        1.Rajiv Gandhi killed by Muslims?
        2.Indira Gandhi killed by Muslims?
        3.Our revered Mahatma killed by Muslims?
        4.All the maoists are Muslims?
        5.Ajmer Shariff blasts’s mastermind were Muslims?
        6.Hyderabad blast were by Muslims?————-

        Killers of Rajiv Gandhi, Indira Gandhi and your revered Mahatma, maoists, do not take oaths of Vedas saying that such killings will give them Moksha 🙂

        But all Ajmal Qasab, Osama Bin Laden, Al Jawahiri, Baitullah Maisood, Fajalullah, Mullah Umar, Sallahuddin, Masood Azhar etc who are among the deadliest of the terrorists in the world take oath of Quran and Muhammad 🙁 This is the difference

        Ajmer and Hyderabad blasts are still disputed. Even if the bombers are hindus, they have not been seen taking oath of Vedas.

        ————–I will not insult your intelligence by elaborating further.—————

        You can elaborate whatever you want! But its beyond your capacity to insult my intellect 🙂 You can try it for sure

        —————I will not enter into any debate with you regarding Surah No:98 because debate can only take place between two person having first hand knowledge of the subject. In this case, you are only referring to third party sources.—————

        May I know that how do you confirm that Muhammad is messenger of Allah and Quran is the final word of Allah? How do you know that something is to be believed in as final word ? Can you tell me from “first party source” (Quran) that why do you call your “first party source” as Quran? 🙂

        BTW do you have first hand knowledge of Ajmer Sharif and Hyderabad blasts? If no, why did you raise these issues at all which contradict with your line- “debate can only take place between two person HAVING FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE SUBJECT”? If yes, you have something for which you should be interrogated by the police investigating the matter 😉

      • @yogi raj

        On the contrary, Mohammed kept many non muslims closed to him including his uncle who did not convert but was still his advisor.

        That’s factualy incorrect.it was Muhammad’s uncle who took care of blasphemous Muhammad in hard times and not the other way round.

        Muhammad tried his best to convert his uncle to islam while he was on his deathbed.But his uncle refused. This irritated the ungrateful Muhammad so much that he later said to his followers that his uncle would be in hell and his head would boil of the heat

        in short , even if you are good and patronizing to the prophet of Islam , you will burn in hell.

        this incident is a BIG LESSON for all those idiots who believe that being good to bad people is a good idea at all

      • Namaste Brother Indian Agnostic and Yogi Raj

        ————-On the contrary, Mohammed kept many non muslims closed to him including his uncle who did not convert but was still his advisor.————–

        In addition to this, Allah dedicated a whole Surah of Quran on this adviser uncle of Muhammad. Can you imagine Allah’s final and perfect revelation for whole mankind has one separate chapter dedicated to a Kafir and his wife!!! So you see Allah and Muhammad are so merciful 🙂 We Kafirs always go after them for no reason

        Brother Yogi Raj needs to come down from his state of “Samadhi” (since he might be in this state all the time being Yogi RAJ) and look at Surah Lahab to explore more about mercy of Allah and Muhammad on the adviser Kafir 😉

      • Brother Vajra

        @yogi raj is not talking about abu lahab but Abu Talib , the uncle who raised Muhammad and protected him all his life only to be cursed to hell by the ungrateful Muhammad 🙁

      • Namaste Brother Indian Agnostic
        Thanks for correcting me Brother. I got confused because both Abu Talib and Abu Lahab were his uncles and share first part of their names “Abu”!

        Brother am I right in saying that Muhammad was not so ungrateful since he cursed Abu Talib not to the severest hell ? 🙂

      • hey evryone…
        i guess instead of quarrelling for who wrote what and weather dr. zakir naik is ryt or someone else….y dont we 1st think bout what philosophies are ryt and correct..???
        and not only thinking bout it….but actually embibing it in our lives…!!!
        we regularly hear wat dr. zakir naik and other ppl has to say bout islamic philosophies…. but how many of us actually start practising them in our lives…???
        the source of inspiration can come frm anywhere to anyone to talk about anything….myt be dr. zakir naik has copied all what he has written is copied frm smwhere or may b not….!!!
        but this is for all the fans of zakir naik and others as well…..why dont we first think bout genuinly embibing all what we like and get inspired from.
        because, people who ryt it, is not important. what important is…if we are REALLY taking it in our lives.!!!!

        thank you
        may god bless us all

      • I do not have a reference in my mind where this is mentioned ‘bad creatures’. Almighty Allah created all creatures so that they should worship him and if the creatures he has created do not worship him but associate with him their own assumed gods like sun,cow, they cannot be considered as good but certainly bad.

    • Asalamu Alaikum: the sect which will go to heaven will be those who will follow two things (as mentioned in hadith of Sahih Bukhari) (1) “kitabullah” (The Holy Quran) wa (2) “Sunnati” (The Hadith of Prophet Muhammad SAW). Brother Islam is the solution for Humanity as Islam means “Slam” which means Peace.

      • Assalam alai kum bro,

        could you kindly explain the meaning of “ENKISH”

        As for as my knowlegde there no such word, langauage, religion of this name, then how u tell ISLAM means I slam……….. just spletting a word Islam and creating new meaning for it cant make a sense, even i can do the same. so hope you’ll reply to my comment. may allah bless all of us.

      • Brother Tameem Ahmed
        How will Allah bless those whose hearts have been sealed and eyes are veiled by none other than Allah?

        thanks

    • Khajeli Badbudaar Chut Ki Aulad Tera Aur RSS Togadiya Aur Narendra Modi Ka Ek Treatment Tumhari Gand Main RDX bharkar Aag Laga Di Jaye 🙂

      • abe behenchod Narendra Modi aane de sale..tu sab ki gand me rdx bhar bhar ke udayenge.. poore india me gujrat dohra denge..

    • Kafir is a person who denies the truth so a kafir cannot go to jannah. All people who believe in Allah and do not associate with him other gods and who bear belief in the last prophet sal-lallahu-alaihe-wa-sallam shall go to jannah.

      • quran to svayam ek jhuthi kitab hai !jo isko svikar n kare usko to satyavadi kaha jana chahiye ! jis tathakathit allah ke rasool v nabi bhejne ki taseer [gun]samapt ho jate ho usko allah hi kyo kaha jaye !

    • Sir thats why we are here to accept thar ALLAH is one and only and Muhammad(SAW) is his messenger…..this life is an exam if ALLAH decides now then nobody will go to hell thats why here we are preparing for hereafter one will pass and others will fail……. u talking about all these sects these r made now before they didn’t existed whoever believes in One ALLAH and His Messenger Muhammad (SAW) and practices Islam will InshAllah will go to jannah……

    • Mr Agniveer….
      This life is an examination where we prepare ourselves for the next life if ALLAH tells us now than everyone will start worshipping ALLAH and believing on HIM and the hell will be empty then….If you r in an exam then do u get the result before the exams??? U talking about the sects all these r made now before they didn’t existed whoever believes in ONE ALLAH and on HIS messenger Muhammad (SAW) and practices Islam will go to Jannah……..

    • That one thing is decided by the Holy Quran.
      Y do u always create false proclaims like general public. I thought u will be some learned guys publishing some fancy stuff of urs.
      But u seriously disappointed me..
      Your question is which sect will lead to heaven.
      The answer is simple. The one which follows all the commandments given in Quran and following Sunnat of Muhammed (pbuh) and avoiding shirk lyk u are doing,
      now my question to u. Wat do u think abt u? Will u go to heaven?

  9. Dear Brother,
    1. Zakir Bhai is copying word to word from Qadiyani sources. And he refuses to either accept the Qadiyani source or agree that he is Qadiyani. Is it not fraud. As per ethical norms, if one uses some previous research in so much exact detail, he should at the least provide reference to original research. Else it is considered a crime called plagiarism.

    2. There is nothing about his research in comparative religions that is separate from Qadiyani works, yet he refuses to accept or acknowledge the source. This is shamelessness.

    3. Despite he claiming to be a person of science, the scientific and logical arguments given by him are so stupid that they put scientific fraternity in shame. For example, he refers to researches by farmers and claims that those who eat peaceful animals are peaceful!

    • Assalamu alaikum,

      Dear Brother,

      If Dr. Zakeer is able to quote from any book either from kadyani, hindu or chritian, it dosnt mean is following that,

      he just providing a copmarative analysis and making clear to world and humanity that all should follow the one true relegion Islam

      please even if you also copy the material from Quran and hadith and tell your brothers and sisters your doing the thing which is approved by prophet

      ” that even if you know one Aya, forward it to others”

      please encourage those who actually calling others to the path of truth, whether they are copying the truth from any valid source if that would be varified as truth please except it else leave it.

      Thanks

      Assalamu alaikum

      • Brother Akbar

        you are confusing between authenticity and truth

        what is quoted about Islam on this site is authentic information ..it does not make the quran true or good

        on the contrary, the verses and hadits show the inherent violence, irrationality and hatred of non-muslims in the New Quran ..and must be rejected by any human being.

        zakir naik MISQUOTES from scriptures because he just plagiarizes the stuff from qaiyaani sources

        hope that clarifies

      • lol authentic information agnostic pretender why dont u just say ”im supporting my boss” nothing is authentic here not even the vedic verses these ppl quote
        these ppl insult dr. naik just becoz he shows the similarities, what these ppl had done if he exposed hinduism. all the authors of this site just copies frm anti islamic sites they know nothing thats y they are too scared to debate via email, and insists to debate here in comments so that they can delete the comments.

      • Bro @yeah me

        why don;t you see the divine purpose you and I are serving!

        you are doing a great service to hinduism by asking them to do away with the puranas and i am doing a great service to islam by asking you to do away with the quran and hadit

        i am an agnostic ..so i don’t hold any copyright on Truth ..it’s just that i am sensible enough to discard whatever is FALSE ..Islam is not only false but against humanity..that’s why i focus on it more

        FYI ..i don’t copy from anti-islamic sites ..i bet you would have learned a thing or two from my posts 😉

        and even if somebody quotes from anti-islamic sites ..what matters is if it’s authentic or logical or not ..and not the source per se

        why can’t u understand this simple logic !

    • Brother agni veer I think you don’t know the meaning of research for your kind information
      RE MEANS :-AGAIN ,ANEW,OVER AGAIN
      SEARCH :-TO EXAMINE CLOSELY AND CAREFULLY,TO TEST AND TRY,.
      AND DR ZAKIR NAIK DO ALL THOSE THINGS FROM 1000 OF VARIOUS RESOURCES MAY BE IF HE GET THIS DETAILS FROM ANY PERSON THAT’S NOT A MATTER MATTER IS THAT RESEARCH SHOULD BE USE IN RIGHT DIRECTION .FOR EXAMPLE YOU GO TO MARKET AND YOU PURCHASE VEGETABLE DID YOU ASK SELLER WHO IS A FARMER OF THIS VEGETABLE .DEFIANTLY SELLER WILL SAY WHY YOU WANT TO KNOW THIS AND YOU SAY BECAUSE IF MUSLIM FARMER GROW THIS VEGETABLE I WILL BECOME MUSLIM DEFIANTLY HE WILL SAY YOU ARE A INSANE PERSON SO PLEASE DON’T MAKE USE LESS Q WHICH DON’T HAVE PROPER SENCE MAY GOD HELP YOU MAY GOD HELP DR ZAKIR NAIK TO CONVINCE PEOPLE LIKE TO COME ON TRUE PATHWAY WHICH WILL TAKE YOU TO JANNA

      • @ Ayan,

        Ayanji, If a seller sells bad quality of vegetables and a farmer who grows these, then definitely one asks Q in the market. Those sellers and the farmers are to be stopped and banned to enter the market, so that they cannot do wrong with the people.

        Read BBC news dated 18th June 2010 with title “An Indian Muslim preacher (Dr. Zakir Naik) has been banned from entering the UK for his “unacceptable behaviour”, the home secretary says”. Visit this website, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10349564.

        Agniveer and his team oppose such sellers. May Eshwar help you to choose true pathway.

        Dhanyawaad

      • Dear Agniveer,

        As far as banned on Dr Zakir Naik entering UK i agree with you but they FAILED.

        Today is a live Historic debate in UK @ 12.30 India…….

        can you explain to all his fans why the official of well developed country cant stop him entering their own Land.

        I bet you that you dont have answer for it…………

        Because almighty Allah open the path for his people.

        Love

      • Brother Tameem Ahmed
        Can you explain to all of terrorist Zakir’s haters why the Babri Mosque was crushed under the feet of Kafir Hindus on Allah’s earth? Why could not Allah and his Mujahideen stop the MOSQUE from getting demolished?

        Do you know why?

        Because Allah has started taking favor of Kafirs

        Peace

      • @EMMY: hei who r u sayng as foool…nd @ Vajra bro it is not that Allah is favouring kafirs….as a muslim i dont want 2 hurt or abuse anybody but u shuld be using some sense 2 think that how can Allah(S.A.W) can favour people who believe in others gods other than him ..that is stupidity…and for your kind information dont talk about any releigion without knowing about it…if u want to talk anything first take the Qu’ran and confirm ur message then post but dont waste time on posting coments here for timepass…

      • Namaste Sister Shihama

        Welcome to the world of wisdom, hope you enjoy the change 🙂

        Do you know what your prophet has to say about your (women) intellect and status in religion?

    • Dr. Zakir has explained each and everything logically and openly. You are simply wasting your time. Dr. Zakir has replied all these nonsense.

    • So u are going to make a point against brother Zakir.
      OK, tats alright.
      Even Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) faced criticism.
      Nothing new in History being repeated.
      Haters gonna hate people. V should learn to ignore them and carry forward our journey else people lyk agniveer are gonna create mess in ur head soon or later.
      If Ahmed Deedat was still alive he would have surely given good replies to this agniveer.

  10. More importantly, if indeed Vedas mention Muhammad, then Muhammad is nothing but a mass-murderer as per the meanings that Zakir Naik tries to extract from the mantras! They say that fraud has no legs!

    • Can you please give refence..of what you said

      “Muhammad is nothing but a mass-murderer ”

      you hv wrongly interpreted his words…even i hv seen that video…he had mentioned battle of badra.
      in which he fought for truth …yes there were killings in the battle of badra….
      every religion teaches to stand against falsehood..nd to fight for truth..

      • 1. IRF in its website cites Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 and Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 21 verse no 9 to prove that Muhammad is mentioned in Vedas. Now the mantras mean, and IRF admits, that Muhammad killed 60,000 odd enemies of Mecca. IRF claims that 60,000 was population of Mecca in Muhammad’s times.

        Thus Muhammad killed the entire population of Mecca including children and women. Thus IRF itself proclaims Muhammad as mass-murderer just to prove him in Vedas. Ask them and not us why he is mass-murderer.

        2. Every religion teaches to fight against and falsehood and for truth. The only problem with Islam is that they consider that only those who believe blindly on Muhammad, Quran and Allah are on path of truth and others are Kafirs who would burn in Hell forever. The verse of Sword clearly mentions that one can kill them even if they do not attack you.

        If indeed Islam of Zakir Naik is tolerant and human, let him proclaim that even those who do not worship Allah or believe in Muhammad or Quran but are good people, would go to Paradise and are not Kafirs.

      • NOW WHAT IS THIS ?

        You Said:
        The verse of Sword clearly mentions that one can kill them even if they do not attack you.

        i m cross checking ur references….but i think you are misinterpreting everything….
        nd confusing me….I DON’T KNOW WHY…..
        being a hindu i always wantd to follow VEDAS…but the original Vedas are not
        available …..there are some verses in vedas also were wrong things are written against women….
        e.g
        At another placein Rig Veda it is written:
        “There cannot be any friendship with a women. Her heart is more cruel than heyna” – Rig Ved 10/95/15.

        there are many similar verses like this but i didn’t cross checked them…bcze i know its MANIPULATED…….i just cross cheked the above verse…..

        But I know that is not true…bcze our vedas are word of God…nd god can not write rubbbish things
        against women…..THAT VERSES ARE NOT TRUE….

        that is why i wnted to follow QURAN but that doesn’t mean i wil change my religion,,,
        bcoze every religion teaches same lessons

        I THOUGHT U WIL HELP ME….BUT U R CNFUSING ME…..
        I wil help myself…….
        Byee….THANKS……

      • @Anubha Gaur
        Sister, can you provide, which translation are you using? Do you know that Vedic words are “Yaugic”, and thus require the root of the word to get its meaning? Dont follow anyone’s translation, rather Rishis are right persons to translate the Mantra. Can you tell me, which Rishi has translated this mantra as per your given meaning?

        Please go through the article women in Vedas here http://agniveer.com/women-in-vedas/ and know the actual respect accorded to the women in Vedas.

      • Anubhaji…don’t listen anyone.Read yourself the bhavishya purana(only the one having neutral translation of sanskrit) and go through the verses mentioning about mohmmad.There is the story about mohammad.Morover do some research on kabbha and its connection with lord shiva.I don’t ask to believe in all these but these will be definitely helpful for your knowledge.(Mohammd has said to be the representative of demon gods in bhavishya purana’)

        This is kaliyuga and non vedic religion and beliefs will flourish in this era.Most of the philosophies will be polluted or will be product of mental speculation.That’s why many indian saints has exclusively proposed the ‘Bhakti yoga’ for this age.
        I don’t have time to write much nd believe me I can provide you all such mental speculation material to make you believe any conclusion.

        And one such speculation is that Arabas were far less advanced people than indian in ancient times that’s why knowledge of reincarnation, yoga etc were not given to them.As a student of class 1 can’t be taught a subject of class 10.Knowledge have been delivered according to time,place and circumstances and this is valid for all religion.

        And last thing read bhagvat gita.it is considered to be one of the most advanced piece of philosophy.Moreover all tradition of hindusim attest to it.

      • @Anubha Gaur : Why dont you simpy by the Veda from vedicbooks.com and clear all your confusions. ?? rather than aksing people and getting More confused.

      • BROTHER AGNI VEER AGAIN I WILL SAY YOU ARE INTERPRATING THINGS IN WROUNG DIRECTION IN INDIA THERE ARE GOLDEN WORDS NEEM HAKIM KHATREY A JAAN IF YOU HAVE A ANY QUESTION THEN WHY DONT YOU ASK THESE Q OM YOU TUBE TO DR ZAKIR NAIQ ON ON CHAT SIDE OF IRF I KNOW YOU WILL NOT BECOSE YOU WILL GET EVERY ANS OF YOUR Q .YOU ARE AFRAID TO ADMIT THAT ISLAM IS TRUE RELIGION WHICH WILL TAKE YOU TO JANNA MAY GOD HELP YOU .CORE OF MY HEART I PRAY TO ALLAH HE SHOW YOU A TRUE PATHEWAY AMMEEN AYAN

      • @ayan : Zakir Nain and IRF have been challenged multiple times by Arya Samaj and they have chikned out every time.. check for “Arya samaj challege zakir naik”

      • Study Islam with open mind. Study Quran without any prejudice. Study history of Islam. Study life of Hazrat Muhammad Peace be upon him throughly. I hope truth will revealed before. Try to find where the truth is sincerely and i am sure you will find it. Your knowledge of history is so poor that i have sympathy with you.

      • @Anubha Gaur
        So what is your concern? Same Muhammad has equated you with ass and pig as you are a woman!

        Muhammad said: Cut off your prayer when a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, or a woman passes in front you, but it will suffice if they pass in front of you at a distance of over a stone’s throw. (Abu Dawud Book #2, Hadith #0704)

        When you are so impure that prayers are cut off as soon as you appear, will not your praises to Muhammad be curse for him?

      • @ Arya, Anubha Gaur:
        Here is a detailed explanation:

        Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul prayers were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, “You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet.” {Bukhari :: Volume 1 :: Book 9 :: Hadith 493}
        Its plain enough that some people mentioned the things which, according to their understanding, annulled prayers and they mentioned “dog, donkey & woman”.
        But then Sayyidah Aisha (RA) rebuked them by saying “You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs” and then she clarifies that this not something taught by the Messenger of ALLAH (pbuh) as, she said; “By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed
        between him and the Qibla.”
        Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: “A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.”
        {Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 1034}

        But even these Ahadith never mean that these things annul the prayers, it only means that they can divert ones attention, they disrupt the prayers.

        Imam Nawavi, a famous Scholar writes in his commentary to this hadith from Sahih Muslim;
        أَنَّ الْمُرَاد بِالْقَطْعِ نَقْص الصَّلَاة لِشُغْلِ الْقَلْب بِهَذِهِ الْأَشْيَاء

        “Here disruption only means to have a negative effect on the prayers by the way of taking attention…”

        All these things mentioned here can disrupt one’s attention. A Jew because of his particular appearance and the fact that they were having a row with Muslims then, seeing an adversary can obviously distract one’s attention. A pig or an ass can become a source of distraction
        because of their course and loud voice and bad smell, a magian because of his unusual appearance (see from the point of view of Arabs then). And a woman could distract because of her beauty while prayers need full time attention.

        This is enough to prove that its only about being a cause of distraction that women are mentioned with all these things. Its not that-God Forbid!!-some parallel is drawn here.
        Its not to degrade woman, read the following !!!
        Now its not degradation for the females but only the truth is mentioned that if a woman passes in front of a man, this can get his attention diverted and that will effect the quality & sincerity of ones prayers. These are mentioned together only because they can divert ones attention.

        See its just as if a person says;
        “Humans, dogs & donkeys are all living beings”, this does not mean that humans are considered equal or same as dogs & donkeys or some parallel is being drawn between all these. Or does it ??
        And this is said for the grown up women only not small kids for they cannot divert ones attention in that sense.
        Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Qatadah said: I heard Jabir ibn Zayd who reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas; and Shu’bah reported the Prophet (peace be upon him) as saying: A menstruating (i.e. grown up) woman and a dog cut off the prayer.
        { Abu Dawud :: Book 2 : Hadith 703}

        Nothing annuls the Salah as such but these things can disrupt ones attention. Read the following Hadith;

        Narrated AbuSa’id al-Khudri:
        The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Nothing annuls prayer, but repulse as much as you can anyone who passes in front of you, for he is just a devil.
        {Abu Dawud :: Book 2 : Hadith 718}
        NOTE: Here the word ‘devil’ is used only in metaphorical sense that they become a source of diverting your attention from ALLAH.

        In the end I’ll only repeat a statement of Sayyidah Aisha from the very Hadith

        ” By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla.”

        HOPE ALL THIS WILL HELP UNDERSTAND !!

      • IN UR ABOVE REFERNCE U HAVE NENTIONED IN BRACKET THE MEANING
        OF MENSTRUATING AS BEING GROWN UP ….LET ME CORRECT UR ENGLISH
        MENSTRUATING DOESNT MEAN GROWN UP….
        MOREOVER I ASKED REFERENCES FROM QURAN N NOT FROM HADITH….

        …..can you please giv reference from QURAN…
        I repeat REFERENCE from QURAN…were women are subjugated…..

        No HADITHS….i don’t believe in Hadiths….because if thats the case i can quote
        sveral verses manu smriti where women are being subjugated ….

        so giv references from QURAN….

      • @Anubha Gaur
        First of all I want to clarify that if you dont believe in hadiths, you cant not be a Muslim as per Zakir Naik and Darul uloom Deoband. Believing in Ahadith is another essential condition to be a Muslim in additon to believing in Quran. So you decide, what you want! Anyway let me show you some verses from Quran which you would not like to be implemented on yourself!

        1. Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter, nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving. [Qur’an 4:43]

        2. Men are in charge of, they have authority over, women, disciplining them and keeping them in check, because of that with which God has preferred the one over the other, that is, because God has given them the advantage over women, in knowledge, reason, authority and otherwise, and because of what they expend, on them [the women], of their property.…. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient…. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, and beat them. [Quran 4:34]

        3. “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will.” [Qur’an (2:223)]

        4. “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here’s the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving.”
        Quran [24:34]

        5. “And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth.” Quran [24:6]

        6.If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.” Quran [4:15]

        7. So if a husband divorces his wife, He cannot, after that, remarry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. [Quran, 2:230]

        8. There is no blame on you if ye divorce women before consummation or the fixation of their dower. [Quran, 2:236]

        9. Quran [4:3, 4:24, 4:25, 23:6, 33:50, 33:52, 70:30] allow Muslim men to use captive women to fulfill their sexual desires no matter they are already married.

        What more do you want? Please go through our articles on women on this site and see what Muhammad and Allah talk about women.

      • u cannot trust all hadith. ONLY SAHIH ones. please research on it more..the internet is in ur finger tips. unlike ur hindu scriptures, hadiths had been carefully analysed based on chain of narrations, and some hadiths are marked as sahih (trustworthy) while others are NOT and are false.

      • @Anubha Gaur

        Thanks for correcting my English….Sister, the words menstruating is only used here to make a distinction between a grown up and a child.

      • @truthseeker
        So you mean that Abu Dawud is wrong! And where in Bukhari hadith, which you have given, is it written that this is not said by Muhammad? It rather proves that Muhammad used to contradict his own beliefs as he did in case of number of wives!

        And you yourself given proof from Sahih Muslim and told that only three things can divert one’s mind! Is it so? Cant an elephant or camel divert one’s mind? Is this only woman, ass or pig which will do so?

        In the end I’ll only repeat a statement of mine that Muhammad contradicted himself by ordering others not to pray while women pass in front of them but he himself used to pray while Aisha used to be in his bed with him.

        Brother truthseeker, come back to Vedic Dharm of your glorious ancestors.

      • @Arya,

        Brother, you are very new to Hadeeth sciences. Hadeeths are transmitted by human beings and hence, the narrators understanding and eloquence of transmitting may not be perfect. So, when you look at an issue, you bring forth all the authentic hadeeths regarding the argument and then arrive at a conclusion.

        You did not quote the full Hadeeth of Abu Dawud : This is the hadeeth. Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

        Book 2 : Hadith 704
        Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone’s throw.

        Note the words Ikrimah says “I think….”.

        Regarding the number of wives, it was an exception to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
        Elephants were not common in Arabia. Camels do not distract as much as pig/ass. I have given the reasons. You are simply arguing over nothing…

        Anyways the comparison of women with dog/ass etc based on this is purely illogical….

        You are welcome to true monotheism and shun the false beliefs.

      • @truthseeker
        Brother, if you accept that hadeeth contain/may contain errors then why believing in those is necessary condition to become a Muslim as per Zakir NAik and Darul Uloom Deoband? Can you be a muslim without believing in hadiths?

        And if your eyes are closed, any Jew, woman, elephant, camel, dog, pig etc cant disturb you unless you are a cheater and open your eyes during prayers! And if eyes are kept open during prayers, everything including stone, christian, man, woman, kids etc will disturb. What is so special with Jews by the way? Can a Hindu or Christian pass in front of a Muslim during his prayers?

        Muhammad was an exception! What a great logic!!! I ask you, if Muhammad would have kept your ….. as sex slave and then would marry them, would you still say him an exception? (Please dont take it personal, I have full respect for your mother and sisters)

        And by your great exception logic, Islam does not teach Shirk but Muhammad is included in prayers because he was exception! People should not kill innocents but Muslims can do it in the name of Jihad because Islam is exception! People should not abuse women but Muslims can because Muslim males are exception! And this is why Islam is exceptional and everyone should accept it!

        Just think once carefully brother, who is Monotheist, me, who does not bow down to any stone/idol and does not include any person’s name in prayers, or you, who bows down to a stone Qaba and remembers a person Muhammad along with Allah in the prayers!

      • @ Arya,

        Read the fatwa carefully before commenting on the same. Are you blind or what? The fatwa talks about Saheeh hadeeths , NOT ALL hadeeths. Got it.

        Jews were Muslims enemy. So, its natural that attention gets diverted.

        Regarding sex slaves, it was not Islam that started it. Rather, Islam gave a practical solution to it. Moreover, I won’t go to fight a messenger of God. Try to think the situation 1400 years back.

        The next para is utter non-sense. No comments.

        Bowing down to Kaaba was debunked long back. You deleted my comments as well as Vik’s challenge in the other thread. Now, you are coming back with the same stupid logic.
        We don’t worship anyone other than Allah (swt). Agniveer has written “worshipping fire”. Now who is true monotheist.

      • @truthseeker

        brother, do not worry about us, in this discussion we are criticizing the islamic practice of bowing before kaaba which is still idol worship. In our Vedic Dharma, Eeshwar is OMNIPRESENT, this means Eeshwar is pervaded through fire as well. But in Islam, Allah is not omnipresent, and u bow down before the kaaba to worship him, now kaaba is a monument or stone, and anyone who bows down before a stone for WHATEVER reason is called idol worship. Now, that is the problem with ur religion, u are commiting two sins at the same time, u are doing shirk, since u should not bow down to anyone other than allah, but u bow down to kaaba, and u are doing idol worship as well when u associate kaaba in ur prayers. Brother, wake up, please do not ignore this, u know very well this is idol worship, brother u are in the same boat as hindus, budds, jains, christians and all others who do idol worship.

      • @truthseeker
        1. Narrated ‘Aisha: The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a Woman.” (Bukhari,V1B9N493)

        2. The Messenger of ‘Allah said: …y prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. When he was asked about the specialty of black dog, he said: The black dog is a devil. (Muslim, Book #004, Hadith #1032)

        These two hadith are from “Sahih” Ahadith and not from “Galat Ahadith”! Now what do you say?

        Can you tell me the speciality of black dog in terms of disturbing a Namaji as per your justification? Hadith says -“because black dog is a devil”! Prophet Muhammad did not point your logic of disturbance! Why?

        Regarding Jews, elephant, camel etc, you did not tell me, if eyes are closed, how can one’s mind get diverted?

        So Muslims want to rule the world based on books full of retired customs like sex slavery, loot, and Jihad, which were relevant 1400 years back and not now! And you wont go to fight messenger of Allah!!!
        Did I ask this? Can a person who kept sex slaves be called as a prophet? Can a person, who allows his men to rape the women of enemies be said as messenger of Allah? If this is the message, why dont you prefer to be without message?

        Everyone’s comments were deleted due to some technical problem I guess. You can see yourself, mine, Vik’s, SDC’s, everyone’s comments are gone! If you won that debate, you can do it again, cant you? And I asked you that we dont bow to any physical structure and you bow to Kaba! We dont remember anyone except Eeshvar during prayers unlike you, who remembers Muhammad along with Allah! Is not Vedic Eeshvar more Laasharik that Islamic Allah?

        “Agni” in Sanskrit means “enlightening”. If I talk about spiritual lightening, Agni means Eeshvar, and you can see this in “Nighantu”, the Vedic dictionary by Rishi Yaask. We dont worship any physical fire!

        I invite you to the original Dharm of your ancestors!

      • @ Vik,
        I had already explained very well how it does not fit to idol worship even citing possible scenarios and examples from history , hope you remember. By your association logic, tmrw you can also say that “Muslims worship prayer mats bcoz they use it in their prayers”. Arguing more and more over this only shows your weak understanding and showing a blind eye to the truth.

        @ Arya
        1. I had quoted the full hadith in my first post. It has the answer. Didn’t you see that?
        2. The gist of the reference here seems to be that a wild-looking dog, or one known to be dangerous, has the greatest potential for distracting attention. The black dog is a devil (evil jinn) either literally, i.e. a favored form for a devil to take among animals, or figuratively with respect to its negative aspects whatever these may be; and Allah knows best. Pls don’t ask me to prove scientifically that Jinns exist.
        Closing of eyes during prayers is considered ‘makrooh’ (disliked). Though it is permissible if there are distractions.
        ” Muslims want to rule the world. Did I say this? “…..Why are you bringing unnecessary statements into our discussion?
        The true message is slightly different. Rape is completely prohibited in Islam to the extent of capital punishment (be it on a slave). Manumission of slaves was made a righteous act. Encouraged good treatment to slaves and to consider them as brothers….What’s wrong in the above? I will discuss the issue of slavery in detail in a later post, Insha Allah. Let’s keep it on hold for now.

        Brother Arya, my purpose here is not to win arguments, but to learn. And, I do welcome constructive criticism, not meaningless association logic. You can see that I have appreciated brother Vik in one of his comments on animal killing.

        I do not wish to hurt anyone here, and if I hav done so unintentionally, pls accept my apologies.
        FYI..My ancestors were Adam (as) and Eve and they were Muslims.

      • @truthseeker

        good point brother, but again its not well. Even if I say u use prayer mats, the big difference between prayer mats and idols is that idolators constantly bow down to the same idol that is mostly fixed. For example, ignorant hindus do not move their idols each day and bow down before it, they leave it in one place, and same goes for muslims they leave the kaaba in one place. However, I have seen muslims remove the prayer mat after each namaaz, and they even change them from time to time. So, u can see here that ur logic doesnt work.

        Hypothetically, brother, even if I agree with u, then tell me one thing, are ignorant hindus, buddhists, jains idolators according to u????

        pls answer my question?

        thanks alot for appreciating me, u are one of the best muslims to whom I spoke to, otherwise many of them cant talk with out being abusive and profane, so I thank u for that.

        brother, as far as jins go, these are all illusions of our mind. U have no idea how powerful our mind is, infact our brain is the most powerful part of our body, it alone can do many things without the help of our other body parts

      • @truthseeker
        Brother, in first point you wrote-
        “Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: “A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.”
        {Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 1034}

        But even these Ahadith never mean that these things annul the prayers, it only means that they can divert ones attention, they disrupt the prayers.”

        I ask you what does “disrupt” mean? Is not it cut off? And about first hadith from Bukhari, which you gave, you told that Aisha made it clear that Muhammad did not say this. But we see the same in Sahih Muslim, told by Muhammad.

        I request you to make it clear first what you believe. Do you think that black dog, ass, pig, jew, and women disrupt the prayers? If yes, then I have given you the counter logic in one of my replies above. If no, it goes against Sahih Muslim.

        Regarding ruling the world, I meant concept of Darul Islam and Darul Harb, which ignite Muslims to be greater in numbers everywhere and then establish Nizam e Mustafa like we saw in Spain, most of the Europe, Indian sub continent etc in past and in Kashmir recently where 5 Lakh Kashmiri hindus were compelled to flee from Valley.

        You would have known the story of Rehana, who was a wife of one of the Banu Qureza’s man. Her husband was beheaded along with 900 other men by Muslims and then was offered marriage proposal from Muhammad. She refused to do so. Muhammad then forcefully took her away opposite to her will and did sex the same night she was abducted. Is this not rape brother? She remained Muhammad’s sex slave till her death.

        Regarding ancestors, I meant your Vedic ancestry. Because, before your forefathers converted to Islam, they would certainly believe themselves as the descendant of Ram and Krishna and not of Adam and Eve. And if Adam and Eve were Muslims, even without believing in Muhammad and Quran, why cant I be a Muslim without believing in Muhammad and Quran? Can you tell me, when Allah prohibits the sexual relationships between brother and sister, how did the next generation of Adam and Eve come into existence?

        Anyway, I agree with brother Vik that you are among very few Muslim brothers who maintain decency in their language. I too admit that if you got hurt by any of my comments, it was not something which I wanted.

        May Eeshvar show us right path.

      • @truthseeker

        Brother, cabn you explain as to why do muslims circumambulate the kaaba seven times as a ritual and also y do they kiss that black stone?

      • In this part, I will be focusing on three events that define the nature of Islam’s foundations. At this stage, the Jews were becoming increasingly dissatisfied and angered at the deeds of the Muslims. The Jewish Tribes were hard working trades people, whose purpose in life was to earn a living through honest means and hard effort. They were perfectly content with the religion of their forefathers and had never anticipated that the man to whom they had given shelter so graciously, would turn into the power crazed monster who was now turning around to attack them. Mohammad was in the position to carry out his hidden ambitions, which became clear soon enough.

        With the utmost disregard for all human morality, ethics, or respect for human life, the Prophet of Islam systematically targeted and slaughtered the very Jews of Medinah who had helped him when everyone else in Arabia was kicking him like a dog. He was motivated by these primary reasons:

        1.His fanatic greed for all the wealth that had been created by the blood, sweat and toil of the Jews.
        2.His maniacal craving for power at any cost. The Jews were the biggest obstacle in his plan to subjugate all of Medinah, so they had to be removed, by any means possible.
        3.His fear of all other religions. Mohammad was a delusional Megalomaniac, meaning he believed that he was the Supreme Ruler of the world. Anything that threatened this sick fantasy of his, had to be exterminated. Since, the religion of the Jews rejected his pathetic claims to Divine rule, they were the targeted victims in Medinah, just as the Polytheistic Arabs had been his victims in Mecca.

        The incidents narrated below demonstrate the horrific depth of Mohammad’s atrocities. Keep in mind that Mohammad is the Model of Good Islamic behaviour and you will realise how Islam advocates genocide in the name of religion.

        8) Murder of a Jewish Elder from Khaybar
        Date: Late April 626 A.D.
        Place: The Jewish Oasis of Khyber
        Victims: Abu Rafi

        The Muslims who had murdered Kaab Ibn Al Ashraf the famous poet of the Banu-N-Nair (See earlier) were considered as heroes by Mohammad and his followers. Murderers were considered as ideal Muslims. A group of Muslims from the Khazraj Tribe decided to prove their loyalty to their Prophet by killing off a respectable member of the Jewish Community. Abu Rafi was an elderly man who had never done anything against Mohammad or the Muslims. He just happened to be the unfortunate target of Mohammad’s plot to terrorize the Jews. The Prophet wanted to send out a message to the Jews, which spelt out clearly that Mohammad was in control of their lives. The “expedition” to kill the poor old helpless man had the specific blessings of the “Merciful” Prophet. About Six of them broke into the Old man’s house in the middle of the night and slashed him to ribbons as he slept. The cowardly Muslims always assassinated people in this way, while the victim slept, obviously because they had neither the courage nor the strength to fight even a solitary, aged Jewish Man while he was awake. After their crime, the Muslims fled back home into the arms of their expectant Prophet. There was a fight among them as to who had actually killed Abu Rafi. At this, the Prophet smiled beatifically and started checking their swords. Finally, it was decided that the person who owned the sword which still had traces of food in it, was the winner. Apparently Abu Rafi had just finished his dinner before falling asleep and the sword had slashed through his stomach spilling its contents. Indeed how Benevolent was the Apostle of Peace!

        9) Massacre, Rape and Plunder of Banu-L-Mustaliq
        Date: December 626 A.D.
        Place: The well of Muraysi near Red Sea
        Victims: The Tribe of Banu-L-Mustaliq

        Mohammad attacked the Banu-L-Mustaliq because of their wealth. In a surprise raid, the Muslims drove them to the Sea. They slaughtered many members of the Banu-N-Mustaliq Tribe and looted away a booty of 2000 Camels, 5000 Sheep and 500 Women! 500 women were captured screaming and crying after they had watched their husbands and sons being slaughtered. The most beautiful captive was Juwayriyya, daughter of the chief of the Banu-L-Mustaliq. Mohammad snatched her to satisfy his own animal lust. The captured women were supposed to be returned by the Muslims upon payment of a ransom. But the night after the battle itself, Mohammad and his army raped each and every one of them. One of the men Abu Sa’id Khudri of Mohammad’s army reported :

        “We were lusting after women and chastity had become too hard for us, but we wanted to get the ransom money for our prisoners. So we wanted to use the “Azl” (Coitus Interruptus- where the man withdraws before ejaculating)…We asked the Prophet about it and he said:
        “You are not under any obligation to stop yourselves from doing it like that..” Later on the women and children were given for ransom to their envoys. They all went away to their country and not One wanted to stay although they had the choice..”

        So the Great Prophet of Peace told his men it was perfectly FINE to rape women as long as you didn’t ejaculate inside them (which made them pregnant). What supreme logic! Any human being with the slightest shred of morality has to be nauseated by this Man and the religion he preached. Mohammad, the supreme religious figurehead of Islam sanctions RAPE, pure and simple. Not only did the Muslims commit this horrifying crime, they decieved the Tribesmen into paying Ransom for their womenfolk, who only paid the money in a desperate attempt to save their women’s honor. To call such a Prophet and his followers the epitome of Evil is probably an understatement.

        10) Massacre of the Banu-Qurayza
        Date: April-May 627 A.D.
        Place: Medinah
        Victims: The Last Jewish Tribe left in Medinah The Banu-Qurayza.

        By this time, Mohammad had murdered or driven out all of the Jewish Tribes of Medinah, except the Banu Qurayza. It was time to eliminate this last thorn in his flesh. The Banu Qurayza had been reluctant in helping Mohammad against the Quraysh. Conveniently once again, Mohammad claimed that he had divine knowledge about a conspiracy by the Banu-Qurayza to kill him. He beseiged their fortress for Twenty-Five days. When the starving Tribe surrendered, Mohammad forced an old man from their own Tribe to pronounce Mohammad’s sentence. The sentence was death to every male member of the Tribe, Slavery for every woman and child and Plunder of all their property.

        The Prophet had an immense trench dug around the main market of Medinah. The men of the Banu Qurayza were rounded up & their hands twisted tightly behind them. Then one by one, they were shoved to the edge of the trench and forced to kneel. They were offered a last chance to convert to “The True Faith” and if they refused, had their heads chopped off by Ali the cruel executioneer. As soon as one head would roll off, the corpse would be kicked into the ditch, and so it went. By the time Dawn had colored the sky red in Medinah, hundreds of corpses piled up in a heap in a tangled cesspool of blood, hair and shreds of flesh. Despite the horrific end in front of their eyes, none of the Jews chose to convert to Islam and faced death valiantly. The blood of 900 innocent Jews stained Mohammad’s hands on that black day.

        Their only crime was that they chose to retain their fundamental human right, of choosing their own God and the religion of their ancestors. Hysterical women & children screamed as they watched their fathers, husbands & sons die. The majority of them were raped savagely and then bundled off to be sold as “used goods”. The Prophet had the husband of the Jewess Raihana Bint Amr hacked to pieces before her very eyes, hours after he had murdered her father. No doubt this was the Prophet’s perverted version of a wedding present, because after these atrocities he raped the mortified girl and tried to force her to convert to Islam. Muslim historians still describe the savage rape of Raihana Bint Amr as her “willing submission to Islam and wifehood to the Prophet”.

        Apparently according to them it is very natural to imagine that a woman who has just seen her husband, father, brothers and Tribe slaughtered violently before her very eyes, would CHOOSE to convert to the religion of the murderer and marry him! In actual fact Raihana REFUSED to convert to Islam and also refused to marry Mohammad the murderer of her family. He kept her as a lowly concubine all his life. So much for the “Apostle of Peace” and his unbounded RESPECT for women. Mohammad was nothing but a serial rapist, who acquired his victims by killing their families first.

        Allah as usual has provided yet another timeless Divine revelation which gives his Prophet the Right to rape and torture women of other religions.

        [an-Nisa’ 4:24]
        “And all married women are forbidden unto
        you EXCEPT those captives whom your right
        hand possesses. It is a decree of Allah for
        you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those
        mentioned, so that you seek them with your
        wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery…”

        In short Allah the All Merciful is saying “Hey Muslims, it’s a crime to go after married women, but IF they happen to be your captives (which obviously all the non-Muslim women were) feel free to indulge yourself in rape and sexual torture of them. “lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned” Allah is making it LEGAL for Muslims to go ahead and rape Non-Muslim women by Divine Law!

        One shudders to imagine what kind of minds invented such utterly sadistic and disgusting ideas.

        Mohammad justified all his crimes against the Jews with more of Allah’s revelations. Although the following Surahs were not revealed at the same time as the Massacre of Banu Quraizyah, they nevertheless give a general idea of the Prophet’s views on Jews and why it is perfectly fine to kill, loot and rape them.

        [al-Ma’idah 5:51]
        O you who believe! Take not the Jews and
        Christians for friends. They are friends one
        to another. He among you who taketh them
        for friends is one of them. Lo allah guideth
        not wrongdoing folk.

        [al-Ma’idah 5:64]
        The Jews say: “Allah’s hand is fettered.”
        It is THEIR hands that are fettered and
        they are ACCURSED for saying so. Nay,
        but both his (Allah’s) hands are spread in
        bounty. He bestoweth as he will. That which
        hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord
        is certain to increase the contumacy and belief
        of many of them, And We have cast among them
        (The Jews) Enmity and Hatred till the day of
        Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for
        war, Allah extinguishes it!

        The above verses clearly demonstrate the Muslim’s hatred of Jews as prescribed by their Prophet. They also expose the hollow claims of Muslims, about Islam being a peaceful religion that always co-existed with Judaism and Christanity. These historical events form the basis of the Islamic code of behaviour.

      • Muhammad: A Rapist
        Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women captured in raids. However, after capturing the women, Muslims faced a dilemma. They wanted to have sex with them but also wanted to return them for ransom and therefore did not want to make them pregnant. Some of these women were already married. Their husbands had managed to escape when taken by surprise and were still alive. The raiders considered the possibility of coitus interruptus (withdrawing from intercourse prior to ejaculation). Unsure of the best course of action, they went to Muhammad for counsel. Bukhari reports:

        Abu Saeed said: “We went out with Allâh’s Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, ‘How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allâh’s Apostle who is present among us?” We asked (him) about it and he said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.” [1]

        Notice that Muhammad does not forbid raping women captured in war. Instead, he indicates that when Allâh intends to create anything, nothing can prevent it. In other words, not even the absence of semen can prevent it. So Muhammad is telling his men that coitus interruptus would be futile and ill-advised because it would be an attempt to thwart the irresistible will of Allâh. Muhammad does not say a word against the forced insemination of these captive females. In fact, by criticizing coitus interruptus, in effect he supported forced insemination.

        In the Qur’an, Muhammad’s god made it legal to have intercourse with slave women, the so-called “right hand possessions,” even if they were married before their capture.[2]

        Juwairiya:

        Ibn Aun has narrated: “I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn ‘Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn ‘Umar was in that army.” Bukhari 3.46.717 (see also Muslim 019. 4292)

        Muhammad sent one of his companions; Bareeda bin Haseeb, to spy on the Bani al-Mustaliq and after assessing the situation he ordered his men to attack. Muslims came out of Madina on 2nd Shaban of 5 A.H. and encamped at Muraisa, a place at a distance of 9 marches from Medina.

        Juwairiya was one of the captives during the raid of Banu Mustaliq. When all the prisoners were made slaves and distributed among the victorious Muslim soldiers, Juwairiyah fell to the lot of Thabit bin Qais. She was the daughter of Haris, the leader of the clan.

        The Islamic site muslims.ws writes: “She was the daughter of the leader of the clan, and therefore, very much felt the discomfiture and disgrace of being made slave of an ordinary Muslim soldier. Therefore, she requested him to release her on payment of ransom. Thabit agreed to this, if she could pay him 9 Auqias of gold. Hazrat Juwairiyah had no ready money with her. She tried to raise this amount through contributions, and approached the Holy Prophet also in this connection. She said to him “0’ Prophet of Allah! I am the daughter of Al Haris bin Zarar, the Lord (chief) of his people. You know that it is by chance that our people have fallen captive and I have fallen to the share of Thabit bin Qais and have requested him to release me considering my status, but he has refused. Please do an act of kindness and save me from humiliation”. The Holy Prophet was moved and asked the captive woman if she would like a thing still better. She asked as to what was that thing. He said that he was ready to pay her ransom and marry her if she liked. She agreed to this proposal. So the Holy Prophet paid the amount of ransom and married her.”

        First he raids a population without warning because they were easy targets and wealthy. As usual he kills the unarmed able-bodied men, plunders their belongings, then enslaves the rest. The narrator says, “According to the prevailing practice all the prisoners were made slaves and distributed among the victorious Muslim soldiers.” Prevailing practice? Didn’t Muhammad come to show people the right way? Why should he follow the evil prevailing practices of a people whom he called ignorant? By doing so, he set the example and those evil practices became standard practices of the Muslims for ever.

        The narrator says that upon seeing Juwairiyah the Prophet was “moved”. Methinks that movement must have happened in his male organ because his heart seems to have remained cold and unmoved. Although Muslims call this marriage, I call it rape.

        Safiyah

        Safiyah was a beautiful 17 years old Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops raided Kheibar. She was the daughter or Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe of Medina , whom Muhammad had beheaded two years earlier along with the men of Banu Quriaza. The tribe of Banu Nadir had been already banished from Medina and their properties were confiscated.

        Safiyah had married to her cousin Kinana, who was a young Jewish leader of Kheibar. When Muhammad raided that fortress, he killed its unarmed men and captured the rest. A Jewish traitor, (reminds me of Noam Chomsky) to gain Muhammad’s favor and be spared from death, told him that Kinana was the treasurer of the town and that he used to hide the money in some ruins. Muhammad ordered Kinana to be tortured to reveal the whereabouts of the treasures and killed him.

        Then he asked the prettiest woman from amongst that captives to be brought to him. Ibn Ishaq writes: “The apostle occupied the Jewish forts one after the other, taking prisoners as he went. Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana, the Khaibar chief, and two female cousins: [sisters of Kinana] the apostle chose Safiya for himself. The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims. Bilal brought Safiya to the apostle, and they passed the bodies of several Jews on the way. Safiya’s female companions lamented and strewed dust on their heads. When the apostle of Allâh observed this scene, he said, ‘Remove these she devils from me.’ But he ordered Safiya to remain, and threw his reda [cloak] over her. So the Muslims knew he had reserved her for his own. The apostle reprimanded Bilal, saying, ‘Hast thou lost all feelings of mercy, to make women pass by the corpses of their husbands?’”

        Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: “I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account”. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)

        The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night. Muslims call this marriage. I call that rape. I am certain not many young women would like to jump into bed with an old man who happens to be the murderer of their father and husband and many other relatives. That poor woman had no choice; therefore that marriage was nothing but a mockery of this sacred institution. At that time Muhammad was close to sixty years old.

        Rayhanah

        Another victim of Muhammad was Rayhana, a 15 year old girl from the tribe of Banu Quraiza. Muhammad massacred all the men of that tribe. Then women were brought to him to pick and he chose Rayhana. Rayhana never married Muhammad and unlike Juwairiyah and Safiyah never feigned being a Muslim to have an easier life. She preferred to remain a sex slave rather the wife of the murderer of her father, brothers and uncles. .

        ——————————————————————————–

        [1] Bukhari, Volume 5, Book59, Number 459. Many other canonical hadiths recount how Muhammad approved intercourse with slave women, but said coitus interruptus was unnecessary because if Allâh willed someone to be born, that soul would be born regardless of coitus interruptus. See the following:

        Bukhari 3.34.432: “Narrated Abu Saeed Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allâh’s Apostle he said, “O Allâh’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allâh has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”

        Sahih Muslim is another source considered factual and accurate by virtually all Muslims. Here is Sahih Muslim 8.3381: “Allâh’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about ‘azl, (coitus interruptus) whereupon he said: The child does not come from all the liquid (semen) and when Allâh intends to create anything nothing can prevent it (from coming into existence).”

        Muslims also consider Abu Dawood highly accurate and factual. Here is Abu Dawood, 29.29.32.100: “Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, ‘Tell them.’ She was embarrassed. He said, ‘It is alright, and I do it myself.’ Malik said, ‘A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission. There is no harm in practicing coitus interruptus with a slave-girl without her permission. Someone who has someone else’s slave-girl as a wife does not practice coitus interruptus with her unless her people give him permission.’”

        See also Bukhari 3.46.718, 5.59.459, 7.62.135, 7.62.136, 7.62.137, 8.77.600, 9.93.506 Sahih Muslim 8.3383, 8.3388, 8.3376, 8.3377, and several more.

        [2] Qur’an, 4:24: “Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allâh ordained (Prohibitions) against you.”
        Qur’an, 33:50): “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allâh has assigned to thee.”
        Qur’an, 4:3: “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.”

      • @Anubha Gaur….

        dear first lie is that Muhhamad has been mentioned in Veda… Zakir is making fool of people by wrong translations of Suktas in Veda… there are several videos posted on youtube by Hindu scholars, pandits, brahmans… go and search them and you will find your answer.

        2nd: Zakir says only the follower of Islam will go to heaven…. then why you are worried… and what is the problem….. keep following Isam.. because we Hindu wont meet you after death at all… LOL

        check the videos babe… and dnt cry for Zakir.. may allah forgive Zakir for spreading hatred in mankind… he is a super idiot who fools poor muslims by his english comm skills… LOL

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MU33qvstwI

  12. Dear brother! The confusion comes because life is short and each sect claims to be the right sect. Just consider that Barelvis gave fatwa against Zakir Naik and Qadiyanis curse him to first person to go to Hell. Some believe that non-Muslims will also enter Heaven. others claim that only those who do not question Quran in any manner and blindly follow it alone will achieve Heaven.

    I would rather not scare anyone with fear of Hell or lure them with dreams of Heaven. May everyone introspect and follow their own conscience. May we enter into dialogues to discuss truth and help each other. But may we be tolerant of each other and love each other as members of same family. I would rather forsake my own Heaven for my family members. let this be the spirit. Bulk of Muslims I meet show this tolerance and openness but few zealots spread hatred. I am not sure I will never have dialogue with Zakir Bhai, because he chooses his opponents very tactfully. But in process, if we can get together tolerant people who put humanity first, the job is done. I am sure you are with me on this mission.

    • as far as your name is concern it seems you belong to Hinduism there for i believe you don't know much about Islam. All sects believe the in Quran and 6 books of Hadith. There are differences in terms of understanding. As a muslim, one has to only follow those teachings . If a muslin wants to go to heaven and wants Allah to be happy with him/her, He/She only needs to follow simple steps and that's it and that's what every sect(excluding Ahmadiya kafir) say that
      Believe in the oneness of Allah and his glorious book Quran
      Offering Prayer 5 times a day
      Believe in all prophets
      Believe Muhammad(SAW) to be the final messenger of Allah
      Give Zakat (if a person is rich enough) some conditions apply you can easily find those conditions in any means in any islamic website .
      Perform Hajj (only mendtory when a person can afford to go there )

      If a person only follow these steps of Islam, he can surely get Allah's happiness.
      no where in a hadith or in a verse is Quran written that in order to go to Janna you need to barelve, shia, Wahabi or etc. All sects (excluding qadiyani kafir) believe in these steps. i would guarantee you on muslim will disagree with my steps.

      As far As Hadith's are concern, there are difference of opinions but there are hundreds and thousand s of Hadith's where all sects do agree. Just follow those and thats it. A normal muslim has nothing to do extra.

      I am a great admirer of Dr Zakir Naik. He has even talked to those doctors and biologists who thought that there were scientific errors in Quran. He has given them big shut up. even Sri ravi shankar could not talk much in front of him. The book ravi wrote common things in Islam and hinduism i may be giving wrong name Ravi himself has asked people in public not to buy that book because it contains lot off errors. But Dr Zakir Naik has never ever published a book where he had to ask people not to buy that book after its published and being sold in the market.

      If you want we can continue with this debate no problem

      • @Waqas

        Respected Brother, sure, lets continue this debate, its really a good idea to help u find out the truth about GOD. As far as ravi shankar goes, if ravi shankar wanted, he could have shut zakir up, but ravi shankar is a peacfull person. If he had disagreed with Zakir, then it would have led to riots and fights within the stadium! As u can rmeember people were already angry with Shankar for making a book full of errors but with good intentions to unite hindus muslims. On contrary, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is not a Vedic scholar, he is more known for yoga and philosophical advices. There are many people in the world who claim to be Vedic experts, but the true Vedic experts are Arya Samajis who are known to dedicate their lives to Vedas. That is why unforturnetly all the Vedic translations u see out there are written by western scholars who have misinterpreted all verses. So people like zakir or others read those and come attack hindus telling them about errors and contradictions and Now another lie, of prophet mohammad being prophecised in them. Zakir Naik has never debated anyone from arya samaj or anyone with strong Vedic background so that is why he is freely saying what he wants.

      • @Waqas

        Respected Brother, if we want to preach the truth and we are already convinced that only the Vedas are the ultimate truth. On request, I can give a good talk on comparisons of the Quran and Vedas, so u can decide for urself and se which one is more authentic. We challanged Zakir many times for a debate, but he refused. Our brothers even arranged a large crowd, but still no reply from zakir. But our first intention is to educate every hindu and non hindu about the Vedas, because sadly even hindus today do not know the great treasure hidden in Vedas, so that is why they easily fall under the traps of cults like zakir naik. Once every hindu is educated on Vedas, no zakir naik lecture or speech will have affect and all of us can easily shut him up. As u can see, Zakir Naik has been rebuted on this site in all his false misinterpretations of Vedic verses. SO, ever since, Zakir has not had a debate with a real Vedic scholar, otherwise his lies would have been exposed in public.

      • @Waqas

        Respected Brother,

        Zakir Naik is a fraud, bigtime fanatic, he plagiarized everything from a pakistani ahmedi muslim named Dr. Haq. Go read Dr Haq's book(which is also wrong based on Vedic misinterpretations) and zakir's arguments are identical. He is not only misleading hindus, but also muslims. Some muslims even issued a fatwa against him. Brother, I can show u proofs that we challenged zakir naik for debates, but he refused. Eventually, in the future we will go to media or better, debate zakir naik, but the truth is he is wrong and only wrong about Vedas

      • @ vik
        Respected Bro i am sorry to say but you have nothin further left to say. by saying fraud, big time fanatic and other words i am not going to get convinced. By saying this you yourself can only feel happy about it for some time. I know that i even told u that i ve seen muslims in india and pakistan protesting against him but not any hindu. There are more than i belive 60 to 70 crores hindus in India in those 60 to 70 crore people you don't even have 60 to 70 people who can challenge zakir naik about his wrong beliefs of Vedas. its been 4 to 5 years or may be more since he is saying things about Vedas You dont even have a ONE person or one arya samaj in 60 to 70 crore people who has a dare to challenge Dr Zakir naik on media . then i believe hindus should start believing what Dr Zakir Says about Hinduism. I think VIK we have nothing left to continue on this debate. i would be looking forward to that day when some Hindu scholar or an arya samaj would challenge dr Zakir Naik about this Issue .
        It was a nice talking to you , i believe until unless it proves that Dr zakir naik saying wrong about Hinduism you should remove this page now.
        If you want to continue this debate or you want to keep on saying bad things about Zakir you can do that too but it would only show your religious weaknesses or your arya samaj's weaknesses.
        Take care Bro May Allah bring you on a right Path
        Allah hafiz

      • 1. Ravi Shankar did not come for debate in first place. he was assuming that the event was about exploring commonalities between Islam and Hinduism. Let us not discuss Ravi Shankar here. Let us discuss facts.

        2. Zakir Naik has been officially challenged for debate on several occasions. Kindly refer the posts and search on google as well. Even the text of conversation with IRF is provided.

        3. TV is not enough. Do not worry, soon every person on street would be capable of tackling frauds like Zakir Naik and Osama Bin Laden. The goal of this site is to work towards that.

        4. We do suffer with a sickular mindset that plagues India and forces its leaders to do minority appeasement. And that is why we suffer from a pro-minority media. But truth alone wins.

        5. Zakir has access to terrorism funds, and falsehood demands wide media glitz. Truth however is unbeatable. Instead of guiding us on how we should do marketing, let us debate the facts. By your logic, theory of relativity should also be false because it is not broadcasted in media and lakhs do not flock to attend lectures of physicists!

        But of course frauds like Zakir can counter truth only by fraud marketing, and not by debates.

      • @ vik

        Ok since you could not defend at all for the comments you said about Dr Zakir Naik you have started disrespecting Quran and since if you see our previous comments our debate topic was different any how since you have brought Quran in our debate becoz you dont have anything else to say i am ready to talk about that too. Preaching a religion is not a bad thing over here you are criticizing Quran and saying Vedas are the books of God. you are preaching here too. When Gandhi’s own son accepted Islam why his mother forced him to join his previous religion and when he did every one appreciated because you guys thought that he was back on the right path. We do the same thing too. We preach Islam we dont force people to accept Islam. Muslims have ruled India for more than 300 years and ruled Spain for 800 years if we might have forced people to accept Islam we could that but we did not. Even at that there were more Hindu’s then Muslims and still there are more Hindu’s then Muslims. Coming to your second point about Killing animals. Allah has created animals for Human beings some are for eat , some for travel purposes and so on . If Slaughtering animal is bad then killing plants is bad too. Brother ask any botanists any, even ask any Hindu botanists or search it on the internet, even plants take breath, discharge gases, they eat, they grow, so killing them should be prohibited too. what would you all eat then. Your one cast Brahman only does not eat meat, all three other sects of Hinduism do eat meat. you even Hindus are not sure what to do at least We all muslims agree on what to eat and what not.

      • @Waqas

        brother, Waqas, dont judge religions by the actions of people. Here, we look at quran, not muslims, and we look at Vedas, not hindus. I hope I made myself clear. Now, many hindus do not live by the Vedas 100%. So, today hinduism is the distorted form of the Vedic Dharma due to the influence of muslims, christians, buddishts,etc. The reality is, moghals who were bad retarded fanatics such aurengazib tried there best to convert hindus to islam, but our rajput brothers fought back and sent moghals packing. That is why rajputs are known as the bravest indians, and we mashed ur moghal empire like mashed potatoes. ON the other hand, some moghals were nice and inspired brotherhood amongst hindus and muslims. As far as plants go, Waqas, Vedas prohibit us to kill animals and humans since these are the only species that have souls. Plants and bacteria, virus, etc, do not have any souls that makes them feel, “i am this bacteria”, or “i am this plant”. The reason many scientists classify them as living is because they have energy exchange cycles taking place inside them. They exert ethylene and other chemicals to expand or contract. So, due to their actions, the sensors see them reacting to this stimulus. Why dont u read books on plants and their life, and biology. So tell me, what other reason u can tell me to justify ur meat eating habits?

      • @ vik
        Do not give me this stupid logic since plant cant feel so you can kill then. there are some plants who eats flies too. That means you can kill any human being who cant feel the pain and would that be ok?? Stupid logic . We do not eat every animal we eat which we are allowed to eat. Lion, tiger cant eat grass at all they dont have a stomach to digest grass at all. They can only eat meat and thats how their teeth are designed, they dont have even a single straight teeth. Cows, goats etc can only eat grass and plant, they cant digest meat at all and thats why their teeth are straight and they dont have any teeth like lion and that is a proven. If god does not want us to eat meat he could ve given us a stomach which cant digest meat at all but he also gives us both types of teeth too.
        Rajputs mashed mughals like patatoes hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
        Brother go through with your history again i know you are ashamed of your elders but thats the reality. Mughals ruled you and then british ruled us and now for last 60 years you are ruling yourself only dont worry inshah Allah Muslims will rule India again if not us then China would definitely rule you guys.

      • @Waqas,

        well many vegetables we eat, we pluck without killing the plant. For example, if we eat apples, we dont kill the tree.

        Tell me one thing, our system is designed to digest human flesh, does it mean we start eating humans tooo?

        Listen many history books have been changed or adulterated so no one know the truth. But its a fact that we rajputs killed many moghals and their solders and they killed a few quantity of us tooo. Im not being biased here. All hindus and later on sikhs (ex hindus) battled moghals till their end.

        Waqas u said ” worry inshah Allah Muslims will rule India again if not us then China would definitely rule you guys”

        By saying this, u have shown me how low of a character u are, after all a follower of the quran, so ur bound to be a fanatic. We hindus dont even think of conquering anyones land and u muslims lay ur lustfull unethical eyes on our lands. Guess what, even if u or anyone else, especially u, we will cut u slaughter u in same fashion as ur halal meat, and transport ur flesh to saudi arabia where it will be donated to charity. And have u forgotten, the wars of 1971 and 1999 where indians kicked pakistans ass so bad that they were sent back to pakistan crying. Go look at ur history. If we hindus want, we can take over ur pakistan, but we are not lustful as u guys. We have standards. We would have done so, in 1999 kargil, but ur musharaf saw ur ass being kicked so bad that he got scared so he called u back home. As far as china is concerned, they are no threat to us, all chinese weapons operate on Russian software and Russia is our friend, so chinese wont have any impact on us.

      • @VIK
        again stupid logic, i asked you to consult with Botanist , plants does feel pain too. By plucking vegetables, don’t you think they don’t feel pain. You are giving the example, if we cut the hands of man eat them, its ok because we did not kill the human being. LOL do not give me these stupid logic’s, coming back to in religious view thanks God you do believe in Mahabhartya here i tell you .
        Manusmriti Chapter 5 verse 30
        “IF you eat that is meant for eating, you are not doing a sin because God has created some to eat and some to be eaten”. Verse 31 If you kill the animal in sacrifice, you are not doing a sin because God has created some animals for sacrifice”
        Take another proof
        Mahabharata Anushasna Purva Chapter 88
        Yudishter elder brother of Pandav , He asked Bhishma ” What theme should we give in Pooja so that our ancestors will be satisfied” Bhishama replied If you give Hubs and shrubs the ancestors will be satisfied for one month, if you give fish for two months, if you give mutton for three months, if you give HARE four months, if you give the meat of got five months, if you give beacon for six months, if you give birds for seven months , if you give dear for 8 months and so on and bhishma also said if you give buffalo for 11 months, if you give beef one full year and if you give meat of red goat the ancestors will be satisfied for life.””

        Thats what is a proof of your own books stating killing animal.
        and further more i asked to you to watch the debate of Dr Zakir with your president of veg society rahmibhai Zaveri, but i think you have not watched it yet here take another proof how Dr Zakir humiliated rashmibhai zaveri http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrGLUvjMjnY

        Lol rajputs killed many mughals and still mughals ruled india for more than 300 years what a joke?? if history has been changed how you are sure rajputs killed many mughals, don’t tell me you were alive in that time too?LOL and you are the eyewitness of that. Let be unbiased forget what we write about our history and what you write about your history check out the history by white people even they say that Mughals ruled whole india for more than 300 years and when british came to rule hindu’s supported them too and their major enemies were mughals. you hindu’s dont think of conquering any one land’s what about kasmir then, Un resolution passed in 1984 about the referendum of Kahmiries about their future under the supervsion of UN why india is not foloowing that ?? what about Tibet and nepal and bangladesh, in 1971 we were going through the tough phase of our internal matters? why did you send your more than 100, 000 army men to bangladesh and made it separated. Why india influencing in Baluchistan?? i know you will not commit these things and your army chief said by yourself we are in a position to fight with China and India Both. We never challenged you for War. but even then I TAKE MY WORDS BACK i am not against Indian people, i know they are nice. when lot off indian came here for Pak india match our taxi drivers didnt even charge single cent from them. Some hotels accommodated them absolutely free and i know indian people has done the same thing too. Some indian doctors operated some of our heart patient child free of cost but when indian came to Pakistan all went home safely. No one even got a scratch from here . But why our 60 people burnt in a train??????
        The Inspector who was inquiring about that Kurkure was killed in mumbai attacks

      • @Waqas,

        it doesnt matter whom mohmmad prescribed camel urine to, the question is why would he prescribe camel urine in the first place to anyone? Was he a doctor? Did he see some medical benefit in camel urine?

        Waqas, u enjoy mouthing about logic, but ur the one who is always illogiccal. U say plucking a fruit from the tree and eating it without killing the tree, is like cutting off a man’s hand and eating it. Waqas, when will u grow up, ur applications of logic here are so childish. There is a huge difference between a mans hands cut off and a fruit plucked. The difference is a man’s hand will never grow back on, whereas a fruit will. Yes, we can say, eating fruits off of a tree, its like cutting hair of nails, off of a human which doesnt hurt. Well, when i get a haircut or nailcut, i dont feel pain, i dont know about u. But listen, plants or bacteria do not have souls, like animals and humans. Just because plants can sense according to u it doesnet mean they have souls. Even robots, and machines have senses and sensors, does it mean they have a soul? LOL

        Listen all these hindu scriptures u been quoting from are either adulterated and interpolated, so I cant trust any english translations. I only read the direct sanskrit translations. Manu Smriti, Puranas, Ramayan, MahaBharat, all have been changed. The only hindu scripture that has been unchanged are the Vedas (ironically the first and only revealed texts) and not even a single element is changed. And if u enjoy quoting proofs
        then heres proof from the same book manu smriti (original)

        Manusmrithi 5.51
        Anumantaa vishasitaa nihantaa krayavikrayee
        Samskartaa chopahartaa cha khadakashcheti ghaatakaah

        Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that
        meat and those who eat are all murderers.

        and heres Vedic proof:
        Breehimattam yavamattamatho maashamatho tilam
        Esha vaam bhaago nihito ratnadheyaaya dantau maa hinsishtam pitaram maataram cha
        Atharvaveda 6.140.2

        O teeth! You eat rice, you eat barley, you gram and you eat sesame. These cereals are specifically meant for you. Do not kill those who are capable of being fathers and mothers.

        So tell me Waqas, are apples and oranges capable of being parents, if i place a male apple with a female apple in a box (if there are genders lol), will they hatch millions of other apples. IF this were the case, every store would only buy 2 apples and all the farmers would have been laid off.

        The rest of ur quotes are all adulterated versions of ramayan, did u know there are 2 different versions on top of that, they are changed. I only trust Vedas to be the supreme. So avoid telling me about puranas, ramayana, manu smritt, etc. I respect those too but only in their real forms.

        As far as ur debate goes of ravi shankar and naik, to me, there was no clear winner and loser, i think they were tie, since they never had any arguments in vane. Nor, did mohammad naik the irf organizer announce the winner or loser. But some of the audience were stupid and #$%@ big time, especially the jackass they carry back the one in white hat and white clothes who was yelling at ravi shankar. Jackasses like him are the cause of riots and dont deserve to live.

        THe rashmi bhai debate, well, I have to blame rashmi bhai for that since he only relied on research ant not scientific facts. The problem is zakir is a doctor and he can fool anyone with his medical knowledge and no one verifies this. IF u saw closely one audience member challenged zakir naik to all his 20 points and zakir said come to irf and debate with my student.

        Every thing u mentioned about history, did happen to some extent. Moghals were keep expanding and we were keep killing them and they killed our men too. Big deal. U may know a jackass like moghal aurenghazib who was a complete p#$@y, tried to convert hindus to islam, but guess wot, he was defeated like a wretched dog.

        Hindus invadeed tibet? Hindus sent their army etc? What history books do u have to claim that. Hindus are not trying to conquer kashmir, but are protecting it from pakistani muslims like u. Kashmir wants to be a nation the way it is but pakistan wants to own it.

        As far as the samjhota express goes, where ur fellow pakistanis got killed, bleev me more than any pakistani or indian, its me who feels enraged and wants to avenge for them. I hate injustice no matter who does it whether pak on india or india on pak. I would want those people to get killed who were behind this samjota express more than anyone on this world. Its not that i liked those pakistanis its about humanity. Pakistanis are nice people too, i know that, but dont think we hindus have done this. But after the taj hotel attack, if we wanted we could have sent a few guys over in pakistan to attack a similar hotel, and kill innocent pakis in return, but we didnt. We chose to kill those terrorist instead. IF A has damaged B, in return B should damage A, not C, D, Or E. Get my point.

      • Talking of Kashmir, first u uproot the entire hindu population to make sure there is no one to support the Indian cause then you radicalize the youth in the name of “peaceful” islam to rebel against India, good ploy, u can think miles ahead, hats off to you guys. By the way Hemant Karkare was Maharashta Police’s Anti-Terrorism Squad chief. He was instrumental in decoding the Samjhauta Blast case by arresting Lt. Col Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya, and others and by the way, Karkare was a hindu. We hindus do not believe in radicalism and so, the investigations were fair and justice is being done. But alas, who kills Karkare, muslim radicals. Talking about Bangladesh, if have time go through Blood’s telegram, a US (then Pakistans trusted ally who sent the US Seventh Fleet to deter India) diplomat wrote about the attrocities of Pakistani army on innocent people especially nonmuslims (read hindus) imploring on his government to do something, and by the way Mr. Blood was a white man for your information. Why is India influencing the Baluchistan turmoil, well the answer is obvious: You meddle in my internal affairs and I do the same.

      • The muslims have been been a violent and barbaric lot and this needs no introduction. You said “dont worry inshah Allah Muslims will rule India again if not us then China would definitely rule you guys”. Your evil intentions are only too well known. Stop this masquerade of “peace”.

      • Well I don’t have much to say except one thing.I saw one youtube video of zakir naik speaking about mohammad in bhavishya purana and I have a copy of ‘Bhavishya purana’ and it clearly mentions Mohammd to be the representative of demon gods.

        This is kaliyuga and non vedic religion and beliefs flourish in this era.Most of the philosophies are polluted or product of mental speculation.Seeing this any xyz can start his own religion just only on the basis of arguments.You can befool less intelligent or less informed masses but you yourself get defeated when you are encountered by some other person having better argumentative skills than you.That’s one of the reason, hindusim streese upon self exploration of God through the process of yoga and metiation.

      • Ans 2 :
        Brother Vik,
        Islam is a religion of peace. you can not say its because of some verses which u r taking out of context. If thats the case then i think you have a whole book of bloodshed ramayan. It only talks about war and killing your own cousins and brothers. I have seen Hindu’s putting Cow’s pee on their heads disgusting aaaghhhhh. I have seen Hindu’s worshiping Snakes Lol how can an animal be a God. They cant even protect themselves. They are the biggest threats to human being. I have seen hindus’s worshiping kali maa the black lady with her tongue out LOL come on brother it all seems stupidity of hindu’s religion nothing else. Hindu’s go to Ganga river to pure themselves. and i ve read story about the water of Ganga stating the water is like poisonous now. If you talk about holy water which we never meant to pure our selves Aabe zam zam, take a sample of it check it with any laboratory any means any they would tell its much better and much pure than a mineral water.

      • @Waqas

        brother Waqas, looks like u enjoy mouthing without doing any research. There is no such thing as animal worship in Vedas. SHow me a single verse that says one must worship an animal, then i will agree with u. What hindus are doing is not worship. When u see them performing rituals on the snake, they are NOT worship the snake, they are Worshipping GOD to protect and prosper such animal who is sacred. Especially cows, cows are the most beneficial animal to us humans since it gives us milk yogurt, so in our prayers, we pray to the Almighty Paramathma (GOD) thanking IT for giving us such a lovely animal and pray to give us power in protecting these beautiful animals in nature. Now, every animals has its own story in religion behind its value. As far as cow piss goes, once again, show me where it is mentioned in Vedas that one must drink cow piss? I am a hindu too and I dont drink cow piss, I have no idea why these people do. And as a matter of fact, of drinking piss, I even heard prophet mohammad drank camel piss in the deserts of arabia and also prescribed it to other arabs for medical benefit, what do u have to say about that?
        Ramayan had bloodshed because it told us logic of self defense and annihilating evil. All these epics like Ramayana or Mahabharat consist of great souls like Sri Ram and Sri Krishna. Both of these epics sent out a message telling us that good always defeats evil, and one should always be on the side of goodness, and if ur own relatives are wrong or evil, its ur duty to oppose them in the favour of goodness.

      • @ vik
        You are saying things by yourself, to show you facts from Vedas. You tell me where is written in Quran or in Hadith about muhammad camel story. you are saying you heard that i could i say i heard when raavan kidnapped sita he raped her for years, or i ve heard etc . Vik i can say whatever i want to say but i am limiting my self. We started our debate with Dr Zakir, You could not defend it by your stupid comments, then you did not have anything to say, then you brought Quran in our debate, and now you could not defend that one you disrespected Muhammad even though knowing the fact that we can even give and take lives as far as only respect of Muhammad is concern. You should ve never added that line in your argument . Heard means heard and if i say heard i can start disrespecting your all lords too but then you would bullshit again against our prophets. If that dumb ass HIJRA could noty defend well about vedas in that argument thats not our fault. Who asked him to claim to memorize whole vedas at the age of 13.Your dumb ass ravi shankar who acclaims to be vedic too he said we do belive in these gods and he exampled it with floor that you can make different things with floor such a dumb ass idiot. i asked you to show me that video proof where your arya samaj defeated allies of Zakir show me LoL you just have words to say dont have proof. instead of wasting your time here ask your Arya samaj scholar to wear proper clothes and make a courage to debate Dr Zakir. the way rashmi bai zaveri was humiliated, the way Ravi Shankar was defeated we have the proof even whole world have the proof and thats the facts we are talking about. Go and watch that debate of Dr Zakir with rashmibai Zaveri about non veg food you would get your all answers and if you wont be able to understand then you better leave this debate.

        Being a neutral person judge it by yourself, you started debate about Zakir, then you started talking about Quran and then Muhammad now you would come to politics and so on.

      • @Waqas

        Waqas ur always demanding for proof, here it is. Prophet mohammad drank and prescribed camel piss. See, Narrated Abu Qilaba: “Anas said, “Some people of ‘Ukl or ‘Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.” Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu’), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)”

        As far a ravi shankar goes, show me a footage in the video, where ravi shankar said or admitted that he has memorized Vedas at the age of 13? I have heard Geeta at the age of 13 not Vedas. So show me. Ravi shankar knew the zakir is a fool so he decided not to beat or win him in a debate, o ya………..i have proof for this i can send u a video if u want proof upon request.

      • @VIK
        Why you are hindu’s take things out of context . I asked you to give me that proof where its written Muhammad camel story. in that hadith its prescribed , no where in Hadith its wriiten He drank. Thats what show you are unbiased when you analyze some thing. Why that dumb ass came to debate with a fool then ? LOL . after defeating badly from Dr Zakir he make as many as lame excuses as he wants but time has left now. The criteria Dr Zakir Naik gave about the oneness of God from Quran And Vedas that dumb ass ravi shankar accepted it totally let me tell you what i call a proof here is a link
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtPLgL0XyrY

      • @ VIk
        before giving any logic why don’t you think from your mind. Muhammad only prescribed that to those people only. He never prescribed it to sahaba’s or muslims.
        You are again giving a stupid logic of testing it on himself. If a doctor operates an heart what does that mean before operating others he operated his own heart. What a stupid logic. you have been giving stupid logics through out your comments but this kind of logic i ve never expected it from you.
        Yeah he came for that debate even though he was humiliated badly but he courage d to come for debate not like your Arya samaj Scholars. You tell me one thing clearly VIK if your arya samaj belives whatever he said about Vedas Was wrong why not the head of Arya Samaj challenge him?? If Dr Zakir naik does not come for a debate at least ask him for an official apology, He is been saying things like for last 4 years now. You dont even have a courage to ask him for an apology. What kind of Cowards they are. Jimmay Swagart Was one of the greatest Evangelist of USA in 80’s. He said something wrong about Quran in 1987 in 1988 Dr Ahmed Deedat challenged him to debate on that issue he refused because he said i dont have fully knowledge about Quran then Deedat challenged him to debate on the issue of “is the bible word of God ” He accepted that . Videos are available even on youtube check that how badly he was humiliated. Check out that debate comments in Wikipedia even white American journalists were saying Swaggart lost the battle. VIK for 14 years what are you waiting for. You do not even have guts to go on TV and at least ask for an apology. any thing you want me to refute????? He is a famous man now he cant have a debate with any tom dick and harry. Ask your head arya samaj to debate him. I know you guys wont. this thing will never happen and Peace TV would keep on showing videos and would keep shutting your mouth.

        Ok here to your answers .
        1 . If one of your army man or the man of your intelligence joins pakistan army or intelligence and if he goes back to india what would you to him according to your army law he would be court martialed called as a traitor and would be sentenced to death. Why, why would you do so? thats his life he can do whatever he want to do then you would say thats our army law so in that question i would say thats our Islamic Law.

        Ans 2. every middle to upper class family do hire people for thier home work. For cleanings, washing dishes etc that practice happens every where. Its the same here too.
        But there is a rule of having Sex with a slave, a slave permission is required to do so, if she gets pregnant and born a child, the child would have the whole right on his father . the father would give him/her share of his wealth, would treat his kid the way he treat his kids from his own wives.

        Now you did not answer my questions.

        You said arya samaj defeated allies of Zakir where is that video? if video is not available why did not you make that Video??

        If killing animal is a sin, then why bhisom ask Yudishter to killed so many animals ??

      • @Waqas

        Waqas, u said “You tell me one thing clearly VIK if your arya samaj belives whatever he said about Vedas Was wrong why not the head of Arya Samaj challenge him??”

        Waqas, I can say this same dialogue to u and to all muslims when ali sina is proving islam false right left center from all angles on his site faithfreedom.org( u probably dont have access to this since all these sites are banned in pakistan). Y did zakir naik not stop him? Ali Sina, has debated many muslim scholars and professors and he has left them thinking.

        Similarly, we ignore an idiot like Zakir. We all know that he is wrong and y waste time to argue with a fool. Now, u tell, Vedic interpretations have been going on for billions of years, and no one except dr. haq or naik has come accros with false claims of mohammad being prophecised. Obviously this is a scam, to whom every one will show rebuttal one day. There is a saying, u cant argue with a fool, every intelligent person has said that for zakir naik. He is very infamous in india, so who told u hes a public figure, hes a flop, in india, canada, america, irag, iran. He may be only popular in arab countries.

        For the videos of debate of zakir’s allies, with arya samaj, when we post them, I promise to send it to u first.

        Now, remmember my saying “when one cant answer a question properly, he gives up or gives a stupid reply”

        U have enacted this philosophy here as well. I am not satisfied from ur answer of my questions

        1) U compare a war treason, with a religion treason, which is very stupid. They are 2 different things with different context. Quran is God’s word according to muslims, so logically if Allah was sensible, he would say, that if someone chooses to leave islam, let him or her, I will punish him her in hell. But why would he command muslims to perform a murder? This proves quran is not GOD’s word, its the arabs who wanted to preserve their religion who wrote this quran. IF i wanted to preserve my religion made by me, i would have said the same thing, BUT logically why would GOD care? Vedas do not order hindus to kill someone if he leaves hindusim. In fact Vedas dont even demand a belief for one to bleev in them or not, its a humans choice. Whereas, if u dont bleev in quran, u go to hell (how stupid and how illogical), if u bleev in quran (u go to heaven and get 72 virgins) LOL.

        2) Having sex is only intended to grow a family in Vedas. Its not a pleasurefull act like quran. Again, Allah or GOD, saying men can have sex with slaves besides their wives is horribly sick and disgusting and not expected from GOD, it can be expected from a Devil, but not GOD. Our Vedas dont contain such lustfull desires Waqas. One woman is enough for a man and a man should only have sex with his wife (not slaves aunts strangers etc).

        So, again, I disagree with ur answers and I still challenge u for a moral justification on this.

        These commands in a quran are horrible and sick and logically cannot be GOD’s word. ( I am pretty sure even ur heart agrees with me).

        take care

      • By the way, just wanted to know if females can also indulge in sex with their male servants as their male counterparts can LOL.

      • @ Vik
        if there are war stories written in Ramayen then its about a war of good and evil but if thats written in Quran then its about bloodshed.
        Why there is double standard???

        I thought i was talking to a sensible person, but i was thinking wrong.
        i suggest you all guys again, instead of wasting time here ask your cowards dumb asses arya samaj so called scholars to raise a voice against Dr Zakir naik . If some one speaks again our holy book or prophet we challenge him straight way. we dont wait for the so called right to come. your all arya samaj knows what dr zakir said is cent percent right and therefor they dont have courage to challenge him and look at peace Tv they are showing those video almost 3 to 4times in a week .

        Laugh at yourself

      • We know you are intolerant and that shows as well in your mannerisms and actions. In as far as challenging Zakir Bhai MBBS is concerned two requests for open debates (One by Paropkarini Sabha and other by Ali Sina) are still pending. If u could be kind enough to inform u r “indomitable” to accept the challenges from them.

      • Dear Waqas,

        I know I’m commenting on a quite old blog but was going through it and thought of reminding something.

        Stories of wars in Ramayan and Mahabharat are refer to war between good and bad people. Between right and wrong. The war was not between believers and non-believers. Both sides believed in same god. You need to think with a calm mind and then come to a conclusion that if these epics can be compared with banu-qureza kind of incidents. I saw some one mentioning war of badr and was between right and wrong. Again I would like to disagree with this claim as it was Meccan, who were attacked and and not other way round.

        Think with the positive state of mind and you will find the truth yourself.

      • mozzies are stupid just like their leader, muhammad…cow piss is proved to be anti-septic and anti-bacterial…it can cure kidney failures..the idea of cow piss drinking is awkward physically,but then it gives lots of benefits…for example,medicine is bitter but it cures us…hindus pray to snake because of respects…God is and is in all things….the hindus see God everywhere,while the muslims place him further from humans…allah is just a stupid sky god…

        plus answer me why why allah grant 72 virgins and most of them are 9 year girls to those who died for him or those who satisfied him in heaven ??why muhammad,a so called ‘prophet’ slept with a 9 year old girl ? why muhammad told his wife to breastfed adult men to accept them as her sons ? in UAE,the ulamas issued a breastfeeding fatwa to foreign workers ….why is this so ? means,if you drank your wife’s milk,then your are her son ?? why kadhija married twice and that too while muhammad was 15 years younger than her ??? why you people are praising this whore ??

        your kuran is nothing but a diary of terrorism….it states women’s mensturation process is 3 months and many stupid ,illogical verse..examples are the earth is flat like a carpet,allah created stars to throw at satan…experts have pointed out 52% of kuranic verses teach hatred….

      • Asnt to 3.
        What right time you are talking about ?? According to you he has been talking garbage and thats what he has been doing for 14 years if you are already convinced that what ever he says its wrong go ahead do it right now. Its been 4 years now since he debated that dumb ass ravi shankar who acclaimed to memorize whole vedas at the age of 13. 4 years has already been passed. Peace tv showing that video again and again for 4 years you are still waiting for he right time. and check out that debate of zakir too with your vegetarian society president rashmi Bhai Zaveri. He was humiliated like anything at the end of the show. Debate topic was Is Non-Vegetarian Food Permitted or Prohibited. See we speak with proofs, if its with dumb ass ravi shankar or rashmi bhai zaveri we have videos you can easily see those on youtube , do you have the video proofs of the debate happened with allies of zakir or arya samaj, if yes then tell me the links i will see them and trust me if i analyze something i dont go biased at all . If you do not have that video, then you are just firing bullets in dark. i can lie about a debate of one your expert arya samaj with a muslim scholar and can say that arya samaj was defeated badly . talk with facts brother talk with facts or just shut your mouths until any of your cowards Arya samaj get a dare to challenge Dr Zakir

      • @ SDC
        The name that you have given are from 16th century. The story about those can be changed. Not enough evidence are provided to make them true. The riots i talked about that are still available with TV channels. Jodha Akbar i did nt make that movie neither a muslim, it showed over there one of your raja presented his own daughter to save his and his city’s ass. LOL. Even though i dont belive in that story too. Earth 1947, Dev these all films are made by Hindu’s, not by a muslim. Jaziya is just lie a tax thats it you pay tax yto your hindu government we pay taxes too. now if you talk about history where jaziyah was only taken from non muslim let me correct you here it was only taken from rich businessmen non muslims not from every non muslim. If your stats about countries are true i do not have any complains about it either. yea we proudly preach Islam because we think of non muslims as our brother and we want to come on a right path. Let me you tell you another very clearly if a muslim forces any non muslim to convert and non muslim does so by pressure or by the threat being killed that mulsim is doing 200 percent wrong. Allah will be angry with that muslim.

      • As expected evasive. So, u mean to say jaziya is a lie. Then, u have already started rewriting history with the hue that suits u the most, typical muslims LOL. By the way, the problems with the hindus have always been their disunity (Remember, Prithviraj Chauhan spanked Muhmammad Ghauri’s ass many times but due to the treachery of Jaichand, he was defeated). Coming back to the topic of jaziya and it being a lie, very recently two sikhs were beheaded in Pakistan namely Jaspal Singh and Mahal Singh and it is in the newspapers and TV (lets see, how u dodge this) and by the way they are not rich businessmen and u still “proudly preach Islam because we think of non muslims as our brother and we want to come on a right path” how nice of you . Talking of movies, r u a muslim, if u are why do u have to watch movies in the first place, it is “haram”. First be a muslim, bro then talk of islam, LOL.

      • dear what ever you said about Maulana Adbul Haque Vidyarth do u have any proof . Dear for your information he was a muslim scholar and was a teacher of hadiths not an Ahmadi. You can never even come close to the level of knowledge what Dr Zakir holds.

      • Maulana was a stalwart of Ahmadiyaa movement. Please tell clearly that if it is proved that Maulana Abdul Haq was a Ahamdiyaa, would you condemn Zakir Naik? If not then you are being hypocritical, unless you admit that Zakir supports Ahmadiyyas and you also endorse them. First let us have the rules laid out.

      • @Siva
        Dr Zakir naik has become a public figure now. If he start debating with any tom dick and harry trust me he ll have to spend his every minute on debating then. if Ali sina really believes that what Dr Zakir Naik has said about Islam its wrong then he should challenge him in public. Held a press conference ask Dr Zakir naik for an apology or if he does not then challenge him for a debate. that way Dr Zakir Naik will not have a way to run. Trust me if it prove that what ever he said in that debate was wrong i would be the first one to stop his watching his videos any more. i believe in truth too but it has to be proved. He cant have a debate with any tom dick and harry.

      • zakir does not accept challege of the strong. He plays with weak people. He does not say Hinduism is wrong in India. He never says against India in India but within his coterie he is against India. He does not respond to challeges, he is selective with whom he will be debating. Any stong candidate will be turned down or simply says he did not recieve any information and things like that. He is a businessman is the name of religion.

      • The Ali SIna challenge was the most rational way of seeking truth. Zakir has access to petro-dollars that fund Osama Bin Laden, and hence can provide himself wide publicity. I admit we do not have such gigantic funds, but nonetheless we would ensure that every truthseeker – Hindu or Muslim – is a force to counter the fraud of Zakir naik and expose those who support likes of Osama.

      • Dear brother Waqas namaste,

        1) Injustice has already been done! Seals on heart and veils on eyes have already been put by Allah. I asked you, what freewill do I have with my sealed heart and veiled eyes? Why did Allah write all this? Was he not sure about his memory? When did he write our fate? Did he know our fate before writing it? If yes then what was the need to write it, if not then who told him all this?

        2) Regarding the language and deeds of the prophets I am sure you will know some new facts now-
        i) Ayesha said, "The Prophet used to place a pillow in my lap even though I would be menstruating, and then he would recite the Qur'an." (Bukhari, vol 1pg 197 Book of Bath)
        ii)The Messenger of Allah addressed his wife Safia as “O You, bald-headed perished one!” (Bukhari, Kitabut Talaq vol 3 pg 143)
        iii)Abdullah Ibne Umar was reciting the Qur'an. When he reached verse 2:223, he asked Naafe whether he knew the application of this verse. Then he went on to explain as:“Your women are your tilths. Therefore, go to your tilths, as you please. If you wish, go into her …” (Bukhari, Book of Tafseer 6:50)
        iv) Ayesha said, “When Rasoolullah desired to have intercourse with me while I menstruated, he would order me to tie a piece of cloth around my waist.” (Bukhari, The Book of Menstruation vol 1 pg 24)
        v) A woman presented herself to the Prophet. He intently gazed at her from head to toe and then lowered his head (meaning she did not interest him). (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:71)

        Brother, I can continue this list furthermore but I think its enough to prove that Muhammad and Mirja Ghulam Ahmed were not different intellectually and morally.
        May Eeshvar give us strength to accept the truth and reject the false.

      • @ Arya

        Brother you were the one who was talking about the sects of Islam and asking us to whom to believe i think before you talk about Islam then you should talk to Hindu’s about It. you are an arya you don’t beleive Purana’s, hundreds and thousands of hindus believe on Puranas and geeta’s and ramayan etc. First, you all should decide who to follow, if you think only one God to be accepted as God, great mashah Allah , make a new topic and ask your own hindu bothers not to consider snake, cows and other animals to be God. once you would be done with this, then you could talk with us. LOL
        Brother Charity begins at home. So first debate this issue with your hindu brothers, bring them on one plate form then we could debate whether Vedas are the word of God or Quran.

      • Brother Waqas, namaste

        1) I was talking of sects in Islam because according to Muhammad, only one out of 72 sects of Islam is on truth. Rest of 71 will be in hell. But Muslims now claim that a person who believes in Allah and Muhammad will go to janna. Thus I just wanted to tell muslims that it is not sufficient for you to believe in Allah and his rasool, but you should first tell which sect you come from and is this the sect which Muhammad was talking about? The funniest thing with muslims is that they talk of getting heaven for themselves and allotment of hell for non muslims and give Dawah to them. But actually they dont know whether they belong to the one truth sect of islam or not.
        2) Hindus never claim that only hindu will go to heaven and every non hindu will go to hell. They believe in reincarnation and theory of Karma. A person be it hindu or not will be happy if he does good and will get punishment if he does bad. That is why I do not feel any necessity to debate with them on this issue. They do not create problems for the world.
        3) I wrote about many sects in islam and life of Muhammad according to Hadith. We should talk on these issues on the basis of authentic books and not on what people do, otherwise you have to answer things like grave worship which most of muslims do. I have shown the character of Muhammad in my previous comments from Sahih Hadith which you accept to be authentic. You did not give any of such things from the book (Vedas) which I consider authentic.
        Brother, you did not answer any of my questions asked in my comments. Hope you would do it some day!

      • Hi Shiva..
        Here are the answers for your question .
        1. Check Surah Al Ahzab ( Chapter 33,Verse 40) It says "Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing.".. Link for your reference http://quran.com/33

        2. All other books, says BIBLE, etc. have been modified by the people.. for thr own interest .. It's something which we can see presently also.. In Christianity itself you have n no of books .. they change the rule as and when they want….
        Its also mentioned in the Holy Quran that.. people of the Book( jews/christians) were not loyal to their own book.

        3. Its mentioned in the BIBLE,Old testament about the coming of the new prophet, but when Prophet Mohammad came , they didnt not accept…

        4. Brother i can advise you one thing.. If you are really seeking truth..Ask Allmighty God to give you guidance and show you straight path.. I also advise you to read a book named " Fundamentals of Tawheed by BILAL Philips"..Its an excellent book and clear all you misconceptions about ISLAM.. Read that book if after reading that book you have any doubts,please let me know..

        Also please note iam not here to fight,abuse or curse anyone,or to revert you to Islam or anything of that sort….. iam just telling you the truth.. If you want to accept it or not its your choice…

      • Why do you believe blindly that what Quran says is right .
        How can we accept someone as the ‘Mohammad’ who married a nine year old girl as a second birth of Jesus. Jesus rose from the dear …. did ‘Mohammad’ rose ??

      • Asalaamwalekum Warahmatullah hi Wa Barakataku to all my Muslim sisters and brothers,

        I am a muslim who is practising, and according to some non believers my religion seems to be conspicious in a bad way, i just want to let them know they should read up the Qu’ran before they cast their stones. Islam makes more sense to me (and i am not just saying this because i am a muslim), butr seriously it makes way more sense than hinduism and any other of these religions, and as for the Ahmadiyya group, for starters, it says in the Qu’ran there is no prophet or messenger after the Prophet Mohammed (SAW), secondly ISA (AS) are going to come to earth (two angels are going to bring them down to earth), whereas Ghulam Ahmad was born on this earth and secondly Islam doesn’t believe in reincarnation so that point is of the Ahmadiyya people doesn’t at all go into Islam.
        I have many other objections to what the Ahmadiyya people say is true but that would take to long, basically to be honest i just want to say stop hating on Dr Zakir Naik because unlike you cowards who speak ill behind his back, he at least has the courage to stand up in front of millions of people and confront their religion, in fact he actually seems to know more about others faiths than they do, but because Allah has guided him and shown him what is the correct religion (with nothing to hide) he is a proud muslim and i salute him for that.

        And to that hindu, u speak ill about Islam, at least Islam states everything and it MAKES SENSE whereas i heard about the story of the elephant god, and in reality if you were to cut of a persons head and replace it with and elephants head, am possitive the person would still be dead (basic knowledge).
        So before you question my religion i suggest you look at yours.

      • @asma
        >>according to some non believers my religion seems to be conspicious in a bad way,I just want to let them know they should read up the Qu’ran before they cast their stones.
        How can one non believe without knowing the fundamentals (Quran) ? Many objections to Quran come from scholars in Quran and ahadiths.

        >>Islam makes more sense to me (and i am not just saying this because i am a muslim), butr seriously it makes way more sense than hinduism and any other of these religions
        Hinduism is a way of life. You seem to know nothing about Hinduism. It is ok if islam makes sense to you, every fool has his right to believe.

        >> I just want to say stop hating on Dr Zakir Naik because unlike you cowards who speak ill behind his back,
        His stage shows are well planned to have more people like you, so he can speak nonsense and get applause. Why cant coward zakir naik answer questions asked here?

        >>And to that hindu, u speak ill about Islam, at least Islam states everything and it MAKES SENSE whereas i heard about the story of the elephant god, and in reality if you were to cut of a persons head and replace it with and elephants head, am possitive the person would still be dead (basic knowledge).
        If Allah can raise the dead and give you a place in heaven , cant a similar god give life to the dead body with elephant head? What do you consider the person? Is it the face , the cut body?

        >>So before you question my religion i suggest you look at yours.

        We cant just keep quiet looking at our religion, While people like bin laden and abdul kasam blow our bodies to pieces.

        This site is not for peaceful followers of Islam. It is answer to sort of people who justifies killing and suppression in the name of religion.

      • yh people like bin laden should be dead, i dont object to that,
        there are rotton eggs in every religion though
        if you wre 2 look up into Islam, you would see Islam is a peace ful religion
        Yes i get y u question 4 people killing, but as far as my knowledge, in Islam everything is a test and only Allah has the right to bring us into the world and take us. Some sins commited yes have death as the answer, but if the person asks for forgivness, Allah is most merciful, so that person would have the right to live, people who kill have actual no right others. so yes there are people who bring Islam down i see but all i want to say is that there is a difference in people and religion. Islam is a good religion, but some people actually change Islam to a very bad thing for instance the taliban, they are totally wrong, in Islam woman have alot of rights as the Prophets wife Aishah (RA) was a educated judge. So dont judge Islam due to some illitirate people, look it up trust me Islam is a good religion, its people who commit sin not the religion Islam

      • @asma
        So, elephant god doesnt make sense? Well, lailat al isra wa al miraj doesnt make sense to me either, just another story from muslim mythology.

        Zakir Naik has got guts to confront? I got bigger guts to confront him. Care for an open debate. I sent him an email on some lies he talked about islam, he didnt bother replying.

        and ahmadiyyas/qadianis are better human beings than wahabbi sunni muslims. They abrogated the principles of jihad. Kaash all muslims do that.

        Or least be like the dawoodi bohras, the best amongst the muslim community.

  19. Asalamu alaikum………. this message is for those who are trying to falsify Islam with out any proper base….. brother/sisters please try to gain more and more knowledge through proper channels nd book specially Quaran.. open ur heart and mind..leave Dr. Naik aside and study az much as u can.. and come back to the real God … Accept that god is one and no one iz like him……

    Come bake and revert before itz too late

    May Allah show u and us the right path
    Ameen
    Allah hafiz

    • @syedromaisa

      I studied kkkoran and found it false. I dont want to revert to islam, what you gonna do? Kill me?

      Allah showed me the right path and brought me back to sanatan dharma

  20. Asalam-o-Alikum!
    @Arya ….
    I am really very impressed and glad to see your knowledge and interests towards Islam. JazakAllah brother for sharing all the information and also the allegations and critics against Islam. InshAllah this will let you more towards the thorough study of Islam and towards the ultimate truth (InshAllah) i.e There is no God but Allah.
    I want to reply all of your previous comments and posts but time is not permitting me to do so. But I will try my level best to clarify all those issues and and convince you. So I am starting for your latest comment about importance of Hadith.
    1) Brother this is not true that Hadiths were compiled when muslims were facing difficulty in understanding Islam through Quran. Rather Hadiths were compiled to save and preserve the sayings, acts and life of our beloved Prophet (PBUH) so that every person can get benefit from it. Quran is the final word of God very concise and very precise and Hadiths are further elaborating the practicality and explanation of Quranic verses as life of Muhammad(PBUH) was also Quran itself. It doesn’t mean Quran will be incomplete or will be less worthy without Hadith. Because the criteria for checking the credibility of any Hadith is itself Quran. Hadith should be seen and understand in light of Quran. No Hadith can go against/contradict Quran. The basic and foundation is laid down by Quran and its execution and implementation during life of Prophet (PBUH) can be seen in Hadiths. So as a muslim we require both Quran and Hadith (in light of Quran) to seek mercy of God Almighty.
    2) I am 100% agree with you here. Quran is also revealed on Muhammad (PBUH), so that how can we deny of Hadiths? If we deny Hadith, then there will also be doubts on credibility of Quran itself. But it needs further explanation brother:
    Quran was completed and compiled (though not printed) during the lifetime of Prophet. And he himself listened to complete Quran in the order which is presented infront of us today and further he recited the whole Quran in front of Gabriel and thus it is also being confirmed from God. So there is no doubt in credibility of Quran.
    About Hadith is that, Hadiths were started to be written by scholars of Islam 100-200 years after the death of Prophet. They all are written by prominent scholars but not by Prophet himself nor it has been testified by Prophet. Different scholars have spent their whole life to gather the Hadith from different sources and different chains of narrators and as much authentic as possible. But yet it is man-written and yet contain some fabricated and weak Hadith along with Sahih Hadith . The term used here “Sahih” means the authentic Hadiths which are consistent and fulfilling all the standards of authenticity. Some of which are:
    1) Consistency and compatibility with Quran.
    2) Continuous chain of linkage of all the narrators (with no one missing in between) up to Prophet (PBUH) himself.
    3) The character of narrators.
    And sometime it is necessary to check the context in which particular Hadith is said and also its consistency with other Ahadiths about the same topic. And Prophet himself has cursed the person who attributes any false claim with Prophet. Anyhow this is solely and purely a research type of work and is still going on to separate “Sahih” and fabricated or weak Hadith and many prominent scholars have produced immense and remarkable work in this regard. In present day example, one such scholar was Al-Bani. He separated the weak and fabricated Hadith from all the six major books of Hadiths including Bukhari and Muslim. Many other scholars have also criticized Bukhari and other books of Hadiths for some weak narrations.
    And all the sects among Muslims believe Quran as the word of God and Hadiths as the implementation and practicality of Quran as the actions of Prophet. There is not any difference between any sects on this issue. And the criterion to justify Hadith on basis of Quran is also same in all the sects. The difference lies in chain of narrators. Shia believes some narrators from the family of Prophet as more authentic than others while Sunni believe other companions of Prophet also authentic. This does not create any difference. As the authentic Hadith will be one which will fulfill all the conditions some of which are stated above. And one hadith does not come out from any single source. There are many chains of narrators through which it is linked. And more or less the Hadiths which are present in Sunni books are also contained in Shia books with some other narrators but from the same Prophet and same meaning.
    And Allah knows the best ……

    • Dear brother Arya,
      Asalam-o-Alikum!
      If those of my comments have hurt you I am sorry for them. Actually for me at least, the truth is my religion and I am fully convinced and satisfied with it whole heartedly as well as logically. It does not mean at all that I have closed my heart or my eyes towards the truth. I kept them open that’s why I found it. And till day I am pretty much satisfied with it. But I am agreeing here with you that in our debate the points should be logical and in real spirit to seek the knowledge and truth (to what is true in both religions and remove the doubts and confusions). I think I have not offended you again.

      So I am discussing you here about your first point. The references you gave for Quranic verses were:

      “And they said, ‘why are not signs were sent down upon them from his Lord’? Say you, ‘the signs are with Allah. And I am indeed a clear -warner’. Does it not suffice them that We have sent down upon you the Book that is recited to them? Undoubtedly, in it there is mercy and admonition for the believers. [29:50, 51]”

      “The Hour of Resurrection has drawn near and the Moon has split asunder. Yet whatever Sign these people may see they turn away and say, “This is current magic. [54:1-2]”

      Please read these Quranic verses again and you will find them in perfect accordance with each other and as a classical example of the trueness of Quran, signs of Allah and the Day of Judgment. There isn’t any contradiction at all. But the latter verses are fulfilling of what has been said in above verses. And if you read both Surats completely with knowing the background of revelation and within context believe my you will also appreciate the perfect harmony among Quranic verses. Anyhow I will try to clarify your doubts about them.

      You said:
      Muhammad clearly says that he can not perform miracles because they are with Allah, and there is no need to show miracles because Quran is sufficient.

      It does not say anywhere that “there is no need to show any miracle” or “he can not perform miracles”. Indeed he performed miracles but with will of God and Quran is the greatest miracle of him as mentioned by Quran itself.
      I am surprised that how you extracted that meaning out of it. Let it be there as it is mentioned in Quran and it will be very clear to what it is meant.

      The correct interpretation of these verses is:

      “A Book like the Qur’an has been sent down to you in spite of your being unlettered. Is it not by itself a great miracle which should convince the people of your Prophethood? Do they yet need another miracle after this? The other miracles were the miracles for those who witnessed them. But this miracle is ever present in front of them. It is being recited before them almost daily; they can witness it as and when they like.”
      As the presentation of a Book like the Qur’an by an unlettered person, and the manifestation by him, all of a sudden, of extraordinary qualities of character while nobody ever noticed him making any preparation for these previously, are in fact the clearest Signs which serve as pointers to his Prophethood for those who are possessed of knowledge and wisdom.

      Although Prophet (PBUH) was sent down as a ‘clear-warner’ to warn people about the Day of Judgment and life after death and for that God also showed those signs to validate the claims of Muhammad (PBUH).

      And one such sign is mentioned in latter verses i.e. Surah Qamar (54:1-2). And the interpretation of these verses is:

      “The splitting of the Moon asunder is a portent that the Hour of Resurrection, of which you are being foretold, has drawn near at hand, and the order of the Universe has begun to be disrupted. Moreover, the incident that a great sphere like the Moon’s has split into two distinct parts, is a specific proof of the fact that Resurrection of which you are being forewarned can take place. Obviously, when the Moon can split, the earth also can split, the orbits of he stars and planets also can change and the whole system of the heavens also can be disturbed. There is nothing eternal and everlasting and stable here so that Resurrection may be improbable.”
      Here, the question arises: What was the real nature of this incident. Was it a miracle that the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) performed on the demand of the disbelievers of Makkah as a proof of his Prophethood? Or, was it only an accident that occurred on the Moon by the power of Allah and the Holy Prophet had only called the peoples attention to it and warned them to mark it as a Sign of the possibility and nearness of Resurrection? A large group of the Muslim scholars regards it as among the miracles of the Holy Prophet and holds the view that it had been shown on the demand of the disbelievers. But this view is based only on some of those traditions which have been related from Hadrat Anas. Apart from him no other Companion has stated this. According to Fath al Bari Ibn Hajar says: “Apart from the narration by Hadrat Anas, in no other narration of this story have I come across the theme that the incident of the splitting of the Moon had taken place on the demand of the polytheists. (Bab Inshiqaq al-Qamar). Abu Nu’aim Isfahani has related a tradition on this subject in Dale il an-Nubuwwat, on the authority of Hadrat ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas also, but it has a weak chain of transrmitters and none of the traditions that have been related with strong chains of tranamitters in the collections of Hadith on the authority of Hadrat ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas, contains any mention of this. Furthermore, neither Hadrat Anas nor Hadrat `Abdullah bin `Abbas was a contemporary of this incident. On the contrary, none of the Companions from among Hadrat `Abdullah bin Mas’ud, Hadrat Hudhaifah, Hadrat Jubair bin Mut`im, Hadrat ‘Ali, Hadrat `Abdullah bin ‘Umar, who were contemporaries of the incident, has stated that the pagans of Makkah had demanded a Sign of the Holy Prophet to testify to his Prophethood on which he might havc shown the miracle of the splitting of the Moon. Above all, the Qur’an itself also is presenting this event not as a Sign of the Prophethood but as a Sign of the nearness of Resurrection. However, this was indeed conspicuous proof of the Holy Prophet’s truthfulness because it testified to the news that he was giving to the people of the coming of Resurrection.
      (From Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an)

      I hope now you will have some better understanding about these verses and you will not see any contradiction in these verses. I will reply the other issues in my next post InshAllah.
      May Allah give us the faith.

      • The verses you quote in your point number two are:

        “That Day is approaching when everyone shall find before him whatever he has done be it good or evil. On that Day one would wish that there were a long span of time between himself and that Day. Allah warns you to fear Him for He is very Compassionate towards His servants [3:30]”

        “O Prophet, tell the people, “If you sincerely love Allah follow me; then will Allah love you and forgive your sins, for He is Forgiving and Merciful. [3:31]”

        “The people who have rejected the message of Truth, be they the people of the Book or the mushriks, would never like that any good be sent down to you from your Lord, but Allah chooses for His mercy whom He wills, and Allah is Most Bountiful. [2:105]”

        Again I will say to you that please read these verses again and you will not find any contradiction in them. Furthermore [2:105] is about very different topic as you can see very clearly in that verse. It has been spoken about the behavior and conduct of people of book i.e. Jews and if you read the previous and the latter verses of Surah Baqra (chapter No. 2), it will make you very clear that here the behavior and jealousy of Jews is discussed towards the Prophet and Islam. I think it is not needed to give any further explanation as the verse is very straight forward and obvious by itself.

        Although I am presenting a brief description about these verses which will Inshallah remove your doubts about them.

        The verse [3:30] is referring to the Day of Judgment and it is said that on that day, all the good and bad deeds will be shown to everyone:
        Allah tells His servants that He knows the secrets and apparent matters and that nothing concerning them escapes His observation. Rather, His knowledge encompasses them in all conditions, time frames, days and instances. This Ayah alerts Allah’s servants that they should fear Him enough to not commit what He prohibits and dislikes, for He has perfect knowledge in all they do and is able to punish them promptly. And He gives respite to some of them, then He punishes them, and He is Swift and Mighty in taking account. And on the Day of Resurrection, Allah brings the good and evil deeds before the servant. Then He warns people against His punishment. Allah then said, while bringing hope to His servants, so that they do not despair from His mercy or feel hopeless of His kindness that Allah is full of kindness with the servants.

        Then in latter verse i.e. [3:31], Allah has given the criteria on which He will grant His mercy and kindness to His servants.
        “If you (really) love Allah, then follow me (i.e. Muhammad), Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
        This Ayah judges against those who claim to love Allah, yet do not follow the way of Muhammad. Such people are not true in their claim until they follow the Shari`ah (Law) of Muhammad and his religion in all his statements, actions and conditions.

        And Allah really does justice. Allah has revealed His words and sent His Prophet to the mankind. Now if those people who believe in Quran as word of God and Muhammad(PBUH) as prophet of God and act upon the commandments of Him by following Muhammad(PBUH) will be deserved for mercy or those people who rejected all His commandments and stand against Him ? Please think for a moment, if Allah is really a true and only God, then what should be the justice? To treat both kind of people equally? Will it be a justice? I think it will be injustice with those who surrender themselves before Him and obey Muhammad (PBUH). Allah never said that He will bring His mercy on non-believers anywhere in Quran.
        And for those people who disbelieve in Allah and His messenger but though they do good deeds along with some bad deeds which are forbidden by God, Allah will certainly give the reward according to their deeds in this world as well as hereafter. But those people will not be blessed by paradise because they do not wish for it and act accordingly. I think this is the best justice. The person who rejected God, His messenger, life hereafter and closed his eyes towards the signs of God then how God can bring His mercy upon Him, if he himself is not willing. Then the best justice should be to treat him according to his deeds in this world. (And Allah knows the best)

        The last verse is completely different and speaking about the people of Books. The interpretation within context is:

        The verse speaks of Jews behavior towards Muslims in general. Some of the Jews used to assure the Muslims of their sincerity towards them, and to pretend that they would very much have liked the Muslims to have received from Allah religious doctrines and commandments superior to what they themselves had received, so that they too could accept them, but unfortunately Islam did not seem to be a better religion.
        The Holy Quran refutes their claim to be the well-wishers of the Muslims, and declares that the infidels, whether they be the Jews or the associators, are so jealous of Muslims that they can never like the idea of their receiving from Allah any kind of blessing whatsoever. Of course, this jealousy can do no harm to the Muslims, for Allah is Beneficent and All-Powerful, and can shower his special blessings on whomsoever He chooses.

        May Allah show us the right path.

      • Dear friend Talha, namaste

        1)Is Quran a book of knowledge which is applicable for all times or is it a collection of some incidents? If Quran were to be a knowledge book, all its verses should have their significance in all times. If Allah had refused to sent down signs upon Muhammad and after few years or months, He sent down signs then both the verses can not be true at the same time. Hence Quran is proved to be a history book rather than a knowledge book, which was significant for a particular time but not now.
        2) Friend you wrote-“A Book like the Qur’an has been sent down to you in spite of your being unlettered.”
        I would like to know if Muhammad was illiterate then how was it possible for him to become trade manager of Hazrat Khadiza? Muhammad was expert in handling the business which included trade with other countries too. Then how is it possible that a man with such expertise was illetrate?
        3) If according to Quran, its revelation itself was the biggest sign then it was useless to show any smaller signs further! It was in fact proved to be useless as you quoted-“Yet whatever Sign these people may see they turn away and say, “This is current magic.”[54:2].
        4) You quoted Maududi-“Qur’an itself also is presenting this event not as a Sign of the Prophethood but as a Sign of the nearness of Resurrection”
        But my friend, just read once the language of [54:2]. It clearly says-yet whatever signs these people may see, they turn away and say, this is current magic. Since moon was split by Muhammad, it was indeed sign of prophethood. In Quran also, this sign shows the prophecy of Muhammad. Moreover, what does Maududi mean by nearness of resurrection? Near and far are relative terms. Does Quran tell after so many years resurrection will occur?
        5) Friend, we are living in the scientific era. You can not convince anyone by telling him the story of splitting of moon and some more like this. Except Arabs, not the single person outside Arab could see the splitting of moon. Why? Is God so weak that he has to show signs to some persons in order to convince them? Are sun, earth, moon, etc not the signs of greatness of God? Do you think that splitting of moon is greater sign than the perfect and unchangeable laws of motions of moon, earth and sun? Unchangeable laws, knowledge, and form of God are in fact more than sufficient signs for believers. And for unbelievers, it is same whether you warn them or not, they will not believe! [Quran 2:6]

      • Asalam-o-Alikum!
        Dear brother Arya

        You wrote:
        1) My dear friend Quran is not a book of history. It is a God’s miraculous, matchless message that has been sent to all humanity through His last Messenger. Through Quran, God has expressed His message in the most explicit way, leaving no room for any misunderstanding or confusion.

        “We have explained in detail in this Qur’an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious. (18:54)”

        Nowhere in Quran is it mentioned that “Allah had refused to sent down signs upon Muhammad”, but in that verse, it is stated very clearly and ambiguously “Does it not suffice them that We have sent down upon you the Book that is recited to them?” It means that isn’t it enough for them that we have revealed Quran upon you? Why are you confusing it with that Allah refused to show any of His signs? Please read the verse again it is saying “Signs are with Allah”. He can show any of His sign to anyone to whom He wants. What is the point of confusion? Did Allah say anywhere in Quran I will not show any of My sign to anyone?

        2) My friend please read the books on life history of Muhammad (PBUH). I am suggesting you some top biographies of Muhammad written by International scholars. Please read them you will find your answer in great detail:

        •Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources, by Martin Lings
        •Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet, by Karen Armstrong
        •The Millenium Biography of Muhammad the Prophet of Allah, by Grand Shaykh, Professor Hasan Qaribullah
        •Sirat Al Nabi and the Orientalists, by Muhammad Muhar Ali
        •Fiqh-us-Seerah: Understanding the life of Prophet Muhammad, by Muhammad Al-Ghazali
        •Seert-un-Nabi, by Allama Shibli Numani

        And you will find almost the similar answer in every biography which I am quoting you from one of the book:

        “By now, Muhammad was a young man. The caravan journeys he had made with his uncle had taught him many things, so it was natural that he too should take to trading as a livelihood. There were those in Mecca who gained much wealth through trading. Some of them, for one reason or another, choose not to accompany the caravans on their missions, preferring to entrust their goods and money to a caravaner who would in return be given a share of the profit. However, reliable, trustworthy people had become increasingly difficult to find. Muhammad’s word was his bond, his reputation for fairness; honesty and trustworthiness were known by all in Mecca so when he took to trading, Meccan businessmen welcomed him as their profit-sharing partner. It was not only with their trade that the Meccans trusted him. They trusted him completely in the knowledge that anything placed in his safe-keeping would be returned without decrease. One might have expected that he would have been paid a fee for such service, however he never requested, desired, nor accepted a fee. His inherent sense of fairness dictated that receiving a fee would ultimately detract from the value of the person’s wealth. Such was his impeccable reputation that both businessmen and tribesmen would refer to him as “Al Amin”, the trustworthy. It was through Muhammad’s example of fair-trading that, in later years, his companions emulated his practice and became very successful in all aspects of commerce. Those who traded with them, be they Muslim or non-Muslim in Arabia or in other countries, knew that they could rely upon their trading partner and would never be cheated.”

        So the reason was his honesty, truthfulness and fairness that made him successful in trade. And Quran itself speaks about the unletterness of him as:

        “He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves” (63:2)

        3,4) I think I already have given you the answer of these in point number 1. Allah says in Quran:

        “We will show them Our signs in all the regions of the earth and in their own souls until they clearly see that this is the truth. (41-53)

        Signs are with Allah. He shows them to whom He wants in any form. The sign of splitting the moon was one of such sign which was shown to the people to that era. That was not shown by Prophet on demand of non-believers neither Quran claimed that anywhere nor Prophet claimed that. The further answer that why He shows His signs to people is mentioned in the above verse i.e. they are shown for the remembrance of God, Day of Resurrection and life after death.
        And the day of Resurrection will come in the similar manner as mentioned in that verse “The Hour of Resurrection has drawn near and the Moon has split asunder”. It was shown clearly as a sign of Judgment day and the term “near” means it is very near to you. For a person, as soon as he dies, the timeline given to him is over and accountability is started from him. So for him the day of his death is his Judgment day. And the ultimate day will also come in similar manner as said by Quran:

        He questions: “When is the Day of Resurrection?” At length, when the sight is dazed and the moon is buried in darkness, and the sun and moon are joined together that Day will Man say; “Where is the refuge?” ( 75:6-10)

        5) That exactly I am saying me dear friend. We are living in scientific era. And all the scientific facts you have mentioned are already been discussed in Quran as oneness of God. How can we deny those facts? Those are the clear signs showing the presence of one and true God i.e. Allah. Furthermore earthquakes, floods, volcanoes are also among His signs indicating the same destruction will happen at large scale and life will be no more and we all then be accountable for our deeds in front of Him.

        “The sun and the moon are made punctual. The stars and the trees adore. And the sky He hath uplifted; and He hath set the measure, that ye exceed not the measure, But observe the measure strictly, nor fall short thereof. And the earth hath He appointed for (His) creatures, wherein are fruit and sheathed palm trees Husked grain and scented herb. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord that ye deny?”

        “He created man of clay like the potter’s, And the Jinn did He create of smokeless fire. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord that ye deny?”

        “Lord of the two Easts, and Lord of the two Wests! Which is it, of the favours of your Lord that ye deny?”

        “He hath loosed the two seas. They meet. There is a barrier between them. They encroach not (one upon the other). Which is it, of the favours of your Lord: that ye deny?”

        “His are the ships displayed upon the sea, like banners. Which is it, of the favours of your Lord that ye deny?” (Surah Rehman- 55)

        And finally will come upon the day of Resurrection:

        In that is a Sign for those who fear the penalty of the Hereafter: that is a Day for which mankind will be gathered together: that will be a Day of Testimony. Nor shall We delay it but for a term appointed. (11.102-7)
        May Allah forgive us.

  21. @Waqas

    Waqas, when u saw the debate of zakir naik vs sri sri ravi shankar, either u were deaf or not paying attentiion. Waqas, u said “he debated that dumb ass ravi shankar who acclaimed to memorize whole vedas at the age of 13.” first off, ravi shankar never memorized the Vedas, ravi shanker memorized the GEETA. Geeta and Vedas are 2 separate scriptures, dont confuse between them. Go and rewind that video and watch it again, if ravi shankar knew Vedas inside out, that parrot zakir naik would have stopped flopping his wings. IT was the Geeta he said. GO and see for urself if u dont bleev me. I have that debate on tape too. As far as islam is concerned, tell me one thing Waqas, if quran is really the word of GOD, then y would GOD order a muslim to kill an ex muslim just because he chose to leave islam? Why would GOD allow the slavery of women for extra sex of men? Why would GOD allow polygammy? I can send u the verses tooo, but try to justify these questoins. Vedas do not allow pollygamy, Vedas do not allow slavery of women for extra pleasure sex, Vedas do order hindus to kill anyone who chooses to leave Vedas or Vedic Dharma. So, which one do u think is more authentic in being GOD’s word?

  22. @Waqas

    further u said”
    if there are war stories written in Ramayen then its about a war of good and evil but if thats written in Quran then its about bloodshed.
    Why there is double standard???”

    there is no double standard here. If quran talks about bloodshed in a self defense or justifying way to mankind, then its reasonable. But when islam commands jihad and terrorist attacks suicide bombings then u fanatics take it too far.

    Why dont u compare, Ramayan and Quran both sanction violence and bloodshed, but we hindus are amongst the most peacefull peopple and look at u, majority of terrorists are muslims?

    So who has gone far into bloodshed? Please tell me?

    As far as debate with mr parrot zakir goes, U know and I know, that zakir naik is no match for an Arya Samaj scholar of Vedas. All the verses where he claims prophecies of mohammad have been refuted on this site. Now u tell me, how will zakir argue against that? Zakir is only good for memorizing verses and their numbers. Even if we go on media, he will find some way or the other, to back out from this. So that is why we are making better plans.

  23. Mr. Waqas u said ” inshah Allah Muslims will rule India again if not us then China would definitely rule you guys” that itself uncovers u r hidden agenda. U have always been violent and barbaric. Yes, the muslims may rule India but only over our dead bodies as we will till the last drop of our blood. We would rather accept matyrdom to submission

    • who is this waqas who says this? And why should we shed our blood and become martyrs?

      I shed the blood of the mlechhas, to avoid tyhem taking over and ruling India. simple. I am a better warrior than they are.

  25. When do we expect coming of Bhagavan Kalki… an Avatar of present era… a messiah competent to uplift Dharma (righteousness)! In times of strife… when mutual trust amongst each other reaches its lowest ebb… coming of a messiah (Avatar) gets necessitated! Even man gods like Mahavira, Gautama Buddha, Jesus Christ or Prophet Mohammed fail in such circumstances!

    Who shall be Bhagavan Kalki is the biggest question! Coming of a man god coupled with powers of Chanakya (most able administrator in history of mankind) is only solution! Humanity looks forward to such a one… an ordinary mortal that against all odds upholds Dharma (righteousness) and succeeds in re-establishing peace tranquility abound!

    • Instead of waiting for an Avatar to rescue us, let us discover that avatar within ourselves and our united strength. As per Bhavishya Puran, that avatar is still (4.32 lakh – 6000) years ahead. Instead of waiting in false hope as per false story of a false book, let us stand up to protect ourselves by discovering the legend within ourselves.

  26. @Waqas

    Waqas, we are trying to spread peace here, not hatred and violence unlike u muslims. The proof for this is u urself said “muslims will take over india”, this is a huge myth and will never happen. No body has the guts to even look at india today. Forgot recently, how we mashed those pakistani terrorists like wavred dogs of march 26 2008 taj hotel attack. Besides what else can be expected from people like u.

    Well its common sense, Waqas, if ur mohammad can presribe camel piss, he mite as well drank it tooo. Its not like he never got sick before. He must have tried. Just like a doctor prescibes medicine, Im pretty sure, if he falls in the same sickness, he would take the same as well. See, today muslims drink camel piss, becuase it is prescribed in ur books, in our Vedas, show me a single verse where it presribes cow urine. We have proof for u muslims which i shown u already.

    And ravi shankar never came for a debate, he was invited by ur retarded parrot fakir naik mbbs for a dialogue. If ravi wanted, he could have said no, but he was man enough to accept challenges unlike ur fakir naik who has been challenged by Arya Samaj and Ali Sina,many times and still hasnt replied.

    As far as ur video goes u sent, the question asked was do u bleev in the oneness of GOD according to quran and Vedas?

    Obviously we all hindus believe and worship one almighty GOD, u would never hear a hindu say we have more than one god. But people have chose to worship HIM in different attributes so that is why u see a large quantity.

    Anything else Mr. Waqas, u want me to refute?

    U still have not refuted my points of the quran:
    1) why allah orders muslims to kill apostles or ex muslims just for a stupid reason of leaving islam

    2)why does allah allow men to have sex with slave women, other than their wife or wives, is slavery not wrong?

    • Vik,

      i just took a look at your questions

      In the bhagavad gita there is a part in which Sri krishna tells one of your other gods to strike his brother and he says you should even kill your brothers and sisters if you have to for the right thing, so i dont see why your picking this point

      secondly
      It says for men it is better for them to marry a believing freed slave girl rather than a wealthy woman whom ist a believer so i suggest you to research this

      • @asma,
        srikrishna’s prodding of arjuna to fight is to remind arjuna of his duty. arjuna is a warrior and to refuse to fight when challenged is a deviation from arjuna’s duty.
        Please stop comparing fighting in defence and for a rightful share of his fathers property to killing a person just because he does not believe in muslims foolish ideas.

      • @asma

        Lord krishna told arjuna to fight against his own brothers to preserve dharma. I use the same ideology to fight against my muslim brothers and sisters to preserve the arya dharma.

        Jai shri ram

  27. @ Vik

    You know when i started reading your article and when you mentioned ali sina,s challenge i started laughing. Ali sent left lot off email at IRF website asking Dr Zakir for an online debate previously Dr Zakir didnt have much time but finally lot of muslims emailed Zakir top debate Ali sina So dr zakir naik challenged him to go for live debate. Ali sina refused by saying its time consuming, expensive and what can you in two hours ? hahahahahahahahahahahaha what a jerk you dont trust me here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sina_ex-Muslim
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha i always give my facts with proofs you will get those videos thedn you would upload them i challenge you right now upoload them right now so i can get convinced i m here to convince you and you are here to convince me put that videos and convince me bro you dont have those videos. i challenge you wil never be able to put those videos.

    Now coming back to my answers you said what God should do tell muslims then leave islam and at the end God will send them in hell. Who are you to tell God what to do and what not . Ok what i do i kill any human being but dont give me punishment becoz if i ve done some thing wrong God will punish me. You would bring your human made law which states a killer should be punished. Then i would say i dont believe in this law so leave me . would you leave me /????? you would say thats a law and you would be arrested and would be punished . Same is in our case, we have our islamic law and we follow that .

  29. @VIk
    reply to 2nd paragraph:
    when i started reading your 2nd paragraph and you mentioned about Ali Sina’s Challenge i started laughing. bro ViK for your knowledge Ali Sina refused to have a live debate with Dr Zakir i know i know you wont trust me but since you know i always speak witrh facts and proof here is a
    link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sina_ex-Muslim
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
    That jerk Ali sina s refused Zakir by saying live debate is expensive time consuming and what can you say in two hours ?? hahaha What a Jerk? Thats your first defeat please at least accept it.

    Now i challenge you to put those videos on internet. I am damn sure you dont have those videos and you know that too. If you have got those video, you would ve posted it same day. hahaha bro you will never be able to put those Videos and thats my open challenge.

    Now coming back to my answer what a idiotic logic you give. Law is Law. you follow it or not Law still remains a Law. Who are you to say If Allah is sensible he could ve said that. Can you tell your God to change things in Vedas. No you cant, your God even cant protect your own books what else he can do. I try to tell in very simple way. your indian law was made by some poiticians right? now according to that if some one steals, loots or kill some one he ll be punished. right?? if i am being inidan refuse to accept that law and say i would steal, loot and kill thats not a bad thing at all in my point of view or if i am doing wrong God would punish me after my death. Would your police leave me ?? they would say its an indian law and it implements on every inidan whether one accept it or nt.
    Bro VIK same goes with Islamic law, it implements on every muslim whether he accept it or not.
    Its just your ego who is stopping you to accept truth but i am damn sure your heart agrees with me

  30. @Waqas,

    it doesnt matter whom mohmmad prescribed camel urine to, the question is why would he prescribe camel urine in the first place to anyone? Was he a doctor? Did he see some medical benefit in camel urine?

    Waqas, u enjoy mouthing about logic, but ur the one who is always illogiccal. U say plucking a fruit from the tree and eating it without killing the tree, is like cutting off a man's hand and eating it. Waqas, when will u grow up, ur applications of logic here are so childish. There is a huge difference between a mans hands cut off and a fruit plucked. The difference is a man's hand will never grow back on, whereas a fruit will. Yes, we can say, eating fruits off of a tree, its like cutting hair of nails, off of a human which doesnt hurt. Well, when i get a haircut or nailcut, i dont feel pain, i dont know about u. But listen, plants or bacteria do not have souls, like animals and humans. Just because plants can sense according to u it doesnet mean they have souls. Even robots, and machines have senses and sensors, does it mean they have a soul? LOL

    Listen all these hindu scriptures u been quoting from are either adulterated and interpolated, so I cant trust any english translations. I only read the direct sanskrit translations. Manu Smriti, Puranas, Ramayan, MahaBharat, all have been changed. The only hindu scripture that has been unchanged are the Vedas (ironically the first and only revealed texts) and not even a single element is changed. And if u enjoy quoting proofs
    then heres proof from the same book manu smriti (original)

    Manusmrithi 5.51
    Anumantaa vishasitaa nihantaa krayavikrayee
    Samskartaa chopahartaa cha khadakashcheti ghaatakaah

    Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that
    meat and those who eat are all murderers.

    and heres Vedic proof:
    Breehimattam yavamattamatho maashamatho tilam
    Esha vaam bhaago nihito ratnadheyaaya dantau maa hinsishtam pitaram maataram cha
    Atharvaveda 6.140.2

    O teeth! You eat rice, you eat barley, you gram and you eat sesame. These cereals are specifically meant for you. Do not kill those who are capable of being fathers and mothers.

    So tell me Waqas, are apples and oranges capable of being parents, if i place a male apple with a female apple in a box (if there are genders lol), will they hatch millions of other apples. IF this were the case, every store would only buy 2 apples and all the farmers would have been laid off.

    The rest of ur quotes are all adulterated versions of ramayan, did u know there are 2 different versions on top of that, they are changed. I only trust Vedas to be the supreme. So avoid telling me about puranas, ramayana, manu smritt, etc. I respect those too but only in their real forms.

    As far as ur debate goes of ravi shankar and naik, to me, there was no clear winner and loser, i think they were tie, since they never had any arguments in vane. Nor, did mohammad naik the irf organizer announce the winner or loser. But some of the audience were stupid and #$%@ big time, especially the jackass they carry back the one in white hat and white clothes who was yelling at ravi shankar. Jackasses like him are the cause of riots and dont deserve to live.

    THe rashmi bhai debate, well, I have to blame rashmi bhai for that since he only relied on research ant not scientific facts. The problem is zakir is a doctor and he can fool anyone with his medical knowledge and no one verifies this. IF u saw closely one audience member challenged zakir naik to all his 20 points and zakir said come to irf and debate with my student.

    Every thing u mentioned about history, did happen to some extent. Moghals were keep expanding and we were keep killing them and they killed our men too. Big deal. U may know a jackass like moghal aurenghazib who was a complete p#$@y, tried to convert hindus to islam, but guess wot, he was defeated like a wretched dog.

    Hindus invadeed tibet? Hindus sent their army etc? What history books do u have to claim that. Hindus are not trying to conquer kashmir, but are protecting it from pakistani muslims like u. Kashmir wants to be a nation the way it is but pakistan wants to own it.

    As far as the samjhota express goes, where ur fellow pakistanis got killed, bleev me more than any pakistani or indian, its me who feels enraged and wants to avenge for them. I hate injustice no matter who does it whether pak on india or india on pak. I would want those people to get killed who were behind this samjota express more than anyone on this world. Its not that i liked those pakistanis its about humanity. Pakistanis are nice people too, i know that, but dont think we hindus have done this. But after the taj hotel attack, if we wanted we could have sent a few guys over in pakistan to attack a similar hotel, and kill innocent pakis in return, but we didnt. We chose to kill those terrorist instead. IF A has damaged B, in return B should damage A, not C, D, Or E. Get my point.

    • @ Vik
      Ans to your paragraph one
      Lol what you do then start eating men;s hair and nail too. LOL there for i asked you to reseach and ask botanist about i. Plants does have soul since it cant be proved scientifically (like any human being’s soul cant be proven scientifically) plants does feel pain, they cry they laugh there are some plants who eats flies too. When would you understand???

      You are again showing your double standard/ If i quote some thing from your books which goes against you then its adulterated but if you say from your books then its facts. If you are not beliving the quotes i mentioned from mahabhartha and musimitri then stop believing those book at all/ you cant jus pick some things what you like .

      another example of double standard:
      when i mentioned about Hindu’s excercises you were the one who said ” brother waqas we are here to discuss Vedas and Quran not hindus and muslims” remember now why are youi saying there are more terrorist in muslims than Hindus??
      ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      That was your Government responsibility to give protection to those innocent pakistani’s when indian came here we gave them full protection i said every one left without getting a scratch from here but our pakistanis brothers and sisters got burnt to death and your government never apologized. You are aware who burnt them It was bal thakery and his terrorist organization who did all that but you cant take an action against them.

      Pakistani intelligence was not behind mumbai activity but even then your intelligence tried to take revenge and they trained and send persons to attach sri lankan team .

      Now you were comparing your God and our Allah.
      We are all human being right every one is equal right?>?????????
      In Vedas it mentions ” Human kind have been created from four parts of the God. From the head its the brahman from the chest its Shastra from the the thigh its Vehsha business class and from the foot its shoodra.
      Brother simple question whats the sin of a person if he was born in shoodra and whats the good thing about a person if he was born in brahman. Your God has already created cast systems by itsself.
      We all muslims believe on equity. EVery muslim is same. I have seen in news brahamn killed lot of shoodra just because he took bath in brahmans bathroom.

      In Islam every one is equal. We all can go to any mosque we want to .

      Now analyze by yourself, Which religion is giving better teaching and which not.
      and stop believing in those wars too which are mentioned in nahabhartha and other books becoz u urself are not accepting the authenticity of those books. whether accept it totally or dont. You can not jus pick some of your favourite lines and if some thing written goes wrong against you, you start saying its been changed what a joke???
      I m damn sure your heart agrees with me its just your ego who stopping you to accept the truth

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      • @Waqas

        Its is not the admin, something is wrong with ur browser, either restart ur computer or use another browser, I had the same problem too, but it worked after using a diff browser.

    • @Waqas

      winning me in a debate, have u learnt to lie like zakir bhai, you have not even refuted my points so how the hell have u won me?

  31. @Waqas

    Waqas, u seem to laugh alot but remmeber the one who laughs alot also cries alot at the end.
    I thought zakir naik only debates popular personality. I have never heard of rashmi bhai prior to watching his debate with zakir. Even if u google search or wikipedia, u wont find out about rashmi bhai. Even william campbell, i hardly heard of him.

    the only personaltiy is ravi shankar, show me how did he lose the debate as far as i remmeber there was not decision or verdict……zakir spokr 1 hour ravi spoke then zakir speaks about ravi then ravi speaks about zakir then question answer session, where was the win lose decision?

    zakir naik only likes live debates and arya samaj even challenged him, I have proof, i can send u the link.

    but ali sina thot that zakir mite have muslim terrorists behind him so he felt insecure for a public debate besides, a 2 hour debate is not enough, so that is why he turned it down. THen i can say the same for zakir that y isnt he accpeting a written debate.

  32. @Waqas

    Waqas, again ur relating illogical stuff to the argument, if a poor man steals to feed him self thats moral. But, if a man chooses to leave islam, he wil become a kafir, agree?
    then he will still continue to be friendly with u, but the only difference is that hes no longer muslim, and I think his punishment should be left on GOD, but if GOD himself commands u to murder him or her, I think its stupid. Laws are only good to certain extent. But Waqas, think from ur heart, can this be right? God forbid, but suppose ur muslim friend tomarrow converts to christ or hinduism, but he still continues to respect u and love u, will u be stupid enough to go kill him, just because u follow the stupid law of the quran? Im sorry but ur answer again doesnt impress me, and no need to try, I have asked this question to many muslims either they walked away or they give non moral stupid justiffications like wot ur doing. No one has impressed me. The truth is that is law is stupid and insane and cannot be a word of GOD.

    u still havent justified the slave sex for me. Again I doubt ull be able to justify that.

    • @Waqas

      this anology of brahmins coming from the head and shudra from feet doesnt mean iterally. The problem with u is u dont understand the symbolism of the verse. The head is the highest part of our body and feet the lowest. So, this verse shows that being a brahmin is the highest noble professoin, then being a warrior. It is like a ladder which a shudra has to climb. SO the professions are ranked by its nobiltiy. Just like how a doctor is more of a noble profession than a factory worker. similarly in that sense. So no one can directle become brahmin, one has to be shudra first and gain knowledge and work up his way. This is just like a student entering skool, then he completes his graduate studies, and finally PHD. He has gone of the ladder. This caste system is not meant to discriminate people like the way evil people are doing or another misconception is that one can only be a brahmin if his dad is. Thats false, one shudra is freee to do anything. ANd all brahimins kshatriyas, vaishays and shudras are equal in humanity and for GOD. But people discriminated them and made this evil caste system when it is only a task chart.

  33. Dear Brother, There has been no deletion of any comment from admin side. There was however a change in template used for comments, and hence you may be searching for your comments at a wrong destination. Kindly look if you posted them somewhere else. In worst case, you can post them again. The last post from you in system is dated 2010/03/02 at 3:09 AM. We keenly await your comments.

  34. @Waqas

    And what about shivaji, go look up history of shivaji who scared the shit oout of aurengazib and made him piss his pants. Aurengasib was a moghal with massive army and still shivaji and his diciples managed to put an end to this moghal gay empire. SO please get ur facts straight. Aurengazib sucked shit and even his son betrayed him cus he knows his dad is a useless piece of garbage.

  35. @ Vik..

    Brother..
    Its a waste of time to argue with the fanatics like Waqas who support Killing of the person who leaves a religion and says that in Islamic court its valid..
    Look at Waqas's comments.. he said : "but if a person say crow is white how can i explain that idiot its not black its white…."
    See this is what he is doing..
    First Zakir ji said that crow is white..
    Now This guy is explaining us that "Idiot its not black.. its white"…

    Look at his comment again!!! LOL

  36. @ Waqas..
    You said : "ill be back soon with scientific errors in Vedas. Be ready for that …"

    Before looking into Scientific errors in Vedas.. please go through your own books(Quran, Hadiths…etc)

    1000 mistakes and contradictions in Quran..
    http://www.1000mistakes.com/1000mistakes/index.ph…

    Scientific errors in Quran..
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SKM/contradi…

    Contradictions in Quran..
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra

    Quran & Science ..
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/quran/quran-science%2…

  37. @Waqas

    show me a single verse in Vedas, Waqas, in sanskrit not english translation, that autenticates the caste system and tells us to respect brahmins and abuse shudras….I challenge u on this, if u cant provide evidence, then just shut up on this matter. Brahimins, kshatriyas, are just professions listed by GOD. Anyone can be them, and shudras are like fresh fish on the boat, they have to advance themselves towards being a brahmin, kashtria or vishya. So, no one is born brahmin or kshtriya, everyone is born shudra. THe whole analogy, of brahmins being born from the head and shudras being born from feet doesnt mean in terms of humanity. IT means in terms of the most noble deed. The highest noble profession is brahman, but a person who is a brahmin in terms of humanity is equal to a shudra. But as time went on, people never took this and they did the opposite.

  38. @Waqas

    Waqas, the truth is that Quran was written by a bunch of rabage dogs (arabs) and not GOD. Otherwise, GOD would not tell u to murder apostles and enslave women in order to have sex with them. Why would GOD supply 72 whoors or virgins in heaven? Did GOD train u on earth to take care of 72 virgins. Guys cant handle 7 girls these days……how will u handle 72.

    One more thing Waqas, Allah sits on a throne, is Allah that weak that he needs a suport of a throne, since allah sits on the throne, logically this shows the throne is bigger than allah (why this contradiction, Waqas?)

    Waqas, listen, we dont have to respect the quran, but u shuld respect Vedas since its the book of ur ancestors.

  39. @ Waqas…

    You are quoting all non sense from unauthentic scriptures….
    If you believe that these unauthentic scriptures are correct …

    Then Read this article…:

    Prophet Muhammed was a reincarnation of Demon Tripurasur :

    http://bvml.org/tmi/SS_bpatpm.html

    you should believe in this also!!!

  40. @Waqas

    Waqas, please give me quotes from Vedas only because according to me they are the only truth. ANd please give me regular sanskrit quotations since there are many inccorrect english translations out there. The best english quotations are from Arya Samaj, so if u want to give me english Vedic quotes then only arya quotes not some stupid western translations

  41. @R-H

    brother R-H, ur answer is half right half wrong, u are right in the sense that brahmins, warriors,etc
    are classes of profession, not castes, but ur wrong when u say brahmins are born from gods head and shudras from feet. THis whole thing is a myth, GOD is formles no vedic verse says that brahmins are born from GOD's head and shudra's feet. Please read the article posted on this site called "There is no caste system in Vedas" and all of ur doubts be clear.

    • @ Vik…

      Thanks brother..
      I read the article "There is no caste system in Vedas" by Agniveerji …

      Now all my doubts got answered…

  42. @Waqas

    Waqas, ramayan was a historic epic, i dont understand y are u bring this in. There were many agrreements and disagreement i had with ram and raavan. Ramayan is like a story for people to learn things from, but no one lives by it. I told u before tooo Waqas, this is a Vedas site so please talk of Vedas only. I bleev in Ramayan means I liked some of its teachings but it doesnt mean one should live by them. For example, polygamy is supported by islam and unsupportd by hinduism according to Vedas. In ramayan, rams dad had 3 wives. He went against Vedic recommendations and eventually led to his destruction. THis is a moral telling us humans that one shoudlnt do polygamy. Besides this sita stuff, is not a law for us to follow its just a story to teach us. So please talk of Vedas only with acurate explanations, and i dont want ur translations of Vedas, only the ones done by arya will be accepted.

    • Arya can you put some light on…since Vedas are very old is is possible that all the revelation of it are kept good,meaning dont you think its lost by time I heard that only 1% of veda is left as of now and the rest is lost by the time.. let me know.

      Thanks,

  43. @Waqas

    Waqas, I agree a person should be punished for commiting a crime according to its law. But Logically the punishment should make sense too. There are many countries with whom I disagree with their law punishments.

    So, if a person steals he should be put behind bars. If a person murders, since that mudered person cannnot come back the murderer deserves a severe punishment like a death sentence. but u cant give someone a death punishment for steal somthing it will be illogical. Every punishment should make sense acccording to its crime.

    I am not against the islamic law. I agree islam has the right to punish someone, for a paricular crime. But I am against the punishment given to a person for leaving islam. I stongly think a person should not pay by his her life for such minor crime even if ur religion means alot to u. THis is a sick punishment and out of logic. We hindus in our Veds dont hav such punishment? Do we? We are only told to kill criminals and terrorists that are a threat to society. But if a person leaves islam, how is he she threatening………..this is a stupid defence and logic…..So again Im sorry but u failed to justify this and sex of slavery.

  44. @Waqas..

    Quoting wrong things in our scripture does not make you win the debate…

    You must give justification for the evil things in your scriptures!!

    you said : "May Allah help you to choose the correct path. .."
    Allah has already helped us..
    we are in correct path only by not falling into the trap of Allah..

  45. @VIK and all other
    As far as books are concern, you want me read books of your own choice . LOL even Vedas you want me to read the translation of your pigs arya samaj. I know all these books are crap ramayan mahabhartha missimuroto purana every thing is full of crap big time bullshit and full of lie and false imaginary stories. but why i say you have a double standard because if in this book something matches your agreement you say thats fine if it does not you say it has been adulterated.
    how is it possible Sita was kidnapped and was not raped yea i agree she was not raped she willingly had sex with Raavan and i think thats why Ram asked her to prove her innocence.
    Kali maa statue of a naked lady and people sacrifice their virgin daughters on her

    • I can say the same thing about koran and hadith. Quote,” every thing is full of crap big time bullshit and full of lie and false imaginary stories.” Unquote. Prove me koran and hadith is not crap.

      Your self appointed prophet, had sex with a 6 year old girl, ayesha, young enough to be his daughter, so he was paedophile child molestor. Beti chod.

      he also had sex with his daughter in law, zainab, so he was bahu chod.
      BAHU AUR BETI CHOD.
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  46. @SDC
    you are stupid and fool . You dont have manners how to do a debate. you just used a word with Allah cant i use word with your lords??????????????I am only going to reply you last time i will never ever reply you again. You said if only one sect is going to Jannah Why Allah made 72 sects . You tell me why your god cantg protect his own books like miimuri purana mahabhartha ramayan . You tell me If Brahman has the highest profession and most noble persons Why they they kill shoodra's these days if a shoodra take a bath or try to enter in their temple since your colleagues are admitting that happening but say its not mentioned in Vedas and God does not permit to do so, SO you tell me why are they doing so ??? i could ve said if god did not permit that why he does not stop Brahman doing so. You will never be able to justify. our debate here is about scriptures not about hindu's or muslims and your brain is too young for this debate. So please stay out if even if you wont i will never your comments again what ever you write

  47. @waqar, sri sri ravishankar withdrew those books coz' he realized that you fools would not be able to comprehend it…you people simply can't understand the meaning of peace and tolerance, how can you comprehend that book , Man!!! and as far as the book by that Fakir nayak is concerned, i agree that it sold millions of copies and continuing to do so…Boss, india has hordes of madarsaa-bred semi-literates like you , so obviously they will buy them..and since your strategy of womb to womb infection continues, more and more prints will be publised in the near future…all in the hope of those 72 prostitutes ..ha ha h a
    And yes, we are not cowards since we don't send terrorists to kill innocent civilians as your govt. has been doing since last 20 yrs. we screwd you in 1947, 1965, 1971,1999. but its really difficult to straighten the Dog's tail…and yes in one of your blogs you mentioned that if not you then Inshallah china will conquer us….Why??? You don't have that much of strength in your circumcised dick that you want china to do that!!!!

  48. @agniveer,vik,R-H,
    Brothers, these muslims are the victim of identity crisis and inferiority complex. They know they are converts and their ancestors were all hindus. So in order to prove that they are the real muslims , they keep on doing these things. Look at the bull shit logics that he has given. ……..

    you said you are disagree with many of other country's law system. Who are you? who do you think you are? who are you to disagree with other country's law system?? If death sentence is given for a person who smuggles cocaine in sigapore by sitting in india who are you to object? are you more patriotic singaporian than those the constituency of Singapore. You say see our Vedas does not allow to kill if a person leaves Hinduism. Being an indian can you ask singapore to change his law. Singapore has its own people they can choose the fate of their own country. Can india ask Singapore to change his law because India is not following that law. I asked you about your country Why indian law gives punishment to a bookie since In UK USA etc its not a crime at law. even if you object wih your indian law and you do that crime do you really think by objecting this you can survived??? J

    ha ha ha . Really these are typical madarsaa bred- literates. so lets not waste our time arguing with him.. look he even promised that he won't comment again…but as i said..you really can't straighten the Dog's tail.

    • Brother as u dont need to prove ur dad that u r his own son in the sam mannaer we dont need to prove our self as muslim because we ere born muslim and insllah will die as a muslim

      • @ salman
        Hi bro your are giving Zakir Naik 2+2 = 4 logic.
        Everyone is born to a father that’s logic.
        Everyone born to a religion that’s illogical. We choose or forced to choose a religion.

        Why born muslim and not born christian, pagan, buddhist, hindu etc??

  49. @Waqas

    Listen, islam only grows due to the birthrate of muslims babies. An average muslim couple has 6 babies. i know a family who has 11 kids. Now when u have crazy figures like this obviously the peoplulation will go up. Well the problem is many muslims countries have banned non muslim content for example faith freedom is banned in pak and saudi arabia, because muslims are scared that islam will be exposed and people will leave it. That shows their confidence as muslims.

    • @VIK
      Show me the reference where you get this statistics from . I told you i got it from Guinnes you tell me where did you get this statistics from ????
      By doing a personal attack on me by callin me sick and fool you cant make yourself right . In the presence of all hindus here you can support their arguments and they can yours but it does not mean you are saying right.
      Ok where are those video . i wanna see them where arabs killed Iranian . ????????
      looks like you would bring Hindus back look like a joke to me . The stats i gave you i also told you the refernces but you always give baseless evidence.You have not uploaded the debate of your pigs arya samaj and allies of zakir naik???? i know you will never be able to but still asking

    • 1. So now you shifted from pig to ass. I do not understand if you have special hatred or love for these innocent animals that you keep including one animal or other in your language.

      2. Thanks for appreciating my website design and note-taking abilities. I believe if Muslims also start taking notes of Zakir's lectures and Quran, they would be able to reject a lot of trash through internal contradictions.

      3. Can you provide reference to which edition of Guiness book states the claims you are making. And does it state that highest number of people convert to Islam. Please provide web site link or page number and edition.

      4. By Indian Health system I implied Ayurveda, Yoga and Pranayam. Even the islamic namaz is derived from traditional Vajrasana practices.

      5. Well China and Japan are much closer to Vedas through Buddhist route. In fact Buddhism is yet another branch of Vedic culture. Read the texts and beliefs and you would find line by line adoption of Vedic texts.

      6. If 92% believe something very strongly but still do not follow it, it means either external pressure or fear or deserving the name of animals that you keep using in your language. Hindus do not believe in religion in the sense Muslims believe. Hindus believe in humanity more than anything and everything else is secondary. So Hindu religion and humanity are synonymous. It is only the arabic perverts who believe that blind faith in one particular book and eplilepsy patient alone is passport to paradise of virgins, else burn in hell forever.

      Anyways, hope you would show me from Quran and Hadiths, how do you justify the use of pig and ass in your language. Is it halal? If not, you would also be our partners in hell for defying Islam

      • i know by using these words dumbass and pig i am not doing a right thing i just want you to feel the pain of those words. Over here your vedic brother call me and my nation bastards did you ever ask them that why do they use this language ? did you ask them if these are in their vedas?? you never asked them thats what shows you are biased toward your hindu brothers. talha and arya havind debate i never interfered in their debate. As far as refernce is concern Guinnes world recirds 2006 edition 2007 edition 2008 edition 2009 edition the chapter of religion and you would get your all answers.
        Now you are saying Buddhist is route of vedas you dont even blieve in the authenticity of your own books ramayan , mahabhartha missmurity purana . you all say it has been adulterated so just in order to point score you started connecting yourself with Buddhist.
        Did you ask for the justification from your hindu brothers who used word like dog bastard pervert etc In vedas. ??????
        At least 92 percent strongly believe in the authenticity of their own religion. Look at you religion 50 percent that means half . Who do you want me to belive you 50 percent or the rest 50 percent. I know you would ask for the refernce too go to gallop survey web site and you would have your answers.
        You tell me 50 percent people of your religion belive the authenticity of Hinduism, do you really think all 50 percent live thier lives the way its written in vedas. before pointing some one you should see your own home first .

  50. @SDC
    i thought not to reply you but as i said you have a small brain and it proved right.
    Let me explain you in simple way again as i said we are here to hindu and muslim scriptures not hindus and muslims. whatever a hindu does not mean its in Vedas as the same whateever a muslim does, does not mean its in Quran.
    now you asking me sunni shia kill each other. does that mean its in Quran ??
    even if brahman killed shoodra's and still killing .did ur god ask brahman to kill shoodra's or its in your vedas .???? now i m pasting a link showing hindus killing christians so tell my where in vedas your god has asked you to do so
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIZM9hAoKfM
    i think if you will have a little bit sense you will not reply

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