- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – An analysis (Part 1)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Bhavishya Puran (Part 2)
- Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Vedas (Part 3)
- Introduction to Hinduism (edited with comments)
- ‘Concept of God in Hinduism’
- FAQ on Hinduism – IITian thrashes Zakir Naik
- Polygamy in Hinduism
- Sita’s Agnipariksha in Ramayan
Immediately after I published my analysis of Dr Zakir Naik’s views on Hinduism, I started receiving hate mails. However I also received a soft-copy of another book of his “Answers to Non-Muslims’ Common Questions about Islam”. This is another masterpiece of his sophism. I have already glimpsed through videos of his lectures where he recites this book line by line. Many rebuttals of this book are already available.
However what perturbed me, was another set of misconceptions he attempts to breed regarding Hinduism through his self-proclaimed research. I can understand why Dr Zakir Naik has to spend so much space discussing Hinduism in an article on Muslims, and so much space discussing Islam in an article on Hinduism (See in FAQ on Hinduism)! This apparent confusion emerges from the fact that in current political, social and cultural situation, 80 crore Hindus form the most ideal conversion ground for Islamic Research Foundation. Peace TV managed by Dr Zakir Naik even announced this a few months ago that they would make Hindustan a Darul-Islam in next 5 years.
Further, many Muslims believe in a prophecy that once India is conquered, only then would Jesus Christ come again and will bring end of the world. After that, Judgment Day would happen and they will go to Paradise to have their virgins and luxuries forever! The lure is too tempting for the uncultivated mind to drop all sense of reasoning!
In this article, I shall cover the first question he addresses – POLYGAMY.
Dr Zakir Naik has tried to prove that Hinduism is inherently a polygamous religion. He states on Page 4 of the book:
“The Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.
Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives.”
He continues giving some census data from sources best known to him alone that polygamy is more popular among Hindus than Muslims.
I shall not dwell into what Polygamy means in Islam of Zakir Naik – whether marrying 4 wives in total in entire life, or keeping the total number of existing wives at 4 by divorcing old ones as one marries new ones, or having special provision of 9/11/16/++ for those having revelations, or permitting marriage with babies, or whether keeping unlimited slaves and not counting them as legal wives and thus skewing census data. These issues have been dealt with by a large number of people including women-rights organizations, Muslim reformers and ex-Muslims worldwide. Internet lists a large number of such reference sources that you can google upon.
The focus of this article would be explode the myth that “according to Hindu scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes.”
POLYGAMY IN VEDAS
We start with the Vedas because Vedas are considered the foremost authority in matters of Dharma.
1. There is no single mantra in the entire 4 Vedas that even give a hint of supporting more than one wife or more than one husband.
2. Three mantras of Rig Veda, 1.124.7, 4.3.2 and 10.71.4 contain “Jaayeva Patya Ushatee Suvaasaah”. This means that knowledge comes to the scholar in same manner as a dedicated joyous wife comes only to her husband. “Jaaya” means wife and “Pati” means husband. Both appearing in singular implies that only one husband-one wife relation is considered ideal.
3. Rigveda 1.3.3 states that God is like a dedicated wife with high character and purity. This also implies that monogamy alone is considered ideal.
4. Rigveda 10.149.4 compares love between God and devotee like that between dedicated wife and husband. Both “Jaaya” meaning wife and “Patim” meaning husband are used in singular number implying strict monogamy.
5. Rigveda 10.85.20 appeals a bride to expand happiness for her husband. Again both husband and wife are referred in singular.
6. Rigveda 10.85.23 appeals to wife and husband to always have self-control. Its obvious from reference to self-control and singular numbers for both wife and husband that monogamy alone is recommended.
7. All mantras relating to marriage are addressed in dual number to a couple of husband-wife implying one wife for husband and one husband for wife. Some examples are Rig Veda 10.85.24, 10.85.42, 10.85.47 and almost entire 14th Chapter of Atharva Veda which deals with subject of marriage. Most mantras pray for faithful relation for entire life-time.
Please note that Sanskrit has a dual number apart from singular and plural, specifically to remove this confusion that people may have.
8. In Atharva Veda 7.35.4 both husband and wife state that, “You establish me in your heart so that our minds become one and same.”
9. In Atharva Veda 7.38.4, wife says that “You should only be mine. You should not even discuss about other women.” What can be a more clear prohibition of polygamy than this!
10. Atharva Ved 3.30.2 and 14.2.64 also appeal husband and wife to be devoted and faithful to each other.
11. Perhaps Veda provider Ishwar knew that despite all this, some self-proclaimed experts may still find reasons to justify polygamy. Thus certain mantras in Vedas describe demerits of Polygamy.
– Rig Veda 10.105.8 compares existence of multiple wives with multiple worldly miseries.
– Rig Veda 10.101.11 states that a man with two wives is pressed from both sides and weeps like a horse that neighs when pressed from both sides by spokes while driving a chariot.
– Rig Veda 10.101.11 state that two wives make life aimless.
– Atharva Veda 3.18.2 prays that may a woman never face threat of another co-wife.
12. The only mantra that skeptics try to give in favor of polygamy in Vedas is Rig Veda 8.19.36 that contains “Vadhoonaam” and “Satpati” words. However, “Vadhoo” does not mean bride here and instead means powers that provide happiness. “Satpati” means protector of good, just as “Bhoopati” means protector of earth. This is also evident from the Devata or Key subject of the Sukta in which this mantra comes – prayers for charity and donation (Daanastuti). The mantra means that Ishwar gives variety of powers to those who protect truth and good.
POLYGAMY IN RAMAYAN
While it is admitted that Dashrath practiced polygamy, but the essence of entire Ramayan is that polygamy leads to troubles. The polygamy of Dashrath is considered to be the cause of trouble and grief that everyone faced. Ram is considered “Maryada Purushottam” or the “Ideal Man” because he re-established the Vedic norm of monogamy. Same was followed by all his brothers.
POLYGAMY IN MAHABHARAT
By the time of Mahabharat, the moral values of society had declined a lot. Thus none of the characters, apart from Krishna, is considered exemplary in Mahabharat. And that is exactly the reason why Krishna has been targeted the most for character assassination by a variety of forces.
Mahabharat is an extremely adulterated text and is not taken as authentic in totality. The original text was much smaller and over a period of time it expanded to include a lot of things. Unlike Vedas, there was no mechanism to stop adulterations from it. However a close analysis easily exposes that certain popular stories in Mahabharat are pure myths. I give a list here:
a. Krishna was wedded to none except Rukmini. The myth of 16000 wives came from a story where he liberated 16000 captive girls from Narkasur. The story itself is questionable. Further the story never states that Krishna married 16000 girls. It says he protected them, which is true if story is correct. had Krishna married 16000 of them, it would have taken him more than 10 years even at rate of 4 marriages a day as per the prevailing rituals!
b. Krishna was so strictly disciplined that he observed complete Brahmacharya for 12 years before planning to be a father. That is why Krishna is such a role model for entire society. The narrator of Geeta had no time for anything except nation-building in those testing periods.
c. Krishna never had any love-games with any Gopi. These are figments of imaginations which got popular during dark age of foreign rule when rulers of small states indulged in wasteful enjoyments after accepting supremacy of foreign rulers. Further the whole story of Radha is a figment of imagination. It exists only in Brahma Vaivart Puran which is another unscrupulous book like Bhavishya Puran that insults legends like Krishna and Ram. The concept of Radha grew popular only in very recent times during dark age of India when rulers of princely states were busy only in considering themselves Krishna incarnate and indulging into lustful activities by demeaning just a legendary Brahmachari character! Mahabharat does not contain these.
Please read this excellent article by Dr Satya Pal Singh, Police Commissioner of Police, Pune: Lord Krishna – Lord Krishna – an enlightening personality
POLYGAMY IN GENERAL
While polygamy was practiced by certain rulers at various points in time, it was restricted only to ruling class and never became a mainstream in larger population. That is why Hindus had no discomfort or objection to formal introduction of monogamy as a law after independence.
All the great legends of Hinduism, whom many consider to be near God, were purely monogamous or brahmachari- Vishnu, Shankar, Ram, Lakshman, Bharat, Shatrughna, Hanuman and Krishna.
Thus it is a gross myth that Hinduism accepts Polygamy.
On contrary, Vedas are unambiguous over recommendation of monogamy alone. The same has been the trend for general population and our role models.
If there is any philosophy that condemns polygamy and specifically demands monogamy, it is the Hindu Dharma based on noble precepts of Vedas.
Addendum:
On an additional note, I would like to address a few sophism that Dr Zakir Naik indulges into to justify polygamy:
1. Naik – Average life span of women is more than that of men.
By this logic, polyandry (one wife- multiple husband) should be allowed. Because, on average, one wife would require more than 1 husband to cover her entire life!
2. Naik – World female population is more than world male population.
This contradicts previous point. If one looks at 2008 data of World Population as published by UN Statistics Division, there are 2% more males than females in the world! The same is also true for marriageable age discarding children and elders. Does he recommend Polyandry now?
3. Before we get further, let us also look at the countries with worst gender ratio. You can view the list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio
The table has facility to sort by fields. What we observe is that the top 9 countries with more men than women are all Muslim countries. Stricter the Islamic Law, more adverse the gender ratio. There are 2.74 times more men in UAE and 2.46 times in Qatar. India and Pakistan are also is not far off with their significant Muslim population!
4. Naik – Muslim women in due faith could bear a small personal loss to prevent a greater loss of letting other Muslim sisters becoming ‘public properties’.
We just saw the data above. Does Dr Naik recommend the inverse now?
5. In civilized societies like Vedic Dharma, each women apart from one’s wife is viewed as mother, by default. The basic rule is “Matrivat Paradaareshu – All except wife are like my mother”. That is why the question of someone becoming public property does not arise. In wars, legends like Shivaji would bow to imprisoned women and call them mother! And in a society that respects women, the question of adverse gender ratio does not arise as is happening in conservative Muslim countries.
6. What is important is use of word “property” for women. Dr Naik recommends that polygamy enables women to be private property rather than “public property” at small personal loss. This small loss is a great insult to entire womanhood. If sharing of husbands is haram, why is sharing of wife merely a small personal loss? Vedas do not discriminate at all between men and women and provide them equal rights and privileges in all matters including marriage.
Next he lists 4 reasons why polygamy is permitted but polyandry is not permitted:
a. This will help identify father of the child!
(But now we have DNA testing available!)
b. Man by nature is more polygamous!
(What is the proof for this except that polyandry is stoned to death? Is this not a ploy to insult entire womanhood by justifying polygamy?)
c. It is biologically difficult for women to be polyandrous and rear children!
(This is again another shameless reason to justify keeping multiple wives and concubines, in name of religion and social service!)
d. High chance of acquiring sexual disease!
(On contrary, medical science proves that it is women who are more susceptible to contract such diseases from polygamous men than vice versa. Being a medical student sometime, Dr Naik should have verified at least this much before publication. Or perhaps he never got a chance to practice or get back to medical books!)
Wise can decide themselves the mentality of this admirer of Osama bin Laden.
In summary, Polygamy is a malpractice, quite aptly condemned by the Vedas. Hinduism guided by Vedas and its role models has always emphasized on monogamy and self-control as the only way for humans.
Efforts to justify polygamy, through whatever reasons, is an insult to entire womanhood.
May such deviant minds introspect and come into the shade of Vedas. May they inculcate feeling of respect for entire Matru-Shakti.
This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/4982/polygamy-hinduism-hi/
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@ SDC
Heyy Daddy, its time to take a big dodo (and get the hell out of here).
LOL how come you know so well about lice? Ooouupss I forgot, India of course LOL.
@Javed,
Hell exists only as per Quran… not as per veda.so it may be someone of the believers will have to get to the “HELL” Out of this “WORLD” 🙂
@Angel/Javed/Noor,
now that we have stalwarts of ISLAM and staunch defenders of logical QURAN in the arena, i just hope that someone will calarify one of the many contradiction i found in quran, so that we may move on to the next.
N.B Please do go thought the discourse between a myself and a muslim friend(s) so that i do not have to encounter the same strawman arguements ..
started here
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21082
then went on here
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21124
and the discussion met a dead end here when the individual defending ISLAM and QURAN stopped responding (dont know why) though she/he continued responding to SDC
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21380
Ten-hut!! Officer Big Daddy on deck. Big Daddy is here to stay and set the rules, naughty babies. BTW, Big daddy beats the shit out of insolent scums. Try me, poor souls. Also, this is an infidel domain, you need to take your sorry ass out of here, half-wit.
And where are you from? The lands where they use odd number of stones to wipe their stinking behinds, huh.
@ Ankur
yes of course, who gonna put you in Hell after all? your Bhagwan? when he himself is produced by human beings, so you can’t expect him to build hell. Huhhuh…in fact am a bit confused, who is the creates whom after all…???
fow can allah keeeps attention on earth as he himself busy in running prostitution in his brothel paradise full of nude virgins where ur prophet is enjoying unlimited sex
Dude open your eyes if today terrotrism exist then it is just because islam i do agree with brother rehan, you peoples mind has washed nicely and defintely rehan is a differetn species………..
@Javed
this kind of conversation does not interest me.. lets get serious, can you explain why Allah’s verbatim Quran contradictis itself at 2:136 and 5:51, so that you are not to your usual illogical al-taqqia check this before responding and the earlier muslim frnd just eloped without a trace when i insisted.(can go throug that trail as well)
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21124
*i meant to say “who creates whom afterall?”
@ SDC
all these filthy conception and ideas of yours will only give you good sleep at night, so i will not discourage you old man. take good care of yourself huhhh..and like we adviced you to take care of your country first my dear.,
I think there is no point extending this stale conversation any further. Adios.
Dude open your eyes if today terrotrism exist then it is just because islam i do agree with brother rehan, you peoples mind has washed nicely and defintely rehan is a differetn species………..
hahaha…when you cannot answer a simple question, then you turn the page to terrorism???
foolsss you are indeed. then you admit the fact that you produce your own Gods??? wahahahaha..IDIOTS
and in your hindi film they say “i challenge you Ram, i will prove you wrong” , “i swear that i will never worship you if you marry me with this man”
huhhh bloody idiots, challenging your own God, criticizing him and what did you expect other religion to do??? worship the one which you reject???hahahahaha… when you yourself can’t give respect to your God, do not explain things to us..you should try to zip it up,,or you’ll find others put you in your right places.
@Javed – If you are so wise than go shout Allah hu akbar and blow yourself up. Jihadi pricks!
Dude, till now you have not asked me, any simple question, like this you are just trying to ignore my question, any way still your eyes are close, hope to see it open someday
they worship him , so they talk to them
even if i say i challenge oh allah, i’ll prove you wrong thjen what is wroong in this,
ohh god please save this world from such morons, and undeveloped brains……
hello if islam could be a real religion the your allah could have stopped terrorism long back,
but this is not your problem , still i believe your mind has washed nicely, but please try to accept the truth……….
@ Aryan :
what made you think that am afraid to say ‘Allahu Akbar’?
i do not have to take permission to do so..in fact on every thing i do at work or anywhere i say Allahu Akbar.
hahaha infact you shall be shocked with whatever am going to tell you, even other religions here says Allahu Akbar and Ameen.
only fools like you do not understand the message..
The report of the ‘Committee of The Status of Woman in Islam’, published in 1975 mentions on page numbers 66 and 67 that the percentage of polygamous marriages between the years 1951 and 1961 was 5.06% among the Hindus and only 4.31% among the Muslims. According to Indian law only Muslim men are permitted to have more than one wife. It is illegal for any non-Muslim in India to have more than one wife. Despite it being illegal, Hindus have more multiple wives as compared to Muslims. Earlier, there was no restriction even on Hindu men with respect to the number of wives allowed. It was only in 1954, when the Hindu Marriage Act was passed that it became illegal for a Hindu to have more than one wife. At present it is the Indian Law that restricts a Hindu man from having more than one wife and not the Hindu scriptures.
At least, Hindu women has the right to to take recourse to legal remedies. Also, we have made progress but you still seem to be stuck somewhere in the middle ages.
How can polygamy be practiced in india when the male population is greater than female population contrary to other countries. do you know the reason why?
because female foetuses are aborted every year in this country. Perhaps you do not even know the happenings in your own country. so this practice is ok for you guys i guess?
i request all muslims that please do not indulge in any debate with these aryasamajis if u see them abusing Allah or prophet Muhammad s.a.w.
yeh log kisi ko bhi gali de saktein hain to Allah aur rasool ko agar koi gaali de to bardasht nahi karna chahiye, chunki yeh log internet par hain isliye humein hi yahan se chale jana chahiyye. yeh apas mein hi debate kar kar k bor ho jayeinge. aap note kar sakte ho ki jis article mein bhi musalmano ne comment nahi kiya wahan comment kitne kum hain.
is website par ban k liye poori koshish karein aur sathyarth prakash ka 14 samhullas parhein aur muslim area mein distribute karein taki agniveer k naam se kahin bhi koi activity ho to uska virodh bahut zabardast ho.
jahan bhi arya samaji milein unse poochein ki woh kiyun Allah aur rasool ko galiyan baktein hain?
inke khilaaf poore India mein muhim shuru karni hai.
par yahan comment na karein kahin gunehgaar na ho jayein? Ramzan ka khayal karein aur galiyun se door rahein use parhein bhi maat.
yahan aakar negative feelings aatein hain to ramzan mein is tarah ki websites se door reh kar quran k positive mahol mein rahein.
jitni deir yahan comment kareinge utni deir quran parhein ya kisi non-muslim ko islam k barein mein kuch bata dein.
shukriya
bhai tu bhi gita padh ho sakta hai , teri aankhein khul jaye
and ya please non-muslim ko yeh sab mat sunana, aur gali sunoge…..
@Angel : did you even read the article before you started your rheotric and conclusion that hindu scripture (veda) supports polygamy ? , tipical indoctrinated behaviour, so pathetic.
Fine. If you could be kind enough to enlighten us about the male-female ratio of Islamic countries.
@All Dharmic people/visitors,
Request you to go through agniveer website articles thoroughly and then engage the Malecchas ; we can clearly seen the TERRORIST and TOTALITARIAN mentatlity of these people by reading the comment of this puny headed creation here( and this is what all free and logical people must discourage and engage )
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22103
hahahaha,,,just hear that..poor fellows out here…you are not aware of all these situations in your own country, but they see “faults” in our religion hahaha. at least women in islam knows their position, where they stand, not like you who shows women to treat their own husband as God. well what can be expected more when you treat every thing, even rocks as God,..huhhh…in fact we are far better, unlike your gods who’ve got several wives, huhhh,,he was very romantic hummm to have so many wives..
Islam is too much powerful,. Muslims lives in every corner of this world. Ending islam is not your cup of tea as Allah already challenged all those before you that He gonna preserve this religion.
@ Javed
LoL…heyy they do not understand simple straight things damn it…even animals do understand repeated things,
hats of to the educational system in india, can really produce these species LOL,,,i’ve talked with many people around the world but never found beast like these…
Poor chap, when they can’t understand something in the Qur’an, they better not inquire to know more because due to their lack of intelligence, they going to have further problems in understanding. They should try to drink milk with almonds, it can help them in great ways !
and our patience do have a limit poor souls, we can’t waste any longer time with brats trying to make them understand in the simplest way possible.
By the way that was a clear view of the citizens of India,indeed the newspapers revealed everything true, i used to think otherwise..
@maria, i agree with u but it is not real face of india. indians are intelligent but these aryasamajis are real duffers because they are follower of moolshankar and satyarthprakash. you just read samhullas 14 of satyarth prakash and see the mental level of the great Hindu reformer.
it is better for a muslim to stay away from these sites because in the absence of any muslim’s reply these aryasamjis feel very bore and they themselves abstain from commenting here. it is we ‘muslims’ who are giving high popularity and interest to agniveer.com.
just stop commenting here.
@muslim, I repeat that better place to discuss islam is http://www.alisina.org, you are most welcome here.
@angels
thank you for condidering us a different species, becauge we are not fool like your ancestor to believe anything blindly , we do need a logic to believe any thing, and believe me darling as i study about islam i found it logic less, anyway you be happy with that, because we indian do not find mistake but try to see logic and fact, but a moron like you will definately not understand, this anyway you were talking about milk, so for your kind information every day i drink 2.5 litre milk, i think you need to improve your mind capabilty, every 3rd person in NASA is an Indian, so i dont think i needto show my intelligence to any one ,
bye and god bless you..
@angel
heyy they do not understand simple straight things damn it…even animals do understand repeated things,
ya, but we are not an animal like you people we need a solid reason to believe any thing, we are not fool like your ancestor,
hats of to the educational system in india, can really produce these species LOL,,,i’ve talked with many people around the world but never found beast like these…
Every 3rd person in nasa is an indian,but moron like you wiill not understand this,
you eat meat and we are beast what a joke darling, you first wash your mouth
Poor chap, when they can’t understand something in the Qur’an, they better not inquire to know more because due to their lack of intelligence, they going to have further problems in understanding. They should try to drink milk with almonds, it can help them in great ways !
there is nothing logical about it, we are not fool to believe anything blindly like you ,ya we will have problem if any religion teaches to to killone o=another and splits terrorism to the world, i use to drink 2 litre milkn everyday, you also start it will definately help you
believe me your mind has washed like this that you are not in position to think anything so get lost from here
@ Abhi
Terrorism is not islam.
other religions mixed with different cultures pretend to be islam.
Islam indeed approve Jihaad, but only when YOUR LIFE OR RELIGION IS IN DANGER.
Please do comprehend it.
@javed
i really appreciate it, but do you realyy want to say the people who are dieng for jihad as a terrorist they are not muslims
@ Angel
LOL…dear sis of faith, how the fast going on?
yeah hats off to their intelligence, but thats what their worth…
you should not have put yourself in this pit,
i suggest you leave this page, leave these poor monkeys, they are not fully conversant to their own surroundings and to their own scriptures and want to show us things,,they are pathetic.
Perhaps all muslims commenting here should come to http://www.alisina.org and debate on islam.
@Ali
Its a waste of time,even they know they can’t beat Ali sina. Instead they are scared of losing their faith in the process of deabting with him.
they have different Gods., the one they prefer the most is kept in the house, the other outside,
lo and behold, they even marry their Gods WOW.
they fight their Gods, they challenge it.
Poor cow is their God, and other religion kill it and consume its flesh, poor you, you can’t even save your “GOD”
to hell with you and your filthy conceptions.
Go to hell.
and i guess its the end of our conversations, i’ve got more precious things to do with other non muslims in my countries, how they reverting to islam, you should see you fools.
can’t waste my time with idiots of India.
See you in the Here-after, when i shall wave a hand at you all from paradise seeing you all burning into ashes in Hell.
by the way you shall burn here itself by your own beloved relatives when you die,,hahahaha
Bye you fools.
@ SDC
talking about rights of women in islam, then what do you have to say about this: Rig Veda, Book 8. HYMN XXXIII. Verse 17. Saci Paulomi.
—Indra himself hath said, The mind of woman brooks not discipline, Her intellect hath little weight.
huhhh trying to demean women in islam when the fact is that in your religion they di not value women.
you wanted to prove women inferiority compared to men intellectual capacity, here, in your own books its written, black on white..huhhh, throwing stones at others when your own house is of glass. At least in my book theres nothing as such.
and do not care to waste energy in replying because i wont be coming here again to read all your nonsense. i can see how your religion on the verge of extinction with followers like you all.
@angel
Do you know ABC of these Mantras which you are mentioning. I know the Mantra very well and daily recite them. Befor throwing you nonsense stuff do some study. Do not act like gullible man.
The fact of the matter is I am not an expert in Sanskrit. I have to rely on English translations. Now, if indeed there is such a verse that demeans the status of women, I condemn it. Would you be courageous and sagacious enough to denounce the Quranic verses that speak ill of women? You can choose to stay in an eternal state of denial if you so choose. In any case, I am not here to indulge in a “my d**k is bigger than your d**k” contest. It is just that I am fully convinced that Islam is definitely not the perfect guide for humanity as claimed by some fanatics.
@ muslim
yeah you are right dear, they are dumb ! weird like their bloody scriptures.
@Angel/muslim,
Talking about weird,illogical lets read the below Allah’ words
…And say forgiveness; and we will pardon you your sins, give an increase to the doers of good.” (2:58)
–Does not this Divine teaching encourage people to live sinful lives? Why should one fear sin when he is given the promise of redemption? He that gives such a promise cannot be God, nor can a book that inculcates such a doctrine be the Word of God. God can never do injustice, but if He pardons the sinners, He renders Himself unjust.
Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael – then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.(2:98)
— What kind of GOD has Enemies,after all he is the creator of all and everthing ; so much for a logical scripture..
Neither those who disbelieve from the People of the Scripture nor the polytheists wish that any good should be sent down to you from your Lord. But Allah selects for His mercy whom He wills, and Allah is the possessor of great bounty.(2:105)
–Allah show His special mercy to those who do/do not deserve it? If He does, He works great mischief, for all men will become indifferent to the practice of virtue. No one will then lead a virtuous life and hate sin, since His mercy depends upon His (arbitrary) will and not upon one’s deeds.
So much for a non weird God and his logic & justness, amazing
i just remembered of Quran 2:136 and Quran 5:51 for their amazing contradiction, i think Allah may have changed his mind…
for your aid and understanding
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-21124
@Noor: Now that they are gone. and you are here why dont you enlighten us with your spellbound logic(moon breaking with a finger logic 54: 1)
and why are referring yourself as a rock venerator, i understand kissing the black stone at mecca is not someting that you can help , but god almighty will forgive you for that..
besides you i dont see anyone on this forum who venerates rocks as we believe in the Veda, which teaches that is only one god and he does not need any messenger.
Taking your logic of numbers to prover Islam is better 🙂 : did you know that there were 24 Billion chickens in the world(in 2003)
and in 2012 there are about 2 billion Muslims in the world, so you see the “chicken religion is growing faster” and is better than Islam
@Ankur
“did you know that there were 24 Billion chickens in the world(in 2003)”.
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We are talking about religion not the growth rate of chickens. It’s like we are talking about weather and You are talking about food.
“chicken religion is growing faster” and is better than Islam”.
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Chickens have no faith. How quizzically you compared the growth rate of chickens with Islam.
@Maria (IslamicDefence): Islam as you would belive is a way a life , and chickens also have “only” one way of life so all chickens fall under that category , the whole point is ,taking the growth rate and numbers of Muslims in the world as a factor to prove that Islam is the truth is as pathetic and foolish as the “chicken analogy” that i have given.
@Ankur
Sorry your “chicken analogy” is unsuitable. Why? Because one should look at the reasons that “why the growth rate of something is increases or decreases”?
Definitely there’d be some reasons for that.
So, To know why the growth rate of chickens or Islamic population increases? You would have to look at the reasons. These are two different things , their reasons can never be same brother!
Your words;
“As your name suffix says you are here for Islam’s defence , so it really should not matter whethere i am an atheist, agnostic or vedic or a follower of any other ideology “.
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It should matter brother! when someone is talking about my Qur’an I’ll see he/she is bias or not – I’ll see my religion is getting a raw deal or not.
@Maria (IslamicDefence): if the believers of any ideology can believe in a finite action can result into a infinite result, then in that case the believers Mentality can be compared to that of a chicken as both of them are devoid of any critical thought(chicken by the nature of their birth) and the Muslim by the choice believing in a logically fallacy.
so in this case the Chicken Analogy holds good on the ground of the facts stated above.
Moreover you have already assumed i have a bias and did not respond to the logically fallacy of hell and heaven which supposedly as per you is a “Bias”
@Maria (IslamicDefence): well lets not drag the chicken Analogy further,why don’t your try to defend Islam logically on the issues that i have raised for the Quranic verses, after we are done maybe then we can decide on the right Analogy(if need be)
Here is pain to reply & to see the full reply. So please scroll down the page & then at the bottom u can see my post in response to your post thanks.
@Ankur
Your words:
“as we believe in the Veda, which teaches that is only one god and he does not need any messenger.”
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So you’re not an Agnostic but believe in Veda.
You say every philosophy of Islam should be proved without quoting from Qur’an. You talk about Quran-Muhammad & Muhammad-Qur’an circle.
So let me ask you a question;
Can a Vedic person prove every philosophy (Concept of hell, paradise, blah blah…) of Veda without quoting from Veda?
And I think it’s not possible. So Y you believe in Veda ,when you wanna proof without quoting from religious book?
But still you believe in Veda – Bias confirmation – Islam is getting a raw deal by you.
@Maria (IslamicDefence)
As your name suffix says you are here for Islam’s defence , so it really should not matter whethere i am an atheist, agnostic or vedic or a follower of any other ideology
I did not mean what you have understood by the point i put forward ,i meant that the quran should not be taken as to be true before hand when we are trying to prove the authenticity of the Quran itself, there is a Huge difference between what you have understood and what i have suggested.
There is no heaven or Hell as per veda, besides a scripture should not force any one to “believe” in things that can’t be logically substansiated or backed(like the concept of “eternal” Hell or heaven as a pushishemnt/reward for a “finite” lifetime, why would a finite action result in infine result? ) you see there exists a logical contradiction in the concept of Islamic afterlife, which is the backbone of Islam, and i did not have to Quote any scripture to do this besides i have never quoted from the veda.
Anything is impossible only as long as one does not know how to do the thing considered impossible.
moron wake up?
and try to see logic, spread love behave like a man with others……
they are all gone, can’t hear shits coming out from your mouths,,so stop barking like crazy dogs.
y may they feared like other terrorist and run back to there cave , islam teaces this to them, wonderfull darling whta else can be accepted from you people.
Indeed you all understand everything upside down LOL, never come across to such people, what do you all have for breakfast??? well this message is not for you guys, you don’t have intelligence, so how you expect to see logic? keep venerating rocks, theres great logic in that…fools!!!
well this morning i had aalloo parata, thanks to ask
hopefully may be you had some inncocent creature in your breakfast so, lovely,
are you a beast or what????
actually we are not running with lack of intelligence but its you who are unable to make your word clear, well our Veda always speak to forgive others, so have a gud luk.
By the way a small research can help you, just click on three major religions in terms of adherents and see where your place stands,, hinduism comes after islam,,,hinduism stands 4th or 5th position..
among the three major religions are Islam, Christianity and judaism,, you have enough sense to understand that.
you are not at fault because you’ve never looked outside the window,,you sensible fools thinks india is the only country where hinduism prevails,,,huhhhh..indeed what can be expected from idiots..islam has taken every corner of the world with its followers,,poor you dreaming with open eyes,,its often good, but it can prove disastrous when these dreams (eradicating islam) shatter..try to help the poor and needy of your own country, people dying of poverty and hunger, discrimination and so on…huhhh! Useless idiots, that is why the country is in a such state,.
If only you would let me know the country you hail from then I could extoll the virtues of your country and countrymen as well.
The bubble of Islam will burst in the same fashion as the bubble of crony capitalism did.
so the time islam started, it became world maojor religion, what rubbish are you talking darling.
ok then non of the religion other than islam have terrorist in all major religiongs, open your eyes and she the reality,
but i cant accept this with a moron like you
judaism is small because they were killed hinduism is 3rd largest and is growing everybody knows how islam grew same with christianity
i understand but i have a question why were king allowed to have many wives?
@hinduagnostic : Kings were having multiple wives because they wanted to .. but at the same time their having multiple wives by NO MEANS sets standards , it is against the veda and hence is “adharm”, if kings were involved in such activities, it does not make it right,just because the “King” did it.
Check the example of Maryada Purushottam Ram.
Are you a Hindu? Or an Agnostic?
Islam is the fastest growing religion because Islam provides the best way of life.
Islam is the religion of peace, however, non Muslims dont accept this FACT because of their Ignorance, they quote the verses out of their context without establishing the facts surrounding these.
People r condemning Islam but Allah is prevailing His Deen;
“And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh,
lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge.
Thus We have made fair seeming to each people its own doings;
then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.”(Qur’an, 6:108).
Islam is the most peaceful in the world I have seen -The solution to problems of humanity.
May Allah give hidayah to the ignorants. Amen!
@maria
Islam is the fastest growing religion because Islam provides the best way of life.
6000millon people every year leave islam, may be in your dream it is fastest growin religion,
islam is not at all peacefull religion, people accept it because of lack ok knowledge,
kill other can not be a god word, , but since chilhood your mind is nicely washed i know that,
so happy dream
@abhi, thanx for this information. but i am confused because 6000million peoples mean 600 crore and total muslims population is 120 crore ie persons leaving islam are 5 times more than total numbers of muslims exist in this world//// BTW how is it possible?
we have to make every person idol worshiper by hook or by crook..
@abhi
“6000millon people every year leave islam”.
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Can you give the source/link of this info? So that I can check it out.
“people accept it because of lack of knowledge”.
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Nah! People reject it because of lack of knowledge.
“kill other can not be a god word”.
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Qur’an doesn’t teach to kill innocents. Only this statement of yours shows that you have not enough knowledge what the Qur’anic verses really mean.
Islam is the fastest growing religion because Islam provides the best way of life.
Islam is the religion of peace, however, non Muslims dont accept this FACT because of their Ignorance, they quote the verses out of their context without establishing the facts surrounding these.
People r condemning Islam but Allah is prevailing His Deen;
“And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh,
lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge.
Thus We have made fair seeming to each people its own doings;
then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.”(Qur’an, 6:108).
Islam is the most peaceful in the world I have seen -The solution to problems of humanity.
May Allah give hidayah to the ignorants. Amen!
@Maria (IslamicDefence) For the fastest growing relegion check this
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22514 and would appreciate if you would shed some light on the comment above the said comment as well.coz none of the muslims brothers seem to have tha ability to explain
And We have certainly created you, [O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, “Prostrate to Adam”; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.7:11
why Alla hiself forced Iblees to commit shrik (bow to other than Allah) what was he thinking coz the pillar of Islam is bow to and worship only Allah.
@Ankur
That was not shirk , Allah ordered the angels to prostrate before him, honoring Allah’s glory and magnificence. They all considered that Allah is only the mighty power He created Adam, no one besides Allah can create such a being like Allah created. The angels all heard, obeyed and prostrated, but Iblis did not prostrate. In this world we cant prostrate to other than Allah because Allah have made this law. Any one if wanna change this law would be a sinner. Qur’an says we should avoid innovations in Islamic laws, the ones if try to innovate or exaggerate would be the inmates of Hell-fire. This is the Islamic law that we can’t prostrate other than Allah.
sansar me to sabse jyada suwar ka mans khaya jata hai , sharab v any nashile padarth sigret bidi, faishan, jahilta, kuriti, andh vishvas adi bahute teji se badh rahe hai tab kya inko bhi islam ki tarah achha man liya jaye ? batlaiye islam me kaun si maulik achhai hai , islam ko manne ka artha hai ek andh vishvas ko manna ? kurni allah kahate hai ki hamne dono hatho se adam ji ko banaya dekhe kuran38/75! kuran ko mannae ka arth hai ki “kalpit”124000 nabiyo rsoolon ki fauj ko bhi mano, farishto ki fauj ko bhi mano jinno ki fauj ko bhi mano , huro ki fauj ko bhi mano gilmo ki fauj ko bhi mano jannat v jahannum, kaba jaise patthar ko bhi jakarchumo jaise kalpit bato ko bhi mano 1 keval ek allah ko manne me muslimo kokya taklif hai ! fir bhi kahate hai ki islam me shirk nahi hai !
humein moorti pooja mein vishwas rakhna chahiyye. humari poorvaj 5-5 aadmi eik hi aurat par santusht hojate the, aaj k menhgayyi k dor mein agar 5 log eik patni rakhein to yeh bahut hi achcha udahran hoga sab k liye. is tarah hum sari pareshaniyon s nimat sakte haiin. hindu dharm/sanatan dharm mein har probalam ka solootion hai. humein hindu dharm ki taraf lot jana chahiye.
jab muhammad ji ne 50sal ki umr me akar 6-7 varshiy aysha ji se nikah kiya tha , tab vah garibi ka ilaz dhundh rahe the jab chaha patni ban liya aur jab chaha bachhe ki tarah usko god me khila liya bachha paida karne se fursat mil gayi ! fir choti bachhi kitna khana khayegi ? kapde bhi bahut echote hi pahanegi sbhi buddhe muslimo ko chahiye ki koi 6-7 sal ki muslim kanya se bhi nikah kar liya kare!
@shiv ji ne apne bachche ko hi maar diya? humare har aradhye ne bahuvivah kiye hain humein bhi karne chahiyye jaise shri krishna ki kai patniyan thin. humein bhi shri krishna ko phollow karna chahiyye.
veer shiva ji ki 8 patniya thin aur unhone marathon ko sikhaya ki kaise musalmano ko loot te hain. humein bhi musalmano ko lootna chahiye aur veer shivaji ki tarah 8 patniyan rakhni chahiyye.
swami dayananda ne to kabhi vivah hi nahi kiya humein agar unke aachran par chalna hai to kabhi vivah hi nahi karna chahiyye ya phir sirf das bar sex kar sakte hain apni patni k saath jaisa vedon mein likha hai ki das bar sex karo aur 11 vi baar usko maan samjho ya uske son ban jao.
phir jo bhi ho humein to ved ko hi phollo karna hai.
@Muslims
Bhai kab tum apni pariyo ki kahaniyo se bahar aoge. Ye satvi shtabdi nahi hai. Konse ved me shivji ki kahani aati hai. Koi apne bache ko marker kaise jinda kar sakta hai.
out of context if you read the verses it clearly says what it says if you think islam is a religion of peace you should see jainism and also allah comits shirk many times by swearing upon something else quran is nothing but a book without muhammed there is no islam
If Islam is a religion of peace, the Islamic countries should have been the most peaceful ones. On the contrary, the Islamic countries are awash with bloodshed. Even 1400 years after the inception of this faith, we don’t see any model peaceful Islamic country!. That means, either this faith doesn’t beget peaceful state or it is not possible to put this theory into practice.
On the other hand, the Vedic teachings have been able to provide a peaceful state for several millenia and had spread prosperity, knowledge and bliss.
Now, come to an impartial comparison and choose one of the ways. Many educated and intellectuals in the west have chosen the right path. In India, embracing Hinduism has been continued for centuries and the Hunas, Kushans, Parthians in the past have assimilated this blissful way of life. Why you Indian Muslims miss it. Now, Agniveer has provided the opportunity for you brothers and sisters. Don’t miss it and come back to your home where you had been taken out forcefully by the marauders and converted to the religion of Peace (the religion of sword). The Sun has risen and in the day’s broad light, you can see the truth yourself.
All be happy and all always remain in Jannat even on earth and hereafter – Religion of love
Guys check the news……..
Effect of Polygamy……….
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/nigerian-raped-to-death-by-five-wives/274485-2.html
islam ko janne ke liye pahle wo kis paristhiti me bana.us jamane me log kya karthe the,kaise sochthe the,kaise dharm ko karte the,unki samajik,aarthik,bhogolik,dharmik manodasha kaisi thi ye sab thik se soch ne par hi,Islam thoda bahut samaj me aayega.Sabhi musalman budhimani aksar galti karte hai ki islam ko bewajah vartman samay se toulte hai..uska samay 1400 saal purana hai aaj 100 saal ke pahale ka koi bhi dhyan thik nahi lagta yaha dharm aur science roj badalte ja rahe hai aur 1400saal purana islam jo ki ek vishista log aur jaati ke liye tha ek kabile tak simit tha use saare vishva par lagu kaise hoga . Quran vishva ko saamne rakh kar nahi bana balki sirf arab me hi chote chote jo kabile the unko saamne rakh kar bana tha,wo aanek devta ki upasana karthe the iski tulna wo hindu se karte hai, ye BILKUL HI GALAT HAI KYOKI HINDU JAB AANEK DEVTA KI UPASANA KARTA HAI TO WOH US SE PREM KARTA HAI NA KI BHAY.HINDU KE SAARE DEVTA PREM SE NIRMIT HUYE HAI NA KI BHY SE BHAKT KE PREM KE KARAN BHAGWAN BHI BHAKT KI BHAVNA JAISA BANA.HINDU JAB AANEK DEVTA KO PUJTA HAI TO WO SABHI BAKI KE BHAGWANO ME US KE AARADHYA DEVTA KO HI DEKHTA HAI.HINDU JAB AANEK DEVTA KO PUJTA HAI TO WO YE BHALI BHATI JANTA HAI KI SAKAR KE PICHE NIRAKAR HAI.WO YE BHI JANTA HAI YE AANEK DEVTA EK HI SATYA KE AANEK ROOP HAI.par jab arab me koi murti puja karta hoga to wo ye bate nahi janta tha kyoki uski dharna bhahot hi nichale darje ki thi wo bhay khatha khouf khata tha.muhammad ke jamane ki murtiya bhahot hi darawani aur bhay khane wali thi unme PREM jara bhin NAHI THA NA DEVTA ME NA BHAKT ME.MAGAR HINDU KI DEVTA PREM SE BHARI PURI THI AUR HAI.allah jo muhammad ka khud ke kuresh kabile se aata hai wo ek bhay dhikhane wala hi hai.lekin ek BAAT MUSALMAN BUDHIMAN NAHI SAMAJTE KI WO AKSAR KAHTE HAI KI QURAN ME LIKHA HAI ALLAH BAHOT HI DAYALU AUR SHAMA KARNE WALA HAI.LEKIN WO YE BAAT BHULTE HAI KI ALLAH ME SACH ME PREM HAI? WO APNE MUSLIMO SE PREM KARTA HAI?YAKI SIRF USKO MAN NE WALO KE SIVA DUSRO SE WO NAFRAT KARTA HAI AISA ALLAH VISHVA KA HO SAKTA HAI?JO PREM JANTA HO WO PREM HI SIKHAYEGA EK BHI QURAN ME AYAT NAHI HAI MUJASE PYAR KARO AISA ALLAH NE KAHA HO.TO TUMARA ALLAH DAYALU AUR KRIPALU KAISE HOGA WO KISI ANYA KARAN SE HAI.PREM WO KARAN NAHI HAI.QURAN KA ALLAH EK ARAB KE 360 JO DEVTA THE UNKO NICHA KARNE KE LIYE BANAYA GAYA EK MUHAMMAD KA VICHAR HAI,
@raj.hyd,aap ne kaha uska jawab hai pahale aap dimag me se allah ka khayal nikal do, thodi der ke liye bilkul bina allah ke ho ja wo,Tab aap ko devta aur aadmi me fark dikhega aap kahte hai shiv ji bacche ko kata to kya hum bhi unko follow kar sakte hai kya? Jarur kar sakte hai par shiv ji ke jaise vish bhi pina pade to pina padega.shiv ji nishachar hai to aap ko bhi hona padega, shiv bhasma lagaye hai aur gale me naag hai,to aap ko bhi follow kar bhasma aur naag lekar ghumna padega,shiv ko tisri aank hai to aap kam se kam nakali aankh lagani padegi.Shiv Tandav karte hai,nachte hai aap ko bhi nachna padega aur akhiri baat shiv pure vishva ka sanhar distroy karte hai,aap kam se kam ek gali ko nast kar ke dikha do..Ab main krisha devta ki baat karunga unki krishna ki kai patniya thi to ham bhi kar sakte hai par krishna ne kaliya naag ko maara aur us par nacha to aap ko kam se kam azgar ya kingkobra par nachna padega,krishna ne ungli par pahad uthaya aap ko kamse kam ek 100 kilo ka bora ungli par uthana padega,shivaji ne 8 wives se shadi ki hum ko bhi karni chahiye par shivaji ne shayestekhan ki ungliya kati aap ko bhi kisi hindu senapati ke sirf ek hi ungli kaatni padegi,shivaji ne afjalkhan ko mara to aap ko bhi kisi hindu senapati ko marna padega,aap kahte hai dayanand brahmchari hai to hum bhi rahe,to raho zyda se zyda tum 1mahine tak hi rah sakoge tab tume bramchari ka matlab samjega, sex keval pashu ko jyda aache lagte haiisliye to wo kahi par bhi,kisi par bhi aur jab chahe sex karte hai,par manushya ko buddhi hai wo apni virya ka upyog sahi tarike se karne ke vaste sirf 10bar hi sex ko kaha aur 11vi bar usko maan arthat aab use sexna karo isliye wo tumari maa jaisi hai par tum din me 10bar sex kar sakte jivan ki shakti ko kho dete ho.tum ye baat nahi samaj sakte ki sex kisliye hai? tum aab allah ke vichar se jud sakte ho..
naqli raj.hyd@ jis vyakti jo gun achhe lagte ho uska achha acharan karna chahiye ! jo bure lagte ho uski ninda bi karno chahiye ! bhale hivah sri krishn ji ho ya shiv ji , muhamamd ji ho ya kurani allah?
@raj.hyd, koi bhi asli ya naqli raj.hyd nahi hota. eik naam k kai log is hindustan mein rehte hain.
mera kehna hai ki aap log ghalat hindutva ko reperesent kar rahe hain. saare hindu maante hain ki hindu dharam mein chori aur rishwat allowed hai kiyunki shri krishna makhan chor the……..aap ko agar meri baat ghalat lage to ja kar kisi real hindu se pooch lo??
mujhe gaaliyan bakne se kuch nahi hoga jakar kisi hndu se poocho ki krishna chor the ya nahi phir kehna.
humare eik senior jo ki ayurveda k gyata hain keh rahe the ki gur aur makhan khao pata hai kon khata tha? shri krishn jo ki itni saari istriyon/women ko satisfy karte the..
lekin phir bhi musalmano ko hi blame kiya jata hai ki woh ilzam lagatein hain humare devtaon par?
India mein itna corruption isiliye to hai ki yahan ka hindu dharam chori ko legalise karta hai.
aur phir gopiyon k kapre churana????
aap inkar kaise kar sakte ho? eik itni established baat jo ki logon ki khoon mein hai jaise shudron se bhed bhaw aur durvyavahar karna?
kiya aapko hindu dharam mein kuch nahi dikhai deta ki uski islah ki koshish karo?
@raj.hyd, aap ne kaha ki jo gun acche hote hai uska aachran karana chahiy aur jo bure hai unki ninda.Par yaha kaun tay karega ki koun se gun acche hai aur koun se bure? Sharabi ko sharab acchi lagti hai to bimar ko jahar to aap kaise tay karenge ki sharab achhi hai ya buri.vaise hi gun to aur bhi sushma hai sharab to dikhai deti hai par gun to dikhai nahi dete.kaise tay hove ki koun se gun acche hai ki bure?aur iska praman kya hai?
@jai shankar
Koi Sharabi ye nahi chahta ki uski beti ya beta sarab piye. Islka matlab hai ki sharab achhi nahi hai aur vah yah janta hai. Lekin sharabi ka apne uppar control nahi hai.
manniy shri jay shankar ji ,” dusre ke sath vahi vyvhar karo jo apne liye bhi pasand aye ” har vyakti ke liye pahala sutr hona chahiye ! aur manusmriti 6/92 me kaha gaya hai dhriti kshama, damo asteyam shaucham indiriy nigrah dhi vidya satyam akrodho dashkam dharm lakshanam ! dusra sut yah apnaya jana chahiye! aur yam niyam[patanjali ke yogshastr ka sutr ] ka palan karana chahiye ! dusro ke achhe gun chipte nahi hai aur dusro ke bure gun bhi jyada din chip nahi pate hai ! tabhi vivek se samajh karke apnaya jana chahiye !
@truth seekar,Fans gaye tum ab pahle tum apne dimag se allah ka khayal nikal do, Thodi der ke liye taki tume samaj me aayega tum kaise fans gaye.maine kaha tha ki koun tay karega ki accha kya hai aur bura kya hai? Ye vichar ke babat nahi tha, krutya ke babat tha,tum jis jagat me rahate ho wo sakar hai,thos hai,isliye is ka vyavhar ho sakta hai,isiliye dharmshastra nirmit huye.koun si chiz aachi hai koun si buri ye kahne ke liye log dharm ka sahara lete the.tumne koi bhi dharm ka sahara nahi liya swagat hai.ab tum ye soch rahe honge ki islam hi saccha hai ,wo hi tay karega ki kya accha hai aur kya bura, PAR TUM AB PURI TARAH SE FANS GAYE HO AGAR TUM MANTE HO KI ISLAM HI SACCHA HAI,AUR IS KE ALAVA TUM KO DUSRA RASTA HI NAHI HAI.PAR TUM FANS GAYE APNE HI JAAL ME JAHA SE TUME KOI BHI NAHI NIKAL SAKTA.TUMARA ISLAM YA TUM YE SIRF SHARAB JO KI DHIKHAI DETI USI KE BABAT BATA SAKNE TAK SIMIT HO TUMARA DAYRA BAHOT HI DHIKHAYI PADNE WALE JAGAT SE HAI. PAR MAINE TO TUMKO SHARAB KA EK EX.DIYA THA AISI HAR CHIZ HAR KARM HAI JAHA PAR YE SAWAL UTHATA HAI KI KYA SAHI HAI AUR KYA GALAT.ISME QURAN BHI AATI HAI .PAR YE TO TUMENE DIKHAI PADHNEWALE CHIJO KE BABAT TAY KIYA PAR JO NAHI DIKHAI PADHTE UN CHIJO KE BABAT TUM AUR TUMARA ISLAMKUCH NAHI KAR SAKTA ISLIYE TO TUMNE SHARAB KA EX.TO DIYA PAR SUSHMA GUN KE BARE ME BOLE NAHI YAHI PAR TUM FANS GAYE TUMARE LIYE YE SAMAJ SE PARE HAI…..AAB TUM ALLAH SE VAPAS JUD SAKTE HO…
@i cant understand y u always figure out that there are more male than females in dubai, UAE, saudi, quwait when u already know that it is because many men go there for jobs. because most men have their families in their native country so they live alone in gulf countries in this way male population increases over there.
i think if you are honest then you will never repeat this false propaganda that gulf countries have more men then females because of islamic laws.
the stricter the law the worst will be results(as said by agni veer)…… and then agniveer always request gov of India to hang ajmal qasab etc??? y??? if he is not support in stricter laws?
Give me a gender-wise breakup of world’s population. Also, I am sure that census authorities in the Gulf countries do not include the names of migrants in their population registers. So, your premise falls flat. And if you are intelligent enough, you should not bring up such fallacious arguments later that can be easily demolished.
Harsh punishments for rarest of rare crimes is fine, but chopping off hands for petty thievery is not justifiable. One must at least get a chance to reform oneself.
I invite all Muslims to come and discuss on islam on http://www.alisina.org
@Ankur
Okay you’re not bias, I was unaware that there is not any concept of Hell, paradise, reward , punishment & eternal life after death as per veda.
But now I dont get the Vedic philosophy. There’re a lot of questions in my mind;
1– How can one see God as per veda (as per Islam one can see God in paradise)?
2– How can one get justice? (As in this world often poor people get a raw deal by the rich ones, all killers, robbers & criminals r not necessarily b punished)
3–What about the ones born as blind, deaf etc.? How & what’d they get in return?
4– Is the Vedic God just & merciful? How?
5– Is vedic God truthful means Is He like truth? (I posed this question because u said veda doesn’t want to convert someone, so i can guess that vedic God allows us to lead a life constant in lies. Does It make no difference to Him that whether on leads a life as a Muslim or a Christian or something else? As truth is only one If one say Quran is right its like saying Veda is wrong – If one say “I’m an Atheist” means he/she isn’t a Muslim).
6– Does it make no difference to Vedic God whether someone is rejecting His book or not?
7– Are there some more vedic philosophies which can cover the whole concept logically?
I guess u r a logical person as u always demands logical proofs 4 Islamic ideologies – So u must have logical answers for all the above mentioned questions without quoting Veda.
However I’ll not force u to reply me – No oppression – Either u can answer or can just ignore it – Choice is yours. Because I’ve already find the truth i.e Qur’an.
As 4 your chicken analogy i rest my case – To you be your way & to me mine.
hi sister im not saying conversion is good but arya dharma/santana dharma the orginal name has mixture of philisophies i dont follow arya samaj i follow another philisophy and i would say all of them are rational and logical i would ask you to consider joining it many muslims and christians have come back to their roots most hindus believe that god cannot be seen he is everywhere but there are those who believe god has compability to make form and come into his creation and we can get justice from our own karma we make our destiny not god and children born blind is because of karma from past lives but you can change your destiny and no god in vedas doesnt believe in religion he brought one book through rishis for all human kind and living enties who can understand so that everybody had one belief but people came and started making religions to control people and this when hatred started between different beliefs and god doesnt look at belief only in deeds as that is what will go with you in your next life or moksh if you get it
@Maria (IslamicDefence)
very well , Even though you did not answer any of my question related to Quran,but still i here make an effort to answer your questions.
1– How can one see God as per veda (as per Islam one can see God in paradise)?
–Seems your knowledge of Islam is half baked, that you dont know as per Islam Allah is claimed to be formless(though it confusing sometime from the description of
Allah in QUran) , how would you see something that is formless i fail to understand.
Response : Why would one need to physically See god, what good would that do? if one KNOWS and realises the ultimate truth and purpose of ones life, there is no need
to know anything else, leave aside “seeing” anyone or anything.
2– How can one get justice? (As in this world often poor people get a raw deal by the rich ones, all killers, robbers & criminals r not necessarily b punished)
— Guess this question is pointing towards the “heaven hell thing” .
Response :thats why “rebirth” is the only logical option where one gets life and resource as per ones past doings,this the best and most effecient justice, without
anyone having to conduct a court hearing, once the law is in place there is no escaping it, all the deeds linger on in ones psyche and those impressing manifest as a
reward or punishment in the next life, “as you sow so shall you reap”
3–What about the ones born as blind, deaf etc.? How & what’d they get in return?
–this would point to the easy and difficult test mumbo jumbo…
Response: the Fact they are born as such is a testament that there must be a reson behind it , what else could it be except the fruit of their past deeds, as a “JUST”
god would not arbitrarily choose anyone to be blind ,deat etc, if he did then he could not be trusted with the authority of doing justice.
4– Is the Vedic God just & merciful? How?
Response: The world that is created is a testament to the fact the Almighty is nothing but merciful , he has given all everything that is needed to live and enjoy a
blissfull life, it we who chose not to see the beauty and create a mess of things.
He is just because he measures(rewards/punishes) everyone by their deeds and not what they belive in ,but being merciful does not mean that the laws that he has put in
plcace to reward or punish one for his/her deeds can be given a slack on some arbitrary basis(e.g becoming a follower of an idelogy , as they say become muslim and all
your sins will be washed off)
5– Is vedic God truthful means Is He like truth?
Response: Humans are but pecks of dust for the creator, whatever we do as humans has “NO” affect the creator, we by our deeds only assimilate their impression for our
next good or downtordden birth, if we live a good life,do good deeds and be keep on mind and heart focussed on our only creator while living the life that he has
given, we will keep on elevating and finally will realize the ultimate truth and be free and enjoy bliss, coz all doubts will cease to exists and when that
happens,true freedom & bliss will be achieved.
6– Does it make no difference to Vedic God whether someone is rejecting His book or not?
Response : NO, God doe not need the people, People need him for their own sake, so that they are relieved of misery and suffering.
7– Are there some more vedic philosophies which can cover the whole concept logically?
Response : did not understand the question exactly, but one thing is sure question everyting, anything that does not pass your “unbiased” and well Educated logic, is
to be rejected, i.e. reject all falsehood then only you can be moving towards the truth, if one belives that he/she already know the truth , then that the end of that
person, as there will be no progress and nothing to learn or gain or achive, that is why GOd has given humans free will to see and seek the truth.
as i have seen the comments of muslims full of non-sense or else nothing , muslims have jihad against hindus since 711 AD from arab marauders to jocker nalayak , it is due to our valiant hindu rulers like Maharana Pratap , Shivaji and and other hindu patriots who resisted the bloody islamisation my country india , to whom these muslim liars say islamic mercy , they never hesitate to kill anybody stands against islam , Today Pakistan , Bangladesh and Afghanistan is the product of islamisation ,religious minorites have always persecuted in muslim land in the name of allah and unholy quran , a book full of non-sense and fairy tales and scientific errors , islam have bloodshedded from morocco to indonesia , many intellectual muslims have renounced islam for truth in western countries such as Ibn Warraq,Ali Sina , Wafa Sultan , Mariam namazi , Ehsan Jami and many more , After reading quran i have known that it is a madman book ,here many muslims are chamchas of jocker nalayak who are not happy with jocker’s insult .
@hinduagnostic
“we can get justice from our own karma we make our destiny not god and children born blind is because of karma from past lives but you can change your destiny ”
Re:
I don’t get it. What is karma?
“No god in vedas doesnt believe in religion he brought one book through rishis for all human kind”
Re:
I was unaware that Veda doesn’t believe in religion.
But it does believe in “God” – So what does “Religion” really mean as per Veda? It seems that as per Veda the “concept of God” and “concept of religion” are two different things and are not associated with each other in any way – Really? How?
And i think religion means which give a concept regarding God. Is it not so?
@Maria :Check the section below for more about the concepts.
http://agniveer.com/category/vedas/foundations/
illl try to explain from my view but i think agniveer explained the theory of karma in one his article but karma is cause and effect you do good you will get good you do bad you will eventually get bad it can be directly or indirectly some times you dont even see it and in hinduism heaven and hell are on earth heaven is happiness, peace and hell is suffering,anger etc and also hinduism isnt a religion its not there to control people just to bring peace,knowledge and happines into your life there are many philisophies and most theistic hindus believe in vedas but i have not read vedas because you have learn sanskrit so theistichindus look to bhagavad gita and other books to understand god you should reconsider believing in hinduism sister espically if your from south asia as you will be coming back to your roots of your ancestors
@maria, it is very difficult to understand veda and hinduism i am giving u some points which will help u to understand ..
first and foremost is whatever u believe u are hindu because hinduism is a sea which accept everything. so there is no particular concept or belief, every hindu has its own concept and belief. so in this way there are more than 80crore different thoughts of hinduism.
vedas are thoughts of 4 rishis which they received in a new language ie Sanskrit but there is no exact number of veda known. you can also receive veda by practicing yoga etc but it is interesting to note that vedas are believed to be 1 million and some thousands year old but no 5th person has received any veda till date.
it swami dayanda who first time understand real meanings of veda.
there is swarg ie paradise and hell concept in veda and deed system also presnt there.
you get rebirth in new species according ur deeds in this life, yo can become bacteria and plant too.
most importantly u can prove anything ang every thing from VEDA.
@Ankur
“There is swarg i.e paradise and hell concept in veda and deed system also presnt there – every hindu has its own concept and belief. so in this way there are more than 80crore different thoughts of hinduism.”
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How many Vedas have you in Hinduism? – So do you believe in Veda which has no concept of Hell & paradise?
Is there only one Veda but your beliefs are different? If the Veda is only one book then it means it has the concept of Hell, paradise but you don’t believe in Hell & paradise.
@Ankur + @hinduagnostic
Okay i get it in hinduism heaven and hell are on earth heaven is happiness, peace and hell is suffering,anger etc. there are number of Vedas & every hindu has its own concept and belief.
But because of difference in beliefs & great in number of books there’re more chances that they all contradicts each other – If one consider that each Veda is from God then all these shouldn’t contradicts at least. One have to choose a Veda to believe in it. (Perhaps there is no any contradiction between different Vedas & its followers beliefs – Really?)
Brother Hinduagnostic you’re saying hinduism isnt a religion – I don’t get it if it’s not a religion then why it gives the concept of God? Do you mean Veda is simply a book not religious book?
– Then it’s not necessary to follow it – As brother Ankur says it makes no different to the vedic God if someone is leading his/her life as a Muslim or an Atheist or something else So I’ll never leave my Islam .
@Maria (IslamicDefence) : The last comment i.e.
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22854
is not from Me, it must be a frustated Muslim poser, all that he has mentioned swarg nark , 1 million,80 crore and blah blah are his hallucinations,this shows how intellignet and honest the followers of your Quran are, they can deceive and set fear into the hearts of peope by imaginary stories(as did prophet Mohommaed) to keep people following a illogical cult.
I never asked you to leave Islam, the only thing is one should make an effort to Know all that exists and then make an “INFORMED” decision.
as i said do visit the below
http://agniveer.com/category/vedas/foundations/
and read through, dont get involved in comments , Read, analyze,decide and come back if required.
@HinduAgnostic : Bro,Request you not alter the flow of a two way communication,unldess absolutely necessary.
i said there is one vedas but there are other books aswell hinduism isnt a religion because there is no real conversion we believe in humanity and no most hindus follow the samething now days but there are other philisophies to choose from even some hindus do not understand their religion which why they get tricked by muslim preachers like zakir naik and you muslims have one book the quran so if there is an error it cant be word of god hinduism is very deep spirtual religion it doesnt compel you to believe blindly
@Agniveer : Request you to have an identitiy Mechanism on the website , as it seems our Muslims friends have started to resort to identity theft , to confuse people,which is not desired.
Your words;
“as it seems our Muslims friends have started to resort to identity theft , to confuse people”.
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A false charge has been brought against Muslims by you, we don’t need to resort to identity theft, or to hide our identity. Without any rhyme or reason u brought it ,Just it seems to you so. Stop picking holes in Muslims.
Another thing that I had missed.
Your words:
“Even though you did not answer any of my question related to Quran”.
Re;
Perhaps u r talking about the verse (7:11), I gave u answer perhaps u didn’t read it properly , scroll up the page & read it again.
@Maria(IslamicDefence): My query was directed to Agniveer and not you , do read the comment again, you did not understand that i was referring to a poser who responded to your comment in my Name.(and that’s called identity theft), i have clearly mentioned the same to you
http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22877,
Besides you are still confused, as per 7:11 Allah Ordered Angels to prostrate to “ADAM” and not him ,to which ‘iblees’ did not agree,read the verse again…
@Ankur
Okay I get it. I’ve noticed the difference between your way of addressing & that of your namesake Ankur. I misunderstood because I had missed to read your post i.e “http://agniveer.com/polygamy-hinduism/#comment-22877”
But how can you surely say that your namesake Ankur is a Muslim?
All the things mentioned by him are correct or not?
He maybe a Hindu & just a namesake of yours & not try to theft your identity.
Y do u not ask him “Y did he interrupted by using your name?
And please STOP blaiming Qur’an, dont judge a book by its followers , my Allah is truthful , He likes truth.
As 4 7:11, no I’m not confused, I’m clear Angels prostrated to Adam & I’ve explained the reason 4 it already.
@Maria (IslamicDefence) : Why would a Hindu take on the guise of my name and try to create confusion by saying thing that are no where in the veda.?
I have nothing against the Muslims, the are just like any other human,I am questioning the Quran here.
I guess you are not ready to seek and explore the knowledge in the world,though i would not suggest you leave this forum but i have other option as you seem not to be able to analyze the text with an unbiased and logical perspective.
@Maria, dont take this website seriously, you can see what agniveer propagate on face book that “if you love islam then join agniveer”.. i request u to visit satyagni.com the sister website of agniveer. these aryasamajis abuse My prophet and ALLAH and i cant forgive them for this filth.
most regular visitor aryasamajis ie truth seeker, KB, SDC they post by showing themselves as muslim. they are truely devoted for alisina.com/faithfreesom.com/ satyagni.com etc.
i want from admin that they should make this website atleast close group so that no body can easily comment here.
sister please visit satyagni.com once and then you can see how filthy these are aryasamajis are and also read smhullas 14 of satyarthprakash. satyarthprakash is available in english at agniveer and islamhinduism dot com.
@Qul huwa Allahu ahad : by saying dont take this website seriously, you mean to say dont use your god gifted brain for critical though and analysis,well what else can be expeted for a fellow Muslim,All the so called “Abuse” that you have stated has its bais in your Quran and Sahi Hadith,nothing has come out of the thin air, who said people here are aryasamajis, thats your misconception.
islam ki original teaching kho gai hai .thodi thodi ved ke vichar jaha nirgun,shunya,koi aakar nahi ,koi sathidar nahi,keval wo hi hai, ye teaching corrupt ho gai hai.kyo ki har bachha hindu paida hota hai.kaise suno. Jab baccha ma ke pet me hota hai tab uske chitta par koi akar nahi banta.par jaise hi wo janmta hai vaise hi uske chitt par maa ki akruti chap jati hai,baccha apne maa ko bhagwan hi manta hai.chahe duniya bhar ke musalman allah ki tasbeer na banye par unka baccha maa me allah ko hi dekhta hai is karan sabhi bachhe hindu hote hai.jaise jaise dimag kharab hone lagta hai vaise vo allah se jo dekhai nahi deta us ko manane me lag jata hai bachman me maa ke rup me allah ko dekha par bada hote hi maa ko bhul jata hai aur dimag me allah ko bhar deta hai jo dikhai nahi deta.
@Maria, i think that you belong to another country so u dont know about Hindus and Hinduism.
i am Indian I have a wide experience about Dawah in Hindus. I have talked about islam with almost every friend. I have gifted and sold many books in Hindi, Urdu, and English and quran translation in Hindi, Urdu and English.
I have not met a single Hindu in my life who claims himself as ‘aryasamaji’ neither i found any Hindu having veda at his home nor he reads veda.
whenever I said them that you should read veda they replied that we have small books of certain mantras and that is enough. we have been taught about veda at our schooling otherwise nobody remember veda today.
we as muslim tray to spread quran, i myself have almost 30 copies of quran, two big tafaseers and translation in Urdu, Hindi and English. we motivate muslims to learn arabic language, to memories quran and to follow quran.
But these aryasamajis unable to spread veda instead their main aim is to malign Islam.
if you want to know about veda then visit islam hinduism dot com. 4 rishis were inspired and received vedas knowledge in a new language known as sanskrit and they have taught that knowledge in their own style and way to others. it is not verbal/ word to word revelation so tey have full right to explain according to their will.
If u want to know real face of agniveer then read articles related to Indian history.
hope u understand. wassalam
@Qul huwa Allahu ahad:Hope you are getting paid well for propagating Quran
4 rishis were inspired and received vedas knowledge in a new language known as sanskrit
This statement is a copy paste of all that you know , and now i know who tried an identity theft 🙂 poor you.
There are only 4 Vedas, all mumbo jumbo of your beloved webiste has been refuted and busted in details here
http://agniveer.com/textual-corruption-in-vedas/
so bro i just hope that you are paid well for your futile efforts to keep people confused.
@ankur, you are right i have been paid unlimited reward for the propagation of Quran and i know that you know who is paying and will pay in hereafter.
it is hindus who always seek money for everything whenever go to temple they pay some amount to the priest/pandit of the temple.
you can search the earning of ayappa, balaji and shirdi.
we muslims when go to masjid we offer salah there and come out without giving any money to Imam it is the difference.we collect money to manage masjid 1-4 times in a month and offer salah there 150 times in a month.
regarding 4 rishis and Sanskrit as alien language of that time you can read sathyarthprakash. it seems that you are not aware about ur veda and concept of aryasamaj.
aryasamajis always say that if Allah/ishwar give book in any of the language of world of that time then He is unjust to other languages but when we ask about sanskrit and veda then they say that sanskrit was new language for every one and dont know what was the language of those 4 rishis. first time those rishis received veda in a new language named as sanskrit then they spread the message in their own words which is called veda(in this way they were free to corrupt the message send by veda’s Ishwar).
@Qul huwa Allahu ahad: I just hope that you are not dissapointed once this life is over.
Now that i know you have read satyapraksh, why dont you logically refute the claims rather than spending effort on distrubiting the Uthaman’s Quran.
well there had to be a first language and that is Sanskrit, what’s so difficult to understand in that.
dr.zakir naik sach me agar vad-vivad karna chahta hai to use main hara sakta hu..dekho agar praman ki baat aayegi to pratyaksha,aanuman,aagam ye 3praman mukhya hote hai. Ab dekho islam ke paas pratyakshya praman allah ka nahi hai.allah ko kisi ne pratykshy nahi dekha khud muhammad ne bhi nahi dekha.is karan allah ek soch rah jata hai .ek sapna rah jata hai,quran ka aur hadis satya hai is ka bhi praman kahi bhi nahi milta.ab sirf aanuman praman ki jaha dhua hai waha agni hai vaise ye praman bhi allah par thik nahi beithta,kyoki allah ka anuman ki wo kaisa hai to dayalu,krupalu,shaktiman,sab jannewala.pal bhar me kuch bhi karnewala is se allah ka anuman nahi lagta kyoki koi bhi sadharan aadmi me ye gun paye jate hai to wo kya allah ho sakega? Bilkul nahi.Phir aata hai aagam arthat shastra praman to allah ka varnan na to bible me hai,na toraht,engil me hai,na kisi anya dharma ke shastra me allah ka naam hai .to ye siddha hua ki allah ek man ka vichar hai, jo muhammad ke tatkalin nirantar soch ka parinam tha.siway muhammad ke allah ka koi bhi praman nahi milta is liye islam ko sarvamanya ya jagatmanya dharma nahi kaha jayega.dr,zakir naik ki halat vaisi hai jaise koi chor khud ko chor na kahe.ye sabit nahi karta ki chor chor nahi hai,praman do dr.zakir naik kuch to praman do.khud muhammad bhi praman dene se chuke tum kya khak praman doge?
@jaishankir, kiya tum bata sakte ho ki tum kis Ishwar mein vishwas rakhte ho aur rakhte bhi ho ya nahi?
kiya shiv,vishnu aur brahma ki trinity/trishool mein wishvas rakhte ho?
agar tum koi baat manoge hi nahi to kisi ko bhi hara doge tum to kehdoge mere paas koi praman nahi hai Ishwar isliye aap mujh se nahi pooch sakte.
chutku bhai aapko maloom hona chahiyye ki zakir naik kehte hain ki jo admi kam se kam 10000 log ikatha kar sakta sirf apne naam se us se debate ya dialogue karoonga to pehle tum apni pramanikta sabit karo ki 10,000 log kisi programme mein ikathe karo apne naam se tab Allah ki pramanikta mangna. ok jao jab tak munh dhoke soaye raho..
han agar mere se dialogue karna chahte ho bata dena.
eik baat bata deta hun ki jab tum apne samne ka computer dekhte ho to kiya sochte ho ki khud bana ya kisi ne banaya? lekin agar kisi ne banaya to bhi usne duniya mein paayi chezein hi use karein bhale hi develop karin to woh creator to nahi hua par keyboard/table kisi to banai hain….ab yeh batao ki jab yeh sara brahmand dekhte ho yeh zameen dekhte ho to kiys sochte ho ki itna systematic system khud ban gay ya koi creator hai? jab eik chappal bhi khud nahi ban sakta to duniya kaise ban sakti hai? buss yeh suniya aur sare sansaron ka creator hi Allah/GOD hai.
mujhe ummed ab apko koi argument nahi chahiyye hoga
@truth seekar, ek doha jo bahut kuch kahta hai, “BUND” SAMANA SAMUND ME,HERAT HERAT HE SAKHI RAHYA KABIR HERAI. Ye sadharan chit ki awastha hai, par jaise Vishwas mukta hota hai chit to ye hota hai,”SAMUND” SAMANA BUND ME,HERAT HERAT HE SAKHI RAHYA KABIR HERAI. Pahle to main aapko ek baat batata hu VISHWAS YA BELIEF YE SABSE BADE JAHAR HAI.main eshwar ko manta nahi JANTA HU. Aur tum jaise samjte ho ki eshwar ke bare me vaise eshwar ko maine kabhi bhi dekha nahi hai,kisi ko bhi wo aajtak mila nahi NA HI MILEGA YE MERA VACHAN HAI.Ha devtapurush huye hai jinko hi galti se bhagwan,eshwar man liya gaya hai.Yatra kaise hoti hai,Pahle purush ,bad me devtapurush aur akhir me bhagwan. Yahi itihas hai tum dyan ki aankh se apne bhitar dekho to tumko sab par avishwas bana hi rahta hai ki samne bhagwan khada hai ye sach hai ya mere man ka khel? Ex.deta hu Ramkrushna ko kali mata ke darshan hote the,saint namdev krishna se bolte the,par vaise hi inko ye sab man ka hi khel lagta tha.inka bhram tab tuta jab inone aapne aap ko dekha jo ki ek matra satya hai.Tum bhagwan par bhi shaq kar sakte ho par tum khud par shaq nahi kar sakte ki tum nahi ho.TUM NAHI HO IS KO BHI JANANE KE LIYE TUMRA HONA JARURI HAI.KYA TUM APNE NA HONE KO JANTE KO,BHAWAN YA ESHWAR YE MULLYAWAN HAI PAR JO INKO DEKH RAHA HAI WO UNSE BHI ADHIK MULLYA KA HAI.JANANEWALA AUR JANA JANEWALA EK JAB HOTE HAI TAB SAMUND HI BUND ME GIRTA HAI.PAR JAB TAK YE ALAG RAHTE HAI TAB TAK BUND HI SUMAND ME GIRTI HAI.JANNEWALA AUR JANA JANEWALA DO DIKHAI DENA HI AGYAN HAI.ISLIYE MAIN ESHWAR KO MANTA NAHI JITA HU.ESHWAR EK PARAM ANUBHAV KI BAAT HAI.SHABD SE,TARK SE DEVTAPURUSH KO SIDHA KAR SAKTE HO ANUBHAV KO NAHI.DR.JAKIR NAIK KO MAIN AKELE HI 10000 KE BARABAR HU AAB YE UNKI DURSTI KA DOSH HAI KI MERE SAAT TO JO LOG ,FARISTE,ANGILS,DEVTA UNKI JO FOUJ HAI WO ITNI JYDA HAI MAIN GINTI BHI NAHI KAR SAKTA MAIN JINDA LOG RAKHTA HU APNE SATH AMRUT PIYE HUYE LOG MERE PAAS HAI AUR DR. Zakir ke paas jo aadmi ka jakhira hai wo sab murda log hai,unka khud ka koi bhi vajud nahi hai, lakir ke fakir ,kolu ke bail hai. Jis ke piche logo ki bhid hoti hai wo bhed hai aadmi ka.SIHA AKELA HOTA HAI.BAS EK BAAR DAHADTA HAI TO SARA JANGAL KANPTA HAI.DR.ZAKIR NAIK DARA HUA HAI WO APNA DAR LOGO SE NAHI KAHTA WO WOHI BAAT KAREGA JO QURAN ME HAI,HADIS ME HAI ,AUR ALLAH SE MEL KHATI HAI.JAISE USE KOI BATA DETA HAI KI QURAN ,HADIS,ALLAH KE KHILAF KOI BAAT JA RAHI HAI TO PAHLE DARTA HAI.AUR USI KARAN WO ISLAM KA BADA SPEEKAR BAN GAYA HAI (ARTHAT AISA TUM SAMJTE HO) DAR KAHI ISLAM GALAT NA HO JAYE IS KARAN HI WO BRILIIYANT BHI BANA HUA HAI COMPUTER KE JAISA DIMAG SMRUTI KA KACHRA INKA SATYA SE KOI LENA DENA NAHI HAI YE WO JANTA NAHI.ANUBHAV CHAHIYE ANUBHAV HAI SAHAS KE HA MAIN JANTA HU ALLAH KO AISA KAH DE.NAHI MANANE KO BOLO SIRF KAMJOR DIMAGWALE KA HI YE KAM HOSAKTA HAI.TUM KO THODA KAHA HAI SAMAJ HAI TO JYADA SAMJOGE……..ATTA DIPA BHAV KHUD KE DIYE KHUD BANO……..
lol.. the wikipedia list u provided doe not say its muslim countries in the top..
It is just in Alphabetical order 😀
“Let’s not oppose just for the sake of opposing”
Peace!!