- Science in Vedas
- Vedas and Motion of Planets
The core foundation of Hindu belief is that Vedas contain source of all knowledge – physical or metaphysical. However in last 100 odd years, this belief has come under scrutiny due to the advances that modern science claims to make.
An entire group of Vedic ‘experts’ have stood up to prove that Vedas contain early man theories and are not compatible with modern discoveries. These include communist historians propelled by commentaries on Vedas by western indologists like Max Muller, Griffith et al and a new breed of intellectuals who initiate all research with assumption that ‘old means defective’. However in modern era of religious marketing, another group has come up which would go to any length to discover scientific errors in Vedas. This is the group which would want 800 million Hindus to lose faith in Vedas and their religion and embrace what they believe is the final message of God. Yes I am referring to Islamic and Christian evangelists.
While both these groups of evangelists are propelled by vision of making everyone in world a follower of their respective Holy Books, the situation is even more desperate for Quran zealots. This is because a bulk of Islamic evangelists believe that Jesus will come again towards end of the world after which they would reach Paradise forever. And an important sign of Jesus’ coming is conquest of India. I do not know the original source of this superstition, but this remains a primary motivator for most Islamic evangelists today.
Thus every now and then, we would see references to ‘Scientific Errors in Vedas’. The typical pattern would be english translation of some mantra followed by a Veda Mantra reference. For example
“Earth is flat” – Yajur Ved 32.8
Often the reference and English translation are both pointing to sources best known to authors of these works. But for layman, these create a lot of confusion and doubt over relevance of Vedas. While I would shy away from thrusting my personal faith on Vedas, I would like to provide some excerpts from Vedas that provide clues to deep scientific concepts hidden within them.
Unfortunately, due to thousand years of slavery, burning of our universities and libraries by barbarians and then demands for tackling issues of survival first, there remains a lot of work to be done to rediscover the Vedic sciences. However, sufficient clues exist to justify why this rediscovery would be worthwhile. In this article, I shall provide some brief snippets of such clues.
A point of note: Vedas not being dogmatic in nature and containing eternal truths, do not try to spoon-feed us. Thus Vedas would contain seeds for all forms of knowledge and would urge humans to explore further. Because in the Vedic framework, its our efforts that can provide us bliss.
You can refer to original mantras at http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org
MOTION OF EARTH
Rig Veda 10.22.14
“This earth is devoid of hands and legs, yet it moves ahead. All the objects over the earth also move with it. It moves around the sun.
In this mantra,
Kshaa = Earth (refer Nigantu 1.1)
Ahastaa = without hands
Apadee = without legs
Vardhat = moves ahead
Shushnam Pari = Around the sun
Pradakshinit = revolves
Rig Veda 10.149.1
“The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself holding their reins.”
In this mantra,
Savita = Sun
Yantraih = through reins
Prithiveem = Earth
Aramnaat = Ties
Dyaam Andahat = Other planets in sky as well
Atoorte = Unbreakable
Baddham = Holds
Ashwam Iv Adhukshat = Like horses
GRAVITATIONAL FORCE
Rig Veda 8.12.28
“O Indra! by putting forth your mighty rays, which possess the qualities of gravitation and attraction-illumination and motion – keep up the entire universe in order through the Power of your attraction.”
Rig Veda 1.6.5, Rig Veda 8.12.30
“O God, You have created this Sun. You possess infinite power. You are upholding the sun and other spheres and render them steadfast by your power of attraction.
Yajur Veda 33.43
“The sun moves in its own orbit in space taking along with itself the mortal bodies like earth through force of attraction.”
Rig Veda 1.35.9
“The sun moves in its own orbit but holding earth and other heavenly bodies in a manner that they do not collide with each other through force of attraction.
Rig Veda 1.164.13
“Sun moves in its orbit which itself is moving. Earth and other bodies move around sun due to force of attraction, because sun is heavier than them.
Atharva Veda 4.11.1
“The sun has held the earth and other planets”
LIGHT OF MOON
Rig Veda 1.84.15
“The moving moon always receives a ray of light from sun”
Rig Veda 10.85.9
“Moon decided to marry. Day and Night attended its wedding. And sun gifted his daughter “Sun ray” to Moon.”
ECLIPSE
Rig Veda 5.40.5
“O Sun! When you are blocked by the one whom you gifted your own light (moon), then earth gets scared by sudden darkness.”
“SCIENCE OF BUILDING SHIPS AND AIRPLANES”
Swami Dayanand has detailed Mantras regarding these in his Vedic commentary and Introduction to Vedas” (1876). The scientists of IISc concluded that the mechanism of airplane as suggested by Dayanand is feasible. The first manned plane was built 20 years after death of Swami Dayanand.
The verses are difficult to translate in English here, but readers are advised to review “Introduction to Vedas” by Swami Dayanand or interpretations of following mantras: Rig Veda 1.116.3, 1.116.4, 10.62.1, 1.116.5, 1.116.6, 1.34.2, 1.34.7, 1.48.8 etc.
SCIENCE OF TELEGRAPHY
Rig Veda 1.119.10
“With the help of bipolar forces (Asvins), you should employ telegraphic apparatus made of good conductor of electricity. It is necessary for efficient military operations but should be used with caution.”
I am also attaching a few pdfs of the scientific advancements of ancient India. These are developed by Indian Institute of Scientific Heritage
I hope this would be sufficient to at least drive the need for further exploration of our scientific heritage originating from Vedas.
We claim these are indian discoveries
Scientific And Technological Heritage
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Rig Veda 1.119.10
“With the help of bipolar forces (Asvins), you should employ telegraphic apparatus made of good conductor of electricity. It is necessary for efficient military operations but should be used with caution.”
I don't get it ! How can we talk about electricity 6000 years BCE ?
How many years does it take for science to evolve. If the earth gets damaged say in some years and then humans start rebuilding it. Wont humans need to build these knowled.
The veda also says time is never ending.
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आज राइट बंधु को हवाई जहाज के आविष्कार के लिए श्रेय दिया जाता है क्योंकि उन्होंने 17 दिसम्बर 1903 हवाई जहाज उड़ाने का प्रदर्शन किया था। किन्तु बहुत कम लोगों को इस बात की जानकारी है कि उससे लगभग 8 वर्ष पहले सन् 1895 में संस्कृत के प्रकाण्ड पण्डित शिवकर बापूजी तलपदे ने “मारुतसखा” या “मारुतशक्त ” नामक विमान का सफलतापूर्व क निर्माण कर लिया था, जो कि पूर्णतः वैदिक तकनीकी पर आधारित था। पुणे केसरी नामक समाचारपत्र के अनुसार श्री तलपदे ने सन् 1895 में एक दिन (दुर्भाग्य से से सही दिनांक की जानकारी नहीं है) बंबई वर्तमान (मुंबई) के चौपाटी समुद्रतट में उपस्थित कई जिज्ञासु व्यक्तियों ( जिनमें अनेक भारतीय न्यायविद्/ राष्ट्रवादी सर्वसाधारण जन के साथ ही महादेव गोविंद रानाडे और बड़ौदा के महाराज सायाजी राव गायकवाड़ जैसे विशिष्टजन सम्मिलित थे ) के समक्ष अपने द्वारा निर्मित “चालकविहीन ” विमान “मारुतशक्त ि” के उड़ान का प्रदर्शन किया था। वहाँ उपस्थित समस्त जन यह देखकर आश्चर्यचकि त रह गए कि टेक ऑफ करने के बाद “मारुतशक्त ि” आकाश में लगभग 1500 फुट की ऊँचाई पर चक्कर लगाने लगा था। कुछ देर आकाश में चक्कर लगाने के के पश्चात् वह विमान धरती पर गिर पड़ा था। यहाँ पर यह बताना अनुचित नहीं होगा कि राइट बंधु ने जब पहली बार अपने हवाई जहाज को उड़ाया था तो वह आकाश में मात्र 120 फुट ऊँचाई तक ही जा पाया था जबकि श्री तलपदे का विमान 1500 फुट की ऊँचाई तक पहुँचा था। दुःख की बात तो यह है कि इस घटना के विषय में विश्व की समस्त प्रमुख वैज्ञानिको ं और वैज्ञानिक संस्थाओं/संगठनों पूरी पूरी जानकारी होने के बावजूद भी आधुनिक हवाई जहाज के प्रथमनिर्माण का श्रय राईट बंधुओं को दियाजाना बदस्तूर जारी है और हमारे देश की सरकार ने कभी भी इस विषय में आवश्यक संशोधन करने/ करवाने के लिए कहीं आवाज नहीं उठाई
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(हम सदा सन्तोषी और आत्ममुग्ध लोग जो है!)। कहा तो यह भी जाता है कि संस्कृत के प्रकाण्ड पण्डित एवं वैज्ञानिक तलपदे जी की यहसफलता भारत के तत्कालीन ब्रिटिश शासकों को फूटी आँख भी नहीं सुहाई थी और उन्होंने बड़ोदा के महाराज श्री गायकवाड़, जो कि श्री तलपदे के प्रयोगों के लिए आर्थिक सहायता किया करते थे, पर दबाव डालकर श्री तलपदे केप्रयोगों को अवरोधित कर दिया था। महाराज गायकवाड़ की सहायता बन्द हो जाने पर अपने प्रयोगों को जारी रखने के लिए श्री तलपदे एक प्रकार से कर्ज में डूब गए। इसी बीच दुर्भाग्य से उनकी विदुषी पत्नी, जो कि उनके प्रयोगों में उनकी सहायक होने के साथही साथ उनकी प्रेरणा भी थीं, का देहावसान हो गया और अन्ततः सन् 1916या 1917 में श्री तलपदे का भी स्वर्गवास हो गया। बताया जाता है कि श्री तलपदे के स्वर्गवास हो जाने के बाद उनके उत्तराधिका रियों ने कर्ज सेमुक्ति प्राप्त करने के उद्देश्य से “मारुतशक्त ि” के अवशेष को उसके तकनीकसहित किसी विदेशी संस्थान को बेच दिया था। श्री तलपदे का जन्म सन् 1864 में हुआ था। बाल्यकाल से ही उन्हें संस्कृत ग्रंथों, विशेषतः महर्षि भरद्वाज रचित “वैमानिक शास्त्र” (Aeronauti cal Science) में अत्यन्त रुचि रही थी। वे संस्कृतके प्रकाण्ड पण्डित थे। पश्चिम के एकप्रख्यात भारतविद् स्टीफन नैप (Stephen-K napp) श्री तलपदे के प्रयोगों को अत्यन्त महत्वपूर्ण मानते हैं। एक अन्य विद्वान श्री रत्नाकर महाजन ने श्री तलपदे के प्रयोगों पर आधारित एक पुस्तिका भी लिखी हैं। श्री तलपदे का संस्कृत अध्ययन अत्यन्त ही विस्तृत था और उनके विमान सम्बन्धित प्रयोगों के आधार निम्न ग्रंथ थेः * महर्षि भरद्वाज रचित् वृहत् वैमानिक शास्त्र * आचार्य नारायण मुन रचित विमानचन्द् रिका * महर्षि शौनिक रचित विमान यन्त्र * महर्षि गर्ग मुनि रचित यन्त्र कल्प * आचार्य वाचस्पति रचित विमान बिन्दु * महर्षि ढुण्डिराज रचित विमान ज्ञानार्क प्रकाशिका स्वामी दयानंद द्वारा वेदों में विज्ञान की अवधारणा को साक्षात् रूप से दर्शन करवाने वाले श्री तलपडे पहले व्यक्ति थे .हमारे प्राचीन ग्रंथ ज्ञान के अथाह सागर हैं किन्तु वे ग्रंथ अब लुप्तप्राय -से हो गए हैं। यदि कुछ ग्रंथ कहीं उपलब्ध भी हैं तो उनका किसी प्रकार का उपयोग ही नहीं रह गया है क्योंकि हमारी दूषित शिक्षानीति हमें अपने स्वयं की भाषा एवं संस्कृति को हेय तथा पाश्चात्य भाषा एवं संस्कृति को श्रेष्ठ समझना ही सिखाती है।
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Sri Rajiv Dixit ji explaining properly how the plane invention was first invented by the Acharaya ji and how the plane successfully flew without pilot i.e with Remote. That is called Drones now a days.
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आदरनीय अग्निवीर जी,
सादर प्रणाम ,
आपके द्वारा उपलब्ध जानकारियों और हमारी वैज्ञानिक हिन्दू संस्कृति का ऐसा उदाहरण पहले नहीं मिला. आपसे अनुरोध है की इन सभी जान्कारिओं को युवा वर्ग तक पहुँचाया जाये.
हिन्दू एक वैज्ञानिक जीवन पध्यती है तथा विश्व की अनेक शाक्तिया इसे मिटाने मैं लगी है , इसके लिये स्वाम हिन्दू भी उत्तरदायी हैं. अतः उन्हें और ज्यादा जाग्रत करने की आवश्यकता है.
आपका आभारी,
संजीव सिंघल
संजीव सिंघल जी,
आप भी अग्निवीर को वेद प्रचार में मदद कर सकते है|
में अग्निवीर वेबसाईट पर प्रकाशति गुजराती लेखों को लोकल समाचार पत्रमे छपवाता हूँ|
इस तरह हर लेख घर घर तक जाता है|
आप भी ऐसा कुछ कर सकते है|
रोनक
I know our culture was great but the thing is we can not now prove that these are the inventions of Vedas although it’s true until and unless we become a nation or culture with lots of new modern inventions based on these studies. A river which flows continuously is the living river else it’s dead so is the case with all the scriptures and Vedic knowledge it’s currently dead and we have to work hard very hard to revive it to life not just by talking about it past but also look forward to add new things and dimensions to it.
“With the help of bipolar forces (Asvins), you should employ telegraphic apparatus made of good conductor of electricity. It is necessary for efficient military operations but should be used with caution.”
1. “With the help of bipolar forces” i.e magnets (you can produce electricity)
2. Where does it ask you to use electricity? it says the telegraphic device should be made of a good conductor of electricity
There are mentions of Electricity (Bidyut)) in the Mundaka Upanishad (2:2:10) in Atharva Veda and in Swetaswatatra Upanishad (6:14) in Yajurveda. The wordings are the same in both the verses- ” Na tatra suryo bhati na chandra tarakam nema bidyuto bhanti kutoayamagnih”. See the word ‘Bidyuto’ here. These are quite as old as the Rig Veda, versed not 6000 years ago, even might be 15,000 years ago , as written by Sir Max Muller,” What ever is the date of the hymns of the Hinduism, whether 1500 BC or 15,000 BCE, they have their own unique place and stand by themselves in the literature of the world.”
The presumption in the historic time period by Sir Max Muller shows that he was not confirmed about the antiquity of the Vedas. He is the most prominent Westerner Indologist researching on the Vedas. Then who fixed it as 6000 years old ? Madame H.P.Blavatsky, the founder of ‘International Theosophy Society’ in New York in the year 1875 has written in her immortal volume, ‘The Secret Doctrine’ ( Essence of 1200 Religion sources) that the Vedic culture flourished in the Lemuria-Atlantis which went under the oceans 8 lakh 50 thousand years ago.
PLease go through my article in English on this. Go to google and search, ‘ODISHA REVIEW-July 2013′ Read my article,’Truth, the Divine Wonder’.
With regards and thanks,
-Sudarshan Sahoo
Hi,
The first part of my question is:
This is with reference to the "employ telegraphic apparatus made of good conductor of electricity" claim. What are the actual Sanskrit words which have been translated into these words which were coined only in the twentieth century?
The second part of my question is:
Is there any difference between scientific knowledge and fantasy? Please don't get offended. I give a small but well known example of ALI BABA 40 CHOR. In this Arab story, there is a fantasy of a door which opens to "vocal password" command ( Remember? KHUL JA … SIM SIM!! ). Can an Arab claim that they had such technology several centuries before the modern world? Shall we accept their claim? Where is the demarcation between fantasy and scientific knowledge according to you?
(Please believe me, I find your site very logical and thus I am discussing with you. Else, I am fed up of hate sites and hate mongers.)
Yours Loving Indian Sis
Namaste Sister
Answer 1: The word by word translation is as follows:
Ashvina: Bipolar forces (Ashwin are considered a duo which exist together)
Yuvam: You both
Pedave: That causes rapid movement
Spridham: for military and noble purpose
Pritanaasu: destroying armies
Chakrityam: that causes continuous movement
Shwetam: with utmost speed
Puravaram: for multiple means of attaining success
dushtaram: Which cannot be escaped
Charshaneesaham: which is robust
Sharyaih: which can be stopped and started again and again
Abhidyum: charged with electricity
Indramiv: Powerful and fast
Tarutaram: made of metal wire and to communicate
Duvyasthah: develop
Very literally interpreted, it means that continuous motion between poles would create electricity that can be transmitted through metallic wire. This should have a mechanism to stop and start so as to effectively communicate.
This is not merely extrapolation of meanings of certain words. If you read Shukraneeti, the oldest available treatise on administration, it states that there should be such a system in place in a country that it takes not more than one day to know about places as far as 20000 miles within a day. That is approximately the circumference of earth.
Ramayan 1.56.9 mentions Valmiki teaching Ram two kinds of use of electricity (shushka and aardra).
Nirukta 7.23 refers to transmitting electric signals through sky.
Answer 2:
I agree that it becomes difficult to separate tall claims from scientific truths in absence of sufficient information. The differentiation should, however be done based on one or more of following:
a. some evidence of mechanism of action, and not merely a miraculous example. For example, this mantra of telegraph actually hints on how movement of a conductor between poles can generate electricity and help develop telegraphic apparatus.
b. reference to other literature to find semblance. For example most ancient texts describe airplane, powerful weapons etc.
c. there should be no contradictions or evidently unscientific fact. For example if some text claims that earth is flat or sun moves around earth, it has to be taken as false.
Being a student of science, I can tell that none of the principles of modern science that led to development of modern day gadgets are as miraculous as to be improbable to have been discovered in such a long history of human civilization and suddenly coming out within a span of a century or so.
In fact this seems like a great anomaly considering that even evolutionists would refuse to admit that human intelligence changed so much so suddenly!
To me, there is nothing new that has been discovered in last century or so. At best they have been rediscovered due to lack of transfer of knowledge due to a variety of reason causing breakdown of this transfer.
The only significant difference is that earlier, such principles were not made publicly available for fear of misuse. However in recent times, they got into public domain for commercial exploitation. And we all are facing the adverse effects of the same.
In earlier times, knowledge was privy only of the deserving. That is why technologies for commercial and mass-scale production were never developed. Hence we see more of these toys in name of science today.
But yes, the fundamental questions remain as unanswered as they were before this process of toy-production began in name of science.
In earlier times, this world was believed to be a temporary abode to put efforts and reach next level. So only as much technological advancement was made as was necessary for the ultimate goal. Now, because we forgot those primary lessons, this world as lived as a first and last chance to exploit and enjoy. So we got into race of producing lots of toys to keep ourselves busy in this temporary stop.
We are feeling the pinch of this race. And its time to get back to the source – the Vedas and take a fresh guard.
Sorry for this digression, but vedas do provide sufficient clues to motivate us to explore the scientific truths in them.
Namaste Agniveer,
Can you please refute Naik’s claims about flat-earth theory being propagated by VEDAS?
And can you give us any VEDIC VERSE That says earth is *spherical* in shape?
or can you locate “madhye samantandasya bhugolo vyomni tisthati{12th ch-32 sloka}” in vedas?? Because I couldn’t!
Geography in Sanskrit is called as Bho-gol. It literally means that earth is round.
I am really interested in ur post! i want to know the true meaning of vedas,which i think is the knowledge of nature and universe
….can u suggest me any book which helps me in understanding tat …. waiting for ur reply
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ go to this link and read different translations of any booku want.and u can also see how wrong and useless and untrue things are written here.shame on my motherland india.
All the translations of the Vedas there are from the late 1800s to early 1900s by Europeans from colonial powers. I would think that current translations by Indian Hindus knowledgeable in Sanksrit would be more credible.
The ali baba question, there were 2 guards inside the cave who only opened the door after someone told the password, thats how it is. When the story evolved, they added some fantasy to it.
You cannot compare the ‘Khul Ja Sim Sim’ type of fantasy Ali Baba and Chalis Chor with the ancient scientific texts like The Vedas, which have educated the Man Kind through Millions of Years altogether. It is the saddest part of the story that today we have lost all touch and knowledge with these Ancient Scientific literature of our country. We have neglected and forgotten this eternal gift of knowledge and today are going after the Western Science, which is just re-discovering the knowledge which we have already gifted through the Vedas. Cow-Dung purifies everything – It is said in the Vedas. (Today Modern Science says – Cow Dung has the ability to kill germs and bacterias). There are references to the Solar System in the Vedas. (Today in Modern Science have proved this to be true). There are references to flying objects in Vedas and certain guidelines on how to make them.(In modern era, we see these planes being constructed). In Vedas, there is telepathy, sound effecfts – All these technologies are approved by Modern Science today. There is much more. Just study the Vedas before making any further comments.
thats true vaibhav gupta ji,
there are various evidences and various experiments which enlightens the real science of vedas, veidic pujas and veidic texts,
even before the introduction of pole star to the world the it was already discovered earlier.
Dear Sana,
If you go to your own believe, its a truth otherwise its fake.For an example : Who tells you that the person you called father is really your father, its only the believe on your mother who tells you, or not.
Yes of course there is my believe if anything happens in the past, it has that technology at that moment. Also in Bharat, there was so many technics founded by our Rishies (scientists) , which was lost due to in-capabilities of the powers to hold them.
Thank you brother for caring to reply. Unfortunately I have seen it just now, I will go through it in detail and get back to you in couple of days' time. Hope it's alright. May God bless you. aameen.
Yours Loving Indian Sister
Sana
Aameen! Your sisterly affection really touched me. In Vedic culture, this brother-sister relation is among the most pious and glorious. Your emphasis on Indianness was even more touching. May we live and interact like brothers and sisters with all sons and daughters of Motherland! Afterall we are one family!
Assalamu Alaikum dear brother,
Thank you so much brother for your affectionate response. I do know very well, the importance of this sacred relationship of brother and sister. That's precisely why I chose to call you my brother. I am proud I am your sister.
This sisterly affection and respect comes to you without any price tag. This shall never obstruct you in the matters which you stand for. I shall never say "be soft to this or him because I am your sister". Never, insha Allah.
I will surely send a Rakhi to you this year. Hope it will find space on your wrist 🙂
Yours Loving Indian Sis
Sana
I shall indeed be honored to have your rakhi. And the sisterly affection does have one price tag – a commitment and promise to protect my sister and ensure her well-being. And I would be more than happy to pay this price.
Your honored brother!
Agniveer
I fully agree with these standards suggested by you:
"I agree that it becomes difficult to separate tall claims from scientific truths in absence of sufficient information. The differentiation should, however be done based on one or more of following:
a. some evidence of mechanism of action, and not merely a miraculous example.
b. reference to other literature to find semblance.
c. there should be no contradictions or evidently unscientific fact."
Actually I am carrying out a small study about the profile of 'Ashwini" that's the cause behind delay. I may discuss about it after about 2 days.
May Allah bless India and all innocent Indians. Aameen.
@SANA 2011 ISLAM TERRORIST BINLADEN KILLED 2012 ISLAM TERRORIST AJMAL KASAB HANGED 2013 MUAHAMAD AFAZL HANGED
Hi Sana,
please visit . http://www.faithfreedom.org first , You need to know a lot about ISLAM.
@sana
Namaste sister,
We would like to have your comments on all the articles on this site and specially on two articles-"Islam and women rights" and "I am a muslim wife". Most of our muslim friends recommend us for hell but do not give replies to our questions. Sister, you look much more sensible than those.
I appreciate your work agniveer . Vedas contain all knowledge eternal science maths, Karm kand and path to achieve salvation and know secrets of creation by following brahma vidya.
People must read this websitehttp://www.hinduwisdom.info and vedas in the eyes of renowned wetern authors at (http://www.slideshare.net/sgewali2000/what-is-india-current-b-1615487). This will clear all misconceptions. To quote a few :-
Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882) an author, essayist, lecturer, philosopher, Unitarian minister who lectured on theology at Harvard University. Emerson was born at Boston in 1803 into a distinguished family of New England Unitarian ministers. His was the eighth generation to enter the ministry in a dynasty that reached back to the earliest days of Puritan America. Despite the death of his father when Emerson was only eleven, he was able to be educated at Boston Latin School and then Harvard, from which he graduated in 1821. After several years of reluctant school teaching, he returned to the Harvard Divinity School, entering the Unitarian ministry during a period of robust ecclesiastic debate Following the death of his first wife, Ellen, his private religious doubts led him to announce his resignation to his congregation, claiming he was unable to preach a doctrine he no longer believed.
He was becoming increasingly disillusioned with aspects of Christian teaching that just did not make sense to his active and inquiring intelligence. He was influenced by Indian Scriptures the most. His initial rebellion against Christianity in its various forms prompted him to find a ready refuge in the idealism of Hinduism. In his Journal, Emerson paid homage to Vedic thought:
" It is sublime as night and a breathless ocean. It contains every religious sentiment, all the grand ethics which visit in turn each noble poetic mind….It is of no use to put away the book; if I trust myself in the woods or in a boat upon the pond. Nature makes a Brahmin of me presently: eternal compensation, unfathomable power, unbroken silence….This is her creed. peace, she saith to me, and purity and absolute abandonment – these panaceas expiate all sin and bring you to the beatitude of the Eight Gods."
Mark Twain (1835-1910) also known as Samuel Clemens, one of the most widely loved and celebrated American writers since his first books were released in the late 1860s. Many of his writings have reached the pinnacles of American and world literature, including the timeless Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court and Following the Equator. Besides these easily recognizable classics, Twain wrote fascinating Travelogue detailing his experiences in Asia. "Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of human speech, grandmother of legend, great grandmother of tradition. The land that all men desire to see and having seen once even by a glimpse, would not give that glimpse for the shows of the rest of the globe combined."
Dr. Arnold Joseph Toynbee (1889-1975) the great British historian. His massive research was published in 12 volumes between 1934 and 1961 as `A Study of History'. Author of several books, including Christianity: Among the Religions of the World and One World and India. Toynbee was a major interpreter of human civilization in the 20th century.
"It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending if it is not to end in self-destruction of the human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in human history , the only way of salvation is the ancient Hindu way. Here we have the attitude and spirit that can make it possible for the human race to grow together in to a single family."
Annie Besant, proponent of the philosophy of Theosophy, gave many a lecture in which she aired her views that India was a victim of the mischief wrought by Christian missionaries.
A friend of Swami Vivekananda, Mrs. Besant was trying to lead Indians back to their own gods and arouse their sense of self-respect and pride in the greatness of their religions.
This is what she said on India and Hinduism :
"After a study of some forty years and more of the great religions of the world, I find none so perfect , none so scientific, none so philosophical and none so spiritual that the great religion known by the name of Hinduism. Make no mistake, without Hinduism, India has no future. Hinduism is the soil in to which India's roots are stuck and torn out of that she will inevitably wither as a tree torn out from its place. And if Hindus do not maintain Hinduism who shall save it? If India's own children do not cling to her faith who shall guard it. India alone can save India and India and Hinduism are one. "
I have put all quotes from hindu wisdom Ms sushma londhe has laboriously collected and beautifully presented authentic information of renowned western scholars , which is a fitting tribute to yogis our sages and our philosophers of vedas all rishis
Few more quotes for widening the narrow minds brain dead Indians:
Claude Arpi ( ? ) French dentist-turned- Tibetologist, author of Fate of Tibet: When Big Insects Eat Small Insects has written:
"Though I am still a French man, I adopted this country as my own long ago However, today, I am sad. When I left France for India, I came with a dream: I was going to the land of the Vedas, of the Buddha, a continent with an eternal religion. I thought everyone in this country was turned "inwards", seeking a higher light; I believed India would soon be able to guide the world towards a more meaningful tomorrow. Why I am sad now? I can't help feeling a terrible divide between this dream and today's reality (at least the one depicted in the English media).
I still believe in "India of the ages", but I cannot grasp why Indians themselves still refuse to acknowledge the greatness of their culture.
Is it not disheartening that historians base their judgment on press reports and not on their own scholarship? Then why do they spend three days discussing text-books when there are so many more important subjects related to history to be discussed?
What about the neglected discoveries of Poompuhar or the new sites in the Gulf of Cambay?
It is estimated that 12 million Americans are today practicing yoga and that 450 yoga centers are blossoming in the US. The same tidal wave is submerging Europe. In France alone, more than one million people are practicing Buddhist meditation.
What is sad and shocking is that these historians, like many intellectuals in India, are not at all concerned by what has always made India great, they prefer to denigrate India. "
(source: India of old-new dreams – by Claude Arpi – dailypioneer.com).
257. Jean Michel Varenne ( ? ) the distinguished French Orientalist wrote in 1976:
“The only remaining testimony to the prestigious civilization of ancient Egypt lies buried in archaeological remains; which meant that the inhabitants of the Nile valley, converted to Islam thirteen centuries ago, had to wait for Champollion to decipher the hieroglyphics before they could know anything of the beliefs of their distant ancestors. Yet during all this time Hindu families continued, and still continue today, to venerate the selfsame Vishnu who is celebrated in the archaic hymns of the Rig Veda…”
“It would be impossible to overemphasize this exceptional durability of a civilization that is extremely difficult to conceive of as mortal. And certainly the Hindus themselves would be the last to subscribe to the notion that all cultures have a limited life-span. That is the product of Western minds trained at an early age to write essays on “The Causes of the fall of the Roman Empire,” of a Christian or a Moslem faith proud of the fact that its first believers once repudiated pagan polytheism, and therefore prone to assume that all civilizations are perishable the same way as human beings themselves. To the traditional minded Hindu, on the other hand, such revolutions are inconceivable, for him, the religion he professes has no beginning and no end; it had no founder, and it lies in no one’s power to attack or breach it. It is the eternal norm (in Sanskrit, sanatana dharma), the universal law, the supreme religion. Being absolute, it cannot be modified in any way and remains identical to itself down through the ages.”
Traditional India knows that nothing in the universe is chance, that everything is necessity. In the infinite multiplicity of the real it reads a reference to unity, and perceives the rule of a sovereign order even where complexity seems in danger of lapsing chaos and incoherence. The All, in itself and in each of its parts, is governed by an immutable, unbreakable law that supports the world while at the same time transcending it absolutely."
It would be nice I think if Agniveer would collect all the good things people from around the world have said about Hinduism that commentors such as yourself have put up. It could be a section in the site that could continuously grow.
Hi Agniveer! Bro i went through the Yajurveda Adhyay 32 Mantra 7,8,9,10.. u said in the description that many western cynics of vedas have translated the verse no. 8 as Earth is Flat.. but thats rubbish!!!!!… the verse 32.8 actually tells you totally different thing.. even if not translated in english, HIndi, gujarati, arabic or any damn language.. u can see clearly what it suggests.. verse 32.8 means " All the Knowledgeable persons who have known God through their "Buddhi" (spiritual Intelligence), the whole world, sky everything finds support in him.. n during dissolution everything enters him n are manifested in varied forms during creation, with god pervading each n everything. only he is god n no one else"
Now, where do you find "Earth is Flat" in this verse?????????????… absolute non sense!!!!!! Just because certain people want to soil vedas they can do it!!!!… There are many words used in Vedas which have more than 50 meanings.. and which meaning is intended in the given verse depends on the verses preceding n following that particular verse and of course on your perception!!.. Those who read Vedas with "CLEAR UNBIASED MIND " know in the heart of their heart that there is nothing as Authentic than Vedas n nothing worth reading after you have read Vedas!!.. Its the ULTIMATE TRUTH
We completely agree with you! That is the problem with Western indologists. At times they would manipulate the most obvious words to mean whatever they want to propagate. The foundation of this site is that Vedas are Ultimate Truth. In forthcoming articles we shall expose such myths propagated by Western indologists in greater detail.
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Angira
Hello,
What do you think about scientific errors in Hindu scriptures? Here is just two important examples from the upanishads.
1)
In Prasna upanishad it is said:
4:2 "O Gargya, just as all the rays of the setting sun become unified in this orb of light, and they disperse from the sun as it rises up again similarly all that becomes unified in the mind" (Prasna upanishad 4:2)
@Merve
brother, only Vedas are the revealed scriptures not Upanishads or Puranas so I challenge u to show me scientific errors in those?
Wow You claim Upanishads are not revealed? How come they are "sruti" then? And by reading just 4 Veda Samhitas, what do you understand about Hinduism? Simply nothing!
Namaste
Upanishads are not Shruti. Only veda Samhita are revealed and Shruti.
By reading Vedas, one would understand nothing about anything, forget about Hinduism. Because understanding Vedas demand much more than verbatim reading, unlike a Bible or Quran or books of Communism. Vedas have to be meditated upon and that is possible only after significant homework in daily living.
Also, Hinduism is a much later dated word. By reading Vedas, you would not understand anything about many modern cults of Hinduism except that they are against principles of Vedas.
Further to understand the Vedas, you will need to study other ancillary texts like Brahmans, Upanishads, Manu Smiriti, 6 darshans, 6 upavedas, 6 Vedangas in a holistic manner. These texts are not as authentic as Vedas and hence you would need to smartly cross-verify them to reject whatever in untruth. Needless to say, you would need to have disposition of a yogi to make sense out of it.
For a beginning level study, we recommend Satyarth Prakash (Light of Truth) and Rigvedadibhashyabhumika (Introduction to Vedas) to be read at least once – cover to cover. That would dispel a lot of misunderstandings. You can read them online in English athttp://www.vjsingh.info/books.html but we recommend a hard copy, and preferably in Hindi, that can be obtained fromhttp://www.vedicbooks.com
Please let us know if we can assist you in this!
Dhanyavad
Vayu
Agniveer Editorial Board
Sir, I read dozens of books on Vedic religions, Hinduism and Vedas, they are written Hindus, Indian Scholars, gurus and indologists.etc They ALL say that Upanishads are shruti, they are part of Vedas.
I'm so confused why you say "upanishads are not shruti" Can you show me some evidence that upanishads are not shruti? (Who says that) since Upanishads themselves claim They are revelations and They are shruti.
And can you show me JUST ONE SINGLE VERSE from 4 Veda Samhitas which speaks about reincarnation or karma?
Thanks.
Namaste
Kindly cite evidence from scriptures regarding Upanishads being Vedas. Rest of the evidences demanded by you are available at the link I earlier gave.
Dhanyavad
Vayu
Dear Agniveerji
Are there six upavedas?I can see the names of only four upavedas.Please clear me on this.
For all those wondering where in the Vedas it talks about Karma based reincarnation. Please see the quote that is below:
“O soul, God grants for thy bodies in different births, according to thy DEEDS a happy or unhappy place on this earth. May radiant beams prove helpful to thee!” (Chapter 35, verse 2) Translated by Devi Chand M.A.
– This is very clear that the Veda is talking about Karma. The fact that the word DEEDS is a very clear indicator of it. And it also talks about different births, which is also clear about reincarnation. The whole verse is clearly about rebirth based on ones deeds.
And that was in the Yajur Veda.
I would suggest a basic book such as “The Hindu Mind: Fundamentals of Hindu Religion and Philosophy for All Ages” by
Bansi Pandit. Can get it at Amazon website http://www.amazon.com/Hindu-Mind-Fundamentals-Religion-Philosophy/dp/8178220075 . He put all the scriptures in order and explains how they fit and which are smriti and sruti.
Namaste
Brahmans and Aranyaks explain Vedas and are not Vedas themselves. Simple way to test this is that there are traditions of Paatha Vidhi for Vedas and not Brahmans and Aranyaks. Further only Vedas have maatra signs over them. Thirdly Vedas do not have any history as in these other texts. All scholars know that when Vedas are said, it implies Veda Samhitas. However when comprehensive study of Vedas is to be conveyed, these other texts are included because of their usefulness in understanding the Vedas.
Dhanyavad
Vayu
The concerned shloka describes function of mind. It uses an analogy of how the sun appears during sunset and sunrise. The rishi is not explaining mechanism of sunrise and sunset here, but trying to make one understand in simplified manner, how the mind functions. Indeed, just as during sunset we see that rays of sun progressively get weaker and are not able to enlighten the world around, but get limited to sun gradually, similarly as the mind sets down, all the activities of our organs also set down and are not able to function. They become one with the mind. This is a beautiful way to explain how mind is the source and organs (sensory and action) act as per drive of mind.
Please note that the subject of Upanishads is not physical sciences(Apara Vidya), but metaphysical sciences (Para Vidya). Just as it would be foolish to try to discover theories of astronomy in books of medicine, similarly, taking a philosophical analogy of Upanishads to deduce that Rishis did not know science, would be too naive.
If indeed you need to show ignorance of Rishis in matters of Physical sciences, kindly provide reference from Vedas – that contain source of all Para and Apara Vidya.
Dhanyavad
Vayu
Agniveer Editorial Board
Namaste
1. Please note that Upanishads are not final authority, especially in matters of Physical sciences. They are human-created texts to understand some philosophical aspects of Vedas. But they are not equal to Vedas in terms of authenticity.
2. This shloka describes not the physical air, but the sookshma bhoot (elemental matter) Vayu. As per Vedic darshan, nature has 5 variants – Agni, Jal, Vayu, Akash, Prithvi (Fire, Water, Air, Earth). These are not to be confused with physical entities that we commonly know by these names. Also, in order of creation, from Akash, first Vayu is created, then from Vayu, Jal is created, from Jal, Agni is created and finally Earth is created. So ultimately Fire and Prithvi and Jal elements also merge into Vayu during dissolution. So even the sun and moon, when dissolved will become Vayu tattva as it has been in previous creation cycle.
Dhanyavad
Vayu
Agniveer Editorial Board
Upanishads are called Shruti, and they are said to be "divine revelations" They are called" Vedanta" which means "end of vedas" . They are portions of Vedas.
And Veda Samhitas (Which you call "Vedas") do not contain any philosophy (except one or two creation hymns) Bulk of Veda Samhitas are just prayers to various Gods they are primitive texts.
If you don't believe me, you can read it for yourself:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/index.htm
And the "scientific" verses you quoted above do not exists in Veda samhitas please check:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/index.htm
Namaste
1. Vedanta does not refer to Upanishads but to Brahma Sutras which are part of 6 Darshans. Vedanta are Vedanta because they are studied after Vedas have been understood.
2. The links you are giving are works of ignorant western indologists like Max Muller or Wilson. Just as you do not take evidence of a street-beggar when designing economic policy, it is foolish to give reference to works of these semi-literate people in matters of Vedas. Kindly refer the texts we suggested athttp://www.vjsingh.info/books.html
Dhanyavad
Vayu
Max Muller's translation of Upanishads are full of wisdom. However, Veda samhitas (again, his translations) are so primitive do not contain any wisdom or any doctrine. (Except 1-2 creation Hymns) It's like 10 000 pages long and just 1 or 2 pages of 10 000 pages contain some teaching, some wisdom and philosophy. (these are creation hymns).
If Max Muller wants to translate Veda samhitas badly so people cannot see wisdom in them, so WHY He translated upanishads so full of wisdom?
This proves that Vedas are primitive texts, however Upanishads are full of wisdom.
Namaste
1. Kindly provide us with your qualifications regarding Vedas and Sanskrit so that we can assess if your statements are to be taken further seriously. You seem to be convinced about Vedas being crap, without knowing what they are or how to study them. Your sole basis seems to be Max Muller's verdict. And we know how intelligent was he.
2. Upanishads are in fairly simple Sanskrit closer to our period. To translate Vedas is a different game altogether.
Kindly provide your qualifications, so that we can arrange a Vedic scholar who can analyze each mantra word by word to see what it means and what max Muller wants it to mean. But for that, you would need to have some basic study of language.
Dhanyavad
Vayu
merve,
you have actually misinterpreted the vedas. ………………….and so you look for such errored transs.
also, the western scientists, great men, etc. appreciated the vedas.
actually, they understood the real meaning of the vedas and fond it as superior to any thinking ..
if it(vedas) had any sort of “errors”, they must have not actually appreciated them,
but they found the vedas as a blessing to science, intelligence, wisdom,knowladge, scientists and scholars etc. visit this link:
Alfred North Whitehead (British mathematician, logician and philosopher), who stated that: “Vedanta is the most impressive metaphysics the human mind has conceived.”
The well-known early American writer Ralph Waldo Emerson, read the Vedas daily. Emerson wrote: “I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavat-Gita”
Henry David Thoreau said: “In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita… in comparison with which… our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial.”
Voltaire, (the famous French writer and philosopher) stated that “Pythagoras went to the Ganges to learn geometry.” Abraham Seidenberg, author of the authoritative “History of Mathematics,” credits the Sulba Sutras as inspiring all mathematics of the ancient world from Babylonia to Egypt to Greece.
Vedas paint the picture of scientific religion, where religion and science clap together. Vedas are based on religion, science and philosophy.”
– Brown
Hinduism is the only religion in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology. The Hindu literature is work of a GENIUS -Dr. Steinn Sigurdsson, Pennsylvania State University
It looks like that the writers of Vedas and Puranas came from the future to deliver knowledge. The works of the Ancient Arya Sages is mind blowing. There is no doubt that Puranas and Vedas are word of God. -Scott Sandford, Space Scientist, NASA
“How could Hindus (Aryas) have possibly known all this 6,000 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment which did not exist at that time? Such concepts were found only recently. “ -Dr. Kevin Hurley of the University of California at Berkeley
Prof. N. Hugen used to be a great critic of the Indian Mythology. However, after investigating more into the concepts of Super Gravity and Anti Gravity, he had also accepted that these together with the hypothesis of the Black Holes could be better understood in light of the insights of Vedic Philosophy.
“Finally we came to conclusion that Universe is shaped like a egg but this information was already present in Hindu Literature.” (Alan Kogut, NASA)
“This is amazing to find the facts proven only in 20th century
already present in Hindu Holy Books”.
(D. Gubbins, University of Leeds, Department of Earth Sciences, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK)
Erwin Schroedinger (1887-1961), Austrian theoretical physicist, best known for his discovery of wave mechanics, which won him the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1933, wished to see: “Some blood transfusion from the East to the West” to save Western science from spiritual anemia.” ”In all the world,” writes Schroedinger in his book, My View of the World (chapter iv), “there is no kind of framework within which we can find consciousness in the plural; this is simply something we construct because of the temporal plurality of individuals, but it is a false construction….The only solution to this conflict insofar as any is available to us at all lies in the ancient wisdom of the Upanishad.”
Religious faith in the case of the Hindus has never been allowed to run counter to scientific laws, moreover the former is never made a condition for the knowledge they teach, but there are always scrupulously careful to take into consideration the possibility that by reason both the agnostic and atheist may attain truth in their own way. Such tolerance may be surprising to religious believers in the West, but it is an integral part of Vedantic belief. - Romain Rolland
Standing outside of Cern, which houses the large Hadron collider in Geneva is a statue of the Hindu God Shiva. Shiva is the destroyer or transformer of the world, following Brahma the creator and Vishnu the preserver. Shiva’s dance is the cosmic cycle of creation and destruction, and even describes the way that particles arise and transform; a perfect analogy for what Cern is trying to accomplish— to unlock the secrets of the Universe or as a person of faith might put it, to know the mind of God, the Universe or Brahman.
Sage Kanad (circa 600 BCE) is recognized as the founder of atomic theory, and classified all the objects of creation into nine elements (earth, water, light or fire, wind, ether, time, space, mind and soul). He stated that every object in creation is made of atoms that in turn connect with each other to form molecules nearly 2,500 years before John Dalton. Further, Kanad described the dimension and motion of atoms, and the chemical reaction with one another.
The eminent historian, T.N. Colebrook said, “Compared to scientists of Europe, Kanad and other Indian scientists were the global masters in this field.”
Dr. Carl Sagan, (1934-1996) famous astrophysicist, in his book, Cosmos, says: “The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology.“
Describing the Nataraja, Lord Shiva in the form of cosmic dancer, he says: “These profound and lovely images are, I like to imagine, a kind of premonition of modern astronomical ideas.” Sagan continues, “A millennium before Europeans were willing to divest themselves of the Biblical idea that the world was a few thousand years old, the Mayans were thinking of millions and the Hindus billions.” In the television series “Cosmos”, he acknowledges that of all the world’s philosophies and religions those originating in India are remarkably consistent with contemporary scenarios of space, time and existence.
“Amid all the beliefs of Europe, and of Asia, that of the Indian Brahmins seems to me infinitely the most alluring. And the reason why I love the Brahmin more than the other schools of Asiatic thought is because it seems to me to contain them all. Greater than all European philosophies, it is even capable of adjusting itself to the vast hypotheses of modern science. Our Christian religions have tried in vain, when there were no other choice open to them, to adapt themselves to the progress of science. But after having allowed myself to be swept away by the powerful rhythm of Brahmin thought, along the curve or life, with its movement of alternating ascent and return, I come back to my own century, and while finding therein the immense projections of a new cosmogony, offspring of the genius of Einstein, or deriving freely from the discoveries, I yet do not feel that I enter a strange land. I yet can hear resounding still the cosmic symphony of all those planets which forever succeed each other, are extinguished and once more illumined, with their living souls, their humanities, their gods – according to the laws of the eternal To Become, the Brahmin Samsara – I hear Siva dancing, dancing in the heart of the world, in my own heart.” – Romain Rolland
more shall be shown to you
this proves THERE ARE NO ERRORS IN THE VEDAS
Namaste
Your statement on Samhitas is based on what foolish indologists having no idea of Vedas or Vedic Sanskrit have written, because they could do so since India was a slave of Britain. It is called – Jiski Laathi, uski Bhains justice. In other words, a judge said that buffalo belongs to him who has a weapon in his hand!
Please refer the link given by us to dispel such notions.http://www.vjsingh.info/books.html
Furthermore, Vedas are prayers to one and only one God.
Many small children get bored when they have to study books without stories and illustrations. They enjoy only comics. That does not mean that great authors of the world were idiots or they were boring people. It simply implies that these children need to rise above comics and develop their mental faculties further to be able to enjoy such refinements.
Dhanyavad
Vayu
1) Well I can find 100 plus Hindu web sites and Hindu scholars or encyclopedias for you who says Upanishads are divine revelations, they are Vedanta. Here is just one example:
"The Upanishads have always been regarded in India as the crown of the Veda and as the end of the Veda as implied by the term vedānta"
http://www.vedah.com/org2/literature/upanishads/i…
Do you want me to find more?
2) Sir, do you believe reincarnation and karma?
If yes, that's cool.
CAN YOU JUST SHOW ME SINGLE VERSE about karma or reincarnation in Veda Samhitas?
thanks.
Namaste
1. Instead of giving evidence of 100 plus Hindu sites, please provide reference from any authentic scripture. Kindly state which book, which verse states that Upanishads are part of Vedas (except Ishopanishad which is adaptation of 40th chapter of Yajurveda)
2. Kindly refer the books I suggested. You will get several mantras regarding reincarnation and Karma from Veda Samhita.
Dhanyavad
Vayu
…But you say Upanishads are not revealed or they are not shruti, so the most important thing in life like Moksha, reincarnation and karma are not found in "revealed" scriptures(veda samhitas), if upanishads are not Shruti then all of the most important teachings like reincarnation, karma and moksha and all of the beautifull mysticism about life, all of the wisdom of the Vedic Dharma are just personal opinions of upanishadic philosophers. Max muller is a Sanskrit professor so your "beggar" example doesn't apply. He translates what he reads in Sanskrit. He translated all of the veda samhitas ( Four vedas) but they are so primitive, do not contain any teaching and wisdom. It's you that push the primitive texts so hard to mean something meaningful or good. Max Muller also translated upanishads, they contain maybe the most beautiful philosophies in the world.
What I mean is if Max Muller intended to translate Veda Samhitas this primitive way, why did he translate Upanishads so nicely that contains full of wisdom? Western philosophers also liked upanishads, Schopenhauer said about upanishads: "It has been the solace of my life, it will be the solace of my death"
1. We did not say that Upanishads are bad. We simply said that Vedas are divine and much above Upanishads. Vedas are from Ishwar. To understand it, mere knowledge of contemporary sanskrit does not suffice because vedic sanskrit is different from sanskrit of Upanishad. Even Upanishads claim vedas to be supreme. And Max Muller was indeed a Bible monger. He cannot be taken seriously.
Please refer the links and learn yourself. Do not tell anyone that Max Muller was a bigger scholar than Dayanand. That would be considered a joke.
Upanishads are from Vedas, so they are also great. But your intention seems less great. because you started with condemning Upanishads. Now when we brought focus on vedas, you have suddenly started loving them and are condemning Vedas instead. In Islam this is called Taqiah. This is called Pakhand in Sanskrit and hypocrisy in English.
Because of this, the moderators have decided to disapprove some of your posts which repeat the same thing but provide no intelligent fact or evidence.
Finally, for general readers, western scholars could not help praise the glory of Upanishads because they are amazing. But had they been able to study vedas, they would have changed the directions of their lives! In subsequent posts we shallbe studying Vedas in detail.
Dhanyavad
Vayu
this amply proves there are no scientific” errors ” in the “upanishands”
Pranam Agniveer!!
Brother you are right!.. upanishads are great.. but VEDAS ARE ULTIMATE!. they are the "ADI" and "ANANT".. Upanishads are simplified explanations of Vedas… they are explained in forms of stories and Conversations in subtle metaphoric form for easy understanding… The form of sanskrit used in upanishads is the Colloquial one.. while the sanskrit used in Vedas is the Older form of it..
And as far as the scientific and astronomical knowledge of the Rishis is concerned.. its idiotic.. infact insane to be cynical with them.. Their Astronomical View of the Universe was Geocentric.. and it was their VIEW that was Geocentric.. this doesnt mean they were not aware that Sun is the centre of the solar system.. Agniveer has given references of the verses from the vedas itself that suggests this thing…Rishis' geocentric view point was only used for Calculations.. and guage the effects of various Constellations, Planets and their Gravity on Human beings.. especially the MIND.. Infact their View simply HAD to be geocentric as they were concerned with the cosmic effect on the Human minds…
Upanishads say .."Whatever is in the Body (Pind) is in the universe (Brahmand) and whatever is in the Universe (Brahmand) is in the Body (PInd)."… hence the planets, Stars, Constellational arrangements are bound to have an effect on human body and mind.. In San Fransisco.. the Police girds up for more criminal encounters than normal during the Full Moon Day.. as the Moon's Gravitational pull has direct effect on the Human mind especially in making "Decisions"…which leads to more crime during the Full Moon Day.. . the Upanishas also say that the moon has a direct effect on the "Mann"… and today the scientists say the same thing!!!… the body is made up of all the elements.. calcium, iron, magnesium, sodium, silicon, … all these elements are formed during the supernova explosion of a dying star.. as billions of degrees of temperature is required for the nuclear fusion.. thats why the scientists say "our body is nothing but just Star Dust".. ."We are all Cosmic beings".. all these modern statements conforms with the Upanishad!!!.. which stated "Whatever is in the Body (Pind) is in the universe (Brahmand) and whatever is in the Universe (Brahmand) is in the Body (PInd).".. I am doctor myself and i have put to the ultimate test, the vedas and the upanishads, and have not found anything even remotely as logically satisfying as the vedas, upanishads.
And the so called "Mistakes in the Hindu Scriptures" is nothing but misperception of a stubborn mind.. if one doesnt wanna learn the Ultimate truth.. fine.. he/she is free to leave n follow Bibles n Qurans etc..
Namaste,
Thanks for a brilliant piece of writing! Its really motivating to hear such views from someone who has studied both modern science and vedic science as exhibited in Upanishads. We cannot claim that we know everything about vedic sciences and hence we know it is best. But from whatever we know, we can be assured that the treasure-house has a capacity to keep amazing our minds for millenniums. The problem comes when people start trying to understand these texts with same mindset that is udes to study a Quran or Bible. A prisoner forced to live years in pit darkness, when exposed to sunlight finds it bit too torturous. They want to explore the sunny world without going through the pain of opening their eyes! So they keep bumping here and there, and then complain that sun causes trouble!
Dhanyavad
Agni
i m a layman in the field of ved so kindly accept my naive questions.
well first of all the article written by agniveer is simply brilliant. congratulations! and of course the discussions are far far better than the article.
@nilay i simply cant buy ur argument that full moon night is some how responsible for more number of criminal cases. can u please demonstrate it scientifically?
as far as i know it is time and again proven that astrology is false.
after reading about ved on net i reaffirmed my previous supposition that the rishi munis were great scientist. but again one questn reamined unanswered that
1. was it there imagination backed by mathematical calculation or it was more of imagination less of mathematical backing. (i found the proof of speed of light but could not find others.)
eg: like ” parmanu” of sage kanada. i could not found the various equations which we use in modern days for quantum physics used by Sage kanad. i read that that it was his imagination that smallest indivisible particle is ”parmanu”. like thinking about a vibrating string as the smallest particle is entirely a different cup of tea compared to deriving it mathematically.
2.basically i want to say that a raw idea is different thing compared to the idea derived mathematically. i concede that our ancestors were great mathematician and scientist but arent we too much extrapolating their work?
3. thirdly and lastly i would like to humbly request all the people that even if the western scientist are rediscovering what we already did does not make them a feeble or bad scientist. people like copernicus, keepler, galilieo, newton, schrodinger, de broglie, einstein and all are equally great like our great rishi munis.
@agniveer i hope u will throw some light.
"Max Muller and Griffitth and all other western peoples' translations are all trash items".
Can you just prove your bold claim?
"Max Muller and Griffitth and all other western peoples' translations are all trash items. "
Again can you prove this bold claim?
Here is an instance what I'm talking about. Please just compare those two translations and tell me what do you make of it.
The verse: RIG VEDA 10: 126,8
The real translation reads:
"As in this place, O Holy Ones, ye Vasus freed even the Gaud when her feet were fettered.
So free us now from trouble and affliction: and let our life be lengthened still, O Api."
RIG VEDA 10: 126,8.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10126.h…
And translations of your reformer "swamis:
"He who has created this multiform universe, and is the cause of its sustenance as well as dissolution, the Lord of the universe in whom the whole world exists, is sustained and then resolved into elementary condition, is the Supreme Spirit. Know Him, O man, to be your God and believe in no other as the Creator of the Universe." RIG VEDA 10: 126, 8.
http://www.vjsingh.info/chaptereight.html
I Just CANNOT see EVEN a similarity! Can you?
merve,
you are wrong.
this is the correct translation:
“He who has created this multiform universe, and is the cause of its sustenance as well as dissolution, the Lord of the universe in whom the whole world exists, is sustained and then resolved into elementary condition, is the Supreme Spirit. Know Him, O man, to be your God and believe in no other as the Creator of the Universe.” RIG VEDA 10: 126, 8.
the other one is wrong.
@Merve
the proof for my bold claim are their translations itself. When u read their translations they dont make sense and hence creates errors. Now, try reading translations by Arya Samaj, they show no sign of any error or contradiction.
Arya samaj or others only fabricated verses instead of translating like I showed you above.
Arya Samaj or others do not actually translate, they fabricate.
But Max Muller himself was wrong in the translations, and Griffith just followed him. How can Arya Samaj fabricate verses? Go to any guru, and he will tell you the same meaning of the verse as Arya Samaj, is the matter of using the correct criteria, which muller or griffith didnt use.
How about you? Do you know Sanskrit better than Muller and Griffth? If yes, you should prove that Griffth translation is wrong.
I already proved that Dayanand fabricates, instead of translating he rewrites Vedas! here is a good example:
The verse: RIG VEDA 10: 126,8
The real translation reads:
"As in this place, O Holy Ones, ye Vasus freed even the Gaud when her feet were fettered.
So free us now from trouble and affliction: and let our life be lengthened still, O Api."
RIG VEDA 10: 126,8.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10126.h…
And translations of Dayanand
"He who has created this multiform universe, and is the cause of its sustenance as well as dissolution, the Lord of the universe in whom the whole world exists, is sustained and then resolved into elementary condition, is the Supreme Spirit. Know Him, O man, to be your God and believe in no other as the Creator of the Universe." RIG VEDA 10: 126, 8.
http://www.vjsingh.info/chaptereight.html
Now prove that Dayanand translation is better than the other!
If you do not know anything, and yet want to thrust your conclusion, you are merely showing that your intention is to cast allegations because of your personal hatred.
a. Provide us your qualifications, so that we can associate a scholar who can intelligently discuss the mantras. But if someone has not learned calculus, the formula for volume of a sphere cannot be explained.
b. Instead of asking us to prove why Dayanand's translation is better, you explain why it is wrong and griffith is right. Explain which word has been translated wrongly, and why. And why should Grifith's translation be accepted.
And if your knowledge is too limited to discuss these, please find a scholar in Sanskrit to represent you, and we would be glad to debate this publicly with him, after reviewing his qualifications. You would understand that it is impossible for us to respond to every ridiculous allegation that people may make due to their frustrations. We have to be selective in replying to hundreds of mails and comments that we receive on this site daily.
Henceforth, for sake of maintaining the readability of the pages, if a frivolous comment is found on site, moderators would have discretion to delete the same. Subject of science in vedas can be discussed either with a scholar or a seeker of knowledge only.
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Dhanyavad
Vayu
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you fool
you have not given word to word trans
but agniveer and dayanand has given it
SO YOUR CLAIM THAT DAYANAND HAS NOT TRANSLATED BUT “FABRICATED” THE VERSES OF VEDAS is absolutey wrong
@Merve
There can not be any similarity between a wise and a fool. This is the whole point. Try to read the translation of Rishis rather than any Taantrik or indologist.
@Arya
Namaste Brother,
by the way, was the Vedic teachings of Sayaan different from Rishis, because I heard Max Muller followed Sayaan's formats?
Namaste Merve,
You are trying to understand indian scriptures through westerners' perception??!!!… then u should ask about Bibles and Qurans n all those stuff to a Brahmin!!!… and as i said.. words in sanskrit have more than one meaning.. Just a simple word Agni has more than 50 meanings!… so even translation done by someone who doesnt understand the thing properly can go wrong… its a tragedy in your case that just like westerners who dont know the meaning intended in a particular verse.. u too are following them.. just like a blind leading a blind!!… u say arya samaj fabricates.. i say those westerners fabricate.. can u prove me wrong?? u cant because i know that the interpretation of the vedic verses is done according to the meaning of the words intended in those verses.. if western philosophers TRANSLATE the verses with an english equivalent.. then there are thousands of words in Sanskrit which doesnt have an english equivalent.. in that case.. translation of Vedas in English is almost an impossibility.. u must know the language first to understand it.. that's why The great Rishis who understood the Vedas in and out.. never tried to translate it … they only tried to explain them in as simple form as they could through Upanishads.. and thats where these westerns philosophers got stuck.. to the upanishads.. . If Vedas are wrong then.. the Upanishads, the Brahma Sutra, the Ashtanga Yog, the Bhrigu Sanhita, everything is wrong and useless.. because Vedas is their base!!… but they arent Wrong.. they are right.. because Vedas are right.. and Vedas are right because they are the words of Parmatma. .. u accept it or u dont it doesnt even matter.. infact its not even worth considering!
Its like a situation wherein you are extremely thirsty.. almost dying of thirst and an Indian Man offers you a Glass of Water saying "Yah 'JAL' hai ise peelo" n you tell him "Oh! 'JAL' !! u r trying to burn me alive!!??.. Max Muller has told me the meaning of "JAL" in English it means "Burn" so m not drinking your Jal"… Ridiculous The Greatest Purpose of the Soul is to get emancipation through karma yog.. bring the soul in communion of "PARMATMA".. n the VEDAS are the key to it… A soul that is lay astray in this material world needs to quench its thirst of bliss through Parmatma n Parmatma only..
Pranam Merve.. Pranam Agniveer.
In the hindsight it doesn't even matter what your beliefs are… only your thoughts n their translations into Actions matter in KARMA… it seems you have worked really hard in degrading Vedas.. had u spent same time and energy in learning vedas … u would have achieved Perfect bliss by now.. but anyways.. if u feel upanishads are better than Vedas.. or some other Religious books are better.. then its fine.. u can very well continue believing in them n acting accordingly.. no ones gonna stop you.. All you have to do as a human being is follow Ishwar's path Parmatma's path.. he will not punish you for not believing in Vedas.. there is no punishment or reward for not believing in something.. u do the right Karma through the 3 Modes of "Mann-Karm-Vachan".. n attain enlightment…. its perfect. U dont want to follow Vedas and want to devise your own way to enlightment.. its cool.. Jains n Buddhists have done that.. still do…n live in a fabricated world of their own..doing weird n funny things.. Getting stuck betn Previous old traditions & newly fabricated ones.. v dont stop them.. n they too do not thrust their ideas upon us…
In any case if u feel u r on the right path n can convince us too.. then we are open for a Public debate.. even for a private debate if u wish… Agniveer has already invited you.. u just have to let us know your qualification n who is gonna debate from your side.. et al.. n thats it.. we shall have debate.. Think over it
I can't even reply, he doesn't even let me reply so what debate are we talking about? He deleted my 10 plus posts and will continue deleting. That's my last post (this will be deleted in 5 minutes too) How can we debate if you don't let me write? That's impossible…
Thanks for your posts anyway, have a nice day.
Your comments were deleted because you are neither providing facts, nor are ready to disclose your qualifications. You merely repeat that western indologists are best. Thus it dilutes the importance of a serious topic. If you want to debate, please tell us your qualifications, or ask a representative with appropriate qualifications to debate with us. Merely saying that Earth is flat because it is written in Bible and Bible is highest selling book of world, will not work in this forum and especially on this topic. You tell specifically which word of mantra is translated wrongly by Dayanand and rightly by Griffith and why. That would be much more meaningful.
Dhanyavad
Moderator
Dear All,
May i take the liberty of expressing myself, brief … crisp points
1) Vedas do contain knowledge but are written in a sense that one has to work for it, they are thought provoking and each single line may be translated into many meanings as per the understanding of any individual, in fact if you even read a single mantra multiple times you may that very different thoughts/inspirations which is the seed for all innovations materialistic or spiritual. Why I say so is a different topic and outside the scope of this discussion but I hope you may agree.
2) Upanishads are very well written and very often you may find that one mantra has opposite meaning of another thus forcing the mind to think this what upanishads are meant to do to force the mind of a common man to think.
3) All this debate is good and none of you are wrong as no one can claim to be 100% accurate of vedas or upanishads.
4) Merve & Agniveer you are very intellectual beings and have taken the first step towards understanding your self……. you have started thinking…… debating …….. this is what upanishads do they force the mind to think hence generate seeds of creation.
5) This is not a debate my friends this is exchange of ideas & thoughts no other civilization of the world has texts or books such thought provoking which compel the reader to think.
In my personal opinion i don’t think qualifications are necessary to hear what another human being wants to communicate !
This is my first & last message to you all ……………. may you all be at peace.
Hello Mr Merve and all,
I appreciate and respect the interest you are taking in vedas and vedanta. I just posted to tell you that, Wherever text or mantra you refer to from Vedas, upanishadas … all are written with a particular intention or to be more precise to give a particular type of experience. To know this take this simple example – Sugar – when you see it when you read abt it you get a lot of knowledge abt sugar. But it is incomplete, Sugars sweetness can only be known when you taste it i.e. when you experience it.
To understand these scriptures and mantras one has to go at its root its energy. At least one can read and understand upanishadas and some other texts to some extent by just reading and having knowledge of sanskrit. But vedas are far beyond that. If one is desperate to learn Vedas and vedanta one has to take a Shaktipat Diksha. Some even call it Shambhavi diksha. When one has this diksha his consciousness is raised and thats the moment when he starts interpreting the mantras or shrutis in the manner they are ment to be. All these books which are translations of scriptures should be refered as just guide to have the experience of the shrutis. They wont give you experience, one has to meditate and raise his consciousness himself to get the real experience, same as SUGAR.
Posts on this forum have provided a large amount of knowledge to me for which I thank all.
Oh, one thing I missed to tell. My guru told me If a person inrespective caste, creed and religion eats little, meditates properly and increases his consciousness to a particular limit he starts hearing, seeing the shrutis of vedas. This says it all. He says ‘The real knowledge flows from within, no one has to teach. Its within you. You r the book you r the reader.’
Thank you Bye
http://agniveer.com/science-in-vedas/ http://bit.ly/aC5YJT
Good work !
one thing I want to add that still we do not know exact translation of vedas. Since today we know the sanskrit is classical sanskrit but what had been written in vedas was old sanskrit and we today do not have scholars of that language for example in vedic period the custom was to explain the maximum in minimum possible words.
first sloka of Rigveda
Agni eelam purohitam
here agni have different meanings Agni also means numero uno it also means God, fire.
eelam= wake up, God, elaa was first lady of earth too
purohitam= oldest, erudite, worshipper, God
this was the simplest case.
After mahabharta a new sect started known as Vaam margi, This sect was headed by Brahmins and they put concept of snatan dharma and at the same time vedic translations were quirked and manipulated and many of vedic words given the form of deities with supernatural power, and too many fantasies were created, caste system was in right light started by this sect, and in vedas we donot have caste system.
swami dyananda tried to translate vedas but many scholars including Ram Krishanaparamhansa were not satisfied by his works as according to them the meaning of sentences were quirked by dyananda too.
But how did Ram Krishnaparamhansa know that meanings were qiorked ?
Hi,
Can you link me to an English translation of the Vedas, where the text you quoted has been taken from?
And how do you suggest we can *prove* that the Vedas are false, if you can match up any sanskrit word with any meaning when needed?
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Agniveer , i want to know opinion of following article….is it perfectly translated or bit exaggerated….Why not you create an article on this.??..I think you should create because its big..
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ELECTRICITY IN VEDAS
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INTRODUCTION:
For centuries, the history of India and in particular Hindu culture has been presented in the most distorted and falsified fashion. Most recently, Western historians and Indian historians influenced by the West, have constantly portrayed it in an absolutely erroneous manner. The most significant example of this type is the aberrant analysis has been applied to the greatest and most profound Hindu literature of all time, namely the Vedas.
For Hindus, the Vedas are of completely divine origin. We believe that the Vedas are words of divine wisdom from the eternal source of Supreme Consciousness itself. Over many centuries, men of supremely exalted wisdom called “Rishis” compiled these eternal spiritual and natural laws into several volumes, which are called “Vedas”. However, according to self styled analysts like Max Mueller and thousands of Western as well as pseudo secular Indian historians, the Vedas are nothing but a bunch of ritualistic hymns connected with nothing more spiritual than charms and incantations. These people would have us believe that the profound heights of spiritual philosophy that are expressed in the Vedas, are nothing short of tribal superstitions upheld by a primitive people.
Of all the Vedas, none has been more maligned than the Atharva Veda. Many historians have even gone on to say that it is nothing but “a manual of black and white magic”. Such exceptionally ignorant statements make it clear that sacred Hindu literature is being treated in the most demeaning and prejudiced way. Take for example such statements as “Above all the principal aim of the Atharva Veda is to appease the demons, to bless friends and to curse” by V.M. Apte, an Indian writer of modern times, or ” There are then numerous verses in the Atharveda, which according to their character and often also in their contents, differ just as little from the magic formulas of American Indian medicine-men and Tarter Shamans..” by Winternitz. These type of views clearly demonstrate the prejudices and biased approach that Western-educated historians bring to their analysis. Not only that, but it also shows that their views are conditioned by Western outlooks and ideals, bundled with the misgivings that the Christian viewpoint displays in dealing with anything mystical and alien to their own perception of “spiritual strictures of morality”
While reading the Vedas, one must keep certain facts in mind:
The Vedas are NOT historical accounts. They are not biographies of great kings and the battles they fought with demons, nor are they mythical legends about emperors and intrigues that existed long ago.
2)The Vedas date MUCH further back than any Indus Valley Civilization. Long before the Harappans existed, these spiritual, scientific and natural laws had been collected by numerous brilliant Rishis and compiled into several unified compositions, all of which were given the general descriptive label of “Vedas”.
3)The Vedas ARE compilations of the eternal laws governing human existence. Moreover each of the four Vedas was a treatise on particular subjects, specific only to itself. The word “Veda” itself means “sacred or pure knowledge” , having come from the root “Vid” meaning “to know”.
Of these, the Atharvaveda consisted of nine branches or sakhas, according to sage Patanjali. These were:
1) Paippalada
2) Tauda
3) Munda
4) Saunakiya
5) Jajala
6) Jalada
7) Brahmaveda
8) Devadarsa
9) Charanavaidya
Of these nine, we know of only two, namely Saunaka and Paippalada branches. Even in this incomplete form, the Atharvaveda was the source of development for such immense philosophical systems as Tantra and practical systems like Ayurveda. Often, Hindu scriptures have been criticised, as being too vague and full of profoundly difficult philosophical flights and abstract concepts, that are impossible for the common reader to grasp. In fact, the Atharvaveda is a prime example of how the majority of Hindu scriptures DO delve into practical and material matters that affect everyday human life. The Vedas are a wealth of information, not only about philosophical and spiritual ideals, but also invaluable reference manuals that clearly explain the laws governing scientific phenomenon, practical applications, and the methods for utilization of awesome natural resources. Scientists, mathematicians, manufacturers, computer programmers and many others can greatly benefit from this vast repertoire of information and knowledge.
Although most people today concentrate on significant aspects of the Atharvaveda such as medicinal plants and healing practices, many other fascinating subjects such as marriage rites, the healing properties of water, atomic and solar energy, electricity, and the states of the Supreme Consciousness are also discussed. (I will expound more on these subjects in future articles)
One of the most exciting topics covered in the Atharvaveda is electricity and specifically, the detailed description of valuable applications that harness and utilize this immense source of energy. Some of the applications described, include important specifications for a control system that harnesses the intense power of electricity for use as a deadly weapon, utilization of hydroelectric power for manufacturing and the fission properties of electricity. These are only some of these amazing instances that clearly demonstrate how the most advanced scientific laws and phenomenons are described in the Atharvaveda.
It will be fully apparent from the following verses that Electrical Energy and its properties were fully understood by Vedic sages. It was definitely used in everyday technological applications as much (if not more), as it is for us today. It is also clear that Vedic scientists knew far more about the properties of electricity than us. It was not till very recently, that modern day scientists discovered and began research on the potential usage of electrical energy in military science and related areas.
What these verses clearly demonstrate to us is the fact that Vedic Society was at an extremely advanced state of technological advancement and fully utilized Electricity in innumerable productive applications
I have followed a standard format to make identification of the verses easy. All of the verses have been taken from Kanda (Book) XX of the Atharvaveda translated by Devi Chand. The Sanskrit verses are highlighted in maroon where as their translations are highlighted in Blue. Each verse can be referenced directly in the order of Chapter (Anuvaka), Hymn (Sukta) and Verse number.
NON-MILITARY APPLICATIONS OF ELECTRICITY:
According to the descriptions found in Atharvaveda, electrical energy can be utilized in many useful applications such as creation of powerful engines, illumination, agricultural machinery, hydroelectric power plants, manufacturing plants, biomedical engineering, extraction of medicines, etc. and thus serve to greatly enhance the daily life of people
Chapter 1: Hymn VII
Verse 2: Nav Yo Navati Puro bibhed bahvotjasaa
Ahi Cha vritrahaavadheet
Electricity , which breaks, by the energy of its arms the 99 cities, destroys the cloud, which covers the rays of the sun, the source of all energy and power.
This initial description describes the inherent properties of of electrical energy. Here the “arms of electricity” refers to positive and negative currents. The 99 cities refers to the 99 elements, as known to modern day scientists. In Vedic terminology, these essential elements were known as “Bhogas”.
Verse 3: Sa na Indrah Shivah sakhashwavad gomadvavama
Urudhaarev dohate
That very electric power may be our peaceful friend, providing us with the horse-power to drive our machines, light to light up our houses, and power to produce grains in the fields. Let it bring on prosperity and well-being for us by flowing into numerous currents.
These verses clearly refer to the various useful applications of electricity. The mention of horse powered driving machines is a direct reference to electronically powered vehicles like automobiles, aircraft, etc. In our times, even prototypes of electric cars are a very recent development. In the present era, Electric car prototypes were created due to the dawning realization that gasoline fuel is a perishable resource as well as polluting to the environment. It looks like thousands of years ago, our Rishis were already aware of these dangers and used electric engines in their vehicles, as one of their primary modes of transport as well as for motors, etc. for other types of machinery. This verse also clearly mentions that electricity was used to light up buildings, just as we do today. In addition there is a reference to electrically powered agricultural machines, which helped in the manufacture and processing of crops from the fields.
Verse 4: Indra Kratuvidang sutang somang harya purushtut
Piba vrishaswa taatripim
Let electricity, so highly spoken of by many learned people, help extract the essence of medicines, thus produced by those, who are well-versed in manufacturing things. Let it keep safe and shower, on us the rain, satisfying all.
In modern times, we have discovered that certain electronic devices such as centrifuges, deep refrigeration, etc. are extremely helpful in deriving medicinal extracts. Apparently our ancient scientists were well aware of these methods and perhaps even more advanced than us in their knowledge. The last sentence refers reverentially to the role of electricity, which in the form of lightning is instrumental in creating life giving rain for the entire planet. The picture that emerges from these verses is that of an extremely advanced culture, that utilized superlative technology and yet maintained an enormous respect and reverence for the ecosystem and the natural environment. The proponents of Vedic culture saw spirituality everywhere, and held sacred the power of all divine forces, from water, to electricity. Not only this, but they had analysed the properties and laws of all these natural energies and thus comprehended perfectly the best way to utilize them.
Chapter 3 :Hymn XXXI
Verse 1: Taa Vajrinam Mandinam Stomyam mad indram rathe vahato haryataa haree
Purunyasmay savanaani haryata indraaya somaa harayo dadhanwire
Those two speedily moving forces of attraction and repulsion propel the electric current, powerful like the thunderbolt, pleasant and praiseworthy, in this pleasant plane or car. Manifold are the generating powers for the refulgent electricity borne by speedy moving Somas – various kinds of liquid fuels.
Verse 2: Arang Kaamaay Haryo dadhanwire sthiraay hinvanharayo Haree tura
Arvadbhiyor Haribhijorshameeyate so asya kaamam harivantamaanashe
The above mentioned speedy forces of two kinds set in motion strong currents, capable of maintaining steady progress in the attainment of one’s objective in plenty. Whatever complex is attained by these fast moving horsepowers, is enough to achieve the beautiful objective of his, the manufacturer.
Here the principles of electromagnetic force discussed are being used to generate motion. In addition, the reference to a liquid fuel propellant, informs us that a combination of high-speed and intense electrical power was used to produce a number of favourable results like exceptionally fast vehicular modes of transportation, as well as efficient manufacturing processes. For example, extremely fast centrifugal force is used to separate genetic materials in Biomedical labs today. The combination of speed and power is certainly desirable to increase the efficiency of manufacturing plants.
Chapter 2: Hymn XV
Verse 2: Adha te vishwamanu haasadishtaya aapo nimneva savanaa havishmatah
Yatparvate na samasheeta haryata indrasya vajrah shnathita hiranyayah
Just as all productive works of the manufacturer depend upon waters flowing down with speed, so do all the desired objects of him depend upon you (Electricity), as its powerful striking force cannot be obstructed by any cloud, or mountain in the way. It smashes all impediments, with its radiant energy.
This verse acknowledges the immense power of electricity and proves the Vedic community’s understanding of its intensity. Electricity does have the power of striking through any element. The portion about productive works depending on waters flowing with speed is an obvious reference to harnessing hydroelectric power. It is obvious from this verse that Vedic society was well aware of methods that harnessed the power of electricity through systems like hydroelectric power plants. Once harnessed, they incorporated the force to implement manufacturing concerns and power machinery.
Verse 3: Asmay Bheemaaya namasaa samadhwara usho na shubhra aa bharaa paneeyase
Yasya dhaam shravase naamendriyam jyotirkaari harito naayase
O well-versed engineer make use of this terrible electric power fit to be utilized for useful purposes by controlling it, for non-violent, brilliant light like the dawn. It has the potentiality to help hearing, control energy and spread light in all quarters.
This confirms the fact that electricity was a topic that was researched and explored in great detail. Skilled electrical engineers used to devise specific utilities and controls for electric power. Illumination was certainly one of its widely used applications. From the last line, we can also glean the information that electronic devices were used as hearing aids and sound magnifiers. Sophisticated systems for controlling electricity and measuring electricity were in place, and electronic panels that aided in controlling other forms of energy were also used.
MILITARY USAGE OF ELECTRICITY:
Now let’s turn to the truly amazing descriptions of electricity being utilized as a weapon in military combat. Up until very recently, modern day scientists were not even aware of this potentially devastating aspect of electricity being utilized as a weapon. It is only in the past decade or so, that scientific research has begun concentrating on the potential use of Electricity as a deadly weapon. Electrical bombs can be utilised to destroy all sorts of vital equipment and inflict massive damage. Topics like the EMP effect and the consequent possibilities of using electrical weapons, were rudimentary information to Vedic people, wheras we have barely begun our explorations on this topic.
The ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP) effect was first observed during the early testing of high altitude airburst nuclear weapons. The effect is characterised by the production of a very short (hundreds of nanoseconds) but intense electromagnetic pulse, which propagates away from its source with ever diminishing intensity, governed by the theory of electromagnetism. The ElectroMagnetic Pulse is in effect an electromagnetic shock wave.
This pulse of energy produces a powerful electromagnetic field, particularly within the vicinity of the weapon burst. The field can be sufficiently strong to produce short lived transient voltages of thousands of Volts (ie kiloVolts) on exposed electrical conductors, such as wires, or conductive tracks on printed circuit boards, where exposed.
It is this aspect of the EMP effect which is of tremendous military significance, as it can result in irreversible damage to a wide range of electrical and electronic equipment, particularly computers and radio or radar receivers. Subject to the electromagnetic hardness of the electronics, a measure of the equipment’s resilience to this effect, and the intensity of the field produced by the weapon, the equipment can be irreversibly damaged or in effect destroyed. The damage inflicted would be the same as that of striking the equipment with huge bolts of lightning.
Computers used in data processing systems, communications systems, displays, industrial control applications, including road and rail signalling, and those embedded in military equipment, such as signal processors, electronic flight controls and digital engine control systems, are especially vulnerable to the EMP effect.
What amazes one is the fact that Vedic Rishis clearly KNEW about the EMP effect and have composed vivid descriptions of the usage of electric weapons as the verses below will demonstrate:
Chapter 2: Hymn XV
Verse 6: Twam tamindra parvatam mahaamurum vajrena vajrinparvshashchakartitha
Avaasrijo nivritaah satarvaa apah satraa vishwam dadhishe kevalam sahah
Just as the thundering electricity reduces the vast cloud to nothing by its thunderbolt, so do you, O King, equipped with piercing weapons like the thunderbolt, smash into pieces the vast armies of the enemy, consisting of various units, by your striking power like the thunderbolt. Just as the waters of the cloud released by the electricity, fall down and flow over the earth, similarly the well-equipped armies of the enemy; being subdued by the might of the king are duly regulated by him. Truly do you alone, O King, hold all the power to subdue the foes.
The inference is quite obviously to weapons utilizing electricity. “Piercing weapons like the thunderbolt” is a clear pointer to surges of exceedingly high voltage. The lethal electric weapons are used to counter various units of the army. This is another clue, for as discussed above, the EMP effect can be used to advantage for a number of targets ranging from computers, to communication systems. Apparently electricity was employed as one of the primary weapons in military combat during the Vedic era.
Chapter 4: Hymn XXXVIII
Verse 5: Indra Idhyorah sacha sangmishal aa vachoyuja
Indro vajri Hiranyah
Electricity is well mixed up with Prana and Apana, the 2 horsepowers, yoked to power of speech. Electric power has the striking power of a deadly weapon and is full of brilliance.
Here we find it stated starkly that electricity has the striking power of a deadly weapon. There can be no greater proof of the deployment of electrical weaponry during the Vedic era. An interesting suggestion is also made in the first line of this verse, that electrical energy is also present in the form of Prana and Apana, within the human body. “Prana” means “breath ” according to Tantra Yoga, wheras “Apana” is the Prana that exists in the area below the navel. According to Tantric thought Prana is charged with negative ions while Apana is charged with positive ions. When Prana is forced to enter through the central canal (Sushuma or Brahma Nadi) in the spinal column, the result is fusion of the negative and positive ions. This fusion generates an immense amount of energy, which awakens the dormant energy called Kundalini that lies at the base of the spine. Once Kundalini or the vital life force is awakened, it destroys the ignorance of the mind and results in enlightenment.
We know now of course, that the cerebrospinal system is a great generator of electrical energy and has a fantastic network of nerves that serve as connectors. The cerebrum as it is called keeps on providing electrical energy. Through fine nerves, this energy is constantly supplied to the organism, providing life force. Thus we can see how these and other type of systems described in the Atharvaveda have a purely scientific basis.
Chapter 3: Hymn XXX
Verse 1: Pra te mahe vidathe shansisham hari pra te vanve vanusho haryatam madam
Dhritam na yo haribhishcharu sechat aa tva vishantu harivparsang girah
O electricity, I fully praise thy two forces of protection and destruction in this great universe, which is a great sacrificial place or battlefield of life. I highly cherish your beautiful exhilaration, destroying the evil forces of the enemy. You shower various forms of fortunes through your blessing powers of speedy action, like waters from the clouds. Let all praises find their abode in you of charming splendor.
Here again, we find the mention of the dual nature of electrical energy. It can be destructive as in the EMP effect, and it can be protective as in the cerebrospinal system.
Verse 3: So asya vajro harito ya aayso harinirkaamo harira gabhastyoh
Dhumni sushipro harimanyusayaka indre ni roopa harita mimikshire
Here is the blue-green colored thunderbolt of iron of the king. There is also the beautiful horse of iron of high speed. Here is also the horsepower of the rays of electricity. There is also the shining arrow, capable of destroying the pride of the enemy and having a very high speed. In short many kinds of weapons have been made through electric power for the king.
These verses appear to be describing different sorts of electrical weapons. The “beautiful horse of iron of high speed” apparently refers to some type of metallic car/aircraft which can reach extremely high speeds. The horsepower for the engine for a craft or automobile of this sort was provided by electricity. The “shining arrow” can mean an exceptionally powerful ballistic missile loaded with an electric warhead. The missile was superfast and probably covered vast distances, it was apparently one of the main weapons that could be used to target the central command and control center of the enemy. Here we find a reference telling us that many advanced weapons utilizing electricity had been deployed in this era.
Verse 4: Divi na keturadhi dhaayi haryato vivayachadvajro harito na ranghaya
Tudadahi harishipro ya aayasah sahastrashokaa abhavadharibharah
Like a radiant spot, it is well placed in the heavens, then with a high speed, the terribly destructive missile, made of iron, possessing speed of electric power, crushing the serpent natured enemy, becomes lit up with thousands of lights and loaded with destructive ray of various kinds.
This makes the previous verse even more apparent. The missile being described seems to generate immense power and would be exceptionally destructive. It is possible that the electric weapons used by Vedic society may have been equivalent in destructive power to nuclear weapons, or perhaps even more lethal. They may also have been used for preliminary strikes before the actual use of nuclear weapons. A conventional electronic combat campaign, or intensive electronic combat operations, would initially concentrate on saturating the opponent’s electronic defences, denying information and inflicting maximum attrition upon electronic assets. The massed application of electromagnetic bombs in the opening phase of an electronic battle would allow much faster attainment of command as it would destroy electronic assets at a much faster rate than possible with conventional means. After this phase, it would be child’s play to completely destroy the enemy.
Chapter 3: Hymn:XXI
Verse 7: Yudha yudhmup ghedeshi dhrishnuya pura puram samidam hansyojasa
Namya yadindra sakhya paraavati nibrahyo namuchi naam maayinam
O mighty King, you can easily get at the striking power of the enemy by your overwhelming striking force. Being well-entrenched in your sheltered place of defense, you can thoroughly break the defenses of the enemy to smithereens. Completely crush the deceitful enemy, unfit to be left alive, through your faithful ally, although stationed at a distance.
This particular reference is apparently to a remotely controlled electronic weapon system. This verse directly points to unleashing a tremendously high voltage surge that can blast into the defensive electrical equipment belonging to the enemy. The last sentence describes remote initiation of the bombing sequence, while the controller is stationed at a safe distance.
Verse 8: Tvam karnyajmut parnayam vadhistejisthayaatithigvasya vartani
Tvam shata vaddagridasyaabhintpuronaanudah parishuta rijishvana
O mighty electricity, you kill the violent enemy, equipped with speedy means of communication like cars or airships, a hindrance in the way of people who are worthy of respect, cows or land by your consuming and splendorous power. You shatter the 100 forts of the adversary who obstructs your communications or breaks your regulations and does not pay tribute to you established by straightforward negotiations.
In the case of electricity, 100 forts refers to 100 elements. It breaks all these through the power of fission, overcoming all resistances and obstructions in the way. Any trained electrical engineer must have complete knowledge of the complex laws and limitations governing electrical energy. There is an evident respect for electricity demonstrated here, for it is an awesome power indeed. Transport infrastructure can also be destroyed with the use of electromagnetic bombs. Railway and road signalling systems, where automated, are most vulnerable to electromagnetic attack on their control centres. Significantly, most modern automobiles and trucks use electronic ignition systems which are known to be vulnerable to electromagnetic weapons effects.
Modern land warfare doctrine emphasises mobility, and manoeuvre warfare methods are typical for contemporary land warfare. Coordination and control are essential to the successful conduct of manoeuvre operations, and this provides another opportunity to apply electromagnetic weapons. Communications and command sites are key elements in the structure of such a land army, and these have concentrated communications and computer equipment. Therefore if the enemy is attacked with electromagnetic weapons, the entire command and control of land operations would be completely disrupted. Employing tactics like launching an initial attack with electromagnetic weapons would create a maximum of confusion, and if followed by an all out attack with conventional weapons would completely obliterate the enemy.
Verse 9: Tvametam janrajyo dwidarshaabandhuna sushrvasopajagmushah
Pashisht sahastra navati nava shruto ni chakrena rathya dushpadavrinak
O electricity, you can by your circular motion like the wheel of a chariot, which is too powerful to be checked, well keep under control all these 20 basic elements, 6099 organic and inorganic bodies, by a single transmitter of high quality, with no other force to help it.
In technological terms, coupling is the means to create an electric connection of two electric circuits by having a part common to both. One of the mechanisms, which can be exploited to improve coupling is the polarization of an electric weapon’s emission. Polarization simply means orienting the emission in a particular direction. If we assume that the orientations of possible coupling apertures and resonances in the target set are random in relation to the weapon’s antenna orientation, a linearly polarized emission would only exploit half of the opportunities available. A circularly polarized emission would exploit all coupling opportunities. A single transmitter of superior quality can control the entire emission.
Verse 10: Tvamaavitha sushravasam tavotibhistava traambhirindra tuvrayaanam
Tvamasmay kutsamatithigvamaayum mahe raagye yoone arndhanaayah
O electricity, you keep in safety this good listening set, by your means of safety and protect the commander, with speedy mobile forces by your strong means of defense. You control the sharp weapons, equipped with the striking power of limitless time and speed for this great, youthful king.
Other electronic devices and electrical equipment would also be destroyed by the EMP effect. Telecommunications equipment can be highly vulnerable, due to the presence of lengthy copper cables between devices. Receivers of all varieties are particularly sensitive to EMP, as highly sensitive miniature high frequency transistors and diodes in such equipment are easily destroyed by exposure to high voltage electrical transients. Therefore radar and electronic warfare equipment, satellite, microwave, UHF, VHF, HF and low band communications equipment and television equipment would all be destroyed by the EMP effect. This verse apparently refers to a defense mechanism created with the aid of electricity, which protects both the commander as well his entire system of wireless communications. It may be referring to some sort of shield which makes things unsusceptible to the emission. The advanced and deadly missiles of unlimited speed are controlled by electronic control panels.
Chapter 4: Hymn XXXVII
Verse 4: Tvam nibhinirmano devavitao bhooreeni vritraa haryashava hansi
Tvam ni dasyum chumuri dhuni chasvaapyo dabhitaye suhantu
O electrical currents of high voltage, safely carried by electric wires, you kill many enemies in the war, waged by learned persons or through the help of natural forces. To keep all the evil forces under control, you, being well-equipped with good means of destruction completely lay down to lasting sleep (death) the evil forces that rob and harass the general public.
This verse is a simple testament to the intense power and utterly destructive force of electrical weapons
CONCLUSION:
There are many more such references to electrical energy in the Atharvaveda, however in the interests of keeping this article to a reasonable length, I have not reproduced every one of them. The discovery of such amazing truths in the Vedas, clearly undermines the very foundation of our smug assertions that Civilization and scientific advancement proceed forward in a linear fashion. It is high time for us to thoroughly analyse and learn from the invaluable resources that our forefathers have left us in the form of the divine Vedas and other profound Hindu literature.
The Atharva Veda (Sanskrit Text with English Translation) translated by Devi Chand and published by Mushiram Manoharlal Publishers Pvt Ltd has been used to compose this article
Still no reply , Agniveer ji ?…Please say something on above article
Namaste Krishna
In my opinion now time has come that we prove truthfulness of science in Vedas through our actions (inventions based on Vedic Mantras) and not through mere words.
Thanks
i was asking why agniveer dont post an article on this,” electricity in atharvaveda ” ???..i just wanted to know is it true translation ??…can i promote it???
Hello agniveer,
Is there a glitch in your comments sections or people like merve are spamming?.
Why do you see same messages repeated about 4 or 5 times.
hindu vedas contains lots of knowledge and its the word of god , many scientist suprise by vedas ,
the knowledge what we discover in 20th century its was already in vedas 6000 bc , miracles about vedas ,puranas , brahama purana, also i read bhavishya purana , (furture book ) i was shocked , about jesus , and about demon religion islam and demon muhamad , by reading all the holy book , only one book i think (after reading hindus and non hindus ) that vedas and other hindu holy books are word of god ,
Hello all!
I am an electrical engineering student at IIT bombay and was just curious to know more about the claims about scientific sanskrit texts. I think Agniveer is doint great in bringing to light such issues and debating with people who condemn these claims without having any strong knowledge and just basing themselves on western "sanskrit scholars". I know a naught about these things but I have had the opportunity of going through some shlokas which explain the construction of a voltaic cell and one where an aeroplane design was explained. And So I truly believe that there is a high possibility that the scientific concepts were known and have been merely lost in time
I searched for translation and this is what i found for Rig Veda 1.119.10.
10 A horse did ye provide for Pedu, excellent, white, O ye Aśvins, conqueror of combatants,
Invincible in war by arrows, seeking heaven worthy of fame, like Indra, vanquisher of men.
Bro this is the translation done by Griffith which is not correct coz he aimed to destroy our culture..!!!
Check out vymaanika shastra a whole book dedicated on the construction, take off , landings of these vehicles.
It even mentions what clothes to wear and food to take!
Hi Agniveer ,
Where can I find all Four Vedas properly translated by an Indian at free of cost?
Where can I find all Four Vedas properly translated by an Indian at free of cost?
@ Lakshman
U can get at http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org
Brother, vik and arya please provide me the correct translations
FEW SCIENTIFIC ERRORS IN HINDU SCRIPTURES
1.“He who fixed firm the earth that staggered, and set at rest the agitated mountains, who measured out the air’s wide middle region and gave the heaven support, he men is Indra.” Rig Ved: 2: 12: 2. We all know today that the earth revolves and rotates and is not fixed.
2.“In the beginning rose Hiranyagarbha, born only Lord of all created beings. He fixed and holds up the earth and the heaven.” Rig Ved: 10: 121: 1. We all know today that the earth revolves and rotates and is not fixed.
3.“Firm is the sky and firm is the earth and steadfast are also these hills. Steadfast is all this living world…..” Rig Ved: 10: 173: 4
4.“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 4: 30
5.“God has firmly fixed the earth with pegs around it.” Yajur Ved: 5: 16
6.“ North West of the heavens.” Yajur Ved: 13: 56, 57
7.“The sky is supported by pillars.” Yajur Ved: 4: 30
8.“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 14:5
@TOTAGOTO
Brother, I am giving you the translations of the relevant (which you are looking for) portions of above Mantras one by one.
1. One who controls the moving earth, who causes cloud formation and scattering, who is the source of light, is the sun.
2. Even before creation of the universe, There was One lord who was master of all imperishable entities. He alone is the controller of all, including earth. He alone is worthy to be worshipped.
3. Could not see much wrong in your translation. However meaning of firm is inertia, i.e. tendency to remain in the state in which it is set. So meaning of firmness in this Mantra is the unchangeable state of earth, which is to move in a certain path.
4. Vrishabh in this Mantra means “possessor of best qualities” and has come for Eeshvar and not for bull.
5. God has made earth firm in its motion by Sun’s attraction.
6. When sun appears to be in west… (where is heaven in this Mantra?)
7. Same as 4.
8. O! Possessor of knowledge of inner…
thank you brother. can you please provide me links where i can read the holy Vedas in english?
@TOTAGOTO
dear brother, here is another site that has the rebuttals of these stupid allegations made by muslims,
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15273732/-Rebuttal-of-muslims-by-an-Arya
I am not sure of any link that has authentic english translations of Vedas, there are some sites but unfortunately they use the translations of western idologists like Griffith, but the only correct translations are the Arya translations that follow the terminology of Swami Dayanand.
if u want to buy Vedic translations that are authentic, then you can visit http://www.vedicbooks.com
many many thanks my brother.
TOTAGOTO Sir,
I am sorry but Nowhere, Vedas are authentically translated to English. The translations are there but in Hindi.
Here are links to have Vedas translated from Indian perspectives.
http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/rigvedabook.htm
http://hinduebooks.blogspot.com/2011/03/four-vedas-sanskrit-text-with-hindi.html
http://www.vedpuran.com (Works only in MS Internet Explorer)
Vedas are there translated by real scholars but unfortunately in Hindi.
Respected arya samajis can you give me some links regarding vedic science.
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Dear Friends,
Hi 2 everyone. Im an architect. I’ve read all the posts. I always had an interest of studying vedas n keen interest on Gurukul teachings(as western education seems unsettling to me). But whenever i start reading/learning vedas, i have questions in mind. The predominent is which one to follow(whose verses), as it marks the base of the knowledge. And the other is that, as everyone knows, a word in sanskrit has lot of meanings & a line has lot of interpretations, whatever the science(astronomy, physics, maths) or knowledge that explained here is that we already have(meaning suns rotation, diameter, vimana,etc) and what about those that were’nt predicted? or the science ends here or what?(i’m not sure). If all those discovered in the recent past are there in the vedas, then it should have lot more of future discoveries. haven’t anyone found, even a single clue of it? For an amateur like me, it seems that of Nostradamus predictions(correct me if i’m wrong) said a long years before of forecoming events. Kindly guide me.
@Prakash Raja
Namaste Brother,
Its not that the manufacturing techniques of modern day equipments will be found in Vedas word to word. However, Vedas and knowledge (scientific, social, and political) have cause effect relation or we can say that Vedas are seed and science is a tree. Whatever growth science has seen or is going to see in future will always be because of its seeds, The Vedas. There is no example of creation of something from nothing. So we should have something which needs to start this whole process of knowledge and science, and this starting thrust is given by Vedas and then Rishis further explore the Mantras to benefit the world with the knowledge hidden in those. But understanding Vedas needs purity in Karma and soul, which can come by practicing Yam and Niyam. Understanding of Vedas increases with increase in purity of soul.
Vedas dont predict anything. Lets take an example, Vedas gave us the numbers, 0 to 9, the techniques of addition, subtraction, multiplication, division etc. And Eeshvar has given us brain to play with these. So we can arrange these numbers and produce new numbers till infinity. Every time, one can come up with a number which has never been used before! But that does not make this number a new discovery which is not found in Vedas. Simply because if Vedas would not give us 0 to 9 numbers, how could we arrange them? Same thing happens in all science and social matters. Rishis/scientists arrange the preexisting materials and principles in different ways and get new discoveries.
Please read Rigvedaadi Bhashya Bhumika (Introduction to Vedas) by Swami Dayanand, available in this site in Hindi or in English. Please go through it thoroughly and you will get to know a different perspective of Vedas altogether.
Any knowledge can never end anywhere. As per Vedas, Eeshvar is the possessor of true knowledge of Vedas and Eeshvar being infinite, possesses infinite knowledge. The process of discoveries will go on till the humanity exists.
Dhanyawad
” ISHA / Eeshvar /SHIVA is the possessor of true knowledge of Vedas and Eeshvar being infinite, possesses infinite knowledge. The process of discoveries will go on till the humanity exists” and YESHUA affirms this TRUTH . Afterall , SATYA MEVA JAYATE !!! HARA HARA MAHADEV !
I AM YEHSUA . And I AM an INDIAN – A born HINDU – who has the blood of a JEW – and will establish the church as MINE. Now will INDIANS be threatned for I AM from GOD ,to deliver the MESSAGE – in the BOOK OF LAMB – which is written and completed . “THE BOOK OF REVELATION OF JESUS” for which I AM the author. Kindly do revert for any further clarifications. GOD BLESS ALL THE 6 BILLION PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.
Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus are studies, which originated in India.* Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to mankind. The Father of Medicine, Charaka, consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.* India was one of the richest countries till the time of British rule in the early 17th Century. Christopher Columbus, attracted by India’s wealth, had come looking for a sea route to India when he discovered America by mistake.The Art of Navigation & Navigating was born in the river Sindh over 6000 years ago. The very word Navigation is derived from the Sanskrit word ‘NAVGATIH’. The word navy is also derived from the Sanskrit word ‘Nou’.Bhaskaracharya rightly calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the Sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. According to his calculation, the time taken by the Earth to orbit the Sun was 365.258756484 days.The value of “pi” was first calculated by the Indian Mathematician Budhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century, long before the European mathematicians.Quadratic Equations were used by Sridharacharya in the 11th century. The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 10*53 (i.e. 10 to the power of 53) with specific names as early as 5000 B.C.during the Vedic period.Even today, the largest used number is Terra: 10*12(10 to the power of 12).Until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds in the world
(Source: Gemological Institute of America).
Sushruta is regarded as the Father of Surgery. Over2600 years ago Sushrata & his team conducted complicated surgeries like cataract, artificial limbs, cesareans, fractures, urinary stones, plastic surgery and brain surgeries.Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient Indian medicine. Detailed knowledge of anatomy, embryology, digestion, metabolism,physiology, etiology, genetics and immunity is also found in many ancient Indian texts.Varanasi, also known as Benaras, was called “the Ancient City” when Lord Buddha visited it in 500 B.C., and is the oldest, continuously inhabited city in the world today.
Martial Arts were first created in India, and later spread to Asia by Buddhist missionaries.Yoga has its origins in India and has existed for over 5,000 years.
The fact that an ancient civilization would know that our planet didn’t have any arms and legs just completely blew. me. away.
Even Albert Einstein didn’t incorporate this fact into his theory of relativity.
The only possible logic explanation i can come up with is that who ever wrote this book had a direct connection with the realm of the supernatural.
@jecky : you are pretty smart .. love your satire. but the fact remains that u are a fool who just know how to read but not to comprehend.
so be happy 🙂 ; do read what “even” Albert einstein wrote about “bhagvat Geeta”
Ramakrishna paramahamsa was a mystic. Not a Scholar. was he literate? I doubt. Swami Dayanand met Ramakrishna during one of his visits to Calcutta. But Paramhamsa being no Scholar could not stand to the intellectual brilliancy of Dayanand and said that statements of the latter appeared to be strange.It ought to be so, for the reason for nearly 3000 years the tradition of learning Vedas with Vedangas as the limbs had been given go by The assertion of God being formless must have sounded strange to the ears of Ramakrishna who was a worshipper of Kali.. Why even today our modern Hindu Scholars could not stomach the assertions of Dayanand on issues of God, caste system, etc. They appear to be very strange to them. But this does not mean that Dayanand spoke strange things but on the other hand he spoke Truth which was hidden to them for the past of 3000 years.
@vasudevarao
Swami Dayanand was the scholar of Vedas, but Ramakrishna Paramhansa was the practitioner of Vedas in his every moment of life. The differrence between Swamiji and Paramhansaji is like the difference between “Reading Lyrics of a song” and “Enjoying the song”. Ramakrishna ji was actually in state of Turiya and enjoying every bit of Supreme Divine with constant communion with it. However, I don’t know whether Swamiji had ever experienced the divine bliss in his life (sorry to say this as I am not aware about this).
Preaching the scriptures (Vedas, etc.) in its truest meaning is one thing and living its truest meaning is another.
Dhanyavaad!
Aryamaan
Namaste Aryamaan
1. You contradict yourself when you say- “I don’t know whether Swamiji had ever experienced the divine bliss in his life (sorry to say this as I am not aware about this).” by “The differrence between Swamiji and Paramhansaji is like the difference between “Reading Lyrics of a song” and “Enjoying the song”.”
When you dont know about Swami Dayanand, your conclusion that he did not enjoy the song is incorrect. You are not in position to judge Dayanand against Ramkrishna.
2. Now I ask you to read the biography of Swami Dayanand. Then you will know what Dayanand was. I do not claim that he was a Yogi because its beyond my capabilities to judge it but at the same time, you are also not in any position to conclude that Ramkrishna was a Yogi.
3. Dont know whether you know it or not, Ramkrishna ji once saw Muhammad in his dreams and he realized Allah while practicing Islam. He believed Muhammad to be prophet/Avatar of God. But Swami Dayanand exposed this so called prophet in his book Satyarth Prakash. Now the world knows that Muhammad was a rapist, pedophile, mass murderer and what not. So I feel pity on the ignorance of Ramkrishna Ji that he even did not know the facts about Muhammad. In addition, his act of praising Muhammad would have created unnecessary sympathy among Hindus for him which could have been the reason for conversion of many.
5. Can you compare the contributions of Ramkrishna ji and Dayanand ji to the world?
Dhanyawad
The purpose of Vedic science was to take humans to a higher levels of consciousness and not to provide with gadgetary that can provide material comforts. The Vedic seers saw and experienced a higher reality that escapes the ordinary experiences of mundane existence.
Average human being uses only 10 percent of brain capacity. Expanding the use of brain capacity can provide humans with expanded consciousness to perceive reality that is not experienced at lower brain capacity utilization. Vedic seers prescribed techniques in form of yoga and meditation that enables greater expansion of human experience.
At the most basic level, human brain can be considered as a storehouse of energy waves, with different wavelengths providing different experiences of consciousness. Research in Transcendental Meditation has established that yogis exhibit a greater coherent brainwave pattern. Long term meditation (8 to 10) years would result in an altered state of consciousness with humans reaching higher levels of experience.
At the highest level of experience according to Vedanta is attainment of Brahma Chitanya or Brahman consciousness where the individual feels absolute unity with the universe. An intellectual interpretation of this experience can be made thus. In the unity consciousness, the brain wave pattern merges with the fundamental wave patterns that form the unified field of the entire universe.
Theoretical physists are exploring into unified field theory according to which all the creation springs out from a unified sub atomic field or the quantum field. This is exactly how Vedic seers describe the universe. The Eternal Brahman forms the substratum of the entire creation. Now, in unity consciousness an individual experiences that eternal brahman. In fact that individual merges with the Brahman attaining Jeevan Mukthi.
While physists look at unified field as something inanimate, this field being the source of everything in the universe is both inanimate and animate as described by the Vedic seers. By attributing emotional qualities to this Brahman, Vedic seers describe this substratum as supreme being of paramatma. Vedic science provides a knowledge that unifies the scientific truths with religious truths or subjective religious experiences.
A person in unity consciousness function at intuitive level and not at intellectual level. The truth that comes out of a person functioning at this level is not comprehensible by a person who has not reached that state of consciousness. Many a times such persons in higher level of consciousness may be describing functioning of a scientific law in a vague intuitive language understandable only by people at his/her level of consciousness. No wonder people reading vedas can find highly scientific principles, which at the same time may appear magical or an Arabian night story to skeptics.
Vedic science and Vedic knowledge is not intellectual but experiential. Anybody and everybody following the path of yoga prescribed by Vedic science can attain and experience that level of consciousness which is said to be SAT CHIT ANANDA. i.e. the abode of TRUTH CONSCIOUSNESS AND BLISS or the SATYAM SHIVAM SUNDARAM i.e. TRUTH GOD AND BEAUTY. Reaching that level of consciousness is the sole objective and purpose of human life. It is sad that modern human beings are frittering away their golden opportunity in pursuit of mundane material comforts. It is a tragedy that the entire human existence has been reduced to meaningless consumerism.
The theory of Karma, the description of birth rebirth reincarnation etc becomes most beautiful scientific theories if we view individuals as bundle of consciousness or energy particles of very intricate wavelengths that are constantly change from one form to another, acting and reacting according to the past vibrations.
The source of any life is consciousness. The mark of consciousness is ability to think. It is the thought process that creates the entire living creation and what is the source of thought? It is that supreme being or the unified field that creates life through vibrations. The source of vibrations of that supreme being is described as SHIVA TANDAVA and the vibrations are described as the SHAKTHI. Thus it is the interplay of SHIVA AND SHAKTHI (Prakrithi and Purusha) that creates this entire creation.
This is the heart of Vedic science and not mundane pursuits for technological expertise and engineering feats that have reduced the earth and environment to one big cesspool of pollution taking the entire creation on the trip to environmental disaster.
It is sad that todays science students lack the breadth of thinking of the ancient Vedic seers who are being dismissed as primitive thinkers while in fact their thinking abilities transcended the boundries of time and space and their knowledge is as eternal as that supreme purusha himself.
I hope this provides the answers to the mundane scientist who seek engineering precision in Vedas. There is in fact a very intricate design and mathematical precision present in every syllable of Vedic chant (the Chandas) but it is tragedy that the modern students of science have not developed the sensitivity to intuitively grasp the beauty and depth of this precision.
Hari om.
Hi Agniveer ji,
If this much of knowledge is there in Vedas then why people don’t know or study about that………………
@Prachi:
My 2 cents…Indians are after false things these days…more money, bigger TV, bigger car, second home, third home, constant bombardment from advertisements, internet, TV, IPAD, IPHONE, Twitter, Linkedin, Facebook, youtube, etc. etc. etc.
Bhaja Govindam puts this pretty accurately and musically and it as relevant today as it was centuries ago:
bAlastAvatkrIDAsaktaH
taruNastAvattaruNIsaktaH |
vrddhastAvaccintAsaktaH
pare brahmaNi ko.api na saktaH
“the childhood is lost in sport and play. youth flies off in pursuits of love-
making (passion). old age passes away on thinking over many past things and in
worry about the security and future of one’s wife and children (pang). and there
is hardly any time left for contemplation on god, as at no stage one is lost in
the thoughts of parabrahman.”
Sigh…:-(
@prachi:
Because we are blinded by Western philosophy. Look at the irony– those westerners are looking to Indian way of life for salvation after being fed-up with their materialistic ideology and we prefer their sick life-style. Refer to a news-item published by Times of India about a month back as per which an American Man was so much infatuated by Indian philosophy that he TORE APART his American passport and announced that India shall be his Karma-bhoomi. But the sad end of the story came about when the Indian govt instead of allowing the fellow a residence in India (like it does for the 5 cr Illegal Bangladeshis who even have ration cards!!) issued search warrant against him!! Finally he self-immolated on the republic day!!!!
There is so much of science in Veda that if “properly” explored, even the modern scientists may find an element of surprise and end up in adulation for those brilliant Rishis, like Albert Einstein realized later in his life when he went through Bhagwad Gita.
Agniveer is a good site for those wishing to know the Vedas “as it is”. The Guys running this site are making a sincere attempt at conveying the message to the masses.
It is indeed sad that present day Indians are running after material pursuits forgetting all the struggles and hardships their forefathers undertook to preserve their ancient science.
Vedic sciences survived the foreign onslaught on India, survied the destruction of temples and monestries, survived genocides and mass murders committed by invading hordes with an intention to destroy Vedic civilization once and for all.
Seers like Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, Madhvacharya, Vallabhacharya, Chitanya and countless others took great risk of opposing foreign invaders to preserve and reinterpret the Vedic science to suit the understanding capacity of the masses in the Hindu society in which they were born. But we see no such seers in the present Hindu society who has even an iota of understanding of the depths of Vedic science (barring a very few at the margin of course. Praise be on them).
Western education and subtle invasion of Western culture has succeeded in doing what marauding horeds of invaders could not do. The western culture has destroyed Vedic thought and Hindu civilization once and for all, and I am afraid there may be no turning back.
As is evident in many of the comments on this website by skeptics, it is obvious how shallow their knowledge is regarding vedic science. All they seek in vedas is description of spacecrafts, electricity generation, description of telegraph and other technical gadgetary, while the objective of vedas was to make ordinary humans immortal.
TAMASO MA JYOTHIRGAMAYA
ASATO MA SADGAMAYA
MRITOR MA AMRTITHANGA MAYA
@manjunath
It is said about Bhagwad Gita that every time you read it afresh you “discover” something new. Gandhiji once said –“when ever I am in a doubt, I turn to the Gita and find some or the other solution from those 700 verses.” Such is the beauty of this valuable scripture.
I agree with you that most people are looking at Vedas as a sort of some Science treatease. Yes, Vedas do contain science but the “core” meaning is beyond materialism and into the realm of Spiritualism. For example: Consider the “Ashtanga Yoga”. It is said that when the sadhak (yogic student) establishes in the stage of dhyana (7th stage), he acquires special powers viz. increasing or decreasing body size, becoming invisible, ability to leave the body and travel et al. BUT the sadhak is cautioned not to fall prey to such powers which are the “by-products” of Yoga, because the ULTIMATE aim is to realize the truth and be ONE/unify with the God (that is the meaning of Yoga– Integrate).
The problem with our Education system and intelligentsia is that to them the very word “Science” seems to be antithetical to the Spiritualism. It is fashion among some scientists to trash Indian Vedic philosophy as mythological and any attempt to link Vedas with science is vehemently opposed by the intelligentsia as Communalization or saffronization and “not ethical” for being taught.
For example we still teach our children that Pythagoras theorem was a western though-over, instead of telling them that it was discovered by Baudhayana (who also discovered the value of pi). It was Varahamihira’s Surya Siddhanta that described in detail the revolution of planets around the sun, along with the estimated diameter of the planets, BUT we are still told that Copernicus was the first to conceive such theory!!!
The problem has arisen in India because of psedo-secular psedo-socialist post independence constitution in India. With a false belief that positive science will solve all the problems in India and with a false notion of spreading “scientific” consciousness among Indians, the post-independent India has solely followed the policy of “aping” the west, with the result that our entire education system has been designed to churn out “white collared slaves” to run the wheels of western industrialists. The so called “engineers”, “MBA” s etc who are so much put on pedestal in India are nothing but west aping individuals who think anything from west is perfect. Sadly they do not realize that all they are doing is to train themselves to dance to the tunes of western masters.
With money making as the ultimate aim in life, they slog day and night to cater to the whims of their bosses in multi national companies where they are scarcely recognized or their voices scarcely heard.
The British education system was designed to churn out clerks and administrative workers to run the imperial machinery and it succeeded in doing that. Even today the Indians are happy to get fixed salary jobs in multinational corporations and toil for western masters.
The English knew that the only way to enslave this great civilization was by destroying its culture. They quitely replaced Sanskrit with English and once they killed the language of the culture (Sanskrit) they destroyed the culture (Sanskrithi).
Also by destroying the mother language, they destroyed the underlying unity of the intellectual India. Today the linguistic divide and linguistic chavanism is so great in India that it is impossible for one Indian to get along with any fellow Indian peacefully and harmoniously. You find 3 Indians and you will find 10 different classifications. Division based on geographical region, language, dialect, caste, sub caste, kula, gothra, family name etc etc. There is no end to it. It is difficult to find a “generic” Indian anywhere. When people are so divided like this, how can their culture survive?
The psedo intellect Indian press that still clings to English, views anything connected with the tradition as “saffronization”. The psedo secularists do not realize how shallow their ideals are.
But the intelligent Western man has realized the depths of Indian thought. Today the best place to read and understand Vedic science or learn sanskrit is in the universities of USA. Even universities like Harvard have Sanskrit deparments. Vedic sciences are studied like any other science in many universities in USA. Universities like Stanford have produced scholars who have advanced knowledge of vedic science.
But do we have this liberal thinking in India? No absolutely not. The post independent India has divided masses on caste grounds like never before in the history. I think there is a general conspiracy by the ruling classes to curb the Brahminical learning and root out Brahminical thought once and for all from India.
Vedic pundits are migrating to Europe and America and are are being warmly welcomed in these lands. But again Indians are losing their own respect by converting spiritualism into “god man” industry with a number of fake swamis swarming west with an objective of making quick buck. Godmen like Rajneesh and Mahesh yogi could build multibillion dollar empires by marketing vedic tantras and selling vedic mantras for money.
May be nothing can change in India for better untill we have the next Avatara of Narayana.
Hari Om.
@manjunath
Very touching reply. The Condition is really dismal. Our Constitution is also guilty to a an extent because it talks about a plural society, yet opts for “reservations”. It talks of “equality”, yet mentions the provisions for “special status”. The most ambiguous term in our constitution is “Secularism”, which has now become the most abused word. The fact remains that our constitution was copied from variety of sources, of course with minor adjustments and tweaks. 60yrs of Constitution saw over 100 amendments!
Regarding the “Churning of Clerks” from the present British system, Swami Vivekanand had warned the same some 100 yrs back. Yet our policy makers surrendered to the British Education system, the effect of which is now becoming all the more conspicuous. A whole generation has been brainwashed and made to hate anything Indian. This Generation is made to believe that 6 days Work/slavery and a “hard” party on the 7th day is what life is all about!!!
A very convenient scale to gauge the damage is the “Bollywood”. Just scan through the chronology of Bollywood movies since it’s inception, the change in the quality & tone of movies is an approx. barometer of our changing values. And now we have another barometer–“The Idiot Box” -TV.
The English Press is definitely the worst SLAVE of Western Masters. No other institution has abused the word “secularism” more than these puppets. As such the “ugly” truth of Media is too stinking to be discussed. It will suffice to say–Judge the Media by it’s Money source i.e. from where the Finance comes or it’s shareholders.
Degrading Spirituality: We are also to blame for all this. It is, we, who have made spiritualism convert to a business model. I had a chat with some European. He was “all-praises” for the BUSINESS MODELS of the Indian Swamis: Little inputs and tremendous “Turn-over”!! Actually the problem starts when we compromise with our conscious i.e. to say when start believing in the adjustment that it is OK to commit Sins during day-time and revert to the Swamis/Babas in Evening or weekends for washing off the “accumulated” Sins by charity etc. (NOT all Saints are Bad, But a sizable number is not genuine, and it is they who have brought bad name to Hindus in general). It reminds me of Mahabharata when Bhisma was on the bed of arrows, suffering in pain, he asked lord Krishna the reason as to his pitiable state. Krishna replied by referring to the Sin Bhisma had committed in his 72nd birth wherein he tortured a large insect by poking needles into his body. The Moral: One should do good Karma.
I like to share with you an Irony of the highest order:– I had a friend of mine who is an astrologer and talked very high about Indian culture and the need to spread it. Just a couple of days back he was standing in a long row to collect the form for the admission of his 4 yr old to a leading English Convent!!! (I am not against English Schools as such, but the prejudice against our culture)
Albert Einstein had once quoted–” The world is a dangerous place, NOT because of the Evil, BUT because of those who look on and DO NOTHING”.
regards
Thank you Pratap
I think we should have one strategy that can take care of all the problems. I think that strategy would be to revivie sanskrit language, howsoever difficult it may be. Sanskrit shuold replace English in long run. The government will not do anything about it. It should be based on private efforts.
Nowadays whenever anybody comes out with an idea, the first question people ask is “where is the money?”. Most people are under a fallacious belief that money can buy everything. I think in issues involving culture, language and education, what is important is involvement of people, mostly on voluntary basis.
If existing pundits of sanskrit take it as a personal responsibility to revive that language, as a service to Hinduism, they will be doing a greatest punya karya. Evening classes can be conducted and children should become conversant in Sanskrit. How did we learn English? At the school of course. In the English medium schools, children learn English spontaneously by starting conversation in broken English. Slowly they get indoctrined into the “English Superior” complex.
Sanskrit language can spread like candle light. One candle lights up 10 other candles, those candles light up others and so on and on till the entire environment gets lightened up.
For people who say that all this needs money, they should remember that even spending billions of rupees may not produce any result if people are do not willingly participate in the cultural revival.
These are some of my thoughts.
Manjunath Rao
@manjunath
Great Idea. Sanskrit should definitely be promoted. It is a wonderful language. I always had an inclination towards this poetic language, but unfortunately could not find the “true” master who could guide me, I had to manage with the school teachers who were more eager in completing the course than dwelling into the realms of this “classical” language. Instead of developing love for the language these teachers ended up instilling fear in their pupil. And once into my profession, I lost all touch with this Queen of Languages. I hope my children are initiated into Sanskrit right from the beginning. What we need is “appropriate” masters and a sense of respect towards the language.
I did like to share with you what Swami Vivekananda said about a “True” teacher– “A true teacher is he who can immediately come to the level of the student, and transfer his soul to the student’s soul & see through and understand through his mind.”
I have heard about a colony in Delhi, all of who’s residents converse in Sanskrit!!! Also as per wikipedia all the inhabitants of following areas converse only in Sanskrit– 1. Mattur (karnataka); 2. Jhiri, dist. Rajgarh, MP; 3. Bawali, District: Bagapat, Uttar Pradesh; 4. Ganoda, District: Banswada, Rajasthan; 5. Mohad, District: Narasinhpur, Madhya Pradesh.
An interesting anecdote to share with you: “When Serial Mahabharata was beamed into Indian homes, it did a remarkable thing apart from the storyline; It affected the “vocabulary” of the Children. Words like “Pita-shri”, “mata-shri”, “pranam”, “anuj”, “acharya” etc became household words. Children by nature are very inquisitive and are deeply influenced by their surroundings and family happens to be their first school. In good olden days children were taken to temples and acquainted with the Culture. There used to be family Pujas, Yagnas, recital of mantras. But now it is the western Television with the sort of content that can put even the elders to shame.
Researches have shown that if a child is initiated into his mother language early own INSTEAD of exposing him to foreign language, then it stimulates his Mind in a favorable way. So I think that English should be introduced only after class III, until then it should be the vernaculars.
Before ending, I did also like to state that no doubt we should stress on sanskrit language BUT we have “adjust” to the fact that our so-called Modern society demands a good command over “ALIEN” English language, hence we have to take care of this part also. Let’s give the devil it’s due.
Namaskar
Thank you Pratap. But I would like to differ on the relevance of western education to India.
Japanes could become most advanced nation without aping west. They continued with their language and assimilated western knowledge and created something of their own. The best example is Toyota production. The TPS system was something that Japanese developed on their own after looking into weaknesses in Ford production system. Japanese could challenge the west in every way because they retained their unique Eastern method of thinking. They have emerged as leaders in quality in every aspect of life.
Today China is emerging as next superpower. Chinese are overtaking US in every sphere. How did they attain this? Not with English education. Although Chinese are now working on learning more of English, their developement has been solely due their retention of their culture and language.
If India has to develop and overcome its chronic poverty, it has to develop something of its own without becoming a puppet of western nations. Indians should think originally without being copy cats. Otherwise India’s fate will be soon that of Latin American countries which have suffered a lot because of their aimlessly aping USA.
While western science provides most valuable knowledge, it should be understood and assimilated by the local populace in accordence with their own culture. Development is not mindless uprooting of tradition and transferring of alien technology. Prosperity can only arise when people can live harmoniously and flourish in their own culture. If the cultural root is destroyed, how can the society survive?
In couple of generations from now we will have a society consisting mostly of confused individuals who will not be able to give a meaning to their lives. Thier lives will be no different from that of Native American Indians in USA or Aborigines in Australia or African Americans in USA whose cultures have been totally destroyed and who are now reduced to the marginal fringes in the society.
On the face of it English education may be providing us with a link to “advanced” technologies of the western world, but looking at the deeper level we find that the so called educated Indians have lost their ability to think originally, and even when they think originally they are scarcely recognized. How many Indians get academic recognition? How many scientists has India produced? Indians do not receive any recognition in the universities of the West even if they are most highly qualified. I hear that Indian doctors who go abroad may have to settle down for jobs as nursing assistants or medical assistants (I may be wrong on this one)
I have personally seen graduates from IIT and IIM in America working as third level graduate assitants or teaching assistants with nobody appreciating their level of knowledge. The credit for all the research and hard work Indian academicians do is taken by the western professors who get their works more easily published. This is a fact.
The sorry state affairs in Indian academics would not have arisen if we had a system of education based on our lanugage. Today the education system in India is based merely on rote learning unlike in the west where the stress is on original thinking and practical education. Material in text books in India are just copied outright from the West and the Indian students memorize the contents without even questioning its relevance to the real life in India.
Take for instance education in management institutes where students learn theories developed in Harvard or Stanford. These theories are very much relevant to America and are based on empirical investigations in America. Our so called advanced institutions of education (IIT, IIM etc) teach these theories in classrooms. When these managers go to work in the real world India, they do not find any relevance of what they study in colleges with what is found in real work situation. Naturally these frustrated students opt to go out to west to seek jobs that are more relevant to their education. At the same time they get totally alienated from their home culture.
Once they go west, they have to settle down for lower level positions. I have personally seen highly trained Engineers slogging like slaves or living in cramped conditions of shared apartments (20 people living in a small apartment of 3 bedrooms). Highly qualified Indian engineers are reduced to the status of white collared slaves. Many a times they are forced to compromize their values and falsify resumes to get even a small time job.
This is the direct result of our obsession with English and Western education. If we had our own system of education and our own way of managing the academia, we would have westerners thronging at our doors to seek Indian education, like they seek from Japan. Now western capitalists are directly benefitting from all the investment India makes in terms of time and money in education. How relevant is the western education to India or Indian society?
While what I am stating above may seem irrelevant to the discussion on Vedic Science, I would like to state that this issue is closely related. If Indians were educated in Vedic Sciences, they would have sought to find the truth in Vedic Sciences in western science, instead of otherway round. Now Indians are seeking to find engineering designs for aircrafts in Vedic Science, which is totaly irrelevant to the objective of Vedic Science.
Hari Om.
@mangunath
Well, I appreciate your reasoning, and I hope others also benefit from your “enlightening” observations.
I have some doubts regarding “utility” of English language in our country, I would be grateful if you clear it up:
1. It is claimed that English is an international language and is often projected as a “connecting” Language b/w the North and south India. Is it true??
2. English propagandists claim that South Indians are more “apprehensive” in conversing/using Hindi than the English language (Source: Debate on NDTV and internet);
It is amusing that Hindi continues to be an “official” language of India BUT NOT A “STATE” LANGUAGE!!!
You raised a very valid point that we are aping the Western Models of Business, whereas the Western B-Schools are reverting to India for the “basic” management fundas. For example: Mahabharata, Gita, Vedas, kautilya’s Arthshastra, Dabawallah’s of Mumbai. BUT our B-schools, including IIMs, love to blindly follow the west and their stupid Models that are now becoming reduntant.
Another interesting anecdote on the Western influence blinding Indians: Lawyers in India are MADE to wear Coat and tie “even in the Summers”!!! And in Winters they are forced to wear “Gown” just like their western country counterparts!!! (How foolish of our system to have “ignored” a pertinent fact that the dress code suited the English and the West because of the COLD WEATHER, which is not the case in the Sub-continent which reels under warm weather most of the year!!)
An amusing instance: The PM of India Manmohan Singh had once quoted that we must indeed be “INDEBTED” to the Britishers for the “infrastructure” developed by them, viz. the rail transportation, industries etc!!!
namaskar
Hindi is not a unifying language for India. I can tell you many South Indians feel it imposed by the North. What is a unifying native Indian language would be Sanskrit. Sanskrit language is the inheritance of all Indians of all regions North, South, East, West, of all faiths (it is an ancient language that predates most faiths and as such Indians of all faiths can claim it as their heritage). Even Western journalist Francois Gautier thinks of all languages Sanskrit is one that has the best chance to be a universal Indian language.
Pratapji,
Yes English is a connecting link between North and South India. Hindi cannot act as the bridge. I have worked as Hindi Officer for a major bank in India and I still feel that Hindi does not have the richness of an intellectual language like Sanskrit has. The official hindi is full of sanskrit words. The official Hindi is nothing but just a translation of original English documents into Hindi. There is no originality in the official Hindi.
The problem in India is there are so many languages as rich as Hindi and even more ancient. Tamil and Kannada have more ancient literature. Compared to Tamil and Kannada, I think Hindi is a relatively new language. Dravidian languages are as ancient as Indus civilization itself. Even sanskrit has a ring of dravidianism in it. (especially the “ma” endings)
The only Indian language that can act as a bridge and a link to all the Indian languages is Sanskrit. Even if it is dead, it has to be revived. Sanskrit only enriches all the languages and forms sort of basis for every language in India, including Tamil.
The people who adopted Hindi as national language were colored by thier attachment to their own language without looking into our rich cultural history. For centuries before English or Urdu, Indians classified their languages as Sanskrit and Prakrit. Whereas the all the existing Indian languages fall into the category of Prakrit, it is the Sanskrit that is the language of intellectual India. Even when people want to express something profound in their mother tongue, they use Sanskrit words.
Hindi can never be the language of everybody in India. Firstly, it has an alien taste in that it is more arabic and urdu in nature. The spoken Hindustani has more Urdu words and it is difficult to differentiate the spoken Hindi from Urdu of Pakistan. Secondly, for south indians it is difficult to understand and it does not provide the satisfaction of an intellectual language. Even Hindi speaking individuals find the Rajbhasha alien and strange.
So for convenience of everybody in India let us adopt an Indian language which is equally difficult to everybody which is SANSKRIT. Instead of Sanskritizing Hindi and making it alien to Hindi speakers themselves, it is better to use Sanskrit in its original form.
I am not being a chavanist but we have to appreciate the difficulty of South indians in accepting Hindi. Although I have worked as a Hindi officer, when I speak, many of the north indian friends tend to make fun of me at my grammar or mistakes regarding ling usage or my accent. I feel embarassed to speak in Hindi with them, because it tends to be more like Rajbhasha and not the spoken hindi they are accustomed to.
We should however be aware that the fact that we do not have a common language should not be a reason for retention of English. At the extremes, it is better to support and nourish regional languages rather than stick to English. In the modern era of internet and computers, the Central Government can communicate with each State in its own language without imposing Hindi on them. The Central Government can speak Hindi, Tamil, Kannada, Telugu, Assamese etc. That would be more easy than trying to educate millions of Indians in a language they are not comfortable with.
These are my humble and sincere observations.
@manjunath
Honest comments indeed. Well, if Sanskrit (intellectual language) can act as a connecting link b/w North and South, then let that be so. It is heartening to hear that Sanskrit has the “real” prospect of taking over the role of “Alien” English in acting as the bridging Language.
I surfed the NET and found out some interesting facts. South India is known to produce some brilliant Sanskrit Scholars, viz.
1. It was the minister of Vijayanagar, Sayana, who wrote commentary on all the 4 Vedas;
2. South-Indian composer Bharavi wrote mahakavya “kiratarjuniyut”;
3. `Adi Sankara`, a composer from Kerala had given many wonderful devotional lyrics;
4. `Dasakumaracharita` and `Avantisundarikatha` are two Sanskrit works of Dandin,
a south Indian genius;
5. The 3 great propounder of Vedanta belong to South India;
For a good analysis, please visit the following link–http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.html
Namaskar
Thank you Pratapji,
Yes South India did produce Sanskrit scholars. After the Mohammedan invasion of North, when thousands of temples were destroyed in Kashi, Mathura, Agra, Orrisa. When entire North Western region got a notorias name of Hindu Kush (massacre Hindus), Hindu intellectuals fled south where they founded the kingdom of Vijayanagara.
When Dwarka was looted, the pundits of Dwarka took care to preserve the idol worshipped by Rukmini (Krishnas wife) which was later smuggled to South India and installed at Udupi by Madhwacharya. The disciples of Madhwacharya were responsible for founding of the Vijayanagara kingdom, in the South. Vyasatheertha, Purandara Dasa, Kanaka Dasa etc propounded the Dasa cult and the famous Dasas including Kabirdas, Tulsidas, Ramdas etc belong to this school of Hindu philosophy.
Vyasathirtha was the rajguru of Krishnadeva raya of Vijayanagara and was a follower and propounder of Madhwacharyas dwaita philosophy which stresses on the difference between Jivatma and Paramatma.
Under the patronage of Krishnadevaraya, Hinduism and Sanskrit culture flourished in South India and thousands of temples (Kanchipuram, Mahabalipuram, Sri Rangam, Rameshwaram, Tirupathi etc) were constructed. It was the infrastructure provided by South Indian Vijayanagara dynasty that was responsible for providing strength to Hinduism in the country as a whole to withstand and resist the onslaught of Islam. Bhakthi movement in India started from the kingdom of Vijayanagara. The priests of Badrinath hail from South India.
Vallabhacharya and Chitanya were responsible for spreading Bhakthi cult in North India. Vallabhacharya was a disciple or a contemporary of Vyasathirtha of Vijayanagara. Vallabhacharya helped Vyasathirtha and his team to win a decisive victory over Adwaitins in King Krishnadevarayas court. Vallabhacharya later migrated to north to found Shudha Adwaitha which laid foundation for Bhakthi movement and survival of Hinduism in the north. It was Vallabhacharya who reinstalled Dwarkanath in Dwarka and it is his descendants who have the custody of worship in Dwarka temple even today.
If you go to Assam and Manipur you find a unique kind of Vaishnavism existing there which again has its origins in Chitanya Mahaprabhus teaching. Chitanya visited Udupi and took a lighted lamp from Udupi temple to spread the word of Krishna in the North. (This lighted lamp which was lit by Madhwacharya continues to burn even today and the seers (swamijis) in the Udupi mutt see to it that it never goes out).
I am bringing out all these matters to shed light on the underlying unity that exists between North, South, East and West of India.
It is fallacious to believe that British unified India through Railways and English language. This is what is taught in history books at schools even today. India was always united and was united through Sanskrit and Hindu culture. Acharyas travelled north, west, east and south establishing temples. Shankaracharya established peethas (or schools of learning) in all the four corners of the country including Kamarup in Assam and Srinagar in Kashmir. In fact there was an ancient peetha of Shankara called Sharadha peeta in the present Pak occupied Kashmir where Shankara defeated scholars not only from India but also scholars from abroad. It is said that the southern door of this peeta which remained closed for centuries opened up for Shankara when he visited there.
I am bringing about all these points to hint how Sanskrit can once again reunite India and revitalize our culture.
Hari Om.
@manjunath
Very well said. May the “artificial” British created North-South divide vanish and India usher into a new era of Unity and brother-hood and May Sanskrit emerge as the Common mother of two Brothers –North and South.
For this to turn into a reality, I propose the following:
1. General public has to rise up and become self-assertive in order to preserve their unique identity and culture;
2. Do not expect the politicians or the pseudo-intellectuals poisoned by English slavery to do something meaningful; Initiatives have to come from within the public;
3. If we could inculcate in the younger generation the love and admiration for the “Great” culture of ours then 3/4th of the job is done;
4. World over native people are desperately re-connecting with their roots. For example the Native Americans, who suffered greatly under the European Masters, are beginning to appreciate their once great civilization. If it can be in America then why not in India?
5. The best way to stop a Propaganda is to launch a “Counter-Propaganda”, let this be the job of the enlightened souls;
6. Stop tolerating the insult of Indian culture on the popular media, esp. the abusive and mischievous description of Hindu Gods and the Culture. (Lord Yamraj is depicted in a very bad humor; Some toilet brands are using the name of Hindu saints such as Parshuram). Such sinister demeaning of Hindu Gods, saints, symbols must stop;
7. Sanskrit still continues to remain “exclusively” within the domain of the Preachers, Prohits etc; there is a need to make it the language of the masses;
8. A “Natural” love and respect for Sanskrit, instead of fear and subjugation, has to be developed amongst the younger generation. For that “dedicated” and “humane” approach is solicited. Without this essential feature of “love” and “admiration”, mere making Sanskrit compulsory in academics will NOT do;
9. It is necessary to dispel the false assumption that Sanskrit is all about religious verses and commentary; the poetic aspect of this “Mother of all languages” has to be made more explicit;
10. Transformation from English to Sanskrit will take time and a lot of patience, but as they say it– A Good beginning is HALF the job done.
Namaskar
I agree on every point you have made. I would like to know what other members on this forum think about this.
You have rightly pointed out the threats to our culture arising in India. While there are many threats to our culture arising within the country, there still exists an external danger of which Indians are not aware. The subtle conspiracy to uproot the Hindu ethos, culture and religion and create a void so that it becomes convenient for Christian or Islamic faith to override India.
I fear that the subtle invasion of Western culture is part of a long term strategy to weaken Hinduism as a whole. It is sad that the younger generation is wholly lapping up the Western ideology without realizing that it might be a long term conspiracy to wipe off Hinduism from its mother land.
India is no longer called a Hindu country, but it is a Secular republic. Hindus themselves are hesitant to call their mother country their own. If India is not the home of Hindus, I would like to know where is the home for Hindus? America!!!. Surely Israelis have no qualms of calling their land as land of Jews or Islamic nations have no hesitation in calling themselves Islamic republic.
Now a subtle threat which Hindus are not aware of is that of false Hinduism that is being spread in the west. While we think that the Hindu Godmen are thronging west to popularize Hinduism, I see the reverse happening. Westerners are attracting Godmen with money and appealing to their greed. Once they go West, these Godmen totally switch their attitudes.
Tantra and devotion to Shiva and Shakthi is equated with unrestricted enjoyment of lust and sex (Eg. Rajneesh. Tantra is equated with Sex. You can do a websearch on this). Way back in 1970s Hare Krishna was equated with drugs and LSD. ISKCON suffered many scandals involving guns and child abuses. (This happened because of blatant misinterpretation of Krishna leela and Bhagvata). There are countless Western gurus misinterpreting yoga, tantra, siddhi etc and using these terms as a convenience for licentious behavior and money making. Nithyananda scandal must be an eyeopener.
Western intellectuals are taking liberties with Vedic Science and Vedic Texts. I study in America (PhD) and I have seen the misinformation that is being spread in Western universities in the name of teaching Vedic Sciences. Mantras do not represent gods but are meaningless special sounds that can help individuals “transcend” or “relax” or get good night sleep. Many westerners are accustomed to listening to Samaveda before going to bed because it helps them get good sleep without using the pills. The Devatas are not Gods but powers of nature. They are inanimate. Siddhi is a scientific technique to remove stress and experience higher states of consciousness.
Brahman and mother Goddesses like Lakshmi, Shakthi, Saraswathi are nothing but the Unified Field of Physics. It is just an inanimate source of energy like electricity or solar power that has to be “harnessed” through yogic practices. Hindu God is nothing but something like a “rubber band” (using the logic of string theory from physics). (But this logic may not apply to Christian God because he is Jesus Christ who was a living breathing person)
Above all they say that Hindus have misinterpreted everything for thousands of years, and it is the duty of the “enlightened” west to reinterpret Vedas and teach Hindus the truth about their own religion. India is a land of ignorance. (The same old “white mans burden” theory now being sold in new bottles). It seems to me the message from west is that while Hinduism is a primitive “science”, the only true religion is Christianity or Judaism.
This strategem does not end in West. It is being spread in India. Youngsters are enticed to join new age religions like TM or Sahaja Yoga, or other kinds of meditation cults. Funds are flowing from West to start ashrams, meditation camps, spiritual colonies right in the heart of India where Westerners come and camp. The so called Vedic Pundits dance to the tunes of the Westerners and even take the liberties of misinterpreting Vedas to suit the temperments of moneyed clients from West.
While Vedic Pundits in India act puritanical and refuse to teach Vedas to non brahmins or women, they have no qualms in selling Vedic Chants and Vedic Mantras to beef eating westerners and western women for money. Mantras have been branded, trade marked and marketed like Coke or Pepsi. Vedic chanting has become an industry with westerners conducting Veda reciting classes where they mispronounce and mischant the vedas and also sell CDs containing Vedic chants (Do they sell Bibles? Of course not. Bibles are not for sale. They should be distributed free. But this rule does not apply to Hindu scriptures including Bhagavad Gita).
They say Hindus have misinterpreted everything for thousands of years. Vedic gods are nothing but forces of nature and vedic mantras are unique sounds that should be harnessed to produce benefits. Hindu mantras which were meant for spiritual upliftment are equated with spells and charms and westerners think that they can get untold wealth and benefits through these mantras. (Including ability to fly like birds). While vedas and upanishads teach renunciation as a way of life, Hindu Godmen in the West preach unbriddled materialism as a goal of happiness (Rajneesh, Mahesh Yogi).
And sadly the younger generation Hindus think and argue that what is being said by “superior” westerners must be the truth. Totally brainwashed with western science and western ideals, they too join the band of misinterpreters and try to see western technology and western engineering in Vedic Science.
What is Hindu India doing about this? Nothing. Hindus are still involved in their age old game of mistrust, quarrel and divisive politics. In long run, nobody in India would even know an iota of Vedic Sciences. All that would remain would be what is found in western universities. And what is found in west is gross misinterpretation.
At the same time the western man will make billions of dollars by patenting Veda, Ayurveda and Sthapathyaveda.
Hari Om.
@Manjunath:
I generally try to refrain calling for a “Hindu” India because it is nearly impossible to answer “Who is a Hindu?” to the satisfaction of everyone. Just see the problems countries are having that have religion as the sole raison d’etre.
I actually LIKE true secularism (complete separation of “church/mosque/temple” and state). You are also correct that “secularism” in India = unabashed minority appeasement. That, unfortunately, is our tragedy. But here is hoping that Agniveer and other Hindu-centric forces at play can educate people about any conspiracy that may/may not be brewing up.
Also, I think the atheists in the West are doing a fairly good and effective job at dissecting and discarding Islam/Christianity. Between themselves, Islam and Christianity will probably end up slaughtering themselves (as is happening in parts of Africa and the Middle-East). I personally feel the essence of Hinduism is quite safe and immune to various world forces. Still a lot of work needs to be done. For one, the internet is the last bastion of free speech and we must utilize it to the hilt to get across our POV.
@manjunath
We, Hindus, ourselves are responsible for the plight that our Great Culture finds itself into. I will dwell into a few “FAULT-LINES” in a series of comments, starting from this one.
First let me deal with the concept of “ashtanga” Yoga: The most fundamental rule of teaching Yoga is to have a “learned” Guru and a “dedicated” & “appropriate” Shishya. Let me make it very clear that the science of Yoga was NEVER meant to be a “HEALTH-PACKAGE”, as it has been made today. Yoga was always for the serious students who “truly” lived the life of a Yogi. Chapter 6 of GITA specifically deals with this form of Yoga. It lays down specific conditions for the disciple and also the master.
BUT what is happening today: Any body with “money” can PURCHASE the Yoga postures. And the rich pseudo-Yogis, the so-called ‘Masters’, are ever ready to SELL it to all and sundry. It is a BIG SHAME and an INSULT to this ancient practice. In my opinion if Yoga is just for health benefits, then the very purpose of “Astanga” Yoga stands defeated. The very goal of Yoga is spiritualism.
Next, Let us now deal with “Ayurveda”. We have (deliberately) forgotten the most basic law of a Vaid (The Healer). The rule was that the healer shall not ask for the financial benefits, it is left to the “discretion” of the patient after he is cured. The vaid was supposed to take the money offered by the patient as “Daana”. The Vaids frequently offered “free” services to the poor. Regarding the herbs: The herbs were collected from the virgin forests and medicines were prepared as per the specific patient and NOT Mass-production.
BUT what is happening Today— A “Price-Tag” on every “Product”. All sorts of Chemicals are mixed and labeled “Ayurvedic” (This is a BIG scandal in Ayurveda industry). Mass-Cultivation, Mass-Production, Factory-Produce. Any one with a Diploma in Ayurveda becomes eligible to be called a “Vaid” and can get a license to open his “DUKAAN”!!! (I know some facts because my father in his childhood helped a Healer who prepared Ayurvedic medicines from herbs)
contd…
Namaskar
@manjunath
The Science in Shastras: Indian Shastras contain a vast amount of science, some of which deal with the highly “advanced” levels of knowledge in all fields. Various forms of Astras and Shastras are defined, for example- Nag-Astra, Brahma-astra, Pashupat-astra, Narayan-astra, agni-astra, Vayu-astra, Varun-astra, Nag-pasha, et al.
Then there is a mention of the science of converting Mercury into Gold through “Cold-fusion” (Though the methodology has been lost, but there are strong proofs of the existence of the sustra till the beginning of 20th Century, after which it remain untraceable).
Plastic Surgery (Rhinoplasty) used to be performed in ancient India, Sushruta is credited with it.
There are many many such TREASURE-MINES of Knowledge, some in the Public domain and Most remaining obscure and hidden.
BUT What I exactly want to deal with is the reason and the “necessity” of such knowledge remaining HIDDEN. King Ashoka was amongst the first ones to realize the importance and “vulnerability” of such advance sciences. He apprehended the “real” prospect of such crucial knowledge falling into the hands of Evil (An Analogy of this is the concern of US about Atomic weapons falling into the hands of extremists, though it is a separate matter that US is the worst and the “only” abuser of the Atomic weapons in the Modern world, courtesy- Hiroshima-Nagasaki!!). It is claimed that he formed a Secret society of Nine, wherein, every individual had his area of specialization & was entrusted with collection of knowledge and further enhancement in his particular field. BUT the condition was that such knowledge SHOULD NOT fall into the hands of the “unqualified” and “Unpredictable” dangerous people with evil motives. It was remain SECRET.
Some claims (though not substantiated) suggest that the books written by the members of society remain hidden somewhere in the Himalayas, esp in the Tibetan Plateau. Some claim that it was burnt in the arson by the communist China which destroyed the Shaolin temple. But No body knows where they are. In fact it is in the interest of the Humanity that it remains hidden. To be very frank, we, the “Modern” people DO NOT deserve those books. DO WE???
Another instance of the Correct knowledge passing to “only” the “Correct” Pupil was the ancient Nalanda University. Whenever a student wished to join the coveted university, he had to find an appropriate answer to a question in the form of some shloka, if the reply was satisfactory, only then he was entitled to join the University. Money was NOT the criterion.
contd…
Namaskar
sayanas commentary on the holy sacred vedas gives an approximate value to speed of light which i have given in one of my comments down.pls see that brother/sister
good work agniveer.
i am a nair by birth , but intrstd in studying vedas, THE ULTIMATE TRUTH’ like brahmanan.
i will post messages on more vedic sciences to you on this web page ?…
@saroj:
Please do not construe this as nitpicking…but I just want to quibble on a very minor point in your statement (something that I am sure you did not even think about or intend to convey)
i am a nair by birth , but intrstd in studying vedas
The Vedas are for everyone regardless of caste/creed/religion/nationality/tribe/race/gender. The fact that one is a Nair or Pillai or Caucasian or Chinese is irrelevant for the study of Vedas.
Athatho Brahmajigyasa – Let us inquire into the nature of Brahman.
saroj
As Brother KalBhairav has already stated, its not that Brahmanas are interested in studying Vedas but those who are interested in studying Vedas are called Brahmanas.
So you are Brahman and so is anyone who has urge to explore Vedas and knowledge irrespective of his/her birth based conditions. And similarly those born even in Brahman family, if not study Vedas and knowledge, are all Shudras.
i am a nair by birth but wants to study the VEDAS
“Access to the Vedas is the greatest privilege this century may claim over all previous centuries” – Robert Oppenheimer, Father of Modern Atomic Bomb
“Amid all the beliefs of Europe, and of Asia, that of the Indian Brahmins seems to me infinitely the most alluring. And the reason why I love the Brahmin more than the other schools of Asiatic thought is because it seems to me to contain them all. Greater than all European philosophies, it is even capable of adjusting itself to the vast hypotheses of modern science. Our Christian religions have tried in vain, when there were no other choice open to them, to adapt themselves to the progress of science. But after having allowed myself to be swept away by the powerful rhythm of Brahmin thought, along the curve or life, with its movement of alternating ascent and return, I come back to my own century, and while finding therein the immense projections of a new cosmogony, offspring of the genius of Einstein, or deriving freely from the discoveries, I yet do not feel that I enter a strange land. I yet can hear resounding still the cosmic symphony of all those planets which forever succeed each other, are extinguished and once more illumined, with their living souls, their humanities, their gods – according to the laws of the eternal To Become, the Brahmin Samsara – I hear Siva dancing, dancing in the heart of the world, in my own heart.” – Romain RollandReligious faith in the case of the Hindus has never been allowed to run counter to scientific laws, moreover the former is never made a condition for the knowledge they teach, but there are always scrupulously careful to take into consideration the possibility that by reason both the agnostic and atheist may attain truth in their own way. Such tolerance may be surprising to religious believers in the West, but it is an integral part of Vedantic belief. - Romain Rolland
“When I read the Bhagavad Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.” – Albert Einstein
“After the conversations about Indian philosophy (Vedas), some of the ideas of Quantum Physics that had seemed so crazy suddenly made much more sense”. W. Heisenberg (German Physicist, 1901-1976)The Danish nuclear physicist and Nobel Prize winner Niels Bohr once wrote, “I go into the Upanishads to ask questions.”
enough to prove vedas are the source of insiration to science
great wisdom the vedas have…
great intelligence the vedas have…
@kalbhairav , thank you for your great advice
sorry for i repeated the mistake
what we as indian need to do is to glorify our culture
please help me
i feel like falling at the feet of our rishis
the so called
“scientific error in vedas”
are truly:
“misinterpretation and illogical understanding in vedas”
VEDAS ARE THE ULTIMATE TRUTH
HARI AUM
Namaste saroj
And this so called babble of scientific errors in Vedas is debunked here http://agniveer.com/3050/scientific-errors-in-hinduism/