No Beef in Vedas – 2

No Beef in Vedas

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/no-beef-in-vedas-part2-hi/

We had published an analysis of the allegation that Vedas have references of beef-eating and animal sacrifice in http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/ . We provided ample evidences in this work that:

a. Vedas are completely against animal killing and violence on innocent creatures

b. Vedic Yajna is by definition non-violent and animal sacrifice is against Vedic precepts

c. Contrary to claims of beef consumption in Vedas, there are references that call for protection of cows and destruction of those who kill this most productive and harmless animal.

Thankfully after the publication of this work, the slanderous campaign against Vedas has lost its teeth significantly and no reasonable rebuttal to the content of the work ever surfaced. However, a few minor voices have continued to mislead people on this issue using splinter quotes from translations of Vedic literature by incompetent western indologists and juxtaposing them with their own agenda. In this work, we would attempt to address some of those allegations and make the two part work a reasonable single point reference to counter any such misled campaign in future. For those desiring a more detailed exposition, we have already provided a list of references at the end of Part 1 of the work.

So lets begin:

Allegation:

It is well-known that animal sacrifice was necessary in Yajna. Vedas are full of praise of Yajnas.

Agniveer:

Yajna word is derived from root ‘Yaj’ by adding Nan pratyaya. Yaj root has three meanings : Devapuja (behaving appropriately with the entities around- worshipping Eeshvar, respecting parents, keeping the environment clean etc are few examples), Sangatikaran (Unity) and Daan (Charity). As per Vedas, these form the primary duty of human beings and hence Yajna is so emphasized not only in Vedas but in almost entire Indian literature of ancient era.

What is important however is the fact that Yajna has no reference to animal killing whatsoever. In fact, Nirukta (Vedic vocabulary) clearly states in 2.7 that Yajna is called Adhwara. Dhwara means violence and hence it is totally banned in Yajna.

In other words, forget about animal killing, any kind of violence – through mind, body or voice – is completely banned in Yajna.

Adhwara is used to imply Yajna in a large number of mantras in the Vedas. For example, Rigveda 1.1.4, 1.1.8, 1.14.21, 1.128.4, 1.19.1, Atharvaveda 4.24.3, 18.2.2, 1.4.2, 5.12.2, 19.42.4.  Around 43 mantras in Yajurveda refer to Adhwara.

In fact Yajurveda 36.18 clearly states that “May I look upon everyone – Sarvaani Bhootani (and not only human beings) with friendly eyes.”

Thus, Vedas, nowhere justify animal sacrifice and on contrary condemn any form of violence on innocent beings.

Historically, there may have been prevalence of animal sacrifice, but that has nothing to do with content of Vedas. Many Muslim girls and boys have been working as vulgar models and actresses in film industry. In fact in Bollywood, most top actors and actresses have been Muslims. This does not necessarily mean Quran justifies vulgarity. Similarly, adultery and pre-marital sex is widespread in Christian countries. This does not mean Bible demands them to indulge in these vices.

In same vein, while animal sacrifice may have been an historical phenomenon due to decadence of Vedic values, we openly challenge anyone to cite even one single reference from Vedas that talk of animal sacrifice in Yajna.

Allegation:

If that be so, what about Ashwamedha, Naramedha, Ajamedha, Gomedha yajnas? Medha means killing and Vedas even justify Naramedha (human sacrifice).

Agniveer:

We have already discussed in Part 1 that the word medha does not necessarily mean slaughter. It denotes an act done in accordance to the intellect. Alternatively it could mean consolidation or nurturing, as evident from the root meaning of medha i.e. medhru san-ga-me (refer Dhatupath)

When we already know that Yajnas are supposed to be Adhwara or non-violent, why should we take Medha to mean violence? Don’t we call an intelligent person – Medhaavi or name our daughters Medhaa. Do we imply they are violent people or intelligent persons?

Shatpath 13.1.6.3 and 13.2.2.3 clearly states that:

A Yajna dedicated to the glory, wellbeing and prosperity of the Rashtra the nation or empire is known as the Ashwamedh yajna. Thus likes of Ram Prasad Bismil, Ashfaq, Netaji, Shivaji, Tilak etc performed Ashwamedha Yajna.

To keep the food pure or to keep the senses under control, or to make a good use of the rays of Sun or keep the earth free from impurities[clean] is called Gomedha Yajna. The word Gau also means the Earth and the yajna dedicated to keep the Earth the environment clean is called Gomedha Yajna. (refer Nighantu 1.1, and Shatpath 13.15.3).

The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna. Dedicated efforts for training and productivity of people is also Naramedha Yajna or Purushmedha Yajna or Nriyajna.

Aja means grains. So Ajamedha Yajna refers to increasing agricultural productivity or in a very narrow sense : using grains in Agnihotra. Refer Shantiparva 337.4-5.

Vishnu Sharma in Panchatantra (Kakoliyam) clearly states that those who perform animal sacrifice in Yajna are fools because they do not understand Vedas properly. If one goes to Heaven by animal sacrifice, what could be the path to go to Hell!

Mahabharat Shantiparva has two shlokas in Shantiparva that those who state that Yajna contain alcohol, fish or meat are frauds, atheists and devoid of knowledge of Shastras. (263.6, 265.9)

Allegation:

What about Yajurveda 24.29 which uses words ‘Hastina Aalambhate’ that means sacrifice of elephants?

Agniveer:

Who told you that Alambha derived from Labha root means sacrifice or killing? Labha means to acquire or gain. While Hastina has a deeper meaning beyond elephant, even if we take it to mean elephant in this mantra, it only says that the king should acquire elephants for nurture of his kingdom. What is so violent about it?

Alambha is used in several places to mean ‘acquire’ or ‘gain’. For example, Manusmriti prohibits indulging in women for Brahmacharis by saying ” Varjayet Streenam Alambham”.

Thus this conjecture is completely out of place. May be those who concocted Aalambhate to mean killing in Vedic mantras were themselves addicted  to killing animals for food and hence their first instinct of deriving benefits from animals was to imply killing them.

Allegation:

But what about ‘Sanjyapan’ used in Brahmana and Shraut texts to mean sacrifice?

Agniveer:

Refer Atharvaveda 6.10.94.95 which says that we should do Sanjyapan of mind, body and heart. Does it mean we should commit suicide! Sanjyapan simply means unity and nurture. The mantra says that we should strengthen our mind, body and heart and ensure they work in unity. Sanjyapan also means ‘to inform’.

Allegation:

You are escaping every time from being trapped. But no more. What do you have to say about Yajurveda 25.34-35 / Rigveda 1.162.11-12 which states that:

“What from thy body which with fire is roasted, when thou art set upon the spit, distilleth,— Let not that lie on earth or grass neglected, but to the longing Gods let all be offered.”

“They who, observing that the Horse is ready, call out and say, The smell is good; remove it; And, craving meat, await the distribution,—may their approving help promote our labour.”

Very clearly there is explicit description of horse sacrifice.

Agniveer:

We believe you have quoted from the trash works of Griffith.

The first has no reference to horse. It simply means that when people are suffering due to high temperatures/ fever, the doctors should care for them and provide them treatment.

In second mantra, all he did was to assume that Vaajinam word means ‘horse’. However, ‘Vajinam’ means a brave/strong/ dynamic/ fast entity. Thus horse is also known as Vaajinam. There can be many interpretations of the mantras, however none lead to horse sacrifice.

In fact, even if we mean that Vaajinam means horse, still the very verse in fact means that those who attempt to kill horses (Vajinam) should be prevented from doing so. We strongly recommend reviewing the translation by Swami Dayanand Saraswati for these mantras.

Also, refer to huge number of mantras provided in Part 1 of the article (http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/ ) that explicitly prohibit animal killing and severe punishment for animal killers – especially killers of horses and cows.

No-Beef-in-Vedas-–-2

Allegation:

What about reference to Goghna or killing of cows in Vedas? What about Atithigva/ Atithigna or a person who served beef to guests?

Agniveer:

In Part 1, we gave ample references of cow being Aghnya or Aditi – not worthy of being killed. We also gave references of strict punishment in Vedas for those who destroy cows.

Gam root means ‘to go’. That is why planets are also called ‘Go’ because they move. Atithigna/ Atithigva means one who goes towards the guest or serves his guests sincerely.

Goghna has several meanings. Even if we take ‘Go’ to mean cow, Goghna means Go+Han : Approaching cow. (Han root means Movement and Knowledge apart from Violence).

There are many references in Vedas where Han is used for approaching and not killing, For example, Atharvaveda states “Husband should Han-approach the wife.”

Thus these allegations are equally baseless.

Allegation:

Vedas talk of not killing young cows. But old barren cows (Vashaa) are supposed to be killed. Similarly, Uksha or bulls should be killed as per Vedas.

Agniveer:

This hypothesis was popularized in recent times by yet another pseudo-scholar D N Jha to defend his assertion of beef-eating in Vedas despite obvious contradictions that come up because of verses in Vedas that state the exact opposite. With home-grown defective pieces, who needs enemies from outside!

The fact is that Uksha refers to a medicinal herb, also known as Soma. Even someone like Monier Williams in his Sanskrit-English Dictionary states the same.

Vashaa refers to controlling powers of God and not a barren cow. If Vasha is used to mean a barren cow, then many Vedic verses will make no sense.

For example, Atharvaveda 10.10.4 uses Sahasradhara or Thousand flows in relation with Vasha. How can a barren cow be compared with Sahasradhara used to denote ample food, milk and water.

Atharvaveda 10.190 states that Vashi means controlling power of God and is recited twice daily in Vedic Sandhya.

In other verses, Vashaa is used also as productive land or a good wife with children (Atharvaveda 20.103.15) or a medicinal herb. Monier Williams also uses the word to mean a herb in his dictionary.

We fail to understand which divine inspiration prompted these pseudo-scholars to concoct that Vashaa means a barren cow.

Allegation:

Brihadaranyak Upanishad 6.4.18 clearly states that if a couple desires a noble son, they should eat Meat with rice (Mansodanam) or Bull (Arshabh) or Calf (Uksha).

Agniveer:

1. Now that there is nothing to show in Vedas, focus of allegation has shifted to Upanishads. But even if one is able to prove beef eating in Upanishads, that still does not prove that there is beef in Vedas. And the foundation of Hinduism is that Vedas are supreme. Refer Purva Meemansa 1.3.3, Manusmriti 2.13, Manusmriti 12.95, Jabalasmriti, Bhavishya Puran etc which clearly state that if there is discrepancy between Vedas and other Shastras, then Vedas are considered supreme and the rest is rejected.

2. Having said this, we will show that the particular references from Brihadaranyak has been misinterpreted.

3. Let us take Mansodanam first. There are 4 more verses just before this verse that recommend eating particular edibles with rice for having a child with Vedic wisdom of different types. The other edibles are: Ksheerodanam (Milk with rice), Dadhyodanam (Yogurt with rice), Water with rice and Tila (a pulse) with rice for experts in other Vedas. Thus it is ONLY for mastery of Atharvaveda that Mansodanam or meat with rice is recommended. This itself shows that the particular reference is an anomaly.

4. In reality, the right word is Mashodanam and NOT Mansodanam. Masha means a kind of pulse. Hence there is nothing fleshy about it. In fact, for pregnant women, meat is completely prohibited as per Ayurveda. Refer Sushruta Samhita. There is also a verse in Sushrut Samhita that recommends Masha for husband and wife for a good son. Thus it is obvious that Brihadaranyaka has also explained the same concept as elucidated in Sushruta Samhita. There is no reason why the two texts would differ in Masha and Mansa.

5. Even if someone asserts that it is not Masha but Mansa, still Mansa means pulp and not necessarily meat. There are ample usages of Mansa as pulp in ancient texts. Thus Amramansam means pulp of mango. Khajuramansam means pulp of date. Refer Charak Samhita for such examples. Taittriya Samhita 2.32.8 uses Mansa for curd, honey and corn.

6. We have already seen that Uksha means a herb or Soma, even as per Monier Williams Dictionary. The same dictionary also lists Rishabh (from which Arshabh is derived) to mean a kind of medicinal plant (Carpopogan pruriens). Charak Samhita 1.4-13 lists Rishabh as a medicinal plant. Same is mentioned in Sushrut Samhita 38 and Bhavaprakash Purna Khanda.

7. Further both Arshabh (Rishabh) and Uksha mean bull and none means ‘calf’. So why were synonyms used to mention the same thing in the shloka from Brihadaranyak. This is like saying, one should eat either curd or yogurt! Thus, obviously the two words mean two different things. And considering that all the other verses mention herbs and pulses, these words also mean the same.

Allegation:

What about Mahabharat Vana Parva 207 that explicitly states that King Rantideva used to have Yajnas where huge number of cows used to be killed?

Agniveer:

Again, as mentioned previously, if there is dispute between Vedas and any other text, then Vedas are considered supreme. Further, Mahabharat is a grossly interpolated and adulterated text and hence not considered authority in itself.

The allegation of cow-killing at Rantideva’s palace is a fraud allegation refuted decades ago by several scholars.

1. Anushasan Parva 115 lists Rantideva as one of the kings who never consumed meat. How can that be possible if beef was amply available at his palace?

2. We have already proven that Mansa does not necessarily mean meat.

3. The particular shloka alleges that each day 2000 cows were killed. This means more than 720,000 cows were killed each year. Is it logical to take such a shloka seriously?

4. Mahabharat Shantiparva 262.47 asserts that one who kills cows or bulls is a great sinner. The same Mahabharat calls King Rantideva a great saint and pious person. How can there be such a blatant contradiction in same text?

5. In reality, the shlokas have been distorted by misled scholars like Rahul Sankrityayana who are known for their Vedas bashing. Rahul Sankrityayana deliberately quoted only 3 lines of the verse and left 1 line from Dronaparva Chapter 67 first two shlokas. He misinterpreted Dwishatsahasra to mean 2000 when it actually means 200 thousand. This itself shows his competence in Sanskrit.

None of these lines have any reference to beef. And when combined with 4th line that he deliberately missed, it means that Rantideva had 200,000 cooks in his kingdom who used to serve good food (rice, pulses, cooked food, sweets etc) day and night to guests and scholars.

Then the word ‘Masha’ from the next shloka was changed to ‘Mansa’ to imply that it talked of beef.

6. On contrary there are ample verses in Mahabharat which talk of non-violence and condemn beef eating. Further they praise charity of cows and their nurture.

7. Fools have interpreted Badhyate to mean killing. However this is not so as per any Sanskrit text on grammar or usage. Badhyate means to control.

Thus, there is no way that one can prove that King Rantideva used to have cows killed.

To conclude, all allegations of beef or meat in Vedas or Vedic texts are merely desperate attempts by perverted minds to project their own vices on the most noble texts of the world.

May the light of wisdom enlighten their minds and may we all together make the world a sensible place.

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  1. Totagoto says

    Agniveer, Excellent work brother. Sallute to you.

    I have a question? I am trying to be a vegeterian now a days. Can I eat onion ?

    • says

      Dear Brother,

      I congratulate you for your decision to be a vegetarian and help save the environment apart from being kind to other living beings and helping remove poverty and hunger from world. Onion definitely is vegetarian. However those indulged in meditation avoid onion because it is not sattvik food. That is why it is not offered as prasad also. But consumption of onion/garlic (apart from medicinal use) is left to one’s own discretion. You can test its effect on your mind control and decide yourselves.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Congratulations Totagoto bro for the resolve !

      borrowing from Sr. Bacchan’s tweet , if somebody asks you as to why you have stopped eating meat – tell them smilingly that you don’t eat things that have a face :)

      • roger says

        congrats bro totagoto. and agniveer ji is right, onion is not a satvic food. it really effect the mind, its excite the senses.

        All the best

  2. Sabita says

    TO Totagoto
    My understanding is you can eat all vegetables ,fruits ,grains and milk products .We should not consume animal and animal products.

    • Truth Seeker says

      For All Must read Difference between Veg & non-Veg
      १. रात को जागना और दिन में छिपकर रहना । १. रात को विश्राम करना और दिन में जागना ।
      २. तेजी और बेचैनी का होना । २. तेजी और बेचैनी का न होना ।
      ३. अपना भोजन बिना चबाये निगल जाते हैं । ३. अपना भोजन चबा-चबाकर खाते हैं ।
      ४. दूसरों को सताना और मारकर खाना । ४. दयाभाव और दूसरे पर कृपा करना ।
      ५. अधिक परिश्रम के समय थकावट शीघ्र होती है और अधिक थक जाते हैं, जैसे शेर, चीता, भेड़िया आदि ।
      ५. सन्तोष, सहनशीलता और परिश्रम से कार्य करना तथा अधिक थकावट से दूर रहना जैसे घोड़ा, हाथी, उंट, बैल आदि
      ६. मांसाहारी एक बार पेट भरकर खा लेते हैं और फिर एक सप्ताह वा इस से भी अधिक समय कु्छ नहीं खाते, सोये पड़े रहते हैं ।
      ६. मनुष्य दिन में अनेक बार खाता है । घास और शाक सब्जी खाने वाले प्राणी दिन भर चरते, चुगते और जुगाली करते रहते हैं ।
      ७. मांसाहारी जीवों के चलने से आहट नहीं होती । ७. अन्न और घास खाने वालों के चलने से आहट होती है ।
      ८. मांसाहारी प्राणियों को रात के अंधेरे में दिखायी देता है । ८. अन्न और घास खाने वालों को रात के अंधेरे में दिखायी नहीं देता ।
      ९. मांसाहारी जीवों की अन्तड़ियों की लम्बाई अपने शरीर की लम्बाई से केवल तीन गुणी होती है ।
      ९. फलाहारी जीवों की अन्तड़ियों की लम्बाई अपने शरीर की लम्बाई से बारह गुणी तथा घास फूस खाने वाले प्राणियों की अन्तड़ियां उनके शरीर से तीस गुनी तक होती हैं ।
      १०. चलने फिरने से शीघ्र हांफते हैं । ११. दौड़ने से भी नहीं हांफते ।
      ११. मांसाहारी प्राणियों के वीर्य में बहुत अधिक दुर्गन्ध आती है । ११. अन्न खाने वाले तथा शाकाहारी प्राणियों के वीर्य में साधारणतया अधिक दुर्गन्ध नहीं आती ।
      १२. मांसाहारी प्राणियों के बच्चों की आंखें जन्म के समय बन्द होती हैं जैसे शेर, चीते, कुत्ते, बिल्ली आदि के बच्चों की । १२. अन्न तथा शाकाहारी प्राणियों के बच्चों की आंखें जन्म के समय खुली रहती हैं जैसे मनुष्य, गाय, भेड़, बकरी आदि के बच्चों की ।
      १३. मांसाहारी जीव अधिक भूख लगने पर अपने बच्चों को भी खा जाते हैं (फिर मांसाहारी मनुष्य इस कुप्रवृति से कैसे बच सकता है ?) जैसे सर्पिणी, जो बहुत अण्डे देती है, अपने बच्चों को अण्डों से निकलते ही खा जाती है । जो बच्चे अण्डों से निकलते ही भाग दौड़ कर इधर-उधर छिप जाते हैं, उनसे सांपों का वंश चलता…

      • Truth Seeker says

        Cont………
        १३. सब्जी खाने वाले प्राणी चाहे मनुष्य हों अथवा पशु, पक्षी, भूख से तड़फ कर भले ही मर जायें किन्तु अपने बच्चों की ओर कभी भी बुरी दृष्टि से नहीं देखते । सांप के समान मांसाहारी मनुष्य आदि दुर्भिक्ष में ऐसा कर्ते देख गये हैं कि वे भूख में अपने बच्चे को भून कर खा गये ।
        १४. बिल्ली बिलाव से छिपकर बच्चे देती है और इन्हें छिपाकर रखती है । यदि बिलाव को बिल्ली के नर बच्चे मिल जायें तो उन्हें मार डालता है । मादा (स्त्री) बच्चों को छोड़ देता है, कुछ नहीं कहता । इसी प्रकार पक्षियों में तीतरी भी छिपकर अण्डे देती है । यदि नर तीतर अण्डों पर पहुंच जाये तो वह नर बच्चों के अण्डे तोड़ डालता है, मादा अंडों को रहने देता है । बिच्छू के बच्चे माता के ऊपर चढ़ जाते हैं । माता को खा कर बच्चे पल जाते हैं, माता मर जाती है ।
        ४. शाकाहारी प्राणियों में न माता बच्चों को खाती है, न पिता बच्चों को मारता है । न बच्चे माता-पिता को मार कर खाते हैं ।
        १५. मांसाहारी जीवों के घाव देरी से अच्छे होते हैं और ये अन्न वा शाक खाने वाले प्राणियों की अपेक्षा बहुत अधिक संख्या में घाव के कारण मरते हैं । १५. निरामिषभोजी शाकाहारी जीवों के घाव बहुत शीघ्र अच्छे हो जाते हैं और मांसाहारियों की अपेक्षा कम मरते हैं ।
        १६. पक्वाशय (मेदा) बहुत सरल (सादा) जो बहुत तेज भोजन को बड़ा शीघ्र पचाने के योग्य होता है । जिगर अपने शरीर के अनुपात से बहुत बड़ा और इसमें पित्त बहुत अधिक होता है । मुंह में थूक की थैलियां बहुत छोटी, स्वच्छ जिह्वा, बच्चे को दूध पिलाने के स्तन पेट में । ये आगे की ओर तथा सब ओर देखते हैं १६. पक्वाशय (मेदा) चारा खाने वाला, जिसमें बहुत हल्की खुराक को धीरे धीरे पचाने के गुण हैं । जिगर अपने शरीर की अपेक्षा बहुत छोटा होता है । जिह्वा स्वच्छ, बच्चे को दूध पिलाने के स्तन छाती पर और प्राअणी साधारणतया आगे को देखते हैं और बिना गर्दन मोड़े इधर-उधर नहीं देख सकते ।
        १७. मांसाहारी पशु पक्षिओं को नमक की तनिक भी आवश्यकता नहीं होती । इन्हें बिना नमक के कोई कष्ट नहीं होता । १७. शाकाहारी प्राणी और मनुष्य सामान्य रूप से नमक खाये बिना जीवित नहीं रह सकते वा जीवन में कठिनाई अनुभव करते हैं ।
        Source http://agniveerfans.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/meat/

      • anti-agni says

        @falsehood seeker, i have read your comment in one of any agni’s article that you were asking to Mr. agni “I am searching that if meat is not meant for human consumption then how could he eat and digest it ie why eswra not made us only veg eater”. have you got the answer?

        you have compared very well but forgot to mention that we are not animal but we are HUMAN. all aryasamajis fail to understand that we are human, you peoples either want to prove that meat eater are carnivorous animal who eat less- sleep more, have short intestine etc etc or we are herbivoros animal who eat all the time grazing-grazing whole day, cant see at night, cant use his brain, totally helpless creature?

        you must understand that we are human, we neither eat raw flesh nor we can eat raw rice, wheat, soya, rajma or especially GRASSES. we have to cook food and our body is only suitable for cooked food. we are human so we are continuously developing, our nature demands social saystem and society and for society there must be different business and industries. so we have to eat cooked food to maintain our social system. As we can eat cooked meat we can also eat cooked rice and WE CAN NEVER EAT GRASS LIKE COW——–because we cant digest cellulose if we try to eat we will not get nourishment and we will die after some days.

        So never directly compare with animals always consider yourself as human.

        society also demands that we should not eat fellow human or our own children. I have never heard that any non-vegan has ever eaten his own child. exceptions may be there but it is not from the “rarest of rare” either. almost 80-90% human of this earth eat meat can you tell me how many cases you have heard regarding human ‘eating his own baby because of hunger’?

        • Darshan says

          पारसी लोग अपने शवों को गीधों के खाने के लिए छोड़ देते हैं | आपके अनुसार तो शवों को खा लेने में कोई हर्ज़ नहीं होना चाहिये | वैसे भी आघोरी मरघटों में मुदों का मॉस भक्षण करते हैं | मांसाहार एक तरह की हिंसा ही है और मांसभक्षी हिंसक कहलाता है | आपके दांत हिंसक पशुओं की तरह नहीं है | हर तरह का पापाचार हिंसा में आ जाता है | जब हमारा निर्वाह सब्जी, फल, अनाज और दूध आदि से हो जाता है तो हिंसा आवश्यक नहीं है | मुसलमान भी कलमा पढ़ परमात्मा से माफ़ी मांग हुये निरीह प्राणियों की हिंसा करते हैं | अरबी रेगिस्तानों में सब्जी, फल और अनाज की कमी के रहते वहां जन्मे मतों में मांस खाना एक प्रथा बन गया है और इंसानों को काटने – हत्या करने में भी उनको गुरेज़ नहीं होता | मुर्दे को दफ़न करना भी मध्य – पूर्व का रिवाज है, क्यूंकि दिन कि प्रबल गर्मी और रात कि तीव्र सर्दी मुदों को स्तर्लायिज़ अर्थात कीटाणु – रहित कर शुद्ध कर देती है | मरुस्थलों के बाहरी देशों में शवों में कीड़े पड़ जाते हैं और बीमारियाँ फैलती हैं | इतना ही नहीं, बीमारियों के कीटाणु जमीनी पानी में चले जाते हैं और वहां का पानी भी पीने लायक नहीं रहता | शव के धाह संस्कार से शव के साथ – साथ शारीर में पनपे कीटाणु भी आग में भस्म हो जाते हैं |
          पहले इस्सायी देशों में शव का दाह संस्कार किया जाता था और इतिहास बताता है कि कुछ मुसलमानों का भी दाह संस्कार किया गया | वैसे भारत के पूर्व – उपप्रधान हिदाय्यत उल्लाह की हिदायत के अनुसार उनका भी दाह – संस्कार किया गया था | इस मृत्युलोक – अनित्य संसार में कुछ भी नित्य और तटस्थ नहीं है इस लिये जन्म – मरण का सिलसला तो चलता ही रहता है | मध्य – पूर्व के सिमैटिक मतों में मिथ्या प्रचार कर दिया गया कि परमात्मा क़यामत के दिन पुण्य आत्माओं अर्थात अच्छे लोगो को फिर जीवित कर देगा जबकि मृत्यु का दिन ही क़यामत का दिन होता है | ईश्वर से जुड़ना योग है और उसका पहला नियम ही अहिंसा है | अगर आप तर्क छोड़ कुतर्क करते रहेंगे तो आप कुछ भी प्राप्त नहीं कर पायोगे |

          • anti-agni says

            @darshan, afsos h ki logic aur science ki baat karne wale aryasamaji moolshabkar ki kitab satyarthprakash par andha vishwas karte hn?

            Maine kb insaano k khane ki baat ki? Tum lig aise ho ki ya to shaadi mat karo ya phir apni maan beti se bhi karo. tum log eik extreme par rehna chahte ho.

            satyarthprksh mein agar likha h ki murdon k dafnane se paani pine layaq nahi rehta to tm maan jaoge? Har shehar mein qabrustan h to batao kus city ka water peene layaq nahi? Har Muslim country mein qabrustan hn kiya suna ki paani kharab ho gaya?????

            Kiya cow, goat waghera agar mar jaye to unhe bhi jalate ho? Ya paani kharab ho gaya h? Aadmi paani k level par to jakar nahi dafnata.

            tumhein konsa pathogen check karna h mujhe batao mein procedure bataunga. qabrustan wale shehar se ground water lo aur kisi bhi laboratory mein bhejdo result aajayega.

            ab koi aryasamaj tumhari baat ghalat nahi kahega, na hi tumhein ghalat tark dene aur satyapraksh par andhvishwas karne par tokega!

          • Slave of holy Prophet (SAW) says

            @anti-agn
            Brother, these grass eater Hindu do not know test of meat. So, it is useless to make them understand test of meat.

          • says

            All these are ( oot patang kee baaten hai) Don’t be against any religion Search the truth God is one and we should follow the instruction of which are available in the religious books. Vedas are vast knowledge for all human being not specially for INDIANS. As per your attitude Vedas are only for those who belong to India (ARYVERAT) . Hindu is not any religion only Ary samaj is original religion of India (Aryverat)

          • Darshan Sharma says

            अगर स्वामी शंकराचार्य सारे भारत में सनातन धर्म कि क्रांति ल सकता है तो फिर कोई वैदिक सनातन धर्मं का प्रचार क्यूँ केरल, बंगाल, असाम और अन्य प्रान्तों में कर सकता है

  3. says

    Dear Agniveer,

    A great Rebuttul by you against those evangelists. Take my greetings from the core of my heart.

    You are doing a great job. Your website has helped me to fight against Islamic Jehadies and Christian Evangelists in face to face or in internet forum.

    But the problem is there is no Arya Samaj translation of Vedas in English over internet. Hindu sites are loading Grifith trash. I have to buy from http://www.vedicbooks.com. But it is difficult for me to collect in from Bangladesh. Can Agniveer publish ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE VEDAS for non Hindi readers?

    • says

      Thats a project we want to undertake sincerely. But it would take significant time and resources as it has to be done from scratch. There are 20,000 mantras. We will have to employ at least 10 competent scholars for 6 months full time to realize this project. Should cost around USD 50,000 at least if undertaken professionally.

    • Atman says

      @ Bangladeshi Hindu
      Translating Ved into english is indeed a very herculian task!! because its not just about translating the Verses once, you also have to provide the multiple interpretations of the same verse and explain How it holds its meaning in the physical world awa spiritual or Philosophical world.
      Brother i would advice you to go through the “Learn Sanskrit” articles by Brother Agniveer, m sure they will be of great help. You can learn Sanskrit and then begin reading Ved and try to interpret learn in your own way, see how are you able to connect your SELF with the Verses of Ved, with Parmatma. You can also download those articles and read them whenever u r free.

      Take Care Brother.

  4. Vik says

    Another masterpiece, thanks alot to the Agniveer Admin Team once again!

    To all my brothers and sisters:

    Please join me and propagate these good articles all around you either using facebook, twitter, or youtube. Agniveer Team has worked extremely hard with great effort to write and publish these masterpieces, now it is our job as true Indians and Vedic Dharma followers to spread these articles all over the world at the speed of light if possible. We have already done a good job in propagation, but we can always make it better and better as there is no limit to success.

    Dhanyavad

  5. Naveen says

    Excellent article,
    I have became vegetarian in days, after going thru the various articles here.
    Thanks Agniveer Team.

  6. smital says

    great piece of work….now that agniveer ji has pointed out all the points lets see what other verses they have in order to forcely fit meat eating in vedas.nlets see if dr. zakir nayak has got any allegations left for it or not…..he will be left with no words ha ha……. amazing work.. agniveer ji….

  7. Harsh Vora says

    Agniveer — The options for ‘Print’ and ‘PDF’ view do not seem to work. Can you please fix this so I can save a PDF copy of this article for future reference? Dhanyawaad!

  8. ashwani says

    one more undoubtly great article, agniveerji can u plz refer somethin in shiviasm that prohibts this….

  9. Rushmore says

    Agniveer,

    While the translation of the entire body of Vedas to English will take a while, can we atleast translate some of the the most misinterpreted translations that are making rounds, at the earliest? For example the Griffifth version uses a bunch of verses in translations in Latin and asininity is quoted elsewhere as a reason. But you gave the right meanings in English. All we need to do is pick up the Mandala/Sukta/Hymn numbers from our “friendly” websites and have those translated. The instance I gave is frm Rig Veda 10/61/5 – 7. And you know what I am talking about.

  10. sanatanseeker says

    very good explanation Agniveer ji…it is really helpful in clearing the misconceptions of people.

    Can you please tell me where to ask a question, because I can not find place on website where I can ask a question.

  11. truth seeker says

    Namaste Agniveer Ji,

    Indeed Very Good article, I have also taken printouts of your article which are in Hindi & distributed. This is in English but I have taken print out now I will translate it in Hindi because people around me are not well versed in English.
    And one thing more I would like to say it my fortune to come in contact in this great people, great website & got a chance to know about Veda.

  12. truth seeker says

    Namaste Agniveer Ji,

    One thing I would like to say that I have seen the people around me who are spending Lacs of rupees for katha’s like Bhagawat katha, Ram katha if so much money we would have spend for spreading Vedic Gyan than we would have found a great change in our society. But these things are happening due to ignorance, there is not fault of these people. But we can only efforts to understand the people & efforts are carry on I am also doing my best at my level.

    • Darshan Sharma says

      आपके सन्देश से मुझे प्रेरणा मिली | अनुग्रह स्वीकार करें | अविद्या अर्थात इग्नोरेंस ही सब दुखों का कारण है | दुखों की अत्यंत निवृति ही मोक्ष है जो इस जीवन में अभ्युदय के लिये हमें संसारिक कर्मों में हमें मुक्त रखता हैं और अपने, पारिवारिक और रिश्ते – नातों के बंधों से ऊपर उठता है | संस्कारों, संस्कृति और संस्कृत की रक्षा के लिये हमें आगे आना पड़ेगा, मोहल्ले -मोहल्ले और गाँव – गाँव स्कूलों और कालेजों में वेद वाणी के प्रचार के लिये छोटे हवन, भजनों, प्रवचनों और शास्त्रार्थ के माध्यम से वेद धर्म का प्रचार करना पड़ेगा |

  13. says

    nice …..but the worst enemy of a Hindu is a hindu himself.there r many distorted Hindus who eat beef .

    They don’t budge upon explaining to them as well.The best example is Hindus frm kerala.Many of them eat beef in kerala.The fact is they don’t know ,I guess or they know it but donot give a damn.
    Shame on our kerala dumb idiots. Kerala is made up of 57% hindus,27 odd Muslims and 21% Christians..and others.All thre major communities eat beef.Wonder how many cows get slaughtered in dirty Kosher or halaal style.Save except few Brahmins and some well aware Hindus.
    A lot of muslims eat pork but maintain secrecy but i have seen Hindu women coming in TV shows with names like lakshmi Nair and the dish getting coocked is beef curry Wat da heck.Shame on kerala.The one state going to dogs is Kerala.kerala is going to fall into the list of damned states like Kashmir and Nagaland.I am ashamed of calling them followers of Sanatan Dharma.Culture can be diverse but wat da hell is this distortion completely going against claim of Dharma.Shame on myself to have them in our Dharma.Best is to convert to some rice bag offering Christianity or terror manual quran worship…..I am not a Hindu fanatic but this emotional out burst is for the article I read rit now.At the end of the day its their personal choice.

    • says

      Namaste Brother dharma_thug

      Agree with you completely. Hindus have to come out of the mentality of accepting everything in the name of diversity. Philosophical and intellectual differences are indeed the strength of any belief system but when people start violating basic principles like non violence and truth in the name of freedom, they should be opposed with full might.

      Fake translations of Vedas by Sayana and Mahidhar along with the Puranas (written by perverts in the name of Rishi Vyas) have caused great damage to our Vedic Dharma. People should be educated equally about these fake translations and books in the name of Hinduism as Islam and Christianity.

      • says

        True bro,but really there is nothing we can do I guess.Sri Krishna promised tat whenever there is an increase in irreligious practices or non righteous practices,he will come again.
        I guess we have to wait for him.

    • milk is veg and cow is tree says

      @dharm, i really want that peoples in india should not eat cow and i always request muslims of india that please stop cow meat because of hindus sentiments. today i also request to every muslim that please stop cow meat eating in idia, i also request to the hindus of kashmir, kerala, west bengal, bihar, nagaland and urisa that plaese stop eating ur mother. i also request to all hindus that plaese make cow dairies in every city so that we can have pure milk otherwise we are getting milk prepared from urea. you can see in european countries there is no scarcity of cow milk but in our country where cow is sacred it is mother of hindus even then pure milk of cow is not easily available?

      • says

        Namaste MIVCIT

        It looks nice for that at least your name’s abbreviation resembles the name of some private Engg. college situated in the outskirts of Delhi and Mumbai :)

        But unfortunately your arguments do not rise up from Madarsa level :( Though I appreciate your concerns for Hindu sentiments, I cant stop myself from asking a question on your below line

        ———i also request to all hindus that plaese make cow dairies in every city so that we can have pure milk otherwise we are getting milk prepared from urea.——–

        When you agree that scarcity of milk is because of decreasing no of cows, how wise it was on Allah’s/prophet’s part to allow such useful animals like cows, buffaloes, and camels to be slaughtered and consumed?

        • says

          Cow milk is next to human milk for the survival of a child. Its fat granules are smaller and do not import bad cholestrol and suitable for human consumption for all ages. Cow’s ghee never solidifies like buffalo ghee, vegetable ghee & coconut oil. Just shake the milk of cow the creamy layer (Malai) dissolve in the milk.

      • Satyen says

        Namaste MIVCIT,

        Please don’t give an impression that many Hindus in many of the states of India consume beef.
        How many Biharis have you come across consuming beef? Though there may be exceptions, they will definitely Christians with Hindu names. Moreover, Nagaland has above 90% Christians with less than 5% Hindus (total population is less than a million!). So, a minisculy small number of Hindus consume beef in these two states. Slightly more Hindus consume beef in Bengal. Only states of Kerala and Kashmir (to the best of my knowledge) can be considered to have a sligjtly higher percentage who consume beef. So, correct your information.

        • anti-agni says

          @satyen, your name is satya and you should use stya information…you should visit kerala, karnataka, WB, and bihar once and then let us know that what is reality. as far as my knowledge is concerned most of the hindus of those states are non-vegetarian. for your kind information I have visited karnataka, bihar, kerala, tamil nadu and I have many friends from WB.

          you check yourself instead hollow claiming here.

          • Sanatan Dharma says

            @anti-agni
            Brother, we should not engage in other things like trashing Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism etc.. Our first priority should be to destroy Islam. Islam is totally false. If you do not know this, I will prove you this.

    • Amitesh says

      Arup,

      Even chickens and goats can’t survive in areas where vegetables can’t be grown due to climatic conditions. They are imported and the same can be done with vegetables

  14. says

    Muslims can eat pork because its only a warning by Prophet Mohammad that its unclean.
    But remember Sanatan Dharma followers….when in our ancient times ,women used to die due to child birth,our children only survived on the milk of a cow.
    Killing it and eating it is the worst thing to do.
    We consider cow as a mother.
    We donot eat mothers ..do we?
    If u r fond of eating meat go ahead and eat other meat(its not a reccomendation) but leave the cow alone.
    There r so many women in the world to have sex…leave our mother alone.
    Same way so many animals to eat ,leave our cow alone.

    • says

      Cow milk is next to human milk for the survival of a child. Cow milk fat granules are smaller and do not import bad cholestrol and suitable for human beings of all ages. Cow’s ghee never solidifies like buffalo ghee, vegetable ghee & coconut oil. Just shake the milk of cow the creamy layer (Malai) dissole in the milk.

  15. Dipankar says

    Any food eaten to man,but whose coocking is imprtant.food was not affected in awareness people because his mentally power was strong. But another people are doing,it was mentally power week and get mind disturbed.any food are same but digestive powers are differnt. all peoples really have nonviolance? Nothing only few peoples are nonviolance, lord mahaveer,lord buddha,aadi shankaracharya,mahatma gandhi.Nonviolance is a deeper state of aatman . Who knows that aatman it was not preasure of nonviolance because his attitude was nonviolance.any nonviolance peoples not presurized to another violance people. He changed its own inner violance. The nonviolanced peoples are very powerful.

    • says

      Namaste Totagoto

      Indra- O glorious warrior!
      Te- Your
      Aghasya- destroyer of evil
      Chetya- power
      Kahrrisvit- when
      Asat- will appear
      Yat- with which you
      Rakshah- monsters
      Bhinadah- kill
      Mitrkruvo- those who are cruel to our dear ones
      Eshat- cast terror in them
      Yat- so that
      Shasne- in the battlefield
      Na- just like
      Aaryak- after death
      Gaavah- animals
      Prathivyah- on the field
      Shayante- lay or sleep

      O glorious soldier! Where is your valor with which you kill the devils and cast terror in the herats of wrong doer cruel criminals and due to which they will be lying dead just like animals lay on ground while sleeping.

      • Aditya says

        Respected Vajra!
        I have read all the articles in agniveer and i foud out that you are actively participating in the comment section.I have a doubt and I hope you will be able to clarify it.
        Agniveerji Said
        “The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna. Dedicated efforts for training and productivity of people is also Naramedha Yajna or Purushmedha Yajna or Nriyajna.”
        Does this mean the last rites done to a man is Narameda.ie.The 13 day long rites which include charity to Brahmins , food to poor…In that case Narameda is still practised?
        please reply
        Thanks

  16. milk is veg and cow is tree says

    @satyaasman, no body will answer you, they think milk is veg and so they are vegan if they drink milk? they dont eat egg because it has hidden potential, but conveniently forgot the hidden potential of seeds of vegetables. they have no problem in eating bacteria present in curd, they have no problem in killing bacteria present in milk when they boil milk. they have problem in eating dead animals because it may feel pain? they do not use veda in food but they use science. if you will prove one day that plant feel pain and bacteria also, then may be they give up eating plant and milk. they follow einstein the scientist of every time who said that if u want to save earth then stop eating meat.

    • says

      Cow milk is next to human milk for the survival of a child. Its fat granules are smaller and do not import bad cholestrol and suitable for human consumption for all ages. Cow’s ghee never solidifies like buffalo ghee, vegetable ghee & coconut oil. Just shake the milk of cow the creamy layer (Malai) dissolve in the milk. Western countries have cow dairies for milk and milk products.

    • Aditya says

      According to Vedas,you should never kill an animal to eat it.This is because it causes pain.
      Now we don’t kill a cow to get its milk.And moreover Bacterias do not have developed nervous system to feel pain.The reason vedas condemn even eating dead animals is because meat is addictive.Once you taste it you would like to try to eat it once again,so in this process,you intentionall cause pain to animals to satisfy your taste buds.And moreover plants actually feel pain.But they are countered by the naturally produced painkillers by the plants.
      Read this article
      http://www.livescience.com/5102-plants-painkillers.html

      And you might ask,why don’t we sedate an animal and then kill it.As I said you,it will become addictive.No man is addicted to vegetarian diet.
      I hope your doubts are cleared.If not post your queries and I will try my best to help you.

  17. Darshan Dyal Sharma says

    Gou also means Gati (Gayatari) and hence the word ‘Go’ in English. Regarding Vaaj‘Vajinam’ means a brave/strong/ dynamic/ fast entity and horse also known Vaajinam, with all respect and appreciation for Agniveerji,I may dare to add the scientists have acquired the word Horse Power and 100CC Vehical means to having One Horse Power.
    Jaanbaj in Arabic, persian and Urdu means one would be ready to sacrifice his life for the cause or task in one’s hand explaining the word vaaj and name of Eagle as Baj.

  18. says

    Because the gestation period of cows is almost exactly the same as for humans, their flesh is vibrationally equivalent to human flesh. Therefore, eating any Bos species, e.g.
    B Indicus or B. Taurus, has the same vibrational effect and karmic consequences
    as cannibalism!!!

    No better reason for avoiding beef !!

  19. Raj says

    Rigveda 10.28.3 ,Rigveda 10.86.18 ,Rigveda 10.27.2 Clearly justify the killing of beef.
    Mahabaratha – Shanti Parva -36:22-26 also justify eating meat.
    Manusmrithi 5.18.5.22,5.23,5.42 etc also justify beef eating.
    In Aithareya Brahmana Chapter 31.1 you can see the same.
    In Ramayana you can see it in many chapters.
    Can anybody explain how can we hindus say there is no beef in Vedas and other scriptures? Our great personalities are meat eaters and why can’t we follow them?

    • Pandit Ji says

      @Raj
      In the Rigveda mantra 10/27/2 it is stated that:-

      Oh! God bless me so that I may be able to punish the person who is engaged in crimes like rape, Sex slavery, looting, child-abusing, etc.

      And like a fatal/violent bull who becomes the destroyer of everything that comes before him, I may also be able to destroy all the sins i.e., just like as a fatal bull destroys everything, I, by worship, may destroy all the sins and attain enlightenment.

  20. anti-agni says

    @falsehood seeker, i have read your comment in one of any agni’s article that you were asking to Mr. agni “I am searching that if meat is not meant for human consumption then how could he eat and digest it ie why eswra not made us only veg eater”. have you got the answer?

    you have compared very well but forgot to mention that we are not animal but we are HUMAN. all aryasamajis fail to understand that we are human, you peoples either want to prove that meat eater are carnivorous animal who eat less- sleep more, have short intestine etc etc or we are herbivoros animal who eat all the time grazing-grazing whole day, cant see at night, cant use his brain, totally helpless creature?

    you must understand that we are human, we neither eat raw flesh nor we can eat raw rice, wheat, soya, rajma or especially GRASSES. we have to cook food and our body is only suitable for cooked food. we are human so we are continuously developing, our nature demands social saystem and society and for society there must be different business and industries. so we have to eat cooked food to maintain our social system. As we can eat cooked meat we can also eat cooked rice and WE CAN NEVER EAT GRASS LIKE COW——–because we cant digest cellulose if we try to eat we will not get nourishment and we will die after some days.

    So never directly compare with animals always consider yourself as human.

    society also demands that we should not eat fellow human or our own children. I have never heard that any non-vegan has ever eaten his own child. exceptions may be there but it is not from the “rarest of rare” either. almost 80-90% human of this earth eat meat can you tell me how many cases you have heard regarding human ‘eating his own baby because of hunger’? ok

  21. krishna says

    I have a question for agniveer. vedas is holy and was handed by divine is all fine but why is that only we the people from India only recieved it from the almighty,if the vedas were intended to guide our human life why only we got the chance to have it and not other countries ,is it because only we indians were blessed enough to get the vedas .i want to know the underlying fact about why only we treasured it .

    • ganesh says

      vedas got to 4 humans at start of human civilization who were ancestors of whole world ..So it is common to all….Then after that ,people started to migrate to other regions of world and forgot vedas ..India is the only country which is still having tradition to teach it verbally..So vedas are still saved by our country..But whatever u see material prosperity everywhere in world is only due to vedas..Only spiritual knowledge is lacking in the world today ..

    • aditya says

      You can’t say WE Indians are blessed. It is all Karma .Just that if you are born in India , you are having more opportunities to know about the vedas. There are even extreme cases like foreigners learning the vedas And Indian Brahamins Knowing nothing about Vedas
      P.S I am a Brahamin and it is COMPULSORY for brahamins to spread the Vedas.

  22. vijnasu says

    Atharvaveda 10.190 states that Vashi means controlling power of God and is recited twice daily in Vedic Sandhya.
    I suspect some typo in this statement. Not getting reference to Atharvaveda 10.190? Can I get the proper verse?

    • Vijnasu says

      Got it, Please correct the typo: its not in Atharva , its in Rigveda.
      RV_10,190.01a ṛtaṃ ca satyaṃ cābhīddhāt tapaso ‘dhy ajāyata |
      RV_10,190.01c tato rātry ajāyata tataḥ samudro arṇavaḥ ||
      RV_10,190.02a samudrād arṇavād adhi saṃvatsaro ajāyata |
      RV_10,190.02c ahorātrāṇi vidadhad viśvasya miṣato vaśī ||
      RV_10,190.03a sūryācandramasau dhātā yathāpūrvam akalpayat |
      RV_10,190.03c divaṃ ca pṛthivīṃ cāntarikṣam atho svaḥ ||

      • Vijnasu says

        One more typo: (AVŚ_20,130.15) vaśāyāḥ putram ā yanti || has been given as Atharvaveda 20.103.15, correct it.

  23. kaustubh says

    Horse sacrifice was part of ancient persian traditions , excavations in persian and central asia show horse bones . It must not have been tradition of India.

  24. G.N.KRISHNASWAMY says

    Never , never , & never in the OUR Vedhas beef is recommended ; it is falsely , misquoted by the ill born MINORITIES deliberately , only to defame OUR OWN Sanathan Dharma/Hinduism ! It is highly appreciated that such elaborate postings with FIRM PROTESTING MIND is posted in public with excellent infos authoritatively ! It was the ill born Muslim womaniser , syphilis Nehru alone who protested against the Cow slaughter bill from being produced in the then Parliament by OUR HONEST , rightly born , elders with genuine Bharathian gene – of the yesteryear ; The SOW Nehru threatened them all with dire consequences , if they brought the bill to the Parliament !

  25. ASLAM says

    sanjeev did u ever seen women fighting, they never agree they are wrong, just like biochemical reaction u mentioned up there, i think u should learn first Sanskrit, and then vedas, mahabharat, ramayan .

  26. VAMSHI says

    namaskar ji.I have a small question.In RUDRA PRASHNA it was said like so——”ARAATTE GOGHNA UTA PURUSHAGHNA KSHAYADVEERA——–and so” .Would you please explain the correct meaning of this line and prove that this is against GOVADHA?

  27. Samrat Chakraborty says

    Agniveer, I am Big Fan of Yours & I appreciate your effort in preaching the message of Vedas & continuing the Work of Swami Dayananda.

    However on this topic, I find you working too hard dissecting grammar proving Cow eating is not in Vedas.

    On all other Topics (I receive your newsletters) , you are just fantastic. I checked the site Islam Hinduism, and they miserably fail in most of the topics where you have debunked the reality of Islam in a very effective way.

    But for this Beef Eating, A person who wants to read the verses in other way, or the way they are, Its very clear that Beef eating is in Vedas. I am from a Family who are Shakti Worshippers and believe in Advaita philosophy.
    Purity obsession with Food is completely removed. I am still a proud Hindu and and Worship Deity i.e. Kali and Read Shankaracharya.

    This Topic is debatable & we are weak in argument. You may enlighten more on this subject.

    Best of Luck for your works. Just assimilate every one, work on Rural Level and Let people convert even if they eat meat (Pig, Beef, Fowl etc.) , Only for this obsession of Food many people left Hindu Fold & became Muslim ~ as during Riots and wars Muslims used to force Hindus eat Cow meat after which Hindu was not accepted back into the society. Therefore People had no option and convert to islam.

    Dont do the mistakes which our ancestors made, neither a Ghori should be forgiven as Prithviraj Chauhan did.
    If You want to Unleash the Legend at a National Level, take view of regional well wishers.

    Thanks

    • says

      Thanks brother for your kind words. We would like to reemphasize that Agniveer does not expect everyone to agree with it completely or partially. On contrary, we simply attempt to trigger the process of self-discovery within.

      On matter of beef and Vedas, our study proves without doubt that there is no notion of beef in Vedas. If someone attempts to interpret verses other ways, then there are contradictions with other verses that clearly speak of protection of cows (and animals in general).

      Nonetheless, we are not dogmatic about judging or outcasting people based on food habits and social behavior. These are matters of knowledge and ignorance and must be dealt accordingly. So coming to opening gates of Vedas, we make no preconditions. Because it is a matter between God and individual. We simply offer our best knowledge and leave the rest to individual. We may continue to differ, and even canvass for implementation of certain Vedic ideals in society, but no way would we call of ostracization of those who differ. Of course, that also doesn’t mean that we soft-pedal with those with malicious intent – who are far and few.

      For Agniveer, cow slaughter is equivalent to sabotaging a factory of utilities, and we echo sentiments of all cow protectors. We stand for total ban on cow slaughter. Nonetheless, we would not hate people simply because they eat beef out of ignorance. For example, people in west eat beef because they are ignorant.That does not mean we start hating them. However, we can definitely make India an example of cow protectors. Refer our article http://agniveer.com/why-i-dont-eat-meat/ for more on our stand.

      Thanks

      • Bhavesh Merja says

        Swami Vivekananda’s thoughts on Flesh-food and Mahatma Gandhi’s comments:

        [Once a gentleman, after reading Swami Vivekananda’s thoughts supporting meat-eating, referred his dilemma to Mahatma Gandhi. Gandhiji offered his valuable guidance on this issue which was published in the 7-10-1926 issue of “Young India”. Same is reproduced below for the knowledge of our readers. It is interesting to note that here Mahatma Gandhi remembered Adi Shankaracharya and Maharshi Dayananda as the greatest Hindu reformers who were vegetarians. – Bhavesh Merja]

        Quote:
        A correspondent is born in a meat-eating family. He has successfully resisted the pressure from his parents to return to the flesh-pot. But, he says, in a book I have before me: I read the opinion of Swami Vivekananda on the subject and feel a good deal shaken in my belief. The Swami holds that for Indians in their present state flesh-diet is a necessity and he advises his friends to eat flesh freely. He even goes so far as to say –“If you incur any sin thereby throw it upon me; I will bear it.” I am now in a fix whether to eat flesh or not.

        This blind worship of authority is a sign of weakness of mind. If the correspondent has such a deep-seated conviction that flesh-eating is not right, why should he be moved by the opinion to the contrary of the whole world? One needs to be slow to form convictions, but once formed they must be defended against the heaviest odds. As for the opinion of the great Swami, I have not seen the actual writing but I fear the correspondent has correctly quoted him. My opinion is well known. I do not regard flesh-food as necessary for us at any stage and under any clime in which it is possible for human beings ordinarily to live. I hold flesh-food to be unsuited to our species. We err in copying the lower animal world if we are superior to it. Experience teaches that animal food is unsuited to those who would curb their passions. But it is wrong to over-estimate the importance of food in the formation of character or in subjugating the flesh. Diet is a powerful factor not to be neglected. But to sum up all religion in terms of diet, as is often done in India, is as wrong as it is to disregard all restraint in regard to diet and to give full reins to one’s appetite. Vegetarianism is one of the priceless gifts of Hinduism. It may not be lightly given up. It is necessary therefore to correct the error that vegetarianism has made us weak in mind or body or passive or inert in action. The greatest Hindu reformers have been the activest in their generation and they have invariably been vegetarians. Who could show greater activity than, say, Sankara or Dayanand in their times? But my correspondent must not accept me as his authority. The choice of one’s diet is not a thing to be based on faith. It is a matter for everyone to reason out for himself. There has grown up especially in the West an amount of literature on vegetarianism which any seeker after truth may study with profit. Many eminent medical men have contributed to this literature. Here, in India, we have not needed any encouragement for vegetarianism. For it has been hitherto accepted as the most desirable and the most respectable thing. Those, however, who like the correspondent feel shaken, may study the growing movement towards vegetarianism in the West.

      • Samrat Chakraborty says

        Ok, Thanks for the detailed reply.

        Vedas reccomend Cow slaughter or not may be debatable, But ancient texts like charakasamhita &
        Sushruta Samhita mention about meat consumption & cattle meat also. Someplaces its reccomended for body.

        I understand that Milking Cow is a very good economic & nutritional blessing for a Family + it has religious & ethical basis also, But what about Male bulls & oxes. Traditional Farming is not done now & Male Cattle will only lead to overgrazing. Same is the case with barren cows who cannot give milk, what is their usage for ?

        World is overpopulated & India is too much overpopulated. Increase in numbers of cattle like Male Ox/ Bulls & Barren Cows will lead to overgrazing & make land desert.

        Making Cow Holy & treating it as 4 legged Humans may create problems. Although Vaishnavas are very passionate about cows but nobody mentions about Bulls. Is Bull less Holy ?

        Also I am in US for few months & cow here looks very different from India (its Kind of Bison).

        So is it also Holy ?
        ———————————————————————————————-
        So my Queries are

        1. Whats the solution due to overgrazing of non milk cattle ? If someone eats Meat & if you consider it sin, is it a same sin to eat a Goat & an Ox/ Bull?

        2. Indian Breed of Cow is very different from Western Breed. Are both equally important from Religious point of view ?

        3. Is it ok to let people starve to death but keep unusable cattle grazing freely.

        if my friend from ISKCON sees this post he will kill me. Ha Ha

        But I had this questions in mind so I asked freely.
        Help Agniveer

        • Darshan Sharma says

          Q 1. ‘Whats the solution due to overgrazing of non milk cattle ?’ Quewstion is not clear. If it is about old and infirm cattles then they too have right to live. Neel gayen can be sterilized to check their population and harm caused to crops. It a same sin to eat a Goat, an Ox/ Bull?
          Eating Meat of any type or involvement of any type in process of meat eating is also a sin.

          2. Whether Indian or Western Breed of Cow both are equally important from Religious point of view ?

          3. It is it okay to let people starve to death? This is a sin perpetuated by our pseudo-democratic capitalist system and self-serving politicians. Grazing by stray cattle must be checked. Forsaken elders also die of starvation on roads as well as at home due to negligence by own near and dear ones.
          if my friend from ISKCON sees this post he will kill me. Ha Ha
          Don’t laugh without reason since by doing so you are mocking at yourself only – there have been massacres of innocent, week, unorganised and unprotected people by invaders and by so called self-styled jihadees throughout history and it continues even today.
          But I had this questions in mind so I asked freely.
          Help Agniveer

        • says

          @ Samrat bro almost everything has been clarified by Darshan bro.
          Also Vedas are the only supreme authority for us, so we need to deny if something does not match to any sacred text.Vedas are only authentic and govern us.
          Please let the discovery of your soul begin and you will realise that these are not our natural food. I am also a Bengali like you but I can bet that our fooding habit has been governed by the invaders.Hindus have a great tendency to be flexible with their religion
          Remember that even Ramkrishna Paramhans was a Kali worshipper like you but even in his ashram it was not allowed.
          Ending my post by quoting Swami Vivekananda,” Arise, Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.”

  28. Samrat Chakaborty says

    Agniveer, where is my reply to Darshan Sharma.

    You are acting in a biased manner against Proud Hindus who are Non Vegetarians.

    Thats not done

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