Let us now critically examine the claim of Prophet in Vedas. You can read the original article at http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=201&Itemid=131

Let me declare at outset that Vedas contain no history or geography whatsoever and contain description of fundamental principles governing life and universe in a variety of manner. There are indeed names of several historical persons in Vedas. But that does not mean that Vedas prophesise those people. It only means that those words were popular and people chose to adopt these names. If we find mention of word “Krishna” in Mahabharat or Vedas, it does not mean, they prophesise about Lal Krishna Advani! By that logic, Bible prophesises about all people born with name George and Islamic texts about people named Muhammad, Ali etc!

I shall not dwell into the concept of Vedas being beyond prophecies, history and geography in this analysis. On contrary, we shall prove that even if we assume Vedas to contain prophecies, that can no way be associated with Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), unless IRF believes that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a mass murderer and protector of cows, as we shall see later. And if indeed they believe so, let them issue a world-wide fatwa to start donating cows, stop eating beef and admitting that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) killed the entire population of Mecca! Just as they would be issuing a fatwa that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a ghost/demon incarnate in name of Tripurasur (as per Bhavishya Puran). Going further, they should also then accept the theory of rebirth!

In brief, any attempt to prove Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in Hindu Scriptures is nothing but an insult to both the great legacy of peaceful Prophet as well as a crooked attempt to malign Hinduism. Only an enemy of both Hinduism and Islam can perpetrate such a crime. So all Hindus and Muslims should unitedly thwart such attempts to malign their religions baselessly.

I shall quote the text published at IRF website as “IRF:” and the analysis of the same as “Analysis:”
The actual meanings of the mantras will be quotes as “Actual:”

1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised in Atharvaveda

IRF:
In the 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas (chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukta. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.

Analysis:
1. By this logic, all books of spiritualism and self-help and their content would mean Islam! Because Peace and removal of misery are the primary goals of any spiritual text on self-help book.

2. Considering that Vedas came way before Muhammad founded Islam, this only means that whatever peaceful or good was brought by Muhammad in Islam was actually already a part of Vedic traditions. And that the word Islam was already existing way before Muhammad adapted it to name his cult.

It is welcoming that Muslims are now acknowledging that they owe their peacefulness to Vedas. I hope they would take this journey of seeking truth even further and completely embrace the Vedas to reach their original roots.

IRF:
Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Makkah is called the Ummul Qur’a the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth. In many revealed books it was the first house of Divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Qur’an says in Surah Ali-Imran chapter 3, verse 96:

“The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakkah (Makkah) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings”. Thus Kuntap stands for Makkah or Bakkah.

Analysis:
1. Which dictionary states that Kuntaap means hidden glands in the abdomen?

2. Further, even if it means so, as researched by Dr Naik, how does it link with navel? In abdomen, all other organs are hidden inside – liver, stomach, intestine etc. It is only the navel which is not hidden!

3. The third line of IRF quote obviously refers to Islamic belief of earth being flat, and Muhammad being born in centre of the earth! But as per Vedas and modern science, earth is almost spherical and hence all points on it can be considered middle point.

4. Had Mecca (Makkah) been on Equator, perhaps some credibility could have been attached to IRF claims. But as per modern science, in a non-flat world, Mecca lies at 21-29 N. It is not even on Tropic of Cancer!

(The importance given to Mecca in Islam is because of historical reasons dating prior to advent of Islam. As per some historical researches, there was a Hindu temple in Mecca. The story of Mecca being navel of earth seems to indicate that there was a grand statute of reclining Vishnu there with Brahma coming to from his navel, as indicated by certain researches. This is a popular Hindu image and may have led to story of Mecca being navel of earth, in dark ages. Even Prophet Muhammad had great reverence for the Vedic tradition and hence made worship of Mecca temple an important component of his religion.)

But no way, can Kuntaap be implied to mean Mecca!

5. The logic of IRF is fabulous:

Kuntaapa = abdominal glands = navel = center = center of the earth = Mecca
hence, Kuntaapa = Mecca

Let’s use IRF logic on Islam itself and see where it leads us:

Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam
hence, Poison = Islam

So from IRF evidence itself, there is cold, hard proof that Islam is Poison!

These are ways of the rogue and no sensible person would try to demean religions in such manners as Zakir Naik is doing to insult Islam.

IRF:
Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Bloomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandit Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc.

Analysis:
1. Of the translators mentioned by IRF, two are western indologists who had their own Christian agenda. They can no way be considered relevant for understanding of Vedas.

2. But interestingly, even they talk of nothing even remotely related to Muhammad or Mecca in the alleged verses. The only common point perhaps is the word camel. It seems that IRF team frantically searched for various mantras referring to camel in Vedas, and chose to interpret them, as per their own agenda, as would soon be evident. Readers can review the Griffith translation of these mantras at http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/av/av20127.htm and decide themselves. They can review translations of other scholars mentioned by IRF and check truth themselves. We shall provide excerpts from translation by Pandit Khem Karan as illustration. You can check them at http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/atharvaveda_v2/atharvaveda.htm

3. In their pursuit of searching mantras with reference to camel, IRF made another blunder. The Kuntaap Sukta appear at end of Atharvaveda and are not considered to be part of Veda Samhita, but merely an addendum (Khil Bhaag or Appendix) by many scholars. This is the only portion in entire Vedas that have such a difference in opinion among scholars. Had IRF chosen any other Sukta/Hymn in more than 20000 mantras of Vedas, they would have been much safer. Thus Kuntaap which IRF proved to mean “safe” is not that safe to defend their claim of Muhammad in Vedas!

IRF:
The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:

Mantra 1
He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.

Mantra 2
He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven.

Mantra 3
He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.

Mantra 4
Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.

Analysis:


Mantra 1

Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): Narashanshah or the praised one shall be praised. O Kauram – one who dwells happily on earth, we shall receive 60090 kinds of gifts from those brave ones who have destroyed violent ones.

Mantra 2, 3

Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): His chariot has twenty fast-moving camels and she-camels. He donated 100 gold coins, 10 garlands, 300 horses and 10000 cows to deserving people.

Mantra 4

Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): Keep preaching in the manner a bird chirps on a tree laden with fruits till death comes.

So far, nothing seems odd about the meanings given by IRF or other scholars. The only differences is that certain terms have subtly been introduced to set the context for proving Muhammad in these mantras. In modern parlance, this technique is called covert persuasion. Note that so far nothing hints at Muhammad except that there is a mention of camel!

Now let us enjoy the IRF research magic!

IRF:
The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).

Analysis:
1. The Arabic term b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm which is uttered before every verse of Quran is literal translation of “Dayanand ki Jai”. Does it mean that Quran sings glory of Dayanand? Now Dayanand has been the strongest critic of Quran ever. So does it mean that Quran admits that Dayanand is right?
2. Again this is nothing but Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam, hence Islam = Poison ( we shall keep revisiting this logic wherever IRF uses the same logic)

IRF:
The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.

Analysis:
1. Kaurama means ‘one who dwells peacefully on earth’.

2. The way Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah, has been replicated by millions throughout the history. One can hardly name a historically famous person who becomes famous without moving around! Krishna migrated from Vrindawan to Mathura and then to Dwarka. Also Krishna has several meanings which mean ‘promoter of peace’ and ‘praised one’. So this verse equally applies to him as well! TE Lawrence (main character of classic movie ‘Lawrence of Arabia’) became famous because of his travels in deserts of Arab. Are Vedas talking about him?

3. Again the logic is same: Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam

IRF:
He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah.

Analysis:
From which census did IRF find out this population figure? Or is yet another revelation? Historians estimate this figure to be around 5000 at most.

IRF:
The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, “A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an ass and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath”.

Analysis:
1. The mantra says allegorically that the chariot of the king will have twenty male and female camels. Even if we take it literally, did Muhammad ever travel on such a camel-chariot? And is Prophet the only camel-rider on earth ever in history?

2. The mantra talks about a king who is a Kshatriya and not a Brahman. So the relevant excerpt from Manu is not applicable in first place.

3. Vedas nowhere prohibit camel-ride for anyone.

4. Manu Smriti has been written much after Vedas. So evidence of Manu Smriti is not applicable in first place. Also the particular shloka from Manu Smriti is considered a later day interpolation by many scholars. In fact half of the Manu Smriti is considered interpolated because it is against the Vedas, which Manu himself declares to be most supreme.

5. But even if we agree to this shloka of Manu Smriti, it is not applicable or relevant in context of given mantras of Atharvaveda. Further the shloka simply states that if a Brahman has to ride on a camel, he can purify himself by doing Pranayam. It does not say that Brahman is banned from riding camel. And the mantra or the entire Sukta has no reference to Brahman whatsoever. It talks about battle and war, which is prerogative of Kshatriya and not Brahman, as per traditional Manu system.

IRF:
This mantra gave the Rishi’s name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).

Analysis:
1. The word “Mamahe” is used in the 3rd mantra of 127th sukta of Atharvaveda and not “Mamah”. There is a world of difference as we will see in next point. The derivation as given by IRF is their own independent research not corroborated by any text on grammar.

2. The word ‘Mamahe’ has been used as a verb here, meaning “We give” and NOT a noun.

3. Further the word has been used in plural and not singular. So it can not denote a singular person by wildest stretch of imagination.

4. If the word ‘Mamahe’ has to mean a noun ‘Muhammad’ in this mantra, the mantra becomes meaningless. Because ‘Mamahe’ is the ONLY verb in the entire mantra. And no sentence can have any meaning without presence of even a single verb!

IRF:

He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Makkan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Makkah to Abysinia. Later when Prophet migrated to Madinah all of them joined him in Madinah.

Analysis:
1. Suddenly, gold coins have turned into believers with Prophet in his Mecca times!

2. No text of Islam states that his followers were 100 in number initially. Some biographers do hint at 40 followers, but 100 seems to be another new revelation. Refer http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/history/prophet.htm

Thus this is the Prophetic imagination taken too far!

IRF:

The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) known as Ashra-Mubbashshira (10 bestowed with good news). These were foretold in this world of their salvation in the hereafter i.e. they were given the good news of entering paradise by the Prophet’s own lips and after naming each one he said “in Paradise”. They were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman Ibn Auf, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, Saad bin Zaid and Abu Ubaidah (May Allah be well-pleased with all of them).

Analysis:
1. What made IRF think that necklace can mean companions? Merely the fact that 10 companions of Prophet are very famous in Islamic folklores? Almost all Prophets of Islam roamed in desert and hence were camel riders.

2. So why can’t this mean Ten Commandments of Moses, by same logic!

IRF:
The Sanskrit word Go is derived from Gaw which means ‘to go to war’. A cow is also called Go and is a symbol of war as well as peace. The 10,000 cows refer to the 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet (pbuh) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed. The 10,000 companions were pious and compassionate like cows and were at the same time strong and fierce and are described in the Holy Quran in Surah Fatah:
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
[Al-Qur’an 48:29]

Analysis:
1. This is yet another research of Dr Naik that ‘Go’ means ‘to go to war’. ‘Go’ indeed means a lot of things in various mantras depending on the context – Cow, Earth, Moving Body etc. But in the current context, where the subject is of donation, the obvious meaning is ‘Cow’.

Donation of Cow has been a longstanding Vedic tradition still practiced and respected. All Vedic legends were preservers and protectors of cow. All noble Vedic kings were known to donate cows. Cow forms the backbone of Vedic civilization and Hinduism.

This is where IRF comes in tight spot. Because contrary to donating cows, his followers till today are known to be the biggest tribe of cow-killers. They take pride in killing cows in Id. Thus, this reference to donating 10000 cows is sufficient enough to prove to the most sceptic mind that if indeed there is Prophet Muhammad or any of his predecessors or successors in Vedas, the first duty of any Muslim should be to prohibit killing of cows.

2. It is even more hilarious to see the comparison of 10000 companions of Muhammad with cow. If they mean cow, then cow cannot mean ‘to go at war’ in this mantra. Because the same word cannot mean two completely different things in same context.

3. If indeed Muslims consider cows to be compassionate and pious, as described in IRF article, what makes them kill these cows in name of Allah? What makes Muhammad a cow-killer as assumed by IRF elsewhere if that be so?

4. In fact in this mantra, to make sense in lines of IRF propaganda, Go has to mean three things – to go at war (a verb),  symbol of peace and symbol of war, all at the same time! It has to be a verb and a noun at the same time! Because ‘Mamahe’ the only verb in the mantra has been deliberately interpreted as a noun in this mantra by IRF experts. Thus this would have to be the only sentence of its kind in history of language where a word is a verb and two nouns at same time, and another word which is supposed to be a verb is now a noun.

Sounds confusing, right? But then confusion alone can breed such blinded theories!

IRF:

This mantra calls the Prophet as Rebh which means one who praises, which when translated into Arabic is Ahmed, which is another name for the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

Analysis:
Again the same logic of
1. Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam
=> Poison = Islam

2.  b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm is another way of saying “Dayanand ki Jai!”

Battle of the Allies described in the Vedas.

IRF:
It is mentioned in Atharvaveda Book XX Hymn 21 verse 6, “Lord of the truthful! These liberators drink these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in the field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one.”

This Prophecy of the Veda describes the well-known battle of Ahzab or the battle of the Allies during the time of Prophet Muhammed. The Prophet was victorious without an actual conflict which is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Ahzab:

“When the believers saw the confederate forces they said, “This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true.” And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience.”
[Al-Qur’an 33:22]

The Sanskrit word karo in the Mantra means the ‘praying one’ which when translated into Arabic means ‘Ahmed’, the second name of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).

The 10,000 opponents mentioned in the Mantra were the enemies of the Prophet and the Muslims were only 3000 in number.

The last words of the Mantra aprati ni bashayah means the defeat was given to the enemies without an actual fight.

Analysis:
Actual Meaning (Pandit Khem Karan): “O Protector of Truthful! You have been pleased by those brave ones who produce bliss, by acts of bravery and noble passion in wars against the enemies. Through smart action oriented zeal, ten thousand enemies have been defeated without resistance.”

1. If indeed it means Battle of Ahzab, why is the number of soldiers in Prophet’s army not given?

2. The phrase Dash Sahsra or its variants are used in several places in Vedas to signify a large number or limitlessness.

3. There is no word as ‘Karo’ in the mantra. The closest sounding word in the mantra is “Karave’ which DOES NOT mean praying one’. It means ‘for the action-oriented’. NO name of Muhammad means ‘action-oriented’. So any connection with Muhammad is categorically ruled out.

4. The mantra refers to spiritual battle where the mind destroys innumerable varieties of negative thoughts through practice and meditation of positive things in life. And hence the victory is bloodless. The sukta can also be interpreted to explain strategies of war. But no way does it, or any mantra in Vedas refers to any kind of history.

IRF team is advised to consult the Vedic experts to understand the hidden treasures and deep essence of Vedic mantras and come back to their original roots, rejecting the falsehood.

IRF:

The enemies’ defeat in the conquest of Makkah is mentioned in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 21 verse no 9:

“You have O Indra, overthrown 20 kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariot wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan.”

The population of Makkah at the time of Prophet’s advent was nearly 60,000. There were several clans in Makkah each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Makkah. An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far-famed and ‘praised one’. Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God.

Analysis:

1. There is no census data to validate that Mecca had a population of 60,000 in Muhammad’s era except IRF research based on their own revealed sources.
2. Literal translation of this mantra means that 60000 plus enemies and their 20 kings were crushed under the chariots. By this logic, there should be 60,000 soldiers in the battlefield. If that be so, it means that entire population of Mecca fought against Muhammad and were killed by him. If that be so, if this mantra be a true Prophecy, Muhammad cannot be a symbol of peace. On contrary, it proves that Muhammad carried out a mass genocide of entire Mecca population because they refused to accept him as their dictator! Then, Islam remains a religion of peace only in Arabic dictionary, and not in reality!
3. In reality, this Balttle of Mecca was as small tribal battle where 900-1000 soldiers and 300 soldiers of Islam have supposed to have fought for a few hours, as per Islamic experts. And not more than 10 leaders are known to have participated from Meccan side. Thus neither the number 20, nor 60000 in mantra has any reference to this tiny battle.

4. This sukta actually details spiritual battle in the mind as is evident from other mantras in the sukta. The same strategies can be extended to external war as well. But it has no inkling of relation with any tribal war.

And if still, it is assumed to have so, it only means Muhammad was a mass-killer. IRF experts can decide what they want to accept.

III. Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Rigveda

IRF:
A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:

The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).

Analysis:
1. Literally translated, the meaning is similar to previous verse, implying Muhammad carried a mass-genocide of 60000 plus people to rule Mecca

2. Sushravasa means a good listener or a reliable friend in this mantra, nothing to do with Muhammad.

3. Even if its means well praised, it only means that Muhammad was well-praised by his men for carrying carnage of 60000 people of Mecca!

It is in best interest of IRF to not harp on such attempts to discover Muhammad in Vedas which only denigrate him.  Their research of Muhammad in Bhavishya Puran has already proved him a demon and a ghost Tripurasur!

IV. Muhummad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda


IRF:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:
“Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun.” The Prophecy confirms:
The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.
Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.
The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28
“We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.”

Analysis:
This is laughing Jehad at its best. The aim to kill infidels by making them laugh like anything.

1. I tried my best to locate this mantra in the Samaveda but could not. Maybe if they can provide the exact mantra, that would help.

2. ‘Aham At Hi’ is authentic Sanskrit way of expression. And in joining of words, ‘t’ becomes ‘d’. For example, ‘Sat’ + ‘Aachaar’ = “SaDaachaar”. ‘Hi’ means only.

3. If indeed Vedas predicted word ‘Ahmad’ which is Arabic word, does it mean Arabic is older than Vedic Sanskrit?

4. If Vedas could predict upto ‘Ahmad’ and number of his armymen and companion, what prevented Vedas from predicting his actual name “Muhammad”? Why did Allah create so much of confusion? Had he simply put the biography of Muhammad in a few mantras clearly spelling his name, crores of people would have been convinced of Prophet’s coming and would have prevented themselves from going to Hell! Allah must be crazy as per IRF research, then!

General Analysis

1. If indeed Vedas have prophecy on Muhammad, why are they not in one place. In an ocean of 20000 mantras, there are only 7 mantras about Prophet, the most important topic of the Vedas who would change the entire structure of Vedic concept topsy-turvy! These too are distributed randomly and none clearly spelled the name of Muhammad. They only mean Muhammad in same way as Islam means Poison. Was it that Allah was still confused about the name of his last Prophet?

2. If indeed Vedas predict that Muhammad would kill so many people and make 10 his companion, it means that Allah had already decided that these people would be killed by Muhammad and dispatched to Hell. He had pre-decided the fate of these people millenniums before he gave them birth on earth! Does it not make Allah unjust and biased?

3. If indeed Vedas could predict Muhammad and his life, why is IRF and Muslim world shy about embracing Vedas as Books of God? Why he has to write in FAQ on Hinduism that Vedas may or MAY NOT be book of God?

4. And if Vedas can predict Muhammad, and they talk of concepts which clearly contradict Quran, which one should be believed?

After all Quran was written 20 years after Muhammad’s death, there was no oral tradition of memorizing and protecting Quran in Muhammad’s times and his favorite followers were fighting of each others’ lives after Muhammad died! So how can we trust Quran to be authentic?

But Vedas have an oral tradition since its inception and inbuilt mechanism to prevent any interpolation of even a syllable. So they are definitely the most protected books of the world. So should not IRF, Dr Zakir Naik and his followers return to their roots which are so accurate, unchanged and so strong in predicting future?

Further, they predict Muhammad as nothing but mass-murderer, by IRF’s own research in Vedas! Their research in Bhavishya Puran proved him to be a ghost or demon called Tripurasur who is supposed to bring lot of nuisance in the world! (Kindly refer to previous part of this series)

They say that lie has no feet! Hence it gets you trapped!

I appeal to all my lost friends – IRF, Dr Zakir Naik, his friends and his followers –  to explore the real praiseworthy, the real Narashansah in the Vedas, the Ishwar and reject false prophecies. Such falsehood can only trap you in your own mistaken notions in same way as this falsehood has trapped you logically without any room for escape.

I appeal to them to stop believing in and spreading myths and return back to their original path – the path of Truth and Reason! And in process shower respect to all that is good in Islam and Hinduism without maligning them.

Only then can peace be on him (pbuh)!

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/2932/muhammad-vedas-hi/

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  3. @”Lage Raho Shankar Bhai”

    tum to keh rahe the sapne mein vedon k eishwar ko dekhte ho aur phir mante nahi jaise vedon k 4 rishiyon ko nahi mante apne dada pardada ko nahi mante?

  4. ALLAH KI HAISIYAT???- ye jo allah hai koi dimag ki soch hai,muhammad ki mind vision hai.jyada se jyada ye man tak hi chalang le pati hai.ALLAH JO HAI WO AACCHE SAPNE BHEJTA HAI AUR BURE SAPNE SHAITAN SE AATE HAI – aisa kahna hi dimag ka star ,mentality darshata hai.bahot hi nichale darze ki mansikata siddha karta hai.sirf bura sapna bura hai usko shaitan se jodna aur aaccha sapna allah se jodna murkhata ki baat hai.sapne aakhir sapne hote hai.man ki vichar ki tarange hoti hai,iska allah se aur shaitan se jodna bachkana baat hai.are ye MUHAMMAD KO NEEND KI BIMARI TO NAHI???phir ye allah insan se marte waqt uski aatma chinta hai,aur jab mara nahi aise neend me uske aatma ko kabje me leta hai??(Q.azzumar42-43). hahaha …ab jab neend me uske aatma ko kabje me lenewale allah ko kya itna bhi pata nahi hoga ki ye sapne kaise dekhega????hahaha…jab neend me aatma kabje me lega to aatma to allah ke hate me rahi phir ye neend se jagne par usko kyo nahi yaa hota?bhich me uthata hai to kya allah fouran kabja chodta hai kya??hahaha….YE ALLAH JHUTH HAI,JHUTI BAATE KARTA HAI.

  5. ISLAM KI SACCHAI 9 – islam ka arth peace nahi hai,nahi tha aur nahi rahega.islam ka arth hai sharanagati.kuch akal ke diwane jaise batate hai islam=peace bebunuyad aur sabse bada jhuth hai.Islam=Submission,Salam=Well-being/Peace,(Derivation of Salama=The stinging of a snake or the tanning of theleather,Saleema=To be saved or to escape from danger(when refering to a female),Saleem=To be saved or to escape from danger(when refering to a male),Aslam=To submit,Istaslama=To surrender,Tasleem=To receive a salutationor becoming submitted
    he root word of Islam
    is “al-silm” which means “submission” or “surrender.”
    It is understood to mean “submission to Allah.” In
    spite of whatever noble intention has caused many a
    Muslim to claim that Islam is derived primarily from peace, this is not true. Allah says in the Qur’an
    (translated): [2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and
    that which is revealed to us and that which was
    revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and
    Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and
    Jesus received, and that which the prophets
    received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have
    surrendered. [Arabic “Muslimoon”] A secondary root of Islam may be “Al-Salaam” (peace),
    however the text of the Qur’an makes it clear that
    Allah has clearly intended the focus of this way of life
    to be submission to Him. This entails submission to
    Him at all times, in times of peace, war, ease, or difficulty.Qur’an 5:3 says Islam is a deen (religion) Today, I have perfected your religion (dīn) for you; I
    have completed My blessing upon you; I have
    approved Islam for your religion Qur’an 5:3,Qur’an 3:19 says Islam is submission to Allah The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His
    Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent
    therefrom except through envy of each other, after
    knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the
    Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. Qur’an 3:19,

  6. ISLAM KI SACCHAI 8 –
    The prophet of Islam committed SHIRK – he was a hypocrite – he made himself Allah’s partner! Read carefully….
    O you who believe, obey Allah and His Messenger … ” (8:20) “Say: obey Allah and
    obey the Messenger … ” (24:54) … “Obey Allah and the Messenger and perhaps you will
    be shown mercy.” (3:132) “If you obey him, you will be guided … ” (24:54) “Whoever
    obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah … ” (4:79) “That what the Messenger brings you
    and leave what he forbids you … ” (59:7) “Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger is
    with those whom Allah has blessed.” (4:68) “We did not send any Messenger but for him to be obeyed by the permission of Allah.” (4:63) … “Whoever obeys me has obeyed Allah. Whoever rebels against me has rebelled
    against Allah. …” (Muslim and al Bukhari)Obeying the Messenger is part of obeying Allah
    since Allah commands that he be obeyed. True obedience is obedience to Allah’s
    command and therefore obedience to His Prophet. … In the hadith of Abu Hurayrah we find that the Prophet said, “All of my community
    will enter the Garden except for those who refuse to.” They asked, “O Messenger of
    Allah, who will refuse?” He replied, “Whoever obeys me will enter the Garden. Whoever
    rebels against me has refused.” (Al Hakim) … “It is like someone who builds a house and lays out a fine feast in it and sends out a
    summoner. Whoever does not answer the summoner does not enter the house and eat
    from the feast.” (Muslim and al Bukhari)
    Again read carefully…
    “His the Kingdom of the Heavens and of the Earth! No son hath He begotten! No partner hath He in his Empire! ” Al-Koran, Surah XXV. “…when One God was proclaimed to you, ye believed not: but when partners had been united with him, ye believed…” Al-Koran, Surah XL. “…Verily, if thou join partners with God , vain shall be all thy work, and thyself shalt be of those who perish.” Al-Koran, Surah XXXIX. “SAY: Come, I will rehearse what your Lord hath made binding on you–that ye assign
    not aught to Him as partner;” Al-Koran, Surah VI.
    That Mohammad was a hopelessly confused moron – but at least he could blame his
    delusions on mental illness and hallucinations.

  7. ISLAM KI SACCHAI 7- Then Allah’s Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with
    terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, “Cover me! Cover me!” They covered him till
    his fear was over and then he said, “O Khadija, what is wrong with me?” Then he told her
    everything that had happened and said, ‘I fear that something may happen to me.” Khadija
    said, ‘Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah.
    The “Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir”, (Book of the Major Classes), by Ibn Sa’d, translated by
    S. Moinal Haq, [4], page 225 has Muhammad saying: “O Khadija, I see light and hear sounds and I fear I am mad”.
    Let’s further compare Muhammad’s experience with Biblical stories of men who
    had experiences with God. Noah – Gen. 6. God speaks to Noah and tells him that He is going to destroy the earth. Noah does not panic, become depressed, or driven by fear. He knows that this God speaking to him,
    and there is no need for rash action. Noah knows this is God, and Noah does not become
    irrational. Noah knows that this God is not going to harm him. Abraham – Gen. 12 – 18. God speaks to Abraham. Abraham does not panic, Abraham is not bewildered, Abraham does not doubt or become depressed, Abraham believes and obeys. God visited
    Abraham, yet neither he nor Sarah attempts any rash actions. Moses – Ex. 3 – 34 God appeared to Moses in the burning bush. Moses was afraid to look at God but Moses does not act paranoid. He knew that this God was not a God of terror. Moses did
    not run back to his family frightened out of his mind. Moses did not become depressed
    over the event, thinking he was possessed or bewitched. Instead, because Moses
    personally experienced this God and knew he could trust this God, Moses knew and
    obeyed. Isaiah – Isaiah 6 Isaiah had a powerful vision and experience of God. Yet he did not lose his mind, he was not driven by dread of God. He feared God because of the sin in his heart, and the
    sinfulness of the people he dwelt among, but he did not panic. During this experience he
    realized God had forgiven him and accepted him. Because he experienced the real God,
    Isaiah did not attempt suicide or any other rash action. His mind was sound, he did not
    need to have a “spirit” continue to sooth him. Mary – Luke 1. The real Gabriel also visited Mary. She too was perplexed and afraid. But during her experience with Gabriel, she gained confidence and strength. She knew God loved
    her. She did not become irrational or depressed, and she did not run around frightened
    out of her mind. She did not attempt suicide. Instead, because she experienced the living
    God, she knew she was loved and accepted. She knew this God was real, and she had
    nothing to fear. Jesus – Mark 1. When Jesus Christ began His ministry, He was baptized in water. The Holy Spirit descended upon Him. God spoke from heaven, and the people there heard God speak,
    “This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.” There were no panic attacks,
    depression, or doubt.

  8. jab aadmi sapna dekhta hai,tab wo aapne bhitar pura jagat nirmit karta hai.jaisa jagat bahar hota hai vaise hi bhitar hota hai.bahar,chand,suraj,aakash,zamin,diwar achal hai to us ke sapne me bhi wo achal hote hai.is ka arth hua wo jo duniya banata hai wo apni man ki shakti se banata hai.koi bhi mehanat,samugri,sadhan use nahi karta.kyo wo allah ka sathidar nahi hai kya???thodi der ke liye to wo duniya banta hai,is se bhi wo sathidar nahi hoga?????hahaha…..

    • Dear Sweet brother,

      The link you have mentioned here is not authentic. Its some forum, ABC, XYZ forum. Talk about authentic proofs…. ‘Guinness Book of World Records’ world wide accepted book for world records. This book states that Islam is the fastest growing religion and the reason of its fast spread is conversion to Islam.

      Brother, you don’t need to shut mouth of any muslim, you only need to give a thought as to why people converting to Islam??? Are all of them fools.?? The answer is no.. They have identified the true religion eventually.

      Brother , i pray that Almighty God guide you to the right path.. 🙂

      • Many people convert out of Islam as well especially in the Western worlds where their choice to leave Islam is protected by laws. More would do so if it were not for the death penalty for Muslim apostates. Not a very confident religion which kills people who leave its faith.

      • @A muslim, asalamualaikum brother, you have given well balanced answer to another hate monger aryasamaji.
        he has written that muslim propagate that //Muslims live in dream that they will soon occupy europe by population,//

        but as far as i have heard muslims claims that there will be 6 crore muslims by 2030??? about 10% of then European population if-if the growth will remain same and who knows that what will be growth in future?

        so let these filthy hate mongers hate..

  9. In spite of all the negative propaganda against Islam, ironically Islam still happens to be the fastest growing religion, not just in the west but also across the world. The more people try to suppress Islam, the more it will prevail. Allah (swt) will make His Deen (Islam) to prevail over all the other ways of life irrespective of people mocking and ridiculing His messengers.

    • @ Maria Muslimah

      This is again a propaganda spread by Muslims that they are the fastest growing religion in the west and usa mainly by conversion, which is not the fact.Muslims preachers spread this propaganda to keep there floke together, otherwise largets no,s of Muslims atre leaving the faith .But both of these no,s cannot be substantiated as there is no concrete evidence.

      But ,Wait a minute, i will give you exact picture of Islam population till 2030 in the west especially and the reason .Here is pie report for the world religious population from 2010-2030

      Muslims live in dream that they will soon occupy europe by population,where as stats doesn,t prove this claim

      In Europe as a whole, the Muslim share of the population is expected to grow by nearly one-third over the next 20 years, rising from 6% of the region’s inhabitants in 2010 to 8% in 2030. In absolute numbers, Europe’s Muslim population is projected to grow from 44.1 million in 2010 to 58.2 million in 2030. The greatest increases – driven primarily by continued migration – are likely to occur in Western and Northern Europe, where Muslims will be approaching double-digit percentages of the population in several countries. In the United Kingdom, for example, Muslims are expected to comprise 8.2% of the population in 2030, up from an estimated 4.6% today. In Austria, Muslims are projected to reach 9.3% of the population in 2030, up from 5.7% today; in Sweden, 9.9% (up from 4.9% today); in Belgium, 10.2% (up from 6% today); and in France, 10.3% (up from 7.5% today)

      Main Factors Driving Population Growth is not conversions as some Idiot muslims thought pint to be noted , but in fact
      Life Expectancy at Birth
      Muslims are living much longer than they did just a generation ago.

      Migration
      On average, more people are leaving Muslim-majority countries than migrating to them.

      Age Structure
      Generally speaking, Muslim-majority countries have very youthful populations. As of 2010, people under age 30 make up about 60% of the total population of Muslim-majority countries.

      Fertility

      Fertility rates have fallen in most Muslim-majority countries in recent decades. Yet they remain, on average, higher than in the rest of the developing world and considerably higher than in more-developed countries

      http://www.pewforum.org/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-regional-europe.aspx

      Just open this link and teach your deluded friends also about this propaganda

  10. God is the biggest discovered and yet undiscovered mystery for the mankind.Man made religion to find the answer about the creator and to control the society in certain set of rules.But question of God,s existence remains unchanged.Societies keep on evolving with the progression of science , those religion who could not answer the queries get vanished from the face of earth.

    Now every religion creators works as per there intelligence level ,that can be seen in there works,Islam may be a religion but if we compare this with the theory of Vedas then difference would be same as the work of Class Xth and PHD .

    Islam stands on faulty parameters. They copy everything from jews .Adam and Eve theory is a bunkum and laughable story.To think that entire humanity have arrived from one set of parents is palusible.Modern day scientist have discovered more then 10,000 DNA for humankind, till date, and that research is still going on.So as of now we can precisely say that we came from minimum 10,000 set of parents.This is the starting of Christianity and Islam and judaism,If the start is a big False how can there religion be ???

    Suppose ,Religion is like a “Pipe” and society is a “plant” which is planted to grow inside that pipe(religion),In future society plant grows to a tree and that pipe of religion stands there .What will happen then ?That “Pipe” (religion) will be either broken or get vanished inside a grown up tree.So religion has to keep evolving and changed as per the demand of the society.Those religion who will stand up unchanged like a pipe will be finished the coming future.

    So this is for great fan of Islam , either you should reform or in 50-100 years this religion will be a history on this earth.All other existing religion have gone through there enlightenment period except Islam.Grow up.

  11. Muslims donot know any other language properly other than arabic , so they completely believe in mistranslated and currupted form of pure vedas .

  12. With due respect Mr. Agniveer, Will you please write regarding whether the concept of incarnation is true or whether the concept of Prophet is true w.r.t Vedas and without concerning with other religion?

    Thankyou,
    Dayal Parkash

  13. @raj, veda say non believer of veda as nastik and anarya and malecha… we have no problem with it because anybody can change his side. do u know what agnivrr said about anarya???? but moolshankar has abused by taking the name of hazrat muhammad and Allah subhanahu ta’ala. what quran said that is for kafir and polytheist.. u can read what veda call to polytheist.
    in the above verse word sharr is used for polytheist and kafirs but first thing it is not abuse and second thing a kafir can accept islam and can change his side. origional quran is in arabic and for many words other languages are unable to express true meaning like shaheed and shahadat. we use this word cant translate in hindi. same case with the word makr, in arabic makr is not used in bad sense but in hindi and urdu it is used in bad sense.
    regarding abuse u can see what Allah say in quran..
    And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance. Thus have We made fair seeming to every people their deeds; then to their Lord shall be their return, so He will inform them of what they did. http://quran.com/6/108
    if u think that word sharr-u-ddawwab is abuse then i cant satisfy u but there is nothing for rama, krishna, gautam and any religious personality. but u can read the arrogant, filthy, dirty, foolish and vile language of moolshankar ie. yeh musalmano ka khuda to bara dokhebaaz hai, aisa likhne wala(regarding writer of quran) to nira anparh aur kapti aadmi hai.etc etc. the writer has crossed all the limits and openly abused every religion either jainism or budhism. when quran say something regarding idolaters then he start shouting and crying but he himself write same things for nastik and rejecters of vedas. i can give u plenty of examples,. for reference u can read book written by maulana sanaullah amrtsari” haque prakash” which can be downloaded from islamhinduism.com

    • mahamahim sri abdullah ji apni puri bat hindi me rakhiy to jyada achha rahega ! satyarth prkash ne kuran ko kabhi bhi dharmik granth nahi mana hai aur vah koi dharmik kitab bhi nahi hai ! kuran ko manne vale din ki kitab kaha katrte hai vah ek sthaniy samasyao par adharit kitab hai kuran me yah bhi kaha gaya hai ki arab ke aspas ke logo kodarao unko apne giroh me shamil karo!! jara batlaye kuran kaise allah ki kitab ho sakti hai ? kevalkahane matr se usko kyo khudayi kitab kaha jaye ? khuda kya hai ? kya uske hath hote hai? jiske hath adi hoteho usko sarvshaktiman khuda kyo kaha jaye ? dekhe kuran 38/75 jisme kurani allah adam ko “dono hatho ” se banane ka jikar karte hai jra dhyan dijiye arbi bhasha me ek vachan do vachanv bahuvachan ki vyakaran hoti hai ! yahan par dono hatho ka jikar hai jara batlaye yahnhath kis mata ke garbhme bane the dekhe kuran 39 /67 jisme “daye hath” me asman ko lapetne ki bat kurani allah karte hai jab dayan hath to bayan hath bhi sambhav hai! dekhe kuran 5/64 jisme kurani allah yahudi ki bat ke jabvabme apne” dono hath” khule huye ka jikar karte hai ! kuran me anek jagahklurani allah ko satve asman par ek singhasan par jisko 8 farishte jiska sighasan uthaye huye hai ! jikar milta hai ! 8 farishte simit singhasan simit fir us par virajman kurani allah “simit ” kyo nahi hoga ? jo simit ho vah kaise sarvshaktiman ho sakta hai ? kaha jata hai ki kuran ki ayte alalah ke farishte laya karte the? kurani allah muhammad ji ko” dairect” sandesh dene me kyo asfal ? kurani allah ne apne karyo me farishte ki sahayta kyo li jabki kuran yah bhi kahata hai ki kurani allah ne sari kaaynat sirf 6 din me bagair kisi ki sahayta ke bana di jab 6 din me sari katynat kurani allah banane ka dava karte hai to kuran ki ayte to 23 sal me ayi hai ? fri itni choti kuran ka sandesh dene me kurani allah ne farishto ki sahata kyo leni padi ? dekhe kuran 79 / 27-33 jisme kurani allah sabse pahale jaminbanane ka dava karte hai ? ab dekhiye kuran 41/9-12 jisme kurani allah sabse pahale jamin…

      • ….. sabse pahale jamin banane ka dava kiya? ab ap batlaye kaun si kuran ki ayat sachhi mani jaye aur kaun si jhuthi mani jaye ? kuran me anek jagah yah bhi dava kiya gaya hai inhi karno se swami dayanand ji ne, kuran allah v muhammad ji ko kabhi achha nahi mana hai isi liye unko adar dena bhi pasand nahi kiya hai ! asha hai ki ap insabhi kuran ke sandeho par” pura” javab denge? ham,ko apne muslimbandhuo se shikayat rahi hai ki vahbahutjaldi is maidan se bhag jate hai ham asha karte hai ki ap bhagkar nahi jayenge ! agar bhagna bhi pade to turant kuran ki bhi sangati chhod dijiyega ! apse javab ki asha me ….?

  14. Agniveerji, I stand by what I say. If I say I will take this fellow in court, I will. And I hope my Hindu brothern will be with me. Love and compassionate universal affection as taught in Veda. Love, Murali

  15. @Mr. raja, can u show me the abusive language in quran?or u have just foul to shit anything? if u enjoy then i can show u some extraordinary from satyarthprakash…cheers..

    • Sahih International
      Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.
      Muhsin Khan
      Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
      Pickthall
      Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
      Yusuf Ali
      Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
      Shakir
      Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.
      Dr. Ghali
      Surely (the ones) who have disbelieved among the population of the Book (Or: family of the Book; i.e., the Jews and Christians) and the associators (Those who associate others with Allah) will be in the Fire of Hell, eternally (abiding) therein; those are they who are the most evil beings (Literally: Initiated creatures).

      • First of all, who taught you that Hinduism is polytheistic? – WEB OR AN INDIAN SAINT OR A MULLAH FROM PAKISTAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR? Have you read the Vedas or are you basking in the glory of the “one up manship” of your Zakir Naik? Hinduism is absolutely monotheistic. For me, for example, I consider my mother as the universal mother; that my mother who is no more is now merged with the Universal Mother or the Ultimate Reality.. Now, this is too much for you to take as a naive on spirituality as a Mullah educated Muslim. A mother? not in Islam – Islam treats its women as slaves; subjects of sexual satisfaction; and that is why more women are leaving Islam than men; example the exile to US and Canada. A mother considered the mother of Universe? Not in Islam. Hello, come on, you are on the other side of the fence. This side of the fence is for the intellectually and spiritually developed. And, that obviously leaves people like you out. At the end, let me also tell you, there is nothing wrong in polytheism either. Seeing the God. the supreme reality. in the image of my loved Mother is nothing wrong; and seeing it in my father’s image is not wrong either; I can see it in my wife’s, daughter’s and Son’s image too-that is the benefit I get out of Hinduism. I can see it in any image I want to; YOU CANNOT, because for you the women are tools of satisfaction, children are toi take the guns. What did your prophet do? He actually did it with a 9 year old girl; the idiot lives with his own daughter in law; and innumerable concubines and slaves, save the 9 wives first of which was a woman almost double his age. Can you deny it? if you can then take on Ali Sina, I am nobody; if you cannot, then take on Arya Samaj and as a commentator and as a student of history, I will be there with my Arya Samaj friends. Are we living in a world where the God will come and hand over a commandment that from today no adoption is acceptable, because Zynab was a daughter in law and Allah rebuked his own old rule just…

      • US and UN ki najayaj aulado.. apas me hi sale tum lado aur yaha koi aur gand mar raha hai.. sale veda and purana, kuran ke gyani baba log insaniyat kaha gayi?? Britishon ki gulami karke aj unke jaise hi bolne lage.. google me hi veda dekh liya aur kuran v. kavi uski kitabe lekar dekhi nai.. Har roj Kisi v manushya ko Bhagwan banane wale andho line par aao.. aur agar Islam itna bura hai to apne ma, Bap Bhai bahano ko bolo majaro par jana band kare mannate mangna band kare.. maine kavi v ek v Muslim ko madir jakar bhikh mangte nai dekha lekin har masjid ya majar ke bahar musalmano se jyada hamari line hoti hai. Kyo??????????????? koi jawab hai. aj v jab hamare gharo me bacho ki tabiyat kharab hoti hai to ma majar ya masjid jakar pani phunka kar lati hai aur us se fayda v hota hai.. problem ye hai ki hum achi chijen hajam nai hoti.. Koun pandit ya moulvi kya bolta hai kya zakir naik kya bolta hai uski jagah apna dimag use karo.. simple si bat hai jjis chij se bhala hota hai wahi sahi hai.. aap bhala to jag bhala..

  16. @soham, we are going to make case against satyarth prakash in higher court, Moolshankar has used abusing language for Allah and hazrat muhammad s.a.w. in samhullas 14. u should read satyarthprakash first.

    • And u should read Quran first. Muhammad and his friend Gabriel have used abusing language for idol worshippers, Jews and Christians. You are most welcome to approach higher court.

    • And we will also do the same thing. Taker innumerable Islam so called Pandits who used Abusing words on Hinduism to court. I am Murali, I am from Bangalore, and let us see in an Indian court from now, if you have the f.cking guts.

  17. Logic which Zakir gives is absolutely correct y u want to misguide people with ur own ideology an havent u studied the vedas or upanishads or bhagavad gita which clearly says that God is one without images,photos,idols etcc…..turn to Allah before u return to him surely hell is waiting for unbelievers

    • 1. You seem to be a Muslim talking in the disguise of a Hindu name called Karthik.
      2. What Zakir says is absolutely “incorrect”. We will prove it from Arya Samaj, if only either you or your Zakir Naik has the guts to face the Arya Samaj.
      3. Yes, the Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas and epics all quote “JUST ONE GOD” seen in different ways by different people. To quote from Mahabahratha (the validity of this scripture is questionable though, but this verse seems to come from Vedas). From Vishnu Sahasranama: Eko Vishnur Mahat Bhutam, Pruthak Bhutanyanekasa, Trimlokan Vyapa Bhungto Vishwa Bughviya). Translation in a layman term: There is only one ultimate soul, which manifests in a thousand ways because the human mind is blind and the ultimate soul is open. These various forms manifest differently, but the ultimate soul is only one, which consumes the entire universe”. That is a lay man translation. To prove the Sanskrit meaning of this, let Zakir Naik meet Agniveer and the rest of Arya Samajis. Ask your Zakir to come on a debate with Agniveer and Arya Samaj and let us see where Zakir stands and where I stand and where Hinduism stands. Good bye, if your Zakir Naik is again going to refuse and go to Lord Buddha’s reclusion, debate with Arya Smajis if Zakir has the guts. He will not take this challenge, mind you, because he knows he cannot take on a true Arya Samaji.

  18. U jaffa agniveer u dont want to respect another religions shame on u just get lost people like u r burden on the earth

  19. Agniveer plz make a case at higher court against Zakir Naik that he misinterpret holy vedas and misleading innocent people..

  20. Sorry, I need to make a little typographical correction. Please read my post as “King Bhoja Raja’s rule should have been around 450-500 BCE” as 450-500 AD. Sorry for the typographical error.

  21. Agniveerji, you and several other Vedic experts have already rebutted and refuted Zakir Naik on Vedic grounds, so I do not want to dwell much into it. As a Hindu, and as a keen student of History, I have a Historical rebuttal to Zakir Naik. As you know, the Bhavishya Purana, (as agreed by Dr. Naik) says King Bhoja Raja met Mahammada (Muhammad) west of Indus. Now, as every one know, King Bhoja Raja is the 10th in the lineage of King Shalivahana. The scripture says these 10 Kings together ruled for 500 years and left for heavenly planes. Now, King Shalivaha according to whatever History we can research, is expected to have lived around the time of the Jesus. In such an event, King Bhoja Raja’s rule should have been around 450-500 BCE. We all know that Prophet Muhammad’s life on earth was 26 April 570 – 8 June 632 and that he migrated to Medina in 622. It is only after 622 BCE it is possible that he had a following (as is mentioned in Bhavishya Purana). Let us keep it as approx 625 BCE. This is far too late for allowing a meeting between King Bhoja Raja and Muhammad. Also, for this meeting to happen, either Muhammad had to travel to Indus (which is what Bhavihsya Purana and what Dr. Naik claims) or King Bhoja Raja should have traveled to Central Arabia. Let us now take a look at Quran and Hadiths, supposedly not a word there can be wrong, nor can it be incomplete according to Dr. Naik himself. Not a single mention of Muhammad having traveled to Indus appears anywhere in Quran or Hadith. It is also extremely unlikely for King Bhoja Raja having traveled to Central Arabia, which has no mention in Bhavishya Purana. So, even if we were to leave out the Vedas, Quran, Bhavishya Purana and all those references Dr. Naik is making, but from a pure historical perspective this is a complete impossibility. I am sure Dr. Naik, being a qualified Doctor, knows the importance of scientific and historical analysis, although I am more than sure he will pretend not to be.

  22. Is there any Vedas in English? I studied Sanskrit in year 4 and 5 in Nepal . Now i want to know vedas and do some friendly debates with my muslim mate; they know inside out about islam.

    • Hi Miss Limbu, first of all there is a big danger in learning these scriptures from a translation. Sanskrit is such a language that it is almost impossible to find exactly matching words in English or any other language. So, it is better to learn these scriptures in Sanskrit itself. There is a Sanskrit tuition available on this site itself – check for details. I am happy people like you are getting interested in Sanatana Dharma and taking keen interest in understanding the same. Secondly, your notion that your Muslim mates know Islam inside out is actually wrong. Most Muslims in the Indian subcontinent do not understand Arabic the way it should be understood. They read Quran (they are so taught at Madrassas) but actually understand nothing. What they understand is what the Mullahs taught them and most Mullahs are Wahabi cults and several times the real meaning of Quran is hidden from an average Muslim.

  23. This is so good article.Can somebody talk about this on you tube? Dr zakir naik convinces people to believe that islam is the correct religion and it is mentioned in the bible and vedas this and that….for God shake how much ever he or other people convince me to believe in islam. i love my own religion.i am both hindu and buddhist, i love the chants, mantras, bhajan, meditation and i have been telling people both this religion go side by side.if buddhism teaches us about inner peace and meditation then we have Hinduism is there to teach us to pray GOD. i do not want to believe in “there is no god but one god” and Muhammad is the last messager or the only messenger…..islam try to brain drain people. i know many things about islam ; my friends keep telling me about islam and they even tell me that now that i know about islam. on my judgement day i will be punished because i did not accept islam.
    the funny thing they tell me is if i die and i meet islamic god then i am sure to get punished because i did not wear hijab, burka and did not accept islam.i just want to tell all the islamic people to stop giving negative energies and make people worry.you all are going to hell for putting pressure on decent and religious people like me.

  24. Hello Agniveer,
    I have a few good friends who are muslims.
    In a friendly way they ought to insult the holy idols of gods .They also abuse gods with different names for instance when during Ganesh chaturthi visarjan he said ” kya bevakufi hain ye”
    when they see a naga-baba (baba’s without clothes) they say “aurat ke saamne sharam nahi aata unko ,Kya culture hain ye “.
    .Because our hindu religion never says that we should insult other religion ,In what way should i reply to them so that i don’t hurt their feelings ???

    I have seen Zakhir naik’s how he slaughtered an innocent lady’s belief on lord krishna.after seeing that i felt very bad
    please teach him a good lesson..please make more youtube videos and create awareness.

    —Agniveer awaiting your response.

    • Though I am NOT a member of Agniveer team BUT I would say that
      You must reply those muslims. Islam is the only faith which comes from the devil. Muslims wrongly assume that they worship GOD. They dont. That’s why USA / Israel has waged a war against these evil people. Muslims are backward and will continue to be so. All NON Muslims must unite and kill these evil people. We must stop their immigration to NON Muslim nations.

      Dont think NOT to hurt their feelings. Read website of Dr. Ali Sina to know what are muslim feelings. You must show them what is evil in their books.

      See this link — http://mostintolerantreligion.com/2012/04/06/can-a-muslim-take-non-muslim-as-a-friend

      There is NOTHING called as Muslim friend of non muslims. That’s NOT possible. Muslims dont have NON Muslim friends and they won’t. You must use their tactic on themselves. Unless you reply them in their own language, nothing is going to happen. Visit Ali Sina website and also the false prophet co cc website. If they show you 1 BEVAKUFI, you must show them 100. Unfortunately, there are 18 crore muslims in IND else we would have killed those evil men.

      Dr. Ali Sina says that IF EVIL MUSLIMS BOMB OUR 1 CITY, WE MUST BOMB THEIR WHOLE COUNTRY. IT IS BETTER TO DESTROY THEIR WHOLE WORLD. I DON’T THINK MUSLIMS ARE HUMAN. MUSLIMS LEARN HUMANITY WHEN THEY QUIT ISLAM AND BECOME APOSTATE. THEN, THEY ARE KILLED BY BARBARIANS.

      Regarding Zakir Naik, YES – team Agniveer is doing what they must but they need our support. So, contact them the way you can.

      • lease dont think like that
        you sound like a terrorist.
        god is one. But the fact that they(muslims) do not respect other religion is a big problem.

        well who are we to decide whom to kill and whom to not.
        thinking good about others is what differentiates hindus from muslims.

      • @Google
        Brother, Arjuna said to Krishna we do not want fight and kill our brothers. But we know if we do not do fight he (Duryodhan) will not let us live peacefully. We are compelled to have fight with them. We(Arjun) have no other option.
        Suppose a person attacks at your house with the intention of raping the women of your house & looting the property. What will you do?
        One option you will do request to him not to do this? If he do not listen your request you will allow him what he want to do.
        Second option You will fight with him to save the women and property of your house.
        Now you have to decide what you want to choose.

      • @ truth sseeker
        we have to be Lord krishna to do what you said
        but unfortunately i’m not lord Krishna and i will never be in dimension for sure.
        so let agniveer reply

        —agniveer still waiting for your reply

      • Dear user!

        // you sound like a terrorist. //
        Terrorizing a terrorist is NOT terrrorism.

        Someone asked Dr. Ali Sina as to why does he disrespects prophet Mohamed and hurts muslim feelings? Ali Sina immediately replied – where were the feelings of NON Muslims whom prophet Mohamed insulted other dieties?

        So, nothing is wrong in fighting against a muslim.

        // but unfortunately i’m not lord Krishna and i will never be in dimension for sure. //
        You are NOT GOD but you can be in due course of time. Vedic literature says that
        सर्वं खल्वमिदं ब्रह्म।
        We all have potential to be GOD.

        If Muslims can quote Quran and say – we must kill the oppressors, why we can’t quote Gita and say – we must kill evil tyrants? The explanation by Truth Seeker Sir is correct. Muslims dont understand any other language.

        // thinking good about others is what differentiates hindus from muslims. //
        Where will these values lead to? Kasab and Afzal are enjoying in prison and many people living below poverty line. Doesn’t this indirectly gives motivation to be a terrorist? Every single nation came to IND to prove their might. Turks, Afghans, Arabs, Portuguese, Dutch, Greeks, British – all invaded us due to these values. What have we got in return? We need some sensible solution. Mere bigotry is NOT going to help anymore.

        // agniveer still waiting for your reply //
        Team Agniveer is busy. You can contact them at agniveer @ agniveer.com and aryamusafir @ agniveer.com (without space).

        यदि एक हिन्दू, मुसलमान अथवा ईसाई बन जाए तो यह मत समझो कि हिन्दुओ की जनसंख्या घट गई, बल्कि यह जानो की हिन्दूओ का एक शत्रु अधिक हो गया।
        – स्वामी विवेकानन्द …

  25. (peace be upon you)Asalaam Walaikum everyone…

    @Agniveer, your concept, POV & opinion on every detail on the above page is the TRUTH according to YOU, but over 22% of earth’s population being the Muslim’s do not agree to this,

    It’s amazing how in one page you write:- we are all humans and must not hurt each other and live in peace And on the other page you’ve written the word “Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam”, So according to this concept of yours, you want all of us to Rest in peace-as in DIE, by joining the Vedas.. come on, seriously!

    And not only that, but you are hurting the belief of all true Muslims who have faith on Prophet Mohammed(peace be upon him) and the holy Qur’an which in fact teaches almost all the same things your Vedas do about believing in ONE GOD, BTW I’ve only read about Vedas on your own page..

    I’m not referring to all your other pages as I haven’t read them & to be honest I don’t feel like reading any of the others after the dis-respect you’ve showed towards islam & the muslims…

    I respect all religions as all re-direct to the same (ONE GOD)…but I don’t respect your ideas because all your trying to do, is create nuisance and the above non-sense shows how much your trying to divert humans from one religion to another..

    Bottom line is :-
    “if you truly believe in the One God/your Vedas, you would not have written anything against any religion or anyone”.

    “you shall not judge anyone(in this case Prophet Mohammed) by their actions as this should be left to God, as he would judge us all, by our deeds”.

    • Brother Tanveer!

      The rule of knowing truth says – Truth contains many aspects and all those who claim on knowing it shall know all of them completely. There is a URDU proverb (Hope you know it) – it says NEEM HAKEEM KHATRA _ E _ JAAN. Translated to English, it becomes: Little knowledge is very dangerous. Please before making any perception about Agniveer, you shall read this.
      http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-peace/
      It seems that you forgot to go through – “”Please review ‘What does Agniveer stand for’ before reading any article on the site to understand the context and intent of Agniveer.”” Good thing brother that you respect all religions. Vedas also comment same. But, many Muslims today claim that they only travel on true path. Fanatics are many like Zakir Naik etc. who tell lies about Bible and Vedas to convert anybody to Islam. If all muslims wholeheartedly think the way you do then Agniveer won’t come into play at all. Agniveer is NEITHER against peace NOR is it against Islam. It is only against misconceptions shaping minds of people.

      |||this should be left to God, as he would judge us all, by our deeds|||
      Whose idea you copied? Bcoz Quran says that believers shall go to Jannat. Non Believers shall go to hell. Zakir Naik himself accepts that. There is Youtube video where he proves that good non muslims shall eternally go to hell. This implies that Allah only judges based on belief and not based on actions.
      If you believe that GOD judges by deeds not by beliefs, nothing better than that. If you are not mislead by violent teaching of Quran / Hadith, you need not bother. You are already on right path. Agniveer isn’t against you in that case.

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  27. परम आदरणीय श्री वाज़ जी ,हम केवल ईश्वर पर भरोसा करते है व हमारे दिमाग में तर्क भरा हुआ है सत्य को जानने के लिए तर्क करना पड़ता है, किसी विशेष किताब की अंध भक्ति नहीं करना चाहते है १ जो हमारी बुद्धि में सही लगेगा वह बात मान्य है, बाक़ी नहीं !

  28. manniy javie ji , apke allah ji ne akhirat ke liye “hi ” yah sansar kyo banaya ? kya sansar banane ke pahale allah ji alsi the ? iske pahale allah ji kya karte the ?ap sahi raste par hai ya galat raste par hai? iski janch kaise ho ? is par bhi to vichar kijiye ? allah ji yah duniya kyo banai ? allah ji bando ki pariksha kyo lenge ? pariksha to vahi leta hai jo bande ke vishay me jankari nahi rakhta ho ? banda sahi karega ya galat karega ? quran to jhuthi siddh ho chuki hai ! aap batlaye quran sahi kaise hai ? jab quran hi sahi nahi hai, tab allah ji kaise sahi ho sakte hai ! isliye turant quran ka sath chod dijiye, isime hi jyada samajhdari hai !

  29. i m a muslim and i wanna clear 1 thing 2 u all dat islam is a religion which teaches its ppl peace. our religion doesnt allow us 2 look down upon any other religion. but v hav d rite 2 spread our religion.in d above post i hv read dat islam started by hazrat MUHAMMAD (saw) here i wud like 2 say dat it actually startd with the birth of hazrat ADAM(AS). this whole universe was created just 4 MUHAMMAD(SAW). ppl says dat hinduism was the oldest religion of d world but d truth is dat islam is d oldest religion. hinduism was startd aftr the death of hazrat SHEESH(AS) who is the son of hazrat adam(as). d 1st thing adam did aftr his arrival in world was 2 bow down on his knees nd he was 4gvn by allah when he recitd dis ayat: la illa ha illallahu muhammad ur rasullallah. dis thing clearly tells us dat allah created each nd evrthng 4 HAZRAT MUHAMMAD(SAW)

    another thing i wnt to clear nd dat is dat if any one looks around him or even look at himself he will defintly think dat there is some supreme power who hs creatd dis universe and dat being is defintly out of dis universe bcoz if it had been from among us he wud nt b able 2 control everything. and if there had been any1 else except allah den there wud b no puntuality in anythng. sun and moon rises on time and sets on time. this is all controlld by allah who is only 1.

    jihad is a very imp topic. non muslims believs dat islam teaches its followers to fight the non muslims and 2 kill them. but the truth is that jihad is a kind of war which a muslim fights against an oppressor, an opressor who persuade ppl 2 not 2 follow islam. islam has given human rights. isalm doesnt say 2 kill an innocent. hijjat-ul-wida( the last haj sermon) deliverd by hazrat muhammad (saw) clearly tells us dat it is the responsibilty of a muslim to take care of d life of another person. habeel killed abeel nd he ws punishd by allah his punishment was dat he will b reborn and killd evryday till qiyamah. allah inflicted dis punishment on him bcoz he was the first human to kill another person.

    i…

    • @javie:

      i wud like 2 say dat it actually startd with the birth of hazrat ADAM(AS).

      You may definitely LIKE to say that. But that doesnt make it true 🙁 Adam/Eve never existed.

    • You have the right to “follow” your faith; not “promote” your faith. That is what makes the whole difference.

    • you may like to spread yo16ur faith, as it is the religion of crowd, You yourself are deeply in doubt the religion and its tenets, so you want more and more people to confirm it. IF YOU WANT TO SPREAD YOUR RELIGION you can do that by showing the BEAUTY AND TRUTH OF THE RELIGION IF THERE EVER IS IN THAT PRIMITIVE RELIGION . BUT YOU KNOW , THERE IS NONE SO YOU WANT TO DEFILE AND RIDICULE OTHER RELIGION WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATIONS. SO SOME WEAK HEART FOOL SHEEPS SKIPS TO YOUR BARN, but your religion has no stuff. HOW CAN SOME RELIGION OF DESERT WITHOUT FINERY OF HUMANITIES BE ACCEPTED BY TRUE HUMANS. Any religion which doesn’t come through the 19th century Renaissance has no right to survive. tomorrow man may go to inhabit other planet but am sure you’ll not find Qur’an there beside BHAGWADA GEETA. Hindu religion and its darshan are so scientific that it never collides with any science . GOD FOR US IS SATYAM SHIVAM SUNDARAM, YOUR RELIGION HAS DWELL ON OTHERS WEAKNESS RATHER THAN ITS OWN GREATNESS. WHEN YOUR RAPIST FATHERS INVADED INDIA IT WAS WEAKEST BY ITS OWN STRUGGLES, AND THERE IS NOTHING GREAT ABOUT YOUR CONQUEST. OUR BUDDHISM IS TODAY THE SECOND LARGEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD AND HAVE NEVER SHED A DROP OF BLOOD TO SPREAD IT. ISLAM HAD ONE BEAUTIFUL CHANCE TO BECOME A GREAT RELIGION THAT IS OF ACCEPTING SUFISM IN THEIR FOLD, WHICH THEY REJECTED FOR THEIR EARLY DEATH, SUFISM WILL BE ETERNAL

  30. Hi guyes how are You all.You Know What actually the word “LOGIC” means,most people prove things logically.I am not balming anyone my be they have there own logic to prove and relate somthing to somthing.

    A logical person can transform your mind,by giving some logic.
    One question is there “Who is the most important person for you,who was the reason to create you” May be you parents…You Love them a Lot.
    A person who is a enmey of you parents will logically transform your mind.”THEY WILL SAY KILL YOUR PARENTS,GOD CREATED YOU,YOUR PARENTS WERE JUST A MEDIUM”.

    Mutual Friend condition is applied
    A–>B–>C
    A is a friend of B.
    B is a friend of C.
    Therefore A is a friend of C. (This is proved logically,Which is not true every time).
    No hard words for SRI Zakir Nayak,but he does the same thing(A–>B–>C).
    i was reading his artical on IRF.
    Look how he relates things.
    Consider for Sikhism.
    Guru Nanak was influenced by sant kabir,
    Kabir told “somthing” refer it (http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=208&Itemid=182)
    In Holy Quran similar thing is told.
    Hence proved sikhim is I——- by I—- (Both there religion are mutual friends,A–>B–>C”)

  31. @ man ji, i am not a religious person firstly. I am a simple man, which brain is thoughtful. any true religion is not fear whatever talking about it. truth is only truth,they can not be fear.islam is a great religion because mohammad was a very simple man, he do not desires money,big house,he did not use high gold maded clothing.it is simple leaving. My question is any arab are very rich and stay big house, do not leaving simplicity why? Muhammads are very powerful at that time ,his any desire allah was complited,but mohammad leaving only simple why? Another great prophets jejus say,a cammle will goes a small hole but reach man don’t go why? I am not hatred islam and any religion but saying only truth.

  32. …Suna hai agniveer ne Dr. Zakir Naik Sahab ko debate ke liye pukara hai,par agar Dr. Naik aise hi kisi aire ghaire ko muhn nahi laga sakte kyonki Quran me likha hai-Rahman ke khaas bande wo hain jo zameen par aajizi se chlte hain aur jab jahil unse ulajhte hain to kahte hain___SALAM__
    shayad aisa hi kuchh kaha tha Naik sahab ne kyonki unhone Islam ko achchhi tarhan se padha hai aur dusre mazhabon ko bhi.
    Bhala jab Itne unchi unchi hasti jise duniya maanti thi unki Naik Sahab (Islam) ke saamne na chali jaise Swami Sri Sri Ravishankar, Dr, William kambil,Jain, aur bahut se log to ye agniveer ki kya hasiyat jo unke saath plat form par tik sakega.
    Oh magar me bhul gaya ki Dr. Naik se debate karne ke liye agniveer jaise shatano ko kai janm lene padenge…magar off kon isko bataye ki jo duniya se jata hai wo duniya me kabhi lot kar nahi ata hai,phir jannat ya jahannum hi thikana hoti hai jahan koi maott nahi.
    ***Bura mat manna agniveer meine tumhe shatan isliye kaha kyonki quran me Allah farmata hai-
    “HUMNE HAR DORR ME MOMINO KE SATH KUCHH SHAITAN JINNO AUR INSAANO ME SE PAIDA KIYE.”

    • shayad kuran ki kuch ayton me bhi manniy iblees ji ki mahanta a gai hai tabhi bahut se muslim kuran par prash karne valo ko javab nahi de pate hai ! ham jakir nayak ji ke karyalay me bhi apni bat rakh chuke hai , vahan bhi pure javab nahi mile ! tab aur muslim kahan se javab de sakenge , allah to pakshapati hai jo uska virodh kare usko ulta hi kahata hai ! allah svayam apni tauheen iblees ji se karva chuka hai !kya khuda ji ko pata nahi tha ki jo adesh ham farishton ko denge usme iblees ji nahi manenge ! tab aisa adesh kyo diya ! kya koi khuda ka bhakt kahalane vala is batka javab dega ?

    • @ asif
      u guys r so much blinded by just another human being, Dr. Naik that u now even think wht he wants u to think. if u believe him so much so than why dont u regard him as the latest prophet.. atleast he is much better than the orginal one for he is not into so much violence and extremism.
      but on the other hand i and any thinking human being wud just regard him as just another person who speaks and memorizes well enough

      ***…Suna hai agniveer ne Dr. Zakir Naik Sahab ko debate ke liye pukara hai,par agar Dr. Naik aise hi kisi aire ghaire ko muhn nahi laga sakte kyonki Quran me likha hai-Rahman ke khaas bande wo hain jo zameen par aajizi se chlte hain aur jab jahil unse ulajhte hain to kahte hain___SALAM__
      shayad aisa hi kuchh kaha tha Naik sahab ne kyonki unhone Islam ko achchhi tarhan se padha hai aur dusre mazhabon ko bhi.***
      i will tell u why naik sahib is not willing to debate agniveer.. thats bcz he knows that his whole motive is to refute naik’s ideology unlike other who Dr claims to have beaten.. and if agniveer is just a aira gaira than Mr. Naik is more gaya gujra than agniveer for he doesnt have the balls to debate him. and wht ever is written is quran applies to u guys only so dont even try to push it on others. aur Dr. naik ne kiya hi kya hai sivaye padne ke.. thats why he doesnt think but only quotes wht has already been written by others. i bet even a small thinking kid can debate him and wud laugh at Dr’s illogical logics.

      ***Bhala jab Itne unchi unchi hasti jise duniya maanti thi unki Naik Sahab (Islam) ke saamne na chali jaise Swami Sri Sri Ravishankar, Dr, William kambil,Jain, aur bahut se log to ye agniveer ki kya hasiyat jo unke saath plat form par tik sakega.***
      This dr is such a unintelligent person that he doesnt even know when to debate and wen to discuss. Mr ravi shankar is as human as Dr himself and they were together to peek into the similarities between islam and hinduism but thanks to single track mindedness of Dr that he always tries to refute wht is not in his religion and drags everything into a debate… and ravi shankar did wht any intelligent person wud have done… accept and stop the debate so as not to push the illogical debate ne further. if i was in ravi shankar’s place i wud have left the scene laughing at his logics. but since he is noble enough and being Dr’s guest he did not leave and accepted… hope u have heard a muhabara.. “aaa bail mujhe maar”…. this is wht ravi shankar tried to avoid….
      and as regards dr william. he is as dumb a doctor as Dr naik himself… his mentality and logics were as illogical as Dr naik’s. and talking of haisiyat…… Dr naik ki haisiyat to varkha dutt ne ache se dikha di thee NSTV pe…. wen she stopped him from talking all the crap and taking everything to ‘quran says this and quran says that’ .. he was told in plain words not to preach religion but debate.. which he didnt have the capacity to do and kept quite almost all through the debate.. wht a dumbbb Dr.

      ***Oh magar me bhul gaya ki Dr. Naik se debate karne ke liye agniveer jaise shatano ko kai janm lene padenge…magar off kon isko bataye ki jo duniya se jata hai wo duniya me kabhi lot kar nahi ata hai,phir jannat ya jahannum hi thikana hoti hai jahan koi maott nahi.
      ***Bura mat manna agniveer meine tumhe shatan isliye kaha kyonki quran me Allah farmata hai-
      “HUMNE HAR DORR ME MOMINO KE SATH KUCHH SHAITAN JINNO AUR INSAANO ME SE PAIDA KIYE.” ***
      well according to u if agniveer is a shaitaan according to Quran than i m sorry to say that Quran is total rubbish bcz if we think logically considering the deeds he does than mohammad himself was a much more prominent shaitaan who spent most of his life fighting wars. agnivver to sirf ek website chalate hain… mohammad to puree army chalate the.
      well i think u r a pretty good muslim and wud surely go to jannat.. hope allah gives u the internet facality in jannat and u r able to write back to me to tell me abt the different facilities u have there…
      aur asif tum bhee bura mat manna bcz according to the laws of evolution only those who adapt, survive…hence i m feeling sad to tell u that islam is on its path to self destruction…. which is very much proved by the fact that majority of humans being killed on earth are muslims. no matter how hard they try to survive as a last desparate attempt,, they still are going to perish unless they evolve and change according to the changing human thinking and ideologies.

      • too good. Why don’t they keep their islam to themselves. and this zakir looks so dumb that even our kg students will ridicule him. just have one quesion to this naiks, that prove yourself without swords and petro dollars at least once

  33. @
    dipanakar

    dharmic log apne dharm ka parchar karte hain na ki doosre dharm ki burai.

    jaise ki tum islam ki kar rahe ho.

    par hamesha sachchai shuru men kadwi lagti hai.

    aur islam ki burai karna chod do warna jo baten tum islam ke khilaf kar rahe ho wo hinduism ke khilaf ho sakti hain.

    aur bahut se aise behuda log hain jo bure shabd use karte hain. aur ye sabit karta hai ki unki zaban kaali hai.

    • manniy man ji , jab kuran me murti puja ki burai hai , lat ujja adi ki burai hai , manniy iblees ji ki burai hai ussebacha kar rahane ki takid bhi hai , tab apki bate vahn par kyo nahi lagu hoti hai vaise hi agar koi islam ka pardafash kara chahta hao usse apko kya taklif hai ! aagr koi bat galat hai to uska javab dijiye ! kya kisi ko adh vishvas kuritiyo v galat niyam me bandhe vyakti ko sachhai nahi batlani chahiye ! ap bshak hindu dharm ki burai ka parda fash kijiye yah to ek achhi bat hai hamko to pahale se hi apni kamjoriyan malom hai ! ham ume bhi sudhar chahte hai , v usko hatana bhi chahte hai ! ap to svaym andh vishvsi hai tabhi ap kah rahe hai” yakin ” kar lo 1 yakin kisi par kyo kiya jaye ? uski pariksha kyo n li jaye usko jancha kyo n jaye 1 yakin hi to andh vishvas sikhlta hai !

      • Pardafash?
        Sabit kar sakte ho islam galat hai aur hinduism sahee?
        jaise agniveer je islam ko galat sabit karne ki koshish kar rahen hain.
        par kaise karenge sahi ko galat?

        aur agar tumko galat lagta bhi hai to.

        phir islam hi kyun?
        cristian ka bhi karo
        buddhist ka bhi karo
        hinduism ka bhi karo aakhir tum log vedantist ho. aur tumlogon ke hisab se ye sab galat hain.

        aur kyun nahi media ke zariye pardafash karte ho tum log
        is tarah article likhne se kya fayda.

        kyunki poore world men
        90% logo ke dimag men bhoosa hai jo ki mante hain ALLAH ko, muhammad ko, eesa ko, jannat and dozakh ko, qyamat ko aur 10% logon ke paas aql hai jo mante hain ki ye sab galat hai.

      • manniy man ji, kabhi ap “styarth prkash” padhiye ap dekhenge ki islam ki alochna akhir me ki gai hai apne samuday ki alochna bahut jyada ki gai gai apko shikayat bhi kafi kam ho jayegi ! agniveer ji muslim to sari duniya me keval 1400 sal bad bhi 22% hi hai , usse jyada nahi hai , aur dekhiyega ab unka pratishat bhi aur kam ho jayega !

      • @man
        mai saabit kar sakta hoon.

        Saboot yeh hai ki duniya ki 80% abaadi kaffir hai, momin sirf 20% hai. Agar tumhare allah me dum hota to saari duniya muslim paida hoti. HAHA

        saari duniya, western countries, russia, china, India, thailand, phillipines, nigeria, sudan, SAARI duniya me kaffir momin khe khilaf lad rahe hai.

        Matlab islam me kuch to galtiyan hain. Ham hindu akele thodi na islam ke khilaf hai.
        Doosri, baat, hum hindu baki minority se nafrat nahi karte, sirf muslim se, kuch to khaami hogi aap me, jara apne jahan me jhaak ke dekhiye.

      • Ankade mat lagao.
        saboot do.

        waise tum log muslims se nafrat kar sakte ho aur baki log bhi.

        but
        muslims kisi se nafrat nahi karte
        unka kaam hai logon ko islam ki taraf bulana aur yahi unko khalta hai kyun ki islam men jhooth bolna, sharab peena, naachna dance karna, chori karna, kisi ka haq marna, jism bechna aur jitne bhi bure kaam hain haram hain.

        isiliye islam sabse alag hai.

        aj tumlog bhale hi na mano aur shayad marte dam tak mano par marne ke baad afsose zaroor hoga tum logon ko.

        aur mujhe bhi hoga ki main apne bhayio ko samjha na saka aur ise chamchagiri mat samjho mujhe ye sab karne ki kya padi main to apni zindagi aram se bita raha hun, lekin hamen apna farz nahi bhoolna hai.

        ALLAH chahta to puri dunya ke logon ko muslim bana sakta hai ya paida kar sakta hai par tab.

        aazmaish/imtehan hi kahan hogi?

        yehi to hamari azmaish hai aur jab non-muslim islam ko kaboolta hai to samjho use a ka grade milta hai.

        main to sirf samjha sakta hun aur kuch nahin.

        Chahe tum islam ko mano ya na mano ya use jhootha kaho, ye haq allah ne tumko sirf dunya men diya hai akhrat men sirf uski marzi chalegi sirf uski aur wahan koi jhoothe bahane nahi bana sakta.

        ab agar tum kahoge ki
        ALLAH kyun hai to?
        to marne ke baad khud jakar ALLAH se puch lena 🙂

        lekin mujhe ALLAH per apne ap se bhi zyada yakeen hai aur har sachche muslim ko hai.

        aur tumlogon ki bekar ki logic aur ootpatang sawal hamare yakeen ko kum nahin aur badhate hain.

        chahe tumlog ise andhwishwas kaho ya jo bhi.

      • @man
        Ankade mat lagao?
        Just check, muslims are fighting / in conflict with non-muslims in , USA, europe, russia (chechnya) china(zinjiang) thailand (yala, pattani) philippines (mindanao) sudan (southern sudan) israel, nigeria, cyprus, ethiopia, Even in muslim countries like algeria, the radical islamist party (F.I.S.) is fighting the largely secular government. Your urdu papers refer to islamist militant terrorists as “islam pasand ” ( I can read bits of urdu) . So where are muslims having a live and let live attitude with non-muslims? aur muslims kisi se nafrat nahi karte? next time dont talk, atleast on this website, all intellectuals here.

        Rahi akhirat ki baat, tera allah mera kuch nahi bigad sakta. mera shankar bhagwaan mujhe swarg prapti dega, aur mujhe bhi waha per 72 hoor pariyan milegi. Burkha dhari, purdanasheen muslim pariyan :))

      • allah ne yh duniya sirf akhrat k liye bnay ha or wo dekhna chahta ha k uske bnde aqal se kaam le kr islam kabuul kre g ya phr aqal pr taala lga kr kufr ikhtyar kre ge. or agr 20 percnt log musalman ha to apko yh bhi pata hona chahye k jannat mei bhi boht kam log kay ge. aap jese kaafir to kabhi bhi jannat mei nh jaye ge. aapk sath bhi namrood or pharoah wala haal hoga. hm musalmano ka kaam sirf ap jeso ko sahi rasta btana ha baqi aplogo ki marzi ha.

      • @waz
        We believe Allah is all powerful & he do not need any assistant of any angles to impart knowledge to prophet. Just will of Allah is enough to fill one’s mind with knowledge. & Allah no need to speak “Kun” to create the universe. Roughly we can say just will/desire of Allah enough to create the universe. Although Allah has no desire but it is his/her eternal nature to create universe for the benefit of souls.

  34. Bhai
    ap janch padtal kijiye
    par 1 baat yaad rakhiye
    Jaanch padtal men kaheen der na ho jaye.

    aur bina ALLAH/ISHWAR par yakeen rakhe bina hi kahin agar apki maut ho gai to.

    ….

  35. Islam is a fake religion,because he depends upon fake, islams importance only allah,not man, but reality is only leaving in whole world as man,where leaving allah? What is allah doing man only fear? Why he say surrender of allah? Only reason is heaven. But present life man also be leaving hell why? Why allah not importance on man, why he hatred man? Any muslims answering this statement.

      • manniy man ji ishvar ya allah par yakin kyo rakkha jaye ? pahale uski janch kyo n ki jaye ? pahale usko janiye ,samajhiye ! tab usko maniye ! isme apko kya taklif hai jara yah bhi to batlaiye / yakin karne se andhvishvas ka janm hota hai isliye us par yakin m karke usko sabse pahale janna v samajhna chahiye ! apna to yahi vichar hai , baki aap samjhaye ?

    • KISNE KAHA APSE KI PRESENT LIFE JAHANNUM KI TARHAN HO JATI HAI,AAPNE SHAYAD ARAB KA NAAM NAHI SUNA WAHAN JAAKAR DEKHIYE HAR MUSLIM KITNA ZYADAH AMEER AUR KHUSH HAI MAGAR PHIR BHI SHARAB AUR ZABARDASTI, QATL CHORI AADI SE BACHKAR ZINDAGI JEETE HAIN.
      ***Hum muslims ke paas Arab jaisa ek mahadeep hai jahan shirk ka namonishan bhi nahi.

      • fir saudee arab me hi kyo nahi bas jate ! n jane kitni ladkiyo ki halat arbi muslim barbad karte hai hamesha sex un par ” havi ” rahata hai , “petrodalar ” ke bal par rais [ameer ] jarur hai lekin achhe manushy hargij nahi hai 1 agar apko bhi achhe lagte hai to ap bhivahi kyo nah bas jate kamse kam kisi murti ke darshan to nahi honge ! butparast desh me kyo rahate hai !

      • @asif
        Hum mussalamn ke paas ek mahadweep hai, (arabian peninsula) jaha per shirk ka namonishan nahi hai.

        Bharat bhi ek (peninsula) hai, jaha se islam ka namonishan mitana hai, aur jaha per sirf shirk rahega

        jai shri ram

      • ham to hare hai apno se , gairo me kahan dam tha, hamari kishti vahan dubi jahan pani kam tha ! ham apki chunauti svikar kar lete . kyoki apki bat me to dam hi nahi hai ! lekin afsos hamare pas kuch talkat ki kami hai jab vah poorn ho jayegi tab aap svata: hamare jyada najdik a jayenge !,

      • manniy sam ji , agar apme dam ho to hamari bat ka javab dijiye , ky khud ji ke “do hath” hai ? [dikhiye kuran 38/75 ] kya jiske do hath ho usko khud kaha ja sakta hai ? ishwar ya sarvshaktiman koi vyakti nahi balki ek shakti ka nam hai ! fir jiske do hath ho use to koi vyakti hi kaha ja sakega ! jiske do hath ho use khuda kyo kaha jaye? use khuda kyo mana jaye isliye sabhi muslimo ko turant islam ka tyag kar dena chahiye , nahi to hamari bat ka uttar dena chshiye !

  36. Hi Everyone,

    I have been following the debate on this site for quite some time. It helped me to know so many things about vedas as well as the quran.

    To be frank I had never personally read vedas or quran either. I have a simple doubt in my mind since some time and hope someone can clear it here…..

    As per my understanding and also as mentioned by someone elsewhere in this ongoing debate above, the Quran says (Muhammmed claims) that the Almighty god has sent messengers to every nook and corner of the world in order to spread his message. And the message spread by them has been distorted in the due course of time and hence the Almighty god has sent Muhammed as his last messenger to spread his message in the form of quran.

    So now, I searched google for the messengers mentioned in Quran. And I found around 25 names of the messengers recognised as prophets in Quran. And surprisingly all these 25 names are from middle east (in and around Israel, Saudi Arabia etc…..). Not even one name from other places has been found.

    Does this mean that so called messengers to every nation on this earth are not worthy enough when compared to the messengers from middle east?

    My conclusion out of this is, Muhammed or any other person who has written the quran has gone through the religious literature available to them at that point of time, which was obviously none other than Jewish literature and the Christian literature. They were manipulated and modified to suit their requirements (Old Wine in New Bottle) and a major propaganda has been undertaken to make the people believe that, the quran is the last word of god.

    If for instance

    1. We believe that quran is the last word of god

    2. From the time Muhammed has given us the word of god in the form of quran (roughly around 600 AD), from that time to till date anyone who doesn’t recite quran and doesn’t pray allah will go to hell directly on his death………..

    What about the fate of populations that could not be accessed by anyone on this earth till almost 1700 AD such as American continent and Australia. Will all the native population of these continents will go to hell for the reason that, the so called prophet Muhammed could not reach them for almost 1100 years after receiving the god’s last word. Is it the mistake of the native populations of these inaccessible places or the mistake of Muhammed who could not reach them for more than 1100 long years???????

    I am confused here, why any god will severely punish the people for no mistake of theirs?

    Hope I have explained what I actually intended to…………. Anyone who gets my point of contention, please give clarifications…………

    Thanks & Regard,
    Sree.

  37. hi everyone. i hav been trying to get some knowledge about different religious books specially vedas since 2months now…. thanks to a muslim fren of mine who tried his best to prove to me that islam was the only true religion of the world and that allah is the only god… but since i am not much of a god person and believe more on humanity and nature and the power of human mind… it didnt bother me much.
    but it surely did inspire me to gather some knowledge abt different religions…… read the history of islam and abt sanatana dharma…. and concluded that vedas are too old and sophisticated to be understood by a ordiniary man like us unless u put ur mind and body to acquire that knowledge…. since a path to god shudnt be that easy.
    not i just hit ur site and this forum…. after listenening to mr. zakir’s claims on vedas on peace tv (which seems more like a comedy to me) been watching and listening to him for few months.. and he really makes me laugh again and again… i think he is such a innocent guy who just thinks on single track and relates everything to islam to suit his motives..he is too occupied in these worldly things (religious matters)to get close to the real god that resides with in each of us. the only thing i appreciate in him is that he is a good speaker and with excellent capacity to memorise…. other wise i dont consider him ne better than various cheap hindu gurus who trap people to meet their worldly and religious desires….. infact i think he is one of the best salesman in the world.
    one thing i purely believe is that a good human doesnt need to prove that he is good ( i.e. doesnt need to sell himself or his. religion to others) goodness and truth speaks for itself someday….. so if islam is truely a true religion than people will automaticaly follow it since god has surely given us brain to distinguish between right and wrong. and same stands true for hinduism or ne other religion…. no need to preach.. no one is getting extra commission for getting more people converted….. (i wonder which religion does all animals belong to)
    i strongly ne human who has enough time to think and read all teh books has the capacity to debate like him.. i bet if he was practicing normally like a doctor.. he wudnt have been that intlecctual of a person to speak so much tirelessly.
    the point is if today i decide that i wish to form a new religion and start a new movement with new ideologies… i can very well do it…. just need to pursuade few people who have nothing to do and than ask them to spread the same ( like a network marketing business) ofcoure in return of a heavenly place which has been revealed to me by some god….
    well unfortunately we have enough of such people in india (radha swami ji, baba lal ji etc) who have millions of followers in inda and abroad… i wonder if neone of them is the last prophet…..
    all this crap sometimes makes me think that even i might be the last messenger….
    who says so?????
    well i do……like prophet said.
    so what makes him different from me?????
    i think he was little more violent than me…. so doesnt it make me better messenger than him????
    sorry not criticizing ne one or nething.. just saying that use such forums to gain knowledge and not to find a chance to convert other’s faiths….
    i lost a fren bcz he was needlessly trying to convert me to islam and now i dont even consider him a good human bcz the only thing he did was trying to criticize hinduism and prove his religious superiority…..
    no wonder why muslims are so isolated socially in this world. its like no one wants to get along with a not so noble and intelligent student of the class.
    well i can go on and on without refeering to ne verse or book.. bcz i dont need to go through them to know whts right and whts wrong….. that capacity is within us and no sacred book can teach us that.

    • @great user name:

      That was a long post, but a thoroughly enjoyable one.

      Yes, I too have tried asking my-way-or-the-highway-to-hell-type intellectual terrorists of Christian/Muslim persuasion what exactly is the criteria to be classified as a prophet but none of them has the intellectual courage to answer this. The answer, of course, is that all this business of Adam, Jesus, Son of God, Mohammed, last prophet, eternal hellfire, blasphemy, apostasy, etc. is a big stinking collection of rat poo. They are basically doing this.

      Welcome to our forum where we expose intellectual terrorists.

      • @ kalbhairav:
        good to know that u enjoyed why i wrote…. it wasnt as technical as u r guys r wen it comes to books and verses though……………..
        so r u part of agniveer too???? well if u r wud u please help me know where i cud get the most accurate and reliable translations of vedas and quran….. i surely wish to update my knowledge of how human depend so much on such books instead of exploring the true knowledge on their own…
        do i need to learn sanskrit for the best learning of vedas???
        or do i need to practice dhayana to link myself with the true almighty and gain eternal knowledge…. :)) (its not a easy path to follow in such times of kalyug)
        hope u guys fulfill my thrist for knowedge and help me in this regard…

      • Namaste @even i cud be the next prophet

        i surely wish to update my knowledge of how human depend so much on such books instead of exploring the true knowledge on their own…

        No need to update yourself ..just enlighten us how to gain true knowledge without books 🙂

        I think it’s possible but don’t know how…so before you update yourself with vedas ..kindly update me with how you manage now

      • @ indian agnostic:
        well sir…. i believe in myself (like everyone does) ;))
        but jokes apart i also feel that wht ever i have been reading in ur and other’s wealth of knowledge is already in me and i am always in the process of exploring it and learning from it (everyone has it in themself.. isnt it wht vedas say? the true knowledge with in ourself)
        i just try to judge wht ever i do to be right or wrong… if i do something wrong i always know i will have to bear the fruits of my deed here in this life and if i do something good i just know its gonna improve the world a bit more……. dont need much of the book learning to accomplish that.. do i…
        u r more learned person than me i suppose… that is why i need some genuine help from u guys…. i know wht ever i m writing might be just be childish talks to u … but i hav bigger aims ever since i was born.. bigger aims than just getting to know things in sacred books.
        hope i m not waisting the time of agniveer team. 🙂

      • Namaste @even i cud be the next prophet… 🙂

        well sir…. i believe in myself (like everyone does) 😉
        well sir ..you indeed are unique ..like everybody else 😉

        i know wht ever i m writing might be just be childish talks to u …
        It aint at all..it resonates very well with all who recognize that the moral compass is to be found within and not without

        but i hav bigger aims ever since i was born.. bigger aims than just getting to know things in sacred books.

        I appreciate your viewpoint ..you must too 😉

        if you know that sacred books wont help you in realizing your bigger dreams ..your hunt for a translation of vedas is redundant 🙂

        Regards

      • thanx @ indian agnostic
        for recognising my views but i m surprised u that u didnt get my point completely in these lines:
        but i hav bigger aims ever since i was born.. bigger aims than just getting to know things in sacred books.
        welll it doesnt mean that i dont need to study them. instead it means that i am aiming to go beyond just reading vedas which may be leading to other yogic practices to feel the same knowledge and virtue myself..
        its like u learn to cook but than u prepare ur own dishes with the knowledge u hav to feel the real taste of ur hardwork…..
        hope u get my point now….
        on the other hand if u r hesitating to accept my request .. thats all fine with me… guess u dont believe in the principle of sharing much 🙂 want to keep the entire knowledge with urself? 🙂 clever……… hahhahaha
        actually the fact is i have been debating my father all life on his religious principles so i now myself wanna experience the real truth by following a path which i believe is much different from the one others use….. ‘bhakti’
        well thanx neway bhayeee … i will some how find my right path and may meet u some other day…. have fun and keep up the good work …..

      • Namaste @even i cud be the next prophet… 🙂

        its like u learn to cook but than u prepare ur own dishes with the knowledge u hav to feel the real taste of ur hardwork….

        This is slightly different from your previous position where you said “i surely wish to update my knowledge of how human depend so much on such books instead of exploring the true knowledge on their own…”

        that sounds more like – you want to cook delicious meals without the cookbook 😉

        anyways , i stand corrected with your recent clarification

        On the other hand if u r hesitating to accept my request .. thats all fine with me… guess u dont believe in the principle of sharing much

        That’s not a smart guess when this is what you earlier said “also feel that wht ever i have been reading in ur and other’s wealth of knowledge is already in me and i am always in the process of exploring it and learning from it

        since you already know what i know , what help can i be to you 🙂

        regards

      • @ indian agnostic:
        well u seem quite a humourous person urself bcz no matter how simply i intend to put my words, u will always find something to contradict and debate.. dont blame u… guess it has become a habit for u now…… 😉
        However the lines u r highlighting just mean one thing that i intended to learn…… and yes the last one u mention:
        “also feel that wht ever i have been reading in ur and other’s wealth of knowledge is already in me and i am always in the process of exploring it and learning from it”..
        whts wrong in that… the knowledge is in every one … one has to just realize his true self to know the all. and this is not a process which takes place in a blink of eye but takes lots of learning and experience… and as i wrote i m always in the process of exploring and learning…. guess u didnt catch that. 😉
        neways regards to u too……:)

      • Namaste @even i cud be the next prophet… 🙂

        well u seem quite a humourous person urself bcz no matter how simply i intend to put my words, u will always find something to contradict and debate.. dont blame u… guess it has become a habit for u now……

        Good lord ..you have all this to say, even when i agreed with your clarification !

        Didn’t i say ” i stand corrected” ..guess you didn’t catch that 😉

        whts wrong in that… the knowledge is in every one … one has to just realize his true self to know the all. and this is not a process which takes place in a blink of eye but takes lots of learning and experience

        On a serious note, i would request you to contemplate on this statement of yours.It has the question as well as the answer IMHO.

        i agree with you that “one has to just realize oneself to know all”
        but i find it in contraction to the next part which says it “takes lots of learning and experience”

        can a journey “without” lead to a destination “within” ?

      • @ indian agnostic:
        no bro i realy appreciate taht .. infact i wasnt saying nething abt that…but abt these lines :
        “since you already know what i know , what help can i be to you”

        gave u an example…….. there is a big difference between learning to cook and cooking urself. 🙂
        i suppose a good learner is the one who leaves no oppurtunity to learn but than uses only wht seems desirable to self.
        plz correct me if i m wrong abt wht i wud say now……
        just reading vedas wont lead us to salvation or give us the eternal knowledge and virtue…..if that was the case there wud have been lots of people who wud have been preaching vedas like Dr zakir is preaching quran. i suppose vedas wud help direct a person towards the correct path …. but whether a person gets to the destination, totally depends on his self belief and will…
        i i just intended to use the knowledge in vedas as a light which wud help me find the true knowledge myself the same way it was first garnered by our ancesters and rishis through extensive spiritual methods….
        as a understand it that to read and learn whts in vedas one needs to hav good knowledge of sanskrit language but the real knaowledge thats within us has no language… sanskrit is just the way we interpret it so that others can atleast try to understand it…….. i have always believed that reading shud always be followed by practical learning.. isnt that why we do practicals in class after theory classes…
        that alone is my only intention…
        hope it awnsers ur without and within question,,,,, 🙂

        regards

      • Namaste @even i cud be the next prophet… 🙂

        I understand it that to read and learn whts in vedas one needs to hav good knowledge of sanskrit language but the real knaowledge thats within us has no language… sanskrit is just the way we interpret it so that others can atleast try to understand it

        I agree.

        1) Language is the beast that projects as well as confounds the truth. If there was no language, no untruth could be told but no truth could be shared either 🙁
        2)If the language has intrinsic problems( structure,grammar etc), then the probability of the stated message being misinterpreted becomes much higher.

        Even Samskrit can’t help on #1 but it helps us a lot in avoiding #2. That’s why the insistence and preference given to samskrit by ‘seers’ (Rishis)

        and you are right, the Self within is a “See-r”, no language is required for a seeing 🙂

        isnt that why we do practicals in class after theory classes…that alone is my only intention…hope it awnsers ur without and within question,,,,,

        all practicals and theories enhance our understanding of the “without”. It’s just that with every practical we understand the “without” in a much better way than our previous understanding.

        can this ever refining understanding of the “without” ..give us a an understanding of the “within” some fine day? that was my question 🙂

        Regards

      • @even i cud be the next prophet
        yeah, please enlighten me also on ‘how to gain true knowledge without books’.

      • @EICBTNP:

        No, I am not part of Agniveer team although I support their endeavour.

        i surely wish to update my knowledge of how human depend so much on such books instead of exploring the true knowledge on their own

        Theory and practice go hand in hand and complement one another. It is not an either/or issue.

        Personally, I have copies of the Upanishads and commentaries on the Vedas published by the Ramakrishna Math. They seem to have an online bookstore that may help you in your search.

      • PROPHET ZAKIR NAIK AND HIS WAHHABIS MASTERS IN ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES (SAHIH HADITHS AND OTHER HADITHS).

        Allah and Prophet Mohammad warned Muslims against Shaitan of Najd (Wahhabis) and its Stooges like Zakir Naik who will divide Ummah, who recite Quran but Quran will not go beyond their throat, who will kill or support killers of Muslim etc see below verses.

        Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: The Prophet (s)said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen.” The People said, “And also on our NAJD.” He said, “O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! And also on our NAJD.” I think the third time the Prophet (s) said, “There (in NAJD) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan.”
        Sahi Bukhari (Book #88, Hadith #214)

        Allama Dahlan narrates an authentic Hadith in his book “Addarus Sunniah”, which he has quoted from Sihaah. The Holy Prophet (Sallalaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is reported to have said: “There will rise a group of people in the East who will recite the Holy Quran, but alas, the Quran will not go beyond their throat. This group will keep rising till the Day of Judgement and they will eventually rise with Dajjal.” “Their main symbol will be to sit in groups.” (Halqa) (from Bukhari Sharief, Vol. iii)

        http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f20/hadiths-on-najd-wahabism-31284/

        See the above Hadiths verses clearly refers to Wahabis and Zakir Naik

        Zakir Naik has divided the Ummah along the lines of Wahhabi, Sunni, Shias, Sufis and Ahmadiyas. He supported Bin Laden who killed many Muslims. Zakir Naik’s getup only shows that he follows Quran till throat below throat he wears Kufr western clothes and not following Sunnah clothes. Zakir Naik speaks hours and hours of lecture to wear Hijab and Sunnah clothing to woman and others but himself never wears Sunnah Clothing at Public. . Even DEOBANDIS ADVOCATES THIS TRUTH ABOUT WAHHABIS AND ZAKIR NAIK.

        http://deoband.8m.net/custom3.html

  38. Agniveer is making self claim statements

    After all Quran was written 20 years after Muhammad’s death, there was no oral tradition of memorizing and protecting Quran in Muhammad’s times and his favorite followers were fighting of each others’ lives after Muhammad died! So how can we trust Quran to be authentic?

    But Vedas have an oral tradition since its inception and inbuilt mechanism to prevent any interpolation of even a syllable. So they are definitely the most protected books of the world.

    One book cannot have oral tradition other have just because you are following it. Well atleast I do not malign with other religion to prove my religion. If you want to speak @ Vedas, then just spread the message do not post imaginary claims. Can you prove from Vedas, it was oral tradition and protected? Give me the verse. I just need chapter & verse no. which I can refer to. I will be waiting….

    • Namaste

      So now from analysis of concepts and hurling abuses, detractors of Agniveer have stooped down to level of fictitious allegations. For those who have reviewed this tehelka.com style expose on Agniveer, we would like to make certain brief points:

      a. The second video provided in the link has been put up by the apex official body of Arya Samaj institution. So if one has questions on this, one should directly interrogate the official body and not question Agniveer. Agniveer has simply reiterated the official stand of Arya Samaj.
      b. The videos only vindicate Agniveer’s stand – that Zakir Naik is a fraud who can go to any cheap extent to fool Hindus and Muslims alike. We reassert that we consider Zakir Naik and all those people who justify that non-Muslims would go to Hell regardless of their good deeds, and that apostates should be killed, are actually terrorists and should be given third-degree imprisonment. However this is only a view. It is upon legal authorities to explore this and take rightful action.
      c. These conspiracy-writers have published a letter from Roshan Lal Arya to showcase Agniveer in poor light. However, unfortunately they did not bother to check the authenticity of the letter in their enthusiasm to demean Agniveer. In reality, the Roshan Lal Arya who has written this letter is DIFFERENT from the Roshan Lal Arya who fraudly posed as President of Arya Samaj in the fraud Zakir show.
      d. The Roshan Lal Arya who has written the letter is a friend of Agniveer. He himself has written in letter that he is from Rewari and does not hold any post. He is a follower of Swami Dayanand. You can see Roshan in Agniveer’s friend list in facebook. We keep exchanging mails and have a cordial relationship. It is unfortunate that an innocent person is being unnecessary dragged merely to spread mud on Agniveer because there was no other rightful way to answer Agniveer stand.
      e. In any case, Agniveer has never claimed to be Arya Samaji in institutional sense. Agniveer movement is against fighting all those fundamentalist forces that brew on hatred for non-believers and justify violence/fraud to silence non-believers. And it aims to unite all like-minded forces thriving on non-violence, character, patriotism, compassion and tolerance regardless of petty differences in viewpoints.

      Finally, to clear the Roshan Lal Arya controversy, we are reproducing the mail that truthofhinduism.com scholars chose or accidentally missed out. This is the clarification of the person whose mail has been cited to ‘badly expose’ Agniveer:
      ———————————————————————-
      From: roshan lal
      Date: Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 5:36 PM
      Subject: Re: Namaste – Regarding Arya Samaj
      To: Agniveer

      Namaste Agniveer ji!
      Ye sach hai ki main ek arya hoon aur Maharsih Dev Dayanand ke bataye raston
      par chalne ki koshish kar raha hoon lekin aapke is mail ke baare me mera
      point wise nimn uttar hai:

      a. Are you the same Roshan Lal Arya as referred in this video? Or is this a
      different person.
      My Answer: I am not this person, he may be some another namely Roshan lal
      Arya.

      b. Did you ever go to any function organized by Dr Zakir Naik on
      ‘Misconceptions on Islam’?
      My Answer: I never attended or organize any Islamik function.

      c. Did you ever claim that Islam is the greatest religion and all people on
      earth should be forced to study Quran?
      My Answer: I never claimed such and never can claim in future also

      d. Did you claim that no one can dare question principles and content of
      Islam?
      My Answer: Sorry, I can never claim such thing.

      e. Did you claim that Islam is message and direction of God?
      My Answer: I can adopt or claim the facts according to the “Arsh Sahitya”
      and “Rishi Preenit Books.

      At last I would like to say that this is misunderstanding which is connected
      to me, I strongly oppose this and I would also promise that I can never say
      the talks against Maharishi Dev Dayanand Saraswati or Arya Samaj.

      I always obey Arya Samaj rules

      thanks for get clearifications to me.

      Namaste!

      roshan lal arya
      — On *Thu, 10/2/08, Agniveer * wrote:

      From: Agniveer
      Subject: Namaste – Regarding Arya Samaj
      To: [email protected] com
      Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 2:56 PM

      Namaste Sri Roshan Lal Arya

      This is with reference to controversy going over across globe among Arya
      Samajees regarding a video clipping in which you have allegedly praised
      Islam very highly in a function organized by Dr Zakir Naik. Your email
      forwarded by Mr Raj Pandit on this issue has further compliacted the issue
      because it mentions that you have no relation to any CD or video with such
      content. The video can be seen at http://in.youtube. com/watch? v=2qEaRSHtH5I

      Hence I would, on behalf of Arya Samaj online group, like to understand the
      following from you:
      a. Are you the same Roshan Lal Arya as referred in this video? Or is this a
      different person.
      b. Did you ever go to any function organized by Dr Zakir Naik on
      ‘Misconceptions on Islam’?
      c. Did you ever claim that Islam is the greatest religion and all people on
      earth should be forced to study Quran?
      d. Did you claim that no one can dare question principles and content of
      Islam?
      e. Did you claim that Islam is message and direction of God?

      If that be so, it would be fraudulent for someone who claims to be Arya
      Samajee and follower of Rishi Dayanand. Because Rishi Dayanand has written
      an entire chapter in Satyarth Prakash questioning Islam and its principles
      in most logical and strong manner.

      In the same address in the video, the alleged Mr Roshan Lal Arya has talked
      about using criminal threat to teach Quran to those not desiring to learn
      it.

      As per Mr Pandit, the alleged Roshan Lal Arya belongs to Ludhiana. Some
      sources trace this person to Yamunagar and you are from Rewari. Hence,
      kindly clarify if you are the same Roshan Lal Arya as shown in video or it
      is a case of mistaken identity.

      In case you are the same Roshan lal Arya, could you explain your statement
      so that people do not misunderstand it. Please understand that this video is
      used exhaustively to question loyalty of Arya Samaj.

      If you could provide your contact details, perhaps, some of us can actually
      meet you and discuss the same with you for complete clairification.

      Om
      Agniveer

      Another mail:
      From: roshan lal
      Subject: Re: [aryasamajonline] Fwd: Namaste – Regarding Arya Samaj
      To: [email protected]
      Cc: [email protected]…, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
      Date: Friday, 3 October, 2008, 1:07 PM

      Namaste Sri Agniveer ji, Naveen Arora ji & Dr Raj Pandit ji!

      I would like to say that this queries should be carry on and should find out that who is the person that have relations to the CD which is concerned to the function of Islam’s who so ever and have tried to go against the Arya Samaj

      I can not express myself in English so I am saying as in Hindi:

      Main bada abhari hoon ki aapne meri baat ko samjha aur parkha lekin main ye kahna chahunga ki jo koi aadmi hai (Roshan Lal Arya) jisne Srimad Mahrishi Dev Dayanand par keechar uchhalne ki koshish ki hai use kadi se kadi saja deni chahiye aur aise saja jaise ki Maharishi ne satyarth prakash me Manu vyavastha ka samarthan karte huye dee hai

      ant me main aap sabhi ka arya abhinandan karta hoon
      namaste
      roshan lal arya
      member, arya samaj, Rewari (Haryana)

      You can view complete message trail on same site from where all these messages were extracted.

      —————————————————————————-
      MY DEAR BROTHERS AT TRUTHOFHINDUISM,

      We may all have differences in our viewpoints. And as righteous human beings, we all have the right to assert our viewpoints most powerfully. However we should ensure that our differences do not lead to differences in hearts. To Agniveer, you all, despite your anti-Agniveer stand, are also our family members. Thus do not regard this explanation as a means to settle personal scores. The greatest skill as a human being is to learn keeping personal feelings separate from pursuit of larger goals. Thus while Agniveer may have completely divergent views from you on many issues, we still would love you and would be willing to give greatest sacrifice upto death for you whenever situations demand. (No strings or conditions of being believer or non-believer attached). And we would always pray for your well-being and bliss regardless of whether you believe in Vedas or not. So far you are doing noble deeds, you shall be on path of bliss and it would be our utmost duty, as per Vedas, to cooperate with you.

      We hope you would understand this essence of Agniveer movement and would ensure that you would never ever bring personal-level allegations instead of discussion on concepts. Please do not take it as a war for victory or defeat. That war resides only within our own self. We hope we would instead hear from you about warm hugs of brotherhood among us in future. Believe me, once you start refusing to get into such irrelevant petty means to defeat your opponents, your stature would rise and so shall your inner strength. Even opponents would admire you. And you would also realize that in reality there is no opponent. Its only friends and family members all around.

      We hope, in light of these facts, you would introspect and be friends of Agniveer movement. And apologize for this episode to win credibility and trust of everyone including almighty Allah.

    • @Ibn Muhammad

      first off, Roshan Lal Arya, where does it say that he is the PRESIDENT of an ARYA SAMAJ APEX????

      If this roshan lal arya is an Arya Samaji, then it doesnt make sense since he praised islam before Naik instead of criticizing it. The entire Arya Samaj was formed by Swami Dayanand, and Dayanand highly criticized Islam in chapter 14 of Satyarth Prakash, so why would Roshan Lal Arya go against his own principals and continue to call himself an Arya Samaji???

      If he is trully an Arya Samaji, he should not even say a single praise in the favour of islam, but he did, so this exposes his falsehood here already. If he is not an Arya Samaji, then its obvious he is a fraud, so either way, you have been proven wrong.

      You have fallen in your own trap!!

    • Ibn Muhammad I have exposed truthofhinduism.com before as quoting from unauthentic sources, during my debate with steve author of this website and his chamachas I have exposed that his website is giving reference from BHAVISHYA PURAN, which is unauthentic source, quoting from that means you believe that it is authentic source and so you also believe that Prophet Mohammad is Demon Tripurasur and Muslims as demon worshipers Steve and his Chamachas had no answer to this question and later on deleted all reference of BHAVISHYA PURAN from their website. Later on I also exposed that Steve’s Hinduism an Obscene religion many verses he has given are from ABUL QASIM who is a Muslim apostate and write against muslims in islam-watch.org and whom Muslim themselves don’t believe and already refuted by Raju Maliger and now they don’t come here for debate with us in this site and even in their site they use filthy abuses for everybody and don’t practice healthy debate and I simply do not understand that Muslim who accuse this site of promoting hatred against Muslims never tell anything to sites like truthofhinduism.com

      • Ibn Muhammad I have exposed TOH website before as quoting from unauthentic sources, during my debate with steve author of this website and his chamachas I have exposed that his website is giving reference from BHAVISHYA PURAN, which is unauthentic source, quoting from that means you believe that it is an authentic source and so you also believe that Prophet Mohammad is Demon Tripurasur and Muslims as demon worshipers Steve and his Chamachas had no answer to this question and later on deleted all reference of BHAVISHYA PURAN from their website. Later on I also exposed that Steve’s Hinduism an Obscene religion many verses he has given are from ABUL QASIM who is a Muslim apostate and write against muslims in islam-watch.org and whom Muslim themselves don’t believe and already refuted by Raju Maliger and now they don’t come here for debate with us in this site and even in their site they use filthy abuses for everybody and don’t practice healthy debate and I simply do not understand that Muslim who accuse this site of promoting hatred against Muslims never tell anything to sites like TOH sites who are really preaching hatred and in the name of debate are abusing others in their sites.

  39. Vikji it would be good if you refute their claims there because they are using more than 8 translation And as im not a vedic expert i do not have good knowledge and vikji you make them ran away

    Dhanyawaad

    Surya

  40. Namaste Agniveerji,

    I WANT AGNIVEER JI AND HIS GROUP TO TAKE NOTE OF THIS. In the Dr. Zakir Naik orkut community an Official thread named “Islam and Hinduism Discussion” has been started. They are asking for Hindus to come forward and discuss. Currently they are discussing about Muhammad in Vedas. Plz go there to refute them as they are boosting themself.NO one is coming from our side to throw them over. here is the link

    http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#CommMsgs?cmm=408884&tid=5549026278221002799

    Dhanyawad

    Surya

      • Namaste Agniveerji

        i had gone through all the points raised here but the thing is that they are rplying even to these all points with our own scriptures. as they are giving refrence to kuntap meaning hidden glands from shatpath brahman and other resources as i m not so much aquainted with them it will be good if you people thrash them over.

        Dhaynawad

        Surya

      • @Surya

        I agree, they no longer use Naik’s or Griffith translations to attack us since they know that we dont consider them authentic. Now, they use the translations of Swami Dayanand and twist its verses to prove their stupidity of Mohammad’s prophecy. The best way to counter them is that since they consider Dayanand authentic, you can just tell them that Dayanand himself declared that there is no mention of prophet in Vedas itself in chapter 14.

        They are definitely wrong, there is no mention of Mohammad in Vedas.

      • Will it be a good idea if we post a topic on the forum of Mohammad prophecized in Vedas? Because there is an Orkut group consisting of three muslim debators and three hindu debators debating on this subject. The muslim debators seem to know alot on Vedas, I think if we can open a forum here it would be great. We have to stop this propaganda of mohammad in Vedas

  41. I am not a scholar of Islam, but I remember a Hadees which narrates as DOOSRON KE KHUDAAON KO BURA MAT KAHO KYUKI USKE RADDE AMAL ME WO TUMHARE KHUDA KO BURA KAHENGE AUR TUMHARA KHUDA IN CHEEZON SE BULANDTAR HAI.
    I dont understand what both the communities want to prove or what is the purpose of hurting each other, I think both the religions dont allow to hurt anyone.
    Can any Muslim say me what is the meaning or purpose of Dawaah or any Hindu say me what is meaning or purpose of pravachans.
    As far as I as an Illiterate (in the sense of all researches for proving someone wrong) person having very little knowlege understands that A Dawah or a Pravachan is to Invite someone to a right path who is not on a way of right path.
    But by reading the articles or comments it seems that it is like holding someone from his collars and dragging him towards ur side and saying come on to my side this is right path.
    I have learned an Ayat of Holy Quran which says “La Ikraha Fid Deen” that means “Deen me koi Zabardasti Nahi”.
    I have also learned a Surah from Holy Quran which says “Kehdo Kaafiron se ki jise tum maante ho use hum nahi maante, aur jise hum maante hai use tum nahi maante, Jise tum maante ho use hum nahi manenge aur jise hum maante hai use tum nahi manoge, to tum apne Deen pe raho aur hum apne Deen pe rehte hain.”
    First of all let me clarify the meaning of Kaafir, “Kaafir” is an arabic word which means “One who dissents” “Inkaar karne waala” yaani simple language me jo Islam se Inkaar kare.
    This is not an offensive word, For example if I am a patient of Diabetes then I am “Kaafir of Sugar”.
    Now let us make some conclusions from this beautiful Surah.
    After such long discussions in every articles running into several pages, what is the result??????
    Had any Muslim agreed with any of the comments of Hindu or any Hindu agreed on any of the comments of Muslim, I think NO!!!!!!!
    If NO then whether there is any possibility that any of a Muslim will agree to any Hindu in Future or any Hindu will agree to any Muslim in Future, again I think NO!!!!!!!
    To ab hona kya chahiye!!!!!!!!
    kya yehi cheezen continue honi chahiye ki Hindus muslims ke loopholes nikalen aur Muslims hindus ke..
    Let me ask a question, kya aapko achchha lagega ki aapke MAA BAAP ko koi aake Gaaliyan de. (Ye sentence likhne me bhi mujhe bura lag raha hai).
    Usi tarah kya koi nek insaan ka dil gawara karega ki wo jaakar kisi ke MAA BAAP ko uske saamne Gaaliyan de.
    To ek nek Insaan Na to apne MAA BAAP ke baare me Bura Sunta hai aur na kisi dusre ke MAA BAAP ko bura kehta hai. Wo MAA BAAP ki jinke through aap is duniya me aaye hain.
    To Kya uske baare me aap bura sun sakte hain jisne ye saari duniya banayi aur aapko banaya, Mere Khayal me nahi.
    Let me continue ke, To ab hona kya chahiye!!!!!!! na to hindu muslim ki sunenge aur na muslim hindu ki…
    Last line in Surah says ki “Tum apne Deen pe raho aur hum apne Deen pe rahen”
    So let Hindus be on their Religion and let Muslims be on their Religion.
    kaun sahi hai aur kaun galat wo to jab insaan is duniya se jaaega to use khud pata chal jaaega, aur uske liye zyada intezaar ki bhi zarurat nahi hai, aajkal average life expectancy 60 years hai aur hamari har ek saans maut ki taraf ek Qadam hai. To is zara se qeemti waqt ko bina result ki behes me na kharch karke kisi achchhe kaam me use karen.
    Ek hadees aur maine suni hai ki “AGAR KOI TUMHARE SAATH NEK KAAM KARE TO TUM BHI USKE SAATH NEKI SE PESH AAO, AUR AGAR KOI TUMHARE SAATH BURA KARE TO USKE LIYE DUA KARO”

    ALLAH aap sabko Hidayat de…

    • ❰asgharmehdirizvi: I am not a scholar of Islam, but I remember a Hadees which narrates as DOOSRON KE KHUDAAON KO BURA MAT KAHO KYUKI USKE RADDE AMAL ME WO TUMHARE KHUDA KO BURA KAHENGE AUR TUMHARA KHUDA IN CHEEZON SE BULANDTAR HAI.❱

      Rizvi Sahab, the beauty of your soul is thanks to this very that you are not a scholar of Islam ..the more you learn and start adhering to the ‘scholarly’ Islam ..the less options remain to keep your soul beautiful.

      If you would have been a scholar , you would remember this hadit for example , where the prophet ADVISES MUSLIMS TO SLANDER AND INVEST AGAINST POLYTHEISTS (CLICK ON THE LINK TO CHECK YOURSELF )

      Sunan Abu Dawud
      Book 14, Number 2498:
      source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/abudawud/014.sat.html#014.2498

      Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
      The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Use your property, your persons any your tongues in striving against the polytheists.

      Anas ibn Malik ke hawale se:
      Rasool ne kaha : KAFIRON KE KHILAAF APNI DAULAT,JAAN AUR ZUBAAN KA ISTEMAAL KARO !

      (and you are telling me that the prophet said otherwise !! ? ..how can i UNREAD what i have already READ from Islamic sources!!!!)

      Ab Zara is Hadit pe gaur pharmayein

      Sahih Bukhari Book 52, Number 196
      source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196

      Abu Haraira ke hawale se:
      Allah ke paigambar ne Kaha : MUJHE YE HUKM HAI KI MEIN LOGON SE TAB TAK LADTA RAHOON JAB TAK WO YE NA KUBOOL KARIEN KI ALLAH KE ALAAWA KISI AUR KI IBADAT NA HO…JO SHAKS YE KUBOOL KAREGA TO MEIN USKE JAANO_MAAL KO BAKSH DOONGA (SIWAAY UTNE KE JITNE KI ISLAMI KANOON IZAZAT DETA HAI)

      Narrated Abu Huraira:
      Allah ‘s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”

      Ab bataiye Rizvi Sahab ..kya aapka zameer (Jahaan asal khuda hai) iss tarah ke deen ko maanna kubool karega …jo khulle aam ye keh raha hai ki kisi aur deen ko panapne na diya jaaye ..aur agar koi ho to Islam ke maanne waale unke khilaaf apna jano-maal laga dein?

      Ye jo saari duniya mein lahu beh rahaa hai ..iski buniyaad inhi kitabon se bani hai ..warna ek padha likha aeronautical engineer apni kamar mein bomb kaske kafiron’ ko udane ki kyonkar soche?..jab tak uska deen iss harkat ko halaal aur akabri na bataaye

      Votaire ne kabhi kahaa tha : The religion which makes you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: I dont understand what both the communities want to prove or what is the purpose of hurting each other, I think both the religions dont allow to hurt anyone.❱

      As far as i am concerned and as far as i have understood Agniveer, this site is for MATURE audiences who are interested in comparative religion dialogue.

      I agree that sometimes the discussion digresses into name calling etc.. , but the objective is to explore the truth ..rather than claim copyright on the Truth.

      unfortunately abrahmic religions start with a premise that they have the copyright on Truth and keys to heaven …rest all are doomed to hell according to their books.This is not only a stupid thought but dangerous for human unity and every human being must discuss this out thoroughly.

      The idea is not to fight ..but to discuss through reason and logic ..do you find that wrong?

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: Can any Muslim say me what is the meaning or purpose of Dawaah or any Hindu say me what is meaning or purpose of pravachans.❱

      A Hindu in pravachan says that all paths lead to God
      A Dawah guy says that all other paths lead to hell

      A Dawah sells his religion..A hindu pravachan guy is not on a selling spree.

      By the way, from an informed agnostic standpoint i find both Hindus and Muslims wrong in terms of spiritual enquiry

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: As far as I as an Illiterate (in the sense of all researches for proving someone wrong) person having very little knowlege understands that A Dawah or a Pravachan is to Invite someone to a right path who is not on a way of right path.❱

      This should be the objective of everybody ..but this must INCLUDE the person who is making the dawah or giving the pravachan.

      How the heck does one know if he is on the right path or not ? ..just because it was written on a camel bone in seventh century arabia? or on a tablet in 1st century India? does it make it THE right way??? NO!

      if the path is right it must stand the trial of reason and logic and the inherent human values within us that separate our species for instinctive animals.

      Islam is so unsure of the Truth , that any critic of Islam or Muhammad is put to death in Islamic countries? ..IS TRUTH EVER AFRAID OF CRITICISM ????????

      My friend..the spiritual journey of man is not a irrational blind belief in ANY book , it is a exploration process…Blind belief in a book makes you a ‘lakeer ka fakir’ ..and the more you surrender you God given intellect to a book , the more inhuman you become.

      Dhhop mein niklo , Ghataon’ mein naha kar dekho
      zindagi kya hai qitabon’ ko hata kar dekha – (i guess Nida Fazli)

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: But by reading the articles or comments it seems that it is like holding someone from his collars and dragging him towards ur side and saying come on to my side this is right path.❱

      I am afraid , most of these collar holders are crazed up zakir fans.

      tell them that slavery is bad ..and they would tell you that it is good.
      tell them child marriages are wrong ..and they would say that it cannot be wrong because their book of God does not consider it wrong and hence it’s not wrong

      when asked if they would themselves love to be slaves or if they would marry their six year old daughters to 60 year old men ..they get irritated ..because in their heart of hearts they KNOW it is wrong ..but just because their book says so they call it right.

      Morality in Islam is not the morality that the world understands or is intuitive in every human heart ..In Islam morality is whatever the book says and the prophet does ..if it says fight the non-muslims or be harsh with them ..they would do exactly;y that and feel no moral remorse.

      I hope you realize the perils of such a mindset.

      having said that, i would agree that both hindus and muslims have gone overboard sometimes in commenting about each other. They forget to appreciate that hindus and muslims are ONE HUMAN FAMILY FIRST ..any religion or thought that divides this family cannot be the right thought…It’s the religious ideologies that need to be discussed without ever forgetting that each human life is precious be it hindu or muslim

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: I have learned an Ayat of Holy Quran which says “La Ikraha Fid Deen” that means “Deen me koi Zabardasti Nahi”.
      I have also learned a Surah from Holy Quran which says “Kehdo Kaafiron se ki jise tum maante ho use hum nahi maante, aur jise hum maante hai use tum nahi maante, Jise tum maante ho use hum nahi manenge aur jise hum maante hai use tum nahi manoge, to tum apne Deen pe raho aur hum apne Deen pe rehte hain.”❱

      Fortunately no scholar has told you that these ayatas have been abrogated by the violent verses of Quran ..please read the tafsirs and you’ll be shocked to know that most peaceful aaayas of the Quran have been abrogated (cancelled) by violent ones 🙁

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: First of all let me clarify the meaning of Kaafir, “Kaafir” is an arabic word which means “One who dissents” “Inkaar karne waala” yaani simple language me jo Islam se Inkaar kare.
      This is not an offensive word, For example if I am a patient of Diabetes then I am “Kaafir of Sugar”.❱

      This is the wrong definition of Kafir.According to Quran a Kafir is anybody who does not believe in Allah or Muhammad (and all abrahmic messengers before him), heaven, hell etc. That way all non-muslims are kafirs.NO ISLAMIC SCHOLAR DISAGREES ON THIS DEFINITION>>ALL NON MUSLIMS ARE TERMED KAFIRS AS PER QURAN

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: Now let us make some conclusions from this beautiful Surah.❱

      This beautiful Surah was abrogated in favor of Quran 9:5 , 9:29 [ slay the idolaters and jews and christians wherever you find them ..until they pay the JIZYA and are SUBDUED]

      The very fact that a non-muslim had to face death or pay zar-e-zimmiya and jizya (dhimmi tax) to keep away from Islam tells us without doubt about the real attitude of Islam towards other religions?

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: After such long discussions in every articles running into several pages, what is the result??????
      Had any Muslim agreed with any of the comments of Hindu or any Hindu agreed on any of the comments of Muslim, I think NO!!!!!!!
      If NO then whether there is any possibility that any of a Muslim will agree to any Hindu in Future or any Hindu will agree to any Muslim in Future, again I think NO!!!!!!!❱

      You think wrong ! it’s not about hindus or muslims or arya samajis or agnostics or atheists.
      It is about human beings in search of religio-spiritual answers

      contrary to what you think many people have realized the futility of religious dogma through this site. Wait for some time as i presume that Agniveer will be publishing the testimonies soon 🙂

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: To ab hona kya chahiye!!!!!!!!
      kya yehi cheezen continue honi chahiye ki Hindus muslims ke loopholes nikalen aur Muslims hindus ke..
      Let me ask a question, kya aapko achchha lagega ki aapke MAA BAAP ko koi aake Gaaliyan de. (Ye sentence likhne me bhi mujhe bura lag raha hai).
      Usi tarah kya koi nek insaan ka dil gawara karega ki wo jaakar kisi ke MAA BAAP ko uske saamne Gaaliyan de.
      To ek nek Insaan Na to apne MAA BAAP ke baare me Bura Sunta hai aur na kisi dusre ke MAA BAAP ko bura kehta hai. Wo MAA BAAP ki jinke through aap is duniya me aaye hain.
      To Kya uske baare me aap bura sun sakte hain jisne ye saari duniya banayi aur aapko banaya, Mere Khayal me nahi.❱

      Ek deen jo ye kahe ki agar aapke maa baap us deen ko na manein’ to unse koi rishta na rakho ,,aisey deen ke baare mein aapka kya khayal hai?

      agar aap nahi jaante to jaan lijiye ke us deen ka naam Islam hai.

      Jo deen ek bande ko apne maa baap se hi al;ag kar de ..Khuda ka diya hua nahi ho sakta..saari behas isi baat ki hi to hai Rizvi sahab.

      doosri bat ye hai ki agar aapka khuda baaki insanon’ ke wajood pe npil padega to insaan chup nahi baithenge.

      Agar aapke mma baap aur un sabke mai baap khuda ye kahein ke doosre mazhab ke logon se bair rakho, unke khilaaf apna jano-maal laga do …to unke khilaaf khada hona har insaaf pasand nek insaan ki zameeri zimmedaari hai

      ❰asgharmehdirizvi: Let me continue ke, To ab hona kya chahiye!!!!!!! na to hindu muslim ki sunenge aur na muslim hindu ki…
      Last line in Surah says ki “Tum apne Deen pe raho aur hum apne Deen pe rahen”
      So let Hindus be on their Religion and let Muslims be on their Religion.
      kaun sahi hai aur kaun galat wo to jab insaan is duniya se jaaega to use khud pata chal jaaega, aur uske liye zyada intezaar ki bhi zarurat nahi hai, aajkal average life expectancy 60 years hai aur hamari har ek saans maut ki taraf ek Qadam hai. To is zara se qeemti waqt ko bina result ki behes me na kharch karke kisi achchhe kaam me use karen.
      Ek hadees aur maine suni hai ki “AGAR KOI TUMHARE SAATH NEK KAAM KARE TO TUM BHI USKE SAATH NEKI SE PESH AAO, AUR AGAR KOI TUMHARE SAATH BURA KARE TO USKE LIYE DUA KARO”
      ALLAH aap sabko Hidayat de…❱

      afsos ye rahaa ki jis aayat pe aapne apni baat ko tika rakha tha, wo mansukh (abrogate/cancel) kar diya gaya tha 🙁 [ read about al-Nasikh wal-Mansukh before picking up random verses, you never know what you have to take back 🙂 ]

      ghum is baat ka ki maine zyada hadees padh liye ..aur jo ek hadees aap bataa rahe hain wo lagta hai kisi buddhist kitaab ka udtaa hua paana hai jo aapne besaakhta padh daala

      insaaniyat mein aapka dost
      Indian Agnostic

      • @ Indian Agnostic

        . Indian Agnostic: insaaniyat mein aapka dost
        Chaliye insaniyat ke naate aapne mujhe apna dost to maana, warna aapki language se to aisa mehsoos hota hai ki bas aap humse jung karne ko taiyar khade hain.

        Behtar hoga ki aap mujhse ek Insaan ke naate baat kare, naki ye ki aap ek hindu hain aur mai ek muslim. So kindly dont quote hadees from author Abu Huraira or Sahi Bukhari.

        And for ur information the last hadees i mentioned was not any udta panna of buddhist religion but an authentic hadees jise maine ek Islamic Scholar se suna hai.

        Now I want to know something about Hinduism, I hope u would help me out in this.

        Is there any concept of Heaven or Hell in Hinduism and who will go there?

        My questions will continue slowly…

        Regards,

      • ❰asgharmehdirizvi : Chaliye insaniyat ke naate aapne mujhe apna dost to maana, warna aapki language se to aisa mehsoos hota hai ki bas aap humse jung karne ko taiyar khade hain.❱

        khuda khair kare ..haiwaniyat ke naam pe dost banaana meri aadat kabhi rahi hi nahi! 😉

        mein to bas insaaniyat ke naate dost banaata hun’ ..aur mujhe kabhi afsos nahi hua…mujhe yakeen hai ki aap mere is yakeen’ ko tootne nahi denge.

        aur mera yakeen kijiye ..ye site mature audiences ke liye hai jo sach ki talaash mein hain..jis koshish mein mazhabon’ ko kaafi gehrai se aur bekhauf tatola jayega.khaskar un mazhabon’ ko jo sachai ke copyright ka dawa karte hain aur jinke haathon mein jannat ki chabiyan’ naachti hai , jinka mazhab ye manta hai ke baaki sab mazhabon’ ke log jahunnum ke hawale honge !

        to rizvi sahab, agarche aap is hammam mein utarna chahte hain to kahir makdam hai ..par agar aapka dil sawalon’ ki izaazat nahi deta to behtar hoga ki aap is site par tawajjo na dein’.

        maine to bas aapke hadeeson’ ko hu ba hu (original link ke saath) pesh kiya ..aur apne use jang karaar de diya.ye to koi achi baat nahi

        ❰asgharmehdirizvi : Behtar hoga ki aap mujhse ek Insaan ke naate baat kare, naki ye ki aap ek hindu hain aur mai ek muslim. So kindly dont quote hadees from author Abu Huraira or Sahi Bukhari.
        And for ur information the last hadees i mentioned was not any udta panna of buddhist religion but an authentic hadees jise maine ek Islamic Scholar se suna hai.❱

        Jannab, shayad aap bhool rahe hain ki aaghaaz aapne kiya that mansukh hui ayaton aur hadeeson ka hawaala dekar ek jhoot bunne ka. Maine to bas sacchai ke ustare se un dhaagon’ ko udheda hai.

        sardiyan’ aane ko hain ..par agar aap jhoot ka sweater bun bhi lete to kya aapko wo kisi kadar bhi sardi ki sacchai se bacha paata ..kahiye bhala?

        mujhe maloom na that ki aapko Sahih Hadit ke hawale itne nagawaara guzrenge.Ab tak aap jaise alim Fazil se milne ka mauka hi nahi mila jo ye mane ki Sahih Hadit Galat Hadit hain.

        par apni ye shart yaad rakhiyega ..mujhe kai sawaal poochne hain un alimon’ se jo sahih hadit ke hawale ke bina paanch baar namaaz padhte hain 🙂

        raha sawaal us hadees ka jisko aapne scholar se suna tha ..to ab uski bhi zaroorat nahi hai..agar aapke bina link waale sune sunaye hadees ko maana jaye aur mere link wale hadit ko nakaraa jaye to ye aapki aur meru dodno ki danishmandi aur insaaf pasandi pe ek daag hoga.

        ❰asgharmehdirizvi : Now I want to know something about Hinduism, I hope u would help me out in this.❱

        Sure i will, i was a born hindu ..so i can help you out i guess.

        ❰asgharmehdirizvi : Is there any concept of Heaven or Hell in Hinduism and who will go there?❱

        according to the puranas that hindus believe in , there are temporary hells and heavens ..different from the permanent hell and heaven in Islam…ones good deeds/bad deeds will take people there as per these fairy tales

        while both ideas are silly .. the Islamic is idea is unjust apart from being silly.

        because if a God rewards or punishes infinitely for finite mistakes on earth..they he is an unjust god..what say?

        ❰asgharmehdirizvi : My questions will continue slowly…❱
        my answers will follow swiftly ;)..jokes apart..you are more than welcome sir to ask any questions and take your time 🙂

        Best Regards,

      • mere khayal me agar mai aapki ek ek baat ka jawab doonga to main topic se hat jaunga, mere khayal se behtar hoga ki we stick to a topic and i hope ki aapko answers dene me kisi dusre mazhab ko beech me ghaseet ke laane ki zarurat nahi padegi.
        Mera sawaal sirf Hinduism par based rahega aur aap se aasha karunga ki aap bhi sirf apne hi references denge naki kisi dusre mazhab ki burai karke khud ko justify karenge.
        agar aapki ijazat ho to continue karen…..

      • @asgharmehdirizvi

        Janaab , ek trah main hun; ki aapko do do mazhabon se jawaab nikaal kar de raha hun..aur ek taraf aap hain ki doosre mazhab na naam sunte hi aapne mere poore wajib jawaab ko hi darkinaar kar diya ..ye to sarasar nainsaafi hai

        Mein to Sahab Agnostic hun’ ..mere liye hindusim aur islam dono lajawaab hain ..in dono ke paas mere sawalon ka jawaab nahi hai 😉

        agar aapka sawaal heaven aur hell ke baare mein hai to islam aur hinduism dono ka zikr karne se topic to nahi change ho jaata?

        balki aapko to daad deni chahiye ki maine aapka question ke saath poori jsutice ki hai ..maine sawaal se hatkar to koi jawaab nahi diya?

        Rizwi Sahab ..main aapki shart maan to loonga par aapko ye saaf saaf kehna padega ki aap ye sab sawaal is liye pooch rahe hain kyonki aap hinduism ki kamiyan’ jaanna chahte hain aur ye bhi chahte hain ke usi topic pe islam ki kamiyan’ na batayi jaein..maani ye ke sacchai ki khoj mein aapki dischaspi nahi ..na hi sawaal ke jawaab ki pukhtagi mein 🙂

        kya maine sahi pharmaya?

      • Aapka shukriya ki aap ne mujhe ye batane ki zehmat uthai ki meri kis cheez me dilchaspi hai aur kis cheez me nahi, khair isme aapki koi galati nahi hai, aapke zehene aala ne aapki soch ko jahaan tak jaane ki ijazat di aap ne wo samajh liya.

        Mai sirf aapke baare me janna chahta hun, aur mujhe ummeed hai ki aapke paas kisi aur ko criticize karne ke alawa bhi koi topic hoga.

        aapki baatein karne ka lehja aur andaaz mujhe zakir naik se kam nahi lagta jo dusron ki khichatani me laga hua hai.

        agar aap atheist ho to fir aap na to hinduism ka support karte hoge aur na islam ka.

        mai aapke baare me thoda confused hun ki aap ho kaun atheist ho ya hindu ho???

      • Rizwi Sahab,

        Main Agnostic hun..Main itna to jaanta hun ki koi jannat, dozakh, jahannum ya saatwein’ aasman mein baitha hua khuda ya bhagwaan to bilkul bhi nahi hai ..par mein ye bhi nahi keh sakta ki ye Qaynat, Isme basne waale main aur aap mehaz ek ittifaq hain

        mera paas itni danish to hai ki jhoot ko nakaar sakoon’, par ye guroor nahi ki un sawalon ko jhutlaun jinka jawaab abhi dhoondha jaana hai

        zakir bhai mbbs to dukaandaar hain’ saahab , unka tanze-e-bayaan aur mera tarz-e-bayan’ aur 🙂

      • Mere khayal me aap ye maante hain ki koi kuda nahi hai, lekin is baat pe mutmain nahi ki ye duniya ek ittifak se paida ho gayi hai.

        Agar maine sahi samjha hai to aap thoda confused hai ki khuda hai ya nahi, aur aap is baat ke intezar me hain ki jald hi kisi khoj se ye confirm ho jaaega ki haqeeqat me khuda hai ya nahi hai.

      • Rizwi Sahab

        yahaan tak to aapne muje sahi padha ki mein Qitabon’ ke khudaon/bhagwano’ ko to nahi maanta , kyonki in qitabon; ke khudaon ko to fakat unki qitabon;se hi nakara ja sakta hai.

        Jo khuda aoni hi qitab se jhootha sabit ho jaye ..use aakhri sach ki tarah nigal paaana mere halka-e-halaq-e-danishan’ ke bas mein nahi.

        Magar is bariki si bani hui qaynat, uski har badalti tasveer ke peeche ek na badalne wale qanoon , aadmi ki khushi ki musalsal koshish , ek jawaab ke dhoondhne mein lagi hui arbon; zindagiyan’ ..sab besabab nahi lagti ..Is sab ko ek haseen ittifaq man lena bhi samajhdaari nahi lagti.

        isliye ..meri talaash jaari hai , par iska ye matlaab nahi ki is talaash mein main hazaron’ jhooton’ ko raund ki nahi chala hun’

        jhoot ko nakarne mein itni mushaqqat nahi jitni ki sach ko paane mein ..wo bhi aakhiri sach.

        baat inti si hai ki

        mein jhoot ki parton’ ko to kab ka mita chuka
        aakhiri sach hai ke jiski talaash jaari hai

      • to phir aapke hisaab se maqsade hayaat kya hai???? apni saari zindagi usey khojna ki jisne hume paida kiya.

        Agar usne hume paida kiya to kisi na kisi maqsad se hi paida kiya hoga, aur is baat se to mai ittifaak nahi rakhta ki khuda ne hume paida kiya aur phir hume jehalat ke andheron me chhod diya ki ab mujhe dhoondho, aur jisne usey dhundh liya wo kaamyaab aur jo nahi dhundh paya wo nakaam.

      • maqsad-e-zeest nibha lein pehle
        hoor-o-glima ki baat aur kabhi
        kaisa dikhta hai banaane waala?
        maa ke chehre pe karo gaur kabhi

        Rizvi saahab..khwahishien khudai ki hon’ ya hayaat ki hon’ ..hai to aakhir khwahishein

        ek laalach zeest ka ..ek laalach baad ka ..raha to lalchi ka lalchi ?

        kya lalchi banna humaraa akhiri maqsad hai ?

      • aap sahi pharmate hain ki agar sab cheezon’ ke peeche koi maqsad hai ..to banaane waala hume jahaalat ke adheron’ mein nahi chhod. sakta

        aur isliye usay hamare saath hamesha hona chahiye ki hum apne hone ka maqsad pehchan sakein’ aur uspe amal kar sakein’

        par wo kisi kitaab mein apni baat kaid kare aur qayamat ke din tak so jaye ..ye manna bhi mushkil hai.

        aur ye manna to namumkin hai ki usne hume sirf ibaadat ke liye banaya hai … agar ye maqsad hota to japaniyon’ ki tarah chalne/bolne waale robot hi qaafi hote ..jo bila naga mandir mein ghantiyan’ bajate rehte..ya paanch martaba namaaz padhte rehte

        ye dimaagh diya gaya hai to ye bemaqsad ho nahi sakta ..iska istemaal na karna (agar koi banaane waala hai) banaane wale ki tauheen karna hai

        to haasil ye ki bananane waala( ya meri zubaan mein kahaa jaye to supreme pronciple) hamare saath hai maqsade zeest or maqsade hayaat poora karne mein…jise marne ke baad nahi ..jete ji samajhna hai

        agar aap is baat se ittifaq rakhein to mein aage kahun’

      • Na jaane kis mulla ne ye baat padha di hai ki Ibadat ka maane sirf 5 waqt ki namaaz hai. Ibadat ka matlab hai khuda ki paristish karna yaani har wo kaam karna jiska usne hukm diya (jaise gareebon ki madad karna, rishtedaron ke saath nek sulook karna, apne padosiyon ka khayal karna, maa baap ki izzat karna, mehmaano ko izzat dena, yahaa tak ki apne ghar ka kharch chalana is niyat se ki khuda ke liye hai ibadat me shumar hota hai etc.) hai aur har us kaam se bachna jisse usne mana kiya hai (jaise jhoot bolna, kisi ke upar zulm karna, sharaab peena, kisi ka dil dukhana etc.).
        Khair ye sab baatein chhodiye, asl mudde pe rehte hain bajaaye iske ki idhar udhar bhatak jaaye.

        Aap ne farmaya ki bhagwaan/Khuda ne hume dimaag diya hai taaki hum uska istemaal karen, aur agar hum uska istemaal na karen to uski tauheen hogi.

        Beshak Ye baat bilkul sach hai, ki khuda ne hume dimaag diya hai to hume uska istemaal karna chahiye, lekin kya usne is qeemti cheez ko is baat me lagaye rehne ke liye diya hai jisse koi maqsad ka hal na nikle.

        Aap us Bhagwaan/Khuda ko dhundhne ke mission par nikalne waale koi eklaute shakhs to hain nahi, na jaane aap ke jaise kitne aaye aur dhundhte hue chale gaye ya dhundh rahe hain, lekin ek bhi shaks ko kaamyaabi nahi mili.

        Aur agar koi dhundhne me kaamyaab ho gaya hai to wo kaun hai aur kaisa selfish insaan hai ki khud dhundh ke baith gaya hai aur aap jaise dusron ko nahi bata raha hai.

      • Qitabon’ ke khudaon’ se sabse badi shikayat ye hi hai ke unhe sirf imaan walon ki ibaadatein nahi chahiye ..unhe hai pyaas kafiron ke khoon ki, loot mein mili zar-zammen-zanaana ka paanchva hissa, mushrikon or dhikr wallon se musalsal ladai tab tak jab tak saare ke saare muslam ya dhimmi na ho jayein.

        Aise khuda hain jo khud to kisi ko apne deen mein nahi la paye, par tike hain un imaan laane waalon pe jo insaaniyat ko taak pe rakhke talwaaron ke zor pe logon se aisay khudaon ki khudai kubool karwate rahe ya phir jizya lekar apne deen se bache rehne ki raahat di.

        kaash aisay khuda apne imaan lane walon ki ibaadaton se hi khush ho jaate, par in khudaon ko dar hai ki unki kursi na hil jaye ..khair chhodiye in baaton ko .. asal baat par baat karein.

        aap shayad is galat fehmi mein hain ki akhiri sach mera eklauta kaam hai .aapne shayad meri is baat pe gaur nahi pharmaya

        maqsad-e-zeest nibha lein pehle
        hoor-o-glima ki baat aur kabhi
        kaisa dikhta hai banaane waala?
        maa ke chehre pe karo gaur kabhi

        fark sirf itna hai ki jahaan aapke liye ek haddi mein likhi hui baat akhiri sach hai ..mere liye ye nakaafi hai.

        apne maa-baap ki, baaki insaanon’ ki, apne watan ki taraf jo zimmedarian hain ..unhe maanne ya jaanne ke liye kisi qitaab ki zaroorat nahi. Insaan ke andar ki awaaz aur qaynaat mein bikhre hue sabak hi qaafi hain inhe samajhne ke liye.

        haan’ hamare hone ka maqsad ek bada sawaal hai ..jiska jawaab in Qitabon mein nahi milta.

        in qitaab ke manne walon’ ki danishwari ke baare mein jitna kam kaha jaye utna accha
        unse puchiye: aap kaise jaante hai ki aapki qitaab ka khuda he sacha khuda hai?
        unka jawaab: ye kaisa sawaal hai ..ye to meri qitaab mein saaf -saaf likha hai
        unse phir poochiye: aur aapki qitaab ka bharosa kyon kiya jaaye?
        unka jawaab: Meri qitab ka khuda kehta kehta hai ki ye qitab hi akhiri sach hai

        abhi meri dimaagh ki haalat itni kharaab nahi hui ki mai is tarah ke circular-logical fallacy ko nigal jaun..to mujhe ye kehne mein gurez nahi ki main akhiri jawaab dhoondh raha hoon

        par iska matlab ye na lagaya jaye ki mujhe duniyadaari ke sahi ya galat ka andaaza nahi ..ye batein to chidiyon ke bache bhi seekh lete hain bina qitabon ke 🙂

      • Har Insaan apne aap ko nek samajhta hai aur isi baat ko dusro ko saabit karne ke liye do raste apnata hai,
        pehla ye ki nek kaam karo aur nek ban jaao ya fir dusra ye ki dusron ko itna bura kaho ki aap nek lago.

        isi tarah agar kisi debate me koi baat ko prove karna ho to ya to us baat ke baare me jo sahi baat hai wo kahi jaati hai ya fir dusri baaton ko itna bura bhala kaha jaata hai ki usme hi log uljhe rahen.

        Agar main in saari baaton ka jawaab dene lagun to asal mudda kahin aur chala jaaega (jaise ki aapne pehle upar kaha hai ki Surah Kaaferoon Mansookh Surah hai, aap mujhe reference dijiye kis jagah aapko Surah Kaferoon Mansukh dikh gayi, dusre ki Quran me jis jagah bhi Kaafiron ko Qatl karne ka hukm diya gaya hai wo un Kaafiron ke liye hai jo aapse jung karne ke liye aaye ho, na ki un kaafiron ke liye jo apni normal zindagiyan guzar rahe hon, unke liye surah kaferoon hai ki tum apne deen pe raho hum apne deen pe)

        Mera aur aapka asal mudda hai ki mai aapke nazariye ko jaanna chahta hun, aur mere khayal me aapka sochna ya aapka nazariya is baat pe depend nahi karta ki kis kitaab me kya likha hai.

        Maine aapse sirf itna poocha hai ki agar maqsade hayat bhagwaan ki khoj hai, to itne saalon me kisi ne is khoj me kaamyaabi haasil ki hai aur agar nahi to kyu nahi kar paaya?

      • mein aapse guzarish karoonga ka ki aap is site ke comments section ko padh lijiye ..mansukh aayaton ke baare mein kaafi behas pehle hi ho chuki…aga aap apne end par karna chahte hain to al-imaan ya phir altafsir par jayein aapko khud maloom ho jayega ki kaun kaun si aayatein mansukh kar di gayo hain ..9:5 kareeb 100-124 aayaa ko mansukh karti hai [according to different scholars]

        ab aapse doosri guzarish , zara dekhiye ki mere jawaab mein islam ka zikr kyon aaya.wajah bilkul saaf hai ..kyonki pehle aapne uska zikr kiya.jo mujhe adhoora laga ..maine to aapki baat ko bas poora kiya hai

        khair ..baat hai aapke sawaal ki…to jawab bada aasan bhi hai aur mushqil bhi

        jise aaj paaya jayega ..use kal kho diya jayega
        maqsadehayat agar kuch paana hai(cxhahe bhagwaan ho ya Allah) ..to uske baad kya marna behtar?
        nahi ye kuch bhi nahi ..jo khoj raha hai ..wo galat hai chal pada

        samjhe biradar

      • “afsos ye rahaa ki jis aayat pe aapne apni baat ko tika rakha tha, wo mansukh (abrogate/cancel) kar diya gaya tha.”
        ye aap hi ka daawa hai Surah Kaferoon ke baare me ki ye Surah Mansukh hai.

        Maine to aap se sirf reference maanga tha aapke daawe ka aur aapne kaha ki khud dhundh lo, janaab maine to aapko shuru me hi keh diya tha ki mai koi islam ka scholar nahi hun, aur aapke comments padh kar ye maloom hota hai ki aapne Islam ki nukhta chini karne me kaafi pasina bahaya hai, to kyu nahi aap koi link bata dete jisme surah kaferoon ko mansukh kaha gaya hai.

        aur jahaan tak topic ki baat hai, to mai aapse seedhe seedhe sawaal kar raha hun aur aap mujhe gol mol jawaab de rahe hain, jaise “jise aaj paaya jayega ..use kal kho diya jayega” iska sentence ka topic se kya relation hai…..

        Biradar hum to aapki samajhne ke liye hi baithe hain, magar aap saaf saaf kahen to…….

      • Rziwi Saahab

        ye raha aapka link : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0fRcoVztpHQJ:www.thequran.com/Abrogations.aspx%3Ft%3D2+list+of+abrogated+verses&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in …ab aap saare mansukh hui aayaton’ ko ek saath dekh payenge.

        Rahi baat seedhe Jawaab ki to itne tedhe sawaal ka jawaab bilkul seedha ho ye namumkin to nahi mushkil bahut hai.

        phir bhi ek aur himaqat karta hun usi statement se jise aapne hamari guftugu ke daayare se baahar maan liya

        “jise paaya jayega ..usay kho bhi diya jayega”

        misaal ke taur par ik sufi noor-e-khuda mein doob to jaata hai par kuch der baad waapas wohi dhaak ke teen paat

        ye sab to tazurbe hain ..tazurbon’ ki umr chhoti hai …tazurbe jhoot hain..kyonki khuda ko paa jaane ke baad ussay kho dena Khuda ki tauheen hai

        par qaynaat ka ajab dastoor… jo aaj paaya hai ..kal khona hi hai !
        aur pareshaani ye samajhne mein ki khuda ko paane ke baad khona namumkin

        maane ye ki khoj zroori bhi hai aur nahi bhi 🙁

        jawaab ye ki jo khoj rahaa hai wo payega nahi , jisne paa liya hai to wo bina khoje

        mera yakeen kijiye …ye paheliyaan’ zaroori hain meri baat samjhne ki liye

      • Praise be to Allah. He is such that senses cannot perceive Him, place cannot contain Him, eyes cannot see Him and veils cannot cover Him. He proves His eternity by the coming into existence of His creation, and (also) by originating His creation (He proves) His existence, and by their (mutual) similarity He proves that there is nothing similar to Him. He is true in His promise. He is too high to be unjust to His creatures. He stands by equity among His creation and practices justice over them in His commands. He provides evidence through the creation of things of His being from ever, through their marks of incapability of His power, and through their powerlessness against death of His eternity.

        He is One, but not by counting. He is everlasting without, any limit. He is existent without any support. Minds admit of Him without (any activity of the) senses. Things which can be seen stand witness to Him without confronting Him. Imagination cannot encompass Him. He manifests Himself to the imagination with his help for the imagination, and refuses to be imagined by the imagination. He has made imagination the arbiter (in this matter). He is not big in the sense that volume is vast and so His body is also big. Nor is He great in the sense that His limits should extend to the utmost and so His frame be extensive. But He is big in position and great in authority

      • ALLAH – SHAPELESS OR LIMITED ?

        http://agniveer.com/939/allah-shapeless/

        happy reading!

        in case you are looking for exact references ..here’s some initial help !

        >>Allah is approx. 30 meters tall

        Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 8, Book 74, Number 246:
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        The Prophet said, “Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in

        height.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/074.sbt.html#008.074.246

        >>Our faces resemble Allah’s face!

        Sahih Muslim
        Book 032, #6325:
        This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abu Huraira and in the hadith transmitted on the authority of

        Ibn Hatim Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) is reported to have said: When any one of you fights with his

        brother, he should avoid his face for Allah created Adam in His own image.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/032.smt.html#032.6325

        >>Allah has two hands. just like us!

        Quran 38:75

        He said: O Iblis! What hindereth thee from falling prostrate before that which I have created with both My hands?

        Art thou too proud or art thou of the high exalted?
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/038.qmt.html#038.075

        >>Allah’s lifts weight his right hand

        Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 6, Book 60, Number 336:
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “Allah will hold the whole earth, and roll all the heavens up in His Right Hand, and

        then He will say, ‘I am the King; where are the kings of the earth?”‘
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.336

        >>Allah’s foot on Hell’s door !

        Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 6, Book 60, Number 371:
        Narrated Anas:
        The Prophet said, “The people will be thrown into the (Hell) Fire and it will say: “Are there any more (to come)?’

        (50.30) till Allah puts His Foot over it and it will say, ‘Qati! Qati! (Enough Enough!)'”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.371

        >>Wait , men are reminded that Allah is not one eyed..so that it’s easier to distinguish allah and dajjak..got it?

        Sahih Bukhari
        Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553:
        Narrated Ibn Umar:
        Once Allah’s Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, “l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed.”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/055.sbt.html#004.055.553

      • I was sure that this type of reply will come from ur low class thinking mind.

        I quoted that para with an expectation that u will also quote some paras in praise of GOD which would be better than that which i had quoted.

        But as usual ur fanatic mind will not rise from it……

      • Mr. Rizwi

        a soul dedicated to the quest of Truth cannot turn a blind eye to an absolute falsity

        what you call my low mindedness is right mindedness and truth mindedness.

        if denouncing falsities appears wrong to you ..i can’t help it sir.

        and you sure know that i never quote without references that cannot be verified

        PS: I know that you as individual are looking for a kind merciful all loving God..Unfortunately the name and religion you associate your God with, is not that kind and merciful ..but has utter hatred towards me,the murtad, the mushriq, the kafir, the jew , the christian ..In his maniacal worship hungriness and thirst for kafir blood ..he stands opposite to what i cherish as mercy,beauty,compassion and above all the notion of divinity..and hence my opposition to the dogma that is Islam..i can’t help it as it’s impact is visible to every sane eye.

        to dislike one who hates me ..is not such a bad after all ..specially when He is standing on a subhuman and non-divine ground

        i hope you understand my predicament

      • @Rizvisaab

        we too thought that you will accept truth after debating with us….but as usual your pseudo-sickular(secular) mind will not rise from it.

  42. Dear Friends,

    This is not some thing new for Muslims, the history is repeating again, When prophet Muhammad (SAW) called people of Makkah to worship one true GOD and leave 365 idols which they are worshipping at that time. But they not only reject and put all efforts to wipe off Islam, You people are nothing infront of them. They said against Islam more than what you are talking today. They criticized prophet more than you. But.. after some years Islam rule entire the Arabia. And Islam rule many countires. For one thing Sure Islam never rule on the Sword, it is the critics who talk this way.

    Even if you dont love or like Islam, it is the promise of Allah that Islam will preveal over all other religions. You should also know that Islam is not a religion, it is the way of Life, which in term we can call Sanathana dharma. Islam never teaches hatred towards others, it is only misunderstanding. I was a born Hindu, I revert to Islam 18 years before, i dont see anything wrong with Islam, i have see all good only. It is the crtics who talk against Islam.

    I request you all to read the Holy quran and biography of Prophet Muhammad(SAW). Dont read the books written by critics. Hell and Heaven are there for sure, Otherwise who will judge for our differences? God will settle all our disputes and differences and he will judge us there. The day we die we will realize the truth. I pray to Allah to show you the right guidance, or pray to GOD and ask yourself to show the right path, God will definetely show the way to you all.

    Abdullah

      • Dear Arya,

        God sent his revelation to every nation, that is the reason you will find the Oneness of GOD in most of the famous religious books. But those books are sent for only those people of at that time. Now they are all expired. Now the God sent the final revelation which is Holy Quran, we should follow this final revelation for our salvation.

        Yes sure My ancestors might be in Hell if they might have not follow Islam, my parents will go to HELL.if dont accept Islam before they die.

        For today world only Islam law is enough to solve the problems, Vedas and other scriptures dont show salvation to the problems to the todays mankind. And they are so difficult for people to follow, that is the reason that majority of Hindus dont follow them.

        Abdullah

      • @Abdullah
        Brother, did you go through the link I gave? Read it and decide, can the knowledge of such God be expired anytime?

        Oneness of God in Islam is a paradox. Tell me, I believe in One God, and I pray to him alone. I dont remember/include any person’s name with Him while prayer. Do you do that? Dont you remember Muhammad along with Allah in prayers? Who believes in One God me or you???

        Will your ancestors and parents, regardless of their good deeds, burn in hell forever? Are not you ashamed of talking such non sense about your loving mother and father, who took care of you when no Islam was known to you?

        Have you read Vedas? If no, how can you comment on them? If yes, tell me which Mantra has been expired. I will clear it.

        Can you tell me, what new, Islam taught you which is not present in Vedas? You show it, I shall reject Vedas and if you could not, I invite you to your original home, Vedic Dharm.

      • @Abdullah

        If they are not showing salvation(according to you), they are not even creating problems either. But in your Islam’s case, it seems every problem in world exists because of quran.

        BTW…what’s your take on violent verses of quran?

      • /////////////God sent his revelation to every nation, that is the reason you will find the Oneness of GOD in most of the famous religious books. But those books are sent for only those people of at that time. Now they are all expired. Now the God sent the final revelation which is Holy Quran, we should follow this final revelation for our salvation.////////////

        Why? Why not send a book which can influence the man kind for eternity………from begining to end……………

      • Quran believes this life is first and last. Vedas state the concept of rebirth of soul.

        – Quran believes that this creation is first and last. After that there is only permanent Hell and Heaven. Vedas state that creation and dissolution of universe is a continuous cyclical process with no beginning and end.

        – Quran states that God sends messengers from time to time. Vedas state that God is all-powerful and does not require any messenger to bring any new concepts.

        – Quran believes in Paradise and Hell. Vedas state that accumulation of good deeds lead to salvation and bad deeds lead to rebirth in various species. There is no permanent place like Paradise where one gets virgins and boys, and no place where one keeps burning in Fire.

        – Quran believes that if one accepts Quran, Muhammad and his doctrine, God will forgive his or her past sins. Vedas state that no act of souls goes without paying its result. By worship and pleading, one ensures that bad deeds are not repeated in future. Hence good results start accumulating. But there is never a deletion of past records.

        – Quran allows 4 wives and innumerable concubines for general Muslims and even more for messenger. Vedas clearly proclaim merits of monogamy. (Why did God decide to suddenly increase the quota is beyond comprehension?)

        – Quran allows meat-eating but Vedas call for mercy on all living beings (Again, why did God become so offended by poor animals is beyond me)

        GOD`s knowledge is changing from day to day????????????
        HIS KNOWLEDGE ISN`T ETERNAL???????????????/

        Hahaha.

      • What is Islam? One man stood one day shouting that I am the last prophet! Who confirmed it? Again the same person, who lied the people! He shouted one day that he broke the moon! Who confirmed it? Again the same person! He shouted one day that he went to skies on a flying donkey to meet Allah! Who confirmed it? Again the same person! He shouted one day that he has seen heaven and hell! Who confirmed it? Again the same person! (Now let me use your own language!)

        and see How Big Fool You are…you believed it….

        What is the proof that Muhammad was prophet….??????? Give me any single proof…

        Muhammad was recognized as prophet by most illiterate tribe of that time, The Arabs as per Quran….why to believe them…..

        What a sick ******* liar you are ,…. just by writing “king” you can be King!….fool…grow up

        got it…..!

      • GO AND SHOUT AND PREACH THE VEDAS. WHO WOULD LISTEN??? YOU YOURSELF. WHO WILL GET GOOD THRASHING FROM YOUR OWN BROTHERS-YOU YOURSELF. WHO HAS HALF KNOWLEDGE, MAYBE NO KNOWLEDGE-YOU YOURSELF.
        WHO IS DISTURBED,JEALOUS BY THE SPREAD OF ISLAM-YOU YOURSELF.

        IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS SPREAD THE MESSAGE OF VEDAS. WHO IS STOPPING FROM DOING THAT. YOU SPEND YOUR ENTIRE TIME ON THE NET WRITING ALL SORTS OF RUBBISH. I WONDER WHEN WILL YOU PREACH THE VEDAS. IN THE LAST ONE YEAR HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE STARTED FOLLOWING THE VEDAS BY YOUR PREACHING. PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

      • @Tanveer

        Same applies to you. If your cult preaches peace, go and teach talibanis. Why blabbering here? We will see what kind of treatment they gonna give you.

        Jealous??? my foot. We are more concerned about the lives of the innocent people. People who are getting killed in the name of the allah.

      • Definately Roger I would have preached if they had been accessible to me, but I dont know where are they. I can preach Islam only to those to whom I have access. What about you why dont you preach the vedas to hindu brothers? PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE STARTED PRACTISING VEDAS BY GOING THROUGH YOU R WEBSITE 🙂

      • Tanveer, don’t make excuses, say it that you do not have guts to speak in front of them. I can understand, your cult has no place for mercy.

    • @Abdullah
      In Bangladesh Islam leaders proclaimed (released fatwa) that who ever will vote Hindu (politician) will go to hell, to be burned & choaked by merciful Allat…

  43. Dear All critics of Islam,

    Enjoy the worldly life as much as possible, as you have no part in the hereafter. The Final place is Hell for you all that is for sure and you will see the Hell with your very eyes. And we will meet on the day of Judgement. “The Judgement is there for sure” As GOD will judge between us. And will be rewarded with Hell or Heaven which is eternal and forever.

    Abdullah

    • Look at this wisdom of this gentleman. What is here after? What is this worldly life? At least he should explain what he means about worldly life.

      But the fact is life of hereafter, which he mentions proudly, is very much worldly life; houris and boys for sex; cushions and carpets in heaven; glasses of wine; and if Muslim guy is married. besides all houris he also gets his wives on the earth.

      What does a woman gets? She gets her husband. Look at the twisted logic. Forget about this.

      Allah awards this kind of worldly life to those who have raped , killed and robbed; which he sanctioned in Koran.

      Now probably it is clear, why Muslims blow themselves up?

      Allah gave one reason why men should live: to worship and serve him.

      But he gave many reasons for death: sex and wine; pearls and pleasure.

    • @Abdullah

      this statement written on a camel bone and transmitted to you by the semi-literate arabs is too much for a man of commonsense to believe

      well common sense is uncommon and i have reason to count them as some 1.5 billion and growing 😉

      the reason is simple ..If you believe that Allah is present everywhere AND also believe that there is heaven and hell …This means that Allah is also present in HELL !!! 🙁

      can’t you see the stupidity of believing in heaven and hell ..it not only goes aginst commonsense but against God who will have to reside in Hell to prove that he is omnipresent

    • @Abdullah
      You can come back to the home of your ancestors, The Vedas. You cant find actual Tawheed other than Vedas.

      Do you think that your ancestors, mother, father, grand mother etc will all go to hell?

    • @Abdullah

      I think you hit the wrong site. This is not a kids site where you can tell us fairy tales of judgement day hell heaven, I suggest you tell this good bedtime story to ur kids, at least this story will be usefull to someone.

      I do not regret being rude to you, you seem to show no mercy for non muslims and you curse them to hell, you are a true terrorist and you are an insult to humanity and the biggest enemy of mankind.

    • @abdullah

      My great sanatan dharma was born BEFORE your cult was born in 8th century arabia.

      So, your false god allah cannot send me to heaven or hell. he did not create me, he cannot kill me. Incidentally I can wipe out his creation, just to prove that false god allah cannot protect his flock.

  44. @ vik

    mate , i told u who the actual momin is , and the concept of kalima in islam as well.. and we only serve and worship ALMIGHTY alone.. obviously its the most basic thing to beleive one-ness of ALMIGHTY and that is what relates one to the truth that is being revealed by ALMIGHTY..

    if u talk about big bang..its a well known fact and agreed by all scientist..where as if u talk about evolution , then there is dispute among scientist , there r 2 major groups i.e evolutionists and creationists..many of the questions are raised against evolution which r still un answered ..so we cannot say evolution is authentic…but big bang is only authentic…

    all the revelations have the same basic purpose and the knowledge required for the people to live life in a proper way.. and we muslims never say that beleiving only in quran makes us muslims, we have to beleive in all the revelations and messengers in order to claim ourselve as a muslim.. and u tell me if beleiving in vedaz is not necessary as per vedic knowledge then y is vedaz being preached ?? y not thrown into the ocean , if its ALMIGHTY’z word , y is it optional as per vedaz to follow it or not ?? if u say its because people have brain , then just throw ur scripture’s in ocean.. if we dont follow ALMIGHTY’z rule , then what is the purpose of brain ?? and the word of ALMIGHTY is perfect if its related to human psychi perfectly.. that is what quran challenges.. its in perfect harmony with human psychi..

    as for killing of kafirs.. quote me n e single verse from the quran with context, that says muslim can start the fight first and can create un justified reasons for fight with them..

    .

    • The Quran that you have with you bro ..has been handed down to you by the companions of the prophet ..

      let’s see what they state categorically about your prophet in Sahih Bukhari (the Hdits are the context of the Quran ..and since you asked for the context here it is)

      Book 001, Number 0030:
      It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH SAID : I HAVE BEEN COMMANDED TO FIGHT AGAINST PEOPLE SO LONG AS THEY DO NOT DECLARE THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH , and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.

      Book 001, Number 0031:
      It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I have been commanded to fight against people, till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the messenger (from the Lord) and in all that I have brought. And when they do it, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

      Book 001, Number 0032:
      It is narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded that I should fight against people till they declare that there is no god but Allah, and when they profess it that there is no god but Allah, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah, and then he (the Holy Prophet) recited (this verse of the Holy Qur’an):” Thou art not over them a warden” (lxxxviii, 22).

      Book 001, Number 0033:
      It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

      Book 001, Number 0034:
      It Is narrated on the authority of Abu Malik: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: He who professed that there is no god but Allah and made a denial of everything which the people worship beside Allah, his property and blood became inviolable, an their affairs rest with Allah.

      Book 001, Number 0035:
      Abu Malik narrated on the authority of his father that he heard the Apostle (may peace be upon him) say: He who held belief in the unity of Allah, and then narrated what has been stated above.

      source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/001.smt.html#001.0030

      as for the various hate filled quranic verses which demand muslims to START hating and hurting the mushriks and kafirs without any provocation ..browse the comments ..you would find pleantiful of them

      hope that removes your doubts about the manifest and commanded violence in Quran

      • @ indian agostic

        show me n e single hadith or verse of quran with context that tells a muslim to start a fight i.e fight to kill .. what u’ve quoted is a fighting in a sense “to be against” .. there is nothing like killing mentioned here..

      • @danish alvi

        Sir..ARE YOU SMALL-LETTER BLIND ?

        YOU DINT READ THE WHOLE ACCOUNT I GUESS..HERE IT IS AGAIN IN CAPS

        ” I HAVE BEEN COMMANDED TO FIGHT AGAINST PEOPLE SO LONG AS THEY DO NOT DECLARE THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH, AND HE WHO PROFESSED IT WAS GUARANTEED THE PROTECTION OF HIS <<>> AND <<>> ON MY BEHALF”

        what can be more clear than this : Muhammad would START fighting with any non-muslim till they accept islam OTHERWISE they would lose their PROPERTY and LIFE.

        in another hadit the same thing is explained clearly

        SAHIH BUKHARI 52:96
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        Allah ‘s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ HIS LIFE AND PROPERTY will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”

        NOT ONLY THAT ..MUHAMMAD SAY’S ELSEWHERE:

        http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/abudawud/014.sat.html#014.2498
        Book 14, Number 2498:
        Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
        The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Use your property, your persons any your tongues in striving against the polytheists.

        Muhammad guarantees heaven for a Muslim who kills a non-muslim

        http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/020.smt.html#020.4662
        Book 020, Number 4662:
        It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: No two such persons shall be together in Hell as if one of them is such that his presence hurts the other. It was asked: Messenger of Allah, who are they? He said: A believer who killed a disbeliever and (then) kept to the right path.”

        I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON …THE HADITS AND MANY VERSES OF THE QURAN ARE FULL OF HATE VERSES AND GLORIFICATION OF JIHAD AS ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION WHERE THE GOD AND THE PROPHET TAKE 1/5th OF THE LOOT AND PLUNDER AS A SHARE.

        CAN YOU CALL ARELIGION WHOSE GOD LIVES ON THE MONEY OF LOOT AND PLUNDER >>A RELIGION OF PEACE ?

        WAKE UP!

      • @ indian agnostic

        the point is again very simple to understand.. it is only to call upon people to worship the only ALMIGHTY .. and everything else comes after that.. prophet muhammad(peace be upon him) said that he was ordered to strive against all non beleivers i.e all those who serve and worship n e thing besides ALMIGHTY for e.g demi godz or created things like air , water . sun etc .. but striving does’nt mean to kill or fight physically with every non beleiver .. as its mentioned in quran ALMIGHTY doesnt forbid us to be just and kind with the non beleivers who dont fight us on our faith or dont drive out us from our homes as ALMIGHTY loves those who r just..

      • when the prophet threatens people that their LIFE …LIFE …LIFE …LIFE …LIFE …LIFE …LIFE and property would NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT be SAFE….SAFE…. SAFE… if they don’t convert to islam ..it simply means that they WILL LOSE LOSE LOSE THEIR LIFE LIFE LIFE for not accepting Islam.

        It’s so clear and unambiguous.

        and to your point that Muhammad had some great love for Allah ..it is JOKE JOKE JOKE !

        Muhammad created the JIZYA JIZYA JIZYA JIZYA JIZYA system in which ONE CAN PRAY PRAY PRAY TO STONES OR IDOLS IDOLS IF ONE PAYS THE MUSLIM INVADER INVADER INVADER THJE JIZYA JIZYA JIZYA..

        WHY DID MUHAMMAD ALLOW PEOPLE TO PRAY TO IDOLS IF THEY PAID MOOLA TO THE MULLAH ? ..his love for Allah was NOT NOT NOT greater than HIS HIS LOVE LOVCE FOR MONEY WOMEN AND TERRITORY

        got it sir ?

        if you lie more ..i will end up exposing more 🙁

      • here Mr Danish Alvi is some more unambiguous and solid evidence of how Islam attacks non-muslims WITHOUT ANY REASON aoart from the INHERENT violence that characterizes Islam

        Sahih Muslim
        —————
        Book 031, Number 5917:

        Suhail reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said on the Day of Khaibar: I shall certainly give this standard in the hand of one who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah will grant victory at his hand. Umar b. Khattab said: Never did I cherish for leadership but on that day. I came before him with the hope that I may be called for this, but Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) called ‘Ali b. Abu Talib and he conferred (this honour) upon him and said: Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory, and ‘Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah’s Messenger, ————ON WHAT ISSUE SHOULD I FIGHT WITH THE PEOPLE? Thereupon he (the PROPHET) SAID: FIGHT THEM UNTIL THEY BEAR TESTIMONY TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.

        http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/031.smt.html#031.5917

        Such is rabid war mongering in the name of Islam..without any provocation but just spilling blood and looting properties of innocent non-muslims

    • @Danish Alvi

      my friend, you do not understand. The way I have seen it, many stories of the Quran depict Mohammad to be equivalent to Allah. For example, I heard, on judgement day, Mohammad will be sitting next to Allah advising him who to send to hell or heaven. Now, nothing sounds more than a joke here. Allah being omniscient, needs an advice from a human????

      Why cannot the kalima simply state “I testify there are no gods but One God” what is the need to bring “Mohammad is his messenger”?

      Big Bang theory is not a fact. That is the main reason they still call it big bang “theory” and not big bang “fact”. There are still some evidence that goes against this theory, so that is the reason it cannot be concluded as a fact yet.

      brother, since God is all powerful, cant he just send one revelation that can be applicable to any human regardless of any era????? That is the case with Vedas, it was applicable to humans back then, and to humans right now. And please stop using the silly example of a teacher and a student since teacher is not ALL POWERFUL as God.

      You know and I know, Ishwar/God can easily send a revelation at the beginning of the world, preserve it till now, and make it applicable to all humans of all eras. But your Allah (according to islam and Quran) could not do this. What does this mean???

      And brother, Vedas were not sent from God in the form as you think. Nor they were revealed in the manner of Mohammad and Quran. Vedas are already present in our minds. We just got to recognize them and experience them.

      Now you say, why preach Vedas if they do not demand preaching like the Quran?

      Yes, Vedas do not force anyone to believe in them. Vedas are sacred knowledge. And many humans are fond of gaining new knowledge so why not divine knowledge so they can know what is going on in this world? And if you learn knowledge you benefit from it. Just like if theres a mathematical book or physics book, if you read it, your the one who will gain knowledge. If you do not read it, you will not gain any knowledge but will have to wait until someone propagtes this knowledge to you by speaking. The author of the math book or physics book does not care if you read his book or not right???

      But again a person who reads a book, will be knowledgeable in life wheras a person who doesnt, will have to rely on others to teach him. If he had read it alone, then he would be the one teaching others. But ultimately everyone will be capable of earning bliss by doing good deeds.

      Whereas Quran, if i look at it, and I do not believe in it to be the word of God, I willl burn in hell for such a minor reason like that. Vedas, either way, you accept them or reject them, but as long as you do good deeds, you will attain bliss………………………Did you note the differences??

      thats the purpose of human brain. On contrary there is no use of human brain in QUran since people have to blindly follow Quran to be Allah’s word. Now, if they use their brain or think they will be sentenced to forever hell……tell me what is the use of the brain????

      Vedas………………were attained by using brains……….meditating to an exalted state where your mind gets inspired by divinity, so was the brain not needed here????

      As far as Quran goes with kafir killing, there are many verses where Quran explicitly orders to kill kafirs. Many muslims complain that it is out of context and its for wars only. But my question is that could wars only happen between kafirs and muslims?????? Today there are wars between muslims and muslims…………….shias and sunnis………………………If allah wanted to express war verses, he could have simply used the word opponents instead of kafir. Since he uses kafir this means he is biased towards kafirs. And kafir is anyone who rejects islam as a religion.

      • @ vik

        do not percept by urself , the point is , we muslims beleive as per islamic teachings its been said that muhammad(peace be upon him) will be our savior on the day of judgement i.e savior of all the beleivers INSHA-ALLAH .. we beleive that there is no one more closer to ALMIGHTY then prophet muhammad(peace be upon him) because the only thing that make’s someone closer to ALMIGHTY is beleiving in ALMIGHTY alone and righteous deeds and abstraining from bad deedz .and muhammad(peace be upon him) life was , is and will be the best example in this way..

        y we muslims beleive in quran and to an extent, which people think is blind beleive , it is because we r sure that quran is only truth and justified guidelines for humanity to lead proper life and to attain ALMIGHTY’z consiousness to the highest level that one could reach..

        we have all the free will to choose right or wrong path , there is no compulsion in islam , neither for the muslims(i.e in terms of deeds) nor for non muslims(i.e to except islam).. those who beleive ALMIGHTY alone and follow ALMIGHTY’z commandments will attain peace here in this world and in hereafter and those who deviate i.e the wrong doer’s will be in darkness forever i.e here and in hereafter..

        islamic criteria is simple if one will’s to understand it .. islam is attaining peace by submitting our will to ALMIGHTY , as simple as that.. the most basic thing is to serve and worship ALMIGHTY alone without through demigodz etc..

        this life is a test for us , what ever we’ll do here ..we’ll get equivalent reward in the hereafter.. if somebody dont beleive in hereafter , hell and heaven , then there is no logical point about considering n e thing good or bad , then everything must be considered in same level..

      • @Danish alvi

        have you married your daughter in law? have you slaughtered 800 jews who have surrendered to you? have you slept with any of the wives or daughters of the non-muslims whom you slay? have you slept with your maid servant by sending your wife somewhere else by lying to her?

        If your answer is no ..you cannot be in the footsteps of most perfect man this world has ever seen ….a gandhi, motherv teresa or Buddha are the dust inforont of the great muhammad who did all these divine acts !

        is that want us to appreciate?

      • @ indian agnostic :

        muhammad(peace be upon him) is not a father of any muslim , and no adopted son is considered as a son until he has been fed by the wife of a man who adopted the son..

        read that incident properly..only the army men of jews were killed ..

        muhammad(peace be upon him) never had intercourse with n e women except his wifes..

      • @danish bro

        you must be ashamed of your insincerity in reading these account as they are.

        Muhammad sent Ali to attack these people.Ali dint know on what account to fight with them.Muhammad said Fight with them to believe in Allah and Muhammad..else kill them.

        This is how dacoits and dictators act ..not perfect human beings.

        IF MUHAMMAD IS NOT THE FATHER OF ANY MUSLIM HOW CAN HIS WIVES BECOME THE MOTHERS OF ALL MUSLIMS ?

        the answer is simple ..Muhammad is not the father of muslims because that way he could sleep with the wife of his adopted son..and muhammad’s wives are the mothers of the muslims so that no muslim could sleep with his wives after he is dead.

        got it bro ? ..takes no more than common sense

        Also you don;t realize that Muhammad indeed slept with Maria the copt by sending his wife hafsa out of the house by laying to her

        if you don;t know about your religion and it’s accounts …better keep quiet than letting me expose more gems of the religion of peace

      • @ indian agnostic

        show me the authentic refference for the claim u have made ..

        and as i told u , keep ur personal perception outta islam..

        muhammad(peace be upon him) is not a father of n e muslim , i.e because of that adopted son issue revealed by ALMIGHTY in quran and secondly he had a son who died in his early age..this is also a symbol that no prophet will come from muhammad(peace be upon him) generation and even out side of it as he is the last among the prophets of ALMIGHTY..

      • @Danish Alvi

        I have already given you the authentic references from the Sahih Hadits (Bukhari and Muslim )

        It’s just that you ignored the post..here they are again

        ❶Muhammad’s Objective:fight every one and anyone who does not submit to Muhammad’s lord.

        Sahih Bukhari – 52:196
        Narrated Abu Huraira:
        Allah ‘s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.196

        ❷ Muhammad’s three options for the non-muslims whom they encounter in the suo moto holy war (‘expedition’ they used to call it ..as if going on a hunt for animals)

        Sahih Muslim
        Book 019, Number 4294:
        It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of Muhairs and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajirs. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muilims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai’ except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah’s Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah’s behest with regard to them.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4294

        ❸Sudden Night raids on an unaware people.Prophet allows killing of women and children as they are polytheists

        Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:
        Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:
        The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.256

        ❹attack anybody without provocation

        Volume 4, Book 52, Number 234:
        Narrated Anas:
        The Prophet reached Khaibar in the morning, while the people were coming out carrying their spades over their shoulders. When they saw him they said, “This is Muhammad and his army! Muhammad and his army!” So, they took refuge in the fort. The Prophet raised both his hands and said, “Allahu Akbar, Khaibar is ruined, for when we approach a nation (i.e. enemy to fight) then miserable is the morning of the warned ones.” Then we found some donkeys which we (killed and) cooked: The announcer of the Prophet announced: “Allah and His Apostle forbid you to eat donkey’s meat.” So, all the pots including their contents were turned upside down.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.052.234

        ❺ Muhammad sends a goon to attack non-muslims.The goon doesn’t know on what account he should pick up a figjht!!!!! ..as always Muhammad has the standard answer ..pick up a fight in the name of Islam ..submiot or perish!!!

        Sahih Muslim
        Book 031, Number 5917:
        Suhail reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said on the Day of Khaibar: I shall certainly give this standard in the hand of one who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah will grant victory at his hand. Umar b. Khattab said: Never did I cherish for leadership but on that day. I came before him with the hope that I may be called for this, but Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) called ‘Ali b. Abu Talib and he conferred (this honour) upon him and said: Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory, and ‘Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah’s Messenger, ————ON WHAT ISSUE SHOULD I FIGHT WITH THE PEOPLE? Thereupon he (the PROPHET) SAID: FIGHT THEM UNTIL THEY BEAR TESTIMONY TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.
        source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/031.smt.html#031.5917

        Got it? …the sahih muslim and sahih bukhari are not @Indian Agnostic’s personal opinions ..they are your revered books

        NOW YOU ESCAPED THE QUESTION : IF MUHAMMAD IS NOT THE FATHER OF ANY MUSLIM –HOW COME MUHAMMAD”S WIVES BECOME THE MOTHER OF ALL MUSLIMS ????

      • @ indian agnostic

        no war is faught without a reason.. and muslims r not allowed to start a fight first.. all the wars , raids were the result of what non muslims did to muslims first.. fighting is not always physical , it even means simply going against..

        muslims cannot fight without a reason i.e muslims can fight if non muslims fights us on our faith or drive us out of our homes ,otherwise we should treat non muslims with kindness and justice

        “Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.” (quran 60 : 8) ..

        and there is no compulsion in islam and no non muslim is to be forced to except islam…

        “And We have sent you (Muhammad) as a Messenger to mankind, and Allah is sufficient as a Witness. He who obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then We have not sent you as a watcher over them.” (quran 4 : 79-80)

        as for wifes of prophet muhammad(peace be upon him) being mothers of all momin’s is a value given to them only , as we love and respect our mothers we should respect them similarly..

      • “Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.”
        (quran 60 : 8 )

      • @Danish Alvi

        this is not my perecption brother, I am telling you the reality of ur religion. As far as prophet Mohammad goes, for us, there are two Mohammads. One is the Mohammad described in the Quran and Hadith, whom we condemn, since no sensible person will appreciate an once of his dirty behaviours. The other Mohammad is the real Mohammad whom we consider a role model.

        We beleive Hadiths and Quran to be UNauthentic, which have been written and corrupted miserably so that is why they speak ill about Mohammad. We only condemn Mohammad that is described in Quran and Hadiths.

        So I suggest u read the Hadiths carefully and distinguish the true Mohammad from the false disgusting Mohammad..

        How can this life be a test brother, tell me why do kids die at the age of two??? why did Allah give those kids an easy test???? why do some people get tested for 100 years and some get test for 1 year????? Do you have an answer for this???

        These are all stupid made up ideologies to fool people. Just think sensibly about all this.

      • @Danish Alvi

        According to your logic, besides Mohammad, there were many people who believed in one God alone, and did righteous deeds, and abstrained from bad deeds.

        The biggest saviour in your life is you brother. All these prophets and rishis were just good saints for whom we have tremendous amount of respect, but we cannot consider them next to God can we?????

        We believe that Quran you see today is defective since it contains many humiliating verses against Mohammad. In fact, the entire Quran only supports believers and curses all kafirs for hell. Tell me, can a kafir who does good deeds daily, who believes in One God, but doesnt consider the Quran or any prophet to be divine go to paradise??????

        These are all ways to advertise islam made by the arabs. Think of this. If you accept islam, you all your sins will be automatically washed even if you commited to the most heinous sins, just by speaking the shahada, you reset to score zero. If any muslim tries to leave islam, he is to be killed on the spot. Can you explain to me about the Moghal Empire???? Did they follow the Quran or the verse which says “there is no compulsion in religion”?

        How can life be a test???????????//

        Please read the article on this site called “God must be Crazy” and try your best to answer questions raised in that article.

        You will see how unfair is Allah in appointing different tests to people.

        The most general rule of a test is ( I am assuming you attended high school) that everyone starts at the same time and everyone is given the SAME length of time. Now, from my example, you see that this test concept is debunked.

      • @ vik

        a person like u who dont know what islam is actually , how can u talk sensible then ? ,

        let me tell u , islam is based on justice… whether a person excepts islam , he still has to pay his due credits and n e thing related to other humans and if he had violated human rights by n e means , he should pay back and repent to all those people.. the sins that are forgiven r the one like having alcohol ,which deals with him only and all the prayers charity etc , that he missed being a non muslim r forgiven once he excepts islam…

        as muslim means a person who submits his will to ALMIGHTY alone.. so for that aspect one should beleive in one ALMIGHTY alone .. rest comes after that.. once u beleive in ALMIGHTY then u have to look and search out for the truth in all aspect .. and ALMIGHTY will guide u.. once a person beleive in one ALMIGHTY and leave all the demigods.. this is the criteria of guidance ..

        i dont know about mughal’z .. if they or n e other muslims made other’s except islam forcefully , they were plain wrong as per quran ..

        how about,if i say u passed ur high school in 2008 and ur younger brother in 2010 ?? the courses remains same .. i hope u got ur answer ..

      • @ vik

        there will not be even slightest of injustice ,,, person will be judged on his deeds who beleives in one ALMIGHTY alone and who strives for truth in all aspect …

  45. @ vik

    we can only pray to ALMIGHTY alone .. this is what the islamic teachings says and all the prophets convey this very same message , because praying is related to servitude and worship which only ALMIGHTY deserves alone..

    does everybody or the majority of the people in world understand sanskirt ?? mate , what r translations for ?? quran is translated into numerous languages through out the world.

    all the revelations of ALMIGHTY that came before quran were manupulated as per understanding of the people or just by their plain ignorance to the orignal wordz of ALMIGHTY .. the time before last prophet , is considered as age of ignorance ..

    final messenger of ALMIGHTY i.e prophet muhammad was illeterate , he didnt know how to read and write , and on him final revelation of ALMIGHTY quran was revealed by ALMIGHTY through angel “Jibraeel” who taught him quran, it is a book of sign’z i.e what was the case in the time of the prophets before prophet muhammad ,, but most importantly the revelation revealed to prophet muhammad got the basic’s as those basic’s were revealed before 2 other prophets as well i.e the concept of “tauheed” one-ness of ALMIGHTY .. since the final revelation is revealed for whole of the human kind , so it contains each n every aspect of how to lead a good life with proper guidance for the people.. and even those signs r there in quran , which we get to know in our modern era i.e technoligies and science..

    does ur veda’z claim to be first and last revelation of ALMIGHTY ?? we muslims r sure about quran is the final revelation of ALMIGHTY as its mention in quran..

    • @Danish Alvi

      My dear brother,

      All rishis and prophets who have given us this precious wisdom of worshipping Ishwar can highly be appreciated by all of us. But why should we take their names in our prayers when remembering Ishwar alone?????

      brother, you have still not answered by question, which was why did Allah choose to preserve only Quran and chose to end all revelations on Mohammad???

      As far as Sanskrit goes, it was the language of the entire continent millions of years ago, but only India gave it value. Sanskrit does not belong to a particular one country like arabic. Go read history, the ancient persian languages have their roots in Sanskrit as well. Why do you think everyone calls Sanskrit the MOTHER of all languages????

      brother translating Quran into numerous languages is not a big deal. We can do the same for any book too by making numerous translations of it. But we must stick the original language which is separate and does not belong to any one particular country.

      brother, you keep saying all earlier revelations were manipulated, do you have any proof of their manipulations????? Have you read the original scriptures as they were sent on the first try???? Just because all these scriptures today do not match your Quran 100% you people came with the conclusion that they have been manipulated. Brother, no one is going to believe these silly stories. You have to prove all this by logic. All the jibrail and Mohammad stuff are pure stories for us. Mohammad may have been an illiterate, but he was able to talk and listen. So he must have spoke to many jews and christians that time who educated him on religion and prophets. If not Mohammad, maybe Mohammad’s arab associates have done all this. Brother what is so great about signs???

      brother ask yourself logically, why did Allah send Quran??? If Quran was sent because earlier revelations were corrupted, then why did Allah not guard those revelations???? If Allah wanted to add more to his revelations with prevailing time, then Allah is not a perfect God.

      A revelation should be given at the beginning of human civilization, since its the revelation of God, no matter how much a human tries to corrupt it, it will never get corrupted. And that revelation should contain all the full knowledge needed to humans rather than sending updated revelations every era. So only Vedas pass this test. Vedas were the first and final given. Vedas contain all the knowledge that humans need regardless or time or era.

      Brother It doesnt matter whether a holy book tells you that this is final or not, because we cannot use the holy book itself to prove its divinity. Just because Quran says it is from God, does not mean we have to consider it from God. We have to use external sources to prove its divinity. In this case, the external source is pure logic itself.

      Just because Quran itself says it is the final revelation and all earlier ones have been corrupted, does not convince us of it being divine. According to that logic, if a criminal who robbed 20 banks stands in the court, and says “your honor, I did not rob a single bank, so please let me go”, so you being the judge will let him go since he said he never robbed any bank. If you were a sensible judge, you would base your decision on all the evidence against him. The same is the case of Quran, we cannot accept its divinity just because it itself claims to be divine. So whether it be Quran or any holy book, as long as they themselves claim to be divine, we cannot accept them based on their own claims. We have to logically investigate each scripture.

      Vedas being the oldest scriptures to mankind is a fact. So even if your not a Vedic follower, you must be free of doubt that it must be the word of God. All good things in Quran are present in Vedas, but many good things in Vedas are not present in Quran.

      • @ vik

        mate , sanskrit might be mother of all languages but does it make n e difference to present world ?? as sanskrit in particular is not among the top languages of world today ..

        y did ALMIGHTY choose muhammad(peace be upon him) as last messenger, is the question like y ALMIGHTY sent the very first revelation on the face of the earth ?? ALMIGHTY could have also put in the knowledge in the mind of every human being when ALMIGHTY created us.. and there would not have been in n e need of revelation at all .. but ALMIGHTY willed something else.. and nobody can challenge or go against ALMIGHTY’z will..

        the concept is pretty simple , ALMIGHTY is the only one WHO will remain forever and everything in the world will have to perish someday , ALMIGHTY guarded final revelation quran and not the other’s because quran is in itself a summary of all the previous revelations i.e complete guidance for humanity i.e for those who understands and seek truth in all aspect .. all previous revelations were meant for people belonging to their own nation i.e there were not many divisions among humanity in previous times, as we see it now in the modern world .. at prophet muhammad’z time there were many divisions different nations altogether , so the final revelation came from ALMIGHTY in order to guide all humanity altogether till the end of this world …

        now think logically , if only one reminder would’ve been sent from ALMIGHTY i.e one revelation , would the people born later would’ve have beleived it to be the word of ALMIGHTY ?? those who were born later and got to know that this is one and only book from ALMIGHTY , what if they would have said , how can it be the book of ALMIGHTY ? .. ALMIGHTY mentioned in quran “there is not a nation to whom we not sent a messenger” and its been well known in islamic teachings that many revelations were revealed before quran as well , but by name only 4 are mentioned in quran.. there was no science established before few centuries ago , how could the ancient people of early era would got to know about ALMIGHTY from the signs ? , because a new generation is with altogether different mind set and at those times there were’nt many divisions , so revelations sent as a reminder talking about the same concept again n again as we know today, became in itself a logical for the people of all nations that came before last messenger that ALMIGHTY exists , but then , many of the people from each nation went astray , this is another reason for the repitition of revelations in each nation before prophet muhammad..

        today the majority of the population of world r christians and muslims , and christians r the people of book 2 thats mentioned in quran ..as i said earlier , every muslim has the duty to spread the truth i.e msg from ALMIGHTY’z last revelation i.e quran .. there is no compulsion , there is no forcefully exceptance to islam , that is what mentioned in quran and islamic teachings ..

        people from different faiths ask for authenticity of quran so as to consider it the word of ALMIGHTY , they surely can ask in search of a truth, and we muslims must acquire knowledge so as to answer the claims of non muslims, and quran has all the answer’s for those who seek truth and knowledge in all aspect… and the hell fire mentioned is for those who receieved the truth and signs of ALMIGHTY and yet not beleived it .. other’s who didnt receive the msg at all, ALMIGHTY know’z best what wil be the case between them and ALMIGHTY .. but then again , a person is blessed with a brain by ALMIGHTY , so one must always seek for truth and knowledge and wisdom in all aspect , so as to reach ALMIGHTY’z …

      • @Danish Alvi

        It doesnt make a difference????? A language belonging to a particular country makes the revelation partial. For example, a revelation sent in arabic for arab or a revelation sent in chinese for china makes them partial.

        I agree needs to be revived but it doesnt mean we ignore sanskrit just because it is no longer prevalent today. Arabic was never a popular language of the world, nor back in those days, nor today.

        My question is not why Allah chose Mohammad, my question is why did Allah chose to give a final revelation and why did he put a full stop on revelations after Quran??? If Quran was sent because earlier revelations were not guarded then my question is why those revelations were not guarded??? If Allah decided to send his knowledge in bits and pieces, then Allah is not a perfect God. If Allah wanted, he could have given full knowledge directly in his first revelation and also guarded that revelation, but He chose not to…..why????

        You are right, Ishwar could have already make knowledge be present in us as soon as we were created, but guess what my friend, that is exactly the case with Vedas.

        Vedas mean sacred knowledge which one can achieve after eliminating ignorance in their minds by meditation. Ishwar never gave rishies four thick books and told them to read them and pass it down. Rishis meditated and they were inspired by divine knowledge by Ishwar in their meditation and then spoke the mantras.

        The rishis, and all of us even today, already have Vedic knowledge present in us. The only difference is that the Rishis destroyed all their ignorances of mind and kept meditating, until they reached to an exalted state where they spoke Vedic verses. Even you and me could do the same today, if we meditate, we would also experience the same Vedic verses that rishis spoke at the inception.

        Vedas are protected in a coding mechanism in a way where it cannot be altered by anyone, hence Vedas can never be changed which proves that they are the word of Ishwar. If any revelation of God can be altered or corrupted, then it can never be a revelation of God.

        Why could have not God Almighy give one revelation which is applicable to all times and eras, rather than sending one two…………then a final which is the summary of all. If Allah is all powerful, He should be able to make a revelation that is applicable to all nations in one go and which contains full knowlege right?????

        Sorry, brother, but your arguments are not logical here, no one is going to believe these stories.

        If people are born after a revelation, how will they believe it to be God’s??

        Again, this question is baseless. I am born after the revelation of Quran, yet no effect. According to your logic, a revelation of God should be sent every year, because many people are born every year, otherwise they would doubt the previous ones.

        Christians are people of the book and not hindus because the Quran compilers did not know anyreligion of the east. Mohammad and his companions only spent time with Jews and Christians, and I have proven this in my article. Please read the article “Was Islam a Revelation of Allah?”. This article is on this same site. Please read it and understand it in terms of logic.

        All the four revelations mentioned in the Quran were revealed in the same geographic area. This area is made of Israel, Saudi, Egypt, and nearby. Did you ever wonder why all four revelations mentioned were found in this area????????

        If Allah wrote the Quran, Allah would have named four different revelations revealed in four different corners of the world.

        How come Allah did not mention the revelation of India and China

      • @ vik

        thats really funny mate .. actually u say the first 4 rishi’s through whom u get the knowledge and wisdom known as “veda”z” i.e words of ALMIGHTY , u r 50 50 aboyt the concept of beleiving them or not . instead u give it a name of respect ,what u offer them .. we muslims beleive in all the rishi’s/messenger’s and we respect them all..

        u said , even we can get the mantra’s in our mnd like those rishi’s if we meditate like them ?? is it ?? i never knew that , rishi’s/messenger’s were common people like us and not the choosen one by ALMIGHTY.. but they were actually choosen people 🙂

        ALMIGHTY sent reminder’s in the langauges spoken in each nation through the messengers choosen from among the people.. this was to let people know ,who went astray in each nation ,that come back to ALMIGHTY , come back to straight path or otherwise be ready for ALMIGHTY’z punishment .. this was the prime msg of each revelation from ALMIGHTY.. and there were guidance in the revelations for the people of that time accordingly..

        even that comes to my mind veda’z could be copied religion from the oldest scriptures ?? y not ? as we muslims beleive the very first person on earth “adam” as the messenger of ALMIGHTY so the roots of islam are found ,since the human generation started, where as veda’z r merely 5 to 10 thousandz year old only… and people divided into different nations slowly and gradually , different countries were made etc.. as per islamic teachings , there were around 124,000 messengers sent including final messenger prophet muhammad(peace be upon him) .. so that is a long long time back since generation started, lot more then 5 to 10 thousand year ago i.e when veda’s came into existance.. if not copied then veda’z can be a divine revelation to the people of that time .. if its copied the source would be previous messengers b4 the time of veda’z

        christians and jews r the people of book , yet they r not following their scriptures according to the actual teaching of their prophets , the deviated concept of ALMIGHTY is what they r upto even now.. but y does quran and veda’z have the very same basic concept and the actual vedic followers and islamic followers serve and worship only one ALMIGHTY without through idolz .. why ?? why is this similarity , and that 2 in a most BASIC concept i.e concept of ALMIGHTY..

        islamic beleive is absolutely authentic to the core , we never say , revelations with altogether different concept were revealed in different times , what we say is , ALMIGHTY as a reminder to people among all nations , sent messengers from among them and the revelations that repeated the same msg in the languages people understood ,so that they may attain the right path and do not deviate from it.. last revelation is guarded that contains all the same msgs as revelations before , summarised but clear , and as it is meant for all human kind.. so instead of going through 4 books(veda’z) and un countable verses , in quran people find around 6666 verses which are complete guidance to humanity and even in accordance to modern established science … along with prophet muhammad authentic hadiths are for our guidance too ..

      • @Danish Alvi

        Rishis were not chosen people in the sense how Allah chose messengers randomly. Before every creation of the earth, Ishwar picks the most purest souls and gives them the body of rishis, so they can propagate Vedic knowledge. If you do good deeds, perhaps you can even qualify to become a rishi in the next world creation.

        Wheras all the islamic prophets were chosen randomly.

        At the inception, there were only limited humans, so how can you speak of tribes?? Slowly slowly these humans grew in population and migrated to different geographies of the world.

        How could Vedas be a copied religion??? It is a universal fact now that Vedas are the oldest scriptures on earth, how can you deny that????? Even your Torah or Tawrat is not even close to the age of Vedas, since Vedas are beginningless.

        This Adam Eve story is all childish. Christians borrowed this story from Jews and arabs borrowed it from Christains and Jews, simple as that. Then arabs converted abraham to ibraheem, and moses to musa , and solomen to sulemaan, and so on. This is how the Quran was made, simple as that.

        However, we do believe there were first humans on earth, but it was not a pair. Ishwar made many pairs of humans during inception. Now, this is sensible since its hard to beleive that we evolved from one pair as adam eve.

        Yes I agree, Vedas and Quran have alot in common, except Vedas to not force you to beleive in them. Vedas do not curse the non believers.

        my dear brother, Quran sent last since all earlier were corrupted or Quran being a summary, brother, these are all rediculous stories to defend the Quran.

        Otherwise I bet, if Quran came before Torah, and Bible was the last, then you would be saying that since Quran came first, it is the word of God and all the ones coming after are frauds………………..brother arabs knew they could not beat time, so they needed a good excuse to promote and propagate their relgioin. Arabs knew that many religions are already prevalent out there so they wanted to make their religion take over. So they announced that Quran is final since all earlier books are corrupted. And to make sure no one uses their own tactic tomarrow on them (means someone tomarrow doesnt bring out their book) arabs have wrote Quran to be final and announced anything coming after the Quran is a fraud. Brother, use logical sense here, try to understand the arabs.

      • @ vik

        http://sacred-texts.com/hin/

        The Vedas

        There are four Vedas, the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda. The Vedas are the primary texts of Hinduism. They also had a vast influence on Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism. Traditionally the text of the Vedas was coeval with the universe. Scholars have determined that the Rig Veda, the oldest of the four Vedas, was composed about 1500 B.C., and codified about 600 B.C. It is unknown when it was finally committed to writing, but this probably was at some point after 300 B.C.

        ————————————

        u talked about some vedic code stuff .. it took about 9 centuries to codify vedas 😮 .. and still written after 3 hundred years while being codified 😮 .. thats y i see such a concept in hinduism..i.e in accurate and illogical , free from one belief un like islam..

      • @Danish

        Brother, the site you provided are by western idologists who know nothing of Vedas. In fact they want to degrade Vedas so they can promote their biblical ideology.

        brother how would you like it if a jew gives you islamic information and explains you Quranic verses??

        These people are idiots they do not know that Vedas are unchangeable.

        check this link out please: and see the proof for yourself

        http://www.satyavidya.org/must-read/unchangeable-vedas

      • @ vik

        mate , even u r claiming the same , that only vedaz r authentic , it is quite understandable though , because u r a vedic follower..

        now, that is a self made story , that world is destroyed everytime and made again.. y it would be the case ?? as humans were created by ALMIGHTY in this world only , as we know through scriptures , many of them infact..

        all the people of book beleive that humanity came through from one single pair , i.e adam(alaeh salaam) is the very ancestor of all human beings , where as u hindus say there were many couples in the beggining , so how to know who is the descendant of which of those males who were all created together in some no. ??

        as i clearly mentioned , we muslims never say , that the messengers that were sent brough different msg , they all were given the same msg and in the language of people of particular nation as quran says “there is not a nation, to whom ALMIGHTY has not sent a messenger” ..

        and let me remind u mate , we r not forcing n e body to except islam or to beleive in it .. our duty is to convey the msg to all people , and then only ALMIGHTY know’s who will beleieve and who will not..we cannot force n e body to except islam..

        ALMIGHTY says in quran , act justly as ALMIGHTY love’s the one who r just.. and that justice is for all humanity..the un beleivers r being cursed because they do not serve and worship the only ALMIGHTY in the way they should .. rather many of them associate partners with ALMIGHTY.. that is the reason they r cursed..and the islamic beleive of messenger’s sent before , clearly tells us , that the messenger’s had the same mission i.e to call people upon serving and worshipping the only ALMIGHTY and via good deeds and by abstraining from bad deedz..

        submitting will to ALMIGHTY GOD and doing all the good deedz and abstraining from all the bad deeds , these r the attributes in a person , who we call as a muslim.. such r the people who were and who are the truth seeker’s in all aspect..

      • @Danish Alvi

        well we have to look at each story and see which one is more logical. The story of Bible and Quran is that God creates the universe, humans, destroys and sends humans forever in hell or heaven based on their deeds. Now, your God does not appear to be perfect. A perfect God should operate continously on every thing without any interuptions and disturbances. What was Allah doing before creating the universe??? Siting on His throne for fun???

        Now the Ishwar of Vedas, creates the world, creates the first humans, maintains the world, and it will get destroyed, and then recreated, in endless cycles, so you can see Ishwar has been perfect, without any interruptions, wheras Allah creates the world then spends the eternity with you people in heaven.

        Also as per Vedas, God, Soul and predominal matter are eternal, they were never created nor destroyed. Whereas Allah is the only one eternal, and He created everything. Now may I ask you, if Allah created matter, then where was Allah prior to creating matter???? Was He not surrounded by matter???? Now see, islam doesnt make sense. The truth is that matter is eternal.

        brother, how can we all come from a single pair, this implies the kids of Adam and Eve married each other, and this is biologically risky in terms of genetic strands. Brother, its not possible for the population you see today, for it to diverge from a single pair. It is common sense, that we came from different ancestors. And majority of the humans were created in asia. This is why you see india and china having the greatest population today.

        Not forcing anyone to accept islam??? Do you have any idea how Pakistan and Bangladesh became muslim countries???? Even though islam originated in Saudi?? Moghal emperors killed and forced many hindus to convert. Please go read your history.

        Many people want to leave islam, but they are scared to get killed. As per Zakir Naik, whom muslims consider the biggest hardcore prophet today, says that apostates should be killed, now what can be a greater example of terrorism than this????? Saudi Arabia kills anyone who leaves islam, is that fair???? Do we do that for Vedas??????? See Vedas do not even demand anyone to believe in them, its purely your choice and by not reading Vedas, you can still achieve bliss and goodness by doing good deeds.

        tell me my dear friend, why did Allah not mention the name of any messenger or revelation explicitly which was sent to Southern Asia?????? or North America????? Did Allah not have the knowledge or did the arab compilers of the Quran were unaware of the religions of the east????

        Quran has many places where it says to kill kafirs, to hate Jews, to hate kafirs, do you find any of these features in Vedas??????

        Quran divides humans into momins and kafirs.(rejectors of Quran) and Vedas simply say all are humans. There is no such thing as a kafir or idolator as per Vedas.

        That makes Islam contradictory, on one hand you say do not associate partners with Allah, then on the other you people recite Mohammad’s name while praying to Allah. I mean when you say the kalima, you say both names.

        Whereas, when we pray to Ishwar, we only recite Ishwar, we do not associate any name of the rishis when worshipping Ishwar.

        You are partially right, but not completely. In order to be a muslim, you have to blindly believe in the Quran (even if you dont like it) and you have to believe in Mohammad as the last messenger. Otherwise, even if you submit your will to God and do good things, you will still burn in hell for not believing in Quran.

        Tell me, if I want to worship only Allah, but I refuse to believe in Quran or any other revelation, and I always do good deeds, will I go to heaven???????????

        I wont right???????????

        see thats islam

      • @ vik

        mate , whats imperfect about quran ??

        1) ALMIGHTY created everything , what ever we know and what is still to be known and what we cant know .. moral is that ALMIGHTY is uncreated and everything else that exist is created by ALMIGHTY , heavens and earth were joined together at first and then seperated , thats a big bang theory that we know, mentioned in quran.. whats imperfect about islam ??

        2) ALMIGHTY’z very first created human i.e adam(alaeh salaam) was the very first messenger of ALMIGHTY , he lived for many years and propagated the msg of ALMIGHTY to his generation until he was alive.. and then the chain of messengers went on .. people were not qualified enough in the early times , messengers and revelations was to make them realize about basic truth i.e ALMIGHTY .. islamic beleive is , all the messenger’s and revalations before prophet muhammad(alaeh salaam) were sent for their respective nation according to the understanding of that people and the basic concept of “tauheed” i.e one-ness of ALMIGHTY…and then came the final messenger with final revelation with the same basic concept and the knowledge understood by all human kind.. its same like , we study nursery first and then we go on to complete our higher studies , the process goes on gradually.. whats imperfect about islam ??

        3) all human beings r descendants of adam(alaeh salaam) .. this is the way choosen by ALMIGHTY for human generation to grow , and to let people know they r one nation and all humans r children of adam n eve.. whats imperfect about islam ??
        btw, i asked u how will n e body know about his very first ancestor among those intially borned males as per hinduism ??

        4) we only serve and worship ALMIGHTY , azaan is a call to 5 times obligatory prayer namaaz , azaan contains shahada as well i.e one-ness of ALMIGHTY and prophet muhammad is servent and messenger of ALMIGHTY i.e also the symbol there will be no prophet after muhammad(peace be upon him) ,that is y we say “muhammad is messenger of ALMIGHTY” .. in prayer’s we only remember ALMIGHTY and we bow down to ALMIGHTY alone.. whats imperfect about islam ??

        5) momins r the beleivers of ONE ALMIGHTY and all messengers , all revelations of ALMIGHTY , angels , judgement day , hell and heaven.. any momin who rejects n e of these is not a muslim .. and kafir’s r rejectors of truth who go astray .. just like dharmi and adharmi as per veda’z .. whats imperfect about islam ??

        6)according to islamic teachings , even guilty muslims will be punished in hell , if there bad deeds will be more then there good deeds , kafir’s will b in hell forever .. what about adharmi’s and narak as per veda’z ?? isint it the same process.. whats imperfect about islam ??

      • @Danish Alvi

        dear brother,

        1)If Quran and islam is the truth just because islam agrees with the big bang theory, then dont forget that the same science talks of theory of evolution of apes to humans. Then does not the theory of apes to humans contradict the adam eve story???? Either you agree with science fully, or with religion. Just because islam agrees with the big bang theory, you cannot go around saying that islam and science agree, since there are other theories in science like evolution which strongly contradict islams adam eve. So you do not make sense here. If your dependent on science, then that same science talks of evolution of apes which you disagree with. Now, with some science facts you agree with some you disagree, doesnt make sense brother. We disagree with all science theories because Vedas only agree with scientific FACTS not THEORIES. If Almighy created space, then what was there before space???? As far as I know, even if there is a substance called X before space, then X is also made of matter, then who created that matter???? If you say its uncreated, then this agrees with Vedic explanation which says God , soul, and matter are uncreated and undestroyed.

        2)brother, this is another baseless excuse. Going to school is different. You cannot compare God preparing humans to understand with teachers preparing kids to understand. There is huge difference between Ishwar and a teacher. They are incomparable. As far as humans go, humans of all eras had the same mental understanding of live, goodness, rebirth, etc. Humans back then got hungry, and fetched food, and today humans get hungry and fetch food as well. So all humans were equiped with the ssame understanding. Brother, Vedic hymns were applicable to those humans back then and also to humans today…………..why??? See this means this is God’s creation. If God can send out one revelation throughout the span of the earth that can alone do the work of a chain of 7-8 revelations, then what is the need for segments of revelations????? If Allah has to send multiple revelations, then this is the biggest sign of Allah’s imperfectness.

        3)Our ancestors will change during every creation of the earth. Its not neccessary that the first humans will be the same souls chosen during last inception, so it doesnt matter who your ancestor is. We have a beginningless and endless process.

        4)Why do we have to bring in Mohammad’s name in kalima??? Any muslim when he recites the kalima to remember God Almight have to associate Mohammad’s name along with it, I cannot understand this. Could I believe in Allah alone without believing in Mohammad as the messenger???

        5)There is no such thing as adharmi and dharmi. For Vedas, everyone is human. In Quran if one rejects Quran and islam, its considered a sin, even if he is a good person who always does good deeds. In Vedas, one can reject Vedas and still earn bliss by doing good things…..now you choose which one is more logical??

        6)There is no hell or heaven in Vedas. Narak means a phase of sadness and Swarag means a phase of happiness we get in our lifetime here as a result of our deeds. Whereas Quran orders to burn non muslims in hell just because they could not accept islam even though they may have been angels on earth (meaning people doing good deeds). How would you like it if you have a neighbour, who rejects Quran to be the word of God, but he always looks after you as an elder and always supports you in life. He even supports other people in life. Willl it be fair for a nice person like him to burn in hell just because he didnt believe in Quran…………???

  46. @ arya

    a muslim is the person who submits his will to ALMIGHTY …

    rishi’s/messengers r those on whom revelations from ALMIGHTY were revealed and they were sent to guide the humanity and call people to truth by conveying them msg of ALMIGHTY that rishi’z/messengers were given , just like in the case of veda’z , as u people claim there were 4 rishi’z ..

    ALMIGHTY choose rishi’z/messengers so that they convey the msg of ALMIGHTY to humanity , no where does the quran say’s that people r not given equal opportunities, everybody is given a free to choose what ever they like , quran is the last revelation of ALMIGHTY and it is only truth and will remain safe from n e interpolation as ALMIGHTY mentions that in quran…

    muslims r given the duty to convey the msg i.e guidance for whole humanity , and do not force n e body to except , as people who r truth seekers will except the truth i.e quran , thats the main msg of quran and beleive of muslims 2 ..

    SAY: We believe in God and that which was revealed unto us
    and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ismail, and Isaac, and Jacob,
    and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received,
    and that which the Prophets received from their Lord.
    We make no distinction between any of them and unto Him we surrender
    (Qur’an 2:136)

  47. @ vik

    what quran says , let me tell you in simple and clear words .. in quran its mentioned “there is not a nation to whom ALMIGHTY has’nt sent a messenger” i.e the messengers were sent to guide the people to straight path.. there were many revelations revealed by ALMIGHTY to different messengers , y ?? y not single revelation for entire humanity till the world ends ?? its because everytime people were guided with a messenger from among them and divine revelation and then the people left the right path and interpolated the orignal text revealed by ALMIGHTY as per there likings after the messenger to them died, many of the people were wrong doers , till the time messengers lived i.e in their respective nation they were sent to ,as they were the messengers to the nation they were sent to , they guided people to truth , but after they died , most of the people were wrong doers again ..

    the chain of messengers thus keep on moving and it ended on prophet muhammad to whom the last revelation quran was revealed with the guidance to entire humanity till the end of world.. people r still wrong doer’z in this era 2 , but ALMIGHTY has summarized the knowledge of all the previous revelations in this final revelation quran , which is a complete guidance to humanity .. and it cannot be interpolated as ALMIGHTY has mentioned this in quran..

    according to islamic faith , this world is test for all of us , we r provided with truth and guidance in the form of ALMIGHTY’z final revelation quran and authentic hadiths/sayings of prophet muhammad(peace be upon him) … so we as a muslim has to perform our rituals according to the teachings we r provided by ALMIGHTY and we should convey the message of truth to entire humanity..

    • @Danish

      So messengers were sent for every nation and their people only. Now my question is, what was the need for Allah to send the final revelation and give all the credit to the final messenger in all the prayers we associate to him?????? Why did Allah not guard the earlier revelations? We could have all praised our own messenger that was sent to our tribe only, why praise a messenger sent to a different geographic area?? Since the basic message of Allah was the same, we could have all been in peace with each other rather than debating here. Only if Allah sent one revelation at the beginning to every nation and guarded that, we could have saved so much paper rather than printing out 2 million copies of each book today.

      My next question is suppose the Quran was sent for whole of humanity, but its revealed in arabic and indians, chinese do not know arabic, so how would a person come from Saudi Arabia and even talk to a person in India???????? Should not Allah reveal the book of whole humanity in a language that can be understood by every nation of the world?????????

      But my main question is why did God not guard His first revelation………………..why did he play a movie scene like a last moment suspense?

      Why did God end the chain on prophet Mohammad???? Did God run out of ayats or did God get tired of sending revelations that he decided to send a final one and chose to guard it.

      which non muslim will believe you when you tell them that the revelation they follow has been corrupted, so they should follow yours?????

      how about revelations that came after the Quran like Sri Guru Granth Sahib? If you say they are fake, and not divine, which Sikh person will agree with you?? On contrary they will use the same excuse saying that Quran was corrupted so God sent Sri Guru Granth Sahib, will you agree with them?????

      Dear brother a true divine revelation is that one which is given at the beginning of human civilization. Just like when you buy a cell phone, or a laundry machine, or a refridgerator, you are given an owner’s manual on day one so you can learn how to operate it properly. The manufacturer does not send you the owner’s manual after 6 months of your purchase.

      brother, please think logically. Just leave the world of islam, and think with your free will in a logical sense.

  48. @ agniveer and arya :- isint it the root of sanatan dharam i.e serving and worshipping the one and only true ALMIGHTY ?? let me clear what i am trying to say.. we know there is only one ALMIGHTY without a second as per veda’z .. so whatever good we do , we must keep in mind that it is to please the ALMIGHTY alone which also results in our personal satisfaction on doing a good deed and that satisfaction is provided by ALMIGHTY to us..and on our bad deed we must repent and ask for forgiveness to ALMIGHTY alone and by that means if we r truthfull we’ll ask for forgiveness to even our fellow human being if got harmed by our bad deed .. so altogether , the truth we search for , relates to the concept of beleiving in one ALMIGHTY and praising ALMIGHTY spritually without imagining how ALMIGHTY looks like or whether ALMIGHTY has forms etc , as all this is against veda’z and veda’z supports and declares one-ness of ALMIGHTY … seeking the truth is the path prescribed by ALMIGHTY , but for seeking truth one must clear this root concept i.e the most basic concept about the ALMIGHTY who is the only source that guides us and opens our way for truth when we seek for it..

    • @danish

      namaste brother,

      which idiot told you that hindus believe in more than One God??? You are telling us this concept as if we never knew that there was One God. My dear brother, Ishwar has many names and people just happened to call and pray to Him in different names. But on this site, we follow the Vedic way of worshipping Ishwar. We only worship Him in his true formless omnipresent omnipotent omniscient scense.

      The truth is there is only One Ishwar as per Vedas, and we humans do not need to follow or believe in any messengers or prophets in order to achieve bliss.

      • @vik

        namaste brother,

        then who r bramha, vishnu and mahesh……

        if u told any hindu that they r not god; but as u say Ishwar is the god in which all hindu shuld believe.

        then u know what he think about u.

      • Namaste Ram Iqbal

        Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahesh are all different names of the same ONE ISHWAR that denote different qualities. Brahma means creator, this implies Ishwar is the creator, Vishnu means the preserver, this implies Ishwar is also the preserver, and Mahesh is associated with destruction, which means Ishwar is also the destroyer. These are three symbolic functions of Ishwar.

        But their images are from Puranas, which are blatently against Vedas. So the Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh you see in pictures and series, of three different men standing together, is based on Puranas not Vedas. Only their names are taken from Vedas, but in reality they are simply attributes of the same one Ishwar.

      • @ram iqbal
        abe chirkut, brahma vishnu mahesh are dieties, who are creator, preserver and DESTROYER. If Lord Shiva, opens his third eye he destroys all evil from the world, that means mlechhas like U.
        Whether we worship one or 33 crores is OUR problem, dont bother yurself about it, or prepare to face destrution.
        HAR HAR MAHADEV

    • @danish alvi
      Please see on the front page agniveer.com, you will find

      He is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always. He alone should be worshipped. (Yajurveda 40.8)

      I think Brother, you got confused because there is no prophet mentioned in Mantra along with One Eeshvar, which unfortunately is the sign of Tawheed for you.

      • perfect.. word “rishi” mentioned in veda’z is what i beleive and call as “messenger” of ALMIGHTY..

      • @danish

        but Vedas do not command us to believe in the rishis, like the Quran because in Quran if we believe in Allah alone, but not Mohammad or any of the previous prophets of christ or judaism, then we will be sent to helll regardless how much we believe in Allah alone.

        In Vedas, the first four rishis were neccessary to guide humans, but no where in the Vedas it says we must believe in the rishis as well and associate them with Ishwar. I can not believe in rishis and still attain happiness and bliss.

        So my brother, I hope you understand.

      • vik :- when we say that we beleive in this concept that rishi’s/messengers of ALMIGHTY were the people who provided the humanity with the knowledge about ALMIGHTY and the rules ALMIGHTY set for humanity ,we got to know about that from them only.. so its obvious to beleive in them as rishi’s/messengers of ALMIGHTY ,otherwise its illogical to beleive on the knowledge we got through them … so nobody is associating the messenger’s with ALMIGHTY as partners to ALMIGHTY

      • @danish

        I do not mean in a secular way. I am trying to say that islam makes you blindly believe in Quran and Mohammad as the last menssenger, now if you do not believe in those, you will burn in hell forever regardless if you believed in Allah or not. Whereas, Vedas are strongly against blind belief. Now, if a person doesnt believe in Vedas, he she can still gain happiness and bliss by doing good deeds, and if a person believes in Vedas, that person will enhance his knowledge of wisdom. It is a good think to respect prophets or rishis that have given us divine wisdom but following them blindly and forcing yourself to believe them as the agents of God is wrong.

      • vik :- its more of a common sense that one must beleive rather then forcing ourselve to beleive in rishi’s/messengers of ALMIGHTY .. they were the people through whom we got the knowledge,, and that is again a common sense to beleive that they were the best among following the commandments of ALMIGHTY themself i.e they were the choosen people by ALMIGHTY , thus they provided the humanity with the knowledge and wisdom they were given by ALMIGHTY i.e it was their duty,so that the humanity may get closer to ALMIGHTY by following the rules that r set by ALMIGHTY or otherwise humanity may deviate from the straight path..

      • @danish

        respecting our rishis who spread divine wisdom is a great thing. But its not neccessary for a divine revelation to guide people. There are many athiest or non muslims, they do not believe prophet mohammad to be the last messenger but they live a good moral life. They help and serve humanity, as per islam, they will burn in hell since they refused to accept Quran as the final revelation, now is that fair??

        Many non muslims are good out there, and they never even read the Quran, they basically do good deeds daily in their life, is it fair they go and burn in hell forever????? We all have free will and we should be punished according to our deeds, but suppose I have been a nice person but never considered Quran to be a divine revelation, why should I go to hell???

        These are all arab made rules to grab people into their religion and to scare them to convert them to islam.

        brother, I advise you to return to the Vedic side, on our side, you can still continue to respect and show love for prophet Mohammad, and you can doo good deeds to and learn tons of divine wisdom from Vedas, and no one will force you to read Vedas, and you can still earn bliss and happiness by doing good deeds. But I cannot do the same, if I accept islam. I will be forced to blindly believe in Quran, otherwise I will be condemned to hell. Brother, sometimes we just cannot believe a book to be divine, but that doesnt mean we have to burn in hell for that reason despite we may be the nicest pious humans on earth.

      • @ vik

        mate , its a duty of every muslim to convey the message of ALMIGHTY to people .. and obviously there is no compulsion in islam i.e to make others except it forcefully .. quran is only truth and justified guidelines from ALMIGHTY to whole humanity and thats y ALMIGHTY mentions in quran that it will never change i.e no interpolation can ever happen in quran .. so once the truth is revealed with clear knowledge and still if after that people dont beleive it , then they r indeed in darkness and will remain in darkness forever i.e they r doomed.. and every person has a duty to acquire knowledge and seek the truth as per islamic teachings .. because truth can never me manupulated and one beleive’s it if he/she is willing to beleive only truth in all aspect..

      • @danish

        dear brother, its good to propagate the teachings of great saints and seers. But the problem is when muslims become fanatic. For example, even for the sake of argument, I agree with you the Quran doesnt force anyone to become muslim, now all the unbelievers, despite being nice to you, despite being the best humans on earth in terms of their deeds, can they go to heaven as well??? Was it their fault that they couldnt consider Quran to be the word of Allah???

        And why did Allah decide to guard only Quran, what not the earlier revelations???? Had he guided people from the beginning there would have been no debates today.

        My dear respected brother, these are all biased stories made up by the compilers of the Quran. The compilers of the Quran knew, that earlier revelations were already existing, and also knew that if they compiled a religion of their own, no body will follow it. So to make sure people follow it, they purposely told everyone that all previous books were corrupted so people can accept this one. And if anyone chooses to leave this religion, he should be klled. Cant you understand simple logic here??????

        Why did Allah decide to release the truth 1400 years ago, why not earlier??? If the earlier revelations got corrupted, what was so special about the Quran that Allah chose to guard this book? Why was Moses or Jesus not the last prophet, why did it have to be Mohummad?

        Brother islam leaves alot of question marks on our faces. If you ask any jew, he will tell you that the Torah is not corrupted, now the problem is who will you believe???

        It is better that we analyze each scripture in terms of logic and morality rather than relying on the scripture stories itself.

      • arya :- tauheed is the concept of beleiving in one-ness of ALMIGHTY .. thats it ..

        btw .. i m really glad to know , that there r people like u and agniveer in hindus who only beleive in serving and worshipping ALMIGHTY alone as that is basic/root concept of ALMIGHTY in veda’z.. and that is the basic/root concept of ALMIGHTY in islam too..

        Say, “He is Allah , [who is] One,
        Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
        He neither begets nor is born,
        Nor is there to Him any equivalent.
        (quran 112)

      • @danish alvi
        Brother, thanks for recognizing us as monotheists as most of out Muslim brothers just start abusing us for not believing in their version of Tauheed, which is including Muhammad’s name in the prayers and believing in Muhammad along with Allah in order to go to heaven! I hope, you are not the one of those.

        Thanks

      • @ arya
        mate , actually u r mixing the two altogether different concept of islam , “tauheed” means beleiving in one-ness of ALMIGHTY(i.e most important pillar of islam) and “shahada” i.e faith of a muslim “i bear witness that none is worthy of worship , but ALLAH , and i bear witness that muhammad is the servant and messenger of ALLAH” … it is but a common sense that one who beleives in ALMIGHTY must beleive in ALMIGHTY’s rishi’s/messengers too because all the rishi’s/messengers sent by ALMIGHTY were the choosen people to warn and guide humanity and to give them knowledge about ALMIGHTY and the rules set by ALMIGHTY for whole human kind to live..

      • Brother danish alvi
        As soon as Muslims claim that believing in Muhammad along with Allah is necessary to get heaven, this very attribute “Almighty” for Allah has no meaning.

        I ask you, I believe in God, who is One and only One, Sustains entire universe, Omnipresent, Formless, All-Powerful, Perfect, Omniscient, Unborn, Eternal and supports us always. He alone is worthy to be worshipped. [Yajurved 40:8]. But I dont want to remember Muhammad when I remember my beloved Eeshvar, i.e. in prayers, what should I do? Can I be Muslim if I believe in One Eeshvar only?

        How do you know that some person is a messenger or not? How do you know that person claiming himself a prophet is not cheating?

        Why does Allah choose some people for prophet hood, some as layman and some for hellfire? Why does Allah not give equal opportunities to all?

      • @ Arya:

        Quran [41:51] “When We grant the human being a favor, he ignores it and turns away but when he is afflicted by hardship, he starts lengthy prayers.”

        Quran [41:52] “Say, “Think, if the (Quran) is from God and you have rejected it, then who has gone farther astray than the one who has wandered far from the truth?”

        Quran [41:53] “We shall (continue to) show them Our evidence in the world and within their souls until it becomes clear that the Quran is the truth. Is it not sufficient for you that your Lord witness all things?”

        Quran [41:54] “Now surely they are in doubt as to the meeting of their Lord; now surely He encompasses all things.”

  49. dr. zakhir naik should be renamed as dr. chapter verse . he thinks he is doing a great job by chatting on endlessly like a parrot chapters and verses . poor chap . he should have tried to get the essence of hinduism like meditation of shiva and stop his chattering mind , and experience the divine within . only hinduism can help the atman connect with the superatman . we pity him poor guy , his only aim in life is to make hindus accept that they are praying to wrong gods , and similarly all other religions . only one path is the right path that is the path of allah . wow . such hate and spite .
    then dr. chapter verse goes on and tells everybody of brotherhood , what a shame .

  50. Dear Agniveer,

    I strongly believe you need to do some more research on Islam. I am not a scholar of Hinduism so i don’t want to comment on ur understanding of it, but as far as ur understanding of Islam is concerned, u need a rigorous course to do. I also believe that as a scholar you should know the facts of the other part as well to give a neutral comment upon and let the readers decide what is right by themselves. I don’t propagate anything with this but a clear understanding of Islam as a religion. With my comments below, I am not trying to hurt the religious sentiments of any community but to tell the truth of the religion far unknown to be commented upon. This post is not to defend someone or talk against anyone.

    My comments on Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised in Atharvaveda
    Comments on your reply: If u believe that Mohammad (peace be upon him) is the man who introduced Islam to the world then please refer to the Quran. It says that Islam was sent to earth with the advent to Adam (Alehis Salam) & Bibi Hawa or Adam and Eve as is popularly known. Since then, time by time there has been enormous prophets sent on earth, of which last prophet hood and the highest in authority and respect was given to Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). He [Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him)] was given the divine book named the Quran and before him there has been many prophets as I have mentioned earlier who were also granted the divine book of guidance named as Bibal, Torah & Engil for guidance in their times.

    Please justify your quotation on: “1. The Arabic term b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm which is uttered before every verse of Quran is literal translation of “Dayanand ki Jai”.”
    I am not far surprised by your ignorance about Islam then! For the information of the readers the Arabic term which is quoted here means “With the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful”.

    For your next comment on Prince of Peace
    I would like to narrate an incident from the life of the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). The Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) has once been to a small town name Taif (somewhere near now Syria) where people mistreated him. The people where pelting stones because he preached the word of God. The stones of that location where round in shape and so we understand that it will not make cuts in the skin. But he was pelted with so many stones that he was drenched with blood. He was very careful to not let a drop of his blood to fall on the land as Allah had given a word, on the land where a single drop of the blood of a prophet would fall, there will be not land or people anymore. Fearing that the people who not know what they are doing may face the punishment, he went out of the city and cried before Allah to forgive the people as they don’t know what they are doing.

    My brother, I would love to explain you, why and how the battles were fought by a man who cared so much for people who pelted stones on him!

    Your comment on “The 10 chaplets or necklaces” where you mentioned that all the prophets of Islam where born in deserts are also not true. I should enlighten you with the fact that Hazrat Adam (peace be upon him) was sent on earth in the present Sri Lanka and his & his children’s tombs and foot prints there.

    My comments on “Muhammad and his followers till today are known to be the biggest tribe of cow-killers. They take pride in killing cows in Id”.
    Its the same logical explanation you gave in your other comments apply here to yourself my brother – Poison = Death = Rest = Peace = Islam
    For your knowledge and the readers let me put some light on the actual incident of your so called cow killing.
    Hazart Ibrahim (peace be upon him) [or Abraham in christian texts] got a baby at a very old age named Ismail (peace be upon him). One day god thought of testing Hazart Ibrahim (peace be upon him). One night Hazart Ibrahim (peace be upon him) saw in his dream that god want him to sacrifice the most beloved thing as a sacrifice to him. He got up the next day and gave away all the money he had. ext day again ge got the same dream and so he gave away all the land and property he had. He again got the same dream and so was confused as to what else do i have that Allah wants him to give?. and so he thought of Ismail (peace be upon him). The next day he got he bathed him with is own hands, dressed him loved him like he would not see his only son again and told him the purpose of their process. Hazrat Ismail (peace be upon him) got ready and felt he was blessed to be considered as a gift to Allah. Then the father and the son went to a hill top for the final giving and just when Hazart Ibrahim (peace be upon him) was trying to run the knife on the neck of hazrat Ismail (peace be upon him), Allah turned the sacrifice into a “DUMBA” (is a 4 legged animal like a sheep)and the child was safe. Thus the sacrifice of the most beloved is given. The animal is brought and brought up like our own child and then it is given to sacrifice so that the pain of it being the beloved is felt.

    My comments on “3. In reality, this Balttle of Mecca was as small tribal battle where 900-1000 soldiers and 300 soldiers of Islam have supposed to have fought for a few hours, as per Islamic experts. And not more than 10 leaders are known to have participated from Meccan side”.
    Please give reference of the Islamic experts coz as per my knowledge this does not stand as correct figures.

    My comments on: “IV. Muhummad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the SamvedaAnalysis:
    This is laughing Jehad at its best. The aim to kill infidels by making them laugh like anything”.
    Jehad is again misinterpreted and misunderstood by people who don’t fell the need to tag an action by a word without a proper understanding of it. Jehad just means victory of the good over the bad. This is what we all know and teach in all the books. The fall of Ravan and the victory of Ram. The Victory of Pandavas and the fall of Kauravas?!! doesn’t it sounds the same? In spite of thinking like a oneside folded horse which would only see what is shown to mean it terrorism or killing, please learn the context it is said in. Jehad was mentioned in the context of self control, for the tongue over lies, gossip and false hood; for the heart over lust, dishonesty, jealousy and worldly desires etc. In short ,from every part of you to fight against the temptations of doing the not right.

    My comments on: “3. If indeed Vedas could predict Muhammad and his life, why is IRF and Muslim world shy about embracing Vedas as Books of God? Why he has to write in FAQ on Hinduism that Vedas may or MAY NOT be book of God?”
    Dear Brother, You just not wrote an essay explaining and demonstrating how the two of them are so different. I believe that Quran is the only book reviled unto Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) and this book is complete. Not a single zabar or zer (matras in arabic) can or has been changed. Every one should understand what is written in the Quran before commenting on it. I suggest you read an arabic version of the same coz it will give you the exact understanding then the translations.

    My Comment on: “4. And if Vedas can predict Muhammad, and they talk of concepts which clearly contradict Quran, which one should be believed?”
    The basic of both the books are the same as far as I understand them. Honesty, loyalty, One God, Love, Faith etc…

    My comment on: ” After all Quran was written 20 years after Muhammad’s death, there was no oral tradition of memorizing and protecting Quran in Muhammad’s times and his favorite followers were fighting of each others’ lives after Muhammad died! So how can we trust Quran to be authentic?”
    Quran was written in the lifetime of the Prophet Mohammad and not after his life. The revelations that Jibrail (Alehes salam) brought were instantly oral passed on and written. If you want to check the authenticity of the Quran, I shall advice you to match the copy of the first Quran written to any copy available to you. They will be the same as it was 1500 yrs ago.

    Allah has granted mankind the greatest gift of wisdom. To comprehend and understand the signs given to us. Those who accept the signs and abide to it become Muslims and those who don’t accept the signs remain as they are. Its just a matter of realization.

    I am just putting light on facts that are true and are not informed appropriately to the readers about Islam. I would love to add more to my readers and answer queries about Islam. I understand that the respect and tolerance we should have for each other is difficult to find in the writer’s post. But I will try to maintain the decency of all the faiths.

    Thank you.
    Bismi

    • ◖@bismi: Islam was sent to earth with the advent to Adam (Alehis Salam) & Bibi Hawa or Adam and Eve as is popularly known.◗

      ✤ Are u aware that humans even lived millions of years before Adam was born (some 4000 BC)?..Allah was born along with Adam ..much after human beings..is that what you are trying to say?
      ✤ So even if we accept the joke that Adam professed Islam ….it still does not put Islam as the first religion..Allah would sure be cursing the archaeologists to hell :))
      ✤By the way ..Islam was founded by Muhammad who himself was born a pagan and remained so for 40 YEARS but after having learnt about christian and jewish theology from the inhabitants of mecca crafted his own religion out of these.
      ✤Judaism and christianity come from the descendants of Isaac whereas Islam comes from the descendants of Ishmael, the illegit child of Sarah’s maid..Now that’s what we call history

      ◖@bismi: last prophet hood and the highest in authority and respect was given to Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him)◗

      given by whom ? …..The Prophet himself!!!

      when would islamic propagandists come out of their circulatory logic babble:

      why is Muahmmad the greatest? …because the Quran says so!
      and why the heck should i believe the Quran? ….because Muhammad says so!

      the age of commonsense is dead 🙁

      ◖@bismi:I would like to narrate an incident from the life of the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) ◗

      ✤The incident you narrate must come from a shaih hadit or it would be considered a blatant lie. so please provide us with a link to this so called great incident of prophet Muhammad.
      ✤Meanwhile let me share with you the Shaih(authentic) tales of Muhammad’s compassion(with references)

      ➔The prophet not only attacked a people unaware but also took their widows captive.Despite the unfortunate destiny, some of these brave women refused to convert to islam and become wives of the slayer of their husbands.

      Sahih Muslim
      Book 019, Number 4292:
      Ibn ‘Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi’ inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before m”. ing them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi’ said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.
      source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4292

      ➔He had no compunction in killing poor women and children when he would maraud a non believing people

      The apostle had chosen one of their women for himself, Rayhana bint Amr . . . one of the women of . . . Qurayza, and she remained with him until she died, in his power. The apostle had proposed to marry and put a veil on her, but she said: “Nay, leave me in your power, for that will be easier for me and for you.” So he left her. She had shown repugnance towards Islam when she was captured and clung to Judaism. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 466)

      Sahih Muslim
      Book 019, Number 4323:
      Sa’b b. Jaththama has narrated that the Prophet (may peace be upon him) asked: What about the children of polytheists killed by the cavalry during the night raid? He said: They are from them.
      source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4323

      ➔He killed all the captive males who had reached puberty and the rest of them he used as slaves

      Sahih Muslim
      Book 38, Number 4390:
      Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
      I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.
      source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/abudawud/038.sat.html#038.4390

      ◖@bismi: The animal is brought and brought up like our own child and then it is given to sacrifice so that the pain of it being the beloved is felt.◗

      ✤why don’t you slaughter your own child and set the cow free?who knows Allah may convert him also into a lamb?
      ✤Jokes apart ….Islam, as you thankfully highlight, is a fatalistic doctrine: IF A MUSLIM CAN KILL EVEN A LOVED ONE IN THE NAME OF ALLAH …WHY WOULD HE HESITATE IN KILLING A KAFIR IN THE NAME OF ALLAH?

      ◖@bismi: Jehad is again misinterpreted and misunderstood by people who don’t fell the need to tag an action by a word without a proper understanding of it.◗

      There’s no misunderstanding about Jihad.here’s what Jihad means according to Islamic scriptures
      ➊ Jihad is unequivocally different from following islam peacefully through fasting and prayers.here’s from the horses mouth:

      Muwatta
      Book 21, Number 21.1.1:
      Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu’z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said “Someone who does jihad in the way of Allah is like someone who fasts and prays constantly and who does not slacken from his prayer and fasting until he returns.”
      source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muwatta/021.mmt.html#021.21.1.1

      ➋If a dawagandist tells you that Jihad is all about prayers and belief in Allah and cleansing one’s soul..show him this hadit and ask him ..why do you need a horse to cleanse your soul??

      Muwatta
      Book 21, Number 21.1.4:
      Yahya related to me from Abdullah ibn Abd ar-Rahman ibn Mamar al-Ansari that Ata ibn Yasar said that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “Shall I tell you who has the best degree among people? A man who takes the rein of his horse to do jihad in the way of Allah.
      source: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muwatta/021.mmt.html#021.21.1.4

      ➌ If jihad is a peaceful thing ..how are you supposed to get hurt in and killed in Jihaad!!!!!!!!!

      Sahih Muslim
      Book 020, Number 4646:
      It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Qatada that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) stood up among them (his Companions) to deliver his sermon in which he told them that Jihad in the way of Allah and belief in Allah (with all His Attributes) are the most meritorious of acts. A man stood up and said: Messenger of Allah, do you think that if I am killed in the way of Allah, my sins will be blotted out from me? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Yes, in case you are killed in the way of Allah and you were patient and sincere and you always fought facing the enemy, never turming your back upon him. Then he added: What have you said (now)? (Wishing to have further assurance from him for his satisfaction), he asked (again): Do you think if I am killed in the way of Allah, all my sins will be obliterated from me? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Yes, it you were patient and sincere and always fought facing the enemy and never turning your back upon him, (all your lapses would be forgiven) except debt. Gabriel has told me this.
      source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/020.smt.html#020.4646

      ➍ AND MY DEAR EDUCATED MUSLIM FRIENDS , IF YOU BELIEVE IN PEACE AND HARMONY….CHOOSE SOME OTHER GOD TODAY ..because the God of Islam prefers fighting over peace

      Quran
      004.095
      YUSUFALI: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,
      source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html#004.095
      ( the arabic word used in the above verse is ‘mujahideen’ ..the one who does jihad)

      ◖@bismi:I believe that Quran is the only book reviled unto Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) and this book is complete. Not a single zabar or zer (matras in arabic) can or has been changed.◗

      ✤again circulatory babble!!! what happened to logic!? … reason!?….what proof do you have of it’s completeness or correction apart from the book itself?

      most muslims are trapped in this logical fallacy all their lives!!!!!!!

      question to muslim: How do you know Allah is the True God?
      answer by muslim: The Quran says so!
      counter question to muslim: and why the heck we should believe the Quran?
      answer by muslim: Because Allah says so!.
      ..jazak allah khair..masha allah..wah wah ..bummer 🙁

      ✤We don’t have a single complete version of the quran that dates back to the period anywhere close to Muhammad…The earliest manuscript is dated 100 years after the death of Muhammad.
      ✤ Google Sana Mosque quran manuscripts and you’d be surprised to know that the quran in that manuscript is a LOT different from the one in vogue
      ✤Even at the time of Uthman’s collection of the Quran..Ubbay did not agree to 70 verses contributed by Zaid
      ✤The Sahih Hadits have examples of verses that were dropped,modified or abrogated in the quran

      ◖@bismi:❝But I will try to maintain the decency of all the faiths.❞◗

      Please do not hold yourself back.

      if you find anything as illogical,violent, irrational in any other faith ..it is your moral duty to share with humanity

      Regards
      May Truth kiss your Soul

      • I am stunned to the blindness one can have on ones eyes…

        I have answers to all your questions but as I c it from your understanding that u are not worth the explanation.

        Another thing…if u really did stand for your religion and its teachings..then I think writing d way you do xplains the fanaticism and it belongs to whom..

        My religion belongs to peace and brotherhood from where everyone is equal and stand shoulder to shoulder in front of ALLAH and so I teach peace and not increase the fanaticism that you are thankfully doing…

        I think u created ur post just to bring more divide and hatred amongst ppl…is this wat u r thought?!!

        Please check the authenticity of the hadits u pick up…none of them are correct or complete..u quotations are all distorted..I will request people to check the hadits not on this site but with the reference numbers in actual books mentioned.

        My only last message to you again…open your eyes..give respect and get respect…spread love and peace…not hatred and intolerance…

      • @ bismi
        Brother I am from a country where 70% of the population are muslims. The government is muslim. They treat non muslims like shit. Your statement ” My religion belongs to peace and brotherhood from where everyone is equal” is misleading. Correct your brothers behavior before preaching about peace to us!!!

      • ◖@bismi:I am stunned to the blindness one can have on ones eyes…◗

        It’s rather me, who is stunned to see the audacity of a DISHONEST poster in downplaying AUTHENTIC accounts of the history and tradition of islam.

        ◖@bismi:I have answers to all your questions but as I c it from your understanding that u are not worth the explanation.◗

        This response speaks VOLUMES about your lack of knowledge of your own religion.

        The person who does not even know that ‘Islam’ comes from ‘aslama’ (surrender, submit) and not ‘peace’ can only but AVOID the truth

        ◖@bismi:Another thing…if u really did stand for your religion and its teachings..then I think writing d way you do xplains the fanaticism and it belongs to whom..◗

        I don’t stand for ANY religion at all..most religions invariably divide humanity into us versus them..as a human i DETEST that.

        You have the recorded history of a religion that killed millions of non-muslims in my own country…converted so many to Islam by force and coercion..and today their progeny has become as misguided and violent as ones who persecuted their own ancestors.

        Hating such a hateful , violent religion is more than a pastime, it’s the MORAL DUTY of every human being who knows about such violent,irrational religions to EXPOSE them at every podium.

        ◖@bismi:My religion belongs to peace and brotherhood from where everyone is equal and stand shoulder to shoulder in front of ALLAH and so I teach peace and not increase the fanaticism that you are thankfully doing…◗

        Your religion, like the mafia, talks about brotherhood and peace ONLY FOR THE CULT MEMBERS..it hates the rest of Humanity.

        as we speak 73 shias have had their SHOULDERS blown off by the other members of your BROTHERHOOD…shoulder to shoulder?

        look at your bigotry and confused idea of brotherhood…for you ALL MUSLIMS FORM A BROTHERHOOD ..for me ALL HUMANITY FORMS A BROTHERHOOD..who’s the fanatic?

        ◖@bismi:I think u created ur post just to bring more divide and hatred amongst ppl…is this wat u r thought?!!◗

        No..i responded to your post that was full of islamic TAQQIYYA(LIES) ..a tactics used by dawagandists to portray your religion as the most peaceful religion while the other hardliners keep blowing off places around the world and the soft-liners keep breaking a nation into pieces to establish the law of sharia.

        INDIA is the BIGGEST victim of Islam from history to the present day…that is the sorry fact of Islam.

        Go teach peaceful-coexistence to the Saudi Masters ..let them have temples built there to show how peaceful and tolerant your religion actually is

        Don’t teach us Indians about human values ..we don’t want to learn peace and non-violence from a religion that talks about attacking and killing every non-muslim ,that makes looting and plunder legit …and that makes taking women as concubines and children as slaves valid.

        I AM FED UP OF THIS KIND OF PEACE WHERE THE GOD TAKES 1/5TH OF THE WAR BOOTY

        ◖@bismi:Please check the authenticity of the hadits u pick up…none of them are correct or complete..u quotations are all distorted..I will request people to check the hadits not on this site but with the reference numbers in actual books mentioned.◗

        Why don’t you share with us what you consider as ‘CORRECT’ ….Man! you are a typical dawagandist, who knows the truth about the violence and intolerance in his religion but has to keep selling the soap to the community.

        People..I have just shared the least offensive of accounts ..if you read the other accounts …i wont even have to request you to take the right decision.

        ◖@bismi:My only last message to you again…open your eyes..give respect and get respect…spread love and peace…not hatred and intolerance…◗

        I respect you as a fellow human being …and it wont ever go away ….

        BUT I WILL ALWAYS OPPOSE UNTRUTHFUL,VIOLENT religions that harm humanity

        IF OPPOSING FANATIC CULTS IS FANATICISM ..i don’t mind being called a fanatic

        Regards

  51. Atharvaveda 20/21/2:
    DURO ASHVASYADUR INDRA GORASI DURO YAVASYA VASUN INSPATIHI.
    SHIKSHANARAHA PRADIVO AKAAMKARSHANNAHA SAKHA SAKHIBHYASTAMIDAM GRINNEEMASI.

    (INDRA) Oh! glorious king! You are (DURAHA) the bestower of (ASHVASYA) horses (DURAHA) bestower of (GOHO) land (DURAHA) the bestower of(YAVASYA) food grains. You are the (INAHA) lord of (VASUNAHA) wealth and (PATIHI) protector. You are (SHIKSHANARAHA) giver of education and (PRADIVAHA) good conduct. You are (AKAAMKARSHANNAHA) the king who weakens the lazy people and (SAKHIBHYAHA) for the friends, (SAKHAH ASI) you are friend. Therefore we (GIRNNEEMASI) utter (IDAM) these i.e., the said words (TAM) to you.

    Meaning: Oh! glorious king! You are the bestower of horses, bestower of land, the bestower of food grains. You are the lord of wealth and protector. You are giver of education and good conduct. You are the king who weakens the lazy people and for the friends, you are friend. Therefore we utter these i.e., the said words to you.

    Idea: Here the meaning of king is who wields all kinds of glory. In the mantra God has told the king that it is your duty towards public to provide them with horses, land, food- grains, wealth, protection, education and good conduct. You have to look after the public properly. Oh King! It is your duty to weaken the lazy people i.e., to punish the lazy people who do not hard work and make the country weak. Oh king! You have to stop all kinds of beggary etc., and you are to secure the wealth and respect of honest, hard working persons. You have to give punishment to the ignorant and liars etc., and have to respect the learned acharyas of Vedas and yoga philosophy and you have to look after them properly.

    • Atharvaveda mantra 20/2/3
      SHACHEEVA INDRA PURUKRID DYUMATTAM TWEDIDAMBHISHCHEKITE VASU.
      ATAH SAMGRIBHYAABHIBHOOT AA BHAR MAA TWAYATO JARITUHU KAMAMRINAYEEHI.
      (shacheeva) O! Supreme minded (purkrit) hard worker of several deeds and (DUYUMAT+ TAM) enlightened (INDRA) king (TWA IT) yours only (IDAM) this (VASU) wealth (ABHITEHA) from all sides (CHEKITEHA) is known. (ATEHA) therefore, (AA BHAR) fulfill all goods for public (SANGRIMAYA) by gathering (MAA UNAYEEHI) do not minimize (kamam) hope of those who (TWAYATAHA) desire and love you and who (JARITUHU) praise you.

      Meaning: O! Supreme minded hard worker of several deeds and enlightened king yours only this wealth from all sides is known therefore, fulfill all goods for public by gathering do not minimize hope of those who desire and love you and who praise you.

      Idea: In the above mantra God has briefed the good qualities of a king. King must be supreme minded and learned of Vedas. In the Vedas it is clearly mentioned that the king must be having the knowledge of four Vedas, because in Vedas all the pious deeds, duties and politics for a king have been mentioned which the great king obeys. Shri ram, Dashratha, Harishchandra, Shri Krishna and several ancient kings were the philosopher of Vedas, that is why they looked after the public well. He must be a lazy but hard worker. He must be enlightened i.e., he must have been enlightened by a learned acharya and therefore he must also be God fearing king. His treasury must always be full of money and he must be having sufficient grains and other all goods for the use of public. In his kingdom these must have been no financial or other problems. The said requirement is of public and the king must not demoralize the public. Such king is loved by all. All praise him. On the other hand at present due to lack of knowledge of Vedas mostly the leaders have failed to look after the public well. That are mostly failed to pleased and fulfill the desire of public. So even to be a good leader, one must study Vedas.

      Similarly Mantra 4, 5, 6 and 7 states about King's duties. That a great king who gives justice to public and by his good administration when the culprits, i.e., thieves, dacoits, culprits who commit treason etc. are punished and destroyed then the public the public attains peace, assets, wealth etc., and gets progress in life.

      So, in the above mantras no name of any prophet etc., has been mentioned. One thing is clear in the Vedas that Vedas never state about any proper name. Secondly, Vedas do not tell about Avtarvaad. In the Vedas, the principles and duties etc., have been mentioned like constitution of the World, to be obeyed.

      • In Sam Veda Mantra 122, as stated by you, states when holy Yajyen are performed then glory (including assets, wealth, treasure etc.) of the king and the public is increased. In the Mantra, it is stated " AHAM"= I, "VASVAHA" = wealth in the form of cows, horses, assets etc.. "ISHEY" = Master i.e., by performing Yajyen and hardworking. Oh! God may I be the master of wealth in the form of cows, horses, assets etc.

        Hence, in the said Sam Veda Mantra, "AHAM" means "I".

        In RIG VEDA MANTRA 2/1/11 "TVAMAGNE ADITIRDEV DASHUSHE TVAM HOTRA BHARATI VARDHASE,
        TVAMIDA SHATHIMASI DAKSHASE TVAM VRITRAHA VASUPATE SARASWATI."

        Oh! DEV =ONE WHO GIVES, AGNE = KNOWLEDGE OF VEDAS, TVAM = YOU, DASHUSHE = FOR THOSE DISCIPLES WHO ARE DONORS, ADITIHI = LIKE HEAVENLY BODIES EMITTING LIGHT, YOU ENLIGHTEN THE DISCIPLES WITH SUPREME QUALITIES OF WISDOM. TVAM = You, HOTRA BHARATI=you are acceptable like a baby who has attained full knowledge. GIRA = by the sweet preach of Vedas voice, VARDHSAE = we get progress. DAKSHASE = to give the knowledge, TVAM = you are IDA = i.e., you are praiseworthy like a lady teacher, who has attained hundred years of age. OH! VASUPATE = master of wealth, TVAM = you, VRITRAHA= like a sun who destroy the black clouds to cause rain and you are like SARASWATI = a divine voice full of knowledge, science, etc.

        The idea of the mantra is that we must go to a learned acharya to learn the deepest knowledge of Vedas to be a learned person so as to get long happy life.

        In the mantra, the meaning of the word "IDA" he who is desirous to be praised. In first mantra of RIG VEDA, it is stated " AGNIM IDEY" here the meaning of " IDEY" is praise of God and "IDA" means desire i.e. I have a desire to praise, pray and worship God. So IDA means praise or desire.

      • Vedic Sanskrit is divine voice which emanates direct from God at the beginning of the earth.

        In the divine Sanskrit, there are sixty-three alphabets in which there are four Yam i.e., Hrisva, Deergha, Anunasik and a symbolic alphabet which is pronounced "Da". So it the above mantra it has been stated" SHATHIMA IDA ASI ". So it is IDA not ILA please. Moreover, in four Vedas no personal name has been mentioned. Personal (proper) names of God have only been mentioned. So he who does not know divine Sanskrit, he does know the real meaning of Ved mantras, please. The same problem in with Bhagwad Geeta, Valmiki Ramayana, Mahabharata, ancient holy books.

        What is going on, that nowadays mostly the saints do not study Vedic Grammar and Vedas. They usually remember, Bhagwad Geeta etc., with the comments of previous saints without knowing that whether the comments and meanings of words of Bhagwad Geeta are according to Vedas or not. When the saints start speaking Bhagwad Geeta's shlok in Sanskrit or shloks of Purann in Sanskrit, people start thinking that saint is learned of Sanskrit and Vedas. But mostly it is not true and therefore mostly illusions is being spread in the public because public is already ignorant of Vedas and Sanskrit.

      • If there is no provision for Avtar in Vedas then what is the aim of mentioning Muhammad's (pbuh) name in Athar Veda & Sama Veda.
        Swami Ramswarup: I have been preaching four vedas, shashtras, geeta, gurugranth sahib and quran sharif also with other religious holy granth since 1971. So please quote the references of atharveda and saamveda and oblige me.

        "AHMAD acquired religious Law (Quran) from his Lord. This religious Law is full of wisdom. I receive light from him just as from the Sun.."[Sama Veda II:6,8]
        Swami Ramswarup: Saamveda has 1875 mantras that is from 1 to 1875. So please quote number of the mantra like 69, 80, 100, 210 etc., etc.

        He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies. He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven. [Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13]
        Swami Ramswarup: In atharvveda mantra 2o/127/1 narashanshah means He who is praised by human beings and naturally He is Almighty God. Knowledge of vedas originated at the time of creation that is more than one arab ninety six crore years back. At that time there were no any sect originated. Our ancient rishis studied only vedas, which are still applicable for whole of the world. About five thousand years back rishi patanjali philosopher of yoga and vedas has told in his yoga shashtra samadhi paad sutra 1/24 "purush vishesh ishwarah" that is supreme amongst human beings is only almighty God. In bhagwat geeta shalok 10/27 Yogeshwar Krishna says “Amongst human beings I am king.” Here Shri Krishna is trying to give knowledge that almighty God is only supreme and after God next are rishis, munis, prophets, faquirs who are considered supreme amongst human beings because they preach the human beings. That is why there is a pious ayat of holy quran sharif in the beginning that every preach is only for khuda and in pious hadis sharif it is rightly mentioned that amongst all — "la ila-ha il lal laha." and the best prayer al-hamdu lillaha. So here we can accept the meaning of narashashah in respect of the person who is praised by all human beings due to his preach and pious deeds etc. Kauram means the king of whole earth or prophet, rishi, muni.

      • In one of your given answer at your site you said that the knowledge of Vedas is from God. The knowledge from God always revealed on His assigned Messengers or prophets, who was the prophet to whom these Vedas were revealed? and what is the authenticity that Vedas are save from human manipulation?
        Swami Ramswarup: In 31 chapter of yajurveda mantra 7 it is said — tasmat yajat sarvahuth richah samani jajire, chhandansi jajire tasmat yajuhu tasmat ajayat in this mantra richah means rigveda, samani= saamveda, chhandansi=atharvaveda, yajuhu=yajurveda, ajayat is a verb which means emanates. Whole meaning is these four vedas emanates from almighty god who is adorable by all human beings. This chapter says about creation also and being lengthy I am unable to describe here. In manu smariti shalok 1/23 Manu says that vaayu, agni, aditya and angira rishi at the time of first unsexual creation gained the knowledge of four vedas in their heart. Vedas knowledge originated in their heart

      • dear Rashmi,
        would you please give me the whole slokas of atharvaveda book 20 hymne 127 verses 1-13
        in latin-sanskrit. by googling, i dont find it yet, the only i’ve got is english translation by indologist.

        thanks a lot

  52. Muslims says prophets in vedas all renowned scientist, be it indian or western have admired vedas. Lets see prophet in vedas by swami ramswarup ji, vedmandir, yol:-
    Atharvaveda mantra 20/21/1:
    NYU SHU VACHAM PRA MAHR BHARAMAHE GIR INDRAYE SADNE VIVASVATAH.
    NU CHIDHIRATNAM SASATAMIVAVIDANN DUSHTUTIRDRAVINNODESHU SHASYATE.
    (MAHE) adorable (INDRAYE) for the glorious, learned dignitary (SU) beautiful (VACHAM) divine Vedas' voice (GIRAH) praise i.e., we praise (VIVASVATAHA) wealthy, learned dignitary (SADNE) at the residence (NE U) definitely (PRA) with full devotion (BHARAMAHE) hold (HE) because (SASTAAM) of the sleeping man (Iv) sure (RATNAM) precious stones i.e., pleasure giving wealth. (NU) immediately (CHITTA) definitely (AVIDAT) the man has taken i.e., thief etc., has stolen (DRAVIDNODESHU) in the person who gives money (DUSTUTIHI) corrupt praise (NA SHASYATE) is not good.

    Meaning: We hold the praise for the adorable and glorious learned dignitary by beautiful, divine Vedas' voice, at the residence of wealthy learned dignitary. Because the thief has stolen the precious stones, i.e., pleasure giving wealth of the sleeping man, i.e., lazy man. Because the bad thinking in the person who gives money is not good, i.e., in the society of the wealthy person who donate the money for Yajyen, etc. They never use wrong words for the learned acharya etc., but they only praise them.

    Idea: A lazy person can never work hard to earn money and to gain spiritual education. He will not study Vedas, will not do holy Yajyen, name-jaap etc., and on the other hand he will not do hard work to earn sufficient money to look after the family well. He can't take care of his home properly and even his house-hold goods get stolen by the thieves due to his laziness.

    We are blessed by God with human body to study Vedas, to do Yajyen and practice of yoga philosophy and to realize God. Simultaneously, we have to get progress in education, science and pious worldly matters while discharging moral duties towards family, society and nation. A hard working man does the same honestly whereas the said education is also stolen from a lazy man.

  53. @Arya,
    and the religion i follow is humanity…. I happen to donate blood couple of years back to a person brahmana by caste and after i donated blood i was feeling guilty that me being a non-vegeterian had donated blood to a strict vegeterian , the person after he got well told me that I actually have done the utmost religious duty… that is saving life… so I am happy ignorant person and i want to continue doing so. My strong belief is do good as much as you can , rest leave it to God.

    • This is the foundation of Vedic dharma – humanity – without attaching preconditions created by humans.
      You talked about illiterate people from all religion and societies giving you respect. This is because they are actually belonging to no religion. They are Hindu, Muslim, Christan, Tamil, Telugu etc merely because they were born in such families. Problem comes when we read texts that promote intolerance and take them seriously. For example a Muslim who does not know Quran or knows only on surface will be a nice person because he is essentially a human. But moment he starts believing in Quran too seriously and considers that only followers of Muhammad are actually good people and rest are Kafirs, problem begins. Similarily when someone takes Hinduism as an ego issue without having valid reasons to believe so, this will breed fanaticism. That is why Agniveer has greatest compassion for all human beings but is sharply critical of those books that breed intolerance. Vedas are the only texts which rise above cult-based fights and associate spiritualism with service of humanity scientifically.

      Mere mantra recitation is meangingless exercise. The way you are serving humanity is best way to explore Vedas. There is a mantra in Yajurveda that states that simply follow the truth and rest shall come automatically. All you need to follow truth is to enhance knowledge, introspect and act accordingly. This is an iterative process that lead to knowledge of Vedas and then to salvation. Never should one think that blind belief in any text would ever help.

      As per vedas, the only Dharma is Manav Dharma. Am glad that you are following it to core and eager to become a more dedicated follower of this Manav Dharma progressively.

      • Thank you agniveer, I agree with you on problems arise when we text too seriously…as per your analysis I feel its more on text being taken in wrong senses. also as per your analysis itself if muslims have to question quran and mohammed they first need to dis-belive only then they can question right? and as per quran the moment they disbelive in either quran or mohammed they will loose heaven…. so its a vicious cycle…. I was actually discussing one of your articles with a muslim friend of mine his first question was " why should i dis-belive mohammed and belive agniveer"? though we can have huge arguements around it but what i felt is the fear of hell makes a learned muslim friend of mine to close eyes on everything else…. thats where i felt co-existance would be much better, and we have co-existed for centuries and I think we can continue to do so…. I would request you to bring out articles on actual meaning of Jihad and other muslim actitivies so that they learn the actual meanings of it and refrain themselves from mindless in human activities..

      • @Arya

        Dear brother Arya, I would like to share a experience i had last week, Last week i had been to one of my friend's mango grooves and we were collecting mangos from the trees, i happend to have a conversation with the care taker of those mango trees..his name is muniswamy and i was generally checking his family income and family details.. he told me he has one daughter who is studing in a school , he earns around 1000 rs a year and share of the mangoes he grows.. then he went on and told me he had difficult times for a daily bread and recently he got converted to a different religion where he is given a monthly income and his daughter education is for free for life. now thats something which struck me , people are lured into changing religions using money , then my second thought was anyways nobody helps/bothers in his older religion atleast now he has a acceptable good life…..So bother arya the only question/challenge to you is can you come up something like this (monthly income/free eduction/healthcare/social activities) rather than challenging ignorant people like me 🙂 if you cannot i would recommend you try debating hungry people in villages you will get your best answers there 🙂

      • Unfortunately, Quran does not seem to be case of wrong interpretation. I started my journey that way but was compelled to take other way. Quran has been case of one person claiming that all He says is true and if He is challenged, all shall go to Hell. Concept of Jehad is clear in Quran. If anyone is against Muhammad, Quran and Allah, he or she is kafir. So strive to not be a Kafir and make Kafirs Muslims is Jehad. And all forms of tactics are legitimized to do so. There are indeed verses of lve and compassion in Islam, but only for Muslims.

        We are lucky that Quran is in Arabic and most Muslims do not know it properly. And many others refuse to believe it even when they will not accept publicly due to fear of repurcssions. That is why Muslims are also good people – only victim of brainwashing.

        Please read my articles on Islam and you would realize. Ask any Maulvi of the world that what would happen if I am a good person but do not worship Allah, or consider Muhammad to be final Prophet or have full faith in Quran. Quran makes it clear that even if that be the case, they shall go to Hell and they are Kafirs. This is the crux of all problems.

      • Hi Agni,

        You have very less idea of quran, so you should start reading it.

        I think that you have little brain and with that brain cant you realise the god which is created you, which is feeding you and which is helping you.

        First try to thanks the god which has given you all those things.

        You can know about the God from his messangers, so please learn who are these massengers and who is the final messanger.

        Kafir means “who reject faith”. Like you , who by knowing evrythng you still worship false Gods.
        That is the biggest mistake that can be committed. And they deserved the hell.

        I think you are fit to worship lifeless idol, and animals like cow,snake etc which will die tomorrow.

        Use your brain and understand the truth God.

        Kuran has been proved the word of God. Just see in the google hundreads of scintist , doctors turining to Islam because it is 100 % truth.

        I will prey for you to be part of that team.

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      • @Tamid
        Brother we dont want to believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani like you Qadiyanis. We dont consider him worth praising. What should we do? And also tell me that whether you Qadiyani bow to Qadiyan or Mecca?

      • @Timid

        First off, one doesnt need a brain to understand the Quran, its written in such low intelligence that even a drunk insane person can understand it from word to word.

        This explains why muslims have the most stupidest concepts in life like slaughtering animals in a ruthless way or forcing women to cover themselves up in a hijab that can cause them vitamin D deficiency.

        Can u tell me which scientific things are proven true in the Quran??? Apart from those rediculous childish miracles.

        And were these scientific things in the earlier versions of the Quran? The way I understand it that Quran becomes scientific only after when science discovers things prior to mullahs manipulating the verses to suit the science.

        As far as messengers go, please tell me who is the final one? Some say muhummad, some say Zakir Naik, some say Ghulam Mirza, and this train gets longer.

        As far as science is concerned, have u ever seen a scientist like Newton or Einstein praise the Quran??? These big scientists praised Vedas and Geeta, and claimed only hindu scriptures are the most scientific, so what makes u think that scientists convert to islam???

        Quran does not contain a single verse that explicitly shows earth revolving around the sun, what have u got to say about that?

      • @Vik

        I am feeling sorry for your lack of knowledge , dear.

        Being a hindu you should have inferiorty complex because you worship all kinds of lifeless creatures on earth and claims that to be God.

        Really , you guys are funniest on the earth, No head no tail.

        First of all you are Hindu, What is the concept of god in hinduism?

        How many Gods you have ? one? thousand? crore ? God knows… What a funny relegion.

        There are many gods in south India which north Indians are unaware of it , same case there are many
        Gods in North India and south Indians are aware of it? What a funny…

        Snake is God ? Cow is God ? and what else is God.?.

        So please use some brain and learn vedas and try to worship one God.

        So first you guys do the home work , decide on your concept of God and then we can discuss on further.

        If you are agniveer dare to ask Zakir Niak , Just find his date from net on public talk and you can ask and then challenge.

        If your Ravi shankar does not have sufficient knowledge then why he is gathering and fooling people.
        Evrery one know how he was escaping the debate…

      • @Tamid

        -> I am feeling sorry for your lack of knowledge , dearBeing a hindu you should have inferiorty complex because you worship all kinds of lifeless creatures on earth and claims that to be God.
        Really , you guys are funniest on the earth, No head no tail.

        Kudos to Islamic logic!! Those who believe in monotheism are funny and those who consider a rapist Paedophile as a prophet and even include his name in Kalma are sensible !! Again no fault of yours. Its all becoz’ of Quran and hadiths.

        ->First of all you are Hindu, What is the concept of god in hinduism?

        How many Gods you have ? one? thousand? crore ? God knows… What a funny relegion.
        There are many gods in south India which north Indians are unaware of it , same case there are many
        Gods in North India and south Indians are aware of it? What a funny…Snake is God ? Cow is God ? and what else is God.?.So please use some brain and learn vedas and try to worship one God.If you are agniveer dare to ask Zakir Niak , Just find his date from net on public talk and you can ask and then challenge.If your Ravi shankar does not have sufficient knowledge then why he is gathering and fooling people.
        Evrery one know how he was escaping the debate…<
        Ask a muslim to debate, and he will start harping on that incident. Go and watch that so-called debate again, if quran hasn't robbed you of all your senses to distinguish between Dialogue and Debate. Go and ask a ragpicker of your locality and he will tell you tales of your Rangeela Rasul

      • @Tamid
        And being Qadiyani, you have superiority complex that you have two last prophets Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and Muhammad! And above all two biggest idols to worship, stone of Kaba and Minar e Qadiyan!

      • @Tamid

        before deciding what I do or what I worship, tell me, whose your last prophet? Is it Zakir Naik, Muhummad, or Ghulam Mirza, or is there anyone else yet to come?

        this is a Vedic site, where we have gained a large quantity of good knowledge that a narrow minded like u will never understand.

        U will never understand the concept of God in hinduism, because people like u follow pedophiles and rapists, if we had someone like that in our community we would easily boycott him and be harsh on him.

        At least our religion doesnt have updated versions of books sent like u people?

        first go decide which version of the Quran do u follow and whose ur final prophet, because tommarrow i dont want to hear excuses like “that prophet for only that time” or “this book is corrupted so allah sent a new one”

      • @tamud,

        with the kind of ARROGANT attitude you showed in yur post , tell me why shouldnt I hate you? You think we have inferiority complex? Take a hike, hinduism is too deep for shallow people like you to understand.

        In my state muslims HIDE their muslim identity, due to inferiority complex, they just use their surnames, not their first names.
        Talk of inferirrity complex.

      • Dear Agniveer,

        Read your recent post and i was dissapointed to see some of the claims against Islam.I am not against any religion and for that matter Islam is not against any religion,Islam means complete surrender of ones will to God(Allah).I strongly recommend you to read the Holy Quran properly which is available in all languages.Every Muslim has to read and byheart Quran it is his duty if he does not do it he cannot be a Muslim.You said most of muslims dont know Quran since it is Arabic,Can u tell me how many Hindus know how many Vedas are there and how many can name them??You said Islam spreads message of hatred,well you are wrong my friend…pls go through the history carefully….Yu said jihad is mentioned in Quran ..yes…it says to kill kafirs yes…but when …it was verse in Quran sent during time of war…which says if somone or Kafir(non believer and not a Hindu) comes to attack you you need to defend yourself but at the same if that non believer or kafir comes to surrender or seeks pardon escort him to safety…Islam was not spread by Sword!!!!!You know which is the fastest growing religion in the world right now(pls google the detail)…u know the religion that is fast spreading in the US…and the translation you have given for /bismillah-Irahman-Nirahim is not ‘Dayanand Ki Jai’ for God sake….It means In the name of the most beneficient and Merciful….that is Allah SWT….

        Please read the Quran in the language you prefer…Hope allah will show you the right Direction one Day…

        Allahu Akbar….

  54. @ Arya,
    brother lets not choose agression , I am not here to point fingers at each other, I am a fan of agniveer's discussion, logics….. talking about text and religion i follow , here it is … i follow a text of ignorance called life… when my parents were struggling to get daily food i certainly did not find any text or text followers coming to help… the only help were neighbours sometimes we shared food and the place i lived were of all religions hindus, christians , muslims… and various languages kannada , tamil, telugu , urdu, malayalam, marathi and even today when i go back to the same place (after nearly 12 years) i still get the same love and respect.. and best part of it was all were illiterates , that makes me feel education has actually made us aggressive , voilant , intolerant?

  55. @ muslim
    Dear Brother,
    you are the only muslim i havnt seen agression in comments , off all the comments I read on agniveer, Times of India, muslim are very agressive in comments, looks like you are on the right path God bless you.
    Regarding debates by agniveer, I see he tries to do analysis impartially but at the same time when I read the Arya samaj critics they expose Swami Dayanands logics… so net I decided only one policy can take us to heaven or paradise " Live and Let Live" and one shouldnt be influencing each others thoughts on others. My logic is simple god has created each of us for a specific purpose and see how we can meet the purpose within the limitation he puts us in.

    • @Pradeep
      Try to point out the logic of Swami Dayanand, which has been exposed by your so called critics. Anyway, if you dont know anything about Ved and Quran, stay away from this discussion. At the most you can put any query, which you want to be clarified. Or else come for the debate if you can find out mistakes in Vedas.

  56. Couple of arguments which Vedas/Quran/Bible doesnt answer is
    1) why there are so many languagues and so many religious texts
    2) if we are on the wrong path why is god not putting us on the right path instead of punishing/rewarding us after our death?
    3)there is birth taking place in both poor and rich ( why is god pre-deciding who would have a good life and who would be struggling for a daily bread)
    4) why cant Jelously hatred and wrong emotions be erased before one is given birth ( will solve all problems)
    5) why is he testing us always and what is his benefits by testing us?if no benefits why cant he reward everybody heaven once of all and close this hatred?

    So we can choose either fight each other for generations to come or respect each other and co-exist in peace after all thats what our religious text wants

    Btw: Agni-veer where did you come with analysis of "b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm is another way of saying “Dayanand ki Jai!”"

    Regards,
    Pradeep

    • Pradeep,
      I suggest you go thru all the posts on vedas and quran. Coz' all ur queries have been systematically explained there. Coz' explaining again wud be like again starting from the scratch!!

    • 1. Ignorance always breeds variety. That is why there are so many texts and languages, all derived basically from original language of Vedas.

      2. God does not wait till death. His guidance is continuous. After death he simply puts you in the most perfect situation to continue the journey unhindered. God ensures that your thoughts shape the direction of your reality. He never punishes or rewards in the way normally understood. He simply provides the most optimal situation for our progress as per cumulative of our deeds from begininglessness to present moment. Its an integral function till present moment. When that pains us, we say its punishment and when its pleasure, we say its reward.

      3. Please read "God must be crazy" for such questions. These do not hold relevance in Vedic concept, because here life and death are like day and night. Present life was outcome of your deeds till last breath in previous life and next birth will be outcome of deeds till last breath in this life.

      4. By putting continuous efforts to remove these through scientific process of Yog, these can be eliminated. God does not offer free lunch. You put efforts and He provides optimal outcome accordingly.

      5. He is never testing us. Ignorant christians and muslims believe so. You are echoing the questions raised in "God Must be Crazy"

      6. We have to fight intolerance and ignorance. We cannot coexist with them and respect them until:
      a. Muslims refuse to believe that only those who follow Quran and Muhammad alone will go to heaven, rest all are kafirs and shall burn in hell forever.
      b. Christians refuse to believe that only those who surrender to Jesus and Bible alone will go to heaven.
      c. Both above refuse to accept verses that appeal for conversion of non-believers through fraud and force or apply taxes on them.

      and accept the vedic concept that it is not necessary to even believe in vedas blindly and that all we require is to believe in pursuing truth, peace, non-theft, non-hoarding and moral character. Rest shall come automatically as part of process.

      FInally, the Bismillah one came as a response to Prophet in vedas. If some words in Vedas can be interpreted by illiterates to mean Muhammad, then Bismillah has to mean "Dayanand ki Jai" as per scholars of Arabic.

    • @Pradeep
      First tell us, which book do you follow? Which God do you believe in? Why did he create us? Have you read Vedas?

      Bismillah part was not for you, it was for Zakir and his followers, who translate Naaraasansha as Muhammad. So you dont worry in this regard. Let Zakir say something about it.

    • yeh duniya ek masale dani jaise hai,har masala apne pane khane mai hai,our apni apni jagah per hai,deshantar,rehan ,sehan,watawaran yeh sab sabyta ko janmate hai,arab ke log maas khate hai or yahaan ke nahi,lekin ab aisa ho gaya hai ki masale aapass main ghul gaye hai our unka asli swad viluppta ho gaya hai.jo hummare liye theek tha woh bhagwan ne humko bataya jo arab walon ke liy theek tha woh unko bataya,ab agar arab ka halala ya haram yahaan per laagoo hoga toh yeh theek kaise or agar yahaan ka halal ya haram wahaan per laagoo ho toh bhi theek nahi hoga,jo sbhyata jahan ki hoti hai waheen per theek lagati hai.islam main dharm ke upar behas mulaheja karna haram hai,our agar koi musalman dharm ke upper behas mulaheja karta hai toh woh galat hai.aap apne allah main khush rahain hum apne hari main khush hai.agar kisi ko ved samaj main nahi aate hai toh usmai humare kya galti,agar ved unke samajh mai aate toh aaj woh sanatani hote.our paid ke fall se yeh maloom ho jata hai ki paid kaisa hai,toh hum apne paid ke our aap musalman apne paid ke.madiralay jaane ko ghar se chalta hai bhola bhala,kis path se jaaoon asamanjas mai hai wah bhola bhala alag alag path batlate sab per mai yeh batlata hoon raah pakad too ek chala chal paa jayega mdushala.

  57. @ muslim__Dear Brother,__ you are the only muslim i havnt seen agression in comments , off all the comments I read on agniveer, Times of India, muslim are very agressive in comments, looks like you are on the right path God bless you.__Regarding debates by agniveer, I see he tries to do analysis impartially but at the same time when I read the Arya samaj critics they expose Swami Dayanands logics… so net I decided only one policy can take us to heaven or paradise " Live and Let Live" and one shouldnt be influencing each others thoughts on others. My logic is simple god has created each of us for a specific purpose and see how we can meet the purpose within the limitation he puts us in.____

  58. Dear,

    “I urge you to impartially discover the Agniveer within you and discard all the evil that is taught in name of organized religion of last few thousand years. We all at Agniveer come from different faiths-by-birth but finally became a true Muslim” I think I am true muslim / i am in a jihad to become true muslim.

    I cannot become Agniveer , because i am only a slave before him. I think you can relate the meaning of Agni-veer. And becoming muslim( who submit his will to THE GOD) will find all human are equal before Him(GOD) regardless vedas, quran, bible.

    Muslim will laugh at you others will hate you. both
    You are exposing that Zakir Naik knows nothing about vedas he is stereotyped.

    Let we study to seperate good and evil, work/pray for best fesilities in this world.
    but not try to separate or wound hearts of human being who leaves in hormony.

    Wishing you good luck.

    • Namaste

      Thanks for your blessings. We are speechless by your praise.

      We would like to clarify that Agniveer merely means a person who valiantly seeks truth. His pride lies in his humility and surrender to Ishwar. It has nothing to do with aggression. But as you know, gates of Paradise are open only for those who have destroyed their ignorance. This is exactly our effort. We do not say anything out of hatred, but same love and compassion with which mother explains her kid why putting finger in electric board is dangerous. At times the kid also hates the mother, but that does not reduce mother's love for the child.

      We are indeed thankful to you for your kind words. Keep visiting the site and bestowing your patronage on us.

      Dhanyavad

      Agniveer PR Team

      • Thinking Vedas are only right and propagating this ideology is freedom, that is a healthy discussion too. Criticizing Islam with rumors and hatred ( 90% of your work) will not make one Agniveer. Thats not an healthy discussion.

        "gates of Paradise are open only for those who have destroyed their ignorance."
        you are correct! At our ends we think we correct, that might be our ignorance and later we'll regret that is human nature. Let we hope to remove our ignorance.

        I am sorry to say this, my previous comments are edited??

  59. @agniveer
    Agniveer are you Sonu Bhaskar? i mean your real name.
    Anyway… your works are good for readers … your works should capture the hearts of opponents.. I have nothing but a quote from Rumi
    " Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoings, there is a field,
    i will meet you there.
    When the soul lies down in that grass,
    the world is too full to talk about.
    Ideas, language, even the phrase "each other" doesn't make any sense "

    • @ Muslim

      Dear Brother,

      We thank you for your blessings and support. As a progressive Muslim, you have rightly understood that the aim of Agniveer site is not to condemn or criticize but to impartially reject falsehood and embrace the truth. We need impartial progressive Muslims to come to front, who can honestly analyze the scriptures given to them by birth or peer pressure or confusion. That is hallmark of an Agniveer.

      Agniveer is a collective effort of several truth-directed souls. All legends of humanity ever born were Agniveer. And there is an Agniveer within all of us. Several people discover the Agniveer within themselves through contribution to this site. I welcome you also to discover the Agniveer within you. You are a Muslim and no one can be a better Agniveer than a Muslim. Because Muslim – the Arabic word that existed long before Quran came – means one who humbly submits – to will of Supreme and to Truth. I urge you to impartially discover the Agniveer within you and discard all the evil that is taught in name of organized religion of last few thousand years. We all at Agniveer come from different faiths-by-birth but finally became a true Muslim – one who submits to Truth – and hence an Agniveer. I welcome you aboard to Agniveer movement – that has been continuing – since beginning of human civilization.

      Many thanks for all your support and blessings! We all are Paradise seekers and shall be together always in pursuit of Truth.

      Thanks and regards
      Agniveer PR Team

    • bhavishyapuran is not even a matter of subject here… those texts are used by the likes of zakir naik to cheer his semi-literate crowd

    • Bhavishyapuran says Prophet Mohammed was rebirth of a demon earlier killed by Lord Shiva. Again verses totally misinterpreted by Zakir Naik. See Agniveer’s article on this elsewhere in this website.

  60. wat a joke he is aking these questions to u mr agniveer….now i get it how intelligent ur ..u cant understand simple question thrown at u …hahahah…chala murari dr naik bane…

    • Again, only vague statements, and no content, fact or logic at all. Why you want to prove that Islam and Islam followers on path of naik are completely bankrupt of any fact or logic?

    • @Omar

      Omar, in this article, ur zakir has been stripped off of his dignity and all the lies he made against Vedas showing mohammad is prophecized in vedas (hahhahahhaha), islam and zakir naik have told me the 2 biggest jokes ever. ONe, that mecca is the center of the earth (hahahahahahh…nice joke) and 2 (mohmmad is prophecized in Vedas (hahaha…another funny joke). Ur zakir naik should join the circus…as hes good at makiing people laugh…….i only watch his lectures for nice comedy to laugh at him……..lol

      tell me why zakir refuses to have a debate with any Vedic scholar………..because he know his lies will be exposed.

  61. WHERE DID YOU GET THE MEANINGS FROM????
    YOUR GURU?TRANSLATION?U KNOW SANSKRIT?? WHICH SCHOOL YOU HAVE BEEN TO TO LEARN VEDAS IN ITS LANGUAGE??? YOU ARE NOT A BETTER HUMAN TO BE A CRITIC,WHEN U ITSELF DONT KNOW ??? SIMPLY QUOTING AND GIVING MEANING OF URSELF DOESNT PROVE U ARE RIGHT OR HE IS WRONG OR IN EITHER WAYS!!! STOP FOOLING PEOPLES.

    • Are you asking these questions to Zakir Bhai, MBBS? I am with you and understand how anyone would feel to see a fraud sympathizer of Osama meddling with Vedas based on fraud of a Qadiyani.

  62. Dear Shri Agniveer ji,

    Pranam,

    I express my deep sense of gratitude and sincere heartfelt thanks for your effort to uplift the truth and truth is always triumphs may it takes it own time. Any how the hypocrite, deceitful, illicit persons like Dr. Zakir Naik should be condemned for his dirty deeds. He is misleading Muslims and he is a greatest enemy of Islam itself. Vedas are like Agni (Fire) itself by touching that these frauds they themselves burn in it. May the Ultimate Reality "The Brahman" bestow his abundant blessings for yours noble work "Dharmo Rakshati Rakshitah". I am sharing yours content rapidly to my known ones they are appriciating yours effort. No doubt you are the genuine Aryan and a deserved Arya Dharmi and Arya Varthin.

    Thanking you, Om Tat Sat,
    With kind regards,
    Murali Mohan, Bangalore.

    • If you liked the effort, kindly circulate it across all well-meaning people. You can use the features of the site to share, bookmark or refer the articles to various sites. The more we propagate, more we come closer to our vision.
      Dhanyavad

  63. how can we all stop zakir naik, i am impressed with you exposing zakir's lies, but we or all hindus have to do something to stop him, and zakir naik doesnt debate anyone who challenges him, otherwise my request is for an arya samaj or you or vedic scholar should expose his lies on public. Besides, how well is sr sri ravi shankar in vedas, because I did not understand why he supported zakir in all his lies concering mohammad?

    • Sri Sri Ravi Shankar knows nothing of Vedas and merely leads a blinded cult. Unfortunately, all these neo-gurus have been the greatest enemies of Dharma and cause of our downfall. When gurus are so ignorant and insensitive to Dharma, what can be expected of followers. They are the businessmen who destroy our present and future, by posing as agents of Ishwar or happiness.

      Zakir Bhai has been challenged innumerable times. Check "zakir naik challenge" on google. But he shamelessly refuses to accept it. His secretary said that only if we get big crowd, will he accept. We invited him to a big Rishi Mela in Ajmer. IRF now refuses to talk to us.

      If we get some funds, we shall start big ticket prachar of our own. But in Hinduism, funds also come only when you organize meetings for garlanding each other and julus etc, that are waste of time and money, and only serve as publicity gimmicks. Anyways, if motive is genuine, Ishwar shall support in some way or other.

      • this is video link what sri sri ravishankar says:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx9jyi6CBuE&feature=related
        kindly search the term “Zakir Naik Rebuffed or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Change of tone 1” on youtube.

        Sri sri ravi shankar says that he doesn’t argue bcz the original concept of meeting is to bring together not divide and rule. He stated he doesn’t argue bcz the crowd will go mad. (specially the fanatical people). I believe sri sri figured it out about the Dr. jakir naik and his intention, that this person doesn’t hold the respect for any religion, and doesn’t have dignity about others. (spcially non-belivers of islam), and fanatic thought such as his ways is the only right way…

        so there is not meaning of arguing with this dumb person. but Now he is defaming the hindu religion, and says hindu religion is false, hopeless.
        This guys must be answered!!!! i hope sri sri has answered on the spot.

        BUT I DON’T THINK HE DOESN’T HAVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE VEDAS…

        And thank you Agniveer, for exposing the how he manipulate everything….

      • so……wat …..
        agniveer is so intelligent that he is trying to speak against a dumb person…..lollz.
        smarter than ……sri sri……..ha ha ha

      • Zakir Naik is a duffer and propagandist of the nth order. Just to add to some of the arguments of agneever, let me give some eye popping facts that will further expose the truth that there is nothing original about Islam and how shallow Muslims are. Kaaba is closest to Kabaali or Kabaaleeswaran (Synonym for Lord Shiva in Tamil). There is undoubtedly a shiva linga (lingas are usually block in Hindu tradition) with a Moon Crescent in kaaba. Muslims just do not want to accept it. Where there is Shiva. Hinduism suggests that where there is Shiva, there has to be Ganges. You have got zam-zam in Kaaba. Awesome!. To begin with, what is a black stone doing in a religion that abhors idol worship? Idols are not Gods in Hinduism but symbols that help in meditation if one is not a a seasoned practitioner and nothing else(Vedas do not approve of idol worship anyways). Idols are not believed to be God. Inference: muslims do not understand Hindus and are Hypocrites of the worst order. If it suites them, they accept a black stone to have powers and sacred and if it doesn’t it becomes a deity of the non-believers. The word Namaz is a combination of Nama(bowing) and Yajna(praying) in Vedas. Nothing original about bowing and praying in Islam or as Zakir Naik says, touching the head to Earth. The word Allah is modified from Ila in Puranas which also has synonyms such as Akka and Amba names for Parvati. Zakir Naik claims that Allah is a pure word with no masculine or feminine gender. I’ll give him at least two in Hinduism. Bhagwaan(in colloquial hinduism) and EEshwar (in Vedas). They have no masculine or feminine gender. No Muslim has ever explained, how the hell did 786 got imprinted on most of Islamic literature. Just watch this link: http://www.ceveni.com/2010/01/number-786-in-islam-and-hinduism.html. If you think that this is Hindu propaganda, then go to a non-Indian link http://maseeh1.tripod.com/advices7/id152.htm. Muslims still go around the Kaaba 7 times. This comes from still prevalent Hindu or Arya practice of…

      • great idea @patrioticmonk ..

        hope Agniveer explores the possibilities ..if not TOI ..i think regional news papers would do the job

      • Namaste

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  64. get a brain plzzzzz. Just decide first DO YOU BELIEVE IN VEDAS OR NOT? When it talks about Muhammad(PBUH) you dont, when it dont you believe.

      • Dear AGniveer , you seem to know that your research is genuinely true. However, i find a lot of discrepancies in your arguemnts:

        Firstly, you do not expose yourself. YOu are using a nickname, and if you are so truthful what stops you from using your original name

        Secondly, Your quotes do not have proper references. without references no research is complete since you are using secondary sources(as you did not write the Vedas nor did you write the Islamic texts-and perhaps you may not be aware of the fact as to how many Islamic texts are there in total!).
        Analysis is based upon either Deductive logic or inductive logic, and there is niether of them in your analysis. So any reasonable person or a researcher(if he is LITERATE) will discard your kind of RESEARCH!

    • Sameer, as Angineer has mentioned, Vedas have not been meant for History or predictions but just the (ultimate) knowldege. Any scripture 'written' in any language can be interpreted differently in various ways. Even Islam has been interpreted in many ways by many poeple. To understand the actual meaning, one has to experience the truth [that’s why Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) urges the people to be truth seekers]. The path (knowledge) is given and one has just to have the will and logic to analyze the knowledge and seek the truth . One cannot tell you or express to you about a new taste but you need to feel it yourself to understand. Dr. Zakir Naik might have read the Vedas and its difficult to believe if he has really sensed the actual meaning or experienced the truth.

      • BHAGAVAD GITA

        The most popular amongst all the Hindu scriptures is the Bhagavad Gita.

        Consider the following verse from the Gita:

        “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
        [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

        The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e. ‘gods’ besides the True God.

        UPANISHADS:

        The Upanishads are considered sacred scriptures by the Hindus.

        The following verses from the Upanishads refer to the Concept of God:

        1.

        “Ekam evadvitiyam”
        “He is One only without a second.”
        [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
        2.

        “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
        “Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
        [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
        3.

        “Na tasya pratima asti”
        “There is no likeness of Him.”
        [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
        4.

        The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

        “Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”

        “His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
        [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

        1[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 447 and 448]
        [Sacred Books of the East, volume 1 ‘The Upanishads part I’ page 93]

        2[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 745]
        [Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page 263.]

        3[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737]
        [Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

        4[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737]
        [Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]

        THE VEDAS
        Vedas are considered the most sacred of all the Hindu scriptures. There are four principal Vedas: Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda.

        1. Yajurveda
        The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:

        1.

        “na tasya pratima asti
        “There is no image of Him.”
        [Yajurveda 32:3]5
        2.

        “shudhama poapvidham”
        “He is bodyless and pure.”
        [Yajurveda 40:8]6
        3.

        “Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
        “They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
        [Yajurveda 40:9]7

        Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
        4.

        The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
        “Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander.”
        [Yajurveda 40:16]8

        5[Yajurveda by Devi Chand M.A. page 377]

        6[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Giffith page 538]

        7[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Giffith page 538]

        8[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Griffith page 541]

        2. Atharvaveda
        The Atharvaveda praises God in Book 20, hymn 58 and verse 3:

        1. “Dev maha osi”
        “God is verily great”
        [Atharvaveda 20:58:3]9

        3. Rigveda

        1.

        The oldest of all the vedas is Rigveda. It is also the one considered most sacred by the Hindus. The Rigveda states in Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46:
        “Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names.”
        [Rigveda 1:164:46]
        2.

        The Rigveda gives several different attributes to Almighty God. Many of these are mentioned in Rigveda Book 2 hymn 1.

        Among the various attributes of God, one of the beautiful attributes mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3, is Brahma. Brahma means ‘The Creator’. Translated into Arabic it means Khaaliq. Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Khaaliq or ‘Creator’ or Brahma. However if it is said that Brahma is Almighty God who has four heads with each head having a crown, Muslims take strong exception to it.

        Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda:

        “Na tasya Pratima asti”
        “There is no image of Him.”
        [Yajurveda 32:3]

        Another beautiful attribute of God mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3 is Vishnu. Vishnu means ‘The Sustainer’. Translated into Arabic it means Rabb. Again, Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Rabb or ‘Sustainer’ or Vishnu. But the popular image of

        9[Atharveda Samhita vol 2 William Dwight Whitney page 910]

        Vishnu among Hindus, is that of a God who has four arms, with one of the right arms holding the Chakra, i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a ‘conch shell’, or riding a bird or reclining on a snake couch. Muslims can never accept any image of God. As mentioned earlier this also goes against Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19.

        “Na tasya pratima asti”
        “There is no likeness of Him”

        The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:
        3.

        “Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata”
        “O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone.”
        [Rigveda 8:1:1]10
        4.

        “Devasya samituk parishtutih”
        “Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator.”
        [Rigveda 5:1:81]11

        Brahma Sutra of Hinduism:

        The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:

        “Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan”

        “There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit.”

        Thus only a dispassionate study of the Hindu scriptures can help one understand the concept of God in Hinduism.

        0[Rigveda Samhita vol. 9, pages 2810 and 2811 by Swami Satya Prakash Sarasvati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]

        11[Rigveda Samhita vol. 6, pages 1802 and 1803 by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]

        as from the sun.” The Prophecy confirms:

        1.

        The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be ‘Ahm at hi’ and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.
        2.

        Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.
        3.

        The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba Chapter 34 verse 28 (34:28):

        y dont u talk abut this

      • @SAA

        this foolish argument by Dr. Naik has been debunked way back in 2008 by Dr. Radhasyam Brahmchari

        Islam is a creed that cannot survive without lies. Any so called Islamic scholar, whenever presents a discourse on Islam before a non-Muslim civilized audience, begins with a blatant lie that Islam means piece. While, in fact, Islam is just the opposite of that called peace. Though it is well-known that Islam treats women no better than domestic animals- simply as objects for satiation of lust and a machine for procreation of children, these scholars say that the Koran has given dignity to women and Islam provides equal rights for men and women. While the Koran clearly states that each and every non-Muslim is a kafir, but these scholars, solely to confuse the entire non-Muslim population in the world, tell lies and say the word kafir stands for an atheist. The Koran clearly states that, jihad is the all-out war, which is to be waged against the non-Muslim kakirs to slaughter them en-masse by bloody massacre and bring the entire world under the banner of Islam, these scholars tells lies and say that jihad is a mental war between good and bad in a man.

        As a matter of fact, Islam considers telling lies to infidels or to give false testimony against them in the court of law for the benefit of Islam and for the benefit of jihad, a religious duty for every Muslim. Furthermore, the practice is called taqiyya or holy deception. Allah admires attaches merit to such a liar and rewards him profusely on the the day of last judgment (Qiyamah). Recently, a Muslim commentator has clarified that on three occasions, like (i) in war, (ii) or to win over a women’s heart and (iii) or for deceiving the infidels, lying is not a sin for the Muslims. So it is evident that Dr Zakir Naik will also be profusely rewarded by Allah for deceiving the infidels with his lies.

        It has been said earlier that this author has several video CDs containing lecture sessions of Dr Zakir Naik and in two of them Dr Naik tries to establish similarities between Hinduism and Islam. As usual, the lecture begins with condemnation of Hinduism and he says that name Hindu has only geographical significance and the term has been imported by outsiders or foreign invaders to identify the people of India and their culture. But the holy book of Islam, or Koran mentions Islam as a religion in several places such as verses 19, 85, 119 and 185 of the Sura Al Imran (the 3rd Sura). Moreover, Koran mentions Musalman in the verse 64 of the same Sura. Hearing his words the audience, mostly Muslim blockheads, is seen to be jubilant. But no one audience pointed out that a religion should be judged not by the name, but by the message it carries. However, Dr Naik , later on, clarifies and says that the real name of Hinduism is Sanatana Dharma, or Eternal Religion. Though there is no English word equivalent to the Sanskrit word Dharma, the word religion is usually taken as the English equivalent of Dharma.

        Dr Naik then clarifies that Islam is not a new religion originated by Prophet Muhammad 1400 years ago, and it came into being as soon as Allah created the first human being Adam in heaven. In my previous article “A Few Questions to Dr Zakir Naik on Islam”, I have shown that Allah created Adam not earlier than 4,127 years ago, and hence Islam, according to Dr Naik’s claim, cannot be older than the same number of years. But how old are the Vedas? Dr Naik admits that, according to Western scholars, the Vedas are the oldest literature of the mankind. But then ridicules the Hindus and says that they are polytheists and worship many Gods, while Muslims worship only one God Allah.

        But it seems that Dr Naik is not aware that Hinduism is the oldest monotheist religion in the world. Apparently it appears to a commoner that Hinduism is polytheistic as Hindus worship idols of many deities. But whosoever has tried to delve into it has found that Hinduism is absolutely monotheistic. In Hinduism, God (or Îúvara) is one, but deities are many. Even a Hindu child knows that, all these deities are the manifestations of one God (Iúvara or Brahman). So the seers of the Vedas say,

        Ekṃ sadviprâ bahudhâ vadanti Agniṃ Yamaṃ Mâtariúvânam âhuḥ -RV (1/164/46). (God is one but people call Him by many names like Agni, yama, Mâtariúvâ etc.) or

        Suparṇ Viprâḥ kavayo bacobhirekaṃ santaṃ vahudhâ
        kalpayanti- RV (10/114/5). (Him
        (With fair wings though there is only One (bird), sages imagin
        many).
        So, when Dr Naik designates Hinduism a polytheistic religion and ridicules Hindus for worshiping many Gods, he exposes his ignorance of even a b c of Hinduism.

        According to Dr Naik, Islam is the only religion that is strictly monotheistic, as its followers worship only one God Allah. But it seems, from Koran and other Islamic scriptures, that Allah is not confident that he is the only God in the world (not in the universe as Allah is aware only about heaven and earth).

        Had Allah been the only God, it would not have been possible for man to find another God to worship. And had Allah been confident that there is no other God except him, he should not have been jealous of another God. For example, let us imagine a village where there is only one well as the source of fresh water. Hence there would not have been any difference whether the villagers drink water from a glass or from a pitcher, or from a jug. And as there is not an alternative source, it must have been derived from that lone well. In a similar manner, if Allah knew that there is no other God, he would have been confident that people will not find another God to worship.

        But the behavioral pathern of Allah suggests that he is not confident that he is the only God. He seems always to be suspicious that there may be another God and people may worship that God instead of him and thus they may create a partner to him. So the scared Allah warns man not to worship another God or create a partner to him and says, “Say, ‘people of the Book, let us come to an agreement: that we will worship none but Allah, that we will associate none with Him, and that none of us shall set up mortals as deities besides Allah” (3: 64) [tr: N J Dawood (only the word God replaced by Allah].

        In this context, it should be mentioned here that, as the Hindu God is confident that He is the only God in this universe, He does not become jealous of another God and says,

        Ye api anya devatâ bhaktâ yajante úraddhayânvitaḥ z
        Te api mameva kaunteya yajantyabidhipûrbakam zz Bhagavadgitâ (9: 23)

        “O Kaunteya (Arjuna), even those who worship other gods with devotion (bhakti), they do really worship Me, though the rite differ from the norm” (tr: R C Zaehner). The Hindu God does not become angry and say, “you have committed the foulest sin by worshiping other gods or associating partner (shirk) with Me and I shall throw you in hell fire as a punishment for this sin, because He is confident that He is the only God, and no one could find another God to worship.

        To speak the truth, Allah is not a god at all. Allah is a cruel tyrant, a barbaric killer and a violent despot. In fact, the Islamic Umma is the biggest criminal gang on earth and Allah is leader and guide of that criminal gang and is trying to establish himself as the God of the world (not of the universe) with the help of the mujahidin through terror and bloodshed. He is therefore always scared that a member of his gang may slip out of his grip and start to worship that real God, the real ruler of the universe. So he has enforced strict law that if any one of his gang tries to desert the gang, he should immediately be declared an apostate and put to death. One should also notice that, this is the standing rule of every other underworld criminal gang. If any member of the gang leaves the gang, even with the intention of leading a decent life, the other members of the gang murder him instantly due to the reason that he may disclose the secrets of the gang.

        Allah in the Ṛgveda:

        It has been mentioned earlier that the lectures of Dr Zakir Naik are full of naked lies. The reader should also recall that, the most merciful and all knowing and all observing Allah has given clean chit to these people like Zakir Naik to tell any lie, to do any mischief and play any deception with the kafirs, if it helps to influence them and bring them under Allah’s fold or for propagation of Islam. And Dr Zakir Naik makes unrelenting use of that command of Allah in all his lectures. So, his claim that Allah is mentioned in the Ṛgveda is also a pure lie. Dr Naik says that the verses (2/1/11), (3/30/10), (9/67/30) and (1/13/9) of the Ṛgveda contain mentioning of Allah. When I opened the Ṛgveda, I was really dumbfounded that a man like Dr Zakir Naik, the president of a recognized institute like the Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) in Mumbai, could propagate such blatant lies and that too in open gatherings.

        The reader should recall that the word Âllâh has been derived from two Arabic words âl (the) and ilâh (anobject of worship). In Ṛgveda, there is a word iḷâ, with a completely different meaning. But Dr Naik, whenever could find the Sanskrit word iḷâ in the Ṛgveda, he, as his sacred duty of holy deceiption (taqyya), has declared it as mentioning of Allah, without a second thought.
        For example, the verse (2/1/11) of Ṛgveda says,
        Tvamagne aditirdeva dâúuṣe tvaṃ hotrâ bhâratî
        bardhase girâz
        Tvamiḷâ úatahimasi dakṣase tvaṃ bṛtrahâ vasupate
        sarasvatî zz

        “Thou, God (Agni), art Aditi to him who offers gifts: thou Hotrâ, Bhâratî, art strengthed by the song. Tthou art the hundred-wintered Iḷâ to give strength, O Lord of wealth! Vṛtra-slayer and sarasvatî” [tr: ibid]. According to Sâyana, the most celebrated commentator on the Vedas, iḷâ is the other name of Agni (the deity of fire). Furthermore, the entire Hymn (2/1) has been dedicated to God Agni and hence there is no doubt that the word iḷâ in the verse stands for Agni.

        The word iḷâ also occurs in the verse (1/13/9) of the Ṛgveda, that reads,

        Iḷâ, sarasvatî mahî tisro devîrmayobhuvaḥ z
        Varhiḥ sîdantasridhaḥ zz

        “Iḷâ, Sarasvatî and Mahî, three godesses who bring delight, be seated, peaceful, on the grass”. In this verse, Iḷâ is a godess and, according to Sâyana, Iḷâ in this verse may stand for earth, or cow, or vâc (speech).

        In a similar manner, there is another word Alâ in the Ṛgveda that refers to various deities. The verse (3/30/10) contains the word and says,

        Alâtṛṇo vala Indra vrajo goḥ pura hantorbhayamano byâra z
        Sugatpatho akṛṇonniraje gaḥ prâvanvâṇîḥ purahûtaṃ
        dhamantîḥ zz

        “He who withheld the kine, in silence yielded in fear before thy blow, O Indra. He made paths easy to drive forth the cattle. Loud-breathing praises helped the much-invoked One” [tr: ibid]. Here, Alâ is the other name of Indra. The entire Hymn (3/30) has been dedicated to Indra and this confirms that the word Alâ in the verse refers to Indra. But, as the word Alâ sounds like Allah, Dr Zakir Naik, like a fool, has taken it to be a mentioning of Allah.

        The word Alâ also occurs in the verse (9/67/30) of the Ṛgveda that says,

        Alâyasya paraúurṇâúa tamâ pavasva deva soma z
        Âkhuṃ cideva deva soma zz

        – “O, deva Soma, we pray to you so that the battle-axe of our enemy gets broken- Alâ, you descend and kill our irretating enemy”. Though the Hymn (9/67) has been dedicated to both Soma and Agni, scholars believe that the word Alâ in this verse refers to Soma or the Moon (or Soma) .

        According to Dr Zakir Naik, every Sanskrit dictionary contains the word Allah and says that Allah is the God. In the most authentic Sanskrit-English Dictionary by Monier Williams (A Sanskrit-English Dictionary, Motilal Benarasidass, Delhi,1981), the present author could not find the word Âllah. The words, this author could find that sound like Allah are; Al (to be competent or able), Ala (the sting in the tail of a scorpion), Alât (a firebrand or coal) and Âla (spawn, any discharge of poisonous matter from a venomous animal). Another authentic Sanskrit-English Dictionary (The Student’s Sanskrit-English Dictionary by Vaman Shivaram Apte, Motilal Benarasidass, Delhi, 2005), there is a word Allâ and says that it stands for mother.

        Conclusion:

        From the discussions presented above, it becomes evident that, all the utterences of Dr Zakir Naik regarding mentioning of Allah in the Ṛgveda and in the Sanskrit dictionaries are pure lies. But the question remains: Why Dr Naik is hell bent on to discover mentioning of Allah in Sanskrit literature? It has been mentioned earlier that Allah is most merciful and kind (Rahmanir Rahim) only to the Muslims. But for the non-Muslim kafirs, Allah is cruel beast and a barbaric killer. And most importantly, Allah is not at all the God or Lord of this creation and Dr Naik is striving hard to dignify Allah and to establish him as the God by discovering his name in the Vedas. His efforts are nothing but finding a pedigree for Allah.

        WAKE UP!

      • ha hah ha….. jealous of dr zakir naik… huh… if you know so much about vedas, and know that dr zakir naik is fooling people, then why dont you organize a debate between you and dr zakir naik? and expose him in front of the indian people, but i know you will not do that, because you cant even expose your self. you cant even dare to come in picture and say something to him. you can only bark on wesites with false names and try to misslead the people. truth dont hide identity. dr zakir naik is preaching islam infront of the million people. is thier anybody till today to expose him? anybody can get a chance to ask a question in front of millions. go and try to expose him. i garanty you will fall on your face…… try try… if you are true, then dont worry….. dont be afraid of anybody. ….. go and say all the things you mentioned above in front of him…..dr zakir naik never used abusing language for any religeon. ecause he is a true muslim, we dont abuse others, but what you have done in aove is showing your religeous faithm as I cant say this is your religeon teaching you like this, because no rreligeon teaches abusing others religeon.
        dont worry, you are showing your true face by hiding and using wepage as medium to propogate your dirty thoughts.
        fools like you will never wake up.

      • @true muslim

        listen, Zakir Naik has been challenged by Arya Samaj millions of times, its Naik that is running away from debating us, if you dont believe me, google search “zakir naik challenged by arya” you will see so many links, and by the way, Pandit Mahendra Pal Arya already debated two of the core IRF members and Peace Tv leaders, you can view the debate on youtube as well, where he left both IRF members speechless, just youtube search “islam vs arya samaj debate”

        do you your research before opening your mouth full of hatred, because it makes you look stupid, I mean really stupid.

      • What is the problem with the people doing so many research , but they are keeping away themself with Dr Zakir Naik and IRF .So far I know Dr Zakir Naik give reference with all the holy book , never had/have criticized religion or a book . As he says he dose it . He is the student of Comparative religion he is . IRF all time welcome to all the people who have any doubt or they wish to learn .Secondly please do not prepare your own thesis ,be open and try understand with fact and logic .By doing so you will come out from the shell where you are into unfortunately .

      • @Khan:

        Everyday I like to get some dose of laughter off the internet. Your post served that purpose for me today. You are a live example why people came up with the adage: “The total intelligence of the universe is a constant. Population is increasing”.

        be open and try understand with fact and logic

        It is only under willful disregard to fact and logic that one can owe allegiance to a hatemongering Allah and a Prophet who have been the source of oceans of bloodshed since 700 AD.

      • Zakir Naik knows only to quote out of context. It is like quoting “I love him” from the full sentence of “I love him not”. Both have different meanings. Zakir doesn’t even know what the meaning is. For example, from the Bhavishya Purana, Malecha means people who like filthy things. Mahamad means Gread Fool. Is he trying to say that Mohammed is a Fool ?? He is disgracing the great prophet himself by quoting Hindu puranas.

      • God is the biggest discovered and yet undiscovered mystery for the mankind.Man made religion to find the answer about the creator and to control the society in certain set of rules.But question of God,s existence remains unchanged.Societies keep on evolving with the progression of science , those religion who could not answer the queries get vanished from the face of earth.

        Now every religion creators works as per there intelligence level ,that can be seen in there works,Islam may be a religion but if we compare this with the theory of Vedas then difference would be same as the work of Class Xth and PHD .

        Islam stands on faulty parameters. They copy everything from jews .Adam and Eve theory is a bunkum and laughable story.To think that entire humanity have arrived from one set of parents is palusible.Modern day scientist have discovered more then 10,000 DNA for humankind, till date, and that research is still going on.So as of now we can precisely say that we came from minimum 10,000 set of parents.This is the starting of Christianity and Islam and judaism,If the start is a big False how can there religion be ???

        Suppose ,Religion is like a “Pipe” and society is a “plant” which is planted to grow inside that pipe(religion),In future society plant grows to a tree and that pipe of religion stands there .What will happen then ?

        That “Pipe” (religion) will be either broken or get vanished inside a grown up tree.So religion has to keep evolving and changed as per the demand of the society.Those religion who will stand up unchanged like a pipe will be finished the coming future.

        So this is for great fan of Islam , either you should reform or in 50-100 years this religion will be a history on this earth.All other existing religion have gone through there enlightenment period except Islam.

      • Sambhuti means everything that is created including earth,temples, land ,sea,including your mosques , kabba and Medina. Now also stop preaching them .Why the hell you people poke your nose into sanskrit when you even don,t understand even an iota of it.Simply cutting and pasting from IRF won,t help.I invite you to visit at chinmaya mission for knowing what sanatan dharam means, mythology don,t ahev a great space in real fold of it.It was created marely for allegorical refrences.

        We don,t criticize other faiths but that doesn,t means we will take each distortion lying down. Hindus are not cowards , they know how to defend there faith, they have done it form past 1000 yeras from allien religion such as Islam and christianity and they will do it now also.Stop dreaming of converting Hindus into Islam

        .In fact take care of Islam which is getting more bad name as new days entered

      • Agniveer it is a ploy to convert Hindus to Islam by claiming a prophet (Mohammed) was predicted in Hinduism. The purpose is to make Islam the next step after Hinduism or the final chapter of Hinduism. This is not new. Mohammed himself declared himself the last prophet of the Jews. No prophet was predicted in the Jewish texts or its offshoot Christianity (Judaism 2.0). Judaism only spoke of the Messiah. Christians believe the Jew Jesus is the Messiah and the Jews still think the Messiah has not yet come, and that (whether the Messiah has come and if Jesus is he) is the source of tension between the two Jewish faiths of Judaism and Christianity. There is no prediction of another prophet coming after the Messiah in either Judaism or Christianity (Judaism 2.0). Mohammed the Arab polytheist comes along several centuries after Jesus and says he is the last prophet of the Jews ( a self proclamation), and his Koran the uncorrupted version of the Jewish and Christian texts. Zakir is just using Mohammed’s tactic against Judaism and Christianity now against Hindus.

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