A commonly held perception regarding Vedas is their prejudice against Shudras. Vedas are accused of being Brahminical texts designed to subdue the Shudras. They are considered to be the source of caste-based discrimination that is touted as the primary characteristic of Hinduism/ Sanatan Dharma or Vedic Dharma. The entire pro-Dalit movement also has its foundation on this baseless notion.

Unfortunately, nothing could be far from truth. In this series of articles, we would provide evidence from Vedas and related texts to establish the following:

a. The meaning of four Varnas and Shudra in particular is completely different from what the Macaulay inspired intellectuals would want us to believe.
b. There is absolutely no element of birth-based discrimination or denial of opportunity for any human being in Vedic way of life.
c. If there is one text that provides evidence of highest level of meritocracy and equal-opportunity, it is the Vedas. Even the most contemporary texts on human rights cannot come closer.

Before we begin our journey of solving the caste-puzzle through Vedas, let us start with certain worship mantras from Vedas that mention Shudras:

Yajurved 18.48:
O Lord! Provide enlightenment/ compassion to our Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras. Provide me also with the same enlightenment so that I can see the truth.

Yajurved 20.17:
Whatever crime we have committed against my village, forest or committee; whatever crime we have committed through our organs, whatever crime we have committed against Shudras and Vaishyas, whatever crime we have done in matters of Dharma, kindly forgive us relieve us from the tendency of the same.

Yajurved 26.2:
The way I gave this knowledge of Vedas for benefit of all humans, similarly you all also propagate the same for benefit of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Shudras, Vaishyas, Women and even most downtrodden. The scholars and the wealthy people should ensure that they not deviate from this message of mine.

Atharvaved 19.32.8:
O Lord! May I be loved by everyone – Brahmin, Kshatriya, Shudra or Vaishya. May I be admired by everyone.

Atharvaved 19.62.1:
May all noble people admire me. May kings and Kshatriyas admire me. May all look at me with admiration. May the Shudras and Vaishyas admire me.

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  1. daal chaval adi isliye bine jate hai ki khane me kirkiri n ho !
    gujrat me sharab ki bikri bahut salo se band hai fir bhi avaidh sharab bikti hai aur sabhi jati ke log pite hai ! jaise suar ka mans bajaro me khule aam bikta hai aur muslim kabhi nahi khate aisa hi haal sharab ka bhi karna hoga ! sarkar to tex ke lalach me sharab bikvati hai aur har jati ka vyakti usko pita hai kam se kam dalit bandhu to n piye !

    • Q. Gujrat me sharab ki bikri bahut salo se band hai fir bhi avaidh sharab bikti hai aur sabhi jati ke log pite hai !
      A. Nameskar, sir, jis kam se Hindu/Brahmin/Arya ka fayda ho or Desh, Rajya or samaj ko nuksan ho kya us rajya me koi, desh bhagat, samaj sewak, budhiman, gayani, gunwan vaykti ho sakta hai sir aap kkud samajdar ho. Sir,is burai ko Hindu devi devtao ne bhi promote kiya haihodono fir abhi tak aap ne kay kiya, avaidh karobar khoob ho raha hai or is se, Gujrat ke sakri khazane or shuder verg ka sab se jayada nuksan ho raha, Avaidh sarab bechne ka fyada sarkar , Neta, Poonjipati ko ho raha hai ur usme 99% Hindu/Brahmin/Arya hai unhe aap ki meri desh ki, samaj ki shudro ki ya or anya jatio ki koi chinta nhi bas apni tizori bharne se matlab hai

      Q.Suar ka mans bajaro me khule aam bikta hai aur muslim kabhi nahi khate aisa hi haal sharab ka bhi karna hoga ! sarkar to tex ke lalach me sharab bikvati hai aur har jati ka vyakti usko pita hai kam se kam dalit bandhu to n piye !
      A.Sir, Suar Varah roop me Vishnu ka teesra avtar hai aur manushya ka mal khata hai isliye muslim nhi khate ye hazaro salo se ban kiya hua hai, Jaise hindu dharm me beef ban hai, Bharat me 6 bade beef slaughter house hai jo ki Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ke hai or market me bhi milta hai lekin kaya hindu khate hai nhi. Lekin sura sunderi ka parchalan to Hindu dharam me aadkal se chala aa raha Sru or asur do iska paryog karte the. Bahut se mandiro me mns or madira se devi devtao ki pooja ki jati hai or inka parsad viteran hota hai. Muslim me kabhi bhi Dharmik sthan par daru istemal nhi hoti.

  2. apne manu 8/20-22 ka slok pesh kiya ham usko galat kahege 1
    jara batlaiye ki apne manu smriti padhi hai ya any kisi kitab me likhi hui bat aap pesh kar rahe hai’
    jab aap 8/20– 22 ka sabut dete ha
    i to sath me 8/19 ko kyo chod dete hai , jo iske vivprit likha hai ! sambhav hai ki atyachari kisi raja ne manusmriti me milavat kar di ho shudro ko dand dene ki niti banayi ho jaise parashuraam ne kshatry kul ka nash karne ko nikle the aur apne ko ya samaj ek kuch logo ne unko bhi ishvar ka avatar ghoshit kar diya tha 1 hamne pahale din se hi yahi kaha tha ki manusmriti me milavat hai ! achhi bat ka sabut hamne8/336 -338 me diya tha aur apne galt bat ka sabut bhi usi manu smriti me se diya hai
    fir sahi bat kyo n mani jaye koi lekhak achhi bat ke saath burui bat bhi kyo likhega is par sochiye jimnhoe milava t ki hai unko dosh abshy dijiye na ki manu ko ?
    apki yah baat saty hai jaise babari masjid j ko girane log age aye the vaise hi manu ki milavti bat ko hatane me bhi log age aye 1 vaise ham us vivadit dhanche ke girane ke samarthak nahi hai agar vah vivadit dhancha muslim samuday girata to jayda achha hota 1
    aaj ke samay me koi manu ji ki kitab nahi padhta auarcf galat baat to kuran me b hai aur baibal me bhi
    baibal me to hajart loot apni sagi do bitiyo se 2 bachhe bhi paida karte hai , jo ajatak baibal se nahi nikalai gayi aur yahi haal kuran ka bhi hai jisme gair muslimo ki hatya aur unse zehad karne ko kaha gaya hai ab vah nikale athava nahi nikale
    lekin apne bhartiy shityo megalat vate hatai jani chahiye 1 tabh hamne “vishuddh manusmriti’ jo karib 30-40 saal pahle hi prakashit ho chuki hai uski or ap sabka dhayn akarshit kiya tha usme is tarah ke shlok nikal diye gaye hai 1

    • Q.i to sath me 8/19 ko kyo chod dete hai , jo iske vivprit likha hai ! sambhav hai ki atyachari kisi raja ne manusmriti me milavat kar di ho shudro ko dand dene ki niti banayi ho jaise parashuraam ne kshatry kul ka nash karne ko nikle the aur apne ko ya samaj ek kuch logo ne unko bhi ishvar ka avatar ghoshit kar diya tha 1 hamne pahale din se hi yahi kaha tha ki manusmriti me milavat hai ! achhi bat ka sabut hamne8/336 -338 me diya tha aur apne galt bat ka sabut bhi usi manu smriti me se diya hai
      fir sahi bat kyo n mani jaye koi lekhak achhi bat ke saath burui bat bhi kyo likhega is par sochiye jimnhoe milava t ki hai unko dosh abshy dijiye na ki manu ko ?
      Q. Jaise en neemboo hazaro liter ddodh ko kharab kar deta hai vaise hi ek burai sari acchatio ko khatam kar deti hai. Rawan ki bhi to ek hi galti thi.
      Q.apki yah baat saty hai jaise babari masjid j ko girane log age aye the vaise hi manu ki milavti bat ko hatane me bhi log age aye 1 vaise ham us vivadit dhanche ke girane ke samarthak nahi hai agar vah vivadit dhancha muslim samuday girata to jayda achha hota 1
      aaj ke samay me koi manu ji ki kitab nahi padhta auarcf galat baat to kuran me b hai aur baibal me bhi
      A. Sir, Dr.Ambekar ke siway manusamriti ki milawat ko door karne koi Hindu/Brhmin aage nhi aaya.25 Dec 1927 ko Pehli bar manusamriti Maharashtra me jalai gayi aur aaj bhi usko jla rahe hai lekin koi Hindu/Brahmin nhi aage aata. Kewal waho log aage aate hai jis ka manusamriti ke dwara harazaro salo se shoshan hota aaya hai. Sir jaise desh ki gangi ko door karna sab ki jimmewari kewal safai wale samuday ki nhi fir aap apni jimmewari se dar ke kyo bhag rahe ho.

      • hamne aapko batlaya tha ki 30-40 saal pahle hi “vishuddh manusmriti” ke nam se granth banaya gaya hai jisme galat bate nikal di gayi hai ! aaj milavti mansusmrti hi kitni apdhi jati haitavishuddh manusmriti bhi kitni padhi jayegi 1
        apne dudh aur nimbu ki misal di jo galat hai ham bine huye chaval ,daal gehu adi ki misal vishuddh manusmriti ke rup me de rahe hai1 yani manu smarti me milavat niakli ja skati hai aur dudh me nimbu ke ras ko nikala nahi ja skata!

        apne bhi yah svayam svikar kiya hai ki jaise babari masjid todi gayi vaise manusmriti milavat ka khatama kyo nahi kiya ja sakta ! aapne kaha ki manusmriti 1925 se jala rahe hai ! kya usko jaalne se koi kranti huyi ? ab agar aaj koi bhi varg khule aam kuran jalaye ya baibal jalaye gita ramayanjalaye tab saamj me jagrukta a sakti hai manusmriti ka aj ke zamane ke koi muly nahi hai ham usko jaalane ka virodh nahi karte hai jo apki marji vah kare saath me yah bhi dekhe ki usse labh kitna mila ! aap iski chinta mat kijiye ga ham koi bhavuk insan hai ya hamara manusmriti se koi lagav hai ap sal me ek baar jalate hai agar har ghante is kitab ko jalaye tab bhi hamko koi taklif nahi hogi 1 kyoki kitabe jad hoti hai unke vichar jarur mahatvpurn hote hai 1

      • Q.hamne aapko batlaya tha ki 30-40 saal pahle hi “vishuddh manusmriti” ke nam se granth banaya gaya hai jisme galat bate nikal di gayi hai ! aaj milavti mansusmrti hi kitni apdhi jati haitavishuddh manusmriti bhi kitni padhi jayegi 1.
        A.Sir, dhanyawad, yani aap ne ek bat to sawikar kar li yani Ramanayan kal se aaj tk ke samay me se 3-40 sal nikal de, to yeh satya sabit hio chuka hai ki Hindu/Brahmino ne lakho sal tak galt tarike se apne aap ko shresth kehlwane ke liye shudro ko shoshan kiay. Desh ki gulami ka mukhaya karan yahi tha, jo kuchh kar sakte the unko pana gulam bana liya aur aap kuchh karne ki himmmat nhi kar paye. Kya aise the Arya Hindu or Widwan jihone galat parchar parsar se manvta aur desh ko barbad kar diya.
        Q.apne dudh aur nimbu ki misal di jo galat hai ham bine huye chaval ,daal gehu adi ki misal vishuddh manusmriti ke rup me de rahe hai1 yani manu smarti me milavat niakli ja skati hai aur dudh me nimbu ke ras ko nikala nahi ja skata!
        A. Sir aap theek kehte hai doodh nhi nikala ja sakta, paneer to banaya ja sakta hai, Agar chaval dal me agar kankar kache ho to sari dal chawal kirkire ho jate hai aur khane like nhi rehte faikne padte hai.
        Q.aapne kaha ki manusmriti 1925 se jala rahe hai ! kya usko jaalne se koi kranti huyi ?
        A.Rawan kab se jla rahe hai kya hua aaj har ghar, gali. muhalle shehar, desh ke kone kone me rawan milta hai ko si karati aayi. Manu Smriti jlane ke bad shudro me burai ko khatam karne, apne adhikar pane, Hinduo ki gulami se aazadi pane, Brahmno ke pakhand ka bhanda fod karne jaisi krati aap dekh sakte ho, leki Lakho salo ki burai ko chand salo me door nhi kiya ja sakta.
        Q.Agar har ghante is kitab ko jalaye tab bhi hamko koi taklif nahi hogi 1 kyoki kitabe jad hoti hai unke vichar jarur mahatvpurn hote hai 1
        A.Sir, Kagaj or bans ka rawan ka putla har sal jlate hai vo bhi to jad hai, lekin burai ka parteek hai, usi tarah Manusmriti shudro ke liye Burai or manavtavirodhi ka parteek hai. to

      • manusmrti ke niyam se 1925 ke aspaasi ke samay me bhi dandh vidhan nahi tha !
        jo galt dand vidhan tha vah hajaro saal purana tha! vah chut chuka tha isliye manusmriti jalane ki baat galat hai
        vaicharik kranti avashy kijye aaj kai karod dalit bandhu nahse ka shikar hokar garibi jhel rahe haiusko bachaiye !a
        apki ya baat saty hai ki har saal ravan ke pultle funke jate hai usse kya hota hai jab usse nahi hota to apbhi galat rasta kyo apnate hai! aaj raavan ke baap gali gali ghar ghare me majuud hai isliye raavan ka putla funkne se bhi koi labh nahi hota hai !
        jo savarn logo en rasta apanaya vahi kary ap bhi karate hai ! uske gulam kyo bane naye raste apnaiye
        paneer ka namabar baad me ata hai sabs e pahale dudh ki jarurat hai isliye us dudh me nimbu mat daliye jab paneer khane ki ichha ho tab nimbu daliye 1
        atyachar kabhi bhi ho vah galat hi kaha jayega !

      • Q.manusmrti ke niyam se 1925 ke aspaasi ke samay me bhi dandh vidhan nahi tha !
        jo galt dand vidhan tha vah hajaro saal purana tha! vah chut chuka tha isliye manusmriti jalane ki baat galat hai.
        A. Sir ye to aap man gaye ho 1925 se manusamriti or uske galat niyam or dand vidhan the ye ram ke kal se bhi pehle se chale aa rahe the jo ooran roop se shuder or manvta ke dushman the, Agar Islam or British Bharat me nhi aate to aaj bhi manisamriti ka dand vidhan hota or manvata sharmsar hoti. Islam or Christianity ne shudro ko Hindu/Brahmino ki gulamai se azad karwaya agar ye na hote to aap ki bat sach hoti aur Bharat ka Sawidhan likhne wale bhi Hinduo ke gulam hote.
        Q.Vaicharik kranti avashy kijye aaj kai karod dalit bandhu nahse ka shikar hokar garibi jhel rahe haiusko bachaiye !
        A. Sir, Vaicharik kranti aap ke muh se jhlak rahi hai, jis ko aap uper dalit bandhu keh kar sambodhit kar rahe ho unko aap ke bajurg DALIT BANDHUA keh kar pukarate the. Sir.vaicharik kranti to hai , Lekin iske peechhe ki sajis ko nhi samajh rahe. Jaise Inder apna verchsaw bachane ke liye Raksasho or Rishio ke tapsya bhang karne ka kam karta tha Nashe ki factoriyo ke malik ye Hindu/Brahmin/Arya bhi wahi kam kar rahe hai. Vo bhi insko Aaarthik, Mansik Shareerik roop se kamjor karne ka kam kar rahe.Nasha bechane wale 99% Hindu/Brahmin/Arya agar apni nashe ki dukane 6 mahine ke liye band kar de to vaicharik kranti ka parbhaw kai 100 guna ho jayega or dalit bandhu is nashe daldal ne hamesha ke liye nikal jayenge. Hindu/Brahmino ko ye bhi maloom hai jis din shuder is daldal se nikal gya us din Hindu/Brahmino ka astitav khatre me pad jayega, Isliye koi bhi Brahman/Hindu aisi galti nhi karega ki shudro ki halat achhi ho. Ab har Bhartiya to Dr.Ambedkar nhi ban sakta. Jo log Hindutav ke parbhaw se door hote ja rahe vo progress kar rahe hai.
        Sir Paneer khya ja sakta hai lekin kache kankar wali kirkari dal chaawal nhi khaye ja sakte fainkne padti hai.
        Rawan ne bhi ek galti ki thi Sir,

      • @Dalbir

        Jo Galat hai usko chod do. Usko kabhi svikar mat karo. Kisi bhi kitab me koi baat galat hai to usko follow mat karo. Qitab me milavat qyo nahi ho sakti? Hame hamesh uch adarsho ko apanana chahiye agar koi pustak isme hamri sahayta karti to acchi baat hai.

      • Q.Jo Galat hai usko chod do. Usko kabhi svikar mat karo. Kisi bhi kitab me koi baat galat hai to usko follow mat karo. Qitab me milavat qyo nahi ho sakti? Hame hamesh uch adarsho ko apanana chahiye agar koi pustak isme hamri sahayta karti to acchi baat hai.
        A. Aap ne theek kaha shremman jo galat hai usko chhod dena chahiye, Maine aaj tak AGNIVEER par jo swal kiye vo Sabhi Hindu dharmik pustko aur unke partro ke aadhar par kiye. Mere ko koi bhi satisfy nhi kar paya. Mere swalo ke kewal do jawab maximu mile or vo the MILAWAT KI GAYI HAI, YA DEVI DEVTA AUR UNKI KAHANIYAN KALPNIK HAI. KEWAL YE HI 2 JAWAB MILTE RAHE HAI JO SACHAI SE KOSO DOOR HAI ISLIYE HINDU/BRAHMIN DEVI DEVTA OR UNKI SANSKRITI KE BARE MAI CHARCHA KARNA AAP KE ANUSAR NIHAYAT GALAT HI NHI BEFKOOFI BHI HAI AUR HER PARAKAR SE GALAT HAI KYOKI AAP HAR JAHAG GALAT SABIT HUA LEKIN AAP USKO MILWAT AUR KALPNIK KEH KAR BADE ITMINAN SE BACHTE RAHE. AAP KO BHI MALLOM HAI KE YE GALAT HAI LEKIN SACHAI QABOOL KARNE KA SAHAS NHI KOI BAT NHI. JAISA AAP NE UPER KAHA HAI KI JI GALAT HAI USE CHHOD DO HUM AAJ SE YAHI PAR IS CHARCHA KO YAHI VIRAM DETE HAI. KYOKI IS CHARCHA KE PATER, PUSTAKE, DEVI DEVTA, SAB GALAT OR KALPNIK HAI. AB MERE KO HINDU/HINDUTAV/BRAHMIN/ARYA/GEETA /KRISHAN/RAM/RAMAYAN OR UNSE MILTI JULTI KALPNIK OR MILAT WALI MANORANJAN KAHANIYO AADI SABHI TAYG KAR EK SHUDH MANVTAWADI JEEWAN NIRWAH KAROONGA.
        KABIR DAS JI KEHTE HAI “NINDAK NEEYRE RAKHIYE AANGAN KUTI CHHUWAYE FIR SABOON BIN PANI KE NIRMAL KARE SUBHAYE” KAYOKI MAI JIS RAM , RAMAYAN KRIASHAN GEETA OR ANYA DEVI DEVTAO KO SATYA MAN RAHA THE VO TO MILAWATI OR KALPNIK NIKLE. YE BATA KAR AAP NE MUJH PAR JU UPKAR KIYE HAI MAI USKE LIYE AAP KA BAHUT BHAUT DHNAYADA AAP NE MERI AANKHE KHOL DI.
        MAI IS SITE OR IS SE JUDE GYANIYO KA AABHARI HOON .AAP KA OR MERE YAHI TAK KA SATH THA DHANYAWAD.

  3. RAAM JI KI LOKPRIYTA shambook ki hatya se nahi hui balki brahman raavan ki hatya ki vajah se hui hai
    aur is bat ka virodh samany brahmano ne bhi nahi kiya aur n savarn kahalaye jane valo ne bhi 1
    aisa hi haal shri krishn ji ka bhi raha unho ne bhi kans, shishupal ki hatya ki vah kshatiy bhi the , fir bhi kshatriyo ne is baat ka virodh kabhi nahi kiya dronachary ne ape putr ashvatthama ko bhi arjun se jayda shiksh nahi di thi 1
    manu smriti ki bunayad me kisi ko saja nahi milti hai 1

    • Q. RAAM JI KI LOKPRIYTA shambook ki hatya se nahi hui balki brahman raavan ki hatya ki vajah se hui hai
      aisa hi haal shri krishn ji ka bhi raha unho ne bhi kans, shishupal ki hatya ki vah kshatiy bhi the , fir bhi kshatriyo ne is baat ka virodh kabhi nahi kiya dronachary ne ape putr ashvatthama ko bhi arjun se jayda shiksh nahi di thi 1
      manu smriti ki bunayad me kisi ko saja nahi milti hai 1

      A.Rawan ne seeta haran kiya, Kans ne bhi hatya ki, sheeshu pal ne bhi galat kam kiya isliye unki hatya ka virodh nhi hua, Lekin Shambuk ko Brahmano aur ram ne ek shadyanter ke tahat murder karwaya Shambuk bekasur tha kewal ek brahman puter ki maritu ka doshi karar de kar unka murder karwaya gaya. Yadi shudero ne gayan pa liya to brahmano ke pakhand ki pol khul jati. Shunder ke marne par aaj tak kabhi bhi Brahmano/Akshtriyo or vaisho ne virodh nhi kiya . Maharashtra me shuder ki hayta Baba Saheb ki ring tone bajne se hui koi brahman akshtrya ya vaish ki statement aayi ki galat hua, MP me shuder ganda pani pe rahe hai kis brhamin ya upper caste ne kaha ki ye galat ho raha hai inska virodh kiya. Brahmnin/Akshtriya/Vaish shuder par ho rahe atyachar ka kabhi virodh nhi karta.

      Dronacharya apne puter to kuchh de ya na de, lekin Eklavya ne to pani mehnat se hasil kiya tha, usko yogyta chhinane ka adhikar drochacharya ko kaise ho sakta. Kewal IRSHA OR DWESH KE KARAN HUA KI SHUDER BRAHMIN ARYO AKSHTRYO SE SHRESTH KAISE HO SAKTE HAI YAHI GANDI SOCHA THI JIS NE EKLAVYA KA ANGOTHA KATWAYA. IS SE TO KWAL bRAHMIN/AKSHTRIYAO/vAISHO KO FAYDA PAHUCHA FIR VIRODH KAYON KARENGE.

      MANU SAMRITI ME KATHOR SAZA KA PRAVDHAN KEWAL SHUDRO KE LIYE HI HAI, TAKI VO GAYAN KE BINA RAHE AUR PADHU JEEVAN JENE KO MAZBBOR RAHE AUR BRAHMANO KI POL PATTI NA KHULE AUR VO DHARAM KE NAM PAR LOGO KO BEWKOOF BANA KAR LOOTNE RAHE AUR HARAM KI KHANTE RAHE.

      • dekhe manusmriti 8/,336-337-338 jisme ek samany vyakti ke aprdhi ko jo dand diya jata hai ahgar vahi apradh ek raja kare to usko hajar guna dand us raja ko lagna chahiye brahman ko rajkiy vibhagmekary karnevala vahi aparadh kare to 800 guna 600 guna yani jiska pad bada ho usko utna jayada guna dand diya jay e
        ek shudr ko 8 guna vashy ko 16 guna , ksahtruuiy ko 32 guna aur brahaan k 64 guna se 100 guna tak dand lagaya jaye artahat jo jitnagyani viveki ho agar vah bhi apaardh karta haito usko kai guna jyada dand milna chahiye ! ‘jaise ek singh[sher] ko vash me karne ke liye goli aag se dand dena hota hai aur bakri to ek dandi se ankush me aa jate hai !!
        aaj bhi asharam bapu ki jamant nahi ho pa rahi hai ! aur ” prbahvshali ” sahara ke mukhiya bhi salo se jel me hai ! sanay apaardhiyo kojaman bhi jaldi mil jati hai!
        raam ji ne apni kshatriy patni sita ko bhi tyag diya tha ! fir bhi apne pita dashrath ka anukaran n karte hye any kiis mahila ko apna jivan sathi bhi nahi banaya tha 1
        fir bhi har raja ke rajy me kuch galat dand bhi ho jate hai raam ji bhi iske apvad nahi honge 1
        kahajata hai kii hindu samaj me ishvar ke avtar hote hai raam ji aur krishn ji jyada vikhyat rahe hai vah brahman nahi the fir bhi brahaman unki aradhna karta hai aur ram ji ke kshatriy hone par vivad bhi nahi karta kaha jata hai ki parashuram brahaman the vah bhi ishvar ke avtar kahalaye gaye fir bhi parashuram ke mukable me raam ji ko manta hai brahman bhi unko jyada samman deta hai !
        apke hisab se shambook ke sath anyay hua savarn ne kiya eklavy se anyay hua 1 usi samaj me sant ravidaas ji bhi hue unko sant ki upadhi mili 1
        koi bhi shudr sanyasi ho sakta hai koi manahi nahi hai!
        ambedkar ji ko bar et law ki padhai inglaind me karvane ka khrch badoda ke naresh gayakvad [kshatriy] ne uthaya tha !
        ambedkar ji ko mantri pad neharu ji [brahman] ne diya tha ! ambedkar ji ko sanvaidhan nirmatri samiti ka adhykash savarn samaj ke netao ne…

      • Q.dekhe manusmriti 8/,336-337-338 jisme ek samany vyakti ke aprdhi ko jo dand diya jata hai ahgar vahi apradh ek raja kare to usko hajar guna dand us raja ko lagna chahiye brahman ko rajkiy vibhagmekary karnevala vahi aparadh kare to 800 guna 600 guna yani jiska pad bada ho usko utna jayada guna dand diya jay e
        ek shudr ko 8 guna vashy ko 16 guna , ksahtruuiy ko 32 guna aur brahaan k 64 guna se 100 guna tak dand lagaya jaye artahat jo jitnagyani viveki ho agar vah bhi apaardh karta haito usko kai guna jyada dand milna chahiye ! ‘jaise ek singh[sher] ko vash me karne ke liye goli aag se dand dena hota hai aur bakri to ek dandi se ankush me aa jate hai !!
        A. Sir, aap bilkul theek keh rahe hai, lekin shayad aap ne vo nhi padha ki brahamn kitna bhi bada apradh kare use uski sampati dekarh sir mundwa kar desh se nikal do aur usi apradh ke liye shuder ki marityu dand do. Sir, Hinduo ne hamesha dogli chal chali hai Jis aadmi ko kanoon ka gyan nhi hota usko thgna aasan hai jaise AMIR KI BETI KA RAP HO JATA HAI TO POLICE RAP KI DHARA LAGATI HAI AUR SHUDER KI BETI KA HOTA HAI TO CHHEDCHHAD KI SIMPLE DHARA LAGA DETI HAI. 8-16-32-64 guna kewal dikhawa hai jab ki bada aadmi pehle bhi apradh ke bad bachta aaj thoda kam bacha pata hai. Kyoki pehle Ramayan geeta, ved , purano ke anusar nayay hota tha lekin jab se Dr.Ambedkar aur unka savidhan lago hua hai tab se AASHA RAM jaise bhi salakho ke peechhe hai.

        SIR, Islam aur British aane ke baad se shudro ki haalt mai abhut sudhar(Imprivement) hua hai, verna
        KHANDHER BATA RAHE HAI IMAARAT KITNI BULAND THI.

      • dono bate ek saath nahi ho sakti hai jo hamne manu ji ka sabut diya hai ! ya to usko galat kahiye aur jo ap sir mudane ki bat kar rahe hai vahraja ki manmarji bhi ho sakti hai agr manu smriti me likha hai to yah milavti baat hai 1
        agar ambedkar ji ke sanvidhanke anusar asharam bapu jel me hai to usi sa nvidhan ke samne shdro ko nyay bhi nahi mil pa raha hai kyoki dono chije ek saath ho rahi hai 1 fir aap dosh raja ki vyavstha ko de sakte hai n ki manusmriti ko ?

      • Q.dono bate ek saath nahi ho sakti hai jo hamne manu ji ka sabut diya hai ! ya to usko galat kahiye aur jo ap sir mudane ki bat kar rahe hai vahraja ki manmarji bhi ho sakti hai agr manu smriti me likha hai to yah milavti baat hai 1
        A.1. If a Shudra arrogantly presumes to preach religion to Brahmins, the king shall have poured burning oil in his mouth and ears.
        (Manu VIII. 272.)
        2. A Brahman may compel a Shudra, whether bought or unbought, to do servile work for he is created by the creator to be the slave of a Brahmana. (Manu VIII. 413.)
        3.. No Shudra should have property of his own, He should have nothing of his own. The existence of a wealthy Shudra is bad for the Brahmins. A Brahman may take possession of the goods of a Shudra. (ManuVIII-417 & X129)
        4.. Any country, where there are no Brahmins, of where they are not happy will get devastated and destroyed. (Manu VIII-20 to 22)
        5.. A Brahmin male by virtue of his birth becomes the first husband of all women in the universe. (Manu III. 14)
        6. Women are liers, corrupt, greedy, and unvirtuous. (Manu II 1)
        7. All women are born of sinful wombs. (Bhagavad-Gita IX 32)
        8. By a girl, by a young woman, or even by an aged one, nothing must be done independently, even in her own house.” (Manu IV. 147)
        Q.agar ambedkar ji ke sanvidhanke anusar asharam bapu jel me hai to usi sa nvidhan ke samne shdro ko nyay bhi nahi mil pa raha hai kyoki dono chije ek saath ho rahi hai 1 fir aap dosh raja ki vyavstha ko de sakte hai n ki manusmriti ko ?
        A.Sir, aap bilkul satya keh rahe hai lekin Jin hindu/Brahmin logo ki vichar dhara Manuwadi hai vaha par women aur shuder par atyachar hote hai. Shuder 25 DEc ko Manusamriti Dahan Diwas ke roop me 1927 se manate aa rahe jab Dr.Ambedkar ji ne pehli bar manusamritu jalai thi Maharastra me. AB AAP KE BACHANE KA EK RASTA HAI BOLOGE MILAWAT HAI . YAHI TO DOGLI NITI HAI HINDU BRAHMINO KI AGAR RAM MANDIR KE JAGAH SE BABRI MASZID TODI JA SAKTI HAI TO MILAWAT KYO NHI KHATAM KI JA SAKTI.

      • @Raj

        Ye Dalbir jo muhaamd ka follower hai aap ko aapka samay barbad kar raha hai. Ye muhmmad ka follower hai aur har gair muslim ko nicha dikhane ki kosis karega jaise ki iske guru muhammad ne kiya tha us par vishwas na karne walo par. Ab hame hi aapne desh ko pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran Afganistan, somaliya ban-ne se bachana hai. Dharm ki raksha ke inn jaise rakshasho ko unki bhasha me hi samjhana padega.

      • Q.Ye Dalbir jo muhaamd ka follower hai aap ko aapka samay barbad kar raha hai. Ye muhmmad ka follower hai aur har gair muslim ko nicha dikhane ki kosis karega jaise ki iske guru muhammad ne kiya tha us par vishwas na karne walo par. Ab hame hi aapne desh ko pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran Afganistan, somaliya ban-ne se bachana hai. Dharm ki raksha ke inn jaise rakshasho ko unki bhasha me hi samjhana padega.

        A: Shriman jee aap ka dherya jawab de chuka hai, aisa kewal aap ke sath nhi hua bahut vidwan is par charcha kar chuke hai aur aakhir me yahi keh kar peecccha chhudaya ki dharmik pustko me milawat hai. Jab aap babari maszid ko tod kar ram mandir bana sakte hai to dharmik pustko ki milawat ko khatam kayo nhi kar sakte. Jo kam karna chahiye vo to aap se hota nhi jo sari bimari ki jad hai. Aap ki dalilo par koi viswas nhi karega jo dharmik pustko me likha hai us par duniya viswas karti hai.

      • @Dalbir
        _________________ If a Shudra arrogantly presumes to preach religion to Brahmins____________

        The actual meaning of it vah vayakti jo kisi bachi se Ishwar ka adesh bataa kar sex karta hai, Kisi ki sampati loot-ta hai, aurto ko bandi banata hai use v uske followers par viswas mat karo aur Raja ka kartav hai unko dekhta hai goli maar do.

        ______________Brahman may compel a Shudra, whether bought or unbought_______________

        Muhammad also compelled the people ya to use prophet maan le aur kalima padhe ya bhi maout ke ghat utar diye jaye. Yaad karo quran ka great verse 9.5.

        ______________–No Shudra should have property of his own, He should have nothing of his own.__________

        Mayavati Aur jitan Ram manjhi ko karodo ki property tere baap muhammad ne di hai qya?

        ___________Women are liers, corrupt, greedy, and unvirtuous.________________

        Ye baap to tere baap muhammad ne kahi hai qyoke usne narak me sabse jyada sankhya aurto ki dekhi thi. Agar tere me dam hai to mujhe jhutha sabit kar de. Kabhi hadith bhi padha kar. Chal parmaan bhi le lo aur acchi tarah se check bhi kar le.

        Volume 7, Book 62, Number 124:
        Narrated Usama:
        The Prophet said, “I stood at the gate of Paradise and saw that the majority of the people who entered it were the poor, while the wealthy were stopped at the gate (for the accounts). But the companions of the Fire were ordered to be taken to the Fire. Then I stood at the gate of the Fire and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women.”

      • Q.The actual meaning of it vah vayakti jo kisi bachi se Ishwar ka adesh bataa kar sex karta hai, Kisi ki sampati loot-ta hai, aurto ko bandi banata hai use v uske followers par viswas mat karo aur Raja ka kartav hai unko dekhta hai goli maar do.
        A.Sir, Krishan ne raja bheesham ki beti, Brahama ne Sandhya, Surya ne kunti, Inder ne Ahilay, Vishnu ne Varinda, Varisshpati ne Manata, Vishwamiter ne menka, Prasher ne satyawati, Mandiro me devdasi ke roop me lakho kanyao ke sath dushkaram kiya kitne rajo ne goli mari aj desh me blatkariyo ki pooja hoti hai kay ye sab muhhamad the, nhi, Muhhamd ne inhi se sikha tha kyoki pehle ye aaye baad me muhhamad.
        Q.Mayavati Aur jitan Ram manjhi ko karodo ki property tere baap muhammad ne di hai qya?
        A. Sir, Aaj bharat Baba Saheb ke sawidhan se chalta hai, Manusamriti,Geeta, Ramayan se nhi. 1947 se pehle Mayawati aur Jitan Ram Manjhi ke pas kitene krod ki prioperty thi apne bajurgo se poochhha hai kabhi unke halat ke bare me. Ye sab British Govt. aur Savidhan ki den hai Hindu/Brahmino ya unki pustko ki nhi.
        Q.Ye baap to tere baap muhammad ne kahi hai qyoke usne narak me sabse jyada sankhya aurto ki dekhi thi. Agar tere me dam hai to mujhe jhutha sabit kar de. Kabhi hadith bhi padha kar. Chal parmaan bhi le lo aur acchi tarah se check bhi kar le.
        A.Sir, Unhone ye bat kaha se li, Ramayan se pehle Aashram Kanaya ke naam par aurton ka Rishi muniyo,hinduo khoob shoshan kiya, is ke pukhta parman aaj bhi south india ke mandiro me hai jaha Dev Dasi paratha ke roop me aurto ka shareerik shoshan hota hai, kaya vaha bhi muhammad sahib hai, bhai ye kam to ramayan se pehle se ho hota aa raha hai tab Muhhamad paida bhi nhi hua the or islam bhi nhi tha. Jo bate muhammad sahib ne ki vo lakhi versh pehle hindu dharm kar chuka tha saboot maujood hai, Ho sakta hai Muhammad sahib ne thoda bahut badlaw kar unhi bato ko follow kiya ho.

        DHARMIK PUSTKO KI SAFAI KO BHI SAWACHH BHARAT KA ANG BANAO, TABHI DESH TARAKKI KAREGA, YE KAM SABI KA HAI.

      • @Dalbir

        _______________DHARMIK PUSTKO KI SAFAI KO BHI SAWACHH BHARAT KA ANG BANAO, TABHI DESH TARAKKI KAREGA, YE KAM SABI KA HAI._______________

        PAHALI BAAR TUMNE 100 T-A-KE KI BAAT KAHI HAI. MAI ISS PAR PURI TARAH SAHMAT HU.

      • Q.PAHALI BAAR TUMNE 100 T-A-KE KI BAAT KAHI HAI. MAI ISS PAR PURI TARAH SAHMAT HU.

        A. Sir meri har bat 100 Take ki hai, basharte samne wali apni budhi ka sampooran or uchit paryog kare. Sir, mera aap se wada hai jaise aap ne meri bat ko sawikar kiya hai, theek usi tarah Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo unke devi devtao or dharmik pustako ko 100% gala sabit kar ke dikhaonga. Jis me aap bhi unko milawati or kalpnik bata kar 50% se jayda mera sath sath de rahe hai. Mai is ke liye Agniveer site or sabhi bhaiyo ka aabhari hoon.

  4. abdul ji @ buddh j ke gyan ke samne apke kalpit kurani allah nahi tik payenge! fir kalpit rasul muahamma d ji kaise tikenge ? jo kalpit allah sirf satve asman me ho
    sirf ek simit singhasan me baitha ho vah kaie gyani kaha ja skata hai hai
    vah kitna gyani hai uska sabut kuch kuran ki ayte batla deti hai jaise 2/54 jisme bachde ki puja karne valo ki hatya ke adesh milte hai
    8/65-66 jisme gair muslimo se jehad karne ko kaha hai aur kalpit kurani allah apne “dono hath” bhi batlata hai dekhe kuran38/75!
    aur buddh ji ne kabhi kisi hatya ki bat nahi karte hai
    vah daya ki bat karte hai aur unhone kisi ki hatya bhi nahi ki jabki muhamma d ji ne bahut se logo ki hatya ki aur karvayi bhi hai isiliye ap hi buddh ji ke shishy ban jaiye ! islam to mul ki bhul hai1

    • Q. abdul ji @ buddh j ke gyan ke samne apke kalpit kurani allah nahi tik payenge! fir kalpit rasul muahamma d ji kaise tikenge ? jo kalpit allah sirf satve asman me ho
      sirf ek simit singhasan me baitha ho vah kaie gyani kaha ja skata hai hai
      vah kitna gyani hai uska sabut kuch kuran ki ayte batla deti hai jaise 2/54 jisme bachde ki puja karne valo ki hatya ke adesh milte hai
      A; Sir, mere charcha ka vishaya islam aur bodh nhi hai koi kisi ke samne tike ya na tike is se kisi ko koi farq nhi padta, Kon kitan gyani hai kitna nhi is se aap aur mere ko koi faraw nhi padta, agar aap muslim aur bodh nhi hai to aur na hi mere ko farq pdta hai. Aap ne 2/54 me jo hatya ki bat ki hai vo mere ko mallom nhi lekin mai fir bhi man leta hoon. Lekin Hindu/Brahmin/Arya dharam ki Manusamriti me likha hai ki yadi koi shuder ( Yahi Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ki sewa karne wala) Ved sun leta hai to uske kan me sheesha pighla kar dal do, Agar manter ucharan karta hai uski Chiwah (Tung) kat do, Hindu/Brahmin se jayada yogya ho jaye to shambuk ki tarha hatya kar do, Eklayva ke tarah Hindu/Brahmin se shresth ho jaye to uske angootha kat lo aur bol do ki yahi dharam ko sthapna hai. Parshuram ne karan ke sath dhokha kiya. Musalmani ne to kewal Gair muslim ki hatya ki lekin Hindu/Brahmino/Arya ne to unki ki hatya ki jo unki sewa me din rat khade rehte the, Bolo Kon sharesth hai.
      Q.8/65-66 jisme gair muslimo se jehad karne ko kaha hai aur kalpit kurani allah apne “dono hath” bhi batlata hai dekhe kuran38/75!
      vah daya ki bat karte hai aur unhone kisi ki hatya bhi nahi ki jabki muhamma d ji ne bahut se logo ki hatya ki .
      A. Sir, mai aap ki bat man leta hoon ki kuran kalpit hai, aap ne 65-66, 38/75 ka example de diya.Lekin Hindu/Brahmin ki MANUSAMRIT to us se bhi khatarnak hai jis me agar shuder hindu banne ki koshish bhi kare to uske ang bhag kar do ya mar do. Tabi to 25 Dec. ko 1927 se Manusamriti Dahan Diwas ke roop me manate hai.Bodh ne htya nhi ki lekin Hibduo ne bodho ki htya jarur ki hai.

  5. dalbir ji @ shudr bhi 4 varno me ate hai ! vah bhi hindu hai yah baat jarur haiki gramo me savarn hindu atychaar bhi karte hai! batlaiye jabafgan me bauddh the to vah muslim ka mukabla kyo nahi kar paye ! thailaind bhi varm aadi me bhibahut se bauddh hai v u desho me tarakki kyo nahi ho payi ? cheen me bhi tarakki 1990 ke bd hyi hai jabki bauddh bahut pahale se the 1 tibbaat baudhd log ajad kyo nahi karva pate jabki chin me baudh bhi hai !

  6. dalbir ji @ aapki yah baat thik hai ki madhy pradesh ke kisi gram me dalit logo ko ganda pani pine ko majbur kiya ja raha hai aur savarn samaj ke log uska virodh nahi karate hai aur jo hindu hitaishi sansthaye hai vah bhi us jagah nahi jati aur vivad ka hal bhi nahi karti hai ab iska ilaj pulis karsaktihadalito ki bhid ek jut hokar police ke paas jaye au r samasya ka hal kare jo doshi ho unko jel bhi bheje ! dubhagy se jo samaj me samanta ki bat karte vah bahut kamjor hai isiye dalto ko bhi kasht jhelna hota hai ! agar mayavati jin is atarahke gramo kevishay me m p ke mukhy mantri se baatkare to phone se hi vah samsya ka hal karva sakti hai
    sarkaar bhi tabhi jhukti haij ab dusara paksh takatvar ho!!

    • Shrimaan Ji agar doosra paksh taqawar hota to itni naubat hi nhi aati, Kbhi ek brahman ne doosre brahman ka shoshak kiya, nhi, Baat to Kamjor aur taqtwar ki hai. Aap ke kehne ka maltab hai ki Hindu Dharam me manvta naam ki cheez hai hi nhi. Yani aap ke hisab Gajni, Gauri, Baber, Aurngjeb, Changej Khan aur Angrejo ne bharat me jo kiya veh uchit kiya. Kyoki jo Sthiti aaj MP ke gaon ke shudro ki hai vo kabhi Bhartiyo ki thi. Dhnayavad Sir,

    • Q.Sarkaar bhi tabhi jhukti haij ab dusara paksh takatvar ho!!
      A.Sir, Hindu/Brahmin/Arya to Shuro ka paksh taqatwer kar nhi sakte, agar shuder apna paksh taqtwer karne ke liye Islam ya Christian banta hai to bhi Hindu/Brahmin/Arya aur hindu santhan banane nhi dete. Shuder ke pass ek adhikar hai vo hai vote, Usko bhi vo ya to mar peet kar le lete hai, ya vote dalne jane hi nhi dete, ya uski vote pehli hi Hindu/Brahmin/Arya dhikariyo se mil kar dal jate hai, Adhikari fir shudro ki sunete nhi jaise aap keh rahe hai kyoki vo taqat ver nhi hai, Shayad unke liye to Ishwer Bhagwan bh nhi hai usko bhi Hindu/Brahmin/Arya swa-swa ruppe me kharid lete hai. Badi vikat Sishti hai Sir, Ya ni shuudro ko to har hal me marna hai chahe Hindu/Brahmin/Arya mare ya fir koi aur, Fir shuder bahri aakrmankariyon se darne ki jaroorat nhi. Vo chahe kabhi bhi aa jaye.

      Thank you Sir.

      • aaj bhi dalit vot apni marji se dete hai aap jo na baatkar areh hai vah 30 saal pahale kibate hai agar dalito ko vot daln e ka adhikaar nahihi hota ya vah apni marji se vot nahi dal pate to bahan mayavati ji apane bal par satta menahi a pati 1
        paahle naam s evot daale jate the
        ab photo dikhlakar vot dale jate hai
        isliye ab dhandhagardi bahut kam ho pati hai !

      • A: Sir,App sahi keha rahe hai, Abhi kewal ye jagrukta 10-20% logo me hai, Dehat me aaj bhi 90% log khetihar mazdoor hai, aap unko bhool rahe hai, Garib aur unpadh Dalito ko 1-1 vote capture ki jati hai kewal Zamidar log jaha kehta hai vote usi ko jati hai aur ye unki mazbbori hai kyonki aggar vote nhi di to unki mazdoori /chulha band, bhookhe marne ke ke dar se ye sab hota hai, agar aise nhi mante to ranjish hone ke karan gaon me rehna mushkil ho jata hai. Ye to unpadh aru mazdoor dehat me rehne wale ki baat hai. Abhi ke taza halat hai ek Dalit Professor jo ki LLB, LLM hai aur Punjabi University me karyarat hai. Uska itna shishan ho raha hai ki sucide tak ki naubat aa sakti thi, vo sabi se behatar kam karta hai, us se jayada kam liya jata hai, Staff room me baithene ke liye aur professors ki tarah table chair nhi di jati kyonki vo Chamar jati kka hai, Doosre logo ko dar hai ki kahi hum ne isse peechhe nho roka to kal ko ye hamare rozgar par bhari na pad jaye. Ab eklayva ke tarah angootha to kat nhi sakte, isliye usko physically aur mentally torture kiya ja raha hai. Jab padhe likhe Law graduate ke sath aise ho raha hai aur Vo MODI TO T WITE KAR KE BAITHNE KE LIYE CHAIR AUR TABLE MANG RAHA HAI aur koi bhi Hindu sagthan RSS/BJP/Bajrang Dal/ Shiv Sena/Arya Samaj koi bhi samaj me is burai ke khilaf aawaj utha raha hai, Pehowa haryana me ek brahmin mandir me loud speaker baza kar noise pollution faila raha tha jis se students aur old age kafi preshan the bar bar kehne par vo nhi ruka to logo ki uske sath kaha suni ho gayi aur inti si baat ke liye sabhi Hindu Sanghtan Hindu/Brahmin ki favour me aa gaye, jaki vo galat tha. Jabki Professor ke sath koi nhi karan ki vo Chamar jati ka hai. Pehle IIT Madras me Dalit sangthan par Modi/Samrit Irani ka ban karna ab Professor s ko preshan karna sabit karta hai Shudro ke badhte Verchasaw se Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo me bokhlahat paida ho gayi hai. Daronachary ki tarah Angootha to le nhi sakte isliye naye tarike khoj rahe hai.

  7. jab dhobi ki alochna ramji ke paas ja sakti thi to kisi shambuk ke samarthak ki avaj raam ji ke paas kyo nahi ja skati thi ? raam ji ne lokaachar ke kary ke liye apni patni ji ka bhi tyag kiya tha tab vah galti hone par aamjanata se mafi bhi mang sakte the 1

    • Q.jab dhobi ki alochna ramji ke paas ja sakti thi to kisi shambuk ke samarthak ki avaj raam ji ke paas kyo nahi ja skati thi ?
      A. Ak Hindu/Brahmin/Arya ke puter ki alap aayu me marityu ho gayi, Vo ram ke pass gaya mre puter ki alp aayu me maritu hui, jaroor koi shuder bhakti kar raha hai, ram brahmani ke sath gay aur shambuk bhakti karte hua paya gaya aur brahmano ne puter ki marityu ka doshi shambuk ko bana diya aur ram ko rajya par aapti aane jaisi shitithi de dra kar shabmhuk ki katya karne ke liye uksaya aur ram ke shambuk ki htya kar di, Jab Raja or sabhi brahman/Hindu hi htyare ke sath ho to faryadi kis ke pass jayega. Haan Agar Raja Dashrath hote to koi na koi unke pass jata ya jane ka paryas karta.

  8. adrniy shri dalbir ji , hamare anuman s e sahmbuk vadh ek kalpit baat hai vah uttrakand me hai jo baad me jodi gayi lagti hai ! kyoki apna desh hajar sal tak gulambhi raha hai sambhav hai ki tabke shasko ne grantho me milavat kar di ho! aap valmikiramayan ko dekhiye ki usme kya likha hai fir bhi agar vah saty bhi ho to raam raja the unhone us samay ki samajik sthiti ke anusaar ya us samay kekanun ke anusar dandit kiya haiga aaj bh apne desh me 68 saal ki aajadi ke bavjud angrejo ka hi kanun chal raha hai ek draivar kisi ki gadi se hatya kar de to usko saja sirf kuch maheene ki milti hai ! raja to bahut kuch kar sakta hai maf bhi kar sakta hai aur saja bhi de sakta hai jaran m s ne sita chod to vah kuch bhi kar sakte the !
    aaj jo dalito ke saath galat vyavahaar ho rahahai vah ramayanki buniyad me nahi hota shambuk vahd ke karan nahi hota
    kya is desh me inkaoontar poilce nahi karti ? kya iskeliye ambedkar ji dvara banaye huye deshke sanvidhan ko dosh denge ? sena aagr kisi ko jan se mar deto kya sena ka bachav sarkaar nahi karti ?
    harijan naam bhi gandhi ji ne diya tha !
    is baatkakya sabut hai ki rake rajy se poajahle ya baad me mandir thhe ya dalit mahilao ka shoshasan ashramio mehota hai bagair sabutke baatkyo ki jayw aaj jarur karnatak ke kuch mandiro me mahilao ke saath atayachar hota hai usko band hona chahiye!

    • Sir,App ke pass 100 rupee ka nakli note hai, aur dukandar ne apko galti se, jaldbazi me ya aap ka acchha chariter dekh kar uske badle 100 rupee ka saman de diya, to aap ko to us nakli note ki kimat sali mil gayi na. App ka kam ho gaya ab dukandar jane ya uska kam. Ramayan nakli thi ya muilawat thi kay farq padta hai. Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ne us shambuk vadh ko asli tha ya nakliya lekin vo kam to asli kar gaya, Shambuk vidwan tha Gyanwan tha, Ram se unke murder ki kahani banakar shudro ke liye shiksha ke raste hamesha ke liye band kar diye. Yahi kissa fir Krishan ke sal me Daronacharya aur Eklavya ke roop me dohraya gaya, Fir dobara yahi kissa Karan aur Parsuram ke roop me dohraya gaya. Kahani asli thi ya nakli koi farq nhi padta lekin kam asli kar gayi yani shudro ke shikasha ke raste hamesah ke liye band taaki upper ke teeno verno to free me kam karne ke liye bandhua mazdoor milte rahe.
      Sir, Angrejo ka kanoon hota to Bhart garv mehsoos karta, unke kanoon me bhedbhaw nhi,vo nyay karte samay vern or jati nhi dekhte jaise Kejriwal ki relly me GajenderJAT ne aatmhatya ki to sabhi partiyo ne kul 21 lakh rupee ki help ki shuder ki hatya per kewal rulling party 2 lakh rupee ki help karti hai, dekha farq, agar angrej hote to ya to dono ko 2-2 lakh milte ya 21-21 lakh milte kyoki unke liye sab saman hai.
      Opper ke teeno verno ne shudro ka har tarah se shoshan kiya, Harijan ka meaning Hari+jan yani Ishwer ke log, agar iska sahi matlab yahi hota to Sabhi Hindu/Brahmin/Arya apne naam ke sath Harijan lagane me garv mehsoos karte, koi bhi sharma, bhadwaj, kaushik nhi likhta . Mahatma Gandhi bhi vaish tha usne apne naam ke sath Gandhi ki jagah hari jan kyon nhi likha.
      Nehru,Gandhi, Patel, agar shudro ko baba saheb ke anusar thodi thodi zameen de dete to to kabhi reservation na hoti. lekin un tino ki gandi socha thi ki fir hame free ke bandhua mazdoor kaha se milenge.
      IIT Madras me jo dalit santhan par ban lgaya hai vo shudro ke badti taqt ko rokne ka thos saboot hai.

      • adarniy sri dalbir ji nakli aur asli me kafi anatar hota hai ! jab ek ” dhobi ” vahapni patni ji ko apeghar me kuch kahatahai aur ram ko dosh det neka havaal detahai to raanmji apni priypatni ka tyag lokaachaar le ke liye kar dete hai aur dusra viavh bhi nahi karte jabki unke pita ji dashratah ji ne ek saath tin vivah karachuke the yani unke parivar ki parampara bhi thi
        vahi raam ji samaj ke paratikul shambuk ki hatya kyo karenge ? kisi ” dalit rupi dhbi” ne is anyaya ke viruddh avaj kyo nahi uthayi kam se kam raamji iske liye mafi to mang hi sakte the ! isliyelagta hai ki yahgahtnanahi huyi mugalo ke jamane me aisi kahani daal di ggayai 1
        jo raam apni priypatni ko isliye chod sakta hai ki ek dhobi eabsnto parkat kiya th to vahi raam ma fi bhi mang sakta tha, galti to kisi se bhi ho sakti hai ! ravi daas ji sant kaise ho gaye kisi savarn samaj ne unka virodh kyo nahi kiya ? valmiki ji bhi savarn nahi the vah kaise raamji ke liye ramayan likhne lage unhone bhi sambuk hatya ka virodh kyo nahi kiya ? raam neto hatya raavan ki bhi ki thi jabki vah brahaman bhi tha ! aur usi raavan ka bhaai brahaman vibhishan raamj ji ki sahaayta karne ke liye raavan ka bhed bhi diya tha 1 iskebaad bhaaj ke brahmanraam ki puankarte hai aur brahman ki hatya ke jurm me kuch nahi kahate hai aisa bhi kyo ? vah raam ke putale har saal kyo nahi funkate jarur raamji ka yah nyay hoga !

      • Sir, Asli aur nakli me anter hota hai, shambuk ne gayn prapat kiya, Hindu/Brahmin ko manjoor nhi ki shuder unke braber aa jayega, so shudro ke shikhsa ke dwar sajis ke tahat band kar diye aur aisa hi hua. Eklavya ne kaya kasoor kiya tha Arjunko shresth banane ke liye angootha le liya. Jab Eklyava shiksha ke liye aaya to droncharya aur pandvo ne uska uphas kar bhga diya.
        Agar Dashrath ke pehli patni se santan prapat ho jati to kabhi bhi dashrath dobrab vivah karta. Uski mazboori thi.
        Sir, mai bhi vahi keh raha hoon, jaise ram shambuk ki hatya nhi kar sakta viase hi rawan sita ka apharan nhi kar sakta, jabki rawan ne to aurato ki hindu rishi munio se raksha ki thi. Jo aadmi aurto ki raksha kar sakta hai vo apharan kayon karega. Agar shambuk ka koi kasoor tha isliye hatya ki to nishchit hi ram ne bhi koi kasoor kiya hoga jo sita ka apharan kiya.
        Hindu/Brahmin vern vayvstha aur jatiwad ke sahare shudro par atyachar to kar skte hai lekin muglo ne jo milawat ki usko khatam nhi kar sakte jante hua bhi gadhe ki tarah dho rahe hai. Sir, apni galtiyo ko muglo par mat dalo, unko pehle sawikar karo fir sudharo. Sir, Muglo ke bad angrej aaye, fir bhi Hindu/Brahmino ne shudro ko bandhua gulam mazdoor banaye rakha, shoshan karte rahe kyo nhi sudhari ramayan geeta ki galtiyan. Ya to ye galtiyan hakiqat hai, ya inse hindu brahmino ko bahut bada fayada mil raha tha jis ke karan inko suhdarana desh ke hit me tha lekin brahmani ke liye nuksan tha isliye nhi sudhari gayi.
        Ravi dass ji ka brahmano ne ghor virodh kiya aur khud karwaya bhi, Kitne brahmanio ko jante ho jinshone ravi dass ji se deeksha li, kitne hinduo ke mandir hai jis me ravidas ji ki moorti hai, Meera bai ne ravi dass ji se deeksha li uski hatya ki har kosis hui, kaid kiya, vish pilya, kyoki veh ravi dass ji ki bhgat thi, aise me socho ravidass ji par kitne atyachar kiye honge brahmano ne.
        Sir mere sath jo bhi discussion karo Logically karo pakshpat wali nhi.

      • hamne pucha tha ki ravi das ji sant kaise ho gaye ? sant honeek pahale unki hatya kyo nahi hui / valmiki ji ramayan likhne ka sahas kaise kar paye unki ki ramayan brahamano adi ne kyo padhi aaj bhi vah valmikiramayan many kyo hai usi ka sabut diyajata hai ! aaj bhi geeta prass valmiki ramayan chapta hai 1 tulsi daas ji adi ne bh valmiki ramayan ko buniyad banakar hi asan bhasha me ram charit mans banaya 1 valmiki ramaya abtak nasht kyo nahi ki gayi 1 ambedkarji bhi itne vidvan n ho pate agar savarno ne unko sahayog n diya hota ! mira baai krishn ki bhagat thi ravi daas ji se diksha li hogi ! ravi daas ji ko bhi savarn krishn achhe lage honge tabhi unhone mira baai k diksha di hogi ! mira ji paraatyachaar isliyehua ki unhone vivah nahikiya ya vivah sabandh nahi nibaya vah krishn ko hi apnapati manti ti ravi daas jiki cheli hone ke karan nahi !!
        aapne is bat ka javab nahi diya ki agar shambuk vadh hua tha to kiisi “dhobi ki tarah ” dalit ne uska virodh kyo nahikiya?

      • Q.aapne is bat ka javab nahi diya ki agar shambuk vadh hua tha to kiisi “dhobi ki tarah ” dalit ne uska virodh kyo nahikiya?
        A. Jab Raja hi khud Hatyara ho jayega to faryadi , fariyad ya virodh kis ke samen karega. Doosra shudro aur auraton par atyachar ram ke saky se hote aa rahe hai fir sal me 2 bar knyapoojan ko dhong kyo karte hai. Hindu dharam me atycharo ki pratha purani hai, Unch neecha, bhed bhaw purani parampara hai. Yahi karan hai ki hum China aur Japan se bahut pichhad gaye hai .

      • @Dalbir
        ________________Sir, Asli aur nakli me anter hota hai, shambuk ne gayn prapat kiya______________

        Ravan bhi ek Brahmin tha usne bhi gyan prapt kiya, ram ne uska bhi vadh kar diya tha. Parantu Ram ne Muhammad ki tarah Ravan ya any kisi ki Sampati nahi looti aur na hi unki patniyo ko muhmaad ki tarah apna sex gulam banaya. To Ram aur Muhammad me koun shresth hai?

      • Shrrman ji, aap do kishtiyon me sawar mat raho, Aap pakke Hindu ho jo samay ke sath rang badal lete ho, Jis Rawan ki aap baat karte ho Vo janam ka brahman hai karam ka nhi aap pehle clear karo Karam vayvstha me vishwas rakhte ho ya Janam me. Doosra aap mudde se hat kar Islam ke sath comparson karte ho hum mudde ke sath. Muhammad aur ram ki tulna 2 agalg mudde, Ram ke samay me Islam nhi tha fir aap baar baar kayon bhatak jate ho. Sugreev bina bali ki marityu ki pusti kiye khud raja ban gaya, usne bade bhai ki jara bhi intezar nhi kiya ki mrityu bali ki hui hai yar rakshash ki. Sugreev ko Bali ke puter Angad ko raja banana chahiye tha aur khud uski help karni chahiye thi yahi niti hai. Kaya ram ko iska gyan nhi tha ki sugreev ke bali ke sath dhokha kiya hai galat fahmi ka shikar hai, Aise vaqt me hi maryada ki priksha hoti, Kya Ram ko gyat nhi tha ki raja ka puter jeewit hone par bhai kaise raja ban sakta hai. Agar pute kam umar ka ho to bhi wahi banta hai sugreev ko uska rajnaitik salakar banna chahiye tha. Ram ne yaha maryada nhi kewal apna swarth dekha ki meri help ho rahi. Kay balo ko mar kar ram ne maryada ka murder nhi kiya. Yahi Shresthata thi ram ki.

      • @DALBIR,

        Qya baat tumhe muhmmad ka jikar karne par mirchi qyo lagati hai? Kahi tum bhi us shaitan ko apna adarsh to nahi maan baithe? Agar Aesa hai to qya baat tumahara naam nahi badla. Qyoki Dalbir to ek sanskrit word hai. Muslamaan Jisko Muhammad ka gulam banate hai Uska naam bhi badal dete hai koi Arbi naam dekar takhi uske parvar ki Aage ki pidhiya apne aapko hamesha se muhammad ka follower samjhe. Agar vah bhartiya bhasha me naam rakhega to use lagega wo bhi ek din Hindu tha.

        Tul Kalima kon see bhasha me padhte ho? Qya kabhi Haz par Gaye Ho? Kale pather ko chooma tha? Masjid ke choro aur chakker lagaye the? Tum Sunni ho ya Siya ya Ahamdiya. Agar Siya Ya Ahamdiya ho to pakistan, ISIS se bach kar rahna. Vaha par Siya ko Muslaman khule aam goli mar dete hai. Bharat me kam se kam Shudra, Brahman ke naam par goliya to nahi chalti hai.

      • Q. Qya baat tumhe muhmmad ka jikar karne par mirchi qyo lagati hai? Kahi tum bhi us shaitan ko apna adarsh to nahi maan baithe?
        A. Sir, mai islam ki ABC bhi nhi janta, muhammad sahib ka zikar aap ne shuru kiya, sir, and Muhammad Sahib ram ke samkalin hote to dono ko mila kar charcha karna uchit hota, Fir bhi Shriamn ji mai aap ko iska jawab jaroor doonga, Sir, Muhammad Sahib ne jitne Galat kam aap me hisab se kiye unki list bhej do mai aap ki sabhi samsyao ka nivaran kar doonga.

        Q.Agar Siya Ya Ahamdiya ho to pakistan, ISIS se bach kar rahna. Vaha par Siya ko Muslaman khule aam goli mar dete hai.
        A.Sir, waha par Siya or suni ka jhagda hai, par bharat me to Hindu/Brahmin/Arya unhi shudro ko mar dete hai jin ke bajurgo ke unke bajurgo ki sewa ki, Birha ke jahanbad me Ranbir Sena ne 60-65 shudro ka samuhik narsanhar kewal isliye kiya tha kyoki shudro ne bina mazdoori ke kam karne se mna kar diya tha. Abhi ka taza vakya hai M.P. me shudro ko Hindu/Brahmin/Arya sarkari hand pump se pani lene ko mna karte hai, mar peet karte hai shuder ganda pani peene ko mazboor hai. Unki manda ke liye koi Hindu/Brahmin/Arya aage aaya, Nhi Jo Hindu/Arya/Brahmin shudro ke liye peene ke pani ki vayvstha nhi karwa sakte wo YGOPAVIT SANSKAR kya karwayege. Agar Shuder Hindu hote to RSS/VHP/BAJRANG DAL/SHIV SENA sab help ke liye aage aate. Mai poore ek saptah unke beech raha koi bhi nhi pahucha aur na hi kisi ne Hinduo/Brahmino/Arayo jinhone pani lene se mna kiya unke khilaf ak bhi shabd bola. Kyoki bharat me shuder ko kabhi hindu mana hi nhi.

      • @Dalbir

        Bhai Pahle tum Yagopavit dharan karo aur ye sanklap lo aaj se mera jivan kewal manushya matra ke kalyan ke liye hoga, Jitana jaruri hoga sharir ke liye utna hi khaunga, Brahmcharya ka palan karunga, patni ke paas kewal santaan utpati ke liye hi jaunga, mos masti ke liye nahi, Prai aurat ko mata ki drishti se dekhunga, Subah 4 Baje uthunga varjis karuna, dhyan karunga, jaha tak ho sake jhuth ka tyag karunga, jibh / tongue par sayam rakhunga, Aavshaykta hone par hi bolunga, Apne aapn ko jaha tak sambhav ho sake hinsa de dur rakhunga, Maas aadi ka tyag krunga, Kosis karunga krodh na aaye, Alashya ka tyag karunga hamesh purusharth ke liye taptar rahunga.
        Ek baar tume ye yagopavit dharn karo sabhi batte samajh me aane lagengi.
        Baaki me tumhare parshano ka uttar deta rahunga. Lekin jab upper likhi baato ka palan nahi karunga man pavitra nahi hoga aur kuch samajh me nahi ayega.

  9. adarniy sri dalbir ji ,aap batlaiyeki aj ki halat me ap ki janmanajati kya hai?
    kis parivar me apka janm hua hai?
    ap apne naam ke saath singh kyo likhte hai ? bahut paahle kshatriy log likhte teh abaap ekkaamaurkijiye jitne bhu dalit bandhi haiaurpichdi jati ke hi]/[ obc] vah sabhi jat ki tarah chaudhari chran singh ji ki tarah sikkho ki tarah singh likhana chalu kar de baad me samaj yah samajh hi nahi payega ki kaun dalit hai ! saath mesabhi daliytvgramchod de nagro meabs jaye aur chota mota vyapar chalu kar de tab bhi jativadi julmkafi kaho jayenge !

    • Shriman ji aap ne bilkul theek kaha, pehle singh word Akshtriya pryog karte the an singh ka paryog koi bhi kar sakta hai lekin kaha. Jaha Kattar Brahmin/Hindu rehte hai waha par nhi jaha par Hindu kamjor hai ya jaha par log Hindustav ko na ke baraber mante hai. Bihar aur UP ke Dehat me koi dalit apne naam ke sath singh nhi likh sakta chahe wah Akshtriyo se bhi balwan ho. Doosra ye azadi shuhdro ko kis ne di, pehle Islam ne fir British sarkar ne inske aane se pehle Singh kewal Akstryiya hi use karta tha. Sikho me unity karne ke liye sab ko allow kar diya tha lekin waha aaj bhi Shuder Mahjabi sikh ke naam se jana jata hai aur unke Surname bhi alag hai. Lekin Brahman/Arya logo ne hamesa hinduo me phoot dalo raj karo ki niti apnai aur baad me desh ko gulam karwa diya. Unhone sikho aur Bodh ke tarah lesh matar bhi sabhi ko ek jut hone diya. Is se bada budhihinta ka parman nhi hai.
      Sir, Islam se pehle aur bad me abhut log aaye jinhone samay samay par hum par raj kiya. Unke aane se sudro ka jo bhalla hua vo Hindu/Brahmin kabhi nhi kar sakte the. Islam aur Britishers ne shehro (Cities) hindutav ka aur uski buraio ka 90% tak khama kar hi diya. Lekin jo 10% bacha hua hai wo vikral roop le raha hai. Kyoki Hindu/Brahmin/Arya kabhi nhi chahta ki Vern aur jati system khatam ho. App kehte hai Nagro me chale jao, Chhota mota dhanda karo, aap apne surname bhi change kar sakte ho jaisa aap ne likha. Sir aap satya keh rahe hai. Aap ke kehne ka matlab banta hai shudro Hindu/Hindutav to chhod do, verna ye tumhe kabhi nhi chhodega. Sir, Hame to ummed thi ki abhut budhiman, Rehamdil, sab ko brabar samjhane wale log hai Hindu/Brahmin/Arya lekin yaha to vo hi Dhak ke 3 pat. Hinduo se koi umed na karo apna bhala aap karo ye shudra ka kuchh chhin beshak le lekin denge nhi. Sir, Hindutav ka tyag kar ke, gaon chood kar, Naam badal kar, Surname bahadal kar hi azadi mil sakti hai. Agar ye nhi kar sakte to Hinduo/Bramin/Arya ki gulami karo jaise aaj bhi Dehat me hai.Dhanyawad Sir

  10. Sir, Hindu/Brahmin/Akshtriya/Viash/Arya Samaji shudra ke bahi bhla bhi chata aur na kar sakta. Savidhan ke tehat Resevation mai naukari inki mazboori hai, aur us me SC/ST/OBC ke sath dhokha ho raha hai Haryana me 36000 back log hai cnadidate available hai lekin niyat theek nhi. Hinduo/Brahmani ne hamesha se shudra ka shoshan kiya hai chahe vo ram tha ya karishan. Inshone Hazaro saal tak reservation ka fayda uthaya Shambuk aur Eklavya inki reservation ka shikar hua tab kya koi budhiman brahman/hindu/Arya samaji Akshrya nhi tha jo is anyan ke khilf bolta lekin sab ko samp sungh gya tha aur vahi aaj samja me merit ki baat kis muuh se karte hai abhi reservation to 65 saal hua hai aur us me bhi dhokha ho raha kyoki imandari agar dene wale ke khoon me na ho to imnadari ki baat karna bemani hogi. Sir, mera swal abhi bhi wahi bana hua hai, HATTHI KE DANT KHANE KE AUR DIKHANE KE AUR.

    • paraadarniy sri dalbir ji ! isme koi shak nahi hai azadike baad is desh ko barbad karne me neta afasr aur any” takatvar” ka hi haath raha hai 1 usme kuch dalit bandhu bhi jarur ho sakte hai [ jo neta afsar ban gaye hai ] ramayan me uttra kand nahi tha yah baad me joda gaya hai
      is tarah se isme likhit bahut si kahaniya juthi bhi ho sakti hai
      aisa hi haal mahaabaharat ka bhi hu a hai
      ham yah nai kahate hi ki shambuk vadh nahi hua hoga ya eklavy ki kahani galat hogi !
      hamari to in kitabo ko padhne ki bhi ruchi bahut kam hai !!
      shayad aapne manusmriti padhi nahi hogi suni sunaai baat ap kar rahe hai
      ! aj ki m ilavti manusmriti me bhi brahaman ,raja, kshatriy ko jyada [ kai guna ] danad dene ki baat likhi huyi
      jab aisa likha haito vah shudro ko jayda dand deneki bat kyo likhega ! abaisa kyo likah uska karanyahbatha jo samaj mek jyada buddhian ho aur raja ho vah hi agar galat kamkare to unki kai guna dand milna chahiye1 ary samaj sirf140 saal paahle baana hai isliye uske dosh bhi bahut kam honge ! ary samaj kemadhyamse bahut se kamisamajik buraiyo ke viruddh sangharsh bhi kiye ja sakte hai ! jo apen ko dalit neta kahatethe vah bhi satat emaneke baad koi vishesh kary nahi karsaje jaise jagjivan raam ji , u.p. ke babau mangalapa rshad ji , bahan mayavati ji 4 baar u.p. ki mukhymantri bani vah ko dallit samaj ka kayakalp nahi kar saki ! apne bahujan smajparti ka any rajyo mejyada vistar bhi nahi kar saki ! kulmilakar jo takatvar hota jata hai vah sirf apna parivar dost ka hi bhala karta hai baki ka nahi !savarn samaj me kuch achhe vyakti bhi the jaise badoda ke naresh ji ne ambedkar ji ko bitren mepadheka kharchuthya tabhi ambedkar ji baar et la ki upadhi paye the ! ek brahaman kanya n e ambedkar ji se viah bhi kiya tha aur aisa hi jagjivar ramji ki patnirukmani ji bh jnmjaat braha parivar se thi unhonekoi prem vivah nahikiya thbalki parivar valo ki sahamati se huya tha jo aaj mirakumar ji ki mata thi ,

      • Sir, Aap theek kehte hai, Lekin corruption ki shuruwat to Hindu/Brahmin/Aryan Samaj se hui hai shudro se nhi bad me uska asar in par hona swabhavik hai kichad mai ghusne se chhinte to lagte hi hai lekin corruption ka shubhaarambh aur parchar parsar Hindu/Brahmin aur Arya Samajio ke den hai is bat ko koi bhi nakar nhi sakta. Uksa asar samaj par jaroor padega. Lekin hum ne dekha hai shuder corruption me shayad hi bachega lekin baki mil mila kar khila pila kar bach jate hai. Doosri baat milawat hai ishwer bhi nakli, Ram Ramayan, Geeta krishan puran sab nakli yani milkawat hai lekin samaj inhi ke anusar chal raha hai vedo me gyan hai bhi ya nhi koi nhi janta wi to unhi ke ander tak simit hai agar un me gyan hota to uska parkash milawat ko khatam kar deta jab ki vedo apne aap khatam ho gaye kewal nakli cheezo ka smarajya hai aap bhi dekh rahe hai mai bhi. Ved aur aryna samaj bhi champk, chacha chaudhary ki kahaniyo ki tarah tha jo ab khtam ho chuka hai sirf baten hi baten hai. Lagta hai bharat ki vidwan andhe gunge aur behre hai jab milawat ho rahi thi to kaya kar rahe the sab drame baaz hai jab sachai pakdi jati hai to kehte hai ye to dharam ke khilaf sajis hai kyonki is ke ilawa bachane ka koi rasta hai hi nhi. Mayawati bahut kucch kar sakti thi , hai aur karegi. CM bante hi pehle Rajju Bhayi ki thoka jail me aur ab wo hi jail mantri hai. Neeche ka sara administration to Hindu/Brahmin ke hath me hai jo milawat wale ko mante hai. Kitne brahman hai jo Baba Saheb ko Damad manne mai ijjat aur faqar mehsoos karte hai, Ambedakr jauati par Political brahmin vote bank ke chakar me aata hai iske ilawa koi nhi. Jagjiwan ram ji ki putri ke wiwah ke peeche sirf sampti thi Jagjiwan ram ji ki zameen par 4 railway station lagte the. Ye milawati pustake aur inske nakli paatar bhi samaj me burai hai. Hum aap ki nakli baat se sehamat tab honge jis din in nakli pustko aur unke matro ka rawan ki tarah dahan kiya jayega air har varsh dahan festiwal ke roop me manaya jayega.

      • adarniy dalbir ji ravan ki tarah dahan aap kyo nahi kar lete? arsta baanaiye aur log bhi jud sakte hai ! yaad rakhiye vah milavat ho ya andh vishvas hi koi bhi gyan ho uska dahan karne se vag samapt nahi hotabalki vichar parivaratan karvana padta hai!
        ary samaj kabhi satta me nahi tha isliye vah dosh ke kabil bahut kam hai !
        jab mayavati ji mukhy mantri thi tab unhone bharsht brahaaman adhikariyo ko naukri se nikala kyo nahi diya aaj bhi unke saaath ek brahman satish mishra ji jude huey hai unko rajy sabaha me bhi bhejti hai ! samaj mejo bure gai unke viruddh ek sanghatahan banaiye aur unke viruddh andolan kijiye unka bhishkaar kijiye aur sarkaro ko bhi badhy kijiyeki vah bharsht netao aur ahikariyo ko jel bhej de ! gita ved ramayan manusmriti jalane ka karykaram bhi soch sakte hai kuch kijiye to, ya to jel mileggi y aap vikhyat honge

      • Shriman jee agar maine Ram ki tarah shambuk ka murder kya ho, Inder ki tarah Brahman ki putri ahilya ka balatkar kiya ho, Dhronacharya ki tarah galat tarike se Arjun ko bada bayana ho aur garibo par atyachar kiya ho, Prasher Rishi ki tarah kewat ki putri ka balatkar kiya ho, Logo ko brhamino ki tarah thaga ho to me dahan ke liye tyar hoon, Jo dharmik Granth logo me bhedbhaw paida karte hai, Unch neech badhte hai, Desh ko kamjor karte hai, Manvta ko khtam karte hai jin ko Brahmin apne fayede ke liye istemal karte hai aur logo ko bewkoof banate hai unko aur un ke patro ko burai ki tarah khatam karne me samaj aur desh ka hit hai. Rawan ko bhi to kewal ek burai ke liye mara gaya tha, Fir isme to dhero buraiya hai milawat hai ye aap bhi mante hai, fir inka dahan karne me dar kis baat ka. Hum Manu samriti 25 December, 1927 se jalate aa rahe hai aur har sal chalate hai jis ke karan karodo shudro gyan prapat karke aaj kaha pahunch gaye hai, upper vern jalne lage hai unki khushhali se tabhi kehte hai reservation band karo. Are bhai Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ne lakho saal tak reservation liya aur shuder narak ki jindgi jine ko majboor hote rahe, aaj unko 60 sahi dhang se reservation mila nhi ki vo tumhare aankho ki kir kiri ban gaye. Aaj kehte hai aarthik tor par reservation hona chahiye, Jab Dr.Ambedkar ne bhi to inke bhoomiheeno ke liye aarthik tor par hi zameen mangi thi, tab kya hua jab bhool gaye the aarthik aadhar,Sir, azadi ke vaqat kaha tha Hindu/Brahmin/Arya kyo nhi koi aage aya aarthik brabari ke liye jo aaj baat karte hai. Agar aarthik brabari ho jati to Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ko gulam mazdoor kaha se milte. Sir, jitni reservation aap ne li hai uska kewal 5% bhi imadari se de do to desh aaj Supreme Power ban sakta hai. Khoon pasina bahana shuder ko bhi aata hai aur bahaya hai me. Jaise Raju Bhaiya ko Mayawati ne jail me dala unke jate hi bahar, isi tarah corrupt officers ki under ground help hoti hai. Mishra brahmino ka dalal hai Ground level par BSP like nhi krta.

      • Dalbir Singh

        _______________Shriman jee agar maine Ram ki tarah shambuk ka murder kya ho____________

        Aap Aisa qyo sochate, jo vyakti raj-path paise ko thokar mar sakta hai vah kisi ki hatya qyo karega, kis lalach me? Nishad Raj jis ki Naav me baithkar Ram ne Nadi par ki, Ram usko bhi paise na hone ke baavjood apni patni ke gahne diye. Jungle me bhi ram ne Vanvasiyo se mile unke sath Baith kar Bhojan kiya. Inn sab satyo ko jante huye bhi aap qyo galat videshi logo ke chakkar me fas rahe hai jo jan bujhkar bharat ke sabhi mahapursho ko nicha dikhane me lage rahte hai.

        Ram ne lanka jitene ke baab bhi vaha ki Aurto ko gulam nahi, aur na hi vaha ki sampati looti jaise ki Muhammad ne sabhi gair muslimo ya usko paigamber na man-ne walo ke sath kiya. Dono ko ussi context me rakhkar dekhe aur paye kon shresth hai. Ram ne raja hone ke bavjood kabhi dusri patni nahi laye. Ram ne Ravan ko bhi tin-tin parstav bheje ki unki patni ko lota de aur kisi aur ki patni ko rakhna galat hai. Ram ne Ravan ko marne ke baad bhi uski patniyo ko sex gulam nahi banaya jabki muhammad ne juwariya, safiya ke bachho, bhai pita, pati ko maarker unse ussi rat sex/rape kiya jisko musalmaan nikha mante hai. To aap bataye kon shresth hai

      • Dalbir Singh

        Sir, App bilkul sahi, Aap ek pehloo ka zikar kar rahe ho, aap satya keh rahe ho, Lekin mai doosre pehloo ka zikar kar raha hoon, Jo aap ko dikhai de raha hai vo mere ko nhi dikh raha aur jo aap ko dikhai de raha hai vo mere ko nhi dikh raha. Sir, Ram ke janam se pehle hi Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo me aurato ke sath durachar karne ki ek vayvstha thi, vo thi Aashram Kanya, jis me ye log sunder ladkiyon ko aashram me daan karne ke liye dharam or moksh ka dar aur lalach dikha kar Kanyao ko daan karwante the apni sewa ke liye aur fir unka har parkar se shoshan karte the, Ye pratha aaj bhi south India me Dev Dasi paratha ke naam se chal rahi hai, Birtish Govt. ke ban karne ke bad aaj bhi Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ne apni is mauj masti ke ADDE ko jari rakhe hai, aur un ladkiyon se jo najayaj santan paida hoti hai use HARIJAN kaha jata hai. Ye ek aisa saboot hai jis se koi inkar nhi kar sakta, Rawan pehla vaykti tha jis ne inashramo ko khatam karaya aur ladkiyon ki ijjat ki raksha ki, aur kabhi koi galat kam nhi kiya.Vo Rawan kabhi bhi kisi aurat ka apharan kaise kar sakta. Agar ram shambhuk ka murder nhi kar sakta to rawan sita ka apharan kaise kar sakta hai. Rahi bat Muhammad Sahib ki vo is charcha ka vishya hai hi nhi kayoki tab Islam tha hi nhi. Yaha vishay kewal Samanta ka hai, Bhedbhaw ka hai. Agar Rawan ne sita apharan kiya to saza mili agar ye sach hai to, Ram ne dhokhe se Bali aur shambuk murder kiya to usko saza kyon nhi. Sir koi videshi nhi sab kucch aapki pustake bol rahi hai, hum to kewal aanklan kar rahe hai agar ram murder nhi kar sakta to charo vedo ka vidwan aur lakiyon ki raksha karne wala sita ka apharan kaise kar sakta hai.Agar dono sach hai to Saza bhi dono ko kayon nhi. Sri aaj har sabhay aadmi chahta hai ki kanoon sab ke liye brabar hona chahiye chahe Shuder ho ya Brahmin, garib ho ya amir, Faisla aap kijiye sir, Corruption ke janam data kon hai. Sir, agar koi sachi or ho to batana shayad mere shanka ka niwaran ho jaye. Dhanayawad

      • @Dalbir

        Ram ne lanka jitene ke baab bhi vaha ki Aurto ko gulam nahi banaya, aur na hi vaha ki sampati looti jaise ki Muhammad ne sabhi gair muslimo ya usko paigamber na man-ne walo ke sath kiya. Dono ko ussi context me rakhkar dekhe aur paye kon shresth hai. Ram ne raja hone ke bavjood kabhi dusri patni nahi laye. Ram ne Ravan ko bhi tin-tin parstav bheje ki unki patni ko lota de aur kisi aur ki patni ko rakhna galat hai. Ram ne Ravan ko marne ke baad bhi uski patniyo ko sex gulam nahi banaya jabki muhammad ne juwariya, safiya ke bachho, bhai pita, pati ko maarker unse ussi rat sex/rape kiya jisko musalmaan nikha mante hai. To aap bataye kon shresth hai.

      • Sir, Good morning, Aaj me bahut khush hoon, kayoki sachai samne aa gayi, Shriman ji baat Hindu/Brahmin/Arya ki ho rahi hai agar aap ke paas jawab nhi to kam se kam track par rehne ki kosis kare, Mere swal me musalman ka to zikar hi nhi tha fir vo kon hain, kaise hai, kya kiya, kya nhi kiya. Sir, Mi aap ki baat se 100% sehmat rawan ne ek hi galti ki thi seeta ko nhi lotaya usne bura kiya usko saza mili. Fir ram ne bhi ek galti ki Dhokhe se Bali ka murder jis me unka swarath tha ki sugriv mere help karega, doosra be-kasur shambuk ka murder, jo unhone ne bina budhi ka paryog kiye kar diya bilkul anuchit tha, fir ram ko saza kyo nhi. Aisa pakshpat kisi bh sabhaya samaj ke liye kalank hai aap pane anterman se sochiye. Sir, unhone lanka ki sampti nhi looti, na hi aurato ko gulam banaya, ye to sab ko mallom, charcha ka vishya yeh nhi hai sir. Vishya hai jo theek hai vo theek hai jo galat kiya uski saza bina bhed bhav ke honi chahiye. Sir, aap ne to Ram ramanayan, karishan geeta sabot mange the aur bola tha ye kewal stories hai sachai nhi fir aaj unke example kyo de rahe ho. Doosri baat Shriman ji hamari discussion ka vishya kewal Hindu/Brahmin/Arya hai na ki islam, Aap ek healthy discussion kijiye, mudde ko bhatkaiye mat. Lekin sir mai aap ka phir ek bar Dhnaydabad karna chahoonga, vo isliye ki chahe koi Hindu/Brahmin/Arya koi ho vo hindu dharam me kuritiyon ko le kar ek doosre ki burai bhi karte hai Arya Samaji aur Sanatani ek ddosre ke khilaf bhi bolte hai. Aap kal tak to Ram ramayan geeta Krishan ko kalpnik or fake stories bata rahe the aur aaj unke example de kar ke sabit kar rahe ho ke sab ke sab pakhandi aur dhongi hai. Sir, Sachai ko kisi ki sharesthta ke parmanpatar ki jaroorat nhi hoti. Sir, aap ne sachai dikha kar mere par Ehsan kiya, agar aap ko is se aghat hua ho to mai Mafi chahta hoon. Aap ka aur mere safer yahi taq tha Sir.

      • @Dalbir

        ___________Aaj me bahut khush hoon, kayoki sachai samne aa gayi, Shriman ji baat Hindu/Brahmin/Arya ki ho rahi hai agar aap ke paas jawab nhi ________________

        Bhai Hindu qua hota hai pahle mujhe ye batao? App Hindu qyo nahi hai?

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        _____________ Fir ram ne bhi ek galti ki Dhokhe se Bali ka murder_____________

        Atankvadiyo/rakshasho ko kaise bhi maro koi galti nahi hai. Bali ne apne hi bhai sugreev ki patni ko jabardasti apne pas rakh liya. Qua bhai ki patni par buri najar rakhna think hai? To ram ne bali jaise raksas ko markar qya galat kiya.

        _____________doosra be-kasur shambuk ka murder, jo unhone ne bina budhi ka paryog kiye kar diya bilkul anuchit tha, fir ram ko saza kyo nhi_____________

        Qya pata Shambuk ne bhi Ravan & Kubhkaran, Bali ki tarah koi gunah kiya ho jiska use dand mila ho.

        ____________Sir, unhone lanka ki sampti nhi looti, na hi aurato ko gulam banaya, ye to sab ko mallom, charcha ka vishya yeh nhi hai sir _______________

        To sir, Aaj sabse pahle hame pure desh aur duniya se Islam ko khatm karne ki jarurat hai nahi to muhammad ke followers kisi ki bahu batiyo ko nahi chodenge. Ye log manavta ke dushman hai. aur hame bhi majboor kar denge uss shaitan muhammad ko paach bar pujne ko. ISIS ki factory ko rokne ke liye quran par ban lagwana jaruri. Iske liya hame muslimo aur Islam ke khilaf jehad chhedna chahiye. Ram to ek history hai. Jaha jaha Musalmaan gaya wo desh barbaad ho gaya. AAj china ur Japan hamse aage qyoki unhone Islam ko apne desh me panpane nahi diya.

      • Q.Bhai Hindu qua hota hai pahle mujhe ye batao? App Hindu qyo nahi hai?
        A.16 sanskaro me se shuder the kewal antim sanskar hota hai, agar veh hindu hota to usko sabhi sanskaro ka adhikar hota chahe vo kare ya na kare. Hariwar/Pehowa aur bahut se jagah par brahman kiyakarm se pehle jati poochhta hai agar shuder ho to 98% brahmano uske kiyakarm nhi karte, Hariwar me ganga vishan jaise ek do hai jo shudro ka kirya karam karte hai 98% nhi karte, Shuder ka yagopvit sanskar nhi hota. Sadiyon se shudero ki aarthik/Sheshnik/samajik/Dharmik halat kamjor kyo rahe, Kyonki unko sheeksha ka, education ka, dham kamane aur inktha karne ka, Samaj me accha pehnane aur khane peene ka adhikar nhi tha. Agar shuder Hindu hota to vo bhi brahmao akshtriyo aur vaish ke tarah sadhan sampan aur khush-hal hota. Hinduo ke har tarah se inka shoshan kiya, aaj bhi shuder dulha dhodi par nhi baith sakta, sakri hand pump se pani nhi le sakta ye halat hindu/brahmin gaon me hai. Agar shuder hindu hota to uska kabhi shoshan nho hota . Isliye shuder hindu nhi hai us par Hindu dharma jabrdati thopa gaya hai.
        Q.Qya pata Shambuk ne bhi Ravan & Kubhkaran, Bali ki tarah koi gunah kiya ho jiska use dand mila ho.
        A.Ye bhi to ho skata hai ki ram ne bhi koi gunah kiya ho jis ke karan badla lene ke liye rawan ne sita ka apharan kiya ho.
        Aaj sabse pahle hame duniya se Islam ko khatm karne ki jarurat hai nahi to muhammad ke followers kisi ki bahu batiyo ko nahi chodenge.
        Q. Shudro or unki bahu betiyo ko shoshan Hindu islam se bhi pehle se karte aaye hai aur aaj bhi kar rahe hai rape ke 98% case me shuder mahila hoti hai aur hindu purush. Islam se pehle inko khatam karne ki jaroorat hai. Shuder aaj bhi surakshit nhi ISIS aane ke bad bhi surakshit nhi. Hinduo ko apni bhu beti ki ijjat ka dar sata raha shuder ki nhi. Hindu ko shuder 2 samay par yad aata hai ek to jab Hinduo ki ijjat daw par lagi ho doosra election ke time. Hame ISIS se nhi Hindu se khatra hai kyoki ye shuder ko har tarah satate rahe hai.

      • Q.AAj china ur Japan hamse aage qyoki unhone Islam ko apne desh me panpane nahi diya.
        A. Param Aadarniya Shriman ji, Jis china aur japan ka aap zikar kar rahe ho, Hamari aur unki mansikta me aakash patal ka anter hai. China me islam hai lekin Bodh jayada hai jo Hindu/Brahmino ki tarah pakhandi nhi hai. Hindu 99% Pakhandi hai aur 1% Science based hai. Air chinese 99% Science base aur 1% pakhandi hai. Kanoon sab ke liye braber hai bharastachario ko fansi hoti. For example. Ek khel gaon Bharat me bana jis ka karta dharam Suresh Kalmadi tha khel shuru hone se pehle ki pul toota gaya aur aaj arbo rupee ki propery khander me tabdeel ho gayi hai. Bharat me is iten bade nuksan ki jimmedari koi nhi lene wala Kalmadi akela nhi tha poori fauj thi. China ne jo khel gaon banaya tha aak vo use tourist place me convert kar ke krodo rupee kama raha hai. Is me Islam ka to koi role hi nhi hai. Sir aap aur hum bekar ki discussion me kitna time barbad kar rahe hai, Chinese aur Japanies aisa nhi karte yahi unki progress ka raj hai.
        Japan aur china bhi hamare ki tarah vern aur jati jaisi vayvstah me bante hua the lekin Bodh dharam ki shiksha anusar sabhi ko samanta ka adhikar mila aur sab braber ho gaye aur mil kar mehnat karne lage.
        Agar aaj hum sabhi mandiro aur devi devtao ka vyapar band kar de aur jitna paisa mandiro mai kharach hota use kewal ak saal desh ke vikas me lagaye aur jitna time dharam karam ki bekar ki bato me barbad karte hai use desh ke vikas me lagaye ti Japn se kahi aage nikal sakte hai. Aarthik bharastachar se khatanak Dharmik bharastachar hai jo aadmi ko mansik aur dimagi taur par handicapped bana deta hai aur 98% bhartiya iske shikar hai.

      • Q. Qya pata Shambuk ne bhi Ravan & Kubhkaran, Bali ki tarah koi gunah kiya ho jiska use dand mila ho.
        A: Shrimaan ji aap sahi kehte hai, kayoki aap ka prashan QYA PATA se shuru hua hai jis me aap clear nhi hai shanka me hai, lekin koi baat nhi shrimaan ji mai aap ki shanka ka bhi nivaran kar deta hoon, Kam se kam aap ye to man gaye ki Shambuk ka murder hua hai, ho sakta hai uska bhi koi gunah ho. Hindu/Brahmin/Arya vidwan to saf kehte hai ki ye milawat mugal kal me hui hai aisa nhi hai. To maine kaha Shriman ji ab to mugal kal nhi hai, jab Muglo ki Babri Maszid khatam ki ja sakti hai to ramayan ki milawat ko bhi khatam kar do, Is ke sath sath sabhi grantho me jo bhi manvta ke virodhi bate hai sab nikal do. Lekin ye milawat bahut kam ki sabit ho rahi hai, isko badolat shudro ka ghor shoshan kiya jata tha, ja raha hai, aur jaha tak ho skega hota rahega.
        Ab asli anser par aate hai, Shambuk ka kasoor tha, vo kya tha. Ek brahman puter ki kam umer me mrityu ho gayi, Vo ram ke darbar me aaya, brahman budhijiviyon ne kha ki kahi koi shuder tapsya kar raha hai, yahi is balak ki marity ka karan hai, ram ko behka kar vo shuder ko dhundhne nikal pade aur unhe tapshya karta aadmi mila, us se suka prichay poochha, jis se mallom hua ki yeh shuder hai, viltalap hua us ke gyan ke samne sabhi brahmin feeke pad gaye ise brahmani ne apna apmaan samjha aur ram ko uksa kar sahmbuk ka murder karwa diya, Sir, yahi kasoor tha shambuk ka.
        Dhanyavad Shriman ji

      • @Dalbir
        ____________Hariwar/Pehowa aur bahut se jagah par brahman kiyakarm se pehle jati poochhta hai agar shuder ho to 98% brahmano uske kiyakarm nhi karte______________

        Brahmano ke paas qya karne ke liye jaate hai? Kis murkh ne Antim Sanskar ke liye pakhandi brahmano ke paas jane ki liya kaha hai? Agar tumhe murkh banana hai to bano tumhare pass apni budhi nahi jo tum galat logo ke chakker me phaste ho. Jo vyakti mar gaya uska brahamn bhi qya kar lega?

        ___________Shuder ka yagopvit sanskar nhi hota_____________

        Kuan Rok sakta hai Yagopavit pahane se? Yagopavit pahane kaa matlab hai aab aap samajhar ho gaye aur aapke sabhi karya Manavata ke liye hone chahiye. Kam, krodh, Lalach se bacho, purusharth karo, Jivan manushya maatr ke kalyan ke liye ho. Jitna Jaruri ho utna khao, Brahmcharya ka palan karo. Yagopavit kewal ek dhaga hota jisko manushya Ishwar ke nam par uper likhe karyo ko karne ka sanklap leta hai.

      • Q. Brahmano ke paas qya karne ke liye jaate hai? Kis murkh ne Antim Sanskar ke liye pakhandi brahmano ke paas jane ki liya kaha hai? Agar tumhe murkh banana hai to bano tumhare pass apni budhi nahi jo tum galat logo ke chakker me phaste ho. Jo vyakti mar gaya uska brahamn bhi qya kar lega?

        A:- Sir, Namaskar, Shriman ab tak hum ne 2 parkar ke Hindu/Brahmin/Arya dekhe hai, Ek apne aap ki Snatan Dharmi kehte hai dusre Arya Samaji, Arya samaji aur Sanatan Dharmi ke riste theek aise hai jaise Bharat aur Pakistan ke. In me se hum 99% pakhandi sanatan dharmiyo ke samperak me jayada rehate hai kyoki congress ghas ki tarah ye aap ko har jagah mil jate hai aur Arya samaji kabhi bhi logo me apne pulblic programme ke dwara koi bhi jagrukta abhiyan chalate hai aur poora bharat yani 99% pakhandi brahmino/Hindu ke giraft me hai. Sir, Supreme Court ke reitred Chief Justice ne ab nar news papaer me statment diya tha ki Bharat me 90% log idiot hai, Kyoki bharat ki scientist bhi braman ke khne par gober ki pooja kar leta hai bade bade jusdge, neta corporate family brahmani ke bina bhijan bhi nhi karte, iska matalb hai ki bharat me 90% nhi 99% idiot hai jo in pakhandi brahman hinduo ke jungal me fase hua hai,
        Shudro ka upnanayan sanskar sadiyo ne hni hota hai, kaya kabhi kisi Brahman/Hindu/Arya Samaj ki sanstha ne koi public programe kiya jis me shudro ka upnayan sanskar badi matra me karwaya ho. Dhaga pehnane se nhi matlab shuder ko Brahmano/Hinndo ke brabar ka adhikar, aur samman , vo shudro ko British Govt. ne 1833 me diya aur unki development me sare rate khol diye. Hindu dharm me aurat ka bhi bahut shoshan hua , British Govt. ne use bhi azadi dilawai. Agar ye aajadi Hindu/Brahmin/Arya de dete to bharat kabhi gulam nhi hota. Aurat aur shuder ko aajadi British Govt. aur Dr.B.R.Ambekar ji ne di fir shuder aur aurat hidu kaise ho sakti hai. In par Hindu dharma Thopa gaya hai.

      • Q. Kuan Rok sakta hai Yagopavit pahane se? Yagopavit pahane kaa matlab hai aab aap samajhar ho gaye aur aapke sabhi karya Manavata ke liye hone chahiye. Kam, krodh, Lalach se bacho, purusharth karo, Jivan manushya maatr ke kalyan ke liye ho. Jitna Jaruri ho utna khao, Brahmcharya ka palan karo. Yagopavit kewal ek dhaga hota jisko manushya Ishwar ke nam par uper likhe karyo ko karne ka sanklap leta hai.
        A. Respeted Sir, Aap theek kehte hai , kon rok sakta hai, Dharmik gtantho me jo milawat ki hui hai vo shudro ko rokne ka shadyanter nhi hai kay, Mahad me Baba Sahib ne aandolan kar ke shudro ko sarvjnik talab se peene ke pani ka haq dilwaya, jab ki us pani ko kutta, billi, gadha yani koi bhi janwar pe sakta tha lekin shuder ke pani lene aur peene par poori pabandhi thi. Us smay koi dhage wala aage nhi aaya ke bhai pani to sab ki jaroorat hai inko lene do, haan agar un me koi burai nazar aati thi to unko bolte ki isno door karo fir pani lena, lekin hazaro veso tak vo ganda pani peene ko mazboor rahe jis ka example aaj bhi M.P. me hai ki shudro ko sarkari pump se pani nhi lene diya ja raha vo ganda pani peene ko mazboor hai, fir aise Ygopavit sanskar ka kaya fayda. Aaap to kehte hai ye manushya mater ke kalyan ke liye hai, lekin yaha to manushay mater ka shoshan kar rahe hai Janeu dhari, Jo logo ko sarkari pani peene ka haq nhi de sakte, kya vo yagopavit sanskar karvayenge. Sir, Hindu/Brahmin/Arya ke sab cheeze ek taraf kar do sirf apni ghatiya mansikta chhod kar manvata ke socho, Ek taraf female ko Devi, ganga, radha, durga, saraswti, Gaytri, Laxmi na jne kitne namo se poojte hai aur dusri taraf sati pratha jaisi prampra ke naam par jinda aag me jhonk dete hai, Balatkar hote hai, koi bhi upper vern virodh nhi karta, yahi manvta hai. DHONG BAND KARO, SAB MANVA KO BRABER MANO AUR USKO USKE ADHIKAR DO JAISA SAVIDHAN ME LIKHA HAI. AGAR HINDU/BRAHMIN/ARYA AISA KAR DETE HAI TO HUM AAP SAB KE AABHARI HONGE.

      • @Dalbir
        _____________–China me islam hai lekin Bodh jayada hai jo Hindu/Brahmino ki tarah pakhandi nhi hai____________

        Afgnistan me sare bodh the lekin Islam aane ke baad sare bodh ka katle kar diya gaya aur vaha se budhism bilkul khatm ho gaya. Bhagwan budh ki sabse badi murti bhi vahi thi jisko muslmano ne tod diya. Bhagwan budh ne kisi ki sampati nahi looti pagal muhammad ki tarah. Muhammad ne kaha me gair-Muslimi se ladoonga tab tak wo mujhe prophet nahi mante aur zakat nahi dete, kalima nahi padhte. Agar muslaman vaha bhi pahuch jaate to sare bodh ka safaya kar dete jaise afganishtan me hua. Lekin chin aur japan ka bhagya achha tha jisnem apne aap ko Islam se bacha liya anyatha waha par koi bodh math/mandir nahi hota jaisa ki afganistan me hua. Bharat ke 1000 sale to muslima Akarmano se niptane me hi bit gaye. Kabhi gori, kabhi Gajni, Kabhi Babar, sale lootere afganistan ke raste bharat me pahuchate the.

      • Q. Afgnistan me sare bodh the lekin Islam aane ke baad sare bodh ka katle kar diya gaya aur vaha se budhism bilkul khatm ho gaya.
        A. Bodh dharm bharat me bulandiyo par tha, Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ke pani shreshta aur haram ka halwa manda khatam hota nazar aya, fir unhone Bodh dharam ko khatam karne ke liye ek brahmano ne uchit anichit sab farmule istemal kiye, Brahmani ne ek bodh bhikshu ke sir (head) ke badle 100-100 sone ki mohre di aur lalach me logo ne bodh bharat se khatam kar diya aur satta Hindo/Bramino/Aryao ke hath me aa gayo bad me islam ne bhi satta kayam karne ke liye Bodh aur Hindo/Brahmin/Aryo par yahi formule paryog kiya. Jo bodh moortiya todi gayi wo taliban ke aane par todi gayi, yani 15-20 sal pehle, lekin Hindu/Brahmin/Aryao ne to Bodh bhikshuo ka katleaam 1700-1800 sal pehle shuru kar diya tha. Agar Bharat me aaj bodh hota to sab braber hote, Bharat China Japan ki tarah super power hote, lekin swarthi Hinduo/Brahmani/Aryo ne apni shrsthata banaye rakhne ke liye desh aur desh ki janta ka khoob shoshan kiya aur videshi aakarman kariyon ka khoob swagat kiya. Wo thode se log aate aur bharat me unke ghar me ma behan ek kar ke sab kuchh loot le jate. Aur hamare Brahmin/Akshtriya hath par hath dhare dekhte rehte ye loot ka programe kai 100 salo tak chala aur bharat gulam ho gaya dhool fankte rahe yodha aur unke hathiyar. Rajshtan me muglo ne dar se logo ne ladkiyon ke paida hote hi mar dena shuru kar diya, kyoki wo unki hifazat karne me na kam rahe.
        Q. Kabhi gori, kabhi Gajni, Kabhi Babar, sale lootere afganistan ke raste bharat me pahuchate the.
        A.Sir, Hindu/Brahmino/Aryao ne Dharam aur pakhand ke naam par logo aur rajao ko khoob loota mandior ke teh-khano me aaj bhi janta ke loote hua sone chandi ke bhandar maujood hai agar Gauri, Gazni, Baber ne unhe loot liya to kya hua, Ek lutere ne doosre ko loot liya to ye to nayay hua janta ke sath. Aaj Hindu/Brahmin/Arya bhi to logo ke khoon pasine ki kamai loot kar Swiss Bank me jama kar rahe hai.

      • @Dalbir_
        _______________, lekin Hindu/Brahmin/Aryao ne to Bodh bhikshuo ka katleaam 1700-1800 sal pehle shuru kar diya tha_____________

        Hinduo ne Ram ke followers ko nahi mara, Krishan ke followers ko nahi mara, Dayanand ke followers ko nahi mara, Mahavir Jain ke followers ko nahi mara, kabir ko followers ko nahi mara, hanuman Ji ke followers ko nahi mara, shiv ke followers ko nahi mara, , Nanak ke followers ko nahi mara, Khatu Shyam ke followers ko nahi mara, to budh ke followers ko qyo marenge? Wo bhi to Mahavir, Hunuman, Ram, Krishan, Nanak ki tarah bharat ke mahan Mahapurush v Rishi the. Guutam Budh ne Muhammad ki tarah kisi sampati nahi looti balki swayam bhi raj path ka tyag kar diya jabki muhammad to dhan-sampada ka lalachi tha. Bhagwan Gautam budh ne kisi 9 saal ki bachi se rape nahi kiya, kisi ka katle nahi kya unko budh na manane par
        , lekin muhammad ne kaha Mujhe Allah se order mila jab log mujhe paigmber nahi mante me unse ladoo.

        Sahih Muslim 33—The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

      • Q. Hinduo ne Ram ke followers ko nahi mara, Krishan ke followers ko nahi mara, Dayanand ke followers ko nahi mara, Mahavir Jain ke followers ko nahi mara, kabir ko followers ko nahi mara, hanuman Ji ke followers ko nahi mara, shiv ke followers ko nahi mara, , Nanak ke followers ko nahi mara, Khatu Shyam ke followers ko nahi mara, to budh ke followers ko qyo marenge?
        A. Sir, Namaskar, Aap ne sahi kaha, Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ne bodh ko isliye mara, kyonki, Uhone vedo, ram, karishan aur Brahmano ke dhong ko khatam karke ek paragtisheel bharat ka nirman karna chate the. Unch neech, jati, vern sab ko khatm kar ke sab ko ek saman adhikar dilana chahte the, lekin ye bar Brahmin/Hindu/Arya nhi chahte the vo bina kucch kiye apne aap ko shreshth kehlwana chante the jaise ki Arjun ke shresht kelwane ke liye Daronachary ne ek lavaya se angootha katvaya. Usne to kisi ka kucchh nhi bigada tha. Agar sab baraber hote to Hindu Brahmino ki haram ki khane ki aadat khatam ho jati aur jinhe haram ki mang kar khne ki aadat thi unke liye samsya utppan ho jati. Aaj bhi 95% Hindu/Brahmin mang kar khane me vishwas rakhte hai, vo chahe logo ko shani, mangal, lok parlog, punerjanam or dharm aadi ka dar dikha kar haram ki khate hai. Jra Socho agar bharat me bodh hota to kaya hum aur aap iase bekar me samay aur budhi barbad karte, Nhi, jab sab brabaer hote to 98% problem apne aap solve ho jati. Aaj tume apne aap ko sharesth sabit karne me lage ho aur mai apne aap ko. Aur jab hamari discussion kewal aur kewal hindu/Brahmin/Arya ki hai tum apni glatiyan chhupane aur apne aap ko accha sabit karene ke liye kisi aur ka sahara mat lo.

      • @Dalbir

        Sorry for interception but I like to correct you.

        ________________________Jra Socho agar bharat me bodh hota to kaya hum aur aap iase bekar me samay aur budhi barbad karte, Nhi, jab sab brabaer hote to 98% problem apne aap solve ho jati. ________________

        Please Bodh nahi Islam hota to Bharat ki sari problem samapt ho jaati. Budha hamesha ke liye nark me hoga quoki usne Allah me Viswas nahi kiya aur uske followers bhi hamesha ke liye narak me honge. Allah ki najaro me use na manana sabse badaa paap hai aur sare budhist vahi paap kar rahe hai.

      • @Dalbir Pandit Ji,

        Aapko Bhagwan Ram se prerna lene ki jarurat hai jin hone Ek Sudra mahila Sabri ke jhuthe ber khaaye the. Unke man me uch nich ka koi Bhav nahi tha tabhi to unhone prem vas Sudra mahila ke jhuthe ber khaye.

      • Q. Aapko Bhagwan Ram se prerna lene ki jarurat hai jin hone Ek Sudra mahila Sabri ke jhuthe ber khaaye the. Unke man me uch nich ka koi Bhav nahi tha tabhi to unhone prem vas Sudra mahila ke jhuthe ber khaye?
        A: Nameskar Sir, Sir, prerna ki mujhe jaroorat nhi prerna Hindu/Brahmin/Arya ko lenhi chayiye thi jinhone samaj ko verno aur jatiyon me tukde tukde kar ke unka shoshan kiya aur aaj bhi kar rahe hai, Agar Hindu/Brahmin/Arya kewal 2% bhi ram se prerna lete to aaj vern aur jati vayvstha khatam ho chuki hoti. Hinduo ko ram to dhhone se achha hota ki un se prerna lete. Prerna leni hai Eklavya se lo jis ne mehnat khud ki aur guru ke samman me sharir ka abhin ang dan kar diya. Ram ne kya kiya ber hi khaye mazboori me gadhe ko bhi baap banana padta hai. Aaj Brahman/Hindu neta Shudro ke gharo me khana khate hai kewal vote ke liye bad me vahi un shudro ka haq marte hai aur unka shoshan karte hai. Yahi ram ne kiya pehle sabri ke ber khaye aur fir shambuk ka murder kiya. Yahi Ram ne kiya Sabri ke ber khaye use bhook lagi thi lekin lakshaman ne un bere ko thook diya kayoki uski jaroorat nhi thi. Akshtriya ki ek maryada ye bhi hoti hai ki vo kabhi chhup kar war nhi karta, lekin ram ne mazboori ke karan bali ko marne ke liye us maryada ka bhi ulanghan kiya., Agar Hinduo ke ram sabhi ko brabar mante the to hindu ram ke tarah sab ko brabaer kyon nhi mante, Ram ke ulat kam kayon kar rahe hai jis se desh barbad ho raha hai. YANI MUH ME RAM RAM BANGAL ME CHHURI KI KAHAWAT VAISE THODI BANI HAI. Sir, Prerna Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ko lene ki jaroorat hai.

      • @Dalbir/Raj/
        स्वयं विचार करे की श्री राम जी कैसे तपस्या में लीन किसी शुद्र कूल में उत्पन्न हुए शम्बूक की हत्या कैसे कर सकते हैं?

        श्री रामचन्द्र जी महाराज का चरित्र

        वाल्मीकि रामायण में श्री राम चन्द्र जी महाराज द्वारा वनवास काल में निषाद राज द्वारा लाये गए भोजन को ग्रहण करना (बाल कांड 1/37-40) एवं शबर (कोल/भील) जाति की शबरी से बेर खाना (अरण्यक कांड 74/7) यह सिद्ध करता हैं की शुद्र वर्ण से उस काल में कोई भेद भाव नहीं करता था।

        श्री रामचंद्र जी महाराज वन में शबरी से मिलने गए। शबरी के विषय में वाल्मीकि मुनि लिखते हैं की वह शबरी सिद्ध जनों से सम्मानित तपस्वनी थी। अरण्यक 74/10

        इससे यह सिद्ध होता हैं की शुद्र को रामायण काल में तपस्या करने पर किसी भी प्रकार की कोई रोक नहीं थी।

        नारद मुनि वाल्मीकि रामायण (बाल कांड 1/16) में लिखते हैं राम श्रेष्ठ, सबके साथ समान व्यवहार करने वाले और सदा प्रिय दृष्टी वाले हैं।

        श्री राम का पुष्पक विमान लेकर शम्बूक को खोजना एक और असत्य कथन हैं क्यूंकि पुष्पक विमान तो श्री राम जी ने अयोध्या वापिस आते ही उसके असली स्वामी कुबेर को लौटा दिया था-सन्दर्भ- युद्ध कांड 127/62

        सत्यकाम जाबाल जब गौतम गोत्री हारिद्रुमत मुनि के पास शिक्षार्थी होकर पहुँचा तो मुनि ने उसका गोत्र पूछा। उन्होंने उत्तर दिया था की युवास्था में मैं अनेक व्यक्तियों की सेवा करती रही। उसी समय तेरा जन्म हुआ, इसलिए मैं नहीं जानती की तेरा गोत्र क्या हैं। मेरा नाम सत्यकाम हैं। इस पर मुनि ने कहा- जो ब्राह्मण न हो वह ऐसी सत्य बात नहीं कर सकता। सन्दर्भ- छान्दोग्य उपनिषद् 3/4

        महाभारत में यक्ष -युधिष्ठिर संवाद 313/108-109 में युधिष्ठिर के अनुसार व्यक्ति कूल, स्वाध्याय व ज्ञान से द्विज नहीं बनता अपितु केवल आचरण से बनता हैं।

      • Q. @Dalbir/Raj/
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        A: Shriman ji aap ke swal ka jawab na dena meri mazboori hai kyoki jo font upper dikh raha hai veh mere samjh se bahar he isliye mai aap ke swal ka jawab nhi de sakta kripa kar ke iske liye mafi cahta hoon.

      • Sir, maaf karna aap ke fint hindi me the jo mail me clear nhi the, Sir, mere ek hi jawab hai jis me ved, ram ramayan, karishan, geeta, smritiya, 33 crore devi devta aur sabhi dewta ka jawan mil jayega.

        AGAR AAP KOI ACHHI CHEEZ BOL RAHE HAI YA PADH RAHE HAI TO IS-SE KOI FAYDA NHI.

        FAYDA TAB HOGA JAB AAP UN ACCHHI CHEEZO KO APNE VAYVHAR ME LAYENGE.

        Kewal 1-2% Hindu/Brahmin/Arya hi hai jo ved, ram, ramayan, krishan geeta, aadi me likhe aadarsho ka palan karte hai, baaki 98-99% hindu kaise ho sakte hai. Duniya me isse bada Darama kay kahi hio sakta hai.

      • @Dalbir

        Qya aap Arya Nahi hai? Qya aap apne aap ko Atankvadi ya rakashah mante hai? Hamne uper likha tha Ram ji ne Shuder Kul me utpan mahaan rishi, Tapshvi Valmiki ki Hatya to nahi kari? Shambhuk Valimiki Rishi se bada tapsavi to nahi tha. Agar ram ne shambhuk naam ke vaykti ko mara to valmiki rishi to qyo nahi. Agar Ram Shudro se nafrat karte the to unhone Shabri ko qyo nahi mara. Sabri ko bhi us samay ki bahut badi tapsavni mahila kaha gaya hai. Ram ne to Shudra kul me utpan shabri ke jhuthe ber bhi khaye.

        Aur aap ko Ram se qya alarji hai. Ram ne Muhammad ki tarah Ahankari, Lalachi, Balatkari, lootere, Aurto ko Bechne wale to nahi the jaisa ki Muhammad ne kiya usko paigamber na manane walo ke sath.

      • Q.Qya aap Arya Nahi hai? Qya aap apne aap ko Atankvadi ya rakashah mante hai?
        A. Sir, mai Arya, Atankwadi,Rakshash nhi hoon, Brahmano ne ram ke dwara shambuk ko marwa kar shudro me aatank paida karwa diya taki koi shuder gyan prapat karne ki himmat na kare, Drona Charya ne Eklavya se anghotha le kar fir shudro me aatank paida kar diya taki vo unnati na kar sake, Fir Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ne shudro me aatanak paida karne ke liye ek gandi chal chali aurn MANUSAMRITI likhi, jis me poori manvata ko sharamsar kar diya, Sari duniya me ek bhi dharam aisa nhi hoga jis ne dharmik putak ke dawara aatanak failaya ho. Manusamriti ka aatank aaj bhi dehat aur hindu bahulay shetro me viyapak roop se dekhane ko milta hai. Abhi ki taza parman MP , Maharashtra or Rajshtan me dekhe honge. Vo Muslim nhi the vo Hindu the. Ab batao aatankwadi or rakshash kon hai.
        Q. Tapshvi Valmiki ki Hatya to nahi kari? Shambhuk Valimiki Rishi se bada tapsavi to nahi tha. Agar ram ne shambhuk naam ke vaykti ko mara to valmiki rishi to qyo nahi. Agar Ram Shudro se nafrat karte the to unhone Shabri ko qyo nahi mara. Sabri ko bhi us samay ki bahut badi tapsavni mahila kaha gaya hai. Ram ne to Shudra kul me utpan shabri ke jhuthe ber bhi khaye.
        A. Rishi Valmiki shuder nhi the, or na hi unka aaj ke valmiki samaj se koi link hai, 1927 se pehle bhangi jati ke sath kabhi bhi valmiki word use nhi hua. 1857 KI KRANTI KE MUKHYA SUTERDHAR MATADIN KE SATH BHI BHANGI WORD USE HUA HAI VALMIKIR HAI, 1927 me bhangi samaj dharam privertan karprogress kar raha tha or apna kam chhod raha tha, unko rokne ke liya Ami Chand Sharma nam ke aadmi ne sajis ke tehat valmiki word jodkar dharam privartan rok kar unke sath dhokha kiya or hindutav un par thop diya.
        Q.Aur aap ko Ram se qya alarji hai. Ram ne Muhammad ki tarah Ahankari, Lalachi, Balatkari, lootere, Aurto ko Bechne wale to nahi the jaisa ki Muhammad ne kiya usko paigamber na manane walo ke sath.
        A.Discussion Hindu/Brahmin/Arya ki hai Muhhamad ki nhi.

      • Q. Agar Ram Shudro se nafrat karte the to unhone Shabri ko qyo nahi mara. Sabri ko bhi us samay ki bahut badi tapsavni mahila kaha gaya hai. Ram ne to Shudra kul me utpan shabri ke jhuthe ber bhi khaye.
        A.Sir, Sabri shuder thi aur shuder hi rahi usne samaj ko Shambhuk aur Eklavya ki tarah dariderta se bahar niklane ka ka nhi kiya, Hindu/Brahmin/Aryao Shoshan kewal unhi shudro ka kiya jo shuder ko progress karwana chahte the. Agar sabri bhi karti to nishchit uksi bhi hatya ho jati. Door kayon jate ho abhi dekho 3 din pehle Dr.B.R Ambedkar ki moorti UP me todi gayi, kal yani 14 Jun ko Punjab ke plahi village me Dr.B.R Ambedkar ki moorti ki baaju todi gayi. Lekin koi Hindu Sangthan abhi tak virodh me nhi aaya kewal shuder samaj hi pardharshan kar raha hai. Jis ne shudero ko progress karwane ke liye paryas kiye uski hatya hui hai aur jo shuder gandgi wala kam karta raha usko kisi ne nhi chheda. Dr.B.R.Ambedkar ki moorti ka ye hal ho raha hai socho hinduo ne jeete jee unka kitan shoshan kiya hoga.
        Q.Aap ko Ram se qya alarji hai. Ram ne Muhammad ki tarah Ahankari, Lalachi, Balatkari, lootere, Aurto ko Bechne wale to nahi the jaisa ki Muhamad ne kiya usko paigamber na manane walo ke sath.
        A: Sir ram se alargi nhi hai mere ko MUH ME RAM RAM BAGAL ME CHHURI SE ALERGI HAI, JO KI 98% HINDU/BRAHMIN/ARY ME HAI. Duniya ka koi aisa desh nhi jis me Savidhan likhne wale Mahapurush ki moorti par bhi Atyachar hote ho, Bharat me is liye ho raha hai kyoki vo ek shuder the aur unhone shudro ki progress ke liye kam kiye isliye unki mooorti ka bhi shoshan ho raha hai. 21st century me shuder mahapurush ki murti ka shoshan hota hai, hum kaise man le ki prachin kal me shudro par atyachar nhi kiya aur us samay to musalman bhi nhi the. Us samaya bhi shuder aatank ke saye me jeete the, jo virdh karta tha MANUSAMRITI ke anusar saza milti thi. Poori duniya me Aatanak ki kewal ek hi dharmik pustak hai vo hai Hinduo ki MANUSAMRITI, YE MAT KEHNA KI MILAWT ,ATYACHAR TO ASLI HO RAHE HA

      • @Dalbir
        __________________Sir, mai Arya, Atankwadi,Rakshash nhi hoon_____________________

        Arya ka arth hota hai jo dharm ke inn das lakshano par chalta hai. Agar aap bhi in par viswas aur palan karte hai to aap bhi arya hai.

        धृति: क्षमा दमोऽस्तेयं शौचमिन्द्रियनिग्रह: ।
        धीर्विद्या सत्यमक्रोधो दशकं धर्मलक्षणम् ॥ ६।९२ ॥

        अर्थात् धृति, क्षमा, दम, अस्तेय, शौच, इन्द्रियनिग्रह, धी, विद्या, सत्य और अक्रोध – ये धर्म के दश लक्षण हैं । आइये, इनको हम एक-एक करके समझते हैं ।
        १) धृति – या धैर्य । यह धर्म कैसे हुआ – क्या आपने कभी यह सोचा है ? इस गुण को हासिल करना इसलिए आवश्यक है कि देखने में आता है कि जब भी हम धैर्य खो बैठते हैं, हम अधर्म कर बैठते हैं ! लेकिन इसका और भी महत्त्व है – जब हम धर्म के मार्ग पर निकलते हैं, तब कठिनाइयां अवश्य ही हमारे सामने आती हैं । उनसे डर कर यदि हम वह मार्ग छोड़ दें, तो धर्म के मार्ग पर टिकना हमारे लिए असम्भव है । उपनिषद् कहता है – क्षुरस्य धारा निशिता दुरत्यया अर्थात् धर्म का मार्ग तो छुरे की तरह पैना है, उसपर चलने का अर्थ है बहुत संकटों से जूझना । इसलिए धर्म के लिए कमर कसने का पहला उपाय है दृढ़ हो जाना ।
        २) क्षमा – दूसरा गल्ती करे और हम कुछ भी वैर अनुभव न करें, बदला न लें, इसे क्षमा कहते हैं । लेकिन यदि हमें यह गुण अपने में उत्पन्न करना है, तो हमें इसके कारण को समझना होगा । हममें बदले की भावना तब उत्पन्न होती है, जब हम दूसरे से धर्म की अपेक्षा रखते हैं, परन्तु वह अधर्म करता है । इसलिए, यदि हम दूसरे से धर्म की अपेक्षा ही न रखें, तो हमें न तो क्रोध आयेगा, न हमें क्षमा करने में कष्ट होगा ! क्षमा में एक ही कठिनाई है – उसके करने पर दूसरा व्यक्ति समझने लगता है कि हम निर्बल हैं, इसलिए मैदान छोड़कर भागने के लिए क्षमा करने का ढोंग कर रहें हैं । अधिकतर तो पत्थर-दिल भी क्षमा से पिघल जाता है, जैसे कि बुद्ध और अङ्गुलिमाल की कहानी से प्रसिद्ध है । परन्तु कुछ नीच व्यक्तियों को दूसरे के व्यवहार में सदा खोट ही दिखता है । ऐसे व्यक्तियों से – क्षमा करते हुए भी – निबटना हमारा कर्तव्य है ।

      • @Dalbir
        __________________- Sabri shuder thi aur shuder hi rahi usne samaj ko Shambhuk aur Eklavya ki tarah dariderta se bahar niklane ka ka nhi kiya________________

        Sabri Shuder nahi thi wo ek Tapasvani Brahmin Mahila ban chuki thi aur uska samaan pure aas-paas ke logo me tha. Ram bhi us shuder se brahmin bani mahila ke pass uske darshan karne gaye the. Issi tarah valmiki bhi shuder se brahamn bane. Har vyakti shuder paida hota hai. Parantu ye us par depend karta agge vah brahman (Vidwan, scientist) ya Vaishay (Vyapari) ya Chhatriya (Desh ke liye ladne wala) bane ya bhi shuder hi rahe.

        __________________Hindu/Brahmin/Aryao Shoshan kewal unhi shudro ka kiya jo shuder ko progress karwana chahte the_______________

        Kripya aap Brahaman/arya/hindu ko mix na kare.

        Hindu un logo ko pracheen samay me kaha jata tha jo bharat varsh me rahte hai. Arya ka a rth hai shresth aur Sajjan purush. Brahman ka arth hai jo vidwan aur scientist budhi wale vaykti hai.

        ______________Duniya ka koi aisa desh nhi jis me Savidhan likhne wale Mahapurush ki moorti par bhi Atyachar hote ho__________________

        Bhai aap qya baat kar rahe ho Pakistan ko banane wale Shiao ka aaj pakistan me qya hall hai.

        ____________________hum kaise man le ki prachin kal me shudro par atyachar nhi kiya aur us samay to musalman bhi nhi the__________________-

        Bhai un ap atyachar rakshasho ne kiye brahmano ne nahi. Ye sab jinhe aap brahman kah rahe asl me rakshash the brahmano ke vesh me. Qyoki chhoti budhi wala vyakti brahman nahi hota.

      • Q.Bhai un ap atyachar rakshasho ne kiye brahmano ne nahi. Ye sab jinhe aap brahman kah rahe asl me rakshash the brahmano ke vesh me. Qyoki chhoti budhi wala vyakti brahman nahi hota.

        A. Varinda ka rape Vishanu ne Shiv ki madad se kiya, According to Shiv puran, to aap ke anusar Shiv aur Vishnu bhi Rakshash hua, Inder ne ahilaya ka rape kiya, to Inder bhi Rakshahs hua, Gautam rishi ne Ahilya ko galat shrap diya vo bhi rakshash the, Prasher Rishi ne kewat ki putri ka rape kiya, vo bhi Raksash the, Kunti ne unmarriade hote hua puter ko janame diya or use (karan) ko lok laj se bachane ke liye river me baha diya uska rape karne wala bhi raksas tha. Ashram kanya ke naam par mahilayo se dura char karne wale mandiro me bhi raksas rehte the, Karnatak me aaj bhi Dev Dasi system me mahilao par atyachar brahman hi kar rahe hai kaya vo bhi rakshas hai. Sati ke nam mahila ko jinda jalane wale savern bhi raksas hai nhi Hindu Aryo ke pujniye hai. AAP TO AISE BAT KAR RAHE HAI JAISE AGAR AAJ KA NETA SACHI ME RAPE KARTA HAI OR FAS JANE KE BAD KEHTA HAI YE TO OPPOSITION KI SAJIS HAI MERI LOKPRITA SE BOKHALA KAR AROP LAGAYE JAR RAHE HAI SAB BEBUNIYAD HAI.
        Q.Bhai aap qya baat kar rahe ho Pakistan ko banane wale Shiao ka aaj pakistan me qya hall hai.
        A. Lekin waha kabi bhi pakistan banane wale ki moorti ka kisi ne apman nhi kiya Jaisa Baba Saheb ki moorti ke sath UP or Punjab me abhi hua. Jaise vaha par Shiao ke sath ho raha hai vaisa bharat me shudro ke sath ho raha, Fir Hindu apne aap me shreshth kaise hua. Muhhamad Sahib par dosh lagane se pehle Hindu/Brahmin ko apne gireban me jhakna chahiye .
        Q.Hindu un logo ko prachin samay me kaha jata tha jo bharat me rahte hai. Arya ka a rth hai shresth aur Sajjan purush. Brahman ka arth hai jo vidwan aur scientist budhi wale vaykti hai.
        A.Aaj hamare pas 99% sab videshi hai chahe Language, Technology, Agriculture, Medicine, Education, Food, Clothing , Living style fir Brahmn/Aryo ne logo kaya kiya BABA JI KA THULU.

      • @Dalbir

        Aap to bharat varsh ke sabhi mahapurhso par toot pade hai parantu me akela hi 1000 tumahre jaise momino ke liye kaafi hu. Jai Bharat Mata.

        Ab mera javab

        _______________-Varinda ka rape Vishanu ne Shiv ki madad se kiya_____________

        Qai baar dushmano ko marne ke liye bhesh badal kar unke kheme me jaana padta hai. Aese raw ke agent bhi karte hai. Bharat me bhi ISIS ke agent bhesh badal kar ghumte hai jankari pratp karne ke liye.

        Hanuman bhi lanka me bhesh badal kar gaye the.

        Yaha par iss kalpanic kahani dwara pati varta dharm ki shakti batayee gai hai.

        Iss kalpnik kahani me kahi par bhi rape nahi hai. Qya aapne life okey ka serial Mahadev Dekha hai. Iss kalpnic kahani se samjhaya gaya hai Vrinda ka pati Jalandhar bahut bada rakshash tha jo devo par atyachar kar raha tha usse ladne ko shiv aage aye parantu ve use hara nahi pa rahe the. Phir ye conclusion nikala gaya ki Jalandhar ki patni Vrinda bahut pativarta hai aur uska pativart dharm hi jalandhar rakshash ki raksha kar raha hai. Tab vishnu namak dev ne kaha agar Vrinda ke samne me jalandhar ka rup lekar chala jau aur vrinda mujhe dhoke me jalandhar samajh leti hai to uska pativart dharm khandit ho jayega aur jo pativart dharm jalandhar rakshash ki raksha kar raha hai wo khatm ho jeyega aur jalandhar ko marna aasan ho jayega.
        Ye kewal ek majoranjan aur shikshapard kahani hai.

        ____________Lekin waha kabi bhi pakistan banane wale ki moorti ka kisi ne apman nhi kiya Jaisa Baba Saheb ki moorti ke sath UP or Punjab me abhi hua___________-

        Qya baat kar rahe hai. Muhammad namak rakshash ne Macca me se sare mahapurusho ki murtiya tudwa di thi. Aaj arab desh kisi bhi bade mahapurush jaise Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi ki murti nahi hai. .Kaaba me 360 bade mahapurusho / devtao ki murtiya thi ab bataho kaaba me kitni murtiya hai.

      • Q.Bharat me bhi ISIS ke agent bhesh badal kar ghumte hai jankari pratp karne ke liye. Hanuman bhi lanka me bhesh badal kar gaye the.
        A; Shriman jee, Aap ke anusar ISIS ke agent Hanumaan ji aur unki sena ke braber hai fir hame unki bhi pooja karni chahiye.
        Q:Qya aapne life okey ka serial Mahadev Dekha hai. Iss kalpnic kahani se samjhaya gaya hai Vrinda ka pati Jalandhar bahut bada rakshash tha jo devo par atyachar kar raha tha usse ladne ko shiv aage aye parantu ve use hara nahi pa rahe the.
        A: Sir, Mahadev Serial me hi Inder devta ne Chander devta ki madad se Vishnu ki putri Gautam rishi ki patni Ahilya ka Blalatkar kiya tha jis ke pukhta parman Balmiki Ramayan me mozood hai. Vishanu ne Varinda ka balatkar shive ki madad se kiya tha jis ke parman Shiv Puran mai mauzood hai.
        Q.Qya baat kar rahe hai. Muhammad namak rakshash ne Macca me se sare mahapurusho ki murtiya tudwa di thi. Aaj arab desh kisi bhi bade mahapurush jaise Jesus, Buddha, Gandhi ki murti nahi hai.
        A. Sir aap jab vichlit ho jate ho to mudde se hat kar bat karte ho, Baat kewal Savidhan ke nirmata ki thi bharat aur pakistan ki aap Arab Desh ke bare me mere ko mat bataye. Fir bhi mai jawab doonga, Hindu/Brahmin/Aryo ne bhi to Babari maszid todi thi aur abhi bhi UP, Punjab me Dr.Ambedkar ki moortiya tod rahe hai lekin waha abhi aisa nhi hai. Is ke mutabik Shresth to vo hai Hindu nhi. Unhone ne 2000 sal pehle moortiyan todi hongi lekin hinduo to aaj bhi tod rahe hai Hum unse aaj bhi 2000 sal peechhe chal rahe hai fir Hindu/Arya shresth kaise hua. ye bhi to ek kalpinkta hi hai.Kitne Hindu Dharmik Sathano par Hindu/Brhamin/Aryo ne Jesus, Nanak, Budh ki murtiya sathapit ki hai ya kabhi ki thi to fir Arab desho per dosharopan kyo karte ho. Apne gireban me jhanko bhai.
        Q.Yaha par iss kalpanic kahani dwara pati varta dharm ki shakti batayee gai hai.
        A.Sir Hindu itihas, Ved,Puran, Ram, ramayan, Shiv, Krishan, Gita, vishnu, Manusamriti sab kalpna hi to hai sachai hoti to kalpana ki jarurat nhi thi.

      • @Dalbir
        _______________Lekin waha kabi bhi pakistan banane wale ki moorti ka kisi ne apman nhi kiya Jaisa Baba Saheb ki moorti ke sath UP or Punjab _______________

        Bharat ke Islamic state ban-ne ke baad ek bhi Hindu ki murti nahi bachegi. Abhi phir bhi desh me lakho muritya hai Ambedkar, Gandhi Ji, Ram Ji, Ravidass, Buddha, Nanak, kabirdas, bhagat singh etc etc.

      • Q.Bharat ke Islamic state ban-ne ke baad ek bhi Hindu ki murti nahi bachegi. Abhi phir bhi desh me lakho muritya hai Ambedkar, Gandhi Ji, Ram Ji, Ravidass, Buddha, Nanak, kabirdas, bhagat singh etc etc.
        A.Sir, Aap sahi keh rahe hai kay aaj bharat me Dr.Ambedkar ki moortiya shurakshit hai, jaisa ISIS aap ke sath karegi vaise hi aap shudro ke sath kar rahe hai, jihone aap ke bjurago ki sewa ki, Kaya kabhi bahat singh, bose, patel , nanak ki moortiya tooti hai nhi. fir shudro ke sath dogli niti kayo

      • @Dalbir

        ________________Aap ke anusar ISIS ke agent Hanumaan ji aur unki sena ke braber hai fir hame unki bhi pooja karni chahiye._______________

        Kafi log karte hai. Bharat se bhi kai log ISISI me gaye hai. ISISI ka network abhi Iraq aur Syrai tak hi hai. Bharat me bhi ISISI ke bahut jaldi pahuchane ke chance hai. App bhi ISIS join kar sakte hai.

        ___________________Vishanu ne Varinda ka balatkar shive ki madad se kiya tha jis ke parman Shiv Puran mai mauzood hai_____________

        Agar aap me himmat hai to wo shalok mujhe bhi de. Maine bhi shiv puran padha hai.. Anayatha apna jhuth swikar kar le.

        _________________Sir aap jab vichlit ho jate ho to mudde se hat kar bat karte ho, Baat kewal Savidhan ke nirmata ki thi bharat aur_______________

        Ek murti tootne se kuch nahi hota aesi bahut see murtiya hai bharat me. Mere yaha bhi ambedkar ki murti hai chowk par. Parantu Islam aane ke baad to ek bhi murti nahi bachegi. At least Hindustan me lakho murtiya hai bhartiya mahapurusho ki. Islam sabse gandi vihar dhara hai. Hinduism me to aap ko virodh ka avsar bhi milta hai parantu Islam me to muhammad ka virod karne walo ko maout ke ghat utar diya jata hai.

      • Q.Kafi log karte hai. Bharat se bhi kai log ISISI me gaye hai. ISISI ka network abhi Iraq aur Syrai tak hi hai. Bharat me bhi ISISI ke bahut jaldi pahuchane ke chance hai. App bhi ISIS join kar sakte hai.
        A.Sir, Golmol bat mat karo, hindu Hanumam ki puja karte hai, kitne hindu ISIS may gaye ya jane wale unke nam batao, Mudda kewal aur kewal Hindu ka hai.
        Q.Agar aap me himmat hai to wo shalok mujhe bhi de. Maine bhi shiv puran padha hai.. Anayatha apna jhuth swikar kar le.
        A.Sir, mera sources jhootha ho sakta hai, lekin bat 100% sachi hai, Sir Mhahadev Serial me karodo logo ne Vishanu ko Varinda ka aur Inder ko Ahilay ka balatkar hote dekha hai, Fir vishanu apna paap chhupane ke liye varinda se vivah kar leta hai aur Gautam rishi is duskkarame ki saza sharap ke roop me Ahilay aur Inder dono ko deta hai, Inder ka muh kala kar deta hai aur Ahilya ko Pathar ki bana deta hai. Hindu ise kalpnik kehte hai taki badnami se bacha ja sake.
        Q.Ek murti tootne se kuch nahi hota aesi bahut see murtiya hai bharat me. Mere yaha bhi ambedkar ki murti hai chowk par.
        A.Sir, bharat me cow (Gaye) bhi bahut hai fir koi ek gaye ko katal karta hai to poore desh aur sansad me hangama kyo hota hai kanoon kyo banta hai. Gaye kewal Hindu ki hai swidhan likhne wale Dr.Ambedkar poore desh ke hai. Gandhi, Bose, Patel, Nehru ki moorti kabi nhi todi jati fir wahi dogli niti.
        Q.Parantu Islam aane ke baad to ek bhi murti nahi bachegi. At least Hindustan me lakho murtiya hai bhartiya mahapurusho ki. Islam sabse gandi vihar dhara hai. Hinduism me to aap ko virodh ka avsar bhi milta hai parantu Islam me to muhammad ka virod karne walo ko maout ke ghat utar diya jata hai.
        A.Sir, shuder mahapurshu ke moortiyo aaj todi ja rahi hai vo to ISIS nhi, aap ko apne mahapursho ki chinta sata rahi hai.Hindutav shuder par thopa gaya usne swikar kiya, fir bhi us par atyachar. Islam kabulane ke bad shayad bachne ki umid to ho sakti hai. Hindu shuder ko uska haq dee to desh gulam nhi hota.
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  11. AGAR MAANAV GARIBO VEDNA PADHNA SEEKH LE TO VEDO AUR ISHWAR KI JAROORAT MEHSOOS NHI KAREGA KYOKI MAANAV HI ISHWER BAN JAYEGA JO HAMESHA DIKHAI BHI DEGA AUR HELP BHI KAREGA.

    • paramadarniy shri dalbir ji [email protected] agar sabhi manushy “dusrao ke saath vahi vyavhaar kare jo apne ko pasand ho ” ka sutr apen jivan me le aye to kahi bhu i julm nahi hoga dharm ka isse achha sutr koi aur nahi ho skata hai ! insan kitna bhi achha ban jaye vah kabhi isvar nahi ban sakta kyoki ishvar ke gun asankhy hai
      vah svaanso ke maadhyam se jivan deta hai jo koi aur nahi de sakta hai ! koi chij sirf dikhne se vah saty nahi ho jati 1
      kya pushpo me sugandh dekhi ja sakti hai ?
      kya bhukh ko dekha ja sakta hai?
      kya bukhar ko dekha ja sakta hai?
      kya dard ko dekha ja sakta hai?
      kya prem ko dekha ja skata hai ?
      kya hava ko dekha ja skata hai ?
      agar yah sab dekhe ja sakte hai to batlaiye inke rang rup kya hai ?

      • Dear Sir, App jo jeh rahe hai vo satya hai, to kay ishwer ko dekha nhi ja sakta kewal, bhook, khushboo ki tarah anubhav kiya ja sakta hai, mai 100% sehmat hoon, lekin mera jawab fir bhi nhi mila agar 1% hinduo/brahmano ki itni si baat samajha me aa jaye to sara pakhand was khatam ho jayega aur har manve ek doosre se payar karega aur sab brabar ho jayege aur verna vad aur jatiwad bhi khatam ho jayega lekin 95% hindu/brahmin aur three upper verna kabhi nhi chahte ki shudra unke brabar aaye. Punerjanam aur peechhle janam ke karmo ka vasta de kar unko bharmit kar manvta ka shoshan kar rahe hai, lekin kehte vo bhi aisa hi hai jaisa aap kehte hai. Mandir ab mandier na ho kar ishwar ke supermall ki tarah ho gaye hai, Ye ram ka deopartment, Ye Hanuman ka, ye vishnu ka, ye shani ka, koi bhi inske khilaf nhi khada hota. SC.ST.BC ko reservation savidhan ke tahat kannoni taur par milti hai, uske khilaf aap bhi kahde hote hai agar aap hindu hai, fir ye bhedbhaw kayon. Sir,mera sawal abhi sawal hi hai HATHI KE DANT KHANE KE AUR DIKHANE KE AUR.

      • paramadarniy sri dalbir ji , jin mandiro me bhed bhav hota ho un mandiro ka bahishkaar kijiye yah hamne pahale bhi kahi thi dalit bandhuo ko jo arskaha n mila hai vah suirf 10 saal ke lye ha fir vah aaj bhi jari rahega dalit bandhuo me j krimilear hai unki sanatno ko arksha nahi milna chahiye taki baki logo ko milta rahe ! sarkar koi bhi suvidh adegi vah takatvar hi apyenge baki to piche raha jaeynge . isliye takatvar krimilear ko svayam hi arkshan masle se hatkar apne chote dalit ba ndhuo ke liye dena chahiye! jo apne ko janmt jat brahmankahate hai unme se bhu garib brahman jab riksha chalate hai ya chaprasi kakary karte hai ta ape se nich jati ke vyaktiyo ka kahan a bhi mante hai aur unki dant bhi khate hai inme arthik taakat jiske paas hogi ya gyan ki takat jiske paas hogi vahi samaj me vijayi hota hai

      • Sri, Burai ka bahishkar nhi khatam karni chahiye, Aise mandior ko kanoon ke tehat band karna chahiye. Mandiro mai Brahmnio ka 100% reservation hai, Arbo ki black money hai jo sarkari honi chaniye aur desh ke vikash mai kam aani chahiye. Jo reservation 10 saal ka tha usko Hindu/Brahman aaj tak nhi poori tarah de paye kyoki savidhan me Dr.B.R.ambedkar ko kam kam se kam 10 sal jayada se jayad 20 sal me karne ka prvdhan kiya than vo Hindu/ Brahman kabhi nhi kar sakte tabhi to backlog iktha hota ja raha hai. Agar Hindu/Brahman imadar hote aur inki niyat saf hoti to ye kam vo 10 nhi 5 saal me bhi kar sakte the. Lekin nhi. Ab aayo mudde par desh me 95% corruption ke liye Hindu/Brahman/Akshtrya/Vaise jummedar hai agar ye corruption poori tarah khatam kare de to reservation apne app poori tarah khatam ho jayegi. Ye beimani the tabhi to reservation mili thi. Bab saheb ne shudro ke liye agriculture land ki demand ki thi jo nhi mani kyoki ooper ke 3 vern nhi chahte the ki shudra hamre barabar aaye agar braber aa geye to hamare kheto ke hal kon chaleyega aur tabhi reservation mili thi. Agar ooper ke teeno verno me aise budhiman log hote jo graibo ki sochte to reservation hoti hi nhi. Vo beiman the tabhi reservation mili. Agar ooper ke teen vern aaj Imandar ho jaye aur corruption karni band kar de to reservation apne aap khatam ho jayegi. Reservation koi bada mudda nhi hai Tum Corruption khatam karo do agle din reservation apne aap band ho jayegi. AIPMT ka entrance exam har saal leak hota hai aur 5-10 lakh ruppye me bikta hai jis ke karan sabhi verno ke mehnat karne wale students to nuksan hota hai kaya. Master mind pakda jata hai, poora giroh pakda jata hai. Giroh me brahman/asktriya/Vaish hi hote hai. Lekin powerful post par baithe inhi ke log bacha lete hai aur apna hissa le lete hai. Jis din tum isko band kar do ge reservation apne aap khatam ho jyegai.Jawab nhi mila mere sawal wahi hai. HATHI KE DANG KHANE KE AUR DIKHANE KE AUR.

      • Sriman jee aap sahi kehte hai taqat jis ke pass hoti hai vijye vahi hota hai, Lekin Hindu/Brahmin jaisi Vern vayvtha me aisa nhihota. Aisa vaha hota jaha imandar aur budhiman log hote hai. Sambhuk ka murder kyon hua kyoki us ke pass bhi to gyan ki taqat thi, Ahilya pathar ki bani kyonki us me sat tha, Vridnda ka blatkar hua vo to sati thi, Seeta ka dukh dai ant hua vo bhi sati thi, Eklvaye bhi dhanurvidhya ki taqat se pripooran tha. Sabhi paater takqat aur vidhya se pripooran the fir ye vijayi kayon nhi hua. Kyonki jo corruption aaj shudro ki taqat ko failne se rokne ka shadyanter kar rahi hai unhishadyantero or corruption the shikar bana kar unki taqat ko dhokhe se khatam kar bine mehnat kiye apne aap ko vijayi bana liye WAH RE MERE HINDU/BRAHMIN ARYA SAMAJI teri leela bhi ishwer ki tarah appermpar hai. Taqat wer shudro aur aurato ke sath chhal aur dhokha kare ke apne aap ko vijayi kehlata hai vo bhi bina kis mehnat aur prisharam kiye. Are is se acchhe to Aurangjeb tha ke islam kaboolo aur jo chaho mang lo aur diya bhi jo. Rahi Aarthik taqat ki baat Manu samriti galat hai theek apne apne vichar hai. Lekin shudro ke shoshan me 100% kam kiya. Hinduo ki Manusamriti ne Shudro ko har tarah me karmjor kiya, Shuder aur aurat ko to Education the right nhi tha, shudra ko dhan iktha karne ka adhikar nhi tha jo karta tha dharam ke naam par hindu loot lete the ye manusamrit kehti hai, Taqat war hone ke liye Education aur Money bahut jaroori hai. Shudro ko iska adhikar diya nhi fir shuder apni taqat kaise badhate. Jinhone bahdai unka muderr kiya, angootha liya yani Hindu/Brahmin/Aryan Samaji sabhi milk kar Shudro ko dabate rahe aur Apne aap ko Sharesth kelwate rahe wo bhi bina kisi mehnat aur prisharam ke . Shudro ko Azadi 1833 me British Govt. ne di thi. Tabhi Matadin Bhagi Sainik bana1857 ke azadi ki ladi me Shaheed hua. Mangal Pandey ki taqat wahi tha lekin yaha bhi dhokha hua Mangal Pande saheed bana diya aur Matadin ek shuder tha usko ignore kar diya

  12. adarniy shri dalbir ji @ yah “allah hu akbar “kya hai ? yani kisi ke hisab se allah sabse bada hai !
    koi bada kab hoga ?
    jab koi chota hoga ?
    ab ap batlaiye chota kaun tha !
    jab koi chota hi nahi tha to vah bada bhi kaise ho sakta hai !
    ishvar ke jab gun asanhy hai
    vah gun bhi tabhi se hai jab se ishvar hai ! ishvar anadi aur anant hai to uske sabhi asankhy gun bhi anadi aur anant hai koi kam v jayda nahi hota hai 1 allah ko pasan d karne vale yah kaha karte hai ki duniya me sirf allah tha baad me use yah ruh [jeev] aur sansaar banaya yani ab alalh ko bada kahaja sakta ha jo ki nahi hai kyoki agar usne ruh banay t aur sansar banaya to us ishvar ke gun jeev aur sansar me nahi hai ! jaise jiv galat kama karta hau lekin ishvar nahi 1 sansar nasht hoga lekin ishvar nahi 1 isliye yah baat buniyadi rup se galat kahi ja skati hai

    • You are absolutely right koi chhota hoga tabhi koi bada hoga, this is the law of nature trees are also big and small and also some provide sweet fruit and some kante like babul, no body have any problem, but the problem is here unsolveable. HINDU OR BRAHMAN KEWAL VED PADH SAKTE HAI VEDNA PADHNE KI BHASHA UNKI AATI NHI, Shambuk ko mar kar Ram aur brahman bade bane bina kisi mehnat aur gyan arjit kiye bina, Daronacharya ne Eklavya se amgottha le kar chhota bana diya aur aurjun bina mehnat ke bada ho gya. Kisi bhagwan ya ishwer ne kay kiya, koi hai bhi ya nhi there is no proof. Only imagination. Ishwer ke liye na koi bada hai na chhota usne sab ko braber bayana hai. 21st century me bhi shudro or nari par kitne atyachar ho rahe hai kon sa ishwer aaya bachane kabhi dekha aap ne. Jitna paisa hum brahmino aur mandiro par barbad karte hai jis se koi output nhi milti agar usko desh ke vikas mai lagaye to Modi ko japan ke aage paiso ke liye haath nhi failane padte aur brahmin aur vedo me agar gyan hai to hame technology japan china se kyo leni padti hai. HARAM KA KAHNE WALI SADIYON PURANI AADAT ITNI JALDI NHI JAYEGI, MERE BAHIO VED NHI VEDNA PADHO. M.P ke ek village mai upper caste ne lower caste ke logo ko inti garmi me nal se pani lena band kar diya, vo log itni garmi me ganda pani peene ko mazboor hai. Kaha hai vedo ka gyan aur tumhari ishwer aur bhagwan. HATHI KE DANT KHANE KE AUR DIKHANE KE AUR hai. AGAR ISHWER AUR BHAGWAN MILE TO MERE KO INTRUDUCE KARWANA. DHANYAWAD

      • paramadarniy shri dalbir ji @ ishvar to hai uska inkaar nahi kya ja skata hai vah sabhi ko har pal svaanso ke madhyam se jivan deta hai , bahale hi koi ishvar ko mane athava na mane vah apni udarta nahi chod sakta 1
        ab aapki yahbaat saty hai ki is desh me 90% se jyada janmjaat brahman hai jo asli nahi hai!
        ab jo 10% ache bhi hi vah bhi darpok hai kahi julm hota bhi ho to usko band karvane ki koi chehsta nahi karte hai ,
        vhai abhi ratlam[m.p] ke ek gram me ek dalit dulhe ko ghodhi par chadhne se mana kiya gaya jo apne ko savarn kahalna pasand karte hai baad me bhari police ki upasthiti me vah dalit dulha gho di par chadhkar vivah samaroh me shamil ho saka 1
        duniya me kahi bhi julm ho, vishv yuddh ho ya apna samaj hajar saal tak gulam bhi rahe ishvar se koi matlab nahi hai
        kyoki insano ko apne karam sukarm kukarm karne ki puri ajadi hai !
        fir vah chote – mote julm ko rokne kyo ayega 1
        yah to un insano ka , unke sangthano ka ,kary hai ki vah julm ko roke police ka kary hai ki samaj me hone vale julm ko sakhti se roke ! har samajahdaar kahalaye jane valo ka kartavy hai ki vah samaj mehonevale julmke viruddh bole usko rukvane ki cheshta kare !sarkar ka kaam hai ki julm ko dabaye 1

      • Ishwar aayega bhi kaise jo hai hi nhi vo kaise aa sakta, Usko kisi ke julam se kay matalb, kyoki matalba usko hota jis me vedna ho. Jab usko kisi ke julam se maltab nhi to fir us se koi matlab kyon rakhe, Doosri baat insani ko azadi ki baat karte hai Galt hai Taqat wala sab kuchh kar sakte hai nirbal par pabandi laga di jati hai. Kasmir me Pakistan ke jhande khoob lehra rahe hai aur 33 crore devtao wali Gay (Cow) bhi kati ja rahi hai wo taqatwar hai jo har vo kam karte hai jo desh aur hindutav ke khilaf hai unka koi kuchh nhi bigad sakta, Lekin IIT Madras me ak samajik santhan par pabandi laga di ki hindutav ke khilaf logo ko bhadka rahe hai, kyoki vo dalit sanghtan hai fir aap kis azadi ki bat karte hai. Hindu ka ek gun hai Kamjor to Dabata hai aur taqat wale ke joote khata hai. Sir, Azadi bade to hoti hai chhiote ko dabaya jata hai. Daropadi ko bhari sabha me nirvaster kiya gaya to aa gaya, aaj bhare bazar me rape hota hai to nhi aayega, Wah se bhagwan Ohh tab to jinda tha ab to mar chuka hai aur mara hua kabhi nhi aata. Jis julam ko aap chhota mote kehte ho vo aap ke liye hoga jis maa behan ki ijjat lutati hai us se poochho ye baat kabhi apni maa bhean par ho fir sochna chhoti si baat hai

        Sir kabhi kisi aurat ka rape ho raha ho aur vo meri ya aap ki behan ho to aap pehle kis ko bulyaenge Samajik sanghtan ko ya police ko ya fir kucch aur krenge. Jab kisi par julam hota hai aur koi uski help nhi karta tab vo ishwer to bulata hai lekin vo bhi insano ke tarah uska uphas udata hai Pathar me jan hoti to Pahad bhi chlate nazar aate.PAKHAND SE BACHO,

        yah to un insano ka , unke sangthano ka ,kary hai ki vah julm ko roke police ka kary hai ki samaj me hone vale julm ko sakhti se roke ! har samajahdaar kahalaye jane valo ka kartavy hai ki vah samaj mehonevale julmke viruddh bole usko rukvane ki cheshta kare !sarkar ka kaam hai ki julm ko dabaye 1

        Nameskar Sir, Hindu/Brahmin ko sabhi karmo ki aazadi hai brahmin har aurat aur shuder ke sath kuchh b

      • paramadarniy shri dalbir ji . kmjor rahana hi sabse bada paap hai , jab bhukamp bhi ate hau to majbut makan tike rahate hai aur kamjor bavan gir jate hai ! andhiya ati hai kahemakankamjor ped khanme bhi gi r jate hai lekin majbut tike rahate hai 1 sur ki tej garmi bhi kamjor vyaktiyo ko maar dakti hai bimariya bhi kamjor sharir ko samapt kar deti hai
        fir bhi samaj me koi n koi kamjor hoga hi takatvar vyakti ka kartavy ha kiapni takat ka istemal kamjor ki raksha melagaye n ki takat ka istemal kis kamjor ko nash karne ya uski ijjat lutne me nlagaye !! sri krishn jivit thedraupadi ke sakhathe isliye vah a gaye lekin aaj kau ayega / aj to takatvar padosi bhi rakshakarne se darega kahi pulis ke chakakar mepade to gavah adi me samay barbaad karna hoga pulis ko rishvart aalag se deni hogi varna pulis vala h us kes me ulta fansa dega 1 desh ki kanuni vyavstha bahut sharmnak hai 1 bahla karo ulta bura ho sakta hai sadko me ghayal tadpte rahatehai koi unko uthakar aspatal nahi pahunchata ki pulis kes ban sakta hai kau gavahi deeke liye ek din ki chutti le mahangaai ka jamana hai garib parivar ke bachho ka kya hoga ? samajik kshetr mebhi vahi sutr apna achahiyeki dusreke saath vahi vyavhaar karo jo apne liye bhi pasand aye a yah sutr kau ajmayega jo k jyada samajhdaar hone ka daava karte hai yani savarn varg ? baad me any samaj bhi 1

      • Sir, App aur mai padosi hai aaj mere ghar chori hui hai aur aap ko is se koi matlab nhi to agla number aap ka 100% hai. Yahi soch Samunder manthan ke samye thi jis ne Suro aur asuro ke beech amrit ko lekar nafrat paida ki corruption ki shuraat, Inder dwara ahilya ka balatkar, Ram dwara shambuk murder, Eklavya ka shoshan ye to kafi purane hai. Ab naye jamane mai aao, Bharat riyasto mai banta hua tha. Sab ko kewal apni chinta thi desh ki nhi. Jis din pehli riyasat par attack hua tha doosro ko sawdhan hona chahiyen tha kal tumhar number hai agar hamare desh me vidwan hote to shyayad bhart kabi gulam nhi hota. Mandal commission me poora desh tabah kar diya kisi ko bhi police ka, kanoon ka, gawahi ka koi dar nhi tha sabhi, brahmano, akshtroyao ne desh ko barbad kiya aur karvaya tab unhe police aur kanoon ka dar nhi tha. Agar logo ke man me police aur kanoon ke parati dar hai to us ke jimmedar bhi hindu/brahmana hi hai kayon unhone hi sare samaj ko bharast kiya hai. Rajshtan ke Gujjar reservation ke liye ek jut ho sakte hai samaj ki burai ko door kaen ke liye kayon nhi, Desh ka lagbhag 400 crore ka nuksan kon bharega agar yahi paisa desh ke vikas me lagta to sabhi ka fayda hota, Gujjaro ke is galat aandolan ke liye koi brhaman/hindu/akshtrya/vaish/Arya Samaj aage aya ke bhai aisa mat karo is se desh ka bhi nuksan hai aur log bhi preshan hai. Agar yahi aandolan lower caste the hota to sabhi unke khilaf ek jut ho kar khade ho jate jaise OBC ke 21% reservation ke samay me sabhi ek jut ho gaye the aur desh ka Arbo ruppye ki property jala di thi ye bhi app ko mallom hoga, Hindu/Brahman/Akshtriya/Vaish hamesha apne hit ke liye ek jut hua hai Desh ke liye bahut kam aur aaj bhi desh me sab se jayda bharshtachar inhi logo ne faila rakha hai. Black money bhi inshi logo ki hai, Raj bhi inka, Neta mantri aur Afser bhi inke . ST/SC/OBC ke officers ko kewal vahi posting di jati hai jaha koi power na ho. Even ke IAS me secretary kitne hai modi sarkar mai doodh ka doodh pani

  13. KRISHNA RAO SIR, JESUS HAVE NO WEAPON, ALLAH HAVE NO WEAPON, BUDHA HAVE NO WEAPON, GURU NANAK DEV HAVE NO WEAPON, RAVI DAS JI HAVE NO WEAPON, BUT HINDUS EACH AND EVERY DEVI DEVTA HAVE LOT OF WEAPONS WHY, EVEN HAVING LOT OF WEAPONS BHARAT LOOTED, KILLED, DESTROYED AND EXPOLITED BY EVERYONE. SOM NATH MANDIR LOOTED 16 TIMES AND OTHER ALSO THEN WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THESE DEVTAS AND THEIR WEAPON IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO PROTECT HINDUS/BRAHMIN. VED PADHNE SE KUCHH NHI HOTA SABIT HO CHUKA AB SHUDRO KI VEDNA KO SAMJHO FIR DEKHO BHARAT KAISE WORLD SUPER POWER BANTA HAI. SHUDRA ILLETRATE THE TO MARIT THI HI NHI JAB SE SHUDAR PADHNE LAGA HAI MERIT HAR SAAL KAISE TEZI SE BADH RAHI HAI. HINDU KO JHATKA KEWAL DO CHEEZO SE LAGTA HAI, EK TO EDUCATED SHUDER SE DOOSRA BIZLI SE.

  14. SAN SAYS 21ST JAN 2011

    QUESTION: In fact there is an caste system outside India called doctors,lawyers, scientist, politicians, and it is too inherited to some degrees as educated tend to remain educated. There will be class conflict always, as no one would like to think anyone is superior or inferior. But in Hindu dharma stories of Shudra, Brahmin, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas,

    ANSWER: San sir, everyone agree with you in the point of outside in India called doctor, lawyers, scientists and politicians and in Hindus are called shudra, Vaisj\h, Akshtriya and Brahmin. But you do not understand the main point doctors, lawyers, scientists and politicians are free for their betterment and upliftment of their life to luxury there was no bar. But in Hinduism being a capability shudra never do the upper verna jobs, not wear good clothes, not acquire education, not eat good food, not save money for future of their children, Shudra banned for r acquired the knowledge of Vaish, Akshtriya, and Brahmins, Vaish also banned and never acquqire the knowledge of Akshtriya, Akshtriya also banned and never acquired the knowledge of Brahmins. But brahmins are free to acquired the knowledge of Akshtrya, Vaish and shudra, Akshtriya free to acquired the knowledge of Vaish and Shudra, Vaish free for acquire the knowledge of Shudra. Upper verna have options for Shudra totally banned and do their traditional work. But outside india doctor’s son become engineer, Lawyers, Scientis, there was no bar. Eklvaye become super than Arjun with his self efforts was merit but Hindu Dharma push back him instead of avoid hard work by Akshtriya. AISA DHARM KIS KAM KA JO MANVATA AUR MERIT KE HIT ME HI NA HO.

    • @Dalbir,

      You keep on posting comment here but not talking anything concrete. Why not you answer me? What Should Hindu do now if their ancestors did something wrong as written many stories above by you?

      • You keep on posting comment here but not talking anything concrete. Why not you answer me? What Should Hindu do now if their ancestors did something wrong as written many stories above by you?

        Agniveer Sir, Thanx a lot you are really great you accept ancestors of hindus did something wrong and that something wrong become a huge problem for nation each and everyone see and face and that something wrong was facing since long back, no problem leave the past, but need a treatment for young generation and i.e. “EK BRAHMIN ABHI BHI EK DOCTOR / SCIENTIST SE GOBER KI POOJA KARWATA HAI” Please tell me sir are we did that was done by our ancesoters.

      • @Dalbir

        Dear Dalbir, I am not agniveer. I am a Hindu. Please advise us how to treat young generation? If we change our names and kept foreign language names than can there be some improvements.

      • Sir, Change is the law of nature, Our forefathers wear Dhoti, Kurta, then why we wear jeans shirt, Trace out ur sorrunding how many people know sanskrit, how many people have veda and how many knows about them, I never hate vedas and not like also. 99% black money generator also believe in veda and never do according to veda what r they doing if you believe in veda then do as per veda otherwise leave it.
        99% indian evern vedas followes children studying in English medium schools, they speak english, read english, write enlish wear enlish, eat english use toilet english, bed room english, kitchen english hair style english they never like choti on head and talking about veda. Sir, Sanskrit or hindi ke liye kewal mandir ki job hai. Aap pane bete ka naam Sh. Shayam Lal rakho beta shame fill karega friends mai agar Mr. Sam rakho then ask him.

  15. Agniveer Sir, Our Prime Minister asked on 4th May on the auspecious occassion of Budha Purnima in Tal Katora STadium at New Delhi that
    Sabhi Gyan ki Pustak = One Mantra that is Aatm Deepo Bhawo, I listen this mantra first time . I think these three words are more than sufficient for development of a nation and we all can seen the effect of these words in Baudhist Nations. Now one question again rise our What role play Vedas, Geeta Ramayana, Puranas Samrities and lakhs of Big and Small temples with uncounted money including cash and gold also , in socity.

  16. Agniveer Sir you are reqeusted to kind reply my pending post dated 28th April as early as possible.

    Sir, Vedas come is light after the birth of Swami Daya Nand Sarswati. Before that nobody knows about vedas. In the 2500 years history of Bharat each and every foreigner looted, beated, exploited our people including women also and Som Nath Mandir Looted evern 15-16 Times then No Arya come forwared to help these temples, nation property and also help the women except Sikh community.

    Sir, I think Veda are like Swiss bank , Knowledge of veda is like Black money of corrupt people, Only handful people knows about that bank and that money . Our P.M. begging money from Japan for Bullet train and our money hold in swiss bank. Can Vedas remove all types corruption from our nation, I Lot os nations do not know about Vedas but they have lot of humen values from Bharat, They are corruption free Old age people and children are National property, Their Veda less community and Govt. provide world class Education, Food and Medical treatment at very nominal price from top to bottom. We feel proud of them not on Vedas.

    In the recent natural calamity in Nepal, Golden Temple delivered one lac food packet and Bangla Sahib Guru Dwara delivered 25 thousand food packet daily. There are lot of big temples in country and maths what are they doing. Sikhism believe in huminity not in Vedas. TODAY WE NEED HUMINTY NOT VEDAS.

    • @Dalbir

      I agree brother with you. Keep on writing your good comments. I believe in humanity and the books which teaches humanity I believe it massage of Allah.

    • @Dalbir Singh

      ___________Knowledge of veda is like Black money_____________

      What is knowledge of Veda? How this knowledge went in Swiss Bank?

      ______________Can Vedas remove all types corruption from our nation______________

      Why Veda can not remove the corruption? What is connection between Veda & corruption?

      __________Their Veda less community and Govt. provide world class Education______________

      How these countries devoid of Vedic knowledge? Please explain.

      ________________ Sikhism believe in huminity not in Vedas_______________

      How humanity and Veda contradicts each-others.? Is Humanity not Veda?

      ____________foreigner looted, beated, exploited our people including women also and Som Nath Mandir Looted evern 15-16 Times then No Arya come forwared_______________

      Who is Arya? How do you know they were Arya? They could be coward who did not come forward to save the nation and woman.

      • Black money of swiss bank have no contribution the India’s development and we have money but our Prime Minister begging from other nationa for development of India. If Vedas have knowledge but we purchase all technology from other nations, even PM wants to covert Varanasi into Smart city but we have no money and knowledge for it and depend uon other nation.

        Vedas believers believe that vedas have knowledge and solution of each and every thing. India suffering lots of problems i.e. corruption, poor quality of education, Unemployment, lack of proper policies for humen development. Have any veda any solution of these serious problems.
        98% hindu believe in Vedasif huminty available in Vedas then all the above mentioned problems solve automatically.
        Indian History availabe in education system told us lot of foreigners attack and looted.
        Do you know they were not Arya. I may be wrong but our history told us and at present availble. No body see all these things from their own eyes then why i believe in VEDAS.

      • @Dalbir Singh
        ____________Prime Minister begging from other nationa for development of India____________

        I believe prime minister should not beg at least enemies of Islam like USA, France etc. All Islamic country be Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, licking the shoes of USA. Today, USA killed a two believers who opposed the event organised for Best Cartoon Painting of prophet Muhammad will be awarded 10000 US $.

        _______________Vedas believers believe that vedas have knowledge and solution of each and every thing.___________

        They are not correct. Veda do not have knowledge how to haircut, how to urinate, method of circumcision, how to make chapati, How to wear Sari, Burqa, how to bow down while praying to God, etc. etc.

        _________Do you know they were not Arya__________

        Please define the Arya?

      • Sir modi visited USA and France during the last few months. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, licking the shoes of USA. reason being they have knowledge and technology and without it they cannot do nohting. Pakistan political crises cannot unit the pakistan for this they are responsible for licking the shoes. Japan is tipical and smaller than Pakistan but USA and China and other developed countries salute for their hardwork and cooperation and unity of their population. During sunami in japan almost whole japan ruined but within one year you see as it is before the sunami.

        Arya come from Uresia that part between Europe and Asia.

  17. Agniveer Sir, You replied my question that Stories don’t make religion

    1. but not clear about false storeis aur true stories and not clearly mentioned that the charactors of that stories are true or false. As per your organisation opinion please clear the following books are stories books and there is no relationship of these books with hindu.

    Ramayana, Geeta, Mahabharata, All purans Samrities .

    2. 98% people believe in that stories, because in the todays society structure and enviroment like verna system, caste systema and exploation of shudra aur women can seen by the people including you in our day day life only less than 2% people talking about veda, but there is no symputums in the society as per veda.
    3. Please tell me Devtas mentioned in all Vedas.
    4. Who was the first lady teacher of our country.

  18. We all agree that your vedas, geeta, ramanyna and other scriputures are humentarian. But in indian society (Hindu) all hates everyone in every step. In educated families they hate in silent way and in rural area they hate openly. Most exploitation of shudra and women particularly in pure hindusiam locality as compare to other. We celebrate Navratras twice in a year but rape case increase day by day in hindu localities.

    Rama murderer Shambuka being a shudra shame for humanity.
    Vishnu rape wife of jalandhra’wife shame for humanity
    Indra rape Ahilya and chandra help him also same for humanity
    Prashar rape kewat daughter also shame for humanity.
    Parshuram educate only bramans why not other three verna.
    Dhronacharya also done shameful activity with eklvya.
    There are lot examples after that an educated person why belive in Hinduasim. Learn some thing Japan, china, Russia, Korea, USA, Canada and UK. We maximum waste our time and money in un-necessary religious baseless topic instead of development of humanity and nation. In social service Pakistan, Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal compete Bharat. It is shameful for us.

    • Stories don’t make religion. Essence of Hinduism is Vedas and not stories of other books. What society does is not Dharma. If society acts against humanity, society is wrong. But Dharma always stands for equality and respect. Let us establish Dharma and not bother about other nonsense. There are good things in other countries’ ways and we embrace them. But that does not mean we become monkeys who imitate them. We have our spiritual heritage that is far more powerful. Let that guide us instead of materialism and let us adopt best practices from all sides. Be original, be rational. Dont be a monkey.

      • Stories don’t make religion but religion make lot of stories and write lot of books like Vedas, Ramayana, Geeta, Puransand Samrities with fake charactors like Rama, Krishana, Parsurama, Indera, Surya, Chander, Brahmins and with other animals like cow etc.Please destroy these story books and their charactors.

        Essence of Hinduism is Vedas and not stories of other books. Vedas are also same books with same charactors like Indera, Chandra, Vayu, Brahmins and animal. Secondly, Hindu word is not available in any veda it is given for foreigners who attack on India then there is no meaning of essence of hinduism.

        What society does is not Dharma. If society acts against humanity, society is wrong. But Dharma always stands for equality and respect. Let us establish Dharma and not bother about other nonsense. Rama, Parsurama, Krishana, Darona, Pandvas and part of society at that time they act murder of Shambuka in Balmiki Ramayana Uttara Kand, Parsurama Sharpa Karna after giving education, Krishan authencate division of society in Geeta in the shape of Verna, Pandavas insult Eklavya and Darona Beg thumb without giving education. Tell me where is Dharma. what difference in that time society and today’s society. There are totally exploitation of poor people called shudra. No equality was that time But Dr. B.R.Ambedkar have lot of provision in constitution for equality and everyone can see the changes. In Hinduism no meaning of Dharma. There was and is totally Darama.

        There are good things in other countries’ ways and we embrace them. Good you are absolutely right we want to become our country like Japn, China, Korea, Canada, France but it is not possible for us witout destorying Hindusim and all that belongingss because we have waste lot of times in these stupid discussion whaste money, time and energy. developed countries used their totally energy for the development of their nation and huminity. Why modi begging door to door in all developed countries. Jai…

  19. I read comments from all members on Brahims, Shudra, Kshatriya. I havent read any books related to vedas, upanishad etc. But yes i have moved across the length and breadth of country from UP, delhi to Gujarat, MP, Maharashtra, Hyderabad .

    I observed in UP, north india most dalits are downtrodden,poor and supressed mostly due to their habits , not due to varna system. They are fond of drinking country made wine daily, they dont give importance to education,gamble and are not organzied , means lack unity. and they lack initiative , courage and enterpreneurship too. They are jelous of each other and try to cut each other, due to this brahmin and other caste take advantageof them.

    There was only one dalit till now who stood aagainst tyranny of Kshatriya who name was Phoolan devi, the famous bandit . Movie was made on her life by shekhar kapur named bandit queen which shows reality on UP rural.

    Today in north India, UP, bihar, Brahmins cant supress Yadav who were also once called backward supressed caste as they have become united, started giving importance to education, govt job and also they are enterpreneurs now. Same is for Kurmis who are now organzied that they can repulse the supression of brahmins and kshatriyas,

    • Vishal Saxena sir i agree with you, Upper three vernas are exploited lower three vernas, They need their service, shudra is only to provide cheap or free service to upper three vernas, If Sweeper comunity educate them selves they forget their sweeping job no one can do suhc type of job at the cheap or lowest cost. Uper three vernas are exploited shudra if they ask them if you drink, gambling and do other anti-social activities we all social bye-cut your community, in this movement thier females also support in this nobale cause. In Haryana state, Town Gohana 2 or 3 person killed a upper verna man and almost all the panchayatas and khaps of Haryana including indirectly support Top to bottom Govt. administration become together for the revenage and they burn all the Basti / Colony of that shudra community instead of 2/3 person,s house who involved in this case. If they can do such illeagal inctivities they also ask them forcibly to avoid drinking, gambling and other anti social ativities, This is one of the noble job for society and even development of nation. They they do it shudra become up the same status of upper three verna and then who provide service them at cheap aur lowest cost. So upper three verans are not agree for their development. They they become educated they demand more and more cost of their job and due to this they can improve their life style then upper class feek jealousy that is the main reason.

  20. Dear Agniveer,
    For the upanayam(yagnopaveetham) ritual, children of Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya varna are allowed. How was their varna decided and that too at an early age? I don’t think they could have decided their occupation at a tender age of 7-12 years. Kindly solve my doubt. I want to remain a proud Hindu.

    • Swapnil Sagar Sir, I agree with 100% a male/female child born in which invironment they learn the activites, accept and follow that activities happened in sorrunding, A brhamin child listen mantras and see other religious activites and learn, listen and accept them. A Akshatriya child also learn, listen and aceept like war stories and use weapson, A Vaish child also learn, listen and accept business activies happnend surrounding him and a shudra also see his related job like Lohar, Kumhar, Chamar, Julaha, Nai, Sonar etc. and also do the same. First part of education and second is occupation in the early age 12-15 years proper education is not completed in any circumstance, there is no question of occupation. upnayana sanskar they do three time first time at that time of age all are elligible. In that early age what is parameter to identify who is Brahmin, Askhtriaya Vaise aur Shudra. At this stage all are eligible but shudra not eligible at this early stage. Then why u ask Karma system. VEDAS are only fraud they work for shudras demotivation.

      Conclusion : Only birth verna system in available WHO ASK KARMA SYSTEM THEY TELL A LIE ONLY PAKHAD. THEY CANNOT PROVE KARMA SYSTEM IN HINDUASIM.

  21. namaskar
    i too agree the sudra term is a varna and not jati.
    the difinition for shudra is शुचा द्रावति इति शूद्र: one who suffers without knowing the value and the merit of knowledge. pl kindly refer the discussion between janasruti and rishi raigva.
    regards
    nandhitha

    • Nandhitha jee one who suffers without knowing the value and the merit of knowledge. Each and every person want knowledge Rama murder Shambuka provide reservation only brahmins and demotivate shudra for acquring knowledge. Is shudra responsible for this. Eklavya acquired knowldege in his own power but Dronacharya begging his thump and demotivate all shudra due to this they feared to acqired knowledge who is responsible for this. Only Hindu books, gods and Brahminis are responsible for this. JAB KNOWLEDGE ACQUIRE KARNE KA MAUKA MILA TO HINDUO KO NAGWAR HO RAHA HAI. SAWIDHAN LIKHNA BRAHMANO KE BOOTE KI BAT NHI THI WO TO KEWAL PAKHADWADI RMAYAN AUR GETA HUI LIKH SAKTE HAI. Verna made by GOD and jatis made by brahmins, In Geeta Krishana make a blunder mistake talking about Verna and divide humanity in four parts and after that Brahmins divide into four hundred parts. BHART KI GULAMI THE MAIN REASON YHI THA AUR YAHI LOG JIMMEWAR HAI.

  22. The vaishyas were businessmen and artisans. They provided essential services and generated wealth for the nation. The taxes they paid became the economic backbone of the country. The vaishyas had a limited sphere of influence graded on their monetary status. They had the dominion over wealth. But even they had to bow down before brahmins and kshatriyas and this shows that money power couldnt buy them higher status, as is the case today.

    The shudras were the people who were asked to assist the higher 3 varnas. These people were not intelligent enough to master scripture or fine arts to become brahmins. They weren’t bodily strong enough or couldn’t master the martial arts to become kshatriyas. They weren’t shrewd enough to run a business or skilled enough to be artisans. They had dominion over nothing. They were usually assigned with sanitation tasks. Even this was considered a service to society.

    The scripture says that every child is born a shudra. This implies the child is not competent to take up any skilled task. When he reaches 8-10 years of age, the child is evaluated for latent skills and assigned to one of the 4 groups. So the assignment of a child to any group is not hereditary but skill based. So even the son of a high souled scholar, a brave soldier or a influential rich businessman could be a shudra, provided the child has no skills. The son of a shudra could belong to one of the higher groups if he showed skill and enterprise.

    But the hindu society faltered when assignment of varna became hereditary instead of skill-based. This resulted in certain families being branded as shudras for generations, even if the progeny was highly skilled. This is called the caste system and not the varna system. So please understand to differentiate between the intentions and effects of the 2 systems. Fight against caste oppression but dont heap faults on the varna system. Like I demonstrated before, every society subtly follows the varna system of merit.

  23. Now, let us bring in the philosophical and historical angle:

    The brahmins were practitioners of spirituality in a primary role. They were scholars, teachers and advisors during their free time in an alternate role. They were the moral compass of society and could adjudicate during disputes, coz they were trusted to be god-fearing and impartial. The brahmins had maximum sphere of influence since they were the interpretors of scripture, advisors of kings and educators to society. They had the dominion over knowledge. The spiritual practices of the brahmins would be hindered if they were forced to fend for themselves. So the society would be kind enough to sustain them with generous voluntary donations. This shows that even the highest caste had to live on alms.

    The kshatriyas were the rulers, soldiers, defenders and enforcers of law. They alone would participate in a war and had to be prepared to give the highest sacrifice. The normal subjects would not be dragged in as collateral damage. This made more sense since the winning king would have the intellectual and economic structure still intact when he took over and wouldn’t have to start from scratch. He only had to deploy his soldiers in the annexed kingdom. Normal life would not be disrupted due to war. The kshatriyas had high sphere of influence since they were the rulers. They had the dominion over weapons. But even they had to bow down before the brahmins for advice. They had to tax the vaishya community justly for having the treasury and granaries stocked well.

    • The brahmins were practitioners of spirituality in a primary role only for themselves not for humanity . Brahamans and hindus were not allowed vaish and shudra to join army before 1833, not allowed shudra to take education, In veda and hindusiam to option to shift a shudra to another superiod profession and enter in the upper verna. Even not married in upper vrna girl. But upper verna male/famale can do all lower verna profession. THIS IS ONLY A MOVEMENT TO SAVE THEIR SKIN BY BRHAMINS REASON BEING NEW GENERATION HATES VEDAS, GEETA, RAMAYANA, MANUSAMRITY AND PURANS, FOR BRAHMINS THIS IS ONLY SAFE AND SURE WAY TO EARN MAXIMUM AND DOING MINIMUM WAY.

  24. Caste system is nothing but a social degradation/mis-implementation of the varna system. Caste is birth based, varna is merit based. Hinduism cannot be held responsible for this fallacy. It is a social issue wherein hindus stopped following the central tenet of varna system, viz merit and not birth, thus nullifying the system, but still persisted with the flawed system anyways. So the perfect varna system morphed into the terrible caste monster.

    You may be seated in India or US. Don’t you see that merit has more value in this world? For example, let us consider certain occupations. A scientist can invent/discover stuff that others cant even fathom. A soldier/policeman safeguards people and would give up his life, if necessary, in the line of duty. A chartered accountant or a retailer provides services based on certain skills. A garbage collector performs essential sanitation services.

    If not for the garbage collector, the city would stink and harmful diseases would spread.
    If not for people with specific skills and traders, the society wouldn’t generate wealth and the economy would collapse.
    If not for brave people such as the armed forces/police force, security would be threatened.
    If not for intellectual capital of a nation, there would be no scientific and technological advancements such as space missions and advanced disaster warning systems.

    What does that tell you? All the 4 occupations are important. But society grades occupations based on skill and sphere of influence. In your blind hate for casteism and anti-hindu propaganda, you are suggesting all occupations are equal. If that was the case, would you suggest equal pay for the scientist and the garbage collector? No occupation is lowly, but that doesn’t imply all occupations are treated the same. There should be dignity of labour.

    • Sir, I agree you with verna is merit base, but may be 000.1 and balance is birth base. A responsible person believe only the seen situation aur scientifically proved situations, Jati and verna all birth base, Ravana done only a mistake to caputre sita except this he is totally very humanative and helpful to humanity, but we killed him and we burn every year. Why…. Ramayana, Geeta, Manusamrity , Ruranas have lot of evils , that may be wrong or right, true or false, it is no matter about 98% indian follow and celebrate . In Ramayana shambuk murders, geeta krishan talked about verna system if arjun is akshtriaya he know to operate weapns but Eklavya also operate weapns better then arjun then why he become shudra reason being he born in a tribal community, Manusamrity have lot of inequalities then why you repeat again and again Vedas and birth systems . Parsuraman sharpa Karana in mahabharata because he born in akshatriya. Parsurama reserve the right for brahamana, Darona for Akshtrya by birth not by Karma. AAP HINDU DHARM KO KAHI SE SHURU KARO USKA END JANAM AADHAR PAR HOGA KARM PAR NHI.

      • You are correct Dalbir Singh ji. Caste system in India is based on birth and not on occupation [i.e. karam]. I have been saying that since long. Every caste is like an ethnic community or derived or claims to have roots from an ethnic community and every caste has its traditional history though said in mythical form [i.e. called ‘kula purana’]. This is the key to the longevity and almost indestructibility of the caste system. Also this caste system should have ante-dated the Aryan phase [whether Aryans were nomadic tribes from Middle East or indigenous etc. here not necessary] since the early vedic texts do not contain reference to the caste system and the purusha sukta in which shudras etc. are said to have born from the feet of that Purusha, etc. are of the later vedic times. It is like African tribes with their various and different cultural identities being assimilated in slave society under colonial masters and taking up Christianity but still hankering for their ‘roots’. Fortunately, unlike the Africans who were subjected to horrible genocides and almost obliteration of their culture, traditions, etc. here in Hindu society every caste has been allowed the freedom to work and operate in its own sphere, of course in a specific place in the hierarchy, but not totally extinguished [like the ‘Red Indians’ in North America or the natives in South America, ‘Bushmen’ in Australia, etc. etc.]. By this I am not denying that in phases of conquest the defeated tribes were not subjected to atrocities, massacres, etc. But the very philosophy or psyche inherent in Hindu society in general of shunning the ‘other castes’ and not ‘accepting and assimilating’ them has served as a boon to the identity and continued existence of these ethnic communities in different slots in the hierarchy. That is why you find many of the Western scholars and analysts in the late 19th and some even in early 20th century also lauding the durability, tenability etc. of caste system.

      • Sir, GOD, VEDAS, RAMA, RAMAYANA, GEETA, KRISHANA, PURANS, SAMRITIES ARE only for discussion, effect of thest have been seen only may be 1% in the sorrounding socities in all communities. We discuss here all good things requried for humanity but in the society totally opposite. Before 1833 there was no equality in any sephere and in any verna. British Govt. provide equality in 1833 after that shudra joined British Army. All superiors jobs are 100% reserved for upper three verna. At that time GOD VEDA RAMA RAMAYANA KRISHANA GEETA BECAME HANDICAPPED DEAF AND DUMB, who believe in VEDA why they become silent why they not takling about equality. Shudra was always explointed were hindu population in majority. In the present days maximum shudra exploitation cases from UP, Bihar, MP states.

  25. @Agniveer…Ohhh….dear…Really its sarcastic…taht u have only sighted lines…gud llines…it seemz a Brahmin is saying that…Dn wrry my Dear Sudra….ALL IS WELL””…bt m srry….its nt well….cz Brahmins had always molded d things according their luxury….WE All are Humen…Case…Religion sab Insaano ki gande dimaag ki soch hai

    • You are free to have your opinion. Vedas however do not consider anyone Brahmin or Shudra by birth. And see, you are abusing some Brahmins despite this article and there being no evidence that all Brahmins are your enemy. So you are full of hate and prejudice. How do you expect then that others will not show same behavior towards you that you are showing towards them?

      • Agnivir Sir, You are free to have your opinion.
        Who provide this freedom for opinion. Before entred Islam, Shuras have not free to have their opinion about baseless and inequal system of Hindusaim. For this very painful punishments are available in Manusamriti you can read and that was inplimented in all shudra and other verna. Even if a shudra has talent he has no right to shift in higher profession as per their will before 1833. After 1833 British Govt. provide this facility to shudra on merit basis and Sh. Mata Deen Bhagi and Father of Hon,ble Dr. B.R.Ambedakr joined Army. After 1833 no symtums of VEDAS were available in Hindusiam. In the Time of Krishana Eklavya become world’s Topmost DHANUSHDHARI what was the result each and every one knows. At that time what was doing VEDAs and their followers now a days who demanding equality. That was not on KARMA that was on BIRTH base abd merit base. Corruption and reservations started by Hindusiam and their GODs. This is not my views I read in Ramanaya, Geeta, Purans and Samrities.

        You are abusing some Brahmins despite this article and there being no evidence that all Brahmins are your enemy. So you are full of hate and prejudice. How do you expect then that others will not show same behavior towards you that you are showing towards them?

        Shudras are not begger, Brahamins are Beggers, Shudra demand for their rights being a human and that was Right o eucation without education man is like animal and they use Women and shudra like animal . Now shudra and women become educated and have knowledge more than brahmins this right provide British Govt. not VEDA or Brahmins, BRAHAMINS, AKSHTRIYA AND VAISH HAD ENJOYED RESERVATION THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND SHUDRA ENJOY THIS ONLY FEW YEAR COMPERATIVELY THAT IS NOT FULLY AT THIS TIME. CAN ANY VEDA OR VEDA FOLLOWER PROVIDE THIS FACILITY TO SHUDRA EQUAL TO YEARS THEY ENJOYED

        THIS IS ALSO RIGHT OF EQUALITY.

  26. @ Tamil: I am very keen to know that – is there any proper proof of the lines like ” vedantha was neglected by Brahmins”? if there are some proofs, are they written in English with limited knowledge persons in Sanskrit?

    Can you clarify me – Adi shankaracharya, Madhva charya etc., who wrote commentaries to Prasthana traya ( Upanishads,Brahma sutra and Bhagavad geetha) were Brahmins or not? If they were Brahmins, How can we say the above line.

    It is a rumor that – Valmiki and Vyasa were sudras who wrote and promoted Purana, Ithihasa Literature in Sanskrit. Is it true or false? If it is true why Sudras developed Brahmin culture? Why dint they oppose it?

    • It is a rumor that – Valmiki and Vyasa were sudras who wrote and promoted Purana, Ithihasa Literature in Sanskrit. Is it true or false?
      If it is true why Sudras developed Brahmin culture? Why dint they oppose it?

      Shudras and women exploited in hinduism, when u talking to any hindu about Shambuka murderer in Uttra Kand of Ramayana, he replied it is written in Tulasi Ramayna not in Valmiki Ramayana. There are lot of Ramayna in Hinduism the current version is known by Asha
      ramayna by Assha Ram recently available in Jodhpur Jail. There is no proof of valmiki who wrote ramayna, All hindus hate valmiki community and why respect Valmiki ramayana.

      Vayasa was the illeagal son of Prasar Rishi, During the time of river crossing by Prashar he raped daughter of Kewat and born illegal son called Ved Vayas, Have any method or education for identiying any person who is brahmin aur shudra. Thruough this brahmin cheated all humanity, All verna system and caste system is birth base, They set few examples for proving that verna system is on Karma base. Now we can say, HATHI KE DANT KHANE KE AUR DIKHANE KE AUR means double mouth snake. This is not my view available in hindu religious books and play daramas in stages.

      • @Dalbir,

        Sir, You are exposing Hinduism very well. Hindu are worst of people as per you. Please guide us what we should do now to be like you? I assume you are very noble person.

      • Dalbir Singh,

        I have seen guys like you post, but you know what, I never once seen you guys give one solution. Okay, you listed some issues, which I disagree with, but let’s even say they are all 100% correct, what is your solution. I really want to hear it. All you guys ever do is post problems, but never one solution. I are you to STUPID to come up with a solution. Do you lack the brain power to come up with a good solution. Are you a RETARD.

        Krishnarao

      • Krishanrao sir, Good monrning, Please now come to the point of solution, Solution of each and problem with Brahmins and Aryans because a nobel prson always believe in Karma system not birth. If a shudra become educated then he become Brahmin by Karma not by birthcan Aryan or brahmin married their daughter with a that person who is shudra by birth and Brahmin by KarmaTiil date I have never seen any case. Now come to the solution.

        An aryana or brahmin first married their daughter to a shudra by birth and Brahmin by karma and first prefeence to poor educated and help financially for their upliftment. This system motivate all the shudras male for qcquiring education and each and every one be educated. and second he married his/her son with daughter of shudra by birth and brahmin by karma, i mean to say educated girls of shudra. This first generation feel differences between verna system after 2 or 3 generation all are become equal and then talk about eauality and reservation automatically finish. Then our Prime not begging technology and financial assistence for Bullet train to Japan.

      • @Dalbir,

        __________—- If a shudra become educated then he become Brahmin by Karma not by birthcan Aryan or brahmin married their daughter with a that person who is shudra by birth and Brahmin by KarmaTiil date I have never seen any case._________________________

        There are many case like this. My Boss is a Vaishya. He married to his daughter with Shudra by birth but a Brahimin by deeds. My brother is Vaishya by birth but he is Shudra by deed so we get him married with Shudra girl.

        Varna System prevails in all society of the world. Saudi Arabian believe themselves Brahimin (Superior) so they not give their daughter to non-Arab Muslim because they believe them Shudra Muslim.

      • Krishna Rao sir, There are very few cases available in our society need to increase more and more, There are some other factors working here like less sex ratio of female, female is job. In north India vaish community have an evil of dowry, poor vaish families who have not fulfil vaish boy demand then married their daughter to shudra family. This is not a matter of Vaish and Shudra also Brahmin and Akshtrya by birth and karma also.

        Saudi Arabian muslim never allow education to their daughters, and have plenty of money for their livelyhood, India also face the same stage when there is no right of education for women. If arabian muslim girls become educated then they also choose their life partner as per their convinent.

      • You are right Krishana Rao jee, Arabia muslims believes in by birth superior. When a shudra convert into cristian he beocme 100% father in a church, In sikhism he can become 100% Granthi in Gurudawara, If he convert into Budh he can become Monk. But a shudra never become Brahmin/Pandit after reading and follow veda, geeta ramayana etc.etc.so shameful for humanity. There are lot of tamples in India where only by birth brahmins are allow to enter even. Even in ISCON foreigners are adopt it and they are more dedicated , Honest, faithful and do better than Hindus/Brahmins for this organisation, but they are also treated inferior than Brahmin/Hindu the why Krishana Bhogwan not come for justice. There are y 100% reservation of by birth Brahmin without merit why they are crying for SC/ST/OBC reservation and talking about equality, HATHI KE DANT KHANE KE AUR DIKHANE KE AUR.

      • @Dalbir

        Dear Dalbir, I have solution to your all problems if you really want to get rid from Varna or birth Caste system whatever you may call this. If all people of India convert into Islam they would become free from the clutches of caste system and social injustice. And it is very easy. You can do this by reciting “Shahada” and change your identity by changing your name into any preferable Arbian Name. In the past many people of Indian sub-continent did this. Today 25 Crore Muslim of India 20 Crores Muslim of Pakistan, Many crores people of Bangladesh and Afghanistan are free from the clutches of caste system and living life of self esteemed.

      • Shuruat to kisi na kisi ko karni hi paregi, Ak chalega tabhi kafila banes ALLAH HU AKBAR

  27. janmana jayate sudrah
    samskarad bhaved dvijah
    veda-pathad bhaved vipro
    brahma janatiti brahmanah
    “By birth one is a sudra (lowest caste), by the purificatory process one becomes a dvija (higher caste), by study of the Vedas one becomes a vipra, and one who knows Brahman is a brahmana.”
    The four class which was created as brahmin,kshatriya,vaishnava and shudra was not class it was a cycle of life. pls read from down shudra ( innocense), vaishnava(learning to earn),kshatriya ( fighting for life) and in the end comes brahmana ( means after innocence, learning, struggling for life , human being gains lots of knowledge thats wen u r in the end of u r life thats when u r called the knowledgeable person) ,thats y every person in life asks suggestion with eldermost person in life .

  28. ok, let us not use words such as rapist…., let us behave in accordance of our scriptural facts, as santan dharma is a plularist faith

  29. this site aims to misinterpret Vedas:
    http://www.islamhinduism.com/hinduism/analysis/200-caste-system-in-hinduism
    e.g.”In Vedic times, there lived an untouchable people in a village named Kikat, in todays Bihar. The used to rear cattle. Obviously to the Aryans this was a crime. So they invoked their warrior god Indra to wage war against them and loot their cows.

    किं ते कर्ण्वन्ति कीकटेषु गावो नाशिरं दुह्रे न तपन्तिघर्मम |
    आ नो भर परमगन्दस्य वेदो नैचाशाखं मघवन्रन्धया नः ||

    “O Indra, what do the cows make for you among the Kikatas? They neither yield milk for your offerings, nor do they warm the vessel of libation. Bring to us these cows, bring to us also the wealth of Pramagand (their King). O Brave one, grant us the possessions of the people of low status.” [Rigveda 3:53:14]

    On the basis of this clear pronouncement, non-Aryans and untouchables have no right to keep cows. Aryans, whenever they wish can kill them and appropriate their possessions. Hindu culture thus becomes the culture of the progress, civilization and welfare of the Aryan people alone. The pathetic plight of the untouchables of India was due to instructions like these given by Hindu scriptures.”
    Can the learned rebut these

    • @dogra

      Idea of Rigveda mantra 3/53/14- Amongst the ignorants like who are follower of rapist, pedophilia personality, the cows are not taken care of/nursed, hence, the number of cows does not increase there. Similarly, the good qualities and righteousness does not progress amongst the killers of cow. So, to avoid this path of hell, belief in to do righteousness is required to be popularized.

  30. This is awesome. I must say. For spreading this to everyone, we all must be very thankful to you. Keep it up.

    Namasthe!

  31. I don’t understand why one should blame Gandhiji for giving the name Harijans instead of applauding him. Actually Gandhi only adopted a name already current in Gujarat and applied it countrywide. What is so denigrating if one caste is called children of the God which that name means? He wanted to convince the upper castes that it is not good to ostracize them or oppress them since they are also children of the God. That was his way of dealing with problems. Even Ambedkar did not fight with him on this name until very late in the day, it seems. Actually the word, Dalit, which means ‘cut off’ is rather insipid since it only points out to a condition already existing and not to an ideal or ethics which should be achieved. And now we see, even many or all backward castes (OBCs) are also sought to be brought under that ‘dalit’ category, diluting the efforts to identify the problems of the most downtrodden or ostracized sections of the society.

    • MALLIKAARJUN SHARMA JEE Happy day,

      Question: I don’t understand why one should blame Gandhiji for giving the name Harijans instead of applauding him. Actually Gandhi only adopted a name already current in Gujarat and applied it countrywide. What is so denigrating if one caste is called children of the God which that name means?

      Reply: Are u children of God, your reply yes and all hindus also replied yes they why you write sharma with your name why not you write MALLIKARJUN HARIJAN. None of Hindu like to write it with his/her name. Why? Only a particular comunity of Shudra write. Why? Listen carefully meaning of Harijan. In Hinduism AASHARAM KANYA AND DEV DASI system is available before the birth of RAMA. It means donate a young female to an Ashram or Temple for serving GOD. Dev Dasi system is also available in Southern india in the recent time. There are lot of example of Raja’s who donate groupe of females to brahmins and they sexually harass them and during this process illegal born babies called HARIJAN. It is real meaning of Harijan not Children of God. If it means children of God then everyone feel proud to write Harijan with his/her name. Gandhi always cheat lower caste, if he, Sardar Patel and Nehru give piece of land to shudra for their livelyhood, Nobody demand for reservation. They give pakistan and Bangla desh land to Muslim and muslim landlords also available in india but Gandhi and party cheat shudra by not giving a small piece of land. Their forefathers always serves the upper caste but muslim always hate and beat them.

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  33. socalled brahmans is due to divide and rule policy of the britishers. after indepedence it should have been repaired but it has even been spoiled more.

  34. ….shudra or vaishya (yes, either of it) he could become a Brahman or vidvan or scholar if he had the talent. so the point is, one could only claim a varna if he worked according to that or had a job and talent congenial to that.. that doesnt mean that everybody would be any four of these.. if one doesnt work he cannot be classified among any of these four. And, women were not included into this system because men used to work in professions while women only had to be part of household. there could be a very rare females who were ascoaited with literary work. But that cannot be taken as a profssion. So while one has a profession he must stick to it although he’s free to skip.. to avoid mayhem, rules wre laid later in society to prevent chaos. but that didnt mean that one could be celebrated r hated only on basis of his birthname or family. But this did happen in course of time, and it can happen because of human weakness.. that, one dealing in flowrs, Gods, temples, itra etc is acceptable than a sweeper, worker, labourer. It was and it is indeed the biggest crime by us, all of us, because the Dharm is for everyone and it must be taken to every member of society.but it was forgotten because nobody questioned the wrongs initiateed by the socalled Brahmans.
    So one, they were not brahmans actually because there possibility of only 9% of a true Brahman and atmost 30% including who can be “like Brahman”. This is astrological deliniation.. the above mentioned classificarion is not correct fuly.
    The varna system was only an academic division not bound by family name..but in distortions it led to communities, caste which is totally wrong. having a caste is not wrong but laying supremacy or inferiority with birth or a particular caste is a sin.. but this sin has been perpetuated. The proper teaching to every member was a responsibility of the pandit or brahman=one invovled in worship etc but that was not done. The curse of untouchability has come with muslims and the state dictated dominancy of today’s…

  35. ….the most intellectually evolved, learned and with the highest enlightenment. Brahman could only be one person because tatvagyan cannot be acquired by every learned man. Other learned could be called as Vipra, Dvij (any one put into education after diksha sanskar was a dvij ), pandit etc.. so Brahman cannot be ascribed to everyone. Thats why vidvan is used. Now beside the King and the mukhya vidvan ie Brahman all other were equal..they all four classification varna were decided on their work=performance. In a single family as been quoted from rigveda= 9.112.3 there could be multiple varna of people in the same family. the varna are traits, qualities, propeties, characteristics, talent for a particular task.. so that meant you cannot pass it to your children. You can preate your child but you cannot make it what you want and it can never become of our varna only by being your child. varna doesnt carry in generation. One may inherit field and plough but that doesnt make him a vaishya or shudra, one may inherit sword and shield but that doesnt make him a kshatriya.. but the most important fact is … all born ar shudra, means we all can perform the job of a shudra ie. working and thriving by using our hands or physical work. many of us can work like vaishya means doing trade like opening a shop, some lesser can become kashatriya or warriors.. not everyone can go to army or police. But the very small group of humans are the one who can be brahman or pandit, vidvan, vipra, jyotishi, vaidya, etc etc.. I again say, Brahma is a very evovled state of learned men=pandits who wre the greatest seers like Kashyap, Bhrigu etc etc. All Brahmans have to be celibate or unmarried. They could or they had only disciples, no children. Even though they had children they couldn’t become brahmins by birth only. This was known in those times because jyotish was widely known and accepted in that time. social mobility was possible as family name might not direct one’s own varna.. so one from a family where his fathefarmer ie. a…

  36. What Agniveer says is the truth in many rights.
    We must know that The socalled Hindu dharm..it’s not actually Hindu or sanatan dharm to be precise. Dharm doesnt form in a day nor even in a century. The Dharm that we claim dscendence to, although has distorted totally, was substantiated and matured in Gupta period the most dominant influence by Emperor Chandragupta dwitiya Vikramaditya. The socalled varna system is very advanced distribution of labour to obviate any conflicts or confusion which describes the basic traits with which all humans are born with and which can even be confirmed by jyotish. Now, intially the King ie. Vikaramaditya was akin to God who prevail;ed over all social systems.. so it had vidvan, kshatriya, vaishya and shudra. Its karm based division that doesnt pass on through blood or birth. After the decline of the most powerful empire in history of Bharat and world (ancient) small empires succeded and it was combined with invasions from non Aryan namely Shaka, Huns etc and the Mugals or muslims. the huge upheavel after 800-1200 AD has had the biggest disaster on Bharat including social system. It must be known that most of kshatriyas and socalled brahmans were killed in rampages by muslims and only left were of the Hindus who were not actually socalled brahmans or kashatriya. But only they survived to lay hold the decree on themselves with no super authority to question them. lakhs of temples, gurukuls, varsities wree destroyed, crores were killed or converted so the essence of dharm at that time was decimated. “chachnama” is actualy recorded history of the tyorments of the mugals in their own words. I have the copy of it in partial form. any system wears out with time, the fragments are many a times are remembered as the whole. Our country Bharat or Aryavart has suffered a lot and also the dharm which can better be called Aryadharm… the curse of casteism, untouchability were one of the most indignant faces including submission and mass ignorance. Brahman is the highest order means…

  37. Also plz see Lord Macaulay’s address to british parliament.
    The one which clearly shows the need of divide and rule policy and which promotes the need of propgandizing Aryan Invasion Theory (Truth or Not?).

  38. Nice and not Nice.
    !st- clear that those caste are not birth one but a convention of human system, nothing to do with equality
    2nd-some people do not falls under these four category like Sramanas,The great Jinas,and Sanyasis.
    Its easy to see how this system evolved to present day caste system.See-
    In India even today it is beleived that a Doctor son will be docto, PCS son will be PCS.(Its very true happening right here but since we now live in open globalised world it may not evolve more than that)
    My mother has always seen Mechanics and Ricksawallas as not much deserving,Why-No work is less or more if it fullfills ones need,they are important too.
    Its better too look for our present and shape a beautiful future than bothering about The Great Indian history which in turn a Bizzare History where Aryan Invasion is seen as Fact but in outer world its not more than a theory which never got full proof and rock support.
    Also don’t say those Idologist were Bad They were not, they may have been biased unintentionaly ‘couse of there earlier education and culture were earth is said to form only 2000 years efore christ.

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      • @shabeer
        You are fool how dare you put blame Mohamad did sex with a child. But Mohamd never did sex with any child less than 16 years old. & Aisa was daughter of Mohamad. Mohamad was a divine personality and he was aware sex with less than 16 years is a sin. You want to denigrate Mohamad. You are Kaffir.

  39. @adolf
    that the new miracle,that morality depend the time/place.you think the quran.1400 years people follow it,there is no change in it.

    if the morality depend the time/place that make lot of contradiction.

    1)Hinduism hasn’t a static rules and regulation,is it?

    2)who give the new rules and regulation?

    3) there is time different the new and old rules,that way,what the way of salvation about them?

    • @shabeer,
      >>that the new miracle,that morality depend the time/place.

      Yes morality depend on time and place, it is perfectly acceptable for a muslim man to marry 4 women/teens but not accpetable in all other religions/cultures even in west.
      Westeners take it lightly if a girl sleeps with many before marriage, but it is not acceptable to muslims/hindus
      It is ok for a muslim to kill for blashphemy of muhammad but it is not ok for a budhist/hindu or christian to take life of a person just because some one said budha/krishna/jesus as bad characters.
      Even in pakistan a pure land for muslims not all who comitted adultery are stoned to death whereas iran wants to implement it.

      >>Hinduism hasn’t a static rules and regulation,is it?
      The ideals/goals of vedas are static, but the deviations and acceptable behaviour by society is never static.

      >>who give the new rules and regulation?
      generally society gives and accepts.
      for shivaites and lingayats guru gives,
      for others old text books give, but all morals must confirm to the equality/sacredness/non destructability of jeev atma.

      >>there is time different the new and old rules,that way,what the way of salvation about them.
      The basic rule i.e you should treat others equally never changed. The other rules like polygamy, punishment by the society for deviants changes.
      The idea of salvation in hinduism is different for different schools of thought. However the hindu goal is not at all like islamic idea of salvation. Hindus do not expect countless virgins/alcholic drinks as muslims do.

    • Shabeer says

      1)Hinduism hasn’t a static rules and regulation,is it?

      There are 33 crores Devi Devtas can you belive, these devi devtas devide all the hindus and after that and each and every devta wants hero and due to this there is no rules and regulation each and every Hindu free to become god, devta and create a Satsang Mandli for their earning soruce. There are thousand of social reforms who hit the hinduism like Guru Nanak Dev, Kabir ji, Ravidas ji, etc. Hindus rules always expolited poor people like shudra and also women.

      2)who give the new rules and regulation?

      Hindus have lot of books like Ramayna, Geeta , Purans and Samrities, which lot of stories of shudra and women exploiation like, shambuk murder by Rama, Eklavya, Karna exploitation etc. Now when we asked them about such hateful activies, they replied YE TO KISI NE MILAWAT KAR DI HAI, they do not know and reply clearly about their holy books. Brahmins always create new rules and resulation as per their self benefit instead of nation or huminity. Some Hindu told education are for everyone. But brahmins follow manusamriti ask education is totally ban for shudra and female. They exaploited women and shudra lakhs of years since the time of Rama. No hindu knows about the purites of their holy books.

      3) there is time different the new and old rules,that way,what the way of salvation about them?

      Barahmins always cheated Akshatrya, Vaish and shudras because they have no right of education due to this they cheated laks of years now they become educated and avail few facilites as per their constitution now brahmins ask equalities. Brahmins forefathers stupid and idiet why they not demanded equality when Rama murder the Shambuka and Dronacharya beg thumb from Eklavya. Brahmans always cheated the humanities this is main reason for the generation of thousands of Satsang, new religions and conversion and Bharat become slave

      • @Dalbir

        Sir, You have explained many things about Hinduism. Please guide us what we (Hindu) should do now?

      • Sir, Now a days handsome and well qualified boys and girls available in each verna may be more or less. If an Hindu or Arya family come ahead and take initiative for inter verna or inter caste marriage from top verna to bottom verna and bottom verna to top verna. A brhamin married her daughter to Shudra verna and then a shudra verna married her daughter to Brahmin verna. Solve all problem and respect each other.

  40. Hindus have faith in the Vedas as “sruthi” or divinely revealed and therefore true for all time. So why aren’t the orthodox Hindus actually practicing what the Vedas teaches? Why aren’t they offering sacrifices of cows, horses etc to the Vedic gods like Indra, Rudra and so on? Why do they not eat beef like the Vedic Aryans did?

    Seems like a case of hypocrisy to me. There are no real Hindus left. Those who call themselves Hindus are really practicing a different religion. Call it Puranism, or Saivism, or Tantrism or whatever but don’t call it Vedic Hinduism.

  41. ‘chandalan’ and ‘shudra’are equal to street dogs. (Chandokya Upanishath 5:10:7). A reading of the Manusmrithi and the Parasharasmrithi will serve to show that the attitude and conduit adopted towards them was crueler and wicked than that shown to the animals.

    Observe the punishment prescribed by the Apasthamba Dharma Sutra:“The Sudra who kills a Brahman must be burnt to death slowly by immersing him thrice in fire. However, if a Sudra is killed by any, it would be sufficient to award one year imprisonment and a fine of twelve cows as penalty.” (As quoted by Krishnananda Swami in ‘The Caste-Wars in India’, P.94)

    All the laws in the ManuSmrithi are, in their formulation, based on the caste system. This deplorable tendency is evident throughout the laws which sanctify the position of the Brahman while, at the same time, debase that of the Sudra.Wide disparity exists in the punishment prescribed for a
    Brahman who commits a crime and the punishment for a Sudra who commits the similar one. Briefly then, these laws were not framed for the whole of humanity; they are meant for a society wherein caste system prevails.

    • @Shabeer

      Please put the verse not translation. The verses you have mentioned are not part any scripture. I think you ownself write anything in the name of scripture. If I write Allah is fool & cruel entity (Kuran 5:15), it can not be proved true without mentioning original verse with it. Do you understand.

      • @Aryavratasth
        He might have picked the ‘chandalan’ and ‘shudra’ words from a well known verse in gita which says – a realized man will not differentiate between a learned pandit , a chandala, a dog and dog eater.
        By supressing the sentence upto pandit , abrahamic religions are trying to portray that chandala=dog.

      • a first class reply my friend,this is the method to escape the truth.i think u r hindu,u have no of veda that i specified there,open it,read it i give the verses no.if not prove the exact veres here,that a morl way of answering……………………..i expecting the valid replay…..

    • @shabeer
      >>Chaturvarnyam Mayasrishtam guna karma Vibagusha
      This is called categorizing people based on their gunas and karma(which influences gunas). There is no mention of birth based caste here
      >>Shreyan swdarmo viguna para dermal swanushtithal swdarmea nidanam shreya paradarmo bayavaha
      I will give the interpretation of ramana maharshi( a hindu saint) for this.
      “swadarma here means abiding in the self and doing our duty without atachment to results”
      deviating from the natural state causes fear which may be the meaning of paradarmo bayavaha.

      Can i ask you why are you trying to write all these verses? A hindu can reject all these verses and still remain a hindu. Hinduism is not like islam where one will be put to death just because a person uttered “I am truth”. Infact many hindu text openly prescribe to reject everything(even a personal god) and find out what they call “THAT”.

      • “swadarma here means abiding in the self and doing our duty without atachment to results”

        who claim it? can you give a authorised scripture about it?

        “Infact many hindu text openly prescribe to reject everything”

        that means some verses in the veda r created by somone is it? u agree?

      • @shabeer
        >>who claim it? can you give a authorised scripture about it?
        a person called ramana maharshi interpreted it – http://talks-with-ramana-maharshi.blogspot.com/2007/05/talk-58.html
        authorization – hindu have no central structure to authorise, different people can differ without the guilt of going to hell.

        >>that means some verses in the veda r created by somone is it? u agree?
        No what i mean is knowledge of god is not got by reading books or repeating some verses from veda.
        It should be gained by experiencing, and one of the popular way is to reject everything (neti) which is not you.

      • @Shabeer : Once you raised the same question, and I have answered you with word by word translation. What the hell are you ? You could not answer my replies. And after a long time you are pasting the same garbage. Are you really want truth ?? This attitude shows your nature. This proves, you are really worried of the truth, and you just cant dare to accept the truth.

      • @akhi
        you never replay perfectly,my intention not about harasment of religion,i respect all religion,theit civilisation,cuture and veda.

        but veda and upanishid cantain no of verses against the moralility,i pointed out here,to response my hindu friends.

      • @Shabeer,
        >>but veda and upanishid cantain no of verses against the moralility

        Morality is subjective and changes according to time/place. The basic moral rule is “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you”.
        The meaning of the below verse of gita even goes further and ask to consider every living being as equal.

        vidya-vinaya-sampanne
        brahmane gavi hastini
        suni caiva sva-pake ca
        panditah sama-darsinah

        So if you consider something as not accaptable in veda, reject that verse afterall god is the guide of all. hinduism is not a book based religion like islam or bible which condems every non believer to hell.

  42. the Kshatriya his punishment would be fifty coins, if he insults the vaishya it would be twenty five coins and if the Shudra, twelve coins ”
    (Manu Smrithi 8:267, 268)

    Slavery existed in ancient India as a part of the rigid caste system that prevailed here. The caste system which originated as a result of the hegemony of priesthood continued to be an essential part and way of life of Hinduism. It is in the Rig Veda which is accepted as the most important of the Shrutis that we find the first seeds of the concept of caste system. (Purusha verse of the Rig Veda 10:90:12).It was but natural that under the caste system that was based on the reference in the Rig Veda that “the Brahman is created from the head, the Vaishya from the hands and the Sudra from the feet of the Parampurusha”, the Brahman was considered highly and the Sudra of a lowly stature. All the books of Hinduism have only sought to justify the caste system.
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    SUPPRESS LOWER CAST PEOPLE III:

    The Bhagavath Gita, which is known to be the book of shruthi of modern Hinduism, has itself said: “Chaturvarnyam Mayasrishtam guna karma Vibagusha
    ” (4:13). this means that, “I have created the four castes according to the division of their deeds.” It was natural then that the one who was created from the feet of God was destined to a life of foot-service alone. Indeed, it was believed that the sudra was specially created for the very purpose of service alone. The religious scriptures had taught that one is born of a lower caste owing to the sins of an earlier life and that if one is to attain salvation at least in the next life, he is to render service to those of the higher castes and employ himself in keeping them satisfied in this life.“Shreyan swdarmo viguna para dermal swanushtithal swdarmea nidanam shreya paradarmo bayavaha” (bagavath geetha 3:35). The Chandoupanishad has compared those of the lower caste to pigs
    And dogs. From the Upanishath we can understand that…

  43. beat him with scourge. if he steal kill him(punishment of Brahmin only bind his eye with cloth one or two hours).if he have desire to sexual affection with Brahmin girl, first cut his sexual organ, then capture his asset, then kill him. If he hearing the Veda captures him, cut the Tongue, pour the melted lead to his ear. ”
    (Swami krishnanada: aparthed system in India page 93-95)

    NB:These verses indicate that ‘Brahmin’ is not belongs to his ‘karma’, it belongs to his ‘janma’.we can see from Upanishad “born Brahmin yoni” and “born shudra yoni”.
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    SUPPRESS LOWER CAST PEOPLE II:

    Hindu religious scriptures, however, do give out the call to violence and injustice. For instance, in the Kaushithaki Brahmanopanishad Indran is quoted as saying, “Na’Mathravadena na Pithravadena nasthayena na broona hathys nasya paapam chana chakrasho mukaneelam vetheethi (3:1)
    (Even if my people were to kill their mother and father; even if they were to steal and to practice infanticide; even if they were to commit such sins, they are to feel no remorse. Their faces should never be down-cast)

    During the period of Ramayana Brahmin never died their lives. A Brahmin visits the palace of Rama; his complaint was that his son died. Raman discuss his pundit acharya,they know that a shudra(Shambukan)Penance for getting heven.Raman cut his head at mean time Brahmin boy got his life.

    What we saw from the story is Raman was an ideal person?

    There is nothing that is despicable in the legal prescription
    Of the Qur’an. However, in some of the other religious scriptures there is a clear distinction between a person of a higher caste and another of a lower caste. For example, consider the punishment prescribed by the Manu Smrithi for insult and abuse: “ The punishment for the Kshatriya who insults the Brahman is one hundred coins; for the Vaishya it will be two hundred coins and for the Shudra it will be the whip. If the Brahman were to insult the…

  44. SUPPRESS LOWER CAST PEOPLE

    ” avidhom shchiva vidoscha brahmano divatham “(narada smrithi 9:317)

    “A brahmin, whether he scholar or madman, believe that he is god”

    ” dushelo pi dhijo pujanitho shudro jidendriya “(parashra smrithi 8:33)

    “a brhmin Butcher is better than scholar shudra ”

    “A Brahmin equal to god, they must forcefully suppress the lower cast people make them their slaves” (manusmrithi 9:317)

    ” shakthanopi hishudrana na karyo dhan sanjaya “(manusmrithi 10:129)

    “shudra no right to education (Veda) and earn money”

    ” visrabdham brahmana srudad dravyo padanama charathe nahi thasyakthi kinjith swom barthey harodhanohisa “(manusmrithi 8:417)

    “If they (shudra) have any asset, Brahmin must forcefully recapture the entire asset from shudra”

    “If shudra talk against the Brahmin suddenly cut his Tongue, if he try to beat (action is enough) to Brahmin by his hand or leg, Brahmin suddenly cut that (hand or leg) body part as soon as possible “(manusmrithi 8:279-283)

    golwaker says about manusmrithi “this is the social law that world ever and never saw like that. None of principle likes it.”
    (Golwaker: From the Red fort grounds)

    From bagavath geetha Krishna says that”i create four castes for different quality and duty. ” chathur varnyam maya srishtom guna karma vibagasha “(bagvath geetha 4:13)

    Krishna says “different cast have different duty “(bagvath geetha 8:41-45)

    “When a Brahmin killed the shudra jailed him one year and 12 cow penalty. But in case of shruda killed the Brahmin punishment was different killed him three short period with fire”
    (gowthama dharmasuthram Ibid page-95)

    “The Hindu Veda and Upanishath never give permission to shudra, women and other low cast Hindu, to prey temple and study the Veda and science”
    (Indian Express 4-4-1988)

    “If a shudra walking with Brahmin, beat him with scourge. if he steal kill him(punishment of Brahmin only bind his eye with cloth one or two hours).if he have desire to sexual affection with Brahmin girl,…

  45. Yajurved 20.17:
    Whatever crime we have committed against my village, forest or committee; whatever crime we have committed through our organs, whatever crime we have committed against Shudras and Vaishyas, whatever crime we have done in matters of Dharma, kindly forgive us relieve us from the tendency of the same.

    Respected Agniveerji,
    Thanks for the very inspiring website about our Dharma.
    1) The above mentioned verse mention crime against shudras. Does that mean there was heirchy and curbing mindset even during vedic times.
    2) What was the need of the varnas, its not of any benificial atleast in the current era.
    3) Did the sages who wrote vedas had no insight about the future implications of these varnas.
    4) Whats the solution?
    5) Whats your say about reservation?

    Our saints seemed to have insight about evrything apart from the caste sysytem. They have got evrything right, but for this one varnas.

    • This shows the guilt complex of the persons praying. It shows that the persons praying are different from Shudras and Vaisyas. They could be Brahmins or Kshatriyas or some other groups we don’t know. But they realize that they have committed some crimes against Shudras and Vaisyas and they ask for forgiveness from the (supposed) Almighty. So one has to deeply think as to what crimes they had committed or could have committed against Shudras and Vyshyas and who are they? This is my reading of this verse or saying as posted herein.

  46. Treatment of Shudras in the Vedas Compared to Later Hindu Scriptures

    This comment addresses the treatment of shudras in the Vedas and discusses the 17 mantras that have the word shudra in them. Historically, Hindu (Arya) society was divided into four separate groups (varna) namely brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya and shudra. Shudras included persons who were laborers; those who were neither educated nor skilled and performed work for the other groups. Originally, there were no untouchables; however, eventually those members of the shudra group who performed the most unpleasant tasks, such as cleaning the latrines or cremating the dead, became designated as such. The shudras belonged to the bottom rung of the society and were often treated with disdain. This was justified on the basis of the Hindu scriptures and its origin was and continues to be attributed to the Vedas. All Hindus regard Vedas as the root scriptures of their beliefs.

    By the 8th century CE, the accepted belief in Hindu society was that Vedas were so sacred that only brahmins, kshatriyas, or vaishyas were eligible to learn them. The Shudras were denied the opportunity to hear or learn Veda mantras and if they persisted, they could suffer severe punishment e.g. the pouring of molten lead into their ears (athāsya vedamupashrnvatastrapujatubhyam shrotrapratipoornam Shankara Brahamsutrabhashya 1:3:38; Gautam Dharma Sutra 2:3:4). Shankracharya, Ramanuja and others supported this belief and the practice of denying Vedas to the shudras remained the acceptable norm and faith in Hindu society until the 19th century CE.

    What do the Vedas actually say about the shudras? The 17 mantras with the word shudra in them are as follows: Rig Veda (10:90:12); Yajur Veda (14:30; 18:48; 20:17; 23:30; 23:31; 26:2; 30:5; 30:22; 31:11); Atharva Veda (4:20:4; 4:20:8; 5:22:7; 10:1:3; 19:6:6; 19:32: 8; 19:62:1).

    Yathemām vācham kalyānim āvadāni janebhyah.
    Brahma-rājanyābhyām shudrāya cha aryāya cha svāya cha aranāya cha. (Yajur Veda 26:2).
    The message here is that the Veda mantras are for the welfare and prosperity of all human beings including brahmins, rulers, shudras or vaishyas, as well as whether they are our kin or strangers.

    Rucham no dhehi brāhmaneshu rucham rājsu naskradhi.
    Rucham vishyeshu shudreshu mayi dhehi ruchā rucham. (Yajur Veda 18:48).
    Lord, Give or bestow radiance (luster) to our brahmins, rulers, vaishyas and shudras. Give me radiance so that I too may become radiant.

    Priyam mā darbh kranu brahmrājānyabhyam shudrāya cha aryāya cha.
    Yasmai cha kāmyāmahe sarvasmai cha vipashyate. (Atharva Veda 19:32:8).
    Lord, you are darbh—the destroyer of the wicked enemies. Make me dear to the learned, rulers, shudras, vaishyas and those whom we desire and all those who have different outlook.

    Priyam mā kranu deveshu priyam rājsu mā kranu.
    Priyam sarvasva pashyat uta shudra utārye. (Atharva Veda 19:62:1).
    Make me dear to the learned, rulers, shudras, vaishyas and all who see me.

    Yadgrāme yadaranye yatsabhāyām yadindriye.
    Yachchhudre yadarye yadenashchkramā vayam yadekasyādhi dharmani tasyāvayajanasmasi. ( Yajur veda 20:17).
    Lord, whatever sins we may have committed in the villages, in the forest, in meetings, against the shudras or vaishya, against any aspect of dharma, may you help us overcome our sins or shortcomings.

    Brāhmanoasya mukhmāsid bāhū rājanyah krtah.
    Madhyam tadasya yad vaishyah padbhyām shūdro ajāyata. (Atharva Veda 19:6:6).
    The brahmin is His (Supreme Person’s, Lord’s,) mouth, the raja is His two arms. The vaishya is His middle (abdomen, belly); the shudra is born of His two feet.

    This mantra is usually attributed as the basis of disdain for the shudras because it states shudra is born of Lord’s two feet. Let us look at the symbolism used in this mantra while describing the Supreme Person and varnas. Mouth is for talking, implying that learned persons are the spokesperson for the Lord or Society. Mouth is also the entry point for food, it makes sure that food is of good quality, but it does not hoard it, instead it passes food on to the abdomen (vaishya). The arms are our means of doing work and protecting ourselves. They help us get food but they again do not hoard it, instead they pass food on to the abdomen. Abdomen (vaishya) is for digesting the food (or wealth), and distributing the digested food (wealth) to all parts of the body (or society) to provide them with energy to do their work, but not to hoard it in the abdomen. A thin waist is better than a big potbelly as far health is concerned—obesity causes disease. The feet (shudra) support the body (or society). The labor of the shudras is what supports all societies. Feet or legs are integral components of the body, they support the body and help it move; we do not cut them off. A footless body can not move easily. Most Hindu devotional bhajans (songs) speak of praying at the Lord’s feet not at his head or mouth. The temple priest gives Prasād of Charnāmrit-food that has touched the feet (not head) of the moorti (icon) of the Lord.

    Brāhmanoasya mukhmāsid bāhū rājanyah krtah.
    Ūrū tadasya yad vaishyah padbhyām shūdro ajāyata. (Rig Veda 10:90:12, and Yajur Veda 31:11).
    This mantra essentially states the same as the previous mantra except at the beginning of the second line word Ūrū which means large, thighs or abdomen has replaced word Madhyam (middle, abdomen) in the previous mantra.

    In the remaining nine mantras which contain the word shudra, the shudras are treated with due respect as the other varnas. Because of the space limitation, these mantras are not described here further but will be discussed later.

    Until the 19th century CE, hereditary brahmins were considered the learned and controlled learning among all classes of Hindu society for over two thousand years. The Brahmins, with the support of the ruling classes, successfully used selective scriptures and unscrupulous interpretations of earlier scriptures along with the pretext of divine religious authority to deny shudras the opportunity of learning, thereby preventing them to improve their social status in Hindu society.

    In the 1840’s Mahatma Jotiba (Jotirao) Phule became an outspoken advocate for the rights of shudras on the moral grounds of equality. He started a school for shudra girls to emphasize this concept of equality. Brahmins heavily criticized these actions of Phule as being against teachings of Hindu scriptures. Since Phule was not well versed in scriptures he could not provide an adequate scriptural defense. Beginning in the 1870’s Swami Dayanand Saraswati, a learned Brahmin, used the authority of the Vedas to challenge the religious authority of the brahmins and the misdirected faith of Hindus in what he considered to be wrong interpretations of the scriptures. In his books and lectures, Swami Dayanand promoted the idea that scriptures and beliefs that are against God’s benevolence for all, or are against the teachings of the Vedas should be rejected. He encouraged all varnas of the Hindu society including shudras to learn Vedas and to have faith in truth alone. Fifty years later Mahatma Gandhi championed the rights of untouchables. Following the independence of India, equal rights for all varnas became the law, even though untouchability is still practiced in many parts of India.

    Although the unfair treatment of shudras in Hindu society is often attributed to the Vedas, in fact it can be ascribed to later prejudicial Hindu scriptures as well as the unscrupulous interpretation of the earlier scriptures.

  47. The BIGGEST LIE MUSLIM TELL is there is no caste system in their religion and PERVERT PSEUDO HISTORIAN ROMILA THAPAR’S also lied that Islamic Invasion also helped in mellowing down the effects of caste system Infact it become strong after Islamic Invasion. Ashraf muslims consider themselves superior to lower caste Ajlaf Muslims and Arzal Muslims are considered untouchables. Pakistan is more casteist than India that is proven by infamous Mukhtaran Mai gang rape case by upper caste muslims and many other cases like this. Salman Taseer killing has also casteist touches because Mullahs cannot digest a man from business community challenge the power of clergy . In Pakistan untoucability is practiced even in urban areas the shias, ahmediyas, Hindus are considered untouchables and Sunni Muslims do not share their food with them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims

    • For all the Ambedkar Fans, the bad news is that the man has been thoroughly Exposed in the classical work of Arun Shourie in his book– “Worshiping False Gods.” Every myth regarding this “great” man has been busted with -DOCUMENTARY- Evidence. A must read…
      Dear Brother Sameer, these historians of our country are the biggest traitors, they have DESTROYED AND RUINED OUR HISTORY. Their is one D.N. Jha -from the stable of communist perverts who wrote a whole book asserting that eating BEEF (Cow’s flesh) had been a norm in India since “time-immemorial” and that it was only after 19th century that people like Swami Dayanand stood against this “ancient” practice!!! Imagine the brazenness of these retarded “self-styled intellectuals”. This fellow does not see Lord Krishna, whose love for cows is infinite!! There are many more of his kind in their community, who “unfortunately” are burdened with writing history TEXT-BOOKS for Young Children!!!!!!!!!

      • कृषिगौरक्ष्यवाणिज्यं वैश्यकर्म स्वभावजम्।
        परिचर्यात्मकं कर्म शूद्रस्यापि स्वभावजम्॥१८-४४॥
        Agriculture, rearing of cows and honest
        exchange of merchandise — these constitute the
        natural duty of a Vaisya (a member of the trading
        class); and service of the other classes is the
        natural duty even of a sudra (a member of the
        labouring class). (BG – 18.44)
        .
        loed krishna on duties of vaishya..[:)]

      • Pratap Brother I am not a fan of BR Ambedkar, Muslims have penchant to quote BR Ambedkar regarding Hindu Caste System so I am giving them their own medicine that Ambedkar himself has said that Muslim Caste System is worse than Hindu Caste System. Yes you are very correct communist historians are fifth column communities except in islamic countries these communist historians use tactics of disinformation in their Target country so that people feel inferior about their national identity and adopt communist identity.

      • Beef eating stoped in 19th century ????????????
        must be jocking to light down the mood.
        Even in Vedic a milking cow was agahan can not be killed only bulls and non milking cows were.
        Vedas hailed people who were vegetarians, the sramanas and the atheist too.
        Cow eating stoped even before buddha (Jinas have been credited) mostly because it prooved soooooo profitable live and also because Jinas.

  48. Atharvaved 19.62.1:
    May all noble people admire me. May kings and Kshatriyas admire me. May all look at me with admiration. May the Shudras and Vaishyas admire me.

    हद हो गई मूर्खता की इस मंत्र मे यज्ञ करने वाला ब्राह्मण यह अग्निदेवता से कह रहा है की -हे अग्निदेव ! आप हमे देवताओ व राजाओ का प्रिय बनाए , शूद्रो आर्यों आदी सभी दर्शको का भी प्रिय पात्र बनाए ।

    बंद क्यूँ नाही कर देते यह सब कल मे आकर इस पोस्ट के एक-एक मंत्र का सही अर्थ बताऊंगा ।

    • Agniveer admins:

      Pls don’t pay heed to this idiot. He is simply translating the Christian Missionaries’ (read Griffith’s) translation into hindi.

      See this – http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/av/av19062.htm

      Griffith’s translation – Make me beloved among the Gods, beloved among the Princes, make me dear to everyone who sees, to Sūdra and to Aryan man.

      Now see what this idiot has done —
      -हे अग्निदेव ! आप हमे देवताओ व राजाओ का प्रिय बनाए , शूद्रो आर्यों आदी सभी दर्शको का भी प्रिय पात्र बनाए

      I shall expose this idiot on facebook now. he is not a hindu, but a missionary in disguise of a hindu name !

    • Anyone who knows English and Hindi even a bit would know that you have written only what has been written by us in the mantra meaning in English.

      Please first clear your stand on women and birth-based caste system and right to study Vedas and do yajna. Only then will we allow any future post from you on the site.

  49. My opinion is caste system has evolved as a historical process due to trade associations. These trade associations were the centres of specialization in various trades as there were no training institutes in the way they exist today. It was easy for a young member of a family to learn the trade skills from the other elder members. Slowly, these trade associations make their own rules for fostering these skills but in course of time even the marital relations were being established with the members of the same trade associations. This marital relationship with another member of the same trade facilitated the incoming of further skilled person in the same trade. In course of time these rules were made strict and gave birth to castes. That’s the reason we see all the castes attached with certain occupation such as goldsmith, blacksmith, washerman, milkman, carpenter etc. It’s preposterous to think that one fine morning a Brahman woke up and promulgated his own list of castes and the king implemented it throughout the Aryavarta. Even today the castes are evolving. For example, the castes of politicians and industrialists and they are going to the top most echelon of the social order.Of course, we need to do a lot more research.

    • @ Satyenji,
      Namaste

      I agree with your opinion and it is similar to Ram Swaroopji’s

      http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/what-caste-actually-was-like/

      There can be many other interesting point of views. However, Caste-ism: how it evolved, is one amongst several other complex questions. In my opinion, Universities/research institutes are the best places to study it. And this must be extensively promoted. However, open debates at any public forum does create awareness.

      If we try to find out any positivity out of Caste based division in the society. In my opinion, it has helped to some extent for newly wed couple to adjust easily in each others family. Because, people of different castes does tend of have slightly different living styles and to some extent beliefs as well.

      But in modern times, the concept of joint-family system is already vanishing at fast pace. Even in villages, its hard to find large joint families these days. Further due to job commitments or for education purposes, younger generation usually move out of their native place. This trend is very vividly visible. Other sources like Bollywood, TV, internet etc. is slowly working towards creating a mix of culture (without getting noticed). All this will continuously work towards diluting any such rigid customs in the future
      .
      Thus the only advantage that I could possibly think of will also do away in near future. In fact, I believe over a period of next few decades caste-ism will definitely loose its grip on the society.

      Apart from the above mentioned minor positivity, which itself is doing away very rapidly, Caste-ism is a menace to the society.As a progressive and educated society it is expected that our elected politicians must work cohesively with the communities (nation wide) to abolish Caste-ism completely. And I am quite sure, if our politicians/government shows some will in committing itself for this purpose, caste-ism can become a remote history in few generations (between 50-100 years).

      Unfortunately, majority politicians in modern day Bhartiye politics are extremely weak and short-sighted.
      They do not have confidence in their abilities to win elections by raising other issues.
      Likes of Mayawat, Mulayam and Laloo firmly believe that Caste based political agenda is the only center point to win them Chief ministers kursi. These types of politicians wants to keep this menace alive longer.
      Although it has been turning out true for them so far, but it won’t last long.

      Dhanayad

      • @VikramAditya
        I liked your post indeed.. but
        ‘Bollywood, TV, internet etc. ‘ these are the biggest disgrace on India in my opinion. Because of these many Indians are busy in their self sensual enjoyments, without caring about neighbours sorrows..

        I don’t want to get into illegal relationships and their effects..

        Already india is devoid of purity of husband & wife relations. I fear that sooner mother’s love will be scarce in mother India as west..

  50. Thanks brother, You are doing a great job. You are a true follower of Sanatan Dharmja. Sir, our Hinduism was greatly misinterpreted and mistranslated.

  51. The brahmins and oother upper castes would be happy if they are made SC/STs in today’s India for getting reservation benefits. Even the Dalit Christians and Dalit Muslims want reservation benefits!!

  52. According to me when one is born he is identified as male or female and all other identifications are society enforced like nationality, religion and cast group. When one has the right to change his nationality if he settle in other country, when one has the right to change his religion as per his choice, WHY NOT ALLOW CHANGE OF CAST GROUP?

    Nationality is a general identification based on the birth place. Even for changing the nationality in a foreign land one has to full fill so many conditions and also to wait for long time to get the changed citizenship. It is not something like dipping you in bath tub, putting a cross dollar in the neck and saying from to-day you are a Christian. The majority becomes minority and he is eligible for all the minority benefits. Is it logic? Cast & religion are based on who gave birth to you and it is permanent and can not be changed. If change of religion is justifiable by law then change of cast group is also justifiable. I am willing change my cast group and want to announce that I am converted to dalit community and except the government to provide all the reservation benefit. Is it OK ????????????

    • @vedamgopal

      Reservation has nothing to do with Caste-System, they (women, SC) were so suppressed so to up lift them the reservation is introduced…
      But even Ambedkar wanted it to remove after specific time.. Other wise it will be reason to hold on with this stupid birth based caste system..
      You are talking about nationality, its utterly mistaken by you.. even charley chplin knew it long back, this was created by selfish economists… who wanted to up-hold imperialism with national boundaries and currency manipulations.. (similar to the birth-based caste system)
      FYI: I know many Raos, Reddys or so called brahmins & kshatriays hold fake SC caste certificate for reservation..

      As advaita vedanta says no barriors buddy.. even I believe male/female differenciation is invalied on spiritual plane..

  53. Varna system is a universal phenomenon and existed throughout the world. Swami Vivekananda also confirms this in his writings about the world historic events. Only in India we have given a specific name for the Varnas & framed certain set of rules. (Spiritual advisors or Gurus, warrior class or ruling class, business class and working class) But this system is vanished everywhere including in India to-day. Now every body belongs to working class only.

    Like Varna system cast system is also existing everywhere throughout the world. But except in India other countries restricted this within that group and kept this classification away from society and Government. Cast classification are self made by a group of people based on the place where they lived, work they do, religious customs and tradition they followed, mannerisms they practice within their family groups, annual prayer to their hereditary deity etc., They meet during the religious functions and family functions and exchange their well being. Identification of suitable boys and girls within their group for marriages. The group village chief will give rulings for any dispute. For severe crime the person is debarred from the community. It is a greatest shame in those days and they loose respect in society. It is self sufficient and self controlled system as long as it is separated from society and Government. Hindu society has got a common worship place and burial ground. Where as in the cast less Abrahamic cult they have separate worship places and burial grounds for different groups.

    Varna system collapsed in India during Muslim invasion and there were only a few cast groups till the arrival of British rulers. Due to divide and rule policy of British this cast system given entry into the society and Government. A well planned and planted discriminative attitude sowed by them grown up to-day beyond controllable limit due wrong reservation policies and the full benefactor is politicians even to-day.

    Whatever cast discrimination or atrocities committed on dalit in India is very negligible and much harmless. Only the politicians and media are exaggerating for publicity and political gain. When compared to the atrocities committed by the Abrahamic cult throughout the world in the name of religion, racism, slavery, witch haunt, jihad, inquisitions, colonization etc., shows voluminous historic record killing crores and crores of people, destroying their customs and culture. Their venomous mind set to exploit the world is not changed till to-day. Both are applying different types of strategies every where through back door and creating unrest for mankind. Hence cast discrimination in India is a negligible factor to be ignored. This will vanish once the reservation quota system is removed. Introduction of creamy layer system definitely helps to eradicate the so called cast discrimination if at all any thing is existing. Politicians are finding difficulties to get political gains through cast divisions. Hence started appeasing minorities

    In fact the biggest unfortunate crime in India is minoritisms. Every politician is exploiting in the disguise of minortism and cheating the majority in-turn looting the countries wealth, creating unrest everywhere. This is worst than the cast discrimination and the minority identification to be abolished immediately.

  54. There was no caste system in ancient India during the Ramayana or Mahabharata period.It was just that some sections of vedic civilisation were called as Mlecchas or Sudras who did follow vedic rituals thats all.But Mackualay was searching for a small point to capitalize and divide India on basis of caste system which would make it easy for British rule.Hence the western historians propogated the ancient hoax of caste system practiced in ancient India.

    • @ Nakul:

      You forget the story of Karna…i think…….thats why you are speaking like that…!!!

      Sir..please read that also…they belong to Mahabharatha…!!!

      • SSS you are the biggest Jerk I have ever seen on one side you say you hate Brahmins and on other side you worship MAHABRAHMIN RAVANA (Ravana was called Mahabrahmin) you pakistani.

        I think you who has forgotten the story of Mahabharata the prime minister of Hastinapur and Indraprastha was VIDUR who was a DASI PUTRA and LORD KRISHNA was from lower caste. So there is no Caste System in Mahabharata.

  55. Bhrahman means narrator of knowledge or Vedas ,Khatriya means worrier ,Vishya means Business class and Shudra means Owner of land. Four verna means Knowledge,sword,money and ownership of land should not be possessed by an individual at a time.

      • Chanakya was brahmin while Chandra gupta was not,Amatya Rakshas was brahmin while Parmananda(evil king) was sudra.Why only Brahmins were protrayed as most wicked.If we look even on post vedic and pre buddhist we will see that they were most poor, was not allowed to own land, forbidden to do agricultue, can not ask gold or aspect favour from ruling class,and were just made to live on fruits and grains given by others.Only when people started thinking that education is better than warfare they gain respect.
        Also Sadhus and Sanyasies were never brahmins.

  56. Perfect Kapil. When someone writes stuff using quotes then he can always leave the bad parts. If caste system was not even there why was a Karna from Mahabarath so humiliated by all the great people in the courts of Hastinapura by the "good hearted" pandavas.
    More importantly what is that Arya samaj all about? provoking division by projecting Aryans were superior than than the dravidians and other natives?? or is it something that was started to restore the brahmin superiority???

    • 1. Do you have any proof that the story of Mahabharat you read today is what actually happened 6000 years ago and there has been no changes in the text?
      2. Do you have any proof to claim that whatever happened during Mahabharat era was strictly as per Vedas?
      3. Can you cite a single mantra from Vedas that justify birth-based caste-system?
      4. Have you even read any Arya Samaj text ever? Can you cite one single line from any Arya Samaj text which project Aryans as superior to Dravidians?
      5. Do you even know the meaning of Arya?
      6. Do you know meaning of Brahmin and do you know how it is defined in Vedas and Arya literature?

      Your hatred against Vedas prove that either you are in league of Jaichand or Ghori. In either case, you deserve the same treatment from all who believe in reason and facts. It is so interesting that no one could provide a single fact to counter any fact in all the articles on Agniveer site and have merely come up with these spiteful comments!

      Angira
      AEB

    • 1. Do you have any proof that the story of Mahabharat you read today is what actually happened 6000 years ago and there has been no changes in the text? 2. Do you have any proof to claim that whatever happened during Mahabharat era was strictly as per Vedas? 3. Can you cite a single mantra from Vedas that justify birth-based caste-system? 4. Have you even read any Arya Samaj text ever? Can you cite one single line from any Arya Samaj text which project Aryans as superior to Dravidians? 5. Do you even know the meaning of Arya? 6. Do you know meaning of Brahmin and do you know how it is defined in Vedas and Arya literature? Your hatred against Vedas prove that either you are in league of Jaichand or Ghori. In either case, you deserve the same treatment from all who believe in reason and facts. It is so interesting that no one could provide a single fact to counter any fact in all the articles on Agniveer site and have merely come up with these spiteful comments! Angira AEB

      • Agniveer Sir,

        1. Do you have any proof that the story of Mahabharat you read today is what actually happened 6000 years ago and there has been no changes in the text? SIR, EXCEPT BOOKS AND TEXT THERE IS NO PROOF IF ANY HISTORY THAT IS FALSE OR TRUE, YOU SEE GOD, UR FATHER SEE GOD, UR GRANDFATHER SEE GOD, NO BODY SEE THE GOD BUT EVERY BELIEVE GOD IS SOMETHING WITHOUT ANY PROOF. THERE IS ALSO NO PROOF ABOUT VEDA AND THERI ORIGINALITY AND PUREITY.

        3. Can you cite a single mantra from Vedas that justify birth-based caste-system? SIR, HAVE ANY MANTRA IN VEDA WHO FINISH CORRUPTION, POORTY, ILLETRACY INEQUALITY FROM INDIA AND CAN WE GET BLACK MONEY FROM SWISS BANK THRU ANY MANTRA, IF VEDA SOLVE OUR PROBLEM THEN WE BELIEVE OTHERWISE BOTH ARE PROOFLESS.

        5. Do you even know the meaning of Arya? SIR, MEANING OF ARYA IS NOT GREATER THAN THE MEANING OF HUMANITY, ALL HUMANBEING RESPECT THE HUMANITY THEN THERE IS NO NEED TO KNOW THE MENING OF ARYA.
        6. Do you know meaning of Brahmin and do you know how it is defined in Vedas and Arya literature? SIR, VEDAS BRAHMIN MEANING YOU KNOW BUT HISTORY PROVES THAT WHO DIVIDE THE HUMANITY AND RULE IS CALLED BRAHAMIN, PLEASE SEE UR SORRUDING IN BHARAT.

        We are not league of Jaichand or Ghori. SIR HAVE YOU ANY PROOF OF JAI CHAND AND GAURI , THIS SI ALSO A STORY IN BOOKS IN THE SHAPE OF TEXT LIKE RAMAMAYNA AND MAHABHARTA, THEN WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JAI CHAND AND GAURI, THIS IS NOT FARE, I THINK YOU WANT TO PROVE HATHI KE DANT KHANE KE AUR DIKHANE KE AUR.

      • Dalbir Sir,
        1.UNESCO’s recognises Vedas as the oldest corpus of poetry, philosophy and myth transmitted orally generation by generation. Vedas were recited using a special method of recitation which is akin to modern error correction and detection codes. This feature has allowed it to be passed on from generation to generation for many millennia without the introduction of errors.
        3. Yes, I would mention just one mantra, Satyamev Jayate. It means, Truth always triumphs. If people could affix this mantra completely in their minds then we would never face the problem of corruption.
        5.Yes, I agree that the meaning of Arya is not greater than humanity but is certainly helpful for it. Arya means a noble person. If all of humanity could become Aryas(nobles) then the world would certainly be a better place.
        6.Indian history certainly proves that the Britishers, Mughals did divide and rule, not Brahmins as they were not the ruling class. Kshatriyas were the ruling class.

        Therefore, I think the case of Dalbir Singh itself proves that ATHI KE DANT KHANE KE AUR DIKHANE KE AUR.

      • Sir, A sub agency of UNESCO’s also publish three survey reports during the last 4-3 month regarding Human Capital, Social security and social service. In these reports our neighbour countries are far far better then Aryans and that countries are Bangla Desh, Bhutan, Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka. Nobality cannot be seen and talking about nobal person. Developed countires do not know about VEDA and their mantra they are more honest and nobal then us why not we.
        If people could affix this mantra completely in their minds then we would never face the problem of corruption Can you affix this mantra in the mind of Hindu or Aryana MLAs/MPs/Business community/Public dealing officials, never. No body cannot believe it. Vo vedo ko Dho rahe hai maan nhi rahe. Good things liked by everybody, if vedas are good then accept all hindus. But now a days only few people see here.
        Indian history certainly proves that the Britishers, Mughals did divide and rule, not Brahmins as they were not the ruling class. Kshatriyas were the ruling class. You are 100% wrong if brahmins unit all then nobody have dare to attack on us, we are divided by Brahmins and resulting everyone attack of us. First four division in verna and after that thousands of division in castes. Verna and caste system available before the Mughals and Britisher everybody know.

  57. Were caste equations always as bad as they are today? Not quite. There were always castes but they were not backward.

    A noted Gandhian, Dharampal visited British & Indian archives and reproduced reports of Surveys undertaken by the British in Bengal, Punjab and Madras Presidency (1800-1830). According to Collectors reports reviewed by Governor Sir Thomas Munro on 10/3/1826, of the 30,211 male school students in Madras Presidency 20% were Brahmins and Chettris, 9% were Vaishyas,50% were Sudras, 6% were Muslims and others were 15%. Madras Presidency then consisted of areas that fall in modern day Tamil Nadu, A.P, Orissa, Kerala and Karnataka. Another report by J Dent, Secretary, Fort Geroge dated 21/2/1825 stated that out of 1,88,680 scholars in all collectorates of Madras Presidency Brahmins were 23% while Sudras constituted 45%.

    Startling as it may sound, these percentages establish that Sudras not Brahmins comprised the majority of students and scholars. How & Why do the Backward Classes find themselves in the situation they are today?

    Before British rule, traditionally, educational institutions were funded by revenue contributions made by the community and State. About one third of the total revenue (from agriculture & sea ports) was assigned for the requirements of social & cultural infrastructure (including education). This system stayed mainly intact through all previous political turmoils. The British, however, increased the quantum of land revenue and adversely changed the terms of payment for the community. They centralized collection of revenue, leaving hardly any revenue to pay for social and cultural infrastructure.

    Further, the means of the manufacturing classes (small scale enterprises or SME in today’s parlance) were greatly diminished by the introduction of European goods. Craftsmen especially those engaged in the making of cloth, manufacture and mining of metals, construction work were through fiscal and other devices reduced to a state of homelessness.

    Sapped for funds, educational institutions and manufacturing classes became history, leading to grave consequences. One, it obliterated literacy and knowledge amongst the Indian people. Two, it destroyed the Indian social balance in which, traditionally, persons from all sections of society appear to have received a significant degree of schooling. Three, this destruction along with economic plunder led to great deterioration in the status, socio-economic conditions and personal dignity of those, now known as scheduled castes; and to a lesser degree, that of the vast peasant majority encompassed by the term ‘backward castes’.

    From about the end of the 19th century, various factors began to attempt a reversal of the results of British policy. This led to what are now known as backward caste movements. The manner, in which their objectives are presented however, seems to suggest that the ‘backward’ status they are struggling against is some ancient phenomenon. In reality, however, their cultural and economic backwardness (as distinct from their ritualistic status on specific occasions) is post 1800, and what basically all such movements are attempting to achieve is the restoration of the position, status, and rights of these peoples prior to 1800.

    Dharampal wrote in ‘Rediscovering India’,“For the British, as perhaps for some others before them, caste has been a great obstacle, in fact, an unmitigated evil not because the British believed in casteless ness or subscribed to non-hierarchical system but because it stood in the way of their breaking Indian society, hindered the process of atomization, and made the task of conquest and governance more difficult”.

    The interest in caste peaked around 1891 when the census came out with what were termed as Index of Castes. The word ‘caste’ is of Spanish origin and fails to capture the meaning of the Indian term,“jati,” which more properly translated as “community.” Jati in traditional India promoted and preserved diversity and multiculturalism by allotting every jati a particular space and role in society so that no jati would be appropriated or dominated by another. America, which has long glorified the ideal of a “melting pot” of one assimilated culture, is now coming to see the value of the “salad bowl” model, in which different cultures co-exist in harmony. The epitome of this model was the Indian jati system, revealing that our ancient practices are relevant to the modern world. Moreover, the jati system was integral to the survival of the Indian nation: in Swami Vivekananda’s words:“Caste is an imperfect institution no doubt. But if it had not been for caste, you would have had no Sanskrit books to study. This caste made walls, around which all sorts of invasions rolled and surged but found it impossible to breakthrough.”

  58. The status based mis representation was introduced later to abuse hinduism. Caste system is based upon the Job you take – Your Karma (Thoughts, speech and Deeds). Many people moved up and down the caste system on the basis of their Karma.

    Both Valmiki and Vyasa, who wrote the Ramayana and Mahabharatha, belonged to the lower castes. Veda Vyasa who put order to our Vedas was a sudra. The sage Vasishtha was a shudra and he became sage later in life. One of the hymns from the Rg Veda states that one's caste is not determined by that of one's family or birth. "I am a sage, my father is a physician, my mother's job is to grind the corn." -Rg Veda 9.112.3

    Performance of his duty as a service to the lord almighty, purifies a human being and gives him reward – here on this earth and hereafter as well. Duty of a serviceman is to serve his company with all his best of abilities. There is no force in it. Consider yourself not a servant of a human – but a servant of God/Allah. Through practice and experience and skill in his duty, he will be purified. He will be rewarded by God in his material possesions – here in earth and also beyond it.

    Caste system is as follows:
    ============================
    These are four designations which a human is naturally born with. Teacher,soldier,tradesman and serviceman(or employee). These are four thinking hats. This is the way our thought process will turn in regular life. If I want, I can learn good techniques and improve my thoughts and status as well.

    For example, I am born to a soldier(kshatriya) father but my varna is Shudra(employee). Does this mean my father started hating me? No. My younger brother is born in teacher(brahman) varna. So performing my service with diligence will bless me here and hereafter. While living in this world – this is the pattern in which my thougths will flow.

    If you provide me your Name,place of birth,date and time of birth, I can predict how your thinking will be in general life. You can always learn and improve your thoughts,speech and deeds and improve your life here and hereafter:
    1) Brahmin Varna : Person whose Birth Rashi is Cancer or Scorpio or Pisces is considered Brahmin by Varna in Hindu Vedic Astrology .
    2) Kshatriya Varna : Person whose Birth Rashi is Aries or Leo or Sagittarius is considered Kshatriya by Varna in Hindu Vedic Astrology.
    3) Vaishya Varna : Person whose Birth Rashi is Taurus or Virgo or Capricorn is considered Vaishya by Varna in Hindu Vedic Astrology.
    4) Shudra Varna : Person whose Birth Rashi is Gemini or Libra

    Horroscope is an important part of hinduism and as a child is born the very first thing is to get the horroscope. In earlier times, people were able to get the complete information about past lives also – so you can know why you were born as in your varna and how can you improve yourself – here and hereafter.

    karuraham tatobhi shagupal prakshini nanA |
    nAnAdiyO vasooyavO (a) mugAyiva tasthi mendrAyandO parisrava ||

    "I am a poet, my father is a physician and my mother grinds corn on stone. Being engaged in different occupations, we seek wealth and happiness as cows seek food in different pastures"

    This shows the utter lack of class consciousness in Rigvedic period.

    Now let us take up the Purusha sooktam. Translation to the mantra of Purusha Suktam (RV 10.8.90) mantra 13

    brahmano(a) sya mukhamaseed, bahoo rAjanya: kruta:|
    uru tadasya yadvaisyo padbhyo sudro ajAyata||

    The brahmin became the head of the Purusha. The Kashatriya became its arms. The Vaisya its torso and the sudra its legs.

    The standard interpretation is that of the brahman 'becoming' the head of the Purusha (not 'springing up from' as given by European mischief indologists). The previous mantra 12 in purusha suktam says

    " when the Purusha was sacrificed( vyadadhu:) , into what forms he was made ? What became of His head ? What became of his face ? What is said of His Arms ? What are said of His Thighs and feet ?"

    So the verse 13, is a continuation of the 'what became of ' line of enquiry .

    The mantra 13 (which is being used by anti Hindus and all and sundry to denigrate the Varna system) is in fact a straightforward hymn on the nature of classification of people on naturally existing principles.

    As regards the Gita: Krishna says in Chapter 4, sloka 13,

    chAturvarnyam mayA srushtam guna karma vibhAgasha: |

    The four characteristics which classify people based on character (attitude) and Action are created by me.

    This is the correct meaning. Krishna says here 'varnyam' (characteristics) and not 'varnam' (classification). Look at the missing 'y'

    And lastly I come to the Jati। This is the achilles' heel of our country in general and our religion in particular. You will be surprised to learn that the Jati classification was made during the 3 rd to 10 th century when Buddhism died out and the returnees made out sects for themselves in Hinduism. But here again, the Jati is different from 'caste' as coined by the British.

      • @munmun : the point is that there is no such thing in the veda. even if brahmins did that , they were wrong, but that does not implicate the scripture in any way.

      • @munmunsarma
        Why don’t you have 2ndlook at http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/
        According to one of its articles it was British who made Brahmins vs lowcaste.
        We have many shudras who became Brahmins and written epics like Ramayan,Mahabharata,etc.
        Vishwamitra was Kshatriya became Maharshi(Brahmin) and his sons were Shudras.
        1000 year rule by “Desert bloc” has manipulated our customs so much that we forgot that once upon a time we practiced absolute free speech.

  59. If Ambedkar instead of making false claim that Arya Samajis are wrong , if he had gained knowledge from the books of Maharshi Dayanand Saraswati and spreaded Mahashi's knowledge(which is true forever) everywhere, then probably casteism would have stopped at that time itself and we could have seen the "Golden Era of Vedic Culture " once again!!

    • Brother, I do not blame Ambedkar completely for this. He was quite in line with Arya Samaj ideology in principle. His initial writings depict the same. But as time progressed, he had developed an image as a Dalit leader. Thus he became a prisoner of this image, and feared that he would lose his different identity and political following if he agreed to that. He knew that Manu Smriti is full of adulterations and plethora of shlokas in Manu Smriti clearly proclaim equal rights of Shudras, refusal of birth-based discrimination and tougher punishments for non-Shudras. He knew that this is in line with Vedas. But he continued his biased diatribe against Vedas and Vedic legends. This was partially due to his false image and followership and partially due to a significant number of so-called upper caste people trying to retain their birth-based supremacy. Had Ambedkar sided with Arya Samaj, or had at least tried to be genuine to best of his knowledge, this divisive casteism would have been extinct by now. Nonetheless, I appreciate Ambedkar for his dalit-upliftment efforts even though he failed to provide a true direction to this movement due to his prejudices.

      • "Nonetheless, I appreciate Ambedkar for his dalit-upliftment efforts even though he failed to provide a true direction to this movement due to his prejudices."
        No. Actually, he rubbished the Aryan Invasion Theory and provided a true direction to the movement. He wanted Dalits to get this AIT out of their heads so that they can be properly integrated in hindu society. Todays Dalits dont read hios books and simply parrot the AIT as taught to them by political v vested interests.

      • I agree on this point. He was completely against Invasion Theory. And his initial writings were close to Vedic view. But he digressed later a bit. For example, he continued to condemn Manu instead of acknowledging that the controversial verses were clearly adulterated. Many Arya Samaj leaders did gave him this evidence, and perhaps he admitted to it on a few occasions, but he continued his diatribe against Manu, and not only present Manu Smriti. Similarly, he well knew about adulteration of Ramayan and that Uttar Ramayan is completely fake. He also knew the truth of Purans. But he used these to write in detail to try to prove that Ram and Krishna were illegitimate, drunkards, womanizers and what not. I understand that his hatred was against casteist forces. But he drifted so much in his bias that ultimately he became a Buddhist, rejecting Vedas and Vedic concepts.

      • @anand
        ‘Todays Dalits’ who are they???
        It might be you..
        and who are ‘todays other varnas’??
        It is foolish to finger at one and say he is this varna, and act as learned of Vedas or non-biased philosophy..

        @Tamil great work buddy…
        But Adi Shankara was Vedantist.. isn’t he? And I am not sure about he killing buddist monks..

        @agniveer
        honestly you (none) of you replied to Tamil as learned people; some showed up with again their shit here.. Vedas the Truth blah blah.. I don’t want to see it in articles but in the behaviour of commentors also.. till then I don’t consider none of you as believer of humanity, equality forget about understanding Vedas..

        I didn’t even got reply from you about ‘Sapinda’ northindian & southindian differences…

        Commentors I expect more honesty & morality; I want see influence of Vedas in your actions don’t just limit them to articles please…

        thanks..

      • @shravak
        Thanks
        I thought I would get mail notification but didn’t got so.. I thought it was not replied..

      • @VivekanandaInsp

        hmm…a sincere advice to you, do not post comments in haste here. Before reading the articles of Agniveer.com first read about the project Agniveer. what’s it purpose? Don’t be in a rush. They are not running a crash course here. You have to be patient. And remember the part ‘unleash the legend within’. AND “They don’t promise to answer everything. They merely help you seek the right questions. The answers lie within you. Let the discovery begin…”

      • @anand
        ‘Todays Dalits dont read hios books and simply parrot the AIT ‘… what about great learned todays ‘brahmins & other casts’ are they away with untouchbility…
        if dalits mug-up AIT its not big deal they learnt a history fact wrongly..
        But if great learned upper caste people still maintain untouchability.. they are real demons according to vedas..

        ‘that is why Gandhiji saw to it that he resigned from the fund set up to do away with untouchability’
        If gandhiji honestly wanted to erase caste system he could have but he didn’t even after many others request.. He wanted birth-based caste system to exist..
        If learned people like Gandhi (a god man) does that then it is very obvious that common humanitarians like me (who move away with situation) to burn vedas as arjun killed Bhishma to protect justice…
        When Gandi gave new name to shudras as ‘Harijans’ foolish people rejoiced; indeed it is another disgrace.. Read Savarkar comments on Gandi’s attitude towards caste-system

    • I dont see where he has made that claim that Arya Samajis are wrong. Can u pls pinpoint? Further, he actually acknowledged that Swami Shraddhanandji was genuinely interested in eliminating untouchability and that is why Gandhiji saw to it that he resigned from the fund set up to do away with untouchability.

      • Refer this from "Who were the Shudras":
        "I am not sorry for this clash with Arya Samajists. The Arya Samajists have done great mischief in making the Hindu society a stationary society by preaching that the Vedas are eternal, without beginning, without end, and infallible, and that the social institutions of the Hindus being based on the Vedas are also eternal, without beginning, without end, infallible and therefore requiring no change. To be permeated with such a belief is the worst thing that can happen to a community. I am convinced that the Hindu society will not accept the necessity of reforming itself unless and until this Arya Samajists' ideology is completely destroyed. The book does render this service, if no other."

        I do not want to question Ambedkar's sincerity to Dalit cause, but do feel that he got bit too biased against foundations of our culture.

      • @agniveerji

        Tamil created doubt in me..
        Are Veda and Upanishads separate??
        I thought Vedas contain Karma Kanda + Jnana Kanda
        Karma Kanda – just mantras, rituals etc..
        Jnana – Upanishads and Philosophy

        Please make it clear..

        Thanks

  60. @Anand…
    Brother..

    You said "If any leader in the 40s and 50s opposed the Aryan Invasion Theory, it was him. ………………."

    Please read the "Riddles of Rama & Krishna" by Ambedkar..
    http://www.ambedkar.org/riddleinhinduism/21C.Ridd

    Here he mentions that among the aryans there were marriages between brothers and sisters.."
    and Rama and Sita were brother & sister…

    Now we all know that Aryan does not refer to any race.. It means "noble"..

    Please read Stephan Knapps book on "Aryan invasion theory debunked" where Stephan And David Frawley have provided many proofs and debunked Aryan Invasion myth!
    http://www.stephen-knapp.com/solid_evidence_debun

    Thus we can conclude that Ambedkar mostly relied on Western Indologists(whose main aim was to destroy hindu culture) books(of Griffith, max muller) and most of the time his own words contradicts himself!!…

    I guess most of the things written by Arun Shourie on Ambedkar in "Worshipping False Gods" might be correct..

  61. In "Who were the Shudras", Dr.Amedkar even quotes the Shanti Parva of Mahabharata which provides equal representation to Shudras on Council of Ministers of the King..almost on par with Brahmins. He acknowledges that earlier Shudras were treated equally and entitled to Upanayanam.

    • Dr Amdedkar considers Shudras to be part of Kshatriyas originally. As per him, because of fights with Shudra kings where Brahmins had to suffer losses, Brahmins discriminated against Shudras. This theory relies on the 4 Varnas being birth-based, which is not true.

    • @Shudra, you are giving half-true & over exaggerated references which are fabricated & made look even worse by western indologists & so called sanskritists like Ralph t. Griffith, max muller etc., http://agniveer.com/821/vedas-and-shudra/ if you must have read this article without having prejudiced motive than you would not have asked question so. Bhagwad Gita B.G. 18:41 which clearly refutes the conclusion, that verse clearly says “Brahmanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas and sudras are distinguished by their qualities of work, O chastiser of the enemy, in accordance with the modes of nature”, note here, lord krishna said, “by their quality of work, in accordance with mode of nature with which their souls are gradually influenced”, here show me word that it says “birth-based”, here it clearly says on other hand, “any one can change his quality of work by removing influence of natural characteristics such as attraction & darkness which is suggested in other parts of geeta for every human & arjuna as well . And one can chage his varna & thus can become brahmin from shudra if he improves his intellectual level by doing deeds in intelligent ways ” . Look for this one, B.G. 16:24 “One should understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations, one should act so that he may gradually be elevated”,, which clearly refute your all claim why those four varnas are not birth based but just a state of person in evolution stage. The actual word used for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra is ‘Varna’.

      • Sir, I agree with you in all the points, but why you do not agree with me Please open your eyes and see what happen in around us and that is only true. We see bad effects of Verna system only birth system are available in Hindusiam only may be 000.1% can be seen in routine life according to vedas. Last three vernas hate Brahmins, Brahmins hates prosperous life style of below three verna, All above haptes shudras and all shudras hate above three each and every one hates each others. and 999.9 corruption available in above three vernas. They have no believe in god or no fear and god. Only GOD fear imposed on shudra and ask him be honest, be serve honeslty to upper three vernas without any excepetation, it means total exploitation each and everyone upper class doing this. I MEAN TO SAY HATHI KE DANT KHANE KE AUR DIKHANE KE AUR IS THE EARL MEANING OF HINDUSIAM .

  62. You say :" Unfortunately, even someone like Dr B R Ambedkar could not rise above his biased mind and ended up accusing Vedas of being the foundation of Shudra-subjugation".
    No Sir. I beg to differ on this issue. Please read "Who were the Shudras" by Dr.B.R.Ambedkar. If any leader in the 40s and 50s opposed the Aryan Invasion Theory, it was him. He was quite objective. He never accused Vedas of discrimination against the Shudras.
    http://www.ambedkar.org/ambcd/38A.%20Who%20were%2

    • Ambedkar believed that portions of Vedas were written later. He believed these portions, including Purush Sukta were anti-Shudra. Further, he believed that Shudras as a Varna did not exist separately in Vedic society and that they were part of Kshatriyas. He thus concluded that Arya Samaj view of Vedas being infallible is against the reformist agenda in favor of Shudras. Unfortunately, by his own admission, since his knowledge of Sanskrit was limited and he had to rely only on English translations by western indologists, he grossly erred on these points. In reality, the meaning of word Shudra was always supposed to be quite different from caste-connotations that was forced on it later. While he did not replicate the theories of westerners with regards to Aryan Invasion, he nonetheless considered the 4 varnas to be different from what they actually meant and considered belief in Vedas to be a roadblock in reformation of society. That is why he converted to Buddhism without assessing Vedas differently from western translations, and that set a wrong precedent.

      • your articles very nice to read, and hear… but again we are not slave or fool to believe….. that is good to see how you are alert every moment.

        There is no caste or varna or vedas are good ok but how 3000 thousand of caste. if any sudra read mandara cut their tongue, or if he hear pour lead his ear…hahahahah..
        anyway i dont want waste our time to read these kind of dirty articles. whoever believe this article thats their choice. All ways your group cheating us. that is not new.

        Read below about hindu religion,
        Inspite of education Brahmins practiced sati and widowhood for millenia. If you go to mathura, all the widow you see there are brahmin widows in white saree? Mostly from middle class educated families. On the contrary, Dalits were denied education for millenia, but Dalits are the only people in India, who never practiced sati or widowhood, widow remarriage is a very common culture among Dalits for ages. But, in case of educated Brahmins, someone like British has to come and tell them, that it is wrong. In the whole of India, it is the only Dalit culture, which is most liberal in terms of marraiage, sexuality and gender equality. You will hardly find any dowry deaths among dalits. The only problem of Dalits is denial of rights and atrocities on them by Hindus. It was Dr.Ambedkar (Dalit) who married a Brahmin woman and fought for the rights of brahmin women, gave them Rights to get Divorce, Right to inherit father’s property, Right to re-marry in form of Hindu code bill. These rights were denied to Brahmin women by their own men in all through Indian History. When Dr.Ambedkar introduced Hindu code bill, it was the English educated Brahmins who protested and opposed it tooth and nail, for which Dr.Ambedkar resigned from the Nehru’s cabinet? Why did english educated Brahmins behaved like this? Can you explain this paradox? Can you give me an example of a Liberal, educated Brahmin leader marrying a Dalit girl and fought for the Dalit rights? In case, if any Brahmin does this in future no Dalit will oppose him, like educated brahmins opposed Dr Ambedkar’s fight for Brahmin women rights.

        Shall I explain you this paradox?????
        So, with full confidence I am writing you all these. The actual problem is, the present day educated, urban innocent Hindus don’t know about their own religion. To them Hinduism is a Noble religion. This Noble impression they got because of Swami Vivekananda (SV) and Sri Aurobindo (SA). These 2 saints, very good at heart had actually what they propagated was Upanishad part of Hinduism, which was discarded by Brahmins Long ago. Carefully Notice all the saints who popularized Upanishadic philosophy are Non-Brahmin upper caste like SV. Actually what Hinduism teaches? What is the literature of Hinduism? Traditionally Hindus Religious lore is divided into 2 groups of Books.
        (We can have a detail debate on this).

        Hinduism’s Religious Literature fall into two groups of Books.

        Six Orthodox Hindu philosophies

        Group I : Shruti

        Group II : Smriti

        1) Nyaya

        2) Visheshika

        3) Mimansa

        4) Sankhya

        5) Vedanta

        6) Yoga

        1) Vedas (Rig, Artharva,

        Yajur and Sama)

        2) Aranyakas

        3) Brahmanas

        4) Upanishads

        1) Shastras

        2) Puranas

        3) Sutras

        4) Ithihasas

        These two groups (Shruti and Smriti) together sum up the six ancient orthodox philosophies of Hinduism. All the books under Shruti and Smriti were produced by Brahmins themselves except the Aranyakas and Upanishads, which were produced by Kshatriyas. This was the reason why there was fight between Brahmins and Kshatriyas, right from the ancient History of India. The best example is of the fight between the Brahmin Vasistha and Kshatriya Vishwamitra. Since, Upanishads were produced by Kshatriyas, Brahmins did not like them and hence, they called them as Vedanta (Upanishads) meaning Veda + anta, anta in Sanskrit means “End or Border”. So, the meaning of Vedanta (Upanishads) is Books outside Vedas. Such, was the contempt Brahmins had towards the Upanishads by calling them as Vedanta. Why Brahmins hated Vedanta (Upanishads), just because they were produced by Kshatriyas? No, Brahmins hated Upanishads for two reasons, first, because of the kshatriya origin of the books, second, for it’s contents. This raises a question, what does Upanishads teach. There are about 108 Upanishads, some important, some quite unimportant. What ever may be it, what do they teach? What is there in Upanishads which made Brahmins call it with a derogatory word “Vedanta”? The Kshatriya Rishis of Upanishads discovered that every being has an “Atman” which is derived from “Paramatman” (Brahman). The Paramatman was the all-pervading principle which binds the universe and the salvation lay in the Atman realizing that is Paramatman. The main thesis of Upanishads was that Paramatman was a reality and that Atman was the same as Paramatman. The Atman did not realize that it was Paramatman because of the Upadhis (Obstacles) in which it is entangled. Since, every being has the same Atman derived from Paramatman, so all men are equal. This is where Brahmins could not accept the equality of all men; this is the reason why they hated Upanishads with the name Vedanta. Hence, Upanishads were never part of Vedas; they were un-canonical in all through the history.

        For our argument sake let us divide the Hinduism as two parts, one part is the Books produced by Brahmins and the other part is the Books produced by Kshatriyas. Kshatriyas produced the Upanishad philosophy, which is all men are equal. The philosophy that Brahmins produced is the Vedic philosophy, that is all men are unequal, which later got popularized as Shastras and Puranas. So, the bed rock of the Upanishads is equality, whereas the bed rock of Puranic (Vedic) is inequality. Brahmins developed a common culture around this Puranic (Vedic, Shastras) philosophy, which was based on inequality. At the same time brahmins never allowed Upanishad philosophy to become a common culture and ethics of Indian society, because any attempt to develop a culture around Upanishads would lead into equalizing the society. So, Upanishads just remained as a mere philosophy, never became the culture of India. So, the mass of Hindus all through the History were under the spell of puranic Hindusim, that is the reason why Brahmins could survive unchallenged holding temples. All the rituals, which Hindus follow at home and temples today is in the puranic style, not the Upanishadic way. Dowry, Sati, Widowhood, Child marriages, Agni-pariksha, Husband-worship etc all these are the part of the Puranic Hinduism culture. These kinds of activities Brahmins made it as Civil law of the society through Shastras, thus sanctifying the Puranic Hindusim legally. Whereas, Upanishadic Hindusim could not develop any rational civil law, as it could not create a culture around it due to Brahmin opposition.

        The other religion which fought the Puranic Hindusim in the History was Buddhism. To counter Buddhism, Brahmins employed various measures for a very long time. One, they used Muslims to kill Buddhism, Second, they themselves became Buddhist monks and distorted the Buddhism, Third, Brahmins saints with the help of some soldiers killed Buddhist monks (example Adi Shakaracharya killed Buddhism in south india by killing Buddhist monks). Fourth, produced Bhagavat Gita to counter Buddhism in the name of Krishna. Bhagavat Gita is nothing but a distorted mixture of Sankhya and Vedanta philosophy to defend the caste system. They did it in the name of Krishna. Sankhya and Vedanta philosophies haven’t crystallized very well at the time of Krishna, then how did Krishna use these two philosophies?? From this itself it is clear that Bhagavat Gita was produced by Brahmins, to counter Buddhism. It is surprising to see, why Brahmins used Vedanta (Upanishads) philosophy in Bhagavat Gita which they hated. If we read the Bhagavat Gita carefully, one can notice the Vedanta philosophy is distorted in such a way to defend the caste system. This is how Brahmins prevented Upanishad philosophy, Buddhism to take roots in Indian soil, whereas they nurtured Puranic Hindusim culture thoroughly.

        If today, common Hindus practice dowry, Agni-pariksha, Caste system etc it is not because they are not educated, it is because they are following the culture of their puranic Hindusim which is taught to them for centuries. Here, the problem is not education it is the cultural notions of their own religion Hindusim. It was only Dalits who did not accept the puranic Hindusim that was the reason why Brahmins condemned them as untouchables. This is the reason why in Dalit culture, there is no widowhood, Agni-pariksha etc, because they did not accept Puranic Hindusim. This is the reason why educated Brahmins opposed Dr Ambedkar’s Hindu code bill, because Dr. Ambedkar was attacking the Puranic Hindusim, which is the culture of Brahmins. How can Brahmins allow the demolition of their own culture which they nurtured for centuries?

        It was only during the time of Swami Vivekananda (SV), some attempt was made to popularize the Upanishad (Vedanta) Hinduism. During this time the meaning of Vedanta changed from Books outside Vedas, became the Essence of Vedas. Today Vedanta (Upanishads) is called as Essence of Vedas. This was the service done by SV, he tried to attack the Puranic Hindusim and develop Upanishadic Hindusim into a culture. But, before this became a reality, suddenly he dies at a very young age of 39, without any ill-health or disease. His death is still a mystery? Now, some urban educated Hindus got an opportunity to know about the culture of Upanishads, so they think Hindusim is a very Noble religion. Such, kind of Hindus, when they see people in the grip of Puranic Hindusim doing bad things, they cannot understand, they think it is not because of religion, it is because of lack of education or backwardness.

        So, I guess now you understand what I am arguing. The principle problem of India is not education; it is the culture of Puranic Hindusim which is responsible for all the problems in India. Now, the question is the Enlightened, Learned, Good, and Secular Brahmins are they ready to demolish the Puranic Hindusim and Glorify the Upanishadic Hindusim? Are they ready to develop a common public psychology, culture and ethics around Upanishads? The future of India depends upon the answer-action to this question. Dalits are the only people in India, who are ever ready to demolish the Puranic Hindusim, are there any Good Brahmins left who want to join their camp?

        Do you have any answer?

      • It is clearly evident from the puranic literature and historic event that some sort of complex prevailed between the Varna group and it is continuing even to-day. But from the beginning till to-day the entire blame is put on Brahmin whose population is very negligible in the society. Hence without the support of other Varna people it is not possible to introduce any changes or ruling in the society. Whatever good or bad happened in Hindu society the prize/blame should be shared by the three Varna people excluding powerless Sudra? No human being is devoid of hereditary trait. It is natural that Ambedkar findings are to some extent biased putting the entire blame on Brahmin. Even Vivekananda also done this blaming Brahmin one sided. I am also wondering how the Brahmin haters forget the atrocities done by the invaders continuously for 1500 years, extending their support till to-day for them and blindly digging their own grave.

        Also I read in some books that the original name of Ambedkar is Bema Rao. A Brahmin teacher named Ambedkar helped him in his studies. Ambedkar changed his name as Bema Rao Ambedkar (B.R.Ambedkar) as a remembrance of loyalty shown by the teacher. Also for his higher studies one Mr.Arjun Kelusker a Brahmin took him to the Raja of Gaighuward and arranged funds. Also he married a Brahmin lady as a second wife during end period of his life. I don’t know how far these information are correct. Having mingled with Brahmin in his life how he has taken the stand of putting the entire blame on Brahmin alone is really perplexing.

      • Dear Tamilji,

        Namaste,

        Thanks for sharing in your thoughts.

        It was interesting reading your point of view on how Caste system evolved, differing concepts of Vedas and Upanishads, role of Brahmins and the status of Dalit.

        But my question is Where form Here ? What is the role model for the society to follow from here on?

      • Dear sir;

        I think you mistake social evil from what was past. Social evils actually are not from religion like Vedas, or Upanishads, but are from human ignorance.

        In any society there will be classes of people the ruling elite, warriors, labor, educated, business classes.Whether we look at English, American, European, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, communist etc. This is basic structure of large societies, but we do not call them caste based societies. In fact there is an caste system outside India called doctors,lawyers, scientist, politicians, and it is too inherited to some degrees as educated tend to remain educated. There will be class conflict always, as no one would like to think anyone is superior or inferior. But in Hindu dharma stories of Shudra, Brahmin, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, Assura, getting mokesh is common place which is the highest achievement for Hindus.

        Remember unless they received full 25 years brahmacharya having the respective qualities of Brahmin, Viahsya, Shudra, Kshatriyas,then and only then could they be classified as such otherwise they were all born shudra.Only person who posses those above qualities and this is not birth based.

        We in this perspective must see history. I recently procured a book called “ProtoHistory :Archaeology of the Harappan Civilization”2004 published by ICHR, S.Settar, Ravi Korisettar, this book was very clear that what you call Ayran Invasion is very much a fraud that it was the Swarswati River civilization, the People living there was indigenous, that over 1,000,000 km2 area was covered whereas the before theory in 1947 covered a few sites of Indus now over 1000 sites are discovered compared to Egypt where only 15,000 sq km of being only but far more excavated.It largest ancient civilization know to man. In fact migration more likely to Europe because of this fact then invasion. Infact the say there is period of time of resettlement.. That the British time when so called Indus valley civilization making false claims as the remains were by natural death not by butchering, most of them worshiped in fire alters similar to Vedic Hindus.

        Bur most interesting of these societies they were first to have water supplied to every house, they did not have a culture haves and have not, and their evidence in areas like Punjap that there is continuation of culture.Also Like Dwarka in Mahabhara some exist Drawka where the Mahabharat wrote. So there is too much evidence it is history of Hindus.

        We believe us Hindus this Kali Yuga individuals are not of such character to tell truth. Hindus believe in history of millions of years and say their history is continuous. What verifies this is scientific evidence. Further what say they were technology better is they say they knew more about plants, and animals then we know today, what is the proof this that most science have got the basic of medicines, plants and animals from these ancient people and still continue this stealing called Bio-piracy. Great libraries were burnt down for over six months like the nine story Nalanda confirm that today is the Dark ages and usher in such an age in India..Even today we have no such large libraries relative to our population.

        Now you blame Hindus for Muslim killing Buddhist, but do you blame them for killing Hindus that they do even today with the Kashmir Hindu population by giving them one days notice to leave.Creation of Pakistan, Afghanistan where Muslim do the same speaking of genocide of both Hindus and Buddhist including their mandhirs who make a percent of population.

        Dear Tamil face the fact that the British were racist pigs they would never call a dark skin person an Aryan which they considered themselves to be. The North Indian with lighter skin they though but not the South Indian. You are a victim of fiction so what you say is hypocritical.

        Further British lied, yes Hindus in this modern world called Kali yoga are corrupt they are not like the Swarswati Civilization. People are inhuman cruel, greedy, corrupt. There is destruction all around as they say it is the biggest extinction period millions of species have been extinguished and large portion of the earth have turned to desert due to the evil people do in last 2000-3000 years.. People listen to their mafia dons, bollywood not to educated to commercials on TV. They listen to corrupt like Nehru who partitioned the country, back stabbed Mahatma Gandhi, slept with Mount Batten wife who introduced such theories to Indian society. They are weak and low in character unable even to practice Brahmachary.

        Respect Agniveer, as they are tiring to take India out of Dark ages and live her glory, not live in the time of British racism and Bigotry, or where ignorance is predominate. It is time raise again to be the most truthful country, the most crime free, the place where everyone wanted to go, the country with the largest exports who know throughout the world for not the measly one percent, Histories most powerful nation,The richest most educated country of the world, not of Babus, criminals, and poverty..

      • @vedamgopal
        Please add me to the brahmin haters list… Because

        You speak about attrocities of Invaders, I know they were & are horrible.. but you must accept that this was that gift given by orthodox brahmins who designed birth-based cast.. by which Ravan like wicked minded became brahmins.. and impotents became kshatriya how could they protect Bharath matha…

        As arabindo said ‘whatever attrocities my mother (bharath matha) faced is because of selfish brahmins and arrogant kshatriyas’..

        For all those murders, rapes, infanticides, burning, temple destruction, looting are the gift of the great brahmins.

      • @Tamil : Frnd, We do not believe in the puranas, they have no credibility and are man made, they are to be outright discarded
        Please read SatyaPrakash by Rishi Dayanand Saraswati., It can be found on this portal itself, please check the home page

      • Tamil get out of from the trap of fake books and understand vedas.

        LTTE was a terrorist organization and thanks GOD it has been destroyed. They believed in stupid aryan invasion myths and had hatred towards hindus.

      • LTTE cjief Prabhakaran was a Christian though he behaved like a Marxist-Leninist violent idelogy. He had no compassion and lived a royal princely life with a fortified state in Sri Lanka having wealth to the tune of about two thousand crores.

        “The LTTE is not just anti-Sinhala, they are anti-Buddhists as well. And in this, they do seem to have a holy pact with certain sections of the Catholic Church and countless evangelical outfits all over the country.

        The point is that the missionaries have historically been part and parcel of the colonial project. That project, now called Globalisation, is still incomplete. It includes the erasure of all cultures outside the ambit of Judeo-Christian bigotry. It is in this context that the efforts of Christian Evangelical Alliances or whatever else they may want to call themselves, have to be viewed. And opposed.” Please peruse the link: http://www.deeppencil.com/news-politics/page2/
        There are plenty of references but Wikipedia is silent on his Christian identity. Reason is very obvious.
        Church has been most vicious all over the globe and this caste business is perpetration of Church with a vested interest in conversion. In all the current Middle East crisis there is a underhand of Church for proselytisation. Unfortunate. They operate very carefully in hidden manners so that their role is not easily discerned.

      • Namaste and Vanakkam brother.

        I’m a Tamil from Sri Lanka.

        Vedas are the only texts of Sanatana Dharma and the only Shruti texts, hence one should live his/her life according to Vedas and not other texts such as Puranas.

        Sati and the other social problems you mentioned are just that, social problems. They have no link to the actual Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma).

        Vedas are what should be followed first and the other smriti texts such as Upanisads should be accepted as per Vedas. Anything in a smriti text that doesn’t agree with what Vedas say should be rejected.

        The LTTE was nothing but a way to kill off Hindus, headed by (no surprise here) a christian (Prabhakaran was a christian). No one should support such an organisation, especially not a Hindu.

      • About LTTE being an anti-Hindu organization. Nonsense. To the best of my knowledge, Prabhakaran’s marriage was held according to Hindu religious rites in a temple in Tamil Nadu. Also LTTE was fighting against the Buddhist-chuavinist Sri Lankans and espousing the cause of SL Tamils, a majority of whom are Hindus, and so it couldn’t afford to be anti-Hindu anyway. Of course, due to its Marxist and other modern ideologies’ influence, it may have opposed many existing Hindu customs, etc. which any reformist / radical organization will do.

      • Thank you Tamil,
        I think the learned, intelligent people like you are very less in our society and those who are there, are not coming forward because of their own caste benefit. Now its high time that we all should start a mission to tell the truth to open the eyes of the our so called religious authorities which only save this beautiful religion and and our nation. This is the only way to stop conversions to other religion. But I am sure Bramhins will not allow this to happen because in the past whenever somebody like Bhagwan Buddha, Saint Dnyaneshwar (12th century) Saint Ravidas (15th century) Saint Tukaram (17th century) and now Swami Vivekanand and Dr B R Ambedkar tried to do this either they were severely opposed or finished. It is a fact in the present scenario there is 100% reservation to 3% Bramhins for economically and socially important temple posts like priesthood and Shankaracharyas where there is unlimited flow of money (without paying income tax). It is natural that they are going to use all there powers so that their income sources (without efforts) will be maintained in the Indian society.

      • Dear Tamil,

        Your comments have some truth. However, the truth you are talking about is limited to people’s behavior. Not idea. The Vedas and the Upanishads as not opposed to each other. It is true that Brahmins at one point messed it up. But that does not discredit the Vedas and the Upanishads. Since you are asking for names, one name I can give who has been like a sun to many. Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi of Tiruvannamalai was a Brahmin. Read his life story.

      • Ok, In vedic times there was no birth caste thats every one know, and it must be a better(equal?) than puranic hinduism.But let us also see whats the big difference ‘tween Vedic and puranic hinduism.
        Vedic- they eat meat even zebu beef(although they praised one who doesn’t).
        Puranic-they strictly popularised vegetarians.
        Vedic-The local god(of adivasis and villages were not included
        Puranic- They included all gods of popular belief
        Any one has to sy something about these puranic as far as i believe are beter than vedics over these two atleast.
        No offence,pure comment

      • This Tamil is suffering from half knowledge which is more dangerous than no knowldge.

        1) if there was war between vishwamitra & vasishta, there shud hv been battles.
        2) agni pariksha reference in ramayana is between ram & sita. Neither families were brahmin families
        3) the person who wrote vedas himsef was not a brahmin. Every brahmin reading vedas know that veda vyasa was a tribe and yet sing his praise. This proves all this accusation of caste discrimination and hatred is imaginary & propagated my pseudo intellectuals synthesised by church & macaulay types.
        4) vivekananda had TB. He was a smoker. All RK mutt swamijis including brahmin born swamis in RK mutt know this. To suggest brahmins killed vivekananda in conspiracy is outrageous.
        5) ambedkar is not his original lastname. The ambedkar name was given to bhim rao in his college days by his teavher who’s name was ambedkar. His teacher(brahmin named ambedkkar) gave bhim rao his own name to ensure that his dalit sounding family name does not hinder his path to success. Obviously Mr Tamil will verify this, curse himself.

      • 1) I don’t understand what you are saying. But that there was serious rivalry and fight between Viswamitra and Vasishtha is recorded in Puranas and we read it in text books even in our childhood. Viswamitra became a Rajarshi but would not become a brahmarshi unless Vasishtha agrees to it, etc. and Vasishtha’s reluctance and Viswamitra’s own arrogant and angry nature led to all the fight – that’s what we read.
        2) That is true.
        3) But Vedavyas is deemed a Brahimin, not only due to his learning but also due to his birth (or half-birth). Vedavyas is son of Parashara Maharshi and Satyavati (a fisher-woman). Parashara was son of Sakti Muni and Sakti was son of Vasishtha Maharshi. So on the father’s side Vyas was of Brahmin origin. Vyas sired Dritharashtra, Pandu and Vidura with Amba, Ambalika and a maid , and with his own wife he begat Suka Maharshi.
        4) Vivekananda’s guru Ramakrishna was a brahmin. May be there was some grouse among Brahmin followers of Ramakrishna that none of them but a Kayastha (Vivekananda) became the successor of Ramakrishna, but to suggest that Vivekananda was killed by their conspiracy is too much. I have not found such allegations to this day anywhere and even Wikipedia does not contain even a reference to such allegations.
        5) Ii is true that the Brahmin teacher of Bhimrao gave his suffix of Ambedkar to him and thence Bhimrao became more known as Ambedkar. But the reasons for that teacher doing so are not so clear. However, he helped his pupil very much and I don’t know whether Ambedkar ever later referred to him in respectful terms and paid homage.

      • Scroll down to the very end and read my comments in 3 parts.. The summary of my stand is this. Varna system adovcated by hinduism is the perfect merit based system which any ideal advanced society should aspire to.

        Society grades occupations based on skill and sphere of influence. In your blind hate for casteism and anti-hindu propaganda, you are suggesting all occupations are equal. If that was the case, would you suggest equal pay for the scientist and the garbage collector? No occupation is lowly, but that doesn’t imply all occupations are treated the same. There should be dignity of labour.

      • Answers? you expect answers to all your trash you vomited out here on that moron Ambedkar and the more moronic Brahmins (casteist) ? You should become a comedian, for all the jokes you have cracked above.
        You must be a fan of that troll Periyar for only liars like him and his followers can bark such garbage and lies.

        Suggestion: better don’t make a joke out of yourself by farting (e.g. Dalits treat women better than Brahmins do, when actually all leading women are Brahmins and other upper castes)

      • Q. Suggestion: better don’t make a joke out of yourself by farting (e.g. Dalits treat women better than Brahmins do, when actually all leading women are Brahmins and other upper castes).
        A: Sir, You have not able understand the truth, you do not know what is the power behind all the leading women of brahmin and other uper caste. That power was HON’BLE SAVITRI BAI PHULE & HER HUSBAND HON’BLE JYOTIBA RAO PHULE , Who was the FIRST women authorised teacher in India and who start first women school in India (Maharstra Pune) for shudra’s girls and all Brahmin and upper caste oppose this and they Barked Dharam ki lutiya doob jayegi agar aurten shiksheet ho gayi. In Hindu Dharma education is totaly ban for Women and Shudras. Hindu/Brahmin torture physically and mentally to Ms.Phulle ji , After that all the women Brahmins/Hindus/Aryas start get education. Before Ms.Phulle no women education school was not available in India.

        YOU KNOW WHO WAS HON’BLE SWITRI BAI PHULLE , SHE WAS A SHUDRA WOMEN OF MAHARASHTRA
        SHE AND HER HUSBAND OPEN THE DOOR FOR 80% INDIANS I.E. WAS WOMEN AND SHUDRA. SIR, THIS IS NOT A JOKE THIS IS REALLITY OF UR AND UR FOREFATHERS. AGAR YE THEEK HOTE TO GAURI, GAJNI, BABER DEKHNE KI HIMMAT NHI KAR SAKTE THE.

      • Q.You should become a comedian, for all the jokes you have cracked above.
        A: Deshmukh sir, this is not comedy , this is 101% really fact that ALL THE WOMEN OF INDIA OF TOAL POLUTATION =50% APPROX. AND ALL THE SHUDERA = 35% APPROX FOR TOTAL POPULATION OF TOTAL POPULATION OF INDIA, TOTAL 85% APPROX.
        Hon’ble Jyoti Rao Phule aur unki Patni Hon’ble Switri Bai phule ne shuder hote hua Bhart ki 85% population ke liye shiksha ke dwar khol diye, jis ka parman aaj ki aap stya ke roop me dekh rahe ho. Hindu katter pantiyo ne sabhi aurato ki shiksha par ban laga rakha tha chahe vo Brahmin ho, Akshtriya ho, Vaise ya shuder. Jo kam 2 logo 150 sal me kar dikhaya ye kam Hindu/Brahmin/Arya/Ved/Geeta Ramayan hazaro salo me nhi kar paye. Deshmukh Sir, I m not barking I have proof, if you do not believe me then go to net and search about Hon’ble Jyoti Rao Phule aur unki Patni Hon’ble Switri Bai phule and also search about Ram Shambuk, Darona Eklavya, Inder Ahilya, Parsuram Karan and also search about Matadin and Mangal Pandey. Sir, ho skata hai mai galat hoon, lekin net par dharmik pustko me yahi mil raha hai, aur hum apni nayi generation ko dikha rahe hai vo khud hairan hai and ask waht is this, Sir, Ek Channel par hum sab ne MAHADEV serial dekha, jis me Inder devta mata Ahilya ka suhba 4 baje Gutam rishi ke jane ke bad Chander devta ki sahayta se blatakar karta aur pakde jane par Gutam Rishi Inder devta ka chehra kala kar deta hai aur Ahilya ko Pathar ki bana dete hai.
        sir, is par kisi bhi hindu ya uske sangthan ki koi partikirya nhi aayi ki yeh galt hai fir ye 100% satya hai. Only may be 1 or 2 % truth is Hinduism so you are requested to remove this 98-99% garbage and help aal of us.
        Thank you Sir,

      • Dear Agniveer,
        OK let us assume that Dr BRA assessed Vedas through Tampered (English) translation and we will discuss what you have translated above in YAJURVEDA 20.17. You read it again, it is very clearly mentioned that Shudras and Vaishyas should forgive for the crimes against them. That means surely they agreed that crimes were conducted in those days against Vaishyas and Shudras otherwise what for forgiveness?
        It is very clearly written in your text only now you cant blame europian Indologists. You will still have some polished words to explain in your dictionary but no intelligent person will believe it.

      • @Dr I. Avinash

        ‘ That means surely they agreed that crimes were conducted in those days against Vaishyas and Shudras otherwise what for forgiveness?’

        What do you mean by “those days” ?

        It is clearly mentioned that varna system is entirely merit based instead of birth-based as currently practised and Shudra is a profession category of Arya or those people who are indulged in benevolent acts.
        Say, if you chuck out your nurse for no fault of his/her and later on you repent your decision for what you did. Would you not pray to God to forgive & relieve you from the tendency of repeating it again ??

        Seems like you just want to continue with your rant against the Vedas otherwise I see no reason as to why a MBBS graduate would find it so difficult to understand a simple thing mentined in Yajurved 20.17

      • agneeveer, he was scholar in sanskrit and he knew hidden meaning of the word. you are a pebble and he was ocean of the knowledge. I know that you are brahmin and you want to save your society which depends on illogically back ground… even you dont know about parmatma. and, so you have found the das avtara which were not incarnation of parmatma, if parshuram was incarnation of god then why he killed many innocent people. So dont blaim on the mahapurush B.R. Ambedkar . if he was not born india then you will rule and punish the innocent people. you are raksha not brahman yuo have to accept now and apologize.

      • Babaji, Baba Ambedkar has himself admitted that he did not know Sanskrit and relied on European translations to interpret Hindu texts. Das Avatara, Parashuram etc are models of belief. Being Hindu has nothing to do with these beliefs. You may accept or reject them. Many Hindus believe in formless God, many in form, many in both, many in nothing. And Agniveer accepts and apologizes for being unable to destroy enemies of Hinduism as effectively as it had dreamt of. May God grant us strength to fulfill this mission in no time. We are happy to have you as a partner in this mission.

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