Even a cursory glance at the extraordinary orderliness that we see in the world around is sufficient to prove existence of an entity who is the great planner. This Entity operates so perfectly that scientists have been able to derive mathematical equations that quantify His unchangeable laws.

This Entity would move two unconnected particles even light years apart in such exact fashion that the mathematical formulation of universal law of gravitation is never violated. Scientists know that two distant particles come close to each other as per the equation of Gravitation, but fail to explain what makes the two particles talk to each other and conspire together to move closer in a planned manner. Similarly there are several other laws on which this universe operates – mathematical formulations of  few of them have been deciphered by modern scientists but many other remain to be explored in such details.

Now different people call this Entity differently. Scientists call it “Laws of Universe”, Muslims call it Allah, Christians call it God and Vedas – the oldest texts – call it by Om or Ishwar among many other names. A myopic cynic may term this entire world complete purposeless and emanating only out of a random chance of events. (Its a different matter that the very fact that he arrived at this conclusion proves that he is seeking order and purpose out of this randomness). We shall not dwell into the loopholes of such far-fetched statements in this article.

In this article, we shall explore the most fundamental question that arises naturally in most of the non-myopics (agnostics + theists) after seeing this mind-boggling world, its beauty and its ironies – Why did God/Ishwar/ Allah create us?

Most religions try to answer this basic question. And most people who quit one religion and join another are actually seeking answer to this question.

PREMISE 1: HE CREATED US SO THAT WE COULD WORSHIP HIM

Many religious scholars claim that God created us so that we could worship Him. If that be so,

a. God becomes nothing more than a praise-loving dictator suffering from superiority-complex.

b. It proves that God is inconsistent. He changes His habits. That is why since beginninglessness God was all alone, but then He suddenly thought of creating us.

Let us say, He decided to create us at point T1 in time. Now since time has no beginning and God was always present, hence time T1 or any other time T2, T3 etc are equidistant from origin of time which is infinity away. So if He can change his mood at time T1, there is no reason why He cannot change His mood at other time-points like T2, T3 etc. Also, there is no guarantee that He did not create and destroy us or other species at other times BEFORE time T1 of this creation.

Now all religions that claim that Allah created us so that we could worship Him also believe that Allah is perfect. Now if Allah is perfect, it means that at ALL points in time, He is equally perfect and operates as per the SAME laws. Perfection implies that there can be NO single-point inconsistency in God’ habits.

THUS, if God/Allah/Ishwar created us at time T1, He HAS to keep creating us at other time periods also IF He is perfect. Now He cannot create us twice! So if He creates us, He has to also destroy us so as to create us again.

Now if he continues to create and destroy us, how can He ensure that we worship Him when we have been destroyed. This means that either mood of God fluctuates with time, OR, He has NOT created us for worship.

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CONFUSION: WHY HE MAKES US SUFFER WHEN HE HIMSELF CREATED US.

This is a most perplexing question that no religious cult can satisfactorily answer. This is the genesis of atheism. Muslims believe that God has a book “Lohe Mahfooz” under his throne, in which all the future acts of all the species has been written in complete detail. But this defies the concept of free-will. If what I do is already written a-priori, why punish me for being a Kafir? Even the punishment is written already in Lohe Mahfooz!

Clergies answer this paradox smartly. For example, the neo-Prophet Zakir answers in following lines:

“ In a class there are all kinds of students. Some are brilliant and come first. Others fail. Now a smart teacher can predict who will get what rank. This does not mean that the teacher is forcing the students to perform in a particular manner. This only means that teacher is intelligent enough to know who will do what. And since Allah is most-intelligent, He knows everything that will happen in future.”

A very reasonable sounding answer. But only that it has a major flaw. The teacher can predict the performance of his students only because he has assessed the past and present performance of the students. But in case of God, it is He Himself who decides which student would be born intelligent and who shall be dumb!

So while Mohandas Gandhi was born on 2nd October 1869, Allah had already decided millions of years before his birth that this boy would remain a Hindu, but appease Muslims, and yet be called a Kafir deserving Hell by devout Muslims like Muhammad Ali. So right from his birth, Gandhi had no choice but to simply follow what was already written millions of years ago.

The teacher-student logic would hold ONLY IF the prediction regarding performance of the soul is made only after the soul has been created and developed to be mature enough to decide his course of action. So a Lohe Mahfooz that exists even before creation of souls only proves that Allah/God is unjust. Please refer the articles on Helpless Destiny in Islam and God must be Crazy.

PREMISE 2: HE CREATED US TO TEST US

This concept has already been debunked in God must be Crazy through several examples. Further, if He is testing us, He cannot have a Lohe Mahfooz or, in other words, cannot predict our future. If He already knows the future, there is no use of testing. And if He is doing both, He is acting only as a moody dictator fond of enacting dramas.

SO WHY DID HE CREATE US??? ULTIMATE CONFUSION

We have eliminated all implausible explanations that can answer this perplexing question. If not for testing and not for worship, what else can be the reason for creating us? It cannot be for giving us happiness, because we find so many brutal things happening in world. People even commit suicide tired of pains in life.

Further, why did he create in first place, even if to give happiness or grief or take an exam? Could he not have simply enjoyed his solitude that he decided to first create us and then play games with us? In helplessness, one is left with no choice but to say, “Allah knows the best”, or “Khuda Jaane”, or “ God knows”, or even “Goli maar bheje me!”

Buddhism is practical and does not even touch this question. It says that before even thinking of answering such questions, raise the level of intellect through practice of mind and sense control. No doubt, a very practical suggestion for those entrenched in worldly glitters to be blinded to see and feel things beyond.

But despite all this, the question keeps burning somewhere deep in us – Why did He create Us? And nothing seems to make sense or look purposeful unless a satisfactory answer to this question is obtained.

It is true that Only God knows the Best. But Vedas – the first books of humankind – throw sufficient light on this perplexing question for us to take this quest further. And the answer provided by Vedas is clear and unambiguous:

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GOD NEVER CREATED US.

And because God never created us, He also never destroys us. Creation and destruction of soul is NOT the scope of work of God.

Thus, just as God is beginningless and endless, so are we. We have existed along with God always and shall continue to do so.

Q: If God did not create us, what does He do?

A: God does what He is doing today. God is managing us.

Q: Then why He made this world and universe?

A: God did not create the root cause of the world and universe. The root cause – called Nature (Prakriti) – was always present and shall remain forever.

Q: This is confusing – God does not create world and He did not create us. Then what does he do?

A: As told earlier, he is managing us. To explain in detail, God brings the root cause of inanimate nature (Prakriti) and modifies it to make the universe/world in same manner as a potter uses water and clay to create pots. He then integrates this universe with souls.

Q: But why does He do all this?

A: He does all this because unless he does so, souls cannot perform actions so as to maximize their happiness. Thus He integrates souls with the universe in a manner that Law of Karma holds perfectly at all times. Now soul can, as per its deed, choose to increase of decrease its happiness.

Q: But why He needs to do all this drama to give us happiness? Can’t He give us directly?

A: God does not do anything which is not his property. For example, He will never kill Himself and create a new God. Now soul has certain properties: it is conscious, exists but devoid of happiness. It can do nothing on its own. It is like a microprocessor which can function only when hooked to a power source and motherboard. Thus God creates this computer system aka universe so that the microprocessor aka soul can function and exhibit its powers to achieve happiness.

Q: How does this Law of Karma work

A: Refer the FAQ on Theory of Karma. But basically, soul has following 6 properties: Desire, Repulsion, Efforts, Happiness, Sorrow and Knowledge. The source of all these is the core Will-power and the goal is to achieve ultimate bliss. Now as and when the soul exercises its will as per its natural properties, it is able to exhibit these properties even better and move closer to the goal. But if it acts unnatural, the properties diminish in expression and it would move away from the goal. Thus based on its deeds, soul achieves different states of its quality called Chitta.

Now what God does is that depending upon the quality of the soul, it provides it an environment which is most conducive for it to exercise its will and move towards its goal. Thus Bliss is a function of Actions which is a function of Thoughts which is a function of Knowledge which is a function of Will-Power. The reverse is also true meaning that if actions are bad, they lead to diminished knowledge and hence skewed will-power. And when one does extremely bad deeds, God puts those souls in non-human species where they can no more exercise their will-power significantly. This is done to clean up the soul of garbage in its Chitta.

This process goes uninterrupted by death. Death is merely a short stop in the journey where you get down the vehicle and replenish yourself with food and water to start afresh.

Q: This is too much to understand in one go. Can you summarize?

OK. Here is the summary:

a. God, Soul and Nature (Prakriti) are three eternal entities that always existed and will always exist. This is the actual concept of ‘Trinity’.

b. God never creates or destroys souls or nature. He only acts as a Super Manager who brings Soul and Nature together so that souls can put efforts as per Law of Karma to achieve ultimate bliss.

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c. Whatever is happening with us in our life is as per our own efforts till last moment. And we can change the course of our destiny through present and future efforts.

d. Death is never a final stop. It is just a short break after which journey continues unhindered.

e. When we say that God is creator, we mean that he brings souls and nature together to give them this non-random well-planned shape. He then maintains the universe to help the souls. Finally He destroys the universe and then again starts the process of creation. All this – creation, maintenance and destruction – continues to happen just like night and day continue to follow each other. There was never a time when this process did not exist nor shall there be a time when this process will cease. That is why He is called Brahma (Creator), Vishnu (Maintainer) and Pralaykarta (Destructor).

f. No property of God changes ever. So whatever He does at ALL times is for benefit of souls.

g. Souls have free-will. But that is subject to their knowledge which depends on their deeds. This forms the basis of Theory of Karma.

h. Put simply, God is always with us and he is always helping us. We need to simply follow the core will and attempt to accept truth and reject falsehood every moment. This act of truth-seeking is the natural property of soul and purpose of this universe. When we do so, we rapidly progress towards ultimate bliss.

So God never created us from nothingness. He however developed such a marvelous world for us to help us. And we can help fulfill our destiny and purpose of this creation through truth-seeking. This is the core message of Vedas and sole essence of life.

Q: One final Question – How does one ascertain that this also is not yet another creative theory and not the truth? Why should we believe you?

A: Several reasons:

a. Whatever has been said is as per Vedas – the oldest and unchanged texts. Refer the text below and you shall find several references and details.

b. This theory is intuitive and as per common observations in life. It does not talk of a miracle that needs to be accepted blindly. Law of Karma is seen working everywhere. You need not go far to test it. Simply become positive and cheerful and enthusiastic for 30 days, refuse to be negative, refuse to indulge in wrong acts and note down how whatever happens in life or you feel. You would find your level of bliss to be way higher in this small experiment. This theory is at least more plausible than things like theory of evolution which no one ever witnessed, or stories of miracles which no one ever saw.

c. Vedas do not even put a restriction that you need to believe in it blindly. However the action points that derive from this theory are such that every sensible person would agree – that accept truth and reject false to best of intentions. And perform good acts as mentioned in Vedic religion in brief.

Remember that Vedas have a very organic intuitive approach. There is no compulsion in believing. What Vedas say instead is that as and when you continue accepting truth and rejecting false to best of your intentions, things will automatically start becoming clearer.  So call it whatever if you are not convinced. But you would have to agree that there is no other theory which is more logical, intuitive as well as motivating than the theory that –

“God has always been and shall always protect us and nurture us and give us opportunities and work only for our benefit all the while giving respect to our free-will without deviating even a bit!”

The global bestseller “The Secret” merely scratched the surface of this marvelous theory and changed lives of many. Imagine what would be the potential of the complete theory!

This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/4633/why-did-god-create-us-hi/

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Ram

It seems God is just managing souls and not creating souls.
The population of our world now is around 7 billion as compared to approx 400 millions during the vedic period.

If god only manages where did the 6 billion souls came from.?

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truth always prevails
If universe always existed then solve the problem of microwave background radiation, expansion of universe, entropy, advancement of human civilisation, big bang theory, general theory of relativity, cause and effect theory. Tell me plants have soul or not. If plants have no soul and it is created for the benifit… Read more »
truth always prevails
Veda mentions different gods as the creator of the universe, Rig Veda 2.20.1, 2.13.5 says Indra has created the earth, Rig Veda 10.82.1 and Yajur Veda 17.25 says Vishwakarma created the heaven and earth, Rig Veda 10.190.3 says Dhatar has created the heaven, earth, sun and the moon. Atharva Veda… Read more »
Truth prevails
Veda mentions different gods as the creator of the universe, Rig Veda 2.20.1, 2.13.5 says Indra has created the earth, Rig Veda 10.82.1 and Yajur Veda 17.25 says Vishwakarma created the heaven and earth, Rig Veda 10.190.3 says Dhatar has created the heaven, earth, sun and the moon. Atharva Veda… Read more »
jayant

Truly impressed sir,
My concepts are cleared good work
I want to meet you sir…..
Please mail your address I will be very great full

RA
Great explanation on the most complicated question. Thank you. I did talk to many well-known Gurus and read many books to get to this conclusion and I am very happy to see the same over here too 🙂 …. Still I have a somel questions some where in the corner… Read more »
InSearchOfTruth
This is mind blowing, it really blew off my mind. I mean, you say that God did not create us and the existence of God, Soul and Prakriti always existed and will exist eternally. Phew!! You also say that God exists only to manage this soul movement from one form… Read more »
Anyone

also where were souls before when no organisms were alive do they replicate themselves when more and more organisms come about. When the earth gets destroyed as we know in the future what happens to reincarnation.

RamNarayan
Dear Anyone, Namasate! Souls, Matter and God are eternal. They exist at all the times at before srishti and after srishti. There is no start nor end to these three. Souls are countless or infinite. During the pralay, everything goes back to the primordial state. There will not be any… Read more »
Anyone

Did god create this universe or was it already there. Also is the prakriti like an atom or soemthing that building block that makes all this universe.

RamNarayan
Dear Anyone, Namaste! God creates the universe with his energy using the prakriti from its primordial state for the sake of human beings and other living beings. God is called the efficient cause, Matter in its primordial state is called material cause and human beings are the first cause for… Read more »
shaik
@ Sanjeev I have gone through ur article expecting to find out your view about creation, instead of that it is about criticizing Islamic belief which u urself not understood. Anyways as you mentioned ‘———GOD never created us……………. than you could have said about reason for human existence. at least… Read more »
RamNarayan
Brother Shaik, Namaste! Reason for our existence – our sanskars from previous birth. Our souls didn’t attain moksha in our previous birth. GOD as manager – HE is the creator of this universe, manager and destroyer. He created universe out of prakriti with his energy and ability. Again, HE didn’t… Read more »
Krishnarao
To Everyone, Who keeps quoting the Vedas, please provide your sources: 1. Which verse and Veda? 2. Who translated it? 3. Where can I get a copy of the entire Veda translated by that person or group? 4. Who published it? 5. What Hindu group supports that translation? Stop just… Read more »
Shreenath
Regarding the rebirth cycle the Poet Shiva Vakkiar says; Once milked, the same milk cannot enter into the breast. Once the butter is taken out of the milk, the same butter cannot mix with the same milk. Neither the flower that falls, can become a flower again. Then how can… Read more »
Jay Arya

shreenath people from the Abrahamic beliefs,baha faith,zorstrianism don’t have anthing to do with eastern beliefs people like jesus.muhammad,zaurhstra,joseph smith have nothing to do with eastern beliefs but we may respect some of them espically jesus where many hindus have spoken good about him

Krishnarao
“Regarding Gnana marga, the Vedas and Upanishads say, that we have to know the Purusha (for He is the knowledge) who has sacrificed His life for mankind…..& that Purusha is JESUS CHRIST..!!” – LOL, 1. Which verse and Veda? 2. Who translated it? 3. Where can I get a copy… Read more »
Krishnarao
Shreenath, Clearly you do not understand the law of Kharma and reincarnation. If you did, you would know. a man or woman that lived a life a sin or many many lives of sins can burn off all those sins by following the true path of Yoga (which is meditating… Read more »
Shreenath
Jesus Christ is unique: Jesus is unique not only in the Bible. Among all the prophets ever sent to this earth, only Jesus Christ has been given the following titles in the Quran: ‘Kalimatullah’ – ‘The Word of God’ (Surah 4:171; cf. Revelation 19:13 & John 1); it is identical… Read more »
Jay Arya

if you want to speak about islam you can go to muslim website and speak to them about jesus after all besides muslims and Christians none of others believe in jesus

Shreenath

Although Bible is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years, it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout…!!

Chetan
@Shreenath —–Although Bible is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years, it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout…!! **May be you did not read “The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy”. Pl go through http://www.freethoughtdebater.org/2011/12/30/bible-errors-and-contradictions/ so that… Read more »
Shreenath

Friends—–
We speak & write from human wisdom which can never give us the accurate entity of God.. We speak and say what we learn & heard from others..God is the super most intelligent entity which a human mind can never ever study..

Shreenath

Hello friends..!!

sandesh

Nice post. Could you please tell me which Veda book is good. I would like to have an English version. Also complete collection of Vedas. Thank You

Peter

They just delegated the hard part to this mysterious elemental force and off ‘God’ so now ‘God’ is some low-life manager and there is this mystical Prakriti that is/always was/always will be and is the true cause of things. Where did Prakriti come from?

harish
Cause don’t have further causes..Effects may have further effects.Absence of effect doesn’t prove there is no cause but if there is absence of cause,there will be no effect .So If u ask cause of cause , then when u will stop then ? If not then u are proving cause… Read more »
Peter
It’s just not logical and never will be, however you twist the definitions of the words ’cause’ and ‘effect’. Logic is based on the relation between cause and effect and they cannot, in any way, shape or form, be disconnected from each other and still make sense. It all basically… Read more »
harish

Do u know what law of conservation of mass says?.. Its already proved matter is unborn but if anyone understands correctly the theory of cause and effect ,then God,matter and soul are easily proved…

InSearchOfTruth
Very well said with regards to the law of conservation of mass. Science has proved this, but should we believe whatever science has proved, or we should ask this, has science been able to prove everything? Now, there are so many things that science hasn’t been able to prove things… Read more »
harish
nothing have been told above which disconnects effect from a cause.Just as pot is proof of potter and clay(both) in the same way universe..Neither without clay nor without potter,there can exist a pot….For us true = cause,illusion=effect and false = never exist….probably u didnt think on these….So i ask u… Read more »
david

hi peter I think swami sukhabodhananda said it best with:

“if you teach a stupid person logic, then logic itself becomes stupid”. (no offense)

kranti

Now i know where Matrix script came frm 🙂

Arka Mondal
1. Who really knows, and who can swear, How creation came, when or where! Even gods came after creation’s day, Who really knows, who can truly say When and how did creation start? Did He do it? Or did He not? Only He, up there, knows, maybe; Or perhaps, not… Read more »
Madhukar
I am not completly able to understand wht you are trying to say because i find the common meaning in all the three points. Let me explain it hw: 1. Gods came after creation, these are several dietes (demi gods). Here it is not said that the Creator ( souper… Read more »
Mary walker
Vicjags, The notion of believing in God the creator has been around for centuries, this belief has not come around out of nothing, religion is important and has been the very means for man to understand God (to a extent) but it should based on logic, should make sense .… Read more »
Ankur
@VicJags : Do you see how you fall in line with http://agniveer.com/why-did-god-create-us/#comment-34124 Again , please go through the post on this website regarding the Vedic Hindu belief system and the concept of GOD, then come back if required, and yes one does not need to follow a particular religion( to… Read more »
Ankur

@vicjags : Is this how you acknowledge your religious plagiarism .. by laughing at it. or is it intrinsic to christain/your proselytism
making the efforsts more effective as core christainty fails at explaining concepts like these to an acceptable level of logic.

Mary walker
Vicjags, ”Are you willing to consider God as a manager??” of cors, im willng. as 4 god is 1 or 2 or countless. as v know well we cant meet god so i shud think logicaly either god is one or not. if god can b 2 , then definitely… Read more »
Mary Walker
I get this is an Hindus’ website. I have some serious questions that I often pose to religious persons. But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers. To all Hindus: How do you know if your God is the true God? How do you know if your religion is the true… Read more »
Dharma Somashekar
1. We have 32 million Devas, and they are NOT “GOD” they are the 5 cognitive elements , Prithvi apa jothi vayu akasha , their manifestations and other forces in nature like sun moon , vidyuth , sea, rain , indra ect and their manifestations which could well run beyond… Read more »
Madhukar
Mary Walker@ Here I have tried to make u understand your questions (as per my opinion). I don’t ask u to get satisfied by it, but I think it will help u understand something abt your questions: How do you know if your God is the true God? Please don’t… Read more »
Ankur
@Mary walker: This is a Vedic(root of Hinduism) website and not that of contemporary hinduism. Would suggest you browse the website and go through the articles rather than asking question which do not have one line answers but still to give you a start i will try to be concise.… Read more »
Ankur

@Mary Walker : Actually Question i rephrase
2) because it the most logical & Practical of all and answers much more than any other existing belief system does.

Mary Walker
Ankur, First, thanks for your comments on my questions. “This is a Vedic(root of Hinduism) website and not that of contemporary hinduism.” For me this thing is enough that this is a websites belongs to some sorts religious people. “Would suggest you browse the website and go through the article”… Read more »
Ankur
@Mary Walker: I want to know the personal feelings/ experience for one’s religion for their religion. I want to know how they believe, why they believe, how they feel & why they are content? What are the factors which make them to believe in certain religion. Thats why i told… Read more »
Mary walker

Ankur,
ok sorry now i see i took it wrong it was ‘most of all’ not ‘all’

hinduagnostic
first when you say religions you talking sikhism,islam,christianity,judaism,zotastrianism,baha, when you talk spirtual philisophical way of lifes you are talking hinduism,buddhism,jainism,taoism,confuism and hinduism accepts both the athiestic and thiestic side but in my opinion through studying different beliefs espically abrahamic beliefs i find sikhism and hinduism the most logical and better… Read more »
Mary Walker
hinduagnostic, “first when you say religions you talking sikhism,islam,christianity,judaism,zotastrianism,baha, when you talk spirtual philisophical way of lifes you are talking hinduism,buddhism,jainism,taoism,confuism and hinduism accepts both the athiestic and thiestic side” Yup! You got it right. because I’m a not an Atheist rather I believe in creator/God. but I don’t understand… Read more »
hinduagnostic
which ever belief you want to believe in depends on faith and logic and reasoning then maybe comptability to sciene sikhism and hinduism are similar but sikhism is a religion wherre all sikhs follow same thing while hinduism has different philisophies but now days most hindus follow the same philisophy… Read more »
Jay
Why do we have to justify ourselves to you? If you don’t like any religion good for you. We have no interest in convincing you to believe in anything. No one is asking you to believe in Hinduism. We are not like the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity and Islam. We… Read more »
Jay
” But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers.” To you, as you are acting the judge to other people’s reasons for why they believe and why they are satisfied. But what satisfies others may not satisfy you, and why should other people try to satisfy you? You are no queen… Read more »
Mary walker
jay, “Why do we have to justify ourselves to you?” you dont ‘have to’ justify yourself to me. its like your saying im forcing you with a ‘high hand’ to justify yourselves to me. what my way is just if any religious person is willing to answer , then very… Read more »
aoun sadiq

Please give a proper explaination to this line-“God has not CREATED us,He has MANAGED us”.

hinduagnostic

jai hind

aoun sadiq

please explain this line-“god has not CREATED us,he has MANAGED us”.

Sanatan Dharma
@aoun sadiq Brother, As per eternal Religion Three entity God, Soul, And Prakriti (Prikriti primordial form of matter) are eternal. There was not a time when soul, Prakriti not exist. These three entity are coeval. The things which have a beginning must have to face its end. If is not… Read more »
aoun sadiq

u r saying that he has not created d Prakriti.
indeed he has created us. has He not?

Raj
It is a good article. We can see progress in this article from believing in God as the Creator of the Souls to one who is just directing the Universe. Seems if this article evolves further, we can see it agreeing with the Jain theory of the Universe. Jain theory… Read more »
Raj
Having said the above, I do find many similarities between the Vedic way of life and the Jain way of life. Finally and ultimatley, it is the Indian way of life. Agniveer site is doing a good job in connecting the Hindu mind with the Indian culture. India is our… Read more »
DEV

Agniveer Ji

Please let me know any logical point when GOD is all powerfull why he cannot create Soul and Matter.

Thanks

aryaveer

dear dev we are discussing on this here!
http://agniveer.com/vedic-god/#comment-20606

so let us all join discussion there and benefit all of us! 🙂

DEV

All Why can GOD cannot create SOUL if he is all powerfull,please do reply.I need answer to this.Matter I understand but why not SOUL.WHy he canot create and destroy SOul.

Okunnel

God created the Soul. There is nothing outside God that was not created. God created soul. It did not come into existence by itself. To call God, God, he has to be the creator of all

KalBhairav

@Vijay SJ:

You completely miss the point here. The point of the article is if God exists, why would he create? This article is not arguing for the existence or non-existence of God.

Okunnel
Nothing material/phyisical exists for ever. This is what you observe in the world. Do you mean to say the nature/Prakriti existed eternal with God ? Nature proves that everything that exists in material form should perish. SO, was the nature/Prakriti material or spiritual in the beginning..? And if it was… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Okunnel: Nothing material/phyisical exists for ever. Not in the same form, but it just transforms from one to another. From nothing you get nothing. So, if we have material/physical stuff, it came out of preexisting material/physical stuff. Do you believe hell is material/physical? I am curious now. 😉 Do you… Read more »
Karna
Namaste Great Souls ( Agniveer, Arya, Vajra, Indian Agnostic & KalBhairav) I’m a bit confused. I’ve heard since birth that “Everything we see around or can even imagine of belongs to the Supreme Being”. The Universe ( Brahmaan) and Souls (Atman) are nothing but his manifestations. A question, that what… Read more »
Vajra
Namaste Brother Karna ——–I’ve heard since birth that “Everything we see around or can even imagine of belongs to the Supreme Being”.——- Eeshvar being greatest, wisest, mightiest, creator (who reshuffles elementary particles of Prakriti to create meaningful universe), and controller, deserves to be Supreme. And since nothing is beyond His… Read more »
Vajra

And Bro Karna

BTW every soul is potentially equal. So you are as great as any of us 🙂

Karna
😀 Thanks for a beautiful explanation @Vajra Brother. I’ll surely read all the articles before asking any question regarding the “Trinity”. By great souls I meant “Mahatma”, cause all of you are really doing a great job!! Every soul no doubt is potentially equal, but some do perform remarkable feats… Read more »
Human

sorry to interrupt, but Kapilji kya aap punya nahin kamana chahtey??
Ok leave it, my question is- aaap paap aur punya me se kya kamana chahtey hain aur kyun kamana chahtey hain ???

Human

Vajra Ji, this applies to hidutwa also, why did Eshwar created human beings to worship him? or as you say why your respective dieties turn away their faces to those who do not worship them ???

GOD IS GREAT
Dear! One thing I must tell you. If you are an atheist than it is fine. You have freedom of religion. But if you are a Muslim, (you are free to practice any belief in India), I would request NOT to insult humanity by naming yourself as a human. Islam… Read more »
Truth Seeker

@Human
Who the bastered told you God created us for fulfilling its worshiping desire of itself. Only Shaitan think like this.

shafaq

Kapil Bhaiji, why did Ram went for akhet, why did he shot a buck for, wasn’t he trying to kill one animal???

Truth Seeker

@shafaq
Its wrong Ram went for killing the deer. It is mis-propaganda spreaded by fanatics.

raj.hyd
muslom kaha karte hai ki kuran allah ka kalam hai ?kaise hai jara batlaye ? kuran ko kisi farishte ke madhyam se kyo bheja gaya ? kya farishte jinn hote hai ? iska sabut kya hai ? jokurani allah sari kaynat banane kisi ki sahayta nahi letaa vah 23 sal… Read more »
raj.hyd

agar ek kamre me kuran ho aur usi me das lakh rupaye rakhe ho , tab sabse pahale kisko bachayenge rupya niakalenge ya kuran ko ?

Spirit
Brother cantakeitmore, vajra brother was nicely making u understand of the fact. Causes are because of cause. There is cause behind every phenomenon. Thus when u search the causes one after another, u ud get an ultimate cause. Now u can ask what is the cause bhind ultimate cause. That… Read more »
Laks
Wonderful article..I feel as if I got the answer for the puzzle!!..I am lucky that I came across this website. I have a doubt ..Please clarify.. I believe Astrology. Has Veda’s mention about astrology anywhere?..how positions of the planets are linked to our life? I feel ‘Astrology’ is one more… Read more »
Raghunandan
Awesome.. my logics were almost similar i feel lot happier to find the similar answers but my doubts are still existing that is 1. i feel that “After attaining Moksha you act like god himself , there will not be any difference between the two except they being two souls”… Read more »
Raghunandan
3. there are innumerable number of souls so the process keep on happening i think, as each cell in animal is also a soul remember!! and the universe is vast considering Bhagavad Geetha it is highly rare like 0.0000…….0000001 of probability where people have understood **3. there are innumerable number… Read more »
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Indian Agnostic
Namste Brother Vajra and KB sharing whatever little i understand on the subject There are multiple Realities in this world depending on who and what frame of reference these are being seen from. Lets take “colors” for example. Do colors exist ? for all those who have certain kinds of… Read more »
Vajra
Namaste Brother Indian Agnostic The greatest reality to me at the moment is that I am talking to my dear Bro after a long time 🙂 Great to see you back! My views/questions on your post- ———-There are multiple Realities in this world depending on who and what frame of… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Vajra: I think the thing to keep in mind about Advaita is that Advaita defines Reality as that which is unchanging [true both in Vyavaharika as well as Paramartha]. Now, you can surely dispute this definition. But if you DO accept this definition of reality, Advaita claims that the only… Read more »
Vajra

Bro KB

——-Advaita defines Reality as that which is unchanging———

So “Vyavaharika level of reality” must be an oxymoron?

And thanks @ purpose of Darshana, I liked it.

KalBhairav
@Bro Vajra: So “Vyavaharika level of reality” must be an oxymoron? This is the very bone of contention between Advaitins and Dvaitins. 🙂 Advaitins will answer everything is consciousness. If it werent for consciousness, nothing would even manifest. Advaita will give examples about how even with electrons being 99% empty,… Read more »
KalBhairav
@IA: Good points. Another difference between Advaita and other realist schools is that Advaita believes in cause preexisting in an unmanifested state within the effect itself. All Vedanta Darshanas believe so. They use this, in part, to explain the Nasadiya Sukta of RV. Advaita believe in Vivartavada [effect is unreal]… Read more »
KalBhairav

Sorry…effect preexisting in unmanifested state within cause itself…

KalBhairav
@Vajra: It appears that that Swami Dayanand’s position is similar to the Dvaitin position. According to this, Jivas are different in kind from Brahman. As also Prakriti. But they are also not completely different. This is expressed as identity-in-difference – bheda-abheda [difference-nondifference]. Example would be the sun vs sun rays.… Read more »
Truth Seeker

@KB

KB, Please give me your E mail ID.

KalBhairav

@TS:

klbhairav at gmail dot com

Vajra

Thanks for the link Bro. Will surely read when get time.

KalBhairav
@Bro Vajra: In Advaitic view, the best way to describe Brahman is existence-consciousness-bliss. This is NOT an attribute or property of a thing called Brahman, but is the very essence of Brahman. Now, if we understand “Tat Tvam Asi”, what is it telling us? The inhering soul in “me” or… Read more »
Vajra
KB I always find it difficult to appreciate the contradiction b/w Vyavharika and Paramartha level. It is because the very concept of Paramartha level is again the product of Vyavharika level that contains ignorance! Why there should be any contradictions within two realities, is the question? Also why Brahman in… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Vajra: I dont think Advaita claims that there is a contradiction between Paramartha and Vyavaharika. There is enhanced and true knowledge about the way things are. The standard example that explains this is: if you see a rope in the dark you mistake it as a snake and run away… Read more »
Vajra
KB Actually problem in discussing Paramartha level is that we dont get any similitude to describe. We give examples of Vyavharika to understand Paramartha which, I believe, is technically incorrect. For example reflection, rope, snake etc are all from Vyavharika and thus cant be used for Paramartha. Thus, I think,… Read more »
Vajra
KB I read Dayanand’s Traitvaad (three eternal entities- God, soul, and matter) and found very logical. We (souls), with the help of matter (Prakriti) as tool, am searching God (we can call it as Eeshvar or Brahman). When soul attains Moksha, it still does not become one with Eeshvar. It… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Vajra: On Vyavharika level, is this relation of Maya and Eeshvar/Brahman without beginning? If yes then how can its end possible? This is an old controversy – as to where exactly does Maya reside. If it is with Brahman, then you are right, moksha is NOT possible. Shankara is clear… Read more »
adolf

@KalBhairav,
The explanation will be complete only if you describe the three anologies in sequence.

Rope appearing as snake
Missing Necklace of the lady
Mirage in desert

adol

@KalBhairav,
refer to Talk 315 in talks with sri ramana maharshi for more info.

KalBhairav

@adolf:

Could you elaborate more on the differences between the three analogies? Thx.

Mohamad Arya

please ans a question of mine
if god didnot create us then who created us
and how the number of human beings are increasing population i mean

Vajra
Namaste Mohamad 1. Here “us” denotes souls. Of course the bodies for souls are created and managed by Eeshvar. 2. Every living being possesses soul. On earth itself, souls in human form are much smaller in number as compared to billions of other souls in other species. So the souls… Read more »
Mohamad Arya
thanks for the answer brother but one thing I am not getting if soul and my body i.e. jeev is happy killing another one and as you said god wants my soul to be happy so for me killing is not a crime Please understand I am serious about it… Read more »
Vajra
Mohammad ———jeev is happy killing another one——- Jeev is so ignorant that it does not realize what happiness is. For example a child can attract to fire and touch it thinking it to be enjoyable but ends up burning himself. Similar way Jeev, as stated by KB, has lot of… Read more »
KalBhairav
@Mo Arya: As per my understanding, the soul is the witness. It is NOT the doer. The soul has multiple layers of samskaras/predispositions that cover it. This is why when Krishna says in the BG that your job is to do your duty and not worry about the results. By… Read more »
Vajra

Bro KB

You believe souls perform actions (mental, verbal, and physical). Then I couldn’t understand how soul is not the doer? I agree that it acts under the influence of Samskaras, but it always has to have some scope for DOING something.

ravi
It is true that the ancient Hebrews invented Religious Genocide, which is the killing of other peoples for having a different religion than the killers’ own. They did this by murdering the priestesses and priests of the competing deities worshiped within their own population, then the competing clergy of all… Read more »
shreya
“Whether we call it Vedantism or any ism, the truth is that Advaitism is the last word of religion and thought and the only position from which one can look upon all religions and sects with love . We believe it is the religion of the future enlightened humanity .… Read more »
ravi
Lord Shiva, his family, and Universe —————————————————————– Shiva represents the endless empty space which holds the whole Universe. Shakti represents the energy fields of every Particles, Planet, Stars, Galaxies, and Universe. Ganesh represents all the five forms of matter (solid, liquid, fire, gas, ether) formed out of the Universe of… Read more »
sunil

I.m sorry:.I couldn’t find answer to.my qs:plz.reply in the context.

ravi
Consciousness and Religions ————————————————– Time sccale for evolution of Consciousness is in the order of Billions of Years. The flow of Consciousness is like a river, when there is a uneven surface (trough or peak) along the path of flow, the water get stagnant there. Only in the plain &… Read more »
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