Is God testing us?

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This article is also available in Hindi at http://agniveer.com/god-testing-hi/

Note: This article does not intend to deride any religious belief. On contrary, Agniveer believes in utmost respect for any religious belief, irrespective of religion, so far it is respectful and tolerant of others. This article is a series of questions addressed specifically to those who believe that only their religion is best and others are inferior. The aim of the article is to drive home the point that religion is a matter of personal faith. Any attempt to desire others to leave their personal faiths and imbibe my favorite religion will be full of logical loopholes. Any reference to name of any religion in this article refers only to those elements in these religions who are indulged in conversion activities.

Many people in world believe that:

- God is just, kind, perfect
- This life is our first and last life (Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara)
- God is testing us here (Bhagwan Pariksha Le Raha Hai)
- Based on the marks we obtain in this test, we will go to either Heaven or Hell. (Swarg ya Narak)

 One Life which is Test, God is best examiner, and Result is Pass (Heaven) or Fail (Hell) .

 

Let us evaluate this basic construct critically through a series of examples, and decide whether it is logically plausible.

1.
Many children die in the wombs. Would they go to Heaven or Hell? Many say they go to Heaven because they never did anything wrong in their lives.

Now my question is “Did they even have an option to do anything wrong?”

Is God not being partial by clearing one candidate even without starting his examination, and another one has to keep giving test after test continuously for 100 years!

2.
Many children die young before they reach maturity. Even the wrong acts they do are not out of willful desire to do something wrong but out of innocence. Would they reach Heaven or Hell?

If they reach Heaven, then why does God not kill everyone in their childhood and ensure a seat in Heaven for them? Is God not being unjust and imperfect?

If they reach Hell, what was their fault?

Say twins were born. Both lived same innocent life for first 3 years. Then one died. He will go straight to Heaven. The other remained innocent for next few years, then got into bad company and died at age of 60. Now he would go to Hell simply because God decided to test him instead of his brother whom God killed as a child..

Is this not God’s crime that he made him live for 60 years and not his brother? Had he killed both at same age of 3 years, both would have gone to Heaven!

So if there is one life and permanent Heaven/Hell, it proves God is unjust.

 

3.
A person is born insane. His mental faculties have not developed beyond say, age of five. But he lives a long life. Will he go to Hell or Heaven?

Again the same questions as above rise. And result in either God being unjust or concept of one life as test to enter Heaven/Hell being wrong.

 

4.
Different people are born and nurtured in different religions. But each religion says that only followers of their religion will go to Heaven. Others will go to Hell irrespective of their deeds.

So who will go where?

What is my fault if I was born and brought up in a different religion? Why has God planned my stay in Hell from advance?

 

5.
People say that children are innocent and hence they will go in Heaven, if they die young. Suppose a person takes this view seriously and resolves to gift heaven to all children. As a noble example of self-sacrifice, he starts killing children. His logic is that, even if I have to burn in Hell forever, I should do my best to ensure that these innocent children get reservation for Paradise!

Thus he is doing a selfless social service. Will he go to Heaven or Hell?

If he goes to Heaven, then God is setting a wrong example for people to follow.

If he goes to Hell, then selflessness is bad.

Further, since no one will actually know who will go where until doomsday comes, it means God has already spread enough confusion to motivate many innocent selfless social workers to follow the path of infanticide and killing!

6.
An unbiased testing environment will demand that
- first the topic be taught to everyone with same facilities and attention under same conditions,
- then they should be evaluated under same testing environment.

Accordingly, God should have first imbibed true religion and its scriptures in hearts of all people, then given them birth in same types of family, allowed them to grow up in same place and in same conditions, and only then should have conducted the test.

But in this world, we find the testing environment to be as diverse as one can possibly imagine. And yet God is claimed to be perfect, just and kind!

Most religious scholars answer this paradox by saying that God knows how to decide the fate by whatever acts people have done in their respective lives based on whatever environment they had to live in. This seems to be like God having something like the Duckworth-Lewis formula which is used to decide winner of an interrupted cricket match.

Now this raises few doubts:

One,
if indeed God is perfect and He has such a great scoring formula, why did he create the entire drama and wasted so many years? He should have used the formula in the very beginning and directly sent everyone to either Heaven or Hell!

Two,
If the formula works on a stillborn child or a fetus, why did he unnecessarily bias against certain folks and had them face troubles of long lives? After all He had created everyone equal to start with!

Three,
The test seems to have binary results. Either you get Heaven or Hell. There seems to be no concept of variation of results as per deeds. Some books do talk of several varieties of Heaven, but these merely increase a binary solution to a finite number solution (Instead of one Heaven and one Hell, there are now say 10 Heavens and 10 Hells). But still there is no continuous gradation. It is like a continuous function equation is giving a non-zero discrete answer, which is mathematically improbable.

7.
People seem to be retaining their youthful bodies in Heaven. Now will they be able to change their looks if they want to? What about children and fetus who go to Heaven? Will they go as adults? Will they receive a training in the language which is supposed to be the language of Heaven? If indeed so, why did God not make the same language as that of Heaven the lingua-franca on earth also?

8.
What about animals – reptiles, insects, mammals and other creatures? Will they go to Heaven or Hell? The earlier belief was that animals do not have souls. But now that it has been amply proved that at least the higher animals feel pain and pleasure like humans, the opinion is divided.

Some claim that they will also go to Heaven. Others say that God knows the best!

In case they go to Heaven, why did God bias against others and not gave them birth as cockroaches and goats? That way they too would have got straight passport to Heaven!

In case they go to Hell, what was their fault?

Also, will they live like cockroaches and goats, or will they get human body? Will their intelligence be enhanced? Or they remain equally dumb as in earth?

9.
Heaven and Hell seem to be permanent. It will continue forever, as per these religions. Now if that be so, God’s injustice becomes even more prominent in light of above points.

Based on one single test, God put certain people directly in Heaven without testing them at all! Others he tested for so many years. Some he gave birth in homes of Apostates.

Is this not gravest cheating?

God is the most unjust and biggest cheater in these stories of there being one single exam and Heaven/Hell forever be true.

A corollary:
What would happen if people start fighting or cheating or adultery in Heaven? Will they be shifted to Hell? Or will they be permitted to do whatever they want and yet remain in Heaven?

10.
Recently there was news that a 2 month old baby was raped.

Now who is being tested? The victim or the rapist?

If its test of victim, is it in a position to respond?

If its test of the rapist, why the hell did God make the poor little baby as a scapegoat?

God seems nothing more than a crazy, stupid, psychopathic dictator if these stories be true.

11.
Almost all books of Eastern philosophies refute the concept of one birth. They believe in life being a continuous cycle not interrupted by death. Its broadly termed the Theory of Karma.

Now if this were not true, why did God confuse minds of people who were born in Eastern part of the globe, from very childhood.

God has done great miracles in past including burning entire towns and villages, and giving birth to Jesus without need of a human father. If He can do so much, why did he not burn these books of East forever? After all He himself laid the criteria that those who refuse to believe in Jesus or Muhammad will go to Hell! Ideally he should have stopped the creation of these Eastern books in the first place!

12.

What about terrorists who were brainwashed from very childhood to do Jehad? Will people like Kasab who killed many in Mumbai attack go to Heaven or Hell? They were simply brainwashed by fanatics to take up arms to seek God!

13.

People say that God forgives the sins of one who accepts the true path of God! 

This means that regardless of whatever you have done, if finally you say sorry, you will go scot-free in Heaven! 

And if you have been a devout believer but at last moment you say, “I refuse to believe”, he will give you ticket to Hell.

This raises further doubts:

One,
Does it not render the entire life and all its multi-dimensionality and complexity wasteful? The entire life, its efforts, its studies all go for a toss, and what remains is a final yes or no. Is this not against nature?

We all know anger is bad. But still we succumb to anger at times, due to limits of our understanding and our neural programming.

So if someone has been a believer throughout but out of confusion, in last few days of his life, became an apostate, why should he be punished so severely?

And another one, who was apostate forever, why should he be rewarded Heaven despite all the nonsense he thought and did for decades?

No decision is without confusion. The only way to take a right decision without confusion is to know everything and be able to analyze everything. This is impossible for any human. Thus no decision of human can be considered reliable and final.

Thus regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with message of God, the decision is full of confusion and based on extremely limited knowledge.

Is God not crazy then to curse one to Hell and another one to Heaven forever, based on a momentary decision which was taken out of ignorance?

Is God not unjust to have designed such a faulty testing mechanism that relies on ignorance of people which will decide the fate of all souls forever?

 

Two,
Does it not provide an inbuilt incentive mechanism in the system to keep doing all sorts of nonsense throughout the life and say sorry at the end?

We thus, see many becoming saint-like as old age comes to say sorry and go to Heaven. More careful ones do the nonsense, and then confess the same, and go scot-free!

 

Three,
Why does nature work opposite to God’s method then? Was nature designed by God when he was imperfect?

Because in nature, if you commit a mistake, you cannot go scot-free without paying the price.

If you eat lots of sugars and get diabetic, you do not get cured by saying Sorry! You need to undergo the entire treatment process and even then perfect cure is not guaranteed. We do not get strong by saying, Sorry! We do not get back our teeth by saying, Sorry! We do not become scholars by saying, Sorry! We do not master skills by saying, Sorry!

On contrary, in nature, everything happens in a continuous process as per definite laws. There is simply no escape from it. Why does God suddenly become so dismally and so confusingly discrete then! God must be crazy!

 

17.
If God is just and kind, why does He demand belief in things we can neither see, hear, analyze or feel, for booking our permanent future?

Neither we see God, nor see Him doing the kind of miracles, nor we witness any special divine people around, nor we have seen even trailer of Heaven/ Hell.

Yet belief in each of these is necessary to book a seat in Heaven!

And if we do not, we are doomed to Hell forever!

On top of it, God gave us the intelligence to be able to test what is fraud and what is right. In this world, we respect those people more who have more of this intelligence.

But in God’s kingdom, this intelligence is the greatest cause of sin.

Only the blinds will enter the Heaven. Rest shall burn in Hell!

The God’s world is indeed very confusing.

God must be crazy!

Note: The concept of God in Vedas is quite different. It is an entity that never deviates for unchangeable laws, does not test us, only helps us, gives life after each death, and supports our progress throughout through helping us eradicate ignorance through our own efforts. 

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    • says

      1. you asked those new born child they go to Heaven and rest of the world we go Heaven or Hell according to their deeds so you asked Is God unjust? No! because Qur’an gives the answer,”we created dead and life to test you” it only means the new born child is a test for parents whether they still believe in God or not. that doesn’t mean God is unjust the child was created for the test to their parents.

      2.you asked some people born in Hindu family they became Hindu and others born in Muslim family they became pure devotee to God so why not God created everyone in Muslim family? you don’t know the Qu’ran Allah says in the Qur’an in Surah Fussilat that surely we shall show you our signs until it is clear to them this is the Truth” which clearly means Allah(God) will show his signs whether you are a Muslim or Hindu after showing his signs if you accept the truth you will go to Heaven otherwise you will go to Hell

      • Justin says

        @ myreplytoyourfoolishargumentsaboutgod:

        How can you believe that everyone regardless of environment will undoubtedly have signs shown to them that the Christian/Muslim beliefs are true. If this was obvious as you say it is, then most people would be the religion that these signs correlate to. Personally, I was raised in a Mormon house where I was conditioned to believe in a ridiculous cult. I entertained this nonsensical belief until the age og 16 when I researched the Mormons and found there was nothing credible to the Book of Mormon or the religion. However, I was NOT allowed to research other churches or attend with friends. To this day, all I know is what I know from talking with people at school or research. I have never in my life experienced a sense that I was receiving truth except as a young naive child being taught my parents’ beliefs. Furthermore, what about people who existed before Islam or Christianity. What about the aborigines of Australia or New Zealand who only lived and died without any possible word or sign of a savior. I guarantee they had no signs because the only reason Christinaity or Islam exist is its spread by its members. If it was possible to have these whimsical signs you speak of why did millions ignore them? If even one out of the millions who have lived in ignorance but seen these signs believed then there would be a record of it or spoken stories or something. If not, then what’s the point of having signs that no one will accept. It seems like this is just dooming people to hell since we already know most will ignore these divine signs. For thousands (hundreds of thousands if you accept evolution) then these Aborigines only knew their cultural beliefs. Yet they did not live according to your gospel so they receive only punishment or a lack of reward. How can any free thinking individual buy this conclusion? You see, we want to believe in an afterlife so bad that we will accept anything as true, no matter how crazy, as long as it gives us hope for something after death.

      • Mozlem says

        Why did Allah write or reveal Quran in Arabic only. Why not in all human languages.
        When only bodily perfect humans will be allowed in heaven why did he attach the extra foreskin to all Mulims so there is need to cut it. What happens to imperfect men (mutilation from cutting foreskin)? So all muslim men bound to go to hell hell because their body is now not as per given by Allah but modified/mutilated. Show me where in Qoran it says men with foreskin cut will go to heaven.

    • GOD IS GREAT says

      One point needs to be made here.

      Archaeologists have found that life started in India. Oldest inhabitant place in the world is Varanasi. Fossils of humans were found as old as 27,000 years old. Adolf Sielacher and other archaeologists were shocked when they found that fossils in India have beaten the African records too.

      Now, something important about the origin of religions. In 18,000 BCE times (or even older than that), there was only 1 religion: Hansha Varna (तन्नो हंस: प्रचोदयात) It was also called as Sanatan Dharma (Meaning: the eternal religion). The civilization was Saraswati River civilization. Vedas were official scriptures and were usually learnt orally. That why they were called श्रुतीज्ञान (Meaning: Listened knowledge). It was followed at a place named as Aryavart (Modern day Indian sub continent).

      In 8,000 BCE, Antarctica learnt civilizations and followed it. It however, did not follow any major religion. Civilization started in Africa in 6,400 BCE. Nile Valley civilization was the name. It was however re – established in 4,200 BCE. In 3,600 BCE, Egyptian civilization was started and was given the name – Amratian Society of Upper Egypt.

      In 3,138 BCE, Mahabharata war took place in India leading to a huge destruction. Harappa and Mohanjodaro demise was famous. Archaeologists have found that the level of destruction at that time was similar to what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki of Japan. This proved that was a nuclear war. After witnessing such a war (may be for the first time), Earth was trembled. Consequently, the very basis of Indian civilization – Saraswati River dried. Then arose the need of new civilization and culture in India.

      Then, new civilization – Indus Valley civilization was started. The idea was to preserve the culture. The origin is roughly dated to be 3,000 BCE. Hansha and Indus were merged to get the name Hindu. Thats nothing but modern day, Hinduism. From that, the nation gets the name – Hindustaan.

      Sage Veda Vyasa decided to write Mahabharata story which…

      • GOD IS GREAT says

        … Vaishampayana first told to Janamejaya. He requested Lord Ganesha to help. He then consolidated Vedas in 2nd millenium BCE. NOTE that Veda Vyasa is only consolidator and NOT the creator of Vedas. If wars like Mahabharata will keep on happening, who will preserve divine knowledge and how? So, he wanted to preserve Vedas and wrote them to save mankind.

        Arabs got civilizations in 1,000 BCE and after that (due to Indian intervention), they learnt the number system and propagated that to the rest of the world. They followed their civilization / culture – given the name Islam. In 350 AD, Muhammad got birth and after him, Quran was written to popularize Islamic beliefs. Judaism born in 2,200 BCE and Christianity in just beginning of AD times. Zoroastrianism started in Persia in 500 BCE.

        This is how the major religions got birth. All this is proved archaeologically and scientifically. (Pls note: The dating is approximate). Today, these are our assumptions:
        1: Oldest and purest religion is HINDUISM
        (Fact: Its not HINDUISM but SANATAN DHARMA, the oldest religion. Sanatan Dharma is the actual pure form because it is ever liberal. Due to Humanitarian views / democratic leadership styles, Sanatan Dharma principles form the basic of all religion – Be good, Be helping etc. Hinduism on the other hand was modified a number of times. Its Hinduism whose principles are found to be mixed with superstitions may be due to western impact. Such discrepancies however does not exist in Sanatan Dharma.)
        2: HINDUISM = SANATAN DHARMA
        (Fact: SANATAN DHARMA = father of HINDUISM)
        3: There is nothing called as HANSHA VARNA
        (Fact: HANSHA VARNA is a name mentioned in Vedas to followers of Sanatan Dharma)
        4: All Indians are Hindu by default.
        (Fact: Where will other religions like Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism go? They all share some commonness but that’s because of India as whole and not Hinduism as such.)
        5: Vedas are books of Hinduism.
        (Fact: Vedas are the book for the entire cosmos. The word Hindu nowhere existed in Vedas…

        • GOD IS GREAT says

          … The word Sanatan Dharma existed but that relates to eternalness. While Bible / Quran speaks of welfare of I or we; Vedas think for all: सर्वे भवंतु सुखिन सर्वे संतु निरामया । सर्वे भद्रानि पश्यंतु मा कश्चिद्दु:खभागभवेत ॥
          )

          The thing to be learnt from this is, understanding religion is a journey from myself to my team and finally to the entire cosmos. That is, a journey from self centered attitude to team focussed and finally to universality. REMEMBER, SPIRITUALITY ISN’T A BUSINESS AND COMPETITION PLAYS NO ROLE HERE. Thats exactly what sets this apart from other fields.

          • Farah says

            Mr Agniveer go sleep somewhere, you need rest! tomorrow, May Allah Guide you before that, if you also go to hell , even you will say, Yes Allah You Are the Most Just, this is what i deserve. You will testify yourself. thats a challenge. See you on the day of judgement.

      • Nivas says

        Are you crazy? In africa, the civilization is the oldest. Fossils of 5 lakh years old have been found. These humanoids all were in africa. Only after the first homo sapiens came did they migrate out of africa.
        Where did you get the craziest that 27000 years was the oldest humans.
        You are saying that there was nuclear war at that time? If there was a nuclear war in 3000BC, then why is there no radiation?
        Give proof on where you got these facts from.

        • VEDIC GOD IS GREAT says

          Brother Nivas! Don’t be angry.
          Regarding Indian civilization, yes – it was wrong to conclude that oldest fossil was only 27,000 years old. Archeologists were shocked to find stone inscriptions which was approximately 2.2 million year old. AFP Washington reports in Science Magazine that German Scientist Adolf Seilachar and Indian Scientist P.K. Bose have unearthed fossil in Churhat a town in Madhya Pradesh, India which is 1.1 billion years old and has rolled back the evolutionary clock by more than 500 million years.
          So, oldest civilization is Indian only. West have proposed lie about this ancient Vedic land because they wanted to rule us. Even today, Hindus believe in Aryan Invasion MYTH because they are brainwashed by foreigners. Please don’t be carried away by those idiot Barbarians who say anything to conclude that Indian civilization is later developed. Most of them believe in Bible & hence say that Vedas were written in 2,000 BCE bcoz Biblical flood makes them do so.

          May this video guide you.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9s1h3WJ5kg

          Nevertheless, it is established that Indian civilization is one of the oldest and yet followed by a majority. It is our job to protect it from adulteration done by Abrahamics. So, let’s not fight about origin of civilizations & try to bring back the lost glory of India.

        • Vikram Adithya says

          “war in 3000BC, then why is there no radiation?”
          Untold truths of Harappa, there were many skeletons found in roads/streets, homes, it feels like they died by some magic… untold truth is those skeletons are radioactive..
          I am not concluding mahabharatha happened there or some bomb dropped there, but it reveals that our ancients were involved with radioactive material…

  1. says

    brother, i'm a Muslim (Alhamdulillah) and am near to the heaven and the hell as you are, Allah knows the best, for now, i guess you're too much in anger and ignorance so i won't advice you to understand Quran or Bible this time, 'cuz you won't understand them in this condition. What i advice you is to read your Vedas and Upnishads. Once you read and analyze them calmly and completely then have a look at the latter (Q n B) or just Quran will be enough. See, it's only when the Islam has answers to all these questions that it is the world's fastest growing religion. So brother, calm down and seek knowledge not popularity, lest you become infernal. I'll pray for your guidance. For any queries, do mail me at:
    wandering4nirvana@rocketmail.com
    i'll try to help you where ever i can. Insha Allah.

    • Proud to be a Kafir says

      @ubaidullah
      1. We have already gone thru all the scriptures that you advised us to read, now pls clear our misconception and answer about the anomallies pointed out on this site about quran & bible
      2.Why via mail brother. Why not on a public forum like this to clear our ignorance

    • says

      @ all muslim frnds,

      u all just belive one persone saying without confirming whether it is true or not. as per bhagwat dharma god lives in every person every creature inside. is is servyapak serva shaktiman. he dont need to testify any body. you person do each and every thing just for getting heven and fear of hell. u dont think that u lost so many other things. have u ever think that some one just use u by just giving u lolipop of heven. i dont ishwer need to brag himself that who is he and what can he do. and he surly will not show chamatkar by ruin the city or sending plauge. this can be done by even a simple mouse.

    • Mozlem says

      So worlds fastest growing relgion does not mean anything to do with intelligence. There are more animals then muslims, more fish more birds so forth. Does it have anything to do with heaven or hell or with any rational intelligence. So increase population by producing worthless issues so all live in hell on earth and aspire to get a better afterlife as in heaven.

    • Aditya says

      Dear brother!
      you should never blindly believe in anything.You have to question everything.Questioning is the highest form of acquiring knowledge.You should also question god and the beliefs .The more you question about god,the more closer you become to him. If you don’t get a proper answer,it means there is a flaw.You are telling Islam is the fastest growing religion do you think the converts pose these kinds of questions.It is purely of the ignorance of their own religion that they are converting.I have seen many videos where conversions in UK are done in the streets!!! While there is no process of conversion in sanathana Dharma.You can pray to Allha,jesus,ram or any god and still follow sanathana dharma. That is the beauty of it.

    • says

      brother, i’m a hindu (namaskar) and am near to the heaven and the hell as you are, Allah knows the best, for now, i guess you’re too much in anger and ignorance so i won’t advice you to understand vedas or upanishads this time, ‘cuz you won’t understand them in this condition. What i advice you is to read your quran and hadees. Once you read and analyze them calmly and completely then have a look at the latter (vedas and upanishads) or just vedas will be enough. See, it’s only when the hinduism has answers to all these questions that it is the world’s oldest mother of all religions. So brother, calm down and seek knowledge not popularity, lest you become infernal. I’ll pray for your guidance. For any queries, do mail me at:prashant_pallay@yahoo.com

  2. says

    I am a follower of the religion of Abraham. This is the oldest religion in the world and this is the religion that has been corrupted by the enemy of god and that is why through out time the messengers and prophets are sent to preach back this religion to the people. This religion is also known as brahman and the exact name of this religion is Asalama (A-we, Salama-save). All the scriptures sent down through the prophets talks about the only religion accepted by God. All scriptures sent in one language and later translated to other language. I will try to answer your questions based on the understanding of the scriptures and all the scriptures are consistent when we are looking at similarity and not differences.
    The reason why we are here? Well, the sole existence of mankind is to worship and submit to God. Happiness can oly be achieved when we gain knowledge and performed our duty to god. This means that everybody born in this world be it in any religion, are being tested. How to pass the test? The scriptures are sent down through out time to convey god’s messages about the religion. However, when the religion is corrupted, new scripture will be sent and the last scripture is the al quran. Yet, the quran also being corrupted by way it is read. So, the quran is actually talks about the religion of abraham and does not have anything to do with islam. Islam is created to corrupt the actual religion and deviated people from the true relgion. To pass the test is reading and understanding the book of god and do what that is commanded by god. Do not let anybody decide for you what is right as the test is to each and everyone of us. The religion of god is great, you should gain greatness only when you are the follower of the true religion.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      @mahadaya

      ➊ Since your madarsa may not have an internet connection, let me share with you the fact that the ‘oldest living religion’ of the world is Hinduism and NOT that of Abraham which started with Judaism
      ➋ You say that the message of your Allah was corrupted by previous followers. It only shows how INCAPABLE your God is in saving his own message!!
      HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT A GOD WHO CANNOT PROTECT HIS MESSAGE WILL BE ABLE TO SAVE YOU !
      ➌Unfortunately your understanding of Arabic is as poor as your understanding(read lack of) of history. Aslama means “he surrendered, he submitted” and not ‘we save”. That’s why Islam is a religion of SURRENDER and NOT PEACE as some dawagandists potray.
      ➍If you say that we are here for a test by Allah ..then i would say that your Allah is cruel and unjust.
      ➔Many babies die in womb or just after they are born…have they gone through any test? how is their test equal to the test of a man who has to live whole 100 years being tested every day???
      ➔Not all people are born with the same mental,physical or environmental setup.Isn’t is cruelly unjust to give different starting conditions to people and then expect all of them to reach the finish line ?

      So keep your unjust and cruel doctrine to yourself bro.

      The only test that i see in this world is our fight against ignorance and in this case against stupid ghetto doctrines.

  3. says

    A lot of people are clueless of what does it mean by END OF THE WORLD. Well, actually everything that happen is by the will of God. As the religion of God is no longer existed in this world, God will sent back his messenger to preach the religion. The period of time to preach is limited and whoever that becomes a believer will be save and very small in numbers. When the period ended, God will sent his angels to help the messenger in the last war of the world. Prior to that the angels will sent down whole lot of disaster to people on earth. Look at what happen today, we have earthquake, volcano eruption, thypoon, flood, plague etc. All this signs have been told in the scriptures that are remembrances and warning from God, so that people will take caution and try to look at what they have done wrong.
    After the great war between the believers and the rest of the world, there will be a golden age where people will again live in harmony and peace as they have reach understanding and knowledge of god. The war will saw that the messenger will gain help from angels, man, genie, animals, birds and other created beings. The messenger is known by many names in many religion, imam mahdi in Islam, Kalki Uttar or incarnation of krishna in hindhu, Messiah in Christianity. The time is near and off course for the people in religion of god, we are being prepared by God as his army. We grew stronger by the days and we gain knowledge that men seek. The Glory is to serve God and dying is just a way to regain nearness to God forever.

  4. says

    Mr Indian Agnostic,

    Did I say Abraham religion is Judaism? When did the term HINDU created? The VEDAs did not talk abot Hindhuism. God’s message always got corrupted by the enemy of God. Why did God allow it to corrupt? Well, if is not corrupted then how to test who ever that try to find God? The last book that is the Quran is only corrupted by the reading but not by it’s meaning.
    Did I talk about arabic here? The oldest language is Arabaya that later replicate by the arabs to create the language of arabic. There are alot of words in arabaya that are borrowed by the sanskrit. Off course because arabaya is the root language. The word Yana for example means Universe in Arabaya. The arab change it to Alamin from the original Alama Yana. Thats why I say, Islam is created to confuse and deviated a lot of people.
    Who you are calling ignorance? You that believe in knowledge that are feed by the enemy of God and they will never revealed the truth as the truth will set you free from their influence. I believe in all the books sent from God as all these books are related to the same religion. Did you read the Vedas and find any similarity between it and al quran? Trust the book from God, it will lead you to the truth.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Mr Mahadaya

      ❶The term Hindu was coined by the greeks and persians long before the arabic ghazis razed indian shores
      ❷Now i am dead sure that you are google-blind ..otherwise you would not made the preposterous argument about Sanskrit.I leave this argument till the time you are grown up enough to be allowed to use Google by your parents
      ❸If there is at all a God, then again you are foolish to assume that a human being can at all be an enemy of an all powerful God…what kind of an impotent God it will be who needs puny little human zombies to protect his religion…..AND a God who cannot himself protect his religion ..cannot protect you when you are gone ..GOT IT SIR?

  5. says

    Dear Indian Agnostic,

    As i said earlier, you learned history from what source? Goggle owns by who? Who decide what is right or wrong? How do you know that that whatever are feed to you are right? Have you found any greatness by having knowledge that everybody in this world knows and assume as right?
    Human are created as servant to God and people should know what they supposed to do as God sent his book as a guidance. As a result, human will live in harmony and peace. If you’re are not blind then look at what happen day in day out , where the angels are sent to punish a lot of people because of their ignorance. Can you help other people to end human suffering that God sent down? Are your knowledge are of any use at all? Are you happy seeng other people live in misery? What is the different between you and an animal because you have eyes but do not see, have heart but do not feel and have ears but deaf.

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Dear Mahadaya,

      ▣you ask :As i said earlier, you learned history from what source?▣

      All from authentic sources my friend. For example, the history of barbarism of Islamic Invaders can be best studied through their autobiographies or that of muslim historians of that time.

      ▣you ask: Goggle owns by who? ▣

      unfortunately for you, most of the good things in the world are created by JEWS. :(…….And the internet was also created by kafirs or atheists …so what’s your point?

      and by the way, i asked you to use Google as a search engine and not as a content engine.

      go to archive.org to get the manuscripts of historians..or go to usc.edu for exact refernces on the hadit and quran…happy reading!

      ▣you ask: Who decide what is right or wrong? ▣

      on a practical level, there’s a simple test for judging right and wrong…”do unto others as you would have them do unto you!”

      if you think it is right to hate and kill others in the name of religion ..then you should ALSO find it right that others should hate and kill you in the name of religion.

      and if you find it wrong bith ways..as you MUST ..then indeed such a hateful teaching is wrong..see how simple it is :)

      ▣you ask: How do you know that that whatever are feed to you are right? ▣

      I agree..one should not blindly believe in feeds coming from here and there.

      and that’s why we have the disciples of history,archaelogy,science, philosophy to give us the correct insight.

      keep that book aside and start reading the REAL books of knowledge..it’s never too late.

      ▣you ask: Have you found any greatness by having knowledge that everybody in this world knows and assume as right?▣

      The greatness of knowledge is that it helps you reject stupid stories of flying donkeys with confidence…..The greatness of knowledge is that it is not based on mere ASSUMPTIONS but it’s a tool with which we keep narrowing down the assumptions…..The greatness of knowledge is that it leads you to wisdom, peace and humanity.

      Isn’t that GREAT!

      ▣you say: Human are created as servant to God and people should know what they supposed to do as God sent his book as a guidance. As a result, human will live in harmony and peace. If you’re are not blind then look at what happen day in day out , where the angels are sent to punish a lot of people because of their ignorance. ▣

      here’s your answer by the great philosopher Voltaire:

      ❄Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities-Voltaire❄✔

      does God need illiterate people to tell us what’s good or bad for us…what kind of a person in his senses would believe that god sends angels to punish people :(

      ▣you ask: Can you help other people to end human suffering that God sent down? ▣

      Yes! human beings are trying that all the time.

      Your prophet said that God sends down diseases as punishment..but look at humans ..they have found out many ways to fight your gods punishment……..Human beings know about the universe better than you god who that that the shooting stars are nothing but missiles of Allah against the devils.:))……Your God has created so much suffering not by his own hands ..he needs followers like you to make the rest of humanity suffer.

      and look at us humans ..we are still trying to wake the human inside you ..so that you could come out of absurd God’s domain..as you are a fellow human being.

      ▣you ask:Are your knowledge are of any use at all? ▣

      This is a dumb question.you are having a dialogue with me from ‘god’ knows where and still you have this question in your mind?….Your God was not able to create paper to write his message..human beings not only invented paper but have reached this stage that the world can become a less-paper if not paper-less world.

      ▣Are you happy seeng other people live in misery? ▣

      No I am not……Why do you think i am trying so hard keying these long paragraphs to a fellow human being who doesn’t even know the misery he is in ..and what misery he can bring to fellow human beings!

      ▣What is the different between you and an animal because you have eyes but do not see, have heart but do not feel and have ears but deaf?▣

      This can be said about you.

      1. shooting stars are not missiles ..but you won’t listen
      2. killing others is inhuman …but since your god approves of it your heart has become corrupted
      3.lets examine the animal kingdom …. primates attack other primates and take their females as captives ..the new leader kills the children of the previous leader of the pack…now compare this story with the prophet’s ..THERE’S NOT AN IOTA OF A DIFFERENCE AT ALL!..

      that’s what i have been trying to tell you brother …you have damaged your morality so much that you can’t even figure out the real animalistic ideology

      May Truth find you somehow
      Regards

    • Indian Agnostic says

      Dear Mahadaya,

      ▣you ask :As i said earlier, you learned history from what source?▣

      All from authentic sources my friend. For example, the history of barbarism of Islamic Invaders can be best studied through their autobiographies or that of muslim historians of that time.

      ▣you ask: Goggle owns by who? ▣

      unfortunately for you, most of the good things in the world are created by JEWS. :(…….And the internet was also created by kafirs or atheists …so what’s your point?

      and by the way, i asked you to use Google as a search engine and not as a content engine.

      go to archive.org to get the manuscripts of historians..or go to usc.edu for exact refernces on the hadit and quran…happy reading!

      ▣you ask: Who decide what is right or wrong? ▣

      on a practical level, there’s a simple test for judging right and wrong…”do unto others as you would have them do unto you!”

      if you think it is right to hate and kill others in the name of religion ..then you should ALSO find it right that others should hate and kill you in the name of religion.

      and if you find it wrong bith ways..as you MUST ..then indeed such a hateful teaching is wrong..see how simple it is :)

      ▣you ask: How do you know that that whatever are feed to you are right? ▣

      I agree..one should not blindly believe in feeds coming from here and there.

      and that’s why we have the disciples of history,archaelogy,science, philosophy to give us the correct insight.

      keep that book aside and start reading the REAL books of knowledge..it’s never too late.

      ▣you ask: Have you found any greatness by having knowledge that everybody in this world knows and assume as right?▣

      The greatness of knowledge is that it helps you reject stupid stories of flying donkeys with confidence…..The greatness of knowledge is that it is not based on mere ASSUMPTIONS but it’s a tool with which we keep narrowing down the assumptions…..The greatness of knowledge is that it leads you to wisdom, peace and humanity.

      Isn’t that GREAT!

      ▣you say: Human are created as servant to God and people should know what they supposed to do as God sent his book as a guidance. As a result, human will live in harmony and peace. If you’re are not blind then look at what happen day in day out , where the angels are sent to punish a lot of people because of their ignorance. ▣

      here’s your answer by the great philosopher Voltaire:

      ❄Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities-Voltaire❄✔

      does God need illiterate people to tell us what’s good or bad for us…what kind of a person in his senses would believe that god sends angels to punish people :(

      ▣you ask: Can you help other people to end human suffering that God sent down? ▣

      Yes! human beings are trying that all the time.

      Your prophet said that God sends down diseases as punishment..but look at humans ..they have found out many ways to fight your gods punishment……..Human beings know about the universe better than you god who that that the shooting stars are nothing but missiles of Allah against the devils.:))……Your God has created so much suffering not by his own hands ..he needs followers like you to make the rest of humanity suffer.

      and look at us humans ..we are still trying to wake the human inside you ..so that you could come out of absurd God’s domain..as you are a fellow human being.

      ▣you ask:Are your knowledge are of any use at all? ▣

      This is a dumb question.you are having a dialogue with me from ‘god’ knows where and still you have this question in your mind?….Your God was not able to create paper to write his message..human beings not only invented paper but have reached this stage that the world can become a less-paper if not paper-less world.

      ▣Are you happy seeng other people live in misery? ▣

      No I am not……Why do you think i am trying so hard keying these long paragraphs to a fellow human being who doesn’t even know the misery he is in ..and what misery he can bring to fellow human beings!

      ▣What is the different between you and an animal because you have eyes but do not see, have heart but do not feel and have ears but deaf?▣

      This can be said about you.

      1. shooting stars are not missiles ..but you won’t listen
      2. killing others is inhuman …but since your god approves of it your heart has become corrupted
      3.lets examine the animal kingdom …. primates attack other primates and take their females as captives ..the new leader kills the children of the previous leader of the pack…now compare this story with the prophet’s ..THERE’S NOT AN IOTA OF A DIFFERENCE AT ALL!..

      that’s what i have been trying to tell you brother …you have damaged your morality so much that you can’t even figure out the real animalistic ideology

      May Truth find you somehow
      Regards

  6. abhijeet4288 says

    Swami Vivekananda (1863-1902), Indian spiritualist

    On 9/11/1893 at World Parliament of Religions, Chicago he said to the gathering

    “We who had come from the east have sat here day after day and have been told in a patronizing way that we ought to accept Christianity because Christian nations are the most prosperous. We look about us and we see England the most prosperous Christian nation in the world, with her foot upon the neck of 250,000,000 Asiatics. We look back into history and see that the prosperity of Christian Europe begin with Spain. Spain’s prosperity began with the invasion of Mexico. Christianity wins its prosperity by cutting the throats of its fellow men. At such a price the Hindoo will not have prosperity.

    They come to my country and abuse my forefathers, my religion, and everything; they walk near a temple and say ‘you idolators, you will go to hell’, but they dare not do this to the Mohammedans of India, for the sword will be out, but the Hindu is too mild.

    And may I ask you, Europeans, what country you have ever raised to better conditions? Wherever you have found weaker races, you have exterminated them by the roots, as it were. You have settled on their lands, and they are gone for ever. What is the history of your America, your Australia, and New Zealand, your Pacific Islands and South Africa? Where are the aboriginal races there today? They have all been exterminated, you have killed them outright, as if they were wild beasts. It is only where you have not the power to do so, and there only, that other nations are still alive.

    If Christianity is a saving power in itself, why has it not saved the Ethiopians, the Abyssinians?”

    • even i cud be the next prophet... :) says

      @abhijeet:
      nice post.. this is wht real human shud be like……… we have a history that we have won more battles with peace than wars….. who so ever tried to take violence as the only way to stand against ne enemy … have perished……… without giving much results….
      but its sad to hear things that surely signal that only the people living within india are aiming to change this age old culture by spreading some another faith..
      we excepted them but now they want to change us… really sadddddddddd…..

    • MOHAMMED = SATAN. says

      but they dare not do this to the Mohammedans of India, for the sword will be out, but the Hindu is too mild.

      This is the only reason why SATAN worshippers – Christians & Mohammedans ruled us. Unfortunately, Hindus were too peaceful to react. The bitter truth of those 2 Satanic worshipers is that their so called religions are just carved out just to confuse rest of the world. Jesus was a man who related himself with GOD in a deceitful manner (was very well punished though – foolish Christians still believe that he will return later on.) while Mohammed was Satan himself. The book on Satan trinity related to Mohammed – check online by C H Martel. What an idiot Mohammed was.

      we excepted them but now they want to change us… really sadddddddddd

      West has progressed by debunking Christianity. India has congressed by rejecting Sanaatan Dharma. Muslims are ever unreformed (might take 1 trillion centuries for a Muslim to reform). I don’t know what is all this a sign of ?????????????????? O future prophet & Abhijeet Sir, there is no point in just being sad – now its time to fight against evil forces – Islam & Christianity.

  7. Dipankar says

    A one man kill a one people, he get only one noose, but he kill hundred peoples he get hundred times noose, but this system earthally not possible,hence god created hell.and one man gift a one man,he get one time gift, but he gifts hundread mans he gets hundread times gift earthally this is not possible hence god created heaven.

  8. Man says

    Mr. agniveer saheb.
    apne jo article likha
    wo islam, cristian aur judaism par likha jo baaten apne unke khilaf ki…

    par usk jawab apne apne dharm se to diya hi nahi.

    ap apne dharm ka parchar kar rahen hain ya dusre dharm par comment.

    kyun ki jab “shankar jee apne bete ko hi nahi pahchan sakte aur gusse men aakar 1 masoom ki gardan uda sakte hain” to bhala aise dharm men in baton ka kya jawab hoga.

    spasht karenge aap.

    • raj.hyd says

      manniy man ji , apko kya taklif ho rahi hai , yah to batlaiye ! jab ibrahim ji khuda ko apna beta samarpit kar sakte hai uski hatya ke liye taiyar ho sakte hai ,muhammad ji satve asman ja kar khuda se mil kar ek rat me hi vapas a sakte hai , muhammad ji chand ke do tukade isharon se kaar sakte hai , tab shankar ji bhi aisa kar sakte hai “keval ” isi me sachhai dhundhna kyo pasand karte hai ? kya yah pakshapat nahi hai ? ham to yah kahate hai ki sansar ki har bat ko andhvishvas ke madhyam se mat maniye sabhi ki janch kar lijiye 1 tab usko maniye “dharm me bhram” bahut shamil hai ! chahe koi bhi samuday kyo n ho ? sabhi ki janch kariye tab us par amal kijiye tab ham sab sachhai ko samajh sakenge kripya ek bar pura “satyarth prakash” padh lijiye agar achhi lage to maniye nahi to usko bhi chod dijiye !

      • Chandrakanth says

        Sir,
        I can understand your questions ,your answers ,your doubts and your statements,… One thing i need to clarify about you sir . Where could i meet you personally sir ?
        Please give me the details.Thank you.

  9. Man says

    agniveer jee ne jo bate yehaan par kaheen hain

    wo tak mayne nahin rakhti jabtak uska jawab wo ved se na den.

    har sawal 1 jawab chahta hai.

    agar in sab dharmon men ye sab baten nahi samajhne yogy hain to agniveer jee ap ise ved se samjhayen kyun ki apke hisab se ved sabse sahi hai.
    For e.g.
    Agar ap kahte hain ki
    “nokia ke handsets sahi nahin hain”

    to phir ap batayie kaun sa hendset sahi hai aur kyun?

    @ mannaniy raj jee
    apke comments dekh kar lag raha hai jaise ap bahut badi uljhan men hain.

    ap aise sawalo men phanse hain jinke jawab apke pas already hain bus thoda gahrai se sochen .

    • raj.hyd says

      manniy man ji . tab hamari ulajahan dur kyo nahi kar dete , hamko bhi gaharai me le chaliye ! apko yah batlaya to ja raha hai ved mane gyan uske madhyam se ap chahe to ishvar ko samajh sakte hai fir bhi agar apko kurani khuda achha lagta hai to apko puri ajadi hi ki ap keval usi se chipke rahe ! ap jaise muslimo ke liye ishvar ne kabhi bhi “vajebul katl ” jaisa adesh nahi diya hai !aisa lagta hai ki kurani khuda par manniy iblees ji ka “karishma “havi ” ho gaya tha jiske karan khuda ji ki buddhi bhi bad me bhatak gai ! tabhi to kuran me bahut si galtiyo ke “bhandar “hai ! fir muhammad ji ke mitro ne[jinhe sahaba kaha jata hai ] “betarteeb “kuran bana dali usko bhi andhvishvasi muslimon ne svikar kar liya ! agar sahaba adi parheji janvar ka bosa lene ke liye bhi kahate to muslim usko bhi svikar kar llete ! kyoki unko to andh vishvas bahut achha lagta hai ! ‘aklsharif ” ko tavajjo dena pasand nahi karte !

  10. Man says

    mr. raj

    Quran ki hifazat ALLAH ne li hai ise chahkar bhi koi nahin badal sakta yahan tak ki agar 1 zabar tak ka koi farq kare to pakra jayega aur yehai wajah hai ki ek 9 saal ka bachcha bhi poore quran ko yaad kar leta hai.

    hamen to pata hai ki quran men kitni surah aur ayat hain
    par kya ap bata sakte hain
    yajur ved men kitne mantr hain?

    • raj.hyd says

      ham jahan par ajkal rahate hai , vahan par ved nahi hai isliye ham sahi sankha batlane me asmarth hai 1 lekin koin koi ya kuch din bad ham apko jarur uttar de denge ! kya khuda ji nasihat lete hai ya sikhte hai 1 usne tauret , jabur injil ki hifajat karne ka theka kyo nahi liya usko apke hisab se milavat kaise ho gai , ya barbadi kaise ho gai ? jo nasihat se sikhta hai vah” kam akal vala ” kahalata hai ! jo thokar kha kar bhi n sikhe use murkh kaha jata hai ab batlaiye khuda ji kaise hai ? kya khuda ji ne kuran ki ayto me fer badal nahi kiya ?kuch kuran ki ayte mansukh [ radd , nirast ] nahi ki ? jab matr 23 sal me kuran me fer badal kiya ja sakta hai tab age kyo nahi kiya ja sakta ? kuran ki kitab to muhammad ji ke marne ke karib 25-30 sal bad bani hai , vah bhi “betarteeb ” usko bhi andh vishvasi muslimo ne manjur kar liya ? kathit sahaba ne de diya muslimo ne svikar kar liya ? kya pahali kuran ki ayat jo muhammad ji par utri thi vah al fatiya hai ? shuruat hi galat kar di ! jara yah bhi to smajhiye ! akhir jaise kuran utri thi vaise hi kitab ki shakal me dene kya taklif thi ! kya sahaba log muhammad ji se v khuda ji se bade ho gaye the ? kya muhammad ji ne aisa hi pesh karne ko kaha tha isbat ka kya sabut hai / muhammad ji ke samay me kitab kyo nahi bani ? jara vah bhi samajh lete tabhi muhammad ji bad me kaha gaye the ki meri ummato manne valo me 73 firke honge > bas usme ek firka hi jannat me jayega ! uska nam bhi vah “dar ke mare ” nahi le sake the kya us firke ka nam ap batla sakenge ? ab ap kahenge ki dar ke mare alfaj kyo pesh kar rahe hai kyoki kuran ki kitab ko shakl dene vale khalifa kahe jane vale uamar ji usman ji v ali ji ko namaj padte huye masjid me , v har me muslim kahlane VALO NE MUHAMMAD ji ko apni ankho se dekhne valo ne , unse pyar karne valo ne bhi unke sasusr ko v damad ko jivit chodna pasand nahi kiya muhammad ji ke bhi anek dushman honge ! jab unke nati husain ji jinko vah apni god me pet me khilate the vah bhi muslimo se apna jivan nahi bacha sake the yah hai islami itihas ki sachhai ! markat ,hatya to islam ke sath hi chal rahe hai pakistan me dekhlijiye , afagan me dekh lijiye libiya me yaman me somaliya me kahan nah muslim muslimke hatho nahi mare ja rahe hai kahan gaya” islami bhai chare” ka nara ! fir us bat ka kya hua jisme kaha jata hai ki maut to khuda ke hatho me hai fir inki maut kaise ho gai ? khuda ji ne kaise manjur kar liya ? muhammad ji ke rishtedar hokar bhi apni jan muslimo se hi nahi bacha sake !

    • says

      acha allah miyan toh quran ki hifazat karne ka khyal pichli teen kitabo ke khrab ho jane ke bad mein aaya ?
      injil, torait, aadi ko bachane ki kyu na soch li??

      chalie theek hai aapka allah lagta hai abhi seekh raha hai!!
      dheere dheere aur bhi bahut kuch seekh lega!!

    • yunus says

      @Man
      why Allah didn’t protect his previous words like Bible? was he unable to do so, or later he came to know that he must protect his word? if the story of corruption of bible is true than the man is mightier than Allah.

  11. Man says

    Aur ved bare men apka khyal hai.

    wo kya direct asman se utri hai

    maine pucha tha
    yajur ved men kitne mantr hai par apne uttar nahi diya

    • raj.hyd says

      mnniy man ji , ham par tohamat kyo lagana chhate hai ? hamne kaha tha ki ham jahan par baihe hai vahan par ved nnahi hai isliye hamsahi sankhya batlane me asmarth hai fir bhi ap janna chahte hai to karib do hajar mantra yajurved me hai ! hm karib n likh karke ahi sankhya apko dna chahte the 1 isliye uska spasht uttar nahi diya tha ! ved hargij asman se nahi utri kyoki isvar keval asman me nahi rahata ? vaha to apke parampujy kathit khuda ji shayad rahate hai ! ishvar to kan -kan me vyapt hai jisko ved milaa uske sharir v atma bhi ishvar vyapt tha 1 hamare v apke sharir mrr bhi vyapt hai andar bahar bhi hai 1 fir ved asman se kaise a payenge ? un tapasviyon ne samadhi avastha me ishvar ka dhayn laga kar us gyan ko atmsat kiya fir usko apne shishyo ko sunaya v kanthasth karvaya yah aisi hi parampara lagatar kai karod arab sal tak chalti rahi ! fir kitab ki shakl me prkashit hui ! aur kuch puchna chahte hai to vah bhi puchiye aap sabhi ka sadaiv svagat rahega ! ham ap logon ki tarah nahi hai ki kisi bat ka thik se javab n de ya hamko kuch taklif ho !

      • Truth Seeker says

        @Shabber
        Why should I believe in a book like Kuran which proves Allah knowledge is not eternal because he got the idea of universe creation just 5 billion years before.

  12. jannat says

    e buniyad sawalat hai aap ke..
    agar mai is tarah ka prashn karunga to aap 100 janmo me uska uttar nahi de sakte hai..
    misal k taor pe…
    ye duniya kyu banaai gai..
    agar ishvar chahta to bina mehanat ke hamko khana khil sakta tha fir itani mehanat kyu?
    koi amir aor koi gareeb kyu bana?
    insaan hi ko sarv shreshtth kyu banaya gya?
    insaan kyu pap karta hai..?
    bina sambhog kiye bachcha kyu nahi padaho sakta? kya ishvar bina sambhog ke bachcha nahi de sakta?
    pani kyu taral hai?
    hamko jine k liye sans yani hawa ki jarurat kyu hai ? ishvar chahta to binahawa k bhi hamko jivit rakh sakta tha? kya uske pas ye power nahi hai?
    kyu ishvar ne insaano me kuchh gadaho ki tarah parshn karne wala banaya?
    kyu khana muh se khane ko kaha?
    kya ved k bina is sansaar ka kalyan nahi ho sakta hai?
    shree raam aor krishn ko kis liye bhejagya?
    kya bharat hi ishvar ka bhumi hai ? aordesh me hindu kyu nahi hai?
    agar sawal aisa hi karna pare to aap kya ap k pardada bhi in sab ka jawab dete dete parlok sidhar jainge magar sare sawal ka jawab nahi de sakte ..
    waise aap ko ek baat bata du aap ne jitane sawal kiye ha bina sir pair k kiye hai..
    kisi ne ek baat kahi thi wo mai aap ko bata du..
    kisi baag me kisi suwar (pig) ko chhor diya jai to wo jante ho kya talash karega? he he he usko fal aor phool se koi matlab nahi wo to sirf guh ko talash karega …
    plzz aap aisa na bane fal aor phool ko bhi dekhe..
    ab mi aap se ye kahunga ki aap ko aap ka dham mubarak ho aor mujhe mera dharam mubarak ho.. samay aane par allah (ishvar) hamare bich faisla kar dega ki kaon sahi raste pe hai aor kaongalat raste par hai..
    akhir kya baat hai ki puri duniya me isla fail gya hai aor hindu kuchh desh me? akhir islam me koi to wisheshta hogi ki aaj duniya me sab se tez islam hi fail raha hai.. is baat pe gaor kariyega aor islam ke fal aor phool ki taraf dhiyan dijiyega …
    jahilo se baat karna hi bewakufi hoti hai … aage ap khud samjhdaar hai .. byebye…

  13. shravak says

    Gandhi’s Observation About Religious Zeal

    Gandhi, in his autobiography ‘The Story Of My Experiments With Truth’, writes, “… many things combined to inculcate in me a tolerance for all faiths. … Only Christianity was at the time an exception. I developed a sort of dislike for it. And for a reason. In those days, Christian missionaries used to stand in a corner near the high school and hold forth, pouring abuse on Hindus and their gods. I could not stomach this. I must have stood there to hear them once only; but that was enough to dissuade me from repeating the experiment. About the same time, I heard of a well-known Hindu having been converted to Christianity. It was the talk of the town, that when he was baptized he had to eat beef and drink liquor; that he also had to change his clothes, and that henceforth he began to go about in European costume including a hat. These things got on my nerves. Surely, thought I, a religion that compelled one to eat beef, drink liquor and change one’s own clothes did not deserve that name. I also heard that the new convert had readily begun abusing the religion of his ancestors, their customs and their country. All these things created in me a dislike for Christianity.”

  14. says

    Dear Brothers and Sister in faith

    May God’s blessing be on you.

    I have just got to know about this site through a facebook sponsored ad and as guessed found the exact. The whole agenda of this site is to popularize the dead Hinduism.

    Before replying to any questions raised by the site owner, let me ask him some questions which if proven through his authentic holy book i.e. Vedas then we’ll go into one-to-one debate:

    1. Vedas tells us to pray the ominipresent, unseen God, but why do Hindus (majority) do idol worship which absolutely against the teachings of Vedas?
    2. How come you guys manage to know the body, form and color of your Messengers (which you consider as God or Bhagwan)?
    3. How come an Elephant is worshipped like Ganesha by most advanced creation of God i.e. Man?
    4. When your Vedas says that God is Omnipresent and Omnipotent, can you please prove the same set of qualities in Idols who are neither omnipresent nor omnipotent?
    5. Your Vedas clearly orders womans to draw veils on their private parts yet 95% of your community has gone astray in exposing their body and adopted Western lifestyle?
    6. You keep shouting on killing living being for Abrahimic religions and being in the age of Google and Internet, you have still not learnt that Plants are also living beings? I advise you to please eat nothing except the dead ones!
    7. Why is the system of class prevalent in Hindus which was set to only showcase the difference in role but today it has become a status quo and has been creating difference among many Hindu families, they can’t marry, they can’t sit together? Where is your God’s equality dear???
    8. Last but not least, Can you please tell us why inspite of all the goodness that you proclaim, hinduism fails to attract the logic mind or do you want to convey that it is only you have been gifted with logic, reasoning and understanding by God? Huh

    Do not just make fun of other religion if you fail to perceive it true identity else we too can start a full-fledge campaign with much…

    • MOHAMMED = SATAN. says

      May blessings be on you too…
      Well, the rulebook says that when you view a website containing articles by someone: You should know who is the owner. Let me tell you that Agniveer isn’t against Islam. I can refute your all claims but I don’t like to. I would only ask you a simple question —

      If Islam is religion of peace why 89% terrorists are Muslims ???

      2 years back – Osama had given a speech stating that Islam means death of Non Muslims. Taliban head said 3 years ago that Taliban always aimed at killing million innocents. Mujahideen had sent a letter to media 5 minutes before Ahmadabad blast in which he called Indians as enemies of Allah. Why they are the biggest terror provokers? Because they are taught to kill all Non Muslims. They know Quran better and hence they cannot be doubted. It is logical to conclude that Islam spreads terrorism only. Hence, I blame its prophet Mohammed for that & call him Satan.

      You people seem to have excellent unity – why can’t you make the world terrorism free ? A better place to live in. If you promise to make the world free from Islam terrorism, I will convince Agniveer to remove anti Islam material. Surely, they will do it. Proof: http://agniveer.com/2623/islam-peace/

      P.S. I am Indian atheist who believes =-= Parents give us birth to support humanity NOT terrorism.

    • Amandeep Singh says

      @ The Global Voice of Muslim:-
      whatever you say to protect your religion, the fact remains the same i.e, Why all the terrorists are muslims? Is that what your Allah has taught you? Is that what is written in your holy book or Is it what is taught by Muhammed to you? Do you even know that in your religions the castes and classes mean so much that they are allowed to worship together. What does this indicate??? Nobody is making fun of your religion. But its the fact.
      Yes idols of God are an imaginary form of God just to worship him in a formed state rather than formless state.
      Women are the most respected in all religions except Islam. Women have got no freedom what so ever. What you are talking about religion man?? What makes you claim that muhammed was a messenger from God? how was he different from any other being? was he having any service tag on him from God stating him as his messenger???
      whatever you say, you can not change anyone’s mind.
      If you believe that Allah is everything, then why do you go to kaaba and pray??? what is meant by that? Dont tell me Allah resides in Kaaba…
      first look at yourself before pointing fingering at anyone else. you have given an opportunity to be born as human being, just live your life.
      Dont talk rubbish and ask useless questions. hope it clears all your doubts..

      Peace…

      • Amandeep Singh says

        @ The Global Voice of Muslim:-
        whatever you say to protect your religion, the fact remains the same i.e, Why all the terrorists are muslims? Is that what your Allah has taught you? Is that what is written in your holy book or Is it what is taught by Muhammed to you? Do you even know that in your religion the castes and classes mean so much that they are not allowed to worship together. What does this indicate??? Nobody is making fun of your religion. But its the fact.
        Yes idols of God are an imaginary form of God just to worship him in a formed state rather than formless state.
        Women are the most respected in all religions except Islam. Women have got no freedom what so ever. What you are talking about religion man?? What makes you claim that muhammed was a messenger from God? how was he different from any other being? was he having any service tag on him from God stating him as his messenger???
        whatever you say, you can not change anyone’s mind.
        If you believe that Allah is everything, then why do you go to kaaba and pray??? what is meant by that? Dont tell me Allah resides in Kaaba…
        first look at yourself before pointing fingers at anyone else. you have been given an opportunity to be born as human being, just live your life.
        Dont talk rubbish and ask useless questions. hope it clears all your doubts..

        Peace…

    • Raju says

      Q 1 – Vedas tells us to pray the ominipresent, unseen God, but why do Hindus (majority) do idol worship which absolutely against the teachings of Vedas?
      A1 – Vedas say god is formless. It also says that God is present in each and every item in this world. Worshipping through Idol is a stepping stone to increase the capacity of imagine the formless omnipresent god through a form. Remember Vedas said god is formless but never said god is not in the form.

      Q2 – How come you guys manage to know the body, form and color of your Messengers (which you consider as God or Bhagwan)?
      A2 – The Body, form and colour of each character in Puranaas, Itihaasas etc are symbolic representations to understand the scientific truths in an easiest way.
      For Example:- Explanation for Mahavishnu: The blue colour of Vishnu denotes the colour of the sky and ocean which means the infinity/ limitless. The serpent on which Vishnu is lying denotes the coiled structure of a galaxy. The name of the serpent anantha means limitless (infinity) the ksheera saagaram ( ocean of milk) on which Vishnu is pictured shows milky way galaxy. Anantha sayana represent the silent universe/ galaxies. Symbolically Mahalakshmi ( meaning of this word is prosperity) has been attributed the position of the wife of Mahavishnu showing that any system can smoothly exist only with prosperity.

      Q3 – How come an Elephant is worshipped like Ganesha by most advanced creation of God i.e. Man?
      A3 – Lord Ganesha is also a symbolic representation.In puranas one can read the stories of Ganesha having the shape of the cross section of human brain, worshipped as the Lord who removes/ protects from the hurdles in the life. Hurdles can be as huge as elephants and it can come from anywhere just like a rat (mooshika vaahana) comes.

      Q4 – When your Vedas says that God is Omnipresent and Omnipotent, can you please prove the same set of qualities in Idols who are neither omnipresent nor omnipotent?
      A4 – See the answer 1

      Q 5 – Your Vedas clearly orders womans to draw veils on their private parts yet 95% of your community has gone astray in exposing their body and adopted Western lifestyle?
      A5 – Which parts are considered as private parts as per you?

      Q6 – You keep shouting on killing living being for Abrahimic religions and being in the age of Google and Internet, you have still not learnt that Plants are also living beings? I advise you to please eat nothing except the dead ones!
      A6 – Vedas clearly says that Plants are living beings. Every living being in this world has a food cycle for its survival. If you clearly examine the internal organs and systems of human body you will understand what the food type suitable for Human beings. Killing for satisfying the tounge and killing for survival is entirely different. Please have a rethink on it.

    • Raju says

      Q7 – Why is the system of class prevalent in Hindus which was set to only showcase the difference in role but today it has become a status quo and has been creating difference among many Hindu families, they can’t marry, they can’t sit together? Where is your God’s equality dear???
      A6 – Yes it is still there in this society and that is why Agniveer and many Hindu non caste based organizations take this seriously and work for unity and remove such difference from the society.
      Dear friend in almost all the 68 Muslim countries no other religion is allowed, still the Muslim terrorists kill Muslims in these countries in the name of religion . You fight each other in the name of shia, sunni, ahamadeeya, mujaahideen, and so on, even though you have only one Allah, One Quran, One Mecca, One prophet……. Before raising such a question you should think about all these things.

      Q8 – Last but not least, Can you please tell us why inspite of all the goodness that you proclaim, hinduism fails to attract the logic mind or do you want to convey that it is only you have been gifted with logic, reasoning and understanding by God? Huh
      A8 – If you go to the west you can see the more logic minds who accept Hinduism (not spread through any hooks and crooks and by god fearing approach).Sanathana Dharma is widely accepted in the world now a days. If you go to USA in 186 universities Bagavath Gita is a part of the syllabus. In Harvard University – Bagavath Geetha is the part of MBA Syllabus. In Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) – Sanskrit is one of the compulsory subject. In Toronto University – Department of Hinduism is the biggest department. In Manitoba University – Sanathana Dharma is teaching in different batches.In America 17 Million people is practicing yoga daily – a news from Indian Express in 2007.22% Americans moved to Vegetarian Diet. Ayurveda is widely accepted.I just mention America as an example because America is a very developed country in Scientific Field.
      See also the quote of the most famous & capable scientist in the world.
      “When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.” – Albert Einstein

  15. gaurav says

    The main problem is that when the tv programme or live session of mr naik or any person is telecasted the audience is full of people who have simply no idea of anything and they start asking foolish questions to the speaker which can be easily butchered by anyone who even read a manual of do’s and dont’s because 95% of people have never understood anything in original text and they just recite it like parrots during prayers or yagya.
    islam as a religion is a religion of propoganda and exploiting weakness of human beings of lowest degree by alluring them towards materialistic gains and we all know 90/100 people love to have material happiness as opposed to spiritual bliss.islam has been very successful in propogating arrogance , guarantees after life,etc. and they have spent lot of resources in propogating their religion in original text because that can be used as a shield if someone tries to counter koran or hadis by saying that you should first learn arabic to comment correctly.
    it would not be wrong to say that islam as such is not a religion perse but a political movement which is striving hard to counter western powers by outnumbering them financed by arab countries which will secure their kingdoms as people will keep worshipping the holy land of mecca madina forever.
    i think muslims of subcontinent and africa will be biggest loser in this political conspiracy.
    and regarding what mr naik etc. have said about hindu religion ,will be a debate forever because few things have to happen before hindus will stop lamenting.
    1.hindu’s combined wealth can easily buy out half of muslim world but hindus should learn from zakat and try to donate some money for holy cause before blabbering from mouth alone.
    2.hindus should manage their institutions run by world class teachers and not by acharya ji or dubey ji of next street who have done nothing in life but adoring a chutiya on head so first do something constructive before just citing scriptures and giving lip service alone.
    3.caste system has to go away by hook…

  16. Numan says

    Hi agniveer, I am a Muslim, I came across this article while searching something, I think you have not learned about Islam properly.. I will show you the error you made in your very first point.

    you said God is being impartial and unjust by sending those children to paradise “because they never did anything wrong in their lives.” but the fact is they were never created for test, they were created as test for their parents if they remain patient and grateful to Allah, Allah will reward them, also, it’s there in a hadith of Prophet(SAW) that those children will be interceder for their parents(who are patient & grateful to Allah). You’ve pre supposed that only those who do nothing wrong will enter heaven which is no where stated in Islam, so. your premise is wrong. the fact is that there are many beings who are made only for serving we humans such as these children who’ll intercede for parents, servants in heaven, houris in heaven, animals and plants therein are all creatures of heaven, it had been injustice and partiality if God would have rewarded them, but this is not a reward for them, this is their only abode.

    • Angira says

      @Numan, there is not error in article but in your interpretation,you mean to say that the offspring of someone is being produced for test of their parents by allah? Did not allah give the soul to offspring as he gave to their parents or allah does discrimination among souls? to send someone to paradise without enough noble actions according to law of Karma means to send first grade student to 12th grade without learning all knowledge of various fields in between 1th to 12th grade. But yet allah of Quran does same fallacy according to concepts given in quran, that was critical remark given in first point. —————————————————————————————————————————————————You even said that God gave these creations like trees, animals,heaven,earth etc. to serve us humans only. Then god should have produced machine like devices which gives food if some amount of coins are entered. That would not require taking of much lives as well. That would have been perfect facility according to your criteria as humans would not have required to put much efforts & no one on earth would have remained hungry at night! ———————————————————The fact is that in sight of God every soul or living is equal humans, animals,microorganism etc. Human is nothing extra special in sight of God that god especially created everything for him alone.Every living has equal right on natural resources.

    • krishnarao says

      Prophet vs Rishi

      So I’ve seen a major misunderstanding of the concept of Rishi by both Hindus and non-Hindus alike.

      Rishi: Is someone who has used techniques (meditation/Yoga) to connect with God and reach enlightenment. This is someone who had a first hand experience of God and they have reached a higher state of consciousness. Anyone can do this: men and women, old or young, any race, from anywhere on this Earth, and to all of mankind from any time which includes past, present, and future. The point is this is repeatable.

      Prophet: is someone who is a specific person of a specific time period that makes the claim they have had a divine experience. This experience is not repeatable and only specific to that person of that particular time period. The point is it is not repeatable at all.

      So we can clearly see, that in both cases it says there is a divine experience, but the key difference is, one is repeatable and can be verified (scientific method) while the other is non-repeatable (faith based).

      In the olden days there were many Rishis in India. No one blindly believed the experience of a Rishi. if he or she claimed they have achieve some divine experience they must show proof. highest and great proof of all is to repeat the experience personally so we can experience the divine for ourselves. And if the Rishi was a real and true Rishi, he or she would show the techniques and methods they used to experience the divine for themselves. With the collaboration of many Rishis notes were exchanged on how they came to their divine experience and came up with the pure methods of Yoga/meditation. This method is the same method talked about in the Vedas, Bhagavad Gita, Upanishads, some Buddhist text, and even Sikh scriptures. The point from all of these texts is the highest form of proof isn’t even some exact keeping of some text from many years ago, but using the techniques the Rishis used to connect with God so we can as the common person become Rishis and experience the divine for ourselves from the primary source, God, instead of a secondary source, books.

      As a man of science, I clearly support the Rishi experience because it is verifiable. That my friends is the highest form of proof all. To experience God for ourselves instead of relying on some prophet who will not let you experience God for yourself as he did. Because by the nature of the prophet concept, it is not repeatable. Only that prophet, historical character, can experience that and no one else can. Making you dependent on the institution that preserved the material about him. As a person you can not and should not be independent at all. Institutions should be there to help everyone become independent and finally interdependent. The Rishi experience allows you to prove for yourself and become totally independent to interdependent. And even if you don’t experience an higher state of consciousness at least you can take peace in your heart that there is a technique (Yoga/meditation) that can be used and be verified by more than one person that the path is true and real.

      And in today’s modern technology, they can now scan people’s brains when they do meditation and they found from the best schools that they brain waves of the people who meditate is different and smooth and clear than those who don’t. The evidence is also there from external monitoring devices. Just go to Harvard peer-reviewed articles and other prestigious schools science articles.

      I hope this helps.

  17. Vinay Mangal says

    Hi Agniveer!

    I recently been drawn to your excellent website.
    To continue the argument in context of the article in discussion here, below are the points
    - Jeev is the vehicle, which through Karma, leads an Aatma to merge with its ultimate goal i.e. Parmatma. Getting merged with Partmatma is desirable because it is the ultimate source of happiness, for which we strive and live for and take Janma in various life forms.
    - To let an Aatma merge in Parmatma, it should be clear of Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh and Ahankar
    - To get rid of these five impurities, an Aatma has to go through various stages of learning. With each learning he sheds some percentage of these impurities. This is the reason we take so many Janmas.
    - Aatma travel in groups in various lifetimes and are guided by Pitras.
    - Each Aatma learns and in return make others learn and shed impurities.
    - Few Aatma, through Karma Yoga, do it in lesser number of Janmas, while many take 8.4 million lifetimes.
    - The children who die in womb or are abnormal or are acoustic, are the way they are, to learn and give lessons to the self and other Aatmas.
    - People are born in various economical, intellectual and physical conditions to pave the way for learning depending on the learning stage their Aatma is on.
    - Heaven and Hell are mere ports to change aatmas in various lifeforms and reiterate the learnings of Good or Bad. These are and cannot be ultimate aim of an Aatma.

    Regards!

  18. says

    A few associated concepts:

    we get intelligence and knowledge as given by god. If a man is bad, it is because god gave him that much thinking ability and such circumstances. If same thinking and environment is given to two people both will behave equally. So, good and bad are intentional creations of god, by way of giving different levels of mind to different people (character is a matter of intelligence).
    so, do not hate anybody, even if he is too bad in your opinion. because, god made him like that. a man himself does not decide his IQ at birth. You can act anger on wrong doers or take an emotionless appropriate counter action.
    Sri Krishna tells in bhagavadgita, “Achieving moksha or not is not in your hand. Every thing happens only at my will”.

    A lion kills deers naturally(God only created this violence, otherwise he would create meat from trees for lions). God created bad people also naturally. So, why to hate someone based on his religion or character or caste or abilities, for which is not his mistake?

    Even Karma/Action and the results are as decided by god and so an Atma(soul) is not responsible for anything. Atma(soul)it self is executed by God to be what it is.

    Though a man is not responsible for his actions, he bears the results of the actions, the same way he does the actions.

    The reason for such creation is not clearly known currently.

    References:
    http://theknowledgeone.com/documents/Culture.htm
    http://theknowledgeone.com/documents/Bramha.htm

  19. Arya Veer says

    plz can anybody explain this what does heaven mean here इयं विसृष्टिर्यत ।आबभूव यदि वा दधॆ यदि वा न ।
    यॊ ।आस्याध्यक्ष: परमॆ व्यॊमन्त्सॊ आंग वॆद यदि वा न वॆद ॥७॥

    Whence all creation had its origin,
    he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
    he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
    he knows – or maybe even he does not know.

    • says

      Fuzail ahhmad , Your answers are laughable.

      You asked why didnot vedic God create nature and souls?he was not powerful.???

      If Allah created everything by himself where from bad property and ignorance came?

      Allah had those properties???

  20. Iniyavel Sugumar says

    True monotheism can be established only in the Vedic religion. Now, in the case of the three Abrahamic religions, there are two ultimate destinations: Heaven and Hell. Believers go to Heaven forever, and non-believers go to Hell forever. Now, they say they have only one God, but there are two ultimate destinations. Some even say there is God and an opposite entity called Satan. Now this makes them all two-destination religions. True monotheism is ONE GOD AND ONE ULTIMATE DESTINATION. But if there are two ultimate destinations, then the concept of monotheism takes a massive hit. This proves all of the three religions as polytheistic, irrespective of the one God they worship.
    In my opinion, even if the Vedas are mocked by the non-believers, the Saivite Agamas and the 14 Saathirams of Saiva Siddhantha are there for verification and reinforcement (Of course, I am a fundamentalist Saivite myself). Moreover, none can trace the beginnings of this great religion. The law of Nature is that, anything that has a start will eventually have an end, no matter what. Nothing with an initiation goes without termination. No one can mock the Eternal Dharma laid down by the Almighty.

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