Manu Smriti and Women

Great Artcile on woman right in Vedic religion. But if a woman being raped then what should husband do from Vedic aspect?. Should husband leave his wife because she has been raped. If yes, why? What the fault of woman? What should be treatment according to Vedic aspect?

Agniveer, Great Job bhai!

Agniveer Ji
If say mother,daughter or sister is indulged in bad habits or are having sex with some other person say Muslims etc then what punishment does Vedas have for such women.
Say if sister is indulged in sexual activity with muslims and later on she want to repent what is punishment and if she still continue then what is punishment.Can you please quote from some vedas or Manu smiriti.I will be obliged.
Dhaynawad
Shankar

Thanks to vagavan and agniveer team. I was waiting to get our religion as such form. I believe if vagavan want all the serious misconception of our religion will be washed out. I personally tried to translate agniveer writing in bengali and also tried to translate the mantras you quote in bengali for our bengali brothers and sisters.

Thanks a lot Agniveer Ji.May GOD bless you.

Namaste Agniveer Ji
Do vedas believe that women get impure when they menustrate? Is there any special treatement mentioned for women in vedas while they are in menses?
Dhanyavaad

The status of the woman that prevailed during the age of the Rig Veda was indeed a pathetic one. In the thinking of those times, she was one who could never be trusted and was the one who had the heart of a jackass. Urvashi, who was an Apsaras (goddess) , tells her lover Pururavas thus: “O Pururavas! Die not, flee not; may not the frenzied wolves tear thee apart. Verily, there must never be the companionship of women. For their hearts are as the heart of the Hyena. There can never be the company of women. Go back to home.” ( Rigvedia Shathapath brahmanam 11:5, 1:10 as quoted by D.D. Kosambi, Myth and Reality , p. 105)
This has been mentioned in the Rig Veda compilation as well.
” Pururavo Yamrathama prapaptha
Matha Vrakaso ashivasa ukshan
Navayasthrina ni sakya nisanthi
Salavya Kanam hrathyanenyatha ” (Rig Veda 10:95:15)
As for the Upanishads, they entertain a wholly negative vision with regard to woman. Woman is the cause of all misery in the world the woman, the embodiment of all sins, is the fuel of Hell fire. Look at some of the verses in the Yagnavalkopanishad:
” Jawalana athi duryepi sarasa api neerasa sthreey hi
narakagneena minthanam charudarunam ” (Shlokam 16)
” The woman, who burns from afar, and who apparently seems to be pleasing but is in reality displeasing, although beautiful, terrible as the fuel of Hell fire “.
” Kamanamna Kirathena vikeerna mugadachethas Naryo naravikam ganamanga bandanavagura “(Shlokam 17)
“Women are the nets thrown in by Kirathan, the god of sex, to trap men who are, as it were, the birds”
” Sarvesham dosharathnanam susemudgikayanaya
Dhuka shyamkalaya nithyamalamasthu ma masthriya “(slogam 19)
May God save thee from woman, who is a mine of all sins and is the very chain of all misery The Bhagavad Gita, too, has considered women to be a lowly state.
” Mamhi partha vyapashrithya yepisyu papayonay
Sthreeyo vaishyasthathe shudrasthe piyanthi bram gathim “(Bhagavad Gita 9:30)
” O Arjuna! Even those born in sin like the women, Vaishyas, and Shudras can attain to salvation if they seek refuge in me ” Even the advice of Manusmrithi which taught that the woman was to be worshipped, was that she was never to be allowed any freedom whatsoever.
” Pitharakshathi Kawmare bhartharakshathi yawane Rakshanthi sthavise puthra nah sthree swathanthrya marhathi “(Manusmrithi 9:3)
“Woman who is protected in her adolescence by the father, in her youth by her husband, and in her old-age by her son, deserves no freedom at any time”.
It has been claimed on the authority of this verse that Manusmrithi teaches that the woman is to be protected under all circumstances. Any doubt, however, may be dispelled by the shlokam that immediately precedes this verse.
” Aswathanthraha sthreeyaha karyaha purushyr swirthi Vanisham Vishyeshda cha sajjanthya samsthapya athmam vashe ”
“Woman must not, by night or by day, be granted any freedom whatsoever, by her husband and other relatives. Even if they be immoral, she must still remain within their power”
The laws of Manusmrithi are such that woman is depicted merely as an instrument of man’s sexual gratification. This will become clear to any who reads the laws described in the fifth chapter and the ninth chapter.
What then is the point in saying that Manu had said that woman is to be worshipped? We have already seen that this was mentioned in the third chapter, 56th verse, of Manusmrith.
To understand what has been intended here, it would be sufficient to carefully read from the 55th to the 62nd stanzas. The summary of these statements are as follows: “Fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law who wish for great good fortune should revere these women and adorn them. The deities delight in places where women are revered, but where women are not revered all rites are fruitless. Where the women of the family are miserable, the family is soon destroyed, but it always thrives where the women are not miserable. Homes that are cursed by women of the family who have not been treated with due reverence are completely destroyed, as if struck down by witchcraft. Therefore men who wish to prosper should always revere those women with ornaments, clothes, and food at celebrations and festivals. There is unwavering good fortune in a family where the husband is always satisfied by the wife, and the wife by the husband. If the wife is not radiant she does not stimulate man; and because the man is unstipulated the making of children does not happen. If the woman is radiant, the whole family is radiant, but if she is not radiant the whole family is not radiant. Through bad marriages, the neglect of rites, failure to study the Veda, the transgressing against priests, families cease to be families.”
It becomes clear from these statements as to how woman is to be worshipped. Woman is to be worshipped by providing her with clothes, ornaments and food. Why are these to be given? Woman must be healthy; and beautiful so that her man’s passion is aroused. Woman is to make her body beautiful by adorning it with clothes and ornaments; that the man may be attracted by her. Woman is to be so worshipped that she be made a fitting decoration for the man’s bedroom. This is the law of Manu. Manu has nothing to say of the rights of woman.
The laws of Manusmrithi consider woman to be an individual forever bound by the chains of family relationships, with no rights of her own. The verses of the fifth chapter starting from 147 to 169 are all about the woman. Even if she were to become a widow in her youth, she is not to marry again. Even if her husband indulges in adultery, she is still to consider him on equal footing with God. However, the woman who commits in adultery was to be thrown to the dogs in public. Woman is not entitled to any share in the wealth of the family. The wages for her labor will be half that of the man. So goes the laws of Manusmrithi concerning woman.
The Devadasi system was a cruel and perverted institution which prevailed inIndia. There is evidence to show that the Devadasi system began in the Saptasindhu (India) right from the time of the Atharva Veda. The Devadasis
Were shudra women who had been consecrated to the temple as the maid servants of the gods. The function of the Devadasis was to fulfill the sexual needs of the upper castes who were the representatives of the gods on earth. This, in effect, clearly meant that they were the prostitutes of the temples.
It may be understood from a single reading of the Mahabarath the Ramayan that the Devadasis were an essential part of ancient Indian society. Dasharat had, in the army that he had prepared for Shri Ram, included women who made a living out of trading their physical charms. While proceeding to the Battle of Kurukshetra, chariots carrying Devadasis accompanied the legions of the Pandavas and the Kauravas.Devadasis were in the forefront to receive Shri Ram when he returned from his exile in the jungle. It was again the Devadasi community which had come to receive King Kaushika when he returned to the capital city after enduring severe trials. The Mahabharath relates that it was fifty young girls, at the very sight of whom one’s blood would boil with excitement, who welcomed Shuka who had come to visit the wise seer, Janakadika. It was again a Devadasi
whom the King Anuga employed to get what he wanted by using her to entice Rishyaganga who had never set his eyes upon a woman in his life time.
The tradition of carrying away and then marrying women also existed in ancientIndia. These marriages are named Raakshasam. It is the decree of Manusmrithi that the Raakshasam marriage is a matter of right for the Kshatriya (3:23,24). It can be seen from the Puranas that there were many who married in this fashion. Look at the very first marriage of Shri Krishna himself. It was Rukmani, the daughter of Bhishmak, the King of Vidarbha, who was the first wife of Shri Krishna. It was during the preparations for her marriage to the cousin of Shri Krishna that Shri Krishna carried her off and married her on the day before the wedding.
Sati was yet another cruel tradition which prevailed inIndia. The law of
Sati was that the wives were to immolate themselves in the funeral pyre of their dead husbands. The woman who performed Sati was then honored as the Satidevi.
The British government never sought to control Sati. They never liked to displease the Hindu priests. The British would thus maintain that the practice of the widows immolating themselves at the funeral pyre of their husbands was one that was based on Hindu beliefs and that it was made quite clear within the accepted canons of law and that, as such, to abolish it would be an act of intervention into the preserves of the Hindu religion itself. The man who brought forth a powerful opposition against their practice was Raja Ram Mohan Roy. It was after all his efforts to prevent the wife of his brother from immolating herself at the funeral prayer of her husband had failed and as he was thus forced to witness with his own eyes the horrible scene of her burning away to her end that he turned into a crusader against Sati. It was, however, only after a prolonged and sustained campaign of opposition against Sati that, in 1929, Sati was declared illegal during the reign of Lord William Benedict.
Concerted efforts are, however, being made today to revive Sati and such other malpractices. It has not been too long since we read of Roopkanwar from Devata village of Rajasthan who was thrown into the flames of the funeral pyre of her husband.
Another law that prevailed in ancientIndiawas that the widows who did not perform Sati were to shave their heads and live in complete isolation within the society. Even those small children, who were all of six or seven years, who became widows after their child marriage, were to shave their heads and remain as widows for the rest of their lives. These widows who would then forced to live like beggars were to have but one meal a day. On the days of the new moon they were to confine themselves day and night and were never to partake of even a drop of water. Indeed, it is greatly possible that the Satidevis, so highly praised as the women who chose Sati of their own accord, were, in reality, women who chose ghastly end in the flames of self immolation as a better option than a life that would be so turned into a prolonged torture.
On one side we see that even while the encroachment upon women’s rights prevailed in ancientIndia, the worship of women, too, existed alongside. It is also claimed, making reference to the worship of goddesses that women are given a very high position in the great vision of Hinduism which teaches that women are to be worshipped. This claim is, however, without substance. There is no evidence to show that the position of woman has in any way evolved from the Vedic stand that the woman had the heart of a Hyena. To imagine that women enjoyed a privileged position simply because they were worshipped as goddesses would be but an exercise in stupidity.
Sati is, after all, the most cruel and extreme form of the encroachment upon the rights of woman. This is made clear by the fact that the woman who undergoes Sati would thenceforth be known as Satidevi.
The origins of goddess worship are to be found in the blind and perverted notions of sexuality. The names Subagor,Bagaradya,Bagamalini and the like have been used to describe goddesses.Bagath have the meaning vagina. The meaning of the aforementioned descriptions is respectively ‘She who has good vagina’, ‘She who is worshipped in the ………..’, and ‘She who bears the ……….’. Amongst the more shorter and concise names, Pragathba means ‘she who has attained to maturity, she who impassions her husband and she who is skilled in the act of sexual intercourse’.Vidagda means ‘she who is the least ashamed of the sexual act and who is adept at the different variations thereof’ (V.V. Shrijan:Ya devi sarvaboodeshu,p.19)
Where, indeed, is the Qur’anic vision which declared that the woman possessed an independent existence of her own and that she, too, had her own legal rights as well and which saw her as the light of the house and as the mother of society? And where stands the vision of the Manusmrithi which states that the woman is to be worshipped that she may be made a decoration of the bed chamber of her man? In reality, both these views exhibit such a wide range of disparity as to never call forth even the most remote comparison.
Permanent illness of the wife. There are ailments that prevent sexual relations as well as pregnancy. What are the husbands of women with such disorders to do? There may also be those who struggle to even perform the household chores due to such unending health disorders. In all these cases the remedy often resorted to is adultery, divorce or polygamy. In divorcing a woman afflicted with a permanent disorder, she is actually being forced into the street here; too, the only humane solution to the problem is polygamy. Certain religious texts prescribe divorce in all the aforementioned circumstances. Look at the commandment of the Manusmrithi:
” Vandhyashda methi Vedyabde
Deshamethu mruthapraja
Ekadashi Sthree janani
Sathyasthapriya vadinee ”
(Manu Smrithi 9:81)
“A baran life may be superseded in the eighth year; one whose children have died, in the tenth; one who bears (only) daughters, in the eleventh; but one who says unpleasant things (may be superseded) immediately”
Many religions actually recommend a life of perpetual sorrow for the widows. Look at the judgment of the Manu Smrithi:
” Aa Suthr maranalkshantha niyatha brahmacharini
Yodharmeka patninam kamkshanthi Thamanuthamam ”
(Manu Smrithi 5:158)
“She should be long- suffering until death, self- restrained, and chased, striving (to fulfill) the unsurpassed duty of women who have one husband.”
It is from such legal prescriptions that, in due course of time, the system of
Sati that asks for the wife to die at the pyre of her husband originated.
The Hindu scriptures, which saw woman as the private property of man, and formulate laws in accordance thereof, does not even make a mention of making her a beneficiary in the wealth of inheritance. A reading of the Hindu books makes us to understand that the wife is the private property of the husband, which he can always give away in charity or for the use of another. Sudarshan who makes avail able his wife for the entertainment of the guest(Mahabharath: commandments) and Mithrasah who hands over his wife to Vasishta (Peace)both are indicative of this. There is nothing in the Hindu scriptures imply that the daughters are entitled to the wealth of their father. Indeed, the Manusmrithi has laid down the law that it is the sons who are entitled to the wealth of inheritance.
” Oordan pishushcha mathrucha samethabrathrasamam
Bajeran Pytrakamriktha manishasthi hijeevatha ”
(Manusmrithi 9:104)
“After the father and mother (are dead), the brothers should assemble and divide the paternal estate equally, for they have no power over the two of them while they are alive”.
Hindu religion texts have ruled that the woman is wholly ineligible to stand as witness. For instance,
” Sthree bala vrathe Kidava mathonmathi bishasthaka:
Rangavathari Pallandi Kudakridwileadiya
Pathilka patharthe sambandi Sahayari puthaskara
Sahasi Drushta dohashcha Nirduthatyosthe sukshina ”
(Yagnavalkasmrithi 2:70,71)
“Woman, child, the aged, the gambler, the intoxicated, the in sane, the one who has sinned by way of Brahmahatya Charana Singer, actor etc.), Pakandi (atheist), the one who makes false documents, the handicapped, the friend, the one who lends money, the helper,the enemy, the thief, the bandit, the one with an apparent negative impression, the one who has been cast aside by his relatives – all these are not eligible to stand as witnesses.”
Why women are deemed non-eligible to bear testimony? The explanation of the
Manusmrithi is as follows:
“ Ekolubdasthu Sakshheesyal Bahrushu
Chorina sthriya sthree budhera sthirathatu
Doshysh chanyopiye vratha ”
(Manusmrithi 8:77)
“ One single man who is not greedy may be a witness, but not several women, even if they are unpolluted, because a woman’s understanding is unreliable, nor even other men who are rife with bad qualities ”
What must the Hindu woman, who has lost her husband, do?
Observe the ruling of the Manu Smrithi:
” Kamanthuksha paye dehan pushpa moola Falai Shubai
Nathu namapi grahanee yaath pathyow preda parasyathu
Aaseetha maranaal Kshantha niyatha brahmacharinee
Yo Dharma Aekapathni namkamk shanthi thamanuthamam. ”
(Manusmrithi 5:157,158)
“After the death of the husband (she) is to while away time by wasting her body on a diet of pure tuber, fruits, flowers etc. She is not to utter the name of another man with the intention of lust. After the death of the husband, the woman is to remain steadfast, patient and pure; as one ever conscious of the Brahma;as one abstaining from the consumption of wine and flesh and as one who is ever desirous of the dharma of the righteous woman bereft of her husband ”.
The cruelty to which this law makes subject the women who have become widows owing to the death of their husbands in the prime of their youth need not be further mentioned here. That she is refused the right to remarry will ultimately lead her to a life of immorality. Thus the consequences of this law will have to be borne by both the individual and society. Indeed, such laws stand as an obstacle in the creation of a sound society and, for that reason, and that reason alone, will remain impracticable forever.
Is the ruling of the Manu Smrithi.The situation that prevailed inIndiawas, however, even more appalling? The woman was instructed to immolate herself at the funeral pyre of her husband. This was the cruel tradition of
Sati. Those women who refused to comply with the demands of this tradition were to shave their heads and to live in isolation within the society. The law stipulated that even the six and seven years olds were forced to shave their heads and to live like after the death of their husbands imposed upon them through child marriage. The only facility that was allowed them was one meal each day!.

where is my Hindu friends to response the critisism

OK my Sanskrit scholar
just open the rig veda give me the exact meaning of this verses
” Pururavo Yamrathama prapaptha
Matha Vrakaso ashivasa ukshan
Navayasthrina ni sakya nisanthi
Salavya Kanam hrathyanenyatha ” (Rig Veda 10:95:15)
” Jawalana athi duryepi sarasa api neerasa sthreey hi
narakagneena minthanam charudarunam ” (Shlokam 16)
Kamanamna Kirathena vikeerna mugadachethas Naryo naravikam ganamanga bandanavagura “(Shlokam 17)
” Sarvesham dosharathnanam susemudgikayanaya
Dhuka shyamkalaya nithyamalamasthu ma masthriya “(slogam 19)

@ shabeer
your verse has been adequately translated by Truth seeker!!
thanks to truth seeker!
meanwhile!! since you seem to be willing a debate … hope you may answer some questions i just posed…
http://agniveer.com/forum/Forum-Islam
, simple questions on basic islam!!

1@dvise to truth seeker
you provde the translation,is it your openion about the verses,that is not valid
please provide authorised explanation text name,page number,that will more trustfull than it.
2@advise
after clear these too..
1. ” Pitharakshathi Kawmare bhartharakshathi yawane Rakshanthi sthavise puthra nah sthree swathanthrya marhathi “(Manusmrithi 9:3)
2. ” Aswathanthraha sthreeyaha karyaha purushyr swirthi Vanisham Vishyeshda cha sajjanthya samsthapya athmam vashe ”
3. To understand what has been intended here, it would be sufficient to carefully read from the 55th to the 62nd stanzas. The summary of these statements are as follows: “Fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law who wish for great good fortune should revere these women and adorn them. The deities delight in places where women are revered, but where women are not revered all rites are fruitless. Where the women of the family are miserable, the family is soon destroyed, but it always thrives where the women are not miserable. Homes that are cursed by women of the family who have not been treated with due reverence are completely destroyed, as if struck down by witchcraft. Therefore men who wish to prosper should always revere those women with ornaments, clothes, and food at celebrations and festivals. There is unwavering good fortune in a family where the husband is always satisfied by the wife, and the wife by the husband. If the wife is not radiant she does not stimulate man; and because the man is unstipulated the making of children does not happen. If the woman is radiant, the whole family is radiant, but if she is not radiant the whole family is not radiant. Through bad marriages, the neglect of rites, failure to study the Veda, the transgressing against priests, families cease to be families.”
The verses of the fifth chapter starting from 147 to 169 are all about the woman. Even if she were to become a widow in her youth, she is not to marry again. Even if her husband indulges in adultery, she is still to consider him on equal footing with God. However, the woman who commits in adultery was to be thrown to the dogs in public. Woman is not entitled to any share in the wealth of the family. The wages for her labor will be half that of the man. So goes the laws of Manusmrithi concerning woman.
The tradition of carrying away and then marrying women also existed in ancientIndia. These marriages are named Raakshasam. It is the decree of Manusmrithi that the Raakshasam marriage is a matter of right for the Kshatriya (3:23,24).
1. ” Vandhyashda methi Vedyabde
Deshamethu mruthapraja
Ekadashi Sthree janani
Sathyasthapriya vadinee ”
(Manu Smrithi 9:81)
1. ” Aa Suthr maranalkshantha niyatha brahmacharini
Yodharmeka patninam kamkshanthi Thamanuthamam ”
(Manu Smrithi 5:158)
1. ” Oordan pishushcha mathrucha samethabrathrasamam
Bajeran Pytrakamriktha manishasthi hijeevatha ”
(Manusmrithi 9:104)
1. ” Sthree bala vrathe Kidava mathonmathi bishasthaka:
Rangavathari Pallandi Kudakridwileadiya
Pathilka patharthe sambandi Sahayari puthaskara
Sahasi Drushta dohashcha Nirduthatyosthe sukshina ”
(Yagnavalkasmrithi 2:70,71)
1. “ Ekolubdasthu Sakshheesyal Bahrushu
Chorina sthriya sthree budhera sthirathatu
Doshysh chanyopiye vratha ”
(Manusmrithi 8:77)
1. ” Kamanthuksha paye dehan pushpa moola Falai Shubai
Nathu namapi grahanee yaath pathyow preda parasyathu
Aaseetha maranaal Kshantha niyatha brahmacharinee
Yo Dharma Aekapathni namkamk shanthi thamanuthamam. ”
(Manusmrithi 5:157,158)

I EXPECTING ENGLISH TRANSLATION AND MANUSMRITHI VERSES TOO……………..

@vajra
just serch google you can got quran(translation) in every language.
my statement was iam a muslim,i have too much knowlwdge in sanscrit,so pls kindly give me a eglish translation(authorized).

Black Laws against the Women – Casteism and Degration of Women in Hinduism
1. Every woman must be loyal, faithful. obedient honorable to her husband even if he is blind, deaf, dumb, old, physically handicapped, debauchel or, gambler and neglects his wife and lives with his concubine(s). If the husband is unhappy, it would be the fault of his wife. If he cries, she should cry. If he laughs she should laugh. She can only answer humbly to his question. She should not on her own put any question. She should eat only after her husband eats. If he is beating she should not react, but fall on his feet and beg him to pardon her, and kiss his hands and pacify him. If the husband dies she should burn herself to death on his funeral pyre and go along with him to the other world and serve him there in this manner. (Padma Purana)
2. Women are fickle minded. Never believe them. Friendship with a women is just like friendship with a wolf. (Rig-Veda 8-33-7)
3. A virtuous woman is one who dies on the funeral pyre of her dead husband and avails the privilege of serving her husband in the other world. (Atharva Veda 18-3-1)
4. Woman is the source of sorrow. At birth she makes her mother weep. At the time of the puberty she makes her parents weep. At the time of the marriage she makes all her family members and relatives weep. In youth she commits lot of blunders and brings bad name to the entire family, relatives and Varna. She tortures the hearts of her parents, husband and other family members. She is called ‘DARIKA’ because she is source of sorrow to all.
(Aithareya Brahmana)
5. Women are liers, corrupt, greedy, and unvirtuous. (Manu II 1)
6. Even for a woman, the performance of the sanskaras are necessary and they should be performed. But they should be performed without uttering the Veda Mantras.” (Manu II. 60)
7. It is the nature of women to seduce men in this (world); the wise are never unguarded in the company of males. (Manu II. 213)
8. For women are able to lead astray in (this) world not…

Dr. Pravin, I am just curious if you are a physician by profession. If so, I’d be very worried about your patients’ well being. Do you administer pills w/o double checking the illness and the medicines? Rig Veda 8/33/7 exposes your home work and the copy / paste mentality. RV/8/33/7 as NOTHING to do with women. Why don’t you post the verse from your source and prove it otherwise? And have you read the complete funeral hymn of AV/18/3? The verbiage of the verse you have quoted is completely wrong. Prove it otherwise, please….

The untouchables did not have the right to read and hear the Vedas and I being an earstwhile untouchable feared severe punishment for doing so. So if you have a big heart then you may excuse this earstwhile untouchable for doing a copy and paste job. However I confess that I have read Manusmriti and hence pray to you not to punish me for this crime.
Personal hegemonious attacks on me do not hide the truth that Manusmriti is derogatory to women.
• Women are liers, corrupt, greedy, and unvirtuous. (Manu II 1)
• A Brahmin male by virtue of his birth becomes the first husband of all women in the universe. (Manu III. 14)
• By a girl, by a young woman, or even by an aged one, nothing must be done independently, even in her own house.” (Manu IV. 147)
• In childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, when her lord is dead to her sons; a woman must never be independent. (Manu IV. 148)
• A girl must be under the care of her father . . . in youth under the care of the husband and in old age under the care of her sons. But she should never be free and independent. (Manu V. 148)
• Him to whom her father may give her, or her brother with the father’s permission, she shall obey as long as he lives and when he is dead, must not insult his memory. (Manu V. 151)
• Though destitute or virtuous, or seeking pleasure elsewhere, or devoid of good qualities, yet a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a faithful wife. (Manu V. 154)
• At her pleasure let her (i.e. widow) enunciate her body, by living voluntarily on pure flowers, roots and fruits, but let her not when her lord is deceased, even pronounce the name of another man. (Manu V. 157)
• A woman must always maintain her virtue and surrender her body to her husband only, ever if she is married off to an ugly person or even a leper. (Manu IX. 14)
• Through their passion for men, through their mutable temper, through their natural heartlessness, they become disloyal towards their husbands, however, carefully they may be…

• Through their passion for men, through their mutable temper, through their natural heartlessness, they become disloyal towards their husbands, however, carefully they may be guarded in this (world). (Manu IX. 15)
• Killing of a woman, a Shudra or an atheist is not sinful. Woman is an embodiment of the worst desires, hatred, deceit, jealousy and bad character. Women should never be given freedom. (Manu IX. 17 and V. 47, 147)
• Women have no right to study the Vedas. That is why their Sanskars are performed without Veda Mantras. women have no knowledge of religion because they have no right to know the Vedas. The uttering of Veda Mantras, they are as unclean as untruth is.” (Manu IX. 18)
• A wife, a son and a slave, they three are declared to have no property: the wealth which they earn is (acquired)for him to whom they belong. (Manu IX. 416)
• None of the acts of women can be taken as good and reasonable. (Manu X.4)
• Day and night women must be kept in dependence by males (of their families), and, if they attach themselves to sexual enjoyments, they must be kept under one’s control. (Manu XI2)
• Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband protects (her) in youth, and her sons protect (her) in old age; a woman is never fit for independence.” (Manu XI. 3)

@Pravin
Please go through this whole set of articles http://agniveer.com/category/objectives/caste-system/

BHARATH IS A GREAT LAND, WE HAVE SO MANY VEDAS & GRATHS TO LIVE HAPPIEST LIFE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY………………………..

Agniveer,
I am willing to give you credit for trying to correctly translate Manusmriti to English and in the process, debunking the allegations that Manusmriti denigrates women. You show us what the correct interpretation of Manusmriti is. Through your translation, you try to show us that women are not lto be ooked down upon, instead, Manusmriti suggest to revere women. However, even your translations show that Manusmriti is blatantly sexist and does not suggest equal rights for men and women. I will discuss my views point by point.
//9.28. Woman is the source of all kinds of happiness in all generations – be it from children, or from noble benevolent deeds or through conjugal bliss or through service of elders.//
Women are always valued in relationship with other people (men). The can be a mother to their children, wife to a husband, and a helper to the elderly. Does Manu talk about the worth of a woman’s self? As a scholar, or as warrior? Why do we have to judge women by their relationships and not by their self?
//9.4. A father who does not marry his daughter to a deserving groom deserves condemnation. A husband who does not fulfill just demands of her wife deserves condemnation. A son who does not take care of her widow mother deserves condemnation.//
Why do you or Manu think that a marriage is a contract between a woman’s father and the groom? Don’t you think that an adult woman is capable of finding a deserving groom herself? After all she is educated and scholarly! In this shloka itself, a woman is treated like a child where some one make decisions of her life for her. Why can not a woman be trusted to find her own mate? Why does her father (and not her mother, mind you) supposed to find her a good husband? Why can she not be taught to be free and think for herself? A man definitely is allowed to make a decision about his life, his marriage and his children but it is not suggested for a woman.
//9.11. Women should be provided autonomy and leadership in managing the finances,…

In muslim countries women has to have four witnesses to prove that she was raped…please do not bring islam to this page…this religion is not even worth discussing on such great page

yahan sab k sab dharm guru hai kya

In muslim countries women has to have four witnesses to prove that she was raped…please do not bring islam to this page…this religion is not even worth discussing on such great page

yahan sab k sab dharm guru hai kya

cases aren’t reported in arab countries.
Women have to come up with witnesses and in many cases they are sentenced for being raped.
Like we heard some time back in the middle east,a woman was raped and she was proved guilty of having instigated rape by being present in a car with a man who was not her blood relative.
Lets not bring up those desert tribes here.
How many of you believers in quran actually read this article,manu smriti and women?

cases aren’t reported in arab countries.
Women have to come up with witnesses and in many cases they are sentenced for being raped.
Like we heard some time back in the middle east,a woman was raped and she was proved guilty of having instigated rape by being present in a car with a man who was not her blood relative.
Lets not bring up those desert tribes here.
How many of you believers in quran actually read this article,manu smriti and women?

@vajra:lol
i like the the fact that to make an impact you use indigenous indian languages and not english.
Hindustani in this case

Mohsin Khan Ji.. Jis mulk mein 4 shadi aur kitni bhi laundi rakhne ki azadi hai mardon ko, vahan rape karne ki jaroorat kyon padegi kisi ko? Laundi ka matlab hi hai ki vo sex slave/object hai. Sex slave se sex karna uska rape hi hai aur afsos hai ki aap ye samajh hi nahi pate

@vajra:lol
i like the the fact that to make an impact you use indigenous indian languages and not english.
Hindustani in this case

Vajra , aap kya ye nahi maante ki duniya mei jahan bhi sharia lagoo hai wahan zurm kam hote hai. Saudi mei apne kitne rape case sune hain ? Agar sharia poori duniya mei laggo ho jaaye to is duniya se zurm khatam ho jaayega.
Sharia hi ek ilaaz hai jiski vazah se zurm kam ho sakta hai

Aadith, hindustan ki sarjamin par quran jo ki allah ka deen hai, ko failana hi aapka maksad hona chahiye. Islam mei koi bhi kami nahi hai.
Islam mei aurat ko izzat ki nigaah se dekha jata hai. Har mard ko juroori hai ki wo nigaah neechi karke chale, ulte seedhe libaas na pehne. Ye baat hai kya aapki kitaab mei ?

Aymaan Prince.. Jab aap rape ko bhi legitimize kar doge aur mardon ko laundi rakh kar ghar mein rape karne ki ijazat de doge to baahar rape honge kyon? Achchha ilaz hai, rape ko crime hi mat samjho aur fir bolo ki hamare yahan crime nahi hote!

@aymaan:janaab,jab aapne article hi nahi padha jisme saaf bataya hai ki ved me kya likha hai aur ved dharma ka kya sandesh hai aurato ke prati to kya hum aapke naukar baithe hai aapke saare doubt clear karne.
Internet kam pad raha hai kya?
Click kariye aur site pe jaiye kai reference hai ved ke jisme vedic woman ko izzat dene aur acchi nazar se dekhne ki baate hai.
Mujhe doosra kaam nahi hai kya?
Mai yaha ved dharm ke baare me aur dharmic logo se baatcheet karne aata hu.
Aap bina kuch padhe kuch samjhe assume mat kijiye.
Aapko ved ka v bhi nahi aata hai to pahle poora ved nahi uske kuch mantra sahih padhuye.
Aajate hai bada mu lekar.
Bina padhe respond kiya to mai jawab nahi doonga. Article me kisi mantra ka meaning samajhna hai ya mantra ke meaning me doubt hai to poochiye uska jawab dene ke liye bahut se lpg yaha sada taiyaar hai.
Aum

Aymaan Prince.. Jab aap rape ko bhi legitimize kar doge aur mardon ko laundi rakh kar ghar mein rape karne ki ijazat de doge to baahar rape honge kyon? Achchha ilaz hai, rape ko crime hi mat samjho aur fir bolo ki hamare yahan crime nahi hote!

@aymaan:janaab,jab aapne article hi nahi padha jisme saaf bataya hai ki ved me kya likha hai aur ved dharma ka kya sandesh hai aurato ke prati to kya hum aapke naukar baithe hai aapke saare doubt clear karne.
Internet kam pad raha hai kya?
Click kariye aur site pe jaiye kai reference hai ved ke jisme vedic woman ko izzat dene aur acchi nazar se dekhne ki baate hai.
Mujhe doosra kaam nahi hai kya?
Mai yaha ved dharm ke baare me aur dharmic logo se baatcheet karne aata hu.
Aap bina kuch padhe kuch samjhe assume mat kijiye.
Aapko ved ka v bhi nahi aata hai to pahle poora ved nahi uske kuch mantra sahih padhuye.
Aajate hai bada mu lekar.
Bina padhe respond kiya to mai jawab nahi doonga. Article me kisi mantra ka meaning samajhna hai ya mantra ke meaning me doubt hai to poochiye uska jawab dene ke liye bahut se lpg yaha sada taiyaar hai.
Aum

Aymaan Prince.. Jab aap rape ko bhi legitimize kar doge aur mardon ko laundi rakh kar ghar mein rape karne ki ijazat de doge to baahar rape honge kyon? Achchha ilaz hai, rape ko crime hi mat samjho aur fir bolo ki hamare yahan crime nahi hote!

@aymaan:janaab,jab aapne article hi nahi padha jisme saaf bataya hai ki ved me kya likha hai aur ved dharma ka kya sandesh hai aurato ke prati to kya hum aapke naukar baithe hai aapke saare doubt clear karne.
Internet kam pad raha hai kya?
Click kariye aur site pe jaiye kai reference hai ved ke jisme vedic woman ko izzat dene aur acchi nazar se dekhne ki baate hai.
Mujhe doosra kaam nahi hai kya?
Mai yaha ved dharm ke baare me aur dharmic logo se baatcheet karne aata hu.
Aap bina kuch padhe kuch samjhe assume mat kijiye.
Aapko ved ka v bhi nahi aata hai to pahle poora ved nahi uske kuch mantra sahih padhuye.
Aajate hai bada mu lekar.
Bina padhe respond kiya to mai jawab nahi doonga. Article me kisi mantra ka meaning samajhna hai ya mantra ke meaning me doubt hai to poochiye uska jawab dene ke liye bahut se lpg yaha sada taiyaar hai.
Aum

Well said Aadith

I have utmost respect for Manu. There are many interpolated verses, but with our discerning ability, we can find out what they are.
Chapter 9
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3. Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband protects (her) in youth, and her sons protect (her) in old age.
6. Considering that the highest duty of all castes, even weak husbands (must) strive to guard their wives.
4. Reprehensible is the father who gives not (his daughter in marriage) at the proper time; reprehensible is the husband who approaches not (his wife in due season), and reprehensible is the son who does not protect his mother after her husband has died.
5. Women must particularly be guarded against evil inclinations, however trifling (they may appear); for, if they are not guarded, they will bring sorrow on two families.
11. Let the (husband) employ his (wife) in the collection and expenditure of his wealth, in keeping (everything) clean, in (the fulfilment of) religious duties, in the preparation of his food, and in looking after the household utensils.
12. Women, confined in the house under trustworthy and obedient servants, are not (well) guarded; but those who of their own accord keep guard over themselves, are well guarded.
From the below verse, it is evident that women should shun these qualities.
13. Drinking (spirituous liquor), associating with wicked people, separation from the husband, rambling abroad, sleeping (at unseasonable hours), and dwelling in other men’s houses, are the six causes of the ruin of women.
If husband is noble, then women become noble
eg: 24. These and other females of low birth have attained eminence in this world by the respective good qualities of their husbands.
Women must be respected and worshiped as per the following shalok
26. Between wives (striyah) who (are destined) to bear children, who secure many blessings, who are worthy of worship and irradiate (their) dwellings, and between the goddesses of fortune (sriyah, who reside) in the houses (of men), there is no…

Manu also states that women also have the right to choose their grooms.
9.90. Three years let a damsel wait, though she be marriageable; but after that time let her choose for herself a bridegroom (of) equal rank.
9.91. If, being not given in marriage, she herself seeks a husband, she incurs no guilt, nor (does) he whom she weds.

thanks a lot to agniveer who told us about true manusamriti. till know we had to feel ashamed when anyone makes teh joke of hinduism on the basis of manusamriti. i req. to agniveer pls. provide the verses in sanskrit also of manusamriti whom u have translated in ur article.

आदरणीय विद्वानों कृपया इस श्लोक का असली अर्थ बताने का कशट करें इस श्लोक की वजह से हमारे धरम और मानुसामृीति का काफ़ी मज़ाक उड़ाया जा रहा है.
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well done………it is very helpfull. all the best

to whoever is the admin here, i please request you to moderate comments here. You have done an exceptional job by writing these translations.
But just look at all the comments. I dont care if a muslim comes over or a hindu and asks a doubt
Its very good to ask doubts but dont go about rambling nonsense on each others religion.
Both quran and veds are good but herethe author is talking of manu smriti so please stick to the topic and try to be social beings.
Apart from that, dear agniveer can you put forward a few of the slokas which have been misinterpreted by our so called translators like griffith and muller? And which meant different thing than what these guys translated to.
Even one or 2 samples would be good enough.
thanks for your time

thanks as i have recived great help from this for my assignment

A pathetic attempt to justify the injustice. Period.
How about reading a few other gems of Manusmriti? Maybe you wouldn’t mind checking a post here: http://indianhomemaker.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/some-gems-from-manusmriti/

Sir,
could you please tell me that what has been the role of women as described in the mitakshara??

Dear Sir,
It will be nice if, some body or religious institution publish a hand book based on our Atharvaved a role of SON, DAUGHTER, WIFE, MOTHER AND, A WOMWN for; now d days women are looking for independence from primary responsibility as a daughter, sister, friend/wife, women and, mother for a paycheck.
If all the eligible people get to know the real role of husband and wife they, perhaps can make a better decision, find a true soul mate and lead a happier life mutually benefiting eac other.
Could you please send me either such information or, link leading to such. I will greatly thank you for help.
Shantu Patel

This is such a good work by agniveer. Please read this too who have doubts regarding caste system in Sanaatana Dharma/Hinduism-http://memanya.blogspot.in/2012/09/what-actually-our-caste-system-was-and.html
& also-http://memanya.blogspot.in/2012/05/please-leave-my-gods-alone-request-from.html
hope you people like it….