Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Bhavishya Puran (Part 2)

December 25, 2009

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अस्वीकरण पढ़ें

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘इस्लाम’ वा ‘मुसलमान’ वा पैग़म्बर आदि मज़हबी शब्दों का प्रयोग हुआ है, उसका अर्थ केवल और केवल इस्लाम वा मुसलमान वा पैग़म्बर आदि शब्दों की वह व्याख्या है जो कट्टर इस्लाम के मशहूर और लोकप्रिय प्रचारक जैसे - ज़ाकिर नाईक़, अंजम चौधरी, हाफ़िज़ सईद, मौलाना इसरार अहमद, मौलाना मसूद अज़हर और उनके समर्थक करते हैं जिसके अनुसार हर ग़ैर-मुसलमान जहन्नम/नर्क की आग में जलेगा और हर इस्लाम छोड़ने वाले को क़त्ल कर देना चाहिए।

इस पूरी वेबसाईट में जहाँ भी ‘क़ुरान’ शब्द प्रयुक्त हुआ है, उसका अर्थ क़ुरान की पुस्तक के वो अनुवाद और व्याख्याएँ हैं जो कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों द्वारा इंटरनेट और अन्य स्थानों पर प्रचारित-प्रसारित की जाती हैं जिन्हें पढ़कर कमज़ोर दिल के लोग कट्टरता की दिशा में मुड़ रहे हैं। हम जानते हैं कि क़ुरान व उपरिलिखित शब्दों की कुछ व्याख्याएँ ऐसी भी हैं जो हिंसा को आज के दिन ठीक नहीं समझतीं, एवं ग़ैरमज़हबी मानवता पर बल देती है पर ऐसी व्याख्याएँ और व्याख्याता कट्टर इस्लाम के प्रतिनिधियों और उनके अनुयायियों की दृष्टि में मुर्तद (मुसलमान जिसने इस्लाम छोड़ दिया हो) घोषित किए गए हैं। ऐसे व्याख्याता और उनकी व्याख्याएँ इस वेबसाईट के विषय नहीं हैं। चिंता का विषय है कि आज इंटर्नेट आदि माध्यमों में कट्टरवादी व्याख्याओं का बाहुल्य है एवं उदारवादी सहिष्णु व्याख्याएँ दुष्प्राप्य हैं।

हम मानते हैं कि मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर, क़ुरान आदि बहुत प्रेम और आनंद सिखाते होंगे। परंतु इस वेबसाईट में इन शब्दों से केवल वो अर्थ लिए जाएँ जो नवीन लोगों ने अपने हिसाब से अपने मिलावटी ग्रंथ/अनुवाद बना लिए हैं। हम इन मिलावटी ग्रंथों/अनुवादों को ठीक नहीं मानते और हमारी इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर या क़ुरान आदि विषयों की व्याख्या को आज के कट्टरवादी प्रचलित/मिलावटी अनुवादों के संदर्भ में ही लिया जाए। हमारी कोई बात मूल इस्लाम, पैग़म्बर और क़ुरान के लिए नहीं है। उसके लिए तो बस सम्मान है।

किसी भी व्यक्ति, समुदाय, उदारवादी विचारधारा की भावना को ठेस पहुँचाना इस वेबसाईट का उद्देश्य नहीं है। किंतु विषय गम्भीर है, संवेदनशील है। प्रचारित इतिहास पर प्रश्नचिन्ह उठाता है। कुछ स्थानों पर एतिहासिक विषयों को नाटकीय रूप में भी प्रस्तुत किया गया है। अतः यह निवेदन है कि यदि इन विषयों को लेकर आप किंचित भी संवेदनशील है तो इस वेबसाईट को आगे न पढ़ें। यह वेबसाईट केवल परिपक्व मनस हेतु है जो इस अस्वीकरण को ध्यान रखते हुए, हमारी मूल भावना का सम्मान करते हुए, हमारे सृजनात्मक अभिव्यक्ति के अधिकार को अंगीकार कर सकें।

This entry is part [part not set] of 8 in the series Myths on Hinduism

Myths on Hinduism

Sita’s Agnipariksha in Ramayan
Polygamy in Hinduism
FAQ on Hinduism – IITian thrashes Zakir Naik
‘Concept of God in Hinduism’
Introduction to Hinduism (edited with comments)
Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Vedas (Part 3)
Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – Bhavishya Puran (Part 2)
Prophet in Hindu Scriptures – An analysis (Part 1)

Dr Naik provides a very detailed analysis of verses of Bhavishya Puran along with references. The only mistake he made was that he presented a completely opposite picture of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) compared to what Bhavishya Puran actually writes. (Refer http://www.irf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=201&Itemid=131)

http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.com/ provides an excellent analysis of the relevant portions of Bhavishya Puran with scans of original texts and dictionary meanings of the key words.

In summary, the actual meaning of the verses is as follows:

“Shri Suta Goswami said that a demon called Tripurasur who was earlier burnt to ashes by Shiva has taken birth again in form of Mahamada (Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of an evil ghost. The ghost was rebuked by Kalidas as “O rascal, you have created an illusion to bewilder the king, I will kill you, you are the lowest…”

Further, the ghost called Mahamada comes in dream of King Bhoja and says,

“O king, your religion is of course known as the best religion among all. Still I am going to establish a terrible and demoniac religion by the order of the Lord . The symptoms of my followers will be that they first of all will cut their genitals, have no shikha, but having beard, be wicked, make noise loudly and eat everything. They should eat animals without performing any rituals. This is my opinion. They will perform purificatory act with the musala or a pestle as you purify your things with kusha. Therefore, they will be known as musalman, the corrupters of religion. Thus the demoniac religion will be founded by me.”

It is amply clear that contrary to Dr Naik’s claims, Mahamada (Muhammad) is being condemned here as a demon and not as a spiritual person. Far from being a Kalki Avatar, Muhammad is being foretold as a devil harbinger of nuisance!

Having analyzed the verses, let us analyze a few more points regarding Bhavishya Puran:

Bhavishya Puran is not considered an authoritative religious scripture. It is amply clear that the book continued to be written till late 19^th century. Because it also contains stories of Jesus Christ, Akbar, Sawai Jai Singh, Alha Udal, Tulsidas, Surdas, Guru Nanak, Shahjahan, Aurangzeb, Shivaji and even Queen Victoria and her Parliament. Bulk of the material seems to be written during foreign rule. Thus, Bhavishya Puran does not even come in category of evidence, when it comes to Hindu religion. It is at best a frivolous non-serious text.
If one takes Bhavishya Puran seriously, it implies that he believes that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a devil and reincarnation of demon called Tripurasur. This is a great insult to founder of Islam. To best of our knowledge, if one insults the Prophet in guise of a Muslim preacher promoting Islam, Shariah laws recommend death sentence for such a person.
Also, if Dr Naik has so much trust on Bhavishya Puran and considers the book so prophetic, why does he not admit other advices of the book – the fastings on specific days and their benefits, worship of different idols, avoidance of meat, celibacy, shraadh, prohibition of marriage among close relatives, agnihotra, holy places, cow protection etc. And accordingly, he should refuse to believe in those verses of Quran which are against the precepts of Bhavishya Puran.

In the next part of the series, we shall critically examine the claim of Prophet Muhammad in Vedas.

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521 COMMENTS

Prashant December 28, 2009 At 12:17 pm

Good work!

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- Well Wisher February 23, 2011 At 2:37 am
  
  the way Hinduism portrays God as having no power but the power of everything he created doesn’t make sense in general..if there is a God who is all powerful as they say Shiva is at times then they say Vishnu at times then they say Brahma at times then they should never fear what they have created or have to pray to something they created the way Shiva prayed to Ganesha his son that was made from his wife or so the story goes…if there is a God then God surely has control over his hands,feet and mind and surely god is able to defeat anything he created out of pure power and knowledge he possess to be God..the people you refer to sound more like people than Gods…if we are to state that that is the main reason we have animals and man then what really came before all of that?the Vedas are interesting but it seems to answer only one question the religion that was brought down by Adam(pbuh) as Adam(pbuh) was a vegetarian in heaven as he ate no animals except for the trees of heaven hence when he came to earth or descended to earth he only knew of the knowledge that he left with which was to eat plants and the plants he ate were the ones he recognized from heaven…zakir naik is wrong I’ll give you that but so are a lot of you people including the one calling himself kaafir…if you but knew what you were calling yourself even as a believer in a Hindu God shouldn’t call himself what they call a disbeliever in another religion..that in it self doesn’t make sense..would you call yourself satan then because he is the enemy of Allah?the answer is no because of what his character is supposed to be..and if you but read everything on the Abrahamic religions you’d surely realize that only with God/Allah’s revelation were the people of God allowed to eat meat and only through purifying it through halal/kosher means which basically means to say the name of God over it while slaughtering it..which doesn’t sound so evil when you think about it..the caste system was always a divisive factor in Hinduism and a cause of great grief amongst people as you couldn’t move up or be totally free of man but in the Abrahamic religions the only being everything is a slave to is the One God…which can be debated till the end of times but makes more sense than the endless cycle of rebirth in the Hindu and Buddhist canons…what you people need to discuss in essence is not whether we are born right or with the perfect religion but whether the truth has to be learnt and discovered through heart and intelligence and soul…the way a lot of the Muslims and Jews and Christians carry themselves is wrong to be fair for if they have read their scriptures properly a lot of what they do is wrong even the way they are praying according to the holy books is incorrect…all you have to do is read the books of revelation rather than what you are told by someone else…there is a lot of correction to be done by all of humanity but by pointing the blame and shouting and arguing is nothing but a waste of time…no one is better than God…the reason there can’t be many god’s in my opinion is the story i have come across through my life…if you imagine the whole human body as God then if the thumb was a god and the heat was a god and the nail was a god and hair was a god and nose a god and the mouth was god etc what happens when all of those gods decide to go the opposite direction of each other?the only answer is chaos and no control which it futile to call them gods but just sentient beings with power which makes all the talk about gods futile and void…if there is a God and one of us is right about our religion..I’m sure we will all find out each on our own when we pass cus only in death is there truth in life it seems for most is only confusion…the story does have and ending and the question does have an answer..salaam..from a well wisher.
  
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  - KalBhairav February 23, 2011 At 7:52 am
    
    @Harm Wisher:
    
    You display colossal lack of understanding of Dharmic religions. There ARENT many Gods in Hinduism. Adam and Eve, sorry to burst the bubble, never existed. Nobody is anybody’s slave much less Allah’s slave. (Why do you remind me of a user called Anything and Everything who went about using the same words as you are? Predictably after a while he/she vanished and I predict the same will be the case with you.) You just pull out of thin air that being a slave to One God makes more sense than karmic reincarnation. Just because you WISH that to be true, doesnt make it to be true.
    
    In any case, why are Jews and Christians hell-bound for worshipping the same God that you are worshipping?
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 5:06 pm
    
    vanish where brother the reason i say that Hindus believe in many Gods is the way they practice their religion or the way they have altered it from their original source to it’s modern state of idol worship and many gods which to me if they had not changed from their central concept of Indra being the prime God prior to Brahma and Shiva and Vishnu etc would have been the same as Islam in its essence..you are right there was a point in time when Hindus believed in one God but whatever time scale you’re talking about doesn’t exist anymore as there are very few that follow the tradition of one God and the ones who do and don’t pray to many Gods for various afflictions whether they be vegetarian or not i would call Muslims or at least the inoffensive word Hanifa’s or an even less offensive word ones who submit to the one God..so really we don’t disagree if that is what you truly believe but really if you’re speaking for yourself then you’re statement is fine but if you speak for the majority i have to disagree as i was a Hindu and the concept of God that was passed on to me through my family was strained with believe in sages(scholars not prophets) and demi-gods that constantly showed traits of humanity in them if I’m wrong direct me to the correct scriptures brother if you are true in your world as to enlighten people…but if you cant find a source or a people that believe what you are saying then how am i wrong..you say that Adam and Eve didn’t exist then surely there must have been a first man and woman that existed (whether you draw your conclusion through evolution or from God) and who do you think Allah/God say they are???Adam and Eve…the reason i say the Jew’s(99%),the Christians(99%) and even the majority of Muslims(99%) are in plain error is due to the fact that if you read their revealed books and not their theological books(including most of their hadith’s which are in direct contradiction to the Quran’s words) then you will find they have strayed far from their path of enlightenment hence why …the bible,the Torah and the Quran all talk about praying three times a day and not five,they also state in all three books that one must eat halal/kosher food,they also state explicitly that no one can be an intercessor for anyone not even the prophets and the prophets in essence will only become witnesses against humanity for the lies they perpetuated against God and His prophets…vanished???you wish brother…but keep wishing and not accepting for wishing is truly a dangerous game of chance/demon play…and you are a funny misguided fellow i also included the Muslims when i said the people of the scripture are in plain error…WHY would YOU highlight just the Jew’s and Christians as if that’s the only people i have commented on..i have even commented on the religion i am with now…you are truly foolish and cant read…there is a place for the blind…DARKNESS…YOU ARE BLIND to what i have said and to the One True God…i don’t disregard most of what is in the dharma of Hinduism but the way i chose my God is the way everyone should if the Revealed scripture and not the theological scriptures show no signs of contradiction then that is the true religion of the perfect God..and yes you could argue “but the Quran is a contradiction” but all i will say to that is be careful of false translation and additions in brackets from the authors of their interpretations of the verses of Allah…the one who will vanish is you brother when you meet Our Lord God…i talk without knowledge then surely you talk without TRUTH for you have MISQUOTED me and then talked absolute utter prideful boast’s of something you have not understood in my text…be fooled it harms no one but yourself!
    THE TRUTH OP THE MATTER IS YOU WISH TO BELIEVE KARMIC REINCARNATION IS TRUE SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE 10000000 LIVES BEING AN EVIL FOUL MOUTHED FOOL WHO CAN’T READ OR WRITE ANYTHING RESEMBLING THE TRUTH…IN ANY CASE WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND OR NT ALLAH HAS WON..FOR GOD ALWAYS DOES AND ALREADY DID…JUDGEMENT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THERE IS NO POINT IN NO ONE BEING CALLED FOR FOR THEIR CRIMES THAT ONLY GOD CAN KNOW FOR SOME OF US ARE SECRETIVE OF THE EVILS WE DO AND HENCE THE ONLY WITNESS AGAINST THE INNOCENT WILL ALWAYS BE GOD AND NOT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE,YOU ARE MISGUIDED..BUT YOU ARE HAPPY IN YOUR TRUTHS SO DON’T LEARN YOU ARE A GENIUS..I WENT THROUGH A LOT OF RELIGION’S BEFORE I CAME TO ISLAM…AND BROTHER LOOK AROUND HOW ARE WE NOT SLAVES?WE ARE SLAVES TO THE UNIVERSE IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAY FROM THE WAY THAT WE ARE DEPENDENT ON EVERYTHING GOD CREATED FROM THE AIR TO FOOD TO PEOPLE TO LAND TO WALK ON…SO HOW IS THE CONCEPT OF BEING A SLAVE TO THE TRUE NAME OF THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE GOD A HARD CONCEPT FOR YOU TO ACCEPT…IF YOU AREN’T A SLAVE THEN DOES THAT MAKE YOU A GOD OR A GOD-KING?I THINK NOT…THINK BEFORE YOU OPEN YOU MOUTH BROTHER YOU WILL BE CALLED INTO ACCOUNT FOR THE MISCHIEF YOU BRING THROUGH LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONCEPT OF LIFE AND GOD…AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ME BROTHER???OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN’T EVEN READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN SO WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW ABOUT ME AND IF YOU KNOW NOTHING OF ME FROM WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN HOW COULD YOU THEN POSSIBLY KNOW ANYTHING OF WHAT GOD HAS REVEALED TO US???
    AND YOU CALL ME HARM WISHER???THE ONLY ONE HERE WISHING HARM WAS YOU BY CALLING ME NAMES FOR THINGS I DIDNT SAY AND FOR HOPING I’D DISSAPPEAR…TRUST ON THIS I AM HERE TO STAY TILL GOD AND ONLY GOD TAKES…YOUR WORDS ARE AS WEAK AS EVERYTHING I HAVE READ ON THIS INTERNET FULL OF SELFISH THOUGHT AND SELF DESIRE’S…YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT OF ANYTHING EXCEPT OF THAT WHICH YOU “WISH” TO BELIEVE..OH AND ANOTHER REASON I DON’T BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION CUS NO ONE HAS COME BACK FROM THE PAST NOT A SINGLE SOUL HAS COME BACK AND TOLD US ABOUT OUR PAST???COINCIDENCE???I THINK NOT..YOU SEE IF YOU WERE RIGHT THEN SURELY MANKIND COULD NEVER BE LOST AS OUR ANCESTORS WOULD KEEP COMING AND TELL US TO STOP FIGHTING CUS WE ARE FROM THE SAME SEED.GOD’S…ALSO THE CONCEPT OF IDOL WORSHIP MAKES NO SENSE HENCE WHY THE STORY OF ABRAHAM(PBUH) IN THE QURAN IS THERE GO READ WHAT ABRAHAM DID AND SEE IF YOU DID THE SAME WHAT WOULD HAPPEN???NOTHING!!!THE REASON WHY NO ONE’S PRAYERS ARE ANSWERED ANYMORE UNLIKE IN THE PAST IS THAT WE HAVE ALL FORGOTTEN HOW TO PRAY THE WAY WE WERE TAUGHT BY GOD AND WE ONLY FOLLOW CULTURE..CULTURE AND TRADITION IS FAR REMOVED FROM GOD..TRY PRAYING THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURE OF THE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS AND SEE WHO ANSWERS?THERE IS ONLY ONE PATH AND ONE OF THE RELIGIONS IS RIGHT(FOR JUDAISM/CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM IS THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE ADDITION ON THE REVEALED SCRIPTURE BY THE AUTHORS OF THE COPIES OF THE BOOKS BUT ALL THE QUOTES OF THE PROPHETS REMAIN THE SAME INCLUDING THE PSALMS CUS GOD PROTECTED THE REVEALED SCRIPUTRE’S)…BUT ALL I HAVE SEEN IS PEOPLE HAVING ONE LIFE BUT CARRYING THE DUTY OF THOSE THAT CAME BEFORE AS IN THE CASE OF THE PROPHETS WHO CARRY THE ETERNAL RELIGION OF GOD AND THE DEMONS THAT CARRY THE LIFELONG RELIGION OF THE DEVIL!
    YOU DESERVE NO RESPECT FROM ME…WHEN YOU HAVE READ WHAT I HAVE RESPONDED…FEEL FREE TO COMMENT…TEACH ME SOMTEHING I DON’T KNOW ABOUT DHARMA?CUS THOSE CONCEPTS I DISAGREE WITH ARE WHY I AM NO LONGER A HINDU APART FROM THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD RELIGION BUT THERE IS NO POINT FOR GOD’S RELIGION TO BE GOOD AS ALL RELIGION’S THAT TALK ABOUT GOD ARE GOOD BUT GOD’S RELIGION SHOULD BE PERFECT AND THE ONLY WAY IT SHOULD AND CAN NOT BE PERFECT IS THROUGH MISTRANSLATION AND MISINTERPRETATION AND IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT HINDUISM THE WAY I DO ABOUT ISLAM,JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY…SHOW ME…I AM AFTER ALL A STUDENT OF GOD…SO I WILL CONVERSE WITH YOU BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO DISRESPECT MY VIEW/OPINION IN A UNINTELLECTUAL WAY RATHER MY OPEN MINDED HINDU THEN I WILL HAVE HARSH WORDS FOR YOU TOO THAT WON’T BE BASED ON CONJECTURE BUT ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE SAID…YOU DONT KNOW ME BROTHER SO WATCH YOUR MOUTH FOR IF YOU MET ME IN PERSON YOU WOULD’NT TALK THIS WAY TO ME….AND FOR THE RECORD THE ONLY PERSON THAT SEEMS TO WISH THINGS TO BE TRUE IS YOU…FOR WHAT DO I GAIN IF EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE IN GOD THAT I AM A BAD PERSON FOR GOD JUDGES WITH THE TRUTH…FOR SURELY I WILL GO TO HELL WITH YOU EVEN IF I BELEIVE IN ALLAH IF I AM A LIAR AGIANST HIM!!!
    IN ALLAH/GOD I TRUST!!!
    FEAR NO ONE BUT GOD/ALLAH!!!!
    COOL YOURSELF BROTHER…YOU DON’T HAVE A CLUE…AND A WORD OF ADVICE QUIT PREDICTING THINGS IF YOU ARE SO GOOD AT IT THEN PREDICT A BETTER LIFE FOR YOURSELF AND FOR EVERYONE!!!
    SALAAM BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO READ WITH UNDERSTANDING!!!
    A WELL WISHER!!!
  - KalBhairav February 23, 2011 At 5:22 pm
    
    @Harm Wisher:
    
    Holy crap! That was a lot of gibberish vomit there.Ever heard of a full stop? ALSO TYPING IN CAPS MAKES IT EFFING DIFFICULT TO READ! Comments sections are for comments. Not essays.
    
    Let’s break this down one by one.
    
    (1)Do Muslims worship the same God as do Jews/Christians? (Yes/No/I dont know)
    (2)If your answer to (1) is yes, do Jews/Christians go to hell? (Yes/No/I dont know)
    (3)Are biologists committing blasphemy by saying Adam and Eve never existed? (Yes/No/I dont know).
    (4)Are physicists committing blasphemy by saying Allah did NOT create the world in 6 days? (Yes/No/I dont know)
    
    I have so many more questions but I think this should suffice for the first installment. Provide your answers. Make is short and TO THE POINT. For your easy answering, I have also made my post in multiple-choice format.
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 5:48 pm
    
    BECAUSE YOU HAVE ASKED FOR THE ANSWERS IN SIMPLE FORM I’LL DO IT..BUT SINCE YOU ARE STILL QUITE DISRESPTECFUL I’LL KEEP IT IN CAPITALS…
    1)YES
    2)ONLY IF THEY DON’T FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURE ACCORDINGLY IS THE ONLY ANSWER I CAN GIVE FOR THE JEWS HAVE 2/8 OF THE SCRIPTURE,THE CHRISTIANS HAVE 4/8 OF THE SCRIPTURE AND THE OTHER 4/8 IS WITH THE MUSLIMS.
    3)YES,FOR THEY DO NOT KNOW OR CAN CLAIM TO KNOW WHETHER THE FIRST MAN OR WOMAN WAS A NEANDERTHAL OR HUMAN THEY CAN ONLY CLAIM THROUGH THE FLAWED SCIENCE THAT IS EVOLUTION..READ UP ON EVOLUTION HOW MUCH OF IT STICKS?IF YOU BELIEVE GOD CLAIMS THINGS THAT ARE LIES THAT’S UP TO YOU..I’M NOT HERE FOR YOUR AMUSEMENT.ANYHOW HOW DOES HINDUISM CLAIM ANY SUCH RELATION TO EVOLUTION?FOR AS FAR AS I CAN TELL IT ALSO CLAIMS WE CAME AS HUMANS TO EARTH NOT NEANDERTHALS.
    4)YES,CUS THE SIX DAYS YOU ARE REFERRING TO HAS ALWAYS BEEN STATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY ALL MONOTHEISTIC RELIGION AS A CONCEPT OF TIME ACCORDING TO GOD NOT MAN!!!!
    ASK QUESTIONS…IF I CAN ANSWER THEM I WILL..IF I CAN’T WAIT YOU’LL GET YOUR ANSWER WHEN YOU MEET OUR GOD!
    WELL-WISHER.
    P.S. STOP DICTATING TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING HOW TO TALK..I ONLY COMMENTED ON THE WAY YOU TALK CUS IT IS DISRESPECTFUL AND ARROGANT!
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 5:49 pm
    
    P.S I MEANT 1/8 OF THE SCRIPTURE IS WITH THE JEWS.
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 6:00 pm
    
    P.S.
    THE REASON WHY THE JEW’S ARE CONSIDERED WRONG IS THAT IN THEIR HOLY SCRIPTURE THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM THEY HAD THE NAMES OF JESUS AND MUHAMMED (PBUT) WRITTEN IN THEM BUT THEY DECIDED TO USE THE LITERAL TRANSLATIONS OF THEIR NAMES IN TRANSLATIONS I.E. INSTEAD OF CALLING MUHAMMED (PBUH) BY NAME THEY CALLED HIM “COMFORTER” OR “TRUSTWORTHY” ETC WHICH IN ARABIC MEANS MUHAMMED/AHMED(SHORTENED FORM OF MUHAMMED) AND THUS CLAIMED WHEN THEY ARRIVED FOR THEM THAT THEY KNEW THEM NOT AND THE CORE BELIEF IN ALLAH/JAHOVAH IS THAT YOU BELIEVE IN ALL THE PROPHETS THAT GOD SENDS FOR HE MAKES NO MISTAKE ONLY CORRECTIONS WHEN HUMANS HAVE REACHED A LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING
  - KalBhairav February 23, 2011 At 9:09 pm
    
    Now, you are making very specific claims. 2/8 is not with the Jews, but only 1/8 is with the Jews. You then go on to say that an additional 3/8 is with the Christians. The remaining 4/8 (how convenient) is with the Muslims.
    
    Two more questions (I will get to your other answers subsequently, but you made this claim way before you answered my other questions)
    
    (6)What is this scripture you are referring to?
    
    (7)How do you know that Muslims possess the remaining 4/8 thereby (conveniently) summing up to 1? (1/8 Jews + 3/8 Christians + 4/8 Muslims)
    
    I want some proof of this, because you have made VERY SPECIFIC CLAIMS.
    
    Why dont Jews have 1/9 or 1/7 of the scripture? Why dont Muslims posses 4/9 or 4/10?
    
    Prove this and then we will proceed on all the other points that you have made.
    
    Also note, quoting the Quran/Hadiths to prove the veracity of Quran/Hadiths is not correct. It is circular and will get a truth seeker nowhere.
    
    So, since you have made very specific claims, the burden of proof is on you AND you cannot quote the Quran/Hadiths to help you “prove” this claim.
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:27 am
    
    first off mr kal the reason why i say the things
    i say isn’t out of reverence for islam but for the
    truth in what is revealed by GOD.
    
    you have to remember i have already stated that i was a hindu from birth
    and i practised hinuism till i was 19yrs old then i converted to islam after searching for the true God when i was 26..hence why i feel the truth needs defending for i have not seen anyone do it right yet and i am dissapointed of the narrow mindedness of the so called beleiver of all religions who seem to be caught up in the culture and traditions of their country..:-(.
    
    the reason i say that the jew have 2/8(i really should correct myself
    and say 2/8 instead of 1/8)(i have no shame in correcting myself when wrong)
    is due to the fact that only the first two books of the
    torah contain the most revealed of truth
    that is related to God and god alone,with
    the christians i would say the gospel of jesus
    (which are the essentially the quotes of jesus,
    that i consider to be the gospel and not what say
    mark or paul etc thought about what he said
    and the psalms because they came way after
    abraham and moses and are almost synonomos
    with christianity as i never hear of the jews sing or talk
    about the psalms so for that reason i credit the psalms
    even though they came before jseus but after moses
    with the christians as they utilise it the most in worship,
    i then said islam has 4/8 due to the fact that it is a
    compilation of all those books plus a few more added i.e
    the last chapter the story of the last prophet and also with
    it comes the amendments of the eariler books at the hands of the preists
    this is how i deduced using my own head to say what i said..so in the
    case of islam just incase you ask it has the 3/8 of amendments for both
    judaism and christianity plus the message of the last prophet which i will
    consider as 1/8..hence the 4/8 for islam.
    in essence i should correct one thing in that it really should be
    2/8 jews,2/8 christians,and 4/8 muslims(as the corrections
    for the previous books i.e. the jesus story and the last chapter of the prophets story etc is added to the holy scriptures.
    
    plus when i say scriptures i specifacilly mean from the torah:
    the commandments,and genesis,from the bible:the psalms and
    the gospel of jesus,and from the muslims the whole of the Quran
    as it is a correction and an addition to those books…
    and when i mean correction i don’t mean to outlaw those books words or
    meanings but to amend any false claims the previous preists have said about Allah or any of the prophets while rewriting parts of those books to suit their gain and needs for control etc…
    
    everything else that religious people of these faiths call scripture were
    not written by the prophets as revealed to them by God nor were they
    as far as i have read from the word of God but in fact from scholars
    and sages therefore i consider them theological philosophical/intellectual books rather than revelaevd scripture of God through a prophet as it
    should and can only be done as they are chosen from each community
    throughout the monotheistic religions..the reason i dont consider
    say the buddhist canons or the hindu canons in this is because they are
    so far removed from those religions that they themsleves don’t cliam any prophethood in their scriputres only Godhead..which in turn makes them
    stand alone although there are strong arguments for their cause they fall down cus in their central belief system they believe in re-birth which for me as a believer cancels them out of any truth as i have explained previously why i believe rebirth can’t be from God but can only be man’s idea..
    
    at the end of the day you dont have to believe me and i don’t have to believe
    you…this is just a religious debate about the truth of God and i hope you see it that way instead saying aggressive things for which i can take you out on cus it’s too easy to be negative brother so let’s chill out and respect that i have a different opinion to you that i discovered on my own that has nothing to do with any of these religions people’s belief but has everything to do with the God of those religions and what is revealed..if you find what i say untrue then thats fine it doesn’t bother me but if you find what i say has truth then that’s whole other conversation that’s starting right there.
    ALSO i should add when i talk about Islam i don’t consider the hadith’s at all
    as they are not from the prophets but from sages of islam and scholars etc
    so they are not in what i call the scripture of the One God ALLAH.
    peace.
    
    p.s. i am now going to talk to that warrior who decided to join the debate and thought it’s not enough i have to defend my opinion against two people who aren’t thinking but now i have to deal with a third party…God has already won while we talk.
    
    WELL WISHER
  - Sameer February 24, 2011 At 1:52 pm
    
    @Well Wisher Brother I can prove that ISHAWAR is greater than allah using comparative religion and christians people own exposure regarding Allah/Jehovah/Yahweh as your own Mohammad has said that Allah, Jehovah and Yahweh are same.
    
    According to comparative religion and according to many Christian’s own account ALLAH IS A SMALL VEDIC GOD IN VEDAS. ALLAH/YAHWEH/JEHOVAH/JOVE/ZEUS is none other than INDRA.
    
    Prophet Mohammad told his Allah is same as YAHWEH/JEHOVAH which in turn are Roman God Jove, which Jewish pronounce as Yahweh and Christians as Jehovah, So Allah/Jehovah/Yahweh is none other Roman God Jove/Jupiter, who in Greek is called as Zeus and in India is called as Indra. Allah is called merciful and compassionate like Roman God Jove. Yahweh/Jehovah threatened people with flood and thunder like Jove/Indra. Flood Myth of Abrahmic religion are taken from Roman God Jove where people are wiped for their sins and new breed of new generations of people were created See the below link for further confirmation
    
    Abrahmic Gods are worshiping different plantary gods like Moon, Venus and Sun because anybody who knows comparative religion knows that only those religion which worship planets have Sabbath like Friday, Saturday and SUN-DAY on the contrary SUPREME GOD ISHWARA has no Sabbath all 7 days are his sabbath.
    
    ANOTHER PROOF even Muslims cannot deny is Rainbow is called qawsalla in arabic, which means “BOW OF ALLAH” and in hindi it is called INDRADHANUSH (BOW OF INDRA)
    
    So ALLAH IS NON OTHER THAN INDRA A SMALL VEDIC GOD. ISHWARA IS MUCH BIGGER THAN INDRA
    
    http://jesus-messiah.com/html/jove.html
    
    http://seatofgod.com/jupiterbiblicalastrologicalaspects/id21.html
  - KalBhairav February 24, 2011 At 2:50 pm
    
    the reason i say that the jew have 2/8…
    These are all your own opinions. Oh…why didnt you say so at the beginning itself? You further state:
    so in the case of islam just incase you ask it has the 3/8 of amendments for both judaism and christianity plus the message of the last prophet which i will consider as 1/8..hence the 4/8 for islam.
    Hmm..again, this is your consideration. You see, your opinion is just that – your opinion. Sorry to state this, but I give a rat’s behind to your opinion. For instance, I opine that Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all together have 0% of the truth. The reason is I believe the whole business of messiah/son of God/Prophet/Final Prophet/modification of previous holy books, etc. are completely flawed. There can be ONE FINAL CAUSE of everything in the world and that is Brahman. There is no need of regular prophets from time to time which the latest prophet being more correct than the previous prophet.
    
    I notice that you have still not given a full/direct answer to my question (2) and question (7). I will repeat them below:
    
    (2)…do Jews/Christians go to hell? (Yes/No/I dont know)
    (7)How do you know that Muslims possess the remaining 4/8 thereby (conveniently) summing up to 1? (1/8 Jews + 3/8 Christians + 4/8 Muslims)
    
    Personal opinion is a non-answer. I want some verifiable evidence here because I think you are implying that Jews/Christians are going to hell unless they follow the full scripture, by which I guess you mean the Quran. So, basically, you are saying Jews/Christians are going to hell unless they also believe in “La Ilaha Il Allah, Mohammed rasool Allah”. Right?
    
    Shucks…I thought we were going to have a serious debate on verifiable stuff and not stupid opinions. What is there to discuss about a person’s opinions. Do we now want to debate on our opinions of who is a better cricket player – Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara or Steve Waugh? (In case you want to debate, let me state that I throw my weight behind Steve Waugh.)
  - Sameer February 24, 2011 At 2:54 pm
    
    ABRAHMIC SCRIPTURES ARE COPY PASTED FROM EARLIER PAGAN SCRIPTURES AND MYTHOLOGIES SEE THIS COOL ARTICLE OF ROBIN WOODSONG
    
    http://www.liberatedthinking.com/data/Info/christ/pagroot.html
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 3:07 pm
    
    YEAH OF COURSE THIS RELIGION I ADHERE TO NEVER CAME FROM THE DESERT ORIGINALLY IT CAME FROM AN ISLAND IN THE EAST WHEN ADAM BROUGHT IT WHEN HE LANDED ON EARTH.,
    SO OF COURSE IT’S OLD AND “COPY PASTED” CUS IT NEVER CHANGED BUT PEOPLE CHANGED IT CUS A LOT OF US WANTED THE POWER OF GOD TO BE GOD!!!!
    
    SEE YOU IN THE AFTERLIFE…I HOPE YOU STAY PROUD WITH YOU TRUTH SAMEER,MR KAL,VAJRA OH AND THAT RAJPUT WARRIOR,HINDU MILITANT…
    GOOD LUCK I HAD FUN BUT I HAVE GOT WORK TO DO.
    ;-)..
    WE SHALL AGREE TO DISAGREE ON EVERYTHING OK???
    YOU HAVEN’T SHAKEN MY FAITH..IN FACT YOU HAVE MADE REALISE HOW BAD THE STATE OF THE MINDS OF PEOPLE ARE THAT WHAT THE VEDAS PREDICTED THAT IN THE END OF THE AGES(END TIMES) THAT THE LAW OF OPPOSITES WILL COME INTO EFFECT…KINGS WILL BE PEASANTS AND PEASANT’S WILL BE KING!!!THE GOOD WILL BE THE BAD AND THE BAD WILL BE RECOGNISED AS GOOD.
    
    THANK YOU!
    
    STAY COOL…THE KALKI AVATAR IS COMING SOONER THAN YOU GUYS THINK…I JUST HOPE YOU’RE READY WHEN HE COMES.
    
    WELL WISHER
  - Vajra February 24, 2011 At 3:42 pm
    
    Well wisher aka whaaat????
    
    ————-WHAT THE VEDAS PREDICTED THAT IN THE END OF THE AGES(END TIMES) THAT THE LAW OF OPPOSITES WILL COME INTO EFFECT————
    
    So you have read Vedas 🙂 Please give me reference of the above Mantra (?)
    
    ————I HOPE YOU STAY PROUD WITH YOU TRUTH SAMEER,MR KAL,VAJRA OH AND THAT RAJPUT WARRIOR,HINDU MILITANT———–
    
    I hope you too will join us soon as you will come back to your home, Vedas 🙂
  - KalBhairav February 23, 2011 At 6:00 pm
    
    @Harm Wisher:
    
    If you dont type legibly, you can continue with your monologue. If you want to engage me, you need to make it easy for my eyes. OK?
    
    (2) This is a non-answer. The options I gave you were Yes/No/I dont know. Why wasnt this enough? Cut to the chase now, if you can. What do Jews/Christians have to do to escape eternal hellfire? Can they escape eternal hellfire without believing in La Illaha Il Allah, Mohammed rasool Allah?
    
    (3) and (4) Good for you. At least you have the courage to say that biologists/physicists are blasphemers. Now, my next question is, why have biology/physics departments in Momin land? Let us bomb and destroy such places in Pakistan/Bangladesh/Indonesia/Saudi Arabia/Iran/Iraq/Libya/Bahrain/Kuwait/UAE. Do you agree?
    
    Now, a new question:
    (5)Are you Sunni? Do you think Shias/Qadiyanis/Sufis are hell-bound? What should these folks do to avoid eternal hellfire?
    
    Let me remind you that unless you type legibly, I will not bother responding to your next post. If you agree, I will engage you in debate however long it takes. OK?
  - Vajra February 23, 2011 At 6:26 pm
    
    Brother KalBhairav
    Madarsa owner semi literate Mullahs had to include “computer studies” as a subject to show the world that Ummah (followers of an Ummi (illiterate)) is not the bunch of ultimate Ummis like its master 🙂
    
    But Mujahideen like well wisher (“well” in his vocab means Islam and thus contrary to the “well” for the humanity) and their Ustaad in Madarsa are unaware of something called “Caps Lock” key on the key board 🙁
    
    For him, hindus are bad and thus Vedas are bad but Quran is good even when 99% of muslims are bad in his own words! Brother he lacks common sense like most of his fellow Ummis, dont think he is worth responding
    
    thanks
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 6:40 pm
    
    why would you discuss semantics and word phrasing and such a silly time..i explained clearly why hindus are wrong and why 99% of muslims are wrong it looks like you are only smart with using words and not reading them..peace.
    WELL WISHER.
  - Vajra February 23, 2011 At 6:49 pm
    
    Namaste Well Wisher
    
    What is your take on Vedas?
    
    Majority of Muslims are grave worshippers thus polytheists. Whats your message for them? All muslims bow to Kaba, want to kiss Kaba idol, so all muslims are idol worshippers. Whats your message for Kaba worshippers?
    
    So are you sure that all those who pray 5 times and not 3 times and thus violating Allah’s orders will be in hell?
  - KalBhairav February 24, 2011 At 3:38 pm
    
    @Vajra:
    
    Well said.
    
    “WELL WISHER” is another flameout…The height of conceit of these clueless *idiots* is that they believe they have the ENTIRE TRUTH for all of manking for all time to come. Huh? If we ask for PROOF of this truth, they then say it is opinion but we Kufrs are blind and that is why we are unable to see the truth. They also hold that everyone else but their own single sect amongst the 72(?) is hell-bound. What a load of bull.
    
    In any case, it is fun to toy with these jihadis every once in a while. I am still (probably along with you) waiting for one good argument from the Muslim side.
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 3:52 pm
    
    YEAH I’M A FLAME OUT…THERE IS A REASON WHY THE ISLAM AND THE VEDAS SPEAK AND THE MAYANS AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE WORLDS RELIGION’S HAVE THE SAME PREDICTION OF THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!
    THAT’S WHY I THOUGHT IF I USED A VEDIC PROPHECY WHICH IS THE SAME AS MANY PROPHECIES THAT CAME BEFORE AND AFTER IT YOU WILL SEE THERE IS AN END AND GOD WILL COME!!!
    
    TO HEAR A GOOD OPIONION YOU SHOULD TRY PULLING YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR ASS CUS ALL YOUR HEARING RIGHT NOW IS S…….
    
    AND PRIDE IS SUCH A WASTEFUL EMOTION HENCE WHY I CALLED YOU PROUD BUT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PROUD OF BEING PROUD WELL THAT DOES MAKES SENSE DEOSN’T IT!!!
    
    AND FOR THE RECORD EVERYTHING YOU VAJ AND KAL AHVE SAID HAVE ONLY BEEN OPINION TOO!!!
    SO I REALLY DON’T SEE HOW ANY OF US ARE BETTER THAN THE OTHER AND IF YOU THINK YOU ARE THEN SURELY YOU MUST BE MORE BLIND THAN ME???
    ;-).
    
    WELL WISHER
  - Vajra February 24, 2011 At 4:10 pm
    
    Well wisher
    —————THE ISLAM AND THE VEDAS SPEAK AND THE MAYANS AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE WORLDS RELIGION’S HAVE THE SAME PREDICTION OF THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!————
    
    Any Mantra from Vedas? So you believe that Allah will come on earth?
    
    ————-YOU MUST BE MORE BLIND THAN ME???—————
    
    So you agree there is some problem with your vision 😉
    
    Get it rectified, come back to your home, Vedas.
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 6:34 pm
    
    OK. :-). since you are talking with a bit more respect i will engage in a respectful way brother.
    
    2)for your answer on the Jews and Christians and why Allah seems to have to have damned them you have to consider this hence why i couldn’t give you a yes or no answer for they were with god before they did this…in the scripture of the Jews there was names of two prophets that were written and they were the last two Jesus and muhammed peace be upon them but what the Jews did at this time and kept till now is that they took the literal meanings of their names i.e. Muhammed’s name means “the blesser/helper” and it’s short form is “Ahmed” which in the correct translated form of the torah is there.but the Jew priest’s not the Jew’s themselves who at the time of Jesus and Muhammed were lied to constantly much like we are today by leaders to fight everyone and hate everyone..refuted both of their claims to prophethood for it meant the priest lose their power and it goes back to God…hence why the Jew’s esp became cursed and only for that reason for in our Abrahimc religions one of the central concepts is if you deny the prophets that God sends who come with His truth then you deny God himself which seems pointless if you truly believe in that God..the christian priests who later joined with the Jew priests to continue this blasphemy then did the same to their people the Christians for fear of losing the same power hence why they too became cursed as it were…the only way the Jews and Christians can redeem themselves as far as i know is for each Jew and christian believer to go back to the true source of the scripture translate their own book correctly and see if Allah lied about His prophets…if they find Allah to have lied then i am wrong and i believe in the wrong God and i will damned with Allah for my lies but if i am right and if the truly research their holy books and correct them and Allah never lied then they have surely lost the greatest power i.e. having God/Allah on their side.
    also the rasooluallah part is an addition the true shahada of all Muslim’s should only be La illaha illAllah and nothing more,anything else is an innovation and a lie against what Muhammed(pbuh) said!.
    
    3) & 4)NO!!!don’t be silly bomb who???people can do what they like otherwise what’s the point of free will given to us by Allah/God…nothings a mistake even the mistakes seem like mistakes to someone who doesn’t truly believe in the power of Allah but everything’s is perfect and running perfectly on time..there were sent unto the lands many to mislead and many to guide…let them be as long they let us be to believe in our truths but they are trying eradicate us using media(even though media can be used for good it isn’t 99% of the time…you don’t believe me turn on the TV!) and false promises of freedom when no one was born free not even you or me.
    
    5)no i am not a sunni or any of the above i am a hanifa like Abraham,Moses,Jesus and Muhammed(pbut)(one who submits Allah) from the religion of salaam(Islam’s true name)
    
    what all Muslims should do is the same as what the Jew’s and Christians have to do read their scripture correctly and stop lying about our God/Allah and turning Allah/God into a vengeful and merciless and hateful God when the anger Allah unleashes is only on judgement day and only for the ones who angered Allah although people see this as anger in actual reasoning it is nothing but just punishment as Allah will keep His word that those who transgress against will face punishment (and sometimes if you have noticed punishment for a crime can seem like anger but only if it’s unjust and the person is innocent otherwise it is deserved)and on everyone else there will be peace on that day there will be no one to save anyone from all our true God.
    
    anymore questions?
    
    Well-Wisher
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 6:44 pm
    
    p.s. the only reason the jews and christians are wrong today is that they continue to follow their preist’s like the muslims who follow thier imam’s and not God.
    
    WELL WISHER
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 6:47 pm
    
    call me by my name as it is or i’ll make one as disrespectful as you have done for me…what did your role models teach you i.e parents etc???
    my name is WELL WISHER!!
  - Vajra February 23, 2011 At 6:52 pm
    
    Well wisher
    We have moral right to call you even “worst of creature” since your Quran calls us Kafirs with the same name. So be happy that you are not called by the name you deserve
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 6:51 pm
    
    another thing who said biologist and physicist are all blasphemers????
    i never once said that brother so correct yourself…if you hadn’t noticed quite alot of scientist’s believe in God for the simple reason that the universe is too perfect…but alot of them are too scared to say it out loud for they are contracted and have fear of speaking the truth…science proves alot of what the Quran says…go research brother…God made science we just discovered it!!!!
    
    WELL WISHER
  - Vajra February 23, 2011 At 6:54 pm
    
    Well wisher
    Any of the scientists does not believe in the miracles of Quran and thus they are unbelievers of Quran, Muhammad and Allah.
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 7:40 pm
    
    VIAGRA! shut your mouth you want to hear how bad i can diss you brother your name is perfect cus you think with your penis and not with your brain so i will call you viagra!
    fool the name kufr is for anyone who hinders the true God in this world and who hate God so if that is you and you are not trying to educate yourself but sticking to the religion you are born into even if you are wrong then you are right you are a kufr and you are hell bound for that reason and that reason alone but if you want to have an intelligent debate about God let’s stop the name calling and treat each other as humans?
    like i said to the other show some respect otherwise you both will have a long monologue you dumb guy..
    know thy self if you think you sound like a peace loving hindi you are wrong…you sound more like an arrogant boastful kufr who doesn’t read properly anything i have written and is so bored with life you want to start a fight on the internet…lets see if you’re that strong when i meet you brother…”i live next door to you!” ;-P.
    oh forgive my spelling sometimes i takes too long to write correctly to an ill informed illiterate a-hole such as yoursefls but to someone who wants to search for the truth about religion and God i will be nicer and spell correctly if i spell something wrong but for you i’ll show you the same respect you have shown me…
    if you see yourself as a kufr and you come under the criteria then guess what demon prince you are one…sorry if the defination describes you then i guess thats what you are..
    and since you are insolent to what i am saying without reading or understanding and you wish to be negative as if you are possesed by a demon then that’s what i’ll call Mr VIAGRA DEMON!.
    two can play at disrespecting…and trust me brother you dont how good i can disrespect demons..THE ONLY THING I WONT DISRESPECT IS GOD AND THE BELIEVERS WHO WHEN THEY HEAR THE TRUTH UNDERSTAND IT!
    
    WELL WISHER.
    
    p.s that was an example of how easy it is to be negative i won’t entertain you unless you say something positive or truthful…READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN INSTEAD OF COMMENTING ON YOUR OWN IDEAS!!!!
    
    OH AND SPEAK TO THE ACTUAL SCIENTIST OF HOW THEY TEACH THEY ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND OR KNOW TO BE TRUE!!!
    ALOT OF SCIENCE IS CONJECTURE ASSUMPTIONS AND BLATANT ARROGANCE USING A WHOLE BUNCH OF UNKNOWNS TO EXPLAIN THEIR FAILINGS TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH I.E E=MC2 WHAT US C(A CONSTANT,WHERE DOES IT COME FROM???SCIENTIST I DON’T KNOW BUT WITH OUT IT OUR FORMULAS DONT WORK…WHY CANT THE UNKNOWN BE GOD AND EVERYONE JUST CHILL OUT AND FEED EACH OTHER AND LIVE HAPPILY???OH I KNOW WHY YOU’RE TOO BUSY ARGUING WHY YOU’RE AN A-HOLE)!!!
  - Whaaaat???? February 23, 2011 At 8:13 pm
    
    so as long as you speak what ever the website agrees with stays huh?nice nice to know democracy only works for the people who can freely disrespect other peoples beliefs because the majority agree life is better without truth????
    that guy made more sense than you two did period!!!
    you talk about how ill-informed he is on your religion but all you showed was how ill-informed you both were of his religion…
    vajra dont you have no clue why they pray towrds the kaaba???they don’t pray to it or fashion it as a deity like some other religions do…also where did you get the grave worshippers from???oh i know from your head!;-)..i think you deserevd to not know the truth and be lost in yourself and intelligence…it took a long time for the guy to break and diss you too when the first thing you do is patronise what he said and call him names for what????powertrip???cus it certainly wasn’t for truth…otherwise you would have done your research before “giberrishly vomitting” i think was your quote mr kalbhairav????wow that wasn’t narrow minded at all or disrepectful…
    and why do you mr kalbahairav give only this to any muslim as answer “go bomb everything”…what kind of advice is that???it seems you’re the violent one who incites violence…that guy didnt say anything but leave people to beileve what they want and if there is debate let’s have a logical one thats not based on ego..
    and yes i don’t care about spelling…sue me!;-)
  - Whaaaat???? February 23, 2011 At 8:19 pm
    
    oh yeah and dont judge muslims by the violent misguided minority!!!
    if that was the case then the whole human race has a serious problem judging by the prejudice and ignorance and intolerance that spews from all people of colour and race and religion including the peaceful ones like hinduism and buddhism let alone the monotheistic ones…all our religions,monotheistic or polytheistics fought wars we have blood on all our hands!!!!
    if you read what well wisher said is don’t fight,learn!!!!
    get over your ego humans…grow up it looks like were still in our teenage years as a race!!!
  - Vajra February 24, 2011 At 3:05 pm
    
    Namaste Well wisher aka whaaat????
    
    I came to know that you were Hindu few years ago and converted to Islam. Why dont you come back to Vedic Dharm now?
    
    What is that Quran gives you which Vedas dont give other than polygamy, sex slavery, teaching of abduction, loot and invasion?
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 3:42 pm
    
    @ VAJRA I SERIOUSLY ASK YOU TO LEARN WHAT IS IN THE QURAN BEFORE CONTINUING TO SPEAK WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNT THROUGH THE HADITH’S…
    THE QURAN DOESN’T SPEAK OF “polygamy, sex slavery, teaching of abduction, loot and invasion” LIKE THE WAY YOU IMPLY YOU LOST GUY!!!
    HAVE YOU KNOW SENSE YOU GUYS JUST SOUND ILL-INFORMED ABOUT THE QURAN!!!
    
    I REPEAT TO ALL DHARMA FOLLOWERS “THE QURAN IS NOT WHAT THE HADITH’S PREACH OF ISLAM”
    
    THE QURAN IS REVELAED SCRIPTURE!!!
    THE HADITH’S ARE INTERPRATATIONS AND HEARSAY AMNGST THE MUSLIMS!!!!
    
    ONLY THE QURAN CLAIMS IT IS SENT BY GOD!!!
    
    THE HADITH’S DON’T AND CAN’T CLAIM THAT THEY A REVELEAED BY GOD AS THEY ARE INTERPRATIAIONS DONE BY HUMANS!!!!
    
    WHEN WILL YOU DHARMA GUYS EDUCATE YOURSELF’S THROUGH SELF REALISATION LIKE WE ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO THAT’S HOW I CAME TO ISLAM…ISN’T THAT DHARMA TO SELF REALISE?
    
    ISN’T SELF REALISATAION IN ITS ESSENCE SELF OPIONION…
    
    YOU GUYS ARE THE BIGGEST BUNH OF HYPOCRITICAL LIARS I HAVE COME ACROSS AND YOUR PRIDE AND ARROGANCE REMINDS ME OF SOMEONE!!!!
    
    YOU GUYS ARE FAKE PEOPLE OF GOD USING THE OPINION OF PEOPLE(SHOLARS ETC) WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE IT AND THEN CLAIMING SOMEONE’S OPIONION IS BETTER THAN SOMEONE ELSES’S!!!
    
    YOU GUY’S CAN HAVE YOUR MONOLOGUE NOW…
    
    YOU KEEP YOUR RELIGION TO YOURSELF AND I WILL SAFE GUARD MINE FROM LIARS AND HYPROCRITES SUCH AS YOURSELF…
    
    YOU HAVE NO DHARMA LET ALONE COMMON SENSE TO READ THE QURAN….
    
    I WON’T COME BACK TO HINDUISM ESP SINCE I KNOW WHAT YOU TEACH AND HOW THE FOLLOWERS PRETEND AND DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT DHARMA EVEN IS LET ALONE THE TRUE KNOWELEDGE THAT IS BASED ON REALITY…IF YOU COME BACK FROM THE DEAD TO THIS SAME EARTH WRITE AN ARTICLE OR A BLOG…I’LL BE SURE TO READ IT YOU A-HOLES!!!!
    
    GOOD QUESTIONS WILL RECIEVE GOOD ANSWERS…
    IGNORANT QUESTIONS WILL RECIEVE AN IGNORANT ANSWER!!!!
    
    SALAAM
    
    WELL WISHER
  - Vajra February 24, 2011 At 3:59 pm
    
    Well wisher aka Whaaat????
    
    ————THE QURAN DOESN’T SPEAK OF “polygamy, sex slavery, teaching of abduction, loot and invasion” LIKE THE WAY YOU IMPLY YOU LOST GUY!!!————
    
    Will you leave Islam if I show you these practices in Quran, practiced by Muhammad himself, and allowed by Allah?
    
    ———–ONLY THE QURAN CLAIMS IT IS SENT BY GOD!!!————
    
    There are thousands of books which claim their own divinity, whats so special about Quran?
    
    ————–THE HADITH’S DON’T AND CAN’T CLAIM THAT THEY A REVELEAED BY GOD AS THEY ARE INTERPRATIAIONS DONE BY HUMANS!!!!————–
    
    So dont you believe in Hadith?
    
    ————–WHEN WILL YOU DHARMA GUYS EDUCATE YOURSELF’S THROUGH SELF REALISATION LIKE WE ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO THAT’S HOW I CAME TO ISLAM…ISN’T THAT DHARMA TO SELF REALISE?————–
    
    Many rapists and pedophiles realized that their acts of rape and pedophilia are divine and allowed by God. How will you judge one’s or even your own realization that it is pure?
    
    ————YOU KEEP YOUR RELIGION TO YOURSELF AND I WILL SAFE GUARD MINE FROM LIARS AND HYPROCRITES SUCH AS YOURSELF…————
    
    Why cant you debate over Quran and Vedas and loser leaves his belief? What say?
    
    ———–YOU HAVE NO DHARMA LET ALONE COMMON SENSE TO READ THE QURAN….———-
    
    Probably because we have already read it 😉
    
    —————I WON’T COME BACK TO HINDUISM————–
    
    I am inviting you to Vedas, not to so called Hinduism 🙂 You tell me your problems with Vedas, either I will leave Vedas today or you accept those
    
    —————IGNORANT QUESTIONS WILL RECIEVE AN IGNORANT ANSWER!!!!————–
    
    Thanks for acknowledging that your posts are ignorant 😉
  - WELL WISHER February 23, 2011 At 5:32 pm
    
    P.S. ANOTHER THING IF HINDU’S TRULY DON’T BELIEVE IN A CASTE SYSTEM WHY THEN ARE ONLY BRAHMINS ALLOWED TO BE BRAHMINS/PREIST’S?I KNOW EVERYTHING ELSE IS CHANGING DUE TO SECULARISM IN YOUR COUNTRY BUT WHY CAN’T ANYONE BE AN PRIEST IN YOUR RELIGION???OR HAS THAT CHANGED JUST CUS YOU “WISH” IT TO BE TRUE?FOR ISN’T THE CONCEPT OF REBIRTH CENTRAL TO THE REASON WHY WE ARE BORN IN OUR CASTE OF BRAHMIN’S,VAISHYA’S ETC IN HINDUISM…????
    I HAVE ALSO HEARD INDIA HAS ADOPTED A NEW CASTE SYSTEM WHICH IS JUST AS RESTRICTIVE AS THE OLD ONE AS PEOPLE ARE BORN IN TO JOBS AS IT WERE/RESTRICTED BY THEIR CHOICE OF JOBS BY THE GOVERNMENT…
    CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG..
    I WANT ANSWERS!
    WELL WISHER.
  - hindu militant February 23, 2011 At 9:25 pm
    
    @well wisher
    here is my answer.
    Hinduism doesnt believe in caste system, but I personally do. I consider muslims as “achoot” untouchable . I dont even beat them with my own hands, but with a stick, so as not to defile myself.
    Secondly, I am a pure blooded rajput warrior, the defender of the faith, you wanna fight me?
    Lastly, if brahmins become priests or otherwise it is internall matter of hindu community, not for a bloody muslim like you to comment on. You comment I bash you, simple.
    I am founding a nrew religion called anti-islam, problem?
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:36 am
    
    that’s nice my non violent hindu and which scriputre did you get your dharma from
    when hinduism claims a dharma of complete non violence you lost soldier in the woods…you will need a stick for your hands will not be able to touch a muslim..you jerk
    cus you are too filthy to touch us hence why you have to use a pure woodem stick to touch us but the stick will bend due to Allah’s will and will turn to soft withering material that has no impact except on your own ego as once you have seen that you will realise it is you that you should be whipping for being an insloent boy who has understand of my relgion or your own..A-HOLE!!!!
    
    what’s a rajput warrior anyways a warrior called “raj” that stays “put”?
    
    STAY PUT JOKER AND LEARN SOME MANNERS THIS ISN’T YOUR DEBATE…AND IF YOU WANT IT TO BE TALK SENSE NOT VIOLENCE FOR MY TONGUE AND MY FIST IS WAY STRONGER THAN YOUR TYPING SKILLS!!!!
    
    READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN I WAS BORN A HINDU BUT BECAUSE OF DUMB HINDU’S AND STUPID LAWS I LEFT MY RELIGION TO FIND THE TRUTH…AND THANK ALLAH I DID OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE TO BE ALONGSIDE A MORON WITH NO KNOWELEDGE LIKE AND WITH THAT KIND OF STUPIDITY I WILL SURELY LOSE ALL MY DEBATES/FIGHTS AND MY SOUL!!!!
    
    BE SMARTER OR I WILL PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE!!!
    
    GO ON BROTHER GO AND MAKE A NEW RELIGION BUT WITH YOU AS GOD SO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW YOU…FOR YOU ARE BLIND,DEAF AND DUMB AND TRULY A LOSER IN THIS LIFE AND THE HEREAFTER.
    
    PEACE.
    
    WELL WISHER.
  - hindu militant February 27, 2011 At 7:44 pm
    
    @well wisher,
    tuzhko mirchi lagi to mai kya karu? I can see that my point rammed home and you are upset and wrote the earlier treatise.
    
    You muslims always find fault in others, and when the likes of agniveer, or others scholarly people find fault in islam , you complain about brahminism. What kind of idiots are you? Instead of doing instrospection, yu find fault in caste system, which is INTERNAL matter of hindu society, vis a vis muslims we are UNITED against a common enemy.
    I am not brahmin, so you cant blame me about being a devious brahmin who wants to rule. Iam a rajput warrior, the defender of the faith from mlechhas like you. TRY fighting me, I got 1000 years experien ce of fighting muslims. Incidentally, even dalits and adivasis hate muslims . In gujarat, the adivasis were at the forefront of annihilting muslims. next time dont talk casteism. We hindus are united now.
    I wont be able to touch a muslim, TRY ME, I can show you my past record, I threathened muslims in kashmir, what about rest of India. I am uniting all non-muslims in India against islam. Oh, and I would loooveeee to see the strength in your fists. I am a better warrior then you cowardly muslims can ever be, i ALONE am enough to take on all kashmiri mujjslims, with just one .50 calibre mahine gun, with bullets dipped in pig fat. Oh, and I dont have any qualms of conscience about shooting unarmed men, or shooting in the back, or shooting women and children.
    
    HAR HAR MAHADEV
  - Vik February 24, 2011 At 6:28 am
    
    @WELL WISHER
    
    dear brother, we equally condemn the caste system as much as you do. In fact, every member of this site considers caste systems to be anti humanity. Brother, hindus diverged from the path of Vedas long time back, but now its our responsibility to bring them back on the Vedic path. There is no sanction of the caste system in Vedas, its purely man made garbage. One of the best things you can do is circulate these articles about caste system amongst hindu pandits who support this nonsense and other hindus so we can all awaken them. Now, thanks to this site where I learned that this whole caste system is a hoax and I been happier to find out such nonsense is not even sanctioned in Vedas. Now, please do not show your hatred here, kindly show your hatred to all hindus who support this caste system. Show these articles to hindus who are ignorant towards Vedas. Many hindus are following this nonsense because they are unaware of its falsehood, and we have to alert not only hindus but all other religions so they do not judge the Vedic Dharam due to such stupidity.
    
    As far as the hereafter go, brother, think of it, do you think there are such places like heaven or hell? If there are, why is there no scientific proof yet?? Today we have so much technology and equipment to discover the galaxy and other external realms but its amazing til now we could not spot heaven hell>
    
    Heaven or Hell are only results of childish imaginations that have been propagated throughout centuries. It is a self refuting concept, so the more you believe in this stupidity, the more you distant yourself from intelligence.
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 7:07 am
    
    well i’m glad we clraified the whole caste system debate and my anger wasn’t on that fact alone and since you have answere more respectully than others i will answer your question.
    heaven and hell if you hadn’t noticed aren’t realms as such or even worlds in another part of the universe so there is no way to discover them only in death do you see what is real and what is not.
    any how i don’t understand you’re argument/debate brother as there is NO PROOf that rebirth exists or has happened on any level the way you say it has!!!!
    so we both are just talking from our own belief system and can only go by what we both feel is right…
    i feel islam is right and you feel dharma is right and that is fair but to condemn religions on people who have yet to understand basic conepts of love and understanding which are words used outside of religion even athiest’s and agnostics used those words we already have a problem as with only with true understanding of these words and other words can we ever achieve what hindu’s want from the kalki avater and what muslims want from Allah..
    
    scientific proof to find the hereafter is like trying to get to the edge of the universe which if you hadn’t guessed by now is scientifically impossible even today so how can you go into the realm of the dead when you can’t even go into the realm of the universe???
    
    oh yeah brother vik who on earth said that heaven and hell are external realms?
    nothing in any of the holy books claims such things so why are you…why i didn’t even claim such absurd things either so what are you talking about????
    
    this site and the people who talk sound more hateful and spiteful and violent than you think you are!!!
    
    you brothers aren’t peace loving like your dharma or even as peace loving as you claim to be!!!
    
    if you are going to comment then understand why you are saying what you are saying!!!!
    
    and do you truly claim intelligence when you have written something that deosn’t make sense???
    what will you make up next that God can be found by a xray scope???
    yeah that makes sense!!!!
    know what you are saying…you are a tool for evil when you talk with such ignorance!!!
    
    any how i don’t claim hinduism’s authenticity on the caste system…i asked a simple question and got stupid answer’s from people that don’t even understand the million books written on your religion cus you probably can’t read or understand the “intelligence” written in your books cus 1)it will take more than your lifetime to finish reading! and 2)if this is the “intelligence” you write after reading only a fraction of your holy dharma books then surely you are the one misguided???
    
    if hinduism was truly a peaceful religion and didn’t fight then surely hinduism should have been wiped out 3000yrs ago when it was invaded by whoever invaded at the time???no?for if you don’t fight how can you defend your faith when your “dharma” says to excercise non-violence??
    
    p.s. this other argument about krishna being born of a lower caste doesn’t make sense as he was born to a king and queen while they were imprisoned and krishna himself moved his body from his original mother’s womb and placed him in a surrogate’s mother womb who is in a village (i don’t know the specifics but please fill me in)
    
    WELL WISHER
    WELL WISHER
  - Vik February 24, 2011 At 9:04 am
    
    @WELL WISHER
    
    There has been live proof of people experiencing reincarnation, so if what can be a better proof than reality itself hence it proves the hell heaven theory false!
    
    Please tell me based on common sense what makes you believe more in the heaven hell concept over reincarnation? On what basis do all living entities today have their respective forms?
    
    If heaven hell are not eternal, then what happens to all after heaven hell has perished? Does Allah recreate them?
    
    No, we do not need an xray to prove the existence of ishwar. There are many things that exist around us that we cannot see, for example, electricity, but we know it is present since it operates our powered devices. The same way we cannot see Ishwar but we know He exists since we have various feelings in us. Now if your heaven hell realms existed, we should have definitely be able to see them or if not see them, at least feel them, but we do not? These are just imaginary stories.
    
    There have been many scriptures in hinduism, but only Vedas are free from corruption whereas everything else were either corrupted or interpolated over the passage of time. Many of these corrupted scriptures oppose Vedas in many ways that is why they should be followed to an extent where they agree with Vedas, otherwise they should be rejected!
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 2:20 pm
    
    look brother the thing you need to understand is the concepts put forward in Islam according to Islam otherwise you are reading the wrong book!!!
    God never once said in any of his books that you can find heaven or hell through any “human” means and only Allah can take you there to both of those places through his will…
    does it make any sense if humans could go to heaven or hell right now???
    think about it???go on think???
    if heaven is the place of reward for the righteous in spirit and where there is peace and happiness and every wish that is desired and good according to Allah religion you can have…why on earth would humans once they have found such a place knowing the vastness of the area (it is told in the Quran that heaven and hell are so big the are never ending in size) which basically means every human being born from all the religions from all the ages could fit in their with still so much space left over and live in luxury and peace forever or get there due punishment forever…
    now considering this is the concept of heaven and hell don’t you think if God allowed humans to find such places then surely what would be the point of God saying that only after his true and justice filled judgement will humans be entered in to these two realms…what would be the point if we could find it???don’t you think even you a veda would jump at the chance if such a true place as heaven existed and try to go there since it is eternal???and the meaning of eternal in islam for heaven and hell is forever and final..,.there is nothing after judgement!!!for God is perfect and doesn’t make error when He judges but you will only see that after yout test on earth is finished hence the final reward is either a “pass”/heaven or a “fail”hell and these are the only two results of our God in islam…nothing repeats forever like in the vedas for what power is their in that???it is easy for a god to create chaos just like it is easy for humans to create chaos but to create something final and perfect that last forever where there is no need for creation that takes a true God to do such a perfect miracle…
    your points don’t make any sense cus it seems a lot of you who comment on my comments seem to know less of islam than i do of your vedas!!!!
    this is truly pointless talking to people who are just proud and want nothing to know the truth with…there is no way any of you guys have read all of the holy books of the vedas last time i checked the volume number ran into it’s thousand’s possibly even more…you don’t have the time or the patience for that true knowledge to learn and correct yourself.
    (which clearly shows when all of you comment with silly subtle aggressive behavior or outright aggressive behavior,i don’t mind i am supposed to stand up for the truth.)
    
    and if you mean “proof” of reincarnation is someone saying “i used to be queen victoria in a past life”???then surely that’s the same as a prophet saying he is from God???anyone can talk brother but trust me on this one not everyone tells the truth!!!!
    I mean who trusts the person who claims they are this person or that person from history??? I think I’ll stick to this person or that person who speaks the truth thank you and none of you have made sense to me no matter how many of you gang up on me(simple crass bullying tactics!) no one has made a perfect claim to the truth out of all who have commented on my comments…not a single one of you…you are all like me alive and breathing and waiting for Him!!!!
    REMEMBER ACCORDING TO MOST RELIGIONS THERE ARE GOOD FORCES AT WORK AND BAD FORCES THAT WORK SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU SEE AS GOOD AND BAD AND THAT DECIDES WHO’S SIDE YOU ARE ON…BUT MARK MY WORDS CHOOSE CAREFULLY FOR IF YOU ARE RIGHT AND I DIE NOTHING HAPPENS TO ME EXCEPT I GET REBORN AS A PIG OR A MOSQUITO BUT IF I AM RIGHT THEN YOU SHOULD BE FEARFUL WHEN YOU FIND OUT AND MEET THE ONE TRUE GOD ALLAH AFTER YOU PASS AWAY(hopefully through old age,as everyone hopes to live a healthy and long life.)…FOR THERE IS A REWARD FOR BOTH THE GOOD PEOPLE AND THE BAD PEOPLE OF THIS EARTH AND UNIVERSE!!!
    
    anyways i have no problem with certain aspects of vedas i even have my own theory on the vedas but that is def not for this page…the vedas could have been part of the monotheistic canon but you guys left home along time ago and never came back and you permanently changed certain aspects of your teachings in the original texts like so many have done after you that because of pride you are unwilling to correct them…be with you books and keep being reborn if you are true and you can tell someone in the future how you talk to an ignorant idiot called WELL WISHER and how he never believed you…i don’t mind being wrong but i do mind since neither of us can prove certain things with such accuracy in our life time…
    I SAY LEAVE IT TO GOD…
    WE ALL FIND MEET WITH THE TRUTH IN THE END! :-).
    SALAAM.
    P.S. in the Quran it also says we learn about Allah/God and His truths through watching and observing the universe..we can both agree on that at least right??or are you too proud to agree with me on something?
    
    WELL WISHER
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 2:29 pm
    
    p.s what a silly question you have asked that i forgot to answer..your question was….”On what basis do all living entities today have their respective forms?”
    are you really serious????ummm let me see Allah chooses what is created and what is not for He is God and God alone we don;t decide nothing otherwise guess what you funny guy??that’s right that would mean we are God/gods and surely if that was true what are we all doing here???let’s fly away!!!!lol…you guys are funny.common sense???get some first then we will talk!!!
    
    WELL WISHER
  - Vajra February 24, 2011 At 4:46 pm
    
    Well wisher
    
    ———-God never once said in any of his books that you can find heaven or hell through any “human” means————-
    
    Allah claims that one has to be believer of Muhammad to get heaven. what about your claim?
    
    think about it???go on think??? 🙂
    
    ————it is told in the Quran that heaven and hell are so big the are never ending in size————–
    
    Heaven and hell have to be same for being never ending in size 🙁
    
    ————— but to create something final and perfect that last forever where there is no need for creation that takes a true God to do such a perfect miracle…————–
    
    What about the earlier divine scriptures which could not remain final and perfect, did some false God send them? What was the need for creation of this world?
    
    ———-you who comment on my comments seem to know less of islam than i do of your vedas!!!!———–
    
    you even dont know that Islam allows polygamy and sex slavery 🙁 So our ignorance of quran is justified 🙂
    
    —————there is no way any of you guys have read all of the holy books of the vedas last time i checked the volume number ran into it’s thousand’s possibly even more…—————-
    
    Can you share with us your source which contained thousands of volumes of Vedas? Why are you lying my friend, its not the right place to do Taqiya 🙂
    
    —————–REMEMBER ACCORDING TO MOST RELIGIONS THERE ARE GOOD FORCES AT WORK AND BAD FORCES—————
    
    I know about Vedas, there are nothing like bad forces! But may I ask, why did Allah create “bad force” at all?
    
    ————-the vedas could have been part of the monotheistic canon but you guys left home along time ago and never came back—————
    
    We believe in one Eeshvar. And why do you leave your home just because others are leaving it? Dont you have your own brain to apply?
    
    —————I SAY LEAVE IT TO GOD…
    WE ALL FIND MEET WITH THE TRUTH IN THE END! 🙂 .—————–
    
    Why wait for the end? Why not try and get the truth right here in this life?
    
    —————— in the Quran it also says we learn about Allah/God and His truths through watching and observing the universe..we can both agree on that at least right??—————-
    
    And in this universe we see that God has perfect laws which are never broken. Thus all the miracles told in Quran are wrong.
    
    ——————- what a silly question you have asked that i forgot to answer..your question was….”On what basis do all living entities today have their respective forms?”
    are you really serious????ummm let me see Allah chooses what is created and what is not for He is God and God alone we don;t decide nothing otherwise guess what you funny guy??—————–
    
    When everything is decided by God then why some questions are silly? 😉 Aren’t they asked because of the will of Allah? Or can someone say anything against Allah’s will?
    
    —————–you guys are funny.common sense???—————
    
    dont you know it needs common sense to make fun 😉
    
    I invite you to your home, Vedic Dharma.
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:22 pm
    
    :-)..i’m glad you read my long and exhaustive comments just to pick a line that is connected to the whole.i picked questions that were asked to quote from..don’t understand the first knoweledge you shoudl have understood more than anything is that humans can’t comprehend God and never will…the reason things are called miracles are because the happen outside of the laws of the universe hence why only something greater than the universe could have done it…if jesus or any of the prophets of islam claimed they did all the miracles themselves do you think i would have left the vedas/hindu conept of God?the answer is no..but i truly couldn’t beleieve a man or a woman created everything and never could cus i have yet to see it…when it happens and this being proves to be just and good and fair i will beleieve but untill then i have my beliefs that i come to drawn on by years of iiving and faith and from that i got my answers…you can ridicule me as much as you want but you have yet to give me any substantial proof of your beleif for me to believe…
    you expect me to “come back home to the vedas” just because you say God who is all powerful(this is a central concept of even beleieving in a God,ohteriwse give up on religion and be a socialist or a humanist) and never speak of God again) but at the same time he can’t do what ever he wants with regard to his creation???you truly have no faith in a God…there is no point saying God this and God that when you feel you can understand infinity whcih is exactly what God is…
    vaj you are foolish but it’s ok it was foretold that there will a billion strong community of various relions and races who turn against the one true God for they think they know Him when in actuallity noone does…
    we have limited understanding and you talk as if you can understand God on a personal level that is a joke try to understand everything God knows and i gurantee you that you would be annihalted by His true presence for how a human handle infinity when he can’t even understand or handle the finite universe!!!
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:24 pm
    
    have you really read the Quran and cpme to those conclusions about “polygamy,sex-slaves etc..????”
    then trust me you have made the same mistak as the billion strong muslims who have read their scripture wrong…
    well done you have misunderstood such simplicitiy…
    and what about the hadith’s???who claimed it was a revelation from Allah???did the last prophet???no!!!did Allah??no!!!!
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:25 pm
    
    p.s questions aren’t silly but dsrespecting is!!!
    
    WELL WISHER
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:29 pm
    
    no it takes common sense to respect!!!
    
    WELL WISHER
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:35 pm
    
    oh and the thing you said about peadophiles and rapist’s..a quote from VAJRA : “Many rapists and pedophiles realized that their acts of rape and pedophilia are divine and allowed by God. How will you judge one’s or even your own realization that it is pure?”…they aren’t self realised…you joker they are MENTALLY ILL or liars who want an excuse to do bad things you pick which answer suits you!!!!
    and so are you for saying that!!!!
    period!!!
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:37 pm
    
    oh yeah and VAJRA there are no evil forces at work huh??
    tel that to me when an injustice befalls you by an evil person!!!
    IDIOT!!!!
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:39 pm
    
    and maybe i do have my own brain and that’s why i left “home” to go HOME and maybe that’s why i follow Allah and not the muslims of today!!!!
    FOOLISH BOY!!!
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:41 pm
    
    does Allah really claim this VAJRA???
    your quote “Allah claims that one has to be believer of Muhammad to get heaven. what about your claim?”
    REALLY is that TRUE????
    last time i checked muhammed(pbuh) said that only through Allah can you get to heaven!!!!
    joker!!!
  - Vajra February 24, 2011 At 5:41 pm
    
    Brother Well Wisher
    
    No comments on your “long and exhaustive” comments anymore 🙂
    
    What I am asking is why dont you come back to Vedic Dharm? How do you know I dont believe in One God? I do.
    
    Can you give me the 50th verse of 33rd Surah from Quran?
    
    Come back home Brother! Quran was for Arabs, not for us.
    
    thanks
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:43 pm
    
    @VAJRA: your quote “—————IGNORANT QUESTIONS WILL RECIEVE AN IGNORANT ANSWER!!!!————–
    
    Thanks for acknowledging that your posts are ignorant ;)”
    
    thanks for aknowledging you were asking ignorant questions!!!!
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:46 pm
    
    P.S. @VAJRA show me these quotes from the Quran that claim your absurd ideas and i will explain to you how i understand them and not threough any scholars or idiots but through my understanding of Allahs words which shoudl be just as good as someone as someone with a degree as aren’t we all humans with the capacity of deduction and using our brain since we are all equal in God’s eyes????
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 5:52 pm
    
    @VAJRA are you talking about this quote:
    here are all the known tranlations of that verse written in english:
    
    Welcome to the Quranic Arabic Corpus, an annotated linguistic resource for the Holy Quran. This page shows seven parallel translations in English for the 50th verse of chapter 33 (sūrat l-aḥzāb). Click on the Arabic text to below to see word-by-word details of the verse’s morphology.
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    Chapter (33) sūrat l-aḥzāb (The Combined Forces)
    
    Sahih International: O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
    
    Pickthall: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father’s side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father’s side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother’s side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother’s side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage – a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers – We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess – that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
    
    Yusuf Ali: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
    
    Shakir: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her– specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
    
    Muhammad Sarwar: Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whom you have given their dowry, slave girls whom God has given to you as gifts, the daughters of your uncles and aunts, both paternal and maternal, who have migrated with you. The believing woman, who has offered herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet may want to marry, will be specially for him, not for other believers. We knew what to make obligatory for them concerning their wives and slave girls so that you would face no hardship (because we have given distinction to you over the believers). God is All-forgiving and All-merciful.
    
    Mohsin Khan: O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses – whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, – in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
    
    Arberry: O Prophet, We have made lawful for thee thy wives whom thou hast given their wages and what thy right hand owns, spoils of war that God has given thee, and the daughters of thy uncles paternal and aunts paternal, thy uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers — We know what We have imposed upon them touching their wives and what their right hands own — that there may be no fault in thee; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.
    
    what this verse is refering to is who a musilim is allowed to marry you dope not who he can have sex with when ever he wants but he can choose from lawfully according Allah/God to marry as his lawful wife…this verse doesn’t claiom anything to do with sex slaves yopu evil man!!!
    NOW I KNOW YOU ARE EVIL!!!!
    you are also more illiterate than the prophet you make fun of!!!
    Be GONE…i have sat here hearing your misghuided words of Allah but that’s the last of it you have NO CLUE as to what ISLAM and ALLAH preached to us you fiend!!!!
    
    WELL WISHER
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 6:04 pm
    
    @all who have tried disrepect the truth by commenting insults instead of truth…
    all your comebacks were all snide remarks that were offensive…
    i’m still here wondering where this “i’ll take you out you muslim” is leading to???
    nowhere it seems…
    all VAJ can say is i won’t speak about you comments except to say “come back home”
    well well VAJ “why don’t you come back home??”;-)
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 6:06 pm
    
    P.S you arrogant VAJ…
    GOD IS FOR THE TRUE BELIEVERS WHO ARE FEW AMONGST BILLIONS AND NOT FOR THE MANY WHO ARE THE SELFISH AND THE PROUD!
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 6:09 pm
    
    BTW VAJ YOU DON’T BELEIVE IN THE ONE GOD…FROM EVERYTHING IREAD OF YOU AND MR KAL AND SAMEER AND THE KALKI AVATAR WANNABE MILITANT HINDU YOU ONLY BELIEVE YOURSELF!!!
    I HOPE THAT WORKS OUT..
    OH AND THANKS FOR GIVING UP!!!
    I GUESS I STAY WITH ISLAM..
    I WILL GO NOW CUS I DON’T REALLY LIKE THIS IGNORANT WEBSITE!!!
    
    WELL WISHER
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 6:31 pm
    
    P.S. IF YOU WISH TO KNOW I READ THE BHAGAVAD GITA BEFORE I LEFT HINDUISM…
    I’LL STAY WHERE I AM AND YOU CAN STAY WHERE YOU ARE…I DON’T MIND..WE CAN ONLY TRULY SAVE OURSELVES..LEAVE THE SAVING OF THE WORLD TO ALLAH/GOD/ESHEWAR..YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING…YOU CAN’T EVEN TALK THE TRUTH WITH ME ABOUT WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU MISGUIDED FELLOW…
    YOU’RE RIGHT I’LL GO HOME BUT SO SHOULD ALL OF YOU WHEREVER THAT IS!
    
    ALLAH IN ARABIC MEANS GOD NOT ZEUS OR JOVE ETC…CORRECT YOURSELF BY YOURSELF THE MORE YOU READ ANOTHER’S IDEA’S ON HOLY BOOKS THE MORE YOU WILL THINK LIKE SOMEONE ELSE AND NOT YOURSELF…
    TAKE HEAD OF MY ADVICE FOR I WILL NOT REPEAT MYSELF…
    FIND THE TRUTH BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE…
    THE REASON VAJ YOU ARE A FOOL IS THAT IF YOU HADN’T NOTICED I HAVE FOUND MY ANSWER TO THE GOD QUESTION IT SEEMS YOU ARE STILL CONFUSED FOR ALL YOU CAN DO IS DISRESPECT ME RATHER THAN CONVERSE…
    RUN AWAY FROM THE TRUTH THAT’S ALL WHAT EVIL PEOPLE CAN DO WHEN THEY HEAR THE TRUTH OF ALLAH…
    
    WELL WISHER SIGNING OFF THIS WEBSITE FOR MY WORK HERE IS DONE!
    
    WHEN ALLAH COMES IT WILL BE AT A TIME WHEN NOONE EXPECTS..EVEN IF ALL OF THE HUMANS HAD THEIR EYE’S AND EARS OPEN 24/7 THEY STILL WON’T BE READY!!!
    
    ALLAH SAVE THE MISGUIDED AS ONLY YOU CAN!!!
  - WELL WISHER February 24, 2011 At 6:34 pm
    
    “Worship, study, charity, austerity, truth, forgiveness, compassion and freedom from greed, this is the eightfold path to Dharma.
    The first four can also be performed by a hypocrite, but the last four can only exist in a great soul.”
    GET IT???
    
    WELL WISHER
  - Vajra February 24, 2011 At 7:11 pm
    
    Well wisher
    
    ————–and maybe i do have my own brain and that’s why i left “home” to go HOME and maybe that’s why i follow Allah and not the muslims of today!!!!—————-
    
    How did you know that Quran is word of God and Vedas are not?
    
    ————–last time i checked muhammed(pbuh) said that only through Allah can you get to heaven!!!!————-
    
    Visit http://agniveer.com/3839/islam-the-religion-of-tauheed/
    
    ——————–show me these quotes from the Quran that claim your absurd ideas and i will explain to you how i understand them and not threough any scholars or idiots—————-
    
    Do you understand Arabic?
    
    ————————-Sahih International: O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives]—————-
    
    Can you elaborate more on WIVES of prophet and RIGHT HAND POSSESSIONS [OF CAPTIVES] under the light of your previous claims that Allah did not allow polygamy or sex slavery?
    
    ————–I GUESS I STAY WITH ISLAM..————-
    
    Islam without Hadith, without the verses of slavery and polygamy! This is some new Islam I have heard of for the first time 🙂
    
    All the best
  - WELL WISHER February 25, 2011 At 7:34 am
    
    @VAJ…you quoted this quote from the Quran:
    
    Sahih International: O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives]—————-
    
    Can you elaborate more on WIVES of prophet and RIGHT HAND POSSESSIONS [OF CAPTIVES] under the light of your previous claims that Allah did not allow polygamy or sex slavery?
    
    the actual quotes i have found are these:
    
    Sahih International: O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
    
    Pickthall: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father’s side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father’s side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother’s side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother’s side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage – a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers – We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess – that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
    
    Yusuf Ali: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
    
    Shakir: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her– specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
    
    Muhammad Sarwar: Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whom you have given their dowry, slave girls whom God has given to you as gifts, the daughters of your uncles and aunts, both paternal and maternal, who have migrated with you. The believing woman, who has offered herself to the Prophet and whom the Prophet may want to marry, will be specially for him, not for other believers. We knew what to make obligatory for them concerning their wives and slave girls so that you would face no hardship (because we have given distinction to you over the believers). God is All-forgiving and All-merciful.
    
    Mohsin Khan: O Prophet (Muhammad SAW)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses – whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, – in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
    
    Arberry: O Prophet, We have made lawful for thee thy wives whom thou hast given their wages and what thy right hand owns, spoils of war that God has given thee, and the daughters of thy uncles paternal and aunts paternal, thy uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers — We know what We have imposed upon them touching their wives and what their right hands own — that there may be no fault in thee; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.
    
    again you have misunderstood this quote as meaning he can have sex with these women when it talks of who muslims are allowed to marry!!!
    what Allah says here is that muslim’s wives are only lawful to them if they the muslim men have paid their dowry to the wives and only then are the wives lawful to them and until they have paid..even if they marry them the women of Islam.if they have not paid dowry or the women do not accept for any reason,then even if the muslim man calls that woman his wife and has a ring on her finger she is not lawful to him…and also Allah also says any captives of war that accept marriage from a muslim after thier country,land has been defeated by the muslims are also lawful to them but only as long as the women accept the muslim man who wants to marry them..also the term “what thy right hand posseses” is a statement from Allah meaning anyone that a muslim owns lawfully i.e. slaves(because having slaves was not uncommon in those days before it was abolished by this fake modern belief that slavery doesn’t exist anymore cus they aren’t called slaves but are now called by another name “minimum wage earners!!!”..these modern people of all countries then went on to enslave everyone by pricing everything so expensive and still paying them a wage of £1/1rupee/$1/1yen etc per hour so that can never buy anything they desire which in essence is still slavery except the deluded think they are getting paid but all they can buy for their family is a loaf of bread like the way i grew up where even buying oil and rice was hard!) and you have to remember when muslims use the term slaves they really mean what modern people call maid-servants/butler’s and this includes what other humans in other cultures call lower caste humans i.e. what hindu’s call poor people) they can be with each other freely and do what they wish that has been ordained for them blessed by Allah through marriage as Allah has made everyone equally available to be eligible to marry eachother whether they are rich or poor!
    
    by the way VAJ Islam without the Hadith’s is how Islam first came to the muslim’s through Muhammed (p.b.u.h) you JARHEAD!!!!
    
    just incase you ask about this verse:
    
    and when Allah says returned slaves He means those who after battle had lost and converted to Islam (or what alot of converts call themselves nowadays: “reverts” as in they reverted(returned) back to the original and true One God religion!!!) are also allowed in Islam to wed a muslim male or female who is with Muhammed (pbuh) if they both fall in love with each other freely of their own choice..as they are not considered non-believers if they convert or “return” to Allah.
    
    “and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers”…
    
    …what this verse means is that if a woman who is a true believer falls in love with the prophet and the prophet falls in love with her then Allah will protect their love and make sure they are together and this only applies to the prophet for he is protected by Allah for the duty he carries and the burden of truth he endures for Allah therefore Allah has blessed him in whatever he desires if whom he desires,desires him back but if whom he desire’s does not want/love him the prophet won’t be able to marry her but if they love each other then even oceans and mountains will not separate them as Allah has promised full blessings and help for what ever the prophet desires for that is his gift for truly believing and never doubting Allah and always speaking the truth about knowing that there is no God but Allah…this is also known to others of as the “luck of God”/”or what pagan’s now call “good luck”…that should make sense to you right for whoever is the truest believer and does all that God asks of them surley he deserves to be happy and have stress-free life where thing should comes easy since his protector is none other than Allah/God.for instance in the story of mahabarata,when arjuna lost his army to his cousins when krishna asked whether they wanted krishna on their side or the best warriors from arjuna’s side???they chose arjuna’s best men obviously and since arjuna only had krishna he felt despair until he realised that krishna is God incarnate therefore he had the army the size of infinity as he had God on his side therefore arjuna won the battle with ease even though he was outnumbered and sure to fail???”God luck”…do you understand now????
    
    I’m waiting brother VAJRA?????
    
    🙂
    
    La illaha ill Allah!
    
    WELL WISHER
  - Imran February 27, 2011 At 7:45 pm
    
    Salam bro Vajra and bro Well Wisher
    
    Islam should be properly understood in the light of Quran, Sahih Hadith and the holy life of prophet Mohammad (SAW). Bro Vajra you have not learnt Islam through correct sources and that is why you are confused. You can clarify your misconceptions by going through Dr. Zakir Naik’s articles and videos.
    
    Dont try to learn Islam from Anti Islamic websites. If Allah wants you to come to the truth, no one in the world can stop you, but you should give a fair attempt to search for it.
    
    Bro Well Wisher you are enthusiastic and zealous about spreading the truth of Islam but I think you need more research and reading of the Islamic literature. Sahih Hadith provide the context to the verses of Quran as well as the great life of our beloved prophet. So Hadith are compulsory to understand Quran and thus we should have belief in those too.
    
    Our Shahada is “La ilaha Illillah Muhammadur Rasoolallah” which means there is no God except Allah and Muhammad (SAW) is His final messenger. If anyone thinks that he can read a portion of it and leave the rest, he insults Allah.
    
    Please do not say that 99% Muslims are on wrong path. There are black sheep in every community, so Islam also have those but it is not right to say that all Muslims are wrong.
    
    We Muslims are on the path of Iman Alhamdulilla and will get Jannah Inshallah. So just follow Quran and Sahih Hadith, rest all will be judged by Allah. And please dont spread misinformation about Islam. May Allah show you the right path and to all hindu Brothers here.
    
    thanks
    
    Imran
  - Vajra February 28, 2011 At 2:12 pm
    
    Namaste Imran and Well Wisher
    
    We have nearly 25 articles here on Agniveer exposing the terrorist Zakir Naik. Can you refute one?
    
    And thanks for showing to Brother Well Wisher his true status as per ISLAM 🙂
    
    @ Well Wisher
    
    Now debate with this Jihadi disciple of terrorist Naik and convince him that belief in Muhammad is not as important as belief in Allah and your Kalma should be “Lailah illillah” only and not “Muhammadur Rasoolallah”
  - skphero --frnd of hindus the best but misguided December 26, 2011 At 12:55 pm
    
    gOD is great I don’t know your name But Dear now todaY I will cleaR all the Thnigs pls Don’t be hurt as I will not adopt the way of talking like u talk…. FirsT of All our ISLAM gives us a way to live all the islamic values are awesome go to the google and see by yourselve how many people are getting muslim DAYBYDAY why? bcz Islam has a total followable life of prophet S.A.W.S who spent a generous life really now tell me Stupidman? how many of you HINDUS follow your RAM, laxma, or hANUMAN what are there teachings? is there anything they left from the help of it you spent your life? I know what they gave to u or u adopt by urselve…
    pls don’t liE Afraid of Allah or your GOD these all things are 100% truth what I am saying..
    
    HINDU dharam yes hy…pls naraz nhn hoiega Islam in tamam batoun ki mukhalfat opposite hy.
    
    1–)NUDITY–as mention and shows in your Dramas, films, clearly.
    2–)sexual language as mention in Murder2, dirty picture etc these are the things u are conveying to your new generation..SHAME on U.
    3–)NEW Bhagwans Sachin tendulkar, Amitab bachan etc..Lanat hy ese mazhab pe jisme 1 khuda na ho HAD hy.
    4–)worship of many GODs for sex also like Yoni and shive :/ is this justifieD…
    5–)even you can check in your history about multi worshipings of your Bhagwans… so you asking me to follow which REligion which donot have a appropriate GOD or Creator and leAVe my only Allah– so Hear The Quran says And The Mighty Allah creates all the things instead the many idols they worship doesnot Create a single Bee.
    6–)will I worship which religion which tells a lot of corruption in the olden days about Caste and religion not talking about present..if such problems are solve Greatly at present so whay about the pasT..
    7–)The fact is fact the Slaves of young girls and other man behaved like animal is the history of hinduism.
- skphero --frnd of hindus the best but misguided December 26, 2011 At 1:00 pm
  
  todaY I will cleaR all the Thnigs pls Don’t be hurt as I will not adopt the way of talking like u talk…. FirsT of All our ISLAM gives us a way to live all the islamic values are awesome go to the google and see by yourselve how many people are getting muslim DAYBYDAY why? bcz Islam has a total followable life of prophet S.A.W.S who spent a generous life really now tell me Stupidman? how many of you HINDUS follow your RAM, laxma, or hANUMAN what are there teachings? is there anything they left from the help of it you spent your life? I know what they gave to u or u adopt by urselve…
  pls don’t liE Afraid of Allah or your GOD these all things are 100% truth what I am saying..
  
  HINDU dharam yes hy…pls naraz nhn hoiega Islam in tamam batoun ki mukhalfat opposite hy.
  
  1–)NUDITY–as mention and shows in your Dramas, films, clearly.
  2–)sexual language as mention in Murder2, dirty picture etc these are the things u are conveying to your new generation..SHAME on U.
  3–)NEW Bhagwans Sachin tendulkar, Amitab bachan etc..Lanat hy ese mazhab pe jisme 1 khuda na ho HAD hy.
  4–)worship of many GODs for sex also like Yoni and shive :/ is this justifieD…
  5–)even you can check in your history about multi worshipings of your Bhagwans… so you asking me to follow which REligion which donot have a appropriate GOD or Creator and leAVe my only Allah– so Hear The Quran says And The Mighty Allah creates all the things instead the many idols they worship doesnot Create a single Bee.
  6–)will I worship which religion which tells a lot of corruption in the olden days about Caste and religion not talking about present..if such problems are solve Greatly at present so whay about the pasT..
  AND last but not the leaSt what anout kamaSutra and other BAD deeds like SATTI in your religion as u are asking to join such which take THe women in fire after his husbanD
  
  Reply
  - Truth Seeker December 26, 2011 At 3:35 pm
    
    @skphero –frnd of hindus the best but misguided
    Brother, they are misguided by Shaitan. But who created shaitan to misguide them people. It is not other than Allah. Quran Allah is biggest Shaitan who had created Shaitan.
    __________NUDITY–as mention and shows in your Dramas, films, clearly________________
    How will it be interesting sex with 72 virgins in heaven as per Quran & Hadith. My mouth is watering even to listen this.
    __________sexual language as mention in Murder2, dirty picture etc these are the things u are conveying to your new generation..SHAME on U________________
    there should be ban on this as in Afghanistan. YOu should go from here & live in AFganisatan.
    _____NEW Bhagwans Sachin tendulkar, Amitab bachan etc..Lanat hy ese mazhab pe jisme 1 khuda na ho HAD hy.__
    Brother they are messenger of Allah. They are come to teach us (as Mohamad came) in their respective field like how to play, how to act etc. Because Allah is dependent on postman to deliver its massage.
    __________worship of many GODs for sex also like Yoni and shive :/ is this justifieD__________
    Brother, you mean to show they should worship Kaba stone. But how can Kaba stone give benefit them? Why Muslim bow head before Kaba stone. Kiss the black stone.
    __________even you can check in your history about multi worshipings of your Bhagwans_____
    Yes brother they should. They should know history “What was Allah doing before this universe creation? ”
    ___The fact is fact the Slaves of young girls and other man behaved like animal is the history of hinduism__
    Why HIndu do not support this. If this is true as Muslim support the idea of making slaves to woman , do sex with them & sex with mothers and sisters. Incest is allowed in Islam. What a animal theory in Islam.
    And do not forget this http://agniveer.com/6087/shuddhi/#comment-58645
  - skphero --frnd of hindus the best but misguided December 27, 2011 At 8:04 pm
    
    Reply to Truth seeker/// And a very imp. reply to some Hindu calims About there brothers muslimzz
    
    1–)as u claim about 72Virgins so Hear these were the virgins which Allah specially Creates for those Who Did good deeds in the world This life ..so 4example iF i ask i want ur Rolex watch will u give me.. or IF i ask u not to wear it so will u follow my command ?? NO.. so what is your PROBLEM if Allah Rewards his followers with this giFt .. u will also get if u bcum muslim.. But forthis u have to avoid the steps which i mention in my paragraph on which Hinduism based/// sory but The FAct ..new Bhagwans,nudity,Caste and creeds pls dont take iT..:/
    
    2-_) shukar hy Allah ka ap ne ye to mana k apki films kya conveyy krhi hen aur apki Generation kya seekh rahi hy so TO all HINDUS kya aplog unlogo ko follow kroge us mazhaB ko jo burai BEhayai ka Dars De.. Remember Good and Bad are not equaL//
    
    3–)As u say About Kabba so We go There For Hajj not 4 worshiping as It is our Home ..if i ask u not to Go to ur home will u AGree?? or i saY dont go to ur home u are doing shirk by going there or i stop u To do rounds around ur home ?? is this shirk But i said What u do u cReates New idols and make them gOD by supposing they can Harm or Benefit u .. whY this?:?
    
    4–) now There is not a single World Allahpak is the Sustainer of all anD He is the lorD of the universe.. we can feel Him when if we do gooD deeds it is far more better than Watching a young Halfly Weard hindu Girl… bcz u people Condemn HIJAB na ! so u feel thaT.. is This hinduism Teach???
    
    cont,,
  - Spirit December 27, 2011 At 8:23 pm
    
    skphero –frnd of hindus the best but misguided
    
    What you said does not make any sense. Some of your statements were written in hindi but was not convincing enough to understand. But You said,
    —-now There is not a single World Allahpak is the Sustainer of all anD He is the lorD of the universe.. we can feel Him when if we do gooD deeds it is far more better than Watching a young Halfly Weard hindu Girl… bcz u people Condemn HIJAB na ! so u feel thaT.. is This hinduism Teach??———-
    
    what good deeds are you talking about??? enjoying 72 houris, assassinations, plunder, ambushing, rape, child molesting, terrorism??????. You talked about Hijab. Do you know it’s origin???? It was suggested by Umar and accepted by Allah. Now think your (so called) ruler of the universe needs suggestion from a primitive man. Does not it sound absurd??? The hindu girl wearing half dress irritated you much but you started wetting your clothes when you were assured to have 72 houris. Lol 8)
    
    ———–As u say About Kabba so We go There For Hajj not 4 worshiping as It is our Home ..if i ask u not to Go to ur home will u AGree?? or i saY dont go to ur home u are doing shirk by going there or i stop u To do rounds around ur home ?? is this shirk But i said What u do u cReates New idols and make them gOD by supposing they can Harm or Benefit u .. whY this?:?——–
    
    I ask how Kaaba became your home?? Lets agree that’s your home but according to you, you go to home for a week in a whole life time (i.e. Hajj). This is funny. Some of the muslim fellows can’t even go there for want of money. Isn’t Kaaba in the centre of the earth, buddy????? If that be so how can you point a (unique) centre on the surface of a globe????
Dr Naik’s Introduction to Hinduism (edited with comments) January 7, 2010 At 12:02 pm

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vedamgopal February 11, 2010 At 9:45 am

Dear Agniveer

Dear Agniveer

Wonderful article, please clarify the meaning of the following (purification act – MUSALA, PESTLE, KUSHA), Also can you able to give some web reference about
(Ramanuja-communist) – Dr.Manmohans’s daughter writings etc,

Islam entered India through front door and Christianity entered India through back door. Now dictating terms for the house owner. 80% of Indian Muslim & Christian ancestors are Hindus. Hence I request all to come out of the false Abrahamic desert religion .

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Vijay Kumar March 4, 2010 At 7:43 pm

When do we expect coming of Bhagavan Kalki… an Avatar of present era… a messiah competent to uplift Dharma (righteousness)! In times of strife… when mutual trust amongst each other reaches its lowest ebb… coming of a messiah (Avatar) gets necessitated! Even man gods like Mahavira, Gautama Buddha, Jesus Christ or Prophet Mohammed fail in such circumstances!

Who shall be Bhagavan Kalki is the biggest question! Coming of a man god coupled with powers of Chanakya (most able administrator in history of mankind) is only solution! Humanity looks forward to such a one… an ordinary mortal that against all odds upholds Dharma (righteousness) and succeeds in re-establishing peace tranquility abound!

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dr mrityunjoy ghosh August 22, 2010 At 12:22 am

Thankyou for speaking the truth openning our eyes about that cunning person Dr.Zakir Naik,please accept my gratitude & well wishes

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Razzak August 22, 2010 At 7:38 am

u shud read the proper hymn what he said not the edited version go to http://www.sacred-text.com n u wil see tat what u have mentions abt demon n other things its nt that…. see the proper translation …

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- TOTAGOTO September 10, 2010 At 11:22 pm
  
  Why Mohammad is not the Kalki Avatar
  
  We are all accustomed to the little Jakir Naiks copying and pasting utter nonsense about Mohammad being the Kalki Avatar. They are unfortunately taking some verses out of Bhavisya Purana that prophesies birth of a demon as proofs of Hindu scriptures claiming Mohammad as being the long waited avatar of Vishnu. Without even understanding they are repeatedly portraying him as the worst demon of Hinduism. That’s why people need to read the Hindu scriptures before they copy and paste.
  
  Here are some specific examples from the life of Kalki Avatar that obviously show Mohammad cannot be possibly the long awaited avatar. Thanks to Rabindro Nath Roy for presenting this in a fluent manner.
  
  1) kalki’s birthplace:
  
  village: shamval
  dist: moradabad
  location: on the narmada river
  state: orissa
  
  2) parents:
  
  father’s name: vishnuyasha
  mother’s name: sumati
  caste: brahamana
  
  3) remarkable:
  
  at birth parasuram, kup, vyas, ashthvama and others meet him in the guise of young sanyasins.
  
  4) brothers and sisters:
  
  a) brothers:
  
  1) kavi
  2) prajna (pragya)
  3) sumantak
  
  b) sisters:
  
  none
  
  5) order among the brothers:
  
  fourth
  
  6) the then king:
  
  king vishakhayup
  
  7) education:
  
  from: gurukula
  place: the mountain of mahendra (orissa)
  subjects: vedas, archery and armor
  teacher: parasuram
  
  8. meditation and blessings of lord shiva:
  
  meditates on lord shiva and he blesses him with a fast-riding horse, which can understand his intention and take him there.
  
  shiva also gives him a ‘shuka’ bird who is a ‘pundit’ and will help him.
  
  he gives kalki a sword which will be so powerful nothing can withstand.
  
  9) friends:
  
  garga, varga, bishal
  
  10) marriage:
  
  with princess padmavati of sinhala
  
  now the question arise:
  
  did mohammed marry a princess?
  were mohammed’s parents brahamanas?
  did mahammed have 3 elder brothers?
  did mohammed learn the vedas from parasurama?
  did mohammed come to preach and establish the vedas?
  did he have those friends and brothers?
  did he worship lord shiva?
  did those sanyasins meet him at birth?
  
  11) and why did kalki avatara come?
  
  to establish the vedas which existed before him. mohammed came to cancel all the books that came before him and to establish the koran. i wonder what are some people getting at!
  
  Rabindra da continues vibrating what I mentioned, “i shall not make any comment on the bhavishya purana as mohammed fits to be a demon there and islam a demonic faith. it is really sad that muslims themselves are degrading and defaming their faith. it is only god who knows what he has set these preachers of islam to.”
  
  Some helpful resources: http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.com/
  
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  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 11:13 am
    
    @ Totagoto
    
    One simple question to you Sir….
    
    Why all Avatars of Hinduism belong to Brahmanas caste….???
    
    Wont the Avatars come in other castes like Shudras…???
    
    These are costly avatars ah….???
    
    This shows your dominance over others……
  - TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 11:31 am
    
    What do you know about caste system of Vedas?
  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 12:37 pm
    
    Whats there in vedas….???..You ll tell all are equal before God….then why you call you as Brahmin…Why only Brahmins are allowed inside temple for doing Pujas…???
    
    In comparison, Mohammed’s preachings made ppl to live together equally in his lifetime…
    
    Till now Vedas is not able to do that…why???
    
    Thinking practically Mohammed’s preachings would help to improve our lifestyles…Dont write Vedas has all things…tell me practically…if it was achieved already…
    
    I can also write things such as….”Don’t think about bad”…while saying so..I may think about something bad….so thoery is completely different than practical…
    
    An analysis would help you a lot….
  - Kaffir786 September 13, 2010 At 12:49 pm
    
    SSS you know very little about hinduism Lord Krishna is from lower caste and not a brahmin. He is is is from Yadav community, which is a lower caste OBC/SC in today’s context and even Brahmins worship him and you cannot judge a religion by some part of its members and if you judge like that then whole Muslims are Osama Bin Laden and terrorists.
  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 1:20 pm
    
    Very good @Kaffir786:
    
    You yourself has agreed to say….”Krishna is from lower caste”…which doesn’t mean you are still in the concept of “Casteism”…
    
    Does you have any proof that “Krishna belongs to lower caste”…???
    
    Why vedas is still not able to achieve the eradication of casteism which Mohammed was able to achieve in his lifetime…???
  - Kaffir786 September 13, 2010 At 2:17 pm
    
    SSS it is you who have believed in the Caste System and asked about the Caste of Hindu Gods even Brahmins never asked the Caste of Gods so I used your own logic to show that there is no caste system as per your logic, definitely you are Pakistani otherwise you have known Yadavs are SC/OBC and did not have asked foolish question. If there is really Caste System in Hindus why did Lord Krishna choose to be born in a lower caste Home as per your standard.
    
    SSS who told you there is no caste system in Islam, that itself shows that you do not know anything Hinduism or Islam there is 100000 TIMES STRONGER CASTE SYSTEM IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES BY YOUR OWN LOGIC see below for example
    
    BRAHMINS MULLAHS
    KSHATRIYA AMIRS
    VAISHAIYS BUSINESS CLASS OF MUSLIMS
    SHUDRA Poor Muslims, Non Muslims, woman’s
    earlier Black Muslims also.
    
    Now do not tell the nonsense that there is no caste system in Islamic Countries, in Islamic Countries a poor muslim cannot question a Mullah or Amir otherwise his whole family will be butchered, a non Muslim cannot drink water from a Masjid otherwise his whole community will be butchered like in Pakistan when a Hindu boy named Dinesh drink water from Masjid whole Hindus were butchered for this and we know how Muslims have sold black people in slavery.
  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 2:26 pm
    
    Stupid…
    
    How come you call me as Pakistani…..??? Dont you have something in your mind….???
    
    You should be a stupid Brahmin…thats why you are behaving like this….
    
    First analyze and then quote….
  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 2:31 pm
    
    You stupid….
    
    Will you marry a girl from lower caste…??? Where will it go if you come across marriages…Why you are not popularising such marriages…???
    
    First do and then show me….if you are really following Vedas or not…
    
    Calling other with your words such as Pakistani….I think this is how you are dealing with Muslims….and thats how your Vedas taught you?????
    
    Others: Sorry…I didn’t try to blame Vedas here…as u ppl do to Quran and Hadith…I also love Vedas….but this guy called me as Pakistani….thats why….
  - Kaffir786 September 13, 2010 At 2:47 pm
    
    Ha Ha nice brother I am not a Brahmin in fact I want to root out caste system completely . I believe in only one caste Hinduism/Sanatan Dharam or Believer in Vedas.
    
    By the way when you people cannot answer you use this type of techniques.
  - TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 5:43 pm
    
    //Will you marry a girl from lower caste…??? Where will it go if you come across marriages…Why you are not popularising such marriages…???//
    You are talking about stupid birth based caste system which is against vedas. Vedic
  - TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 5:44 pm
    
    vedic system is based on kharma.
  - Proud to be A Kafir September 13, 2010 At 12:49 pm
    
    @SSS
    
    So going by your logic, if the readers of TinTin and Twinkle can’t comprehend The Fountain Head, then Aryn Rand becomes useless !!!
    
    Why don’t you analyse your comments yourself, before making it Live !
  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 1:21 pm
    
    @ Proud to be A Kafir :
    
    I dont know what you try to achieve this from the above comments…
  - Proud to be A Kafir September 13, 2010 At 1:40 pm
    
    @ SSS
    
    You wrote – Till now Vedas is not able to do that…why???
    My reply – If people can’t take the wisdom of vedas, then who is to blame – people or vedas???
    
    you further wrote that muhammad’s preaching helped people improve lifestyle.
    
    My ans: I don’t see muhammad preaching anything new except – Polygamy, Keeping Sex-Slaves/concubines. Murdering innocents, Dividing humanity into – Believers and Non-Believers..
    
    Now it all depends how you comprehend things !!
    
    hope this is much clear !
  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 2:44 pm
    
    Thanks Sir @ Proud to be A Kafir :
    
    Thats what I am also telling….
    
    Mohammed proved and spread his teachings…I am able to understand how was the society at his time and how he changed….thats why I like him and love him so much…
    
    I really loved his preachings because…ppl wont follow anyone that much easily….unless until he proves to be such a great person in his life….
    
    Jews and Christians…opposed him not because of “he as not a good man”..but because of his principles…but even I saw so many wise Jews got converted to Islam while he was alive….
    
    Moreover he was not taught in any university and the Quran he wrote was with literature of high quality…
    
    We can also write things….but ppl wont follow…unless a good follower is preaching the principles….
    
    We can also show Vedas to world….showing Vedas have the things…we dont have a person…who lives the word of Vedas…thats why ppl are not following…
    
    Mohammed achieved that and we are not able to achieve that is due to the above reasons….Thats how…I love Mohammed that much through his teachings and preachings and the way he lead the ppl….
  - kishore kumar sahu October 1, 2010 At 11:37 pm
    
    Dear sss , if u want to know a person who lives the word of vedas ,,,he is
    YUGRISHI , VISIONARY of GOLDEN ERA , TAPONISTH PT . SHRIRAM SHARMA ACHARYA. To know more about him ,go through this site http://www.awgp.org. He has written 3200 books on all aspect of life , he done bhasya of vedas, purans, smiriti, darshan, upnishad Read it u will get all ur answer,,,
  - TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 1:03 pm
    
    sss,check the articles on caste system
  - TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 1:06 pm
    
    //In comparison, Mohammed’s preachings made ppl to live together equally in his lifetime…//
    
    The prophet Muhammad is known for his hatred towards Christians and Jews. He called them apes and pigs and ordered their slaughter and in one case he commaded his Mujahideen fighters to burn them with fire.
    
    While Osama bin Zayd, preparing his troops to invade the Christian lands, the prophet Muhammad commanded him saying, “attack them in the darkness of the dawn and fall on them killing and burn them with fire and invade them and return with the booty.” Those words of the prophet Muhammad could be found in the most authentic Islamic books which are known as the Mothers of the Islamic Books and approved by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif University. Just to mention few of them (Ibn Habib in al-Mahabir p 117, Ibn Kathir in al-Bedaiah wa al-Nihaiah p 139, 143, Ibn Said al-Nas in ‘Auion al-Atharig p 145, al-Suhili in Rawd Alanif p 24, Ibn Hisham p 245, and al-Tabari in Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Milook p 156).
    
    Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.”
    
    Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
    
    Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jiziyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low” [Another translation says] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
    
    Bukhari: V5 hadith no. 727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘that is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”
    
    The Slaughter of the Jewish tribe of Bani Qurizah,
    
    Muhammad: Oh brothers of monkeys and pigs
    
    The trembling Jews replied: Oh Abu al-Qasim, you have not been a bad man!! (Ibid; 392, quoting from Ibn Kathir, al-Bedayia p. 120).
    
    The prophet called out to them: Oh brothers of monkeys. Does Allah disappointed you and send on you his curse?
    
    The Qurizah understood the message and replied in fear: Oh Abi al-Qasim, you have not been an ignorant man (Ibid, quoting from al-Bihaqi, al-Tarikh p. 582).
    
    The Jews of Qurizah continued to plead with Muhammad `and beg him to send to them one of their allies, a man by the name of Abi Libabah bin Abd al-Nuziar al-Awasi.
    
    When Abi Libabah entered their garrison, the men rose, the women wept, and the children cried to him. When he saw them he had pity on them.
    
    They said to him: oh Abi Libabah, do you think we should go out for the judgment of Muhammad?
    
    He said, yes, and then he passed his finger across his neck, which means, the slaughter.
    
    Then their leader, Ka’ab bin Asaad said to his people: Let us follow Muhammad and believe in him.
    
    They replied: We will not leave the judgment of the Torah forever.
    
    He said to them: Then let us kill our children and women and go out to Muhammad.
    
    They said: Shall we kill these harmless children and women? What is the good of life after them? (Al-Qimni 2004: 393-394, quoting from al-Tabari p. 583).
    
    Finally the men of Bani Qurizah decided to go out and meet Muhammad hoping that the other Medinian tribes would intercede with the Prophet and request him to send them with their women and children out of Yathrib as he did before with the other two Jewish tribes. As soon as the Jewish men emerged out of their garrison, the prophet ordered his men to bind them with ropes and march them in a long queue (Ibid: 394, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 583). Then the prophet asked his men to dig many ditches inside the city (Ibid). After so many pleadings from the leaders of the Medinian tribes of al-Khaziriq and al-Awas, Muhammad agreed that Sa’ad bin Mu’aaz should decide the fate of the Jews (Ibid, quoting from al-Tabari p. 586).
    
    Al-Tabari narrated that Sa’ad bin Mu’aaz was dying. During the siege of the city, an arrow hit his hand and caused a cut on one of his nerves. The prophet tried to heal him by heating a nail and burning the nerve. In doing that Muhammad thought the bleeding would stop. However, the burning nail worsened the cut and caused the nerve to swell. When the Prophet repeated the same treatment the nerve exploded (Ibid: 395). In his dying state Sa’ad was carried to the Prophet. When Muhammad saw him he ordered the Jews to stand to their Master. “When Sa’ad was put down by his carriers the prophet asked him to judge on them. He said, I judge on them that the men should be put to death, their wealth divided, and their women distributed as jawari among the Muslims. The prophet said to him, you have judged on them with the judgment of Allah that has been given to you from seven heavens” (Ibid: 395, quoting al-Tabari, al-Tarikh p. 586).
    
    The horrifying slaughter was described by al-Tabari as follows:
    
    They brought first the enemy of Allah, Huaya bin Akhatab, while his hands were bound to his neck by a rope. (Huaya was the father of Safiya bint Huaya whom the Prophet killed her husband and brother and took her as his wife). When Huaya saw the Messenger of Allah, he said to him, I swear by God, I have never blamed myself for your enmity. Then, Huaya turned to the people and said, oh people there is no fear from the judgment and the Book of God, it is an honor written by God to the children of Israel to die as martyrs. Then, he sat down and his neck was beheaded… Ali bin Talib and al-Zibiar continued to strike their necks… It is assumed that their blood reached the oilstones that are at the market (Ibid: 396, quoting from al-Tabari, al-Tarikh pp. 588-589).
    
    The narrators of the sira differed in the number of the Jewish men who were killed on that fateful day. Some said six hundred, some seven hundred, some eight hundred, and some nine hundred (Ibid: 396). Al-Qimni states, “And we learn from our heritage a new thing happened in that slaughter. The slaughter was not restricted to men only, but included little boys too” (Ibid: 398 referring to al-Tabari p. 591). Then the victims were buried in those big holes or ditches that the Muslims dug.
  - hindu militant February 23, 2011 At 9:27 pm
    
    @SSS
    I am kalki avtaar, and I am born to wipe out islam from the world, and make the world a better place.
    HAR HAR MAHADEV
- Satyen November 27, 2010 At 5:30 am
  
  @ Razzak
  
  Please see the following link where the place of birth and name of the parents of Bhagwan Kalkin Avtar is given indetail which is in Orissa, India. Also a whole description is given there which makes it very clear that Zakir Bhai is either totally ignorant or is a great lier in this case at least.
  
  http://www.stephen-knapp.com/kalki_the_next_avatar_of_God.htm
  
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SSS September 13, 2010 At 11:27 am

I have read so many books and I didn’t find any issues with the life of Mohammed. His life is too good and even as a King, he was too simple living in a very small house. I really loved him. A person who lead that life practically would qualify for Moksha. In the entire history of World, I don’t find a person equal to him. I don’t know whats the problem with you all guys in accepting his preachings…

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- TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 11:33 am
  
  So you have not read the hadith. or you did not write ` I don’t know whats the problem with you all guys in accepting his preachings`. he was a rapist, mass murderer.
  
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  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 12:30 pm
    
    @Totagoto: He was really a good man. Nobody complained anything as such he was a rapist. None of the hadith had mentioned that. I don’t know why you are saying these things. I think you have only one thing in mind that, if Mohammed would born as Brahmana, then you would have 100 points to counter argue…since he was born on arabic family…you are calling him such things….
    
    Read the hadith fully…i think you would have already done that…analyze keeping things in mind such a way that….how ppl are at that time…and how he preached the truth to that ppl…he changed their lives…
    
    Before prophecy, he was known to be a trustable person and the person who helps the city a lot…
    
    His first declaration of prophecy is on a small mountain…i think u might have read that one also…I really wonder how he was able to do such things in his life….In a lesser span of time, he did a job equal to thrice or more, what one needs to do in his life…
    
    First analyze and then tell…this shows your less knowledge in analytical thinking….Don’t believe in anyone’s saying….you jump into that and swim to learn about swimming…Don’t write books how to swim, without knowing actually….
  - TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 1:01 pm
    
    Muhammad: A Rapist
    Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women captured in raids. However, after capturing the women, Muslims faced a dilemma. They wanted to have sex with them but also wanted to return them for ransom and therefore did not want to make them pregnant. Some of these women were already married. Their husbands had managed to escape when taken by surprise and were still alive. The raiders considered the possibility of coitus interruptus (withdrawing from intercourse prior to ejaculation). Unsure of the best course of action, they went to Muhammad for counsel. Bukhari reports:
    
    Abu Saeed said: “We went out with Allâh’s Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, ‘How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allâh’s Apostle who is present among us?” We asked (him) about it and he said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.” [1]
    
    Notice that Muhammad does not forbid raping women captured in war. Instead, he indicates that when Allâh intends to create anything, nothing can prevent it. In other words, not even the absence of semen can prevent it. So Muhammad is telling his men that coitus interruptus would be futile and ill-advised because it would be an attempt to thwart the irresistible will of Allâh. Muhammad does not say a word against the forced insemination of these captive females. In fact, by criticizing coitus interruptus, in effect he supported forced insemination.
    
    In the Qur’an, Muhammad’s god made it legal to have intercourse with slave women, the so-called “right hand possessions,” even if they were married before their capture.[2]
    
    Juwairiya:
    
    Ibn Aun has narrated: “I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn ‘Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn ‘Umar was in that army.” Bukhari 3.46.717 (see also Muslim 019. 4292)
    
    Muhammad sent one of his companions; Bareeda bin Haseeb, to spy on the Bani al-Mustaliq and after assessing the situation he ordered his men to attack. Muslims came out of Madina on 2nd Shaban of 5 A.H. and encamped at Muraisa, a place at a distance of 9 marches from Medina.
    
    Juwairiya was one of the captives during the raid of Banu Mustaliq. When all the prisoners were made slaves and distributed among the victorious Muslim soldiers, Juwairiyah fell to the lot of Thabit bin Qais. She was the daughter of Haris, the leader of the clan.
    
    The Islamic site muslims.ws writes: “She was the daughter of the leader of the clan, and therefore, very much felt the discomfiture and disgrace of being made slave of an ordinary Muslim soldier. Therefore, she requested him to release her on payment of ransom. Thabit agreed to this, if she could pay him 9 Auqias of gold. Hazrat Juwairiyah had no ready money with her. She tried to raise this amount through contributions, and approached the Holy Prophet also in this connection. She said to him “0’ Prophet of Allah! I am the daughter of Al Haris bin Zarar, the Lord (chief) of his people. You know that it is by chance that our people have fallen captive and I have fallen to the share of Thabit bin Qais and have requested him to release me considering my status, but he has refused. Please do an act of kindness and save me from humiliation”. The Holy Prophet was moved and asked the captive woman if she would like a thing still better. She asked as to what was that thing. He said that he was ready to pay her ransom and marry her if she liked. She agreed to this proposal. So the Holy Prophet paid the amount of ransom and married her.”
    
    First he raids a population without warning because they were easy targets and wealthy. As usual he kills the unarmed able-bodied men, plunders their belongings, then enslaves the rest. The narrator says, “According to the prevailing practice all the prisoners were made slaves and distributed among the victorious Muslim soldiers.” Prevailing practice? Didn’t Muhammad come to show people the right way? Why should he follow the evil prevailing practices of a people whom he called ignorant? By doing so, he set the example and those evil practices became standard practices of the Muslims for ever.
    
    The narrator says that upon seeing Juwairiyah the Prophet was “moved”. Methinks that movement must have happened in his male organ because his heart seems to have remained cold and unmoved. Although Muslims call this marriage, I call it rape.
    
    Safiyah
    
    Safiyah was a beautiful 17 years old Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops raided Kheibar. She was the daughter or Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe of Medina , whom Muhammad had beheaded two years earlier along with the men of Banu Quriaza. The tribe of Banu Nadir had been already banished from Medina and their properties were confiscated.
    
    Safiyah had married to her cousin Kinana, who was a young Jewish leader of Kheibar. When Muhammad raided that fortress, he killed its unarmed men and captured the rest. A Jewish traitor, (reminds me of Noam Chomsky) to gain Muhammad’s favor and be spared from death, told him that Kinana was the treasurer of the town and that he used to hide the money in some ruins. Muhammad ordered Kinana to be tortured to reveal the whereabouts of the treasures and killed him.
    
    Then he asked the prettiest woman from amongst that captives to be brought to him. Ibn Ishaq writes: “The apostle occupied the Jewish forts one after the other, taking prisoners as he went. Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana, the Khaibar chief, and two female cousins: [sisters of Kinana] the apostle chose Safiya for himself. The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims. Bilal brought Safiya to the apostle, and they passed the bodies of several Jews on the way. Safiya’s female companions lamented and strewed dust on their heads. When the apostle of Allâh observed this scene, he said, ‘Remove these she devils from me.’ But he ordered Safiya to remain, and threw his reda [cloak] over her. So the Muslims knew he had reserved her for his own. The apostle reprimanded Bilal, saying, ‘Hast thou lost all feelings of mercy, to make women pass by the corpses of their husbands?’”
    
    Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: “I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account”. (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766)
    
    The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night. Muslims call this marriage. I call that rape. I am certain not many young women would like to jump into bed with an old man who happens to be the murderer of their father and husband and many other relatives. That poor woman had no choice; therefore that marriage was nothing but a mockery of this sacred institution. At that time Muhammad was close to sixty years old.
    
    Rayhanah
    
    Another victim of Muhammad was Rayhana, a 15 year old girl from the tribe of Banu Quraiza. Muhammad massacred all the men of that tribe. Then women were brought to him to pick and he chose Rayhana. Rayhana never married Muhammad and unlike Juwairiyah and Safiyah never feigned being a Muslim to have an easier life. She preferred to remain a sex slave rather the wife of the murderer of her father, brothers and uncles. .
    
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    [1] Bukhari, Volume 5, Book59, Number 459. Many other canonical hadiths recount how Muhammad approved intercourse with slave women, but said coitus interruptus was unnecessary because if Allâh willed someone to be born, that soul would be born regardless of coitus interruptus. See the following:
    
    Bukhari 3.34.432: “Narrated Abu Saeed Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allâh’s Apostle he said, “O Allâh’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allâh has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”
    
    Sahih Muslim is another source considered factual and accurate by virtually all Muslims. Here is Sahih Muslim 8.3381: “Allâh’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) was asked about ‘azl, (coitus interruptus) whereupon he said: The child does not come from all the liquid (semen) and when Allâh intends to create anything nothing can prevent it (from coming into existence).”
    
    Muslims also consider Abu Dawood highly accurate and factual. Here is Abu Dawood, 29.29.32.100: “Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, ‘Tell them.’ She was embarrassed. He said, ‘It is alright, and I do it myself.’ Malik said, ‘A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission. There is no harm in practicing coitus interruptus with a slave-girl without her permission. Someone who has someone else’s slave-girl as a wife does not practice coitus interruptus with her unless her people give him permission.’”
    
    See also Bukhari 3.46.718, 5.59.459, 7.62.135, 7.62.136, 7.62.137, 8.77.600, 9.93.506 Sahih Muslim 8.3383, 8.3388, 8.3376, 8.3377, and several more.
    
    [2] Qur’an, 4:24: “Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allâh ordained (Prohibitions) against you.”
    Qur’an, 33:50): “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allâh has assigned to thee.”
    Qur’an, 4:3: “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.”
  - TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 1:02 pm
    
    In this part, I will be focusing on three events that define the nature of Islam’s foundations. At this stage, the Jews were becoming increasingly dissatisfied and angered at the deeds of the Muslims. The Jewish Tribes were hard working trades people, whose purpose in life was to earn a living through honest means and hard effort. They were perfectly content with the religion of their forefathers and had never anticipated that the man to whom they had given shelter so graciously, would turn into the power crazed monster who was now turning around to attack them. Mohammad was in the position to carry out his hidden ambitions, which became clear soon enough.
    
    With the utmost disregard for all human morality, ethics, or respect for human life, the Prophet of Islam systematically targeted and slaughtered the very Jews of Medinah who had helped him when everyone else in Arabia was kicking him like a dog. He was motivated by these primary reasons:
    
    1.His fanatic greed for all the wealth that had been created by the blood, sweat and toil of the Jews.
    2.His maniacal craving for power at any cost. The Jews were the biggest obstacle in his plan to subjugate all of Medinah, so they had to be removed, by any means possible.
    3.His fear of all other religions. Mohammad was a delusional Megalomaniac, meaning he believed that he was the Supreme Ruler of the world. Anything that threatened this sick fantasy of his, had to be exterminated. Since, the religion of the Jews rejected his pathetic claims to Divine rule, they were the targeted victims in Medinah, just as the Polytheistic Arabs had been his victims in Mecca.
    
    The incidents narrated below demonstrate the horrific depth of Mohammad’s atrocities. Keep in mind that Mohammad is the Model of Good Islamic behaviour and you will realise how Islam advocates genocide in the name of religion.
    
    8) Murder of a Jewish Elder from Khaybar
    Date: Late April 626 A.D.
    Place: The Jewish Oasis of Khyber
    Victims: Abu Rafi
    
    The Muslims who had murdered Kaab Ibn Al Ashraf the famous poet of the Banu-N-Nair (See earlier) were considered as heroes by Mohammad and his followers. Murderers were considered as ideal Muslims. A group of Muslims from the Khazraj Tribe decided to prove their loyalty to their Prophet by killing off a respectable member of the Jewish Community. Abu Rafi was an elderly man who had never done anything against Mohammad or the Muslims. He just happened to be the unfortunate target of Mohammad’s plot to terrorize the Jews. The Prophet wanted to send out a message to the Jews, which spelt out clearly that Mohammad was in control of their lives. The “expedition” to kill the poor old helpless man had the specific blessings of the “Merciful” Prophet. About Six of them broke into the Old man’s house in the middle of the night and slashed him to ribbons as he slept. The cowardly Muslims always assassinated people in this way, while the victim slept, obviously because they had neither the courage nor the strength to fight even a solitary, aged Jewish Man while he was awake. After their crime, the Muslims fled back home into the arms of their expectant Prophet. There was a fight among them as to who had actually killed Abu Rafi. At this, the Prophet smiled beatifically and started checking their swords. Finally, it was decided that the person who owned the sword which still had traces of food in it, was the winner. Apparently Abu Rafi had just finished his dinner before falling asleep and the sword had slashed through his stomach spilling its contents. Indeed how Benevolent was the Apostle of Peace!
    
    9) Massacre, Rape and Plunder of Banu-L-Mustaliq
    Date: December 626 A.D.
    Place: The well of Muraysi near Red Sea
    Victims: The Tribe of Banu-L-Mustaliq
    
    Mohammad attacked the Banu-L-Mustaliq because of their wealth. In a surprise raid, the Muslims drove them to the Sea. They slaughtered many members of the Banu-N-Mustaliq Tribe and looted away a booty of 2000 Camels, 5000 Sheep and 500 Women! 500 women were captured screaming and crying after they had watched their husbands and sons being slaughtered. The most beautiful captive was Juwayriyya, daughter of the chief of the Banu-L-Mustaliq. Mohammad snatched her to satisfy his own animal lust. The captured women were supposed to be returned by the Muslims upon payment of a ransom. But the night after the battle itself, Mohammad and his army raped each and every one of them. One of the men Abu Sa’id Khudri of Mohammad’s army reported :
    
    “We were lusting after women and chastity had become too hard for us, but we wanted to get the ransom money for our prisoners. So we wanted to use the “Azl” (Coitus Interruptus- where the man withdraws before ejaculating)…We asked the Prophet about it and he said:
    “You are not under any obligation to stop yourselves from doing it like that..” Later on the women and children were given for ransom to their envoys. They all went away to their country and not One wanted to stay although they had the choice..”
    
    So the Great Prophet of Peace told his men it was perfectly FINE to rape women as long as you didn’t ejaculate inside them (which made them pregnant). What supreme logic! Any human being with the slightest shred of morality has to be nauseated by this Man and the religion he preached. Mohammad, the supreme religious figurehead of Islam sanctions RAPE, pure and simple. Not only did the Muslims commit this horrifying crime, they decieved the Tribesmen into paying Ransom for their womenfolk, who only paid the money in a desperate attempt to save their women’s honor. To call such a Prophet and his followers the epitome of Evil is probably an understatement.
    
    10) Massacre of the Banu-Qurayza
    Date: April-May 627 A.D.
    Place: Medinah
    Victims: The Last Jewish Tribe left in Medinah The Banu-Qurayza.
    
    By this time, Mohammad had murdered or driven out all of the Jewish Tribes of Medinah, except the Banu Qurayza. It was time to eliminate this last thorn in his flesh. The Banu Qurayza had been reluctant in helping Mohammad against the Quraysh. Conveniently once again, Mohammad claimed that he had divine knowledge about a conspiracy by the Banu-Qurayza to kill him. He beseiged their fortress for Twenty-Five days. When the starving Tribe surrendered, Mohammad forced an old man from their own Tribe to pronounce Mohammad’s sentence. The sentence was death to every male member of the Tribe, Slavery for every woman and child and Plunder of all their property.
    
    The Prophet had an immense trench dug around the main market of Medinah. The men of the Banu Qurayza were rounded up & their hands twisted tightly behind them. Then one by one, they were shoved to the edge of the trench and forced to kneel. They were offered a last chance to convert to “The True Faith” and if they refused, had their heads chopped off by Ali the cruel executioneer. As soon as one head would roll off, the corpse would be kicked into the ditch, and so it went. By the time Dawn had colored the sky red in Medinah, hundreds of corpses piled up in a heap in a tangled cesspool of blood, hair and shreds of flesh. Despite the horrific end in front of their eyes, none of the Jews chose to convert to Islam and faced death valiantly. The blood of 900 innocent Jews stained Mohammad’s hands on that black day.
    
    Their only crime was that they chose to retain their fundamental human right, of choosing their own God and the religion of their ancestors. Hysterical women & children screamed as they watched their fathers, husbands & sons die. The majority of them were raped savagely and then bundled off to be sold as “used goods”. The Prophet had the husband of the Jewess Raihana Bint Amr hacked to pieces before her very eyes, hours after he had murdered her father. No doubt this was the Prophet’s perverted version of a wedding present, because after these atrocities he raped the mortified girl and tried to force her to convert to Islam. Muslim historians still describe the savage rape of Raihana Bint Amr as her “willing submission to Islam and wifehood to the Prophet”.
    
    Apparently according to them it is very natural to imagine that a woman who has just seen her husband, father, brothers and Tribe slaughtered violently before her very eyes, would CHOOSE to convert to the religion of the murderer and marry him! In actual fact Raihana REFUSED to convert to Islam and also refused to marry Mohammad the murderer of her family. He kept her as a lowly concubine all his life. So much for the “Apostle of Peace” and his unbounded RESPECT for women. Mohammad was nothing but a serial rapist, who acquired his victims by killing their families first.
    
    Allah as usual has provided yet another timeless Divine revelation which gives his Prophet the Right to rape and torture women of other religions.
    
    [an-Nisa’ 4:24]
    “And all married women are forbidden unto
    you EXCEPT those captives whom your right
    hand possesses. It is a decree of Allah for
    you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those
    mentioned, so that you seek them with your
    wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery…”
    
    In short Allah the All Merciful is saying “Hey Muslims, it’s a crime to go after married women, but IF they happen to be your captives (which obviously all the non-Muslim women were) feel free to indulge yourself in rape and sexual torture of them. “lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned” Allah is making it LEGAL for Muslims to go ahead and rape Non-Muslim women by Divine Law!
    
    One shudders to imagine what kind of minds invented such utterly sadistic and disgusting ideas.
    
    Mohammad justified all his crimes against the Jews with more of Allah’s revelations. Although the following Surahs were not revealed at the same time as the Massacre of Banu Quraizyah, they nevertheless give a general idea of the Prophet’s views on Jews and why it is perfectly fine to kill, loot and rape them.
    
    [al-Ma’idah 5:51]
    O you who believe! Take not the Jews and
    Christians for friends. They are friends one
    to another. He among you who taketh them
    for friends is one of them. Lo allah guideth
    not wrongdoing folk.
    
    [al-Ma’idah 5:64]
    The Jews say: “Allah’s hand is fettered.”
    It is THEIR hands that are fettered and
    they are ACCURSED for saying so. Nay,
    but both his (Allah’s) hands are spread in
    bounty. He bestoweth as he will. That which
    hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord
    is certain to increase the contumacy and belief
    of many of them, And We have cast among them
    (The Jews) Enmity and Hatred till the day of
    Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for
    war, Allah extinguishes it!
    
    The above verses clearly demonstrate the Muslim’s hatred of Jews as prescribed by their Prophet. They also expose the hollow claims of Muslims, about Islam being a peaceful religion that always co-existed with Judaism and Christanity. These historical events form the basis of the Islamic code of behaviour.
  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 1:32 pm
    
    Sir,
    
    I really proud of you to comment on a wrong way. I really think about you in such a way that….you want to spread something wrong about Mohammed and you are doing it…
    
    I really surprise that…since you have in your thoughts still Mohammed…and you are thinking about him every now and then….
    
    I really surprise…how he powerful he should be…..to make you think about him…even after 1400 years after his expiry…..
    
    Commenting him after 1400 years very strongly ….even you…. i am really laughing at you…. :D….even though after knowing from a lot of hadith…..
    
    One thing…can you do…live without his thought for one day…i am sure betting you….you can’t do that…..
    
    I really love you..since you love Mohammed either as enemy…
  - TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 5:46 pm
    
    Mohammad was a great genius.
    but I am qouting your hadith.
  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 6:12 pm
    
    He was not only genius but also a good man. He provided solution to lot of solutions through Quran…
    
    As far as, I have read he was a king, a simple ruler, a religion Guru preaching Islam, a wonderful person dealt even politely with other religions…
    
    I really wonder how he transformed the lives of those ppl to a professional way…even the worst ppl….
    
    He eradicated so many things such as Adultery, Poverty, drinking, gambling and gave rights to women, literate ppl and changed the lives of the ppl and to maintain physical balance, etc…
  - TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 7:17 pm
    
    How can be a rapist good man? i have showed you the hadith?
  - Gulam August 19, 2012 At 12:01 am
    
    @totagoto:
    if u read Hadith with ur rapist mind so surely u’ll understand so.
    today is the world where men are having sex with men and leaving behind women or just women population is just bursting out of proportion when compared to men nw.
    So wat would u think the solution is?
    would u command all the lone female population to become a public property or become lesbians??
    Our Prophet Muhammed (swa) gave the solution to marry more than one woman, if and only if u can do justice between them.
    
    and u say he’s ordering them to rape the women,
    This shows ur filthy thinking and ur filthy manners.
    this a perfect reason why Islam calls its non believers as kafir and impure.
TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 1:11 pm

Prophet himself violated quran

Introduction

TODAY’S JIHADISTS (suicide bombers) are murdering innocent, ordinary Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sudan, Nigeria, Somalia and other parts of the world to establish Allah’s laws. By Allah’s law they mean to institute the rules and regulations prescribed principally in the Qur’an, and in other Islamic holy books of Islam, such as hadis. These ardent soldiers of Allah staunchly believe Qur’an to be the infallible words of Allah, which are so sacrosanct that even Muhammad could have never violated.

But this is just a fib. When we diligently study the biography of Muhammad and the ahadith we find quite a few examples where Muhammad had openly transgressed the provisions in the Qur’an. Sex was an important aspect of Muhammad’s life. His unbridled indulgence in sex had, on many occasions, forced him to violate Allah’s rule overtly. To suppress his breach of the Qur’anic laws on sex and sexuality, he, as usual, concocted stories of Allah’s exemption to His dearest friend. In this essay I am exposing the hypocrisy of some Islamists who claim adamantly that Muhammad could have never violated the Qur’an. Besides sex, we also learn from the history of Islam that Muhammad had flagrantly violated many aspects of the Qur’an. It is important to learn about this aspect of Muhammad to characterize him as person of conniving, cunning and opportunistic disposition. This essay will expose the Islamic hypocrisy that Muhammad was a divine person, commanded by Allah to implement Allah’s laws on humanity.

Here are a few examples of how Muhammad had violated the most sacred book of Allah, the Qur’an.

Muhammad broke the rule on sex and foreplay during fasting

What the Holy Qur’an says about sex during fasting time: During fasting, sexual activity is for the night only… 2:187

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YUSUFALI: Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.

Here is what Muhammad did while observing fast: Muhammad slept with Umm Salama during her period, kissed her while fasting and used to take bath from the same pot after having sex… (Sahih Bukhari 1.6.319)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 319

Narrated Zainab bint Abi Salama:
Um-Salama said, “I got my menses while I was lying with the Prophet under a woollen sheet. So I slipped away, took the clothes for menses and put them on. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Have you got your menses?’ I replied, ‘Yes.’ Then he called me and took me with him under the woollen sheet.” Um Salama further said, “The Prophet used to kiss me while he was fasting. The Prophet and I used to take the bath of Janaba from a single pot.”

While fasting, Muhammad kissed and embraced his wives…(Sahih Bukhari 3.31.149)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 31, Number 149

Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Prophet used to kiss and embrace (his wives) while he was fasting, and he had more power to control his desires than any of you. Said Jabir, “The person who gets discharge after casting a look (on his wife) should complete his fast.”

Muhammad used to kiss and suck Aisha’s tongue while they were fasting… (Sunaan Abu Dawud 13.2380)

Sunaan Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.

Muhammad violated the Qur’anic rules on dower (mehr) and the time of waiting (idda)) in marrying a divorced/widowed woman

When Muhammad captured Khaybar, he took as a captive, Safiyyah bt Huyayy, a very pretty teenage girl and purportedly married her without paying her any dowry (mahr). The payment of mahr is compulsory in every Islamic marriage.

First, we shall examine how Muhammad violated the rule of dower. This rule is stipulated in the Qur’an thus:

To marry a woman, pay her dowry as a free-gift… 4:4

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YUSUFALI: And give the women (on marriage) their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, Take it and enjoy it with right good cheer.

To hide his deception, Muhammad claimed that marrying Safiyyah was in itself a good honour for her, her dowry was her manumission from being a sex-slave to Muhammad.

Let us read the following hadis.

Muhammad consummated his marriage with Saffiyah by staying with her for three days on way from Khaybar; he ordered her to wear a veil… (Sahih Bukhari, 5.59.523, 524)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 523

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet stayed with Safiya bint Huyai for three days on the way of Khaibar where he consummated his marriage with her. Safiya was amongst those who were ordered to use a veil.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 524

Narrated Anas:
The Prophet stayed for three nights between Khaibar and Medina and was married to Safiya. I invited the Muslim to his marriage banquet and there was neither meat nor bread in that banquet but the Prophet ordered Bilal to spread the leather mats on which dates, dried yogurt and butter were put. The Muslims said amongst themselves, “Will she (i.e. Safiya) be one of the mothers of the believers, (i.e. one of the wives of the Prophet) or just (a lady captive) of what his right-hand possesses” Some of them said, “If the Prophet makes her observe the veil, then she will be one of the mothers of the believers (i.e. one of the Prophet’s wives), and if he does not make her observe the veil, then she will be his lady slave.” So when he departed, he made a place for her behind him (on his and made her observe the veil.

Muhammad stayed with Safiyyah for three nights consummating his marriage… (Sunaan Abu Dawud, 2.11.2118)

Sunaan Dawud:Volumel. ii, Book 11, number 2118

Anas b Malik said: When the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married Safiyyah, he stayed with her three nights. The narrator ‘Uthman added: She was non-virgin (previously married). He said: This tradition has been narrated to me by Hushaim, reported by Humaid, and transmitted by Anas.

Saffiya’s dower for marriage was her manumission… (Sahih Muslim, 8.3326)

Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3326

This hadith has been narrated through another chain of transmitters on the authority of Anas that Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) emancipated Safiyya, and her emancipation was treated as her wedding gift, and in the hadith transmitted by Mu’adh on the authority of his father (the words are):” He (the Holy Prophet) married Safiyya and bestowed her emancipation as her wedding gift.”

Please note that nowhere in the Qur’an we find that Allah has made it legal to use manumission of a slave-woman to be used as her dowry (mahr). Muhammad simply invented this rule according to his convenience.

Ibn Sa’d provides further information on this lustful marriage with a 19-year-old Jewish beauty with 60-year-old Muhammad. Please note that before falling into the hands of Muhammad, a Jewish man had married this pretty girl. Muhammad had already beheaded Safiyaah’s husband and her father after subjecting them to brutal torture. Having satiated his lust for blood, on the same night he killed her closest relatives, Muhammad took Saffiyah into his tent to have sex with her.

We learn from Ibn Sa’d that Muhammad purchased Safiyyah from Dhiyah for seven camels (around US$ 2,100). On the same night that Muhammad took possession of Safiyyah, he hastened to his tent to sleep with her. Here is what Ibn Sa’d writes:

“….when it was night, he entered a tent and she entered with him. Abu Ayyub came there and passed the night by the tent with a sword keeping his head at the tent. When it was morning and the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, perceived (somebody) moving, he asked: Who is there? He replied: I am Abu Ayub. He asked: Why are you here? He replied: O Apostle of Allah! There is a young lass newly wedded (to you) with whose late husband you have done what you have done. I was not sure of safety, so I wanted to be close to you. Thereupon the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, said twice: O Abu Ayyub! May Allah show you mercy.” (ibn Sa’d vol.ii, p.145)

To hide the lascivious character of Muhammad, Muslim biographers often mention that he married Safiyyah before he slept with her. But they forget to state that Muhammad did not follow the rule of waiting period (three monthly periods) to sleep with Safiyyah.

We shall now see how Muhammad had violated the rule of idda (waiting period) in marrying a woman. These rules are stipulated in the Qur’an thus:

Before marrying another man, divorced women must wait three monthly periods… 2:228

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YUSUFALI: Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise

Widows wait four months and ten days for re-marriage…2:234

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YUSUFALI: If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And Allah is well acquainted with what ye do.

Clearly, when Muhammad wanted to sleep or to have sex with Safiyyah, she was a widow, as Muhammad had already killed her husband. Therefore, as per the Qur’an, Muhammad had to wait at least four months and ten days before he could even touch her. But Muhammad did not at all observe this rule; instead, he took Safiyyah, straight from the battlefield to his bed in the war camp. Having spent the night with her, Muhammad took her to another, safer location, stayed there for three days and consummated his marriage with Safiyyah.

Let us read a hadis on this:

Muhammad selected Safiyyah because of her beauty, made her his wife and gave a banquet at the wedding; then he had sex with Saffiyah at Sa`d-AsSahba… (Sahih Bukhari 4.52.143)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 143

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said to Abu Talha, “Choose one of your boy servants to serve me in my expedition to Khaibar.” So, Abu Talha took me letting me ride behind him while I was a boy nearing the age of puberty. I used to serve Allah’s Apostle when he stopped to rest. I heard him saying repeatedly, “O Allah! I seek refuge with You from distress and sorrow, from helplessness and laziness, from miserliness and cowardice, from being heavily in debt and from being overcome by men.” Then we reached Khaibar; and when Allah enabled him to conquer the Fort (of Khaibar), the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtab was described to him. Her husband had been killed while she was a bride. So Allah’s Apostle selected her for himself and took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad-AsSahba,’ where her menses were over and he took her for his wife. Haris (a kind of dish) was served on a small leather sheet. Then Allah’s Apostle told me to call those who were around me. So, that was the marriage banquet of Allah’s Apostle and Safiya. Then we left for Medina. I saw Allah’s Apostle folding a cloak round the hump of the camel so as to make a wide space for Safiya (to sit on behind him) He sat beside his camel letting his knees for Safiya to put her feet on so as to mount the camel. Then, we proceeded till we approached Medina; he looked at Uhud (mountain) and said, “This is a mountain which loves us and is loved by us.” Then he looked at Medina and said, “O Allah! I make the area between its (i.e. Medina’s) two mountains a sanctuary as Abraham made Mecca a sanctuary. O Allah! Bless them (i.e. the people of Medina) in their Mudd and Sa (i.e. measures).”

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- SSS September 13, 2010 At 1:37 pm
  
  Good Sir…Keep it up for spreading about Islam…
  
  I still think of Newton’s third law…
  
  I really think….Did Islam deals this much about life….even Mensus…. 🙂 This should be the perfect religion in the world to deal with even a small aspect of life…and giving women the way to live life…..
  
  Really wonderful anti-preaching…but i have taken the good things from that… 😀
  
  Thanks a lot…
  
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  - anwar September 13, 2010 At 4:03 pm
    
    this not religion as you think ,thi is book of sexual vandalism
    
    Religion is the study to understand and realize the importance of life in this universe
  - SSS September 13, 2010 At 4:31 pm
    
    Hi @anwar:
    
    I am not able to understand what you try to say???
  - 3X September 17, 2010 At 5:56 pm
    
    Yeah it controls the life of muzzies like mafia controls its gang …:)
    
    When one enters the islamic brotherhood mafia they cut the dik, when one tries to exit it they cut the neck…simple enough.
  - SSS September 17, 2010 At 6:07 pm
    
    @3X:
    
    First know how to reply for a question in a forum…
    
    This shows your lack of knowledge in using web sites…
    
    Better have some training…before you come here for replying in forums…
    
    Now I identify that…you should be a Brahmin…you ll show your original faces…I know…
  - 3X September 17, 2010 At 6:43 pm
    
    accuse & defile the person who shows you the truth, thats what every muslim does to win the argument. Alas it doesnt work at all on me now.
  - SSS September 17, 2010 At 7:04 pm
    
    We know…how you Brahmins are…
    
    So…I know your original face…how you defend…how you affend…
    
    There is no surprise for me…you ppl say all these…this is expected only…dominating guys…very descent outside….but packa local in thinking and all…!!!
  - kaffir786 September 17, 2010 At 9:32 pm
    
    BROTHER SSS IS LIAR THAT HAS BECOME CLEAR HE HAS NEVER READ KORAN OR HADITH. If he had read Hadith and Koran he would not had called ABU BAKR and UMER AS HEROES because after Mohammad’s Death they started torturing Mohammad’s daughter Fatima and cousin and son-in-law Ali and killed many Muslims who were supporters of Ali and Fatima this shows how they were following Mohammad. If you have any answers tell me brother.
  - hindu militant February 23, 2011 At 9:34 pm
    
    i too believe in newtons third law of motion. What happened to hindu minority in pakistan, bangladesh and now kashmir should logically happen to muslim minority in rest of India. Justice?
TOTAGOTO September 13, 2010 At 1:15 pm

Muhammad violated Allah’s restriction on him on the number of his wives

When Muhammad married Zaynab bte. Jahsh, the wife of his adopted son, Zayd b. Harith, Allah was a little bit displeased with Muhammad’s audacious crave for young, beautiful, sexy women—married or single. So, Allah clamped down on Muhammad, sternly warning him that that was enough, that he could not accumulate further, any extra wives. Allah made Zaynab Muhammad’s wife number eight or nine—the last wife. Here is the verse where Allah forbade Muhammad to marry further after marrying Zaynab bint Jahsh: Allah put restriction on Muhammad’s marriage; he is not to take any new wife, neither exchange old wives for new… 33:52

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YUSUFALI: It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over all things.

Let us have a look at the list of women with whom Muhammad had some kind of connection, including sexual. This list has been prepared from the book of Tabari (vol. ix, pp.120-141). Please note that this list is in chronological order. Highlighted in the list is the name of Zaynab bint Jahsh to demonstrate how flagrantly Muhammad had dishonoured Allah’s restriction on him—he had collected at least 13 more wives, a sex-slave and a concubine even when Allah commanded him to restrain his wife collection.

Muhammad had 21 wives. They were:

Khadijah bint Khuwaylid
Sawdah bint Jamah
Aisha bint Abu Bakr
Hafsah bint Umar (Hafsha found Muhammad and Mariyah in her bed and she became hysterical (footnote 884, Tabari ix.131).
Umm Salamah
Juwayriyyah
Umm Habiba bint Abi Sufyan
Zaynab bint Jahsh
Safiyyah bint Huyayy
Maymunah bint Al-Harith
Sana bint Asma or Saba bint Asma. She died before Muhammad consummated the marriage.
al-Shama bint Amr al-Ghifariyaah. Muhammad divorced her for her doubting his prophethood.
Ghaziyyah bint Jabir. She was previously married and had a son named Sharik. She was beautiful but she refused to consummate the marriage. Muhammad found her old (ibid, p.139); so he returned her to her people.
Amrah bint Yazid. Some say she herself gave to Muhammad (33:50). Muhammad did not consummate the marriage.
Asma bint Al-Numan. Muhammad found her suffering from leprosy; so he divorced her giving her compensation.
Zaynab bint Khuzaymah—also called Umm al-Masakin (mother of the poor)
Al-Aliyaah bint Zabyan. It is alleged that she peeped through her door at the people in the mosque. So Muhammad divorced her after paying her some compensation (ibid, footnote 919, p.138).
Qutaylah bint Qays—but Muhammad died before he could consummate his marriage with her. She and her brother apostatized from Islam.
Fatimah bint Shurayh (Sara).
Kawlah bint Hudhayl
Layla bt. Al-Khatim. She offered herself to Muhammad and Muhammad accepted her as his wife. Later, when her people admonished her for marrying Muhammad, she requested for a divorce and Muhammad divorced her.
People used to say that Muhammad was a womaniser (Tabari, IX:139).

List of women to whom Muhammad proposed but did not marry:

Umm Hani bint. Abi Talib—she had a child. Previously Abu Talib had rejected Muhammad’s proposal to marry her.
Dubbah bint Amir—she was too old.
Safiyyah bint Bashshamah—she was a captive.
Umm Habiba bint al-Abbas—fosterage.
Jamrah bint Al-Harith—was suffering from leprosy.
Khawlah bint Hakim.
Amamah bint Hamzah.
Muhammad’s concubines were:

Mariyah bint Sham’un (Hafsah found Mariyah and Muhammad together in her bed and she was hysterical (Tabari, ix.131, footnote 884)
Rayhanah bint Zayd al-Quraziyaah.
Marriage not consummated:

Mulaykah bint Kab al-Laythi; Muhammad divorced her.
Bint Jundub.
Even the one of the most eminent commentators and translators of the Qur’an, Maulana Yusuf Ali admits that Muhammad had indeed transgressed the stipulation of the Qur’an.

Yusuf Ali (commentary number 3754, p. 1123) writes: “This was revealed in A.H. 7. After that the Prophet did not marry again, except the handmaiden Mary the Copt, who was sent as a present by the Christians Muaqauqas of Egypt. She became the mother of Ibrahim, who died in his infancy.”

Muhammad violated the Quranic law on the punishment for sex offenders

Fornication and adultery are two most serious offences in Islamic societies. These acts are worse than murder and plunder. The punitive measures, as enacted in the Qur’an, are truly extremely harsh and barbaric. Let us read the verse which deals with such grave crimes: Punishment for adultery or fornication (both man and woman) is one hundred lashes in front of the believers …24:2

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YUSUFALI: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

Strangely, when it came to a friend of Muhammad, who admitted having committed a punishable offence (illegal sex, perhaps), Muhammad did not apply this Qur’anic rule. Here is a hadis from Sahih Bukhari on this violation of the Qur’an: Muhammad did not punish a person for illegal sexual intercourse because the person prayed with him… (Sahih Bukhari, 8.82.812)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 812
Narrated Anas bin Malik: While I was with the Prophet a man came and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have committed a legally punishable sin; please inflict the legal punishment on me’.’ The Prophet did not ask him what he had done. Then the time for the prayer became due and the man offered prayer along with the Prophet, and when the Prophet had finished his prayer, the man again got up and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have committed a legally punishable sin; please inflict the punishment on me according to Allah’s Laws.” The Prophet said, “Haven’t you prayed with us?’ He said, “Yes.” The Prophet said, “Allah has forgiven your sin.” or said, “….your legally punishable sin.”

Muhammad violated the Quranic code of conduct between marriageable couples

Please note that a man and a woman who are not close relatives (that is, those men and women who could be married to each other, those who are not in the prohibited class for marriage purposes) cannot, under any circumstances, be alone together. This moral guardianship is endorsed in these verses of the Qur’an: Believing men are to lower their gaze and guard modesty… 24:30

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YUSUFALI: Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.

Let us observe what Muhammad did with some single women, who could be married to him.

The first such woman was none but his first cousin-sister, Umm Hani bint Abu Talib. Muhammad passionately fell in love with her, but for some unknown reason his beloved uncle, Abu Talib did not give her hand to Muhammad when Muhammad requested. Instead, Abu Talib married her to a pagan, Hibayrah. But Muhammad’s adulterous relation with Umm Hani (real name Fakitah, also known as Hind) continued. He used to sleep in her house, when no one was around. Such an incidence took place when Muhammad returned from his failed mission at Taif, after the deaths of his first wife, Khadijah and his uncle Abu Talib. Returning from Taif, he took shelter in Ka’ba. But at nightfall, when everyone was asleep, he stealthily went to Umm Hani’s house and spent the night with her. In the morning, when the people did not find him at Ka’ba, they went looking for him. They found him in the house of Umm Hani. He was embarrassed. So was Umm Hani. To hide the truth, he concocted the story of his night journey to Jerusalem and Paradise from Umm Hani’s house (more precisely, from her bed), which many converts of Islam found too incredible to believe. They left Islam then and there. This made Muhammad sad and withdrawn. Soon, after such an adulterous affair was leaked, he left Mecca and settled in Medina. But his undying love for Umm Hani remained aflame.

Later, when Muhammad became militarily strong and conquered Mecca, he went to Umm Hani’s house and stayed with her overnight, praying and chit-chatting with her. Hubayrah, Umm Hani’s husband had foreseen the fall of Mecca and had fled to Najran. So, Umm Hani was living in her house, separated from her pagan husband, and Muhammad was there comforting her, in open transgression of the Qur’anic code. (Please consult: Martin Lings, p.33, 101, 103-104, 299; Ibn Ishaq, p.184, Tabari, vol.viii, p.186)

Here is a hadis from Sahih Bukhari which demonstrates Muhammad’s way with single women, divorced or widowed, rich or poor, for sex, which clearly violates the Qur’an.

A dignified woman, Jauniyaa (a princess) was brought to Muhammad to have sex with him but she was reluctant to give herself to him; Muhammad was angry and raised his hand to beat her… (Sahih Bukhari, 7.63.182)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 63, Number 182
Narrated Abu Usaid:
We went out with the Prophet to a garden called Ash-Shaut till we reached two walls between which we sat down. The Prophet said, “Sit here,” and went in (the garden). The Jauniyya (a lady from Bani Jaun) had been brought and lodged in a house in a date-palm garden in the home of Umaima bint An-Nu’man bin Sharahil, and her wet nurse was with her. When the Prophet entered upon her, he said to her, “Give me yourself (in marriage) as a gift.” She said, “Can a princess give herself in marriage to an ordinary man?” The Prophet raised his hand to pat her so that she might become tranquil. She said, “I seek refuge with Allah from you.” He said, “You have sought refuge with One Who gives refuge. Then the Prophet came out to us and said, “O Abu Usaid! Give her two white linen dresses to wear and let her go back to her family.” Narrated Sahl and Abu Usaid: The Prophet married Umaima bint Sharahil, and when she was brought to him, he stretched his hand towards her. It seemed that she disliked that, whereupon the Prophet ordered Abu Usaid to prepare her and to provide her with two white linen dresses. (See Hadith No. 541).

Readers should note that the woman mentioned in the above hadis was a minor, because her ‘wet nurse’ was with her when Muhammad wanted to have free sex with her. Also note that this child‑girl was perhaps naked when she met Muhammad, because Muhammad instructed Abu Usaid to cover her with white linen.

Muhammad violated the Qur’anic rule on sex and fondling with menstruating women

On menstruating women, the Qur’an says: Menstruation is a disease; can’t have sex during a woman’s period; after the period is over have sex in any manner, at any time and at any place… 2:222

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YUSUFALI: They ask thee concerning women’s courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.

Please note that in verse 2:222 the Qur’an clearly says: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean.

Let us examine what Muhammad did to his wives when they were in heavy menstruation: During Aisha’s period Muhammad used to fondle her in bath. When menstruating Aisha used to wash Muhammad’s head…(Sahih Bukhari 1.6.298).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6 Number 298
Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

Muhammad used to fondle his wives when they were menstruating…(Sahih Bukhari 1.6.299)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299
Narrated ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) ‘Aisha said: “Whenever Allah’s Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her.” ‘Aisha added, “None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could.”

Muhammad used to embrace his menstruating wives after covering their private parts… (Sahih Muslim 3.0578)

Sahih Muslim Book 003, Number 0578
‘A’isha reported: When anyone amongst us was menstruating the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) asked her to tie waist-wrapper during the time when the menstrual blood profusely flowed and then embraced her; and she (’A’isha) observed: And who amongst you can have control over his desires as the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had over his desires.

Muhammad put his cheek and chest in between the naked thighs of a menstruating Aisha…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 1.0270)

Sunaan Abu Dawud Volume i, Number 0270
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
Umarah ibn Ghurab said that his paternal aunt narrated to him that she asked Aisha: What if one of us menstruates and she and her husband have no bed except one? She replied: I relate to you what the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had done.

One night he entered (upon me) while I was menstruating. He went to the place of his prayer, that is, to the place of prayer reserved (for this purpose) in his house. He did not return until I felt asleep heavily, and he felt pain from cold. And he said: Come near me. I said: I am menstruating. He said: Uncover your thighs. I, therefore, uncovered both of my thighs. Then he put his cheek and chest on my thighs and I lent upon he until he became warm and slept.

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- SSS September 13, 2010 At 1:40 pm
  
  Sir,
  
  I really love you man…How much things you are making me to understand….???
  
  Still you prove that Islam is a good religion and Mohammed was a good man….even though you have corrected something and wrongly quoted….
  
  Still he is playing in your life…You are fighting for something and thinking about Mohammed all the day…
  
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- sona April 19, 2011 At 8:18 pm
  
  sir, plz tell me the sources,,,,all u hav written here is utter nonsense…go to a renowned bookstore and buy the true translated quran and hadiths….
  im sure u hav taken these lies from another islam hating forum…
  
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SSS September 15, 2010 At 3:08 pm

Did you ever here…an Emperor staying in a small house (a length of 10×6) ???

Did you ever hear an Emperor saying…don’t praise me…????

Did you ever hear a religion preacher saying “I am a slave to God…”…

Did you ever hear…that a person who totally changed the lives of ppl and eradicated poverty for ever…???

Did you ever hear an emperor saying….Don’t bow before me…???

Did you ever hear….ppl scolding an emperor before him and was allowed to live in the same empire….???

Did you ever hear a King lending money from others (Jews) and getting scoldings from them….while as an emperor…..???

Just because u have stated the hadith….u cannot say truth is in hell…his life was really beautiful…???

Truth always wins…Mohammed was a great emperor as well as a religious preacher, a great warrior, a great ruler, a great thinker, a great lover of the human society, a person who is known for his qualities, a person who makes the change in the world, a person…

Please analyze Sir…I really love Mohammed because of his great qualities…

His way of life is practical and he changed the lives of so many ppl…even now as a slave of God…

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- Shourya September 15, 2010 At 6:13 pm
  
  SSS
  Did you ever hear an emperor …..going to his eleven wives one after another in the same small house of (10×6)???
  
  Did you ever hear an emperor saying….. even God praises me just like common people do???
  [Quran 33:56 ]
  
  Did you ever hear an emperor saying……. believing in me is equally important than believing in God???
  
  Did you ever hear an emperor whose name is the source of inspiration for most of the suicide bombers and mass murderers even today???
  
  Did you ever hear an emperor who beheaded 900 unarmed Jews (Bani Qureza) and took their women as slaves, one of whom (Rehana) was raped by him the very night her husband was butchered??? [Ibn Ishak]
  
  Did you even hear an emperor who married a child of 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9?
  
  Did you even hear an emperor who married his daughter in law???
  
  His life was really beautiful???
  
  Please analyze sir…..If you still love him then you yourself are a threat to humanity! Leave Islam and come to Vedic Dharm.
  
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  - SSS September 15, 2010 At 7:39 pm
    
    @Shourya:
    
    Adey…..Punnakku mandaiyaa…..Puththiya vachchi nallapadiyaaa use pannu…..ippadi kutharkkama ninaikkathae…..ippadi iruntha…nee un pondattiyavae…santhekappaduva da mollamaari….karumam pudichchavanae….
    
    If his character happens to be like that….think if anybody would have followed him….think logically…any ladies would have liked him…
    
    I am ready to answer your one question….”Did you ever hear an emperor whose name is the source of inspiration for most of the suicide bombers and mass murderers even today???”…
    Ans: Since bcoz of some stupid is doing that…it is not what he said…it is not what he asked to do to others…??? I think you need to learn much…..
    
    Rest other questions, you use your brain to understand…imagine the life of ppl at that time and how he would have changed it…
    
    His life was really beautiful and I also love Mohammed…since it has meaning….he changed the lives of ppl…Go and read the full life history of him and then quote Sir…..
    
    I dont want ppl to quote…Don’t do wrong things…try to prove as Mohammed has proved over his lifetime…in making the change over the life of the ppl…
    
    People at his time are not mad to blindly accept a concept, loved him and followed him…which he proposed at that time…since bcoz his personal and official life was beautiful…ppl loved him that much…
    
    Just think Sir….Don’t say what other say….God has given brain to think…just use it for sometime…
    
    Truth will not fail…It will succeed definitely…I consider his life is full of faith and truth….as his enemies called him…he is a trustable person but gone mad…even enemies praised him as trustable person…
    
    His two friends ‘Abubakr’ and ‘Omar’…they were the remarkable persons in the world history…Their ruling is too good as it was appreciated by Jews and Christians at that time…
    
    They hate Mohammed not bcoz of his character….but bcoz of his principles…just read some more…Sir…
    
    I really admired by his preachings and his way of life which he left it as an example of everyone to follow…Really he was too good, beautiful….interesting guy…he touched my heart by his character…
  - Shourya September 15, 2010 At 8:40 pm
    
    SSS
    Laa Haul Valaa Kuvvat Illah Billah!
    So you mean Quran and Sahih Hadith are wrong! Every point that I made is either taken from Quran or Sahih Ahadith and Seerat. Now after denying divinity of Quran and Ahadith you are no more a Muslim my friend.
    
    I invite you to Vedic Dharm of your ancestors.
  - sds September 15, 2010 At 9:18 pm
    
    @SSS
    
    Vaarthayai konjam alandhu pesunga sir!
    
    Let me prove you how ur fraud prophet saved his wives.
    
    [58:2]Those who pronounce thihar among you [to separate] from their wives – they are not [consequently] their mothers. Their mothers are none but those who gave birth to them. And indeed, they are saying an objectionable statement and a falsehood. But indeed, Allah is Pardoning and Forgiving.
    
    In this he says only one mother, but later, how smartly he protected his wives by revealing another ayats
    [33:6]
    The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves, and his wives are their (believers’) mothers (as regards respect and marriage). And blood relations among each other have closer personal ties in the Decree of Allah (regarding inheritance) than (the brotherhood of) the believers and the Muhajirun (emigrants from Makkah, etc.), except that you do kindness to those brothers (when the Prophet SAW joined them in brotherhood ties). This has been written in the (Allah’s Book of Divine) Decrees (AlLauh AlMahfuz)
    [33:53]
    O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.
    
    All those verses are contradicting each other, any logical person can understand the contradiction in those verse, since the pedophilia want to save his wives he smartly revealed [33:6] and [33:53] ayats. Fraud prophet.
    
    Let me suggest AgniveerJi to write an elaborate article to analyze the above three verses in Quran to expose the fraud of Muhammad to save his wives.
  - SSS September 16, 2010 At 3:27 pm
    
    @sds, @Shourya….
    
    Thambi…Nalla keluppaa…..
    
    Did I say anywhere I am a muslim…..??? Dont imagine the things…you ppl have lot of imagination but no analytical thinking….Just analyze…you ppl have very less analyzing capacity….Better to increase them and talk with me…
    
    See the text below….
    
    According to Watt and Richard Bell, recent writers have generally dismissed the idea that Muhammad deliberately deceived his followers, arguing that Muhammad “was absolutely sincere and acted in complete good faith”. Modern secular historians generally decline to address the question of whether the messages Muhammad reported being revealed to him were from “his unconscious, the collective unconscious functioning in him, or from some divine source”, but they acknowledge that the material came from “beyond his conscious mind.”Watt says that sincerity does not directly imply correctness: In contemporary terms, Muhammad might have mistaken for divine revelation his own unconscious. William Montgomery Watt states:
    
    “ Only a profound belief in himself and his mission explains Muhammad’s readiness to endure hardship and persecution during the Meccan period when from a secular point of view there was no prospect of success. Without sincerity how could he have won the allegiance and even devotion of men of strong and upright character like Abu-Bakr and ‘Umar ? … There is thus a strong case for holding that Muhammad was sincere. If in some respects he was mistaken, his mistakes were not due to deliberate lying or imposture ….the important point is that the message was not the product of Muhammad’s conscious mind. He believed that he could easily distinguish between his own thinking and these revelations. His sincerity in this belief must be accepted by the modern historian, for this alone makes credible the development of a great religion. The further question, however, whether the messages came from Muhammad’s unconscious, or the collective unconscious functioning in him, or from some divine source, is beyond the competence of the historian.”
    
    Rudi Paret agrees, writing that “Muhammad was not a deceptor,” and Welch also holds that “the really powerful factor in Muhammad’s life and the essential clue to his extraordinary success was his unshakable belief from beginning to end that he had been called by God. A conviction such as this, which, once firmly established, does not admit of the slightest doubt, exercises an incalculable influence on others. The certainty with which he came forward as the executor of God’s will gave his words and ordinances an authority that proved finally compelling.”
    
    Bernard Lewis, another modern historian, commenting on the common western Medieval view of Muhammad as a self-seeking impostor, states that
    
    “ The modern historian will not readily believe that so great and significant a movement was started by a self-seeking impostor. Nor will he be satisfied with a purely supernatural explanation, whether it postulates aid of divine of diabolical origin; rather, like Gibbon, will he seek ‘with becoming submission, to ask not indeed what were the first, but what were the secondary causes of the rapid growth’ of the new faith ”
    
    Watt rejects the idea of Muhammad’s moral failures from Meccan period to Medinian one and contends that such views has no solid grounds. He argues that “it is based on too facile a use of the principle that all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Watt interprets incidents in the Medinan period in such a way that they mark “no failure in Muhammad to live to his ideals and no lapse from his moral principles.”
    
    Boss….before speaking anything…just analyze…just bcoz you are quoting from something…don’t say thats right….
    
    Just have a proper analysis and say…its true or not…I also know all the above things you said…just quoting the things and speaking vulgarity….won’t help in a long extent…
    
    As I said, Truth always wins…I am supporting Islam bcoz I love Mohammed as a person… but I hate Muslims bcoz they are not behaving in a proper way as said by Islam…don’t misinterpret the things…as though you know everything in the world…
    
    Everyone knows only a drop…not an ocean…with this you cannot say he is a criminal or not…
    
    If Mohammed is a criminal…i am the lawyer for him…you counter argue…but mind your words while arguing….better avoid vulgarity…
  - Shourya September 16, 2010 At 6:53 pm
    
    SSS
    So you are a non Muslim. Do you know that you are then among the worst of creatures (Even worse than dog, ass and pig)? [Quran 98:6]
    
    Anyway, we dont have any problem if you still continue to praise Muhammad. But wait! Ask Muslims first whether they will allow someone worse than animals to praise Muhammad?
    
    You wrote- “If Mohammed is a criminal…i am the lawyer for him…you counter argue…but mind your words while arguing….better avoid vulgarity…”
    
    Brother TOTAGOTO has already argued few posts above and I also gave you some facts in my first comment. Its your turn to counter argue! And BTW, we will only quote hadith and verses from Quran. But if you find something vulgar there, its your problem that you have chosen a wrong client to defend! if you want to avoid vulgarity, go to Darul Uloom Deoband and get a Fatwa issued that all Ahadith are to be avoided!
  - SSS September 16, 2010 At 7:57 pm
    
    As a human, if you are not able to understand one is good or bad….you are too bad than me…
    
    I dont need any fatwa from them…since the life of Mohammed itslef very clear…whether he was good or bad…???
    
    Always predict from the results…..i think now you would have got it….!!!! 😀
  - Shourya September 16, 2010 At 8:09 pm
    
    SSS
    Where are your counter arguments?
  - SSS September 17, 2010 At 10:38 am
    
    @SSS
    
    You didn’t argue at all…and you are looking for arguments….Don’t make fun….:D
  - SSS September 17, 2010 At 10:54 am
    
    @shourya:
    
    I mentioned about the vulgarity is this one which you wrote not from the hadith…”Did you ever hear an emperor …..going to his eleven wives one after another in the same small house of (10×6)???”
    
    I can also talk like this….but that doesn’t make a difference between you and me…I was brought up from a good family…and i know descency a little bit…not like worst of the worst creatures…
    
    Now I can analyze…how those hadith you are quoting would have been written…being to curse someone…writing in bad forms would be sufficient…
  - Shourya September 17, 2010 At 11:28 am
    
    @SSS
    Sahih Bukhari Vol 7, Book of Nikaah, hadith 6
    
    Narrated Anas: The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with)
    all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.
  - 3X September 17, 2010 At 6:20 pm
    
    after so much negative truth being exposed, only a brainwashed muslim can argue and say that his faith in islam has been more pronounced. After all a muzzy has a lot to fear from MohaMAD’s hell fury.
  - sds September 16, 2010 At 9:43 pm
    
    Anna neenga solluradhu nallave puriyuthu,
    
    but here we are arguing weather Islam is true religion r not , Muhammad is prophesied in Vedas r not and can we believe in Quran r not?
    
    please answer me following Questions?
    
    1. verses [58:2] [33:6] and [33:53] in Quran are contradicting each other r not?
    2. If Quran is not from God, y we have to follow it?
    3. Even if we consider Muhammad is a good person, y we have to add his name in our prayer?
    
    also make sure one more thing, r u an Atheist or follower of any faith? since u mentioned u r not Muslim.
sds September 17, 2010 At 3:08 pm

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@SSS

There are 100+ verses in Quran encouraging Muslims to fight against non-Muslims. Until Quran exists terrorism also exists.

answer me which one encouraged Arabs to use the Sword against that whole world for 1400 Years?

look at the death rate by Arabs/Muslims

Christians 60 Million
Hindus 80 Million
Buddhists 10 Million
Africans 120 Million
TOTAL 270 Million

since u r a Lawyer u must know the history.

http://agniveer.com/1100/jehad/
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Jihad
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Root_of_Terrorism:_Terror_Ninety-two_to_One-hundred
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/A_%28good%29_Muslim_has_to_be_a_terrorist
http://islam-watch.org/copper.kid/muhammad-umm-qirfa.htm

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Jay Kamble October 21, 2010 At 5:20 pm

Zakir naike God Bless you and I pray for you The Lord Almighty give a Good knowllege to you because you Proof again and again as Muhhamad is Massanger of Devil. Devil use to Muhhamad Destroyed the Nation by his Power. We give you thnx to You Zakir because you Increes my faith in again Reject a False religion Islam.

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- saa November 5, 2010 At 10:47 am
  
  BHAGAVAD GITA
  
  The most popular amongst all the Hindu scriptures is the Bhagavad Gita.
  
  Consider the following verse from the Gita:
  
  “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
  [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]
  
  The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e. ‘gods’ besides the True God.
  
  UPANISHADS:
  
  The Upanishads are considered sacred scriptures by the Hindus.
  
  The following verses from the Upanishads refer to the Concept of God:
  
  1.
  
  “Ekam evadvitiyam”
  “He is One only without a second.”
  [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
  2.
  
  “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
  “Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
  [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
  3.
  
  “Na tasya pratima asti”
  “There is no likeness of Him.”
  [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
  4.
  
  The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
  
  “Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”
  
  “His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
  [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4
  
  1[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 447 and 448]
  [Sacred Books of the East, volume 1 ‘The Upanishads part I’ page 93]
  
  2[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 745]
  [Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page 263.]
  
  3[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 736 & 737]
  [Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]
  
  4[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 737]
  [Sacred Books of the East, volume 15, ‘The Upanishads part II’ page no 253]
  
  THE VEDAS
  Vedas are considered the most sacred of all the Hindu scriptures. There are four principal Vedas: Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda.
  
  1. Yajurveda
  The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:
  
  1.
  
  “na tasya pratima asti
  “There is no image of Him.”
  [Yajurveda 32:3]5
  2.
  
  “shudhama poapvidham”
  “He is bodyless and pure.”
  [Yajurveda 40:8]6
  3.
  
  “Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
  “They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
  [Yajurveda 40:9]7
  
  Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
  4.
  
  The Yajurveda contains the following prayer:
  “Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander.”
  [Yajurveda 40:16]8
  
  5[Yajurveda by Devi Chand M.A. page 377]
  
  6[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Giffith page 538]
  
  7[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Giffith page 538]
  
  8[Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Griffith page 541]
  
  2. Atharvaveda
  The Atharvaveda praises God in Book 20, hymn 58 and verse 3:
  
  1. “Dev maha osi”
  “God is verily great”
  [Atharvaveda 20:58:3]9
  
  3. Rigveda
  
  1.
  
  The oldest of all the vedas is Rigveda. It is also the one considered most sacred by the Hindus. The Rigveda states in Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46:
  “Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names.”
  [Rigveda 1:164:46]
  2.
  
  The Rigveda gives several different attributes to Almighty God. Many of these are mentioned in Rigveda Book 2 hymn 1.
  
  Among the various attributes of God, one of the beautiful attributes mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3, is Brahma. Brahma means ‘The Creator’. Translated into Arabic it means Khaaliq. Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Khaaliq or ‘Creator’ or Brahma. However if it is said that Brahma is Almighty God who has four heads with each head having a crown, Muslims take strong exception to it.
  
  Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda:
  
  “Na tasya Pratima asti”
  “There is no image of Him.”
  [Yajurveda 32:3]
  
  Another beautiful attribute of God mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3 is Vishnu. Vishnu means ‘The Sustainer’. Translated into Arabic it means Rabb. Again, Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Rabb or ‘Sustainer’ or Vishnu. But the popular image of
  
  9[Atharveda Samhita vol 2 William Dwight Whitney page 910]
  
  Vishnu among Hindus, is that of a God who has four arms, with one of the right arms holding the Chakra, i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a ‘conch shell’, or riding a bird or reclining on a snake couch. Muslims can never accept any image of God. As mentioned earlier this also goes against Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19.
  
  “Na tasya pratima asti”
  “There is no likeness of Him”
  
  The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:
  3.
  
  “Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata”
  “O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone.”
  [Rigveda 8:1:1]10
  4.
  
  “Devasya samituk parishtutih”
  “Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator.”
  [Rigveda 5:1:81]11
  
  Brahma Sutra of Hinduism:
  
  The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:
  
  “Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan”
  
  “There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit.”
  
  Thus only a dispassionate study of the Hindu scriptures can help one understand the concept of God in Hinduism.
  
  0[Rigveda Samhita vol. 9, pages 2810 and 2811 by Swami Satya Prakash Sarasvati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]
  
  11[Rigveda Samhita vol. 6, pages 1802 and 1803 by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]
  
  as from the sun.” The Prophecy confirms:
  
  1.
  
  The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be ‘Ahm at hi’ and translated the mantra as “I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father”.
  2.
  
  Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.
  3.
  
  The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba Chapter 34 verse 28 (34:28):
  
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  - Indian Agnostic November 5, 2010 At 4:31 pm
    
    @SAA
    
    this foolish argument by Dr. Naik has been debunked way back in 2008 by Dr. Radhasyam Brahmchari
    
    Islam is a creed that cannot survive without lies. Any so called Islamic scholar, whenever presents a discourse on Islam before a non-Muslim civilized audience, begins with a blatant lie that Islam means piece. While, in fact, Islam is just the opposite of that called peace. Though it is well-known that Islam treats women no better than domestic animals- simply as objects for satiation of lust and a machine for procreation of children, these scholars say that the Koran has given dignity to women and Islam provides equal rights for men and women. While the Koran clearly states that each and every non-Muslim is a kafir, but these scholars, solely to confuse the entire non-Muslim population in the world, tell lies and say the word kafir stands for an atheist. The Koran clearly states that, jihad is the all-out war, which is to be waged against the non-Muslim kakirs to slaughter them en-masse by bloody massacre and bring the entire world under the banner of Islam, these scholars tells lies and say that jihad is a mental war between good and bad in a man.
    
    As a matter of fact, Islam considers telling lies to infidels or to give false testimony against them in the court of law for the benefit of Islam and for the benefit of jihad, a religious duty for every Muslim. Furthermore, the practice is called taqiyya or holy deception. Allah admires attaches merit to such a liar and rewards him profusely on the the day of last judgment (Qiyamah). Recently, a Muslim commentator has clarified that on three occasions, like (i) in war, (ii) or to win over a women’s heart and (iii) or for deceiving the infidels, lying is not a sin for the Muslims. So it is evident that Dr Zakir Naik will also be profusely rewarded by Allah for deceiving the infidels with his lies.
    
    It has been said earlier that this author has several video CDs containing lecture sessions of Dr Zakir Naik and in two of them Dr Naik tries to establish similarities between Hinduism and Islam. As usual, the lecture begins with condemnation of Hinduism and he says that name Hindu has only geographical significance and the term has been imported by outsiders or foreign invaders to identify the people of India and their culture. But the holy book of Islam, or Koran mentions Islam as a religion in several places such as verses 19, 85, 119 and 185 of the Sura Al Imran (the 3rd Sura). Moreover, Koran mentions Musalman in the verse 64 of the same Sura. Hearing his words the audience, mostly Muslim blockheads, is seen to be jubilant. But no one audience pointed out that a religion should be judged not by the name, but by the message it carries. However, Dr Naik , later on, clarifies and says that the real name of Hinduism is Sanatana Dharma, or Eternal Religion. Though there is no English word equivalent to the Sanskrit word Dharma, the word religion is usually taken as the English equivalent of Dharma.
    
    Dr Naik then clarifies that Islam is not a new religion originated by Prophet Muhammad 1400 years ago, and it came into being as soon as Allah created the first human being Adam in heaven. In my previous article “A Few Questions to Dr Zakir Naik on Islam”, I have shown that Allah created Adam not earlier than 4,127 years ago, and hence Islam, according to Dr Naik’s claim, cannot be older than the same number of years. But how old are the Vedas? Dr Naik admits that, according to Western scholars, the Vedas are the oldest literature of the mankind. But then ridicules the Hindus and says that they are polytheists and worship many Gods, while Muslims worship only one God Allah.
    
    But it seems that Dr Naik is not aware that Hinduism is the oldest monotheist religion in the world. Apparently it appears to a commoner that Hinduism is polytheistic as Hindus worship idols of many deities. But whosoever has tried to delve into it has found that Hinduism is absolutely monotheistic. In Hinduism, God (or Îúvara) is one, but deities are many. Even a Hindu child knows that, all these deities are the manifestations of one God (Iúvara or Brahman). So the seers of the Vedas say,
    
    Ekṃ sadviprâ bahudhâ vadanti Agniṃ Yamaṃ Mâtariúvânam âhuḥ -RV (1/164/46). (God is one but people call Him by many names like Agni, yama, Mâtariúvâ etc.) or
    
    Suparṇ Viprâḥ kavayo bacobhirekaṃ santaṃ vahudhâ
    kalpayanti- RV (10/114/5). (Him
    (With fair wings though there is only One (bird), sages imagin
    many).
    So, when Dr Naik designates Hinduism a polytheistic religion and ridicules Hindus for worshiping many Gods, he exposes his ignorance of even a b c of Hinduism.
    
    According to Dr Naik, Islam is the only religion that is strictly monotheistic, as its followers worship only one God Allah. But it seems, from Koran and other Islamic scriptures, that Allah is not confident that he is the only God in the world (not in the universe as Allah is aware only about heaven and earth).
    
    Had Allah been the only God, it would not have been possible for man to find another God to worship. And had Allah been confident that there is no other God except him, he should not have been jealous of another God. For example, let us imagine a village where there is only one well as the source of fresh water. Hence there would not have been any difference whether the villagers drink water from a glass or from a pitcher, or from a jug. And as there is not an alternative source, it must have been derived from that lone well. In a similar manner, if Allah knew that there is no other God, he would have been confident that people will not find another God to worship.
    
    But the behavioral pathern of Allah suggests that he is not confident that he is the only God. He seems always to be suspicious that there may be another God and people may worship that God instead of him and thus they may create a partner to him. So the scared Allah warns man not to worship another God or create a partner to him and says, “Say, ‘people of the Book, let us come to an agreement: that we will worship none but Allah, that we will associate none with Him, and that none of us shall set up mortals as deities besides Allah” (3: 64) [tr: N J Dawood (only the word God replaced by Allah].
    
    In this context, it should be mentioned here that, as the Hindu God is confident that He is the only God in this universe, He does not become jealous of another God and says,
    
    Ye api anya devatâ bhaktâ yajante úraddhayânvitaḥ z
    Te api mameva kaunteya yajantyabidhipûrbakam zz Bhagavadgitâ (9: 23)
    
    “O Kaunteya (Arjuna), even those who worship other gods with devotion (bhakti), they do really worship Me, though the rite differ from the norm” (tr: R C Zaehner). The Hindu God does not become angry and say, “you have committed the foulest sin by worshiping other gods or associating partner (shirk) with Me and I shall throw you in hell fire as a punishment for this sin, because He is confident that He is the only God, and no one could find another God to worship.
    
    To speak the truth, Allah is not a god at all. Allah is a cruel tyrant, a barbaric killer and a violent despot. In fact, the Islamic Umma is the biggest criminal gang on earth and Allah is leader and guide of that criminal gang and is trying to establish himself as the God of the world (not of the universe) with the help of the mujahidin through terror and bloodshed. He is therefore always scared that a member of his gang may slip out of his grip and start to worship that real God, the real ruler of the universe. So he has enforced strict law that if any one of his gang tries to desert the gang, he should immediately be declared an apostate and put to death. One should also notice that, this is the standing rule of every other underworld criminal gang. If any member of the gang leaves the gang, even with the intention of leading a decent life, the other members of the gang murder him instantly due to the reason that he may disclose the secrets of the gang.
    
    Allah in the Ṛgveda:
    
    It has been mentioned earlier that the lectures of Dr Zakir Naik are full of naked lies. The reader should also recall that, the most merciful and all knowing and all observing Allah has given clean chit to these people like Zakir Naik to tell any lie, to do any mischief and play any deception with the kafirs, if it helps to influence them and bring them under Allah’s fold or for propagation of Islam. And Dr Zakir Naik makes unrelenting use of that command of Allah in all his lectures. So, his claim that Allah is mentioned in the Ṛgveda is also a pure lie. Dr Naik says that the verses (2/1/11), (3/30/10), (9/67/30) and (1/13/9) of the Ṛgveda contain mentioning of Allah. When I opened the Ṛgveda, I was really dumbfounded that a man like Dr Zakir Naik, the president of a recognized institute like the Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) in Mumbai, could propagate such blatant lies and that too in open gatherings.
    
    The reader should recall that the word Âllâh has been derived from two Arabic words âl (the) and ilâh (anobject of worship). In Ṛgveda, there is a word iḷâ, with a completely different meaning. But Dr Naik, whenever could find the Sanskrit word iḷâ in the Ṛgveda, he, as his sacred duty of holy deceiption (taqyya), has declared it as mentioning of Allah, without a second thought.
    For example, the verse (2/1/11) of Ṛgveda says,
    Tvamagne aditirdeva dâúuṣe tvaṃ hotrâ bhâratî
    bardhase girâz
    Tvamiḷâ úatahimasi dakṣase tvaṃ bṛtrahâ vasupate
    sarasvatî zz
    
    “Thou, God (Agni), art Aditi to him who offers gifts: thou Hotrâ, Bhâratî, art strengthed by the song. Tthou art the hundred-wintered Iḷâ to give strength, O Lord of wealth! Vṛtra-slayer and sarasvatî” [tr: ibid]. According to Sâyana, the most celebrated commentator on the Vedas, iḷâ is the other name of Agni (the deity of fire). Furthermore, the entire Hymn (2/1) has been dedicated to God Agni and hence there is no doubt that the word iḷâ in the verse stands for Agni.
    
    The word iḷâ also occurs in the verse (1/13/9) of the Ṛgveda, that reads,
    
    Iḷâ, sarasvatî mahî tisro devîrmayobhuvaḥ z
    Varhiḥ sîdantasridhaḥ zz
    
    “Iḷâ, Sarasvatî and Mahî, three godesses who bring delight, be seated, peaceful, on the grass”. In this verse, Iḷâ is a godess and, according to Sâyana, Iḷâ in this verse may stand for earth, or cow, or vâc (speech).
    
    In a similar manner, there is another word Alâ in the Ṛgveda that refers to various deities. The verse (3/30/10) contains the word and says,
    
    Alâtṛṇo vala Indra vrajo goḥ pura hantorbhayamano byâra z
    Sugatpatho akṛṇonniraje gaḥ prâvanvâṇîḥ purahûtaṃ
    dhamantîḥ zz
    
    “He who withheld the kine, in silence yielded in fear before thy blow, O Indra. He made paths easy to drive forth the cattle. Loud-breathing praises helped the much-invoked One” [tr: ibid]. Here, Alâ is the other name of Indra. The entire Hymn (3/30) has been dedicated to Indra and this confirms that the word Alâ in the verse refers to Indra. But, as the word Alâ sounds like Allah, Dr Zakir Naik, like a fool, has taken it to be a mentioning of Allah.
    
    The word Alâ also occurs in the verse (9/67/30) of the Ṛgveda that says,
    
    Alâyasya paraúurṇâúa tamâ pavasva deva soma z
    Âkhuṃ cideva deva soma zz
    
    – “O, deva Soma, we pray to you so that the battle-axe of our enemy gets broken- Alâ, you descend and kill our irretating enemy”. Though the Hymn (9/67) has been dedicated to both Soma and Agni, scholars believe that the word Alâ in this verse refers to Soma or the Moon (or Soma) .
    
    According to Dr Zakir Naik, every Sanskrit dictionary contains the word Allah and says that Allah is the God. In the most authentic Sanskrit-English Dictionary by Monier Williams (A Sanskrit-English Dictionary, Motilal Benarasidass, Delhi,1981), the present author could not find the word Âllah. The words, this author could find that sound like Allah are; Al (to be competent or able), Ala (the sting in the tail of a scorpion), Alât (a firebrand or coal) and Âla (spawn, any discharge of poisonous matter from a venomous animal). Another authentic Sanskrit-English Dictionary (The Student’s Sanskrit-English Dictionary by Vaman Shivaram Apte, Motilal Benarasidass, Delhi, 2005), there is a word Allâ and says that it stands for mother.
    
    Conclusion:
    
    From the discussions presented above, it becomes evident that, all the utterences of Dr Zakir Naik regarding mentioning of Allah in the Ṛgveda and in the Sanskrit dictionaries are pure lies. But the question remains: Why Dr Naik is hell bent on to discover mentioning of Allah in Sanskrit literature? It has been mentioned earlier that Allah is most merciful and kind (Rahmanir Rahim) only to the Muslims. But for the non-Muslim kafirs, Allah is cruel beast and a barbaric killer. And most importantly, Allah is not at all the God or Lord of this creation and Dr Naik is striving hard to dignify Allah and to establish him as the God by discovering his name in the Vedas. His efforts are nothing but finding a pedigree for Allah.
    
    WAKE UP!
  - Indian Agnostic November 5, 2010 At 4:33 pm
    
    @saa
    
    and here’s the piece on Muhammad in the vedas by Dr. Radhasyam Brahmachari
    
    Whosoever has tried to go through a biography of the Prophet Muhammad authored by a Muslim, has noticed that the toughest task these authors face is to explain the Prophet’s marriages. If they take ten pages to narrate his marriages, they use more than hundred pages to justify those marriages. Why the Prophet took so many wives at his declining age? These authors don’t have any plausible reply to this question. The first and foremost duty of these authors is to rule out that sensuality of the Prophet had any role to play in his marriages. The best explanation they furnish is that the Prophet was so kind hearted that he married widows to provide food and shelter for them. In support of their argument they provide evidence that most of his wives were widows. Very nice, the Prophet played a saviour for the widows. But difficulty arises to explain his marrying Zeinab, the wife his adopted son Zeid, with the above argument as she was not a widow and as the incident exposes the indomitable sensuality of the Prophet (which Allah endorsed by revealing the verse (33:37) of the Holy Qur’an). Similar difficulty arises in explaining his marrying Rihana as well as Safia.
    
    The explanations they import to explain these marriages may however be acceptable to the blockheads called believers, but horribly unacceptable for the civilized world. But the hardest task these authors face is to explain his marrying Ayesha at the age of 52, while Ayesha was a child of 6. Syed Amir Ali is an Indian author renowned for his book Spirit of Islam. In that book Mr Amir Ali says that the only intention that motivated the Prophet to marry Ayesha was to cement his friendship with Abu-bakr. Perhaps it is known to all that Muhammad and Abu-bakr underwent an understanding that Muhammad would give his daughter Fatima to Abu-bakr in marriage and Abu-bakr would give his daughter Ayesha to Muhammad. This kind of marriage, called Shighar Marriage, is still in vogue in Muslim society and the reader may recall that Osama bin-Laden married the daughter of Omar, the second man of Al Kaida, and Omar married the daughter of Osama. However, according to the said understanding, Muhammad married Ayesha in the first Hijra at the Abu-bakr’s house in Medina, But Muhammad delayed to perform his part of the agreement. After waiting for months, when Abu-bakr inquired about the delay, the Prophet replied that he was waiting for a command from Allah in the matter and that command never came. So, had Muhammad married Ayesha for cementing his relation with Abu-bakr, as mentioned by Mr Amir Ali, Muhammad must have given Fatima to Abu-bakr for a better cementing. Hence the argument furnished by Amir Ali does not seem to be tenable.
    
    A Bengali author, M Abdur Rahman, has tried to explain it completely from a different angle. He asserts that, Muhammad married Ayesha to dispose off a great social responsibility. At that time, there was an urgent need to educate the Muslim women of Arabia about the extremely delicate sexual matters. But he being a male, was not fit to teach such lessons to the women. So he married Ayesha to be used as a vehicle to educate the women in sexual matters. Nice, but why he had chosen a tender girl like Ayesha? To explain this point, Mr Abdur Rahman says that a tender mind is most suitable for receiving education and that was the reason for marrying Ayesha. But it is really surprising that neither Amir Ali nor Abdur Rahman has furnished the most convincing argument, i.e. the will of Allah. Allah sent his divine sanction to Muhammad for marrying Ayesha in the form of dreams. For three consecutive nights the angel Zibrail (Gabriel of the Bible) showed a picture of Ayesha to the Prophet and said, “This is your wife.” For the first two nights, the Prophet could not recognize whose picture it was. But in the third night the he could recognize beyond doubt that it was a picture of Ayesha. So he had no other option but to comply with Allah’s divine instruction as soon as possible.
    
    It should be noted here that whatever might be their arguments, reasoning and explanations, these authors must have to reach only one conclusion that, Muhammad was the greatest man on earth. If the conclusion deviates even by an inch, their life would be at stake. These authors also face difficulty in explaining some other deeds of the Prophet like massacring the Beni Koreiza at Madina, massacring the Beni Najir at Kheibar, shedding of blood in the holy month of Rajab at Nakhla and so on. It is obvious that it is really a hard task for these authors to explain so many blots and project him as the greatest and a flawless man on earth. It is needless to say that the task becomes much easier if it can be shown that there are foretelling of Muhammad in established and recognized holy books of other faiths like the Bible, Zend-Avesta, and, most importantly, the Sanskrit texts of the Hindus.
    
    The Rig-Veda is globally recognized and accepted as the oldest book created by man and hence if it could be shown that there is mentioning of Muhammad in that text, it will be immensely helpful to paint the Arabian Prophet as a divine personality. Not only that, it will be helpful to deceive the Hindus and convert them to Islam. So, it does not become difficult to understand what has inspired Dr Zakir Naik to discover mentioning of Muhammad in the Rig-Veda and in other Hindu texts. But as his investigation culminated into a failure, he had no other way but to apply stupid arguments to befool the kafirs.
    
    First of all, we should see what the Rig-Veda says about Muhammad. It should also be mentioned at the outset that two Sanskrit words śaṃsata and narāśaṃsa play the central role in Dr Naik’s arguments. According to him, the word śaṃsata stands for an individual who praises. In Arabic, such an individual is called Ahammad, the other name Prophet Muhammad. Therefore wherever he could have found the word śaṃsata, he took it as the mentioning of their Prophet. According to Zakir Naik, the second word narāśaṃsa means an individual who is to be praised or who is praiseworthy. The Arabic word Muhammad means a man who is praiseworthy. So, wherever he could have found the word narāśaṃsa, he took it to be a mentioning of Muhammad. It should be mentioned here that, where such silly arguments may lead one to. Every English dictionary contains the word praiseworthy, and, according to Zakir Naike, every English dictionary mentions the name of Muhammad. More seriously, such foolish arguments may lead one to an extremely ridiculous– goats have beard and Mr X has beard, and hence Mr X is a goat – like conclusion.
    
    In fact, both the Sanskrit words śaṃsata and narāśaṃsa stand for a deity or God, who is praiseworthy. According to Sāyana, the most reputed commentator of the Vedas, the word narāśaṃsa means a deity or a respectable entity (not a man) that deserves to be praised by man.
    
    However, we should have a closer look to see what Zakir Naik has to say. According to Zakir Naik, the verses (1/13/3), (1/18/9), (1/106/4), (1/142/3), (2/3/2), (5/5/2), (7/2/2), (10/64/3) and (10/182/2) of the Rig-Veda contain the word narāśaṃsa and hence mention Muhammad and the verse (8/1/1) of the Rig-Veda contains the word śaṃsata (Ahmmad), or the other name of Muhammad. In my earlier submission “Allah in the Vedas: The Treachery of Dr Zakir Naike, I have shown what kinds of dark lies Dr Naik can propagate. Here also he begins with another blatant lie and says that the word śaṃsata stands for a man who praises, the Arabic equivalent of Ahammad and hence mentions Muhammad. The said verse (8/1/1) of the Rig-Veda reads:
    
    Mā cidanyadvi śaṃsata sakhāyo
    mā riṣṇyata l
    
    Indramitstot ā vṛṣaṇaṃ sacā sute
    muhurukthā ca śaṃsata ll (8/1/1)
    
    – Glorify naught besides, O friends; so shall no sorrow trouble you. Praise only mighty Indra when the juice is shed, and say your lauds repeatedly. (Translation: R T H Griffith; The Hymns of the Ṛgveda, Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, Delhi; 1995, p-388). So the word śaṃsata (praiseworthy) in the above verse refers to deity Indra, and not a man who praises (Ahammad) as claimed by Dr Zakir Naike.
    
    We shall now see what the verses containing the word narāśaṃsa say. In Rig-veda, a verse is refered as (x/y/z), where x stands for Mandala, y stands for Sukta and z stands for the Verse or Ṛk The verse (1/13/3) of Rig-Veda, as mentioned above, belongs to 13th Sukta of the 1st Mandala. It should also be noted here that every Sukta of the Rig-veda is dedicated to a deity. The presiding deity of the 13th Sukta of the 1st Mandala is Agni (the God of Fire). The verse says:
    
    Narāśaṃsamiha priyamasminajña upahvaye l
    
    Madhujihvat haviṣkṛtam ll (1/13/3)
    
    – Dear Narāśaṃsa, sweet of toungue, the giver of oblations, I invoke to this our sacrifice (tr: ibid, p-7). As Agni is the deity of the entire 13th Sukta, there is no doubt that the word narāśaṃsa (praiseworthy to man) in the verse refers to Agni. One should also note that the word narāśaṃsa does signify a man who is praiseworthy, as claimed by Dr Zakir Naik.
    
    The verse (1/18/9) of the Rig-Veda says:
    
    Narāśaṃsaṃ sudhṛṣṭamamapaśyam
    saprathastam l
    
    Divo na sadmakhasam ll (1/18/9)
    
    – I have seen Narāśaṃsa , him most resolute, most widely famed, as ‘twere the Household Priest of heaven (tr: ibid, p-11). The 18th Sukta, to which the verse belongs, is dedicated to Brahmaṇaspati, the Priest of heaven and hence the word narāśaṃsa (praiseworthy to man) in this verse refers to Brahmaṇaspati, the Priest of heaven.
    
    The verse (1/106/4) of the Rig-Veda says:
    
    Narāśaṃsaṃ vajinṃ vajayinniha
    kṣayadvīraṃ pūṣaṇaṃ summairī mahe l
    
    Rathaṃ na durgādvasava sudānavo
    viśvasmānno ahaṃso niṣpipartana ll (1/106/4)
    
    – To mighty Narāśaṃsa, strengthening his might, to Pūṣaṇa , ruler over men, we pray with hymns. Even as a chariot from a difficult ravine, bountiful Vasus, rescue us from all distress (tr: ibid, p-69). The 106th Sukta of 1st Mandala, to which the verse belongs, is dedicated to Viśvadevas, and hence the word narāśaṃsa (praiseworthy to man) in this verse refers to Viśvadevas.
    
    The verse (1/142/3) of the Rig-Veda says:
    
    śuci pāvako adbhuto madhvā
    yajñaṃ mimikṣati l
    
    Narāśaṃsasthrirā divo devo
    deveṣu yajñiyaḥ ll (1/142/3)
    
    -He wondrous, sanctifying, bright, sprinkles the sacrifice with mead, thrice, Narāśaṃsa from the heavens, a God mid Gods adorable (tr: ibid, p-98). The 142nd Sukta, to which the versae belongs, is dedicated to to deity Āprī, and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Āprī. Most of the scholars agree that Āprī is the other name of Agni and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Agni, the god of fire.
    
    The verse (2/3/2) of the Rig-Veda says:
    
    Narāśaṃsaḥ prati dhāmānyañjan tisro div prati mahṇā svarciḥ l
    
    Ghṛtapruṣā manasā havyamundanmūrdhanyajñasya sanamaktu devān ll (2/3/2)
    
    – May Narāśaṃsa lighting up the chambers, bright in his majesty through threefold heaven, steeping the gift with oil diffusing purpose, bedew the Gods at chiefest time of worship (tr: ibid, p- 132). Like the earler one, 142nd Sukta of 1st Mandal, this present 3rd Sukta of 2nd Mandala, is dedicated to the deity Āprī or Agni and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Agni the the Fire God.
    
    The Verse (5/5/2) of Rig-Veda says:
    
    Narāśaṃsaḥ suṣūdatīmṃ yajñamadābhyaḥ l
    Kavirhi madhūhastāḥ ll (5/5/2)
    
    – He, Narāśaṃsa, ne’er beguiled, inspiriteth this sacrifice; for sage is he, with sweets in hand (tr: ibid, p- 240). This 5th Sukta of 5th Mandala is also dedicated to Āprī or Agni and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Agni the Fire God.
    
    The verse (7/2/2) of Rig-Veda says:
    
    Narāśaṃsasya mahimānameṣamupa
    stoṣāma yajatasya yajñaiḥ l
    
    Ye sukratavaḥ śucayo dhiyandhāḥ
    svadanti devā ubhayāni havyā ll (7/2/2)
    
    – With sacrifice to these we men will honour the majesty of holy Narāśaṃsa – to these the pure, most wisw, the thought-inspires, Gods who enjoy both sorts of our oblations (tr: ibid, p- 334). Again this 2nd Sukta of 7th Mandala is dedicated to Āprī or Agni, and hence the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Agni the Fire God.
    
    The verse (10/64/3) of the Rig-Veda says:
    
    Narā vā śaṃsaṃ pūṣṇamagohyamagni
    deveddhamabhyarcase girā l
    
    Sūryāmāsā candramasā yamaṃ divi
    tritaṃ vātamuṣasamaktumaśvinā ll (10/64/3)
    
    – To Narāśaṃsa and Pūṣaṇ I sing forth, uncocealable Agni kindled by the Gods. To Sun and Moon, two Moons, to Yama in the heaven, to Trita, Vāta, Dawn, Night and A śvins Twain (tr: ibid, p- 578). This 64th Sukta of 10th Mandala is dedicated to Viśvadevas, and the word narāśaṃsa in this verse refers to Viśvadevas.
  - roger November 5, 2010 At 5:50 pm
    
    Nice share.
  - roger November 5, 2010 At 5:51 pm
    
    nice tight slap on saa’s face.
  - Satyen November 27, 2010 At 5:39 am
    
    Respected Agnostic jee and Agniveer jee,
    
    Excellent write ups. Please see the following link a must see in this regard and could be included at appropriate places. A whole description of Kalki avtar is given in unambiguous words which makes it very clear that Zakir Bhai is either totally ignorant or is a great lier in this case at least.
    
    http://www.stephen-knapp.com/kalki_the_next_avatar_of_God.htm
Anyone October 22, 2010 At 7:14 pm

http://islam-is-easy.blogspot.com/2010/10/islam-and-theory-of-karma.html

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sumaiya November 30, 2010 At 7:19 pm

dear mr agniveer, dr.zakir doesnt consider bhavishya purana to be authentic. Since it is hindus who consider it authentic , he quotes thier scriptures.

i really think u dont know much about quran.talking about eating meat , pls c his debate-is non veg permitted or prohibited for human beings.

u also spoke very ignorantly abt prophet muhammed(pbuh), so pls read the ahadeeth or c dr zakir’s videos instd of wasting time writing nonsense. little knowledge is dangerous!
if islam is so false then why r pple like MJ, cat stevens accepting islam?

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- Agniveer November 30, 2010 At 9:40 pm
  
  1. If ZN does not consider any book authentic, why quote it? Which Hindu studies Bhavishya Puran? How many Hindus have even heard of it? Clearly Zakir is indulging in fraud. Moreover as explained, even if Hindus consider BP to be authentic, it only portrays Muhammad as a demon. Why is ZN trying to insult Muhammad to claim prophetdom for himself? Actually he just copied from Qadiyani sources without giving reference to original author. This is called plagiarism and is theft of intellectual property. As per Shariat, Zakir himself says that punishment of theft is cutting of hands.
  
  2. Zakir has little intellectual capabilities. He is only a parrot. We all have seen his debates and laugh a lot on that. Only poorly educated among Muslims appreciate him. Ask Zakir to give an aptitude test and results would be clear.
  
  3. All we have provided in all our articles are direct references from Sahih Hadiths and translations of Quran as published by Islamic publications recognized among Muslim scholars. So if you consider all this to be nonsense, you are actually supporting our own standpoint – that these publications are nonsense.
  
  4. On Muhammad, we have very clearly stated our stand. We consider him a good person but demonized by a fake Quran and stupid Hadiths attributed falsely to his name.
  
  5. MJ never accepted Islam. That was a false story propagated by fraud Dawah agents. Check the latest details on the hoax. What was education and intellectual capability of Cat Stevens? If Islam is so true, why people like Ali Sina quit islam despite greatest threats to life? Many others: Taslima Nasreen, Anwar Sheikh, Ibn Waraq, etc.
  
  Tell me great contributions of Muslims in last 50 years to world in science, technology, intellect etc?
  
  Watch this from a Muslim himself – greatest intellectual from Pakistan: He states that Muslims are weak in Maths and intelligence, and contributed absolutely zero to world. Because their ruling elite kept them Jaahil.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNMP-1kmVNc
  
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miracles quran January 17, 2011 At 2:26 am

article proves agniveer you are true hypocrite one side u say prophet Muhammad(pbuh) a misunderstood genius and this article you give him names.

http://agniveer.com/762/muhammad/

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- Vik January 17, 2011 At 3:28 am
  
  @miracle quran
  
  looks like you appear to be weak in reading english. Agniveer claimed that AS PER BHAVISYA PURAN, mohammad is a ghost, demon, and a mass murderer. BUT, Bhavishya Puran is not an authentic book, so thats why we do not go by it, and you should be thankful for that, otherwise all hindus would thrash your prophet’s image daily. But in reality, we believed mohammad to be a genious. But if we look at mohammad as per Bhavishya Puran, Quran, and Hadiths, which portray him as a rapist, terrorist, ghost, and looter, then we condemn him.
  
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  - Vajra January 17, 2011 At 4:49 am
    
    Well said Brother Vik!
  - Vik January 17, 2011 At 6:28 am
    
    Thanks Brother Vajra, all we have to do is speak the truth, and everything else gets resolved.
Sameer February 24, 2011 At 3:19 pm

@WellWisher caught your lies Friday prayers are clearly mentioned in Koran and Sahih Hadiths and Prophet Mohammad himself said Friday prayers are special prayers see below verse:

O ye who believe! When the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic): That is best for you if ye but knew!
And when the Prayer is finished, then may ye disperse through the land, and seek of the Bounty of Allah: and celebrate the Praises of Allah often (and without stint): that ye may prosper.
—Qur’an, sura 62 (Al-Jumua), ayat 9-10[1]

The Prophet said, “On every Friday the angels take their stand at every gate of the mosques to write the names of the people chronologically (i.e. according to the time of their arrival for the Friday prayer) and when the Imam sits (on the pulpit) they fold up their scrolls and get ready to listen to the sermon.”

—Collected by Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[

The stories mentioned in Torah and Bible are also mentioned in Koran like the story of Moses, Jesus etc (JESUS IS FICTIONAL CHARACTER) which were stolen Pagan scriptures and Mythologies see below ARTICLE OF ROBIN WOODSONG

http://www.liberatedthinking.com/data/Info/christ/pagroot.html

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Sameer February 24, 2011 At 3:42 pm

@Wellwisher The BIGGEST LIE MUSLIM TELL is there is no caste system in their religion and PERVERT PSEUDO HISTORIAN ROMILA THAPAR’S also lied that Islamic Invasion also helped in mellowing down the effects of caste system Infact it become strong after Islamic Invasion. Ashraf muslims consider themselves superior to lower caste Ajlaf Muslims and Arzal Muslims are considered untouchables. Pakistan is more casteist than India that is proven by infamous Mukhtaran Mai gang rape case by upper caste muslims and many other cases like this. Salman Taseer killing has also casteist touches because Mullahs cannot digest a man from business community challenge the power of clergy . In Pakistan untoucability is practiced even in urban areas the shias, ahmediyas, Hindus are considered untouchables and Sunni Muslims do not share their food with them.

THE BIGGEST SIDE EFFECT OF SHARIA LAW IS THAT IT CREATES VERY RIGID CASTE SYSTEM MULLAHS BECAME VERY POWERFUL AND NOBODY CAN QUESTION THEM SO ANY MUSLIM WHO THINKS THERE IS NO CASTE SYSTEM IN ISLAM IS LIVING IN FOOL’S PARADISE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims

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- Sameer February 24, 2011 At 5:53 pm
  
  @WELL WISHER LIAR you said there is no mention of Friday Prayers in Koran but I proved that there is Special Mention of Friday Prayers in Koran this is the way how you debate by using lies. Your claim of being a Hindu also must be lie. See what Islam has made you —- a liar. You said Muslims, Christians, and Jews have gone astray from their original Religion so then why are you blaming Hindus when they have gone astray from their True Vedic Religion.
  
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KalBhairav February 24, 2011 At 3:47 pm

@HARM WISHER

You were unable to withstand 2 questions. You also continue to type in CAPITALS and you cannot engage me that way. I clarified this earlier.

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dewadewi March 23, 2011 At 10:13 am

there will be nothing exist but the truth. so not even religion will stand in the end

“satya evam jayatne” “ana al haqq”

religion is a mean to preserve goodness and rigtheousness (sanata dharma / akhlakul kharimah) for thoose who believe in the truth. and it’s flexible according to the evolution and or condition of people/culture in which the message is intended for

its culture that give them derivatif form and differentation but can’t you see in the essence every religion speak’s one truth?
(om tat sat, evam ekam adityam brahman | ashaduanla ila ha ila lah, waashadu anna muhammad da rosulluloh)

(tat tvam asi (atman n brahman is the same) in hindus are the same what muslim simbolically do when they sat on the last tahiyat (shalat) with speaking syahadat (allah and muhammad is the same)

(AUM = ALM)

can’t you see the om writen in sankscript is very close derivatif of muhammad writen in arabic

and theres plenty of more that what islam teach have similiar on what vedic teach

it is culture and personalification that gave us pride and exclusivism and forget the same message
on diffrent form and also there are thoose who intentionaly blurs the message by false writing and or translation for their own purpose, but never the less it is truth that will victorious

may the truth blessed upon us.
btw sorry 4 my english

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sweety khan April 13, 2011 At 7:25 pm

my humble request to ppl commenting over here… pls dont quote someone to be liar or abuse them … before knowing the actual truth……… first do complete research then give ur comments… nd dat reasearch needs to be impartial…..

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- Vajra April 13, 2011 At 8:11 pm
  
  Namaste sweety
  
  What about the article? What is Zakir Naik doing, complete research?
  
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shabeer June 1, 2011 At 2:12 pm

WHERE IS MY POST AGNI VEER?

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- Agniveer June 1, 2011 At 2:19 pm
  
  Namaste,
  Refer http://agniveer.com/3309/women-in-hinduism/#comment-12410
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ds July 16, 2011 At 12:47 pm

What a double standard?

When Muhammad speaks @ Quran, he is suffering epilepsy, but when Rishis speak @ Vedas he is normal.

When Rishis pass messages of Vedas to Brahma & world they are not called messengers or so called prophet,
When Muhammad pass messages about Quran he is called prophet.

When you take milk from cow without their acknowledge or approval, is called justice, but when
people eat the meat you call injustice.

When you wear leather belts or some material made of animal skins you call it justice, but when
muslims deny to use it you call them hypocrite.

when a person burnt in crematorium which creates pollution you call it justice, when
muslims bury it you call it human remains pollution.

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- KalBhairav July 16, 2011 At 1:35 pm
  
  @ds:
  
  I will address one of your comments:
  
  When Muhammad speaks @ Quran, he is suffering epilepsy, but when Rishis speak @ Vedas he is normal.
  
  Muhammad’s Quran (actually it was compiled after his death…so, it is the compilers’ Quran) has hatespeech against non-believers. Only someone steeped in hatred suffering delusions can come up with something as brutal as the Quran. If the Quran had said that every child born on Thursday ought to be immediately put to death would you then acknowledge that old Mo suffered epilepsy?
  
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Aryan August 1, 2011 At 6:44 am

This Zakir is a Fool and and an Idiot and a Hypocrite. Firstly when Bhavishya Purana has Mohammed he goes about saying proudly that Mohammed and Islam is mentioned in Hindu books however when we point out that Mohammed is shown as a Ghost in BP he says BP is not authentic..such a HYPOCRYTE

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Asrar August 29, 2011 At 6:44 pm

DearAgniveer,
I have been watching your site from few months as i am married to Hidu girl ,she brought my attention to this site.I saw bizzare instead of spreading message of tuthfullness and peace you are just spreading misconceptions about Islam,desist from that
If you are ethically right person ,i dont have problem with your comments about ISlama Bla Bla bla, But i doubt your honest soul because saw you misquioing quran and piblically abusing Islam.We have been taught in quran dont disrespect any religion otherwise you will be punished i think yours will be otherwise case.but i know that is not true.Come let us have debate on Islam and Hindusim whichs is true religion without abusing and insulting each other.I promise i will convert to hinduism if there will be on verse ethicaly wrong in Quran. I can tell you so many errors in all of your sacred books.
the person who will loose the battel here will have to conver. Is it done.
Take care i am waitting

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- KalBhairav August 29, 2011 At 6:55 pm
  
  @Asrar:
  
  you misquioing quran and piblically abusing Islam.
  
  Isnt Quran a public document? Doesnt it contain some of the vilest verses about the future for non-Muslims? If you want a realistic debate, then please tell us which verses of the Quran are no longer relevant, which are historical and which are true for all of humankind for all times to come.
  
  If there is something WRONG that is being mentioned here, correct the mistake in our interpretation of Islam/Quran. We dont have to formally AGREE to debate you. The debate is already started. Instead of prefacing your arguments with a general introduction get to the point already about where Hinduism is wrong and where Islam is right.
  
  I will take care.
  
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- Agniveer August 29, 2011 At 7:24 pm
  
  Namaste
  
  1. Kindly show one evidence from the site where we have abused any religion or its models? Difference in opinion based on facts does not amount to showing disrespect. We don’t want to convert anyone to any religion except religion of honesty of intention.
  
  2. Whatever quotes we have given are from established translations of Quran. We never abuse original Quran, but do question these translations in the era of science and reason.
  
  3. Feel free to debate with visitors to the site. We respect freedom of speech. However to discuss with Agniveer scholars, kindly review http://agniveer.com/terms/eligibility-rules-for-debate/ and submit your application.
  
  4. By the way, is your wife still a Hindu after marriage? If yes, we have great respect from your belief in tolerance and respect for all human beings. But then your Nikaah is invalid as per mullahs like Zakir Naik. If not, then I have nothing to comment.
  
  5. The comments that we have made on interpretations of Quran have also been made by people like Sir Syed Ahmad, Ghulam Jelani et al. Have you read Dual Islam by Dr Jelani and Quran translation by Sir Syed? Sir Syed was given a fatwa of death by the same set of fanatic Mullahs whose legacy modern fanatics like Zakir Naik represent.
  
  Anyways, our brotherly advise would be to explore more, keep minds open, be accepting of counter-views without feeling of hatred and pray that even all so-called non-believers should rightly go to Heaven regardless of their religious beliefs. That would be true Islam as per root meaning of the word which existed even centuries before the first Quran was written 20 years after murder of the great Muhammad by his own followers.
  
  I leave it to visitors to peacefully discuss this further and spread better understanding and tolerance among each other.
  
  Blessings
  Admin
  PS: I met a very gentle devout Bohra Muslim who is a great person but believes that Ali was the greatest person born ever and that non-Muslims can also achieve Heaven. Another friend of mine is an Ismaili who does not keep Rozas and believes in rebirth. Both of them openly criticize typical Wahabi interpretations of Quran as propagated by Zakir etc. Am not sure whether such people are Muslims in first place as per Zakir! And if not, why not consider Agniveer as yet another Muslim sect who believes in original Quran or Vedas? Enjoy the Eid with all humans of the world by accepting goodness in sacred books like Vedas and rejecting those interpretations of Quran that differentiate between believers and non-believers. Ameen!
  
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- Vajra August 29, 2011 At 7:52 pm
  
  Namaste Israr
  
  ———-I promise i will convert to hinduism if there will be on verse ethicaly wrong in Quran.———
  
  Do you agree with the Islamic punishment of death for apostasy? If yes, you lied that you will convert. And if you dont agree with this Islamic law, you have already changed your Islamic stand and in that case you are not Muslim.
  
  Waiting for your reply!
  
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- raj.hyd August 29, 2011 At 10:13 pm
  
  paadarniy shri ,asarar ji , kya aap batla sakenge ki quran me ek bhi koi maulik [buniyadi] sachhai kya hai ? beshak quran me anek sachhaiya hai lekin vah pahale ayi kitabo ki “jhuthan ” matr hai ! quran me kaha gaya ki [dekhye quran38 /75] jisme khud allah ji kahrahe hai ki hamne apne “dono hatho ” se adam ji ko banaya ! quran me anek jagah yah bhi kaha gaya hai ki allah ji ek aise singhasan par baithe huye hai , jisko 8 farishte usko uthaye huye hai !, 8 farishte “simit ” hai , singhasan bhi simit hai tab us par baithne vala simit kyo nahi hoga ? jo simitho vah sarvshaktman kaise ho sakta hai > aisi anek quran ayte paraspar virodhi bhi hai ! muhammad ji ne bagair nikah ke anek mahilao se sex sambandh kiye ? sath apne mane huye bete zaid ki patni ji [zainab ji] se bhi bagair nikah ke sex kiya ! 50 sal ki umr me bhi anek patniya hote huye bhi matr 6-7 sal ki kanya [aysha ji ] jo poti saman thi , usse nikah kiya ? ham aap se puchna chhenge ki yah “dushit mansikta” muhammad ji ne kyo banai ? aaj bhi ashikane rasool hone ka dam bharne vale muslim bhi muhammad ji ke in karnamo ko nahi duharate hai ? jo bahut achha karte hai ? muhammad ji se jyada achhe to “is mudde “par aaj ke bahut se muslim bhi haai jo unka yah ganda acharan nahi karte hai ! abhi to hamne kuch hi prashn rakhe hai , asha karta hun ki aapuska javab jarur denge ! nahi to apko svat: islam ka tyag turant kar dena chahiye !
  
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Asrar August 29, 2011 At 10:12 pm

@all
First for your clearification read your sanscrit langauge well and debate with your Gurus Fisrt prominant one being aShankar Achariya, Shri SHri Ravi Shankar, Swami Agnesh then come to me
See what actually Bavisha Purana Has to Say ,but you guys are molesting your own sacred book and send wrong message to mankind
“”The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, “O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations.”

I strongly belive the way of Islamic punishment go and check google and other authentic statistical sources then see where is the lowest crime rate in the world Saudi Arabia (The only country in the world following the ways of Islamic punishment) “This time In india debate is going weather Kashmb shud be hanged or not i feel he must be, that will send signal to whole world we an bear it.otherwise everbody will feel no body can do…

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Asrar August 29, 2011 At 10:26 pm

@ agni Why my only half comment only , this is not fair. i had given justifcation and reasoining , and reply to all your doubts
I think this site is fake one just for spreading message of haterd and misconceptions and delima about Islam.
See my wife is Hindu Brahmin , i had some regard for Hindu dharma but you people here are molesting image all over. I think i should restrain my self to visit this site now

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- Vajra August 29, 2011 At 10:56 pm
  
  @Asrar
  
  Before you run away from here and restrain yourself from visiting this site, you must know that there is a comment policy http://agniveer.com/terms/comment-policy/ according to which the comment should not exceed 2000 characters and if it does, it gets chopped. It is same for everyone.
  
  ———-read your sanscrit langauge well and debate with your Gurus Fisrt prominant one being aShankar Achariya, Shri SHri Ravi Shankar, Swami Agnesh then come to me———–
  
  who are you and why should we come to you after debating these people?
  
  ———–See what actually Bavisha Purana Has to Say————
  
  What bhavishya puran says has been discussed in article, read it.
  
  ———-I strongly belive the way of Islamic punishment——–
  
  So you believe in death penalty for apostasy? Yes/No.
  
  If yes, then you lied that you will convert to Hinduism. If no then you are not Muslim 🙁
  
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Dhamma September 14, 2011 At 2:31 am

Namaste,
See my article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sukta_of_Atharvaveda_cited_in_Shabda-Kalpadrum
about Allopanishad. I have no comment about Bhavishya Purana because i have not researched it yet.
Salam.

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raj.hyd October 15, 2011 At 9:52 pm

परम पूज्य श्री इरफ़ान जी , कुरान हो बाइबिल आदि यह सब कैसे ईश्वर की किताब हो गई ? ईश्वर क्या है?किसको ईश्वर कहा जाये ? जरा यह भी तो समझिये ! किसी भी बात का अन्धानुकरण म़त कीजिये ! ईश्वर एक शक्ति का नाम है ! वह कैसे किसी फ़रिश्ते के माध्यम से कुरान की आयते भेज सकती है ? क्या किसी शक्ति के पास फ़रिश्ते आदि हो सकते है ? जब फ़रिश्ते ही नहीं होते, तब भेजे गा कैसे ? जब इश्वर सब जगह व्याप्त है ! तब भेजना , या लेना , देना कैसे हो सकता है ? क्या कभी हवा कोई चीज किसी के पास भेजती है ? या कोई आपको दर्द बुखार आदि भेजता है ? यह तो अंदर से आता है ऐसे ही कोई भी ज्ञान हो वह अन्दर ही पनपता है देख कर के , सुन करके ,चख करके ,छू करके , सूंघ करके और सोच करके ! फिर कुरान कैसे आई ? क्या ईश्वर फ़रिश्ते का मोहताज था जो उसकी सहायता ली ? जव ईश्वर सारा संसार बनाने में किसी की सहायता नहीं लेता तबसंसार के मुकाबले में एक छोटी सी कुरान वह भी २३ साल में जिसको देना हो उसके लिए फरिश्तो की सहायता लेनी पड़े ? क्या उस ईश्वर की तौहीन नहीं है ? यह कुरान तो ईश्वर की बहुत बड़ी बेइज्जती करवाती है ! जब आपके- हमारे मष्तिष्क में अच्छे बुरे विचार आ सकते है तब किसी कुरान को “भेजने ” की बात कहना ईश्वर के साथ बहुत बड़ा मजाक उडाना है ! जरा सोचिये , फिर हमको जवाब भी दीजिएगा !संभव है की आपको हमारे विचारो से परेशानी हुई हो , क्योकि सभी लोगइस मामले में अपने पारिवारिक ढंग से विचार करते है उसके आगे सोच ही नहीं पाते ,बाक़ी जगह अपनी बुद्धि अवश्य लगाया करते है ! यह मनुष्य का बहुत बड़ा दुर्भाग्य है ! अगर आपको हमसे कोई तकलीफ हुई हो तो हम आपसे असंख्यबार क्षमा चाहेंगे , फिर भी हमारा उद्देश्य अपनी बात रखना अवश्य है ! आपका कोटिश: धन्यवाद !

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- Truth Seeker October 16, 2011 At 2:36 pm
  
  @राज जी
  बहुत अच्छा उत्तर दिया है आपने! ऐसा लगता है शैतान अल्लाह से जयादा ताकत रखता है ! शैतान बिना किसी फरिस्ते की सहायता के आदमी को गुमराह कर सकता है और उसके मन में गलत विचार ला सकता है! परन्तु अल्लाह को अपना संदेश देने के लिए फरिस्तो की जरुरत पड़ती है!लेकिन एक प्रशन उठता है की शैतान लोगो को गुमराह करता है इसलिए वो शैतान है, परन्तु शैतान को किसने गुमराह किया की वो शैतान बना? क्या अल्लाह ने ?
  
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  - raj.hyd October 16, 2011 At 9:04 pm
    
    परम आदरणीय श्री ट्रूथ सीकर जी , आपको हमारा जवाब पसंद आया, उसकेलिए कोटिश: धन्यवाद !तथा कथित अल्लाह जी ने ही तो परम आदरणीय श्री इब्लीस जी [जिसको शैतान कहा जाता है ] को पैदा भी किया है ,जब शैतान की तासीर[गुण] ऐसी है तब अल्लाह की तासीर भी तो वैसी ही होगी ! जैसे गेंहू के रवे के हलुए में गेंहू Aका स्वाद भी आता है , और चने के रवे के हलुए में चने का का स्वाद आता है ! आप यह भी ध्यानं दीजिये जो हमसे मुस्लिम बहस करते है वह बहुत जल्दी इस मंच को छोड़ कर भाग जाते है, ऐसा हमने महसूस किया है !
Rakesh November 24, 2011 At 12:40 pm

Hi Agniveer,
I have one small question about islam.If allah know about past,present and future.If there is only one birth and there is no rebirth then how allah already decided who will go in jannat and jahhanum and on which basis.
Exp-
Suppose,I have two brother,one is gentleman and other is just opposite and allah already know that second one will go in jahhanum because allah already decided in one birth that who will in jannat and who will in jahhnumm otherwise everyone will go in jannat/jahhnumm because we can not change and how we can change,allah know and already decided 20..30% will jannat and 80..70% in jahhnumm. Before quran,everyone was kafir beacuse If I don’ know about quran then how i will fallow it, means everyone will go in jahannum.
Exp-Before AIDS patient and Dr. research,nobody know that If I will use condom then I will safe from AIDS.Before Dr. analysis if anyone will do Sex with AIDS patient then will get AIDS.
Now I have another question
Before joined quran I was a kafir/non muslim.I done sex with some person and got AIDS but I am uneducated person and don’t know about AIDS and others thing,I only know about quran and joined it. Now I am muslim and not a kafir.I got married and first wife died with AIDS and again I married and I killed 6 wifes by AIDS.As I fallow quran and non kafir then I will get jannat or not.

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- Aatish November 24, 2011 At 12:55 pm
  
  Hello Rakesh
  
  Lets wait for some Islamic genius to reply.
  
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Hyder December 1, 2011 At 11:11 am

From the Kurma Purana: In the Pine Forest , Shiva seduces the wives of the sages, so the sages curse him for this immoral behavior:
“When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, ‘Tear out your linga.’ The great yogi said to them, ‘I will do it, if you hate my linga’, and he tore it out and vanished.” — Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41; cf. Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a. 14. [O’Flaherty, Wendy D. Siva: The Erotic Ascetic. Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. p.132].

From the Bhavisya Purana — In another version, Shiva (and the other two deities of the Trimurti) rape the sage Atri’s wife and are punished:

“One day when the sage Atri was performing asceticism with his wife Anasuya, Brahma, Visnu and Siva came to him and offered him a boon. When Atri continued to meditate, the three gods went to Anasuya; Siva had his linga in his hand, Vishnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma, beside himself with desire, said, ‘Make love to me or I will die.’ When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But the three gods were overcome by delusion, and they raped her by force. Then she became angry, and she cursed Siva to be worshipped as a linga, Brahma to be worshipped as a head, and Visnu to be worshipped as feet, in order to ridicule them all, and she cursed them all to be reborn as her sons. Because of this, Siva was born as Durvasas.” — Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78. [O’Flaherty, Wendy D. The Origins of Evil in Hindu Mythology.? Pub.: University of California Press. ISBN
0-520-04098-8. pp.302-303].

Incidentally, the behavior of Lord Shiva’s wife, the goddess Parvati, was not really any better than her husband’s behavior. In the Siva and Kalika Puranas, Parvati shamelessly walks out of the bedroom half-naked, revealing her breasts:

“When the gods interrupted Siva and Parvati, two sons were born of drops of Siva’s seed. These sons were then posted at the…

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- Akhila Padhi December 1, 2011 At 1:09 pm
  
  Copy paste activity again…
  
  Oh oh oh…
  Have you ever tried to read the story of Anusuya ??
  Here is the truth – (Although I dont believe on these stories, but there is nothing wrong in this story)
  
  Once Vishnu, brahma and Siva came to Anusuya. Rishi was outside that time. They asked Anushuya to feed them. Anusuya brought some cooked food. But they three refused, and asked to be breast feeded.
  
  Anushushya smiled at them and said, only babies of the age below 2yr are breast feeded. So you have to be my baby. Then by the grace of the power of Anushuya they became babies and stayed with her as her children.
  
  Come on, say where is it wrong ?
  Although, you may argue, how the Gods became kid etc.. But for you before saying so, do some research. and read all the articles of Agniveer first.
  
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  - Hyder December 1, 2011 At 1:35 pm
    
    @ Akhila Padhi ,
    
    So Shiva Tore Linga – As per you it is not wrong
    Shiva ask for Breast milk from a lady – As per you it is also not wrong
    Great Gods,Great Religion and Great Story !!!!
    Shame on you Guys…….
    
    Hyder
  - Nuclear December 1, 2011 At 2:55 pm
    
    @Hyder
    No, as per him, you’re an Idiot, a Semi-Literate. Who can’t even comprehend simple plain English and don’t have any other job than copy-paste. Go back to your madarssa, your filth is most suited there.
  - Hyder December 1, 2011 At 3:04 pm
    
    @ Nuclear ,
    
    If you don’t have answer why are you people screaming??. Try to answer the questions and thus prove yourself.
- SDC December 2, 2011 At 12:26 pm
  
  Now, Hyder, let me share with you my viewpoints on your copy-pasted material. Shiva was an ascetic who attained salvation through penances. He is not paramatman (universal consciousness). He committed a lot of mistakes during his lifetime as we all do and was punished for that one way or the other. Unlike in your faith where Allah who absolves every one of their crimes if they please him by singing hymns in his honor, in SD everyone is held accountable for his/her mistakes and has to pay the price for it. Nobody is let off the hook.
  
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Hyder December 1, 2011 At 11:39 am

“When the gods interrupted Siva and Parvati, two sons were born of drops of Siva’s seed. These sons were then posted at the door to prevent further interruptions while Siva made love to Parvati, having promised the gods that he would not spill his seed in her. One day Parvati came out of the bedroom in great dishabille, half naked, her breasts scored with teeth marks. The two sons chanced to see her like that, and they were upset, but Parvati became angry and said, ‘Why have you looked at me when I was not in a state to be seen by anyone but my husband? You should have closed your eyes. Since you have done this immoral thing, you will be reborn as mortal men with the faces of monkeys.’ Then they were miserable and protested that it was her fault for having come out so suddenly, and they cursed her to become a mortal queen (Taravati) and Siva to be her husband (Candrasekhara) so that they themselves might be born again as their sons, Vetala and Bhairava.”
— Siva Purana 3:21:1-8; Kalika Purana 49:1-92, 50:1-64, 51:1-60, 52:1-155, 53:1-217.? [O’Flaherty, Wendy D.? Siva: The Erotic Ascetic.? Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. pp.308-309].
what is the MORAL OF THE ABOVE STORIES FROM THE SAID SCRIPTURES?

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- Vinay Arya December 1, 2011 At 2:14 pm
  
  Purans are the imaginary stories.These should not be considered a s sacred texts.But “ankh ke andhe aur ganth ke pure” always believe only in these stories.
  
  Thank you!
  
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  - Hyder December 1, 2011 At 2:25 pm
    
    @Vinay Arya
    
    Since i show wrong in your religious books why cant you accept it !!!!
  - Vinay Arya December 1, 2011 At 4:03 pm
    
    Dear Hyder
    I do not accept Purans,Gita,Bible etc. The sacred texts in which I believe iareas follows in short:
    Four Vedas,Four Upavedas,Six darshans,Ramayan By Valmiki,Mahabharat by Vyas,only ten upanishadas, etc.
    If anything imaginary,against science is found even these scriptures,I would certainly reject them.
    Also,I do read the translation of Vedas by stupd,illiterate persons who are just as kids..I read the translation of Vedas by Maharshi Dayanand and his true followers.You should read the literature of Swami Dayanand and get acquanted with the true religion.Even if some unscientific is found in the books by Maharshi Dayanand and his true followers then I would certainly reject it.
    
    Also,I have different definition of religion.The definition is:
    Always accept the truth and decline the false.
    
    The word “religion” is not bound in the so-called scriptures because the truth can be completely different.
    I am not any Pauranic,quranic etc.I am not kttarpanthi.But whatever truth is there in the world’s any corner is my “religion”.
  - Vinay Arya December 1, 2011 At 4:09 pm
    
    I said that Purans cannot be the books of religion.Then why are you asking”Since i show wrong in your religious books why cant you accept it !!!!”?Just to play with me.No.No.No. I am not going to reply if you would agan say false.As I have already said that Purans cannot be the books of religion then why do you ask me I do not accept the truth
  - ritika January 3, 2012 At 3:36 am
    
    Dear Vinay ,
    I am a Hindu Girl by default , I have been reading ur Answers …though some time i think you are on a right path but another end u make me confuse,like u said ..(I do not accept Purans,Gita,Bible etc. The sacred texts in which I believe iareas follows in short:
    Four Vedas,Four Upavedas,Six darshans,Ramayan By Valmiki,Mahabharat by Vyas,only ten upanishadas, etc.and If anything imaginary,against science is found even these scriptures,I would certainly reject them.)jabki hamare sare scriptures imaginary he hai), cause these are written and sound like kiddish …..is that mean that there is some thing wrong written by all these great are stupids according to you …just because they have written truth and we have shame on our part ?…..and you follow Swami Dayanand or Maharishi dayanad ….because they have Elaborate words which sound good to you and have cover the truth ….well coming to the confusion ( how do u know that the person u r following is correct and y dont you agree to those who had written our vedas,purans, gita …are they all are foolish and you and Maharishi dayand is correct …….some wher up you have written Hindus are innocent and they agree very easily and people make fool to them, (which is very correct) …but you are also doing the same thing with all my Brothers and sisters …….Glati ko manna YAHI Hindu dharm hai …na k galat disha mai batkana …..
    well rest up to you if you could give me some point answers …..and plz dont play with words in that ….
    Regards
    Ritika
  - Vinay Arya January 5, 2012 At 6:33 am
    
    Dear Ritika
    Have you ever read the works of Maharshi Dayanand Saraswati?It loolk like you never read them.You should read his works.You are completely unaware of the world of Pakandis.Also,how can the imaginary stories of Puranas come true.I can know the person following is true because I use my intellect hddne in me.My intellect after too much hard work says that Maharshi Dayanand is right and others are Pakhandis.I am not destroying your brothers and sisters.Have you read this site even properly?I try to get the proof of what a man is saying.If there is not proof the man is considered to be false and if there is then he is true.Our past was not so much bad as written in Puranas etc.However the peiod from Muslims or from Biddha was tooo bad.Puranas are not early works but are recent.Please use your intellect to find out the truth.And Also read “SAtyarth Prakash” of Maharshi Dayanand.Develop your analytical intellectual skills. etc etc.
    I am not doing he same thing for your brothers and sisters..
  - admirerofsantandharma January 5, 2012 At 10:08 am
    
    About Maharishi Dayanand Saraswati , he was a great personality . No doubt in that . He was the one who introduced the Shuddhi Movement , as our Hindu Brahmins and community were reluctant to bring in the people back to our religion ( who those became christians can’t again become hindu again ) , thanks to Maharishi dayanand , who changed all of this .
    But again , He was one of the many intellectuals of the community .
    You have to believe in others as well .
    The idea is that :: Human Mind’s analytic / intellectual power is decreasing . Now a days people like us ( You , Me and althose who considers themselves ) will give the lamest excuse ( We don’t have time , Ah , its boring , oopsie , its too hard to understand etc )
    when it comes to doing research , Indians tries to flee away .
    
    Before giving your immature authority / opinions , just try to devote some time to read those scriptures .
    Also the publications of the Sanatan Dharma predates every single religion , there is absolutely no one who can deny this fact .
    
    A year ago , I used to blindly follow that every religion is equal , etc but when I heard about how Hindus were slaughtered since 1100 AD by Mohammed’s , Christians , recently the Temples were Bombed in NYC ( USA ) , Bengal , Rajasthan , Tamil Nadu . It changed everything .
    
    Get Real , Get Life .
  - VEDIC GOD IS GREAT January 5, 2012 At 6:05 pm
    
    विनय आर्य / पृथ्वी तथा अन्य सनातन धर्म के समर्थको,
    सादर प्रणाम ।
    
    कृप्या यह अंतर्जाल्यक्षेत्र देखे और अन्यो को दिखाए!
    http://in.news.yahoo.com/photos/afghanistan-s-child-bride-torture-1325743466-slideshow/
    इस्लाम प्रमुख देशो में वेश्याओ की माँग देखिए तथा अन्यो को दिखाए ! एक पन्द्रह वर्षीय बालिका की दुर्दशा यह सिद्ध करती है कि यदि ब्रह्माण्ड में कही शैतान है तो वह मात्र एक मुस्लिम ही हो सकता है।
  - Slim Shaikh January 5, 2012 At 6:51 pm
    
    @VEDIC GOD IS GREAT
    Islam gives Highest respect to women. Such small incident happens everywhere. Dont make issue over small things. Prophet (PBUH) taught us to give greatest regards to women. Prophet helped a lot of women who had lost their husband, brother in wars. Islam never allows killing of women while having wars with kaffirs or dis-believers. This news may be false to denigrate Islam.
- SDC December 2, 2011 At 12:33 pm
  
  I still fail to see the purported wrong in this story. Husband and wife sleeping together and engaging in love-making, and sons and mother cursing one another on account of a misunderstanding is wrong, and Muhammad legitimizing sexual slavery, polygamy, easy divorces, rapes, loot, murder, etc. is right. Now, the picture is clear to me: You have got an outrageously bigoted viewpoint there.
  
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  - hyder December 3, 2011 At 10:43 am
    
    @ SDC & Vinay Arya
    You may not find anything wrong in this because you are such a creature like shiva “When the sages saw Siva naked and excited they beat him and they said, ‘Tear out your linga.’ The great yogi said to them, ‘I will do it, if you hate my linga’, and he tore it out and vanished.” — Kurma Purana 2:38:39-41; cf. Haracaritacintamani 10:74; Yagisvaramahatmya 26a. 14. [O’Flaherty, Wendy D. Siva: The Erotic Ascetic. Pub.: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-520250-3. p.132]. Your role model is shiva.I saw many rishies who make shiva role model.They always half naked.Come to the true religion islam.”Muhammad legitimizing sexual slavery, polygamy, easy divorces, rapes, loot, murder, etc.” Can you show a single phrase in quran showing all these.If you can then i will left Islam.
    
    Vinay Arya suddenly say that puranaas (Kurma,Shiva & Bavisha Puranaas)are not his religious books because he found that the phrases i mentioned are correct and no need to worship any more this Shiva and his linga.
  - SDC December 3, 2011 At 2:07 pm
    
    The problem with you Hyder is the little knowledge that you possess of both these religions. You want me to quote para, chapter, and verse. So, here you go:
    
    Qur’an (33:50) – “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee”
    
    Qur’an (23:5-6) – “..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess…” This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. See also Qur’an (70:29-30).
    
    Qur’an (4:24) – “And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
    
    Qur’an (8:69) – “But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good” A reference to war booty (ghanimah).
  - hyder December 3, 2011 At 2:40 pm
    
    @ SDC,
    
    Throughout history, people have taken to worship things or people alongside Allah, or just worshiping something else like power, status or money. Even the names of religions seem have more to do with the creation and less or nothing to do with the Creator. For example: Buddhism – Buddha (the name of a man), Confucianism – Confucius (the name of a man), Hinduism – Hind (the name of an area), Judaism – Judah (the name of a tribe) and Christianity – Christ (the name of a great prophet).
    Islam is different. Islam is a word coming from the verb “aslama” and it carries the meaning of “surrender”, “submission”, between you and Almighty Allah (God) and not to any human or anything within creation. Anyone who practices Islam submits to and worships Allah alone without any partners of any kind.
    Islam teaches that God is One. Therefore the set of laws governing the universe is one. The oneness of the Creator, also, means that everything — whether living or non-living — is God’s creation. So they are bound to function in accordance with the nature assigned to them by God.
  - hyder December 3, 2011 At 2:40 pm
    
    @ SDC,
    In Hinduism, forms of Ishwara (i.e., the supreme God) such as Brahma (The creator), Vishnu (The preserver) and Shiva (The destroyer) are viewed as taking incarnations (Avatars), usually as a human) and coming down to the earth to bless humanity and rid the world of sins. Rama and Krishna are two of the most famous avatars of Vishnu and are highly popular among the Hindu masses. Hindus worship the same one God under different forms and even through icons.Shivas (who identify God with Shiva) believe their God Shiva has 11 avatars, wives Sati and Parvati and Sons Ganesha and Karthikeya. Lord Shiva is conceived in his unborn, invisible form as the Shiva Lingam. The Lingam represents as the male creative energy of Shiva. This main symbol of Shiva is worshipped in every Shaiva Hindu temple and home. Through it Shiva is worshipped as the supreme consciousness. Embracing the base of the linga is the yoni, the female organ, as the universal energy, as Shakti, Shiva’s spouse.
    But Islam follows a monotheistic view. Allah is the singular, transcendent, indivisible, and All-Pervading one true God, and this principle of monotheism is called Tawhid. Allah, the God, is considered ineffable, omniscient, omnipotent and has infinite attributes. Attribution of divinity to a created entity, shirk(polytheism), is considered as a denial of the truth of God and thus a major sin.Allah neither takes incarnations, nor has wives, Sons or daughters. “Say: He is Allah. the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.” (Sura 112:1-4)
  - hyder December 3, 2011 At 2:42 pm
    
    @SDC,
    Everything in this universe except God is the creation of God. God is different from all of his creations, because God is the maker and keeper of them all. The maker of anything must be different from and greater than the things which he makes. Muslims worship such a God, called Allah in Arabic language.
    In the world there must be a Great force in action to keep everything in order.
    In the beautiful nature there must be a great artist who creates the most charming pieces of art and produces everything for a special purpose in life.
    This force is the strongest of all forces,
    And this Artist is the greatest of all artists.
    The true believers and deeply enlightened people recognize this Artist and call him God. They call him God because God is the creator and the chief architect of the world,
    The originator of life and the provider of all things in existence.
    God is not a man because no man can create or make another man. God is neither father nor son. God has no son or daughters. God is not an animal, nor God is a plant.
    God is neither an idol nor God is a statue of any kind because none of these things can make itself or create anything else.
    God is not a machine. God is neither the Sun nor is God the Moon or any other Star, because these things are controlled by a great system, and are themselves made by someone else.
    God is different from all these things, because God is the maker and keeper of them all.
    The maker of anything must be different from and greater than the thing which he makes.
    The maker and Sustainer of the world, the creator and provider for man, the active force and effective power in nature are all one and the same, and that is known to be Allah.
  - hyder December 3, 2011 At 2:43 pm
    
    “It is God Who has made the night for you, that you may rest therein, and the day to see. Verily God is full of Grace and bounty to men. Yet most men give no thanks. Such is God, your Lord, the creator of all things. There is no god but He; why then do you turn away from him. Thus are turned away those who deny the signs of God. It is God who has made for you the earth as a resting place and the sky as a shelter, and has given you shape and made your shapes beautiful, and has provided for you sustenance of things good and pure; such is God your Lord. So glory to God, the lord of the worlds! He is the living (One); There is no god but He; call upon Him, giving him sincere devotion. Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds” (Holy Qur’an)
    
    So, we need such a God and believe in that God and praise and worship that God only.
    May God Bless all of us to quest the truth.
  - shravak December 3, 2011 At 5:14 pm
    
    @hyder
    What about your pedo prophet?
  - hyder December 3, 2011 At 6:16 pm
    
    @ Sharvak,
    Far better than your shiva who tore linga out and vanished.Shame on you guys to worship that linga which is placed in parvathi’s yoni.
  - Bagyaraj December 3, 2011 At 6:32 pm
    
    Lord Siva is the deity symbolically presents the controller of death/ destruction (the destruction is for further construction). Mahavishnu and Lord Siva are said to be connected through hearts (which only means inseparable) Vishnoasya hrudayam siva: Sivosya hrudayam vishno – says Upanishads and Yajurveda. Symbolically Lord Siva has powerful fire in the third eye, powerful water and torrential air symbolically tied in the tuft and the snake around the neck (symbol of international medical association) and thri sool in hand. All the five respectively present destruction through fire, water (flood, etc) air (cyclone/ tempest,etc) diseases and using weapons. Parvathy (means energy/force/sakti) is symbolically presented as the wife of Lord Siva. Through this combination of Lord Siva and Parvathy, it is shown that the destruction for construction can take place with powerful application of any one or more of the above five. (Powerful fire, air, water, diseases and weapon only have the destruction capacity). Thus they become inseparable hence the concept of Ardhanaareeswara comes up. In fact the Brahma Vishnu Maheswara sankalpa and the Lakshmi Parvathy Sarswathi sankalpa are the symbolic presentation of the life cycle spiritual- social and physical level when scientifically explained. Always the Hindus consider the knowledge, prosperity and sakthi/power in feminine gender. These explanations (of the gods) are the connecting layers of Vedic and puranic concepts of gods.
  - Aatish December 4, 2011 At 3:02 pm
    
    hyder
    
    1. If someone does not believe in this story of Shiva, is he saved from the wrath of Allah?
    
    2. A hindu can remain hindu even if he rejects stories of Puranas or any other books. But can you do it with the stories of pedophilia, rape and sex slavery that your prophet was central character? Can you remain Muslims after rejecting such stories of Muhammad?
  - Spirit January 5, 2012 At 8:06 pm
    
    Tslim Shaikh, Your comment is italic
    Islam gives Highest respect to womenProphet (PBUH) taught us to give greatest regards to women. Prophet helped a lot of women who had lost their husband, brother in wars. Islam never allows killing of women while having wars with kaffirs or dis-believers.
    
    Are you expecting me to believe in anything whatever you say??? How Muhammad helped a lot of women (who lost their husbands or siblings)? By molesting them???
    Muhammad allowed his men to rape the women captured in raids.
    Bukhari reports:
    
    Abu Saeed said: “We went out with Allâh’s Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, ‘How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allâh’s Apostle who is present among us?” We asked (him) about it and he said, ‘It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.”
    
    Muhammad does not forbid raping women captured in war. Instead, he indicates that when Allâh intends to create anything, nothing can prevent it. In other words, not even the absence of semen can prevent it. So Muhammad is telling his men that coitus interruptus would be futile and ill-advised because it would be an attempt to thwart the irresistible will of Allâh. Muhammad does not say a word against the forced insemination of these captive females. In fact, by criticizing coitus interruptus, in effect he supported forced insemination.
    
    Safiyah was a beautiful 17 years old Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops raided Kheibar. She was the daughter or Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe of Medina , whom Muhammad had beheaded two years earlier along with the men of Banu Quriaza. The tribe of Banu Nadir had been already banished from Medina and their properties were confiscated. She was married to her…
Bagyaraj December 3, 2011 At 6:31 pm

@ Hyder,

Which story of Shiva you are talking about ?In Purana there is no such story.I can give you the scientific explanation of Trinity Gods.

Explanation for Mahavishnu: The blue colour of Vishnu denotes the colour of the sky and ocean which means the infinity/ limitless. The serpent on which Vishnu is lying denotes the coiled structure of a galaxy. The name of the serpent anantha means limitless (infinity) the ksheera saagaram ( ocean of milk) on which Vishnu is pictured shows milky way galaxy. Anantha sayana represent the silent universe/ galaxies. Symbolically Mahalakshmi ( meaning of this word is prosperity) has been attributed the position of the wife of Mahavishnu showing that any system can smoothly exist only with prosperity.

From Mahavishnu comes out through a Lotus (symbolically) the creator Lord Brahma. This symbolically presents a connection of Lord Brahma with the prapancha purhsa similar to the connection of the baby in the womb of the mother. The baby takes the energy and nutrition for growing/ cell production from the mother. Similarly Lord Brahma takes energy and material from for creation in the world. The four heads of Lord Brahma represent the four axes required for any creation: x, y, z and time axes. The Vedas (the word itself means knowledge) in the hands of Lord Brahma and the position of Saraswathy (deity of knowledge) as the wife of the creator symbolically present that for every creation knowledge/ vidya is required. The knowledge and creation (knowledge for creation) are inseparable components.

Lord Siva is the deity symbolically presents the controller of death/ destruction (the destruction is for further construction). Mahavishnu and Lord Siva are said to be connected through hearts (which only means inseparable) Vishnoasya hrudayam siva: Sivosya hrudayam vishno – says Upanishads and Yajurveda. Symbolically Lord Siva has powerful fire in the third eye, powerful water and torrential air symbolically tied in the tuft and the snake around the neck (symbol of…

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Prithvi December 3, 2011 At 11:28 pm

jihadi hyder
you muslims always hides or denies your atrocities,i have read the quran which prohibits free thoughts ,only hell fire, encourages discrimination ,slavery ,murdering of unbelievers ,is not true muslim countries treat religious minorities like crap.
see this
http://www.wikiislam.net
http://www.faithfreedom.org
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
your true religion have crossed milestone in killing 18,000 lives and going on

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- hyder December 4, 2011 At 2:01 pm
  
  @ Pritvi,
  What about the incident in Gujarat and Ayodhya?
  
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  - Aatish December 4, 2011 At 3:04 pm
    
    hyder
    
    What happened in Gujarat and Ayodhya and why?
  - hyder December 4, 2011 At 3:08 pm
    
    @ Aatish,
    1. If someone does not believe in this story of Shiva, is he saved from the wrath of Allah?
    Ans : – Believing Shiva who is a dirty creature is your choice.
    
    2. A hindu can remain hindu even if he rejects stories of Puranas or any other books. But can you do it with the stories of pedophilia, rape and sex slavery that your prophet was central character? Can you remain Muslims after rejecting such stories of Muhammad?
    Ans : – There is no such dirty stories in Quran then why we need to reject.
  - Aatish December 4, 2011 At 3:39 pm
    
    hyder
    
    1. I did not ask what is my choice, I know it better than you. Answer the question asked.
    
    2. So you believe that
    
    (i) Sex slavery, rape and pedophilia are dirty
    (ii) Muhammad did not do/preach/support slavery, rape and pedophilia
    
    Good, now if I show you that (ii) is false, will you leave Islam?
  - hyder December 4, 2011 At 3:51 pm
    
    1. I did not ask what is my choice, I know it better than you. Answer the question asked.
    Ans : The answer i had given is more than enough .This question itself reveals that you need to worship dirty Shiva and his penis.
    2. So you believe that
    (i) Sex slavery, rape and pedophilia are dirty
    Ans : – Yes with out any doubt because i am not a worshiper of Shiva
    (ii) Muhammad did not do/preach/support slavery, rape and pedophilia
    Ans : – No,Never
    
    Good, now if I show you that (ii) is false, will you leave Islam?
    Ans: – I show mistakes of Shiva.Are you ready to leave Hinduism?I challenge you to prove the 2nd statement with quotes from Quran
  - Aatish December 4, 2011 At 4:04 pm
    
    hyder
    
    1. Question here is not Shiva with penis or Allah without penis or eunuch. Question was, will Allah save those from hell who dont believe in Shiva?
    
    2. I dont believe in Shiva you mentioned. I reject any immoral, illogical story found anywhere. So no question of leaving Hinduism because I dont believe in that ‘Hinduism’ in first place.
    
    Explain Quran [33:50] here. What was the age of Aisha when Muhammad married her?
  - Danish January 3, 2012 At 4:20 am
    
    Dear Hyder ,
    Please don’t use wrong language and don’t point to anyone God ……I know this is making you Hyper when you read all these stupid quotes……..jiski jitni soch hai vo utna he soceyga …..tum bekar he apna zaban karab kar rahey ho …yeh nahi maneygey apni galtiyo ko na sharmayge …inhey jitna samjaogey usey galat disha mai le jayge jissey inki baat sahi ho …..
    anyways sach kya hai vo sab quran mai likha hai …..tov en jhuti sacchi kahaniyo se koi fark nahi padta …..aur agar islaam galat hota tov duniya mai sabsey zada tezi se nai falta …..islaam apney sath ans kudh lata hai ….
    AB yeh kaheygey k islaam talvar se falaya gaya hai ……tov ek baat socho meray samjdaar dosto k India mai sabze zada Mugals ne hukumat ki 800 saal tak ..tab sab ko unhoney maar kaat k hindu nahi bana diya ……aur sabse bada example tov Muhammad sallah wasalam k ghar mai thay unkey chacha jo kudh hindu he mare ….kya unhey zor zabardasti se islaam kubul nahi kara saktey thay …….well chodo yeh samjna he nahi chatey …..sirf nafrat payda karney kaam kar rahe hai yeh site chalaney vale aur kuch nahi ……
  - Prithvi December 4, 2011 At 4:19 pm
    
    you are talking about gujarat and ayodhya
    who is responsible for gujarat riots ,how many muslims have condemned burning of 57 innocent people by jihadi mob ,gujarati hindus have been persecuted by muslims since conquest by muslims ,your islamic hero mahmud ghaznavi what he has done to somnath temple, see the history gujarat riots , who is the responsible?
    
    and for ayodhya thousands of temples have been demolished by the muslims since centuries , see kashi viswanath temple is not it destroyed by aurangzeb,
    what you have to say about kashmiri pandits , what is the opinion for malabar massacre by muslims in which hindus were killed one sided in the name of khilafat movement,
    what is the situation of hindus in pakistan and bangladesh
  - hyder December 4, 2011 At 6:20 pm
    
    @ Aatish,
    1. Question here is not Shiva with penis or Allah without penis or eunuch. Question was, will Allah save those from hell who dont believe in Shiva?
    Ans: – Allah will save only the people who believes in him and follow his path.
    
    2. I dont believe in Shiva you mentioned. I reject any immoral, illogical story found anywhere. So no question of leaving Hinduism because I dont believe in that ‘Hinduism’ in first place.
    Ans : – It is better to reject if mistakes are shown and thus you will finally reject Hindu Dharma or Vedic Dharma.
    
    Explain Quran [33:50] here. What was the age of Aisha when Muhammad married her?
    Ans : Where is Aisha in Quran [33:50] ?
  - Aatish December 4, 2011 At 9:07 pm
    
    Hyder
    
    1. When this was what I asked, why were you wasting time? And dont you feel shame on your Gabbar Singh style Allah who will save you only if you believe in him blindly?
    
    2. Where did I correlate [33:50] and Aisha? These two are separate. So now answer these two separately.
  - hyder December 4, 2011 At 6:30 pm
    
    @ Prithvi
    
    Gujarat : – These are all the stories made by Hindus.Even if Hindus are killed by some terrorists,is the right way of reply is by killing the poor Muslims.Then what is the difference between Hindus and terrorists?It is not the problem of Hindus but the problem of their religious books which teaches to kill the family members for the kingdom.
    
    Ayodhya :- Building up some stories to support the terrorist activities will not work.Some stories had been made by historians .By believing that Hindus destroy the Holy mosque.This is what happened in Ayodhya.
  - Aatish December 4, 2011 At 9:13 pm
    
    Dumber hyder
    
    Yes, only the stories of flying donkeys, virgin mothers, talking ants, weeping stones, angles, Jinns, breaking moons, heaven, hell, Adam, Eve etc are true being propagated by true historians and scientists. Rest others are liars.
  - Prithvi December 4, 2011 At 10:13 pm
    
    that what i say you muslims always denied your own atrocities ,by killing thousands of non-muslims you say islam is the religion of peace , where are you getting wrong informations ? from your pakistani historians , when muslims are in majority they always persecutes the ethnic minorities and when they are in minorities they demand various benefits from the govt, in every islamic countries there are islamic terrorist organisations in the name of allah and from quranic instructions.majority of crimes are commited by muslims in india and other countries.who said the muslims to attack non-muslims land, what happen to the zoroastrians in iran by religion of peace,there are so many incidents of your peaceful religion, but you still talking about gujarat and ayodhya, but denies kashmir ,bangladesh ,pakistan hindu genocide,and you say stories made by hindus, in every muslim countries there have been ethnic cleanising of religious minorities,even many ex-muslims like ali sina,ibn warraq,mariam namazie,ehsan jami ,magdi alam have criticised the Islam why? If hindus are intoleraant then how muslims are growing in india
    why there have been thousands of mosques and madrasaas, compare your muslim countries with non-muslim countries see what is crap condition of muslims.
  - hyder December 5, 2011 At 11:15 am
    
    @ Aatish,
    Please quote verses and then claim else it is not at all valid.
  - hyder December 5, 2011 At 11:23 am
    
    @Prithvi,
    I think you are u a terrorist of RSS or Shivasena.How can you justify killing the poor Muslims ?As i ask this you are diverting some other subject which is not in India.
  - Raja December 5, 2011 At 11:36 am
    
    Have some shame Hyder. Nowhere has prithvi or anyone else justified killing of any Muslim. They have on contrary raised questions on why non-Muslims are persecuted in Muslim majority as a religious duty. It is you who are shamelessly diverting the topic because you have ran out of reasons.
  - Starving to be Muslim December 5, 2011 At 12:09 pm
    
    @hyder
    Brother, I am with u. Please carry on your scholarly debate with these Kaffirs. Hey, Kaffiro accept Islam otherwise go in hell.
  - hyder December 29, 2011 At 1:57 pm
    
    @ Pritvi,Raja,Aathish,kal Bhairav,Vinay Arya etc,
    Please explain the below quotes what your vedas says about Women
    A virtuous woman is one who dies on the funeral pyre of her dead husband and avails the privilege of serving her husband in the other world. (Atharva Veda 18-3-1)
    Woman is the source of sorrow. At birth she makes her mother weep. At the time of the puberty she makes her parents weep. At the time of the marriage she makes all her family members and relatives weep. In youth she commits lot of blunders and brings bad name to the entire family, relatives and Varna . She tortures the hearts of her parents, husband and other family members. She is called ‘DARIKA’ because she is source of sorrow to all. (Aithareya Brahmana)
  - GOD IS GREAT December 29, 2011 At 3:14 pm
    
    Mr. Hyder, I already mentioned that You shall Quote Vedas in Sanskrit. Bcoz when you write them in English, you refer to Griffith OR other jokers.
    
    इयं नारी पतिलोकं वृणाना निपद्यत उपत्वा मर्त्यप्रेतम ।
    धर्मं पूराणमनुपालयंती तस्या प्रजा द्रविणं चेह धेही ॥ अथर्व वेद 18.3.1
    अर्थात हे मनुष्य, यह नारी पति के घर को चाहती हुई, पुराने धर्म को पालती हुई, मृत होने पर भी पति की स्तुती करती है। वह स्त्री संतान और बल धारण करे।
    
    Where is sacrifical pyre here? OR is it your imagination ? HAHAHA. In Sanskrit, one word means many things, therefore one has to see context and apply. Leave it – how will Arabic jokers understand that? Quote the Sanskrit verse from Aitereya Brahmana. That will show the loopholes in your arguments.
Spirit December 4, 2011 At 6:41 pm

Hyder read this ( of coursed this is copied)

——Women Who Refuse Sex Will Be Cursed by Angels——–

The following Hadith also makes it clear that women are created for men and for their satisfaction.

”Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.” [15]

The above makes one wonder, whether Allah has nothing better to do than worrying about the sexual pleasures of Muslim men! It seems absurd that God would employ a host of angels to do nothing but sit around and curse the women who do not sexually please their husbands. To curse means invoking the wrath of God. Why would God need so many angles to invoke his wrath on frigid women when he can punish them his own? There seems to be a lot of redundancies and mismanagements up there. It is like the president of a country, have his staff lobby him for the plans that he wants to put into action. It just makes no sense. If these angels are paid then this is a complete waste of divine funds and if they are not paid then it is slavery. You can’t say the angels do this voluntarily because the angles do nothing without the will of Allah. There are more hadiths on this subject:

“Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, when a man calls his wife to his bed, and she does not respond, the One Who is in the heaven is displeased with her until he (her husband) is pleased with her.” [16]

And

“The Prophet said, “If a woman spends the night deserting her husband’s bed (does not sleep with him), then the angels send their curses on her till she comes back (to her husband).” [17]

It is hard to determine why Muhammad was so concerned about this issue. Perhaps it helps to remember that he was an old man when his numerous wives were mostly teenagers or in their early twenties. His teeth must have been decaying and his…

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Spirit December 4, 2011 At 6:43 pm

Continues……..

It is hard to determine why Muhammad was so concerned about this issue. Perhaps it helps to remember that he was an old man when his numerous wives were mostly teenagers or in their early twenties. His teeth must have been decaying and his mouth had a foul smell. As I have shown in Understanding Muhammad, he emitted a foul smell that he tried to mask with abundance of perfume. He was also impotent. It is natural to assume that his young wives were not that much desirous to share their bed with an old, smelly and impotent man like him. Is it possible that Muhammad concocted these stories to intimidate his young wives not to reject his sexual advances, when he wanted to “fondle” them? Or do you think Allah is also a pimp?

According to the Prophet of Allah, a man’s sexual urges are such an emergency that his wife must leave her food burn in the oven rather than leave him alone in bed with an erection.

The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven.” [18]

Imagine kids coming home:

– Mom, we are home and hungry.
– Oh, I am sorry, but the dinner is burnt.
– Ah agaaaaain?
– Yes my dear. Daddy had an emergency, which mommy had to attend to.
– But Mom, you said the same also yesterday.
– I know my sweet heart. Daddy lately spends a lot of time on the Internet.

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Spirit December 4, 2011 At 6:49 pm

Hyder

Men Can Beat Their Wives

Muhammad instructed men to beat their wives if they are not obedient.

”and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” [9]

Mishkat al-Masabih narrates: “the above verse was revealed in connection with a woman who complained to Mohammad that her husband slapped her on the face (which was still marked by the slap). At first the Prophet said to her: ‘Get even with him’, but then added: ‘Wait until I think about it.’ Later on the above verse was revealed, after which the Prophet said: ‘We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best.'” [10]

Maybe on the spur of the moment and faced with this obvious injustice, Muhammad was moved by a fleeting rash of compassion, but that did not last very long. Soon he thought about the implications of what he had said and how this would affect his own relationship with his rebellious wives. So he made his Allah issue that shamefully unjust verse giving men the liberty to beat their wives to make them obedient.

As it is clear from the above verse, a woman does not have to disobey her husband in order to be beaten. Her husband can beat her only if he FEARS that she may disobey her. As Irshah Manji in “The trouble with Islam: writes (p34 regarding 4:34) “To deserve a beating, a woman doesn’t have to disobey anybody, a man merely has to fear her disobedience. His insecurity becomes her problem”

Good women do not complain if their husbands beat them:

“Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab: Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the…

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Spirit December 4, 2011 At 6:54 pm

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Good women do not complain if their husbands beat them:

“Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab: Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Many women have gone round Muhammad’s family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you.” [Muslim 11:2141]

The husband does not have to explain to anyone why he beats his wife.

“Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.” [Muslim 11:2142]

Muhammad went as far as to say women should prostrate in front of their husbands:

“If I were to command anyone to make prostration before another I would command women to prostrate themselves before their husbands, because of the special right over them given to husbands by Allah.” [11]

In a hadith Aisha narrated one night Muhammad, left her home after he thought she is asleep. She secretly followed her and when he came back and saw she was panting, he inquired where she had gone. [Poor man was extremely paranoid whether his wives were cheating]. He told her if she concealed what she was doing the “Subtle and the Aware” [ghosts] would inform him. Aisha says that when I confessed that I had followed him, “He struck me on the chest which caused me pain,” [Muslim4.2127 ]

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- hyder December 4, 2011 At 7:08 pm
  
  @ Spirit,
  
  These quotes are not in Quran.These are your own wordings and stories.Please quote the correct phrases.
  
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  - Bagyaraj December 4, 2011 At 7:24 pm
    
    @ Hyder,
    Sanathana Dharma is widely accepted in the world now a days.If you go to USA in 186 universities Bagavath Gita is a part of the syllabus. In Harvard University – Bagavath Geetha is the part of MBA Syllabus. In Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) – Sanskrit is one of the compulsory subject. In Toronto University – Department of Hinduism is the biggest department. In Manitoba University – Sanathana Dharma is teaching in different batches.In America 17 Million people is practicing yoga daily – a news from Indian Express in 2007.22% Americans moved to Vegetarian Diet. Ayurveda is widely accepted.I just mention America as an example because America is a very developed country in Scientific Field.As Swami Vivekananda said 21st century belong to we Indians.The world is turning towards India and you are still with your Quran and Prophet.Come let us together enjoy the essence of nearly 1500 basic foundation books in India based on various subject.Try to learn these books at least to criticize.
  - Spirit December 4, 2011 At 7:54 pm
    
    Hyder
    
    So you reject sahi hadiths????????
    
    Do you wanna see how quran falls miserable to my posts????? I really become surprise how Islam still surviveS!!!!! but I got the answers to my questions why Islam is surviving till now………
    
    Lets have a discussion on quran…….. I have produced a sura in my cricket ground today……..
    if you have guts lets have a discussion……………. topic would be ” QURAN IS SACRED”
  - hyder December 7, 2011 At 12:12 pm
    
    @ Spirit,
    
    ‘why Islam is surviving till now’ – Because Islam is only the true religion and from the god.
    I am ready to have discussion with you but if you ask 1 question i will also ask one about Hindu Mythology.If you can agree with that i am ready always.
  - Truth Seeker December 7, 2011 At 1:15 pm
    
    @Hyder
    ________why Islam is surviving________________
    1. Because Islam is most peaceful religion of world.
    2. Because Islam give lure of 72 virgin afterlife.
    3. Because Islam support bowing head before stones.
    4. Because Islam support we should include human also in God prayer.
Spirit December 4, 2011 At 7:40 pm

Hyder
Your Muhammad was a child molester. He was born in a primitive area of Saudi Arabia among the lacherous people. Muhammad didn’t even think about the problem of a girl child (aging his grand daughter) before thighing her. Now you and your dumber Naik would also legitimatize this………..

Enjoy the sacred texts of Sahi Muslims { (for you) but nothing but a scandal for me}

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated ‘Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated ‘Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

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- hyder December 4, 2011 At 7:53 pm
  
  @ Spirit,
  
  Do you have any quotes from the original Quran to establish these quotes else don’t think that you are smart.Give the proof and come for a debate.
  
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  - Spirit December 4, 2011 At 8:08 pm
    
    Hyder
    
    ——-Do you have any quotes from the original Quran to establish these quotes else don’t think that you are smart.Give the proof and come for a debate.——-
    
    Kindly name original quran which you are referring to. Are you referring to that Quran that Shia musalman claims?????? Are you referring to that 17000 versed quran????
  - Spirit December 4, 2011 At 8:09 pm
    
    Hyder
    
    ——-Do you have any quotes from the original Quran to establish these quotes else don’t think that you are smart.Give the proof and come for a debate.——-
    
    Kindly name original quran which you are referring to. Are you referring to that Quran that Shia musalman claims original?????? Are you referring to that 17000 versed quran????
  - hyder December 5, 2011 At 8:32 pm
    
    Any body can explain why Bagavth Gita teaches to fight between the relatives for the land,money and girls?
    Any body can explain why in Mahabaratha Panjalay has 5 husbands.?
    Any body can explain why bali was killed by Rama when he was fighting with Sugreev?
    Any body can explain why sreekrishna having sex with radha before marriage?
    Any body can explain why sreekrishna have 1600 wives?
  - Prithvi December 5, 2011 At 10:16 pm
    
    hyder
    first you read these books carefully don’t relay on copy paste articles from pakistani blogs,
    your hadiths are semi pornographic books
  - Bagyaraj December 6, 2011 At 6:03 pm
    
    @ Hyder
    Any body can explain why Bagavth Gita teaches to fight between the relatives for the land,money and girls?
    Ans : -Bagavath Gita is the message of Karma.It is not fight between the relatives.But the story look like that.In fact Bharatha War is inside our self.Pandavas are the very few good qualities in us and Kouravas are the much more bad qualities.The whole Bagavath Gita teach us to kill all this bad qualities in you and make it to good qualities.If you read Bagavath Gita in this sense you will understand the essence of the book.In addition bagavath githa is a crisis management book too.
    
    Any body can explain why in Mahabaratha Panjalay has 5 husbands.?
    Ans:- I don’t know the answer of this.I request any scholar here to irradiate your doubts on this question .I too will wait for that.
  - Bagyaraj December 6, 2011 At 6:04 pm
    
    Any body can explain why bali was killed by Rama when he was fighting with Sugreev?
    Ans : – Ramayana is a story which teaches you about Dharma.The dharma of Father,Son,Husband,Wife,King,Brother etc..It teaches what to do and what not to by showing us the results to the doer.If you read Valmiki Ramayana the question you raised is asked by the wife of Bali and sreerama is giving answer for that.The opposite action of this is coming to SreeRama when he come as Sreekrishna in his next birth.The same bali (his after Birth)is killing Sreekrishna(after birth of Rama). This clearly teach us that for each and every action there is an equal and opposite reaction experienced by the doer as said by Sreekrishna in Bagavath Gita.
    I will also copy here an explanation given by one brother in this website itself.
    a) Bali was not unarmed : Bali was very powerfull. His hands were his arms. It is said that he was able to absorve all the powers of arms and weapons of the enemies who come before him. Hence, in practical view he was not unarmed. Hence Sri Ram did not kill some one when he was unarmed.
    b)Bali was not killed when he was engaged in fight with some one else : In Ramayan, it is very clearly written that, Ram waited till Sugriva is grounded by Bali. Hence in practical view, the fight was over, hence this allegation is base less too.
    c) Reason of Killing Bali: Ram went to Sugriva for help. He came to know that Bali had forcefully taken wife of Sugriva, and he was engaged in disturbing the kingdom in many ways. So it was for the betterment of the kingdom to kill Bali. And the method of killing Bali was a well planned war. So nothing wrong in it. Sri Ram saved a kingdom.
  - Bagyaraj December 6, 2011 At 6:04 pm
    
    Any body can explain why sreekrishna having sex with radha before marriage?
    Ans : – Radha is a symbolic representation of knowledge.There is no such story in puranaas showing krishna had sex with radha.This is your own imagination or some body gave you wrong information.
    
    Any body can explain why sreekrishna have 1600 wives?
    Ans:- Krishna does not have 1600 wives. Krishna gave the status of Rajapatnee ( Just like Mao Tse Tung, in China gave national women status for the women prisoners when he released them from Chinese jail) for thousands (16000) of women prisoners who were in the jail of Narakasura.Why he had given Rajapatnee Status? – As the women prisoners are not accepted by their husbands, parents and the society people (because they were with Narakasura) they ask for the help of krishna and thus Krishna gave them rajapatnee status.
    You questions are answered now except one .Now it is your turn to explain what Mr.Spirit shows you from Quran regarding your prophet. If you cannot answer please learn quran or learn religious books of India before raising such questions.
    As per Abdul Kalam(true muslim) former president of India his role model is Vidhura who is a character from Mahabharata. I request you to learn some Indian books and you will also get some role models which helps you to guide your life in a very pleasant manner.
  - hyder December 7, 2011 At 11:04 am
    
    @ Bagyaraj,
    1)Why in Mahabharata Panjalay has 5 husbands?
    2)How you can Say Abimanyu is the son of Arjuna why not Bhima,Udishtira etc?
    3)Your Holy book permits to have 5 or more husbands for a lady.How she will know the father of the baby she is having?
    4)Why your are worshiping penis of shiva?Why don’ t you worship others penis?
    5)Why sex symbols are there in walls of temples?Are you not shame to go to temples with your family?
    6)Why you worshiping the Idols in temples as it is not even permitted in your Vedas ?
    7)Why sreekrishna took the dress of gopies and enjoyed their nudeness when they were taking bath?
    There are a lot of questions in this dirty Hindu mythology which you can’t answer. why to continue in such a religion?Learn the holy Qur’an and be a true Islam.
  - Truth Seeker December 7, 2011 At 12:11 pm
    
    @Hyder
    ____________Why in Mahabharata Panjalay has 5 husbands___________
    Mahabharat is mostly adulterated Text. As per scholars original Mahabharat had only 10000 Verses written by Ved Vyas but now it contains 120000 verses. That means 100000 verses has been added later. It should be interpreted as far as it is in the line of Veda rest should be rejected.
    For more detail on this click the link given below
    http://vedmandir.com/content/questions-answers-october-09-2011
    
    ___________How you can Say Abimanyu is the son of Arjuna why not Bhima,Udishtira etc?_______________
    Abhimanu got birth from Subhadra who was wife of Arjun.
    __________Your Holy book permits to have 5 or more husbands for a lady___________________
    Sorry, u got the information from wrong sources who want to demean Hinduism. It is completely immoral and against Veda.
    Click on the link given above
    ________Why your are worshiping penis of shiva?Why don’ t you worship others penis___________
    It is against Veda. People are unaware of Vedic knowledge that why they are worshiping Shivaling but not in the sense of penish but as a symbol of God. Stone worshiping is not mention in Veda. So worshiping of any stone what may Kaba stone or Shiva linga stone is against Veda.
    __________Why you worshiping the Idols in temples as it is not even permitted in your Vedas_____________
    Because as earlier said people are unaware of Vedic knolwedge that why they are bowing head before Kaba stone or any other stones.
    ___________Why sreekrishna took the dress of gopies and enjoyed their nudeness when they were taking bath________
    Veda nowhere have such story. Krishna was a great legend. All such stories are man made like false propaganda that Mohamad did sex with a child named Aisha or Mohamad did sex with her daughter Zainab & mohamd did sex with slaves women.
  - Bagyaraj December 7, 2011 At 1:23 pm
    
    @ Hyder,
    I have the same answers for 1,2,3 Questions which is answered by Mr Truth Seeker.I will add some information to the answers for Questions 4,5,6,7
    
    4) Why you are worshiping penis of shiva? Why don’t you worship others penis?
    Ans : – Linga in Sanskrit also means symbol – Symbol of Shiva and not Penis.
    Idol & Vigraha is different and shiva linga is a vigraha.A Vigraha can store energy and release energy. The specialty of Shiva Linga can be explained scientifically. There are nearly 200 atomic reactors in this world and nearly 95% of those have the shape of Shiva Linga. If you visit Shiva temple you can see 24 hrs water abisheka in Shiva linga in all the temples and the same process is there in atomic reactors too. A study based on this happened in last 10 years. Scientist Professor Corod Code of Moscow University had taken Kirlian photography (Gas discharge visualization photography) of various vigrahas & he calculated the storage capacity of electro magnetic energy in vigrahas. It is done in Kerala by the leading of BG Group with scientists from America. They discovered that the electromagnetic energy level which can be stored in Shiva Linga is (23×10) 39.That is the specialty of that shape and our ancestors used this because they know that it is good for health.
    
    5)Why sex symbols are there in walls of temples?Are you not shame to go to temples with your family?
    Ans: – All the spirituality/ pilgrimage /temple visit / is for the mind. Mind is resting on body.All that are present in the body are part and parcel of spirituality. However in big/great temples, the postures of animal and human beings are demonstrated with a precise aim. Temple is the place where your mental attention is diverted from worldly luxuries to divinity. This cannot be done within a few days or few visits. It is a continuous process as told by Maharshi Patnjali Abhyaasa vairaaghyaabhyaam
    tannirodha only through practice and detachment this is achieved. Through bhajans, good pictures/ odor / prasadam/ touch/ contact/ etc…
  - Bagyaraj December 7, 2011 At 1:26 pm
    
    @ Hyder,
    5)Why sex symbols are there in walls of temples?Are you not shame to go to temples with your family?
    Ans: – All the spirituality/ pilgrimage /temple visit / is for the mind. Mind is resting on body.All that are present in the body are part and parcel of spirituality. However in big/great temples, the postures of animal and human beings are demonstrated with a precise aim. Temple is the place where your mental attention is diverted from worldly luxuries to divinity. This cannot be done within a few days or few visits. It is a continuous process as told by Maharshi Patnjali Abhyaasa vairaaghyaabhyaam
    tannirodha only through practice and detachment this is achieved. Through bhajans, good pictures/ odor / prasadam/ touch/ contact/ etc the attention of sensory organs can be diverted. But the attraction towards sex is not easy to divert. To make
    it sure that THE ATTRACTION TOWARDS SEX IS also diverted, ONLY possible method is present it in the natural form or the form the artist feel. Remember it works /worked. You can see in Mahakshetraas people do not get attracted towards
    these. These are only casual things for them.
  - Bagyaraj December 7, 2011 At 1:26 pm
    
    @ Hyder,
    6)Why you worshiping the Idols in temples as it is not even permitted in your Vedas ?
    Vedas says those who have wisdom does not require an Idol. Thus Idol is only for a common man till he reaches higher level of spirituality, as said ‘prathima alpa buddheenaam – prathima’/ idol is meant for common man. It is only a pathway to achieve higher level to reach ‘Brahma jnaanam’. For a real yogi, in Hindu dharma Idol is not needed.
    But idol worship in the temples has psychological, physiological, social, spiritual, cultural and national values to contribute for the members of the society. Indian temples are not just prayer halls it acts also as a quantum healing centers. The customs and rituals of the temples have a strong and proved scientific background.
    Hindus worship in temples. The temples are not merely prayer halls for Hindus, they are the quantum healing centers (kshayaath thraaythe iti kshetra). In temples the light, heat, sound and chemical energies are filled through lighting the lamp, camphor, keeping mirrors, etc. The sound energy through manthra, ringing of the bells, musical instruments, bhajans etc. The chemical energy is from bathies, aromatic flowers and leaves etc. Thus the temples are energization centres in Hindu way of worship. A devotee has to stand for few minutes in the temple environment in front of the vigraha/ idol with sareera ( body) ,mana ( mind), aahaara (food), vaak (words/ talking ) and karma ( deeds) suddhee (purity) for energisation.
  - Bagyaraj December 7, 2011 At 1:27 pm
    
    7) Why sreekrishna took the dress of gopies and enjoyed their nudeness when they were taking bath?
    He took the dress of Gopies because they were bathing in the pond always nude and Krishna knows this activity is a disturbance for the people in that locality. So to stop this Krishna took the dress of gopies and in the story after this gopies never do such an activity because they found that the Krishna’s advice is correct and good for them and the society. No were in the story it is saying that Krishna enjoyed their nudeness. And as Truthseeker said these are all false propaganda.
    There are a lot of questions in this dirty Hindu mythology which you can’t answer. why to continue in such a religion? Learn the holy Qur’an and be a true Islam.
    Sex is not dirty and if you feel sex is dirty you are also dirty because you are a result of that dirty activity. Complain to your parents regarding this and don’t ever do sex in your life.
    What is your intention? Do you need to prove that Islam is the best religion and Quran is the best book? You can say this to some Arabs and not to Indians because we have more than 1500 books on various subjects. How can you ask such questions without having a minimum knowledge on these books? Why are you continuously asking some doubts from wrong sources? Why don’t you answer to the questions of Mr.Spirit?
    I prefer you to read Valmiki Ramayana and analyze it scientifically, rationally and logically. You will get a complete message how to live in this world with dignity and respect and how to behave to various persons.
Prithvi December 7, 2011 At 11:46 am

hyde
if a muslim man gets 72 virgins in heaven ,then what a muslimah will get in heaven
72 mens i think

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Truth Seeker December 7, 2011 At 2:25 pm

@All Friends
Please have a look on this book “Satan’s Trinity: Hitler, Stalin, Muhammad.”
http://satanstrinity.wordpress.com/

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Tina December 10, 2011 At 3:08 am

I really do not understand, how he claims Moh. to be KalKi Avatar, when Kal-Yug has still not arrived. KalKi-Avatar is supposed to come at end of Kal-Yug. So I think Zakir Naik must be comparing Moh. to Kali-Maata, in that case he is saying Moh. was a female. Nice work, Zakir.

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- Akhila Padhi December 10, 2011 At 9:32 am
  
  Zakir’s claim of Mohammed in Hindu scriptures brought be burst into laughter. That man, first translated the word “Narashamsa” as “Praise worthy”, then translated “Praise worthy” as ” Mohammed”. Fool, does not know, Mohammed was not the first or last man on earth with that name.
  My name is Akhila, means all, the best. It has many meanings and all the 99 names of Allah can safely be translated as Akhila. That means Quran says to pray me five times a day. Again my middle name is Chandra. And Mohammed went to moon to see Allah. So again its another proof.
  
  Some one said Allah is unborn, so my claim is wrong.
  I asked him, “do you agree Allah can do anything ? ” he replied yes. Then I said, why cant Allah come as human on earth ? You are doing shrik….
  
  Lol…………
  
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Tina December 10, 2011 At 3:28 am

Read this, this is better analysis of how fraud they are: Zakir Naik and Abdul Haque Vidyarthi Exposed
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Prasadh51229.htm

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- hyder December 10, 2011 At 1:30 pm
  
  Atharva Veda 12:5:62 Kill the people by cutting them by tearing them by burning them into ashes by blowing those who reject the Vedas.
  
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hyder December 10, 2011 At 1:42 pm

Hey Idol Worshipers look what your Vedas says :- If Circumambulating and Kissing means Idol worship then the Vedas strictly commands to worship Idols
Rig Veda 7.1.16 This is the Agni invoked in many places: Whom the prince, presenting oblations to, kindles, whom the ministrant priest circumambulates at sacrifices.
Rig Veda 5.60.1 …circumambulating (the fire), may I exalt the praise of the Maruts.
Rig Veda 4.6.4-5 …Agni, the offerer of the oblation, ancient and multiplying (the offerings) thrice circumambulates (the victim) like a keeper of cattle…Agni, the sacrifices, the exhilarator, the sweet spoken, the object of the sacrifice, moving measuredly, circumambulates (the victim) of his own (accord)…
Rig Veda 10.80.5 With songs of praise the Rsis call on Agni; on Agni, heroes worsted in the foray. Birds flying in the region call on Agni around a thousand cattle Agni wanders.
The above two verses says Agni circumambulated thousand cattle, Does that mean Agni worshipped cattle?
[Horace] Rig Veda 1.144.1 The ministering priest, (qualified) by experience, and possessing exalted and graceful devotion, proceeds (to celebrate) his, (Agni’s), worship,having circumambulated (the altar), he takes up the ladles which are first to present the oblations.
Rig Veda 10.114.4 With simple heart I have beheld him from anear: his Mother kisses him and he returns her kiss
The Vedas talks about circumambulating Agni and other things, if circumambulation is worship then Arya Samajis are Idol worshipers because they circumambulate cattle, Maruts (Air), Agni etc. which are born out of Prakriti and we can touch and see them (except for air), Also if kissing is an act of worship then the Vedas says to worship son and mother as it talks about kiss between the mother and son+. According to Islamic perspective invoking other things besides Allah like invoking Stone, Fire, Earthly gods… is Shirk and the Vedas speaks about invoking Agni
Rig Veda1.12.2 With callings ever they invoke Agni, Agni, Lord of the House,…

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- hyder December 10, 2011 At 1:43 pm
  
  continued…….
  Rig Veda1.12.2 With callings ever they invoke Agni, Agni, Lord of the House, Oblation-bearer, much beloved
  Rig Veda 5.28.6 Invoke and worship Agni while the sacrificial rite proceeds…
  Rig Veda 3.26.2 That Agni, bright, Vaisvanara, we invoke for help, and Matarisvan worthy of the song of praise…
  Now some Hindus might argue that this is not Idol worship, Even if we admit this is not Idol worship as per definition given by Maharishi Agniveer of Agniveer Samaj then it is a major sin according to Yajur Veda 40.9 which says not to worship the things born out of Prakriti (Material, Nature, Matter…), And even a child knows Fire (Agni) is born out of Prakriti
  Sam Veda 1.1.1.9 When he enkindles Agni, man should with his heart attend the song:I kindle Agni till he glows.
  
  According to the early Muslim scholars believing Allah is embodied is Idol worship[13] and Vedas speaks of organs of deities
  Rig Veda 1.62.12 Strong God, the riches which thy hands have holden from days…
  Atharva Veda 11.1.12 Rest in the roaring frame of wood: be parted from husk and chaff, ye Sacrificial Fibres. May we surpass in glory all our rivals. I cast beneath my feet the men who hate us.
  Yajur Veda 4.10 … Thou art the womb of Indra…
  Yajur Veda 11. 29 … the womb of Agni…
  Atharva Veda 3.13.4 One only God set foot on you flowing according to your will
  Rig Veda 1.82.6 With holy prayer I yoke thy long-maned pair of Bays: come hitherward; thou holdest them in both thy hands.
  Rig Veda 10.82.6 It rested set upon the Unborn’s navel, that One wherein abide all things existing.
  Rig Veda 10.90.12 The Brahman was his mouth, of both his arms was the Rajanya made. His thighs became the Vaisya, from his feet the Sudra was produced
  Rig Veda 4.32.23 Like two slight images of girls, unrobed, upon a new-wrought post, So shine the Bay Steeds in their course.
  This implies Idols were created during the Vedic period and could also be worshiped for concentration, This verse is used by the Orthodox Hindu scholars to show Idol…
  
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  - hyder December 10, 2011 At 1:44 pm
    
    continued…….
    This implies Idols were created during the Vedic period and could also be worshiped for concentration, This verse is used by the Orthodox Hindu scholars to show Idol Worship in Vedas.
  - Truth Seeker December 12, 2011 At 12:50 pm
    
    @Hyder
    Vrishch Pra Vrishch Sam Vrishch Daha Pradaha Sam Daha.”
    (Atharvaveda mantra 12/5/62)
    
    Meaning:- Oh! Ved Vanni , you (Vrishch) cut down the person who criticizes [against] Vedas i.e., those who are against the Vedas. (Pra Vrishch) tear apart (Sam Vrishch) rip apart (Daha) burn (Pradaha) set on fire (Sam Daha) reduce to ashes. So, we must try our level best to know Vedic eternal philosophy which emanates directly from Almighty God. Vedas are not sects and hence are universally applicable to all mankind. Dharma is not made by human-beings. It has already been made by Almighty God in Vedas. Whether we accept or do not accept but truth prevails.
    
    Here this Mantra signify that Monstrous who act against Veda teachings like Raavan, Kans, Duryodhan, Hitler, Mohamad, Osama, Kasab should be killed immediately.
    I challenge you please show me one thing in Veda which is wrong and should not be practiced.
  - hyder December 12, 2011 At 1:48 pm
    
    @ Truth Seeker
    This means those who criticize Vedas should be killed in a very brutal manner.ie all Muslims,Christians and other people from other religion had to be killed as per Vedic god.This itself clearly prove that Vedas are not from god.Vedas clearly announce to its followers to kill those who don’t follow it.This is called terrorism and from this we can clearly say the god mentioned in Vedas is a terrorist.
    “I challenge you please show me one thing in Veda which is wrong and should not be practiced.” – The Atharvaveda mantra 12/5/62 is now proved to be wrong,illogical and unscientific.
    I challenge you to justify this and then we will have discussion about other religious books.If you can’t justify this don’t say Qur’an also has this that etc.
  - Akhila Padhi December 15, 2011 At 4:12 pm
    
    Dear Hyder, what you missed out is the word “Ved Vani”. And all those mentioned following will be done by Ved vani. Ved says how to deal with fire, if you fail to follow right path you will be burn to ashes. Similar for other ways of death mentioned in this verse. Enjoy reading.
Spirit December 11, 2011 At 12:45 pm

Hyder, ur heaven is nothing than a brothel. Just imagine when ur momin father vl hav 72 houris how u ud feel abt ur father? How will ur mother think then? I m not trying to demean u. But these are problms vch islam cant solve. U raised qustions abt hinduism. I dnt believe in hinduism. I believe in humanity. And vedas r ultimate, pure and unchangable scriptures. U just copied from inauthentic source. Geting assurance of 72 houris may appeal to lacherous ppl but not to me.

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- hyder December 11, 2011 At 3:35 pm
  
  @ Spirit,
  If there is no explanation the same answer you are repeating ” inauthentic source”.
  Please give the correct meaning of these mantras.
  
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Bagyaraj December 11, 2011 At 7:36 pm

Meaning of om saanthi saanthi saanthi in Vedas
The first saanthi is known as the peace within our body (aadhyaatmeeka saanthi). That is the biochemical system of the body functions peacefully.
The second saanthi is the aadhiboudheeka saanthi, which is the peace around us, in family, in our house and in the offices where we work and the place where we occupy, even if it is for a meeting.
Adhi devathaa saanthi, it is the third peace in the celestial bodies and celestial phenomenon like, wind, sun, moon, clouds, forest, mountains and so on.
Thus for the peaceful life and existence of anything and everything on this earth there should be three types of saanthies. If anywhere, these three are violated, the life system will get disturbed and the system becomes imbalanced. The individual life, family life, social life and national life and international peace will be affected, if there exist a conflict among these.

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Spirit December 11, 2011 At 8:11 pm

Hyder, u got it wrong. Plz mention the successive mantras of every mantra those u mentioned. Ur english translation is weak. I again challenge u for a debate on quran . Do u accept? Ur quran will b proved wrong. Do u hav guts?

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- hyder December 12, 2011 At 10:55 am
  
  @ Spirit,
  OK explain me what is the mantra in Atharva Veda 12:5:62.Then we will start debate and i will prove that your Vedas are the worst.
  
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