(Note: This article specifically focuses on those mindsets that support birth-based caste discrimination. So our language and criticism be understood only in light of this heinous practice and for their advocates and not any person, community or caste in general. We consider casteism as worst form of terrorism and their perpetrators as the Dasyus. But rest of us – regardless of they being upper or lower caste as per fake manmade divisions – are one family-one-race -one caste for us. We request readers to not consider this article to be addressed to anyone with this Vedic mindset of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam.) 

Some facts about caste system that we all should know and think about:

(Please read it as continuation of our series and especially the article http://agniveer.com/5276/vedas-caste-discrimination/

Who is Brahmin?

What is most ridiculous about birth-based caste system is that it is based on unverifiable word of mouth. There is no way to decipher if Brahmins of today are actually children of Brahmins of yesteryears. Regardless of whatsoever Gotra or Rishi name one may utter, there is no way to test the veracity of the claim.

We have already seen plenty of examples of how varna migration used to happen in ancient India. Refer http://agniveer.com/888/caste-system/

What if I say that Brahmins (birth-based) of today are actually worse than Shudras because they were born of Chandals some 1000 years ago? How can one refute the claim? If you cite that this Brahmin family is of Bharadwaj gotra, I would ask for DNA testing to verify the claim. In absence of it, any claim to superior caste remains merely an empty tall claim.

Who is Kshatriya?

Parshuram is alleged to have wiped off all Kshatriyas several times. So obviously Kshatriyas of today are anything but Kshatriyas by birth! 

If one tracks the genealogy of Rajputs, they are supposed to belong to one of the following lineages – Suryavanshi from Sun, Chandravanshi from Moon and Agnikula from fire. Obviously no one actually came from sun or moon on earth! Also Agnikula is a recent origin. Legend says that Agnikula Rajputs sprang from fire when Parashuram wiped off entire Kshatriya or Rajput clan from earth. On many Rajput clans, there is still confusion on whether it is Suryavanshi, Chandravanshi or Agnikula.

Obviously these recent legends – not to be find in any ancient texts – mean that various people who took up the profession of valour/ military became recognized as Rajputs from time to time.

Upper-castes may be Chandals

So if some so-called upper castes can claim some other humans to be lower-caste, even I can assert that these lower-castes are the real Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas. And the upper-castes are actually children of Chandals who usurped power centuries ago and deleted historical records. The recorded history mixed with miraculous stories of origin of certain castes and tribes would only support this assertion.

Now if that sounds insulting, even calling any human being as lower-caste is equally offensive, if not more. 

Who are Mlechhas among us?

From evident records of history one knows that Greeks, Huns, Sakas, Mongols etc have been assimilating in Indian society in positions of power. Many of them even had rules over certain parts of India for significant periods and today it is impossible to decipher who among us is a Greek, Hun, Mongol etc. This goes well with the Vedic concept of ‘one humanity-one race’ but blows the very foundations of birth-based caste system. Because for them, these Mlecchas are even worse than the 4 castes!

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Genres: Religion, Society
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In search of technique for caste determination

Thus forget about caste-system being supported or denied by Vedas. Even that is secondary. We have already seen that Vedas in fact against the very notion of birth-based on gender based discrimination. Refer http://agniveer.com/5276/vedas-caste-discrimination/. What is more important is that there is no way for any of us to determine who among us is actually a high caste and a low caste by genealogy since inception of Vedas. Apart from hollow self-proclaimed assertions, there is nothing more concrete to take anyone’s caste seriously!

So if Vedas were to justify birth-based caste system, they should also have specified a reliable technique to decide someone’s caste. In absence of that technique, the whole concept of birth-based caste system falls flat.

So at best one can say that caste system may have been relevant during inception of Vedas, but has no meaning whatsoever today!

Our stand by the way (based purely on Vedas and logic), is that caste system was never relevant and in fact a distortion of Vedic ideology. And this has been the most expensive distortion for our society that snatched away our entire dignity, strength and future!

What’s in a name?

Please also note that the whole concept of using Name and Surname is hardly a few centuries old. You will not find mention of any ‘Ram Suryavanshi’ or ‘Krishna Yadav’ in ancient literature. Even today, a vast majority adopted a surname based on profession or village or city. South Indians typically use a combination of parental name, village name etc. There are hardly any surnames today which are carried on since inception of Vedas.

The very fact that ancient society discouraged use of surnames implies that people were supposed to be respected for their talents and merits, and not for their birth-stamp. Neither people had to carry caste certificates nor was travel to far off places discouraged as it happened in dark ages of Hinduism. So there was no way for anyone to verify anyone’s caste. The talent of a person was his only caste! Of course distortions did came up over a period of time out of selfish motives. We see that now Bollywood and Politics have also become birth-based. So no wonder similar factors prevailed to strengthen the irrational caste system. But nonetheless, the foundations and verification of castes have always remained utterly unreliable.

Even if someone asserts that Sharma is an old surname for Brahmins, the evidence of people using it compulsorily in Ramayana or Mahabharat era is disputable. So at best we can say that we assume someone to be a Sharma Brahmin because he or she uses such a surname. Or maybe his father and grandfather also used this surname. What if I adopt Sharma surname and my son follows the suit. How would you tell whether I am actually a Chandal or Brahmin? You will have to only rely on my claim. And would I be a fool to admit that actually I am from a generation of Chandals, when being a Brahmin gives me so many exclusive rights and privileges?

The attacks of medieval ages

The thousand years of invasion by fanatic tribals of West and Central Asia witnessed virtually entire cities being raped. Women have been the prime targets throughout this darkest era of Indian history. When looters like Qasim, Ghori, Ghazni, Timur would invade, they would make sure that not even one home is spared whose females were not raped by their soldiers. Delhi itself had been thus ruined several times. The entire north and western India passage from Central Asia has been subject to this tyranny for centuries. May such tragedy may never befall on any society. But our forefathers have witnessed it. Now what would be children of such victims be called except outcastes as per the so-called caste system? But that has thankfully not been the case.

Our seers knew that women are a vulnerable target in adverse situations. So they stipulated in Manu Smriti that a woman, howsomuch fallen, can become noble if the husband is noble. But husband should ensure that he never falls down.

It was this dictum that motivated men to protect the dignity of their womenfolk and god forbid, if something adverse happen, they would still accept the women and start life afresh. Widows would remarry and rape victims would rehabilitate. Had this not been the case, after a few attacks by invaders, we would already have become a society dominated by outcastes!

Of course, in later period, fake glamorization of woman’s dignity started happening that left only death, torture or prostitution as options available for a widow or rape victim. This foolishness only made us even more impotent.

Some birth-based upper-castes may justify that this indeed had been the case that rape victims became outcastes. If that be so, we would only say that this is limit of perversion.

….to be continued at http://agniveer.com/5415/reality-of-caste-system-2/
This post is also available in Hindi here http://agniveer.com/5846/the-reality-of-caste-system-hi/

No Caste System in Hinduism

No Caste System in Hinduism

Author:
Series: Discover Hinduism, Book 2
Genres: Religion, Society
First ever book on the misconceptions of birth based caste system in Hinduism! This book will dispel all myths and establish the principles of social equality that form the foundations of Hinduism. More info →
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Krishnarao
Krishnarao
1 year 7 months ago
I find it hypocritical that Christians love to talk about caste in Hinduism as a way to bash Hindus, but they don’t address the big issue in their own Christian majority countries. Like rasism. To this day you still have cops in the US murdering young black boys. Almost every… Read more »
Krishnarao
Krishnarao
1 year 7 months ago

And the Vedas do not mention caste at all. It is a made up concept by evil people. Vedas talk about the equality of humanity. Simple as that.

Kannan
Kannan
2 years 5 months ago
If you say that they were relevant during “inception” of the Veda, then you are essentially putting Veda into a time frame. Be definition the Vedas are without beginning or end and are not the creation of any person, human or otherwise. They exist eternally. Secondly, “They are not relevant… Read more »
A H
2 years 8 months ago

caste is not decided by birth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJdT8FSm8Ik

surya
surya
2 years 9 months ago
Muslims should get clarifications from coreligionists on their brutality. So MUSLIMS should talk to muslims first. Please google and youtube seach these names and sites to get enlightened. Ali Sina (Iran), Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Somalia), Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem, Ibn Warraq, and others also are vocal critics of their faith.… Read more »
PranavJagdish
PranavJagdish
3 years 5 months ago
“Hindus Living in Denial” Hinduism’s biggest ill has been its caste system….denying it is making a joke of history….the scriptures recommended it hence it existed….there existed castes more lower than Shudra Hindus today will jump to conclusions that heir religion was the best! Heres the thing abou mlechas….so unscientific and… Read more »
Jay
Jay
3 years 5 months ago

Note to non-Hindus, please stop pretending to be Hindus when your write your anti Hindu comments. It is so pathetic and obvious. Have some guts and write with your own names and openly state that you are from another faith.

dogra
dogra
3 years 5 months ago
Oh please can you even state the scriptures and show facts. Cmon state yoyr facts not what you want to think,: 1) Can you even explain why there are even male and female forms of God, and what does this state? 2) Cann you state why these historians spoke such… Read more »
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Roy
Roy
4 years 10 days ago
Keeping to the topic of caste. First the word itself is not Indian in origin, but Portuguese. “Casta is an Iberian word (existing in Spanish, Portuguese and other Iberian languages since the Middle Ages), meaning “lineage”, “breed” or “race.” It is derived from the older Latin word castus, “chaste,” implying… Read more »
Roy
Roy
4 years 10 days ago

For those of you interested in learning more about Varna (NOT caste) and Jati (NOT caste) you may be interested in The Hindu Mind by Bansi Pandit http://www.amazon.com/The-Hindu-Mind-Bansi-Pandit/dp/0963479849

When I read this book a lot of things were cleared, and clarified.

Tushar Sharma
Tushar Sharma
4 years 2 months ago
Hi, No caste system in Aryas ever. Did you find anywhere the Sir Name of ancient scholars? Is this simple logic not enough to prove that these ideas started in middle age? Selfish People converted Varna system to Caste system and cooked new Ideas… Varna system is about what you… Read more »
ashish_astro
ashish_astro
4 years 2 months ago
Mughals and afghans did the same, what their Prophet did in his time ! Taking non-muslim girls as sex-slaves, also selling them into Slave market. Its so hypocrite of you muslims. You people are on denial. And homosexuality is banned on earth , not in heaven.. dont ask me to… Read more »
Roy
Roy
4 years 10 days ago
You are correct about slavery in Islam. Mohammed himself was a slave holder, and never abolished it. In Islam, Muslims are not allowed to enslave other Muslims, but are allowed to enslave infidels. I would suggest to read Bernard Lewis Race and Slavery in the Middle East. Everyone is aware… Read more »
Roy
Roy
4 years 10 days ago

Here is more on Mohammed and Slavery http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=672:humanitarian-muhammad-did-muhammad-abolish-slavery&catid=73:brahmachari&Itemid=58

FYI Saudi Arabia abolished slavery only in the 1960s under pressure of American President John F. Kennedy. Muslim majority places like Mauritania slavery still exists.

Roy
Roy
4 years 10 days ago

Muslim slavery in Sudan that went on for years within OUR time. One former enslaved Sudanese man Simon Deng speaks http://www.islam-watch.org/component/content/article/85-islam-watch/1079-former-sudanese-slave-simon-deng-on-islamic-jihad-enslavement-of-infidels-in-sudan.html

razix
razix
4 years 7 months ago
I have recently posted some comments in Times of India. I have been refuting hatred and overtures by some evangelical christians who were taking advantage of our problems with Pakistani muslims and trying to spread christiantity like vultures looking for dead corpses. While my take was to enlighten our muslim… Read more »
Pawan Hardas
Pawan Hardas
4 years 8 months ago

Vedic dharma ki jai

Pawan Hardas
Pawan Hardas
4 years 8 months ago

Vedic dharma ki jai

Pawan Hardas
Pawan Hardas
4 years 8 months ago

Vedic dharma ki jai

Binod Shaw
Binod Shaw
4 years 8 months ago

sabhi bhai, bandhuo aur bhehno ko dpawali ki hardik subhkamnaye.

Binod Shaw
Binod Shaw
4 years 8 months ago

sabhi bhai, bandhuo aur bhehno ko dpawali ki hardik subhkamnaye.

Binod Shaw
Binod Shaw
4 years 8 months ago

sabhi bhai, bandhuo aur bhehno ko dpawali ki hardik subhkamnaye.

Dennis Gopi
Dennis Gopi
4 years 8 months ago

In most countries outside India where indians live this evil has been destroyed ab to hamara matrebhumi baki hai. Log nahin dekh pate hain ki isiliye humara pauranic bhaiyon aur behenon dusra dharma thaam lete hain 🙁 Jo bolo so abhay vaidik dharma ki jai!

Dennis Gopi
Dennis Gopi
4 years 8 months ago

In most countries outside India where indians live this evil has been destroyed ab to hamara matrebhumi baki hai. Log nahin dekh pate hain ki isiliye humara pauranic bhaiyon aur behenon dusra dharma thaam lete hain 🙁 Jo bolo so abhay vaidik dharma ki jai!

Dennis Gopi
Dennis Gopi
4 years 8 months ago

In most countries outside India where indians live this evil has been destroyed ab to hamara matrebhumi baki hai. Log nahin dekh pate hain ki isiliye humara pauranic bhaiyon aur behenon dusra dharma thaam lete hain 🙁 Jo bolo so abhay vaidik dharma ki jai!

Mool Arya
Mool Arya
4 years 8 months ago

sure Agniveerji

Mool Arya
Mool Arya
4 years 8 months ago

sure Agniveerji

Mool Arya
Mool Arya
4 years 8 months ago

sure Agniveerji

Anupam
Anupam
4 years 8 months ago

Absolutely brilliant !!! What to say when people restrict themselves intentionally to be not open minded. Nobody can help a person who lives in belief based systems.

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Akhila Padhi
Akhila Padhi
4 years 10 months ago
May be I can help in translating into Telugu and Odia, I have already translated some articles of Agniveer in Odia language, for some of my friends of this locality, although they are not published, but spoken to many people in Odisha. The problem is getting unicode odia writer. The… Read more »
shravak
shravak
4 years 10 months ago

@Akhila

I too also have very limited knowledge about softwares. May be this link can help you http://www.google.com/transliterate

Akhila Padhi
Akhila Padhi
4 years 10 months ago

I tried this too. But my problem is, these Odia script is not recognised by chrome and IE, but i can accurately comes on mozila

Om Prakash
Om Prakash
4 years 10 months ago

main aapka har lekh aatma se padhana chahta hoon lekin ve sabhi english mein hote hain. durbhagya se english bhasha mujhe aati hi nahi hai. agar ho sake to apne sabhi lekh english ke sath sath hindi mein bhi post karen to iska bahut akhik labh hoga.

Agniveer
4 years 10 months ago

नमस्ते,
हमारी भी यही इच्छा है की हिंदी भाषा में भी सभी लेख प्रकाशित हों. किन्तु हिंदी में अनुवाद एवं टंकण के लिए संसाधन नहीं मिल पा रहे हैं. कोई योग्य व्यक्ति पहचान में हो तो ईमेल से संपर्क करें. हम उसे वेतन पर रखने को तैयार हैं.
प्रबंधक
अग्निवीर.कॉम

Truth Seeker
Truth Seeker
4 years 10 months ago
@अग्निवीर अग्निवीर जी में आपके सभी लेख जो हिंदी में है लोगो तक पहुचाने की हमेशा कोशिश करता रहता हू क्योकि अगर हमें अंध विस्वास, जाति-पर्था, आदि समस्याओ से निपटाना है तो हमें गाव-गाव तक ये लेख पहुचाने होंगे, परन्तु इसके लिए लेखो का हिंदी में होना आवश्यक है! और… Read more »
Akhila Padhi
Akhila Padhi
4 years 10 months ago

Not only in hindi, these have to be translated in other Indian languages too.

Agniveer
4 years 10 months ago

Through third-party editing. But we need someone who can type in unicode font that is used in gmail etc.

shravak
shravak
4 years 10 months ago

Agreed, i am searching a telugu translator. But how would Agniveer verify the version if it is translated exactly(intent)?

raj.hyd
raj.hyd
4 years 10 months ago

param adarniy shri agnveer ji . bada ashchry hai ki apko itne bade hindi kshetra me koi angreji se hindi ka anuvadak nahi mil paya ? jara kis hindi v angreji samachar patr me iska vigyapan dekar dekhiye jarur safalta milegi !apni bhavnao ka asnkhybar dhanyvad !

Apolloreach
Apolloreach
4 years 10 months ago
Team Agniveer, brilliant work. This intellectual forward march against casteism has to be sustained. Every politician will talk about destroying the system but he will do everything to sustain it to stay in business. And I have been engaging many villagers in conversations against casteism. And the fact is that… Read more »
Akhila Padhi
Akhila Padhi
4 years 10 months ago

@ Apolloreach – For last several days I am trying to understand Brihadaranayak Uapnishad 1/4/11 to 16. I fail to understand the importance of verse 16. Will you please let me know ?

aryan soldier
4 years 10 months ago
सब वर्णों में परस्पर पूर्ण सहानुभूति, सहयोग और प्रेम प्रीति का बर्ताव होना चाहिए. इस सूक्त में शूद्रों के प्रति कहीं भी भेद भाव की बात नहीं कहीं गयी हैं. इस सूक्त का एक और अर्थ इस प्रकार किया जा सकता हैं की जब कोई व्यक्ति समाज में ज्ञान के… Read more »
aryan soldier
4 years 10 months ago
http://agniveerfans.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/vedas-and-shudras/ वेद और शुद्र पाश्चात्य विद्वानों जैसे मेक्समूलर, ग्रिफ्फिथ,ब्लूमफिल्ड आदि का वेदों का अंग्रेजी में अनुवाद करते समय हर संभव प्रयास था की किसी भी प्रकार से वेदों को इतना भ्रामक सिद्ध कर दे की हिन्दू समाज का वेदों से विश्वास ही उठ जाये और ईसाई मत के प्रचार प्रसार… Read more »
aryan soldier
4 years 10 months ago
अथर्ववेद १९.६२.१ में प्रार्थना हैं की हे परमात्मा ! आप मुझे ब्राह्मण का, क्षत्रियों का, शूद्रों का और वैश्यों का प्यारा बना दें. इस मंत्र का भावार्थ ये हैं की हे परमात्मा आप मेरा स्वाभाव और आचरण ऐसा बन जाये जिसके कारन ब्राह्मण, क्षत्रिय, शुद्र और वैश्य सभी मुझे प्यार… Read more »
Indian Agnostic
Indian Agnostic
4 years 10 months ago

Brilliant Call , Brilliantly put forward !

Let this be the death of caste system in every open mind that reads this article

NaRuTo
NaRuTo
4 years 10 months ago

Also, this ought to shut the lid on idiots who claim agniveer to be an anti-islamic site.

Belinha
2 years 3 months ago
Both are at fault. One must remember that poinilciats are also Indian citizens.Mud slinging does no good. RBI does good financial parameter tuning which is doing good to the country. The steps by RBI are really good and good for the economy.I look absolutely neutral in these issues and feel… Read more »
Tamilscafe
4 years 10 months ago
@NaRuTo says: “Just I am curious to know, can you please enlighten me a bit in any authentic islamic scriptures such as quron or hadees? promoting Homo sexuality? please don’t give quotes from history of babur etc..or as such..” my apologies NaRuTo, this question was not to post in here.… Read more »
Agniveer
4 years 10 months ago
@ Tamilscafe: We have never stated in any article that Islam supports homosexuality. What we have said is that since Islam does not support homosexuality and considers it worst of a sin punishable by death, Babur can be anything but Muslim considering his proud admission of homosexuality in his own… Read more »
Tamilscafe
4 years 10 months ago
@ Agniveer, Just last comment in this regard on this post, I never said that I read on your article (may be I need to read more of your articles to verify it), I thought when I read comments reflecting such meanings gives some responsibility to the admin as well… Read more »
Agniveer
4 years 10 months ago
Dear Tamilscafe, We offered an explanation to your comment only to ensure that no one interprets it to be Agniveer’s view. We don’t have a restrictive comment policing policy. We encourage free discussions and only intervene when either some comments are reported, found abusive or may provoke violence. Beyond that… Read more »
KalBhairav
KalBhairav
4 years 10 months ago

This is just for clarification, further discussions may happen on relevant post but not here as this article has a completely different focus.

Ah…skipped reading this…Sorry. Let us indeed attempt to maintain thread purity…otherwise threads just end up debating everything under the sun.

My bad.

KalBhairav
KalBhairav
4 years 10 months ago

@Tamilscafe:

How can Islam support homosexuality? Allah himself took special pains to massacre homosexuals in Lot’s village. Please read Surah 7 and Surah 26 for more details.

NaRuTo
NaRuTo
4 years 10 months ago

Incredible & powerful writing agniveerji. Your clarity of purpose is overwhelming. This one is going to create a ruckus in orthodox circles.

Faizi, shaikh, shabeer : please read this article thoroughly.

Slave of Vedas
Slave of Vedas
3 years 3 months ago
ARYA SAMARPAN GEET Hey Ishwar kya tera diya Sundar Varna hai Hiro ke kimat ko jhuka de Aisa yeh dharma hai Agar Brahman Chunu toh Vedo ki mahima Vishwa mein faila du Kshatriya Chunu toh apno ka jivan apne prana dekar bhi raksha karu Vaishya Chunu toh Priyejano ke daridrata… Read more »
striving to becom a good muslim
striving to becom a good muslim
4 years 10 months ago
@naruto, you read first what he had written regarding babar, aurangzeb rahmatullah alaih, sher tipusultan. if rani lakshmi bai is fighting for her reign then she was rani of jhansi,, khoob lari mardani woh to jhansi wali rani thi.. when tipusultan fight against british and maratha looters(marathas always supported british… Read more »
NaRuTo
NaRuTo
4 years 10 months ago
Brother Striving, if you had carefully gone through those articles, you would have seen agniveer substantiating his arguements with authentic evidences.You are most welcome to counter him in the comments sections in those articles with authentic proof from your own side. But I fail to get this: the history of… Read more »
NaRuTo
NaRuTo
4 years 10 months ago

…and Tipu the sher my ass. He was a barbarian extrodinaire. There are ample evidences from historians about his antics in the name of islam.

Tushar Sharma
Tushar Sharma
4 years 2 months ago
Zk and NaRuTo , I suppose Aurangzeb (Babar’s successor), so called Vali of Muslim community, and was also Mughal. Can you please justify famous murder case of Sikh Guru’s children in the light of your religious book? He offered them to accept Islam before putting them into Walls, but Great… Read more »
NaRuTo
NaRuTo
4 years 10 months ago

….and as far as I have understood man-love-man is punishable by death in islam. Where did you get the idea that homosexuality is promoted in islam?

Although, up in the heavens, it is a whole different story. The virgins apart, there are young boys too. 😛

NaRuTo
NaRuTo
4 years 10 months ago
@ tamil cafe: I am not getting what you are trying to say. If you are referring to what striving was saying, I said: * Historians have well documented the atrocities of these invaders. References were given in agniveer. Please check “Islam spread by sword” article by Rushmore in satyagni.… Read more »
Tamilscafe
4 years 10 months ago

@NaRuTo says:

Just I am curious to know, can you please enlighten me a bit in any authentic islamic scriptures such as quron or hadees? promoting Homo sexuality? please don’t give quotes from history of babur etc..or as such..

shravak
shravak
4 years 10 months ago

@Raja

Perhaps, people who learn the history lessons from madarassa are bound to glorify these barbarians. they feel proud on the rapists/murderers of their ancestors.

Zk
4 years 2 months ago
Raja, Sepeculations are not a good way to talk about anything. Most Muslim dislike Mughal they twisted Islam the way they like to help grow their interst. Most people lack sufficient knowledge on History to debate this.. They are lot of Hate website that put forth this kind of Speculation.… Read more »
Tushar Sharma
Tushar Sharma
4 years 2 months ago
Zk, Please tell us the list of Mughals whom Muslims don’t like. I suppose Aurangzeb (Babar’s successor), so call Vali by Muslim community, and was also Mughal. Can you please justify famous murder case of Sikh Guru’s children in the light of your religious book? He offered them to accept… Read more »
Raja
4 years 10 months ago
What makes you so biased? Does Islam permit homosexuality and killing of innocents? If not, how can Babur, Tipu and Aurangzeb be representatives of Islam? Agniveer is not the only one to condemn them. Listen to Hassan Nisar who calls all Muslim rulers as brutal invaders. Why do you see… Read more »
striving to becom a good muslim
striving to becom a good muslim
4 years 10 months ago
@raja, do u know who is hasan nissar? really i dont know. there are famous historians like romilla thapar & B N pandey, they have written books regarding aurangzaib rehmatulla alaih and sher-e-hind tipu sultan if any body want i cansend just give ur address. sri bn pandey,s book name… Read more »
NaRuTo
NaRuTo
4 years 10 months ago

Brother striving, if you want to continue your discussion on mughal invaders, please continue it in the respective article’s comment section. Please dont divert the message of this article.Already the vedas-hatred comment section is filled with your non-vegetarian jokes(pardon my pun :P). Thanks.

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