- Why I am proud to be Hindu? Part 2
- Why I am proud to be Hindu? Part 1
- Fountainhead of all philosophies – Vedas
- Common questions on Vedic religion
- What is Vedic religion?
- Religion of Vedas
*Let us now analyze some of the wrong answers discussed earlier in http://agniveer.com/5095/what-is-vedic-religion/ and understand some worth-knowing aspects of Vedic religion.
How is Vedic religion different from Hinduism?
Hinduism is another term for Vedic religion. Basically Hinduism refers to the philosophy that emerged from Hindusthan or Indian sub-continent that is built on foundation of universal humanism and pursuit of inner intellect.
Name does not matter. You may call it Vedic religion, Hinduism or simply Humanism. What matters is the essence. This essence is same for every human being – be he or she belong to India, or Zambia, or Sweden or Saudi Arabia.
One would still continue to be called Vedic or Hindu or true Human even if he or she has never visited India or read any Indian text but still follows the basic tenet of rejecting falsehood and accepting truth from personal life and is respectful to same spirit in rest of the world.
In short, Vedic Religion or Hinduism refers to the spirit of universal humanism.
Can one refuse to believe in 4 Vedas and yet be follower of Vedic religion?
Yes. And several reasons for this.
– There is not one single mantra in entire Vedas that even remotely say that only those who believe in 4 Vedas are following Vedic religion. Yes, there are mantras that explain and lead us to conclude that Vedic religion and content of the 4 Vedas – both refer to same thing.
– The 4 Vedas contain codes of higher levels of truth. They are like detailed texts of Physics that contain very obvious concepts as well as more subtle concepts that can be mastered only after thorough practice and understanding. They are the foundation or first source of this Vedic religion. But just as a student of Class 6 claiming to know Physics merely because he mugged up the Einstein Paper on Theory of Relativity (that can be easily downloaded from google) would only be a subject of our laughter, in same vein, if someone claims to believe in 4 Vedas without actually knowing what Vedas mean would be equally laughable.
Most people claiming adherence to Vedic religion today actually fall in this category. And that is why despite their tall claims, they remain in miserable state in terms of their strength and impact on society.
An honest smart Vedic follower would simply assert that if we logically analyze the available information, we can conclude that Vedas are not some random creations by certain human beings and instead contain storehouse of basic to most advanced level of knowledge. And if that not be considered, then every other theory would have blatant contradictions and confusions to an extent that it would be impossible to decide what is right and what is wrong. And hence we should endeavor to explore the meaning of Vedas.
But this would come ONLY as a conclusion of a thought process and not as a blind dogma to begin with.
– There may be several reasons – previous knowledge, past experiences, thinking capacity, preferences etc – that would color the thinking process of an individual and hence it would not be as obvious for everyone to accept Vedas as divine or ultimate texts, as it may be for a few of us.
– Swami Dayanand once said that not everyone can be scholars but everyone can be Dharmic (honest) for sure. So if one is honest to his or her best intentions by denying infallibility of Vedas, he or she is STILL Vedic. In fact they are MORE Vedic than those blind herds who follow Vedas simply because they were told so. Had such blind followers would have been born in some other location, they may well have become blind followers of some other texts.
– If believing in Vedas be necessary to be follower of Vedic religion, it would mean that those who could not get access to books of 4 Vedas due to geography or poverty etc can never be followers of Vedic religion. Thus Vedic religion becomes religion of ONLY the fortunate ones. And hence, the claim of Supreme in Vedas itself that the knowledge of Vedas is for all human beings regardless of gender or profession or birth goes wrong!
– In reality, the whole concept of 4 Vedas is that the knowledge within them is already within us in same manner as spokes are attached to center of a wheel. By exercising the powers of our mind smartly, we reveal the knowledge that already lies within us! Refer Yajurveda 34.5. So the study of 4 Vedas externally is also a way to unravel the knowledge within. One can do so by mugging up 4 external Vedas or shouting Kalmas asserting one’s loyalty towards it. Or start with the most innate trait of rejecting falsehood proactively, keep gaining knowledge and performing worthwhile actions to build the basic foundation. And then guided by the inner voice, move ahead to master even the external 4 Vedas or whatever else is deemed necessary for achieving higher echelons of truth by a smarter soul.
In today’s context, this later way is much more natural and practical for most of us. Even someone like Swami Dayanand had to follow this approach to be the most renowned scholar of Vedas.
– While many mantras of Vedas have fairly intuitive meanings that are easy to be grasped by most of us, yet all mantras do contain deeper meanings that can be unraveled only with further and further mind control. There is a mantra that states that just as a loyal wife only comes close to her husband, in same manner meaning of Vedic mantras are understood only by the deserving. So no one on earth can claim to have understood the Vedas properly. Everyone is just a preliminary student. And hence, no one is competent enough in first place to put precondition of allegiance to Vedas – the ultimate benchmarks – for someone to adopt Vedic religion. This would be as foolish as refusing someone admission in primary school because he did not admit that sin^2y + cos^2y = 1!
So yes, belief in 4 Vedas as divine or benchmarks of wisdom may be a natural conclusion for many of us. But this is NOT a precondition to be admitted to school of Vedic religion.
The precondition is only ONE – Accept truth by rejecting falsehood!
Can one refuse to believe in God and still be follower of Vedic religion?
Yes, and the reasons are almost same as above. Further there is an additional reason:
– Vedic God is different from God of Bible, Quran or Purans. Most people when they refuse to believe in God are actually refusing to accept superstitions in name of God as propagated in name of religion. The anathema of West against God is only for the God of Bible. This is justifiable because God of Bible has many contradictory properties and at times acts like a mortal human being. But Vedic God is different. In fact God may not be the right word to denote the Vedic concept of Supreme.
The Vedic concept is much more intuitive and natural – that there is a source of unchangeable laws of the world that govern this world and us. Physicists may simply call it Law of Nature. Now a smart Vedic follower adds a dash of positivity into this and says that this source of unchangeable laws is acting in a manner that we can enhance our happiness through right actions. We are neither left in lurch like orphans nor allowed to escape fruits of our action. So there is a well-founded optimism that the laws of nature ensure justice and support. We believe so because we see this very obvious in world around and in our innate tendencies.
But someone intellectual who was nurtured in a society that had completely different notions of a Supreme entity – an anthropomorphic entity, or a moody emperor, or a magician etc – may find such a God hard to digest. And it would be difficult for him to dissociate word God from this meaning and give it a new meaning in perspective of Vedas. For example, Arya is a very noble word. But in Germany, people would somehow try to link it with some sort of racism because of the Hitler episode. These words trigger certain emotions due to their previous associations and hence difficult for many to appreciate any new meaning easily.
Thus atheism is a natural and rightly-directed aversion of a truth-seeker from what his mind considers as unfounded notions. So in being atheist, he or she is STILL acting as a loyal follower of Vedic religion.
In other words, a truth-seeking atheist or agnostic or even a superstitious believer in some other notion of God is STILL a Vedic person, if he or she believes in these notions honestly after whatever experience, expertise, intellect that they possess at a given moment in time.
Yes. We have already discussed some reasons above. Let us add a few more:What about Havan, Sandhya etc? Can one be Vedic without adopting these healthy practices?
– Havan and Sandhya are very healthy practices but their nature and method is geography and time bound. Havan means burning useful products to purify environment. Sandhya is a form of meditation and self-suggestion to gain stronger spiritual powers. Now Vedas do not prescribe a specific method of conducting these. Their form and methods have varied over ages. So to associate Vedic religion with any such ritualistic practice would be against the very essence of Vedas.
– But yes, Havan and Sandhya are powerful techniques for a healthy mind, body and environment being practiced since ages. Depending upon one’s intellect level and past experiences, one may take time to understand their significance and right customized method suited to one’s own level. But till that happens, only a dogmatic mind would outcast such a person from Vedic religion. On contrary, dogmatics have no place in Vedic religion.
So while one can say that Havan, Sandhya, waking early, brushing teeth, exercising, proper hygiene are hallmarks of a rational well-intentioned person, one cannot deny admission to Vedic school to anyone merely because his background did not allow him to appreciate the benefits of these practices.
– Further Vedas contain hundreds of healthy recommendations for us all. I would say that Havan and Sandhya are among the least emphasized ones. Virtues like early morning routine, having a muscular strong body through strenuous exercising, not compromising an inch in matters of principles and morality, working proactively for uplift of nation and destruction of its enemies etc are more emphasized ones. So one can then choose another set of recommendations (like 5 mile jogging and 40 pushups daily) and start terminating Havan/ Sandhya compliant students from school of Vedic religion!
The simple point is that all these are next levels in specific subjects, but not entry-exit criteria for Vedic religion.
So you mean Arya Samaj is not necessarily follower of Vedic religion?
Arya Samaj etymologically means a society of noble persons. So from this perspective, all people who follow Vedic religion are also Arya Samaji.
Now Swami Dayanand Saraswati started Arya Samaj in late 19th century to unite intellectual people into worthy actions. Thus his criteria were not the most preliminary but a more intermediate level so that they could not only act as followers of right principles but as well be teachers of these principles. So all intermediate to advanced students of Vedic religion formed the Arya Samaj. He thus formulated a 10 point principles of Arya Samaj.
But he even attempted to attract the more basic students through a variety of means. He had in his various other ventures, even those people who did not adopt all the principles of Arya Samaj but yet were right-intentioned aka followers of Vedic religion. Thus his Paropkarini Sabha had even someone like Justice Ranade who was a noble person but not member of Arya Samaj as formulated by Swami Dayanand.
Cutting the story short, all those who sincerely understand and believe in 10 principles of Arya Samaj are undoubtedly followers of Vedic religion. They are in fact worthy lighthouse of society and they proved so by initiating various social reforms and freedom movement in India. Swami Dayanand wanted to address imminent needs of the society and Arya Samaj represents those eligible students of Vedic religion who had potential to act as torch bearers. Who possessed a minimal level of intellect, knowledge and dedication. Who could act as leaders of rest of the society.
But this does not preclude other noble souls who did not explicitly believe in 10 principles of Arya Samaj because of a variety of reasons, as discussed in previous sections, from being termed as great followers of Vedic religion. Thus all freedom fighters, social reformers, soldiers who sacrificed their lives for Mother nation are all proud examples of Vedic religion. All scientists who put their best efforts to unravel mysteries of nature through an honest thinking process were also great examples of Vedic religion.
Note that it is never that someone is either follower of Vedic religion or not a follower of Vedic religion. This is true for Christian or Muslim. One is either a Muslim or a non-Muslim. Christian or a non-Christian. But one can be Vedic in one aspect of life and non-Vedic in another. Further, the degree of adherence also varies from time to time. So Vedic religion is a light. There is hardly a place that has absolutely zero photons. But intensity of light may vary from place to place and time to time.
For sake of simplicity, we call those people as followers of Vedic religion who proactively invite this light of wisdom in their lives regardless of their existing darkness. Those who at least attempt to open their windows to sunlight regardless of how tight and jam it may be.
Coming back to Arya Samaj, in modern times, Arya Samaj has become a very confusing word. It does etymologically represent society of noble persons and there are many dedicated followers of 10 principles of Arya Samaj as laid out by Swami Dayanand Saraswati. They are indeed great examples of Vedic religion – the more advanced students! However they are individuals.
But there is also an institute or organization named Arya Samaj that runs through huge number of Arya Samaj temples and various organizational bodies etc. Who are very famous in Bollywood for supplying priests for scenes of marriage. And who earn a huge income through marriage of eloped couples. This spineless culture of Arya Samaj is nothing more than a mockery of the legacy of Swami Dayanand and anything but Vedic religion. They may do their Havans, Sandhyas and shout slogans of ‘Vedic Dharma ki Jai’, and hold public meetings attended by big-shots politicians and tycoons. But their intent is well observable from their tangible outputs. There is a fundamental Vedic principle that those who claim to have greater knowledge and capability should also deserve greatest punishment. Refer http://agniveer.com/4272/manu-smriti-and-punishment/.
Another principle states that the frauds should be respected not even by words. So this Arya Samaj – which is nothing more than a grand disorganized kitty party – deserves the lowest marks if one were to score the entire population on Vedic Dharma compatibility.
Our recommendation would be to stay away from kitty-parties if you sincerely want to transform your own life and that of society through adoption of Vedic Dharma or Vedic religion.
I do not agree to all that is written in Satyarth Prakash or in Agniveer site. I have my differences. I find another method of worship effective. Can I still be a follower of Vedic religion?
As we have said earlier, you have your right to differ or even counter not only Agniveer site or Satyarth Prakash – source of most of Agniveer concepts – but also the 4 Vedas. The ONLY criteria is that you should be doing so with genuineness and without bias. The reason to defend something should NOT be that we have been believing so for past several months or years, or because we have given a public statement in its favor, or because it forms basis of our profession, or because we may be ridiculed or punished if we change our stand. The only basis of defending something should be that we honestly believe that it is correct. And yet we should always have one door open for any change that may come tomorrow as we gather new information and process further.
This is a natural way that we all adopt to become mature. Or else, after our brains had fully grown up by age of 4, we would have remained as dumb forever! So Vedic religion is all about being in harmony with nature without bringing false ego in picture!
How is Vedic religion different from other cults or religions?
– All other cults come in package deals. You have certain core beliefs, some books, some prophets, some priests, some rituals and some prophecies. You have to either accept all or be out. Even if you in reality accept only a few components of the package, you still have to publicly announce allegiance to the entire package. So in a way, falsehood is promoted. You must announce your loyalty to what you can neither verify nor logically understand nor find reasonable or face exit.
Vedic religion is made to fit. You believe in only what you find logically sound, reasonable, intuitive and what you can understand right now. You can refuse to claim allegiance to any book, saint, belief etc and yet be Vedic so far you adhere to honesty.
– All other cults work on binary logic. Either you are one of them or an outcast. Vedic religion is not a cult. You are naturally Vedic. And as per your intents, you are less or more Vedic in various aspects of life. Its between you and the Supreme Force (whatever label you may give it – God, Ishwar, Laws of Nature etc) and no one has right to pass judgment on whether you believe in this religion or not.
– Vedic religion is inspired directly by the oldest text of the humankind – the 4 Vedas. It considers only eternal principles and leaves everything that is geography or time specific to wisdom of individual and society. Further, it does not even demand allegiance to 4 Vedas also. Ved means knowledge or enlightenment. So any approach in life that is knowledge seeking is Vedic religion.
– You cannot be a Muslim and Christian at the same time. But you can be a Vedic even though you are a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu or a Jew or whatever.
– While all other religions mean blindly accepting certain sets of assumptions, Vedic religion means being enterprisingly honest.
So your Vedic religion has no basis, no benchmarks, no foundation. One can do whatever he or she wants and still be Vedic. Huh! It is better to be more disciplined by following a cult like Christianity or Islam.
This only reflects that we have become mental prisoners. A prisoner who has been kept in a dark cell finds the sunlight of freedom unbearable. There are true stories of convicts committing suicide because they found free life so uncomfortable. They could not even relieve themselves unless someone blew a whistle! Vedic religion is definitely not for the lovers of prisons. Its all about freeing yourself.
But Vedic religion is also not about being undisciplined. It is, on contrary, all about being RATIONALLY disciplined. So Vedic religion is not about succumbing to lust because you seem to find it most enjoyable in a particular moment and ultimate truth. It is all about applying the mind that has been bestowed to think of the consequences and perform a what-if analysis. What-if everyone in world starts becoming lustful like me. What-if someone becomes lustful for my own mother or sister. What-if the way I enjoy lust, someone else enjoys murder etc etc. And conclude that the truth is that one is the master of mind. That by mastering the mind, one can seek enjoyment in anything he or she desires. So as a smart master of mind, I shall seek far more enjoyment in whatever brings me long term strength, vitality and energy and not vice verse. I shall seek enjoyment in that in which even if all the people of world start seeking enjoyment, still the world becomes only a more beautiful and happy place.
This intellectual growth is far more disciplining than any cult-rituals.
How do I get started?
– You can adopt good rituals from any cult or society and still be Vedic. Being Vedic is no way contradicting to your being a Christian or a Muslim or an Atheist. Simply adopt the best practices and junk the rest. You already do so. Nobody in world can follow each letter of Bible or Quran. That is technically impossible. So you do already customize the books as per your own requirements. Take it a step further. Instead of performing this customization because that was inevitable, do a customization that best fits your needs.
Question everything ruthlessly and ask yourself – why do I follow this? Simply because I was born here, or I was socially adapated to believe so or there is something more? Keep eliminating whatever comes as a wrong answer. Whatever does not fit reason. And then you would have gradually come closure to truth – to a unique customized religion for yourself – specially made for you.
You can keep fine-tuning this tailor-made religion forever in life. Not only would it be a most enjoyable passion but also help you discover the true you. In process, you would have been following Vedic religion all the way.
So, you can start from whatever feels comfortable to you, and keep introspecting to have not only discipline but also elegance in whatever you do.
– Yet another way could be to collect common good points of all religions and reject the cult specific traits. For example, all religions talk of truth, peace, honesty, compassion etc. Grab these points together and this becomes a good starting point to have a customized religion for yourself that is lean and effective.
– For those looking for a ready-made alternative for discipline instead of too much of customizations to begin with, Arya Samaj principles would be a great beginning. Grab a copy of Satyarth Prakash or Light of Truth or contact us!
You can thus have a very rational template of disciplined routine that not only brings discipline but also adds to your health and intelligence. So simply download Satyarth Prakash or Light of Truth. Review it carefully, especially Chapters 7 onwards. Also review all articles on Agniveer. This would provide sufficient beginning material for you to start being a master yourself. If in doubt, contact us.
(Note: this is still only a recommendation and not a compulsion. The beauty of Vedic religion is that there is no compulsion and only enlightenment! All that these articles and Satyarth Prakash do is to compile logical analysis of many a common questions that come in our mind but we are afraid to ask.)
What benefits would Vedic religion give me?
This is same as asking what benefit would water give me or air give me. Your intellectual survival depends only upon your knowledge-enhancement. And for humans, happiness derived from knowledge-enhancements surpasses other forms of enjoyments far many times. It is because of this that humans could have build a civilization and did not waste time only in food, sex and sleep like other animals.
So Vedic religion will help you unlock those levels of happiness that you could never imagine before.
Vedic religion is all about using your will to achieve your goals. A follower of Vedic religion does not leave anything to destiny. You desire and achieve. You learn how to use power of mind to achieve whatever you want. Nothing apart from Vedic religion can teach you this skill better.
Vedic religion makes you totally fearless. You know that nothing except your own intentions can harm you. And you know that your intentions are under your own control. So no one is as daring as a Vedic person. No ghost, no jinna, no omen, no curse, no sight, no threat, no dracula, no witch, no horoscope, no palm-lines can affect him. He is fearlessness incarnate.
Vedic religion ensures you are always positive and futuristic. A Vedic person is never in guilt-traps. He knows that his present is reflection of his intents till previous moment. And his future is shaped by his present intent. He thus uses his present to enforce a positive intent and ensure a bright future. He never wastes time brooding the past or giving up in guilt-traps.
Vedic religion makes you enjoy your relations. You consider everything as a gift from Supreme Force in return of your noble intents so far. You attempt to improve all relations, sincerely love them and think well of them because that is the only way to bring happiness. You do worthwhile deeds for happiness of your family, society and world. And this brings even more happiness. Your happiness thus multiplies. The world becomes a heaven for you full of love and success.
Vedic religion helps you become a complete person. Because you operate at will-power level, you can easily transfer your skills in one area into another. You become an expert all-rounder.
Vedic religion helps you develop a natural resistance against committing stupid and foolish acts. You no more have to resist yourself from lust, greed, frustration, anger, jealousy because of fear of some miraculous power or incentive of greater enjoyments in future. On contrary, Vedic religion teaches you how these stupid acts are actually spies bringing greater trouble. You instead naturally incline towards much more healthy and much more enjoyable sources of short-term and long-term gratification. You no longer have to keep saying sorry and keep doing confessions. You simply enjoy more by acting more smartly by understanding why you should avoid falling in shit.
And above all, Vedic religion gives you ultimate peace and brings you in harmony with nature. You enjoy every moment thousand times more than you ever enjoyed before. Its an enjoyment full of enthusiasm, action, health and energy. Your sleep is peaceful, your waking is enthusing, your actions are dynamic, your thoughts are pure, you health is exemplary and your zeal is infecting on everyone around you. You become definition of peace and enjoyment.
I can keep writing. But its already there for you to experience RIGHT NOW! So what are you waiting for! Start your journey to become a Powerman immediately! All you have to do is to assert your proactive loyalty to the following.
‘I promise to accept truth through a continuous process of rejecting falsehood every moment to best of my abilities in the most sincere manner.’
May you become live examples of the following verse from Rigveda by embracing this Vedic religion:
I have gained such tremendous powers that I am unstoppable by anyone on the planet. Just as powerful horses take away the chariots wherever they desire, I can achieve whatever I aspire for. I can easily destroy the mightiest of challenge that confronts me. I can change the course of history and set the greatest precedence for future. All this has happened because I have decided to follow the path of wisdom. (Rigveda 10.119)
If you are convinced that you would be a a loyal follower of Vedic religion, use the comment section to announce your assertion and inspire others. Remember the corollary that happiness multiplies by sharing!———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
This article is also available in Urdu at http://agniveer.com/common-questions-vedic-religion-ur/
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Hats off! especially to the ‘What-if’ point.
@ roger says:
I agree with you that agniveer covered very well the ‘what if’ scenario!! Do I have to learn sanskrit to recite the mandras mentioned in Veda (please correct me, if I am wrong) ?.
If not, then anyone of you can give me a link to understand and practice vedic scriptures etc in TAMIL?
@Tamilscafe – Brother, it is said in Vedas, and repeated by Bhagaban Krishna that, only by reciting the veda mantras one can not get the bliss. The second mantra of Ishaponishad claims the same too. What is required is understanding the vedic principles and following them. Vedic principle is very clear, “remove all falsehood and accept the truth”. If you have this principle, you are vedic, or you are not.
Regarding the rituals, rituals important for social point of view, and one thing is clear that the festivals and rituals of Tamilnadu are not different from other parts of India.
I have been to Chennai many a times, and I stayed there for one full year, in that year, I witnessed the festivals, and they are nt different, although these are celebrated at different time.
My point is, if you cant recite the sanskrit mantras, no worry, you can get the summary of them easily.
@Akhila Padhi
Brother, I understand your point, but I think you have missed mine which is after understanding the vedic principles and following them etc, I want to use tamil to recite vedic mandras, if at all I like to recite? Can I do that?
In regards to chennai festivals, which festival do you highlighting here, anything specific? Do you know that, in my village, cooked rice mixed with sacrificed lamp’s blood will be throughed towards sky as small hand moulded balls (and the never returns, its their belief any way, I never witnessed such stuff because its too SCARY, I know I am not brave enough lol ) ?? and there are many in the same manner, I would like to discuss such festivals in due course if you wish!! Have you ever witnessed these kind of festivals?
@Tamilscafe – There is nothing wrong in reciting the veda mantras in any language. in many forums we do in English, its not a crime under Vedas.
There are many festivals that are similar to festivals of North India.
I am giving you a very small experience of my life in Chennai.
I reached Chennai on 7th June 2003. After two or three months I saw a festival similar to Diwali being observed there. Although this was not the diwali time in north India, yet the color of the festival was the same.
Some months later, there was a festival at the kapaliswar Temple, similar to the Rath yatra of Lingaraj Temple of Bhubaneswar.
I never said all festivals are same. i am from southern part of Odisha, the festivals that we celebrate at our home are much different from the festivals of North Odisha. The languages of my district are very different from the language of Coastal districts of Odisha.
In this scenario, differences of festivals among different states of India is not a big deal
Reciting mantras by reading from any language will not make any difference as long as the pronounciation matches with the original mantra written in sanskrit. If in doubt regarding pronounciation, you will have to refer to original mantra in sanskrit. For instance, if i write the words “sharanam” and “charanam” in tamil, they are identical without any difference, but one need to pronounce based on the situation. I belong to chennai and have noticed several people using the wrong words in “venkateshwara suprabhatam”. However, once a proper verification has been done in terms of pronounciation with the original sansrit text, reading the same in other languages should not pose a problem. Hope, you get my point.
@Tamilscafe. If i am not not wrong, you wanted to know if you can recite the mantras using tamil grammar and tamil words. Is that correct? This suggestion of having mantras chanted in tamil (no sanskrit mantras involved here) while performing archanas and other poojas in Tamil Nadu which was started by DMK (if i m not wrong…i m not sure who exactly started this) does not go well with many of those who are well versed with Agamas as they say that it is against the agamas. It is just like having a different constitution for each and every individual. However, as far as i can say, one should only transliterate a mantra into any other language and not substitute it with the equivalent words of that language. However, varied opinions are entertained here…
Ajyesthaaso Akanisthaasa Yete
Sam Bhraataro Vaavrudhuh Soubhagaya
– RigVeda, Mandala-5, Sukta-60, Mantra-5- (5000 BC)
‘No one is superior or inferior; all are brothers; all should strive for the interest of all and progress collectively’.
MANU SMRITI:
Janmanaa Jaayate Shudrah Sanskaraat Dwija Ucchate
Vedapaathi Bhavet Viprah Brahma janaati Brahmanah
“By birth all are Shudras only. By actions men become Dwija (twice-born). By reading the Vedas one becomes Vipra and becomes Brahman by gaining the knowledge of God.”
“He in whom the qualities of truth, munificence, forgiveness, gentleness, abstinence from cruel deeds, contemplation, and benevolence are observed, is called a Brahmin in the Smriti. A man is not a Sudra (low Caste) by being a Sudra nor a Brahmin by being a Brahmin”.– Vanparva Mahabharata
he mere bandhuo bhaiyon mughe koi ye batao ki agniveer ke log kahte hain ishwar nirakar hai par maine rigved me 65 va slok padha hai jisme ye charcha hai ki indradev ne virtrasur ko mara hai jinhe yagya me awahan kia gaya hai jab ishwar nirakar hai aur wo sakar nahi ho sakte to phir indra dev ne virtrasur ko kaise mar dia jabki pure vishwa ka sabse purana granth rigved hai to aap hi log batao kya rigved ghutha hai ya phir agniveer aur yadi ved hi sach hai to indradev pap ko rokne ke lie kyon nahi aate aur yadi agniveer sahi hai to vitrasur kaise kaise mara gaya
Bhai Sudhanshu ji, Namaste!
Rigved ko mandalo mein baata gayaa hai. kounse mandal me kounsa manthra hai aap hame yahaa prastut karne ki kasht karenge? Mere hisaab se aap koi galat anuvaad ko padhe ho ya sune ho. Vedon mein saaf hai ki eeashwar ka koi roop nahi hai, Na Tasya Pratima Asti. Ved ke manthr ek doosre se vibhed nahi kar sakte hai.
Aap se binati hai ki aap jo bhee manthra ka ullekh kar rahe ho, usko yahaa prastut karein taaki, agniveer team ya aur koi gyaani is group par aap ki sankaaye door kar sakte hai.
Dhanyawaad
Ram
This spineless culture of Arya Samaj is nothing more than a mockery of the legacy of Swami Dayanand and anything but Vedic religion. They may do their Havans, Sandhyas and shout slogans of ‘Vedic Dharma ki Jai’, and hold public meetings attended by big-shots politicians and tycoons. But their intent is well observable from their tangible outputs. There is a fundamental Vedic principle that those who claim to have greater knowledge and capability should also deserve greatest punishment. Refer http://agniveer.com/4272/manu-smriti-and-punishment/.
I really liked this and I agree with you 100%.
@ Akhila Padhi
Where the crime comes from? I am asking a straight question answer can be yes, no or don’t know!! as simple as that. Now, how authentic your words in terms of Vedic substantiation? Have you got any Vedic scripture describing this fact or it’s entirely your opinion? Any Vedic scholar deny his fact, I expect guidance from Agniveer in this regard if possible!!
Odisha, I never been there, not much of north India. I am looking forward to visit NI in future.
As I remember, Tamils celebrate dipaavali or deepaavali in October or early November time, a day before diwali starts in NI (I guess), there are many different believes across India for the reason of this celebration. So I don’t know which festival you have seen there??!!
—“Regarding the rituals, rituals important for social point of view, and one thing is clear that the festivals and rituals of Tamilnadu are not different from other parts of India”—
Above is your statement.
There are similarities between some of our festivals and rituals, but if you go to villages then you will be able to see the real differences in between. Many of rituals are not changed at villages but they are disappearing too. For example, when we were kids, we used to fry full coconut with mixture of sweet fillings by fixing it to a long stick. As a group of locals with full of fun and happiness on 1st day of Aadi (a month of Tamil calendar) evening we have this festival to welcome that month, it includes pooja and a game using those sticks later on the same day. But now days, those celebrations are getting disappeared slowly.
Do you have any festival similar to this (correct me if I am wrong) ?? what is your agenda here?? I have mentioned about the festivals because I don’t want to misguide people, they should also know the fact that there are many different festivals were disappeared and disappearing in SI which are not belongs to Vedic.
I hope you get my point!!
@ Tamilscafe – Yes, you can recite Vedic slokas in Tamil. It is the straight answer that you want to listen. In entire 4 vedas, there is not a single verse, that says Vedas can be read only in Sanskrit, so it is authenticated by Vedas, other wise Veda would have been contained any reference in this regard.
Read my comment, I have said ” I never said all festivals are same. i am from southern part of Odisha, the festivals that we celebrate at our home are much different from the festivals of North Odisha. The languages of my district are very different from the language of Coastal districts of Odisha.”
I never say all festivals or rituals are same, there are differences, but the differences are not because of difference of religions, but because of different geographic location.
Most of our festivals are directly related to the seasons and harvest times. These are different from region to region, hence we have different kinds of festivals, but the color of the festivals are same.
You gave an example of a festival, and I said similarities of some other festivals.
Now lets see the differences of food style. In most of NI, bread is main food, but In Odisha the main food is rice, we eat rice in a very unique style. We pour water onto it, we name it “Pokhalo”. No where you can find this style of eating. this is a difference. But There are many similarities of Odia food habits that with Tamil
For example, you say a dish “Idly”, we say “Endry” (read d as d of God”), there is a small difference in preparation. we prepare with the leaf of turmeric.
You say a dish “Dosa”, we say it “Chakuli”, you say a dish “uttapam” we say “Pitha” (read like பிடா).. Names are different, there is difference in style of preparation, but not so much.
There are a number of festivals celebrated in Odisha, that are much different from other parts of India. For example, in the month of Margoshir (month in winter season), on every Thursday, the ladies draw different drawings with the paste made of rice, put cow dung on the center of it, put a flower on it, and some cooked food. I guess, the “Pongal” festival is not much different from this.
My point is clear, the differences of food habits, or festivals are nothing to do with vedas. Nor they are any where linked with any kind of invasion. These are because of the differences of geographical region
Islam a cult??
THE RELIGION OF ISLAM
The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word “Islam” itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of “Allah” and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah’s “God’s” religion; the total submission to the will of Allah “God”. The Arabic word “Islam” means the submission or surrender of one’s will to the only true god worthy of worship “Allah” and anyone who does so is termed a “Muslim”, The word also implies “peace” which is the natural consequence of total submission to the will of Allah. Hence, it was not a new religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) I in Arabia in the seventh century, but only the true religion of Allah re-expressed in its final form.
Islam is the religion which was given to Adam, the first man and the first prophet of Allah, and it was the religion of all the prophets sent by Allah to mankind. The name of God’s religion lslam was not decided upon by later generations of man. It was chosen by Allah Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man. In the final book of divine revelation, the Qur’aan, Allah states the following:
“This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion”. (Soorah Al-Maa’idah 5:3)
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah (God) never will It be accepted of Him” (Soorah Aal’imraan 3:85)
“Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim.” (Soorah Aal’imraan 3:67)
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Very good Brother Akhter
Please enlighten these people also http://satyagni.com/4091/i-am-a-non-arab-muslim/
The 21st century then, will be the era of the East; this is where the sun is going to rise again, after centuries of decadence and submission to Western colonialism; this is where the focus of the world is going to shift. And as when India used to shine and send forth Her Dharma all over the Orient: to Japan, Thailand, China, Burma, or Cambodia and influence their civilisations and religions for centuries to come, once more She will emit Her light and radiate, Queen among nations: “India of the ages is not dead nor has She spoken Her last creative word; She lives and has still something to do for Herself and the human peoples. And that which She must seek now to awake, is not an anglicised oriental people, docile pupil of the West and doomed to repeat the cycle of the Occident’s success and failure, but still the ancient immemorial Shakti recovering Her deepest self, lifting Her head higher towards the supreme source of light and strength and turning to discover the complete meaning and vaster form of Her Dharma”.
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Namaste Agniveer Ji
Need help.
Is love marriage allowed in Vedas.If my mother and father know that I love a Gril and we love since 12ts standard.Now I am owner of School and college and my business still Girl like me her family likes me.We have not done anything worng and want to marry.
Problem is Girls brother is follower of Vedas,I am not sure if he will agree.Can you please let me know if Love marriage is ok in Vedas.Will appreciate your help.
Thanks
Raj
I don’t know what you imply by ‘Love’ Marriage. But Class 12 is too premature to have conjugal feelings. Vedas suggest that one should solely focus on building one’s foundation of knowledge, health and wisdom till he or she reaches full maturity and then plan about conjugal life.
However Vedas also state that once matured, a person has complete right to choose the life partner as per his or her own compatibility. Family and relatives can at best perform a supportive role in this process of choice, but ultimately it would the decision of the girl or boy.
So assuming that you and the girl are now fully mature, as per Vedas, you have complete freedom to choose your future life partner. Refer the marriage of Krishna with Rukmini.
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Agniveer Ji
Thanks a lot,myself I am Businessmen now and Girl is also MBA and working as Lecturer.Her family is ok and so do I.Problem is we are Hindu but caste is different.
Girl is from Rajput family and I am from Jat family.Will Rajputs marry Jats.They say Rajputs are warrior class and if they marry with other race offsprings will not be of same genes.Girls brother informs this in family.He says when fusion occurs it is the gentic mutation whcih takes place and thus all attributes of ancestors come in body.IF Body formation i.e. heart which is formed first is strong than GOD will put strong soul in fetus and finally strong kid will take birth who will serve humanity and nation.
I am not sure how can I counter him or give him some logical reasoning.I will be really thankfull if you can give some logical answer to this.He is not against inter caste marriage as he does not believe in caste being vedic follower but he gives strong reasoning behind race marriage.
Thanks
Raj
@Raj:
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Please take help from personals column in newspapers. I believe TOI has a column where Pooja Bedi answers such questions.
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@ Raj, I hate to state this. I am kind of forced to question the honesty behind your question. To me this is the kind of discussion that Zakir Naik encourages and relishes in his t.v show. Bring in a bunch of gullible men and women in their 20s and yawn them with what’s halal and what’s shirk in Islamic marriages, Muslims to Muslim, Muslim marrying a “revert (whatever that stupid word means to ZN),” a Muslim marrying a Xtian etc etc.. Agniveer, to me, does not run a counseling clinic for issues like these.
Dear Raj,
Scientifically, genetic material transfer takes place, by which characterstics of parents are expressed in child. Marriage in close relations should not be performed, though, marriage between unrelated ( blood) will lead to stronger traits, this has been elaborated well in Manusmriti.
if you follow vedas then forget caste vedas speak of varnas and does not state of ones superiority over the other. if your parents refuse tell them that they are against the vedas
bhagvad gita chapter 15 verse 20
one who understands the scriptures only his life’s mission is fulfilled”
Varna means profession by choice. That is the Sanskrit meaning.
Sorry agniveerji , i don’t know where to ask doubts to you,so I am asking it here. One christian guy asked me the following questions. I don’t know the answers,can you please help me.
1. They have many wives and girlfriends (krishna, venkat, ganesh…etc.) Why does god need a wife or flirting girls? Does that mean hindu gods have sexual desires?
2. Why don’t hindus prefer not to look at the moon on ganesh birthday? If hindu god is true god then the rest of the people in the world, other than hindus should be struck with multiple curses. Either hindu gods aren’t real or the hindu gods don’t keep their word.
3. God is supposed be truthful and righteous. However Vishnu tricked the demons into sharing the amruth. Which is very ungodly and makes the gods no different from the demons. Does that mean that hindu gods are decieving and not truthful?
3. How come shiva, did not recognise his child, ganesh and beheaded his own son? And after his son died, why couldn’t he give the son his own head back instead of an animal head? Does that mean that hindu gods are not all-knowing and all-powerful (healing)?
4. When shiva has granted his devotee a blessing of ‘turning into ashes by placing his hand on someone’s head’ (basmam). After granting him that wish, shiva ran away for his life from his devotee? Does that mean that hindu gods aren’t immortal?
5. rama didn’t know where to find sita for many years and finally needed the help of monkeys for a happy ending. So again he is not all-knowing and almighty.
6. Why do you need to submerge ganesh in the water? Just because he needs more puja attention than the other gods so people prefer not have in him in the house. So he minds if you don’t do puja to him but he doesn’t mind if you throw him into the water. LOL!!
7. venkatesh cheated his wife by having an extra-marital affair. And decieved both wives and turned into stone because he couldn’t handle them. What a great god. What a great example of faithfulness. LOL!!
8. prahaladha prayed and vishnu appeared from the pillar in the form of a half lion & human. Why did he have to come in the form of an animal? Why did he have to kill the boy’s dad so gruesomely in front of that kid? There are other peaceful ways that god can show that he is powerful and mighty. So hindu gods aren’t peaceful and loving?
9. Why does brahma need four heads? Poor thing, his lies costed his fifth head, he must have learnt his lesson, his only left with four heads now. A god loses his head…does that sound like an almighty god to you???
10. You pray to snakes, pigs, cows, mouse, wart-hog, trees, books, money,fire, water, rocks, sun, moon, wind, dust.
Oops, disregard the dust, I was going with the flow… LOL!!
I answered the 1st question with the help of my friend from ISCON as follows
Actually Krsna’s position is as a Supreme Enjoyer. Krsna can enjoy with his girlfriends etc because they are His own internal energy. So Krsna is basically playing with his own energy. It might be kind hard to understand at beginning. Krsna doesn’t have any sex desire. He is simply fulfilling the desires of His devotees. Regarding the Demigods they also have sex desires like humans. In material world sex desire is very gross but in higher planets sex desire is also present but not as gross. Generally demigods use their sex desire to bring in “Krsna Conscious” children. The Law of the material world is that if you want to beget children you need to have a wife. This applies to mostly all the living entities in material world. But one of them can beget children without a wife that is different story. That is why a wife is required even the Demigods.So the basic concept is all the deities we have are from the same source of energy(BRAHMAN) , actually mythology in Sanatana Dharma was given by Brahman to ease the understanding the concepts in veda.ie. Brahman as a formless god cannot be worshiped as a god himself by normal beings like you and me. So these mythology act as an medium to understand the concepts of god…
And all the Hindu gods are part of the Brahman.
he further flooded me with the following questions.
1. His internal energy is part of him, so if his internal energy has those desires, so does he. Don’t you agree?
Also, since he is a man, he made his internal energy a woman, so that he can quench his sexual desire. Do you think he is a HOLY god???
Jesus is completely HOLY and entirely pure and has no such desires. He is above such things.
2. If krishna is not having those sexual desires and he is only fulfilling the desires of his devotees. Does that mean his devotees have sexual desires towards their god? Do you know any girls around you who have sexual desires for krishna?
Only in Christianity, we call God as ‘my Father’ and He calls us ‘My child’. The deep loving relationship between God and His people is that of a Father and a child.
3. If krishna really wanted to fulfill the sexual desires for his devotees he would bless them with a wonderful partner. Unless he is jealous that his devotees will like their partners more than him. LOL!!
4. What the heck is a demi-god?? Don’t tell me that they or human changed to god or god and human had offsprings called demi-gods.
In other words they are humans with super powers. In the western world, humans with super powers are called super-heros like superman, spiderman, ironman, batman..etc. You do not worship them, you watch their movies for entertainment and forget about them because they are mythical & imaginary, good for kids bed-time stories. You don’t expect them to worship and pass on their kids.
5. The higher plantes (heaven) is supposed to be holy, but it doesn’t seem to be any different from here.
For Christians, heaven is the throne of God. It is so holy, almost as much as He is. There is no impurity, sexual imorality or unclean desires.
It is so HOLY and SACRED because of His presence and filled with His glory and power.
6. So a demi-god is not a complete god, that means they do not deserve complete glory and worship as a god. And the main god brahman cannot be worshiped.
Do you know what worship means? It means a feeling of reverence, adoration, deep respect, profound love, thanks-giving and praise to God.
What happens if you do worship brahman? Will he tell shiva to open his third eye because he is angry that puny humans are worshipping him?
7. Why does brahman need all these other hindu gods as his delegates? Can’t he handle it all by himself?
isn’t he almighty and all-powrerful?
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME.SUDDENLY I FEEL HE IS TRYING TO BRAINWASH ME TO FOLLOW CHRISTIANITY , BUT I WILL NEVER TAKE MY MIND OFF SANATANA DHARMA. BUT FOR THAT YOU HAVE TO HELP ME.
THANK YOU
then u should ask these 17 questions first and there are lot more still..
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http://agniveer.com/465/god-crazy
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rest what u told about ganesh,shiva,brahma etc are from puran and not vedic view..U should actually spend more time on reading articles to know vedic concept
Understanding concept of GOD in Vedas
http://agniveer.com/2708/vedic-god/
then u should ask these 17 questions first and there are lot more still..
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http ://agniveer.com/465/god-crazy
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rest what u told about ganesh,shiva,brahma etc are from puran and not vedic view..U should actually spend more time on reading articles to know vedic concept
Understanding concept of GOD in Vedas
http ://agniveer.com/2708/vedic-god/
Dear Raj
Please do not become angry.I have a bad news for you.You are loving that girl from class 12.It means that you had broken your vrat of brahmacharya.In Satyarth Prakash it has been said that only those stri and purush are marrigeable who had kept akhand brahmcharya.So,I think,you should not marry.And you should repent for doing sin by remaining unmarriaged for the complete life.If you marry your children are not going to be healthy.If you had not broken your brahmcharya then you could have married with her.If I were on the seat of president I would have made a law,according to which,persons like you should have been discarded from the school and country.Please do not become angry.If you feel bad then I am sorry.But it is the bitter truth.
@Raj:
Problem is Girls brother is follower of Vedas,I am not sure if he will agree.Can you please let me know if Love marriage is ok in Vedas.Will appreciate your help.
No…love marriage is not allowed. Neither are brushing the teeth with the left hand, picking nose even in the privacy of the bathroom, bowing down to false gods, adding water to milk or going out in the rain without umbrella.
Mr. Kalbhairav
I am sorry to say that you have little faith towards the liberty. It is correct that emphasis is towards bonding minds through parental aggreements and consciences. However, the individuals are free to choose their way of living their life. In vedas, ecpectations are set and not forced upon individuals or the society.
If my son or daughter choses the wrong person involved in anti-social or anti-human activities, then I would definetely reject her completely as my child. If heshe choses the correct person (irrespective of castes or religions), I would accept herhim, as they are free to choose the correct life partner.
@Satyendra
Maybe I will from here on enclose some of my comments explicitly by opening appropriate html tags. In this case the tags would have been ….
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@Kalbhairav
Brother your way of writing or saying the things like Gagar mein sagar (filling whole sea in one pitcher) & require much attention & intellect to understand your comments.
@truth seeker:
Brother. I had a feeling the original poster, Raj, was an impostor…hence the message. It would take an Abrahamic mindset to search for scriptural sanction to mostly commonsensical answers. Of late there arent any good Momin posters here…So, I guess I was a bit frustrated 😉
@Kalbhairav
Your sarcasm actually gave a wrong interpretaion. I agree that even I beleive that Raj was imposter with wrong intents to divert people from thinking in rational manner.
I was dissappointed by the slip of tongue where you wanted to imply something else and the meaning took a wrong turn.
We should be thankful for this Agniveer.com’s platform for enlightening us. Please be cautious in choosing indirect sarcastic statements. Rather, you should choose direct statements.
Freinds
I am not impostor ,I am asking for real time scenario.Please do not consider me negative.I used to worship idols but now after reading agniveer I have stopped.I want to counter Girls brother with some very logical argument as he is really genious and follower of vedas.He is not against caste marriage but he says there are different races and tribes which should not inter marry as they have duty on shoulders i.e.e to protect nation and dharma.
Only such offsprings who are capable of having strong heart and soul can do big things in life.
Thanks
Raj
Wanna know what First Corinthians 7.36 says in the Old Testament?
but if any man thinks that he behaveth himself uncomely towards his virgin ,if she pass the flower of her age,& need so require,let him do what he will,he sinneth not ,let them marry-1 cornthians7.36(kjv)
translations
New American Standard Bible
But if any man thinks that he is acting unbecomingly toward his virgin daughter, if she is past her youth, and if it must be so, let him do what he wishes, he does not sin; let her marry.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
But if any man thinks he is acting improperly toward his virgin, if she is past marriageable age, and so it must be, he can do what he wants. He is not sinning; they can get married.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But if a man thinks he is disgraced by his virgin who is past her time and he has not given her to a man, and it is fitting to give her as he chooses to do, he does not sin; she may be married.
King James 2000 Bible
But if any man think that he behaves himself improperly toward his virgin, if she pass the prime of her age, and need so require, let him do what he desires, he sins not: let them marry.
English Revised Version
But if any man thinketh that he behaveth himself unseemly toward his virgin daughter, if she be past the flower of her age, and if need so requireth, let him do what he will; he sinneth not; let them marry.
Dear,
Jats are basically yaduvanshi which got diluted by other people from west. Jat is neither a race nor caste. It is a community. Jats had gurjars, gadariyas, and even brahmans.
Rajputs never imply that they are true kshtrariya. Kshatriya is by karma and not birth. Krishna was yaduvanshi and thus jat. In due course of time, some sections separated themselves as a new race like brahmin, rajput, jat, gurjar etc by birth.
Rajput means raja ke putra but never states that they are warrior class. Even brahmin, gadariyas, vaishya can be a raja and his son should be called rajputs.
Ask them from where rajputs evolved in vedic or even mahabharat times.
krishna was yadav and khsatriya by karma.
Dear Friend
If you see Rana Pratap,Prithvi Raj Chaouchan,Guru Tegh Bhadur,Guru Nanak,Most of the sikhs who claim themself to be Rajputs and if you go to Rajisthan or meet any true Rajput .You will find them very agressive and good build.I am not talking about catse but yes one can feel meeting with them that they are different from other tribes.
Please do not dilute my discussion.This question is to agniveer ji.Is her brother right in saying that she should marry in rajputs only.They claim decendancy from Arjun family.All are more than 6ft tall and strong build.Is her brother right in saying that purity of lineage does not get manitained by marrying in some other race.He says if he can find some strong soul,heart perosn in other race he will agree.
Please advise is it true that same race of rajputs generally result into brave sons and daughter.Although Man singh was also rajput but he betrayed.Still her brother say that Man singh was bravest general of Akbar though a Traitor.
TOI will not help,please advice agniveer Ji.
Thanks
Raj
Krishna was not yadav. He followed Yadu Dynsaty and King name was Yadu.Please do not distort reality.
@Raj – friend, i am confused. Because of two reasons. 1. I dnt find any race called rajput or jats in vedas nor in manu smriti.. So cant say in reference to veda.
Manu smriti says a person should marry daughter of a person who is following similar profesion. But this is never followed.
It is correct that rajputs are physcally built very stronger and taller. They followed strict royal linkage, which helped them to get good warriors(mendels’s experiment f1 f2 f3) as per their genes on their chromosomes. But this does not mean that they are the best. However, these rajputs still have no mention in vedas or upnishads and not even were as a concept till 1000 AD. Rajputs were selective in choosing soulmates. If you would go topunjab and haryana, then also you would find most of jats are physically similar to rajputs. DNA CAN ONLY PROVE HOW CLOSER THEY COULD BE. There is no basis of making them best just by so called birth based caste system. When Mohammad bin kasim invaded north-west india, there were no rajputs.
If rajputs claim themselves to be sons of arjun, then there would be people, saying descendents of Krishna and Ram(raghuvanshis). Does this mean that they are better than rajputs?
Bundellas, tomars and parmars were included as rajputs, in 1200 to 1600. why were they considered as rajputs, when their average height is not more than 5.5 inches?
if we go by mahabharat then even arjuns hereditery is crossed linked with krishnas.
And about akbar’s slaves, please read akbarnama and then you would realize the true face of akbar.
in a nutshell, even the size of nose is determined by genes.
Vanshi means ancestor was yadu and must not be confused with caste. However, people have alwys considered it as a caste.
Satyendra
Very good point I studied Rajputs and even colonel Todd has written complete book on them.They never consider themself as caste.
We have two kind of Rajputs Chndravanshi and SOmvanshi.One from solar dynasty and other from Moon Dynasty.Ram was from Solar and Krishna from Somvansh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somvanshi_Kshatriya and smae way suryavanshi .
All the rajput tribe fall in these two parts.What you have mentioned also fall in these two like tomar are from Arjun.Height does not matter,when you talk to them they are really very agressive and hot minded.
So we have only two main categories and Tomar were not included fe whundred years back they are there since long back.
Anyway that is not my point of discussion.
Now I believe that as they have lot of pride on themself they want to keep their blood pure and always teach kids that Bharat is motherland and we must fight for it.
Agniveer Ji please guide what reaosn I should give.They do not belive in caste.
Yes you are right Vedas do not have any caste or race,but how to convince girls brother.His reasoning is totally different.I thought agniveer Ji can help me.
One more thing which is irrational. Arjun’s decendents should be in few thousands if we consider biologically. War, epidemics and mutilation by other communities may have always kept a check on their numbers.
Similarly, manu himself cannot be father of all the indians. So, people clamining that they are descendents of such and such person, are wrong.
If I go by wikipedia(though not authentic) then these rajputs have almost same affinity to jats.
If the concerned brother is still against wills of two people, then you should passify the families. Before taking any decision, think about justifying the cause of your marriage. There are many responsibilities, changes in view and life, and objectives come in your ways.
For example, some people feel at the later stage that it was a mere active and direct attraction of the opposite personality. There could be others who might have passive and indirect attraction (hidden or moral but not physical), but could have been much better for the person who is regretting.
I met a couple who had an arrange marriage and they are down to earth people. The husband is in IT field and wife hails from a village though educated but not convent or english medium. Best part is that they know what there objectives are and how to get there morally. That is why, they never faced any issues. Infact they are determined to face these issues if they come in near future.
Do not be adamant for something which can be there elsewhere. Last but not the least, my apologies, if my message is not upto your expectation settings.
Definetely Agniveer have the resolution, but please help him in utilizing his time for putting their (Agniveer) collective efforts for the humankind.
Satyendra Ji
I am thankfull to you and appreciate your advice.
How to counter this.
“As per him, “Rajputs should marry in Rajputs only and not even in those Rajputs who have become rangad i.e. followed ISLAM.He says to protect our nation and Dharma we must save our blood and lineage.He says those Rajputs who have succumbed to ISLAM does not have same blood in their veisn whcih was at one time.They have become impure now and are afraid.If these warriors survive than at the time of need future genrations will come up and fight.her brother himself does lot of things which no one is aware but I am sure good for nation and Dharma”
Thanks
Raj
Dear Raj ji
I also salute the feelings of the Rajputs and particularly the concerned person. Before answering questions, people should look into the activities in the past. Jats also are Desh-bhakt and a gem in India’s Struggle to retain its “Asmita”. Thanks to Vedic beliefs that I can bow down to Rajputs and Jats for their roles.
Even Jats follow gotra and genetic lineages (most of these beliefs are good and few of them are irrational).
Jats were diluted by many wars like Kurukshetra as a best example. Rajputs were somehow able to retain their identity. This does not mean that Jats are second to anyone.
If he believes in veda then he should consider human-rights first. If the sister has the same warrior feeling then also it is upto her to take the decision. However, I feel that whatever he/she things, I have very high level of respect for them.
I’m sure that Agniveer Ji have the solution, but keeping his engagements and committments, I feel that your questiin is too personal. This does not mean that it has no value. Infact, you have raised a good and healthy question.
My apologies for any mis-intrepreted words. Hats off once again to every true Indian. Vande Mataram
Satyendra Ji
Thanks a lot to you,I don’t mid even if osmeone says bad but your views are good.
I am in dilemma I know that we Jats are also warrior race but her Brother is Rajput and gives some good reasoning.
Jats are more hot minded and lack control during anger.On the contrary raj puts are well balanced even in aggression.I have not sure what should I do.I can also fight and I am strong economically,I can say 100 times stronger then them.Still he is not budging down.
Her sister is very well educated working,I am also owning big business.We all agree,her parents like me,my parents agree.But he is hurdle.Not sure what to do.Anyway I think I will leave everything on GOD or Agniveer Ji.If he can help me.
Thanks
Raj
Namaste Brother Raj
Her brother is trying to defend racism in the name of Vedas and Dharma. This is foolishness. There are only Varnas (merit based four classifications) as per Vedas not races. Any well built, wise, intellectual, vegetarian male or female born in any so called Shudra family is a match for any Brahman/Kshatriya/Vaishya counterpart who is equally good in intellect, food habits and body. Concept of pure blood from time immemorial is idiotic. In her family case too, they claim to be descendants of Arjun. Now today nobody knows about Arjuna’s father! Arjun was not biological son of Pandu. Even Pandu was not the son of Kshatriyans biologically. He was son of Vyas. And Vyas himself was a son of a fisherman’s daughter. So you see believing in Arjun’s ancestry and then claiming “purity” of blood is moronic.
I can write more but I dont think it is needed after this 🙂
all the best..
Ajyesthaaso Akanisthaasa Yete
Sam Bhraataro Vaavrudhuh Soubhagaya
– RigVeda, Mandala-5, Sukta-60, Mantra-5- (5000 BC)
‘No one is superior or inferior; all are brothers; all should strive for the interest of all and progress collectively’.
MANU SMRITI:
Janmanaa Jaayate Shudrah Sanskaraat Dwija Ucchate
Vedapaathi Bhavet Viprah Brahma janaati Brahmanah
“By birth all are Shudras only. By actions men become Dwija (twice-born). By reading the Vedas one becomes Vipra and becomes Brahman by gaining the knowledge of God.”
“He in whom the qualities of truth, munificence, forgiveness, gentleness, abstinence from cruel deeds, contemplation, and benevolence are observed, is called a Brahmin in the Smriti. A man is not a Sudra (low Caste) by being a Sudra nor a Brahmin by being a Brahmin”.– Vanparva Mahabharata
Na Visheshosti Varnanaam Sarvam Braahmyamidam Jagat
Brahmanaa poorva Sristhim hi Karmabhih Varnataam Gatam
“There are no distinctions of castes. Divine consciousness is omnipresent in the world. It was Brahmanic entirely at first. The Varnas have emerged in consequence of men’s actions.” -Shantiparva Mahabharata
It is very very tough now.
The best action from my point of view is that the concerned ady and you should wait for some-time to convince him. Prove your metal in all-aspects and never retaliate. keep your cool and let the time decide the result.
Vajra Ji
Thanks.
He gives very simple example.Whole western nation is living in such condition where women is not respected and if you see India also those who do not follow traidition such girls and boys get seperated after some time.Fact is three Rajput boys in there family married girls
of other races and result wa snot good.Moreover the offsprings which we can see are not same.even I have started belieivng in this myself my two brother married and they have kids which do not have same agression like jats and they look more like baniyas.Something is worng.I cannot discuss more.Thanks for all your feedback.I think we should wait and convince him.
Thanks
Brother Raj
I think it is you who needs to make up the mind more than her brother. You yourself believe in racism. You too wrote Baniyas as if all of them are cowards. Perhaps you have forgotten that the time when mighty well built RAJPUTS of today’s Pakistan and India were converting to Islam to save their lives and were sending their women to Harems of bastard invaders, Brahmins and Baniyas at the same time retaliated and kept their Dharma alive. They died but did not give up the faith. For me those Baniyas are more brave than Rajputs. I am not Rajput but I know many and I dont think any of them can ever overpower me in strength and stamina. In which world you are living?
Did not you read my previous reply? What is wrong in that? Refute the claims or accept those.
Sorr Brother I am not here to refute or fight.Baniya for us is another race only who trade and whom you call viashyas.Even Rajputs are called Baniya sand many of them do business.Even I am Baniya during day time when I do business.
Anyway please continue your discussion on religion and I will wait for agniveer Ji reply if he can help.
Dear Raj
This is not the right section to post such comments and have such discussions. A more appropriate place would be the Discussion Forum. But since several comments have been exchanged, we provide our own brief view. Further discussions can continue at Discussion Forum.
1. Caste system as prevalent today is a slur and completely unscientific. As per Vedic culture, following are important:
– Match of habits, actions and approach in life
– Marriage in close families should be avoided. Endogamy leads to weaker children.
– The family in which marriage happens should not have any serious genetic disorder that is likely to carry to next generation.
Rest of the things – valor, bravery – are imbibed. By eating good food, having proper exercising etc, anyone can become strong. Genes do help but not as much as grooming in matters of strength as well.
In any case, if it comes to protecting the nation, we need more of intellectual warriors than wrestlers. And intellectual strength can be obtained by any healthy child through proper nurture.
– To claim that purity of race has helped Rajputs save the nation is foolish. Please show the track-record and if that had been so, what made us slaves for centuries and even today keeps us in such dismal state? Yes there have been legends like Pratap but then Man Singhs also abounded. Let us not attempt to generalize individual efforts to entire community. And what would your views be on Shivaji?
– Parashuram is claimed to have destroyed all Kshatriyas several times. Then where does the question of ‘racial purity’ comes. This itself implies that Kshatriya was a profession and not a race. From where did Agnikula Rajputs come from? They are supposed to have sprung up from Fire. Do you really believe so. At least a Vedic person will not consider all these as anything apart from fiction. It is simply that from time to time, people from other births also took over duties of rajputs even when the birth-based caste system was prevailing.
Racial superiority is a delusion of mind to please oneself in imaginary grandeur. It has neither support of Vedas nor any available facts of history. India is India today because of contribution of all people from all castes and births. All have similar share of goodness and badness we possess today. And if indeed Rajput race is supposed to be superior, then on contrary, Rajputs should share the blame for being the most incompetent race. Because they were supposed to defend us and yet they could not effectively counter the barbarians. WHy did we remain slaves of invaders under Rajput rule then?
BTW, author of this post is himself a Rajput if you go by the racial vocabulary which we refuse to believe in.
Vedas talk of logic. Let anyone provide reasonably more sound and provable arguments to defend racism and then Vedas suggest we accept them. Further, as per Vedas, the brother has no business in deciding whom sister decides to marry – unless of course he is a criminal. As per Vedas, none other than the bride and groom have any rights to pass judgment on their life partners. And that is why Krishna married Rukmini despite resistance from Rukmi.
So for sure, if anyone is supporting racism, he is anything but Vedic scholar. If there are other reasons behind his denial that is something we cannot comment upon. But Vedas are clear – girl can choose any eligible, healthy, suitable, non-criminal match for herself after attaining maturity and education. Refer articles on Women in Vedas. Swayamvar (Choosing one’s own groom) is the best way as per Vedas.
Admin
PS: Any further discussions should happen on DIscussion Board.
Thanks a lor Agniveer Ji.Hats off.Nice Reply.
one thing i want to know that what VEDAS have opinion on hell and heaven??..As we are soul which cannot be burn,dried,cut,etc and so if hell and heaven is there,then how come we will suffer there???………But i guess ,hell and heaven is here itself on earth…when you greatly suffer,then you are in hell and when you experience happiness, you are in heavenly state………………..But i want to know what VEDAS have opinion on this???..Is there separate hell and heaven region???
@krishna
God has made universe and blessed us human body to do pious deeds only. He has not made any heaven or hell. All have to face the result of their deeds, good or bad here only, by taking rebirth. (Rigveda mantra 10/135/1,2)
God has not only made universe but has also given knowledge of four Vedas where answers to your and everyone’s questions have been given. There are four Vedas:
1. Rig Veda – gives knowledge of science, matter of the universe like sun, moon, air body etc., etc.
2. Yajurveda – gives knowledge of all the deeds and duties to be performed by men or women, students, leaders, king, agriculturist etc., etc., etc.
3 Samveda – gives knowledge how to worship God who gives peace and long happy life etc. In this way, details of Yoga philosophy, qualities, supreme deeds and nature of the God are also given.
4 Atharvaveda – gives details of God, medical science and details of medicine etc.
NINE BELIEFS OF HINDUISM
1. Hindus believe in the divinity of the Vedas, the world’s most ancient scripture, and venerate the Agamas as equally revealed. These primordial hymns are God’s word and the bedrock of Sanatana Dharma, the eternal religion which has neither beginning nor end.
2. Hindus believe in a one, all-pervasive Supreme Being who is both immanent and transcendent, both Creator and Unmanifest Reality.
3. Hindus believe that the universe undergoes endless cycles of creation, preservation and dissolution.
4. Hindus believe in karma, the law of cause and effect by which each individual creates his own destiny by his thoughts, words and deeds.
5. Hindus believe that the soul reincarnates, evolving through many births until all karmas have been resolved, and moksha, spiritual knowledge and liberation from the cycle of rebirth, is attained. Not a single soul will be eternally deprived of this destiny.
6. Hindus believe that divine beings exist in unseen worlds and that temple worship, rituals and sacraments as well as personal devotionals create a communion with these devas and Gods.
7. Hindus believe that a spiritually awakened master, or satguru, is essential to know the Transcendent Absolute, as are personal discipline, good conduct, purification, pilgrimage, self-inquiry and meditation.
8. Hindus believe that all life is sacred, to be loved and revered, and therefore practice ahimsa, “noninjury.”
9. Hindus believe that no particular religion teaches the only way to salvation above all others, but that all genuine religious paths are facets of God’s Pure Love and Light, deserving tolerance and understanding.
It can not be ,or is it?
dung worship!!!!
http://cynublog.blogspot.com/2007/11/cow-dung-worship.html
@akhter
No. Tradition of preserving stones (odd in numbers 🙂 ) used for cleaning prophet’s shit belongs to Jihadis! [Refer Bukhari] You have landed at wrong place. Buzz off..
what about mohammed instructed his followers to drink camel urine?
“Narrated Abu Qilaba:
Anas said, “Some people of ‘Ukl or ‘Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and “urine” (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.” Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle .”
Moreover, get us one verse from vedas which instructs us to worship cow dung.
Drinking or eating is not the subject , bowing down to dung ,and rats and snakes ,well that is something!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACzWdSfZXmw
@akhter:
bowing down to rats, snakes….isnt it better than killing people , the taliban way? It is so much better than having 4 wives and maintianing 10 more right hand posessions, what do you say? Afterall the existance of god cannot be proved, but the existance of rats, snakes requires no proof and believing them is rational when compared to belief of a god in 7th heaven sitting on his throne and judging souls.
@akhter
how about about bowing down to a stone? yeah, now that’s something!
http://satyagni.com/1685/kaba-or-idol-worship/
Adlof, so you admit bowing down to rats and cow dung and snakes is part of your belief, where as i am totally condemning and telling you that Taliban is not Islam , neither am i Taliban may claim to be Muslims but what they do is theirs .No Muslim is ever allowed to Kill any other son or daughter of Adam[aadamy] other than in self defense.
There are at present nearly 900 million more women than men in the world, now how do sort this problem ,they need a partner to live their lives,what is the solution given by your books or faith to solve this problem? your answer is to burn them when their husbands die , or make them wear a white saree and lock them in a room.Islam gives you an answer by marrying these surplus women and giving them honor and justice if one has the means to do it.
God indeed is proof when you have a look at yourself and all the other creations around you ,a clear sign that it is all from a creator ,snakes and rats are indeed his creation ,and any one who is wise would bow down to the creator and not to his creation!
Now regarding God being in seventh heaven and judging people from there ,which Muslmaan you,ve been talking to or shall i say which anti Muslim websites you been visiting, The glorious Quran is clear regarding the definition of God , in four line it gives you the description of almighty , it is challenge for all to see if you can produce a better definition!
al-Ikhlâs – The Purity
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
@akhter
Though I doubt your mind filled with dung/urine/shit stones stories will ever catch it but let me try
See the better definition at the starting of article from Vedas.
http://satyagni.com/4270/islam-tauheed/
BTW if you think Talibans and Mullahs blowing each other in sectarian violence are wrong, first teach them the lessons of peace. And when you are done with them, then go to polytheists to teach Tauheed.
Now lets deal with Sharovak , It is your dear and sweet wish that because you bow down to Idols which you carve out yourself and we the Muslims go round the Kabba when praying,let me tell you the dignity of a human being is more important than the Kabba , it is the first house of God built on earth ,we the Muslims face towards it as a direction so when praying we are orderly, never ever we pray or bow down to it,so get it out of your tiny head and do not lie.
@akhter
For me idol worship includes bowing, kissing and circumambulating a stone. For me choosing a particular direction to worship omnipresent God is idiotic. So Muslims are idol worshippers and ignorant. Prove me wrong…
dung/urine/rats/and stone worship is your way to reach enlightenment,why not try it with Taliban, to see if it works, or lets interduce caste system and put them at the lowest end .
http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/dr-k-prabhakar-rao/the-evil-of-caste-system-in-hindu-society
@akhter
Any proof from Vedas? In Hinduism anyone without worshipping idols can get bliss. In Islam no one can get bliss unless he bows down to Kaba idol five times a day and kisses and circumambulates it atleast once in his lifetime. So you see stones (be it Kaba or odd no of stones of Muhammad :)) are means of Islamic enlightenment not of Hindu.
Yes of course why dont you introduce caste system in Talibans? It is still better than the racist Islamic tradition where you (non Arab Muslims) can never become Caliph of Muslim Ummah, where you are just a Mawali a born slave to Arabs 🙁
You still wish the opposite, lets see what your Indian brother says about Kabba.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-e8farsDZg
@hit and run akhter
Why dont you go to taliban and ask them not to destroy budhas idols, afterall idols havent done any wrong they are just an art. The present caste system in india will slowly go, but you better go to iran or iraq and ask them to forget the differences between shia/sunni rather than indian caste system. Also ask your paki brothers not to kill ahmediyas and make them one more sect of untouchables.
@akhter
He is not my brother. He is a terrorist named Zakir Naik who supports killing of apostates. Any other logic?
Well at least he is your brother in humanity ,and boasts to be from your country.If he supports killing of apostates, why are there thousands of ex Muslims calling themselves Christians still alive in India? , stop lying!!See if a Hindu converts to Islam in Gujrat openly ,by God he would be burned alive the next moment,so shut it!
@akhter
————-Well at least he is your brother in humanity ,and boasts to be from your country.————-
He does not believe in humanity so he is not my brother in humanity. And by this logic, even you are my brother. So why dont you accept my views? Why dont you stop worshipping Kaba idol and stop doing Shirk by reciting Muhammad’s name in your prayers five times a day? Why not believe in One God like me which is described in Vedas?
———–If he supports killing of apostates, why are there thousands of ex Muslims calling themselves Christians still alive in India?———-
He cant do whatever he likes. Whatever he talks is based on Shariyat, the ideal ISlamic regulations and India is yet to be Islamic state 🙂
————-See if a Hindu converts to Islam in Gujrat openly ,by God he would be burned alive the next moment,———–
Nothing like that. On contrary the Ustaad of Zakir Naik , Ahmed Deedat was from Gujrat. Another Mullah in Zakir’s team is a convert from Gujrat. IRF itself claims that it has converted some millions of Hindus in year 2010 in India. So what you say is impossible. Actually now you are in win win situation! Now you will say that look look, Millions of Hindus came into Islam, so Islam is fastest growing religion and thus it is great 🙂 So again clarifying, nothing like that too.
In India Muslims get more leverage in every field. Compare them with Pakistan (I think you are from there). Can Pakistan ever have a Hindu/Qadiyani president? No. But India had.
The vaadas confirm what it says in the quran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p9YtMkJc4Y
@akhter
I am surprised that confirmation came earlier and the confirmed came later 🙂
Why dont you think it other way round? Why not assuming Vedas as source of monotheism and Quran its confirmation? I know your problem! Your monotheism/Tauheed is incomplete without believing in agent Muhammad with Allah in your faith. So monotheism of Vedas (belief in One God is sufficient) is different from monotheism of Islam (Allah+Muhammad duo is collectively called as One). So there is difference.
BTW I asked for the proofs of rat/idol worshipping form Vedas and not Monotheism. I know Vedas promote One God and I believe in it.
Brother akhter
I know in Pakistan people’s hearts are filled with hatred against Hindu India from their childhood. They are taught that how badly Hindu majority behaved with Muslim minority in pre partition era and thus Jinnah had to demand for Pakistan. However you are never allowed to think that how Islam came to India? What Arabs were doing here in India? Why Bin Qasim invaded Sindh? Did he come on the call of a Islamic woman? No these are all fiction nothing real. He invaded India twice before he is said to have responded the call of a woman.
Watch this to know from your own countrymen that how you glorified the rapists and looters of your own ancestors and motherland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGr19sfcY_o&feature=related
Did you ever think who were your ancestors, Arabs/Turks or Hindus?
There is no truth in you saying about what we are thought about Hindus ,we are told they belong to the human race which descended from from Adam who are all equal whether they are Indians ,Pakistanis or Arabs, the only person who is better is the one strong in his /her deeds, there is always those who put blame on this and that and you will find it in all faiths and communality it is a human nature,
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The first man created by God was a Muslim,and every child born into this world is also Muslim,The massage of one God was delivered to every nation and tribe ,how they took it depends on their commitment, there were over 124000 prophets and messengers were sent to all the people, now it is possible that Ram and Chrishna were the prophets of God and it also could be truth that the Vadas may contain some true word of God,but it is clear they are mostly corrupted and are full of myths, superstition and fairytale,now as a human i love you adore you and wish you all the best, you may say you believe in one God ,but you do bow to self created idols, it is that which is not right,as every prophet was the way to God and so the last prophet came to fulfill the mission for mankind with the massage which supersedes the one before and will remain till the day of judgment,so i say to you to have look and then have another look!!
@Akhter
yeah we know what you have been taught. Hence this,
Pakistanis see India as bigger threat than Al Qaeda
http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5222923
Jokers! still living in fool’s paradise.
@Akhter
What proof you have to say everyone is born a muslim?
Why everyone is not born circumcised?
Look for the meaning of Muslim ,you will have the answer there.
Child submits to the physical laws which Allah has put in nature, his soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allah is his Lord and Creator. But, his parents try to make him follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of his life to resist or oppose the will of his parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allah does not hold him to account or punish him for this religion.
@akhter Meaning of Muslim
Muslim=Who bows head before stone Kaba.
Muslim= Who believe in sex with his mother/sister/daughter.
Muslim= Who include human name in God prayer.
Muslim=Who believe God requires help of human(Mohammad) to maintain his creation.
Muslim= Who believe in rituals/superstitions.
Muslim= Who support in keeping sex slaves.
Muslim= Who believe Allah has form & sit on 7th sky.
Muslim=Who think Allah is not omnipresent that is why Mohamad searching to Allah on 7th sky.
Muslim=Who think God is worship desirous.
Muslim=Who believe God force for incest.
Muslim= Who believe God is not kind/just, Punishment is infinite for finite deed like eternal hell.
Muslim=Who believe Allah judge the person not by deed but his worship made by one.
Muslim= Who believe rapist, criminal, terrorist are allowed to enter in Kaba but God person like Gandhi Ji, Sukrat, Ainstine, Newton, Budha not allowed to enter in Kaba.
Muslim= Who support marriage between 6year old child and 50 year old man.
Muslim=Consider woman object of sex, dream of sex with 72 hoor of janat.
slap 1 on your face Muslims never bow to Stone Kaba ,infact the life of a human has more dignity than Kabba! Unlike you who create idols yourself and then bow to them.
slap 2 on your face To have sex with out marrige is punishable to death and a man can not marry his ,mother , sister, aunts.
slap3 on your face Muslim include human names in prayer for God to send his blessings on them which includes your parents ,and not what you are saying.
slap4 on your face as me and you are incapable god sent his messengers to pass his massage to us so we could have an ever lasting life in heaven ,Mohammad was his mouth piece God depends on nothing while i you and even mohammad do.
Slap 5 on your face ,there is a master verse in the Glorious Quran , There is non like him,the moment we say God is like this ,he is no longer God , no shape not siting anywhere, that idea is from the Christians who say he looks like man sitting on his throne with Jesus on his right hand side, Mulims say there is non like him.
slap6 on your face ,seven sky may be Mohammad did see Allah and he is the only human or a prophet to see him he went beyond the seven sky.
slap no 7 on your face,i will leave it there not even worth answering.
slap 7 God forces incest ,i have answered it clearly where you lied to device people.
slap8 on your face , every time a Muslim does anything which applies to good only starts by saying first , bismilla harukhmanirakheem, begin with Allah most gracious most merciful, want him to be merciful ,then recite Shahadaat and will forgive all your sins as if you were newly born , and inshallah you will enter heaven.
slap no9 on your face ,all persons are his creation and he loves all despite knowing that you still not believe in him and his last prophet then you deserve ,that so why take the risk change now before it is too late.
slap no 10 on your face every nation has its rules i am to enter India i need a passport and say also obey all its rules while i am there, now the rule to enter Kabba is to say la ila…
@akhter
Punch 1 on your face
http://satyagni.com/1685/kaba-or-idol-worship/
Punch 2 on your face
http://satyagni.com/1209/islamic-women-commodity/
Punch 3 on your face
http://satyagni.com/4270/islam-tauheed/
Punch 5 on your face
http://satyagni.com/939/allah-shapeless/
Punch 9 on your face
http://satyagni.com/1985/why-did-god-create-us/
@ akhter
And I say they natural religion of mankind is Vedic religion, why you deny this?
@akhter
________ To have sex with out marrige is punishable to death and a man can not marry his ,mother , sister, aunts____
If you think Aadam had sex with his daughter Eve then there should be no problem if your father do sex with your sister & You believe Aadam Son & daughter had sex with each other then there is no problem if you sex with your sister.This is logically right if we believe in Aadam & Eve ideology. But I am Veda follower, Allah creates thousands of man & woman pair at time of universe, so question of incest does not arise. Your logical analysis skill is very poor. For rest of all read article of Agniveer & links given by shravak.
@akther:
we are told they belong to the human race which descended from from Adam
You were lied to. There was no Adam and no Eve. Get over it.
@akther:
Brother Why do u think your ancestors used to have sex with their mother, sister & daughter? If you think so, I am sure even you would never be hesitate to have sex with you mother & daughter & sister.Because Kuran permits.
For your information the Arabs account for only 16% of the worlds 1.9 billion Muslims ,and if you or any other Muslims other than the Arabs themselves think their ancestors are Arabs then they need their brain testing.If the Arabs were having sex with their mothers and sisters and burying their daughters alive to escape from the shame ,as it is most common in India present where MILLIONS girls fetus are aborted for that reason, however the Arabs were liberated and brought out of darkness through the blessed prophet. regarding sex ,it is haram ,unless you are married,where it is blessed.
WHOM CAN YOU MARRY?
Islam places certain restrictions as far as the choice of your spouse is concerned. These restrictions are based on blood relationships and religious affiliations of the person.
(A) Restrictions based on Relationship
There are certain blood relations which are considered haram for you as far as marriage is concerned. (As a general rule, anyone who is your mahram is forbidden to you for marriage. Mahram means a blood-relative in whose presence hijab is not required.) The list of such relatives is given in the Qur’an as follows:
For Man mother daughter paternal aunt maternal aunt niece foster-mother foster-sister mother-in-law step-daughter daughter-in-law all married women sister-in-law (as a 2nd wife) (See the Qur’an, ch. 4, verse 23-24)
For Woman father son paternal uncle maternal uncle nephew foster-mother’s husband foster-brother father-in-law step-son son-in-law
It worth noting that cousins have not been included in this list which means that: firstly, cousins are not mahram to each other, so hijab has to be observed between them; secondly, cousins can marry each other.
@akhter
What restriction, you believe Eve got birth from Aadam body and Aadam sexed with his daughter Eve & children born from Aadam &Eve who were brother & sister then they had sex with each other. What a poor thinking, and you talk of restriction if Aadam & Allah santioned sex between brother-sister, father-daughter, so what restriction I think you also want to sex with your mother & sister and later will claim you have got divine sanction from Allah of doing this.
Apply your mind do not believe blindly.Veda clearly instruct do not marry within clan, god creates thousand of man & woman pair never forces for incest. Please do not put blame on God.
and you are told we descended from monkeys and apes,which perhaps gives you comfort in believing in Monkey God, see if you can prove that.
@akhter
________and you are told we descended from monkeys and apes,which perhaps gives you comfort in believing in Monkey God, see if you can prove that.______
Who told you this nonsense, As per Veda Allah creates thousand of man & woman pair on earth at time of inception of universe & instruct through Veda not marry within clan. Allah never force anybody for doing incest. you are fool who are blaming to God for incest.
Just goes to show how much you have been brain washed!
@akhter
When statistics speak why to do taqiya here my friend?
Why is there a drop in population of hindus in pakistan and bangladesh?
Your hatred for kafirs aka hindus and jews is evident in quranic verses. I am a hindu and i will worship the god manifest in rat,cat, snake…….what not even a muslim like you(who is filled with hatred against kafirs).
Can you tell me why god hates idols so much? A god who is filled with hatred for idols, is he a real god? A god who punishes without giving second chances is he a real god?
Please come to real god the vedic god who loves every one alike!!
There are more Hindus in Pakistan now than when it was created, so you wrong, please let me tell you as a person who ever in faith you may be i love you and adore you as a person, you want to carry on worshiping rats and cats please carry on, this is the very reason God hates when one worships his creation rather than the creator, your very own Vadic God tells you not to grave any images , to worship.
@akhter:
Lets see if you can answer this hypothetical. What if your “holy book” had decreed that Thursday is the day of Satan? Anyone born on Thursday ought to immediately be put to death. That is what Allah wishes. What would you do?
What if ,does,nt have any legs to stand on!
@akhter
___What if ,does,nt have any legs to stand on____
Fault of cruel Allah, he discriminated, he announced the judgment to hell without doing fault by one.
—There are more Hindus in Pakistan now than when it was created—
it was 15% when pakistan was created and now it is 2% of total population.
http://www.chakranews.com/hindus-in-pakistan-a-people-without-a-voice/672
i read the same in India-today recently.
actually it was 22% then now it is only 1% and is still going low
@akhter,
>> There are more Hindus in Pakistan now than when it was created, so you wrong
See wikipedia for this. Making statements without any proofs is your passport to hell.
>> please let me tell you as a person who ever in faith you may be i love you and adore you as a person,
When actions speak otherwise, who will believe your statements? Your love is evident by the action of your brothers in destroying the statues of budha in afghanistan.
>> you want to carry on worshiping rats and cats please carry on, this is the very reason God hates when one worships his creation rather than the creator, your very own Vadic God tells you not to grave any images , to worship.
Why is Allah so worried when i worship cats and rats?. I like cats and rats and i worship them. If Allah hates it , let him come and tell me that he hates,you better not be the judge and punish me, give that chance to allah please.
Anyway I dont believe in your god allah, My god is Adi varaha (The mighty pig god) who recieves my prayers even if done infront of a pig or a statue of pig.
I dont care about vedas, but can you prove that vedic god puts some one in eternal hell for worshipping a statue of pig, rat, cat?
more hindus in pak than when it was created??? LOL 😛
Namaste Brother akther
Share your views on http://satyagni.com/4091/i-am-a-non-arab-muslim/
Mr Vajra(As promised here we go ) & All
Detailed rebuttal to this baselss article has been published
Note: This article is divided into 4 parts. Agniveer/Satyagni had thrown lot of red herrings in his bogus article, which called for a detailed response
Part 1.I am just a Muslim – Debunking ‘I am non-Arab Muslim’ Part-1
http://islamhinduism.com/responses/answering-agniveer/119-i-am-just-a-muslim-debunking-i-am-non-arab-muslim
Part 2:
I am just a Muslim – Debunking ‘I am non-Arab Muslim’ Part-2
http://islamhinduism.com/responses/answering-agniveer/120-i-am-just-a-muslim-debunking-i-am-non-arab-muslim-part-2
Namaste @Neer Mohammad Part 1 and 2
Here find your lies debunked http://satyagni.com/4091/i-am-a-non-arab-muslim/#comment-13845
@Neer Mohammad
You are traitor who supporting anti-Indian site which want to degrade most ancient scripture of World Veda by defaming indian & their culture & u make here nonsense claim Arabs has refuted the great Indian culture & Veda. All are the traitor who lived in India, eat of India but support bloody Arabs & their nonsense culture.I feel shame such traitor like you are living in my motherland country of great people like Rama, Krishna, Dayanand, Vivekanand, Shivaji,Budha, Mahavir, Hanuman, Bhisma & Sages .
Islam is nothing but Arab Emperilism.
@Truth Seeker
Your frustration is evident. All you can do in appeal to emotions instead of facing the facts. I would say you are a racist and racist deserve to be conquered and taught a lesson. I feel you need to do mental check up. Vedas are not beyond criticism. Vedas too can be criticized. Stop crying like babies now because you have no arguments. If you feel Vedas cannot be questioned then all you website is useless.
@Mr Vajra ..Agniveer & CO.
Here find your lies debunked
http://www.islamhinduism.com/responses/answering-agniveer/120-i-am-just-a-muslim-debunking-i-am-non-arab-muslim-part-2#pc_797
And here is third part for all the truth seeker ,exposing Agniveer and co.
I am just a Muslim – Debunking ‘I am non-Arab Muslim’ Part-3
http://islamhinduism.com/responses/answering-agniveer/121-i-am-just-a-muslim-debunking-i-am-non-arab-muslim-part-3
@Neer Mohammad
bloody Arabs want to convert all the people of India into Muslim & want to make this country like Pakistan, Afganistan, Somaliya.
@Abdullah
If talking of national pride is frustration then I will get such frustrate lacs of times.I will oppose to all who support keeping woman as sex slaves, who are supporter of incest by supporting in Aadam & Eve ideology, Support marriage between 50 years old and 6year old child.
http://agniveer.com/5132/common-questions-vedic-religion/#comment-19134
@Neer Mohammad
Are u mediator, be refuter, put your refutation here do not wait for another person work to give us link. If you got understand put here in your way.
@Truth Seeker
You can ask Mr Vajra who am I?
Well For your info I am Writer And Associate Researcher On IHI.
The refutation is there. Why does not a member of your team dare to comment on our website? It shows that you are already unsure of your claims.
If you got the massage and you still disbelieve then it is you who takes you to hell or heaven.
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/cat/2020
@akhter
I got the message never bow head before stone, I will never bow head before stone Kaba. Do not include human in God prayer, I will never recite Mohamad name in God prayer, believe in God is omnipresent, I will never go to Kaba or 7th sky like fool Mohamad. Respect to woman, I will never make any woman sex salves in spite I will treat with them as a sister. Do not marry with a child, I will never marry with the girl less than 18 years old not six year as Mohamad did.I will Consider God just who whose punishment to one is finite for finite bad deed not infinite or finite deeds.I will consider God all-powerful, never require of prophets he himself can fill the heart of one with knowledge.
@akhter:
You are avoiding the question. Let me ask again. Be courteous enough to answer without avoiding it.
What if your “holy book” had decreed that Thursday is the day of Satan? Anyone born on Thursday ought to immediately be put to death. That is what Allah wishes. What would you do?
I will give you options to make it easier for you:
(a)The holy book is not holy at all. It is a piece of crap.
(b)Allah commands so. Quran is word of Allah. So, lets slaughter babies born on Thursday.
(c)None of the above.
If it is (c) then please explain what you would do. Avoid ducking the bouncer this time. Be a man and face up to it.
How about talking about the things which are in the Book,there are at least 1600 pages of it . So come lets have it!
still waiting!!!
@akhter
Keep waiting until KB comes. Its not some live chat you are doing. He will reply when comes in case he wishes to.
@akhter:
Well, if one cannot answer a simple question it is impertinent to expect the other party to continue the conversation. Yet, let me lay out my argument in the hope that you can absorb some of it. You see, most Muslims [including you] are like a full cup of hot tea filled to the brim. Any new addition only causes overflowing. You cannot move the cup as that too will cause spilling. So, I doubt if any of what follows will lead to any value addition to you.
Most people will say that if a book exhorts Momins to kill children born on Thursday it is a book of hatred and cannot be the word of a loving God. Now, this may be difficult for you to comprehend because you find yourself within Islam, but for many of us on the outside many of the Quranic passages are equally despicable. For instance, how best to beat your wife, how to treat Kaffirs, how to deal with apostasy, etc [I dont have time to quote exact passages here, but go look it up yourself. It may help if you clarify if you are a Quran+Hadith Muslim or if you are a Quran-only Muslim because you find the Hadiths paint old Mo is pretty bad light.] That is enough to make us not to touch Islam with a 10-foot pole. The more people that leave Islam, the better it is for humanity because of the hatred inherent within Islam.
If this is difficult for you to comprehend, I will ask you to do this thought experiment. Think of all the things you would like to have in a holy book – God is benevolent, God is omni present, details of spiritual practices, etc. At the other end of the continuum lay down things you would never hope to see in a holy book – kill children born on Thursday, etc. Try and think of other things that may lie along this continuum.
At a particular point along this continuum, if you are intellectually honest, you will probably place a marker or a threshold above which the stuff mentioned is so hateful that it cannot be the work of God. Quran falls above this threshold in the hate factor. So, it is more likely that it is the work of greedy…
So, it is more likely that it is the work of greedy Arab warlords wanting to slit each others’ throats. Enjoy your religion of hate.
Islam’s version of a loving benevolent God: Worship me only else I will torture you for eternity in hell!
Mr Akhter: Now my other name is Demahum. I have started a new violent cult called Malsi. A meteorite is housed inside Abaak. Those that do not show their rear end to Abaak while praying and those that do not think ME to be the last messenger and who do not worship me and Halla together will go to hell. They will be sodomized there repeatedly. If they loose their “wares” the “wares” will be given to them once again and they will be sodomized repeatedly. Will you join my cult?
Rushmore ,there is something about your name ,which may be connected with sort of person you are! Rush , Rushh Ruushhh Moooooorh
Adam and Eve had twin children. For instance boy and girl in one pregnancy and then again the twins.
When Prophet Adam (A.S) children grew old to get married, the boy of one twin got married to the girl of another twin.
It was prohibited for them to get married with the girl/boy with whom he/she got birth.
The twins could not marry each other but with another twins.
Allah SWT made it lawful for them for increasing the humanity. But when the humanity grew in number then it became unlawful to marry the person having same parents and blood. The list of such people is given in Quran.
Is there any explaination regarding teh creation of human and how he devolped??
Namaste akhter
———When Prophet Adam (A.S) children grew old to get married, the boy of one twin got married to the girl of another twin.———–
So what? Aren’t children from same parents born during different pregnancies brothers and sisters mutually?
———–Is there any explaination regarding teh creation of human and how he devolped??———
Yes. If you start with multiple couples be it evolution or creation 🙂
Many Adams and many Eves will work 😉 Why could not Allah think of this which needs no incest whatsoever even at the inception?
Vajra, every point and many more are fully explained in this link, i am still awaiting the version in vaadas of human creation!
http://www.questionsonislam.com/index.php?s=show_qna&id=829
@akhter
Do you first accept the fallacy in your previous comment in which you tried to run away saying Adam’s twins did not marry but couples from different twins got married?
Now before continuing this discussion further, let me know what you will do if we provide you creation as per Vedas? What is your motivation behind this discussion? Is it to enlighten us with the TRUTH of Islam alone or you have scope of getting yourself convinced with Vedic philosophy if it is proven better than Islam?
If it is latter then please continue with this. If it is former then bye bye..
The reason i delayed the answer to your question ,is quite apparent ,as you had already made your mind up ,which you could not wait any longer , the if bushiness dosen,t make any sense the whole quran was revealed 1435 years ago , and is to stay till the end of times , now i say to you again no superstition in islam every day is wonderful as it belongs to God and if God has made some days more blessed than the others then be it .Again i say to go and have a look at the mother of all the Books ,and you will see not a single verse against humaniy,as long as you do not misquote ,or take it out of context!
If the fact of creation from Islam is not making sense to you or you are not satisfied , then you must have a view different to the one in Islam which you think makes sense,so lets have it ! whether it will enlighten us or shove us back in the hole will depend on your version.
Mother of all the books that only came to existence 1435 years ago much later than all the other books, in contrast to the far more ancient faiths of Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and Christianity had scriptures centuries to thousands of years before Islam.
Adam and Eve are from the Jewish faith. It is the Jewish faith’s creation story. Islam is an Arab pagan’s rip off and distortion of Judaism. Mohammed had an inferiority complex to the Jews and thought their faith was superior to those of his Arab polytheists ancestors and people. He wanted to be the last prophet of the Jewish faiths of Judaism and Christianity, not of his own people’s Arab religion. And you Indian Muslims follow this Arabized distorted version of Judaism of an Arab pagan Mohammed who felt ashamed of his own people’s faith and admired another’s. Thanks to Mohammed and his own inferiority complex. NOT ONE Arab religion exists today. His distorted version of Judaism destroyed his own Arab people’s own native religions. And now Islam demands that all other religions go the way of the Arab religions and only the inferiority complexed Mohammed’s distorted version of Judaism be the one faith of the world.
Mohammed is NOT better at being Jewish than the Jews. Indian Muslims are not better at being Jewish than the Jews. Arab pagan Islam is not the correct version of Middle Eastern Judaism.
@jay. moolshankar was a copy cat, he has copied one ishwara concept from Islam. he was infected by inferiority complex disease by seeing pure monotheism in Muslims and worship of crores gods in Hindus .
to misguide peoples like you he has constructed one ishwara concept based on veda. he mistranslated veda to misguide hindus otherwise he knows that Islam is only true religion .
aryasamaj is nothing but a filthy work to misguide Hindus and to stop hindus from accepting islam and to continue the supermacy of certain castes on religion .
have you got the answer?
iSLAM AND MULLAS AND mUHAMMAD WERE IDIOTS.tHEY KNEW NOTHING.tHEY COPIED ONE iSHWAR CONCEPT FROM vEDIC RELIGION.aNTI-AGNI IS ALSO AN IDIOT.
@vinay, tujhse kaha h ki galiyan dena band kar. kiyun tu nafrat paida kar raha h. aryasamaji kiya galiyon k bina nahi reh sakta?
one god concept is nothing new sikhism,judaism,zorastrianism also talk about one god in that case i can say islam copied judaism and zorastrianism with the acceptence of jesus the vedas only speaks of one god hindus dont worship many gods weather your aryas samaj or any other hindu they all agree god is one but other hindus see god in different forms it doesnt matter which form you worship some shiva,some vishnu,some saraswati etc and islam and arya samaj have so many differences the closes thing to arya samaj is sikhism which swami dayanand saraswati saw and understood after his visit to punjab he got great respect for sikhism after seeing some of the similarties.
@anti-agni
Again I do not know what your weird obsession with Aryasamaj is. It is so ridiculous to see you paint everyone as either Aryasamaj or getting their information from Aryasamaj. That does not make your argument stronger but sillier. Like I have told you before, I don’t have anything to do with this Aryasamaj. I do not know their works. I am not going to make assumptions about the quality of their works. What I have learned is that Aryasamaj really bug you to the point you are like a broken record using them as an epithet. So boring.
You cannot refute that Islam is but a poor Arab derivative of the Middle Eastern faith Judaism. Adam and Eve religious story are from the Jewish faith, from the ethnic group of Middle Eastern Jews. You guys try to pass that off their stories as yours. Adam and Eve and other religious stories are not originally from Mohammed’s Arabized and paganized version of Judaism, Islam, but from the real Jewish faith of Middle Eastern Jews, Judaism. You go off on a tangent talking about someone named Moolshankar and Aryasamaj again.
You know what, Islam itself did NOT originate the idea of the oneness of God that you so sadly claim this moolshankar copied it from. Islam copied it from Judaism. You know Mohammed’s Arab people were polytheists. Even that Mohammed copied from Judaism – the oneness of God, Jewish religious stories etc… Mohammed felt his own Arab people’s faith was inferior to the Jewish faith – just like how you feel your ancestral faith is inferior to this Arabized paganized faith of Judaism, Islam. Sorry but we Hindus do not share your inferiority complex to Judaism or Mohmmed’s sad version of Judaism, Islam.
If I were to convert it would be to the real faith of Judaism by the Middle Eastern Jews where the religious stories such as Adam and Eve come from that you pass off as Islamic, where the oneness of God originally came from – not Islam. I would not convert to some hack derivative of Judaism, Islam, created by an inferiority complexed Arab pagan, Mohammed, who pathetically wanted to be the last prophet not of this own people’s faith but of the Jews. The Jews are the best most knowledgeable people Judaism, not an Arab ignorant Mohammed. Their faith Judaism is the most correct version of Judaism, not Mohammed’s Arabized and paganized version of Judaism Islam. Nice thing about the real Jews is that they do not need converts.
You Muslims will never be better at being Jewish than the REAL Jews. Islam is not a better version of Judaism that the REAL faith of Judaism. You have nothing to offer but a sad inaccurate derivative of Judaism.
@anti-agni
tu acchi juban ke layak bhi hai.
bhagavan ram par tumne kaisi tippani kari.
dayanand ko tumne kkya kaha.
mujhe bhi to tumne galiya bhi di.
kintu maine tumhe kaunsi gali di?kya tum dikha bhi sakate ho.
tumne manghadant aryasamaj ke vivah invitation card k bare me kaha.
pahle tu khud ko to dekh.
aur tu mujhe kahana kya chahata hai.yahi na ki ham muslim tumhe mar denge.
yadi himmat hai to puri police ke sath tere doud ke sath ana mere ghar pe dekh loonga mai.
tum yaha kahana chahate ho ki mai muhammad ko bura kisi muslaman ke bbare me nahi kaha sakata,ja re ja gangoo teli.tere jaise bahut dekhe hai duniya me.duniya tere jaise murkho si bhari hui hai.aur tum unme se hai.
aur kan khol ke sun le mullo aur anti agni
dayanand is rasthr ka yug purodha hai.usne is rasthra ko vo diya jo koi na de saka.jaise mahatma gandhi par koi gandi tippani nahi kar sakata vaise hi maharshi dayanand ke baare me bura bolna mana hai.tumhra paigambar is desh ko kya de gaya.siway maar kaat aur loot paat.kya diya tumhare mullao ke siway ladai jhagado ke.
aur yadi mai muhammad ko gali bhi de do tere kya laga.yah desh bharat vasiyo ka hai na ki musalamano ka.yadi musalman is desh me rahana chahe to is desh ke vasiyo ke sath tamiz se baat kare.kintu yadi unhe kuran ka itna hi hath abhiman hai to ve jakar pakistan aur taliban me bas jay anyatha theek na rahega.
kasab jo ki pakka musalman hai mumbai me dhamake karata hai usko fansi dekane par musalaman yaha kahata hai ki hama hamala karege.ek to hamare bhaiyo ko itni badi sankhya me mare aur dandniya ko saja dene par tum ham par badbadate ho.
ayah mulk hamara(aryo) ka tha,hai aur rahega.tum jaise gali bakane waale mlecho ka nahi.is desh me sada se arya raja jaise ram,krishn,arjun,shiv,vishnu,dashrath,ashvapati raj kiya karate the aur ab arya samaj ke sangathan ke baad dubara vaha yug aayega.dekhte raho musalmano.
ek to musalmano ne is desh me itni gaye kati,itne logo ka katla kiya aur ham dekhte raha jaay.wah ji wah!mai deshdrohi nahi apitu deshbhakt hu.aur deshbhakt se pareshani kewala aur kewal deshdrohi ko ho sakati hai.
mai nafrat paida kar raha hu???akhir tumne aisa kaise kaha diya?mai to pure vishwa ko arya banane ko kahata hu jisase sabki parampara ek ho aur tum mujhe nafrat paida karane waala kahate ho!jhooth bolna tum kab chodoge.are tumne to ram krishna dayanand par khub lanchan uchale aur kahate ho ki mai nafrat paida kar raha hu.yah anya hai.tum anyaykari ho musalman.maine tumhe jaan liya hai.nikal jaao mere desh se varana thik na rahega!!!
yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhavati bharataha abhyutthaanam adharmasya tadaatmaanam srijamyaham.
jaba jab bharat dssh par akraman hue tab tab koi ishwar putra paida hota hai aur desh ko maut ke muh se bachata hai.kabhi ram hue kabhi krishna hue,kabhi arjun hue,kabhi laxman hue kabhi nanak kabhi dev dayanand kabhi bhagat kabhi subhash to kabhi rajguru.yaha desh veer javano ka haipakistan jaise kamjor aur musalmano ka nahi hai.kuran me koi yoddha paida hua suna kisi ne.ahahahahaha
isliye he murkh anti-agni!tu apana kumarg chodkar sumarg apana le to tere jivan ka kalyan hoga.ANYATHA JAISA RAM NE RAVAN KA KRISHNA NE KANSA KIYA VAISA HI HAAL TERA HOGA.mai koi kamjor kayar vyakti nahi hu ki jo chup baith jaayega aur aatankiyo ke gunagan karane lagega.mai papiyo ko kuchalane ka astya ko harana ka satya ko jitane ka hardam prayas karunga aur vah ab aur bhi dridhata aur purusharth ke saath.
@anti-agni
mere prashno ke javab ke baare me tu kab bakega?
@akhter:
Again i say to go and have a look at the mother of all the Books
Quran is a very ordinary book. There is nothing mind-blowingly amazing in it. The “morals” within it are quite abominable.
and you will see not a single verse against humaniy,as long as you do not misquote ,or take it out of context!
Please explain to me the context under which one can beat one’s wife and one can kill an apostate. We get multiple people like you from time to time. See here for an old discussion between some of us and someone who wanted to justify death penalty for apostasy. If you have something more to say in addition to AHMAD on the other thread, say so. If you are going to simply rehash his arguments, dont bother. I have better things to do than argue the same thing over and over again!
If quran is an ordinary book then there is a four line sura which gives you the definition of monotheism in it ,
Say He is Allah,
The One and Only;
Allah,the Eternal,Absoluter;
He begets not,
Nor is He begotten;
And there is none
Like unto Him
Now seeing you consider yourself extraordinary ,then give us the better alternative of oneness of a creator.
@akhter
I gave you a link previously that you ignored because your mind is not ready to even think that monotheism can be found in Vedas. Visit http://satyagni.com/4270/islam-tauheed/ and compare Vedas and Islam.
I give here a portion of it that will help you getting something that you would have never imagined!
स पर्यगात् शुक्रं अकायं अव्रणम् असनाविरं शुद्धमपापविद्धम. कविर्मनीषी परिभूः स्वयंभूः याथातथ्यतो अर्थान् व्यदधात शाश्वतीभ्यः समाभ्यः. [यजुर्वेद ४०/८] This is from Yajurved 40:8.
Meaning- That Supreme Being IS omnipresent, All-powerful, He IS NEVER EMBODIED, IS NEVER BORN, IS never liable to division and IS free from nervous or arterial systems, never commits a sin, is never subject to pain, grief and ignorance and the like, Pure, Perfect, Omniscient, Inward Controller of all, Ruler of All, ETERNAL and SELF EXISTENT. He has from all eternity been teaching uncreated immortal human souls, the true knowledge of things through the revelation of the Veda – His eternal knowledge.
Words in bold in this Mantra depict the ENTIRE Surah Ikhlas. And many more properties of God are given that author of Quran could not incorporate in Ikhlas. Enjoy..
@ Akhther: Why should Allah be a HE?
@akhter
_______Allah,the Absoluter_______
Absoluter=unchangeable, but Allah was alone till the billion of years before universe inception, suddenly he changed his HIS MIND & rejected the thinking of living alone and got the idea of creation. Here he had changed his very nature. Allah kept on sending prophets till the million of years but now he has changed his mood & not sent any prophet since 1400 years & there is permanent ban on prophet sending for human welfare. Here Allah has changed his mood again.
But I expect a change again in Allah mood by removing ban of prophet sending.
So, What absoluter Allah is?
Bro KB
Enjoy the mother of all books that is surprisingly younger than its kids (Torah, Bible etc) 🙂
Or in other words, mother (Quran) was born after her children retired 😉 This should be called as Jihadi intellectual bomb that every Jihadi nowadays carries and detonates at forums like ours and claims his win.
@Vajra Bro:
Good observation! The sad part is that Momins think everything that has to be said has been said in the Quran 🙁
Now this point needs a detailed explanation, and just as you are either mislead or misconceived what the ayah that speaks about discipling the wife really means. This information posted will give you a clear understanding of how this should be understood Inshallah. No way brutally beating your wife acceptable or causing her harm.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
The verse you mentioned has been greatly misconceived by many people who focus merely on its surface meaning, taking it to allow wife beating. When the setting is not taken into account, it isolates the words in a way that distorts or falsifies the original meaning. Before dealing with the issue of wife-battering in the perspective of Islam, we should keep in mind that the original Arabic wording of the Holy Quran is the only authentic source of meaning. If one relies on the translation alone, one is likely to misunderstand it.
Commenting on this issue, Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America, states:
“According to Quran the relationship between the husband and wife should be based on mutual love and kindness. Allah says: “And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.” (Quran: Ar-Rum 21) The Holy Quran urges husbands to treat their wives with kindness. (In the event of a family dispute, Quran exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to overlook her positive aspects). Allah Almighty says: “Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.” (Quran: An-Nisaa 19)
It is important that a wife recognizes the authority of her husband in the house. He is the head of the household, and she…
@akhter
Can i replace Allah with shiva and still be a muslim. The foreign name of god is not my culture. I will rename allah to shiva and do prayer five times a day. Do i become muslim then?
On a lighter note, the relationship between the husband and his wives (and sex slaves) should be based on mutual love and kindness, methinks.
Now there are two families ,numbering 13 people in our village who have converted to Christianity ,and are still alive , in fact there are about 2 million ex Muslims now Christians
still alive ,one can argue regarding equal rights ,which i am whole hartedly for , but they are there as a fact, and there is no verse in Quran which orders killing of an apostate. so i am sorry you are wrong again ,and do not tell me what to read or which site to go to ,if you find it hard to answer then go home and do some gardening or else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuLQv0CtexY
@akhter:
You will not read any link I provide but you expect me to watch a video you link to…
In any case, good that you are coming out against death for apostasy. Now the question becomes, why is Pakistan officially an Islamic country? If people are free to convert and deconvert between multiple ideologies, why even call such a country Islamic? So, here is the question again – why is Pakistan Islamic? What happens if 51% of the country converts into Buddhism? What happens then?
Then it will be a Buddhist country, you idiot!
@akhter
hey jackass, ever heard of term SECULAR? Perhaps not, fanatics like you remain deaf and dumb. prick.
@akhter:
Then it will be a Buddhist country, you idiot!
So, in principle, you are FOR free conversion of people from one religion to another without death penalty. If 51% of the “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” became Buddhist, in principle, you will support renaming it the “Buddhist Republic of Pakistan”. And if 50 years later people renounce Buddhism and embrace Hinduism, you will support renaming your country the “Hindu Republic of Pakistan”? Is this an accurate representation of your position?
quran is copy cat book of vedas because muslims themselves quote from vedas..lolzz…and after copying they corrupted it by dividing humanity in muslims/non-muslims and luring them with sex slaves.virgins,heaven,polygamy(4 wives),miracles etc..
Yes you made me lough!
Bangladeshi Hindus Beg To The Prime Minister to Save their Temple from Islamic Jehadies
http://hindurevolution.blogspot.com/2011/06/bangladeshi-hindus-beg-to-prime.html
Hindu community people have sought intervention of the prime minister to save an over 50-year old temple at Sutrapur in the city from grabbers.
They sought the prime minister’s hand for saving the Sri Sri Ram Sita Temple at a press conference at Dhaka Reporters Unity on Monday.
Ganesh Chandra Ghosh, president of the temple management committee, alleged that Shamim Ahmed was trying to grab the temple land, once owned by zemindar [landlord] Ramesh Chandra Singha of Durgapur in Mymensingh, claiming that he had bought the land.
He said the land on Joy Kali Mandir road is identified as ‘temple’ in cadastral survey [CS] and ongoing Dhaka city survey.
He alleged that Shamim took a loan from Motijheel branch of Rupali Bank showing fake document of ownership of the temple land.
Shamim was sent to jail following a case filed by the temple committee.
“After coming out of jail on bail, he is again claiming the land and trying to sell it to others. We, the Hindu community people, cannot go to the temple to worship in fear,” Ghosh added.
General secretary of Sutrapur Puja Celebration Committee Bhaskar Chowdhury and joint general secretary of the temple management committee Arun Sarker Rana were also present at the press conference.
The answer to such conversions is in your comment itself. The reason they are alive still is because they converted, moron.
@vinay, maine kisi police ya daud ki baat nahi ki mein keh raha hun ki agar eik baap ki aulad h to kisi musalman k saamne huzoor s.a.w ko gali bak k dikha. tum ullu k paththe shadi ko sex likhte ho. tune jis line mein mere liye likhatha ki tootha hoota english..ulluh k paththe…jo ki mere yahan gaali hi h aur mein tujhe lota raha hun .
ram g ko maine gaali nahi di ache andaz se question kiya ja sakta h..par tu ulluh ka patha aryasamaji shadi ko sex likhte ho isiliye mein ne aryon ka card likha.
India tere baap ki country nahi h.. tum log to kha rahe ho corruption kar karke. arya khud invaders hain jinhone yahan k logon ko shudra banaya.
islam satya dharm h aur kisi country ka nahi h aur usne diya h jisne yeh country aur sansar banaya h. par tu Allah aur rasool ko galiyan deta h to tere kuch samajh na ayega.
Tu legally bhi India mein Allah aur rasool ko gali nahi de saktan agar is website par aisi h galiyan di jati rahin to hum legal action lenge agniveer group k khilaf. gali dedekar tum provoke karte ho kiyunki tumse kuch aata h nahi.
answer dena zaroori nahi..yeh vedic site h isliye Quran aur Islam ka jaeab nahi diya jayega.
waise tu simple se arguments nahi samajh sakta to answer kiya samjhega. kitne din baad tune anarya deshon par tune kitne din baad answer diya woh bhi agniveer se different .
@anti-agni
_________ki agar eik baap ki aulad h to kisi musalman k saamne huzoor_____
I daily meet several Mulslim & ask them about Mohammed. But they do not know much about Mohammed and say he was a saintly person like Kabirdas, Nanank, Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teressa etc.. When I ask them he did sex with 9 years old girl, they says this is wrong and false. Such things are falsely written in the books to trash the good people.
———-slam satya dharm h______________
Islam is not Dharma but religion. Do you know characteristic of Dharma. What is difference between religion and Dharma. Dharma is eternal and everlasting have no beginning date while religion is made / a political agenda.
@sanatani. Koi question poochta h to mujhe bhi bahut khushi hoti h par shadi kari aisa poocho then you are welcome lekin sex kara? Kiya yeh question hota h? Mein yeh poochun ki sanatani aapke parents ne shadi kab ki thi aur yeh poochun ki tere ma Baap ne pehla sex kab kiya? kiya koi difference nahi?
Islam is way of life.. innad dina indal lahil islam .
dharma varma hum tum logon ko samjhane k liye kehte hn warna islam mein zindagi k har shobe k liye guidance h..
@anti-agni
Bro, when a 50, 60 or 80 years old man did marry with 6 years old girl What will you call it? Brother, in a civilized society can such things be accepted? Only, savage people can have no problem with such things.
_____Mein yeh poochun ki sanatani aapke parents ne shadi kab ki thi _____
At the time of marriage my mother was 19 years old, well educated, cultured and understanding what is meant of marriage. And my father was 25 years old, stood on his feet, observed strict celibacy (Brahamcharya till the 25). For a civilized/cultured person sex is just for getting child not enjoyment.
_______islam mein zindagi k har shobe k liye guidance h____
Can I know how does belief and non-belief in Mohammed affects the life of a person? How non-belief in angles, GAbriel, jinns can not be a way of life.
@sanatani, we have many time answered you and you yourself know the answer so i don’t want to repeat and i don’t want your acceptance. you are free to reject but you can’t say a marriage to sex.
after menses a girl is mature enough to marry. You can’t say or call her child. there is difference of time also. that is fourteen hundreds year old case and specially a hot region . there is difference in old and present time peoples physique and also hot region peoples physique is difference from cold region .
you can’t understand until you imagine a 1400years old desert.
@anti-agni
Brother, Suppose your wife name is Safiya and someone attacks at your house and kill the all male members of house. Will your wife do marry with that person on the same night who killed her husband, father, brother etc. But attacker claim he did marry with Safiya (Your wife) not rape/sex. But how society should take it?
http://alisina.org/blog/2011/01/02/muhammad-raped-safiyah/
Did Muhammad rape Safiyah?
And you did not answer
_______islam mein zindagi k har shobe k liye guidance h____
Can I know how does belief and non-belief in Mohammed affects the life of a person? How non-belief in angles, GAbriel, jinns can not be a way of life.
@sanatani, do you have faith in alisina? tell me was saffiyyah r.a mrried at battle of nazar or she was virgin?
was she married same day or later?
May be alissina cheating u and taking advantage of your hatred and foolishness? may be he is leading u to hell fire.
@anti-agni
__________ do you have faith in alisina_____
I think Ali Sina is like saintly person. Whenever someone curses him he prays for him also. He is not like Mohammed who cursed the non-believer in him and abused them. According to Ali Sina he can not live in heaven peacefully if his critics and in hell just for criticizing and non-believing in him. He prays to God for enlightenment of his critics. He believes in Golden rule.
Ali Sina is fan of Jesus because
Jesus asked for forgiveness for those who crucified him, Muhammad had so much hatred in his heart for those who rejected him that he often cursed them.
Mubahila: The Islamic Cursing Tournament
http://alisina.org/blog/2012/02/17/mubahila-the-islamic-cursing-tournament/
Akhtar ji Namaskar,
Padkar bahut dukh hua ki 13 million muslims are converted to Christianity. They must have suffered a lot in their lives, otherwise who believe in Mr Muhammad and strictly follow Namaz/Rozas, what prompted them to leave islam.
Please read your lines and give some scientific facts. You are now the victim of Taqiya of your own. No non-muslims aka kafirs have the authority to dissaprove your Taqiya-Kalaam. Islam has the authority of implementing Sharia laws of Arabs-who are still not civilized now. Arabs you had been living in the in-fertile land and led a life in caravans with filthy nights have got everything changed now. However, they can never can get onething improved- that is their civilization. Reason is simple – they have no civilization but a tribal life.
– A Tribal Life vs Civilized life of Indians
– A Hungry Stomach vs Golden Spicy food
– A thirsty mouth full of urine vs hundreds of rivers
– A Lizard-eater vs Vasudhaiv Kutumbkam
– A Woman-Exploiter vs Nariyastu Pujyante theme
– God is great vs Guardian is similar to God( be a mother or father or a guru)
Inshallah you would come and join better path, irrespective of any country, religion or community.
2 million =13 millions as they have illegal wives and children as well.
Just a typo error.
@Neer:
Well For your info I am Writer And Associate Researcher On IHI
LOL. Researcher on what? Adam and Eve theory? Mo flying on horse theory? Mo splitting moon theory? Mo calling himself prophet theory?
@ KalBhairav
Well your and others comments shows the state of minds of yours.
this remind me one saying
………………..Khisyani billi khamba noche………….
Have a Good day
http://islamhinduism.com/responses/answering-agniveer/121-i-am-just-a-muslim-debunking-i-am-non-arab-muslim-part-3
@Neer:
What exactly DO you research to call yourself “Associate Researcher”?
@KalBhairav, I think Neer should research
How a man would sex with 72 virgins at one time, Research Why Allah stopped showing mercy on humans by stopping prophets’s sending for human welfare , Research of Why Allah created Jinh & Saitan, Why Allah made to Mohamad illiterate, Why there is no mercy in Allah kingdom but eternal hell, Why Allah make soul to wait of millions of year to get his judgment, What suddenly happened to Allah, he got the idea of creation, Why Allah waited so much to send his revelation, Why Allah cancelled his previous revelation, Why Allah sits on 7th sky not on 6th, Why Allah made Allah made some people poor, handicapped, dumb from the birth. It is matter of shame Neer researched nothing in above but called himself researcher.
@Kalbhairav Neer is the waterboy for the boss of that site. Neer runs around like a headless chicken here and there. Neer in his capacity as the associate researcher has to first of all figure out why should the ankle be exposed when muslims wear a pyjama and if it is required to go to heaven.
@Parasuram:
Indeed! I am surprised someone calls oneself “Associate Researcher” proudly enough to put it up on Agniveer. This raises multiple questions:
(a)What does Neer research?
(b)Was he an “Assistant Researcher” before he became “Associate Researcher”?
(c)What great research did he do to earn the promotion in (b)?
(d)When does he hope to become full Professor, I mean full “Researcher”?
(e)Was this position advertised for? Where?
(f)What is his epistemology?
(g)Can he prove Adam/Eve existed? If not, his entire research foundation crumbles.
(h)Is his research peer-reviewed? It fails miserably based on some of our debunking on IH itself 😉
Actually Mushafiq, Neer and ZN are waterboys for their Arab masters. The Arabs are laughing at these Indian Momins being more Momin than the Arabs themselves!
And also research why Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Bangladesh is persecuting its minority peaceful hindus……..
@Neer
Before debunking Agniveer, how about refuting Ali Sina(an apostate) and his claims?
How about cleaning your own house first?
@Neer
Shall we assume now that your work is generally based on proving that Islam contains least number of errors from all the other religions of the world?
@ Kalbhairav Being more momin than the arab masters is what Stockholm syndrome is all about. In the history of this nation, there were many Sultans born to enslaved Hindu Mothers that ruled a few limited territories. For example Sultan Sikandar Lodi’s Mother was a Hindu that was forcefully taken by the senior Lodi. But the son was one of the worse bigots that was as merciless on Hindus as any other Islamic invader. And in Kashmir, an enslaved convert was the one that was ably assisting the operation break temples of Sikandar Butshikan.Zakir Naik has turned a whole bunch of normal Muslims into bigots. While he walks away with the money, these guys are being consumed by apathy to infidels.