- Why I am proud to be Hindu? Part 2
- Why I am proud to be Hindu? Part 1
- Fountainhead of all philosophies – Vedas
- Common questions on Vedic religion
- What is Vedic religion?
- Religion of Vedas
*Let us now analyze some of the wrong answers discussed earlier in http://agniveer.com/5095/what-is-vedic-religion/ and understand some worth-knowing aspects of Vedic religion.
How is Vedic religion different from Hinduism?
Hinduism is another term for Vedic religion. Basically Hinduism refers to the philosophy that emerged from Hindusthan or Indian sub-continent that is built on foundation of universal humanism and pursuit of inner intellect.
Name does not matter. You may call it Vedic religion, Hinduism or simply Humanism. What matters is the essence. This essence is same for every human being – be he or she belong to India, or Zambia, or Sweden or Saudi Arabia.
One would still continue to be called Vedic or Hindu or true Human even if he or she has never visited India or read any Indian text but still follows the basic tenet of rejecting falsehood and accepting truth from personal life and is respectful to same spirit in rest of the world.
In short, Vedic Religion or Hinduism refers to the spirit of universal humanism.
Can one refuse to believe in 4 Vedas and yet be follower of Vedic religion?
Yes. And several reasons for this.
– There is not one single mantra in entire Vedas that even remotely say that only those who believe in 4 Vedas are following Vedic religion. Yes, there are mantras that explain and lead us to conclude that Vedic religion and content of the 4 Vedas – both refer to same thing.
– The 4 Vedas contain codes of higher levels of truth. They are like detailed texts of Physics that contain very obvious concepts as well as more subtle concepts that can be mastered only after thorough practice and understanding. They are the foundation or first source of this Vedic religion. But just as a student of Class 6 claiming to know Physics merely because he mugged up the Einstein Paper on Theory of Relativity (that can be easily downloaded from google) would only be a subject of our laughter, in same vein, if someone claims to believe in 4 Vedas without actually knowing what Vedas mean would be equally laughable.
Most people claiming adherence to Vedic religion today actually fall in this category. And that is why despite their tall claims, they remain in miserable state in terms of their strength and impact on society.
An honest smart Vedic follower would simply assert that if we logically analyze the available information, we can conclude that Vedas are not some random creations by certain human beings and instead contain storehouse of basic to most advanced level of knowledge. And if that not be considered, then every other theory would have blatant contradictions and confusions to an extent that it would be impossible to decide what is right and what is wrong. And hence we should endeavor to explore the meaning of Vedas.
But this would come ONLY as a conclusion of a thought process and not as a blind dogma to begin with.
– There may be several reasons – previous knowledge, past experiences, thinking capacity, preferences etc – that would color the thinking process of an individual and hence it would not be as obvious for everyone to accept Vedas as divine or ultimate texts, as it may be for a few of us.
– Swami Dayanand once said that not everyone can be scholars but everyone can be Dharmic (honest) for sure. So if one is honest to his or her best intentions by denying infallibility of Vedas, he or she is STILL Vedic. In fact they are MORE Vedic than those blind herds who follow Vedas simply because they were told so. Had such blind followers would have been born in some other location, they may well have become blind followers of some other texts.
– If believing in Vedas be necessary to be follower of Vedic religion, it would mean that those who could not get access to books of 4 Vedas due to geography or poverty etc can never be followers of Vedic religion. Thus Vedic religion becomes religion of ONLY the fortunate ones. And hence, the claim of Supreme in Vedas itself that the knowledge of Vedas is for all human beings regardless of gender or profession or birth goes wrong!
– In reality, the whole concept of 4 Vedas is that the knowledge within them is already within us in same manner as spokes are attached to center of a wheel. By exercising the powers of our mind smartly, we reveal the knowledge that already lies within us! Refer Yajurveda 34.5. So the study of 4 Vedas externally is also a way to unravel the knowledge within. One can do so by mugging up 4 external Vedas or shouting Kalmas asserting one’s loyalty towards it. Or start with the most innate trait of rejecting falsehood proactively, keep gaining knowledge and performing worthwhile actions to build the basic foundation. And then guided by the inner voice, move ahead to master even the external 4 Vedas or whatever else is deemed necessary for achieving higher echelons of truth by a smarter soul.
In today’s context, this later way is much more natural and practical for most of us. Even someone like Swami Dayanand had to follow this approach to be the most renowned scholar of Vedas.
– While many mantras of Vedas have fairly intuitive meanings that are easy to be grasped by most of us, yet all mantras do contain deeper meanings that can be unraveled only with further and further mind control. There is a mantra that states that just as a loyal wife only comes close to her husband, in same manner meaning of Vedic mantras are understood only by the deserving. So no one on earth can claim to have understood the Vedas properly. Everyone is just a preliminary student. And hence, no one is competent enough in first place to put precondition of allegiance to Vedas – the ultimate benchmarks – for someone to adopt Vedic religion. This would be as foolish as refusing someone admission in primary school because he did not admit that sin^2y + cos^2y = 1!
So yes, belief in 4 Vedas as divine or benchmarks of wisdom may be a natural conclusion for many of us. But this is NOT a precondition to be admitted to school of Vedic religion.
The precondition is only ONE – Accept truth by rejecting falsehood!
Can one refuse to believe in God and still be follower of Vedic religion?
Yes, and the reasons are almost same as above. Further there is an additional reason:
– Vedic God is different from God of Bible, Quran or Purans. Most people when they refuse to believe in God are actually refusing to accept superstitions in name of God as propagated in name of religion. The anathema of West against God is only for the God of Bible. This is justifiable because God of Bible has many contradictory properties and at times acts like a mortal human being. But Vedic God is different. In fact God may not be the right word to denote the Vedic concept of Supreme.
The Vedic concept is much more intuitive and natural – that there is a source of unchangeable laws of the world that govern this world and us. Physicists may simply call it Law of Nature. Now a smart Vedic follower adds a dash of positivity into this and says that this source of unchangeable laws is acting in a manner that we can enhance our happiness through right actions. We are neither left in lurch like orphans nor allowed to escape fruits of our action. So there is a well-founded optimism that the laws of nature ensure justice and support. We believe so because we see this very obvious in world around and in our innate tendencies.
But someone intellectual who was nurtured in a society that had completely different notions of a Supreme entity – an anthropomorphic entity, or a moody emperor, or a magician etc – may find such a God hard to digest. And it would be difficult for him to dissociate word God from this meaning and give it a new meaning in perspective of Vedas. For example, Arya is a very noble word. But in Germany, people would somehow try to link it with some sort of racism because of the Hitler episode. These words trigger certain emotions due to their previous associations and hence difficult for many to appreciate any new meaning easily.
Thus atheism is a natural and rightly-directed aversion of a truth-seeker from what his mind considers as unfounded notions. So in being atheist, he or she is STILL acting as a loyal follower of Vedic religion.
In other words, a truth-seeking atheist or agnostic or even a superstitious believer in some other notion of God is STILL a Vedic person, if he or she believes in these notions honestly after whatever experience, expertise, intellect that they possess at a given moment in time.
Yes. We have already discussed some reasons above. Let us add a few more:What about Havan, Sandhya etc? Can one be Vedic without adopting these healthy practices?
– Havan and Sandhya are very healthy practices but their nature and method is geography and time bound. Havan means burning useful products to purify environment. Sandhya is a form of meditation and self-suggestion to gain stronger spiritual powers. Now Vedas do not prescribe a specific method of conducting these. Their form and methods have varied over ages. So to associate Vedic religion with any such ritualistic practice would be against the very essence of Vedas.
– But yes, Havan and Sandhya are powerful techniques for a healthy mind, body and environment being practiced since ages. Depending upon one’s intellect level and past experiences, one may take time to understand their significance and right customized method suited to one’s own level. But till that happens, only a dogmatic mind would outcast such a person from Vedic religion. On contrary, dogmatics have no place in Vedic religion.
So while one can say that Havan, Sandhya, waking early, brushing teeth, exercising, proper hygiene are hallmarks of a rational well-intentioned person, one cannot deny admission to Vedic school to anyone merely because his background did not allow him to appreciate the benefits of these practices.
– Further Vedas contain hundreds of healthy recommendations for us all. I would say that Havan and Sandhya are among the least emphasized ones. Virtues like early morning routine, having a muscular strong body through strenuous exercising, not compromising an inch in matters of principles and morality, working proactively for uplift of nation and destruction of its enemies etc are more emphasized ones. So one can then choose another set of recommendations (like 5 mile jogging and 40 pushups daily) and start terminating Havan/ Sandhya compliant students from school of Vedic religion!
The simple point is that all these are next levels in specific subjects, but not entry-exit criteria for Vedic religion.
So you mean Arya Samaj is not necessarily follower of Vedic religion?
Arya Samaj etymologically means a society of noble persons. So from this perspective, all people who follow Vedic religion are also Arya Samaji.
Now Swami Dayanand Saraswati started Arya Samaj in late 19th century to unite intellectual people into worthy actions. Thus his criteria were not the most preliminary but a more intermediate level so that they could not only act as followers of right principles but as well be teachers of these principles. So all intermediate to advanced students of Vedic religion formed the Arya Samaj. He thus formulated a 10 point principles of Arya Samaj.
But he even attempted to attract the more basic students through a variety of means. He had in his various other ventures, even those people who did not adopt all the principles of Arya Samaj but yet were right-intentioned aka followers of Vedic religion. Thus his Paropkarini Sabha had even someone like Justice Ranade who was a noble person but not member of Arya Samaj as formulated by Swami Dayanand.
Cutting the story short, all those who sincerely understand and believe in 10 principles of Arya Samaj are undoubtedly followers of Vedic religion. They are in fact worthy lighthouse of society and they proved so by initiating various social reforms and freedom movement in India. Swami Dayanand wanted to address imminent needs of the society and Arya Samaj represents those eligible students of Vedic religion who had potential to act as torch bearers. Who possessed a minimal level of intellect, knowledge and dedication. Who could act as leaders of rest of the society.
But this does not preclude other noble souls who did not explicitly believe in 10 principles of Arya Samaj because of a variety of reasons, as discussed in previous sections, from being termed as great followers of Vedic religion. Thus all freedom fighters, social reformers, soldiers who sacrificed their lives for Mother nation are all proud examples of Vedic religion. All scientists who put their best efforts to unravel mysteries of nature through an honest thinking process were also great examples of Vedic religion.
Note that it is never that someone is either follower of Vedic religion or not a follower of Vedic religion. This is true for Christian or Muslim. One is either a Muslim or a non-Muslim. Christian or a non-Christian. But one can be Vedic in one aspect of life and non-Vedic in another. Further, the degree of adherence also varies from time to time. So Vedic religion is a light. There is hardly a place that has absolutely zero photons. But intensity of light may vary from place to place and time to time.
For sake of simplicity, we call those people as followers of Vedic religion who proactively invite this light of wisdom in their lives regardless of their existing darkness. Those who at least attempt to open their windows to sunlight regardless of how tight and jam it may be.
Coming back to Arya Samaj, in modern times, Arya Samaj has become a very confusing word. It does etymologically represent society of noble persons and there are many dedicated followers of 10 principles of Arya Samaj as laid out by Swami Dayanand Saraswati. They are indeed great examples of Vedic religion – the more advanced students! However they are individuals.
But there is also an institute or organization named Arya Samaj that runs through huge number of Arya Samaj temples and various organizational bodies etc. Who are very famous in Bollywood for supplying priests for scenes of marriage. And who earn a huge income through marriage of eloped couples. This spineless culture of Arya Samaj is nothing more than a mockery of the legacy of Swami Dayanand and anything but Vedic religion. They may do their Havans, Sandhyas and shout slogans of ‘Vedic Dharma ki Jai’, and hold public meetings attended by big-shots politicians and tycoons. But their intent is well observable from their tangible outputs. There is a fundamental Vedic principle that those who claim to have greater knowledge and capability should also deserve greatest punishment. Refer http://agniveer.com/4272/manu-smriti-and-punishment/.
Another principle states that the frauds should be respected not even by words. So this Arya Samaj – which is nothing more than a grand disorganized kitty party – deserves the lowest marks if one were to score the entire population on Vedic Dharma compatibility.
Our recommendation would be to stay away from kitty-parties if you sincerely want to transform your own life and that of society through adoption of Vedic Dharma or Vedic religion.
I do not agree to all that is written in Satyarth Prakash or in Agniveer site. I have my differences. I find another method of worship effective. Can I still be a follower of Vedic religion?
As we have said earlier, you have your right to differ or even counter not only Agniveer site or Satyarth Prakash – source of most of Agniveer concepts – but also the 4 Vedas. The ONLY criteria is that you should be doing so with genuineness and without bias. The reason to defend something should NOT be that we have been believing so for past several months or years, or because we have given a public statement in its favor, or because it forms basis of our profession, or because we may be ridiculed or punished if we change our stand. The only basis of defending something should be that we honestly believe that it is correct. And yet we should always have one door open for any change that may come tomorrow as we gather new information and process further.
This is a natural way that we all adopt to become mature. Or else, after our brains had fully grown up by age of 4, we would have remained as dumb forever! So Vedic religion is all about being in harmony with nature without bringing false ego in picture!
How is Vedic religion different from other cults or religions?
– All other cults come in package deals. You have certain core beliefs, some books, some prophets, some priests, some rituals and some prophecies. You have to either accept all or be out. Even if you in reality accept only a few components of the package, you still have to publicly announce allegiance to the entire package. So in a way, falsehood is promoted. You must announce your loyalty to what you can neither verify nor logically understand nor find reasonable or face exit.
Vedic religion is made to fit. You believe in only what you find logically sound, reasonable, intuitive and what you can understand right now. You can refuse to claim allegiance to any book, saint, belief etc and yet be Vedic so far you adhere to honesty.
– All other cults work on binary logic. Either you are one of them or an outcast. Vedic religion is not a cult. You are naturally Vedic. And as per your intents, you are less or more Vedic in various aspects of life. Its between you and the Supreme Force (whatever label you may give it – God, Ishwar, Laws of Nature etc) and no one has right to pass judgment on whether you believe in this religion or not.
– Vedic religion is inspired directly by the oldest text of the humankind – the 4 Vedas. It considers only eternal principles and leaves everything that is geography or time specific to wisdom of individual and society. Further, it does not even demand allegiance to 4 Vedas also. Ved means knowledge or enlightenment. So any approach in life that is knowledge seeking is Vedic religion.
– You cannot be a Muslim and Christian at the same time. But you can be a Vedic even though you are a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu or a Jew or whatever.
– While all other religions mean blindly accepting certain sets of assumptions, Vedic religion means being enterprisingly honest.
So your Vedic religion has no basis, no benchmarks, no foundation. One can do whatever he or she wants and still be Vedic. Huh! It is better to be more disciplined by following a cult like Christianity or Islam.
This only reflects that we have become mental prisoners. A prisoner who has been kept in a dark cell finds the sunlight of freedom unbearable. There are true stories of convicts committing suicide because they found free life so uncomfortable. They could not even relieve themselves unless someone blew a whistle! Vedic religion is definitely not for the lovers of prisons. Its all about freeing yourself.
But Vedic religion is also not about being undisciplined. It is, on contrary, all about being RATIONALLY disciplined. So Vedic religion is not about succumbing to lust because you seem to find it most enjoyable in a particular moment and ultimate truth. It is all about applying the mind that has been bestowed to think of the consequences and perform a what-if analysis. What-if everyone in world starts becoming lustful like me. What-if someone becomes lustful for my own mother or sister. What-if the way I enjoy lust, someone else enjoys murder etc etc. And conclude that the truth is that one is the master of mind. That by mastering the mind, one can seek enjoyment in anything he or she desires. So as a smart master of mind, I shall seek far more enjoyment in whatever brings me long term strength, vitality and energy and not vice verse. I shall seek enjoyment in that in which even if all the people of world start seeking enjoyment, still the world becomes only a more beautiful and happy place.
This intellectual growth is far more disciplining than any cult-rituals.
How do I get started?
– You can adopt good rituals from any cult or society and still be Vedic. Being Vedic is no way contradicting to your being a Christian or a Muslim or an Atheist. Simply adopt the best practices and junk the rest. You already do so. Nobody in world can follow each letter of Bible or Quran. That is technically impossible. So you do already customize the books as per your own requirements. Take it a step further. Instead of performing this customization because that was inevitable, do a customization that best fits your needs.
Question everything ruthlessly and ask yourself – why do I follow this? Simply because I was born here, or I was socially adapated to believe so or there is something more? Keep eliminating whatever comes as a wrong answer. Whatever does not fit reason. And then you would have gradually come closure to truth – to a unique customized religion for yourself – specially made for you.
You can keep fine-tuning this tailor-made religion forever in life. Not only would it be a most enjoyable passion but also help you discover the true you. In process, you would have been following Vedic religion all the way.
So, you can start from whatever feels comfortable to you, and keep introspecting to have not only discipline but also elegance in whatever you do.
– Yet another way could be to collect common good points of all religions and reject the cult specific traits. For example, all religions talk of truth, peace, honesty, compassion etc. Grab these points together and this becomes a good starting point to have a customized religion for yourself that is lean and effective.
– For those looking for a ready-made alternative for discipline instead of too much of customizations to begin with, Arya Samaj principles would be a great beginning. Grab a copy of Satyarth Prakash or Light of Truth or contact us!
You can thus have a very rational template of disciplined routine that not only brings discipline but also adds to your health and intelligence. So simply download Satyarth Prakash or Light of Truth. Review it carefully, especially Chapters 7 onwards. Also review all articles on Agniveer. This would provide sufficient beginning material for you to start being a master yourself. If in doubt, contact us.
(Note: this is still only a recommendation and not a compulsion. The beauty of Vedic religion is that there is no compulsion and only enlightenment! All that these articles and Satyarth Prakash do is to compile logical analysis of many a common questions that come in our mind but we are afraid to ask.)
What benefits would Vedic religion give me?
This is same as asking what benefit would water give me or air give me. Your intellectual survival depends only upon your knowledge-enhancement. And for humans, happiness derived from knowledge-enhancements surpasses other forms of enjoyments far many times. It is because of this that humans could have build a civilization and did not waste time only in food, sex and sleep like other animals.
So Vedic religion will help you unlock those levels of happiness that you could never imagine before.
Vedic religion is all about using your will to achieve your goals. A follower of Vedic religion does not leave anything to destiny. You desire and achieve. You learn how to use power of mind to achieve whatever you want. Nothing apart from Vedic religion can teach you this skill better.
Vedic religion makes you totally fearless. You know that nothing except your own intentions can harm you. And you know that your intentions are under your own control. So no one is as daring as a Vedic person. No ghost, no jinna, no omen, no curse, no sight, no threat, no dracula, no witch, no horoscope, no palm-lines can affect him. He is fearlessness incarnate.
Vedic religion ensures you are always positive and futuristic. A Vedic person is never in guilt-traps. He knows that his present is reflection of his intents till previous moment. And his future is shaped by his present intent. He thus uses his present to enforce a positive intent and ensure a bright future. He never wastes time brooding the past or giving up in guilt-traps.
Vedic religion makes you enjoy your relations. You consider everything as a gift from Supreme Force in return of your noble intents so far. You attempt to improve all relations, sincerely love them and think well of them because that is the only way to bring happiness. You do worthwhile deeds for happiness of your family, society and world. And this brings even more happiness. Your happiness thus multiplies. The world becomes a heaven for you full of love and success.
Vedic religion helps you become a complete person. Because you operate at will-power level, you can easily transfer your skills in one area into another. You become an expert all-rounder.
Vedic religion helps you develop a natural resistance against committing stupid and foolish acts. You no more have to resist yourself from lust, greed, frustration, anger, jealousy because of fear of some miraculous power or incentive of greater enjoyments in future. On contrary, Vedic religion teaches you how these stupid acts are actually spies bringing greater trouble. You instead naturally incline towards much more healthy and much more enjoyable sources of short-term and long-term gratification. You no longer have to keep saying sorry and keep doing confessions. You simply enjoy more by acting more smartly by understanding why you should avoid falling in shit.
And above all, Vedic religion gives you ultimate peace and brings you in harmony with nature. You enjoy every moment thousand times more than you ever enjoyed before. Its an enjoyment full of enthusiasm, action, health and energy. Your sleep is peaceful, your waking is enthusing, your actions are dynamic, your thoughts are pure, you health is exemplary and your zeal is infecting on everyone around you. You become definition of peace and enjoyment.
I can keep writing. But its already there for you to experience RIGHT NOW! So what are you waiting for! Start your journey to become a Powerman immediately! All you have to do is to assert your proactive loyalty to the following.
‘I promise to accept truth through a continuous process of rejecting falsehood every moment to best of my abilities in the most sincere manner.’
May you become live examples of the following verse from Rigveda by embracing this Vedic religion:
I have gained such tremendous powers that I am unstoppable by anyone on the planet. Just as powerful horses take away the chariots wherever they desire, I can achieve whatever I aspire for. I can easily destroy the mightiest of challenge that confronts me. I can change the course of history and set the greatest precedence for future. All this has happened because I have decided to follow the path of wisdom. (Rigveda 10.119)
If you are convinced that you would be a a loyal follower of Vedic religion, use the comment section to announce your assertion and inspire others. Remember the corollary that happiness multiplies by sharing!———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
This article is also available in Urdu at http://agniveer.com/common-questions-vedic-religion-ur/
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Dr. Velu Annamalai
Caste System is not just Racism, but it is much more Vicious, Venomous, Evil and Cruel; Caste System is Racism, Fascism and Nazism ,
http://www.whiteindianhousewife.com/2010/07/the-indian-inferiority-complex/?cid=17930
What is your opinion, have you been affected and what could we do to get rid of this cancer.
@akhter
Hit and run akheter, caste system is racism and hindus have long started fighting against it. The religions of budhism,jainism,lingayatism are born out to eradicate caste system in india, and it will take one more generation to go. But instead of reflecting on the caste system of islam why are you looking fro scaste system in india.
Are not ahmediyas,qadayanis shudras of pakistan in present age? Are shias marrying sunnis? Are not ismailis driven out of iran? Though caste sytem is racism and hinduism has degenerated into birth based caste system, they never did a genocide. Has not islam destroyed the culture of iran, where are the religions zorastrianism and bhaism, Which country has given protection to parsis and jews when they are persecuted in there own homelands?
@akhter (Cast-Issue in Islam)
“Ahmadiya community fit to be killed, says pamphlets in Pakistan”
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-06-11/pakistan/29646541_1_pamphlets-faisalabad-community
There is not a single verse which says ,to go and kill ,unless in self defense, so what i do or what anyone does in Pakistan ,has nothing to do with Islam, where as Hinduism discriminates and is a racist faith, or a cult should i say.
@akhter:
so what i do or what anyone does in Pakistan ,has nothing to do with Islam
Nice escape route. Do you intend to answer questions asked of you before or should we consider you incapable of answering them?
those hate verses for unbelivers are in no way self defence..its an attack on kafirs..it should be against enemies.criminals etc..then i can say its for self defence but quran is biased for humanity..:(
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if its for injustice or self defence then from where unbelivers came….i have read quran..from starting second chapter its starts talking about unbelivers…So is quite obvious that it will create hate in heart of muslims for unbelivers..:(
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if its for injustice or self defence then mention of criminals/looter/demons should be mentioned as enemy not unbelievers…….:)
@akhter,
When the existing followers i.e pakistanis, shias-sunnis-ahmedias…..cannot follow the religion (not to kill an innocent and unarmed) why are you asking us to follow akther?
You say hinduism is racist while you yourself hate hindus and call us idol worshippers, kafirs. What shall we call you then? a bigot? The racism which has crept in has already been addressed and work is still in progress. If you want proofs see the link
http://www.indianetzone.com/45/ezhavas.htm
Can you now give me some proof that ahmediyas are given protection and a fatwa is issued stating that they should be protected and whoever kills an ahmadi can be labeled as person fit to be killed?
Mister Akhter! so many Muslims converted to Christianity and are still alive! so does that mean Muslims do not kill the apostate? NO! why they are alive because they are not living in an Islamic nation but in the west! and those who were from Islamic nation , they have moved to west to live actually! Iran, Pakistan and other Islamic nations have strict rules of killing the apostates! not only by law, even the barbaric people kill those who convert so please i would be grateful if you do not explain how open minded Muslims actually are. coming to racism, Muslims do not identify Ahamadiyas as Muslims in every Islamic nation. Ahamadiyas are free to call themselves as Muslims in India . every Islamic nation has strict laws for Ahamadiyas that stops them from identifying themselves as Muslims and are not allowed in the same mosques and worship places. apart from that there have been a few cases of Shia and Sunni conflicts also. is that not racism? Islam is true religion only? is this not racism? on one hand you go on explaining how much you respect other religions while on other you condemn religious practices of other religions completely and always shouting slogans of Islam will dominate the world? is not that racism again?
Let me correct you Mr Vipul ,there are more than six million Pakistani Christians living in Pakistan ,although regrettably mistreated but a living proof that these 6 millions ex Muslims ,Hindus are not killed for leaving Islam, and to remind you again there is no Islamic law which gives anyone the right to take scared human life.
Yes Muslims do not consider Ahamadiyas as Muslims as they do not believe in the last prophet, so they are not Muslims whether any one likes it or not, no one should be killed or prosecuted for their beliefs ,end of story.Islam is the true faith as i as Muslim believe that my after life will be glorious , you as my fellow human being, it is my dearest wish that you may also have glorious hereafter,surly you must also think your faith is the best truthful there is ,unless you dought it ,then you should leave it.
sorry what did you say? Christians are living peacefully in Pakistan? i know one such peacefully living Christian converted to Islam, Mohammad Yousuf! and if you check the facts and data and figures , my dear friend you will know Christian population in Pakistan is hardly 2% of the total population! i do not even know you and so i do not have any enmity with you but the truth is there are many converts who have been killed as there is death penalty for the apostate! no other religion asks the followers to kill the apostate! also Muslims encourage others to convert to Islam but on the other hand they do not want any Muslim to leave Islam. is Allah so weak that he needs billions of followers? how can you be so sure about Mohammad was the last prophet? what if one more arrives ? i am sure you will simply deny him !apart from that ours is not an Abrahamic religion and there is no concept of any prophet. ours is not meant for Hindus or Christians or Jews or Sikhs . . Vedas were for mankind! much more vast and definitive but you would not know because you have read only some lines quoted by self appointed Pandit Zakir Naik! interestingly he quotes from Geeta, but he can not see those lines where Krishna said “I am the supreme Godhead personality!”if he has so much faith in Geeta that some Muslims keep on quoting from it that there is only one God why do not they also accept Krishna is the supreme Godhead personality? please never quote from Geeta or Ramayana! i do not follow those texts . the basic texts are Vedas and check the quotes from it! and yes can you prove it to me killing of an apostate is forbidden in Islam? is it wise and considerate?
Now the trouble is that if you were to believe me that there is no verse which is against humanity or to kill a person who leaves Islam, you would have no stick to beat me with ,this whole website is depicting Islam in totally false way and one of thousands sprung up to defame , humiliate the Muslims ,who happens to the worlds second biggest faith group. I am agreeing with you that the Muslims largely treat Christians and other minaroties badly and unfairly, which toatally unislamic, now i am very hopeful that things will improve godwilling, then again i can say the same thing about the treetment of Muslims in the non Muslim countries is also very harsh . So we need to put things right by talking the truth.I have repeated many times and again there is no such verse which tell a Muslim to Kill,
Qur`an 5:32-33, 45, 2:178
In 5:32, after relating the story of the murder of Habil by his brother Qabil, God says:
On that account We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity. Then although there came to them Our Messengers with clear (guidance), yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (5:32)
In the context of an emphasis on preserving the life of each and every individual the above verse mentions only two crimes for which a person can be killed:
1) Murdering another human being;
2) Spreading mischief (fasad) in the land.
Nowhere else the Qur`an mentions any other crime for which the death penalty is considered. There are, of course, verses that mention killing during a war in the way of God. But that is different from killing as a penalty for a crime. Moreover, in the Qur`anic understanding the objective of even killing in a war is to stop or punish crimes similar to the two mentioned in the above verse — violence and mischief…
param adarnia shri akhtar ji ! kya “badle ka badla ” nahi ho sakta ? kya yah ant heen silsila khuda ji ne kyo chalu kiya ? kisi manushy ke “viprit” disha se hath pair katne ka kya matlab hai ? aurat ke badle aurat iska kya matlaba hai kya agara koi kisi bahan ya ya uski patni se koi rep kare to kya pidit paksh vale ko yah adhikar diya ja sajkta hai vahbhi badle me jakar uski patni ya bahan ya beti se jakar rep kare !ek samany muslim ko kisi bhi muslim ya gair muslim ko dand dene ka adhikar quran ne kyo diya ? kaha jata hai ki muhammad ji ke janm ke aspas ek bar koi badashah kaba ki or usko nasht karne ke liye nikla khuda ji ne chidiyo ki fauj ke madhyam se kankad -pathar mar kar us badshah ki fauj ko bhagva diya tha ! isi tarah ke dand khuda ji ab kyo nahi dete ? kisi manushy ki hatya ke badle us hatyare ko ek pal me hi “svans ” se vanchit karke jan se mar kyo nahi dete ? kya manush marte nahi hai ? fir “badle ” me us hatyare ko kyo nahi ek pal me mar dete ? usse kam se kam samaj me to “badle” ki bhavna to nahi badhegi ? quran ki in ayto se to yahi lagta hai ki yah” kabilo “[giroh] ko aur pusht karne ke liye yah ayte ayi thi v age bhi aise kabeele chalte rahe aisa khuda ji ki mansha rahi hogi ? khuda ji ne gulam ke badle gulam ka bhi jikar kiya hai ab gulam ki prajati “lupt-si” ho gai hai, fir is quran ki “antim” adesh ka kya hoga ? ab is ayat ki bat ko kahan par lagu kiya jayega kya yah ab naukro par lagu kiya ja sakta hai ? aap to padhe likhe se lagte hai, kya aap batlayenge ki quran me kaha gaya hai ki khuda ji svay kahate hai ki hamne adam ji ko “dono hatho ” se banaya [dekhiye quran38/75] kya khuda ji ke do hath hai ? jiske “simit” hath ho, to uski shakti bhi to “simit ” hi rahegi ? jo khuda ji 8 farishe jis sinhasan ko uthaye huye ho , us “simit ” farishto ke uthaye huye simit sinhasan me baithne vala allah jo “simit “satve aasman me virjta hai us allah ko kyo mana jaye / kya simit allah ki shakt simit nahi rahegi ? kya simit shaktivala allah sarvshaktiman ho sakta hai kya vah…
param adarniy shri akhatar ji , hamari bat yahan par puri nahi aa payi isliye ham age bhi kuch likhna chahate hai ! kya vah sari kaaynaat bana sakta hai? kya khuda ji ka yah jhutha dava nahi hai ? dono bat ek sath kaise sahi kahi ja sakti hai ? jiske “do hath” ho vaha sari kaynat kaise banayega ? aor jo sarvshakitman ho , uske “dono hath” kaise ho sakte hai vah 8 farishto ko uthaye huye sinhasan par kaise baith sakta hai , usse milne ke liye muhammad ji ko “miraj ” kaise ho sakti hai ? ham to dekhte hai ki hath ka nirman kisi ” mata ji ke garbhashay ” me hota hai , fir allah ki mata ji kaun thi? iska jikar quran me nahi mil saka . kya aap batlayenge ?kya yah quran ki paraspar virodhi ayate nahi hai ? kya muhammad ji ko chod kar khuda ji ko manne me kya taklif ho jayegi ? kya akela khuda “nakafi ” hai ? akhir kisi ko mana “hi” kyo jaye ? sabse pahale” jankar” kyo n bana jaye ? “jiyo aur jine do ” ke siddhant me kya burai hai ? “dusro ke sath vahi vyavhar karo , jo apne liye bhi pasand ho” is vichar par jivan kyo nahi jiya ja sakta ? khuda ji ki “gulami “kyo ki jaye ? aj ke jamne me jab koi apne paida karne vale mata -pita v shiksha dene vale shikshak ki “puri bat” nahi manta ! jisko manushyo ne dekha hai samjha hai ! fir us “vivadit ” khuda ji , muhammad ji ki “gulami ” kyo ki jaye ? kya aap apne dilo-dimag se yah kaha sakte hai ki aapne apne mata -pita ki koi bat manne” chook” nahi ki ? fir khuda ji ki v muhammad ji ke prati andh vishvas kyo ? hamto yah bhi dave ke sath kahate hai ki “keval ek pratishat “muslim bhi khuda ji v muhammad ji ki bat par amal nahi kar sakte ? kya “ashikane rasool” hone ka dava karne vale apna “pahala” nikah mata saman 40 varshiy vidhava se karte hai ? kya 50 sal ki umr me pahunch kar koi muslim kisi 6-7 sal ki poti saman kisi kanya se nkahkar sakta hai ya koi muslim apni 6-7 sal ki beti ka nikah kisi bhi 50 sal ke budhe muslim se karna pasand karega ? kya aap karenge ? muahammad ji arab me ghode hone ke bavjud “uoont” ki savari karna pasand karte…
uoont ki savari pasand karte the , kya aaj ke muslim bhi uoont ki savari karte hai ? kya janvar ki savari chod karke saikil, skutar, motar ,rail, jahaj adi ki yatra nahi karte hai ? yah” dohara pan ” kyo ? muhammad ji ne apne jivan me kuran ki kitab nahi banvai thi bad me unke marne ke kareeb 30 sal bad hajarat usman ji ne kuran ki kitab ki shakal de di , aaj kai karod muslim kuran ki kitab ko apni ankho se lagate hai , us kitab ko chumte bhi hai ?kya yah ek tarah ki “butparasti “nahi hai ? khuda ji ne param adarniy shri iblees ji ko adam ji ke samne “sijda ” karne ko kaha tha ! jo unhone nahi kiya ? yah “nafarmani” karke kya khuda ji ki tauheen nahi hui khya khuda ji yah bat pahale se nahi jan paye ? fiir adesh kyo diya ? kya manniy iblees ji bhi farishte the ? kyaunko “jinn ” me se hai, yah kaha nahi jata ? jab vah farishte hi nahi the tab khuda ji ka adesh unpar lagu bhi kaise hua ? fir khuda ji iblees se shikayat kyo karte hai ki tumko sijda karne se kisne roka ?kya khuda ji ka adesh me “shirk” ki mahak nah ati jab khuda ji samne ho fir farishto ko adam ji ke liye sijda karvana kya isko shirk nahi kaha jayega ? agar khuda ji shirk sikhlaye to theek ? yah paraspar virodhi islami vichar dhara ko padhe likhe muslim kyo mane ? aap kyo nahi “turant ” islam ko chodne ki pahal karte ? hamara udeshy apko ya kisi ko takleef dena nah hai fir bhi apni bat rakhna jarur hai ! agar apko hamari kisi bat se takleef hui ho to ham aap se “asankhybar ” shish jhukakar mafi chahenge ! asha hai ki ap hamko in “sabhi ” bato ka, hamare sandeho ka javab denge , uttar ki asha me ….! kotish: dhanyvad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R53-CE2QeyE&feature=related
Nice article
@Mohan,
Thank you very much for your responses, if I translate the words from Sanskrit to another language for example in Tamil, then reciting them wouldn’t be effective, am I correct? If this is the scenario then what is the difference between Arabic recitation in Islam and or Sanskrit recitation in Vedas? They both demand the same, do it in these languages otherwise not valued (correct me if I am wrong).
If I am not wrong, translating sharanam is not correct but I can write it in Tamil to read sharanam, it sounds like learn Sanskrit by writing the words in Tamil? I think I made my point clear here?! why our vedic god expect sanskrit (any particular language) instead other languages? though the meaning would be the same?
Agniveer gi could you enlighten me here please?
Direct question to all, with out the influence of sanskrit, can I be a vedic follower? if yes, then could any one of you give me the copy of vedas in Tamil? if no, then translation is allowed or not?
@tamilscafe,
well, what i meant by giving the example of sharanam is that one need to check the pronounciation correctly with the original source before using the same in the native language. otherwise, there is no harm if you read the vedas or any other mantras written down in the native language.
@Mohan
——–what i meant by giving the example of sharanam is that one need to check the pronounciation correctly with the original source before using the same in the native language——
Where the pronounciation play a part here? when you translate a language there is no place for pronounciation, isn’t it? For example, Namaskaram can be said as Vanakkam in Tamil, do you get my point?
——–otherwise, there is no harm if you read the vedas or any other mantras written down in the native language——
My question is simple, can we translate the mantras in to native language or not? I can see that you don’t want to answer the question directly but I don’t know why?
@tamilscafe,
there is no harm in translating the vedas. But such translation will not have the power while being used for various rituals as per agamas. I have already mentioned this point in my earlier reply to you.
The vedas need to be recited with a set of rules which will not be effective if you try to recite the translated slokas. As such, a translation can only be used for understanding the “tatparya” of the sloka and cannot be itself be a sloka.
Regarding my example of “sharanam” and “charanam”, this problem arises if whatever we recite in sanskrit is written down in tamil. in other words, the same words of sanskrit put down in tamil script. It does not include the actual change of word into native language.
Hope you get my point on both the issues wherein there is “translation” and “transliteration” issues.
@Tamilscafe,
Brother, i request you to have a look at this site which i found while googling for something. http://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/knowledge/article/correct-way-of-chanting-vedic-mantras.html
This site has some good information regarding chanting of vedas.
Please dont take it to understand that you cannot translate the vedas. Only understand that the translation can only be used as a “tatparya” or conveying the meaning of the sloka and nothing more.
@Tamilscafe,
To answer directly, the answer is ‘yes’. You can translate vedas.
@Mohan
————To answer directly, the answer is ‘yes’. You can translate Vedas———— But such translation will not have the power while being used for various rituals as per agamas————– Hope you get my point——-?????
Did you read my questions that I have raised earlier??
Have you choose by choice not to answer my other questions?? Ok I simplify them for your convenience,
1.If I translate the words from Sanskrit to another language for example in Tamil, then reciting them wouldn’t be effective (AS PER AGAMAS), am I correct? If this is the scenario then what is the difference between Arabic recitation in Islam and or Sanskrit recitation in Vedas? They both demand the same, do it in these languages otherwise not valued (correct me if I am wrong).
2.With out the influence of Sanskrit, can I be a Vedic follower? If Tamil translated mantra’s will not have power while being used for various rituals as per agamas, then I can’t be a Vedic follower because I don’t want any pressure on me to learn Sanskrit OR as exactly as how Agniveer feel about Arabic RECITATION (correct me if I am wrong)?
@Tamilscafe,
\1.If I translate the words from Sanskrit to another language for example in Tamil, then reciting them wouldn’t be effective (AS PER AGAMAS), am I correct? If this is the scenario then what is the difference between Arabic recitation in Islam and or Sanskrit recitation in Vedas? They both demand the same, do it in these languages otherwise not valued (correct me if I am wrong).\
Brother, the answer is very clear. I dont know why you are not understanding it. Ok, Let me put it in this way. Vedas and Mantras contain the power of sound and vibration. In fact, each and every letter contains the power of vibration in it. This is quite an extensive topic which i request you to make a search as i cannot explain everything on the topic here. Or may be we can request agniveer to put up an article on the same. Now, to make the things clear, these letters are arranged in such a way the power of vibration is effected through it. I dont know why koran should be recited in arabic only, but am sure that vedas should be recited in sanskrot only due to inherent power of sound and vibration associated with each and every word properly organized. There are many bijakshars that you cannot simply translate which may be hidden in the verses. For instance, the bijakshar called the “om”. This is my explanation and the same is agreed upon by many scholars.
Basing on the above fact of the power of vibration in vedic reciting, i can say that whatever you translate will not be as powerful as the original source.
\2.With out the influence of Sanskrit, can I be a Vedic follower? If Tamil translated mantra’s will not have power while being used for various rituals as per agamas, then I can’t be a Vedic follower because I don’t want any pressure on me to learn Sanskrit OR as exactly as how Agniveer feel about Arabic RECITATION (correct me if I am wrong)?\
To be a vedic follower, you need not know vedas or sanskrit. It is more than enough if you understand their essence through works of great people like…
the above comment seems to have a size limit. let me complete the second point here.
To be a vedic follower, you need not know vedas or sanskrit. It is more than enough if you understand their essence through works of great people like adi shankaracharya, vedavyas, valmiki etc. Their works have been translated into various languages. For instance, bhagavat gita is a beautiful source to understand the essence of vedas. Viveka chudamani by shankaracharya is another one. There are works by many tamil scholars as well.
Dear All
My advise to all of you is to discuss these things in Discussion forum as stated by Shri Agniveerji.This topic is bout Vedic religion and you are talking about Muhammad.Start new topics in the discussion forum.It is waiting for you.Do know,what the length of the page has become??
vinay bro is right
@akhter………..see what this man is speaking over islam………………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI
zakir nair is only a man who is responsible of spreading hatred in this world.
@shudra(वेद का धोकेबाज़ ईश्वर)
Except Vedas, you are giving the reference of those books which (for a scholar) must be read in the light of Vedas itself.
1. I would just like to reply for Vedas only, and other books you just analyze them in the light of Vedas and if a statement is contradictory to Vedas’ ideas and values it must be rejected forcefully.
2. As your post name is emphasizing Shudra, I suppose you are misguided in Varna System. So, Again, I would like to filter my reply for Shudra Varna only.
Now, some of the Vedic verses are given on this website only. Please follow following links:
http://agniveer.com/5497/vedas-and-shudra-hi/
For English translation follow below link:
http://agniveer.com/821/vedas-and-shudra/
There was no caste system in ancient time. Did you find anywhere the Sir Name of ancient scholars (Ram, Sita, Krishna, Valmiki etc)? Is this simple logic not good enough to prove that these ideas started in middle age?
Selfish People converted Varna system to Caste system and cooked new Ideas…
I suppose reading the verses in given link you have understood that Varna System is not the Caste System at all.
Varna system is “what you choose for yourself”. In simplest words, it means:
reading Vedic books and spread knowledge(Brahmin), interest to protect people from bad elements (Kshatriya), to involve in economy of community/country and improve businesses and make community prosperous(Vashy), and just do rest of the works … whatever … (Shudra).
It means most of all, who just do job to earn leaving, are just Shudra; our part in the betterment of society (providing true knowledge, providing securities to their values and making the society prosperous) is very less.
We are just doing better for us and our families, but this is also a good and worthy karma so there is no bed to be Shudra. But as per Vedas, one should not be satisfy at Shudra state and try to enlighten himself/herself to get better states like Vashy, Khsartiya and the best one Brahmin (As providing true…
— rest part of previous post
@shudra(वेद का धोकेबाज़ ईश्वर)
……..As providing true knowledge is the best of all. After all knowledge is the root of our lifecycle).
There are many other verses also. But for that you need to explore Vedas (if you really want to know truth).
Whatever the explanation of Vedas’ verses you wrote in your post is completely wrong and an outcome of misinterpreted grammar:
There are only two ways to perceive Vedas correctly.
1. First and the best: learn Sanskrit and then explore Vedas yourself.
2. Read Vedas, translated by renowned Sanskrit scholar like Dayanand Sarawati,
In any language, by misinterpreting a single word only, there may be a horrible change in sentence. And Sanskrit is considered as one of the complicated languages of the world.
@all muslims…………look the man to whom u guys think is a messenger of allah what he is spreading all around the world………………………….http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Bxk5AAA5FbI
Today this brand religious ‘scholarship’ has been taken to abysmal depths by missionaries in India who now claim that the original Dravidians were Christians and the invading Aryans created the Vedas by borrowing ideas from the Bible! The authors of Breaking India cite several such examples by these missionary ‘scholars’. Here is a gem from one Deivanayagam (and his daughter Devakala) who claim that Sanskrit was brought to India (by Aryans naturally) after Jesus and prior to that India was Dravidian Christian, which is the source of the Veda. According to this theory Brahmins (Aryans) stole ideas from Dravidian Christianity and created Hindu scriptures including the Vedas. Sanskrit came into existence only 150 years after Christianity.
Some groups based in America and Europe are actively engaged in weakening Indian society by dividing its people into mutually hostile camps on the basis of tribe, cast and religion. It is part of an ideology and academic exercise promoted by evangelical Christian and so-called ‘human rights’ organizations in an effort to spread their influence and gain converts. Many human rights organizations are little more than secular fronts of various churches that have made inroads into the media and are now trying to gain control of sections of the government
धर्मांतरण के जरिये भारत की जनसांख्यिकी को अपने अनुकूल बनाने के बाद चर्च का अगला लक्ष्य सत्ता पे कब्जा करना होगा. और इसका जीता जागता उदाहरण देश के सुदूर उत्तरी-पूर्व हिस्सों में, नागालैंड, केरल, उड़ीसा, छत्तीसगढ़ और महानगर मुम्बई के कई इलाको में देखा जा सकता है. यहाँ चर्च की दया पर ही कई कोंग्रेसी (चर्च भक्त) उम्मीदवार जीतते हैं. यह सिलसिला आगे बढ़ाते हुए दिल्ली तक पहुंचेगा और राहुल गांधी व रॉबर्ट वाड्रा की कई निकम्मी पीढ़ियों के लिए देश पे राज करने का मार्ग सुगम हो जाएगा.
तब हिन्दू दमन का जो सिलसिला शुरू होगा उसकी सुध ना तो मानवाधिकारवादी लेंगे और ना ही सेकुलर भांड.
फिलहाल हिन्दू प्रजा तो सेकुलारी अफीम खाकर सोया है. और उसे जगाने का इंजेक्शन सिर्फ संघ जैसे संगठनो के पास ही है.
चर्च द्वारा धर्मांतरण के कार्यो को लगातार बढ़ावा देने के कारण कर्नाटक,उड़ीशा,आंध्र प्रदेश, मध्य प्रदेश, छतीसगढ़, राजस्थान, महाराष्ट्र आदि राज्यों में उसका टकराव धर्मांतरण विरोधी ताकतों के साथ लगातार बढ़ है। इन टकरावो के चलते ईसाई समुदाय के चर्च पदाधिकारियों के सामने उठाये जाने वाले महत्वपूर्ण मुद्दे दबते चले आ रहे है।
पूरी तरह व्यपारिक हो चुके चर्च के लिए यह बड़ी सुहावनी स्थिति है।
किसी कान्वेंट स्कूल में किसी प्रशासनिक धांधली को लेकर स्कूल प्रशासन और अभिभाविकों के बीच कोई टकराव हो जाये तो उसे आज के समय में मीडिया के सहयोग से ‘ईसाइयत पर हमला’ बनाने में चर्च नेतृत्व को एक पल भी नही लगता।
मुठ्ठीभर पादरियों की यह टीम ईसाई समुदाय के साथ साथ सरकार को भी अपनी स्वार्थपूर्ति हेतू नचा रही है। अपने विशेष अधिकारों की आड़ में अकूत संपत्ति और संसाधनों पर कब्जा जमाये यह लोग धर्मांतरण के नाम पर देश में अस्थिरता पैदा करने में भी पीछे नही है।
अच्छी खबर यह है कि ईसाई समुदाय धीरे-धीरे चर्च की कूटनीति को समझने लगा है और अब ईसाइयों के अंदर से अपने अधिकारों की अवाज उठनी लगी है।
सभी जानते हैं कि भारत में मतांतरण के लिए चर्च को अमेरिका से करोड़ों रुपये प्राप्त होते हैं। और हाल ही में विकीलिक्स में ऐसे भी खुलासे किये हैं कि प्रधानमंत्री अपने मंत्रियों तक की नियुक्ति अमेरिका के इशारे पर कर रहे हैं। कहीं ऐसा तो नहीं है ओडिशा में ईसाइयों पर काल्पनिक अत्याचारों पर चिंता व्यक्त कर के प्रधानमंत्री अमेरिका के चर्च संबंधी हितों की रक्षा कर रहे हैं। दुर्भाग्य से ओडिशा में स्वामी लक्ष्मणानंद की हत्या के समय से ही चर्च की भूमिका संदिग्ध हो रही थी।
क्या चर्च ओडिशा में कोई और भयानक खेल खेलना चाहता है? जनवादी व तथाकथित मानवाधिकार संगठनों को इसकी भी जांच करवानी चाहिए।
bhai jab pura bharat jaghe ga tab ye mumkin he baato se nahi sudhre ga bharat ke pahele sab hindu ek hojaye to hi to dikha sakte he HINDU DHARM kya shakti he
India has hitherto withstood the missionary assault because of the devotion of the ordinary citizen, especially the denizens of villages and tribal belts, to their ancestral faith as represented by the grama devatas, kula devatas and sthana devatas who form a protective shield around their devotees and save them from harm. Then, there are the great gods in the larger temples and peeths and pilgrimages which gird the whole country in a protective grid, along with the spiritual strength and leadership of the traditional acharyas, gurus, mathams and so on.
-Sandhya Jain
@shudra(ब्राम्हण आतंकवाद)
Then raise voice against them and let them sentence to death. Command man like me don’t want killers and terrorists in society, we know they have killed our beloved. Do you think Common men made them? No! Neither these killers are common man nor do they belong to human being!
Rather hiding them safely in our society and blaming each other as if these killers are our family member, we must rise our voice against them and ask our government for justice. I know getting justice in our country is not easy but this IS our country and we have powers in democracy to get justice, so strive for justice only not for blaming each other.
I suppose, topic of terrorists should not be in any holy religious debate. Because terrorist are not religious; these killers are physiologically transformed by those so called religious managers in the name of God and money. And these managers are so brilliant (or we are so stupid) that they forced us to keep in blaming each others after their attacks as if they are our brothers and sisters and we asked them to kill humans. How can we so cheap minded that we can not even think these killers kill one of us only? The Humans!!! Our brothers, sisters, friends, relatives and neighbors!!!
I request you please participate in debate with a view “we agree that we are not agree with each other and just replying to others’ queries about our religious values”.
@ brother Tushar Sharma you are absolutely r8
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Aap bilkul thik bol rahe h hume atankwadiyo ko saja dilwana chahiye chahe wo kisi bhi dharm k ho. atank wadi kisi ka dost nahi hota h. aur hum ko apne desh ko jodna chahiye aur nafrato ko dur karna chahiye. jisse hum sab ka future achha ho aur apne ma bap ki achhi seva kr sake.
mere comments is website unlogo(brahmin atankwad aur dusre atank wad) k liye h jo humare desh me phoot dalna chahte h aur khud shashan krna chahte h
Hum jante h ki ye log brahmin atankwad k liye kam kr rahe h aur hamare desh ko phir se phoot dalkr todna chahte h. isliye hr post pr ye log christians, muslims, sikhs aur dusre religion ko gali dete h. isse kuchh nahi hone wala h. ab public samajhdar ho gaye h uske pas itna time nahi h jo phir se bjp ya sangh ki bato me akr is desh me masumo ka khun bahaye unke gharo ko aag lagaye. ya mandir masjid k liye phir se lade.
in logo ko ye BRAHMIN nafrat phailane ki jitni salary dete h batao mai inhe pyar batne ki usse jada salary dilwdunga.
@shudra
Bhai Bharat eeak matra desh hai jaha par Hindio ki sankhya adhik hai. Aap qyo hame hamare desh me chain se rahane nahi dete hai? Aaj jitne bhi world terrorist orgnisation usme muslim kam kar hai.
आतंकवाद – दोषी कौन?
1- मालेगाँव का बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
2- अजमेर दरगाह का बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
3- मक्का मस्जिद का बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
4- समझौता एक्सप्रेस का बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
5- नांदेड में संघ कार्यकर्ता राजकोंडवार के घर में बम बनाते हुए विस्फोट, जिसमें दो बजरंग दल के कार्यकर्ता मारे गए थे और पुलिस ने वहा से नकली दाड़ी और शेरवानी , कुरता , पायजामा भी बरामद किया था
6- गोरखपुर का सिलसिलेवार बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
7- मुंबई ट्रेन बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
8- घाटकोपर में बेस्ट की बस में हुए बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
9- वाराणसी बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
10- कानपुर बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
विश्लेषण
1- मालेगाँव का बम विस्फोट
लेफ़्टिनेंट कर्नल श्रीकांत, साध्वी प्रज्ञा सिंह ठाकुर,
2- अजमेर दरगाह का बम विस्फोट
स्वामी असीमानंद , इंद्रेश कुमार (आरएसएस के वरिष्ठ नेता), देवेंद्र गुप्ता, साध्वी प्रज्ञा सिंह, सुनील जोशी, संदीप डांगे, रामचंद्र कलसांगरा उर्फ रामजी, शिवम धाक़ड, लोकेश शर्मा, समंदर , योगी आदित्यनाथ
3- मक्का मस्जिद का बम विस्फोट
स्वामी असीमानंद एन्ड कंपनी
4- समझौता एक्सप्रेस का बम विस्फोट
स्वामी असीमानंद एन्ड कंपनी
5- नांदेड बम विस्फोट
संघ कार्यकर्ता राजकोंडवार
6- गोरखपुर का सिलसिलेवार बम विस्फोट
पुलिस ने कलकत्ता के एक आफ़ताब आलम अन्सारी है, को गिरिफतार किया था बाद मे कोर्ट से बा ईज्जत रिहा हुये
7- मुंबई ट्रेन बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
आज तक सच सामने नही आया
7- घाटकोपर में बेस्ट की बस में हुए बम विस्फोट
आज तक सच सामने नही आया
8- घाटकोपर में बेस्ट की बस में हुए बम विस्फोट
आज तक सच सामने नही आया
9- वाराणसी बम विस्फोट किन लोगो का षड्यंत्र था
आज तक सच सामने नही आया
10- कानपुर बम विस्फोट
बजरंग दल कार्यकर्ता , भूपेन्द्र सिंह छावड़ा और राजीव मिश्रा
atankwad hr ek desh k liye ek abhishap h. lekin dusre desho ko dekhne se pahle humko apne desh se atankwad mitana chahiye. chahe wo kisi bhi dharm se juda ho. in atankwadiyo ko aisi saja di jaye jise dekh kr koi bhi atank wadi gatividhiya chalane ka soch bhi na sake. agniveer jaise organisation isko support krne ki bhi na soch sake
डॉ राजीव दीक्षित के अनुसार देश का जो पैसा विदेशो में गया है वह वापस ले आए। उन्होने पूरी योजना बनाई थी। लेकिन उसका कोई लाभ नही हुआ। उल्टा उन्हे मरवा दिया गया। उन्होने एक चलचित्र में बताया था कि कैसे यह किया जाए और जितना पैसा गया है, यदि वह वापस भारत में आया तो उससे सबकी गरीबी सदा के लिए मिट जाएगी – इतना पैसा है वह।
आपको एक बात कहना चाहुँगा कि भारत का असली आतंकवाद कोई ब्राह्मण या मुसलमान या ईसाई नही है। वह है नक्षली और माओवादी। दुर्भाग्यवश हमारी मीडिया को किसी भ्रष्ट नेता ने खरीद लिया है। अन्यथा हमे इसके बारे में सम्पूर्ण जानकारी होती। हमे पता नही चल पाता कि नक्षली / माओवादी कितने मारते है। ब्राह्मण / मुसलमान / ईसाई उस तुलना में कुछ भी नही है।
कुछ लोगो ने इसपर अनुसन्धान किया था। उन्होने पाया कि इसका 80% कारण है उनकी दरिद्रता। अब ऐसे धन विदेशो में जाता रहेगा तो हम तो दरिद्र ही रहेंगे। मेरे विचार से आतंकवाद से निपटने के लिए पहले उसकी आवश्यकता है। नक्षली और माओवादी के आतंकवाद देश के आतंकवाद के 70% है। अब 80% कारण उनकी गरीबी है तो यदि हम गरीबी का निवारण करे तो
80% * 70% = 56% आतंकवाद मिट सकता है।
पहले यह सोचना है कि जो पैसा विदेशो में है वह यहा वापस कैसे लाए। उसके आगे नयी रणनीती बनानी पड़ेगी। आप क्या कहते है?
कृपया बिना समझे कुछ मत कहिएगा। और किसी को अपशब्द न कहे बल्कि समस्या का समाधान सोचे। डॉ राजीव दीक्षित वाला चलचित्र देखना है तो यह रहा ( जो देशभक्त हो उसे यह चलचित्र दे ताकि कुछ लाभ हो सके।)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NBTQ3MQANU
@Shudra
We cannot win the agniveer & Co intellectually. WE need to play Taqqiya as prophet sanctioned us. Pakistan (Muslim Country) attacked many times on India but every time they get defeated. Brother you are doing great work as agniveer trying it’s hard to eradicate cast-system but we need to keep it alive as it will be greatest arm for Muslim to win India and Insa Allah we will complete the prediction of Gazwa-e-Hindi.
@Agniveer
You do not pay much attention to this Kufr “Shudra” I know you are doing great work for eradication of cast-system. This Kufr is abusing Hindu but they (Muslim) themselves do not allow us to enter in Kaba as they believe we are worst creatures and Quran sanctioned them kill the Shudra aka non-believer wherever they found us.
@ ABDULLAH
I hate pakistan it is worst country in the world. I hate pakistani people bcz they hate Indians.
I love my INDIA. I will sacrifice for my country. I hate those Indians who are spreading hate msges in India. once again These coward people like agniveer and brahmin want to divide our country. we must love each other and please dont spread hate masges for any religion.
@shudra
Brother Agniveer is against the Muslim terrorist as you know Muslim keep on their attack on Jammu-& Kashmir. 26/11 Terrorist attack was done by Muslims to terror Hindu. 9/11 Attack on world trade center was done by Muslim terrorist to terror the Kufrs/non-believer. Hafiz Sayed A Muslim terrorist want to destroy India with help of Pakistan. I.S.I a Muslim secret agency working to destroy India. Zakir naik A Muslim fanatic writing nonsense articles on Indian legend Rama, Krishna, Dayanad etc. to trash Indian people. Zakir Naik want all people of India should follow pedophilia, rapist, child abuser Mohammed of Arab who killed the all tribes of arabs of non-believers.
@hell-seeker, y u always prophet muhammad? can u tell our respected visitors that how many peoples have been killed from both sides in islamic revolution in 23 years of prophet muhammad s.a.w. you always come and regurgitate ur poison over here? can u tell me the numbers of peoples killed in MAkkah victory. u are only hate monger u have not facts, also tell me how many peoples have been killed in gujrat 2002 riots? if 26/11 is true then can u tell me how 6 peoples can carry such a huge amount explosives and hand grenades in taj hotel which is 5 star hotel and has high security system including cctv camera? have u ever seen footage of those 6 peoples carrying such a big amount of explosives ? our security has defused explosives which was about 1/4th room and they have thrown hand grenades for about 72 hours? can u believe it? hemant karkare’s wife rejected 2lakh rupees from narendra modi y?can u read to the last bullet written by salaskar’s wife. salaskars wife is liar for u, sm mushrif who has written “who killed karkare” is liar? karkare’s wife is liar because she has asked many questions in rti? a lady from orissa has eyewitnessed those peoples coming out from boat, question is y america kidnapped her and investigated after carrying her to america even she was illiterate? what was the interest of america? i have many questions if u can answer on 26/11.
@Gadha-Khan
So, why is then the Indian government pushing for the extradition of Hafiz Saaed? Is the Indian government run the UPA coalition also pursuing the RSS/BJP/VHP agenda? Maybe, the intelligence agencies should recruit you for the incisive details that you have brought to light. Just a few corrections: There were 10 people, 9 killed, 1 captured. They carried big backpacks which could hold up a lot of ammo. Of course, there were local collaborators. They did throw hand grenades for 72 hours but intermittently. Karkare’s wife refused the money because the saffron brigade had alleged him of foul play in arresting some of their cadres in the Malegaon/Samjhauta blast cases. And yes a lady did see these terrorists but she was from the local Koli community.
bhai to jagao sab hindu o ko mebhi sath me hu apni jagah se
fatu o ki thok sakte he agar sab hindu ek hojaye
Mr. shudra, do u think that any muslim can write this(as written by abdullah-divide & rule) //@Shudra
We cannot win the agniveer & Co intellectually. WE need to play Taqqiya as prophet sanctioned us. Pakistan (Muslim Country) attacked many times on India but every time they get defeated. Brother you are doing great work as agniveer trying it’s hard t//
you do not require to give any explanation, deceiving is the old game of aryasamajis.
Why can’t a muslim write like this? Taqiyya and Kitman are part of your culture. You love to follow them. Taqiyya itself means deception. That’s what you played to convert poor gullible people past 9/11.
Those who have heard of 9/11 will NOT convert to islam. Yet many converted bcoz you tried to decieve them. Decieving NON Muslims is common worship methodology for a Momeen. As a consequence, when they realized your trap – they reverted back to whatever they were.
Bible OT says — THOU SHALL NOT KILL (Exodus 20:7)
Quran says — THOU MUST KILL INFIDEL AND CUT FINGERS AS WELL (8:12)
Bible NT says — LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF (Matthew 22:39)
Quran says — THY NON MUSLIM FAMILY MEMBERS ARE THY ENEMIES (9:23)
This is morality of Quran and Islam. Enjoy!
@hahaha, please read combat kit at islamhinduism.com and see what krishna is saying…
do u know what is niyog?
peoples like u have been deceived by America so u know amerca attacked iraq that there are WMDS in iraq and u have blindly believed. can u show where are WMDS in iraq? how many wmds were found? but still u believe in america? today it is confirmed that 9/11 was inside job but u still believe in america after all u are hatemonger and muslim hater.. shame on u
where is the teaching “thou shall not kill” what??? fly, frog or human???? 6million families have been affected in iraq, still u support america.. shame on u..
Do you know who a mawali is? It is you, Gadha Khan. You are a mawali. And by the way, America only attacked Iraq on a false pretense, but Islam is attacking the entire humanity. So, that makes Islam and its ardent followers a potential threat that needs to be countered at any costs.
For God sake!!! Please don’t categorize terrorism: Hindu terrorism, Muslim terrorism etc.
They want only these mindsets (Caste and religion typecasting) in humans and I can see they are wining….
Terrorists are just killers of human beings…. No community can stop terrorism except the unity of humans. There is only one place for terrorists and that is hell…. They are not supposed to be in real society nor in virtual (like blogs etc…)
Be civilized. Please keep religion away from terror.
Please don’t make fun of God’s teachings; it is one of the biggest sins in the world and will drag us out of God’s merci… Please… will you not like to think about the feelings of your well-wishers like me who just want to unite the world, keeping holy debates of our religious teachings?
No God’s teaching in the world can be wrong. If you will give me the verse from any religious book (God’s teaching) which seems to be wrong for you, I will prove that it is right and worthy to accept or I’ll out of the debate saying that I am not good and literate enough to understand His complex and great idea. And I have this mindset because I just love God and admire His incomparable (and infinite obviously) justice, kindness and powers. If some ideas is called as God’s teaching our mindset should changed to perceive it.
I believe in my religion and pray for other to have faith in theirs (If they really believe that God is Almighty, the one, incomparable, true judge, kind and having infinite powers and able to do anything which we even can not think.)
@shudra …..
First of all, I would like to request you for your true name and not for you…. everyone please use their true name. I suppose these posts are started to have holy religious debate. And the start of holy thing should not be from false. Agreed? 🙂
Now, coming to the point: Who says Pakistani hates Indian? Man! People from both sides are having friends and relative in both countries. I give you example (for both Indians and Paks). Can you agree that one of the countries destroy completely in next second? Answer I don’t need to know as we all know it is “NO” …strictly!!!
Why? As we are caring our friends and relatives, and true religious will also care for innocent human beings.
So no country can hate other country completely as we all have soft corner for our beloved. We can not blame the whole country for the acts of some of them (or …keeping you up!!! many of them). This mind set will only produce hate in our heart as well as in others. It will just mould our feeling in hate and will keep us away from God’s blessings. Now the people are being literate and can understand the hidden words in the sentences of selfish and crual politician (whoever they are) and terror agencies. Which want us to hate each other for their survival?
If someone from other country make us fool in the name of friendship and brotherhood. This is our fault that we trapped in his cruel magic. We are not supposed to believe blindly anyone. Loving someone doesn’t a mean to believe every thought of him/her (except Him!! God!! ). Even every religious teaching says don’t believe blindly and use your mind to analyze the truth. And for country to country communication there are some rules in political science. Every attack we had with other country’s army was a result of overlooking the political and social values only. But that’s a different story anyway.
A cruel philosophy (divide and rule) has been working inside the country. Suppose if all communities will advocate for better education and living standard then there will…
rest of my previous post….
……….Suppose if all communities will advocate for better education and living standard then there will not be any issue of unemployment. As the educated and confident persons (or community) will ask for job then these selfish politicians (and all) will have to think about investing big money in job opportunities; the money they transfer in Swiss banks or keep in some hidden and secure lockers in India itself. They just give the community reservation to us for which they don’t have to invest any thing. And just providing jobs to some of them let others be happy, illiterate and poor with a hope that they will also get some free gifts if they choose them (to selfish politician) again and again. And this way under our nose they keep looting our precious money which is an outcome of our hard work directly or indirectly. There are many other examples also to prove their cruel intension. These guys just want us to be illiterate, hating and fighting each other. And, unfortunately, they are getting success as we don’t think for each other. They Only way to live better religious and social life is to respect each other , otherwise, forever, we will meet on some blog post blaming each other.
@hell-seeker, u have right name because u are seeking hell. u have written//Zakir naik A Muslim fanatic writing nonsense articles on Indian legend Rama, Krishna, Dayanad etc. to trash Indian people//
can u believe that dayanada is legend????? hell seeker dayananda allowed niyog? can u allow niyog?
I pledge to try my best to live out this lifetime according to these epistemological principles!
@All Mawali Mohammedans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBhhP3Wf7Do
See how the original Mohammedan (Arab) treats you – he spits on you and slaps you. Do not be a slave to the Arab Mohammedan, O Mawali Mohammedan. Regain your self-respect and junk the Arab cult.
Bro KB
I expect now lot of Mawalis coming here claiming this video to be fake. But those having brains and self esteem would definitely get what you meant. Great video. Thanks for the share
@Bro Vajra:
Yes. The Mawali will claim the video is fake. Otherwise, he will claim that the Saudi is not a true Muslim and Allah will punish him in eternal hellfire. That is all the Mohammedan can talk of…all problems in life have a solution in the afterlife – either eternal sex romp with 72 virgins or eternal hellfire. 🙁 Poor slaves of Arabs. 🙁
Stop performing Hajj O Mawali Mohammedans. The Arabs are milking you, taking your money and in turn spit and slap you. Allah is within you. Is he not closer to you than your jugular vein? Why do you need to go to some Middle Eastern desert land that despises you in search of Allah? Look within. There is all that you need there!
very nice apperciate agniveer for spreading the truth
If I believe Vedas is a lie and man made, can I still be a Vedic follower?
@jabb
__________If I believe Vedas is a lie and man made, can I still be a Vedic follower_________
Veda are eternal knowledge. And no one can deny eternal knowledge. You are Vedic as far as you “accept truth through a continuous process of rejecting falsehood every moment to best of your abilities in the most sincere”. ’You are denying because you have read illogical and false translation. You should reject them. Whatever illogical and unscientific are not Veda. As per Veda Yajurved 19.77
– All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence.
http://agniveer.com/what-is-vedic-religion/
If Veda is about individual knowledge of the truth, then we will have contradictory truth. Everybody has a unique opinion of what is the truth. There are peoples like Adolf Hitler believe killing 6 million Jews is the final solution to human problem, would that make what he believe is the truth?
@jabb
___________If Veda is about individual knowledge of the truth_________
Where Veda do talk about individual personality?
______Everybody has a unique opinion of what is the truth____
On This Veda say
Rigveda 10.161.3
– Your analysis of right and wrong should be unbiased and not specific to particular set of people (Was Hitler following as Veda preaching ?)
– You should organize together to help everyone enhance their health, knowledge and prosperity
– Your minds should be devoid of hatred and should see progress and happiness of all as one’s own progress and happiness and you should only act for enhancement of happiness of all based on truth
– Work together to eradicate falsehood and discover truth
– Never ever deviate from path of truth and unity
Rigveda 10.161.4
– Your efforts should be full of enthusiasm and for bliss of everyone
– Your emotions should be for one and all and love everyone the way you love yourself
– Your desire, resolve, analysis, faith, abstinence, patience, keenness, focus, comfort etc all should be towards truth and bliss for all, and away from falsehood.
– Keep working in synergy to increase each others’ knowledge and bliss.
http://agniveer.com/religion-vedas/
“to best of your abilities in the most sincere”
“You believe in only what you find logically sound, reasonable, intuitive and what you can understand right now. You can refuse to claim allegiance to any book, saint, belief etc and yet be Vedic so far you adhere to honesty”
To me it’s meaning is individual knowledge or understanding. Unbiased is very subjective. CNN, BBC, Al-Jazeera etc. claim to be unbiased but not everyone agree.
@jabb : one cannot compare a news channel’s opinion to a individual understanding.The motto is that if today i have an understanding based on the knowledge i possess today , i should not get stuck there forever, but should be willing to change/enhance my understanding based on the knowledge (based on Reason,facts etc) that i gain tomorrow.
@jabb, your argument is absolutely correct.. i was listening debate between tariq abdullah and so called pandit mahendra pal arya who claims that “Allah ordered angels to bring dust to make adam and AJAJEEL brings the dust so y he denied to prostrate in front of ALLAH????”
in that debate tariq sahab said that veda also mention that “ved nindak ko kaat daal, cheer daal, jala de” then one aryasamaji defended that veda does not mean those four books but it is tru knowledge and right way..so every person who is against true knowledge and right way he should be punished in this way. then MP arya explained the concept of GOD according to veda ie sam, yajurved etc. i want to ask if what is right way is veda then every one believes his way as right and true way then it means every one should kaat daal, cheer daal aur jala de to a the nindak of his way?????
if veda means knowledge then every one have knowledge and any person going against my knowledhe should i “kaat daal …him”???
y aryasamaji replies from sam, yajurveda etc when we ask anything regarding veda if veda is right way and knowledge????
@Anti-Agni, it is wonderful to see that you are making analysis of that shameful defeat in that debate which taqiyayist Abdullah Tariq got from Pandit Mahendra.What you are making allegation is about AtharvaVeda 12.5.62
This is Taqiah (cheating legitimized in name of religion) at its best.
1. The current context of the mantra starts at least from 12.5.47 and continues till 73. So quoting selectively only shows malafide intentions.
2. In reality, the mantra is dedicated to Brahmagavi (ब्रह्मगवी). This refers to fundamental unchangeable laws of nature.
3. The entire chapter details how those who refuse to act as per unchangeable laws of nature due to false ego get destroyed. There is no mention whatsoever of any person or group of person trying to kill anyone.
4. The mantras assert that those who try to silence the voice of intellect or truth get destroyed themselves. These mantras have been the foundation of all revolutionary movements that have ever happened to oppose the voice of tyranny. The chapter is an inspiration for all truth seekers. It elaborates how ultimately laws of nature destroy the greatest of power achieved through tyranny. It elaborates how wealth obtained through tyranny is actually a curse. It elaborates why the mightiest of rulers should be scared of harming a truth-seeking scholar.
5. Mantra 12.5.58 clearly calls this Brahmagavi ‘Aghnye’. So it is in feminine gender and means ‘non-violent’. So it is clear that the mantras talk of wider laws of nature and not inciting into killing innocents because of difference in viewpoints. On contrary, the mantras clearly assert that those who think of killing innocents get destroyed as per Laws of nature.
6. So yes, the mantra does say that Brahmagavi – or Fundamental Truths of Nature destroy the perpetrators of terror and hatred in most merciless manner.
Again, this belief forms the foundation of peaceful living and is rightly encouraged in all civilized societies of the world that believe in tolerance and co-existence.
——————————————————————————————————————-Does The mantra say to kill any Buddhist or Muslim or Christians?
But Quran does promote hatred & violence towards non muslims, Quran 9:29 fight all those who do not believe in Allah & subjugate them to rule of Islam. Muhammad the so called prophet of religion of peace himself said to have dictated that he is commanded to fight by allah till there is no religion but Islam!!!!
The alleged ved mantra is neither descriptive nor prescriptive violence but it is the stage how a tyrant or devils lose their potential by not following ethics & values of society or Dharma. While Allah of Quran is ordering Muslims to kill non Muslims, so if you are true muslim do that or you are classified in category of Kafir.
@angira/truth hater…”ved nindak ko kaat daal cheer daal jala de” ka kiya matlab h?
Bhai tm log kitne confise ho… ved kiya h????? Aise to har cheez ko defend kiya ja sakta h.
@Anti-Human/ Mawali (non Arab Muslim or slave & puppets of Arab Sheikhs)/ Slave(Abdul) of Pagan Moon god allah(Abdullah)/ Mohammedan(follower of pedophile)
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We Hindus are not defending something, we are just following Dharma (truthfulness of nature) & Dharmo Rakshati Rakshit: (Dharma defends defenders of Dharma themselves). This is reason why followers of child rapist, rapists as per divine order of Moon god in Quran 4:24, savages attempted at their best level & strength to convert all us & to destroy the great Hinduism in their 800 years savage rules, but could not even reach near to their desire rather found themselves demolished at every ongoing decades.So Sad!!!!!!!
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If you want to pay attention to this intellectually
The idea of said Atharvaveda mantra 12/5/54 is that the divine Vedvanni which emanates from God is like a ‘Vajra’ (weapon) for an atheist i.e., the learned person have power to take said weapon to change the mind of atheist but the fundamental law of Vedas is that everyone has to maintain non- violence. As regards the destruction it applies to antisocial tendencies.
The mantra 12/5/62 relates to law ‘Ved Nindak’ who insults Vedas, in this case the divine “ Ved vanni” takes its own option to destroy the said element. So it has not mentioned in mantras that any person should take law in his own hand to harm or to kill any one.
Again mantra does not say to kill specific group of people , but is focusing on obvious event like “if you touch the fire with open hand, your skin will be burnt automatically & hence you will get sufferings”.
But please comment on Quran 9:29, which you did not & on follwing:
This is what the Prophet did to [old] kafirs
Hadith Sahih Bukhari
Volume 2, Book 19, Number 173:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Masud :
The Prophet recited Suratan-Najm (103) at Mecca and prostrated while reciting it and those who were with him did the same except an old man who took a handful of small stones or earth and lifted it to his forehead and said, “This is sufficient for me.” Later on, I saw him killed as a non-believer.
anti agni ji , ved nindak ko bhi jivit rahane ka adhikar hai jain v bauddh mat vale, islam panthi isai adi bhi jivit rahe hai! aur aap bhi jivit fir aise prshn kyo kar rahe hai! ved nindak bhi is desh me rahate hai !
GOOD job Agniveer!
A discussion which can only be possible following the vedic rituals and of course internet!! ha..ha..ha…
few faiths allow such disscussion?
Infact you will find Islam and Christianity emotional about their reasons…where as they must be emotional about people and not towards their reasons…..No need to be emotional about reasons…..if they can not stand the tests one must discard them…..
I the comments few people have prompted the problem of castesim …castesim is a social problem and is not present in the religion…..i have sufficient reasons to proove it if any body is interested…..and for social problems all parties in the society are equally responsible…….Julm karna galat hai toh julm sehena bhi galat hai…. infact thoes who left for buddihisim for equality have not left their claim for reservation so we can easily conclude the above result.
A christian brother says GOD refers to the followes OH! My Son ! Actually as far as I know Jesus is known as SON OF GOD and not all of Christians….. Infact in the Sanatan Panth….every body has been portrayed as SON OF GOD….because evil is a thought and NOT GOD……woh unke Kaan ke mail se paida hua…and stories like that !!!
Good job Agniveer for the effort….
GOD Bless You !!
GOD Bless HUMANITY !! At least they stop killing each other in the name of GOD….and start looking for HIM who stands for Annand, LOVE, Peace, Effort , Mercy and is very well within them….
@ Mr Shudra
As a principle of sociology —- societies can be compared either they are in the same time period or the same society is compared on different time periods..for example Indian society of 2012 can be compared with U.S. society of 2012 or British or French or Chinese( to get the state of social affairs in India vis -a- vis U.S.or England or France..whatever)…or Indian society of 2012 can be compared with Indian society of 1000 AD ( to check the progress over time)…If we don’t follow this principle we get absurd results. For eg if Indian Society of 2012 is compared with U.S. society of 1912 we find they did not had mobile phones, no internet, almost no cars…not even universal adult surfurage…i mean you can easily conclude India is much developed than U.S. which is an absurd conclusion….Simillarly if Societal Standards of India during 1100 A.D. are compared with societal standards of England of 1800 or 1900 we get absurd results…..
As per sociology if some people in the social hierarchy were considered out cast of ancient Indians…It is really interesting to note the rights which have been granted to people who were outcast of society in Islam and the then Hindu society time around ( 800 AD..to 1200 AD)….In the Hindu Society they had right to life and freedom where as Islam even denies the right to life for outcasts which they call (kafirs)….I am not sure about Christianity so no coments on it …but going on the logic as they are of the same nature…… thoughts could be found as slavery was practised in the Christian world during the time period 1500 AD to 1700 A.D.
To conclude if you want to compare Ancient Indian Society it must be compared to societies of the same time period that is say India of 1000 A.D. vs. England of 1000 A.D. or Egypt of A.D. and I Know very well that India India scrores well over any other society….
Religion is a matter of emotion !! …………..
And all the reasons put together can not out weigh a single emotion…veda realises this fact……
so be whatever you want to be ….. (its your emotion)
But for GOD sake…..for Sake of ALLAH…for any Sake..Don’t hesitate to accept Right as Right…..or wrong as wrong………and Don’t be emotional about your reasons…..
I Give you a Paradox
Emotions are Good Reason for any thing.
Emotions are no reason at all.
opposite statements but true all at the same time….
and hence every bodies realises truth in his own way……and hence we human beings are different…plural……and it is the Vedas ( Sanatan Panth) which accepts this plurality. Reasons are reasons and emotions are emotions….and hence one dogmatic framework can not fit all…….as we see in Abrahamic religions….
Thats why the seers of the Vedas gave you the liberty to have a relgion as per you ……rather than religion as per Mohd….or as Christ…or any body else……..your religion must be as per you……and they laid only the principles( principles which we call Dharma) and not the religion per se…….
A concept allowed only by following the teachings of the Sanatan Panth
this is why im a hinduagnostic
@sanatani check http://www.truthabouthinduism.com. you will get all answers. or Google truthofhinduism.com
@anti-agni
This website is anti-Indian site because it abuse 85% people of this country. Why to target only Indian Hindu people not Arabian, Pakistani, Afghanistan Muslim people. Are they above Indian Hindu people?
that guy and islamhinduism and working together most of their articles are nonsense and not even worth replying to they are just repeating things which have already been refuted
@sanatani. what a beautiful answer you have given …you are real agniveer samaji….worshipper of solar system . you don’t know the case and start barking .
you are liar saffiyya r.a. was not married same day. you have shown your filth.
@anti-agni
_______you are liar saffiyya r.a. was not married same day____________
Okey, Not same day. Then when? May be next day or after two, three days. You meant to say two, three days after killer of woman’s husband, father, brothers claims he did marry with the woman of anti-agni Safiyah/ Mariya/Juwahriya (Imagniary name) not rape/sex. Should a society accept the claim?
Mariyah, the Sex Slave of the Holy Prophet
http://alisina.org/blog/2010/12/23/mariyah-the-sex-slave-of-the-holy-prophet/
@sanatani. It is proved that you are liar. you deliberately lie to give perverted meanings. because you atr filty hate monger……..nothing to spread from veda so you malign islam.
because of your hate mongering 98% Hindus have rejected you. you want to change everything as you have changed meaning of veda.
@anti-agni
I think you have nothing to discuss here. Instead of answering you are parroting everyone hate monger, hate monger. I have asked a question to you but you did not reply, Question was
“Two, three days after killer of woman’s husband, father, brothers claims he did marry with the woman of anti-agni Safiyah/ Mariya/Juwahriya (Imagniary name) not rape/sex. Should a society accept the claim? Will your wife agree to marry with killer of her husband, father and brothers?. Please go and ask to your wife.
Juwairiyah
http://alisina.org/blog/category/women/
@sanatani. it is vedic site and hete only veda and vedic dharma can be discussed.
Instead of accepting your lies you always change your question, i don’t know what do you know? You say sex to marriage ? Every Hindu believe that krishna is makhan chor.. from hindu religiousbooks but you reject from same book??
Peoples say that government not allow peoples from entering vrindawan garden because still sex moan is coming from there. you can see how strongly they believe in sex krira with gopis . you changed everything without any authority . just go and check south Indian temples …..total nudity.
@anti-agni
________You say sex to marriage____
What you will call if someone attacks at your house and kill the all male members. Will your wife marry with the killer of her husband, father , brothers? But killer claims he did marry with your wife not rape/sex. How should we take it as a marriage or rape/sex?
______krishna is makhan chor but you reject from same _____
I am not blind believer in any book. If anything I found objectionable in any book I reject it because as per Veda also
Yajurved 19.77
– All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence
________still sex moan is coming from there______
This just a superstitions of people. If someone really comes there why not make live recording of it. We can put camera there. There is no place for such things in Vedic society.
Here is the truth with full authority with evidence. Please go through this article.
http://agniveerfans.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/lord-krishna/
@satani. you believe according to yourself …what about south indian temples? How could yousay what is adulteration ib krishna story? you have changed veda’s translation and meanings .
What is your source of information regarding hazrat saffiyya? You believe what you want in your books and want to make us same that we believe alisina….or selected part from our sirat books.
@anti-agni
_______what about south indian temples______
What you have to do south Indian temples? Why should I discuss about them? I do not know what are in south Indian temples. Although temples, mosques etc. not mentioned in Veda. Veda are universal teachings. There is no reference of any temple, place, person etc. in Veda.
______ How could yousay what is adulteration ib krishna story______
Krishna love affairs, makhanchori does not serve any purpose for us. All these story are false. I think you have not read the article which deal with same subject.
http://agniveerfans.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/lord-krishna/
________you have changed veda’s translation and meanings_____
Veda are eternal, everlasting and universal truths. Ved Mantra can be interpreted only in that sense. Like there is Mantra “Agnimedey Purohitam Yajasya Devam” meaning we invoke (edey) the God (Agni) who (Purohitam) holds, cares, nurses the entire universe. But if you translate the mantra we worship the “Agniveer (Owner of Agniveer site)” who is/was care taker of agniveer.com. This is not Veda. Because this is not eternal and everlasting truths. This interpretation is based on history.
It is the case Mr. sanatanai that you don’t know about your religion about your temples. how could you say there was any Krishna? the book which you use to know Krishna is telling you that he was makhanchor and due to makhan and gur he was very active in sex. But you believe something from your books and reject something. Without any basis .
you can search Google to know about your temples. more than 95% Hindus believe in moorti puja and all those stories . agniveer says that veda can’t be translated??? so no one can understand veda because nobody know that untranslable language.
who told you krishna had sex with gopi? krishna was not like your prophet who feel in love with her at 6 and had sex with 9 year old and no hindu actually worship the murti most hindus see god everywhere they worship god through the idol not the idol itself we the arya samaj dont say to use idol is a sin but we say it is not needed unlike islam and what do you mean people are not allowed at brindavan gardens? millions of people every year go there and as for saifyah muhammed had sex with her between his journey between khaybar and medina after beating her tribe and making them to surrender in a war ad taking her as a slave and then his wife
@anti-agni
__________you don’t know about your religion about your temples_____
Eternal religion does not say to build up temple/mosque/church etc.. I never go in temples / mosques/ church etc. to worship God. These are just picnic spot for me.
_____ how could you say there was any Krishna_____
Sanatan Dharma does not force you to believe in Krishna/Rama/Nanank etc. People can say even that there was no Dayanand, Mohammed, Kabirdas, Nanak Aurangzeb etc.
________book which you use to know Krishna is telling you that he was makhanchor_____
I know the Krishna through Geeta. Geeta nowhere says it.
_____reject something. Without any basis ._____
During the medieval period books were corrupted. Like as per Scholars there was only 10,000 Shalok originally written by sage Veda Vyas in Mahabharata but now we find more then 1,00,000 shaloka in Mahabharata. There is corruption at large scale and contradictorily things. We need to scrutinize them. There was no mechanism to stop adulteration in these scriptures/history books. Like at One place Mahabharata says “whoever will touch the soil of Kuruksthetra his/her all sin will be forgiven and will get to salvation” while another place it says there is no way to escape from Karma (deeds) you have done you must have to face result of it.
_________more than 95% Hindus believe in moorti puja and all those stories_____
This website in only for to bring the Hindu/Muslim people back in Sanatan Dharma/eternal religion. Many person like me are back in the ancestral religion and think there is no need to bow before kaaba stone or other stone and reciting name of human (Mohammed) while praying to God.
_________one can understand veda_______
It is tough task to know whole Veda (Universal Truths). In his holy book Shatpath Brahmin Granth Muni Yaskacharya has quoted that there was a Kashyap Rishi who studied Vedas deeply. Rishi had been experiencing unlimited peace and merriment while studying Vedas and going the deepest in every mantra. when he reached at the age of three hundred years knowing/studying Veda he prayed God that he (Rishi) is leaving Body and said the knowledge of the Vedas are eternal and unlimited.
@sanatani, why you go to picnic at those temples? to see those nude pics/idols? who are you ? are you any authority in hindu religion? why should i believe what you are believing? you havent told me what is your source that hazrat saffiyya exists even?
you peoples pick up things according to your choice, i have read sanskrit till my class 12th as third paper of hindi so i know you mistranslate veda. sa you translate GAU to cow/charity/knowledge according to your choice. it seems that till date nobody understand or able to translate veda? why iswara has given eternal knowledge in such a horrific language?
gita is a part of Mahabharata and you believe that gita is not corrupted and mahabharata is corrupted? how could you refute if i say that gita is corrupted and you peoples have changed the whole Gita? you agniveersamaji solar system worshipper do not represent Hindu religion.
anti agni you still here if you want to be a slave of allah you can be? what are you trying to prove with your nonsense? and gita is part of mahabharta they are both corrupted but gita does not say what you claim most hindus try to understand krishna through geeta as he summaries everything and is easy to understand as for saifiya you believe she existed to us it doesnt matter if she did or did not and vedas can be translated authentically but it is yet to be done many people in the past understood the true vedas and why did allah give quran is new language called arabic which belongs to the arabian pensula? sanskrit isnt for only india it belongs to all
@anti-agni
_______________why you go to picnic at those temples______________
I go to temples like lotus temple, Birla Mandir, etc. at Holiday as a pastime. Khajuraho is one of great tourist place in India. Tourist come to Khajuraho to see the great carving skill of the ancient people.
_______________are you any authority in hindu religion_________________
I believe in Dharma. There is nothing like religion, Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc. Whoever is follower Dharma is “Arya” and who is non-dharmic is “anarya”.
____________why should i believe what you are believing_________________
A saintly person can not be terrorist, rapist, looter at the same time and vice-versa. We cannot believe contradictorily. If any terrorist, rapist, looter claims himself prophet/saint he is hypocrite and fooling the people.
________why iswara has given eternal knowledge in such a horrific language________
According to Nassa, Sanskrit is such a language in which a message can be sent by the computer in the least number of words.
______you believe that gita is not corrupted and mahabharata is corrupted____
Whatever against universal truth and contradictory cannot be word of God. Geeta should interpreted in the line of Veda.
Famous praises of Gita:
For thousands of years, the Bhagavad Gita has inspired millions of readers. Here’s what some of the greats have to say in praise of this venerable scripture.
“When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous.” ~ Albert Einstein
“The Bhagavad-Gita has a profound influence on the spirit of mankind by its devotion to God which is manifested by actions.” ~ Dr. Albert Schweizer
“The Bhagavad-Gita is the most systematic statement of spiritual evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed; hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of humanity.” ~ Aldous Huxley
“The Bhagavad-Gita is a true scripture of the human race a living creation rather than a book, with a new message for every age and a new meaning for every civilization.” ~ Rishi Aurobindo
“The idea that man is like unto an inverted tree seems to have been current in by gone ages. The link with Vedic conceptions is provided by Plato in his Timaeus in which it states…” behold we are not an earthly but a heavenly plant.” ~ Carl Jung
“In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial.” ~ Henry David Thoreau
“The marvel of the Bhagavad-Gita is its truly beautiful revelation of lifes wisdom which enables philosophy to blossom into religion.” ~ Herman Hesse
“The Bhagavad-Gita calls on humanity to dedicate body, mind and soul to pure duty and not to become mental voluptuaries at the mercy of random desires and undisciplined impulses.”
“When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and I see not one ray of hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad-Gita and find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those who meditate on the Gita will derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day.”
~ Mahatma Gandhi
“The Bhagavad-Gita deals essentially with the spiritual foundation of human existence. It is a call of action to meet the obligations and duties of life; yet keeping in view the spiritual nature and grander purpose of the universe.” ~ Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
“I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad-Gita. It was the first of books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same questions which exercise us.”
“The Bhagavad-Gita is an empire of thought and in its philosophical teachings Krishna has all the attributes of the full-fledged montheistic deity and at the same time the attributes of the Upanisadic absolute.” ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
“In order to approach a creation as sublime as the Bhagavad-Gita with full understanding it is necessary to attune our soul to it.” ~ Rudolph Steiner
“From a clear knowledge of the Bhagavad-Gita all the goals of human existence become fulfilled. Bhagavad-Gita is the manifest quintessence of all the teachings of the Vedic scriptures.” ~ Adi Sankara
“The Bhagavad-Gita is not seperate from the Vaisnava philosophy and the Srimad Bhagavatam fully reveals the true import of this doctrine which is transmigation of the soul. On perusal of the first chapter of Bhagavad-Gita one may think that they are advised to engage in warfare. When the second chapter has been read it can be clearly understood that knowledge and the soul is the ultimate goal to be attained. On studying the third chapter it is apparent that acts of righteousness are also of high priority. If we continue and patiently take the time to complete the Bhagavad-Gita and try to ascertain the truth of its closing chapter we can see that the ultimate conclusion is to relinquish all the conceptualized ideas of religion which we possess and fully surrender directly unto the Supreme Lord.” ~ Swami Prabhupada
“The secret of karma yoga which is to perform actions without any fruitive desires is taught by Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita.” ~ Vivekananda
http://hinduism.about.com/od/thegita/a/famousquotes.htm
@jay. i am not here to propagate Islam, i am here because agniveersamajis abuse our prophet and Allah SWT . it increasing hatred against agniveersamajis/aryasamadhis in my heart.
i can’t tell you how much hatred i have now against aryasamadhis. after reading samhullash 14 my peeception for dayananda changed totally . you can’t understand how much we love prophet Muhammad s.a.w. if you simply ask questions then no problem. but you abuse our prophet and make a mockery on them.
iyou just visit satyagni and see first picture. a beard man spitting in a pandit’s mouth ??? Do you believe in that?
I have challenged vinay that if he has guts then abuse prophet Muhammad infront of any Muslim .
can you say anything to Sikhs ? A sikh girl has registered a case in supreme court that sikhi is not part of Hinduism. and supreme court asked attorney general about government view . do you still believe that Sikhs are following veda ?
@anti-agni
______________i am here because agniveersamajis abuse our prophet and Allah SWT_____________
Ali Sina / faithfreedom also claim Mohammed was looter, pedophilia, mass murdered rapist, Quran is not word of God but a political agenda of Arabs and Mohammed etc. etc. why not you go there and refute them & preach Islam there. Ali Sina claims even to give you 100000 US$ if he proved to be wrong and shut down his website permanently
Maulana Ajmal Qadri vs. Ali Sina
http://alisina.org/blog/2010/12/13/maulana-ajmal-qadri-vs-ali-sina/
____i can’t tell you how much hatred i have now against aryasamadhis_____
Is it More than hating to Osama Bin Laden, Ali Sina, Kasab, Afjal Guru, Pakistan etc.
______if he has guts then abuse prophet Muhammad infront of any Muslim____
I know Mohammed is above the Allah in Islam. Muslim can listen criticism of Allah but not of Mohammed.
@sanatani/agniveersamaji, ali sina is a name and he has been thoroughly refuted by many websites. you can search http://www.answering-islam.com. he may be another aryasamaji but you peoples are a cult in India and you are spreading hatred against Indian Muslim.
i am challenging you to debate me on the topic “sanatani is fool” and if you will win then i will give 1000000USD but condition is that I will be the judge of debate and iwill decide who is the winner….are you ready to accept the challenge? these things have no meanings.
“I know Mohammed is above the Allah in Islam. Muslim can listen criticism of Allah but not of Mohammed.” it is showing your mental level you always twist the words according to your choice. after reading your answers i always surprise that how foolish you peples are, can’t understand simple things.
i dont know what is your motive behind provoking muslims but it proves that you are coward can’t face any person so you satisfy yourself on internet. can you justify satyagni?
@sanatani. if alisin is performing his duty of abusing Allah and prophets very well then why agniveer and agnniveersamaji unnecessarily wasting their time and increasing hatred for themselves?
@Anti-Agni
_______you peoples are a cult_____
What is cult? How am I following a cult? How Islam is religion not cult?
______i am challenging you to debate me on the topic “sanatani is fool”___
I accept your challenge. If you prove me I am against humanity, morality, I will change my stance.
_____your motive behind provoking muslims____
I am reminding them that fight is prescribed to them by Allah. But Indian Muslim has forgot this unlike Pakistani, Iraki, Afgani Muslim.
Qur’an (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Maulana Ajmal Qadri vs. Ali Sina
http://alisina.org/blog/2010/12/13/maulana-ajmal-qadri-vs-ali-sina/
okay i see but you need to understand hindus/arya samaji attacking othe peoples beliefs or kiling people in the basis of religion is something they learnt from foreigners like muslims and christians they are learning to defend their faith and unity which they didnt do in the past and you need understand the situation of swami dayanand saraswati he was going through alot and he was angrry at christians and muslim missionaries for spreading lies and trying to convert hindus through deciet and falsehood if you muslims did not spread lies and try to convert others just to dominate we can live in peace like for many years most hindus have lived in peace with other faiths and allowed other beliefs to grow we tried not to fight on basis of religion but only injustice or other personal matters as for ali sina he has challenged muslims he and other ex muslims aswell as other non muslims talking bad about islam or going against islam have done alot more than agniveer and arya samaj have world wide why dont you refute them? you cant that is why and again answering something does not mean refuting
e don’t kiss the Kaba, we kiss the Black Stone because Prophet Muhammad did so,
Sahih al Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667: Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabia:
‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said “No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.”
We have seen from the book of Swami Sivananda that they (the idolators) believe the Idol can answer them and solve their problem, which we don’t believe and Hazrat Umar says ‘’I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm anyone’’ we don’t believe that the Black Stone has the non bestowed power to benefit or harm us otherwise IT WOULD HAVE BEEN idol worship. Is kissing an act of worship? Can Agniveer show us one verse which says kissing is an act of worship? Kissing the Black stone is not obligatory
Muslims go to Makkah to glorify God, not to kiss a stone or worship a man or a semi-divinity. Kissing or touching the Black Stone at the Ka`bah is an optional action, not obligatory or prescribed. Those who kiss the Black Stone or touch it do not do it because they have faith in the Stone or attribute any superstitious qualities to it. Their faith is in God only. They kiss, touch or point at the Stone only as a token of respect or a symbol of love for Prophet Muhammad, who laid the Stone at the foundation of the Ka`bah when it was reconstructed. (Source)
Now some Hindus would say Kissing the Black Stone was a pagan ritual, Do they have any authentic proof for this? Kissing is an act of respect, So kissing the Black Stone is also an act of respect because it was sent from Heaven[7], as we have seen above it is not obligatory to kiss the Black Stone, it’s optional, If Muslims worships the Black stone (as the Anti Muslims claims) then it would have been obligatory to kiss it physically as the Idolators adore their Idols physically. The Black Stone is a starting point for circumambulation.
We circumambulate around the Kaba because the Kaba is the Qiblah (Direction) and what is the wisdom behind circumambulation is explained here
Circumambulating the Kaaba represents the idea of oneness. Its meaning regarding the social life is not to leave unity and to try to maintain this unity. Its meaning regarding individual life contains deep truths. The sky has seven layers; man has seven souls. Each turning around the Kaaba represents a phase, a stage; man covers a phase and is elevated up to the seventh sky, above the material realm… (Source)
@sanatani. Who are you to decide the topic? can you decide the topic at alisina?
Same Quran is also saying that “woe to whom who offers Namaz ” will you also advise Muslims to abstain from Namaz offering???
If you don’t have knowledge then ask who has knowledge.
@anti-agni
Good, keep up fighting with kufrs.
_________will you also advise Muslims to abstain from Namaz offering________
Yes, I advise to Muslim abstain from Arb’s culture/rituals, stop going in mosque it will destroy Taliban and Arbi culture.
_________you don’t have knowledge__________
Quran Allah also had no knowledge
Creation of the Heaven and Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses , Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heaven was created first. Quran 2: 29 & Quran 79: 27 – 30
http://mostintolerantreligion.com/2011/09/29/quranic-errors-and-contradictions/
Egypt assembly votes for Islamic laws The Egyptian Constituent Assembly, which is mandated with writing the country’s new charter, has voted to keep Islamic principles as the main source of legislation…. ”’Islam is the state religion, and the Arabic language is its official language. The principles of Islamic sharia are the main source of legislation”‘ ”’The panel also approved a clause stating that the principles of Christian and Jewish legal traditions would guide their personal and religious affairs”’ ‘labaik ya ikhwanul muslimoon’
Let us not forget that Sanatan Dharma is a pluralistic faith, ie respects other faiths.
Tjhis website os not to discuss other faiths, but to explain Sanatan Dharma and defend against falsehoods by anti hindu muppets.
This website should not be used to insult other faiths whatever the provocation, come without hatred re read rv 10.191
@dogra : Respect has to be mutual, its not a one way. We have to understand that there ARE differences in the various systems and these differences enable a thinking and pramatic mind to logically choose the best one.If we call a banana a potato just for the sake of being politically correct or respecful then its a facade which will not last for long.
I dont know why you are equating Dharma with faith , Dharma is practice and may not be equated with faith.
Dharma has been articulated by Manu and its transliteration is here
http://agniveer.com/rama-myth-or-hero/#comment-26199
Besides RV 10.191.3 says that in a nation we should have same laws for every citizen now if some FAITH says that people shoud be differentiated between on the basis of what the follow in life i.e. differentiations like dar-ur-harab and dar-ul-islam and kafir and dimmi,Does such a faith invoke respect?
Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
The earth was created first, as mentioned in the first verse of Al-Baqarah(2):29. The first verse uses the word “Khalaqa” (created). The second set of verses only say that God “Daha” (spread out and gave features) the earth after the creation of the heavens, not that he “Khalaqa” (created) it. Please verify my claims by referring to any convenient dictionary, such as “Lisan Al-Arab.” In other words, God created the earth, created the heavens, and then gave the earth its features and spread them out. This is explained in sufficient detail by the Companion of the Prophet Ibn Abbas who’s words in this regard have been recorded in Sahih Al-Bukhari. The very verses themselves even explain it for those who would like to read the very next verse. The verses say “And the earth He “daha” after that; He extracted from its water and its fodder, and the mountains He planted firmly…” Thus, it is quite clear from the verses themselves what is meant by this word. It simply means “to spread out and give features, such as streams, mountains, plants, etc.”
It is very possible that what is meant by “spreading out and giving features” in this verse is the well known “continental drift” theory. In the early 20 th century a German meteorologist by the name of A. L. Wegener, after studying numerous scientific indications suggested that the continents had started out as a single unified continent millions of years ago when the earth was first formed. These continents then split apart, and like a giant jigsaw puzzle they moved apart to form the continents we know today as Europe, Asia, Australia, the Americas, etc. This splitting of the continents is postulated to have begun in the Mesozoic Era and is continuing in the present era.
It is interesting to note that in the Qur’an God ties the “spreading out” (Daha) of the earth with the formation and “planting” of the mountains. An issue which Wegener has confirmed and considers to be an integral part of this theory as seen above. It is also interesting that this matter is only just beginning to receive wide-spread acceptance in the scientific community in this century. One wonders, if prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not receive his message from God, then where did he get the theory that the earth was “spread out” long after its creation and that this spreading out is related to the creation of the mountains among other issues?
Further, it is also strange that in spite of the fact that the Abdullah Yusuf Ali, the Marmaduke Pickthall, and the Hilali and Khan translations of the meanings of the Qur’an all translate the second verse as “spread out” or “extended,” still, in order to generate a “contradiction” the author of this list managed to change this word to “create” in order that it might support his allegations. A strange way to ‘prove’ one’s case.
hey anti agni let me tell you that islam does not fit with logic and science at all how can the earth be created first when you say the earth and heavens was there when big bang happen when science says the earth didnt exist when the big bang happen and spread out doesnt mean contintental drifts it means flat and yes i agree the quran does not say in the order mentioned in statement but even then science goes against quran in most cases the only science i can confirm is that we came from water which was nothing new at the time the quran was revealed.
@jay. science and logic doesn’t fit to agniveersamajis and if you have any doubt then read aryasamajis comments at agniveer.
You are such a big hate monger that you. never shy on writing lies. where i have written first earth and heaven created then big bang happens????
no science and logic fits only with eastern beliefs and you said ‘The earth was created first, as mentioned in the first verse of Al-Baqarah(2):29’ i didnt say you said that and if you are correct this goes against science and the claim made by muslims about the big bang which is in reality not there
@Aryas
Scientist views always get change. You cannot judge all things in Quran from current scientist point of view. The unscientific you find today in Quran may be scientific in coming days. As earlier it was believed earth is square shaped but latter on scientist claimed earth is egg shaped. But ignorant find fault in Quran due the error science. Quran is the authority to judge the truth not science. Scientist change their views always & claims differently.
yes and quran doesnt say spherical and also spherical earth was known before the quran so its not revealed science
I just finished the Satyarth Prakash. What a excellent book I have ever Read. I request every human being please study Satyarth Prakash and make your life Happy, prosperous ans Successfull.
East or west Vedas are BEST.
wow very nice article…i really want to adopt this religion and leave islam..islam just seems very limiting and mental disease..i want to convert to vedic religion how can i go about this? somebody helpme
You need not leave any religion to adopt Vedic Religion. If you resolve to following, you are follower of this religion:
1. You shall constantly seek truth and reject falsehood to best of your intent and capability.
2. You shall love entire humanity as your own family irrespective of man made barriers like caste, region, race, color, religion.
3. You shall respect women and not consider them less than equal.
4. You shall practice self-control and stay away from vices of mind and body.
5. You shall practice monogamy and treat other women as mother.
6. You shall dedicate time and emotions to thank and think of Supreme Lord and be closer to Him.
7. You shall love your nation and strive to work for its prosperity.
8. You shall be compassionate and tolerant to all.
9. To shall constantly strive to put best of your efforts for progress of self, society, world.
10. You shall constantly seek knowledge and wisdom
To support these, you are encouraged to study the Vedas and good books to provide a conceptual framework. Please let us know if we can help you.
The first line of your answer, (You need not leave any religion to adopt Vedic Religion. If you resolve to following, you are follower of this religion)in a nutshell explains why we are the oldest surviving civilisation in this world.