(READ THIS CAREFULLY IF YOU HAVE QUERY ON HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT VEDAS ARE UNALTERABLE SINCE AGES. We are thankful to several scholars whose source we could not track but whose works were used for creation of this article.)

On how Vedas have been preserved in pristine state, here are some analytical, unbiased and objective pointers. We provide here some details on how Vedas have been preserved so purely and how its not possible to alter even a single syllable. No other text in the world can claim to have such fail-safe method of preservation.

Our forefathers devised a number of methods to preserve the unwritten Vedas in their original form, to safeguard their tonal and verbal purity.

Swara Protection of Vedas

They laid down rules to make sure that not even a syllable was changed in chanting, not even a svara was altered. In this way they ensured that the full benefits were derived from intoning the mantras. They fixed the time taken to enunciate each syllable of a word and called this unit of time or time interval “matra”.

How we must regulate our breathing to produce the desired vibration in a particular part of our body so that the sound of the syllable enunciated is produced in its pure form: this science is explained in the Vedanga called Shiksha.

If you see a Vedic mantra in the Samhita, you would find certain marks after syllables. For example see the following image:

vedas-preservation-02

 

 

 

These marks called Swara Chinha depict the method of pronunciation. These markers ensure that not even a single syllable can be altered from any Vedic mantra.

In traditional gurukuls, pupils memorize the locations of these Swaras through specific hand or head movements. Thus you would see them moving their hands or head while reciting the Vedic mantras. And if a slightest error in Swara is found in recitation, they would easily pin-point it.

Further, different gurukuls specialize in studying different Patha methods (explained after this section) would still have the same Swara system in place, thereby easily tracking accuracy of each Vedic mantra to last syllable.

 

Paatha Protection of Vedas

A remarkable method was devised to make sure that words and syllables are not altered. According to this the words of a mantra are strung together in different patterns like “vakya”, “pada”, “karma”, “jata”, “mala”, “sikha”, “rekha”, “dhvaja”, “danda”, “ratha”, “ghana”. These represent different permutations of reciting words of a Vedic Mantra.

We call some Vedic scholars “ghanapathins”, don’t we? It means they have learnt the chanting of the scripture up to the advanced stage called “ghana”. “Pathin” means one who has learnt the “patha”. When we listen to ghanapathins chant the ghana, we notice that they intone a few words of a mantra in different ways, back and forth.

It is most delightful to the ear, like nectar poured into it. The sonority natural to Vedic chanting is enhanced in ghana. Similarly, in the other methods of chanting like karma, jata, sikha, mala, and so on the intonation is nothing less than stately, indeed divine.

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The chief purpose of such methods, as already mentioned, is to ensure that not even a syllable of a mantra is altered to the slightest extent. The words are braided together, so to speak, and recited back and forth.

In “vakyapatha” and “samhitapatha” the mantras are chanted in the original (natural) order, with no special pattern adopted. In the vakyapatha some words of the mantras are joined together in what is called “sandhi”. There is sandhi in Tamil also; but in English the words are not joined together. You have many examples of sandhi in the Tevaram, Tiruvachakam, Tirukkural, Divyaprabandham and other Tamil works. Because of the sandhi the individual words are less recognisable in Sanskrit than even in Tamil.

In padapatha each word in a mantra is clearly separated from the next. It comes next to samhitapatha and after it is kramapatha. In this the first word of a mantra is joined to the second, the second to the third, the third to the fourth, and so on, until we come to the final word.

In old inscriptions in the South we find the names of some important people of the place concerned mentioned with the appellation “kramavittan” added to the names. “Kramavittan” is the Tamil form of “kramavid” in the same way as “Vedavittan” is of “Vedavid”. We learn from the inscriptions that such Vedic scholars were to be met throughout South India in past.

(Note that South India has a great contribution in preserving the Vedic traditions during a critical long era of history when North India was occupied in struggling for survival from brutal attacks of barbaric invaders and their progenies from West Asia. We find the tradition of Vedic gurukuls uninterrupted even till today.)

In jata patha, the first word of the mantra is chanted with the second, then the order is reversed-the second is chanted with the first. Then, again, the first word is chanted with the second, then the second with the third, and so on. In this way the entire mantra is chanted, going back and forth.

In shikhapatha the pattern consists of three words of a mantra, instead of the two of jata.

Ghanapatha is more difficult than these. There are four types in this method. Here also the words of a mantra are chanted back and forth and there is a system of permutation and combination in the chanting. To explain all of it would be like conducting a class of arithmetic.

We take all kinds of precautions in the laboratory, don’t we, to protect a life-saving drug? The sound of the Vedas guards the world against all ills. Our forefathers devised these methods of chanting to protect the sound of our scripture against change and distortion.

Samhitapatha and padapatha are called “prakrtipatha” (natural way of chanting) since the words are recited only once and in their natural order. The other methods belong to the “vikrtipatha” (artificial way of chanting) category. (In krama, though the words do not go in the strict natural order of one-two-three, there is no reversal of the words-the first after the second, the second after the third, and so on. So we cannot describe it fully as vikrtipatha). Leaving out krama, there are eight vikrti patterns and they are recounted in verse to be easily remembered.

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Jata mala sikha rekha dhvaja dando ratho ghanah

Ityastau-vikrtayah proktah kramapurva maharsibhih

All these different methods of chanting are meant to ensure the tonal and verbal purity of the Vedas for all time. In pada the words in their natural order, in krama two words together, in jata the words going back and forth. The words tally in all these methods of chanting and there is the assurance that the original form will not be altered.

The benefits to be derived from the different ways of chanting are given in this verse.

Samhitapathamatrena yatphalam procyate budhaih

Padu tu dvigunam vidyat krame tu ca caturgunam

Varnakrame satagunam jatayantu sahasrakam

Considering that our ancestors took so much care to make sure that the sound of the Vedas did not undergo the slightest change, it is futile for modern researchers to try to establish the date of our scriptures by finding out how the sounds of its words have changed.

What more, today different schools of Vedas exist in south who memorize vedas in different means, as explained above. And if you compare the mantras memorized by different schools, you will find variation of not a single syllable. Remember we are talking lacs of syllables!! And still no variations. Thats why even Max Muller, a bitter critic of Vedic philosophy, could also not help but state that such a foolproof method of preservation is among the greatest wonders and miracles of the world!

An example of Ghana Patha

(Reference Source: http://www.krishnamurthys.com/profvk/index.html )

This example gives a faint glimpse of how the vedas in spite of its massive content, (Rg veda and Yajur veda have 153,826 words and 109,287 words respectively) have been preserved from generation to generation though it was all done only by oral transmission.

We give below a sentence from the Yajur veda, obviously without the svaras, in its original samhita pATha form, also its pada text and then the order of the words in the ghana recital. A pundit who has learnt the Ghana recital of one complete veda (he takes thirteen years of whole time work to reach that stage) is called a ghana-pAThi.

First we give the rule for the ghana mechanics of recitation:

If the original order of words in a sentence is:

1/2/3/4/5

The ghana recital goes as follows:

12/21/123/321/123/

23/32/234/432/234/

34/43/345/543/345/

45/54/45/

5 iti 5.

Example:

samhita sentence:

eshAm purushANAm-eshAm paSUnAM mA bher-mA ro-mo eshAM kincanAmamat //

Meaning:

Oh God! Do not frighten these our men and animals, may none of these perish or lack health.

pada text:

eshAM/purushANAM/eshAM/paSUnAM/mA/bheH/mA/arah/mo-iti-mo/eshAM/

kim/chana/Amamat/Amamad-ity-Amamat/

Note: The ninth break here and the last break are the results of a technicality which you may ignore, unless you want to specialise in this art.

Now for the ghana recital(without the svaras; with the svaras it would be a delight to hear). The recital is a non-stop recital, except for a half-pause at the place shown by / . There is no break anywhere else. The hyphens shown are for requirements of those who can decipher the grammar ; they will not be reflected in the recital.

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eshAM-purushANAM-purushANAm-eshAm-eshAM purushANAm-eshAm-eshAm

purushANAm-eshAm-eshAm purushANAm-eshAM /

purushANAm-eshAm-eshAM purushANAM purushANAm-eshAM paSUnAM

paSunAm-eshAm purushANAm purushANAm-eshAM paSUnAM /

eshAM paSUnAM paSUnAm-eshAm-eshAM paSUnAm-mA mA paSUnAm-eshAm-eshAM paSUnAm-mA /

paSUnAm-mA mA paSUnAM paSUnAm-mA bher-bher-mA paSUnAM paSUnAm-mA bheH /

mA bher-bher-mAmA bher-mAmA bher-mAmA bher-mA /

bher-mAmA bher-bher-mAro aro mA bher-bhermA araH /

mA ro aro mAmA ro momo aro mA mA ro mo /

aro mo mo aro aro mo eshAm-eshAm mo aro aro mo eshAM /

mo eshAm-eshAm mo mo eshAm kim kim-eshAm-mo mo eshAm kim / mo iti mo/

eshAm kimkim-eshAmeshAM kim-cana cana kim-esham-eshaM kim-cana /

kim cana cana kim kim canAmamad-Amamat cana kim kim canAmamat /

canAmamad-Amamac-cana canAmamat /

Amamad-ityAmamat /

The significant point to note here is that in Sanskrit the order of words does not matter.

If you do it with an English sentence like:

Rama vanquished Ravana

It will go like this:

Rama vanquished vanquished Rama Rama vanquished Ravana ‘Ravana vanquished Rama’ Rama vanquished Ravana … and so on.

You can see the absurdity now. In Sanskrit this absurdity would not arise. So a ghana recitation is supposed to be equivalent to a recitation of the veda 13 times and to that extent is multifold fruitful! The 13 is because except for two beginning and two ending words in a sentence the others are repeated 13 times. (You can check it with the word paSUnAM above).

To summarize:

All the Veda Mantras have been preserved (till today) (at least three millenia according to western calculations) without ever putting them into writing. This must be considered a great lingusitic achievement of which India can be legitimately proud. The literature, which consists of diverse poetical and prose compositions were simply learnt by rote, the training being given by the teacher saying each word or combinations of words once with the proper incantations (called svaras) and the students saying it twice. They then learnt to recite it in continuous form along with the incantations. The continuous recitation of a vedic text is called samhita pAtha. The accuracy of the text is preserved by resorting to an artifice of nine different techniques or modes of recital.

The first is the pada pATha, which simply recites each word of the text separately; pada means word; pAtha means reading.The euphonic changes that occurs from the samhita pATha to the pada pATha is itself very technical (Sanskrit grammar would be crucial here) but makes sense.

In addition, there are eight other techniques of recitation, the sole purpose of each is to preserve the original samhita text without the loss or addtion of a single syllable or svara. The svaras are a significant part of the recital of the vedas, whatever be the mode. The eight modes are called:

krama, jaTa, ghana, mAlA, ratha, ShikhA, daNDa and rekhA.

In each mode the order of recital of the words is specified as a particular permutation of their original sequence.

All these elaborate and sophisticated approaches have ensured that the first texts of humanity – The Veda Samhitas – are available to us today in exactly the same pure original form.

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Madhu
Madhu
1 year 9 months ago
Dear Shri Agniveer, I was so touched when i read in your article: how our seers had found the way to preserve Veda in it’s pristine pure form. There insight and genius has no parallel! My heart is filled with enormous gratitude, love and eyes with tears. Indeed, we are… Read more »
Ram
Ram
2 years 3 months ago

Vedas are created so that a human being can understand it with the help of a true Guru. There are few real Saints who have thrown light on what do vedas say. Maybe this would be little help. I have found the answers here.
http://kripaluwisdom.blogspot.in/2011/07/aim-of-human-life.html

Santana Dharman
Santana Dharman
2 years 7 months ago

Even if a part of Vedas is lost, it will not cause any problem. We already have enough information from what is available as four Vedas. First let us apply them in our life. Then we shall go in search for extra..

K GURUPRASAD
2 years 11 months ago

Namaste Sir. Wonderful article. God Bless you. The Gayatri Ganapaath is really superb. Please see our website if you find time.

vivek
vivek
3 years 4 months ago

from where we can get the details of vanadurga kalpam – pooja padhathi of vanadurga incomplete?

krishnarao
krishnarao
3 years 5 months ago
Here is the basic conclusion I have come up with. People have to lie about the Vedas to try and convert Hindus. Why can’t they look at what Vedic people themselves are saying the Vedas say and use those arguments against them. Instead they have to lie about it. Which… Read more »
vedmitra
vedmitra
3 years 5 months ago

Apolloreach can you give your email I want to learn more from you about vedas.

Regards

Jay Arya
Jay Arya
3 years 6 months ago

nice article though

Vishwa
Vishwa
3 years 6 months ago

Dear Agniveer,

Namaste, I was reading through the comments on this article and found this link http://agniveer.com/3118/miracle-islam. But this does not work anymore. Page not found error

Jay Arya
Jay Arya
3 years 6 months ago

agniveer a muslim claims that the vedas espically by agniveer that you are selling as been changed can you respond

Sanatan Dharma
Sanatan Dharma
3 years 6 months ago
@Jay Arya We do not need to waste time in arguments with people who have no credibility. What would you be prefer indulging in arguments all the time or focus on your goal. We are to reach to our goal and such people just do aim to divert our attention.… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 6 months ago
They are not Muslims. They are fanatics. They are spreading this myth because huge number of Muslims are obtaining Vedas from us and that is causing a scare among fanatic ones. The allegations are childish. It is due to 2 extra verses in one Chapter of Yajurveda in some editions.… Read more »
Jay Arya
Jay Arya
3 years 6 months ago
i would see them as muslims and thanks for the response as these are allegations made against you not to anybody else if you dont some people may start believing in the allegations made against you that is why i was asking they have also made other allegations against you… Read more »
Aditya
Aditya
3 years 6 months ago
Brother, By any ways are you referring to that Guy from IslamHinduism youtube Video? Don’t worry I have bombarded him with a lot of Logical questions and he had to Shut off the comment Section in that Video. But Still I have explained AgniveerJi’s point to him in his channel… Read more »
Jay Arya
Jay Arya
3 years 6 months ago
yes i agree many of his articles are nonsense which can be answered but some of them like the reincarnation article,beef eating in hindu scriptures i cant answer as i dont know sanskrit neither do i have authentic translation of vedas to refute him while the rest of them are… Read more »
hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
3 years 7 months ago

a muslim fantic has tried to attack agniveer

Prasant
Prasant
3 years 10 months ago
Hello!!, I would like to know what the vedas say about:- 1) abortion 2) Homo sexuality 3) euthanasia If a direct reference cannot be found, please check if any of the above issues are in directly mentioned or discusses. The above three are issues that needs to be addressed by… Read more »
aditya
aditya
3 years 10 months ago
Dear Bro, I have copy pasted an article on Euthanasia In 1996 Australia’s Northern Territory legalized voluntary euthanasia. In January of 1997, contending forces in the U.S. pushed the issue of euthanasia all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. Advocates of doctor-assisted suicide say its purpose is to end… Read more »
gkhinduatheist
gkhinduatheist
3 years 7 months ago
“By karmic law, one who commits suicide becomes a ghost. A ghostly or astral “body” consists of mind, intelligence, and false ego. The soul living in such a subtle body keeps his personality, his desires for human relationships, and his physical desires such as thirst, hunger, and the sex drive.… Read more »
Prasant
Prasant
3 years 10 months ago

Dear Aditya,

Thanks for the reply.

Regarding abortion, what if the pregnency is the result of a rape and the lady does not want to have anything to do with it?

aditya
aditya
3 years 10 months ago

Why can’t I see any Muslim/Christian in this section. Very interesting . Maybe they knew that they would get owned if they posted a comment here. COWARDS

aditya
aditya
3 years 10 months ago
Don’t take it seriously !! I have read all the Posts in this site. I have seen muslims and Christians Actively participating in all the posts , But in this when it is proved undisputed that vedas are error free , no one comments here. I am Just making an… Read more »
hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
4 years 4 days ago

very nice muslims cant believe it

jai shankar
jai shankar
4 years 1 month ago
@darasing,kya aap bina kaan ke shabd sunenge?,bina aankh ke bahar ke objects ko dekh sakenge?bina naak ke sungh sakenge?bina jiva ke bol sakenge? Aur sabse aham baat bina mind ke drasta ya sakshi honge? Ved ka arth hi gyan hai.aur ved mantra ke drasta rishi hai.jisne bhi satya ka sakshat… Read more »
Jay
Jay
4 years 1 month ago
Agniveer please delete this post as Singh has posted the same question on several threads. Truth Seeker already provided him a link to an article you wrote on this very question on this thread http://agniveer.com/scientific-errors-in-hinduism/ So leave the question there, and please delete everywhere else. It is too ridiculous to… Read more »
saroj
saroj
11 months 30 days ago

perhaps refering to communities which are generally considered very much righteous.

hinduagnostic
hinduagnostic
4 years 2 months ago

very nice but the difference is we dont use the peservation to prove our belief true but muslima try do so they can easily be refuted

CelticDharma
CelticDharma
4 years 2 months ago

Hi Agniveer, great article, Could someone give a correct translation of RV 1.108.8 as I want to know what it says about the vedic tribes.

Anupam
Anupam
4 years 10 months ago

Absolutely magnificent. After reading such article one feels like living in pseudo world of Urban and Corporate living. I mean its quite dissatisfying to have been unknown about such science in all these years.

Thanks for the efforts from Agniveer.

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dogra
dogra
5 years 3 months ago
Hi Apollo Reach and Agniveer, Please can u translate the follwoing verses, as the anti hindu elements are quoting them as thus: “RACIAL CONFLICT between Indo iranian/ afghan aryans (Modern day kashmiris and punjabis) Invasions to afganistan and India 3000 2000BC: “Indra, the slayer of Vrittra, the destroyer of cities,… Read more »
saroj
saroj
11 months 30 days ago
to understand what is dasyus, it represents darkness. vrthra who holds all waters(that whoch sustains life,floeing knowledge erc.) is dasyu.that is why it is refererd to as dark skin(in other words,the sovering of darkness) while knowlegde,”cow”,etc are lightness. thus indra destroyning dark skin simply refers to the cover of evilness/darkness/ignorance.… Read more »
Aditya
Aditya
4 years 1 month ago
I can see a lot of misinterpretations of vedas by muslims.My point is what is muslim’s qualification in sanskrit?There are two kinds of sanskrit.One is vedic and another is classical(Mastered and pioneered by panini).The vedic sanskrit was among a few only.From the advent of classical sanskrit,it has been the official… Read more »
Apolloreach
Apolloreach
5 years 3 months ago
@ Dogra: Given that all around taqia, I hope you are a true dharmic foot soldier. If you are, great, if not, this truth is gonna burn the falsehood of the spin of ZN’s stooges. No surprises there that our ZN stooges are now talking about racism in Vedas. Let… Read more »
Slave of Allah
Slave of Allah
5 years 4 months ago

I have checked the link

http://agniveer.com/3118/miracle-islam/

where is the article?

krishna arya
5 years 4 months ago

namaste!

impressed to see your eagerness…

sorry for wrong link, actually the page has been transferred here!!

http://satyagni.com/3118/miracle-islam/

enjoy!! would wait for your comments!!

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Apolloreach
Apolloreach
5 years 6 months ago

@ Faizan, why do you lie? On the post pertaining to Origin of Vedas,on your friend’s website, the last 2 comments are mine. Please be honest with what u say.

Faizan
Faizan
5 years 6 months ago

Last comment does not means that you are right. You have not responded to his question of Rishis making up mantras.

Sameer
Sameer
5 years 6 months ago

@Faizan miyan your recently created website is full of lies it says that Zoroastrianism has come before vedas, which is simply bullshit. First you created TruthofHinduism it was brutally crushed then you come with another shit full of lies called islamhinduism.

http://www.islamhinduism.com/responses/answering-agniveer/2-vedas-are-not-eternal-a-detailed-analysis

Apolloreach
Apolloreach
5 years 6 months ago

@ Sameer, I had established with evidences that the Vedas predate Avesta and Gathas of Zorastrianism by aeons. I have not seen any response for that from Faizan’s friend for that and the other rebuttals I wrote on the post (on that site).

Sameer
Sameer
5 years 6 months ago

@Apolloreach Bro Faizan Miyan has nothing left for debate so he is using fake websites. Anyway Apolloreach Brother you are doing GREAT WORK.

Bangladeshi Hindu
5 years 6 months ago

Brother apolloreach,can you kindly write a full rebuttul to Islamic Jehadies and post it to agniveer forum? You are doing a great job. Jay Dharma.

Apolloreach
Apolloreach
5 years 6 months ago
Thanks Sameer and Bagladeshi Hindu: I will compile a set of rebuttals to the asinine charges of of those that are debasing Vedas. I have responded to some of the posts on truthofhinduism.ocm and as always you will see that they responded like kids or have not reverted at all.… Read more »
Sameer
Sameer
5 years 5 months ago

ADITI BANERJEE EXPOSED WENDY DONIGER IN HER ARTICLE IN OUTLOOK.
This rebuttal was against Wendy Doniger’s interview in outlook, where she criticized Hinduism. She was also exposed by American media when she lied against SARAH PALIN.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262511

KUDOS TO ADITI BANERJEE

Apolloreach
Apolloreach
5 years 6 months ago
@ Faizan, I told you. I have already punched a gaping hole on the article you pointed. Your friend,based on Nirukt 7:8 made a claim that unlike what is mentioned in Nirukt, there is no verse in the entire Rig Veda that praised Agni & Vishu jointly. Here is what… Read more »
Faizan
Faizan
5 years 6 months ago
Brother Mushafiq has responded to your comment. @Apolloreach Brother, thanks for commenting. I think you misunderstood this point. May be my choice of words was not that good. That is why I decided to correct this point and explain it in details lest someone else misunderstands like you. What is… Read more »
Apolloreach
Apolloreach
5 years 6 months ago
@ Fauzan: Game over… ———————— Mushafiq, Hmmm, it is getting interesting. So, you have come up with a modified premise,based on my response. No problem,Sir. Let me first address what Nirukta 7:8 says and MAY BE you misunderstood it. I am quoting Nirukta 7:8 VERBATIM. ” There is a joint… Read more »
Faizan
Faizan
5 years 6 months ago
Brother Mushafiq has responded to your comment. It is game over for you i think. In Nirukt 7:9 the verse that quoted is NOT an example of joint oblation, for your kind information. Towards the end of 7:8, Yaska clearly says that “With regard to this, the following stanza is… Read more »
Naveen
Naveen
5 years 2 months ago
(contd) 3. Different verses of Krishna and Shukla Yajurveda……. This question is totally baseless and invalid, as the author of the question is trying to compare two different Things……as i have mentioned in my reply to 2 issue, Yajurved is partitioned in two parts, Krishna Yajurved and Shukla Yajurved, both… Read more »
Naveen
Naveen
5 years 2 months ago
Namaskar Everyone, this is my first comment on this wonderful and knowledgeable site…… I have never seen the people as confused as Muslims…!hehehehe and Islam & Hinduism Initiative is merely created to confuse the common mass…. though i m not familiar with Vedas to the extent as Agniveerji, Appoloreach and… Read more »
Apolloreach
Apolloreach
5 years 6 months ago

Faizan, he he…pls don’t try to claim a fake victory and run away. Please see my responses on that site…

Apolloreach
Apolloreach
5 years 6 months ago
@ Faizan: Your friend on the website you quoted has trouble understanding that Prajapati,Skhamba & the Great Being are all one and the same (his post – Origin of Vedas). I have also deconstructed his whole premise on his blog on eternity of Vedas. So, his post on Vedas and… Read more »
faizan
faizan
5 years 6 months ago

@ Apolloreach
I saw the comments. he has responded to ur comments and u have not responded to his proof that rishis made up the mantras. u r silent there.

sarang
sarang
5 years 6 months ago
Pre-Islamic Arabic poetry clearly talks about Vedas. Here is poetry by an ancient Arabic poetry by Labi- Bin-E- Akhtab-Bin-E- Turfa with English Translation (Poetry in red, translation in bold black): [Taken from “Vedic History of Pre- Islamic Mecca” by Shrimati Aditi Chaturvedi] “Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha minar HIND-e Wa… Read more »
faizan
faizan
5 years 6 months ago

A SPECIAL GIFT TO YOU ALL.

Textual Corruption of the Vedas
http://www.islamhinduism.com/hinduism/analysis/61-textual-corruption-of-the-vedas

Mani
Mani
1 month 13 days ago

Plz read islam watch.org and faithfreedom .org to get your gift

sam
sam
1 month 13 days ago

i have already reverted on this artical ..this site owner name is muriq sultan who is kasmiri mullah……

Vajra
Vajra
5 years 6 months ago

Namaste Faizan

And this one for you

http://agniveer.com/3118/miracle-islam/

Faizan
Faizan
5 years 6 months ago
@Vajra That website is a response website started only 3 months back. Slowly he will refute all your articles. But why are you helpless to refute his exposing of Vedas? can you answer this question which he asks in his article? Comparing the Yajurveda of Gayatri Parivar and Arya Samaj,… Read more »
Mani
Mani
1 month 13 days ago

If some mantras are missing then that is because of butcher come to India as !mugal with taking training from Muhammed in rape and killing and they have destroyed many scripture of hindus…what had destroyed is not questionable…what ugly thing Quran had is questionable.

Mani
Mani
1 month 13 days ago

Go and read the quran many of miracle of Quran are simply a joke…read web site faithfreedom.org and islam watch.org. there ex muslim themselves are laughing at Quran, Muhammed and islam .go and discuss with them if you have guts…

amer
5 years 7 months ago

vedas are false books and corrupted laws of hinduisim how can you identified that they are protected give me proof

sam
sam
1 month 13 days ago

who told you amer santana laws are corrupted ..do’t do the taqqiya … as per islamic laws you can marry with 9 years old girl its law ..according to you its sunnah according muslim preachers ..

Islam=Bull shit
Islam=Bull shit
5 years 6 months ago
Give me proof that Quran is not corrupted lol..Vedas are not corrupted read this site properly to know why vedas have not been corrupted.Just because Quran says it is protected from corruption doesn’t mean that it is free of corruption moron.Your Muslim logic is laughable even for a 3 year… Read more »
deobrata gyaneshwar
deobrata gyaneshwar
5 years 7 months ago

“Why Vedas cannot be changed!” please post this topic in hindi also.

sarang
sarang
5 years 7 months ago

http://
wiki.ironchariots.org/
index.php?
title=Argument_from_
justice

sarang
sarang
5 years 7 months ago

http://
wiki.ironchariots.org/
index.php?title=Moral_
argument

sarang
sarang
5 years 7 months ago
namaste brother vajra. I am vedic. Regular reader of agniveer.spreading ur message..when i talked this to some atheists, they wont believe me. When i takd about srirama, they say 18 lakh years ago, human was not even evolved.also that 2 billion yrs ago even life was primitive. they show some… Read more »
peacelover
peacelover
5 years 3 months ago

Hi sarang,
This book might throw some light on evidence of ancient civilization
http://www.forbiddenarcheology.com/

Cheers

Vajra
Vajra
5 years 7 months ago
Brother sarang You cant debate with an atheist on the facts of Ramayan or Mahabharat. You must be logical to counter his arguments. First understand yourself why God is necessary? Convince yourself logically and then debate with others. You can direct anyone to this site for any discussion. I recommend… Read more »
krishna
5 years 7 months ago
darwin theory is wrong….There is no need to be any specialist …..our hand cannot become feathers..only special physical features can be passed …total change cannot happen….Change of hands to feathers didnot happen suddenly …They say slowly…..So suppose our hand becomes half feather and half hand, can you imagine that such… Read more »
sarang
sarang
5 years 7 months ago

vedas 1.97 billion years old? Life was just eukaryotes at that time.realy difficult to make one believe this.

Vajra
Vajra
5 years 7 months ago
Namaste Brother sarang No need to blindly believe in any number. BTW, what are your beliefs? Do you believe in God, souls, Vedas etc? Please clarify your stand before going into further discussion. Let us know about your philosophy too so that comparative discussion can take place which is essential… Read more »
sarang
sarang
5 years 7 months ago

brother vajra,
namaste..cloning of Dolly…creation of new soul? Pls explain

Vajra
Vajra
5 years 7 months ago
Namaste Brother Sarang Cloning does not reflect creation of new soul. Actually souls exist always and are sent to the places/Yonis where they could get best environment subjected to their past Karma in their journey to Moksha. Eeshvar manages this complex mechanism. When at any place, the surroundings are started… Read more »
Mahmoud
Mahmoud
5 years 7 months ago
Responding to http://agniveer.com/3149/id-mubarak/ “””This clearly shows that Allah does not ask for animal-killing. Wherever animal-sacrifice is mentioned, it simply means using animals for good purpose and caring for them.”””””” Scarifying goats is mentioned in Quran And why should you not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has… Read more »
Mani
Mani
1 month 13 days ago

Vajra is wasting is time with a fool follower of a fool religion with a psycho founder…what used to rape nine year child and his daughter in law

Vajra
Vajra
5 years 7 months ago
Mahmoud Probably you missed the crux of the article. The article clearly mentions that the original message of true Quran is no more available to us and whatever we see today in the name of Quran is a fake one. So all verses you listed are from fake Quran. The… Read more »
Mahmoud
Mahmoud
5 years 7 months ago
“””””””The article clearly mentions that the original message of true Quran is no more available to us and whatever we see today in the name of Quran is a fake one””””””””””” Hey bro , i answered this many times . The Quran is collected by zaid bin thabit and many… Read more »
Mani
Mani
1 month 13 days ago

You don’t need to tell it many time…because if Allah choose a psycho to write Quran…Allah is himself questionable…a psycho that rape a nine year child and his daughter in law

sam
sam
1 month 13 days ago

only zakat for muslim not for non mulim ..wts benefit if non body can take the profit of this type daan …

Vajra
Vajra
5 years 7 months ago
Mahmoud Please visit http://agniveer.com/3118/miracle-islam and debate there regarding preservation of Quran. Can you tell me where are the original copies of “divine” revelations Torah, Jabur etc kept? Do you have the archeological proofs for those? Will you conclude that those never existed? Can you give me proofs of Adam, Eve,… Read more »
Dr. O. P. Sudrania
3 years 10 months ago

You have hit him hard to disappear for good.

SriGuru
SriGuru
5 years 10 months ago
@Vik THE SCUM BAG OF THE PLANET, the LONELY FOOL Well don’t listen to anyone, YOU RASCAL. Listen to ur innermost urges and well hang urself. YOU DO NOT DESERVE ANY VEDIC KNOWLEDGE – SO GO DOODLE AND RATTLE MORE OF YOUR NON-SENSE. YOU HAVE NOT READ THE VEDAS. THE… Read more »
ISCKON is an Islamic Cult
ISCKON is an Islamic Cult
5 years 3 months ago
Dear Sri Guru We know all about your fake organization called ISCKON and its pedophilia followers. The sort of nonsense that you espouse and what all are you preach. You can take all your Puranas and throw them into the nearest dustbin. While you are at it, add your second… Read more »
Mani
Mani
1 month 13 days ago
To learn what…how Muhammed use to rape nine year child or his daughter in law..or war victims…what do you what world to know while reading gutter religion book Quran…whose founder is himself baba asha Ram babu…your prophet in this new century..why you want the world to read the rape and… Read more »
Akhila
5 years 3 months ago
@ ISCKON is an Islamic Cult says: Dear Islamic is a cult and so as Christianity.. Lots of hatred, negativity about women, slavery, sexual relation with mother, sister, daughter, daughter in laws… All sort of activities are allowed in Koran and Bible which are condemned by Vedas and condemned by… Read more »
Vik
Vik
5 years 10 months ago

@Everybody

I would request all my brothers and sisters on this forum to kindly ignore this idiot, when you teach a fool four words of english, this is how they react.

SriGuru
5 years 10 months ago

Eternal Fools LIKE VIK on this forum “rush in where followers of VEDAS fear to TREAD”

SriGuru
5 years 10 months ago

good luck, eternal idiot VIK

roger
roger
5 years 10 months ago

@SriGuru
Well, readers can decide by the language that who do not have samskaars and who is real SCUM BAG OF THE GALAXY.

Amitesh
Amitesh
5 years 10 months ago

Brother SriGuru,

Kindly refrain from showing you deep inhibited Samskaars on a vedic forum like this. You should understand the difference between speaking at your home and that at a public forum like this .

Dhanyawaad

Hope you will co-operate

SriGuru
5 years 10 months ago
VIK you IGNORANT, PATHETIC, SELF-INDUCED, VILE MORON – READ the VEDAS first before you comment – You will be boiled in your own oil – DON’T DOODLE LIKE A MLECCHA. HANG UP AND DON’T COMMENT – YOU WILL EXIST IN YOUR OCEAN OF NON-BHAKTI YOU AND YOUR PATHETIC SLUR ON… Read more »
Vik
Vik
5 years 10 months ago

@SriGuru

your language and manners show the reality of your sick character, why should I rely on Vedic knowledge from some mannerless idiot like you???

SriGuru
3 years 8 months ago
Hare Vasudeva! All glories to Guru and Bhagavan Sri Hari Amitesh, Thanks for responding correctly. Vik’s arrogance and ego came to the fore. He has no clear Vedic knowledge. I have no association with ISKCON or Hare Krsnas. They however, present the *largest and most comprehensive spiritual database* on the… Read more »
SriGuru
5 years 10 months ago
ISLAMIC TREASURE : If Arya Samaj represents the Truth; then why are you not following them? Why do you use them as a reference to bash somebody else to promote yours? Be truthful, respect all spiritual systems. That way, you will feel elevated within your system. The Vedas are eternal,… Read more »
Vik
Vik
5 years 10 months ago
@SriGuru which ignorant selfish person on earth, told you that Bhavishya Puran is a part of Vedas??????? None of the Purans are parts of Vedas, they are simply separate pieces of work that are fabricated and should be trashed on parts in which they oppose Vedic teachings. And of course,… Read more »
Indian
Indian
2 years 8 months ago
Because Bhavishya purana tells about Queen Elizabeth in the 19th century, that doesn’t make it fake. The name of the purana itself means that it predicts future. If Nostradamus predicts Hitler that doesn’t mean Nostradamus wrote his predictions during the time of Hitler and Nostradamus predictions are fabricated. Same with… Read more »
SriGuru
5 years 10 months ago
Hare Krsna! All glories to Guru and SriHari. This is SriGuru, please accept my dandavats. Nice forum and a good opportunity to express. Thanks to the guys who made this site possible. Vedic culture begins with properly addressing oneself and always dedicating actions to the Supreme Purusha. This is Karma-Yoga,… Read more »
t v rao
t v rao
5 years 10 months ago

this article is very informative and educative. the audio/video presentations are very good and feel to have them ringing in the home 24 hours. how can we have these files downloaded to pc for offline playing? i will be greatful if they can be sent through email.

Agniveer
5 years 10 months ago

You can download videos from keepvid.com by entering the url of the video. To know the url, go to end of the video. You would find url link on top right.

The gayatri ghanapatha can be downloaded from http://www.kadoo.com/en/download/12956531-72a

srinivasan subramanian
srinivasan subramanian
5 years 10 months ago
Am i prepared for this abundance, i remember a dialogue from a movie batman, wherein the villain joker will say that he is like a dog which chases cars, but don’t know ,what to do, when catches one. I sincerely question myself, whether can i manage/ handle this truth. i… Read more »
V.P.Bhatia
5 years 10 months ago

Wxcellent,indeed. I do hope that the traditional reciting of the Vedas have since been audio-saved as well for posterity by certain selected Vedic Centres/Gurukuls as well.

Vedprakash
http://www.ethicalvaluesinvedas.blogspot.com

Theist Agnostic
Theist Agnostic
5 years 10 months ago
Nice artical indeed. Personally, I think this is the better use of your energy than writting about how Islam is A piece of shit. One question- some of us ( e.g. Gita press gorakhpur) claim that a big portion of Veda was lost. For this reason, as I was told… Read more »
Agniveer
5 years 10 months ago
1. No mantra of Vedas has been lost. 2. The branches refer to certain derivatives from original Mantra compilations to simplify as per prevailing styles of language or focus of society. They were created to spread the knowledge of Vedas far and wide. But the original Mantra compilations remain intact… Read more »
Aditya
Aditya
3 years 5 months ago

Agniveer Ji,
I would’t agree with your view because recently a portion of Yajur veda was re-discovered in Orissa.
Can you explain why do you say that the vedas are not lost?

Jay Arya
Jay Arya
3 years 5 months ago

if they found in 2008 why doesn’t anybody know about it? finding a yajur veda does not mean vedas are lost it is probably just another copy and branches does not mean vedas are lost they are not vedas

Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago

Branches are not Vedas. They are explanations. Original Vedas remain as they are. Branches keep being created and destroyed.

Aditya
Aditya
3 years 5 months ago
Respected Jay Aryaji, We don’t know about it. Only vedic and sanskrit scholars who are working on it know about. The reason I came to know about it is because My friend’s Guru’s Colleague is on the team which is working on interpreting the vedas. There is a team which… Read more »
Agniveer Agni
3 years 5 months ago

To agree or disagree is your personal choice. We don’t base our stand on childish news claims.

Aditya
Aditya
3 years 5 months ago
No, Agniveer Ji. A part of the yajur vedas was recovered from Orissa in 2008. It was in palm leaves. Many vedic scholars and Sanskrit scholars are working on it. This has not yet gone public as they are converting it into digital form and they are interpreting its meaning.… Read more »
Islam Is Great
Islam Is Great
5 years 10 months ago

WHAT ABOUT 99 PERCENT VED LOST

Vajra
Vajra
5 years 10 months ago
IIG That was never lost. Because if they are no longer available, how do you know that it was 99 percent and not 98 or 97 or ….??? But I will not let you go empty handed on lost issue, I will inform you about a lost book definitely. You… Read more »
Vajra
Vajra
5 years 10 months ago
Theist Agnostic Neither the chant tradition nor the Mantras were lost. It was in fact brain of some greedy people which was lost that they restricted Vedas to only few people of the society. Eeshvar will never forgive those devils. With this unique technology of preserving Mantras, no question can… Read more »
Theist Agnostic
Theist Agnostic
5 years 7 months ago
No one will ever be able to convince you that Darwin was right about evlutionary process (hint: your discussion below with sarang). Similary, no matter what we say about Islam, Muslims will not belive it. My approach is to help them ask questions. Read the Quaran and anyone will find… Read more »
Vivek Bhaarteeya
Vivek Bhaarteeya
5 years 10 months ago

Is there any book that explains all the paatha vidhis of vedas in detail? If yes please let me know how I can get that.
with regards
Vivek Bhaarteeya

Mandar
Mandar
5 years 6 months ago

In Pune Maharashtra you can find ved – shala where students can learn vedaas.

भगवान सिंह सुगरा
भगवान सिंह सुगरा
5 years 10 months ago

अग्निवीर; तुम इस युग के युधवीर हो, हम तुम्हारे ऋणी हैं और हमेशा रहेंगे. कृपया ऐसे हमारा मार्गदर्शन करते रहिये.
बहुत बहुत धन्यवाद..!!!

Sanjay
Sanjay
5 years 10 months ago
It is said that Chanyaka use the Vedic knowledge. Chanyaka understood practical meaning of a section of the Vedas from which he used to unite the entire India. So apart from chanting is there anyone that are education today is by the Vedas. The Vedas were in the past the… Read more »
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